Boots on the Ground with The Cryptid Huntress - True Paranormal Investigations

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You're listening to Everything Out There with your host, Steve Stockton.
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Hello, friends. Hello, hello, and welcome back. Steve Stockton here
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with you on Everything Out There on the Clyde Lewis
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Ground Zero Radio Network. Thanks for joining me tonight. I'm
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very happy to have a special guest, the cryptid huntress.
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jessica jones you probably know her from her youtube channel
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jessica come on in here how you doing.
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Hey steve i'm doing so good tonight thanks for having
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me on glad to.
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Have you here i was on your show just uh
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i guess it's been a couple weeks ago now time's
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flying i just uh got this baby on the way
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and i've got baby brain he's gonna be here from
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the the time that this is being recorded two weeks
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and five days so it's uh i remember when it
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was 40 weeks we figured out um January 1st that
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we were expecting. And we're thinking, wow, 40 weeks, that's
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a long time. And here it is. You know, it's
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almost here. I've been doing this show 47 weeks. So
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that gives you some idea.
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But anyway, I'm so excited for you.
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Yeah. Oh, you wouldn't believe this place. It looks like
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baby warehouse in here. He's already got more stuff than
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I do. But for the people that don't know, you know,
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I'll have links to your show in the show notes.
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But let everybody know who you are, what you're all about.
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Just give us a bio there, if you would, Jessica.
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Well, I am Jessica Jones. I am also known as
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the Cryptid Huntress. And that's because I've had some shows
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on YouTube and online. I was a host at Space.Radio
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for some time. And I have my own channel where
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I talk about cryptids. But that's only because I am
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a longtime Bigfoot field researcher. I actually am a paranormal investigator,
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a field researcher of all things cryptid and paranormal research.
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I'm based out of Georgia. So I do investigations all
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over the southeast. And actually, I've been all over the
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country doing big footing. I work with people from all
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over the country. We go out there in undisclosed locations.
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I don't ever give our locations away because we're doing
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ongoing research at all these places. But all the spots
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that we research are paranormal, super spots, super paranormal hot spots,
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areas of high strangeness, comparable to that of Skinwalker Ranch.
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Every single one of those places, we've had everything from
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lots of Bigfoot activity up in the North Georgia mountains
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to dogman tracking. I go out with a, I'm on
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a brand new team called Cryptid Warfare Operators. And we've
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been going out to Alabama and Tennessee doing some dogman
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hunts and skinwalker caves.
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Okay.
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I've been, I've been investigating, investigating skinwalker caves this past year.
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It's exciting. It's fun. It's dangerous. It is an adventure game.
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And I love it. I wouldn't change it. But I'm
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able to go and talk about a lot of my
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adventures on my channel, The Cryptid Huntress. And I get
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to interview people from all over the world on their
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cryptid investigations and their research, too. So I am just
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living it up. I'm having the best time doing it.
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And here I am tonight with you, Steve.
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Yeah, and I appreciate you coming on. That's quite a
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resume there. And I love a lot of the stuff
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that you're into. Now, you mentioned Skinwalkers. I was in.
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Thing with uh seth breedlove did you have you ever
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had him on or interviewed him or anything not yet
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small town monsters um he's a documentary video maker and
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i was in a video that just came out a
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little while back called uh uh the skinwalkers american werewolves
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2 and this was when i lived out in the
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high desert new mexico they came out there and interviewed
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me that was a lot of fun i found out
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a lot more about skinwalkers and stuff than i knew
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What have you found out about them? What's your take
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on the skinwalker?
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Well, I had never investigated skinwalkers before. And I've done
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a lot of investigating, lots of boots on the ground
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research in all my years. I started doing this around 2011.
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And I'm on four different research teams now. I didn't
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know what to make of skinwalkers. I mean, I've actually
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done several shows on skinwalkers. I've done a lot of
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research on them. But I'd never had up close and
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personal any kind of contact with a skinwalker before. I'm
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not sure if I did, actually. There was one incident.
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I did take a camping trip many years ago up
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to around Cherokee, North Carolina. And I did a camp
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out with two elders of the Cherokee, Cherokee elders. One
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was a fellow named Chief David, who was a good
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friend of mine. He took us up to the top
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of a mountain and walked. we spent the weekend up there,
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me and my cousin and his fiance at the time.
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And we, we just went out there to go have
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fun and look at the spaceships over cashers and to
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see what happened. And we, we, to see what would happen,
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you know, as far as the UFOs coming in and stuff.
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And he told me there was some Bigfoot activity in
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the area area. And there's another gentleman with this name, Will.
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And Will was a medicine man. They're both medicine men.
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They're both, you know, Will, Will's a medicine man, a
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shaman and, He started talking to me about skinwalkers and
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how he could actually turn me into a skinwalker if
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I wanted. And I'm pretty sure he was kidding around
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with me, but he was being serious.
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I hope so, but yikes.
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Yeah. He told me, he said, I could turn you
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into a skinwalker. You don't want to, but I could.
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And at some point in the night, We were having
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a pretty good time. We were having a lot of
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paranormal strange activity was going on around the camp. We
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were hearing noises coming from the bottom of the mountain.
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And David kept telling us, you know, that's that family
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of Bigfoot that live down there. And I'd already been
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taken all over the reservation to, Will actually showed us
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where all of the Bigfoot sightings had been. Because he's
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the person that everybody there calls whenever there's a Bigfoot sighting.
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So he went and we drove all over the place
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and he showed us every single location where Bigfoot sightings
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had been, explained them to us. We even went to
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Judicola Rock, okay, that day. It was amazing.
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I made a video on 13 Past Midnight about Judicola
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Rock and the legend about the giant scratching all that
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in there with his finger. Last time I was there,
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now it's been years and years ago, they had a
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boardwalk there around it, but there was beer cans and
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people climbing on it. and all kinds of things. You've
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probably been there since I have. Is it still kind
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of in a state of disrepair or did they kind
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of go about protecting it and restoring it a little bit?
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I haven't been there in at least 12 years, probably.
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It's probably been about 12 years.
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You've been there since I have then. It's probably been
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closer to 20 since I've been there. Okay.
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Well, it was, it was actually nice and clean. They
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did make a boardwalk around it, kind of, but I
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don't know if the total boardwalk was around it, but
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we were able to go right up to it and, and,
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We were right there on it. It was beautiful.
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There's people like letting their kids climb on it and stuff.
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Yeah. It's a petroglyph, man.
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Chalk type stone or something. And that's not going to
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last forever. So I don't think they ought to, I
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don't know, be a little more vigilant with letting people
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climb on it and stuff. But anyway, I digress. I'm sorry.
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Go ahead. Well, there are rules against it. You're not
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supposed to do that.
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You're not supposed to do it. I have an up
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close picture of me on it. I'm kind of leaning
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up against it a little bit. And back then, there
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weren't any signs that said to stay off of it.
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And so do not do as I did, anybody, if
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you go to Judicola. But we had, okay, so we
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went to Judicola. By the way, there's a story of,
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for the people who are listening who aren't familiar, there's
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a story of Sukalu who guarded Judicola Rock, or Judicola.
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And it was a giant, I believe it was probably
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like a Sasquatch, but it was a giant that lived
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there that would fight the cherokee warriors that would come
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out there the hunters uh that tried to get anywhere
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near this big rock that has it's got a pet
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it's a big petroglyph a bunch of petroglyphs all over
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it and um and so anyways it's a long story
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but uh look up judicola rock if you get a
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chance in sukalu so we were up at this mountain
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and it got it was getting kind of late and
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will stands up and looks right behind me and starts
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yelling in this old like ancient dialect of cherokee That
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no one even speaks anymore. He might be one of
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the only people that even speaks it. And he starts
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yelling at somebody behind me or something. And he was
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very forceful in the way he was talking. And, you know,
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of course, yes, it could have been him just trying
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to scare the pants off of me. But I didn't
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take it like that. I felt like there was something
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behind me. Because I'd been seeing something circling the camp
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all night. It looked like a shadow figure. But he
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said that there was something. A skinwalker, basically. He told
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me after he banished it and told to get out
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of there. He said, well, that that was a skinwalker.
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And I told him to get out of here. And
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of course, like 30 minutes later, they get in their
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truck and they leave and leave me up there with
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my cousin by ourselves to fend for ourselves all night
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with the skinwalker right there behind us in the camp.
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So to this day, I'm not positive if it was
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a real skinwalker or not, but he it seemed very real,
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especially to him. So I can't say that I have not,
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I had never encountered a skin wire because there's a
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chance that I did. But I got a call from
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a lady named Farrah who knew that I do Bigfoot investigations.
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And she and her husband had just bought a home
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up in Tennessee. And she and her husband bought this
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cabin sight unseen, just bought it. And it sits on
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500 acres of land. And the land ended up being
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on Choctaw land. Native American Choctaw. And it turns out
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she knew that there was a cave on her property,
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but I don't think she realized this cave was 30 feet.
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The entrance of this cave was 30 feet from her
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back door. And there were multiple cave entrances in her
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backyard right behind her house. Well, she came in, they
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moved in. They had a bunch of chickens, beautiful chickens
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that they put in a chicken coop right by the
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entrance of that cave. by the way. And at some point,
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you know, they started getting a lot of weird activity
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as soon as they moved in. She was really scared.
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She was pretty scared of that cave. She said that
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it was really eerie. She would put recorders, recording devices
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in the mouth, like the opening of that cave, because
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she just kept getting a horrible feeling about it. And
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she would put these recorders up, especially at night, and
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she'd go and check the recorders later. And there would
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be voices of people screaming and talking inside those caves.
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or in the one cave, which it had a bunch
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of caverns and offshoots and stuff when you went inside
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of it. And this was a pretty big opening. When
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you went inside of it, it got even bigger. So
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not only were they having some kind of strange activity
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around this cave, but they had cameras set up all
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around the corners of this cabin. And they would pick
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up dark figures, you know, things that look kind of
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like a Sasquatch, potentially like dogmen activity. She was having
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orbs in her house. And at night, their bed would
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start shaking as though there was something underneath their house.
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I'm not going to say there's a deep underground military base,
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but there might have been some sort of facility or
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some kind of train system running underneath her house. So
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it all came to a head one day or one night.
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One morning, actually, they woke up and one of their
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chickens was missing. Something had actually gone to the cage
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and opened up the door and taken a chicken and
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And these are her pets, her babies. And so she
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was really upset about it. And not too soon after that,
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another chicken went missing. And she came out there one
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morning and there was a stick stuck into the back
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of the cage. Like something had taken a stick and
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kind of shooed the chickens over to the front of
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the coop and opened up the door and took a chicken.
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And now the only thing that was left were a
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big pile of feathers inside the chicken coop. And then
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there was a trail of feathers going up to the
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cave entrance. And there was a gigantic footprint, a barefoot,
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it looked like a human footprint, but gigantic, right there
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beside the chicken coop. So she called us up. She
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called me and my friend Drew, who is also a
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cryptid field investigator. And she asked if we'd be interested
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in coming up and doing some investigation. She said, I've
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had all I can take. They're taking my babies. They're
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taking my chickens. And there's no sign of, you know,
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if it was a big cougar, you know, Tennessee is
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known for their big cats. It's known for, you know,
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a lot of big animals. But this area was known for,
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I mean, the neighbors had actually moved out suddenly one
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night because they had seen a big hulking figure, a
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black shadowy figure in the field behind their house. Now,
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was it a Sasquatch? Could it have been a dogman? Absolutely.
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We don't know, though. We don't know for sure. So
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we decided, well, let's go out there and help Farrah.
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It'd be a fun trip to get to go investigate
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some cryptids. And then she hit us with, well, the
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information came out. She had gone to, I think she
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went to the courthouse or somewhere and got some information
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about the property because she was not really aware of
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all this property, like what the history was behind it.
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But she knew there was some rich history because it
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was definitely on some Native American land. And she found
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out that Her house actually sat on the Choctaw land
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where in that area at some point there had been
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a problem with skinwalkers. And a Choctaw shaman, a medicine man,
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had actually banished multiple skinwalkers to that cave right at
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her back door and sealed the cave spiritually and energetically.
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Now there was no rock over the entrance. There was
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nothing stopping anything from going in. or going out. However,
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you know, there were, but they were supposed to be
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sealed inside this cave. And that, that was what she
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was told. So that just made, obviously she got panicked
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quite a bit about that. And, but I think it
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kind of might've explained why she was having so much activity. Well,
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when I got word that there were actual skinwalkers in
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this cave, I knew that that's something that I had
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not dealt with before. And as a crypto field researcher,
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we need to be prepared for anything. Okay. Hope for
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the best, but expect the worst. And so what I
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had to do was I, I consulted with a very
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good friend of mine named William, William Nighthawk called him
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and a message with him and asked him, you know,
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told him what was going on. And I said, you know, what,
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what do I need to do? Is this even possible?
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something that I should be messing with. Of course it wasn't.
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That's not something I should be messing with. But I'm
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there to help. Anything I can do to go help,
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you know, the point of the trip was to go
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scout it out, explore it, see what's going on there,
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and then we'll go from there. And so my friend
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gave me some really good information about what to do
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to protect myself, my team, what to do as far as,
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you know, I do, I will admit, I do carry weapons. Okay,
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I am The kind of lady that goes into the
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woods never unarmed. And so, but we were given basically
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instructions on what to do if we, when and if
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we do encounter skinwalkers or any kind of, even like
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pill crawlers too. And it, I can't, I can't give
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out the exact information publicly, but I can tell you
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it was very similar to hunting vampires, which made it
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even more exciting and creepy.
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Because Oh, wow. Yeah. That's, that's something else. I'm imagining
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silver bullets and things like that. I won't push into
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that corner, but we'll let the audience conjure up their
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own idea there. Oh yeah.
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So, and a lot of, a lot of blessings and stuff.
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I mean, it's a very spirit. I mean, we went
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into spiritual battle. So the things that we are hunting,
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the things that we are looking for, the things that
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we are encountering are not just in this 3d reality.
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We're dealing with things on a spiritual level as well.
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And that's with all the cryptids. Okay, that's anything we're
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going out there to go look for. It's not just
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in this physical. And that's why when people say, oh,
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they want to, some people like to argue like, oh,
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Bigfoot's just flesh and bone, flesh and blood. Well, yeah,
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it is. And humans are just flesh and blood too, right? Well, no,
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we actually have supernatural abilities. So do Bigfoots. So do dogmen.
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So does anything we're out there investigating. There's, there's always another,
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there's a spiritual element to just about everything out there.
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And so we have to be ready for that. So,
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so we agree.
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I agree. Absolutely. Oh yeah.
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So, so we geared up. Okay. We had a team
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with us. We, we had a full team of some
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of the guys. This was the first time I'd ever
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actually gone out with most of those guys to do
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an investigation. And it was, it was a very thorough investigation.
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These guys are actual, you know, retired military guys. A
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lot of them bounty hunters, former, you know, our, Army guys, Marines.
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We were ready to rock, okay, when we got there.
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And we did some investigating. And, you know, Steve, it
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was the oddest thing. When we got there, you know,
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I'm trained extensively in tracking, human tracking, animal tracking. So
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are all the guys that were there. We got up
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to this cave and we expected to see prints, footprints
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of some kind, some kind of track lines, you know,
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because these chickens are being taken. There's a line of
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feathers going up into these caves. You expect to see footprints. Human, animal, Bigfoot, whatever.
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Just something. And we got up to this cave. And
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it was almost like as soon as you walked into this,
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the entrance of that cave, it was like walking into
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another world. It was literally like we walked through a portal.
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And as we got up to this cave, we were
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looking around. We were checking for sign of any kind
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of animals. cats, you know, anything. There was nothing. There
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was nothing. The floor of that cave was pure mud
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with zero tracks, no humans, no sneaker prints, no barefoot prints,
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no nothing. So whatever was going in, whatever was taking
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her chickens, either it was leaving out somewhere else or
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climbing a wall as soon as it got in there,
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or maybe it was going through a portal or something.
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I don't know. I don't know, but we got back
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in that cave pretty far. There were actually two different
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caves that we researched while we were out there. The
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guys went into another cave across the way, across the
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road that connects to that cave on her property. And
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they did actually, you know, Steve, they always say don't
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whistle out in the woods. Don't whistle. Well, guess what
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my guys did? They whistled in the cave.
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My granny used to talk about that. Don't whistle in
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the woods after dark. And then she was serious about that.
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That wasn't just, you know, Well, it might have been
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some superstition. She was from the Cates Cove area, the Smokies.
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She was born up there before it was a national park,
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like in 1890, I think. That was my mom's mother.
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But yeah, you can call stuff to you inadvertently. That
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was what she believed.
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Well, the guys were down pretty far deep into this cave.
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They were actually having to rappel down. a little ways.
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I like caves okay, but I am not a caver.
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I don't want to be a caver. I will protect
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and guard the front of that cave with all I
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got while everybody else goes in and squeezes through those crevices.
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Y'all go have it. I'll protect you from the front.
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But the guys went down in there and at some
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point they got pretty far down in this cave. And
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Drew said that something peeked his head around a corner
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in front of them. And they all sat there. They
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were kind of watching and waiting, trying to see if
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it was going to peek his head around the corner again.
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And he let out a good whistle. And what looked
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like a pale crawler peeked his head around the back
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of that cave, around the side, the corner of that cave.
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And it ducked back in and they never saw it again,
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but there was definitely something in there and they actually
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got it on video. So it was a, yeah, it was,
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it was an interesting trip. It was really fun. We
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ended up not ending, not seeing any skinwalkers. We did
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not even have any kind of dogman activity. I mean, we, we,
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we've scoured that land with a pretty fine tooth comb,
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all that farmland that was out there. And the caves.
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And it was a great investigation. We do plan to go.
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We'd like to go back. We're trying to get a
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trip back to go up there to do some more.
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But that was my first skinwalker cave investigation ever.
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I've never been in a skinwalker cave that I know of. Now,
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I have been in some caves. And I'm with you
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on that. I don't care for caves myself. You get
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in there and you're thinking about, you know, all this
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tons and tons and tons of rock up above you.
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What if there's an earthquake or something? You know, I
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would not want to be trapped underground. I've had dreams
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about being trapped in like a mine cave in or something,
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probably from another life, if you believe in reincarnation or
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things like that. But yeah, I've been to Mammoth Cave.
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I've been to Bell Witch Cave at Adams, Tennessee. Have
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you ever been there? You ever been down to Adams?
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I'm planning on going. I have not been. I actually
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am friends with John Bell's fifth great-grandson. His name is Derek.
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He's been on my show before and I am, I
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would love to go up there with him sometime. And
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my friend Bryce, we've talked about Bell Witch Cave a bit.
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I did, I was given that as a remote viewing
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target at some point to try to figure out what
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that haunting was about. I hope you didn't come home
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with a rock on your shoe.
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No, I didn't take anything. Um, Chris Kirby, that her
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and her husband own that property. She's a good friend
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of mine. And, uh, one of the times that I
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went down there, uh, it was, I think it was
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like in the middle of summer or something. And, um,
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There was nobody there. Maybe school just started back. I
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don't remember. But anyway, I was the only one there
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that day. So I got like a private tour and
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it was frightening. I had I think it was the
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first professional digital camera that I ever owned. I had
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that with me and I got some weird things on
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pictures down there. We said she had like a little
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gazebo area up in her yard there. We sat down
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there and I reviewed my pictures and there was stuff
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just in those pictures that was not there in the cave.
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She's like, I don't know what that is. I mean,
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there was stuff that looked like two by fours, you know,
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like the shadow. There was things that just wasn't down there,
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but yet it showed up in my pictures. And then
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and she's probably got a lot more now. But back
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then she had a couple of photo albums that she
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brought out pictures, some that she had taken, some that
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other people had taken and sent back to her. There
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was a picture of her daughter and another little girl.
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And this is kind of dating it. It was the
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early 90s. But her daughter was maybe 10 or so
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years old in the picture. She's sitting right outside the cave.
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And there is like a boa constrictor around her neck.
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And she's sitting there with another little girl. And she's like,
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you see that snake? She said that snake was not there.
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She said, my daughter hates snakes. There's no way she
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would have sat there with her arm around her friend
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and a big smile on her face and a giant
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snake around her neck. So, you know, what is that?
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There's definitely something there. There's a presence there. I heard
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things in there. One of her dogs was in there
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with us. It heard something back in the cave. I mean,
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I heard it. The dog heard it. So I don't know.
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And apparently her husband was down there working at some point,
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had some kind of experience. And he told her, he
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flat out said, if you want to do the cave
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and have tours and stuff, have at it. But I
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don't want anything to do with it unless he's changed.
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It was all on her. So I don't know. But
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there's definitely something down there. There's a presence down there.
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Just like at the skinwalker cave now caves are so
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creepy and if it weren't for the temperature being 125
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degrees while we were there uh i wouldn't have spent
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so much time in that cave but once you go
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down inside that cave it's like a refrigerator yeah.
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It's like mammoth cave it's 52 degrees year round they
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have a sign up telling you to wear a light
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jacket or a sweater because it gets cold in here
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if you're doing one of the longer tours.
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00:24:46.099 --> 00:24:49.440
Well with a lot of the Cryptid investigations that I
473
00:24:49.460 --> 00:24:52.279
do and all the field research, not a lot of times,
474
00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:54.240
but some of the times that we're out there doing
475
00:24:54.569 --> 00:24:58.289
the research, we don't have cryptid activity, but we usually
476
00:24:58.630 --> 00:25:01.470
have paranormal activity of some kind. And that was the
477
00:25:01.509 --> 00:25:03.869
case at the cave up in Tennessee that we were at.
478
00:25:04.130 --> 00:25:06.210
And now this place that I was at can't be
479
00:25:06.250 --> 00:25:08.450
too far from Bell Witch Cave. We were in a
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00:25:08.450 --> 00:25:12.089
place called Whitleyville. And it's the north part of Tennessee
481
00:25:12.170 --> 00:25:14.289
right at that. I think it's like the Kentucky border
482
00:25:14.329 --> 00:25:18.099
right there, right in the dead center of Tennessee, right north.
483
00:25:18.849 --> 00:25:22.569
Now, I've been to Whitley City in southeastern Kentucky. Is
484
00:25:22.630 --> 00:25:23.190
it near there?
485
00:25:23.210 --> 00:25:26.490
It could be. I'm not sure. I'm from Georgia, so
486
00:25:26.569 --> 00:25:28.430
I don't know my towns up there.
487
00:25:28.730 --> 00:25:32.380
You're close to Cumberland Falls. You're close to Somerset. And
488
00:25:32.430 --> 00:25:34.119
I'm trying to think of what else is up there.
489
00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:38.940
But Whitley City, Stearns, that area, they have the big
490
00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:41.920
South Fork Railroad tour that you can do up there.
491
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:43.680
That's pretty in the fall of the year. But I
492
00:25:43.700 --> 00:25:45.900
bet that's where you're talking about. That's another weird area.
