Katherine Schwarzenegger Pratt on Family, Faith, and the Healing Power of Animals

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There are people who move through life with quiet strength,
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who lead with grace, with purpose, and with love. Katherine
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Schwarzenegger Pratt is one of those people. She's a daughter,
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a wife, a mother of three, a New York Times
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bestselling author, an animal advocate, and the host of the
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BDA Baby podcast. Everything she does encourages others at any
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age to look inward and live with compassion. Catherine's heart
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for service, for animals, and for family is something she
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learned from her mom, my dear friend Maria Shriver, and
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it shines through in every part of her life, especially
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in her writing. From Rock What You've Got to The
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Gift of Forgiveness and now Cat and Brandy, her words
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remind us that courage isn't in the absence of fear,
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but rather the decision to try again. Catherine and I
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sit down to reflect on the lessons from her mother
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that shaped who she is today, how she's found bravery
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and courage through every season of life, and the ways
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motherhood has changed her perspective on the world. I'm Hoda Kotb,
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and this is my podcast, Making Space.
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Making Space.
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Hi. Hi.
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Should we start with the usual? My favorite question to
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begin with is, how are you today in this moment
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as we sit across from one another?
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I mean, I'm so excited to be here with you.
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Always excited to be with you. I'm also like, I
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just landed from LA. This is my first trip with
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my son for just the two of us, my first
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time leaving my daughters. And I'm also here with my mom.
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So it's a party.
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What is it like leaving your daughters for the first
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time like this? What does it feel like?
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I mean, it's something that I feel like I've been
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thinking about for so long, like when that's going to happen.
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And because I had both of my girls during COVID,
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I just never have left them. So I feel like
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it's a good time. It's a good reason to. Obviously,
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I had to bring the baby. But I mean, it's
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fun because I can travel with my mom when she
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distracts me. And my sister's home with them, as is
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my husband. So they're fine.
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Everybody's good.
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They're okay.
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What did you tell them about where mommy's going?
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I was very honest with them. And I told them
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ahead of time. I did all the research on what's
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the correct way to do that. What's the best way
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to leave them feeling secure and also prepared with a plan,
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because I'm very into having.
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A plan ahead of time.
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Shocking.
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I'm the oldest.
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So I talked to them about it. I just told
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them everything. I left Chris with a manual.
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Oh, yeah. What they're wearing.
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You have them, yeah.
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This is how we do it.
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Exactly.
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Every single day is planned out. I have little pieces
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of mail that arrive every single day. I mean, I
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went full-on preparation for them.
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Wait, let's talk about, okay, you're the oldest of four.
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Yeah, I am.
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So how would your siblings describe your role in the family?
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Probably, I would say, in charge and in control of
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everyone and everything. And also probably like a mom's helper
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for everything. Yeah. Mostly also with Christopher because Christopher is
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eight years younger than me. And I did I'd like
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everything with my mom with him.
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How did you like that role? Loved it. You did?
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Oh my gosh. And I love.
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Thank you for asking me about this, first of all,
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because I am one of those people that has loved
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my role as the oldest. And everyone in the past
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couple of years has been sending me these articles and
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this research about, you know, the plight of the oldest
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child and how terrible it is to be the oldest
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daughter and all the burdens and responsibilities. And I read
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all of them and I was like, thank you so
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much for sending them to me.
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And also I.
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I'm aware of all these responsibilities and these roles and
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I love them. Like I just, it's so my personality.
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It fits you. It fits me so perfectly.
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Yeah. I love the responsibility. I love the role. I
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love being in charge.
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I love making sure my siblings are exactly where they're
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supposed to be when they're supposed to be there. Like
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it's just, I have, I don't look at it as
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a burden at all.
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Yeah.
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How does your mom like all of the order and
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having things? With my children, do you mean?
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Well, for example, I was a few minutes late to
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this interview because she decided to go get a bunch
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of croissants for Ford, who is not yet one, and
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come in while I was trying to feed him and
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put him down so I could come to this interview.
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And she came in and started, my boyfriend, look at
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my little boyfriend.
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And she like, they fully flirt with each other.
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And then he gets distracted and I'm like, I'm done.
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I have to leave now. So, you know.
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Sometimes the eldest– and I'm just thinking about my family.
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In our family, the eldest was like the one who
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they tried everything out on. Like they were harder on
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the oldest. Yeah, for sure. And then as it went
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down the line, it was like nobody cared at the end.
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None.
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So you were kind of in that place where you
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got most of that.
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Yes, 100%.
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And you were fine with all that? And Christopher, zero.
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Zero?
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No. Patrick and Christopher were very– I mean– Very lenient
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with the two of them. Still had rules and chores
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and things like that. My dad was really big on chores.
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What were yours? What did you have to do?
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Oh, my gosh.
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I mean, very strict on them. We had to make
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our bed every morning, do our laundry, open our curtains,
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turn off our lights, clean our bedrooms, clean our bathrooms.
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fold our clothes properly, clean up after ourselves. If we
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didn't clean up after ourselves, our belongings went into the fire.
