Dr. Umar Gets Suspicious About Michael Jackson’s Death, Warns Drake & Questions Jay-Z - Full Ep

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Speaker 1: Fight put the club. Oh my goodness, Lord. Yes, he basically told us I'm going through the same thing as Mike. Yes, the part he not giving me is what they mad at him for. I'm sure this thing's going off in the background. That right, he gotta struggle. He ain't sharing with nobody, and I think that's dangerous because Michael Jackson did the same thing. Michael Jackson should have told the world Sony Records is trying to kill me. He should have just sell him blank, put him on. Oh shit, he just told me he gotta be careful and be careful of who you have around you. Be careful. Dead artists make more money. Is he in a position to have to check his water and checks? Yes, that popular cannot keep their beef with the white power structure to themselves. It's against it works against you. But if he ever to the point where he's threatened for his safety, call out who the person? Call out the perpetrator. That's your position on Mike. Do you think he was guilty of any misconduct? I believe Michael Jackson was still trapped in the child's body. That's how I can un understand what he did. By having the children around him. A lot of people are like that. It don't make you a pedophile. The condition of being a prophet. Not all the time, but often you are taking out assassination. Yeah, Mike was a prophet. I have no doubt about it. They never want Michael Jackson to appear to have been bigger than Elvis or Frank Sinatra. You know, I just want to know where he is about black people? Are you just using blackness to sell records? And then you wipe off stage? Like I just want to know who he is speaking about, Mike. Did you see the Netflix Dog? Not chet, but I'm going to watch it. Did you see it? I've seen some of them. What I'm doing is about two episodes. What you take what they're doing is they're highlighting a lot of the sexual misconduct, a lot of the stuff. What do you think the overall agenda? If you say they did this for what, what would you say? What's the agenda? What's the narrat I would say they're showing that they won't they want people to see that that side of Mike the ugly. Do they want people to believe he was guilty?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 1: With this with this doc I believe that they want people to see him guilty of child pornography, and in the very least I'm going to watch that documentary. If I come to the same conclusion that you drew, and I don't think the evidence is sufficient, we won't have to cancel Netflix. We will have to cancel Netflix. A lot of our people are already canceling Netflix, and I'm not against them. I just haven't joined it in yet. But if they did, because remember I told Kevin Hart in Netflix, I'll get one more chance if they did Mike Dirty in that Netflix documentary Doctor Uma much joining Netflix boycott, I'm not. I'm not accepting that. I'm not accepting that after that, Kevin Hart Rose, I'm not. What's your position on Mike Do you think he was guilty of beny misconduct? I believe Michael Jackson was still trapped in the child's body. A father's birthday wish to his son, totally up to you.
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Speaker 3: Could do anything you want to think.
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Speaker 1: And I love you. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson celebrating the birthday of his son Prince. He was two years old then and living in the Neverland mansion where these home videos, exclusively obtained by twenty twenty were recorded.
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Speaker 1: Counting your blessing.
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Speaker 2: By It's a rare glimpse of Jackson as father aside not often seen in public.
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Speaker 1: Michael was an incredible father. Help He actually was one of the best fathers I've ever seen. He would spend time with his children, He would talk to his children, he would spend time teaching his children.
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Speaker 2: Like this touching scene, teaching his little children how to dance the wiggle.
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Speaker 4: I never saw a man so close to his children that Michael. They were the world to them. He doted over them. He had taught him to read early, and he was constantly with him. They never left his side body.
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Speaker 1: I have thank you for giving me ice cream and the best buddy the world, and I love it.
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Speaker 4: The sad thing is part of doing this tour was he was going to surprise the kids because they've never seen him perform.
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Speaker 1: You never brought them to rehearsal, tip off.
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Speaker 3: The show for them.
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Speaker 1: And he was a good father, great father. Tell me where your wishes are for your birthday?
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Speaker 3: What would you love to see happy.
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Speaker 1: In your life? What do you want?
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Speaker 3: I'd do it you do?
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Speaker 1: What do I do? If ant seek you? As you hear me, speak up before we have a psychological age, and we have a biological age. Right. Biologically you might be forty, Psychologically you can still be four. We are normally still stuck loom at the stage of development where we were with our needs. Stop getting that. This is why you might have a girlfriend, he said, Doc, why she's so damn clingy. I even let him move in with me. We're about to get married, and she still won't give me no room to breathe because her parents were not available to her. Psychologically, she's still four years old, loon. Psychologically, she still needs that constant validation of mom and dad. Michael Jackson never had a childhood, so he still wants children as friends because he's still trying to fulfill that need for same age validation. Right. That's how I can understand what he did by having the children around him. A lot of people are like that, it don't make you a pedophile. And the two books that he had that they claimed they found two pedophile books. Those are regular books of child photography that you could have bought back then in a regular bookstore. Those were not pornographic texts. They wasn't And when I watched the Netflix documentary, I'm going to look to see if they misrepresent those texts. Yes, and then I pulled them up. I pulled them up. Those are regular photography books of boys growing through their development. They had one of the little boys that was able to explain, like a computer or something. They were like, Yo, there's some stuff on this computer. Me and Mike will watch together on this certain computer. And they went and found that computer. So sometimes when those things happen, it's like, so, why wasn't all this brought out in trial? Some of it was in trial, it was said on the stand. Some of the b wrong footage that they use it is in try. A lot of what's in that documentary from what I hear saying, stuff is hearsay. If they could have lynched my Iko Jackson at a time Sony Records wanted to be done with him. If he was really guilty, he would have been proven it. You're not gonna come to me. Mike died in what eighth nine, You're not gonna come to me if you go eight to eighteen to twenty eight, We almost twenty years after that man death. I'm not believing nothing you said when you had a chance in court to prudence, but I'm just want to watch it. Yeah, I'm going to be feared. But I do know they exaggerated those two texts. Now, I got to see whatever else is in it, this stuff, it's some stuff in there. Do you think that a quittal in court settles a case all the time? For a black person, It does because you already presume guilty. You got to prove your innocence. You already sold. So you don't think nobody it could be exceptions to the rule, right, of course, I do think OJ was innocent. I don't believe o J. Simpson killed it. I don't. But I also know OJ got off because they couldn't afford for Los Angeles to burn again after the Rodney King riots. You think that if, without question, without question, they were not gonna let they were still rebuilding during the o J case, he wasn't long after. Yes, I forgot about oh J benefited from the Rodney King riots, bron No white folks said.
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Speaker 5: Listen, I forgot all about it, talking billions of dollars loan.