493
00:25:46.450 --> 00:25:49.029
I had some strange encounters there and met some people
494
00:25:49.509 --> 00:25:53.690
that had some strange encounters in that area, too. Another
495
00:25:53.710 --> 00:25:55.890
story for another time, though. Sorry, go ahead. I just
496
00:25:55.930 --> 00:25:56.829
want to interject there.
497
00:25:57.809 --> 00:26:01.369
Yeah, that's great. So we were we were we pulled
498
00:26:01.430 --> 00:26:04.089
out the ghost hunting equipment while we were out there.
499
00:26:04.150 --> 00:26:06.730
So Farrah and I were actually the woman who owned
500
00:26:06.750 --> 00:26:09.150
the property. She and her husband, Farrah and I were
501
00:26:09.210 --> 00:26:12.190
actually we kind of stayed behind while the guys got
502
00:26:12.309 --> 00:26:15.119
way far deeper into that cave. And so they were
503
00:26:15.130 --> 00:26:18.559
doing their cave exploring and she and I got some,
504
00:26:18.740 --> 00:26:21.160
I brought my ghost hunting equipment and stuff that I
505
00:26:21.259 --> 00:26:24.880
usually use on our cryptid investigations too. And she had
506
00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:27.779
some ghost hunting equipment. And so we decided, well, let's just,
507
00:26:28.259 --> 00:26:29.640
let's just see what we got. Let's see if there's
508
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.460
any spirits in here or whatever, because she'd always wanted
509
00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:34.700
to do that, but she was kind of, she kind
510
00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:36.819
of held back because she was alone, you know, and
511
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:39.579
she didn't feel safe doing any of this investigating by
512
00:26:39.619 --> 00:26:41.529
herself or even with her husband, because it was just,
513
00:26:41.549 --> 00:26:44.559
it was just the two of them. And this is
514
00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:47.720
a really creepy place, very creepy place. But she had
515
00:26:47.740 --> 00:26:50.460
to live there. Right. So so we got out the
516
00:26:50.579 --> 00:26:53.299
REM pod, my REM pod. We got she had an
517
00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:56.920
SLS camera, which is one of those cameras where you
518
00:26:57.259 --> 00:27:00.319
point it in towards whatever you want to film. And
519
00:27:00.940 --> 00:27:03.400
it's got that kinetic. What is that called? It's got
520
00:27:03.420 --> 00:27:07.789
a kinetic technology that the ghost hunters use. And it's
521
00:27:08.150 --> 00:27:11.519
like people show up like stick figures. Okay, so if
522
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.819
anything shows up, if there's any kind of paranormal, like
523
00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:17.400
a person there, even if we can't see them, they'll
524
00:27:17.420 --> 00:27:18.440
show up as a stick figure.
525
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.019
Yeah, I think they've got those like on Teslas and
526
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:23.319
some of those high-end cars. I've seen that where people
527
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:26.180
would drive through, say, a graveyard, for example, and you
528
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:29.269
can see these stick figures walking through on the screen
529
00:27:29.589 --> 00:27:30.670
when there's nothing there.
530
00:27:31.829 --> 00:27:34.210
Or following people home. Have you seen those videos?
531
00:27:34.369 --> 00:27:36.009
Yeah, I have. That's some scary stuff.
532
00:27:37.029 --> 00:27:39.950
Super scary. It makes you... want to maybe rethink going
533
00:27:39.970 --> 00:27:43.569
to the cemetery so often. But, uh, so we, so
534
00:27:43.609 --> 00:27:45.269
we got the, we got some of the equipment out.
535
00:27:45.309 --> 00:27:47.730
I had my dowsing rods with me and we started
536
00:27:47.789 --> 00:27:50.009
asking some questions and we were getting a lot of
537
00:27:50.130 --> 00:27:52.670
answers back and we were getting voices on our EVP,
538
00:27:52.710 --> 00:27:55.990
like EVPs on our recorders. And at some point we
539
00:27:56.009 --> 00:27:57.789
had that REM pod set up and we had the
540
00:27:57.829 --> 00:28:02.019
kinetic camera on it, the SLS camera pointed towards the
541
00:28:02.059 --> 00:28:04.640
REM pod. And this is when the guys got back
542
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:07.299
And we were all sitting around. We had a campfire
543
00:28:07.339 --> 00:28:11.259
right outside the front of that cave. We had a campfire.
544
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:12.680
We had some chairs, but none of us wanted to
545
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.210
put our back towards that cave. I know it sounds crazy,
546
00:28:15.230 --> 00:28:17.190
but like none of us felt safe putting our backs
547
00:28:17.250 --> 00:28:20.150
towards that cave because we just it just constantly felt
548
00:28:20.190 --> 00:28:22.710
like something was going to come out at us. And
549
00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:25.480
so we're sitting there watching the cameras and stuff. We're
550
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:30.140
just kind of hanging out. And suddenly. A gigantic stick
551
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:32.339
figure comes out of the cave. Now, it's not like
552
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:34.660
the main entrance of the cave, like the main hole,
553
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:38.970
like the main straightaway. It came out of a side corner.
554
00:28:39.650 --> 00:28:43.470
This gigantic figure crawls out of the hole, out of
555
00:28:43.509 --> 00:28:46.450
one of the caverns, and it climbs down the wall.
556
00:28:47.150 --> 00:28:49.269
And then it comes and it stands right in the
557
00:28:49.589 --> 00:28:54.049
very front doorway of that cave. And two little tiny
558
00:28:54.109 --> 00:28:58.059
people come crawling out beside it, climb down the wall
559
00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:00.230
of that cave, And one of them jumps on the
560
00:29:00.329 --> 00:29:03.329
antenna of my REM pod and starts dancing around in circles.
561
00:29:05.369 --> 00:29:08.069
It was odd. We have that on video. I have
562
00:29:08.089 --> 00:29:10.880
it on my YouTube channel. I think it's in my stories.
563
00:29:10.890 --> 00:29:14.589
I'm tagged in Farrah's stuff somewhere. I have to find it.
564
00:29:15.019 --> 00:29:17.440
But it's on social media. We have videos of this.
565
00:29:18.019 --> 00:29:21.720
And we're talking about a huge figure, like a giant.
566
00:29:22.140 --> 00:29:23.700
And at some point, it looked as though it had
567
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:24.579
horns on its head.
568
00:29:28.740 --> 00:29:31.339
Yeah, scary stuff there. And it makes you wonder, I mean,
569
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:34.490
what the light spectrum that we can see is so
570
00:29:34.549 --> 00:29:37.730
narrow compared to what everything out there, you know, like
571
00:29:38.410 --> 00:29:40.319
the light spectrum we could see like at home. my
572
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:44.539
fingers just barely apart but the spectrum that actually exists
573
00:29:44.619 --> 00:29:47.279
is bigger than I could spread my arms out so
574
00:29:47.299 --> 00:29:49.279
it makes you wonder what's out there I think that's
575
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:53.829
why some things appear blurry in photographs they vibrate at
576
00:29:53.869 --> 00:29:58.130
either higher or lower frequency and probably something they can
577
00:29:58.170 --> 00:30:01.480
control sort of a Like a chameleon can change its color,
578
00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:05.329
Bigfoot or any of these cryptids, they can change their
579
00:30:05.430 --> 00:30:09.690
actual vibration to where they can't be seen. Like comedian
580
00:30:09.730 --> 00:30:13.069
Mitch Hedberg once quipped that all the photos of Bigfoot
581
00:30:13.109 --> 00:30:16.759
are blurry because the Bigfoot creature itself is blurry. And
582
00:30:16.940 --> 00:30:18.920
he was making a joke there, but I think that's
583
00:30:18.980 --> 00:30:20.539
probably not too far from the truth.
584
00:30:21.539 --> 00:30:23.819
Oh, I love that. That's true. That's true. Because we
585
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:27.710
really just don't know. And so we'd actually been having
586
00:30:27.750 --> 00:30:30.809
some communication with some spirits. You never really know what
587
00:30:30.849 --> 00:30:32.829
you're talking to when you're getting voices that come through
588
00:30:32.849 --> 00:30:35.430
the EVP recorders. You think you're talking to your aunt
589
00:30:35.470 --> 00:30:37.589
or your uncle or your grandma. And it could be
590
00:30:37.650 --> 00:30:41.430
something very dark. So we really don't know who we're
591
00:30:41.470 --> 00:30:44.819
talking to. But when we saw those figures that came
592
00:30:44.900 --> 00:30:47.460
out of the cave and they were kind of interacting
593
00:30:47.500 --> 00:30:51.559
with us a bit, it made me start thinking about, well, okay,
594
00:30:51.579 --> 00:30:54.470
so this are these just in a different dimension? It's just,
595
00:30:54.529 --> 00:30:56.490
I can't see it. It's not in my, I don't
596
00:30:56.529 --> 00:30:58.150
have the rods and the cones in my eyes to
597
00:30:58.190 --> 00:31:03.849
see these things right now. Are they Bigfoot? Are they giants?
598
00:31:04.210 --> 00:31:06.359
You know, we know there are giants found in caves,
599
00:31:06.380 --> 00:31:09.339
you know, the redheaded giants and Lovelock, and there are
600
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.359
giants that were buried in all the mounds all over
601
00:31:11.380 --> 00:31:14.640
the place, all over the United States, North America. But Steve,
602
00:31:14.660 --> 00:31:18.890
what if, what if Sasquatch, what if cryptids can be ghosts.
603
00:31:19.250 --> 00:31:21.829
What if that was the ghost of a Bigfoot and
604
00:31:21.910 --> 00:31:23.569
two kids?
605
00:31:23.650 --> 00:31:26.410
That's a good idea. I've never really heard that theory
606
00:31:26.450 --> 00:31:29.349
put forth, but it makes as much sense as any
607
00:31:29.410 --> 00:31:33.210
other theory that I've heard. And that would explain the
608
00:31:33.259 --> 00:31:35.140
whole thing of them going in and out of portals
609
00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:37.759
and stuff. Ghosts don't have to use a portal, or
610
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.599
they're still using the portal to go between dimensions. But
611
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:44.039
that's an interesting theory. I've never really considered that.
612
00:31:45.609 --> 00:31:47.309
Yeah. Well, you know, you got to kind of think
613
00:31:47.369 --> 00:31:50.569
outside the box because we're doing stuff out there that
614
00:31:50.630 --> 00:31:53.130
is not inside any kind of a box. We might
615
00:31:53.150 --> 00:31:53.970
be in a cave, but we don't.
616
00:31:53.890 --> 00:31:56.329
Even know what the box is to stay inside of it.
617
00:31:56.380 --> 00:32:01.839
So that's what I appreciate about stuff like this. Soraya Azkath,
618
00:32:01.859 --> 00:32:03.779
who does Where'd the Road Go? I was on his
619
00:32:03.819 --> 00:32:06.180
show one time and he said the paranormal, it's like
620
00:32:06.220 --> 00:32:11.289
a big multi-thousand piece jigsaw puzzle, but without the benefit
621
00:32:11.430 --> 00:32:13.529
of the box lid. So you don't even know what
622
00:32:13.569 --> 00:32:16.190
the picture is you're trying to put together. And then
623
00:32:16.250 --> 00:32:21.609
sometimes you may find that some cosmic joker has mixed
624
00:32:21.690 --> 00:32:25.170
maybe a dozen puzzles together. So there are pieces that
625
00:32:25.210 --> 00:32:27.490
don't fit anywhere. And I think that's one of the
626
00:32:27.529 --> 00:32:29.789
best analogies of the paranormal that I've ever heard.
627
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:32.859
I have never even thought of it like that. That
628
00:32:32.910 --> 00:32:36.859
is 100 percent correct. Yes, I agree with that statement.
629
00:32:37.259 --> 00:32:40.559
I do. And because we just don't know what's going
630
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:42.079
on out there. That's why you have to have an
631
00:32:42.180 --> 00:32:45.519
open mind about everything you're doing. I have one of
632
00:32:45.539 --> 00:32:48.599
the most open minds of anybody that you're ever going
633
00:32:48.619 --> 00:32:52.049
to meet. And I'm so open to all the possibilities
634
00:32:52.089 --> 00:32:54.109
of all the stuff. And I'm open to changing my
635
00:32:54.150 --> 00:32:56.410
mind when I see something else that goes against what
636
00:32:56.450 --> 00:32:58.190
I thought. I mean, I used to think that I
637
00:32:58.230 --> 00:33:00.569
had all this figured out when I first got into Bigfooting.
638
00:33:01.250 --> 00:33:03.309
And I got into the ghost hunting and all that
639
00:33:03.349 --> 00:33:05.500
kind of stuff. But the more that I do it,
640
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:07.779
the more I understand that I don't know what the
641
00:33:07.819 --> 00:33:08.599
heck's going on.
642
00:33:08.619 --> 00:33:12.640
Yeah. And that's me. I've got more questions than I
643
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:16.160
started with. But I gave up years and years ago
644
00:33:16.220 --> 00:33:18.319
trying to get the answers. I'm just looking for the
645
00:33:18.380 --> 00:33:21.160
next set of questions. But, you know, if we had
646
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:24.349
all the answers, the journey wouldn't be near as much fun.
647
00:33:24.390 --> 00:33:26.170
And to me, that's what it's all about. It's all
648
00:33:26.210 --> 00:33:30.089
about the journey, not the destination. And when it comes
649
00:33:30.109 --> 00:33:32.910
to the paranormal encrypted and things like that, I've been
650
00:33:32.930 --> 00:33:35.809
looking into this kind of stuff since I was in
651
00:33:35.829 --> 00:33:39.009
the single digits. Anyway, I had my first full body
652
00:33:39.069 --> 00:33:42.839
apparition sighting when I was four going on five. or
653
00:33:42.859 --> 00:33:46.029
five going on six, saw weird lights and things when
654
00:33:46.069 --> 00:33:48.890
I was four. And it just goes on and on
655
00:33:48.910 --> 00:33:51.809
and on. And it didn't scare me, you know, it
656
00:33:51.849 --> 00:33:54.190
just made me think, huh, what was that? That's not
657
00:33:54.210 --> 00:33:56.369
supposed to happen. Even at a tender age, I knew,
658
00:33:56.390 --> 00:33:58.869
you know, that little kids don't run into the yard,
659
00:33:58.910 --> 00:34:01.910
fall down, disappear. And that's exactly what I witnessed, went
660
00:34:01.950 --> 00:34:04.640
straight to the spot. There was nothing there, nothing I
661
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.119
could have mistaken for a kid, no hole that a
662
00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:09.510
kid could have fallen in. And I knew every inch
663
00:34:09.530 --> 00:34:11.730
of that yard because I played in that yard. We
664
00:34:11.769 --> 00:34:15.090
had 26 acres out in the country. Five of it
665
00:34:15.130 --> 00:34:18.750
cleared off. This was in rural East Tennessee. Driveway was
666
00:34:18.809 --> 00:34:22.219
exactly 212 yards from the road. And I know that
667
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.239
because I measured it years later when I was doing
668
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:27.659
BMX sprints in the driveway. I was about halfway out.
669
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:31.440
So 100 feet from the road. Saw this happen. Went
670
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:33.539
straight to the spot. I even went back to the
671
00:34:33.739 --> 00:34:36.480
house and got a shovel. And went out there and
672
00:34:36.579 --> 00:34:38.639
dug where the kid fell just to see if there
673
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:44.119
was anything there. Nothing there. And Cisco Murdoch said, you know, Steve, metaphorically,
674
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:47.019
you never put that shovel down. You're still digging, looking
675
00:34:47.059 --> 00:34:49.090
for that kid. And I am. I think that's a
676
00:34:49.110 --> 00:34:53.789
very apt statement there. I've never put my paranormal shovel down.
677
00:34:53.829 --> 00:34:54.550
I'm still digging.
678
00:34:55.630 --> 00:34:58.670
I know. And continue to dig because you're doing a
679
00:34:58.730 --> 00:35:01.750
fantastic job. I really enjoy it. listening to all of
680
00:35:01.789 --> 00:35:04.869
your shows and all the, you know, especially the missing
681
00:35:04.909 --> 00:35:06.610
people at all these national parks that you and I
682
00:35:06.630 --> 00:35:09.489
have talked about before. And something that you said reminded
683
00:35:09.510 --> 00:35:12.090
me of when I was a kid, because I used
684
00:35:12.130 --> 00:35:16.110
to get visited by ghosts when I was a teenager
685
00:35:16.369 --> 00:35:17.929
and a young, a young lady.
686
00:35:18.130 --> 00:35:18.269
Okay.
687
00:35:18.309 --> 00:35:19.349
I'm not, I'm not old.
688
00:35:19.690 --> 00:35:19.769
Okay.
689
00:35:19.849 --> 00:35:22.389
I'm not old by my standards. My son's standards.
690
00:35:22.429 --> 00:35:23.679
Yes. Okay.
691
00:35:23.699 --> 00:35:27.769
But when I was in my twenties and thirties, I,
692
00:35:28.539 --> 00:35:30.219
I was getting visited, you know, I, I've lost a
693
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:32.159
lot of loved ones in my life. And I mean,
694
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:34.340
a lot of my, you know, my best friends, my
695
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:38.039
family passed away, uh, from my, my little brother to
696
00:35:38.059 --> 00:35:40.340
like two of, two of my best friends, three of
697
00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:43.500
my very best friends have passed away now. And, uh,
698
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:46.780
a lot of family. And I started looking for answers.
699
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:48.159
I think that's kind of how I got into big
700
00:35:48.179 --> 00:35:52.219
footing was kind of looking for, uh, you know, ghost
701
00:35:52.260 --> 00:35:55.719
hunting and stuff like that and communicating with the dead. And, um,
702
00:35:56.889 --> 00:35:59.469
But when I started losing a lot of people in
703
00:35:59.489 --> 00:36:04.219
my life, I started getting, it's almost like my spiritual
704
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:07.539
gifts started showing up. They started showing up. They started
705
00:36:07.579 --> 00:36:10.639
coming online. And I started realizing that I was a
706
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:12.860
lot more psychic than I thought I was. And I
707
00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:15.679
was seeing ghosts. And I would wake up at night
708
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:18.969
and there would be people standing around my bed. Even
709
00:36:19.329 --> 00:36:21.630
my brother showed up one night after the week that
710
00:36:21.650 --> 00:36:24.429
he died. I saw my brother. He actually came to
711
00:36:24.449 --> 00:36:27.820
tell me goodbye one night. While I was laying down,
712
00:36:27.860 --> 00:36:30.989
I woke me up one night. But before that, I
713
00:36:31.030 --> 00:36:35.329
was seeing, you know, it's always people. It's always humans
714
00:36:35.570 --> 00:36:39.510
in Victorian era clothing. I tell you, I don't know
715
00:36:39.590 --> 00:36:41.449
what it is about that. But it seems like the
716
00:36:41.489 --> 00:36:44.050
majority of the ghosts that I was seeing, they looked
717
00:36:44.070 --> 00:36:48.110
like humans. They were solid form. They weren't see-through. They
718
00:36:48.150 --> 00:36:51.769
were solid just like I was. And they were wearing
719
00:36:51.889 --> 00:36:54.460
Victoria era clothing and talking to me. And I always
720
00:36:54.500 --> 00:36:58.750
remembered seeing them. They would say things like, I can't
721
00:36:58.769 --> 00:37:00.889
remember the full conversations they would have with me, but
722
00:37:00.929 --> 00:37:03.030
they would talk and I would always notice their mouths
723
00:37:03.150 --> 00:37:08.679
were not moving. So it was telepathy, telepathic communication. And
724
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:12.719
I could hear their voices clear as day. And I
725
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:14.659
remember I'd wake up the next day and I'd think, man,
726
00:37:14.699 --> 00:37:16.679
that's weird. And I'd usually draw a picture of what
727
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:20.500
I saw. I have a collection of the experiences that
728
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.769
I've had where I woke up with people standing by
729
00:37:23.809 --> 00:37:28.059
my bed talking to me. Well, fast forward to after
730
00:37:28.099 --> 00:37:31.349
I started doing the Bigfoot field research. And right off
731
00:37:31.369 --> 00:37:33.869
the bat, when I started doing the Bigfoot field research,
732
00:37:34.789 --> 00:37:40.670
I was having contact with ETs and UFOs in the field. Okay,
733
00:37:40.690 --> 00:37:44.659
I'd not had contact that I knew of with ETs,
734
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:46.800
but I knew that I was seeing UFOs in the
735
00:37:46.860 --> 00:37:51.260
environment whenever we were having Bigfoot activity. And let's just
736
00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:53.949
say that I went home. after some of this contact
737
00:37:53.969 --> 00:37:56.639
happened with these UFOs and stuff and some missing time
738
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:59.880
incidents that I had out in the field, I would
739
00:37:59.920 --> 00:38:01.519
wake up at night and I would have ETs in
740
00:38:01.539 --> 00:38:06.079
my bedroom. And there were two instances where I woke
741
00:38:06.179 --> 00:38:07.639
up and there were ETs in my room and they
742
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:11.800
were talking to me, standing by my bed and their
743
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:15.619
mouths were not moving. Okay. And it was the same
744
00:38:15.739 --> 00:38:19.000
scenario that I had when I was younger, but now
745
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:24.699
they're ETs. So that, made me start thinking really hard.
746
00:38:24.980 --> 00:38:26.380
Of course, I thought about it all the time because
747
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:27.820
I was like, man, this is really weird. I've got
748
00:38:27.940 --> 00:38:31.719
ETs in my room and what, why am I big
749
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:32.260
footing now?
750
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:32.360
Okay.
751
00:38:32.420 --> 00:38:34.679
Cause I'm big footing. I don't want to be abducted
752
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:36.940
by aliens, but apparently this is going, I don't know
753
00:38:36.980 --> 00:38:37.559
what's going on.
754
00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:38.139
Okay.
755
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:41.139
And, uh, but I started thinking, well, what if when
756
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:42.820
I was a kid or when I was younger and
757
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:48.719
I was seeing Victorian era humans sitting by my bed,
758
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:51.039
talking to me and their mouths weren't moving, What if
759
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:54.059
that was ETs all along and I was just getting
760
00:38:54.099 --> 00:38:58.440
a screen memory or something? Or they were portraying themselves
761
00:38:58.539 --> 00:39:01.719
as humans so it wouldn't scare me. But they were
762
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:03.079
actually ETs the entire time.
763
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:10.000
You know, that's a thought. I had a black-eyed kids
764
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:14.179
encounter back in the 90s. And I've often wondered, especially
765
00:39:14.429 --> 00:39:17.329
in the last few years, if it was two little
766
00:39:17.349 --> 00:39:21.809
girls at all. I think it was either... aliens or
767
00:39:21.849 --> 00:39:25.579
greys or maybe even something demonic and because that's the
768
00:39:25.619 --> 00:39:27.690
energy that i got off of the demonic side of
769
00:39:27.730 --> 00:39:30.170
it I think that that's just the way it was
770
00:39:30.210 --> 00:39:33.010
presenting itself that no tell what it was kind of
771
00:39:33.030 --> 00:39:35.059
like Whitley Strieber and his owls you know I don't
772
00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:38.179
think what I saw what I perceived was at all
773
00:39:38.300 --> 00:39:40.519
really what it was I've come to that conclusion in
774
00:39:40.579 --> 00:39:41.420
recent time.