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My dad was very serious.
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Wait, what do you mean into the fire?
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No, like if they were just laying around, they were
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disposed of because he said, obviously you don't care about
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them and you need to have responsibility with your belongings. Yeah.
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So that would be the last time.
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And I was like, I cannot believe that you're doing this.
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And this is just terrible. And I remember I had,
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I was picked up And brought home from a semi-formal
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because I didn't take my clothes out of the dryer
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and fold them. And I was like, this is terrible. Like,
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who does this? And I'm like, I'm going to do
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this exact same thing with my children now. So, you know,
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it all comes full circle. Did you rebel like most kids? No,
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I'm the oldest child. We don't rebel.
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We don't do that.
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You get in line.
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And I feel like I rebelled in different ways.
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You know, like when you're growing up, especially in adolescence,
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you find different ways to have your version of rebellion.
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And mine was with who I would date when I
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was in high school. And, um, but I felt, I
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feel like I had a lot of calm in my
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life and I, an outlet really at the barn, which
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is why I wanted to write the book because I
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feel like it was for me anytime I had a
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sense of wanting to rebel or, you know, which is
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normal for teenagers and when you're growing up. Um, and
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for me, I channeled that and I would go to
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the barn and like, ride my horse and get my
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piece there.
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Let's talk about you and animals because I think that's,
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first of all, it's been a passion of yours since
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you were little forever. What was the initial draw? Like,
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what feeling did you get from being around animals that
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maybe you didn't even get among your friends?
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Definitely just instant calm and peace. I think from a
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very early age, my mom will always talk about that
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I just loved being in the presence of animals from
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the moment I was born. And As I got older,
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I found that in the presence of dogs, in the
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presence of rabbits, in any sort of nature, and definitely
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in the presence of horses. And I always say to people,
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you don't have to be in the presence of a
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horse to have the benefits of feeling calm and peace.
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It's really any animal. And people who have that love
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with animals or have had that experience with animals know
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exactly what I'm talking about when I say animals. being
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in their presence gives you this common piece that most
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of us can't find anywhere else. And for me, I
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think that was definitely what I had with Brandy and
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what I had at the barn and just being in
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the presence of these amazing animals that just gave me
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the ability to take a deep breath and just be.
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Brandy, your horse, was the feeling of calm you talked about,
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like you would sit there and you would get, I
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think you described yourself not like an outcast at school,
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but somehow you felt more comfortable with the horse than
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with friends. What were you like in school and why
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was he so important in your life?
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I mean, I think my mom really allowed that to
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be a nurtured relationship because she felt that with her
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horse growing up. And I know she's talked to you
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about that a lot, but I think she understood that
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the barn was a safe place for me and also
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a place where I could just be myself. And when
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I was growing up, being a horse girl was not
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in fashion like it is now. It was something that
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people made fun of me for. They're like, oh, you
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and your horses. You like being around animals. You're lame
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or you're not interested in going out and partying like
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we all are. So I was with her every single
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day after school.
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I went to the barn. I did my homework in
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the barn.
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I just felt like it was a place that was
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removed from the high school drama and chaos and all
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everything else that was going on around me. You know,
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there were a lot of things going on around me.
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Like my dad was running for governor. I had, you know,
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my siblings. There's high school drama. There's changes at, you know,
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in home dynamics and everything. So I felt like the
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barn was just a place I could step out of
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all of that and just be myself. Mm-hmm.
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When I was reading this book, first of all, there
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are so many beautiful things in the book. The illustrations, everything.
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It's called Cat and Brandy. And a couple of things
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struck me. I mean, one was, first of all, that
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this came from a true place in your life. You'd
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fallen off a horse and that happened. And what I
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love about this, one of the things I loved about
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this book is when the child, you, falls off the
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horse and your mom doesn't sort of say, Well, let's
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get back on. Like, I think my inclination would have
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been like, okay, you can do it. Get back on.
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It sounded like, at least according to the book, that
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she was like, well, when you're ready, you do you.
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You can sit on the side. You don't have to
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rush into it. I kind of like that feeling because
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I think so many parents are shoving their kids back
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in when they're not ready.
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It's like a happy medium.
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Okay.
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So, like, when I would fall off when I was younger,
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my mom put me right back on.
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Oh, just right back. Right back on.
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Because– and, you know, really with my own experience– And
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in this book, it was really when the moment happened
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of falling off, the importance of getting right back on after,
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you know, of course you're checked to make sure you're surviving.
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develop a fear with a horse and allows there to
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be potential moving forward to overcome that fear. Once that
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was established, you know, and I would get back on
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the horse again, I then went from, okay, I'm fine
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being back on the horse. And I had such a
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love and desire to just take care of the horses.
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I just loved going there and brushing them and taking
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care of them. And I see that with my daughters
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now too. It's like this really therapeutic experience for them
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to caretake for the horses and also just animals in general.
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Like we have chickens and I watch them caretake for
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the chickens and You know, when I was little, yeah,
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we do have chickens now, Hoda.
