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Speaker 1: We got Steve Last at the bottom of the hour to talk about the life.
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Speaker 2: And times of the late great Bill Maserowski.
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Speaker 1: But right now we're gonna keep wrapping up the Olympic Hockey Tournament with Mount Lebanon Zone. You see him on Sports at Pittsburgh. He's former NHL defenseman Matt Bartkowski. Matt, what's your take on our local boys, Trochick and Miller. They did a great job on the p K eighteen out of eighteen on the tournament, and that five on three on Sunday was epic.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was unbelievable. I mean, being able to kill every single penalty, I mean that's something in and of itself, and then that five on three was just the icing on the cake. And then the other situations. I mean they're out there and D zone, you know D zone draws and the games I mean they're playing. They were playing the hard minutes and based on you know, teams they've been on and being more different roles, the scoring roles. Vin Spence maybe a little more playing playing those minutes all the time, but Jt especially just more power play, you know, getting points and stuff, being able to fill into those roles and exceeding them. I mean, it was just awesome.
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Speaker 1: What's that take to kill a five on three? I know you've done it. It's a weird setup because usually teams use two forwards in one d, which isn't what you'd think, but to me, it's always made sense.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it takes a little bit of luck in a really good goalie. I think Hella Bucks obviously the big reason they killed that one off and inevitably won the game. But may it depends on what the other team's doing, which in the case of that game, I really didn't like how it was. Canada was almost in still a one to three one setup or even you know, more of a like a pentagon instead of a box and one, which is pretty pretty standard. And then you see mccarr at the top just creeping in, which makes it easier for the US to to kill off the penalty when normally you kind of want to stretch the five on three out and get one of them out of position, move the puck around, get a shot, you know, and then once one of them gets out of position, which will happen, you need the goalie to make a huge say on a backdoor pass or a scene pass, but you know they didn't. Canada helped them a little bit, but at the end of the day, the US they just stayed so tight. They didn't let any of those cross teams anything through the house, like the low paths through the crease, which is which is always going to kill you on a five on three. And then hellabuck is still on his head. I mean, that was that was incredible.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that Trocheck and Miller needed to be vindicated bart because they're obviously great players, but they were somewhat controversial picks over guys like robertson the cawfield. So from that standpoint, I'm even happier for them because had the US lost, whether rightly or wrongly, fingers might have got pointed.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I think they certainly would have got pointed. And I think you're right that they sort of needed to be vindicated. I just think also the way that the year has gone for them and in New York and that team just taking an absolute nose dive and now selling off out. Yeah yeah, and Sally and David Quinn and and just the whole thing they put in place. It was kind of, at least in my eyes too, and and everybody else's. It was kind of like, why are we taking some of these people? Not those two, but in general some of the people they passed on, like Robertson, Coffield and whoever. I think it certainly does vindicate him, and and it was just kind of the team that Billy was building. He wasn't building the best, you know, highest point getting whatever you want to call it, most skilled team. He was building a team with a purpose. Vincent JT were picked to play the hard minutes, play the diesel minutes, shut down the other team, stop lines in, penally kill, and I mean the results speak for themselves.
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Speaker 1: Now, did anybody on the US surprise you per se anybody perform above and beyond to your mind?
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Speaker 3: Surprise me? Uh? I'd say Jack Echel maybe a little bit surprised me, But then again he's pretty pretty good, So not really. The other one, not necessarily me, but I think opened a lot of eyes to everyone is Matt Boldie and how good he is only only played a few years now. I was able to play with him for a little bit in Iowa when we saw it there. I mean, he was just he's just his his mind for the game, he plays hard, he plays plays bigger than he is, and he's really solid on his skates, so he's tough to handle. His offensive skill is off the charts. He has that scoring touch which we saw on the breakaway in the gold medal game. I think he opened eyes to everybody who hasn't seen him play in Minnesota, just because you know, like out here, we don't get to see them play a lot, and then they're right in the middle, so how West, they don't see him much either, So I think he would be the one that really open eyes. And then the other one is just Hella Bucks finally getting it done right because he's always had that knack and in playoffs he's won vesnins before and then you know, has a bad game or two in playoffs and gets kind of you know, gets them bumped out of the first round. I think for him to be able to play that well for that extended period of time and then especially in the gold medal game, it's really good for him to be able to continue what he does and get it done in a high pressure situation.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about Bartkowski here on the Mark Madden Show. How good are the US brothers? Bart and how much do you like them as players?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean Jack Hughes he's built for the three on three, the skill games. As soon as he went into overtime, I think I was like, well, Jack Hughes is probably gonna score here. He's just high level, high skill, you know. That's that's the way the way he plays. And then Quinn Hughes, he's just I mean, he's a horseback there. He's not built like one, but he logs so many minutes, seems to always make the right play, which is just astonishing. And just his skill and his ability to make players around him better. And that's not just because when he's on the ice, people are have an eye on him and other guys seem to get open. He's just you know, the way he distributes the puck, the way he gets himself into positions to create space for other guys and and and and set them up just perfectly is incredible. His you know, people talk about a d making a good first pass, Well, his first pass usually results in an odd man rush or something, you know. And then he's not the biggest guy, but because his feet are so good and he has such an unbelievable stick he's a good defender, So maybe another guy that kind of opened some eyes at least on the NHL level of you know how good he is, and it just, you know, it kind of trickles down from what Billy's been able to add into uh Minnesota this year in years past with guys like Boulding and guys like Quinn Hughes and and uh, you know, we don't really talk about him all that much. Just like I said, we're out here and we don't see him play, But now that you're seeing those guys play, it'll raise more attention.
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Speaker 1: No, and they're in the wrong time zone that's Central and Mountain time zone. In terms of being a star, that's just death. What what if Sid plays? That's a cliche question. How much of a difference does he make? I even at seventy percent, if that's what he was bart, they could have used him on that five on three. I think he would have kept it more simple and maybe cleared up some of the things you'd just talked about.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's hard not to think that based on how that game went, that Sid wouldn't have found a way to score just the big goals he scored in the pass and his mentality and that's you know, that's not to take away from any of the other Canadian players. They you know, they probably should have won that game, right Sid, Sid? And yeah, but but Sid Sid and guys like him just find a way to get things done in those situations. So it's it's hard not to think that that he wouldn't have scored at some point, especially in the third period once Canada was really landed on. Uh. But you know, at the end of the day, who really knows?
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Speaker 1: No, No, I always say what could have happened? Did in in the US won the game and deservedly? So now I know the answer to this already. But did you like three on three over time in those playoffs? Because old school says no, but they were very exciting.
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Speaker 3: No, I didn't like it at all. It was me, yeah, yeah, great, it's exciting. We get three rushes, we get a we get a two rushes by the US and rush by Canada. Whoever turns over the pucker gets an unlucky bounce first loses a game. So I didn't like it, especially in that game. What's on the line, how the game was going to like we had a great game going. Uh, the entire game was just I mean you're sitting on the edge of your seat and then it just goes into three on stream and you're like, oh, well, well, you know there is some luck involved in it too. I mean, you can get a you can get a puck that hits off a reft foot, goes right down in the middle of somebody gets a breakaway like you know, somebody catches a catches a rut, falls down. You know, it's just stuff like that. There's just too much chance that's involved in it. It's just a different brand of hockey. It's you play it completely different and to see it go from how not not to say that overtime wasn't exciting, but I just think it's there to I don't know, probably because the TV people don't want to sell ads. They want to get the game over with, so they'll like go to three on three and get it over No.
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Speaker 1: I think the biggest part of it here is that they you know, the closing ceremonies are after and they're on TV two, and hockey's only a fraction of the Olympics.
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Speaker 2: So I get it.
