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Coming up on this edition
of the Joint Podcast,
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we may not be, you know, we're not
trying to be all things to all people.
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But again, if you're in a relationship,
whether it's, like I said, if
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you're, you're married, you're
dating, uh, if you're a leader in
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any type of way, you can't be afraid
to hear what people have to say.
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Now, of course, with social media, um.
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There are some people who just gonna,
they're gonna drag you no matter what.
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Mm-hmm.
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That that's what they're there for.
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There's always gonna be the antagonist.
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Right.
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Um, but you, you take it, whatever
it is, take it all and pull
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out what you need for yourself.
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Um, you know, and then
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at the intersection of logic and truth,
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this is the logical lawyer, and it's
that part, exploring legal, social, and
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cultural issues with insight, clarity,
and purpose, truth and logic, sharp and
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clear insight and hope we bring it here.
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Where truth meet logic in action,
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it's the Logical lawyer
and it's that part.
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Welcome to the Talk of the Times,
a joint production of the Logical
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Lawyer with host Bernie Brown and
the It's that Part Podcast hosted
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by yours truly, Jesse Lee Hammonds.
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And although we approached the various
items and persons of interest from
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different backgrounds professionally,
Bernie being a prosecutor and former
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Los Angeles, California Assistant
City Attorney, as well as a Hall of
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Fame member of the John m Langston
Bar Association of Los Angeles,
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just to name a couple of headliners.
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And me, a longtime former manager of
human resources and corporate assets at
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the Fortune 500 Company, at and t and
former Radio and International Club Jock.
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We have a shared commitment to
clarity, logic, lawfulness, relevance,
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as well as truth in every fact.
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All brought together with real
conversations amongst ourselves.
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And with others about the times in
which we have and currently live.
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It's the talk of the times.
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First of all, when you diagnosed
with cancer, the first thing
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we think about is death.
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It does not matter if it's
finger cancer, toe cancer.
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We think of death because the word cancer
just kind of brings on that thought.
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But, um, the, you know, being diagnosed
at such an early age, I was 33.
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Um.
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You know, five babies at home.
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They were, I think 12
all the way down to four.
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And so it was, it was a difficult time,
but man, I, when I look back at it now,
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the first diagnosis was 24 years ago.
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It, and just, and then when I got
diagnosed the second time that.
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Nine, almost 19 years ago.
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So, um, but it was, it was harder,
I think, as a mom of small children
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more than it was as a wife, because
again, I thought about death as well.
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My mother had breast cancer.
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She was diagnosed in the first time
in 1990, and then it came back,
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I'm not sure how long, but it came
back and it, it was uterine cancer.
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And then eventually, um.
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Medically speaking, it took her life.
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But she said if she, when she died, she
said, just tell them God, call me home.
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So going through that, knowing she
had it, it was in the family, right?
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And so having to go through that and look
at my babies and thinking that I wouldn't
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see them grow up or get married or things
like that, that weighed heavier on me.
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And leaving them than anything.
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But the blessing was, um, I had a
really good village and I still do, you
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know, my village did rally around me.
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Uh, Jesse's wife was one of them, uh,
who really rallied around me both times.
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Uh, the first time I was
very private about it.
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'cause you know, again, that
goes back to what goes on in
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this house, stays in this house.
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But the second time, because
that was gonna be a lot harder
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challenge, more in depth surgery
and everything that came with that.
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And now my kids are older.
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Right now there's 17 down to like 11 now.
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I really, I have to tell everybody now,
'cause the first time I didn't tell them.
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And so, and the church was involved, like
the whole church was involved this time.
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So, um, but like I said, I
think I really, God chose me.
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That's, and I, I do have two other sisters
and I, I initially, I wondered why me?
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And the Holy Spirit said, why not you?
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I asked a second time,
why me say it again?
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So, but that's part of self-examination
because when the second diagnosis came,
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the Holy Spirit showed me that there was
something I didn't learn the first time.
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So that's why I had to come back
and that's, that's one of the
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things I have to take to the grave.
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But that's, you mentioned Uhhuh.
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Say it again.
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You mentioned self-examination.
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My mother had breast cancer.
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Mm-hmm.
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And the first time she discovered
it was through a self-examination.
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Mm-hmm.
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And see that's how you can
do the double play on words.
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'cause my self-examination was the
self-examination I'm talking about in the
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book, not necessarily the physical Yeah.
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Self-examination.
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But yes.
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That too.
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And, but just doing that self-reflection
and the, you know, I, when I was in
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the hospital the second time, I had
what's called my ninth hour experience.
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It's in the other book that
I wrote about breast cancer.
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And man Oh man, I'm telling you
that's, it was like looking at my life
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in four D. And I could see it all.
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And then he reminded me,
this is why it came back.
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This is why I allowed it to came back.
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To come back.
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Mm. And I was like, couldn't you just
tell me like, you can, you can, I
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would've accepted the handwriting on
the wall, you know, beside, but again.