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my mom has so many pictures of my sister and
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I brushing our dogs when we were younger. And I
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think that that's very therapeutic for children. So I definitely
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grew up having this experience of falling off. My mom
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had me get back on. And I was very timid
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to start riding again, like after that moving forward. And
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I just felt comfortable going to the barn with my mom,
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watching her ride and marvel at her ability to do it.
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And also taking my time to get comfortable around the horses. Right.
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And I think that that's what she did really well.
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She was, you know, she wasn't like, you have to compete,
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you have to do this, you know. And she asked
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me all the time, every single time we went to
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the barn, are you sure you don't want to compete?
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Are you sure you don't want to go do that?
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the horses. And that's really what I did with Brandy
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is I took a lot of time. She was very
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not trusting of humans and I wasn't very trusting of horses.
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fears alongside one another and overcome them. And that's really
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why I wrote the book was to show that you
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can be afraid of something. You can work through those
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fears and be brave and overcome them. And also the
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healing power of animals is such a profound one that
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I have been able to experience in so many different
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ways and that other people have as well. And the
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benefits for having that around children are just incredible.
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What did you lose the day Brandy passed away?
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Oh, my God.
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So much.
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I think, you know, for me, Brandy was like my
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best friend. And she was– when I was growing up–
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and I actually heard my mom talk about this when
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she was talking about her– horse that was similar to
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what Brandy was for me. And it's like the first
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love of your life. So for me, um, I think
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Brandy was definitely that for me. And when she passed away,
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I was like, I still look back, I'm 35, about
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to be 36. And it was definitely the most traumatizing
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experience of my life. Um, so it was a huge loss,
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you know, and, uh, how old were you? I think
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I was 17 or 18. I was a senior in
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high school. And it was also an interesting experience because
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it felt that nobody around me understood that except for
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my mom. Like my mom was like. I get this
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for sure. Like I've been there.
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I get it.
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Cause you know, people lose their dogs and their, their
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home pets, um, a little bit later. And so I
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think that no one around me had really experienced it.
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When your daughter fell off the horse, were you, first
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of all, as a parent who likes.
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Control, you must have lost it.
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What did you do?
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You know, it was interesting because I had always thought
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of when that would happen. And I, you know, I
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was riding with both of my daughters and she fell
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off a horse for the first time. And so I,
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of course, leapt off of my horse and ran to her.
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it and be upset about it. And of course, made
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sure she was okay. And then I took her back
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over there and she's like, I don't want to get on.
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I don't want to get on. And I'm sure every
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parenting expert is going to tell me this is not
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a good thing to do. But I sat with her
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and we took our time and I wanted her to
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get back on because I didn't want her to at five.
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To be afraid of it.
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She was four and a half at the time. I
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didn't want her to have that fear that just lasted
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with her forever. So we took our time and, you know,
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sat with the pony. We sat on the ground with
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the pony and we slowly worked her way back up
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on the horse again.
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She got back on?
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She was thrilled to call my mother right after and
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tell her the entire story of how she fell off,
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the whole thing.
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I got back on.
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It was like a proud moment for her.
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It's funny because this book does talk about fear like
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all kids have and grownups. What keeps you up at
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night these days?
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I mean, my children.
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Anyone who has a baby right now knows exactly what
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I'm talking about. I'm up several times at night with
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one of my kids. I feel like lately they are
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at a phase where they definitely want to be around
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me and my husband and at all hours of the night.
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So they like to come in. But really- What keeps
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you up at night like? What kind of fears keep
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you up at night? I mean, I think probably just
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things like, did I handle this properly today with my kids?
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It's always around my kids. I think it's always like,
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you know, when I made my daughter sit at the
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dinner table, did I handle that properly? Did I handle
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that communication properly? I think, you know, social media has
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so many amazing blessings and also challenges that come with
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being fed parenting videos all the time about what you're
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doing that is going to damage your child forever, or
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that if you do this, it's going to end up
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in this negative form of attachment, like all of these things.
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And so I feel like that kind of stresses me.
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Out at night.
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How do you comb through? Because I feel the same way.
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I mean, I'll look at a video one night and
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realize how poorly I handled, or at least I feel
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like I handled something with my child. And sometimes you're like,
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should they cry it out? Should I be nurturing? Are
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they too clingy? They're not independent. What am I doing?
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What parenting things did you take from your mom and
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which things did you leave behind and say, I'm not
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going to do that the way my mom did?
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I really think that majority of everything from my childhood,
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I tried to do it with my children. I know
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a lot of people look back on their childhood and say, like,
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I want to do everything differently than the way I
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loved my childhood. I looked back at it and I
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think that it was such a magical place my parents
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created for us to grow up in an environment. There
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are certain things that I think they just didn't have
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the language to talk about, whether it's big feelings or...
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I know my mom always talks about the fact that
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I have a schedule for my kids as being very
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foreign to her. So I think that I'm doing differently.