775
00:39:42.940 --> 00:39:46.360
I too have had a black eyed human encounter and
776
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:48.360
it was pretty scary but it was when I lived
777
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:52.909
at a very haunted apartment in downtown Atlanta. I lived
778
00:39:52.989 --> 00:39:55.909
in an old house. It was actually on some land
779
00:39:55.969 --> 00:39:58.469
where some of the civil war had been fought. A
780
00:39:59.030 --> 00:40:01.400
lot of, a lot of bloodshed had happened. And that's
781
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:03.059
kind of a recurring theme with a lot of these
782
00:40:03.099 --> 00:40:06.159
hauntings that I investigate. But this house was, there was
783
00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:09.400
just something very dark about it. I woke up one
784
00:40:09.420 --> 00:40:12.199
night and there was, I woke up to my doorbell
785
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:16.739
ringing and I lived in a downstairs apartment. And you
786
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:18.280
had to go through a long hallway to get to
787
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:20.280
the door of my apartment. There were two apartments downstairs
788
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:23.079
in the basement of this house. And I'd already been
789
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.960
having a lot of bad, just weird, terrible activity. I mean,
790
00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:27.780
I'd come home at night. It was in the bar
791
00:40:27.820 --> 00:40:31.920
district of Atlanta. And kind of very seedy. Let's just
792
00:40:31.940 --> 00:40:35.179
say seedy. Seedy is a good word. Okay. Now it's
793
00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:37.239
like all the rich people hang out there and they've
794
00:40:37.260 --> 00:40:39.139
got condos everywhere. Back when I lived there.
795
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:41.539
It's been gentrified. That's what it was back in the
796
00:40:41.820 --> 00:40:43.659
80s when I'd go down there for the weekends and
797
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:45.219
stuff and we'd go to it. I think it was
798
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:48.119
Limelight or something was the place down there where we
799
00:40:48.139 --> 00:40:52.179
go see shows at the 688 Club or the Fox Theater.
800
00:40:52.219 --> 00:40:54.340
I saw one of the best shows ever at the
801
00:40:54.380 --> 00:40:59.789
Fox there. I saw The Cure. Amazing, amazing theater down there.
802
00:40:59.829 --> 00:41:01.269
I'm sorry. Go ahead. Oh, yeah.
803
00:41:01.510 --> 00:41:03.150
Well, this was just right down the road from like
804
00:41:03.190 --> 00:41:04.929
the Masquerade. Oh, the Claremont Lounge.
805
00:41:05.070 --> 00:41:05.369
Okay.
806
00:41:05.449 --> 00:41:07.690
Anybody who's listening from Atlanta, if you know the Claremont Lounge,
807
00:41:07.889 --> 00:41:08.539
it was on the.
808
00:41:08.469 --> 00:41:11.039
Same street that I lived on. Masquerade. I think that
809
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:12.480
was the same one that used to be the Limelight,
810
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:15.699
but Masquerade that had Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory.
811
00:41:15.820 --> 00:41:16.320
That's it?
812
00:41:16.619 --> 00:41:17.539
That's what had been there.
813
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:20.099
It was a long distance from where I lived.
814
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:20.380
Yeah.
815
00:41:20.460 --> 00:41:22.699
And so the Claremont Lounge was actually on my block
816
00:41:23.139 --> 00:41:25.500
where I lived. Okay. And that's, y'all look at, I'm
817
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:27.719
not going to get into detail about that. Okay. But
818
00:41:27.820 --> 00:41:30.750
when I say seedy, I mean seedy. And, uh, but
819
00:41:30.789 --> 00:41:32.949
it was also beautiful at the same time, but, um,
820
00:41:33.300 --> 00:41:35.199
but I, I came home, you know, we, my friends
821
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:36.860
would go out, we'd go and I was back when
822
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:39.380
I was young and wild and free. And, uh, and
823
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:40.820
we'd go out and we'd, we'd have a couple of
824
00:41:40.860 --> 00:41:44.059
drinks or something. And we'd, uh, go to MJQ and
825
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:46.360
we'd go back to my, you know, my friends would
826
00:41:46.380 --> 00:41:48.039
spend the night in my, you know, sleep on my couch.
827
00:41:48.219 --> 00:41:50.989
They'd stay at my house and stuff sometimes. Uh, so
828
00:41:51.030 --> 00:41:52.510
nobody had to drive home. Nobody had to get a
829
00:41:52.610 --> 00:41:54.610
cab or whatever, you know, just come to my house,
830
00:41:54.670 --> 00:41:58.710
sleep on my couch. And so my friend, Whitney, RIP Whitney, my,
831
00:41:58.849 --> 00:42:00.530
one of my best friends, she passed away a few
832
00:42:00.570 --> 00:42:03.710
months ago, but Whitney would come home to my house
833
00:42:03.750 --> 00:42:05.809
with me quite often. And she was a bartender in
834
00:42:05.849 --> 00:42:08.829
town too. So everybody knew Whitney. But we, we came home,
835
00:42:08.889 --> 00:42:11.610
she came to my apartment twice, two different times. It
836
00:42:11.630 --> 00:42:14.369
was always when Whitney was with me and we could
837
00:42:14.409 --> 00:42:18.719
hear a buzzing sound at, in the apartment.
838
00:42:19.059 --> 00:42:19.380
Okay.
839
00:42:19.420 --> 00:42:21.639
And there was a door there and you could, you
840
00:42:21.659 --> 00:42:23.360
could add a window in it, like up high and
841
00:42:23.380 --> 00:42:25.360
you could look down and see my door to my apartment,
842
00:42:25.739 --> 00:42:26.719
but you had to have a key to get in
843
00:42:26.739 --> 00:42:29.469
that door. And then you had to go down. You
844
00:42:29.489 --> 00:42:31.860
pass my laundry room on the right. And you get
845
00:42:31.889 --> 00:42:34.139
to my door. And I remember going down the stairs
846
00:42:35.179 --> 00:42:37.260
to the back of where you go into the apartment.
847
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.199
And we heard a buzzing sound. And I looked into
848
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:45.320
that window because something fell off. And there were, I
849
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:49.150
am not kidding you, there was a blanket of flies
850
00:42:50.329 --> 00:42:52.750
that covered the entire ceiling from the front of the
851
00:42:52.789 --> 00:42:54.670
hallway all the way down. You could not see the
852
00:42:54.710 --> 00:42:57.250
white ceiling at all. It was covered in like millions
853
00:42:57.269 --> 00:43:00.690
of of black flies and you could just hear it buzzing.
854
00:43:01.349 --> 00:43:03.469
And I have never experienced anything like that in my life.
855
00:43:03.829 --> 00:43:06.269
I experienced it one more time. It happened twice when
856
00:43:06.289 --> 00:43:08.159
I lived there and Whitney was with me both times
857
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:12.519
and witnessed both times that that happened. And so I
858
00:43:12.539 --> 00:43:15.099
remember just thinking, man, I'd already had a bunch of
859
00:43:15.539 --> 00:43:17.619
weird haunted stuff that was going on at that place
860
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:21.860
where a black mass had floated out of my bedroom
861
00:43:21.929 --> 00:43:25.769
one day and it flew past me. And it knocked
862
00:43:25.829 --> 00:43:28.110
me into my kitchen cabinets when I was in. I
863
00:43:28.150 --> 00:43:30.030
was bent over trying to get some cat food out
864
00:43:30.090 --> 00:43:33.869
from underneath my seat in my cabinet. And it knocked
865
00:43:33.909 --> 00:43:37.610
me down and it went flying into the closet in
866
00:43:37.650 --> 00:43:40.949
my living room. I'll never forget that. But we got
867
00:43:41.010 --> 00:43:42.760
home and there were flies on the ceiling. I remember
868
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:44.260
opening up the door and I said, you know, just
869
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.159
duck and run, girl. Duck and run. I don't know
870
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:49.239
what this is, but just duck and run. Let's get
871
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:51.539
to my apartment. And if there's flies in my apartment,
872
00:43:51.579 --> 00:43:51.980
we'll leave.
873
00:43:52.659 --> 00:43:52.940
Okay.
874
00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:56.539
We should have just left. Period. But we didn't, you know.
875
00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.579
But we heard buzzing all night until both of us
876
00:43:59.619 --> 00:44:02.780
fell asleep. And the next morning they were gone. And
877
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:05.320
there was only a couple of dead flies on the floor.
878
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:09.059
Those flies were completely gone the next day. So I
879
00:44:09.099 --> 00:44:12.079
should have moved out immediately. But I stuck around for
880
00:44:12.099 --> 00:44:14.420
a little while. Had it happen at least one more time.
881
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:15.400
I got.
882
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:20.070
A doorbell ring early, early, early in the wee hours
883
00:44:20.090 --> 00:44:23.559
of the morning at some point. And I opened up
884
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:25.699
my door and I, it was before we had ring doorbells.
885
00:44:26.139 --> 00:44:26.360
Okay.
886
00:44:26.389 --> 00:44:28.010
So I didn't know who it was. I had to
887
00:44:28.050 --> 00:44:30.449
go look for myself. I figured it was a friend
888
00:44:30.469 --> 00:44:32.530
that had been drinking and needed to crash on my couch.
889
00:44:33.849 --> 00:44:35.489
And I got down to the door and I kind
890
00:44:35.530 --> 00:44:37.670
of peeked out the window, but in the shadow, so
891
00:44:37.710 --> 00:44:39.349
maybe they couldn't see me. You know, I kept all
892
00:44:39.369 --> 00:44:41.869
my lights off and I looked out and there was
893
00:44:41.929 --> 00:44:45.030
a gentleman standing there and he was looking right at
894
00:44:45.070 --> 00:44:46.929
my door, just staring at my door. And he had
895
00:44:47.130 --> 00:44:49.889
his entire, both of his eyes were completely black. There
896
00:44:49.929 --> 00:44:53.480
was no white in his eyes. Um, it was just a,
897
00:44:53.610 --> 00:44:57.250
an eyeball of just black, um, both of them. And
898
00:44:57.449 --> 00:45:00.110
the first thing I thought immediately when I saw him,
899
00:45:00.170 --> 00:45:02.789
I said, man, he has no soul. That's scary.
900
00:45:03.110 --> 00:45:04.269
That is scary.
901
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:08.639
It was terrifying. It was pretty scary, but I mean,
902
00:45:08.739 --> 00:45:10.719
I had, I've at the time I was already a
903
00:45:10.780 --> 00:45:13.579
big footer. Okay. So I was big footing and stuff.
904
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:17.760
And I'd already been having some, you know, ET stuff happening. And, um,
905
00:45:19.769 --> 00:45:21.650
I chased Bigfoot in the woods. Okay. So like I
906
00:45:21.670 --> 00:45:23.280
was kind of used to it. I'd seen ghosts most
907
00:45:23.300 --> 00:45:25.090
of my life, but that was different.
908
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.300
Now you mentioned aliens and stuff like that. Have you
909
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:33.519
ever had any missing time?
910
00:45:34.820 --> 00:45:38.000
I've had missing time. Yes, I have. When we were
911
00:45:38.059 --> 00:45:40.400
out in the field and we were having, I was
912
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:43.659
actually on a call, like a black ops mission kind
913
00:45:43.699 --> 00:45:43.960
of thing.
914
00:45:44.019 --> 00:45:44.199
Right.
915
00:45:44.219 --> 00:45:44.400
Yeah.
916
00:45:45.469 --> 00:45:47.710
Uh, usually the team, you know, we go out as
917
00:45:47.750 --> 00:45:49.909
a big team and then we divide off into small teams.
918
00:45:50.909 --> 00:45:53.239
And I told the guys, I said, you know, always
919
00:45:53.300 --> 00:45:55.860
put me in the, with the team of like the
920
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:59.960
most outrageous stuff. Like I just, I want to experience Bigfoot.
921
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:01.659
Put me in a weird predicament.
922
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:02.059
I don't care.
923
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:02.659
I'll be bait.
924
00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:03.300
Okay.
925
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:06.179
I'll be bait. I'll do whatever. Uh, just so I can, um,
926
00:46:06.489 --> 00:46:08.170
I can bring the Bigfoots out.
927
00:46:08.469 --> 00:46:08.610
Okay.
928
00:46:08.630 --> 00:46:10.449
Cause I want to, I want to see them. And
929
00:46:10.530 --> 00:46:12.630
so this was actually one of the first times that
930
00:46:12.650 --> 00:46:14.949
I had ever gone out with this team, which became
931
00:46:15.550 --> 00:46:18.389
my team. I was never expecting to be a Bigfoot
932
00:46:18.409 --> 00:46:20.340
field researcher when I did this. Okay, I just went
933
00:46:20.380 --> 00:46:23.500
out to go have fun. And it makes new friends
934
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:26.300
to see if Bigfoot was real. And here I am,
935
00:46:26.579 --> 00:46:29.360
you know, years and years later, well over a decade later,
936
00:46:29.380 --> 00:46:31.239
this is what I do now for fun. And I
937
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:34.579
have shows on it and all that stuff. But that weekend,
938
00:46:35.780 --> 00:46:39.260
I was out there. we'd had some really interesting activity
939
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.159
the first night I was out there. And so the
940
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:44.829
team was like, well, hey, let's send a satellite team
941
00:46:44.869 --> 00:46:48.550
out there tomorrow. Go out there, sit from like three
942
00:46:48.590 --> 00:46:50.369
in the afternoon until midnight.
943
00:46:51.230 --> 00:46:51.510
Okay.
944
00:46:51.809 --> 00:46:55.130
Go blend into the environment. We, you know, we're decked
945
00:46:55.190 --> 00:46:56.840
out in all of our camo and ghillie suits. It
946
00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:01.480
was me and one other person. And I knew it
947
00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:04.039
was going to be a long day, but the objective
948
00:47:04.860 --> 00:47:08.570
was for us to go out there and blend into
949
00:47:08.590 --> 00:47:11.480
the environment, get out there early, find it like a
950
00:47:11.539 --> 00:47:12.139
spidey hole.
951
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:12.599
Okay.
952
00:47:12.619 --> 00:47:14.579
Like go find somewhere to go hide and blend in
953
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:17.719
and not too far from each other because this is dangerous.
954
00:47:17.739 --> 00:47:20.260
What we do out there is not, it's not for
955
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.599
the normal person to do. Okay. I don't recommend anybody
956
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:26.679
doing this. But we're, we're, we, we, I didn't know
957
00:47:26.699 --> 00:47:27.659
what I was doing at the time, but I was
958
00:47:27.699 --> 00:47:30.010
with people who did know what they were doing. So
959
00:47:30.449 --> 00:47:32.550
we went out there, we're going to go hang out,
960
00:47:32.590 --> 00:47:35.800
blend into the environment for several hours and, And then
961
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:38.789
around 8 or 9 o'clock, probably 9 or 10 o'clock actually,
962
00:47:39.309 --> 00:47:43.329
the entire team was going to come out there and
963
00:47:43.650 --> 00:47:45.269
kind of hang out in this open field. Like I
964
00:47:45.289 --> 00:47:47.570
was going to be hiding in the tree line where
965
00:47:47.610 --> 00:47:51.929
we'd had some Bigfoot activity the night before. And the
966
00:47:51.949 --> 00:47:53.929
team was going to come out. The plan was they're
967
00:47:53.949 --> 00:47:56.449
going to come out and set up some chairs and
968
00:47:57.070 --> 00:48:00.440
bring drums and a didgeridoo and whatever they had out there.
969
00:48:00.460 --> 00:48:03.099
They're going to go make a bunch of racket. And
970
00:48:03.139 --> 00:48:05.739
wherever we had seen the Bigfoot the night before, There
971
00:48:05.780 --> 00:48:08.780
was a big game trail right there. And so we
972
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:12.199
figured that the Bigfoots are pretty much coming and going
973
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.469
down this trail. And so if we were to set
974
00:48:15.610 --> 00:48:20.050
up and hide in the environment for hours, okay, and
975
00:48:20.489 --> 00:48:23.690
from the daytime until the nighttime, and the team comes
976
00:48:23.730 --> 00:48:27.659
out there, we're hidden. We were hoping that the Bigfoots
977
00:48:27.699 --> 00:48:31.239
would come down that game trail and come be curious
978
00:48:31.260 --> 00:48:33.099
and look at the team and step on top of
979
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:34.559
me or my partner.
980
00:48:35.820 --> 00:48:36.139
Okay.
981
00:48:36.179 --> 00:48:37.900
So whenever the team goes out there and they're being
982
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:40.559
loud and making a bunch of racket and being annoying campers,
983
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:43.280
you know what I mean? So, uh, so we sat
984
00:48:43.340 --> 00:48:47.929
out there, it was a long day. Um, I, at
985
00:48:47.969 --> 00:48:50.429
some point, you know, I, I got my EVP recorder out.
986
00:48:50.449 --> 00:48:52.329
I had a voice recorder that I put on my
987
00:48:52.389 --> 00:48:54.909
knee and I just kind of had it turned on.
988
00:48:54.949 --> 00:48:56.210
I was like, Hey, you know, I got a couple
989
00:48:56.230 --> 00:48:58.170
of recorders, you know, I'll keep these on. I'll change
990
00:48:58.190 --> 00:49:00.679
the batteries out if they die. And just to have
991
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:03.440
it out there, let's just see if we catch anything.
992
00:49:03.500 --> 00:49:05.980
And I didn't turn it on until the sun went down.
993
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:08.440
The sun was going down. So I turned my EVP
994
00:49:08.460 --> 00:49:14.510
recorder on. It started getting dark and my buddy and I,
995
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:18.090
he was sitting about three or four feet from me.
996
00:49:18.110 --> 00:49:20.460
We both had our backs to a tree. he was
997
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:23.500
wearing a ghillie suit i had on all camo and
998
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:25.380
we were trying to be as quiet as we could
999
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:28.300
but we were whispering you can hear us talking in
1000
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:31.980
the recording and as it got dark we decided right
1001
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:33.840
before it got too dark we're going to check our
1002
00:49:34.030 --> 00:49:36.250
equipment and make sure the time was right on it
1003
00:49:36.389 --> 00:49:39.710
and make sure the batteries were full And so we
1004
00:49:39.730 --> 00:49:41.789
were looking at our equipment and we realized, well, man,
1005
00:49:41.809 --> 00:49:45.690
this weird stuff started happening. We started noticing that the
1006
00:49:45.750 --> 00:49:48.650
time on his equipment had gone forward an hour. Mine
1007
00:49:48.670 --> 00:49:53.179
had gone backwards an hour or vice versa. And we thought, man,
1008
00:49:53.219 --> 00:49:55.840
that's just that's weird. But OK, you know, we didn't
1009
00:49:55.860 --> 00:49:57.789
think a lot about it, but we took note of it.
1010
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:02.019
And so as we're sitting there kind of talking, you
1011
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:05.679
can hear us in the recorder talking about life and,
1012
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.280
you know, whatever was going on in the world at
1013
00:50:08.300 --> 00:50:11.349
the time. we noticed a light showed up on the
1014
00:50:11.389 --> 00:50:14.230
side of the mountain beside us and we're watching this,
1015
00:50:14.250 --> 00:50:16.469
it looked like a big orb and it was going
1016
00:50:16.510 --> 00:50:20.869
in a straight line from right and then back to left,
1017
00:50:21.050 --> 00:50:23.010
right and left, just going back and forth across the
1018
00:50:23.030 --> 00:50:26.329
side of this mountain. And it was kind of, kind
1019
00:50:26.369 --> 00:50:28.699
of big, but it was small from where, from where
1020
00:50:28.739 --> 00:50:34.480
we were sitting. It just looked like a light and
1021
00:50:34.500 --> 00:50:36.719
we were trying to, you know, your rational brain kicks
1022
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:39.360
in and we're trying to think, well, is there a
1023
00:50:39.659 --> 00:50:42.940
road on the side on that mountain? Is there a trail?
1024
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:47.539
You know, could that be hikers carrying a lantern and
1025
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:50.679
walking back and forth? Well, we started, you know, saying, well, no,
1026
00:50:50.739 --> 00:50:53.440
that it can't be a road because there's no road
1027
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:55.710
that is, there's no road on this, that mountain right there.
1028
00:50:56.429 --> 00:50:58.769
And there's also not a road that's like a perfect line.
1029
00:50:59.489 --> 00:51:01.489
It's going back and forth like on it, like a
1030
00:51:01.510 --> 00:51:04.989
horizontal line. And then we thought, well, this light, it
1031
00:51:05.030 --> 00:51:08.380
could not be a lantern because the, the light, is
1032
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:11.099
above the trees, not in the trees, it's above them.
1033
00:51:12.300 --> 00:51:14.380
And as we're watching this light, we're actually looking up
1034
00:51:14.420 --> 00:51:16.949
in the sky. We're seeing lights way up in the
1035
00:51:16.989 --> 00:51:22.590
sky that look like airplanes, but they're moving in triangular patterns. Okay,
1036
00:51:23.110 --> 00:51:25.829
so we're just observing. I mean, that's all we're doing.
1037
00:51:25.849 --> 00:51:30.550
We're just observing. And at some point, that light that
1038
00:51:30.570 --> 00:51:32.719
we were watching on the side of that mountain, it disappeared.
1039
00:51:34.539 --> 00:51:37.260
And you can hear at some point, It took me
1040
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:39.519
a week to two weeks to go back and listen
1041
00:51:39.539 --> 00:51:42.760
to that recording. And I had the head of the
1042
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:44.949
team come over to my apartment. It was when I
1043
00:51:44.989 --> 00:51:47.190
lived in Atlanta, not the haunted apartment, but the one
1044
00:51:47.250 --> 00:51:51.150
after that. I had the head of the team. He
1045
00:51:51.190 --> 00:51:53.449
came over because he wanted to discuss with me some
1046
00:51:53.469 --> 00:51:55.489
things because we had so many things that went down
1047
00:51:55.530 --> 00:52:00.780
that evening in regard to the orb, the light. the
1048
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:03.829
lights in the sky, some other weird stuff that happened.
1049
00:52:04.329 --> 00:52:07.170
And the missing time, you know, when the equipment started malfunctioning,
1050
00:52:07.670 --> 00:52:09.570
that was kind of a telltale sign right there that
1051
00:52:09.610 --> 00:52:12.849
something more had happened. There was something else going on there.
1052
00:52:14.449 --> 00:52:19.630
And so the team came out. They were loud. We
1053
00:52:19.670 --> 00:52:22.690
were expecting a Bigfoot to come out down that game trail,
1054
00:52:22.750 --> 00:52:25.369
but it never did. So we thought, well, man, you know,
1055
00:52:25.409 --> 00:52:28.289
this probably was kind of uneventful, you know, other than
1056
00:52:28.309 --> 00:52:31.199
the stuff that happened with my partner and I. earlier
1057
00:52:31.219 --> 00:52:33.280
in the night. But when we got back to base
1058
00:52:33.300 --> 00:52:36.760
camp around midnight that night, everybody kept saying that I
1059
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.139
was acting weird. I was like, well, y'all don't even
1060
00:52:39.179 --> 00:52:40.769
hardly know me. This is the first time I'm out
1061
00:52:40.789 --> 00:52:42.989
with y'all. And, uh, but they said, no, there was
1062
00:52:43.010 --> 00:52:45.690
something off. Okay. About both of us, he and I both.