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Speaker 1: And like I said, I like the exciting moments, But it begs the question what happened on that overtime goal because Canada fell apart and Pierre maguire was on earlier Barton he put forth a notion that McDavid, mccarr and McKinnon, who were all out there, were exhausted because they just played too many minutes the whole tournament, that Cooper mismanaged his bench.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if they were exhausted or not. I wouldn't have had them out there. Like the first shift they were out there, you saw McDavid go down and try and beat everybody one on three, not get back, and then Bennington had to make that on real save on Quinn Hughes right, Yeah, and then he puts them right back out there. But I would have a player like Celebrini now with McDavid and McKinnon, because you know McDavid and mckinn are each going to try and do it themselves. That Celebrini seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders and be able to, yeah, not give up something like that. But on on the goal specifically, same thing, McDavid goes down, tries to beat everybody. It's just not going to work. I mean maybe in the regular season if you're playing against some of their guys, but at that level, even for him, it's not gonna work. And then mccarr takes a chance UH and Jack Hughes got to stick on it. If mccarr gets that puck cannon, it probably wins the game. But since he doesn't, you know, they go down and the rest is history. Pierre's probably alluding to facts that if if you watch the clip from the from UH, I guess it would be Labu's point of view, you can kind of see how McDavid wasn't able to get back and get back the block the pass. But I don't know if that's them being tired or not. Like to think that those guys are in such good shape. I don't think they're tired of that point of the game. I just didn't like the line combo of having those two out at the same time. In overtime.
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Speaker 1: The US guys seem very tight knit, which is easy to do when you win. But a lot of people are crediting the US developmental program that those guys have known each other since they were kids and they're that much tighter.
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Speaker 2: Do you put any stock in that.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess there's a little bit of stock, but it's not like they all played together for two three years growing up, if at all.
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Speaker 2: Right, because they're all in the same AIDE group.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Canada has their own development program. It's not the USNTDP where they have their own team, but they play World Juniors together and everything like that. I just think that this is the first time olympically in a while, well we haven't had the Olympics in a while, right, but the first time that the US had a legitimate team on paper, right, because if you looked on paper, it's a lot closer than it has been in years pass, right, a.
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Speaker 1: Team you could look at and say, okay, they can win this game and maybe even should.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And they even had that in a while, So I think that naturally brings them together. And then the ramp up from the four Nations too, I mean that, I think that definitely added something because you had in essence, the same exact teams playing again in a final for a gold medal. But yeah, I don't I don't think the US and t DP really other other than them knowing each other and maybe playing together for a year. I don't. I don't really think that adds that much.
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Speaker 1: One thing's for sure, this is a pretty even rivalry now, and you almost are sorry it's not gonna happen for two more years with the World Cup.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, it's it's like we were saying, it's the most even we've seen it a long time. It'll be interesting to see how they carry it forward with if if they're going to play in the next Olympics, if you know, the four Nations one that's gonna happen, the World Cup all that. I hope they get to play more often because, like like we've been saying that, this is about even as it's gonna be. Now. The flip side of it is, if Canada gets a goalie that's like Connor Hellibucker, you know, plays like Connor Hellibuck, then not that Bennington didn't play well, but if they get a stud goalie, then it's gonna flip heavily back towards the Canadian I think Bart.
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Speaker 1: Is always great stuff. Thanks for the input. We'll do it again soon. Thanks a lot, Mark, that's the great. Matt Bart Cooski from Sports at Pittsburgh played in the NHL and he is Mount Lebanon's own. Get your calls in now for calls on the fifteens. We've got a ton to talk about, not least can Jack Hughes be the face of hockey now?
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Speaker 3: Should he be?
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Speaker 1: And we'll hockey afford him that opportunity. The trains move and you got to jump on board. But the NHL's too dumb to do that. And also Peng was made to trade Kulak to Colorado for Girard and a second round pick.
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Speaker 1: I don't think we've had enough baseball talk today because I'm not gonna do football talk until there's actual news. Omar Khan babbling incoherently about nothing that matters at the Combine today, the Combine also doesn't matter. That's no good. The powers to getting ready to play hockey season. You got the Olympics and the Penguins returning. That's what's important. If you'd like to chime in dial A three three four one two w XTX. Thanks to Bart for joining us, and we got uh Steve Blast talking about Bill Mazeroski. Uh in just a little bit right now, Let's go to John, John, you're on with Mark.
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Speaker 3: I'm Mark? What up? John?
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Speaker 5: Hey?
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Speaker 6: You think with Yager officially retiring now, he will be interested in taking a coaching position or something behind the scenes with Penguins, No.
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Speaker 1: Anything else, that's all yep. Yeah, what would make you think he'd want to coach? That's just absurd. Thank you for the call, though, And I wasn't aware he officially retired. And if he did say that, well we've heard that before and the next thing you know, he's back playing in the Czech Beer League. I would like to see him get in the Hall of Fame though, before he dies, for that matter, before I die.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Dick.
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Speaker 1: Dick, you're on with double m Uh.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I wanted to give my thoughts on the tree, but before I do, real quick, no one has mentioned that Hella Buck actually got credited with an assist on that game winning goal.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that.
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Speaker 1: That's something isn't it to get an assist and have the game of your life as a goaltender.
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Speaker 2: But I have a suspicion. I don't have any stats to back this up, Dick, but I bet that.
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Speaker 1: Happens quite a bit in three on three because the goalie makes a save and then the play goes the other way as it did there.
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Speaker 3: Right. But regarding the trade, the good is, I've been a big Gerard fan all his career.
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Speaker 2: I've been reading a lot.
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Speaker 1: I've been reading some tweets from guys like Eric Johnson, the former ALVS defenseman who I know and who's in the media now, and and e J pointed out that that Gerard is a real glue guy. Now, whether that applies immediately in Pittsburgh after being so long in Denver, I do not know.
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Speaker 2: But that's a good thing to hear.
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Speaker 3: Well, he's once. The bad is he's definitely injury prone, right, always been out five.
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Speaker 5: Games, ten games, whatever.
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Speaker 3: But one thing you noted that Letang is particular about his deep air. He is Quebec Wah Gerard, so maybe that makes him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think Tangers as concerned about that as he is. He likes a defenseman that can move the puck. He doesn't like playing with the defensive defenseman like you would figure him being so offensive. He likes the guy who can partner up with him in terms of puck movement, and I think Gerard does bring an element of that, even if he's not a big pointsky. Let's go to Chris Chris Ron with double M.
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Speaker 6: Hey, Mark, Hey, I want to get your opinion on Tom Wilson at his presidence there. He's brought in to be a physical presence and Ratka Goodis is just running people. And what do you think of this play?
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Speaker 1: Well, you can't, you can't fight the Olympics. I think Wilson's a waste of space having a lucky year. I think he's a goon, a more skilled goon, a more productive goon than most, But a goon's a goon.
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Speaker 2: And he wasted a roster spot for Canada.
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Speaker 3: Period.
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Speaker 1: Tom Wilson wait hosted a roster spot for Canada.
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Speaker 1: We lost an all time pirate great on Friday when Bill Mazerowski passed away. Joining us now to talk about his former teammate is another all time Bucco great. Always a pleasure to talk to Steve Blass. Steve, thanks for joining me. And it's obvious to open up with Bill Mazerowski was one of a kind, wasn't the quiet, unassuming and a great baseball player.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely Mark and good to be with you again. You know he was. He was a heck of a ballplayer, maybe a better man, A reluctant hero, never tooted his own horn. You know. He always had an attitude. If you're going to get accolades, let him come from somebody else, not yourself. And I cherished the time I had him. He helped me go from being a ballplayer to a major leaguer. I loved watching him change the direction of a baseball unbelievably, and I always enjoyed guys trying to take him out, and then those runners would be carried off because he never gave any ground. I remember Ron Stone from the Ptilies went in hard. His fights went all the way up to Mas's chest and then they brought out a cart to carry him back into the dugout. But he was one. He was just a great person that happened to be a good ballplayer, great ballplayer. You know.
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Speaker 1: It's funny because, as you said, Steve Mas didn't brag about the home run, but in the number of times I interviewed him, he never minded talking about it.
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Speaker 2: If you brought it up, he'd tell you everything you wanted to know.