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I think talking about feelings and emotions very openly wasn't
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something that they had the tools to do back then
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that I'm really trying to do now with my kids
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and is also... a very different experience even for my
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husband to be able to shift that because that's not
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how he grew up at all. And my mom was
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ahead of the game with how she talked very openly
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with us kids about our feelings and also really talked
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openly with us about repair. And so if she did
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something that maybe she didn't like the way she handled something,
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she would come and repair that with us and have
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a conversation with us, which was very ahead of the
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game for her. And so that's something that like Chris
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and I are always learning how much of that to do,
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how little of that to do, you know, how do
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you find that balance, especially as partners, and also just
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with kids wanting to raise kids that are in touch
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with their emotions, but also understand the world around them
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and moving forward and working through them.
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And how do you teach things, and I've thought about
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this too, like grit? Like someone was, you know, we
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were talking about how this generation of kids, and probably
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the last couple too, have more attention, more resources to
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get better. Some are on more meds. But yet they're
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not moving forward because the grit piece isn't there. But
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how do you teach that? Like, what's your philosophy on that?
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I mean, I think that it's a combination. I know
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there's like a huge wave of parenting that's going one
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direction of like too much coddling. It feels a little
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bit like it's coming back to a happy medium now.
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I would say just, you know, My kids are so
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young still, but I mean, you know, we have chores.
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If they don't do their chores, we have, you know, conversations.
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What do they do?
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They're age appropriate chores for me.
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Right now. But like for, you know, for Lila, she
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has to clear her plate. She has to put her
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things in the dishwasher. She has to pick up after herself. She,
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you know, skipped a step and likes making her bed,
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which thrills my father. So I mean, They feel so
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proud of themselves after they do things like that. And
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I think we have conversations with them about how to
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get along with one another. Like my middle child, Eloise,
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is very different than her older sister, but still feels
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really proud when she can line up all her stuffies
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in a row. And she's now starting to want to
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clear her plate and copy it because she sees that
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Lila's doing it. So It's really sweet to see their dynamic.
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And also, I think, you know, as they get older,
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we fully want to be able to instill that need
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of awareness around, like, if this doesn't happen, then this
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doesn't happen. Having consequences that are age appropriate for them
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and things like that.
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I think it's cool how you were saying that you
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and Chris are like, he was raised one way, you
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were raised another way. And yet you found this place
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because I think a lot of people think, well, look
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how I turned out. I'm great.
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Right.
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And I was raised that way. I mean, everybody says that.
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And yet, at the end of the day, we can
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do better. But we think what we had was best.
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How did you find that kind of in-between place that,
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you know, brought him?
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I mean, honestly, doing our premarital counseling before we got
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married was so helpful. And we still do couples therapy today.
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Wow, that's great.
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And that's been really helpful for us to be able
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to have those conversations about parenting, about, you know— work,
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about finances, about our relationship, communication. And it's really taught
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us a way of communicating and understanding one another that
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I don't think we would have been able to do
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had we not had this place of doing, having that
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form of communication.
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Isn't that so interesting?
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Yeah.
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I mean, speaking about things like finances, parenting, like things
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that you think are almost, we'll figure that out.
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It's no big deal.
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We don't have to address it.
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Yeah. When we were engaged, we had to do premarital
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counseling as part of getting married in the.
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When we did it, I was like, oh my gosh,
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this is so silly.
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We're needing to do this, but also great because we
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got engaged after six months of dating.
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So I was like, this could be good.
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But we did it and we did these eight courses
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and they were two and a half or three hours
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each course. And we covered everything. Like every single thing
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that you thought, I don't need to talk about this.
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Like drugs, we talked about addiction. We talked about finances.
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We talked about fidelity and how we want to raise
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our kids, what religion we want to raise our kids.
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I mean, everything.
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What was the toughest nut there to.
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I mean, honestly, there was so much of it that
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I felt like I knew what his answer would be,
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but also led to really eye-opening conversations. Parenting being a
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big part of it. Because when I met Chris, he
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had a son already, which was such an amazing blessing
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to be able to witness his interaction with him and
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being a father. And then being able to talk about
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his experience but also what I had as like a
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vision for myself because I didn't have children yet so
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I wanted to be able to have those conversations and
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where I might differ in my opinion and I think
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it really you know it also is shown in subjects
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like that are talked about in this book like overcoming
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your fears how do you want to handle that how
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do we handle those conversations as parents with our children
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or bravery or courage or even having animals around your
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children like what's your right like do you want the
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responsibility are you somebody who doesn't want that there's all
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those conversations we talked about it.
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One of the things that you guys have that's probably
531
00:25:09.950 --> 00:25:12.849
paramount in your relationship is your faith. And I feel
532
00:25:12.869 --> 00:25:15.200
like that was one of the grounding things. How does
533
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.240
faith play out for you on like a random day
534
00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:21.589
like today? Like how is it incorporated in your daily life?