1063
00:52:46.730 --> 00:52:50.550
And it just so happened that those guys, uh, the
1064
00:52:50.570 --> 00:52:51.809
head of my team and the guy I was with,
1065
00:52:51.829 --> 00:52:55.739
they're actually pretty, pretty well-trained remote viewers. And they had
1066
00:52:55.780 --> 00:52:58.119
gone and the next day had done some remote viewing
1067
00:52:58.179 --> 00:53:00.079
on what had happened to us and stuff. But, um,
1068
00:53:01.190 --> 00:53:03.750
But they didn't tell me what had happened, what they had,
1069
00:53:04.030 --> 00:53:07.630
what the data was, what they came up with. But
1070
00:53:07.650 --> 00:53:10.130
they wanted, I did get a message. The whole team
1071
00:53:10.150 --> 00:53:12.610
got a message from the head of the team. He said, hey,
1072
00:53:12.630 --> 00:53:16.489
I want you guys to please start studying alien abductions.
1073
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:20.639
I thought, good Lord. I was like, I came out
1074
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:22.960
here to be a, to look for Bigfoot. Now they've
1075
00:53:23.219 --> 00:53:27.679
actually asked me to potentially join their team. And I
1076
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:31.179
got abducted by aliens, maybe. Okay. So what the heck?
1077
00:53:32.059 --> 00:53:34.739
I didn't know what to make of it, honestly. And
1078
00:53:34.780 --> 00:53:37.599
so I was, I was just had a million things
1079
00:53:37.619 --> 00:53:39.949
going through my head. And I had talked to the
1080
00:53:39.969 --> 00:53:41.989
head of the team after that, when I got home
1081
00:53:42.650 --> 00:53:44.130
from that trip and I had some time to think
1082
00:53:44.170 --> 00:53:45.869
about it. And I told him about the recording that
1083
00:53:45.909 --> 00:53:48.429
I had. I said, I have this EVP recorder. I
1084
00:53:48.469 --> 00:53:50.989
recorded everything that happened that night. I had not told
1085
00:53:51.050 --> 00:53:53.530
him or he had not told me what he thought
1086
00:53:53.570 --> 00:53:55.840
had happened and But I told him I had never
1087
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:57.840
listened to the recording because I was scared to listen
1088
00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:00.780
to it. Because I knew that something had happened to us,
1089
00:54:00.820 --> 00:54:03.960
but I just didn't know what. And he said, well,
1090
00:54:04.019 --> 00:54:05.719
he knew something happened to us, but he just didn't
1091
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.699
know what either. But maybe there could be some answers
1092
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:13.210
in that recording device. So he came over. We sat
1093
00:54:13.230 --> 00:54:16.889
in my living room. We hit play. We listened to
1094
00:54:17.449 --> 00:54:20.510
a good, at least a couple hours or more of
1095
00:54:20.769 --> 00:54:25.840
the recording. And there comes a point where My partner
1096
00:54:25.860 --> 00:54:27.019
and I, the guy that was out there with me,
1097
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:29.119
he and I pulled out our equipment. You can hear
1098
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:32.389
us talking about how the time had changed on both
1099
00:54:32.429 --> 00:54:36.409
of our pieces of equipment. We're watching the light moving
1100
00:54:36.489 --> 00:54:41.110
back and forth. It disappears. And then we got real quiet.
1101
00:54:42.269 --> 00:54:44.150
And we had pretty much been talking back and forth
1102
00:54:44.170 --> 00:54:45.659
the whole time. And I do remember there was a
1103
00:54:45.699 --> 00:54:47.619
time out there where I felt like I had fallen asleep,
1104
00:54:47.659 --> 00:54:49.460
but I couldn't remember because I felt like maybe I
1105
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:53.599
was just tired. We'd been out there for a long time. Well,
1106
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:57.900
in that recording, Around the time that we realized that
1107
00:54:57.940 --> 00:55:03.559
our equipment was malfunctioning and we got deadly silent, it
1108
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:06.690
sounded like bottle rockets were being shot off all around us.
1109
00:55:07.849 --> 00:55:14.710
It goes all around us. But see, he and I
1110
00:55:14.789 --> 00:55:22.000
never heard that with our own ears. So about a
1111
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:23.980
minute or two later, after we heard that, maybe a
1112
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:27.440
few minutes later, You can hear us start talking again
1113
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:33.070
like nothing ever happened. We just resumed a conversation. Now,
1114
00:55:34.170 --> 00:55:38.449
do I know what happened exactly? I don't. Well, I
1115
00:55:38.489 --> 00:55:42.809
didn't at the time. But the guys were able to
1116
00:55:42.829 --> 00:55:46.429
do a remote viewing session. Now, that incident is why
1117
00:55:46.489 --> 00:55:49.150
my entire team was trained in remote viewing. And I'm
1118
00:55:49.170 --> 00:55:52.710
talking about the type that our military uses. Military style
1119
00:55:52.750 --> 00:55:54.289
remote viewing, like the Ingo Swann.
1120
00:55:54.309 --> 00:55:57.889
The man who would stare at goats type stuff. Correct. Correct.
1121
00:55:58.329 --> 00:56:01.920
Uh, we spent the next several years, five, six plus years, uh,
1122
00:56:02.050 --> 00:56:07.340
as a team spending numerous weekends together, a lot of time, uh,
1123
00:56:07.469 --> 00:56:09.750
one-on-one out at an undisclosed location out in the middle
1124
00:56:09.789 --> 00:56:13.130
of nowhere, uh, in a house that had no wifi,
1125
00:56:13.190 --> 00:56:16.429
no internet, no, no technology there, uh, learning as a
1126
00:56:16.469 --> 00:56:20.349
team remote viewing, uh, based off those basically kind of
1127
00:56:20.369 --> 00:56:22.369
the same programs that the men that stare at goats
1128
00:56:22.730 --> 00:56:23.190
were learning.
1129
00:56:23.469 --> 00:56:23.789
Okay.
1130
00:56:24.010 --> 00:56:26.079
And, uh, And that's all I can say about that.
1131
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:30.320
But we did learn remote viewing. And this incident is why.
1132
00:56:30.699 --> 00:56:32.349
So that we can go back and look at the
1133
00:56:32.409 --> 00:56:35.849
incidents that happened to us. And plus be more psychically
1134
00:56:35.889 --> 00:56:39.190
switched on when we're out there doing our research. Because
1135
00:56:39.230 --> 00:56:41.989
when the two gentlemen went and did a remote viewing
1136
00:56:42.030 --> 00:56:43.769
session on what happened to us, because one of the
1137
00:56:43.809 --> 00:56:48.539
guys involved was with me, is a remote viewer. And
1138
00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:50.719
apparently that light that was on the side of that
1139
00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:57.250
mountain was a spacecraft, a triangular-shaped spacecraft. And it did
1140
00:56:57.289 --> 00:57:00.429
have a being inside of it. And what happened was
1141
00:57:00.449 --> 00:57:02.909
that it came over. It was detecting something in the
1142
00:57:02.949 --> 00:57:06.170
environment that wasn't supposed to be there. But it could
1143
00:57:06.230 --> 00:57:09.190
not find where we were. And it was us. It
1144
00:57:09.230 --> 00:57:12.070
was looking for us, he and I. And when it
1145
00:57:12.130 --> 00:57:15.889
finally honed in on us being there, it came and
1146
00:57:15.909 --> 00:57:19.920
it landed. It hovered right over both of us. it
1147
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:23.239
let down some sort of technology and a hologram popped
1148
00:57:23.300 --> 00:57:25.739
up on each of us from what I was told.
1149
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:29.550
They gave it some information. He and I were put
1150
00:57:29.590 --> 00:57:31.590
to sleep, by the way. It was almost like hypnotic.
1151
00:57:31.949 --> 00:57:34.849
Something happened to where there was missing time for he
1152
00:57:34.889 --> 00:57:38.309
and I. I don't think that we were abducted, but
1153
00:57:38.369 --> 00:57:41.389
it definitely checked us out. It checked us out and
1154
00:57:41.429 --> 00:57:46.070
we checked out. Okay. And it flew off. And that's
1155
00:57:46.110 --> 00:57:49.019
when we resumed talking to each other after that. So,
1156
00:57:49.949 --> 00:57:53.840
Whatever that was, I still don't know exactly what happened,
1157
00:57:53.860 --> 00:57:55.940
but that was what they remote viewed out of that incident.
1158
00:57:56.019 --> 00:58:00.739
So we, like I said, ever since that event, I
1159
00:58:00.780 --> 00:58:03.679
started having ETs showing up in my bedroom at night.
1160
00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:06.559
I haven't had that happen lately, but it did happen
1161
00:58:06.860 --> 00:58:08.599
for about five years after that.
1162
00:58:09.380 --> 00:58:11.380
Yeah. I don't know if I told it on your
1163
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:14.099
show or not, but I had an experience. One of
1164
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:17.079
them was missing time. The first one that really stood
1165
00:58:17.219 --> 00:58:19.769
out is when I was in high school. We'd moved
1166
00:58:19.829 --> 00:58:22.230
into a subdivision up the road from the farm we
1167
00:58:22.269 --> 00:58:26.050
used to live on. And subdivision had been done in
1168
00:58:26.139 --> 00:58:29.199
three phases. The first phase had been done for a while.
1169
00:58:29.659 --> 00:58:33.320
We lived in the second phase, which were new houses.
1170
00:58:33.420 --> 00:58:35.820
And then the third phase was still in developments. They
1171
00:58:35.860 --> 00:58:39.239
just had the paved road up there. It was still lots,
1172
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:43.690
wooded lots and things. And I was a junior in
1173
00:58:43.730 --> 00:58:46.829
high school, I think. And the kid up the street
1174
00:58:46.889 --> 00:58:49.639
was a sophomore. And we'd get out and ride BMX
1175
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:51.719
bikes together, and we'd go up there where there were
1176
00:58:51.739 --> 00:58:54.570
no traffic, no houses or anything, and ride around up there.
1177
00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:58.150
And it was in summertime, or maybe early fall. I
1178
00:58:58.170 --> 00:59:01.670
think school had just started back. And we rode up there,
1179
00:59:02.070 --> 00:59:07.190
and we were just riding along. And I was on
1180
00:59:07.349 --> 00:59:09.969
his left, so he would have been on my left.
1181
00:59:10.130 --> 00:59:12.429
my right. And I heard a noise up in the
1182
00:59:12.469 --> 00:59:15.699
woods where there were no houses or anything, just like
1183
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:18.900
I said, wooded lots. It was very metallic, like sound
1184
00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:21.219
like somebody slamming a car door or something, but out
1185
00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:23.760
in the woods. And I just turned my head and
1186
00:59:23.780 --> 00:59:26.619
looked up there. And then when I looked back, which
1187
00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:31.929
seemed instantaneous, We were going the other direction. He was
1188
00:59:31.969 --> 00:59:35.530
still on my right. We were still pedaling, but it
1189
00:59:35.570 --> 00:59:39.260
was dark. And I didn't say a word. I was
1190
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:42.239
kind of freaked out. He didn't say anything. We went
1191
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:44.519
on down the road, went down the hill. He went
1192
00:59:44.539 --> 00:59:46.739
in his driveway. I went up a block or so,
1193
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:49.460
went into mine, went in the house. And my parents
1194
00:59:49.500 --> 00:59:51.989
are like, where you been? We're getting worried about you.
1195
00:59:52.510 --> 00:59:54.630
And I said, I just out riding bikes with Danny.
1196
00:59:54.650 --> 00:59:59.909
And they said, like, it's almost 11 o'clock. And Jessica,
1197
00:59:59.969 --> 01:00:02.949
when we were up there, it was like 7.30, 8
1198
01:00:02.949 --> 01:00:06.250
o'clock max. So somewhere in there, I lost two or
1199
01:00:06.289 --> 01:00:09.730
three hours. Don't have any idea what happened, where I
1200
01:00:09.769 --> 01:00:13.940
was at, if I got probed or whatever. But then
1201
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:16.159
I heard that noise in the woods. Then the next
1202
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:18.980
thing I know, I'm riding the other direction. So like
1203
01:00:19.019 --> 01:00:20.820
whatever it was, it put me back on my bike
1204
01:00:20.860 --> 01:00:23.429
and gave me a shove, him too. And then I
1205
01:00:23.550 --> 01:00:26.119
asked him later on about that. And he said, I
1206
01:00:26.139 --> 01:00:27.659
thought that was just me. He said, I thought I
1207
01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:29.420
was losing my mind. He said, that's why I didn't
1208
01:00:29.460 --> 01:00:31.619
say a word. I went to my house and we
1209
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:34.699
both kind of pondered and sweated over what that was.
1210
01:00:34.739 --> 01:00:38.039
But we both experienced the same thing, the missing time.
1211
01:00:38.380 --> 01:00:40.019
To this day, I have no idea. And I've had
1212
01:00:40.079 --> 01:00:42.559
people say, you know, why don't you do a hypnotic
1213
01:00:42.619 --> 01:00:45.889
regression and see? I don't really want to know. I'm
1214
01:00:45.949 --> 01:00:51.289
sure it's not anything good. But that's the most intense
1215
01:00:52.269 --> 01:00:54.670
episode of missing time. I have had some when I
1216
01:00:54.710 --> 01:00:58.809
lived in Oregon. And I had another, just a tiny
1217
01:00:58.909 --> 01:01:02.809
one when I lived in Las Vegas. But it happens now.
1218
01:01:02.869 --> 01:01:04.269
I don't know if it's, you know, a glitch in
1219
01:01:04.289 --> 01:01:08.909
the matrix, if it's a time slip, when the timelines
1220
01:01:08.949 --> 01:01:11.250
come a little close together like pieces of silk and
1221
01:01:11.289 --> 01:01:13.389
you can kind of see one through the other and
1222
01:01:13.409 --> 01:01:16.239
then they part back. I don't know. But I've experienced
1223
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:19.760
and that's the most frightening, most disorienting thing when it's
1224
01:01:19.860 --> 01:01:22.440
over with. Because, you know, none of the times it happened,
1225
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:25.900
I didn't really realize that. what was happening as it happened,
1226
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:28.650
but it was later in retrospect, it was like, holy shit,
1227
01:01:28.670 --> 01:01:30.150
you know, I've got missing time.
1228
01:01:31.889 --> 01:01:32.130
Yeah.
1229
01:01:32.170 --> 01:01:34.250
You know, I'm, I'm with you on the not wanting
1230
01:01:34.269 --> 01:01:37.199
to get a regression done at some time. You know, I,
1231
01:01:37.289 --> 01:01:39.610
it's not that I don't, it's not that I'm not
1232
01:01:39.730 --> 01:01:41.679
ready for it. I just don't know if I even
1233
01:01:41.719 --> 01:01:44.920
want to know about some of this stuff. I do
1234
01:01:44.980 --> 01:01:46.659
think that I will, I will probably get one one
1235
01:01:46.699 --> 01:01:50.059
day because I've just had so many different encounters and
1236
01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:54.480
I have had that, that at least one missing time incident. Now, Steve,
1237
01:01:54.500 --> 01:01:58.059
I got to tell you something really strange. I was walking,
1238
01:01:58.079 --> 01:01:59.980
I was hiking into this place we call the meadow.
1239
01:02:00.179 --> 01:02:02.590
It's one of my research areas. And I had, I
1240
01:02:02.610 --> 01:02:05.409
was with one of my teammates and his daughter. And
1241
01:02:05.429 --> 01:02:08.610
we were walking into the field and it's a long
1242
01:02:08.670 --> 01:02:11.349
hike into this place. And you have to pass by,
1243
01:02:11.510 --> 01:02:14.639
you know, there's a water source nearby and, you know,
1244
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:18.139
running water, which makes night white noise, right? And as
1245
01:02:18.179 --> 01:02:21.929
we're walking past, this is dark, it's at night. We're
1246
01:02:21.969 --> 01:02:24.570
walking past this water source. We come to this water source.
1247
01:02:25.449 --> 01:02:29.429
And as I'm hiking, I'm in the, I think I'm
1248
01:02:29.449 --> 01:02:32.230
in the middle. Okay. And there's, you know, one person's
1249
01:02:32.269 --> 01:02:34.329
behind me, one person's in front of me. And I
1250
01:02:34.389 --> 01:02:37.690
hear from across this water source, I hear a woman's voice.
1251
01:02:37.730 --> 01:02:43.469
She goes, time travel, just really loud. And I stopped
1252
01:02:43.489 --> 01:02:46.389
and I said, Hey, did y'all hear that? And neither
1253
01:02:46.449 --> 01:02:50.630
of them heard that woman's voice. And I thought, man, OK, well,
1254
01:02:50.650 --> 01:02:53.710
that's really freaking weird. What the heck? Well, then how
1255
01:02:53.730 --> 01:02:55.449
did I hear that? Now, I just I sat there
1256
01:02:55.469 --> 01:02:56.909
and I was like, are you sure you didn't just
1257
01:02:56.949 --> 01:03:00.849
hear that? Because I heard a woman clearly say time travel. Now,
1258
01:03:00.889 --> 01:03:02.329
this is a place where we have a lot of
1259
01:03:02.429 --> 01:03:06.929
really strange things that happen. The portal incident happened there.
1260
01:03:07.610 --> 01:03:10.179
We've had some of our teammates turn into a ball
1261
01:03:10.219 --> 01:03:14.159
of light and shoot across the field and like on
1262
01:03:14.219 --> 01:03:17.119
a on a fleer. I mean, just weird stuff has
1263
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:19.570
been happening in this meadow for a while. But I
1264
01:03:19.630 --> 01:03:22.670
heard this woman's voice say time travel. And it was
1265
01:03:22.710 --> 01:03:27.329
about two weeks later, maybe a month later. I was
1266
01:03:27.389 --> 01:03:33.489
sitting there pondering this and I realized that was my voice. OK,
1267
01:03:33.510 --> 01:03:35.449
that was my voice from across the creek.
1268
01:03:35.550 --> 01:03:38.539
Oh, no, that's really freaky. Now I've covered missing person
1269
01:03:38.579 --> 01:03:41.300
cases like that where they've heard the voice of a
1270
01:03:41.340 --> 01:03:43.840
loved one either coming out of the woods or coming
1271
01:03:43.900 --> 01:03:45.980
out of a cave. But there was one guy that
1272
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:50.130
I talked to that heard himself calling to himself. trying
1273
01:03:50.150 --> 01:03:52.329
to get himself to cross a river or something like,
1274
01:03:52.349 --> 01:03:54.929
come on, you can do it. You know, that's just that.
1275
01:03:54.989 --> 01:03:59.510
I know there's things out there that are mimics. But,
1276
01:03:59.550 --> 01:04:03.030
you know, if I hear my voice or somebody, anybody's
1277
01:04:03.070 --> 01:04:05.050
voice coming out of a cave, I'm going to turn
1278
01:04:05.070 --> 01:04:06.849
around and run the other way just because I know
1279
01:04:06.909 --> 01:04:09.789
what's out there, you know, or don't know what's out there.
1280
01:04:09.809 --> 01:04:13.110
Should you want to phrase it that way? But that's
1281
01:04:13.150 --> 01:04:15.929
scary that it was your voice telling you that you
1282
01:04:16.329 --> 01:04:19.230
either had or were about to time travel. How strange.
1283
01:04:19.809 --> 01:04:24.710
Yeah, well, time travel comes up a lot in my
1284
01:04:24.789 --> 01:04:28.710
research and just time in general. I'm not sure exactly
1285
01:04:29.989 --> 01:04:32.900
what it's all about, but I've been focusing a lot
1286
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:37.880
on time travel, timelines, timeline shifts. A lot of time
1287
01:04:38.460 --> 01:04:40.400
is coming up in my research. And I wanted to
1288
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:42.059
kind of backtrack a little bit because you had mentioned
1289
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:44.960
what you thought. You thought you heard a car door
1290
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:47.659
slam when you were having that missing time incident when
1291
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:48.280
you were a kid.
1292
01:04:48.739 --> 01:04:51.539
Yeah, something metallic, and that's kind of the only thing
1293
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:54.840
I could liken it to was an older car, like 60s,
1294
01:04:54.940 --> 01:04:58.059
70s automobile, you know, when they had that nice solid
1295
01:04:58.139 --> 01:05:01.179
close to it. It wasn't these little doors like these days, but,
1296
01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:04.719
you know, a slam, you know, a big chunk.
1297
01:05:05.530 --> 01:05:09.650
Okay, well, we were out at this place in another
1298
01:05:09.690 --> 01:05:11.650
one of our locations that we do some research in,
1299
01:05:11.690 --> 01:05:13.789
and You know, we always got as a team and,
1300
01:05:14.130 --> 01:05:16.269
you know, we got a lot of us go hike
1301
01:05:16.369 --> 01:05:18.210
in and we do our research out there. And we
1302
01:05:18.230 --> 01:05:20.670
always have somebody back at base camp that is holding
1303
01:05:20.710 --> 01:05:25.110
down the radios and just kind of just holding down
1304
01:05:25.150 --> 01:05:26.510
our base camp is what we call it. And it's
1305
01:05:26.570 --> 01:05:29.130
usually Bob. Bob has passed away. He passed away a
1306
01:05:29.150 --> 01:05:32.369
few months ago. Grumpy is what we call him. And
1307
01:05:32.409 --> 01:05:35.590
Grumpy would usually, you know, at some point I started
1308
01:05:35.630 --> 01:05:38.369
staying back at base camp where Grumpy because we get
1309
01:05:38.429 --> 01:05:42.050
more people. activity back at base camp a lot of
1310
01:05:42.090 --> 01:05:44.369
times when we're out in the field because so much
1311
01:05:44.409 --> 01:05:48.710
happens there and one night he we were all out
1312
01:05:49.070 --> 01:05:51.309
doing our thing hiking around the woods and doing our
1313
01:05:51.329 --> 01:05:54.449
research and bob was back at base camp and he
1314
01:05:54.510 --> 01:05:56.739
said that he was hearing a car sound like a
1315
01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:59.900
car that was driving down the road and we're out
1316
01:05:59.920 --> 01:06:02.480
in the middle of nowhere okay but we were a
1317
01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:05.199
lot of places we go we're able to get our
1318
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:09.239
cars there we'll do some car camping um and there's
1319
01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:12.099
there are like roads, like little roads, like little dirt
1320
01:06:12.139 --> 01:06:14.280
roads and stuff. And he said that he was hearing
1321
01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:18.500
a car rolling slowly down that road, but there were
1322
01:06:18.539 --> 01:06:21.639
no lights. So what he did, because he was there
1323
01:06:21.659 --> 01:06:24.360
by himself. So he got his FLIR out, which is
1324
01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:27.340
like a thermal imaging device. And he was looking for
1325
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:30.619
a car, but there were no cars, right? There was
1326
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:32.860
nothing out there. He even walked up to the road.