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Speaker 1: This is one of the wealthiest districts in the country. Oh J got off because of Rodney King. Bro I forgot about it. Yes, I forgot about that. Rodney Kings and Latasha Harlan's. Yeah, when we talk about Mike Dole, are we Michael Jackson was a project, was a prophet. He was a prophet. It was a prophet. He was comfortable saying that he was a prophet. He was at what points? At what points you to that? First of all, the talent, he wasn't trained. It was god getting the greatest entertainer in history, the greatest musician in history, loved by every race, loved all over the world. The only billion album selling artists ever. Even the movie has a billion not single right ever, You've never seen it before, You've never seen it again, even in the world of streaming. You don't even get it. You follow what I'm saying, Drake, Chris Brown, they can't do what he did right now, you take that with the philanthropic heart of Mike, right, You're supposed to be selfish and stingy. This man is given every dollar from entire world concerts to deal with different humanitarian crises, still maintained his black pride. And I hate to say it. Another condition of being a prophet. Not all the time, but often you are taking out assassination Mike was a prophet, I have no doubt about it. I wish he could have lived long enough to do his autobiography. Could you imagine reading Mike's story? Yeah, that'd be crazy, and I'm sure that's something he regrets from up top. I know he regrets he would have. I think he would have sold more autobiographies than thriller albums. Think about that because even people who may have not liked his music or were not necessarily of music. I want to know what he's interesting in this do. I want to know what he thought about Dana Ross. I want to know what he thought about siblings. And when I saw the movie Great Job with the brother what's his name? Anthony Fuqua? With the movie directed at the Michael movie Great Job, I was mildly disappointed. Loved the movie. I want everybody to go see it, but personally, as a Michael Jackson maniac as I was, I would have loved to see more about what we didn't already know. Like the movie was great because we got the reliving, but I wanted to know which brother was he closest with? Yes, which brothers was most jealous of him? How was he with his sisters? You know what I mean, what did the mom really think about her son? Like I wanted to learn something and I didn't learn nothing. I still enjoyed it because I got the reliving It was nothing like it. But I was disappointed because I thought the movie was going to teach you some things about the internal dynamics of the Jackson family. Like I would love to see another jack the first Jackson movie, you know, the one that I'm talking about, the head that was great man? Yeah, that was Jackson. I would love man, but it stopped at a certain age. I would love for him to pick up where it stopped and take us until Michael Jackson's death. How did he feel when LaToya came out publicly and said all the allegations were true. How did he feel about that? And did him or LaToya ever rectify that relationship? And how did he feel about Janet Jackson? You know, she was talented in her own right, but she don't become who she was if Mike wasn't a brother, How did he feel about her not really giving her giving him the credit she should have gave him. She wanted it more, She wanted more than she had. Yeah, he was anomaly, like it wasn't not gonna happen like that again, like you're witnessing greatness. It's like Mike watching Michael Jordan when he's playing ball. You watching like happiness. I would say this, I'm African, but when you go to East India, the so called Hindu civilization, our ancestors were the first to East India. That's why the original East Indians, they're just as black as you and I the Africans. That's why the East Indians are as brown as we are biologically. They Africans politically, psychologically, they no longer are. It's like the Puerto Ricans are differentiating themselves, right. The East Indians have differentiated themselves into another race now within the Vedic spiritual tradition of East India. And I'm speaking on this because our ancient cometic ancestors gave them that civilization. The East Indian spiritual tradition, the Kmetic spiritual tradition, they're almost the same because one fed the other. Here's the point that I'm getting at Loan. In the astrology of Vedic culture, all late August people are of the same astrology sign. It ain't Leo or Virgo, it's combined and it has another name, right, So in their tradition, Marcus Gorvey, doctor Umar, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jackson, we're all in the same sign. And according to the Vedic, those late August people tend to be profits and they tend to have a special connection to the divine. And that's why when I I think Marcus Garvey was a prophet, you follow me late August again Garvey, Leo, Michael Jackson, virgo. But late August. I'm just bringing in some wisdom from another culture to help justify why I think he was, in fact the prophet, just like I think Garvey was. What Garvey did you'll never see again. What Michael Jackson did, you'll never see it. I believe. That's what I think. I like the movie. That's what I think he did a bad job with is just really judging the impact. I think they got that wrong, because yo, bro, this it would show up. It was way bigger, way bigger. Like they didn't do it any justice with that movie. Like the movie though who the movie was funded by three Caucasions if I'm not mistaken, and you got to remember something on white supremacy over everything, right, that's how they live Their culture is based on white supremacy over everything, which means what They never want Michael Jackson to appear to have been bigger than Elvis or Frank Sinatra. You and I know he was bigger than Elvis, A F Fri Sinatra together, Yes, but if you didn't live it, they can manipulate the history. Even if you want to go to Michael Jordan and Lebron James. You and I live Michael Jordan. We know Lebron James don't compare to that man. Now, I think Michael Jordan is a supreme don't get me wrong, He's right, But if I'm talking pure basketball talent, Michael Lebron James don't compare to that man at all. You follow me, you don't even compare to Kobe Bryant. Right, But if you didn't live it, this is the power of historians, Loan, What is the job of the historian to come in and create a new narrative, Yes, for people who were not there. When Loon is an ancestor, people go to create a narrative on you. It might completely be false. When I'm going one of the reasons I have to write my autobiography, we might have talked about this before. It's because there's nobody I know living who can tell my story even fifty percent accurately. You follow me. I went away to high school, so nobody can give you You know, I had a couple buddies. I was cool in high school, but I wasn't close with nobody. Right, I'm not close with none of my siblings.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: I went from so I've been basically out of my mother's home since thirteen. You see that. Then I go off to Millersville. I had a couple buddies in Millersville, but nobody tied enough to know about They can to give you that, Pam, give that part. Nobody can give you it all. I had my couple of girlfriends, but they don't really know my story. You follow what I'm saying, like, I don't even know anybody who can even testify to how serious I am about what I stand for. You follow what I'm saying. I don't even know some Go talk to him. He'll tell you exactly how real I am. I know some people could tell you he was like that in fourth grade? Why those are people who tall? He was like that in ninth grade? Yeah, I those are people, say He was like that in college. Like, I don't know if it's real or not, but that's always if I us but to really know me to say it, I don't know. So if I do not write my autobiography, my story will be completely told, just like Golfy, just like Michael Jackson, by people who didn't even know.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: I think sometimes with the prophet thing. I was struggling with this the other day, thinking sometimes, like you said, you're called to give your life, doctor Umar Johnson, if you were called to give your life to push black people forward, are you comfortable saying you'll do that without a doubt? Yes, Because to be chosen it is a blessing and a curse. The blessing is not on earth. The blessing is in heaven. The curse is on earth. Right, Michael Jackson was chosen. There was no blessing for that on earth. You follow me. His blessing came. He wasn't that billion albums he sold? That ain't mean shit to that man. You feel me the blessing, Marcus Golfy, thirteen million people organized. You've never seen a leader do that. You ain't seen nations do that. No cell phone, no internet, no airplane, right, But all he went through was hell down here. The blessing is up there. This was the curse. Chosen ones have to understand that you may never reap the benefit of what you did for others. You may never experience your blessing on earth. Your earth may be all trial, tribulation and tragedy. Tragedy, you follow what I'm saying. Like for me, if you say, what's a good moment for doctor Umar to sit at the beach or sit in the woods with a ginger ale or water and just sit, bro, to me, that's happiness alone. Outside of that, it's punishment, bro. Like even with the queens, because they always pulling on you for time and and I'm like, I need time to myself, Heaven, dude. And you so selfish that the little bit of time I got for myself you want me to spend it all on you. And that's another reason why I'm doing this Pan African fast.