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Speaker 1: And I recall him saying, why wouldn't you talk about that home run all the time?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely? Yeah, you make a good point. And you know, you consider the thousands of times that people came up and all of what, hey, man, the home run, the home run, I was here? Where was I when I heard it? And all that kind of stuff. He never said no, He never turned down. You know, he always considered answering those requests, and he was very much aware of the impact that home run made on the city of Pittsburgh, the Pittsburgh Pirates, the game of baseball. But yeah, he didn't need a brag about it. But you know, the thing is watching him play second base, and you know, there's no reason the best second basement of all times shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. It shouldn't have taken that long, but he's in there. I sometimes when I go out and talk, I said, you know, I'm one of the few people that know the second half of Mass's Hall of Fame speech, And then he said, what is it? I said, that's right.
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Speaker 1: He broke down real quick and wrapped it up. But that was somehow appropriate because that was just so Bill Mazeroski and Steve. I was a kid when I first saw Mass play, and he was in his prime in the field, well his prime period, because what a clutch Hittery was, which we'll get to in a moment, but seeing him turn a double play was like a magic trick. He got rid of it so quick. When I'm a kid, I like, what's he doing? I couldn't figure it out.
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Speaker 5: Well, the thing is, I was the same way when I went to spring training as an eighteen year old in nineteen sixty one. I watched him, How does that happen? And you know I got to figure it out because I saw him so much. That ball coming from a shortstop or a third basement. It just bounced off that crap golfy glove he had, but it just bounced. He had the throwing hand was right there and the ball just bounced, you know, a couple of inches, but it slapped that leather into the throwing hand and it turned direction. It was incredible, and you know him and him and Groat and then him and Geene Alley. Uh, unbelievable stuff he did. You know, I always go back mark to the fact that he set those records on a piece of crap infield, to be quite honest, Oh.
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Speaker 1: The alabaster plaster Forbes field, it was like impossible.
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Speaker 5: To read, oh, I know. And when we would anytime we went on a road trip, they would put the tarp on it and bake it until we got back. And you know, opposing infielders, several teams would not take infield practice for that reason. It was so rough, and you know, you don't know what the bounce is going to do. Well, the Yankees found out what the bouce could do, and the boughs hid Tony Kubeck in the throat an obvious double playball. But I respect the guys that broke his record in a way because of the numbers that are good players. Would I would present the fact that I don't think they might have broken those records if they had to play on the same surface.
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Speaker 1: Maz held all the DP records, no doubt, and just I agree, Steve the best second baseman I've ever seen, certainly, and part of that was he made fielding into a science, as he proved when he helped make Neil Walker into a second basement after Neil had never played there.
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Speaker 2: He was a big factor.
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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, Yeah, Neil was a catcher originally. And I talked to Neil about that very thing the day before yesterday, went to the game in Florida, and Neil is gushing about the way that Neil that Maz helped him, the way that Maz dealt with him as a person, and yeah, yeah, that's not easy to do at the major league level. Come on, and Maz had plenty of time for that, and he had time for everybody. That's that's the thing. You know. He never liked to talk a lot. He was a reluctant hero. But if you approached him, he had time for you. And you know that's the milia he helped me. You know, I was thinking about that. There's three things that he really helped me with early, early, when I was a young kid. Come just to spring training with those guys. First of all, when I was a rookie in sixty four, he's you know, it was tough love. He said, you know, hey, you're in the big leagues now, no excuses. Nobody cares about why you failed. They want to hear about why you succeeded. And then he said, you know, don't ever forget the name on the front of the uniform is more important in the back. And then it kind of a subtle thing, he said, Steve, if somebody flatters you enough by asking for your autograph, write it so they can read it. You know, mass could have just signed mask forever and it would have been fine. His signature is one of the best on the Bubblegump cars and stuff. So every time he turned around, he helped me go from again from being a ballplayer to a major leaguer. And you know, we actually roomed a couple of years. And here's a story that I think you'll enjoy. September fifth, nineteen sixty nine, I hit my only home run in big leagues. Blom and I were Madsen together on his birthday. That was his birthday Chicago home game. We're back on the street celebrating his birthday. My home run at four o'clock in the afternoon, and we made it count the next day. I had four days coming off. He had to play the next day, and when we got back after the game, he said, every ball went up in the infield. I saw seven balls and I caught him all.
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Speaker 1: We're talking to Steve last about the great Bill Mazerowski here on the Mark Madden Show. I got to ask you about his glove because when I was a kid, I was sitting down close to the first baseline at Forestfield with my mother and Mas was my favorite part. By the way, I have both your autographs from back then to prove what you just said about about signing autographs. And I saw him Ass's glove and how flimsy and little it was, and I said to my mom, because mass was my favorite part, I want a glove like that.
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Speaker 2: And my mom had seen me feel and knew.
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Speaker 1: I needed a lot more help and said it's not such a good idea, but talk about that glove.
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Speaker 5: Steve, Well, you know, the whole background of that glove was there wasn't so much leather that the ball could get stuck in it. It was just it was kind of just a rebound piece of leather for him to have it hit. And that glove bounce into very quickly, automatically into the throwing hand. And that's what made him so quick. There was you know, it looked like crap, but it worked for Bill because there was nothing to it other than just a surface to bounce it back into that throwing hand. And you know, and not only yeah, we talk about the double play, we talk about the tough surface at Forbes Field, but you know, you tests on the fact that he could get hits when they were needed as evidence maybe by that home run. Perhaps not just that home run. No, No, he was he was a solid hitter. He solid Nobody pays attention to that, but you know, he was a complete he was the complete major league baseball player.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 5: And not even talking yet about personality, because he was he was terrifical. He was terrifical of the fans, the media. You know, he didn't like to speak and and do a lot of interview stuff. But he did it because it was part of the deal and got to know him so well. And I just I just value the time that, you know, I came up when there were still some of those sixty guys left and that group of Bob Friend and Vernon Law and mass you know, what an environment to grow up in the big leagues with.
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Speaker 1: Now you've been around Pittsburgh a long time. Is Mas's home run the biggest moment in Pittsburgh sports history? I think it isn't It even predates me, albeit by just a couple of months. Steve, And I think that's the biggest upset ever in baseball.
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Speaker 5: Oh my goodness. Yeah, I mean it was. It was a nonsensical game, ten to nine, not one strikeout in that game, and uh, somebody who was somebody was going to do something spectacular. And you know, we talk about Franco's immacular reception and Stanley Cups. Yep, I respect all of them. But baseball owned sports when back when exactly it.
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Speaker 1: Was the big it was like football is now, maybe bigger without the benefit of social media and the camera being.
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Speaker 5: Everywhere, absolutely, and you know, you know, and then and then Mask and Miley and go up and sit in Shanley Park and just and just talk.
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Speaker 2: About it after Game seven.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, oh my god. And you know, just yeah, he I think it's there's nothing bigger because of timing as I said during that during that age. And you know Mickey Manno didn't hit a home run of the ninth doing it. Roger Marris didn't. Oh, this guy the second Basement from the Pirates did it. And it just think think of Clemeny's legacy and then think of Mass's legacy. I mean, you got maybe tied for first in the overall picture, but the spectacular nature of Mass has to take the cake.
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Speaker 1: Steve, thank you so much for joining me. And I got to tell you I would give anything to be back at Forbes Field one more time.
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Speaker 2: How about you.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely you know that was my field when I came up in the big leagues four fifty seven to center. What a place to fish except for the ball I threw to William McCovey over the four fifty seven son signed that a friend of mine says, every Monday evening at ten o'clock in the eastern sky, you can you'll see that ball going around the earth. Other than that, it was. It was great. It's always good to be with him.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Steve. Great stuff, and I hope I talk to you soon.
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Speaker 5: My pleasure to look forward to it.
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Speaker 1: That's the great Steve Blast talking about Bill Mazerowski and I and I do. I wasn't kidding, I have. I was an autograph kid. I have so many Steve Blast autographs, so many Bill Mazeroski autographs, so many Roberto Clementi autographs. What a gracious group of guys that was back then, and with one exception, but no need to bring that up. But yeah, Bill Mazeroski and I told this story Friday when we got the news that mass passed. The first fan letter I ever wrote as a kid, I was nine. I wrote Bill Mazerowski and he sent me back an autograph postcard, which I still have and I will treasure that till the day I die. Time not ass mark anything eight three three four one two w xdx. That's eight three three four one two wxdx, or you can leave a talk back via the iHeartMedia app.