535
00:25:22.059 --> 00:25:24.759
Well, I think in our daily lives, you know, we
536
00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:27.660
pray at meals, which is something I did growing up
537
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and something that, you know, Chris was a really big
538
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fan of doing as well. And he does on his
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own too. So we have that as part of our
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00:25:34.809 --> 00:25:38.170
daily routine. Every morning I wake up and I pray
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00:25:38.230 --> 00:25:40.569
right away. Like I thank God for allowing me to
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wake up. I thank God for all my blessings and
543
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And same thing right before I go to sleep. So
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it's definitely a big part of our life and my
545
00:25:48.730 --> 00:25:51.039
life and our kids' lives and has been a big
546
00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:54.880
part of my life my whole life. Obviously both my parents,
547
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:58.579
my mom very much so, my grandma. So it's been
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present in my life and a huge value of mine
549
00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:02.859
that we definitely connected on that way.
550
00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:05.160
You said when you sit around the table, you said
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you pray before. And one thing Maria always talks about
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are her dinners.
553
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Yes.
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And one day it was so funny. We were at
555
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the Today Show and there was a song by like
556
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Idina Menzel called At This Table. And I heard it
557
00:26:17.180 --> 00:26:20.240
and I got chills. I'm getting chills now. And I
558
00:26:20.289 --> 00:26:22.170
played it for your mom and she kind of ran
559
00:26:22.190 --> 00:26:24.329
away from me. I was like, what is up with me?
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I scared her.
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She's like, and I went up to the makeup room
562
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and she was crying.
563
00:26:28.650 --> 00:26:29.019
Oh, I'm sure.
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Because I said, this is you. I sent it to her.
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I go, I think this is you.
566
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I think I was, yeah. She showed it to me
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right after you sent it to her.
568
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Yeah.
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00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:38.740
But that whole, I mean, I can imagine what the
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meals must be like and the conversations.
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Lively.
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How did that play out for you as a kid?
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And is it something you replicate or is that left
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to your childhood?
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No.
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I mean, we go to my mom's every Sunday for dinner.
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So it's definitely a huge part of my routine and
578
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something that I Look forward to, and now my kids
579
00:26:54.829 --> 00:26:55.400
look forward to.
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Who comes to the table? Like, what is that?
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00:26:56.900 --> 00:26:58.339
I mean, it's random. Let me tell you.
582
00:26:58.380 --> 00:27:02.039
There are the staples every week, which is our family.
583
00:27:02.420 --> 00:27:05.089
And then you never really know who you're going to...
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00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:08.789
Like my– Chris always says this. He's like, is tonight
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one of those nights that I go and I wear
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sweatpants or do I need to dress up because who's
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00:27:12.710 --> 00:27:13.289
coming to dinner?
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I'm like, you never know. Like you– Don't know. It
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could be a world leader.
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Yeah.
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It could be a politician. It could be an actor,
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a singer. It could be our neighbor.
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It could– I mean, it literally– it could be our
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00:27:22.890 --> 00:27:24.289
longtime friend or a family member.
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Like it is always– And what are the– where does
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it go?
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Like what happens?
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I mean, it's always something new and it always usually
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00:27:31.539 --> 00:27:35.640
leaves somebody in some sort of like emotional– experience of
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00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:39.940
like a revelation of something about their lives or, you know, it's.
601
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:43.059
Always very lively, very.
602
00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:47.079
At sometimes chaotic, but the conversations are, and people want
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00:27:47.140 --> 00:27:49.640
to come to the dinners. Everybody's like, when can I
604
00:27:49.660 --> 00:27:52.759
come to Sunday dinner? Because they're so, I mean, the
605
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:55.720
conversations that come from them are just incredible. And also
606
00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:58.579
the relationships and the connections. Like my mom, as you know,
607
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:04.319
is a connector. Like she loves setting people up literally.
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00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.880
And also she loves being able to like connect friends,
609
00:28:08.029 --> 00:28:12.509
connect people who might work well together, start relationships, friendships,
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00:28:12.549 --> 00:28:14.049
and also just introduce people.
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To one another. So it was really how I grew up.
612
00:28:17.809 --> 00:28:20.319
And I feel like she also invites people over who
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00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:26.259
have different viewpoints, different belief systems, because that's how I
614
00:28:26.299 --> 00:28:30.180
grew up. I mean, my parents had different political backgrounds.
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And so I grew up with people having different opinions
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and being respectful of that and just talking about it.
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And she really exposes people to that same experience now.
618
00:28:39.970 --> 00:28:42.450
One of the things that was really jarring, I'm going
619
00:28:42.470 --> 00:28:44.190
to bring your mom up one more time, was when
620
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she wrote her book.
621
00:28:45.490 --> 00:28:45.690
Yeah.
622
00:28:46.569 --> 00:28:47.869
And I read those pages.
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00:28:47.890 --> 00:28:49.170
I know. Sobbed, right?
624
00:28:49.410 --> 00:28:49.829
Sobbed.
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I know, me too.
626
00:28:50.529 --> 00:28:53.829
I just was like, because I guess I just didn't
627
00:28:53.950 --> 00:28:57.509
imagine someone who is, you know, where she is.
628
00:28:57.529 --> 00:28:57.650
Mm-hmm.