1327
01:06:32.900 --> 01:06:35.760
He was looking and he's a search and rescue guy, former,
1328
01:06:36.010 --> 01:06:39.340
you know, Navy guy, one of the he's the head
1329
01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:42.300
of the north georgia cryptid field researchers i mean just
1330
01:06:42.619 --> 01:06:45.909
the boots on the ground cryptid field researcher of of
1331
01:06:46.610 --> 01:06:50.809
a lifetime he's he's amazing but he if nothing got
1332
01:06:50.849 --> 01:06:53.829
past him nothing and he said that he was sitting
1333
01:06:53.849 --> 01:06:56.510
there waiting for a car to turn their lights on
1334
01:06:56.530 --> 01:06:59.139
because he kept hearing it and the next thing he
1335
01:06:59.179 --> 01:07:02.039
knows he hears a car door slam just like how
1336
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:05.110
you described And he said, but there were no cars
1337
01:07:05.190 --> 01:07:07.110
out there. He looked up and down that road. There
1338
01:07:07.130 --> 01:07:08.429
were no cars there.
1339
01:07:08.860 --> 01:07:11.059
See, that was the thing about this. It had been
1340
01:07:11.099 --> 01:07:13.300
an old farm at one time, but there wasn't anything
1341
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:16.000
up in there. I mean, it was literally just woods.
1342
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:18.039
There was no place that a car could have been
1343
01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:20.699
unless it was in the middle of the woods and
1344
01:07:20.739 --> 01:07:22.280
no way to get up there. That was the weird
1345
01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:25.789
thing about it because it was a displaced sound. Creepy.
1346
01:07:26.010 --> 01:07:28.789
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt your story. Because
1347
01:07:28.809 --> 01:07:30.809
that just resonated with me right there.
1348
01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:33.889
Well, that was resonating with me when you said that
1349
01:07:33.949 --> 01:07:37.010
about what happened to you, because that was a big deal.
1350
01:07:37.070 --> 01:07:38.690
And when we all got back to base camp, we
1351
01:07:38.809 --> 01:07:41.210
actually went hiking down the road because when we got back,
1352
01:07:41.789 --> 01:07:43.550
we were also hearing a cat meowing.
1353
01:07:43.570 --> 01:07:44.440
Okay.
1354
01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:47.400
And yes, there are bobcats in the woods. It could
1355
01:07:47.420 --> 01:07:48.579
have been a bobcat.
1356
01:07:48.900 --> 01:07:53.599
In both my Strange World book and in my Strange
1357
01:07:53.619 --> 01:07:55.760
Things in the Woods book, ghost kittens has been a
1358
01:07:55.820 --> 01:07:59.190
recurring theme in my life. Really? Yeah.
1359
01:07:59.429 --> 01:08:00.869
Well, we're going to have to bring you out with
1360
01:08:00.929 --> 01:08:03.190
us sometime. You need to come, you know, go do
1361
01:08:03.230 --> 01:08:06.519
some cryptic research with this. You'd fit right in. We
1362
01:08:06.539 --> 01:08:08.619
were hearing a cat and we all can hear it.
1363
01:08:08.699 --> 01:08:11.519
I haven't in a long time, but yeah, I've run
1364
01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:16.359
into elementals and water sprites and face spirits and all
1365
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:19.390
kinds of things. Had a couple of brushes with a
1366
01:08:19.510 --> 01:08:22.409
big foot, but that's a story for another time.
1367
01:08:23.550 --> 01:08:27.369
Well, you know, I don't know about you. I know
1368
01:08:27.449 --> 01:08:29.890
you've covered a lot of stories and stuff and people
1369
01:08:29.909 --> 01:08:33.470
who have had missing time and abduction experiences. Sometimes it
1370
01:08:33.529 --> 01:08:36.909
runs in the family. And so I have a quick
1371
01:08:36.949 --> 01:08:40.789
story to tell because back in the 1980s, my great
1372
01:08:40.869 --> 01:08:44.029
grandmother of all people, great grandmother and my great aunt
1373
01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:47.479
were riding down the road. They were in my great
1374
01:08:47.500 --> 01:08:50.359
grandmother's vehicle and they were driving down the road in
1375
01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:54.399
Northwest Georgia in a place called Rome, Rome, Georgia. And
1376
01:08:55.750 --> 01:08:58.619
They were on a country, like a highway out in
1377
01:08:58.649 --> 01:09:01.060
the country and they were driving and They said, and
1378
01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:04.079
they never talked about this a whole lot. I had
1379
01:09:04.100 --> 01:09:05.920
to ask them about this because somebody else in my
1380
01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:08.899
family had told me. And these are two very devout
1381
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:13.930
Christian women. They both passed away since this happened over
1382
01:09:13.989 --> 01:09:17.600
the past, you know, 10 years. But They had a
1383
01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:21.369
story that they attributed to angels moving them out of
1384
01:09:21.430 --> 01:09:27.550
harm's way. However, however, they were in their car driving
1385
01:09:27.569 --> 01:09:29.789
down the road at night. They said that a light
1386
01:09:29.869 --> 01:09:34.039
came down from the sky. It enveloped their entire car.
1387
01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:36.619
And they said they looked up and they saw a light.
1388
01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:40.119
It was emanating from directly above their car. They said
1389
01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:44.600
the next thing they know, they were two counties over.
1390
01:09:44.859 --> 01:09:48.310
I believe they said two counties over. It was 20
1391
01:09:48.310 --> 01:09:52.119
miles down the road and over an hour had passed,
1392
01:09:52.920 --> 01:09:54.560
but it was in an instant and they don't know
1393
01:09:54.619 --> 01:09:58.039
how they got there and why it was so far
1394
01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:00.600
ahead in time. They said that the only thing they
1395
01:10:00.619 --> 01:10:03.859
could think of was that God had sent his angels
1396
01:10:03.899 --> 01:10:06.239
down to take them out of harm's way because there
1397
01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:08.350
probably was a wreck that they had avoided.
1398
01:10:08.649 --> 01:10:14.029
I've heard similar stories about things like that in other places.
1399
01:10:14.729 --> 01:10:18.670
where they saw the light and found themselves somewhere else
1400
01:10:18.729 --> 01:10:22.060
and thought that that's almost the same exact story, but
1401
01:10:22.100 --> 01:10:24.800
just in a different location, that they thought there was
1402
01:10:24.859 --> 01:10:29.779
some catastrophic event that they had missed by being transported,
1403
01:10:29.939 --> 01:10:34.390
if you will. That's interesting. I find that fascinating. Jessica,
1404
01:10:34.430 --> 01:10:37.170
let's take a break real quick. We'll be right back
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01:10:37.329 --> 01:10:38.890
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And that's Lee G from First Floor Audio bringing us
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01:11:55.859 --> 01:11:59.369
back out of the break there with a calm before
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01:11:59.430 --> 01:12:03.350
the storm. We're talking with Jessica Jones, the cryptid huntress.
1423
01:12:04.770 --> 01:12:08.310
Where were we at, Jessica? We were talking about missing
1424
01:12:08.380 --> 01:12:13.579
time and auto relocation in Rome, Georgia, that some of
1425
01:12:13.619 --> 01:12:18.159
your relatives experienced there. Interesting thing about Rome, there's seven
1426
01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:21.119
hills there and rivers and stuff that played a big
1427
01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:23.979
part during the Civil War. And then during the Indian
1428
01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:26.800
Removal Act in the 1830s, I did a little research here.
1429
01:12:27.180 --> 01:12:29.960
So it is kind of a strange place there. What
1430
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:34.079
better place? And it talks about a triangular area there between,
1431
01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:38.359
let's see, what was it, Birmingham, Chattanooga, and Atlanta. So
1432
01:12:38.380 --> 01:12:41.579
maybe there's a Georgia Triangle that I wasn't aware of.
1433
01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:43.840
That's something I've found a lot of in my research.
1434
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:47.819
There's an Alaskan Triangle, of course, the Bermuda Triangle. There's
1435
01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:50.260
a couple different triangles up here in New England where
1436
01:12:50.279 --> 01:12:55.000
I'm at now, the Bridgewater Triangle. there's something about the triangles.
1437
01:12:55.020 --> 01:12:57.279
I don't know if you've done any research, if you've
1438
01:12:57.319 --> 01:12:59.920
delved into any of that, but it definitely sounds like
1439
01:12:59.939 --> 01:13:02.119
there's something going on in that area down there.
1440
01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:05.239
I have, and I love that. I love that you
1441
01:13:05.260 --> 01:13:09.239
said that's the Georgia Triangle. Absolutely. That's one of my
1442
01:13:09.260 --> 01:13:15.159
research areas, actually. And it's, let's see, right underneath Chattanooga, actually.
1443
01:13:15.180 --> 01:13:17.619
It's not too far from Chattanooga. It's just south of Chattanooga.
1444
01:13:19.090 --> 01:13:21.810
Rome is near a place called Trinidad. Tryon as well,
1445
01:13:22.310 --> 01:13:27.510
near the Chickamauga battlefield. And you and I, Steve, talked
1446
01:13:28.229 --> 01:13:29.390
about the old green.
1447
01:13:29.289 --> 01:13:29.550
Eyes, right?
1448
01:13:29.569 --> 01:13:33.430
Yeah, down there, the old green eyes, Snodgrass Hill, the
1449
01:13:33.489 --> 01:13:37.829
tower there. That's a frightening, frightening place down there. And
1450
01:13:37.850 --> 01:13:40.949
there was a story that I'd heard that old green eyes,
1451
01:13:41.029 --> 01:13:43.689
whatever kind of beast or creature that is, that it
1452
01:13:43.729 --> 01:13:47.060
was in there flitting around among the dead and dying people. Well,
1453
01:13:47.140 --> 01:13:49.619
the battle was going on. So whatever that was, it's
1454
01:13:49.739 --> 01:13:53.520
been there and it's still there. From what I gather,
1455
01:13:53.539 --> 01:13:56.960
I've talked to park employees and things that say there's
1456
01:13:57.000 --> 01:13:58.739
something to that and there's something there.
1457
01:13:59.970 --> 01:14:02.430
There's something there. Actually, Old Green Eyes was eating the
1458
01:14:02.489 --> 01:14:08.350
corpses of the dead soldiers during the battle and afterward. Because,
1459
01:14:08.369 --> 01:14:11.729
you know, 34,000 men died over a three-day battle there.
1460
01:14:12.569 --> 01:14:18.529
So you can imagine the bloodshed, the trauma. of that
1461
01:14:18.810 --> 01:14:23.329
just it's unimaginable honestly now there is a beautiful memorial
1462
01:14:23.829 --> 01:14:25.850
there at the battlefield it's a beautiful place but even
1463
01:14:25.869 --> 01:14:31.510
to this day suicides take place on that battlefield people
1464
01:14:31.529 --> 01:14:33.989
go up to the tower and commit suicide from what
1465
01:14:34.029 --> 01:14:36.460
I was told now it took them it took them
1466
01:14:36.500 --> 01:14:39.819
months to bury all of those bodies there in that
1467
01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:43.640
land and you gotta imagine I mean there's a lot
1468
01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:46.140
of hauntings that go on there and not to mention
1469
01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:49.479
There was a gentleman named Anton LaVey.
1470
01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:50.220
Okay.
1471
01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:51.460
You might've heard of him.
1472
01:14:52.359 --> 01:14:52.500
Oh yeah.
1473
01:14:52.520 --> 01:14:52.600
Yeah.
1474
01:14:52.689 --> 01:14:55.149
Research into some of his stuff. I have a couple
1475
01:14:55.170 --> 01:14:57.310
of pastors that come on and we talk about the
1476
01:14:58.069 --> 01:15:00.850
cult influence and rock and roll and pop culture and stuff.
1477
01:15:00.909 --> 01:15:05.590
And yeah, we've mentioned Mr. LaVey along with Alistair Crowley. Okay.
1478
01:15:05.670 --> 01:15:09.010
Well, there were two gentlemen that came down from Chicago.
1479
01:15:09.409 --> 01:15:09.609
All right.
1480
01:15:09.649 --> 01:15:12.869
All of them came down to Georgia. Okay. I'm just kidding.
1481
01:15:13.550 --> 01:15:16.869
But they had a Dr. Charles Scudder. And Joseph Odom,
1482
01:15:17.029 --> 01:15:20.430
I think were their names. And Dr. Scudder actually was
1483
01:15:20.470 --> 01:15:24.979
a professor at Chicago University. He was credited with coming
1484
01:15:25.029 --> 01:15:29.420
up with LSD-25 or something like that. Kind of psychedelic, right?
1485
01:15:29.819 --> 01:15:32.239
Yeah. Let me interrupt you one second there. Your audio
1486
01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:34.300
is kind of breaking up. I'm going to take you
1487
01:15:34.340 --> 01:15:35.619
out and put you right back in and see if
1488
01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:39.729
that'll fix it. Give me just a second. And then
1489
01:15:39.750 --> 01:15:41.470
I'll edit this out. Okay, let's try that.
1490
01:15:41.489 --> 01:15:43.390
Okay. Is that better?
1491
01:15:43.850 --> 01:15:45.590
Yeah, sounds like it. Sorry.
1492
01:15:45.609 --> 01:15:45.750
Okay.
1493
01:15:45.770 --> 01:15:49.310
Do you want me to start back where I left off?
1494
01:15:50.770 --> 01:15:56.649
Yeah. It's still chattering just a little bit, but I think. Okay.
1495
01:15:57.060 --> 01:15:58.800
Let's see. I've got my Yeti mic on here.
1496
01:15:58.819 --> 01:16:01.239
Is there something going on on your end or here?
1497
01:16:01.659 --> 01:16:03.319
Can you hear me okay? Is there any stuttering?
1498
01:16:03.380 --> 01:16:04.100
I can hear you fine.
1499
01:16:04.420 --> 01:16:04.680
Okay.
1500
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:06.500
I can hear you. Is that any better?
1501
01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:08.760
There's just a little bit of interference there. I'm not
1502
01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:09.680
sure what it is.
1503
01:16:09.699 --> 01:16:12.850
Let me make sure there's nothing turned on here.
1504
01:16:14.130 --> 01:16:14.329
Okay.
1505
01:16:14.369 --> 01:16:16.369
I don't hear it on my end. I'm sorry. I'm
1506
01:16:16.390 --> 01:16:17.310
trying to figure out what's going on.
1507
01:16:17.670 --> 01:16:19.649
Yeah, it was fine until we went to the break.
1508
01:16:19.689 --> 01:16:21.529
So I don't think it was anything that I did
1509
01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:24.600
because I didn't shut anything off. I just played the
1510
01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:27.000
music in the background and I've stopped all that, turned
1511
01:16:27.060 --> 01:16:30.079
all that off and played a commercial. Okay.
1512
01:16:30.100 --> 01:16:32.619
I'm trying to make sure my microphone is good here.
1513
01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:33.319
Okay.
1514
01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:36.020
Is it still messed up?
1515
01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:38.840
Just a little bit. There's a little crackle in there
1516
01:16:38.859 --> 01:16:42.750
and I'm hearing some microphone noise like You're like moving
1517
01:16:42.770 --> 01:16:43.529
around or something.
1518
01:16:43.649 --> 01:16:45.770
Oh, you know what? I might have changed my mic setting.
1519
01:16:45.810 --> 01:16:47.119
Hold on one second. Let me check.
1520
01:16:47.659 --> 01:16:47.840
Yeah.
1521
01:16:47.859 --> 01:16:51.760
Because it might be on. It says Yeti-O. Okay, I'm
1522
01:16:51.819 --> 01:16:53.819
on my Yeti. All right.
1523
01:16:53.939 --> 01:16:54.460
And then.
1524
01:16:56.020 --> 01:17:00.590
Headphones. Okay. Yeah, I'm on my Yeti. So maybe I
1525
01:17:00.590 --> 01:17:02.350
should unplug my Yeti real quick. Hold on one second.
1526
01:17:02.369 --> 01:17:02.609
Okay.
1527
01:17:03.229 --> 01:17:04.789
Okay. That's okay.
1528
01:17:06.270 --> 01:17:07.050
Okay. Can you hear me?
1529
01:17:07.930 --> 01:17:09.810
Yeah. That sounds better now, I believe.
1530
01:17:10.659 --> 01:17:13.520
I did a little tweak in there with the microphone.
1531
01:17:13.779 --> 01:17:14.140
Okay.
1532
01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:16.460
Hopefully that's better. Are we good?
1533
01:17:16.779 --> 01:17:18.260
Seems to be. Yeah. Sorry about that.
1534
01:17:18.659 --> 01:17:18.899
Okay.
1535
01:17:18.939 --> 01:17:23.279
No, I'm sorry. It's my bad. No telling. What are
1536
01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:24.199
we talking about? Chickamauga?
1537
01:17:24.779 --> 01:17:28.170
Yeah, we're talking about the devil went down to Georgia.
1538
01:17:28.210 --> 01:17:30.609
There's a talk about Anton LaVey.
1539
01:17:30.649 --> 01:17:33.170
So Anton LaVey. So let's talk about Anton LaVey a
1540
01:17:33.189 --> 01:17:36.510
little bit. So there are two gentlemen that came down
1541
01:17:36.529 --> 01:17:41.470
from Chicago, Dr. Charles Scudder and Joseph Odom. And they
1542
01:17:41.970 --> 01:17:48.270
came down to a very heavily forested area from Chicago. Dr.
1543
01:17:48.949 --> 01:17:52.369
Charles Gutter had something to do with the creation of
1544
01:17:52.409 --> 01:17:55.729
some form of LSD 25. I do believe that's what
1545
01:17:55.750 --> 01:17:59.449
it was. And he took whatever kind of money he
1546
01:17:59.470 --> 01:18:02.409
had made from that and left his family. Actually, he
1547
01:18:02.430 --> 01:18:05.930
was married with some kids. He left his family up
1548
01:18:05.970 --> 01:18:10.029
in Chicago, and he and his love interest, let's just say,
1549
01:18:11.239 --> 01:18:14.579
Joseph came down to Georgia, and they decided they were
1550
01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:17.279
going to live off the grid and build a home
1551
01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:23.189
with their bare hands, brick by brick, up in northwest Georgia. Well,
1552
01:18:23.210 --> 01:18:26.350
they found a plot of land. They went and they
1553
01:18:26.869 --> 01:18:28.670
built this house. They called it the Castle in the Woods.
1554
01:18:29.750 --> 01:18:30.569
I believe it was.
1555
01:18:30.510 --> 01:18:33.869
Later called Corpsewood Manor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead and
1556
01:18:33.909 --> 01:18:36.010
tell that story. This is fascinating.
1557
01:18:36.069 --> 01:18:39.850
So they built this place. They called it Corpsewood Manor. Well,
1558
01:18:40.090 --> 01:18:41.970
they didn't do it on their own. OK, like they
1559
01:18:41.989 --> 01:18:44.000
did it on their own, building it down there. But
1560
01:18:44.539 --> 01:18:48.649
it turns out they had a little guidance from Anton LaVey,
1561
01:18:48.670 --> 01:18:52.279
the head of the Church of Satan. came down. Now, Dr.
1562
01:18:52.340 --> 01:18:55.279
Charles Scudder was a Satanist.
1563
01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:55.739
Okay.
1564
01:18:55.770 --> 01:18:57.359
They, they did. He was part of the church of
1565
01:18:57.399 --> 01:19:00.789
Satan from what I've been told. I think they kind
1566
01:19:00.810 --> 01:19:02.220
of denied it. And he was like, I'm not a,
1567
01:19:02.649 --> 01:19:04.590
I don't worship the devil. You know, I am. I
1568
01:19:05.869 --> 01:19:09.010
just worship myself. Basically is what he said. Now it
1569
01:19:09.050 --> 01:19:11.789
was really, odd because try on if you know anything
1570
01:19:12.250 --> 01:19:15.430
about north georgia and small towns it's like mayberry okay
1571
01:19:15.449 --> 01:19:19.229
if you watch uh what does that show this is
1572
01:19:19.260 --> 01:19:24.020
the mayberry um small town they didn't probably take too
1573
01:19:24.060 --> 01:19:26.600
well to people who had pentagrams painted on the side
1574
01:19:26.619 --> 01:19:30.439
of their jeep and that's what dr charles had and
1575
01:19:30.539 --> 01:19:32.510
uh and joseph they had a pentagram i think it
1576
01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:34.789
was like a black jeep with the pink pentagram painted
1577
01:19:34.829 --> 01:19:37.489
on the side of their truck and they would ride
1578
01:19:37.510 --> 01:19:40.039
around try on and let me tell you They were,
1579
01:19:40.060 --> 01:19:42.560
I don't want to say pillars of the community, but
1580
01:19:42.590 --> 01:19:46.630
they were pretty respected there for the most part. They were,
1581
01:19:46.649 --> 01:19:49.930
I don't know if they were philanthropists or what, but
1582
01:19:49.949 --> 01:19:52.130
they got along with everybody in town pretty well, other
1583
01:19:52.149 --> 01:19:55.289
than the fact they were kind of eccentric. They were
1584
01:19:55.350 --> 01:19:58.489
known as Satanists, and they would have parties at their
1585
01:19:59.859 --> 01:20:02.180
castle in the woods. Now, like I said, they didn't
1586
01:20:02.220 --> 01:20:06.359
have a whole lot of, it wasn't super fancy. They
1587
01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:08.029
did build that place by themselves. So it was a
1588
01:20:08.050 --> 01:20:10.310
very beautiful place. But this is, you got to think
1589
01:20:10.350 --> 01:20:13.939
about it. Okay, so Anton LaVey actually showed them exactly
1590
01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:16.760
where to put their house. Now, this is a legend.
1591
01:20:16.779 --> 01:20:19.399
This is something I was, I don't know for sure
1592
01:20:19.739 --> 01:20:22.060
this happened, but this is the story behind it, is
1593
01:20:22.140 --> 01:20:24.739
that Anton LaVey came down and showed them the exact
1594
01:20:24.779 --> 01:20:28.770
spot to put their home. Okay, to this day, that
1595
01:20:28.810 --> 01:20:30.649
is actually a place where my team, I've been there
1596
01:20:30.670 --> 01:20:33.569
at least once, twice to do some research down there.
1597
01:20:33.970 --> 01:20:38.930
And let me tell you, that land requires blood. And
1598
01:20:38.970 --> 01:20:43.590
I know that for down there. And so what happened
1599
01:20:43.609 --> 01:20:46.069
with these two gentlemen is they were having these parties
1600
01:20:46.130 --> 01:20:49.640
out there, piece of property. People from the town would
1601
01:20:49.649 --> 01:20:55.520
come in and they would drink wine. And sometimes the
1602
01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:58.539
wine would have a little bit of that, that, that,
1603
01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:02.029
you know, LSD 25 or whatever, I guess was in it.