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Speaker 4: Bro.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because I gotta get right with the Lord to make sure when this nine year cycle ends the new year, I'm ready whatever is next. I'm ready. Yeah. Like even with FDMG right now, Loom, we've been done since Frederick Dollar's birthday. We've really been done even before that, but I mean the final clean out sweep out. February fourteenth, Frederick Dollar's birthday school still ain't open because they don't give us a final building inspection. Why because the lead inspector don't like my guts. They inspected for my district don't like my guts. He even been in the school. He been in the school and saw it was ready soon. Where's the black lawyers at for this? So theod can't you get league who involved with this kind of sea just gave me an idea. I think I've got to get legal counsel at this point, right, I think I got to get legal. But you give me an idea. I need to see if I can find me a black lawyer in Wilmington who will fight for me. Yeah, you need that. I'm gonna look that up. Yeah, man, And you know what, you think We're gonna have to go to court because his director is backing him. The deputy director is backing him. U he's been in a job longer than them, so they might defer to him because he's their elder right And it's a shame that three black people are keeping out school from being open right now. That's crazy. You know, I had I had a situation. What the reason I was asking you about what you give your life is because I was let me say this one time before you do that. Loo, I'm sorry on the part about giving your life when you are called to give your life, and we know tomorrow is the anniversary of Mega Evers giving his life June twelfth, nineteen sixty three, for the struggle, right, what God does that? I love? When you're chosen to give your life, you never know it. You follow me. Jesus knew he was a sacrifice, but he didn't know how. You follow me? Govy knew, King knew, Mega knew, Malcolm knew. They didn't know how. Now here's whoy I want to take your ego can't accept how exactly God saying that, But here's who I want to take you. Because this was profound. Me and my friend was having this conversation and he's an elder and he's he's he's Islamic, like he does the whole NIFO I thing. He was like, bro, to be honest with you, because he come to me like to pick my brain, like to be honest with you. I think Phara khm was supposed to give his life and I was like, tell me more. He was like, bro, it was right in that time where that's how you put. They were pushing stuff forward with the sacrificing of their lives, and when he got in position, they felt like and these are people from inside, they felt like, yo, he didn't go as he didn't go far as we thought he should have went. That would have really pushed it because his life was on the line. And they spoke to the Kadafi money and stuff.
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Speaker 6: Oliberal leader Colonel Cadafaiels offered to provide weapons for a black army in the United States to create a separate state. In a Life satellite broadcast to a Black Muslim convention in Chicago, he said white a man refused to accept Blacks as US citizens. It must therefore be destroyed. This report from Brian Baron.
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Speaker 7: It was the Black Muslims annual Savior's Day, and Lewis Farakhan, their leader, who advocates a separate black nation within the United States, got an offer of help from Colonel Gaddaffi, the Libyan strong man, spoke to them on a television satellite.
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Speaker 8: We who are oppressed, love those who fight against oppression and the oppressors.
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Speaker 1: Brothers and sisters.
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Speaker 8: It is with great honor and privilege that I present to you the leader of the Al Fata Revolution from Libya, our brother, muama El Kadafi.
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Speaker 7: Gaddafi spoke for about forty minutes to the audience of four thousand. He charged that white people are trying to destroy blacks, and he called on black people here to take up arms and form their own nation, to exter busy for support and submort of my country to your struggle for freedom emancivation. Gaddafi even offered to provide weapons for a separate black army of four hundred thizand soldiers. In the United States.
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Speaker 1: They looked at me as though I was crazy.
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Speaker 5: But at the million Man March, Muammar Kadafi called everywhere trying to reach me. And I had never heard him speak English before, but that day.
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Speaker 8: He spoke English and he said, Minister, I.
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Speaker 5: See, I will give you a billion dollars.
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Speaker 3: But the government is listening.
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Speaker 1: Now I know the phone was listened to me.
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Speaker 3: In the end, the US federal government blocks Gaddafi's one billion dollar gift promised to nation Obi Slam's Louis Farak Khan.
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Speaker 1: We kind of bag down on stuff, and I'm like, I don't know. I felt like Farak kh done it right right. He got the farm, he got the army, got certain things. I'm saying as a Black man that symbolism is powerful. But what do you say to that, Like, what do you say to that time frame in black history and Black America and what was going on on? Say this not speaking specifically about the minister. After they murdered Medgar Tomorrow so many years ago, after they murdered Malcolm two years later, after they murdered King three years later, they still were not done. There was still five left, the final five. A D. King Martin Luther King's younger brother. They murdered him in a swimming pool. How do we know it was murdered loon? He was not only an expert swimmer that paramedics support him out the pool of his home said there was no fluid in his lungs. He was killed and put in the pool. A D King Our Prentice Bunchie Carter, leader of the largest black gang in Los Angeles. He was murdered at UCLA. He had a shootout or should I said, he wasn't shooting. But they had a conflict between Milana Kringa's people, the founder of Kwanza, he had the United Slaves organization, and one day at UCLA there was an argument, a fight, something popped off. Bunchie Carter and John Huggins were murdered that day in UCLA. In fact, when I spoke in Ucla last year, they had a plaque up for them. They had to get rid of Bunchie Carter because he was King of the gangs. Ad King King's brother Geronimo Pratt, who was the panther who taught them how to insulate their buildings from bomb attacks. They got him locked up. Johnny Cochran got him out in minute years later, accused of unalliving a white woman. He wasn't even in town, but they feared Geronimo's military intelligence. And then you know who. The other two was, Fred Hampton and George Jackson. When they got Fred Hampton in sixty nine, the same day jay Z was born. He was born on the day Fred Hampton's execution December fourth, sixty nine. And then they got George Jackson on my birthday. But I was born some years later August or twenty first, nineteen seventy one. It wasn't just Medgar, Malcolm and Martin. It was a d King, Bunchie Carter, Geronimo Pratt, Fred Hampton, and George. You on that list number one, you have that prophetic anointing on you. And when you have the anointing on you, the people see it, but the enemy sees it. And how do people react to you. A white man could walk in here, he don't know if I got the anointing on me or not. That person could though, you follow, but once they see the crowd interaction, that's how white people judge it. They say, we got to watch him. He got the anointing, right. But here's the thing. You might have the anointing, but do you have the courage to walk it? Yeah? And that's what they were saying about Farakhan from inside. They were saying that because they were saying, like, yo, man, because these people were telling me, yo, God tells me to give my life. He a Muslim guy. If God tell me to give my life, it'll push us forward. I got to go give my life. And he was like, bro, I know it's a hard. He tried to rationalize it like and deal with it. They tried to be like, man, it'll be a hard thing to do. I'm like, how do you even get that signal? And like you said, I don't think you get that signal right, your prophet. And you may know that it's on the menules of prophets too, though you follow what I'm saying, just like in the Bible of the Koran, to use an Abrahamic metaphor, Jesus was here, Muhammed was here, Moses was here, and then you had your leffort lesser prophet. So even if you are anointed to do what are you anointed to give your life that's the highest right, that's complete sacrifice. You a lamb for the Lord? Right? Or you just anointed to lead the people exactly right? Or are you just anointed to walk? And how do you get those signals? You know? It's like, how do you know? Internal?
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Speaker 6: You know?
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Speaker 1: Man? Like I knew sense a kid, that either I was supposed to be the one or the one to walk with the one. And I still don't know. Now you follow me, I don't know if I'm him or am I am I Moses? Or am I Aaron? The little cousin. You see what I'm saying, But I'm humble enough to recognize what am I about to present themselves by. Now, do you think this far in your journey God would have had it? Well, that's a good argument. Would he have already shown you the other person? You don't know? And the reason you don't know, Loon is we don't know how long we have to live.
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Speaker 9: Right.