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Speaker 2: That's People's Hyphengas dot com. Let's go to a talkback first at Double M.
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Speaker 9: What was that nonsense saying Crosby was trying to keep somebody off of the Canadian roster.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's crazy. There's nothing in his back.
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Speaker 2: This guy off there. It was a stupid thing.
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Speaker 1: Somebody said Crosby lobby to keep Connor Bdard off Team Canada because he didn't go to the World Championships last year.
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Speaker 2: That's just nonsense.
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Speaker 1: Just didn't happen, totally, something Sid would never consider doing. And when I've spoken to Sid, he's always spoken very highly of Connor Bdard as a player and as a kid.
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Speaker 2: So just did not happen. Let's go a talkback.
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Speaker 3: If you could pick any man to do the two man lose with, who would it be?
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Speaker 2: And why Zach Effrin? For obvious reasons? What's good of Tim? Tim Rerell with Double M.
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Speaker 9: BI Mark Tom thought this would be appropriate to tell this Bill Masarowski story during this segment. But a couple of years ago, Chas Palm and Terry brought his one man show to Pittsburgh about a Bronx tale, which the story of his life is in the fifties as a kid in the Bronx.
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Speaker 1: Well, right, because in the movie in the movie, the kid talks about how I don't know if Bill Mazerowski's mentioned by name in the movie, but the kid talks about how Mickey Mantle got his heartbroken in Game seven of the nineteen sixty World Series.
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Speaker 9: Yes, And at the play he utters the line he says, I hate Bill Nazerowski because Bill Mazerowski made Nicky Mantle cry. And when he did that, the entire bay in theater Mark erupted in applause, to the point where it took him by surprise, and he stopped for a second. But you know, he's a proach. We got his equal irbian back and on with the play, which was really good. And and afterwards he came out and this was the best part. He came out to do a chat with the audience. Mark and he looked around. He says, I've done this play hundreds of times. In that linees never got a remark, but I figured you people would do that, and you could tell even Van Mark he still hated Bill Mazeroski for making Mickey Mall cry.
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Speaker 3: It was so good.
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Speaker 2: I'm still glad Bill Mazeroski did it. Thank you for the call.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to a talkback.
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Speaker 10: Hey, super genius Eric in Toledo. Hey, earlier today, you said that New Jersey has never had any real superstars in the NHL, and I was just curious, did you ever consider Alexander m'gilney as one. I'm not sure I do, but there are some who would argue mart hambro Door was the greatest goaltender ever. Would you qualify him as a superstar?
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Speaker 1: First off, I said that New Jersey never had a superstar forwards, Martin Berdor was a superstar. Are arguably the greatest goal in NHL history, has more wins than any goal in NHL history, and has three Stanley Cupp Rings as well. But my point has always been Goalies don't draw money. Goalies don't sell tickets. Goalies don't get somebody to turn on the TV. Nobody ever watches a hockey game, whether in person or on TV, hoping the puck does not go in the nets. Everybody wants to red light the crowd to roar. You don't want to go into your net, but it's still an exciting moment if it does. The all time leading score I think for New Jersey is Patrick Eliosh, who I would not call a superstar forward. Alex mcgilney was a superstar forward, but he did not spend the best years of his career with New Jersey. So I think, didn't Alex just get in the Hall of Fame? If so, it was long overdue. If not, he should be. Let's go to Steve. Steve, you're on with double M.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Mark, what's going on?
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Speaker 2: Yow it up?
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Speaker 3: Hey? I had a question about your IQ. Wouldn't we you tested?
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Speaker 2: And what test did you use?
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Speaker 3: And are you a member of MENSA?
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Speaker 1: I'm not a member of MENSA. I feel no need to congregate with those who claim to be as smart as me. Frankly, I adopt their claims because I've met people who claim to have an higher IQ, but no one who in conversation proved anything near it was tested.
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Speaker 2: It was either third or fourth grade.
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Speaker 1: I forget which test, but it was a standard test as administered to all the kids. And I keep getting told by people, while you should take it again, improve it. First off, I don't need to prove anything to the citizens. Second off, your IQ does not change. It does not go up and down. It stays steady for your entire life.
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Speaker 3: That's what I thought. Yeah, no reason or retest. I just didn't know if you were a MENSA member or not. But yeah, it's an exclusive club you should join now.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to pay the dues. Let's go to Brian. Brian are on with double.
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Speaker 6: M Hey, Mark, Hey, I like that trade.
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Speaker 1: Let's do this.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so.
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Speaker 3: Do I.
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Speaker 1: I mean Gerards have an injury prone but I like the return, including the second round pick.
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Speaker 2: The more of those you have, the better.
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Speaker 3: Right now, who would you go after for the Penguins to make a deeper run.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure they're that concerned about making a deeper run. I think they're looking toward the future. I mean, I'm sure they'd like to accommodate SIDS timetable, but I don't think that's a major concern, nor should it be. But I think they might trade a I don't know, a fifth round pick, a fourth round pick for a right handed defenseman at some point. But we'll see if they even do that. I don't think a big deal is forthcoming. Thank you for the call. Okay caught up mogilney's career records. He only spent three years with the Devils, in two different stops. In his second year, he scored forty three goals in seventy five games. That's pretty good, and then he scored The year before that, he only scored three goals in twelve games, but played in the playoffs and helped them win a Stanley Cup.
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Speaker 2: Real good player. Let's go to Cosmo.
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Speaker 1: Cosmo, you're on with double M. I, Hey, what are your thoughts on Connor Griffin making the team?
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Speaker 3: You think there's any chance he won't and you think he should be sent down?
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Speaker 1: Oh, I think there's a chance. I think there's a chance he won't. I would keep him on the team. I would take that educated risk that he can turn out to be the type of guy that gets them over the.
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Speaker 2: Top to a playoff.
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Speaker 1: Berth not anything ridiculous, but he had two home runes day in spring training. The thing I don't get is a lot of people are campaigning for him to sign long term, Like give him one hundred and thirty million dollar deal right now, and Okay, if it's signed, that that'd be great. I just don't think he will. I don't think anybody with his ability signs long.
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Speaker 2: Term to lose.
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Speaker 1: I think the guys who sign long term with the Pirates are guys who have doubts and rightly so, about their own ability, like a Brian Reynolds, like a Mitch Keller, who want to make sure they can get the money while it's offered. Griffin probably doesn't feel that way, just like Paul Skeen's probably doesn't feel that way. They will not sign long term with this team because they'll think that the same money, and probably better money is very likely out there, along with a much better chance to win. Let's go to a talkback, Tom Offerman, Tommy Radio or Tommy Hockey.
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Speaker 4: For me, it's got to be Tommy Radio, but Tommy Hockey is really starting to grow on me.
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Speaker 1: For me, it's whatever I feel like saying at the moment. Let's go another talkback.
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Speaker 4: Hey, Mark, what was your initial reaction when the US upset the Soviets in nineteen eighty Thanks?
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Speaker 1: I remember where I was. A bunch of friends of mine were playing on a hockey trip in I think in Massachusetts or New Hampshire. New Hampshire was against New Hampton Prep School, trying to get those kids a look, and we found out the result when we were on the bus driving around so That's how I found out. And obviously it was equal parts joy and disbelief. You had to see it to believe, and it wasn't on TV till later, and then when you did see it, you still had trouble believing it. But that was my initial reaction. Only three four one two w xdx. That's eight three three four one two w xdx. It's the Mark Madden Show. What a great show today. Lots of hockey talk with Pierre MacGuire, Matt Barkowski. We talked to Steve Blast about Mill Mazeroski, and we talked barely at all about the Steelers because nothing is going on that means anything. We didn't talk about the combine, it means nothing. We talked about Omar Khan saying something stupid. I may recap that one oh five ninety x
Speaker 1: We got Steve Last at the bottom of the hour to talk about the life.
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Speaker 2: And times of the late great Bill Maserowski.