1604
01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:04.220
They just have big parties and they had a room
1605
01:21:04.300 --> 01:21:07.140
above the chicken coop called the pink room and some,
1606
01:21:08.189 --> 01:21:10.840
I said seedy earlier. I was talking about the Claremont Lounge. Well,
1607
01:21:10.989 --> 01:21:13.340
some of that kind of stuff was going down. Some
1608
01:21:13.420 --> 01:21:15.699
stuff was going down at their house. They were having
1609
01:21:15.739 --> 01:21:19.359
a bunch of wild parties at night and probably during
1610
01:21:19.380 --> 01:21:23.880
the day too. Who knows? And at some point, a
1611
01:21:24.020 --> 01:21:25.619
lot of people thought, well, these guys had a lot
1612
01:21:25.659 --> 01:21:27.979
of money. They had a lot of young, especially young
1613
01:21:28.039 --> 01:21:31.020
men that would come around and go drink and just
1614
01:21:31.060 --> 01:21:33.340
kind of hang out and go to these parties that
1615
01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:38.189
they would have. And at some point, And by the way,
1616
01:21:38.619 --> 01:21:40.590
they did decorate this place. It wasn't just like a
1617
01:21:40.649 --> 01:21:43.369
primitive cabin. They called it the castle in the woods.
1618
01:21:43.449 --> 01:21:46.789
It had stained glass windows. It had Baphomet, the five
1619
01:21:46.869 --> 01:21:51.029
pointed stars, very like satanic symbolism and stuff on their
1620
01:21:51.050 --> 01:21:52.850
windows there. And they had two dogs. I think they
1621
01:21:52.890 --> 01:21:56.710
were Great Danes or Mastiffs. And one of the dogs
1622
01:21:56.729 --> 01:21:57.689
name was Beezlebub.
1623
01:21:58.430 --> 01:21:58.710
Okay.
1624
01:21:58.890 --> 01:22:02.399
If that gives you any indication of what was on there.
1625
01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:05.750
So, Dr.
1626
01:22:05.770 --> 01:22:09.569
Scudder had actually drawn a self-portrait of himself. He had
1627
01:22:09.789 --> 01:22:11.989
painted a portrait of himself. And he said that was
1628
01:22:12.010 --> 01:22:14.369
going to be the way he died. And it was
1629
01:22:14.409 --> 01:22:17.260
him being strangled and shot in the head, I think.
1630
01:22:18.659 --> 01:22:22.000
Really dark, really weird stuff, right? But he had this
1631
01:22:22.079 --> 01:22:24.460
portrait hanging up in his house that he had painted himself.
1632
01:22:24.539 --> 01:22:26.260
And he said, well, this, you know, he said, that's
1633
01:22:26.300 --> 01:22:30.409
the way I'm going to die. And one night, I guess,
1634
01:22:31.579 --> 01:22:34.500
There were a couple of guys, two men and two
1635
01:22:34.619 --> 01:22:38.840
young men and a female, I think. They had actually had,
1636
01:22:39.020 --> 01:22:40.899
they plotted, one of the guys had plotted, I forgot
1637
01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:43.520
his name, but he had plotted to go and steal,
1638
01:22:44.079 --> 01:22:46.079
like hold them up, rob them at gunpoint and take
1639
01:22:46.140 --> 01:22:48.260
everything they had, go up there, act like they were
1640
01:22:48.279 --> 01:22:49.739
going to go party and hang out. But then they
1641
01:22:49.770 --> 01:22:52.109
were going to rob Joseph and Dr.
1642
01:22:52.130 --> 01:22:52.449
Scudder.
1643
01:22:53.409 --> 01:22:56.710
And they got up there. Things went completely south when
1644
01:22:56.729 --> 01:23:00.750
they got there. And the guy ended up shooting, killing Joseph.
1645
01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:05.479
both men and their dogs. And it was a gruesome,
1646
01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:09.369
gruesome unaliving up there. And, and it was, it was
1647
01:23:09.409 --> 01:23:12.670
really bad. The guys went on the run. There's this
1648
01:23:12.949 --> 01:23:16.850
whole story behind that, but it, it made national news.
1649
01:23:17.350 --> 01:23:17.550
Okay.
1650
01:23:17.590 --> 01:23:20.310
This was a big deal when this happened. And it
1651
01:23:20.350 --> 01:23:23.880
turns out Dr. Scudder did die the same way he
1652
01:23:23.899 --> 01:23:28.350
had painted himself dying. Okay. Well, Of course, you know,
1653
01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:30.420
months later after all this went down and there was
1654
01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:33.180
that brutal unaliving there by, you know, the two men
1655
01:23:33.220 --> 01:23:37.239
and their two dogs. The town was pretty, you know,
1656
01:23:38.180 --> 01:23:41.000
taken aback by all this and they called it Devil
1657
01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:44.439
Worshippers Mountain. So this place had become known and it's
1658
01:23:44.460 --> 01:23:48.060
still known to this day as Devil Worshippers Mountain. And
1659
01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:50.899
somebody went in there eventually and burned it to the ground.
1660
01:23:52.199 --> 01:23:54.479
So this piece of property there has been burned down.
1661
01:23:56.170 --> 01:23:58.729
down it's only the ruins are left and there is
1662
01:23:58.789 --> 01:24:01.310
a pink gargoyle there's a gargoyle there are gargoyles all
1663
01:24:01.350 --> 01:24:03.670
over that place okay they it was it was actually
1664
01:24:04.390 --> 01:24:07.670
quite beautiful um now i went there a few years
1665
01:24:07.689 --> 01:24:10.470
ago it was about 10 11 years ago with my
1666
01:24:10.529 --> 01:24:11.979
team the same guys that i was out there doing
1667
01:24:12.029 --> 01:24:14.199
i do the bigfoot research with we went up there
1668
01:24:14.260 --> 01:24:20.350
for an investigation and we got there We set up
1669
01:24:20.390 --> 01:24:22.310
our recorders all over the place when we got there.
1670
01:24:22.350 --> 01:24:24.909
We're all trackers. We've been training and tracking. Those guys
1671
01:24:24.930 --> 01:24:27.550
have been tracking their whole lives. And we could see
1672
01:24:27.569 --> 01:24:29.359
when we got into this place that it looked like
1673
01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:31.680
a herd of elephants had run out of there all
1674
01:24:31.699 --> 01:24:34.520
at once. And see, here's the thing about this place
1675
01:24:34.579 --> 01:24:37.880
is that the locals, it's kind of a place where
1676
01:24:37.899 --> 01:24:40.689
the kids, the teenagers will go up there and they'll
1677
01:24:40.710 --> 01:24:43.569
go to do a seance or get scared or something.
1678
01:24:44.520 --> 01:24:46.380
Just to go see if there's any ghosts in the woods,
1679
01:24:46.420 --> 01:24:48.880
any boogers, any kind of cryptids. But we do get
1680
01:24:48.920 --> 01:24:50.699
a lot of cryptid reports from that area. We get
1681
01:24:50.739 --> 01:24:56.300
dogman sightings, werewolf reports, and Bigfoot as well. But we
1682
01:24:56.319 --> 01:24:59.779
could tell that somebody had run out of there quickly.
1683
01:25:00.050 --> 01:25:03.489
A bunch of people had. Not surprising, but when we
1684
01:25:03.510 --> 01:25:07.500
got down to the actual ruins... And that's the chicken
1685
01:25:07.539 --> 01:25:09.079
coop right there. The pink room is on the top
1686
01:25:09.100 --> 01:25:11.939
of that, that picture that you're showing right there. The
1687
01:25:11.979 --> 01:25:13.739
pink room was up there. They had a ladder that
1688
01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:16.000
would go up to that top floor where they had
1689
01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:16.819
a bunch of the parties.
1690
01:25:19.039 --> 01:25:21.930
Yeah, nobody's seeing this with us since it's on the radio,
1691
01:25:21.939 --> 01:25:24.510
but I'll put a link in afterwards. But yeah, I
1692
01:25:24.529 --> 01:25:28.329
pulled up a thing from Atlanta Magazine that was showing
1693
01:25:28.369 --> 01:25:31.750
the pink gargoyle and the chicken house and all this
1694
01:25:31.850 --> 01:25:33.869
other stuff there. I'll put a link in the show notes.
1695
01:25:34.890 --> 01:25:37.939
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's worth looking into. It's an interesting story.
1696
01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:41.100
But when we got down to the house, where the
1697
01:25:41.140 --> 01:25:43.460
house was, you know, we got there earlier in the day.
1698
01:25:43.500 --> 01:25:45.680
We put up some recording devices and stuff. And we
1699
01:25:45.739 --> 01:25:48.960
were looking around when it was the daylight. And it
1700
01:25:49.020 --> 01:25:52.500
was so eerie because there were obviously rituals being done
1701
01:25:52.520 --> 01:25:56.180
there actively. Like recently, lots and lots of rituals. And
1702
01:25:56.199 --> 01:26:01.649
I got to assume it's satanic rituals. There was blood everywhere, Steve.
1703
01:26:02.390 --> 01:26:05.979
Blood splatter. There's blood splatter just like. a pool of
1704
01:26:06.060 --> 01:26:10.199
blood and blood splatter. There was a mattress there, a
1705
01:26:10.899 --> 01:26:14.579
mattress on the ground. There were clothing items, women's clothing
1706
01:26:14.699 --> 01:26:18.890
and pictures of women and men and families all over
1707
01:26:18.930 --> 01:26:20.909
the place. I mean, it just did not give me
1708
01:26:20.930 --> 01:26:22.470
a good feeling at all. I was, I did not,
1709
01:26:22.590 --> 01:26:23.149
I didn't like it.
1710
01:26:23.189 --> 01:26:24.649
It was very, very unnerving.
1711
01:26:25.369 --> 01:26:27.449
It was terrible. It was terrible. I really don't care
1712
01:26:27.470 --> 01:26:32.220
to go back there anytime soon. But it was cool
1713
01:26:32.229 --> 01:26:35.939
going as an investigator back then. But there was so
1714
01:26:35.979 --> 01:26:38.159
much blood. And, you know, my team, we were like, well,
1715
01:26:38.189 --> 01:26:39.729
there are only like four or five of us there.
1716
01:26:39.819 --> 01:26:42.109
And we thought, we kept saying to ourselves, well, it's
1717
01:26:42.149 --> 01:26:44.149
got to be chicken blood, right? It's got to be
1718
01:26:44.170 --> 01:26:47.869
chicken blood. There's some sort of ritual. Let's just assume
1719
01:26:47.890 --> 01:26:51.390
this is, you know, animal blood or fake blood is
1720
01:26:51.430 --> 01:26:55.489
what we were hoping. And we ended up not getting
1721
01:26:55.510 --> 01:26:57.409
a whole lot of activity there. When we were there,
1722
01:26:57.510 --> 01:26:59.529
we got a bunch of orbs that had faces in
1723
01:26:59.550 --> 01:27:02.109
them that we were taking pictures of with men's faces
1724
01:27:02.149 --> 01:27:06.300
that had mustaches and stuff. It was wild. And we
1725
01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:09.189
had some really eerie feelings while we were there. But
1726
01:27:09.270 --> 01:27:14.609
nothing super amazing happened while we were there. But we
1727
01:27:14.649 --> 01:27:20.439
put out a video of our excursion there. We had
1728
01:27:20.449 --> 01:27:23.979
a three-part series. We put it on YouTube. And it
1729
01:27:24.020 --> 01:27:26.420
was really crazy because this lady contacted the head of
1730
01:27:26.439 --> 01:27:31.560
my team who was from around that area. And she said, well,
1731
01:27:31.600 --> 01:27:34.489
you guys found all that blood there. She said, I
1732
01:27:34.770 --> 01:27:36.489
don't think my son would mind telling you this, but
1733
01:27:36.520 --> 01:27:39.399
I think you need to know that was my son's blood.
1734
01:27:41.060 --> 01:27:42.720
And the head of my team said, hey, can you
1735
01:27:42.760 --> 01:27:45.039
call me? Let me know what's going on. And the
1736
01:27:45.180 --> 01:27:47.880
lady ended up calling him and said, well, here's what happened.
1737
01:27:48.279 --> 01:27:49.670
And this is why the blood was there. She said
1738
01:27:49.729 --> 01:27:52.649
the same within like two days of us going up there.
1739
01:27:54.550 --> 01:27:57.270
Her son and his friends went to go get, you know,
1740
01:27:57.310 --> 01:27:59.750
have a spooky night up there, you know, go get scared.
1741
01:28:00.380 --> 01:28:03.210
And they decided to build a bonfire. And she said
1742
01:28:03.250 --> 01:28:05.029
when they got there, they were about to build a
1743
01:28:05.050 --> 01:28:06.939
fire and he got his axe out and he had
1744
01:28:06.949 --> 01:28:09.420
a hatchet and he was cutting some wood. She said
1745
01:28:09.479 --> 01:28:13.720
he is a seasoned wood cutter. He knows how to
1746
01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:17.960
cut wood. And at some point while he was chopping wood,
1747
01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:22.779
the axe slipped and it cut into his thigh and
1748
01:28:22.810 --> 01:28:23.609
it hit an artery.
1749
01:28:23.630 --> 01:28:25.909
Oh, no.
1750
01:28:26.829 --> 01:28:29.810
Yes. She said it was so bad he almost died.
1751
01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:32.500
And that if his friends had not rushed him out
1752
01:28:32.539 --> 01:28:34.260
of there and picked him up and rushed him out
1753
01:28:34.279 --> 01:28:36.170
of there and gotten him to the hospital when they did,
1754
01:28:36.229 --> 01:28:37.189
he would not be alive.
1755
01:28:37.710 --> 01:28:41.100
But I'm wondering if that blood at that time. ritual site,
1756
01:28:41.539 --> 01:28:44.239
if that didn't like reactivate something. Do you see where
1757
01:28:44.270 --> 01:28:44.899
I'm going with that?
1758
01:28:46.029 --> 01:28:48.989
Well, remember I said the land requires blood.
1759
01:28:49.010 --> 01:28:50.130
Yeah, there you go.
1760
01:28:50.750 --> 01:28:52.449
They're going to get it. The land's going to get
1761
01:28:52.489 --> 01:28:54.729
their blood no matter what. So when you go to
1762
01:28:54.770 --> 01:28:58.579
places like that, anyone who's listening who goes to haunted locations,
1763
01:28:59.340 --> 01:29:01.909
don't get a hatchet out. If you don't have to, please.
1764
01:29:02.229 --> 01:29:02.609
Okay.
1765
01:29:02.649 --> 01:29:05.989
Please don't. Because the land requires blood. And if you're
1766
01:29:06.050 --> 01:29:09.869
out there with a knife, a hatchet, a gun, whatever
1767
01:29:09.909 --> 01:29:12.220
you got, there's a chance that you're going to have
1768
01:29:12.229 --> 01:29:18.979
an accident out there. Just saying.
1769
01:29:19.020 --> 01:29:21.479
Where's the wisdom? Something to live by there.
1770
01:29:21.899 --> 01:29:22.079
Yeah.
1771
01:29:22.100 --> 01:29:26.020
And just me personally, anything that has any demonic or
1772
01:29:26.119 --> 01:29:28.939
devil connotations or stuff, I tend to shy away from
1773
01:29:28.949 --> 01:29:32.100
that stuff. My older brother, my only sibling, he was
1774
01:29:32.100 --> 01:29:34.000
17 years older than me. I was late in life,
1775
01:29:34.079 --> 01:29:37.520
unexpected baby. He passed away a few years ago. But
1776
01:29:37.560 --> 01:29:40.300
he was a Pentecostal minister. And a part of his
1777
01:29:40.380 --> 01:29:43.659
ministry was a deliverance ministry. Now, I didn't attend any
1778
01:29:43.689 --> 01:29:46.750
of these services. Again, I was afraid of it. But
1779
01:29:46.770 --> 01:29:49.649
he had services where they would cast demons out of people.
1780
01:29:50.090 --> 01:29:52.640
My thinking was being, well, when it comes out, it's
1781
01:29:52.680 --> 01:29:54.560
got to have somewhere to go in the Bible. Christ
1782
01:29:54.739 --> 01:29:57.039
cast them into the swine. The swine jumped off into
1783
01:29:57.359 --> 01:29:59.819
the ocean. I didn't want to be around for that.
1784
01:29:59.880 --> 01:30:01.319
So if they were going to do that sort of thing,
1785
01:30:01.399 --> 01:30:04.239
I wouldn't believe, but I just, I tend to shy
1786
01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:08.079
away from anything like that. One time there out in
1787
01:30:08.119 --> 01:30:11.180
Blount County, Tennessee, there's a cave depending on who you
1788
01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:15.140
talk to. The locals call it either rescue squad cave.
1789
01:30:15.180 --> 01:30:17.020
That'll give you an idea of what goes on there
1790
01:30:17.460 --> 01:30:20.340
or devil worship cave. I was in that and there
1791
01:30:20.380 --> 01:30:23.100
was just some weird stuff in there and, There was
1792
01:30:23.180 --> 01:30:25.539
lit candles and things already in there. When we were there,
1793
01:30:25.579 --> 01:30:28.859
we could hear chanting coming from inside the cave. I
1794
01:30:28.880 --> 01:30:29.840
hightailed it out of there.
1795
01:30:30.899 --> 01:30:31.640
Oh, hell no.
1796
01:30:32.140 --> 01:30:34.560
Stories about that I wrote about in Strange Things in
1797
01:30:34.579 --> 01:30:36.850
the Woods that I'd heard from the guy that took
1798
01:30:36.899 --> 01:30:40.329
me there. So, yeah, no, no thanks. I'll take a
1799
01:30:40.390 --> 01:30:42.449
hard pass, a hard nope on that one.
1800
01:30:43.350 --> 01:30:47.289
No, that's not super far from where the Skinwalker Cave is,
1801
01:30:47.329 --> 01:30:50.409
but I was just in Blount County. This week, I
1802
01:30:50.430 --> 01:30:52.449
went up there to hang out with my buddy Tony
1803
01:30:52.470 --> 01:30:54.829
Merkel and do an in-studio little podcast.
1804
01:30:54.850 --> 01:30:57.829
Yeah, I know Tony. When I was moving to New England,
1805
01:30:59.180 --> 01:31:00.659
I thought I was going to pass through there. He's
1806
01:31:00.720 --> 01:31:03.060
out in Maryville, I think, which is in Blount County.
1807
01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:05.880
And he asked me to stop by and was going
1808
01:31:05.899 --> 01:31:09.439
to take me to lunch, but I ended up flying here. But, yeah,
1809
01:31:09.479 --> 01:31:11.579
what's the name of his show? I can't think of.
1810
01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:12.260
It right now.
1811
01:31:12.279 --> 01:31:12.979
The Confessionals.
1812
01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:15.699
The Confessionals, yeah. Me and the guys, two of the
1813
01:31:15.739 --> 01:31:21.069
guys that went to the Skinwalker Cave with me and
1814
01:31:21.329 --> 01:31:25.090
on our recent dog man hunt in Alabama, we all
1815
01:31:25.109 --> 01:31:27.189
went there together and had a sit down with them.
1816
01:31:27.210 --> 01:31:29.609
And it was awesome. It hasn't aired yet, but we
1817
01:31:29.630 --> 01:31:33.689
just did that last Friday. Yeah, it was good, good dude, man.
1818
01:31:33.829 --> 01:31:36.970
Good dude. Really cool area, though. Tennessee is just ripe
1819
01:31:37.250 --> 01:31:37.609
with dogs.
1820
01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:42.600
Yeah, one county that's close to Townsend, what they call
1821
01:31:42.619 --> 01:31:45.460
the quiet side of the Smokies. And, you know, you've
1822
01:31:45.500 --> 01:31:49.189
got mountains and the little Pigeon River and stuff that
1823
01:31:49.229 --> 01:31:52.090
runs through there. But you don't have Gatlinburg and Pigeon
1824
01:31:52.130 --> 01:31:55.750
Forge and all that stuff. Townsend's more like cabins. And
1825
01:31:56.510 --> 01:31:58.199
if I were going to live up there, Townsend's where
1826
01:31:58.239 --> 01:31:58.739
I want to live.
1827
01:32:00.380 --> 01:32:02.640
Oh, I would love to live in Tennessee. Oh, my gosh,
1828
01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:05.300
I would love it. Just driving through North Georgia to
1829
01:32:05.319 --> 01:32:06.899
get there. I took all the back roads, you know,
1830
01:32:06.920 --> 01:32:09.399
went through L.A.J. and all those, just the mountains are
1831
01:32:09.420 --> 01:32:10.920
just absolutely beautiful.
1832
01:32:11.220 --> 01:32:15.000
What's Nantahala and that area down in there. But yeah,
1833
01:32:15.039 --> 01:32:16.779
that's one of the places we're looking at. We're kind
1834
01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:19.319
of looking at middle Tennessee over on the Cumberland Plateau,
1835
01:32:20.199 --> 01:32:23.079
Fentress County, Jamestown, that area. It's up near the Big
1836
01:32:23.140 --> 01:32:28.250
South Fork National Recreation Area, which on the Tennessee side
1837
01:32:28.470 --> 01:32:33.210
across the Cumberland River there from Kentucky. But that's also
1838
01:32:34.260 --> 01:32:37.300
LBL area when you get up in there. Now, do
1839
01:32:37.340 --> 01:32:40.039
you know Elijah Henderson? He's supposed to be on this
1840
01:32:40.100 --> 01:32:42.819
show at some point. He and his sister were on
1841
01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:44.420
with Cisco and I one Monday night, and they were
1842
01:32:44.439 --> 01:32:47.199
talking about Dog Man and what they've encountered. He lives
1843
01:32:47.260 --> 01:32:49.739
in Indian Mound, Tennessee, which is just right up on
1844
01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:51.500
the border there near the LBL.
1845
01:32:52.859 --> 01:32:55.920
I've not met Elijah yet, but I do have several
1846
01:32:55.960 --> 01:32:57.920
friends that live right there at the LBL. Now, I
1847
01:32:57.960 --> 01:33:02.340
know of Elijah, and I'm a fan, okay? I would
1848
01:33:02.380 --> 01:33:03.800
love to meet him one day and go out to
1849
01:33:03.819 --> 01:33:05.729
the LBL with them. But I do have one. I
1850
01:33:05.899 --> 01:33:08.369
have a very good friend of mine. Mark Maycheck is
1851
01:33:08.470 --> 01:33:10.989
up there and he's been on my show several times. He's,
1852
01:33:11.109 --> 01:33:14.430
he's co-hosted with me on my show. He, he, his,
1853
01:33:14.489 --> 01:33:17.229
that's his research area. And he lives right there on,
1854
01:33:17.510 --> 01:33:20.689
on site pretty much at the LBL. He's actually told
1855
01:33:20.729 --> 01:33:24.510
me some stories about having, he's had a couple of
1856
01:33:24.550 --> 01:33:26.970
dogman encounters. One of the dogman encounters he had there,
1857
01:33:26.989 --> 01:33:29.489
the LBL, as a matter of fact, the, he thought
1858
01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:31.680
he was looking at a deer and, but it turned
1859
01:33:31.760 --> 01:33:34.380
out to be a dog. It was a dog man
1860
01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:37.340
that had, it looked like a wolf, but it had
1861
01:33:37.859 --> 01:33:42.060
paint smeared down both sides of his face. Like paint.