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We get hardheaded and we don't do the,
either the physical self-examination as
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females or the, just the self-examination
looking within and stop blaming other
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people and take responsibility for
our actions or our lack of action.
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Mm-hmm.
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And that, yeah.
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So, but yeah, it's, I, I thank you for
asking the question, um, because that,
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you know, we can plug that book later.
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and, and
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it is actually all about self-examination.
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Difficult and mental.
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Yep.
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Social.
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What's, what's one simple step
to start self-examination?
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Um, kind of maybe doing what I did.
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Like I said, talk to
people that you trust.
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Don't go to your haters.
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Don't always gonna tell you
what you need to fix, right?
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But maybe just a handful
of people, maybe 5, 6, 7.
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Like I said, I did about 10 and they
were of different ages and nationalities.
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Races, right?
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Because I wanted to see if they
would, how different it would be.
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Ask those folks to tell you
about yourself a lot of times.
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Or often we do not ask
people tell me about myself.
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They always say, tell us about
your salary job interviews.
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Give us a little bit about yourself.
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If you go into a job interview, you're
not gonna say, well, you know what?
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At my last job I stole like $10,000.
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And then, you know, I was able
to pay off a student loan.
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And you know, we don't do that.
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We talk about what we're capable of.
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But if you get some folks you trust
that are in your inner circle to
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tell you just about yourself, that's,
that's the way to get started.
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And then once they tell you,
don't brush it off, accept it, and
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then start chipping away at it.
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Because like I said, um, all of us have
taken advantage of somebody in our lives.
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All of us have hurt somebody
intentionally and unintentionally.
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All of us have broken rules.
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Whether it's behind the wheel,
behind the scenes, right.
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We've all done something.
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And so to walk around and think
that we haven't, that's, that's
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just living a lie anyway.
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'cause all of us as sinned, right?
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That's, that's what scripture says.
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We've all sinned.
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Um, but we've all done something.
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And then once you, once you get that
person or those persons to tell you about
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yourself, you accept it, start working
on it, and then when you come out, I,
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I also encourage people to journal as
they do this, because you'll forget.
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You'll forget.
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And the blessing about.
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This book is, um, I'd start on a
chapter, and as you see, you know, each
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chapter talks about sex in some way.
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And they'd have like a little byline
or something, or, or subtitle.
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Mm-hmm.
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Um, but I could go back and look
at my journals from before and the
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Lord is giving me a decent mind
where I can kind of recall stuff.
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'cause if I'm writing something,
it'll spark a memory and then
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I can plug it into the book.
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And that's, you'll see that, uh, I,
I remember when I was nine years old.
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Uh, speaking of chapter
three, it's my fault.
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I was taking swimming
lessons at nine years old.
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I was going across the,
the, the swimming pool.
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Oh, you got, I I was just getting to, uh,
tell you a story about that, you know,
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'cause I was, I was looking for 'em.
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Like, wait a minute.
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She says something about swimming.
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Go, go ahead.
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Go ahead.
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Go ahead.
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But, but I'll, I'll steer her.
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So I was taking swimming lessons because
my mother said she didn't know how to.
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Swim and she, she said we needed to
learn because she couldn't, she wouldn't
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be able to save us if we fell in.
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So we took swimming lessons and
it was a junior Olympic size pool
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or probably a college size pool.
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And I had to swim.
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They have us swim across
it of the long way.
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'cause that was just too many.
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That was what, 50 meters?
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And so I did my thing and I was getting,
I was almost done with my lessons, right?
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'cause you have to swim forward or.
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Uh, whatever this, the front stroke
and then you had to float on my
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back, so I swam across, did fine.
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Well, I started floating and
I got tired and I just let go.
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So I was, you know, floating.
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And then I just let my legs go because
I kept, I got tired of just the quick
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flapping of my legs and I let go.
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And I was in five feet.
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And at the time, since I was nine,
I was probably only 36 inches.
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Maybe four feet tall, maybe 48 inches
for those wood out there doing the math.
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And, um, the water was above my
head, and water was below me,
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so I couldn't touch the bottom.
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So I was literally suspended with
probably a foot of, uh, or yeah, a foot
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of water above me and a foot of water
below me with the bottom pool, taking
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pool, taking water, taking in water.
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I was in the water.
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Mm-hmm.
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You were taking, were you taking any
Oh, no, I wasn't taking in the water.
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I was holding my breath because
I was very good at that breath.
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As long as you could.
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And I just, and I just sat there
and I was just like, and I'm looking
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up 'cause I couldn't bounce right.
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To try to push myself up and it, it
didn't dawn on me to flap my arms.
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I just sat there and I'm looking
around like, okay, I guess this
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is how I'm gonna die, but I'm
holding my breath the whole time.
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I was just there like, okay,
eventually somebody gonna come get me.
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The instructor jumped in and
pulled me out and they took me to
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the opposite end of where he was.