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Speaker 1: But right now we're gonna keep wrapping up the Olympic Hockey Tournament with Mount Lebanon Zone. You see him on Sports at Pittsburgh. He's former NHL defenseman Matt Bartkowski. Matt, what's your take on our local boys, Trochick and Miller. They did a great job on the p K eighteen out of eighteen on the tournament, and that five on three on Sunday was epic.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was unbelievable. I mean, being able to kill every single penalty, I mean that's something in and of itself, and then that five on three was just the icing on the cake. And then the other situations. I mean they're out there and D zone, you know D zone draws and the games I mean they're playing. They were playing the hard minutes and based on you know, teams they've been on and being more different roles, the scoring roles. Vin Spence maybe a little more playing playing those minutes all the time, but Jt especially just more power play, you know, getting points and stuff, being able to fill into those roles and exceeding them. I mean, it was just awesome.
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Speaker 1: What's that take to kill a five on three? I know you've done it. It's a weird setup because usually teams use two forwards in one d, which isn't what you'd think, but to me, it's always made sense.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it takes a little bit of luck in a really good goalie. I think Hella Bucks obviously the big reason they killed that one off and inevitably won the game. But may it depends on what the other team's doing, which in the case of that game, I really didn't like how it was. Canada was almost in still a one to three one setup or even you know, more of a like a pentagon instead of a box and one, which is pretty pretty standard. And then you see mccarr at the top just creeping in, which makes it easier for the US to to kill off the penalty when normally you kind of want to stretch the five on three out and get one of them out of position, move the puck around, get a shot, you know, and then once one of them gets out of position, which will happen, you need the goalie to make a huge say on a backdoor pass or a scene pass, but you know they didn't. Canada helped them a little bit, but at the end of the day, the US they just stayed so tight. They didn't let any of those cross teams anything through the house, like the low paths through the crease, which is which is always going to kill you on a five on three. And then hellabuck is still on his head. I mean, that was that was incredible.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that Trocheck and Miller needed to be vindicated bart because they're obviously great players, but they were somewhat controversial picks over guys like robertson the cawfield. So from that standpoint, I'm even happier for them because had the US lost, whether rightly or wrongly, fingers might have got pointed.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I think they certainly would have got pointed. And I think you're right that they sort of needed to be vindicated. I just think also the way that the year has gone for them and in New York and that team just taking an absolute nose dive and now selling off out. Yeah yeah, and Sally and David Quinn and and just the whole thing they put in place. It was kind of, at least in my eyes too, and and everybody else's. It was kind of like, why are we taking some of these people? Not those two, but in general some of the people they passed on, like Robertson, Coffield and whoever. I think it certainly does vindicate him, and and it was just kind of the team that Billy was building. He wasn't building the best, you know, highest point getting whatever you want to call it, most skilled team. He was building a team with a purpose. Vincent JT were picked to play the hard minutes, play the diesel minutes, shut down the other team, stop lines in, penally kill, and I mean the results speak for themselves.
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Speaker 1: Now, did anybody on the US surprise you per se anybody perform above and beyond to your mind?
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Speaker 3: Surprise me? Uh? I'd say Jack Echel maybe a little bit surprised me, But then again he's pretty pretty good, So not really. The other one, not necessarily me, but I think opened a lot of eyes to everyone is Matt Boldie and how good he is only only played a few years now. I was able to play with him for a little bit in Iowa when we saw it there. I mean, he was just he's just his his mind for the game, he plays hard, he plays plays bigger than he is, and he's really solid on his skates, so he's tough to handle. His offensive skill is off the charts. He has that scoring touch which we saw on the breakaway in the gold medal game. I think he opened eyes to everybody who hasn't seen him play in Minnesota, just because you know, like out here, we don't get to see them play a lot, and then they're right in the middle, so how West, they don't see him much either, So I think he would be the one that really open eyes. And then the other one is just Hella Bucks finally getting it done right because he's always had that knack and in playoffs he's won vesnins before and then you know, has a bad game or two in playoffs and gets kind of you know, gets them bumped out of the first round. I think for him to be able to play that well for that extended period of time and then especially in the gold medal game, it's really good for him to be able to continue what he does and get it done in a high pressure situation.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about Bartkowski here on the Mark Madden Show. How good are the US brothers? Bart and how much do you like them as players?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean Jack Hughes he's built for the three on three, the skill games. As soon as he went into overtime, I think I was like, well, Jack Hughes is probably gonna score here. He's just high level, high skill, you know. That's that's the way the way he plays. And then Quinn Hughes, he's just I mean, he's a horseback there. He's not built like one, but he logs so many minutes, seems to always make the right play, which is just astonishing. And just his skill and his ability to make players around him better. And that's not just because when he's on the ice, people are have an eye on him and other guys seem to get open. He's just you know, the way he distributes the puck, the way he gets himself into positions to create space for other guys and and and and set them up just perfectly is incredible. His you know, people talk about a d making a good first pass, Well, his first pass usually results in an odd man rush or something, you know. And then he's not the biggest guy, but because his feet are so good and he has such an unbelievable stick he's a good defender, So maybe another guy that kind of opened some eyes at least on the NHL level of you know how good he is, and it just, you know, it kind of trickles down from what Billy's been able to add into uh Minnesota this year in years past with guys like Boulding and guys like Quinn Hughes and and uh, you know, we don't really talk about him all that much. Just like I said, we're out here and we don't see him play, But now that you're seeing those guys play, it'll raise more attention.
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Speaker 1: No, and they're in the wrong time zone that's Central and Mountain time zone. In terms of being a star, that's just death. What what if Sid plays? That's a cliche question. How much of a difference does he make? I even at seventy percent, if that's what he was bart, they could have used him on that five on three. I think he would have kept it more simple and maybe cleared up some of the things you'd just talked about.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's hard not to think that based on how that game went, that Sid wouldn't have found a way to score just the big goals he scored in the pass and his mentality and that's you know, that's not to take away from any of the other Canadian players. They you know, they probably should have won that game, right Sid, Sid? And yeah, but but Sid Sid and guys like him just find a way to get things done in those situations. So it's it's hard not to think that that he wouldn't have scored at some point, especially in the third period once Canada was really landed on. Uh. But you know, at the end of the day, who really knows?
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Speaker 1: No, No, I always say what could have happened? Did in in the US won the game and deservedly? So now I know the answer to this already. But did you like three on three over time in those playoffs? Because old school says no, but they were very exciting.
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Speaker 3: No, I didn't like it at all. It was me, yeah, yeah, great, it's exciting. We get three rushes, we get a we get a two rushes by the US and rush by Canada. Whoever turns over the pucker gets an unlucky bounce first loses a game. So I didn't like it, especially in that game. What's on the line, how the game was going to like we had a great game going. Uh, the entire game was just I mean you're sitting on the edge of your seat and then it just goes into three on stream and you're like, oh, well, well, you know there is some luck involved in it too. I mean, you can get a you can get a puck that hits off a reft foot, goes right down in the middle of somebody gets a breakaway like you know, somebody catches a catches a rut, falls down. You know, it's just stuff like that. There's just too much chance that's involved in it. It's just a different brand of hockey. It's you play it completely different and to see it go from how not not to say that overtime wasn't exciting, but I just think it's there to I don't know, probably because the TV people don't want to sell ads. They want to get the game over with, so they'll like go to three on three and get it over No.
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Speaker 1: I think the biggest part of it here is that they you know, the closing ceremonies are after and they're on TV two, and hockey's only a fraction of the Olympics.
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Speaker 2: So I get it.