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00:28:58.190 --> 00:29:01.369
Who was on her knees like that continuously, it sounds like,
630
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through parts of her life. What was it like for
631
00:29:04.019 --> 00:29:06.500
you as her daughter seeing and reading all that?
632
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:08.460
I mean, I was sobbing. When she first gave it
633
00:29:08.500 --> 00:29:10.480
to me, she, of course, didn't even give me any
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00:29:11.299 --> 00:29:13.960
lead in. She's like, so I was thinking of, you know,
635
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:16.569
I collected all of my poetry, and I knew she
636
00:29:16.589 --> 00:29:20.069
was really interested in poetry, of course. But she handed
637
00:29:20.109 --> 00:29:23.250
it to me, and I was like, okay, I'll read this.
638
00:29:23.309 --> 00:29:25.210
And I think I was pregnant at the time, and
639
00:29:25.309 --> 00:29:26.890
I was like, you know, I'll read this.
640
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:28.819
I'll read this. What is it?
641
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:30.740
And she was like, it's kind of just a collection.
642
00:29:30.740 --> 00:29:33.210
I'm playing with the idea of just collecting all of
643
00:29:33.210 --> 00:29:35.210
my poems. And I was like, okay, you know that's
644
00:29:35.450 --> 00:29:39.140
that's great and I remember I had it at my
645
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:41.519
house and I picked it up one evening and I
646
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:43.440
read it and I remember I started reading it and
647
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:44.619
I call my mom and I was like.
648
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:45.779
What is this I.
649
00:29:47.369 --> 00:29:50.170
Was like whoa I was like you need to give
650
00:29:50.190 --> 00:29:53.049
people a warning before you throw this on them because
651
00:29:53.089 --> 00:29:56.289
yeah I mean it is deep and also intense and
652
00:29:56.789 --> 00:30:00.019
I you know I admire my mom with like every
653
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:05.160
single role and every journey she's gone through. But the
654
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:09.339
poetry was just like next level. And it was, I
655
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:12.799
was hysterical. And of course, so proud that she had
656
00:30:12.819 --> 00:30:14.819
the ability to put all that down and to create
657
00:30:14.859 --> 00:30:17.869
all of that. But also it was, you know, as
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00:30:17.900 --> 00:30:25.509
her daughter, very eye-opening, admirable, heartbreaking, of course, at times,
659
00:30:25.950 --> 00:30:28.509
and very raw. It was like the rawest thing I'd
660
00:30:28.529 --> 00:30:28.890
ever seen.
661
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.339
A couple of things in her poetry book really moved me.
662
00:30:34.420 --> 00:30:37.230
One was sitting in front of her mother's door, which
663
00:30:37.470 --> 00:30:41.990
was devastating. And the other was about your dad, her
664
00:30:42.029 --> 00:30:44.549
husband during all of that time and then the public
665
00:30:44.589 --> 00:30:46.609
square and how she described everyone kind of has their
666
00:30:46.650 --> 00:30:50.339
own public square. I thought that was fascinating. super brave
667
00:30:50.380 --> 00:30:53.599
and I hadn't heard her discuss that before. Yeah, me either.
668
00:30:53.660 --> 00:30:56.289
That must have been a, oh God, what's happening here, mom?
669
00:30:56.500 --> 00:30:59.160
I was like, whoo.
670
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:01.940
Yeah, but I mean, I think for my mom, I always,
671
00:31:02.740 --> 00:31:06.329
my mom always had talked to me and my siblings
672
00:31:06.390 --> 00:31:09.349
growing up about trusting your gut with things. And when
673
00:31:09.410 --> 00:31:11.250
I was, when she first said that to me when
674
00:31:11.289 --> 00:31:13.670
I was younger, I was like, what does that mean?
675
00:31:13.910 --> 00:31:17.930
I can't trust my gut. And she She always does that.
676
00:31:17.990 --> 00:31:20.569
And she leads by example in that way. And I
677
00:31:20.849 --> 00:31:24.319
think with her book or whatever she does with her
678
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:27.759
amazing work that she puts out there, she always trusts
679
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:30.059
her gut with what she thinks is going to help
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00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.579
someone or help her heal or move forward.
681
00:31:33.619 --> 00:31:35.759
And I think that's what she did clearly with the book.
682
00:31:35.980 --> 00:31:38.789
Having conversations with little kids, which is what, I mean,
683
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:41.869
I've had to have many conversations with my girls about
684
00:31:42.089 --> 00:31:45.190
lots of things. One of them is adoption, which is
685
00:31:46.569 --> 00:31:48.630
an unusual topic because.
686
00:31:48.390 --> 00:31:49.009
Mommy, mommy.
687
00:31:49.049 --> 00:31:51.589
And I always said, you're born in my heart, honey.
688
00:31:51.609 --> 00:31:53.069
You weren't born in my tummy. You were born in
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00:31:53.109 --> 00:31:55.910
my heart. And that went on for a few years.