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He yelled at me, he looked
like Terry Cruz, and he was
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like, I told you not to stop.
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I told you to keep going.
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And I'm on the other side crying,
not because I almost drowned.
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I'm crying because.
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He was yelling at me.
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Mm. Because I was literally
at peace under all that water.
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I was just, I'm telling you, you
have, I wish I could show you.
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Just somebody's coming.
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I'm just looking.
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And um, yeah.
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So that was, that was my fault, right?
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I stopped.
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I should have kept going.
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I knew how to.
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Swim, but why I didn't react like
I should have and try to like
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flat my arms and bring me up.
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That didn't, it didn't make sense to me.
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It just didn't.
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And then it was his fault too, 'cause he
should have jumped in and got me sooner.
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Well, a little levity on
that particular point there.
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Uh, I don't know how old, old I was.
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I was very young.
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YMCA.
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Mom and my sister, they
were learning how to swim.
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So, uh, we were learning
how to swim as well.
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And, um, I was, uh, picked
up and tossed into the water.
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Mm. Uh, I was back in those
days, I, I had, uh, a, a very bad
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temper and I would hold a grudge.
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Oh, I was, I was mad at the world.
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Because, you know, I was scared I
was taking on water and I didn't want
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to even try learning swimming again.
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But me being Jesse, I tried it again,
uh, this time at the, down the street
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at the, the local, uh, swimming pool.
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And this was when I, I
started noticing girls.
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Okay.
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And so I said, well, I'm going to.
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Run up to this thing, and I'm going to
do a, a nice, you know, high dive in
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this pool and, you know, show off and,
oh, man, I started drinking the water.
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All right.
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I got out of there and after I
coughed it up enough, uh, and started
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walking back home with my leg, my, my
tail between my legs and everything
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with people laughing, I'm like,
okay, I'm not gonna do that again.
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Fast forward quickly.
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And last one, I was in the Philippines.
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Mm.
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And uh, we were there on assignment, um,
and uh, after we launched the Jets and
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everything, uh, we would go back to the
hotel that they were holding us up in.
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And so everyone was having
a good time and everything.
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Uh, Sam, Miguel, and, you know,
the whole nine yards red horse.
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And, uh, we are diving into the pool now.
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Me.
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I am diving into the pool.
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This goes to, uh, uh, uh, the,
the, the, the, the shallow water
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part that, that you were speaking
of, or swimming to the other side.
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Mm-hmm.
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I would dive in off the diving
board now and then I would curl.
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And, and kick and, and, and just
kind of cruise over to the edge.
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I did that a number of times, but
then I, I guess I got full and uh,
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I said, well, you know, I'm going
to go, go for a no splash situation.
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Okay.
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So I go, I jump off the board and
I go straight up a belly flopper.
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Pardon me?
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A belly flopper.
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No, no, no.
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I was trying to go for 10, you know.
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No scratch.
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And, uh, and so I went up
and I went straight down.
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Whoa.
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Now this pool was, you know, hotel pool.
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This was like 10 or 12 feet down.
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So I hit the water.
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And as soon as I hit that water with
my hands, I'm like, oh no, I'm going
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straight down instead of curling over.
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And I'm like, oh my God.
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Okay.
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So I said, okay, calm, just keep kicking
and you're gonna get to the bottom and
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then you can push yourself back up.
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Okay?
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So I did that and I was
in shape in those days.
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And so I pushed up and
I'm kicking, kicking.
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I'm not kicking, and I didn't push
over to the left or to the right.
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I pushed straight up.
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So I'm kicking, kicking, kicking,
kicking, kicking, kicking.
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When is it coming?
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And my fingers were not
breaking air up here.
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Yeah.
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And then it finally broke some air.
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And I got up, uh, enough
height to say, whoa,
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me and I, and I was trying to make some,
some, some noise and whatever, you know,
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and eventually someone did come get me
as they were laughing and everything
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and pull me out and I'm coughing up
water and stuff 'cause I'm drinking it.
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You know, I'm like, Lord, I, I did pray.
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I said, Lord, please don't let me die
down here in the Philippines like this.
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Right, right.
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I I was not at peace.
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Uh, uh, uh, uh, sister Laura.
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I was like, man, I'm, I'm
down here sinning, you know,
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don't take me like this.
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So, so, but anyway,
that was, that was fun.
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Yeah, well when I read that chapter
I said, oh man, that was me.
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But I wasn't that piece.
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Yeah.
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I may as well
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give you just one mic, quick story since
you guys are talking about swimming.
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I was taking swimming lessons, learning
how to swim, and I'd gotten to the
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point where I could jump in the deep
end and I'm gonna say mine fast.
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Mm. And how to dog pedal.
334
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But similar to Laura, I
jumped in and I went down.
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And I froze.
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Ooh.
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And I, I felt like I didn't know.
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I couldn't get to the side, get back up,
and in the middle of it all, I'm staring.