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Speaker 1: And like I said, I like the exciting moments, But it begs the question what happened on that overtime goal because Canada fell apart and Pierre maguire was on earlier Barton he put forth a notion that McDavid, mccarr and McKinnon, who were all out there, were exhausted because they just played too many minutes the whole tournament, that Cooper mismanaged his bench.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if they were exhausted or not. I wouldn't have had them out there. Like the first shift they were out there, you saw McDavid go down and try and beat everybody one on three, not get back, and then Bennington had to make that on real save on Quinn Hughes right, Yeah, and then he puts them right back out there. But I would have a player like Celebrini now with McDavid and McKinnon, because you know McDavid and mckinn are each going to try and do it themselves. That Celebrini seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders and be able to, yeah, not give up something like that. But on on the goal specifically, same thing, McDavid goes down, tries to beat everybody. It's just not going to work. I mean maybe in the regular season if you're playing against some of their guys, but at that level, even for him, it's not gonna work. And then mccarr takes a chance UH and Jack Hughes got to stick on it. If mccarr gets that puck cannon, it probably wins the game. But since he doesn't, you know, they go down and the rest is history. Pierre's probably alluding to facts that if if you watch the clip from the from UH, I guess it would be Labu's point of view, you can kind of see how McDavid wasn't able to get back and get back the block the pass. But I don't know if that's them being tired or not. Like to think that those guys are in such good shape. I don't think they're tired of that point of the game. I just didn't like the line combo of having those two out at the same time. In overtime.
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Speaker 1: The US guys seem very tight knit, which is easy to do when you win. But a lot of people are crediting the US developmental program that those guys have known each other since they were kids and they're that much tighter.
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Speaker 2: Do you put any stock in that.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess there's a little bit of stock, but it's not like they all played together for two three years growing up, if at all.
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Speaker 2: Right, because they're all in the same AIDE group.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Canada has their own development program. It's not the USNTDP where they have their own team, but they play World Juniors together and everything like that. I just think that this is the first time olympically in a while, well we haven't had the Olympics in a while, right, but the first time that the US had a legitimate team on paper, right, because if you looked on paper, it's a lot closer than it has been in years pass, right, a.
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Speaker 1: Team you could look at and say, okay, they can win this game and maybe even should.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And they even had that in a while, So I think that naturally brings them together. And then the ramp up from the four Nations too, I mean that, I think that definitely added something because you had in essence, the same exact teams playing again in a final for a gold medal. But yeah, I don't I don't think the US and t DP really other other than them knowing each other and maybe playing together for a year. I don't. I don't really think that adds that much.
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Speaker 1: One thing's for sure, this is a pretty even rivalry now, and you almost are sorry it's not gonna happen for two more years with the World Cup.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, it's it's like we were saying, it's the most even we've seen it a long time. It'll be interesting to see how they carry it forward with if if they're going to play in the next Olympics, if you know, the four Nations one that's gonna happen, the World Cup all that. I hope they get to play more often because, like like we've been saying that, this is about even as it's gonna be. Now. The flip side of it is, if Canada gets a goalie that's like Connor Hellibucker, you know, plays like Connor Hellibuck, then not that Bennington didn't play well, but if they get a stud goalie, then it's gonna flip heavily back towards the Canadian I think Bart.
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Speaker 1: Is always great stuff. Thanks for the input. We'll do it again soon. Thanks a lot, Mark, that's the great. Matt Bart Cooski from Sports at Pittsburgh played in the NHL and he is Mount Lebanon's own. Get your calls in now for calls on the fifteens. We've got a ton to talk about, not least can Jack Hughes be the face of hockey now?
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Speaker 3: Should he be?
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Speaker 1: And we'll hockey afford him that opportunity. The trains move and you got to jump on board. But the NHL's too dumb to do that. And also Peng was made to trade Kulak to Colorado for Girard and a second round pick.
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Speaker 2: Your thoughts A three three four one two w xdx.
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Speaker 4: Every weekday that's slowing from Banksville Road to Green Tree Crosstown Boulevard inbound jams Bigelow Boulevard to the Liberty Bridge, Brandon Joseph, total traffic, gut issues with youth or high school sports, positive.
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Speaker 3: Coaching, say one oh five nine.
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Speaker 1: I don't think we've had enough baseball talk today because I'm not gonna do football talk until there's actual news. Omar Khan babbling incoherently about nothing that matters at the Combine today, the Combine also doesn't matter. That's no good. The powers to getting ready to play hockey season. You got the Olympics and the Penguins returning. That's what's important. If you'd like to chime in dial A three three four one two w XTX. Thanks to Bart for joining us, and we got uh Steve Blast talking about Bill Mazeroski. Uh in just a little bit right now, Let's go to John, John, you're on with Mark.
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Speaker 3: I'm Mark? What up? John?
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Speaker 5: Hey?
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Speaker 6: You think with Yager officially retiring now, he will be interested in taking a coaching position or something behind the scenes with Penguins, No.
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Speaker 1: Anything else, that's all yep. Yeah, what would make you think he'd want to coach? That's just absurd. Thank you for the call, though, And I wasn't aware he officially retired. And if he did say that, well we've heard that before and the next thing you know, he's back playing in the Czech Beer League. I would like to see him get in the Hall of Fame though, before he dies, for that matter, before I die.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Dick.
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Speaker 1: Dick, you're on with double m Uh.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I wanted to give my thoughts on the tree, but before I do, real quick, no one has mentioned that Hella Buck actually got credited with an assist on that game winning goal.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that.
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Speaker 1: That's something isn't it to get an assist and have the game of your life as a goaltender.
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Speaker 2: But I have a suspicion. I don't have any stats to back this up, Dick, but I bet that.
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Speaker 1: Happens quite a bit in three on three because the goalie makes a save and then the play goes the other way as it did there.
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Speaker 3: Right. But regarding the trade, the good is, I've been a big Gerard fan all his career.
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Speaker 2: I've been reading a lot.
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Speaker 1: I've been reading some tweets from guys like Eric Johnson, the former ALVS defenseman who I know and who's in the media now, and and e J pointed out that that Gerard is a real glue guy. Now, whether that applies immediately in Pittsburgh after being so long in Denver, I do not know.
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Speaker 2: But that's a good thing to hear.
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Speaker 3: Well, he's once. The bad is he's definitely injury prone, right, always been out five.
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Speaker 5: Games, ten games, whatever.
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Speaker 3: But one thing you noted that Letang is particular about his deep air. He is Quebec Wah Gerard, so maybe that makes him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think Tangers as concerned about that as he is. He likes a defenseman that can move the puck. He doesn't like playing with the defensive defenseman like you would figure him being so offensive. He likes the guy who can partner up with him in terms of puck movement, and I think Gerard does bring an element of that, even if he's not a big pointsky. Let's go to Chris Chris Ron with double M.
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Speaker 6: Hey, Mark, Hey, I want to get your opinion on Tom Wilson at his presidence there. He's brought in to be a physical presence and Ratka Goodis is just running people. And what do you think of this play?
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Speaker 1: Well, you can't, you can't fight the Olympics. I think Wilson's a waste of space having a lucky year. I think he's a goon, a more skilled goon, a more productive goon than most, But a goon's a goon.
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Speaker 2: And he wasted a roster spot for Canada.
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Speaker 3: Period.
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Speaker 1: Tom Wilson wait hosted a roster spot for Canada.
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Speaker 1: We lost an all time pirate great on Friday when Bill Mazerowski passed away. Joining us now to talk about his former teammate is another all time Bucco great. Always a pleasure to talk to Steve Blass. Steve, thanks for joining me. And it's obvious to open up with Bill Mazerowski was one of a kind, wasn't the quiet, unassuming and a great baseball player.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely Mark and good to be with you again. You know he was. He was a heck of a ballplayer, maybe a better man, A reluctant hero, never tooted his own horn. You know. He always had an attitude. If you're going to get accolades, let him come from somebody else, not yourself. And I cherished the time I had him. He helped me go from being a ballplayer to a major leaguer. I loved watching him change the direction of a baseball unbelievably, and I always enjoyed guys trying to take him out, and then those runners would be carried off because he never gave any ground. I remember Ron Stone from the Ptilies went in hard. His fights went all the way up to Mas's chest and then they brought out a cart to carry him back into the dugout. But he was one. He was just a great person that happened to be a good ballplayer, great ballplayer. You know.
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Speaker 1: It's funny because, as you said, Steve Mas didn't brag about the home run, but in the number of times I interviewed him, he never minded talking about it.
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Speaker 2: If you brought it up, he'd tell you everything you wanted to know.