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Speaker 1: Some people would say you old. Some people would say I'm old. Right, but guess what if you're If you're meant to live as long as the minister, you're still young. If I'm meant to live as long as the minister, I'm still young. When somebody say somebody is young and old, that is all subjective because that twelve year old who you just said was young. What if you walk outside, God forbid and get hit by a card he was old at twelve. You can only call somebody young or old when you know how long they're going to be here. That's why you can't this like how you said when you're going back to law school. You can't let nobody put no no ceilings on your life because you don't know your exit date. You follow what I'm saying, you may just be getting started, right, how does but imagine if Minister fire Cond wanted to go to law school in his forties and fifties and sixties, he'll look back at himself and say, I wasted an opportunity here. I'm still here almost a hundred. Yeah, and I thought I was old when oh yeah, law that sixty. Sure you got the life until it's over for sure. That God said that we know our birth we never knew our death date. Just for that reason. That's a fucking if we knew our death date. Do you know how many dreams never get fulfilled? Think about that loom. If everybody knew the day that they were going to die, would you even be motivated to do anything? Well, after all, I'm out of here in ten more. Do you think that when a black person died in that era, in the modern era, in the Malcolm era, did that push black people forward? If you saw if you were around when they were executed, just living at that time, you would have to attest to the fact. And of course I wasn't alive at the time, but in reading and studying and talking to those who were, there was a fear that went over black leadership that they have never been able to shake it off. You follow what I'm saying. Oh yeah, there is a fear that was put into Imagine this. Yes, if you old enough to understand, meaning you at least nine years old. If you are at least nine years old in nineteen six, Loom, look at this. You nine when they kill mega Els, You eleven when they kill Malcolm, You fourteen when they kill King. You think it's over. It ain't. The next year Bunchie Carter a d King Geronimo in jail, little Bobby Hutton murdered from the Panthers. First logical man. Look at this, Loom, look at this. You go from nine to about twenty nine, all you witness is executions of black leaders and organizers. Anybody stand up, get their head popped out. You know what, Loon, I'm gonna say this, and it's gonna sound controversial. I don't know if it's absolutely true, but it gotta be considered. If you lived during the period of the Great Assassinations, That's what I'm gonna call it, from sixty three to seventy one, right, if you live during that decade them eight year period from that Gay Evs to George Jackson right, and guess what, looon, we could take it back. Let's go nineteen fifty five, Emmit Till, Let's go, Emmitt Till, Let's go. George Steiny forty four, youngest executed. So you lived from George anywhere, from George Steiny to George Jackson, from George Steiny to George Jackson. Loan, could it be argued you should never seek to be the leader of black people because you have been too conditioned with fear to be audacious and unapologetic enough to lead us. Yeah. I think now that I look back at our leaders loom who were adults during the sixties, I'm almost willing to say, with few exceptions, none of them should have been leaders because the fear that those assassinations put in them compromised their ability to lead us. See. I know about the assassination's loom, but I wasn't there exactly. So doctor Umar is still uncompromising. I know it, but I didn't live it. Yeah, so my spirit is free, right, I didn't feel that three So in hindsight, it's almost Frederick Douglass. What did he say? Is better to raise strong children than repair broken men? We cannot allow black men broken by white supremacy to lead us. And that's what's going on, and that's what's going on, and I hate that for us. I'm also watching Floyd and I wanted to ask you. Floyd has been one of the more hind earning athletes that we've seen, and about his head has been definitely braggadocious, and I'm noxious with his money, but I thank God, Yeah, but I think I think he's also I wanted to ask you at this point, with him filing lawsuit and saying that a lot of his money has been stolen, what does that say about black people with money and this kind of status. First, let me say this two things, and then to answer your question number one, Just like I said, I didn't appreciate people clowning Jay Z for simply being him on stage in Philly the other day, I don't appreciate people clowning Floyd Mayweather to find out that he had gotten robbed of all those millions and might now be in a place where he's financially compromised. I don't like when we laugh at our own who have fallen from grace. You follow me, I don't like it. Yes, Floyd could have been a little obnoxious, as you said, definitely braggadocious. But do I have to laugh at him to know he ain't there no more? You feel me? Whatever you thought of jay Z, do I got to laugh at him now that he coming off a little different now because of age or whatever you feel me. I don't like the fact that we love to mock one another. I want to say that from the gate number two, I'm a little bit proud of Floyd. If it was his decision, and it maybe the media elitd it, But if it was Floyd's decision to tell his own people that I've been scammed and robbed and I'm no longer wealthy, I can respect that because to be as arrogant as he was, to admit I made some mistakes, and to admit that even the great Floyd Mayweather was taken advantage of by Zionists accounts, I can respect that. Yeah. Now what does it say to black people? You cannot trust white people period? See, because he could have worked with fifty, but him and fifty had this public Yeah, because no accountant, I mean fifty understood business at a very high level. Yeah. But if I have Floyd Mayweather money and fifty wealthy, but few of our celebrities have Floyd Mayweather money. I don't know if I depend on you for that, Yeah, because you follow me and I did not say that's naive. I think he should have went to some black people, for sure. Yeah. And I don't understand how he have a team around him, a family who love him, because you could tell the Mayweathers is tight. Nobody thought to say, halfway through your career, let's go to a black accounting firnt. Let's call up Tyler Perry. Tyler Perry, we heard you fired your accounts and got some new ones. Were they black? Maybe or maybe not. But if Tyler Perry found accountant he can trust. And you know why Tyler Perry fired his accountants, right, He overpaid taxes. His accounts had over millions, ten to twenty million. Tyler Perry said, we done. He got somebody else. I don't know why Floyd and them never took the time to go and get a second opinion from blacks or even another white. But I would have went black. And I tell you why they probably didn't because white people do an excellent job of psychologically disorming black people. I'm telling you brother. White women do an excellent job of psychologically disarming black men in romance. White cops do it when they want you to tell on yourself, White judges do it. White people have mastered black people's need to be approved. They trusted white folks, and Floyd wasn't the most black and conscious guy. I think you're down playing fifty a little bit. Though fifty does very high level business. I'm not saying he don't, so what I'm saying, But what I'm saying is, and I'm not pocket watching nobody, from what I understand fit, no rapper except jay Z and Drake has had the money Floyd Mayweather has had at his peak. Yes, that's all. But that's what I say is naive because I think, and that's what this is what I tell some of the people living even in this industry. I mean I had to tell them. All I'm saying is there's people more expert than fifty that could have helped. That makes what I say he had that relation. But you gotta also remember how embarrassing It is, not necessarily embarrassing, but how what position he's in because he's bragging, boasted his whole career. It puts him in a r I know he has his witsying when he does this, because this is the last thing he wants to do is to say, come, I'm vascination of Yeah, this the last thing he wants to do. What I'm saying is the relationship with fifty cent, had that been salvaged and not disassociated with just because of whatever the situation was. I think that he could have kind of steered him in the right direction, because he knows that. But even if you're saying, I'm just even the only answer exactly you follow, doctor Umer. Having built the school can give a Loom a lot of insight on building a school in Nashville. I'm still not an engineer. You follow what I'm saying, I'm still not a realtor. All I'm saying is, yes, fifty could have probably helped him, and it's probably a relationship that should have been salvage. But there's people whose expertise would have been protecting your money. That's what I'm saying. And I'm saying that we white people have a way of psychologically disarming black people that I don't think has any parallel in world history. You can't show me a people Loom who've ever been distreated, enslaved, marginalized, exploited, destroyed by another people, and that people who destroyed them are still able to come amongst them the way white people come amongst us and psychologically disarm us to our detriment and their benefit. I've never seen this before. Yeah, nah, I think it's even down to the woman at the courthouse for Carmelo Anthony who I spoke of earlier, who said I believe he can get a fair trial with an all white jury and a white You see that. Look at the faith we still have in white people even now you hear black people talking about I don't think we should boycott all Asian businesses, jem right? What kind of a is that effective? You look at that. I don't think we should boycott all Asian businesses because not all Asians was involved in Rick Childs's murder, and not all Asians was involved in Letitia Harlan's murder. But can I say something long? How many Asians marched for Carmelo Anthony, right? How many Asians marched for Cyrus Belton? Not one? They all on the same team. The only people who got different groups amongst the group is us when it comes to somebody hurting the race. It's all Asians, it's all Arabs, it's all Jewics, it's all Anglo Sacks, it's all Latino. Were the only people who will give the benefit the enemy, the benefit of the doubt, even after the fourth centuries of showing you who they are. My goodness, you know, last time you came in, you announced the Freedmen movement. Yes, that you represent the sentence of African freemen in America. Da Phi. FBA did not take kindly to that kiss. They responded in droves, who kiss? What do you say?