690
00:31:56.609 --> 00:31:59.029
And then I was walking behind Haley and she was
691
00:31:59.069 --> 00:32:01.289
walking with another little girl and they pointed out someone
692
00:32:01.309 --> 00:32:03.210
was pregnant. And she was like, oh, I came from
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00:32:03.230 --> 00:32:05.130
my mommy's tummy. And Haley goes, I didn't. I came
694
00:32:05.150 --> 00:32:06.549
from my mom's heart. And the kid was looking at
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00:32:06.589 --> 00:32:08.910
her like, what? And I go, Haley, so I got it.
696
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:10.440
I'm going to amend what we said.
697
00:32:10.460 --> 00:32:12.680
Let's just take it back a notch.
698
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:14.740
That was true.
699
00:32:14.779 --> 00:32:18.660
However, I said, actually, Haley, everybody's born from somebody's tummy.
700
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:20.819
And I said, and since I couldn't hold you in
701
00:32:20.859 --> 00:32:23.920
my tummy, God did something really cool. He sent this
702
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:29.210
really great angel mommy person to carry you. And her
703
00:32:29.250 --> 00:32:32.509
job was to carry you and bring you to me.
704
00:32:33.190 --> 00:32:35.170
She said, is she out there?
705
00:32:36.089 --> 00:32:37.819
I said, yeah. Somewhere.
706
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:39.579
We don't know where, but she's somewhere.
707
00:32:40.099 --> 00:32:41.000
Okay.
708
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.660
And so she understood that she came from someone.
709
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:44.880
Yeah.
710
00:32:44.940 --> 00:32:45.920
Introducing little Violet.
711
00:32:45.940 --> 00:32:47.900
I mean, these questions that they ask, you're just like,
712
00:32:48.099 --> 00:32:49.279
where's the manual?
713
00:32:49.549 --> 00:32:49.829
Yeah.
714
00:32:50.140 --> 00:32:53.170
Have you had to have any kind of tricky conversations
715
00:32:53.250 --> 00:32:55.750
with your kids or things that you had to explain?
716
00:32:55.769 --> 00:33:00.730
I haven't had a ton of them yet. However, my
717
00:33:00.750 --> 00:33:06.930
girls are very curious. So they ask questions... all day
718
00:33:06.990 --> 00:33:11.039
long about everything from the person walking by them, what
719
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:15.240
color hair they have, to someone's outfit, to a dynamic
720
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:20.670
between two people. They watch my parents together and they
721
00:33:20.710 --> 00:33:23.170
just like stare at them, ask a bunch of questions,
722
00:33:23.309 --> 00:33:26.650
keep staring at them, take it all in, ask some more.
723
00:33:26.809 --> 00:33:29.920
You know, they're just like, So I'm waiting for questions.
724
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:32.480
You wait for them to ask. You don't volunteer anything.
725
00:33:32.500 --> 00:33:33.460
Yeah. No, I don't.
726
00:33:33.619 --> 00:33:37.539
I really take my cues from what they see as
727
00:33:37.579 --> 00:33:39.640
being a question or something that they want to know
728
00:33:39.660 --> 00:33:42.910
more about and also having conversations with them that are
729
00:33:43.029 --> 00:33:46.069
age appropriate. I try to prep ahead of time with
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00:33:46.109 --> 00:33:48.829
things that I think might come up, but I really
731
00:33:48.890 --> 00:33:52.849
do take their lead with certain things. And then I
732
00:33:53.769 --> 00:33:57.799
read somewhere when kids ask questions that you ask the
733
00:33:57.819 --> 00:34:00.700
question back to them to kind of see where they're
734
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:02.119
at maturity-wise.
735
00:34:02.140 --> 00:34:03.500
Oh, that's interesting.
736
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:07.500
So like recently my horse Cinco passed away and I
737
00:34:07.539 --> 00:34:09.820
spent the past two years, of course, writing this book,
738
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.820
getting it to where it is and talking about my
739
00:34:12.860 --> 00:34:15.610
horse Brandy and talking about my love for her and
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my love for animals. And I got Cinco around the
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same time, a little bit after I got Brandy. And
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so he's been in my life for 24 years. And
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so he's been a huge presence and a huge figure
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in my life of, you know, not only being able
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to witness so much of my life, which is such
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a gift, but also, you know, he's where I went
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to have peace and have calm so much of my life.
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And whether it was in high school, in the first
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breakup I ever had, or my parents getting separated or
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moving or going to college, I always went to the
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barn to be with Cinco. And so that was a
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huge loss for me. And my kids had all been
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around Cinco and had a lot of experience around him,
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and they knew that he was older. But when I
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took them to the barn after he passed away, they,
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of course, were wondering where Cinco was. And so I
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had a very open, honest conversation with them that— I
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had actually asked my mom beforehand, like, how do I
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navigate that? And I talked to them about it. And
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they said, where is Cinco? Where did he go? And
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I said, Cinco went to heaven. And they said, what
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do you mean he went to heaven? And I said,
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God decided it was time for Cinco to go to heaven.
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And I looked at my daughter, Lila, was like, he
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went to heaven?