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Speaker 1: And I recall him saying, why wouldn't you talk about that home run all the time?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely? Yeah, you make a good point. And you know, you consider the thousands of times that people came up and all of what, hey, man, the home run, the home run, I was here? Where was I when I heard it? And all that kind of stuff. He never said no, He never turned down. You know, he always considered answering those requests, and he was very much aware of the impact that home run made on the city of Pittsburgh, the Pittsburgh Pirates, the game of baseball. But yeah, he didn't need a brag about it. But you know, the thing is watching him play second base, and you know, there's no reason the best second basement of all times shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. It shouldn't have taken that long, but he's in there. I sometimes when I go out and talk, I said, you know, I'm one of the few people that know the second half of Mass's Hall of Fame speech, And then he said, what is it? I said, that's right.
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Speaker 1: He broke down real quick and wrapped it up. But that was somehow appropriate because that was just so Bill Mazeroski and Steve. I was a kid when I first saw Mass play, and he was in his prime in the field, well his prime period, because what a clutch Hittery was, which we'll get to in a moment, but seeing him turn a double play was like a magic trick. He got rid of it so quick. When I'm a kid, I like, what's he doing? I couldn't figure it out.
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Speaker 5: Well, the thing is, I was the same way when I went to spring training as an eighteen year old in nineteen sixty one. I watched him, How does that happen? And you know I got to figure it out because I saw him so much. That ball coming from a shortstop or a third basement. It just bounced off that crap golfy glove he had, but it just bounced. He had the throwing hand was right there and the ball just bounced, you know, a couple of inches, but it slapped that leather into the throwing hand and it turned direction. It was incredible, and you know him and him and Groat and then him and Geene Alley. Uh, unbelievable stuff he did. You know, I always go back mark to the fact that he set those records on a piece of crap infield, to be quite honest, Oh.
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Speaker 1: The alabaster plaster Forbes field, it was like impossible.
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Speaker 5: To read, oh, I know. And when we would anytime we went on a road trip, they would put the tarp on it and bake it until we got back. And you know, opposing infielders, several teams would not take infield practice for that reason. It was so rough, and you know, you don't know what the bounce is going to do. Well, the Yankees found out what the bouce could do, and the boughs hid Tony Kubeck in the throat an obvious double playball. But I respect the guys that broke his record in a way because of the numbers that are good players. Would I would present the fact that I don't think they might have broken those records if they had to play on the same surface.
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Speaker 1: Maz held all the DP records, no doubt, and just I agree, Steve the best second baseman I've ever seen, certainly, and part of that was he made fielding into a science, as he proved when he helped make Neil Walker into a second basement after Neil had never played there.
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Speaker 2: He was a big factor.
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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, Yeah, Neil was a catcher originally. And I talked to Neil about that very thing the day before yesterday, went to the game in Florida, and Neil is gushing about the way that Neil that Maz helped him, the way that Maz dealt with him as a person, and yeah, yeah, that's not easy to do at the major league level. Come on, and Maz had plenty of time for that, and he had time for everybody. That's that's the thing. You know. He never liked to talk a lot. He was a reluctant hero. But if you approached him, he had time for you. And you know that's the milia he helped me. You know, I was thinking about that. There's three things that he really helped me with early, early, when I was a young kid. Come just to spring training with those guys. First of all, when I was a rookie in sixty four, he's you know, it was tough love. He said, you know, hey, you're in the big leagues now, no excuses. Nobody cares about why you failed. They want to hear about why you succeeded. And then he said, you know, don't ever forget the name on the front of the uniform is more important in the back. And then it kind of a subtle thing, he said, Steve, if somebody flatters you enough by asking for your autograph, write it so they can read it. You know, mass could have just signed mask forever and it would have been fine. His signature is one of the best on the Bubblegump cars and stuff. So every time he turned around, he helped me go from again from being a ballplayer to a major leaguer. And you know, we actually roomed a couple of years. And here's a story that I think you'll enjoy. September fifth, nineteen sixty nine, I hit my only home run in big leagues. Blom and I were Madsen together on his birthday. That was his birthday Chicago home game. We're back on the street celebrating his birthday. My home run at four o'clock in the afternoon, and we made it count the next day. I had four days coming off. He had to play the next day, and when we got back after the game, he said, every ball went up in the infield. I saw seven balls and I caught him all.
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Speaker 1: We're talking to Steve last about the great Bill Mazerowski here on the Mark Madden Show. I got to ask you about his glove because when I was a kid, I was sitting down close to the first baseline at Forestfield with my mother and Mas was my favorite part. By the way, I have both your autographs from back then to prove what you just said about about signing autographs. And I saw him Ass's glove and how flimsy and little it was, and I said to my mom, because mass was my favorite part, I want a glove like that.
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Speaker 2: And my mom had seen me feel and knew.
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Speaker 1: I needed a lot more help and said it's not such a good idea, but talk about that glove.
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Speaker 5: Steve, Well, you know, the whole background of that glove was there wasn't so much leather that the ball could get stuck in it. It was just it was kind of just a rebound piece of leather for him to have it hit. And that glove bounce into very quickly, automatically into the throwing hand. And that's what made him so quick. There was you know, it looked like crap, but it worked for Bill because there was nothing to it other than just a surface to bounce it back into that throwing hand. And you know, and not only yeah, we talk about the double play, we talk about the tough surface at Forbes Field, but you know, you tests on the fact that he could get hits when they were needed as evidence maybe by that home run. Perhaps not just that home run. No, No, he was he was a solid hitter. He solid Nobody pays attention to that, but you know, he was a complete he was the complete major league baseball player.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 5: And not even talking yet about personality, because he was he was terrifical. He was terrifical of the fans, the media. You know, he didn't like to speak and and do a lot of interview stuff. But he did it because it was part of the deal and got to know him so well. And I just I just value the time that, you know, I came up when there were still some of those sixty guys left and that group of Bob Friend and Vernon Law and mass you know, what an environment to grow up in the big leagues with.
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Speaker 1: Now you've been around Pittsburgh a long time. Is Mas's home run the biggest moment in Pittsburgh sports history? I think it isn't It even predates me, albeit by just a couple of months. Steve, And I think that's the biggest upset ever in baseball.
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Speaker 5: Oh my goodness. Yeah, I mean it was. It was a nonsensical game, ten to nine, not one strikeout in that game, and uh, somebody who was somebody was going to do something spectacular. And you know, we talk about Franco's immacular reception and Stanley Cups. Yep, I respect all of them. But baseball owned sports when back when exactly it.
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Speaker 1: Was the big it was like football is now, maybe bigger without the benefit of social media and the camera being.
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Speaker 5: Everywhere, absolutely, and you know, you know, and then and then Mask and Miley and go up and sit in Shanley Park and just and just talk.
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Speaker 2: About it after Game seven.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, oh my god. And you know, just yeah, he I think it's there's nothing bigger because of timing as I said during that during that age. And you know Mickey Manno didn't hit a home run of the ninth doing it. Roger Marris didn't. Oh, this guy the second Basement from the Pirates did it. And it just think think of Clemeny's legacy and then think of Mass's legacy. I mean, you got maybe tied for first in the overall picture, but the spectacular nature of Mass has to take the cake.
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Speaker 1: Steve, thank you so much for joining me. And I got to tell you I would give anything to be back at Forbes Field one more time.
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Speaker 2: How about you.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely you know that was my field when I came up in the big leagues four fifty seven to center. What a place to fish except for the ball I threw to William McCovey over the four fifty seven son signed that a friend of mine says, every Monday evening at ten o'clock in the eastern sky, you can you'll see that ball going around the earth. Other than that, it was. It was great. It's always good to be with him.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Steve. Great stuff, and I hope I talk to you soon.
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Speaker 5: My pleasure to look forward to it.