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I'm like, boy, you know,
I'm not at peace though.
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Like you, Laura,
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I'm starting to panic.
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I'm like, oh, no, no, no.
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I felt someone pull my feet.
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At least I saw somebody pull my
foot and then I snapped out of it.
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Hmm.
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And just started dog felling and SW swam
to the top and swed over and swam over.
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So, interesting.
348
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Oh, we all have our swim through.
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Well, that's supernatural right there.
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Right,
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right,
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right,
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right.
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We're gonna talk about that,
that in the book again.
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Yeah.
356
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Okay.
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So, um, let's see here.
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Uh, we're getting down to, uh, the end.
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We've, we've covered, you know,
you know, the, the, a simple step
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to start the self-examination.
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And, and I think that that's key.
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Um, now, um, what else would you have or
would you hope that listeners take away
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from this book and in fact, even this
conversation that they will carry with
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them, you know, long into the future for,
for the rest of their lives, if anything.
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And you know, Mr. Bernie touched on it.
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Self-examination is lifelong.
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Mm-hmm.
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It does.
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'cause we never arrive, right?
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We, we reach destinations or we reach
the end of a particular part of the
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journey, but it doesn't stop till we die.
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Really, self-examination is always
ongoing and not, not to be afraid to
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know the truth about yourself, you know?
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Um, and if, and if it's just you in
the mirror and you're saying yourself.
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Proclamations or you're saying you're
encouraging words or whatever it is,
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that's fine too, but don't, it's always
better to have someone else to kind of
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show you, uh, things you might be missing.
378
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'cause we probably think we're
the best thing since sliced bread.
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But truth be told, and we may not be.
380
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You know, and we're not trying
to be all things to all people.
381
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But again, if you're in a relationship,
whether it's, like I said, if
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you're, you're married, you're
dating, uh, if you're a leader in
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any type of way, you can't be afraid
to hear what people have to say.
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Now, of course, with social media, um,
there are some people who just gonna,
385
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they're gonna drag you no matter what.
386
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Mm-hmm.
387
00:20:00,469 --> 00:20:02,975
Because that, that's
what they're there for.
388
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There's always gonna be the antagonist.
389
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Right.
390
00:20:05,614 --> 00:20:09,334
Um, but you, you take it, whatever it is.
391
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Take it all and pull out
what you need for yourself.
392
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,919
Um, you know, and then for,
and by my book, and then also,
393
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right?
394
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Um, but also be honest.
395
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Don't just, I mean, like
really say, Hey, you know what?
396
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You messed up yesterday.
397
00:20:24,810 --> 00:20:26,189
That wasn't someone else's fault.
398
00:20:26,189 --> 00:20:28,860
That, that, that, that report
didn't get done on time.
399
00:20:29,790 --> 00:20:31,014
I should have taken the reins.
400
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And done whatever.
401
00:20:32,524 --> 00:20:38,405
If you see somebody falling or they're
sinking and you don't help 'em, it's
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almost like one of my favorite songs.
403
00:20:39,935 --> 00:20:43,294
He says, well, I, you told me when
you told me you were drowning.
404
00:20:43,294 --> 00:20:44,014
I didn't lend a hand.
405
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:47,850
You know, I, so we're part of the problem.
406
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Mm-hmm.
407
00:20:48,210 --> 00:20:48,220
Mm-hmm.
408
00:20:48,570 --> 00:20:54,330
You know, um, and so also, like
I said, I think journaling, you
409
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know, uh, that that's therapeutic
in itself, you know, and it doesn't
410
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have to be a journal anyone reads.
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So I would say once you fill
up one of 'em, burn it, you
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know, the right way or Right.
413
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Correctly.
414
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,380
And then 'cause you, you're done with it.
415
00:21:07,380 --> 00:21:09,750
But if you're the kind who likes
to reflect, like I did, that's how
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I was able to write the books that
I've written, is that I journal.
417
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Then I go back and say, I remember
saying something about it.
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And if you don't wanna do a journal,
put it on your memo pad on your phone.
419
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Um, and then, like I said, start walking
in that don't, you know, don't go
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backwards 'cause none of us have that.
421
00:21:26,215 --> 00:21:29,575
We have more time behind us
than we do ahead of us, right?
422
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Um, and life is gonna keep
life in no matter what.
423
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And if, if we don't do the
self-examination, and again,
424
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take responsibility, like if you
messed up, you messed up, say it.
425
00:21:41,425 --> 00:21:41,815
Don't.
426
00:21:42,199 --> 00:21:45,949
You got picture, video and handwriting
and you said, no, it wasn't me.
427
00:21:47,179 --> 00:21:51,290
Just, just admit it, you know, just,
just admit that you messed up because
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people will respect you more too.
429
00:21:53,090 --> 00:21:54,320
I, I really believe that.
430
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And especially like intimate
relationships, you know
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that that partner will.