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And I was like, he went? Because you never know
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their reaction.
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She's like, he went to heaven? And I was like, yes,
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he did. And then Eloise was like, is he in
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his stall in heaven? What's he doing in heaven? And
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I was like, I don't know. What do you think
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he's doing in heaven? So it led to this full, long,
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really interesting conversation about what they thought he was doing,
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who they thought that he was with. You know, was
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he running free again? Was he eating carrot? Like they
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used their imagination to really— create a world where Cinco
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passing away was like this beautiful amazing and exciting world
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in their mind where he could just be young and
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run around and eat whatever he wanted and do whatever
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he wanted and it was really exciting for them and
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they still had times where they were like when am
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I going to see Cinco again so understanding that that
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wouldn't be something that they're going to you know they're
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not going to be able to see him again but
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that was an interesting conversation that I didn't anticipate having
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or having it go that way but also looking at
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you know, life and death in such different ways and
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looking at it through the eyes of a child and
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seeing how they interpret that and they understand that.
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And so it was just, you know, one of those conversations.
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Yeah.
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That's so beautiful. And also hard for you because you're
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going through something and to watch your kids.
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To pull it together.
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Yeah, you're like, I can do this. I can do this.
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You obviously take care of your mental health and all
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that stuff. So what do you do? Just tell me
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some things that you do on a daily basis that
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helps you. Because I think a lot of people who
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listen to this podcast are looking for ways that they
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can make space for themselves, feel good. What do you do?
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TM, Transcendental Meditation.
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So good.
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Big for me.
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I do it every morning and then I try to
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sprinkle another one throughout the day, but sometimes it doesn't
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always happen. But that practice for me which has been
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for a year and a half, has been really incredible
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for me and allowed me to have a practice that
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I can find my inner calm and center myself. And
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I always watched my mom do it, and I was like,
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I don't understand what she's doing. Okay, she's sitting outside
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by herself doing something. But I really have been able
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to experience the benefits of having that be a practice
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in my life.
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And it's.
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Changed the way that I am as a mother, as
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a wife, as a friend, and as a sister and
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a daughter. And so it's just changed me in so
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many different ways that I would say to anybody who's
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questioning it, it's an amazing thing to have in your life.
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I think you also have to be at a place
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in your life where you're willing to receive it and
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implement it into your life. Because my mom did try
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to have it be a part of my life when
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her and my dad separated.
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And I was like, what is this? I'm not doing this.
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This is not for me.
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So I think you have to be in a place
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where you're ready for it.
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I would say I do therapy.
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I have therapy every single week that has been really
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incredible for me. I love being able to have that
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as a place that I can communicate, ask questions, ask
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parenting questions, life questions, and step parenting questions as well.
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Cause that, you know, I like to be able to
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gather information and prepare. And I would say spending time
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with my kids, but also having something that I can
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do that's just with my husband and I is also
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really helpful. Very challenging to.
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Do and to find that time.
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And I think just being gentle with myself. My mom
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always says that to me. She's always like, be gentle
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with yourself. Give yourself grace. You're doing great. And so
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I try to also have that be a part of
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my life every day when I'm, you know, if I'm
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critical of myself or wish I was doing something differently
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or just having that in my mind to be gentle
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with myself is really important. And also moving my body.
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That's a big one for me. Yes.
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What do you do there?
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I take my kids on walks all the time. You know,
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I go to the barn, we horseback ride. I love
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being out in nature. I take a lot of walks.
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I used to hike a lot. So anything that will
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really get me moving my body.
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And lastly, if you had a day that's all yours
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from the moment you opened your eyes to the moment
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you fell asleep and you could feel it any way
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you wanted, you had no obligations, nothing you had to do,
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but you could do what you wanted. When would you
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wake up? How would the day unfold? And how would
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it wrap up?
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Bright and early. I'd wake up, I've always been an
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early riser my whole life. And I would wake up
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early for sure. And I honestly would probably spend the
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entire day at the barn because I would spend it
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by myself and I would also spend it with my
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kids and my family and my friends. I've been able
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to have so many amazing moments in my life at
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the barn and in the presence of animals. And yeah,
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It's truly like my ideal day. And I remember being
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pregnant with my daughter Eloise and I was at the
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barn and Chris was walking around with Lila and I
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was laying on the grass outside of my horse's stall
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and I was just like in absolute heaven and bliss.
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And he was like, I've never seen you be so
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at peace as you were like laying there in the
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presence of being in nature with horses and just being.
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So for me, if I had an ideal day, I
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would spend the entire day there and it's where Chris
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and I had our first date. It's where I had
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my bachelorette weekend. It's where I, you know, did wedding
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prep there. I've taken my kids there. I've been pregnant there.
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So I think for me, being able to go back
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there with, like, my loved ones is my ideal day.
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Beautiful.
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Yeah.
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All right, you got to pick up this book. It's
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called Cat and Brandy by Katherine Schwarzenegger Pratt. Katherine, thank
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you so much.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Hey, guys, thank you so much for listening and for
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