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Speaker 1: That's the great Steve Blast talking about Bill Mazerowski and I and I do. I wasn't kidding, I have. I was an autograph kid. I have so many Steve Blast autographs, so many Bill Mazeroski autographs, so many Roberto Clementi autographs. What a gracious group of guys that was back then, and with one exception, but no need to bring that up. But yeah, Bill Mazeroski and I told this story Friday when we got the news that mass passed. The first fan letter I ever wrote as a kid, I was nine. I wrote Bill Mazerowski and he sent me back an autograph postcard, which I still have and I will treasure that till the day I die. Time not ass mark anything eight three three four one two w xdx. That's eight three three four one two wxdx, or you can leave a talk back via the iHeartMedia app.
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Speaker 9: What was that nonsense saying Crosby was trying to keep somebody off of the Canadian roster.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's crazy. There's nothing in his back.
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Speaker 2: This guy off there. It was a stupid thing.
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Speaker 1: Somebody said Crosby lobby to keep Connor Bdard off Team Canada because he didn't go to the World Championships last year.
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Speaker 2: That's just nonsense.
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Speaker 1: Just didn't happen, totally, something Sid would never consider doing. And when I've spoken to Sid, he's always spoken very highly of Connor Bdard as a player and as a kid.
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Speaker 2: So just did not happen. Let's go a talkback.
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Speaker 3: If you could pick any man to do the two man lose with, who would it be?
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Speaker 2: And why Zach Effrin? For obvious reasons? What's good of Tim? Tim Rerell with Double M.
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Speaker 9: BI Mark Tom thought this would be appropriate to tell this Bill Masarowski story during this segment. But a couple of years ago, Chas Palm and Terry brought his one man show to Pittsburgh about a Bronx tale, which the story of his life is in the fifties as a kid in the Bronx.
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Speaker 1: Well, right, because in the movie in the movie, the kid talks about how I don't know if Bill Mazerowski's mentioned by name in the movie, but the kid talks about how Mickey Mantle got his heartbroken in Game seven of the nineteen sixty World Series.
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Speaker 9: Yes, And at the play he utters the line he says, I hate Bill Nazerowski because Bill Mazerowski made Nicky Mantle cry. And when he did that, the entire bay in theater Mark erupted in applause, to the point where it took him by surprise, and he stopped for a second. But you know, he's a proach. We got his equal irbian back and on with the play, which was really good. And and afterwards he came out and this was the best part. He came out to do a chat with the audience. Mark and he looked around. He says, I've done this play hundreds of times. In that linees never got a remark, but I figured you people would do that, and you could tell even Van Mark he still hated Bill Mazeroski for making Mickey Mall cry.
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Speaker 3: It was so good.
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Speaker 2: I'm still glad Bill Mazeroski did it. Thank you for the call.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to a talkback.
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Speaker 10: Hey, super genius Eric in Toledo. Hey, earlier today, you said that New Jersey has never had any real superstars in the NHL, and I was just curious, did you ever consider Alexander m'gilney as one. I'm not sure I do, but there are some who would argue mart hambro Door was the greatest goaltender ever. Would you qualify him as a superstar?
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Speaker 1: First off, I said that New Jersey never had a superstar forwards, Martin Berdor was a superstar. Are arguably the greatest goal in NHL history, has more wins than any goal in NHL history, and has three Stanley Cupp Rings as well. But my point has always been Goalies don't draw money. Goalies don't sell tickets. Goalies don't get somebody to turn on the TV. Nobody ever watches a hockey game, whether in person or on TV, hoping the puck does not go in the nets. Everybody wants to red light the crowd to roar. You don't want to go into your net, but it's still an exciting moment if it does. The all time leading score I think for New Jersey is Patrick Eliosh, who I would not call a superstar forward. Alex mcgilney was a superstar forward, but he did not spend the best years of his career with New Jersey. So I think, didn't Alex just get in the Hall of Fame? If so, it was long overdue. If not, he should be. Let's go to Steve. Steve, you're on with double M.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Mark, what's going on?
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Speaker 2: Yow it up?
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Speaker 3: Hey? I had a question about your IQ. Wouldn't we you tested?
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Speaker 2: And what test did you use?
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Speaker 3: And are you a member of MENSA?
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Speaker 1: I'm not a member of MENSA. I feel no need to congregate with those who claim to be as smart as me. Frankly, I adopt their claims because I've met people who claim to have an higher IQ, but no one who in conversation proved anything near it was tested.
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Speaker 2: It was either third or fourth grade.
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Speaker 1: I forget which test, but it was a standard test as administered to all the kids. And I keep getting told by people, while you should take it again, improve it. First off, I don't need to prove anything to the citizens. Second off, your IQ does not change. It does not go up and down. It stays steady for your entire life.
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Speaker 3: That's what I thought. Yeah, no reason or retest. I just didn't know if you were a MENSA member or not. But yeah, it's an exclusive club you should join now.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to pay the dues. Let's go to Brian. Brian are on with double.
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Speaker 6: M Hey, Mark, Hey, I like that trade.
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Speaker 1: Let's do this.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so.
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Speaker 3: Do I.
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Speaker 1: I mean Gerards have an injury prone but I like the return, including the second round pick.
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Speaker 2: The more of those you have, the better.
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Speaker 3: Right now, who would you go after for the Penguins to make a deeper run.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure they're that concerned about making a deeper run. I think they're looking toward the future. I mean, I'm sure they'd like to accommodate SIDS timetable, but I don't think that's a major concern, nor should it be. But I think they might trade a I don't know, a fifth round pick, a fourth round pick for a right handed defenseman at some point. But we'll see if they even do that. I don't think a big deal is forthcoming. Thank you for the call. Okay caught up mogilney's career records. He only spent three years with the Devils, in two different stops. In his second year, he scored forty three goals in seventy five games. That's pretty good, and then he scored The year before that, he only scored three goals in twelve games, but played in the playoffs and helped them win a Stanley Cup.
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Speaker 2: Real good player. Let's go to Cosmo.
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Speaker 1: Cosmo, you're on with double M. I, Hey, what are your thoughts on Connor Griffin making the team?
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Speaker 3: You think there's any chance he won't and you think he should be sent down?
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Speaker 1: Oh, I think there's a chance. I think there's a chance he won't. I would keep him on the team. I would take that educated risk that he can turn out to be the type of guy that gets them over the.
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Speaker 2: Top to a playoff.
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Speaker 1: Berth not anything ridiculous, but he had two home runes day in spring training. The thing I don't get is a lot of people are campaigning for him to sign long term, Like give him one hundred and thirty million dollar deal right now, and Okay, if it's signed, that that'd be great. I just don't think he will. I don't think anybody with his ability signs long.
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Speaker 2: Term to lose.
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Speaker 1: I think the guys who sign long term with the Pirates are guys who have doubts and rightly so, about their own ability, like a Brian Reynolds, like a Mitch Keller, who want to make sure they can get the money while it's offered. Griffin probably doesn't feel that way, just like Paul Skeen's probably doesn't feel that way. They will not sign long term with this team because they'll think that the same money, and probably better money is very likely out there, along with a much better chance to win. Let's go to a talkback, Tom Offerman, Tommy Radio or Tommy Hockey.
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Speaker 4: For me, it's got to be Tommy Radio, but Tommy Hockey is really starting to grow on me.
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Speaker 1: For me, it's whatever I feel like saying at the moment. Let's go another talkback.
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Speaker 4: Hey, Mark, what was your initial reaction when the US upset the Soviets in nineteen eighty Thanks?
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Speaker 1: I remember where I was. A bunch of friends of mine were playing on a hockey trip in I think in Massachusetts or New Hampshire. New Hampshire was against New Hampton Prep School, trying to get those kids a look, and we found out the result when we were on the bus driving around so That's how I found out. And obviously it was equal parts joy and disbelief. You had to see it to believe, and it wasn't on TV till later, and then when you did see it, you still had trouble believing it. But that was my initial reaction. Only three four one two w xdx. That's eight three three four one two w xdx. It's the Mark Madden Show. What a great show today. Lots of hockey talk with Pierre MacGuire, Matt Barkowski. We talked to Steve Blast about Mill Mazeroski, and we talked barely at all about the Steelers because nothing is going on that means anything. We didn't talk about the combine, it means nothing. We talked about Omar Khan saying something stupid. I may recap that one oh five ninety x