1862
01:33:42.159 --> 01:33:43.390
Yeah.
1863
01:33:44.590 --> 01:33:47.810
At the LBL right there. And on, on this on side, I.
1864
01:33:47.770 --> 01:33:51.029
Was supposed to go up there. Uh, Josh Turner had, uh,
1865
01:33:51.069 --> 01:33:53.590
the first dog man convention a few years ago, and
1866
01:33:53.630 --> 01:33:56.189
I was going to be one of the speakers. And then, uh,
1867
01:33:56.250 --> 01:33:58.630
my ride ended up getting COVID and I, I didn't
1868
01:33:58.670 --> 01:34:01.939
get to attend, but, uh, I was going to stay
1869
01:34:01.960 --> 01:34:05.579
in the LBL. They had the conference in Paris, Tennessee.
1870
01:34:05.640 --> 01:34:07.760
If you've ever been up there, that's a beautiful area.
1871
01:34:08.500 --> 01:34:12.020
And they have a little representation of the Eiffel Tower
1872
01:34:12.060 --> 01:34:15.720
and stuff there. But I found out a few years ago,
1873
01:34:15.779 --> 01:34:18.979
I went to a UFO conference in San Francisco. I
1874
01:34:19.020 --> 01:34:21.939
spoke out with Dave Scott. He was my opening act.
1875
01:34:22.640 --> 01:34:25.520
And I found out that you don't stay at the venue.
1876
01:34:26.060 --> 01:34:29.600
Because no offense to UFO people, but you pestered me
1877
01:34:29.640 --> 01:34:33.529
to death. I couldn't get out of my room. There
1878
01:34:33.569 --> 01:34:35.369
was people waiting to talk to me, wanting me to
1879
01:34:35.430 --> 01:34:37.930
sign a program or do this or post for a selfie.
1880
01:34:38.489 --> 01:34:41.149
So when I was going to go to the first
1881
01:34:41.250 --> 01:34:44.489
annual Dogman Conference in Paris, Tennessee, I actually booked a
1882
01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:48.060
fishing cabin, hunting cabin up in the LBL. And I
1883
01:34:48.260 --> 01:34:53.859
would rather face Dogman than some of these crazy fans.
1884
01:34:54.199 --> 01:34:57.340
And again, no shade on anybody. I love all my people,
1885
01:34:57.359 --> 01:35:00.560
but I like my privacy, too. When I'm on stage,
1886
01:35:00.619 --> 01:35:02.960
that's for the folks. But when I come off stage,
1887
01:35:03.020 --> 01:35:05.880
that's that's me, my private time, especially now that I'm married,
1888
01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:08.850
got a baby on the way and stuff. No offense, people,
1889
01:35:08.909 --> 01:35:10.930
but please respect my privacy.
1890
01:35:11.930 --> 01:35:14.550
You get good draining. It really can, because, you know, well,
1891
01:35:14.590 --> 01:35:16.170
here's the thing, you know, people that listen to our
1892
01:35:16.210 --> 01:35:18.970
shows and, you know, everybody gets to know us pretty well.
1893
01:35:19.489 --> 01:35:21.010
Cause they hear you all the time. They hear me,
1894
01:35:21.069 --> 01:35:22.670
you know, I hear, hear me too.
1895
01:35:22.750 --> 01:35:26.229
And there's that familiarity there that people think, you know,
1896
01:35:26.369 --> 01:35:29.869
they're my best friend. And, you know, honestly, you, you
1897
01:35:29.930 --> 01:35:33.270
only think, you know, that's my public persona. I'm actually
1898
01:35:33.289 --> 01:35:36.770
a very shy, very private person and have always been
1899
01:35:36.829 --> 01:35:39.310
that way. Now you can't tell it, you know, got
1900
01:35:39.409 --> 01:35:42.220
almost half a million subscribers across all my YouTube channels,
1901
01:35:42.260 --> 01:35:45.880
but I keep myself to myself. I've always been that way.
1902
01:35:46.659 --> 01:35:49.460
Oh yeah. But you, you have, um, you know, you,
1903
01:35:50.300 --> 01:35:54.159
you're just, you're, you're down to earth. Okay. You're down
1904
01:35:54.180 --> 01:35:57.800
to earth and everybody, you know, has a connection to
1905
01:35:57.880 --> 01:35:59.640
you and you're making a big impact on a lot
1906
01:35:59.659 --> 01:36:00.439
of people.
1907
01:36:00.460 --> 01:36:03.279
And so there's people that listen to me to go
1908
01:36:03.319 --> 01:36:06.359
to sleep. There's people that have a panic and anxiety
1909
01:36:06.420 --> 01:36:11.470
disorder that have PTSD, that have chronic pain, fibromyalgia. And I,
1910
01:36:11.500 --> 01:36:13.420
and my voice helps them, you know, God bless them.
1911
01:36:13.460 --> 01:36:16.020
I'm glad it does. And I've had people say, you know,
1912
01:36:16.260 --> 01:36:18.100
I hope that's not insulting that I listened to you
1913
01:36:18.140 --> 01:36:20.699
to go to sleep. No, no, have at it. I'm
1914
01:36:20.739 --> 01:36:23.779
doing what I feel led to do. And if it
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01:36:23.810 --> 01:36:26.239
helps you in some way, I mean, the missing, that's
1916
01:36:26.319 --> 01:36:29.189
the main thing. If I can bring one person home
1917
01:36:29.649 --> 01:36:31.670
or get one family closure, I'm doing what I'm led
1918
01:36:31.710 --> 01:36:35.850
to be, feel like I'm led to do. But if
1919
01:36:36.890 --> 01:36:39.590
my voice helps somebody relax or forget about their pain
1920
01:36:39.630 --> 01:36:43.329
or their troubles, then right on, you know, use me, Lord.
1921
01:36:43.609 --> 01:36:44.189
I'm a vessel.
1922
01:36:45.180 --> 01:36:47.180
Well, I love that you do that. And, you know,
1923
01:36:47.220 --> 01:36:49.279
and that reminds me that that's part of why I've
1924
01:36:49.300 --> 01:36:52.859
been trained in remote viewing is to help solve some
1925
01:36:52.899 --> 01:36:55.510
of these cold cases and missing persons cases. And I
1926
01:36:55.520 --> 01:36:58.010
get those, I've gotten those throughout the years. You know,
1927
01:36:58.020 --> 01:37:00.189
I get these high priority targets sent to me and
1928
01:37:00.229 --> 01:37:02.329
all I'm given is a set of numbers. And I'm
1929
01:37:02.369 --> 01:37:05.250
trained to like go and take those numbers and extract
1930
01:37:05.289 --> 01:37:07.489
a whole bunch of data out of them. And I've
1931
01:37:07.510 --> 01:37:10.430
been able to locate some people and some bodies and stuff.
1932
01:37:10.729 --> 01:37:12.350
And I got to tell you, you know, you do
1933
01:37:13.229 --> 01:37:17.479
your missing shows. about I'm going to say 95 at
1934
01:37:17.899 --> 01:37:20.539
least or more percent of the people that I have
1935
01:37:20.699 --> 01:37:24.220
been tasked with locating who are missing or there was
1936
01:37:24.260 --> 01:37:30.550
a cold case have been deceased. Okay. So I don't know.
1937
01:37:30.590 --> 01:37:33.090
Sometimes I don't know what it is, but just a
1938
01:37:33.109 --> 01:37:34.989
photo of the people. I mean, obviously the photo was
1939
01:37:35.029 --> 01:37:37.930
from when they were alive, but there's something about the eyes.
1940
01:37:37.949 --> 01:37:40.250
A lot of these people and I hold out hope
1941
01:37:40.310 --> 01:37:43.279
against hope, you know, for the families and, But sometimes
1942
01:37:43.340 --> 01:37:45.100
I could just tell. I look at that photo, I
1943
01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:46.779
look at their eyes, and I think that person's not
1944
01:37:46.939 --> 01:37:51.159
in this world anymore. But I think that's fascinating that
1945
01:37:51.199 --> 01:37:55.220
you have helped locate people. And I think the law
1946
01:37:55.239 --> 01:37:58.470
enforcement search and rescue should use that more. I mean,
1947
01:37:58.829 --> 01:38:01.670
it's worth a shot. And the only one I've ever
1948
01:38:01.710 --> 01:38:03.890
had that really disturbed me like that, there was a
1949
01:38:03.890 --> 01:38:08.229
little boy that went missing just outside of Portland, Oregon,
1950
01:38:08.270 --> 01:38:12.479
called Kyron Horman. And I've got my own opinions on that,
1951
01:38:12.520 --> 01:38:14.619
what I think happened to himself. But I had a
1952
01:38:14.760 --> 01:38:17.520
dream about that little boy. And I saw where the
1953
01:38:17.560 --> 01:38:19.479
body was. I saw where it was hidden. It was
1954
01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:24.470
in a corrugated iron pipe wrapped in plastic and weighted
1955
01:38:24.510 --> 01:38:27.890
down with rocks. But it was on Sabi Island, which
1956
01:38:27.989 --> 01:38:32.380
is private property. There's farms there. things over there. They
1957
01:38:32.420 --> 01:38:36.399
have a corn maze or something over there seasonally. And
1958
01:38:36.479 --> 01:38:38.180
I wanted to get over there and look for him,
1959
01:38:38.199 --> 01:38:40.939
but I couldn't. And I don't know, I just moved
1960
01:38:40.979 --> 01:38:43.439
away from that area. But I still think I know
1961
01:38:43.539 --> 01:38:46.520
where his body's at. And I've sent that message. out
1962
01:38:46.579 --> 01:38:48.479
to people that, that could go look, but as far
1963
01:38:48.520 --> 01:38:51.420
as I know, he's never been found, but that's, that's frightening.
1964
01:38:51.460 --> 01:38:54.189
That's the only one that I've ever really had anything
1965
01:38:54.229 --> 01:38:56.989
like that, that I think might be precognitive. You know,
1966
01:38:57.029 --> 01:39:00.010
could it be just a dream from that case? Maybe,
1967
01:39:00.069 --> 01:39:03.569
but who knows? I'd like to go look. Yeah.
1968
01:39:03.609 --> 01:39:05.810
So, so sad, you know, it's a tough job and
1969
01:39:06.210 --> 01:39:08.050
I don't get paid for any of this. Okay. So
1970
01:39:08.109 --> 01:39:09.609
I'm not getting paid to do this because I love
1971
01:39:09.630 --> 01:39:12.390
to do it. And, and that's, that's what the research,
1972
01:39:12.409 --> 01:39:15.750
that's what the investigations, that is with the, you know,
1973
01:39:15.810 --> 01:39:19.840
remote viewing of missing persons cases. And, and there is
1974
01:39:20.119 --> 01:39:23.819
some satisfaction that does come out of helping families, especially
1975
01:39:23.859 --> 01:39:27.579
when it comes to missing children, missing loved ones. You know,
1976
01:39:27.739 --> 01:39:30.279
really in the, in the end, everybody just wants closure
1977
01:39:30.300 --> 01:39:33.789
to know what happened to their loved ones. And if
1978
01:39:33.869 --> 01:39:36.270
I can help do that in some way, I'm here
1979
01:39:36.310 --> 01:39:36.710
to do it.
1980
01:39:39.050 --> 01:39:41.710
Yeah, that's, and I talked about that on your show,
1981
01:39:41.750 --> 01:39:44.560
the Dennis Martin case, that one, has haunted me ever
1982
01:39:44.600 --> 01:39:46.060
since I was a kid. I was just a few
1983
01:39:46.100 --> 01:39:48.739
months younger than Dennis when he disappeared. And that was
1984
01:39:48.779 --> 01:39:51.229
a big deal in Knoxville. It was all over the
1985
01:39:51.239 --> 01:39:54.149
local news, you know, before it went national. But his
1986
01:39:54.170 --> 01:39:56.869
little face still haunts my dreams sometimes. And, you know, he's,
1987
01:39:57.369 --> 01:40:00.409
he'd be older than me now. I turned 60 last year.
1988
01:40:00.869 --> 01:40:04.789
He would be 61, almost 62, I think. So, you know,
1989
01:40:05.170 --> 01:40:09.050
and his father died on Halloween, no less. I guess
1990
01:40:09.090 --> 01:40:11.600
it's been about 12, 15 years ago now. And he
1991
01:40:11.680 --> 01:40:14.680
never had any closure. You know, he never gave up looking.
1992
01:40:15.039 --> 01:40:16.840
He even talked about that. I think it was on
1993
01:40:16.859 --> 01:40:20.590
the 40th anniversary of Dennis's disappearance. They were the local
1994
01:40:20.649 --> 01:40:23.409
news channels. And he said, you know, I'm always thinking
1995
01:40:23.470 --> 01:40:25.689
one day there'll be a knock at the door. I'll
1996
01:40:25.710 --> 01:40:27.909
go and he'll see if there'll be a nice looking
1997
01:40:27.930 --> 01:40:30.210
young man there. And he'll think, oh, great. Another reporter.
1998
01:40:30.750 --> 01:40:33.479
Open the door. Yes. Can I help you? And this
1999
01:40:33.520 --> 01:40:38.560
young man will say, dad, it's me. It's Dennis. And,
2000
01:40:38.600 --> 01:40:40.659
you know, that just tears my heart out because that
2001
01:40:40.699 --> 01:40:44.970
never happened. And his dad passed away without any closure whatsoever.
2002
01:40:44.989 --> 01:40:48.210
And I met the man when I was in high school,
2003
01:40:49.449 --> 01:40:51.310
the vocational school that was a part of a high school.
2004
01:40:51.369 --> 01:40:53.529
We went to where he worked on a field trip.
2005
01:40:53.949 --> 01:40:56.520
And I saw Dennis's picture on somebody's desk. And I thought,
2006
01:40:56.560 --> 01:41:00.220
that's Dennis Martin. What's going on here? And then when
2007
01:41:00.260 --> 01:41:02.079
he came back, when we went back by there, he
2008
01:41:02.140 --> 01:41:04.439
came back and was sitting down. And I thought, OK,
2009
01:41:04.680 --> 01:41:07.199
that's his dad. And I introduced myself, but I didn't.
2010
01:41:07.739 --> 01:41:09.659
let on, you know, that, oh, hey, there's Dennis. I've
2011
01:41:09.680 --> 01:41:11.699
been following that case, too. I just, hey, nice to
2012
01:41:11.720 --> 01:41:14.699
meet you, that sort of thing, but no, it's just
2013
01:41:14.760 --> 01:41:17.060
a sad, sad, sad case all the way around.
2014
01:41:17.779 --> 01:41:20.020
It's so sad. I know, and I have a child.
2015
01:41:20.039 --> 01:41:22.779
I have a 10-year-old, and I can't even imagine.
2016
01:41:22.800 --> 01:41:26.279
There's thousands and thousands of cases like that out there.
2017
01:41:26.319 --> 01:41:30.140
That's the crushing part of it. There's so many families,
2018
01:41:30.159 --> 01:41:35.359
so many disappearances. You can't even begin to imagine how
2019
01:41:35.380 --> 01:41:38.800
many lives destroyed, how much disruption has gone on. People
2020
01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:41.390
that may never know. And like you said, even if
2021
01:41:41.789 --> 01:41:44.750
they have some closure, at least you've got a grave
2022
01:41:44.770 --> 01:41:47.810
that you can visit or an urn sitting on a mantelpiece.
2023
01:41:48.149 --> 01:41:51.609
But the ones that don't know, that forever hold out
2024
01:41:51.649 --> 01:41:54.390
that hope that they will be found or something will happen.
2025
01:41:54.850 --> 01:41:57.859
And the worry that you would go through, are they safe?
2026
01:41:57.920 --> 01:42:01.039
Are they okay? Do they have amnesia? Did somebody hold
2027
01:42:01.060 --> 01:42:04.390
them against their will? Did they leave with their own volition? And,
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01:42:04.420 --> 01:42:07.060
you know, you could play what if forever and it
2029
01:42:07.079 --> 01:42:07.899
would drive you crazy.
2030
01:42:08.850 --> 01:42:11.369
It would. And, of course, your mind always goes to
2031
01:42:11.409 --> 01:42:14.590
the worst case scenario. And just you live that every
2032
01:42:14.630 --> 01:42:19.310
single day of your life without your child there, your husband,
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01:42:19.350 --> 01:42:24.609
your wife, your parent, your sister, your brother. I just
2034
01:42:24.710 --> 01:42:27.689
it's just unimaginable. And that's why that's really what drives
2035
01:42:27.729 --> 01:42:29.489
me to do what I do, because, you know, I
2036
01:42:29.550 --> 01:42:32.060
never went public with any of my research. I never
2037
01:42:32.119 --> 01:42:34.989
had any intention to go public with my research. Back
2038
01:42:35.029 --> 01:42:36.989
when I started Bigfooting, it was not cool to be
2039
01:42:37.029 --> 01:42:41.609
a Bigfoot researcher. And now it's pretty cool to do that.
2040
01:42:41.729 --> 01:42:46.149
But I've gotten a lot of pushback from when I
2041
01:42:46.390 --> 01:42:49.770
went public with being a remote viewer as well and
2042
01:42:50.130 --> 01:42:52.329
the attacks online, all that kind of stuff. But people,
2043
01:42:52.829 --> 01:42:55.449
I don't talk about what I do publicly when it
2044
01:42:55.489 --> 01:42:57.079
comes to the remote. And I do talk about the
2045
01:42:57.119 --> 01:42:59.060
remote viewing. I have a show every Thursday night where
2046
01:42:59.100 --> 01:43:02.340
I do I've done remote viewing targets. We discussed the data,
2047
01:43:03.850 --> 01:43:07.340
but it's, it's, you know, people, people come at me
2048
01:43:07.380 --> 01:43:09.760
for this kind of stuff for being a psychic and
2049
01:43:09.800 --> 01:43:12.159
call me a witch and all this kind of stuff. Well, okay.
2050
01:43:13.060 --> 01:43:16.180
I'm not a witch. But you know, I'm, I'm actually
2051
01:43:16.239 --> 01:43:20.359
doing stuff to help people find their missing loved ones
2052
01:43:20.439 --> 01:43:22.380
and stuff. And, and like I said, I don't talk
2053
01:43:22.399 --> 01:43:24.739
about everything I do publicly. So nobody even knows what
2054
01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:29.020
I'm doing. But, You know, I've been asked many times, like, well,
2055
01:43:29.199 --> 01:43:30.779
you're doing all this remote viewing. Why don't you help
2056
01:43:30.819 --> 01:43:33.399
all these, find all these missing children? Well, that's kind
2057
01:43:33.420 --> 01:43:36.199
of what I do. Okay. And I do it for free.
2058
01:43:36.659 --> 01:43:37.750
And I do it because I love to. And I
2059
01:43:37.750 --> 01:43:38.289
do it because I need to.
2060
01:43:38.289 --> 01:43:41.750
And I get the same thing. There's another person that's popular.
2061
01:43:42.090 --> 01:43:44.369
He has books and movies and things. And a lot
2062
01:43:44.390 --> 01:43:46.210
of people come at me and say, how dare you
2063
01:43:46.250 --> 01:43:49.739
talk about that case? That's his case. And I'm like, oh, really?
2064
01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:53.079
Nobody owns the missing. If it's anybody's story, it's that
2065
01:43:53.180 --> 01:43:57.039
person or their family. And I'll talk about any case.
2066
01:43:58.039 --> 01:44:02.399
Any missing person, no one is any more or less
2067
01:44:02.510 --> 01:44:07.850
important than the other to me. And if it was
2068
01:44:07.890 --> 01:44:10.630
my loved one, I'd want every single person talking about it.
2069
01:44:11.050 --> 01:44:13.390
I wouldn't say, oh, well, this is my case. You
2070
01:44:13.430 --> 01:44:18.029
can't talk about it. So what? And that particular person,
2071
01:44:18.069 --> 01:44:21.560
I've never used any of his books as reference materials.
2072
01:44:22.000 --> 01:44:24.640
And the only thing that he holds a copyright on
2073
01:44:25.260 --> 01:44:30.520
is the stuff that he's written, misinformation and omissions included.
2074
01:44:30.579 --> 01:44:31.779
That's all I'm going to say about that.
2075
01:44:31.800 --> 01:44:37.300
Yeah, well, you know, law enforcement does contact my team
2076
01:44:37.380 --> 01:44:40.840
at times to ask us about helping with cold cases
2077
01:44:40.880 --> 01:44:44.050
and things like that with missing people and children. I've
2078
01:44:44.090 --> 01:44:48.270
even been contacted by the Nancy Grace Show at some point,
2079
01:44:48.329 --> 01:44:52.350
asked me to do some work. Actually, I knew one
2080
01:44:52.390 --> 01:44:54.399
of her partners, who asked me to look into a
2081
01:44:54.460 --> 01:44:56.819
case and I did locate where that guy was. I
2082
01:44:56.859 --> 01:44:59.020
even did a deep mind probe on this missing person.
2083
01:44:59.600 --> 01:45:02.039
And I was told, no, no, no, that can't be
2084
01:45:02.100 --> 01:45:04.220
where he is. We've already checked out his friend. He
2085
01:45:04.260 --> 01:45:07.420
didn't hurt him. It turns out his friend did murder him.
2086
01:45:07.479 --> 01:45:09.970
He unalived him. And, uh, and I had, I had
2087
01:45:10.010 --> 01:45:12.149
told them that and told them that his body that
2088
01:45:12.189 --> 01:45:13.829
was going to be buried somewhere. And they found his
2089
01:45:13.869 --> 01:45:15.590
body underneath his house, by the way.
2090
01:45:15.609 --> 01:45:16.210
Okay.
2091
01:45:16.630 --> 01:45:20.270
So when it comes down to it, if I were
2092
01:45:20.289 --> 01:45:22.489
to lose a loved one, if someone went missing, I
2093
01:45:22.510 --> 01:45:24.949
would want an entire team of remote viewers on it
2094
01:45:25.069 --> 01:45:27.970
immediately because that's, who's going to be able to help
2095
01:45:28.210 --> 01:45:29.810
above a lot of other people.
2096
01:45:29.970 --> 01:45:30.149
Okay.
2097
01:45:30.189 --> 01:45:32.909
When search and rescue can't find somebody get in touch
2098
01:45:32.939 --> 01:45:35.180
with some remote viewers. Okay. Please do.