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Respect you more if your business partner,
whatever, like yeah, you know what?
433
00:22:01,885 --> 00:22:04,135
I'm sorry, I skimmed off
the top, or whatever it is.
434
00:22:04,135 --> 00:22:05,455
Or I forgot to do something.
435
00:22:05,515 --> 00:22:10,495
Just say it because who wants to go
forward not trusting that person, you
436
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know, that you're going through life with.
437
00:22:12,265 --> 00:22:15,625
Um, and I guess if I were to give
anything else, it would probably be
438
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like, don't be afraid to be called.
439
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On something.
440
00:22:20,550 --> 00:22:22,500
Um, we don't like that.
441
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We don't like the embarrassment that comes
with it, the shame, you know, depending
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on what it is, but also speak up for
those who can't speak up for themselves.
443
00:22:29,370 --> 00:22:31,770
Like I said in the beginning of
the book, there's a lot to unpack.
444
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Yes.
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And um, and if you find yourself reading
this book and you see yourself in the
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forward, then you need to put my book
down and go make a phone call or go.
447
00:22:45,090 --> 00:22:50,370
Talk to that person because nine times out
of 10 it's gonna spark a memory somewhere.
448
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It may not be that particular one,
but it's gonna spark something
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that you were privy to, that you
should have said something about.
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And you know, you have to
accept the consequences too.
451
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Like I said, we don't want consequences.
452
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We want the positive ones.
453
00:23:02,669 --> 00:23:04,889
We don't want the negative ones, you know?
454
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And I think the more people do that
in general, the less fighting we'll
455
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do, the less bickering, the less.
456
00:23:13,379 --> 00:23:17,909
Hate, you know, um, it's just,
I, I just, you know, I just,
457
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I just really love this book.
458
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I read, I read it multiple
times just for myself to remind
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myself what I put on paper.
460
00:23:24,689 --> 00:23:27,540
'cause it's not easy to be
vulnerable in black and white.
461
00:23:27,899 --> 00:23:30,929
So, and if we weren't recording
this and I just told y'all what I
462
00:23:30,929 --> 00:23:33,600
told you, and a year, I can say, I
don't know what y'all talking about.
463
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,320
I never said that.
464
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Right.
465
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But yeah.
466
00:23:36,030 --> 00:23:37,845
But putting things in black and white.
467
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You have to be okay with that.
468
00:23:40,014 --> 00:23:41,845
And I, I had to be okay with it.
469
00:23:41,845 --> 00:23:45,205
There's a couple of friends who said,
um, like, I shouldn't put scripture
470
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in here because of the title.
471
00:23:47,334 --> 00:23:49,135
'cause like you said,
it can be misleading.
472
00:23:50,365 --> 00:23:53,125
But I'm like, no, this God has
brought me through all of this.
473
00:23:53,125 --> 00:23:54,564
This is how I was able to
do what I have to do it.
474
00:23:54,564 --> 00:23:54,574
It's.
475
00:23:55,165 --> 00:23:58,225
It's ref, it's uh, excuse
me, it's pertinent scripture.
476
00:23:58,225 --> 00:23:59,425
It's not like I just made it.
477
00:23:59,425 --> 00:24:01,195
Put some scripture in
there to show scripture.
478
00:24:01,495 --> 00:24:05,335
It goes with whatever's going
on in the book, you know,
479
00:24:05,335 --> 00:24:07,645
and, and then say, apologize.
480
00:24:08,665 --> 00:24:12,175
Apologize to yourself because
you, you didn't know better.
481
00:24:12,175 --> 00:24:13,045
Maybe you didn't know better.
482
00:24:13,045 --> 00:24:14,425
Maybe there was no outlet for you.
483
00:24:14,425 --> 00:24:17,155
Maybe there wasn't a safe
space for you to say whatever.
484
00:24:17,155 --> 00:24:17,815
Do whatever.
485
00:24:18,355 --> 00:24:19,435
Apologize to ask.
486
00:24:19,555 --> 00:24:20,665
Ask God for forgiveness.
487
00:24:20,945 --> 00:24:23,435
And if you have to apologize
to me, I'm here too.
488
00:24:23,615 --> 00:24:27,034
But you know, and or if you
don't have to, if you know, get
489
00:24:27,034 --> 00:24:28,415
it, just get it off your chest.
490
00:24:28,415 --> 00:24:30,425
'cause I don't want you
to have that heavy heart.
491
00:24:30,965 --> 00:24:33,004
We can't be productive,
you know, in that way.
492
00:24:34,145 --> 00:24:35,014
That is great.
493
00:24:35,014 --> 00:24:35,375
I mean.
494
00:24:35,755 --> 00:24:40,045
I see from your book and from what
you're saying, it's a book of courage.
495
00:24:40,135 --> 00:24:42,355
'cause it takes a lot of courage
to do what you're saying.
496
00:24:42,415 --> 00:24:42,505
Mm-hmm.