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Speaker 8: What?
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Speaker 1: FBA can stand toe to toe with the Prince? Nobody? Ain't us nobody to read? Don't want to do it? I mean, for what, ain't nobody messing with doctor Umar intellectual on a planet earth? Bro few people? And I wouldn't even feed that because they're not even on my level, lie right, I wouldn't feed that. Yeah, they have no movement. There's nothing being done in the name of those organizations. And when you ask them what is the plan to empower black people, they just say, we're not an organization. We are lineage. In other words, we don't want no responsibility to improve nothing with black people. We just want to pick on black immigrants. Yeah, and you know what, we were having a real conversation and we were kind of speaking to the division and stuff, and it didn't seem that they never spoke to that, but they did speak to you running with this freedman thing, and you still calling yourself American and this and that. That's what they said to freemen. Are they call themselves Americans?
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Speaker 8: Oh?
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Speaker 1: That's what you said, that's what they are? Foundational black a marriage or what? The freedmen explained that to the freedman was the status of the formerly enslaved Africans right after emancipation the thirteenth Amendment. There is no fourteenth Amendment chet So you not a citizen yet calling yourself a free is not calling yourself an American because you were not American yet to the fifteenth Amendment, you as a freeman the minute slavery ended. You see that loan, You got to make that distinction. We were freedmen before we were citizens, so we would be freeman whether we were citizens or not. That was simply the status of the previously enslaved African. Yes, what does that so that attaches you to Africa. So don't attach you. I sais attached if you choose to be attached to Africa, which I am as a Pan Africanist. Calling yourself a black freedman is only saying what the state of your condition was in this country post slavery, nothing else. That doesn't mean you qualify for reparations as a freedman. Of course you can, because reparations have nothing to do with citizenship. In fact, the argument can be made Loan that reparations are for people who are not citizens. Rarely in human history have groups gotten reparations as citizens from a country they proudly claimed to be members of. Are you feeling me? Are you feeling me? Jews got reparations they were a population amongst another people. Black people proudly claim to be Americans. Is that part of the trick. It's part of the trick. It's going to make it very difficult for you to get reparation where you proudly claim to be an American. Here's the question I would ask if I'm a Caucasian, if I'm a Caucasian loom, if I'm a part of Neanderthal Nation. You know what I'm going to ask Black folks or the reparations and hearings. What are you an American? Yes? Are you proud to be an American? Yes? If you are proud to be an American, at some point your enslavement became a benefit. And if at some point your enslavement in this country became a benefit, why should we have to pay you for what we did to you? Because after the end, you're proud today. That's why I tell you yesterday, I tell you today, I tell you tomorrow. I am Afrikan. That's why I say American where I am American. African numerator describes the denominator. You know, they attacked the pan Every movement too. When you did that, they said that they can't touch us. Though, yeah, they saying that it's useless. It doesn't mean any because they love white people. Their only agenda is to get closer with white folks. They want some reports. Why don't they say they buy a house in a white neighborhood, get them a white wife. Because if you notice, none of those organizations say anything about money hopping, nothing, nothing, because they're not pro black organizations. And I hate the word pro black, but for lack of a better term, these are not organizations who were created to advance the liberty, justice, freedom and independence of black people. It's just something to do to keep me popular in social media before I completely die off because I'm no longer popping the way I used to pop. On your top five Black speakers that you would say are in your atmosphere Jermaine shoemak Umar Johnson, Ogonta Day, Intercontinental e FI Tune Day in the Notorious RBG. Michael Eric Dyson. He not race first. I respect him, He's intelligent. We could definitely have a great debate, but he's not race first. He's an integrationist and a pastor. My white brothers, my white sisters confusing our children as to who their enemies are. Don't get me wrong. I respect all white people. I have white fans, right, but when it comes to political economics, I know they're all racists. I know that they have a vested interest in making sure that people stay in control of mind. We can be diplomatic, we can be cordial, we can't be friend. Do you think that that so?
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 1: Mark lemont Hill. I respect Mark la Minhill integrationists. I think he's an integrationist. Has he become a nationalist. Maybe I don't know. You gott to ask him. I don't misrepresent him, but as of now, I still have doctor Mark la Minhill in an integrationist box love and respect. And how does that affect black people? Well, if you're an integrationist, well they're not leaders per se or activists per se. But to answer your question, the reason it affects black people is you're leading us into the very people who trying to destroy us. Integrate with white folks is only going to leave you with another Carmelo Anthony guilty version if they were not living out there. Are we even having this conversation. We're our fault on the parents. We're saying Black America need to take a long look in the mirror and decide what we want to do the rest of the century. Loan, because white people have made it clear we didn't like you two hundred years ago, we didn't like you one hundred years ago, and we don't like you now. And if you thought Barack Obama changed anything about the way we see you nigroes, we're glad to tell you he hasn't. The problem with over white racism. The reason I love white people telling us how they really feel. Loom. Black leaders could no longer hide behind the narrative that America is better now than it was then, see that that's over. Can't no congressman, mayor governor congressional black. Can't nobody come to you in Tennessee, Loom. After they just redistrict Tennessee.
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Speaker 10: It destroyed all the predominantly black voting blocks in the.
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Speaker 1: State of Tennessee. No Nigro can come before Black Tennessee and say, well, it's still better than it was then. How the hell is that where they just took us back to what it was black people versus everybody. So the integration and stuff is no integrationism and no multi culturalism. Not only do white people now want you, you have no allies in brown, red, or yellow. Stop looking for them. You ain't got none. And that's why when we really start to organizing mobilize, if you not black first, you can't do nothing with me. Doctor Cardinal Cornell Wes I love him, brilliant, intelligent, but he got to know a sand bunny saying, Bunny, I couldn't vote for him when he ran for president because you married out the race. So you think that that takes away from his ability to compete with umar on your level because he married or he's with a black people who's gonna ride with him against me, with him having a saying, Queen, I don't see it. What if his point against point though? Can he make points that? Yes? Can he make Can he make points that experience? We can consult him on strategy? Yes, he's brilliant. Cortnell West is brilliant. He If you say you gotta choose one of them as the top scholar outside of yourself, it is Cortnell West, Cornell West, hands down is Cortnell West, and then Mark La Monteheill, Michael Eric Dyson. I'll put them side by side, Boyce Watkins, Okay, let's get let's talk about Boyce Watkin is not on my Let's talk about that, Mark La Moonheill, Michael Eric dis I'll put them equal. Well, let me take this back. I don't want to put myself over over other scholars, right, Okay, So I'm gonna put myself over here because I'm the only Pan Africanist, revolutionary pan Africanists amongst them, right, but me outside? Okay, it's Cornell, and then I'll put Michael Eric Donson and Mark la Monhill after Cornell West. I think Cornell West is the sharpest mind we have amongst the integration real. Yeah, he can he speak as well. Like what he's not the He's not the charismatic oratory. That's me and none of them touched me in that category. Right, Yeah, he's not the charismatic orator. But in terms of sitting down having a conversation, breaking some stuff down, break it down, he would give me the hardest fight. Cornell West would give me, would give me Cornell. Let's do this. Doctor Mark is brilliant, Micha. Greg Donson is brilliant. I respect him. Yeah, but if you say, doctor more, who wont give you your toughest intellectual debate out of those three? Cornell West? Yes, I respect him, I definitely respect him. It's a shame he didn't marry Queen. Yeah, contradiction, crisis of the Nigro scholar, crisis of the Nigro scot Does that take? What does what does that do? Though? It means his picture don't hang up on the walls of the Frederick Douglas, Marcus Garbia Cadahy. For me, it means that in all your professed love of your people, you still had exceptions, reservations and exclusions, one of which was the black woman. Now you tell me, loon, if you think that's acceptable. As much as I stand for my people, I have an exception and an ex that's the black woman. Harry Belafonte one of our greatest black activists, celebrities. Right, he was a singer, actor, dancer. Harry Belafonte was the man. He was Jamie Fox before Jamie Fox minus the comedy. Right, But he married those non black women. He funded King and everything, married those non black women. Who else is it out there in this community? I mean, I love my brother killer Mike. I love my brother David man Yeah, them my brothers. But that's the killer. Mike is an integrationist. He's an integration So everybody is integrationist. But you no David Manner, not no integrationists. I don't think t I is an integrationists, okay, right, But the ones they put out in front of you all the time for their opinions tend to be integrationists. They don't want black people to be nationalists. White people lose too much money. If you're in a let's say, well, you become nationalists. You know what that means, were keeping our money to ourselves. You don't need an Asian boycott. We already had black nationalists, right. The only reason why you need an Asian boycott is because we're not independent and nationalists. If we was nationalists, we would have already been separate from the Asians. You followed him. It don't take Cyrus to die for you to boycott the Asians. You already got your own. If you were a true nationalist, nationalism to people.