2099
01:45:35.199 --> 01:45:37.880
Uh, you know, if I were, if it was my
2100
01:45:37.939 --> 01:45:41.880
family member, I'd try anything. I'd try psychics. I'd consult
2101
01:45:41.939 --> 01:45:45.539
tarot cards or, uh, anything, you know, the, I, the
2102
01:45:45.659 --> 01:45:49.199
I Ching or, um, rune cast the runes roll the
2103
01:45:49.239 --> 01:45:52.819
bones uh or cast bones i know people back in
2104
01:45:52.840 --> 01:45:55.000
the hills that do that my granny didn't do that
2105
01:45:55.079 --> 01:45:59.529
but she did divination you know uh old coffee grounds
2106
01:45:59.609 --> 01:46:03.130
and tea leaves and and she used playing cards that
2107
01:46:03.210 --> 01:46:05.750
she would kind of like a lunar monday but she
2108
01:46:05.770 --> 01:46:08.680
wouldn't touch a tarot card but again whatever means necessary
2109
01:46:09.020 --> 01:46:10.880
if i thought they could help find my loved one
2110
01:46:11.569 --> 01:46:16.300
do it, you know, automatic writing, anything. I'd be open
2111
01:46:16.319 --> 01:46:20.779
to anything, no matter how seemingly strange, right? Because there's
2112
01:46:20.819 --> 01:46:23.439
something there. There's something to all this. You and I
2113
01:46:23.500 --> 01:46:26.399
know that there's a connection. Everything is connected. And as
2114
01:46:26.439 --> 01:46:30.409
Charles Ford once wrote, one measures a circle beginning anywhere.
2115
01:46:30.930 --> 01:46:35.369
It's all connected. It's, it's, I don't believe in coincidence.
2116
01:46:35.609 --> 01:46:36.850
I think it's all synchronicities.
2117
01:46:38.130 --> 01:46:41.409
Absolutely. And, you know, and, and, God blessed me with
2118
01:46:41.430 --> 01:46:43.340
this talent to be able to do this kind of stuff.
2119
01:46:43.399 --> 01:46:45.920
He blessed me with these gifts. Let me use them,
2120
01:46:46.359 --> 01:46:49.319
you know, for the greater good of all, if that's
2121
01:46:49.340 --> 01:46:51.939
what it takes. And the people on my team and
2122
01:46:51.960 --> 01:46:53.359
the people, there's a lot of people like me, a
2123
01:46:53.399 --> 01:46:58.369
lot of psychics out there, a lot of people that
2124
01:46:58.409 --> 01:47:01.069
want to help too. Okay. And even my great grandmother
2125
01:47:01.189 --> 01:47:04.369
and my great aunt who got potentially taken by a
2126
01:47:04.569 --> 01:47:08.760
spacecraft one night. Okay. And I personally, from my perspective,
2127
01:47:08.800 --> 01:47:12.300
I think that they might've been abducted. Okay, by ETs
2128
01:47:12.460 --> 01:47:13.180
or whatever.
2129
01:47:13.199 --> 01:47:14.659
Yeah, that was kind of a feeling that I got.
2130
01:47:14.699 --> 01:47:18.520
But whatever, for however reason, it happened. And I like
2131
01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:20.760
to say a skeptic is just somebody that hasn't had
2132
01:47:20.779 --> 01:47:24.699
the right experience yet. And just from my own experience,
2133
01:47:25.090 --> 01:47:27.909
there's stuff that is so unbelievable and so far out
2134
01:47:27.949 --> 01:47:31.449
of the realm of what we consider a scientific possibility
2135
01:47:31.850 --> 01:47:35.829
that it's not, you know, there's no chance. But unless
2136
01:47:35.869 --> 01:47:37.689
you've been there, unless it's happened to you, unless you're
2137
01:47:37.710 --> 01:47:41.069
an experiencer, You'll never get it. And people like us
2138
01:47:41.109 --> 01:47:44.729
can't explain it well enough, but people won't get it.
2139
01:47:44.770 --> 01:47:47.029
Not everybody will get it until it happens to them.
2140
01:47:47.890 --> 01:47:51.069
And it's all about perspective, too. OK, like I told
2141
01:47:51.090 --> 01:47:54.359
you all, my my grandmother, my great grandmother thought that
2142
01:47:54.460 --> 01:47:56.340
she had been moved out of the way by angels.
2143
01:47:56.979 --> 01:47:59.920
I personally think the E.T. 's took them. OK, I do.
2144
01:47:59.939 --> 01:48:03.640
And I've got a video about that are E.T. 's angels.
2145
01:48:03.739 --> 01:48:06.500
And we've talked about that on this radio show before
2146
01:48:06.520 --> 01:48:09.689
with the pastors from Sound the Show Park. Messianic Ministries.
2147
01:48:10.329 --> 01:48:13.140
I've got a really good video, seasonal video over on
2148
01:48:13.140 --> 01:48:16.909
13 Past Midnight that talks about was Mary visited by
2149
01:48:17.090 --> 01:48:19.970
angels or aliens? And when you put it in that perspective,
2150
01:48:20.819 --> 01:48:25.109
it's really strange, but I don't know. That's my answer.
2151
01:48:25.569 --> 01:48:30.069
But yeah, it's within the realm of possibility. And was
2152
01:48:30.130 --> 01:48:32.710
it you that was telling me about experience where Three
2153
01:48:32.750 --> 01:48:35.210
people hadn't experienced. One person saw a Bigfoot and the
2154
01:48:35.229 --> 01:48:37.409
other two people saw a squirrel. Was that you that
2155
01:48:37.430 --> 01:48:38.050
was telling me that?
2156
01:48:38.630 --> 01:48:40.369
Yeah, it was four people. And it was at a
2157
01:48:40.670 --> 01:48:43.949
state park here in Georgia, near the Georgia Guidestones, where
2158
01:48:43.970 --> 01:48:46.050
they used to be. The Georgia Guidestones were still there
2159
01:48:46.069 --> 01:48:49.689
when that happened. They were exploded months later.
2160
01:48:49.750 --> 01:48:52.270
They got unalive, didn't they? Somebody blew them up.
2161
01:48:53.069 --> 01:48:56.529
They did, yeah. I was called up there to go investigate.
2162
01:48:59.369 --> 01:49:02.689
The state park ranger had contacted me through a friend
2163
01:49:03.390 --> 01:49:05.470
and said that they had had like nine Bigfoot sightings
2164
01:49:05.529 --> 01:49:07.909
in one month. And eventually there was some kind of
2165
01:49:07.930 --> 01:49:12.560
a death had occurred because of a Bigfoot inadvertently, he said.
2166
01:49:13.109 --> 01:49:14.560
And so we got up there and yeah, one of
2167
01:49:14.600 --> 01:49:16.520
the things he took us, I took a scouting team
2168
01:49:16.579 --> 01:49:19.699
up there. We spent a weekend and he took us
2169
01:49:19.720 --> 01:49:21.800
around the entire park and showed us every single place
2170
01:49:21.819 --> 01:49:24.100
where they'd had a Bigfoot sighting or what they thought
2171
01:49:24.140 --> 01:49:27.100
was a Bigfoot sighting. And one of them did include that. Yeah,
2172
01:49:27.119 --> 01:49:29.199
there were some hikers or not hikers. I guess they
2173
01:49:29.220 --> 01:49:31.279
were hikers. They were hiking, they were camping out there.
2174
01:49:31.859 --> 01:49:34.779
It was two couples and they were walking back at
2175
01:49:34.859 --> 01:49:39.149
night from the washroom or the, you know, the lake
2176
01:49:39.210 --> 01:49:41.930
or something to their tents, uh, where they had their,
2177
01:49:42.029 --> 01:49:44.470
their camp set up. And there were two walking in
2178
01:49:44.510 --> 01:49:47.590
the front and then two behind and two to the
2179
01:49:47.630 --> 01:49:50.579
two in the front said that age seven, the nine
2180
01:49:50.619 --> 01:49:52.979
foot tall, big foot had jumped down from a tree
2181
01:49:53.039 --> 01:49:55.579
right in front of them. Something big and hairy, like
2182
01:49:55.619 --> 01:49:58.310
a big foot. And it scared the bejesus out of
2183
01:49:58.350 --> 01:50:00.819
both of them. And they took off running backwards and
2184
01:50:00.859 --> 01:50:03.500
passed the two people that were behind them. And the
2185
01:50:03.539 --> 01:50:05.899
two people that were walking in the back just saw
2186
01:50:05.920 --> 01:50:09.699
a squirrel. Now, I just kind of, I didn't know
2187
01:50:09.779 --> 01:50:12.720
what to make of that. But since I took that report,
2188
01:50:13.500 --> 01:50:16.739
I have had other people tell me similar reports. And
2189
01:50:16.800 --> 01:50:20.180
I never told anybody about that at the time. But
2190
01:50:20.199 --> 01:50:23.449
I've had at least one or two other people who
2191
01:50:23.470 --> 01:50:26.109
would have reported the exact same thing happening in other
2192
01:50:26.149 --> 01:50:26.890
parts of the country.
2193
01:50:28.130 --> 01:50:30.829
And again, that's kind of like Whitley Strieber and his owls,
2194
01:50:30.850 --> 01:50:33.850
you know, he didn't know until much later that he
2195
01:50:33.890 --> 01:50:36.850
wasn't seeing owls. It was either a screen memory that
2196
01:50:36.909 --> 01:50:38.800
his brain had put in there to keep from just
2197
01:50:39.239 --> 01:50:42.220
shattering his psyche and seeing these gray aliens, or it
2198
01:50:42.260 --> 01:50:46.000
was something they had put in there just for whatever means,
2199
01:50:46.039 --> 01:50:50.810
maybe something covert. And that's what, excuse me, Makes me
2200
01:50:50.869 --> 01:50:53.890
question my experience with the two black eyed little girls
2201
01:50:53.909 --> 01:50:56.850
that I saw back in the 90s. In recent years,
2202
01:50:56.909 --> 01:51:00.390
I've come to the realization that that probably wasn't little
2203
01:51:00.430 --> 01:51:02.930
girls at all. That's just what I saw. Either it
2204
01:51:02.970 --> 01:51:05.550
was projected in there or my mind did it to
2205
01:51:06.229 --> 01:51:09.890
cover up. And we touched on black eyed people earlier.
2206
01:51:10.550 --> 01:51:13.449
What about that here lately? I've heard people saying black
2207
01:51:13.550 --> 01:51:16.670
eyed adults. Just your opinion. And I ask a lot
2208
01:51:16.689 --> 01:51:19.479
of people this. Is that the black eyed kids that
2209
01:51:19.500 --> 01:51:21.720
people were seeing back in the 90s? Because those little
2210
01:51:21.739 --> 01:51:24.939
girls that I saw, they would be like in their
2211
01:51:25.079 --> 01:51:27.819
30s or 40s now. Is that the black eyed adults
2212
01:51:27.850 --> 01:51:30.229
that people are seeing or are they a separate entity?
2213
01:51:30.250 --> 01:51:31.729
What's your opinion, Jessica?
2214
01:51:32.229 --> 01:51:34.369
Well, see, the person that I saw was an adult
2215
01:51:34.850 --> 01:51:36.430
and he had black eyes. And that was back in
2216
01:51:36.470 --> 01:51:37.989
the early 2000s, like 2003, 2004, 2002, something like that.
2217
01:51:38.050 --> 01:51:39.939
So it could be maybe they are growing. I don't know.
2218
01:51:39.949 --> 01:51:40.770
Being of a supernatural nature.
2219
01:51:47.649 --> 01:51:51.189
Do they age? I've wondered about that, but I don't know. That's,
2220
01:51:51.229 --> 01:51:52.470
that's scary to think about.
2221
01:51:52.970 --> 01:51:53.250
Yeah.
2222
01:51:53.270 --> 01:51:56.350
Well, you know, I did a show earlier and we
2223
01:51:56.390 --> 01:51:58.069
were talking about the Vril.
2224
01:51:58.090 --> 01:51:58.520
Okay.
2225
01:51:58.529 --> 01:52:00.380
I know this is like a whole other topic right here.
2226
01:52:00.399 --> 01:52:02.880
I'm talking about the Vril and I'm talking about like
2227
01:52:03.239 --> 01:52:06.119
black dark matter and stuff. And we're talking about the
2228
01:52:06.220 --> 01:52:11.350
connection between the Vril and people, people, people being possessed
2229
01:52:11.409 --> 01:52:14.020
and stuff like that too. And the dark matter. I,
2230
01:52:15.020 --> 01:52:17.800
All this stuff is so connected and it had some
2231
01:52:17.819 --> 01:52:19.779
kind of connection to the black eyed children as well.
2232
01:52:19.800 --> 01:52:23.229
And then I'm sure CERN plays in there somehow, the LHC.
2233
01:52:23.810 --> 01:52:26.770
And on your show, we talked about Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
2234
01:52:27.050 --> 01:52:29.970
They're doing some stuff that connects to CERN. My dad
2235
01:52:30.010 --> 01:52:32.510
was a scientist out at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. I've
2236
01:52:32.550 --> 01:52:35.020
heard stories from out there that would turn your hair white.
2237
01:52:35.640 --> 01:52:39.699
But it is. It's all connected. Oh, yeah.
2238
01:52:39.949 --> 01:52:42.390
Well, they have a program there at Oak Ridge Labs. And,
2239
01:52:42.590 --> 01:52:46.430
you know, that's a place where we get dogman sightings
2240
01:52:46.470 --> 01:52:49.770
and reports. And there were two people that were actually
2241
01:52:49.869 --> 01:52:53.529
mauled to death by what was said to be packs
2242
01:52:53.569 --> 01:52:54.449
of wild dogs.
2243
01:52:54.829 --> 01:52:56.369
And, you know, you heard that there for a while
2244
01:52:56.430 --> 01:52:58.949
in the news. There was packs of dogs going around
2245
01:52:58.989 --> 01:53:01.590
attacking people. You don't hear it anymore. But I think
2246
01:53:01.649 --> 01:53:04.170
it was just cover up for dogmen. I mean, that
2247
01:53:04.210 --> 01:53:07.939
just doesn't happen. And on Tales Untold, I've got a
2248
01:53:07.949 --> 01:53:12.789
video over there. about some documents that came off of blackvault.com
2249
01:53:13.189 --> 01:53:17.350
where they talked about animal experimentation. I heard firsthand stories
2250
01:53:17.729 --> 01:53:20.189
about some of the animal experimentation that went on out
2251
01:53:20.229 --> 01:53:24.149
there at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. And years ago, the
2252
01:53:24.189 --> 01:53:26.550
American Museum of Science and Energy, I think it's still
2253
01:53:26.569 --> 01:53:28.569
there in Oak Ridge. But as part of one of
2254
01:53:28.609 --> 01:53:32.350
their exhibits, they had some animals that, smaller animals there,
2255
01:53:32.750 --> 01:53:36.319
that had had experiments performed on them and stuff. And,
2256
01:53:36.359 --> 01:53:39.760
you know, that's not in a very favorable light now.
2257
01:53:39.800 --> 01:53:43.039
So that exhibit and those animals where you could actually
2258
01:53:43.100 --> 01:53:45.119
see them and interact with them, that's long, long gone.
2259
01:53:45.159 --> 01:53:50.359
This was back in the 70s. But it wouldn't surprise me.
2260
01:53:50.640 --> 01:53:55.970
The whole super soldier thing. And there's something to all that. Okay.
2261
01:53:56.010 --> 01:53:58.770
Well, I've got a couple of things to say about that. Because, well,
2262
01:53:58.810 --> 01:54:01.149
first of all, they do have a program at the
2263
01:54:01.229 --> 01:54:04.489
Oak Ridge Labs called Alice. Like Alice in Wonderland, like
2264
01:54:04.529 --> 01:54:08.420
down the rabbit hole, right? It's called ALICE. It's an
2265
01:54:08.520 --> 01:54:12.380
acronym that stands for a Large Ion Collider Experiment. Now,
2266
01:54:12.420 --> 01:54:16.949
they work directly with CERN in Switzerland on this project.
2267
01:54:16.989 --> 01:54:21.310
It is a hydrogen collider, hydrogen collider. And so you
2268
01:54:21.510 --> 01:54:24.270
got to wonder, like, what are they opening up there?
2269
01:54:24.329 --> 01:54:26.529
What kind of portals are they opening? What kind of
2270
01:54:26.590 --> 01:54:31.579
dimensional stuff's going on there? It makes you wonder. And
2271
01:54:32.060 --> 01:54:35.779
also there was the, there's, okay, so I was given,
2272
01:54:36.239 --> 01:54:40.819
the two maulings of Amber Miller and Tony Aaron's as remote,
2273
01:54:40.859 --> 01:54:43.819
two separate remote viewing targets back when, after that happened,
2274
01:54:43.899 --> 01:54:47.399
both of them died. And I was seeing something that
2275
01:54:47.520 --> 01:54:50.180
I kept seeing, and both these targets are blind targets,
2276
01:54:50.199 --> 01:54:51.659
but I kept getting the same data. It was like
2277
01:54:51.699 --> 01:54:54.079
a zombie bear. It's like a zombie bear. What the
2278
01:54:54.140 --> 01:54:57.199
hell is a zombie bear? And, and I, and I
2279
01:54:57.239 --> 01:54:59.319
was asked to talk about some of that data on
2280
01:54:59.479 --> 01:55:00.159
a live show.
2281
01:55:00.229 --> 01:55:00.590
And I was.
2282
01:55:00.630 --> 01:55:04.869
Really kind of embarrassed and a little, I felt bad because,
2283
01:55:04.909 --> 01:55:09.470
you know, This is sensitive information. This is a sensitive subject.
2284
01:55:09.810 --> 01:55:13.369
These people's families could be watching me, okay, and watching
2285
01:55:13.430 --> 01:55:15.329
my show because, you know, like we said, people just
2286
01:55:15.369 --> 01:55:18.750
want answers to a lot of this. Well, Amber actually,
2287
01:55:19.109 --> 01:55:22.060
her family, she survived for like five days, I think,
2288
01:55:22.760 --> 01:55:27.220
after she was found. A large percentage of her flesh
2289
01:55:27.300 --> 01:55:32.060
was missing from whatever attacked her. I'm talking about like
2290
01:55:32.060 --> 01:55:35.739
90% of her flesh, I think, 70-something, 90. 70 to
2291
01:55:35.739 --> 01:55:38.949
90% of her flesh was missing on her body. Tony
2292
01:55:39.010 --> 01:55:42.869
Aaron's was also mauled to death by something. They said
2293
01:55:42.890 --> 01:55:45.210
there were wild dogs. I was, when I remote view
2294
01:55:45.229 --> 01:55:46.970
both of them, I kept coming up with zombie bear.
2295
01:55:47.829 --> 01:55:50.840
Now there was a news article that one of my
2296
01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:54.779
viewers had sent to me from Israeli news. And it
2297
01:55:54.840 --> 01:56:01.680
was talking about funding that our US government, our military,
2298
01:56:01.739 --> 01:56:04.520
let's just say, had gone before Congress to get some
2299
01:56:04.579 --> 01:56:07.699
funding changed. And this article is about that. Now I
2300
01:56:07.760 --> 01:56:09.039
still have the link to that show.
2301
01:56:09.060 --> 01:56:09.699
Okay.
2302
01:56:09.739 --> 01:56:12.630
To that, to that news report, because they showed like
2303
01:56:12.810 --> 01:56:15.430
a dead dog, man, or something like a dog, man
2304
01:56:15.449 --> 01:56:17.829
out of Brazil on this. And it was, it was
2305
01:56:17.869 --> 01:56:19.630
kind of eye catching, but this lady sent me the
2306
01:56:19.670 --> 01:56:24.939
message and she said, Jessica, this could be your zombie bear.
2307
01:56:25.180 --> 01:56:26.800
This could explain the zombie bear. She's like, you got
2308
01:56:26.819 --> 01:56:29.500
to watch this report. So I've watched it. And in
2309
01:56:29.520 --> 01:56:32.810
this report, this gentleman was talking about how the, someone,
2310
01:56:32.869 --> 01:56:35.189
they had gone before Congress to change the funding because
2311
01:56:35.210 --> 01:56:38.270
they needed to eliminate the assets from a super soldier
2312
01:56:38.310 --> 01:56:42.289
project that had gone awry. Okay. It had gone, it
2313
01:56:42.310 --> 01:56:45.739
had gotten out of control. They said that special forces
2314
01:56:45.779 --> 01:56:51.600
soldiers had volunteered. They said volunteered, but who knows, to
2315
01:56:51.680 --> 01:56:55.859
become super soldiers, to be injected with some genetics, some DNA,
2316
01:56:55.880 --> 01:57:02.340
some something, some gene modification that included wolf, bear, and
2317
01:57:02.439 --> 01:57:03.020
something else.
2318
01:57:04.439 --> 01:57:07.319
That's an explanation there. You can see there on the screen,
2319
01:57:07.340 --> 01:57:13.189
I'm on the ORNL.gov site. Alice experiment recreates the universe's
2320
01:57:13.659 --> 01:57:18.630
first split second. And that says Eric's Alice experiment at
2321
01:57:18.689 --> 01:57:23.250
the LHC, the large Hadron collider image credit CERN. There
2322
01:57:23.270 --> 01:57:26.689
you go. I mean, it's, it's there. Yeah. There's a
2323
01:57:26.930 --> 01:57:29.850
media contact here. I'm thinking about getting in touch with
2324
01:57:29.890 --> 01:57:32.050
this guy and seeing what he has to say about that.
2325
01:57:32.069 --> 01:57:35.109
Of course, it'd be from a scientific perspective. They're not
2326
01:57:35.149 --> 01:57:38.090
going to give away any secrets. Like, oh, you got us,
2327
01:57:38.109 --> 01:57:42.159
you know, but anyway, well, Jessica, unfortunately we are out
2328
01:57:42.199 --> 01:57:46.119
of time here for this week and I could easily
2329
01:57:46.180 --> 01:57:48.039
go another couple of hours with you. I'd love to
2330
01:57:48.079 --> 01:57:51.159
have you back on again sometime. We've covered a lot
2331
01:57:51.189 --> 01:57:54.210
of ground here on this episode of everything out there.
2332
01:57:54.229 --> 01:57:57.149
Just in closing, Let the people know where they can
2333
01:57:57.189 --> 01:57:57.949
find you, please.
2334
01:57:58.609 --> 01:58:00.819
Thank you, Steve. This has been so fun. I appreciate
2335
01:58:00.840 --> 01:58:03.600
you having me on tonight. Everybody can go find me
2336
01:58:03.680 --> 01:58:08.090
on my YouTube channel. That's The Cryptid Huntress on YouTube.
2337
01:58:08.149 --> 01:58:10.930
I'm also on Rumble, The Cryptid Huntress. i do have
2338
01:58:10.970 --> 01:58:14.590
a website that's the cryptid huntress.com you can pretty much
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find me everywhere at the cryptid huntress on x i
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am huntress jessica but other than that i do have
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live shows over there on my youtube channel every um
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let's see wednesday at 1 p.m eastern thursday at 8 p.m
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eastern and saturday nights at 10 p.m. Eastern. You can
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find me over there. So thanks again, Steve.
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This has been awesome. My pleasure. It's been fun. And
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I'll put links to all that in the show notes.
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So on behalf of Jessica Jones, the Cryptid Huntress, and myself,
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we'll see you a little further on down the trail.
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Tell your animals we said hi. Good night, everybody.
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