497
00:24:42,745 --> 00:24:46,465
Inner courage to talk to people,
to hear what they have to say about
498
00:24:46,465 --> 00:24:51,325
you and to respect their opinions,
and then to take corrective action.
499
00:24:51,445 --> 00:24:51,535
Mm-hmm.
500
00:24:51,895 --> 00:24:52,795
I hear you saying that.
501
00:24:52,795 --> 00:24:56,185
That's in your book and that
is amazing and beautiful too.
502
00:24:56,635 --> 00:24:58,875
And then I hear you saying another thing.
503
00:24:59,665 --> 00:25:01,285
Forgive yourself, you know?
504
00:25:01,345 --> 00:25:04,855
'cause I know when I look back
at myself, I kind of tend to hold
505
00:25:04,855 --> 00:25:06,970
things against myself when I, mm-hmm.
506
00:25:07,050 --> 00:25:09,505
When I think, well, I should have
done this, I should have done that.
507
00:25:09,505 --> 00:25:10,375
I should have done this.
508
00:25:10,375 --> 00:25:12,775
And you're saying go correct it.
509
00:25:13,165 --> 00:25:16,015
There's something you should
have said, go tell that person.
510
00:25:16,135 --> 00:25:16,465
Correct.
511
00:25:16,875 --> 00:25:19,065
What you did and get it right.
512
00:25:19,395 --> 00:25:24,405
And if you, if it's too late to correct
it, forgive yourself, you know, and, and
513
00:25:24,405 --> 00:25:28,425
just understand that you made a mistake
and don't make the same mistake again.
514
00:25:28,725 --> 00:25:29,505
Exactly.
515
00:25:30,765 --> 00:25:30,975
Yep.
516
00:25:30,975 --> 00:25:31,350
It's great.
517
00:25:31,785 --> 00:25:32,565
It's brilliant.
518
00:25:32,595 --> 00:25:32,835
Yeah.
519
00:25:33,465 --> 00:25:34,275
You have in the book.
520
00:25:34,935 --> 00:25:35,445
Thank you.
521
00:25:35,535 --> 00:25:35,895
Thank you.
522
00:25:36,435 --> 00:25:38,085
Hey, uh, I, I think it's great.
523
00:25:38,085 --> 00:25:41,325
I, uh, to your point,
there's a lot in this book.
524
00:25:42,375 --> 00:25:45,195
We, we didn't even get to those
relationships and things, you know?
525
00:25:45,285 --> 00:25:46,005
Right, right.
526
00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:49,785
I, I mean that, that I was, I was
just cheesing at a couple of, you
527
00:25:49,785 --> 00:25:53,660
know, not, not because of, of you
whatever, but because of the, the bone.
528
00:25:54,449 --> 00:25:55,574
You know, so,
529
00:25:57,689 --> 00:26:01,740
but, um, where, where can, oh, first
of all, thank you, you know, for
530
00:26:01,740 --> 00:26:03,330
joining us this afternoon there.
531
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:04,530
Thank you for having me.
532
00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:06,270
I, uh, I really appreciate it.
533
00:26:06,504 --> 00:26:08,399
Where, where can people get your book?
534
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,760
Um, of course, Amazon
and Barnes and Noble.
535
00:26:12,510 --> 00:26:17,699
And, um, to give me more royalties, if
you go on the actual website, virtual.
536
00:26:18,060 --> 00:26:20,340
Virtual bookworm.com.
537
00:26:20,910 --> 00:26:22,140
It's, that's the publisher.
538
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,980
Um, you can get it there, but
yeah, and if folks need to reach
539
00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:27,450
out to me personally, they can.
540
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:29,879
If they wanted an autograph
copy, I can do that too.
541
00:26:29,940 --> 00:26:32,160
We are planning for a, a book signing.
542
00:26:32,879 --> 00:26:36,570
Um, it's gonna be in the first of the
year because, um, we're getting ready
543
00:26:36,570 --> 00:26:40,560
to get into the holidays now and there's
also a Spanish version coming out, so,
544
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,520
Ooh, si.
545
00:26:43,625 --> 00:26:45,905
But it's, it's translated
in Spanish as well.
546
00:26:47,105 --> 00:26:47,524
It there?
547
00:26:47,524 --> 00:26:48,304
Here, look at that.
548
00:26:48,365 --> 00:26:48,455
Oh,
549
00:26:48,455 --> 00:26:48,754
you I got,
550
00:26:50,165 --> 00:26:51,605
I got weird autograph.
551
00:26:52,835 --> 00:26:53,135
Yeah.
552
00:26:53,585 --> 00:26:57,155
I've got folks who,
you know I translation.
553
00:26:57,155 --> 00:27:00,605
It was, I'm telling you, I'm just
really happy about this book.
554
00:27:00,605 --> 00:27:02,945
Like you said, it's got a lot
of good nuggets and as thin as
555
00:27:02,945 --> 00:27:05,074
it is, it's packed with a lot.