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Speaker 10: First, you already have your own infrastructure. You don't need the boycott where you nationalists? Well, you ever hear a Chinese say the black people got in our nurs let's boycott him. They don't give your money anyway because they nationalists. Everybody practices nationalism, and said black folks, and they try to make nationalism a dirty word.
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Speaker 1: I say that that's become one of those radioactive winns. They don't want black people to ever use that word. Black nationalism with scared the hell out of this country. Marcus Garvey was the most feared black man in American history, arguably Frederick Douglas. I'm gonna go with Garvey, though I'm gonna go with Garby because even though the great and Honorable Frederick Douglass fought to destroy the system of slavery upon which America was built, I would probably have to give him a tie because that put a lot of fear in them Crackers too. At the end of the slave game, Garvey comes. He did what Frederick does, but on a modern level. I'm going to create a completely independent black infrastructure domestically and internationally with the Black Star Line. Lunar Crackers wasn't going to get another black dollar, Garvey said, black producer, black distributor, black consumer. There was no room for the white man to get paid off the black dollar, and that's why Garvey had to go. They said, we cannot let this. How can we do that again? Though, like and explain the people, explain the people don't know what that was. The Black Star Line. The Black Star Line was a global international manufacturing and distribution network exclusive to the African race. If you needed to visit another country, we got the ships. Remember there was no planes yet, so we're going to escort you. You ain't given none of these shipping lines no money when the planes came along. Logically, we'd had our own airlines. You ain't given Delta American Airlines Continental. You see that Garvey was creating a black world from which no other race could exploit a dollar. At the time of his death, he was working on a black bank. He was also working on a black census. He wanted to do a global census on an African race. How many farmers we got race wide? How many plumbers we got? Yeah, yeah, we need Garvey was sincere though he was a prophet. Garvey really wanted to help black people. He just didn't want to look like it. He actually wanted to do it. How do you have that kind of impact? Like, how do you all organize in that way? Is it even possible for you to organize in that well? How do you have that same kind of impact? You can do it. It's easier now because of the technology, right, but that's offset by what Loon is offset by the fact that black people are less serious now than we've ever been. So you have the technology to make it easier, but you have a mindset to make it more difficult. Of the two, excuse me. Of the fifty million Africans in America freedomen and immigrants, fifty only ten million is serious. We are out numbered by one to five. Damn dude, I'm gonna say it again. Loan outnumbered consciousness. The Africans out numbered conscious Africans wonder five. And you know what's sad. White people outnumber black people, Wonder five. You are umber the white people Wonder five and you out number by the one five. But we can't, we can't back down. We got to do what they did in the movie three hundred. We got to pull an turn to us versus everybody. That Turner said, I don't care how many people God told me to free mind another prophet that when you say nat and them put fear in the white team. When that Turner sat in that jail cell and that white man came in there, drew and interviewed him, sat in the jail cell, he got chains on him, a little like Christ. And the white man said, you say God told you to do this through the dreams and visions. That turner said, yet, And the white man said to him, loom, Well, most of your comrades have been captured. Henry hark Nelson, Sam, they captured. They in jail, they've been killed. The revote is over. He looked that turning dead in his eyes and said, don't you feel mistaken now on this idea of yours that you was surprised? It is over? That turned the vent over, loon. And guess what he said? Four words that shook history? Was not Christ crucified? That's true, loom. You talk about unapologetic. He about to be hanged, and he looked that white man in his face and said, you asked me to question my mission? Was not Christ's crucified? In other words, if God gave his only son to die, who are you to say I wasn't supposed to. That's what I'm saying. That's what my homeboy was talking about. That spirit about like my life go with that, Yes, you know what I mean? Reason about your freedom for nobody? Yes, And it's like it's like, now you don't get that. You won't with doctor King the last night of his life before he was executed in that church, and you do know he was supposed to go to the church. He was tired. Rob David the prophetic speech April third, raining outside the Storms of the Ancestors, Rob Dabrad and Abnathty was supposed to get a speech and guess what happened. Rol Dabdabanathty said, all these black people packed out the church even though it's a storm outside, and you know, we don't like to do the rain. Loune. He said he thought it would be a few people. He said that shit was standing in room only. He said in the ring, he said, I gotta go call Martin. They came to hear Martin. They don't want to hear me the prophet. Guess who tried to stop him, allegedly resting peace to him. They said Jesse Jackson told Ralph David Abonathy, don't call Martin, I'll do the speech. And Rolf said, no, I'm gonna call Martin. And when doctor King in other words, that speech was intended by God to be given that night. You feel me. It wasn't on the agenda. God put it there. And when Martin got up there and he said, I've been to the mountaintop and I've looked over and I've seen the promised land. He's telling us I'm leaving y'all. He don't even know what he's telling us, you feel me, because he's speaking from spirit, that's by himself. He's telling us. He don't even know he's telling us they's leaving his loan. And then he said, I've been to the Promised Land. I'm not fearing any man. Mine eyes have seen the glory. You know what that meant. That means God, perhaps through the ancestors, appeared to doctor King at some point recently and he saw divinity and a minute he was faced with reality. Not this reality loan, because this is just a hologram. King saw the truth. And the minute he saw the truth, he lost all fear of the white man. When King lost fear of the white man, God said it's time for you to come home. You know what his mission was. I believe one of doctor King's missions in life loom because remember we're giving a destiny and fulfilling that destiny, we address all the spiritual contradictions we will send it to address. I think one of doctor King's essential spiritual contradictions was fear of the oppressor. You feel me in a minute, he lost it. That night took him out. He lost the fear. God said, you graduated, come home? Yeah? Wow? Yes? Do you think that there was no need for him to spend another day in this earthly journey? Because once you achieved your destinies. Your spirit came here to deal with its fear. I don't know who doctor King was in the previous life, but his spirit came back partially to deal with that fear. I'm sure there was other things. But when that man stood up there and said, my eyes have seen the glory of the coming to the Lord, he basically said, I am God. You feel me. He told the world do whatever you want. I am God. And the Lord said, come on home, son. He was a prophet when they killed King. How did black people respond to that? In that time? Shoot the largest riots. Remember you just had the red hot summer of sixty seven. You just had over one hundred race riots loom to, some of them fall. See I spirit back then was man, like you said, more serious against the enemy, not each other. Yeah, even back then the gangs might be gang war. But guess what when you mess with the race, they stood together and clapped. You follow And so imagine having the long hot racial summer in sixty seven. That's the Detroit Riot, that's the Newark Riot. Remember the President enacted the Insurrection Act that was created in the that turn of days to deal with Detroit. You follow me, America was burning, and imagine you quell that. That's when they gave Third Good Marshall the Supreme Court to try to appease blacks. And then the very next year, you got to do it all over again, cause y'all just kill King America burned two summers in a row. And that's why after they kill King Loon, they said, we're gonna hit him with crack. We're gonna hit him with AIDS, and we're gonna hit it with mass unemployment because we were too strong that spirit you're talking about. They said, we got the break it, and they used