556
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:05,149
It is.
557
00:27:05,485 --> 00:27:06,264
It really is.
558
00:27:06,354 --> 00:27:07,225
It really is.
559
00:27:07,225 --> 00:27:10,435
And I, I, um, I really recommend it.
560
00:27:10,435 --> 00:27:12,264
I'm sure Bernie feels the same way.
561
00:27:12,925 --> 00:27:18,475
Um, now if, if people want to reach out to
you, to your point of getting the signed
562
00:27:18,475 --> 00:27:25,014
copy and all of that, um, and, and in
other ways, um, do you do social media?
563
00:27:25,735 --> 00:27:26,935
I do do social media.
564
00:27:26,935 --> 00:27:29,635
So for Instagram, it's Survivor two times.
565
00:27:30,585 --> 00:27:35,055
S-U-R-V-I-V-O-R-T-W-O-T-I-M-E-S.
566
00:27:35,715 --> 00:27:42,705
And then, uh, the other one I have is
Laura, a Franklin, and then Facebook,
567
00:27:44,715 --> 00:27:47,685
Laura and Wash Laura and Franklin.
568
00:27:47,985 --> 00:27:48,675
I think that's it.
569
00:27:49,035 --> 00:27:52,754
I I used it because Instagram is
connected, so whatever I post on Instagram
570
00:27:53,355 --> 00:27:56,835
and then if, you know, if they really need
to like email me and that's even fine too.
571
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,980
It's Laura Ann Franklin nine19@gmail.com.
572
00:28:00,980 --> 00:28:06,140
So it's L-A-U-R-A-A-N-N,
franklin919@gmail.com.
573
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,550
And you need to put in the heading this
podcast so I'll know what you're doing.
574
00:28:10,550 --> 00:28:12,680
Otherwise I'll just delete it, right?
575
00:28:12,740 --> 00:28:14,870
Because I'll think it's probably
spam or something that's trying
576
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:16,310
to be a scam or whatever.
577
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,750
But yeah, I I definitely, and we can talk
about the saying and everything and, um.
578
00:28:21,195 --> 00:28:21,465
Yeah.
579
00:28:21,465 --> 00:28:22,755
I'm just, I'm just so excited.
580
00:28:22,755 --> 00:28:26,115
I really appreciate y'all having me on
and it's so good to see you Mr. Bernie.
581
00:28:26,115 --> 00:28:29,475
I'm glad you were here to, to pull
out some more nuggets, you know,
582
00:28:29,475 --> 00:28:32,835
and I'd like to, one day we just
have a round table discussion.
583
00:28:33,255 --> 00:28:34,425
Oh, that would be great.
584
00:28:35,265 --> 00:28:36,015
We could do that.
585
00:28:36,405 --> 00:28:37,095
We could do that.
586
00:28:37,125 --> 00:28:37,305
Okay.
587
00:28:39,555 --> 00:28:40,200
That would be wonderful.
588
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:44,020
But yeah, so thank,
thank you so much, Jesse.
589
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:44,590
Oh, one more thing.
590
00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:46,780
Before we go, if, if I
could give a call to action.
591
00:28:47,230 --> 00:28:47,380
Sure.
592
00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:49,900
Just to stop, stop allowing
people to be lenient.
593
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:54,850
Stop being lenient with people who waste
your time or who hurt your feelings
594
00:28:54,850 --> 00:28:56,815
for the sake of having a. Friend.
595
00:28:57,355 --> 00:28:57,805
Mm.
596
00:28:58,375 --> 00:28:58,765
Right.
597
00:28:58,765 --> 00:29:03,115
Like we, we allow people to
tread on us for the sake of
598
00:29:03,115 --> 00:29:04,615
saying, oh, that's my friend.
599
00:29:04,885 --> 00:29:07,045
That's another part of self-examination.
600
00:29:07,045 --> 00:29:07,135
That
601
00:29:07,135 --> 00:29:08,305
why I have no friends.
602
00:29:12,565 --> 00:29:14,800
That's another part of
self-examination ask, you know?
603
00:29:16,110 --> 00:29:16,400
Okay.
604
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:17,840
Yeah, that's be funny.
605
00:29:18,740 --> 00:29:21,025
And that's the talk of the times.
606
00:29:21,925 --> 00:29:24,955
On behalf of the co-host Bernie
Brown, we thank you for listening.
607
00:29:25,290 --> 00:29:29,550
And we hope it compels you into action
or triggers some mindful thought
608
00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:31,290
about the times in which we live.
609
00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:35,220
We also invite you to check out
the Logical lawyer, Bernie Brown.
610
00:29:36,060 --> 00:29:40,260
And the It's that part Podcast with
yours truly, Jesse Lee Hammonds
611
00:29:40,260 --> 00:29:42,570
wherever you listen to your podcast.