crack to do it. My God, and distractions and other things, but distractions was longer down the line. They needed something like crack. Immediately. You need something to kill this black power now because we cut the head off in the body still alive. Yeah, they said, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna economically destroy the black family. We've got to put the black men against the black woman so they stop worrying about us. We're gonna put the black man against the black woman. So they stopped worrying about us. And that's when a black on black male female think kick the feminism snuck in. They didn't gonna economically destroy the black man, so he's no longer relevant to his black woman. See that we're gonna crucifying with poverty. We're gonna lynch in with poverty. And then once we bring the poverty about, we're gonna drop that crack and the AIDS. It didn't hit him with that crime bill from Bill Clinton. We never read. Technically, we didn't even need to Bill Clinton crime bill Cracking AIDS would have done. Crack in AIDS pretty much broke the spiritual back of Black America. The Bill Clinton crime bill just put the dirt on top of the casket. You follow me, and Barack Obama just sung you a good night song as they was covering your body up. I think it. But Donald Trump picked you up out the casket. You're still in the casket, but he picked you up and said it was all the dream and threw your eyes back there. You thought you were Donald Trump. Yeah, Black people up from this illusion of inclusion that Barack Whosain Obama gave us. And here's the sad part of looming. Black people are gonna go vote like crazy November thirty. And I'm not gonna stop and mind got a problem with you vote it, don't hurt me one way or the other. But once some Democrats get back in there, listen to I'm gonnaive you prophecy right now. We're gonna talk about it after November. Whoever getting in the next they're gonna bring back them immigrants like you ain't never seen before. Bring them back. There's going to be more Chinese in this country, more Indians in this country. You follow me, more white image. Reason to suffocate black power in the black agenda. They're gonna make you irrelevant. You follow me. All the issues on the TV is going to be about immigrants and non black people of color. You follow me. They're gonna make black people completely invisible. We better get ready for now. It's time. You better get ready for damn though. They are going to suffocate us with immigrants. That's why we got to stop the multi cultural talk now, and we got to stop the black and brown talk now. Stop that ship now, because when them Democrats get back in there and you still talking multi culturalism black and brown people of color, you're just gonna help them do what they're gonna do anyway, much easier black versus everybody who out of candidates we should be looking out for. What do you mean for in the next two years? All candidates? Oh, nobody I could recommend. Yeah, I see out there. It's even I don't see anybody. I see a bunch of opportunists who want to be in office a couple of years so they can get that government pension for the rest of their life. Most black people are running for politics to build their business empire and make the connections in office for after office, because you can't take no money while you're in office, So we're gonna handle this when I'm no longer you, right. And the other side is what loan the pensions? The government got the best pensions and in many jurisdictions, did you know you only have to serve in office one or two terms that get a pension the rest of your life. Think about this for a minute. Loan, you only got the serving office one term, and you're going to get a pension the rest of your life. That's why these black people running for office, they don't care about you. With me, bro, pastors, politicians, pep stay all the same person. That's same person, different outfits, exploitation for personal gain, and that's why I want FDMG because we got to build the leaders that we want. You got to make them. Now, Yeah, you can't pray for them. You got to make them when you make those. Oh no, let's talk about it is Jay versus Kanye spirit wise, not the lyrics, music or anything like that. When when you see Jay, because I think my question to you was, do you think that the MAGA, Republicans and stuff would be shooting at It depends on what. See. The part he not giving me is what they mad at him for. I'm sure there things going off in the background. That right, he got a struggle he ain't sharing with nobody, and I think that's dangerous because Michael Jackson did the same thing. Michael Jackson should have told the world Sondy Records is trying to kill me. He should have just said it. Put him on Oh shit, he just told you follow me. Think Drake should say that who after Drake? The same Universal Music Group allegedly if he thinks so of them for billions of dollars, do he think I thought he lost? We're still going on and negotiating behind the scenes that Popular cannot keep their beef with the white power structure to themselves it's against it works against you. You follow me. If Jay z and I'm not saying he is, but if he ever to the point where he's threatn for his safety, call out who the person? Call out the perpetrator? Would you sit with Dame Dash? I would sit with Dame John Yeah, I think I'm gonna do that. Me, you and Dame Dash, just to have a conversation, because I think Dames is a cool guy, but I think he could he can stand some you know, pushback to some of the things that he that he said, what do you take from his thing about Dame? And we got to figure out how to do this. I'm sure Damon's working on this. I wouldn't mind talking to him about this. Dame Dash is a treasure because he was at the top at one time, which means he knows the ins and outs of the whole structure. You follow me, So if we're going to create a black counter culture to the white dominated music and Hollywood culture, Dame could be our tour guy. He is an excellent constantly you follow me, He's that excellent outside Indy. Yet me tell you he the one you bring in? You say, Doc, my football team got to play this other team for the national championship. You beat him, come and tell us your forman And I think that treasure. Yeah, he's valuable, very valuable, very valuable. And I would say that he has damn near Oprah without Oprah's money. It's not that he has more information than Jay, but he has different but he has he has different information because he did it y'all wait in the independence, so he knows a little bit more. I think he's someone that, uh, that we can utilize in this culture much more than. We got to start building some systems. Man. We had a point in our life now, even though we're still young. We could be as long as the minister who knows. Shout out to the minister for being blessed. But we got to start creating some systems. Man, I don't want to die and our children and grandchildren look back and say, y'all knew he was going through this and y'all did nothing about it. I'm not just talking about leaving him some life erance policy. Fo. You gotta leave him a new reality exactly. It's time for systems. That's why I wanted to school to hurry and get done, because we have a place to meet, you follow me a private place to meet. We don't have that in Black America. A lot of places, most of the independent private places I know that are black owned. They're either not conscious or they funded by white folks that they can't do this. So I'm hoping to hurry up and get you know, done with that. How can you press that though? Like, how can you have to get with a lawyer? See what they're going to do? You got to press Three black people holding up us from this singening to me like man, then all the money tied up in it, like bro, y'all get this going? Hey, y'all doing just from even if it's from a business perspective. Remember this is an investment sitting now. Remember what we know about black hate. Black hate is the only type of self hate. You won't see it in another group. I will burn down the whole empire just to get at you, you follow me. No other race tolerates that, but with black people, you have the right to burn down the whole empire to get at And that's what we're dealing with FDMG. Them three people are willing to hold the progress of black boys just so doctor Umar don't get the credit do you. I wanted to ask you too before we get out of here about Drake. What's your feelings about Drake. I want a conversation with Drake. I just want to sit down with him for maybe ten to fifteen minutes. I did get an invite to Toronto for August, but we might push it through stept. I just want to say I want to know where he is in terms of racial identity, you know, I just want to know where he is about black people? Are you just using blackness to sell records and then you wipe off stage? Like I just want to know who he is. Does he give you that he's right to follow him enough?
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Speaker 7: Like?
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Speaker 1: I don't really follow none of these young people, you know, I don't really I don't. You know. Some good songs though, Don't get me wrong, he talented Kendrick, but I don't listen to them. I'm still into the eighties and nineties. You know what I'm saying too, because I think that's how Kendrick disconnected him for a moment as he started to attack his anti blackness, and Mike got to be dealt with. Yeah. See, Michael Eddison also spoke about it. I can't remember exactly what he said.
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Speaker 9: At the same time, we know that Clarence Thomas is the dark skin black man. We know that Candace Owns is a brown skin black woman, and they are legitimately black. I don't contest their blackness. It's the moral content of their identities and their public policies that.
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Speaker 1: I would have a difference with.
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Speaker 11: So you can't get mad at the fact that Brazil has a conception of blackness. So does Haiti, so does what happens in Honduras. So the point is you can't just limit it here. And so I think people were trying to make Drake show a passport as to his legitimate blackness. He's black because he continues to exist in the world that sees him as a black man. He continues to talk about issues that are critical. Now again, if you know, say, Kendrick is I don't know France fan Owned and Drake is Joan Parsart. He's talking about the existential stuff.
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Speaker 1: He's talking about.
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Speaker 11: Girlfriends, he's talking about what happens when you get up in the morning.
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Speaker 1: He's talking about vulnerability.
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Speaker 11: He got beat up early on because what is this golfy rapper doesn'y He's not.
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Speaker 1: A thug because all black people aren't.
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Speaker 11: He's not, you know, out here slinging around his authenticity because he kills somebody, because he doesn't.
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Speaker 8: He is a.
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Speaker 11: Decent human being, high intelligence, who likes to party, have fun, reflect upon his emotional life, and exists as a human being and a culture that often demonizes that.
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Speaker 1: That's why I'm teaming. But whatever he said, jay Z called him about it and had a conversation with him. But yeah, like I think, you know, I think it's a conversation to be had there, Like it's Drake because I think he's black. I think he's black. I don't see him, Like, give me anything that tells me that he's not a part of the culture in that way. I don't know. And if you are correct, and I certainly hope you are, what has he done or what is he doing to advance the condition of ask the new question in Canada, because they catch the same hell in Canada as we catch here. What is Drake doing for his people? Is he building a school? Is he building a hospital? You have Jewish ancestry, so you certainly have the connections. That's the one thing about Drake. He has bloodline connections. To do some of the things we need to do for ourselves. You follow me, jay Z, don't have no Jewish ancestry to connect with you do. So from that perspective, Drake is more. You are able to make a change in almost any other celebrity. The question is will he right? Have you heard Iceman his new album? I haven't heard, Okay, so yeah, it's doing pretty good. He dropped two or three albums. At three albums, so that's how many songs total? Sixty something songs, I think you're saying twenty twenty twenty roughly roughly, yeah, bout fifty sixty songs. He satisfied his contract, right, that's what they're saying. He's trying to do again because he's in this big fight with Universal and GOT isn't careful with that bottom line because they're literally trying to sell. They can't sell. They're getting their offers rejected. You gotta be careful, like it's big business. I didn't know it was to that. Yeah, you gotta be care it's really big business going. You gotta be care really big. This Jewish ancestry may save him from suffering the same fate as Michael Jackson, though maybe it depends on how well connected his Jewish family members are. But knowing what you know about the rich Jews or are they the poor Jews? But I'm knowing what you know about the world. He gotta be careful. Would you would tell Drake to be careful and be careful of who you have around you. Be careful. Dead artists make more money. And we're not speaking nothing over him. Is he in a position to have to check his water and check its? Yes, so you think his head is dad level, is what you're telling me. Universal could lose billions. Yeah, they just got like reject Michael Jackson just got offer for sixty four billion rejected. Yeah, and you know when they put those numbers, that's not I guess he's going through the same thing. Michael Jackson went, yeah, And so when he gave them the three albums, they stocks going up and things start more, and so they tried to make the all like Son. He didn't want to let Michael Jackson. So it's the same thing. That's what I'm saying. That's why he's playing with the glove and that's why he's if that's why he put the glove on. Yeah, my goodness, Lord. Yes, he basically told us I'm going through the same thing as Mike. Yes, that's what he's doing, that's his whole thing. That's why he be careful. He paid one hundred and thirty five thousand for that to Actually he's telling y'all like, yo, I'm that's the glove on the album coming because of what they're trying to do to this. Yes, and I just beat all of Mike records with this album. You gotta be you know what I'm saying. So it's very sick. Gotta be careful. Yeah, you gotta be. Yeah, I sold Mike, though now he ain't outsold Mike. He beat a record because streaming helps with beat some of those record But even with the streaming, nobody has sold more total albums there. And then also you got to take how many albums it's taking to do that, how many songs? How much volume Mike didn't have, like you might got seven thousand songs versus two hundred. And it's like Nick to Nick, I see what you say. You know what I'm saying, So fair comparison. You got way more content exactly and you still exactly exactly. So you think that's the unfair comparison Drake and Mike. It is because when you bought a Michael Jackson album, you didn't have the convenience of just tapping your phone. You had to get off your ass, go to the music store and buy it. I remember those days of having the record player because Whitney Houston my favorite. I remember buying Whitney Houston album, coming home and playing it on my record player. You followed, you had to go get it. You don't have to go get Drake or christ Rusher. Shout out to my brother Usher. I'm just using their names hypothetically, right, as an example, you just click on your phone. Michael Jackson, you had to go. It was inconvenience. It could be at yourself. They have mine. Well sometimes your mother it's like, hey, I'm really different, bro. It was different. Yeah. So now its almost like one album to five because of the inconvenience, right, right, And I think it needs to be accounted for. But I think music people number people. People with a certain i Q work line is that you have you have quantitative analysis, right, nothing wrong with that. That's when you say Chris Brown has done this more than Mike Drake has done this more than Mike Mariah Carey has done this morning, Whitney right. Quantitative yes, and then you have your qualitative yes. This is when people who say Michael Jordan over Lebron, they say, I see all your stats and they matter, but guess what to live it and to see both of them in action. There are factors that make him better than him that your numbers can. You see that, loan, They are fantagible intangibles that your numbers cannot capture. Psychological evaluation. When I evaluate a kid, I could put all that data into a program and it'll write a psychological evaluation report for me. Right. Psychologists don't even do their own reports. A lot of them the computer do. Right. But guess what, Loan, there are intangibles about this child that I saw and heard and observed that the psychological program can't capture. Do your quantitative qualitative? How many times have you you went to high school? Take hip hop? Right? You you know people who so better than people who are way better than them, and people to tell you he was better than him, and you'll say quantitatively, yes, qualitatively if you put them in a room together, Nigga, it ain't night and day. You follow what I'm saying and what we say is we are qualitative and a quantitative people, as African people. See the white man want you to be strictlytive, so you ignore everything else. We can never give up that, keep your qualitative no matter what the white man says. Progress we may, we still know and shit change, right, And that's that on that and y'all take that game and do something with it. Doctor Umar Jhoneson. 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