612
00:29:42,930 --> 00:29:47,820
And for even more, Bernie, check out
his book on Amazon, a Prosecutor's
613
00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:52,710
Analysis of Personal Supernatural
Experiences, which is a collection
614
00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:58,740
of fascinating stories awaiting your
verdict of fact fiction fabrication.
615
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:01,530
Or fantasy you decide.
616
00:30:02,340 --> 00:30:06,990
You can also connect with Bernie on
his website, the logical attorney.me.
617
00:30:07,230 --> 00:30:13,439
That's the logical attorney.me and
connect with me at it's that part.com
618
00:30:13,439 --> 00:30:15,149
where you can also access both.
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Podcast and now you've got it.
620
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,400
It's the talk of the Times
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at the intersection of logic and truth.
622
00:30:26,590 --> 00:30:32,500
This is the Logical lawyer and it's
that part, exploring legal, social, and
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00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:39,970
cultural issues with insight, clarity,
and purpose, truth and logic, sharp and
624
00:30:39,970 --> 00:30:44,530
clear insight and hope we bring it here.
625
00:30:47,950 --> 00:30:48,425
Where truth.
00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,870
Coming up on this edition
of the Joint Podcast,
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we may not be, you know, we're not
trying to be all things to all people.
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But again, if you're in a relationship,
whether it's, like I said, if
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you're, you're married, you're
dating, uh, if you're a leader in
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any type of way, you can't be afraid
to hear what people have to say.
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Now, of course, with social media, um.
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There are some people who just gonna,
they're gonna drag you no matter what.
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Mm-hmm.
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That that's what they're there for.
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There's always gonna be the antagonist.
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Right.
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Um, but you, you take it, whatever
it is, take it all and pull
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out what you need for yourself.
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Um, you know, and then
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at the intersection of logic and truth,
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this is the logical lawyer, and it's
that part, exploring legal, social, and
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cultural issues with insight, clarity,
and purpose, truth and logic, sharp and
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clear insight and hope we bring it here.
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Where truth meet logic in action,
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it's the Logical lawyer
and it's that part.
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Welcome to the Talk of the Times,
a joint production of the Logical
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Lawyer with host Bernie Brown and
the It's that Part Podcast hosted
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by yours truly, Jesse Lee Hammonds.
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And although we approached the various
items and persons of interest from
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different backgrounds professionally,
Bernie being a prosecutor and former
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Los Angeles, California Assistant
City Attorney, as well as a Hall of
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Fame member of the John m Langston
Bar Association of Los Angeles,
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just to name a couple of headliners.
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And me, a longtime former manager of
human resources and corporate assets at
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the Fortune 500 Company, at and t and
former Radio and International Club Jock.
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We have a shared commitment to
clarity, logic, lawfulness, relevance,
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as well as truth in every fact.
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All brought together with real
conversations amongst ourselves.
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And with others about the times in
which we have and currently live.
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It's the talk of the times.
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First of all, when you diagnosed
with cancer, the first thing
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we think about is death.
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It does not matter if it's
finger cancer, toe cancer.
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We think of death because the word cancer
just kind of brings on that thought.
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But, um, the, you know, being diagnosed
at such an early age, I was 33.
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Um.
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You know, five babies at home.
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They were, I think 12
all the way down to four.
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And so it was, it was a difficult time,
but man, I, when I look back at it now,
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the first diagnosis was 24 years ago.
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It, and just, and then when I got
diagnosed the second time that.
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Nine, almost 19 years ago.
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So, um, but it was, it was harder,
I think, as a mom of small children
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more than it was as a wife, because
again, I thought about death as well.
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My mother had breast cancer.
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She was diagnosed in the first time
in 1990, and then it came back,
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I'm not sure how long, but it came
back and it, it was uterine cancer.
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And then eventually, um.
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Medically speaking, it took her life.
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But she said if she, when she died, she
said, just tell them God, call me home.
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So going through that, knowing she
had it, it was in the family, right?
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And so having to go through that and look
at my babies and thinking that I wouldn't
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see them grow up or get married or things
like that, that weighed heavier on me.
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And leaving them than anything.
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But the blessing was, um, I had a
really good village and I still do, you
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know, my village did rally around me.
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Uh, Jesse's wife was one of them, uh,
who really rallied around me both times.
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Uh, the first time I was
very private about it.
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'cause you know, again, that
goes back to what goes on in
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this house, stays in this house.
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But the second time, because
that was gonna be a lot harder
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challenge, more in depth surgery
and everything that came with that.
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And now my kids are older.
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Right now there's 17 down to like 11 now.
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I really, I have to tell everybody now,
'cause the first time I didn't tell them.
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And so, and the church was involved, like
the whole church was involved this time.
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So, um, but like I said, I
think I really, God chose me.
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That's, and I, I do have two other sisters
and I, I initially, I wondered why me?
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And the Holy Spirit said, why not you?
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I asked a second time,
why me say it again?
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So, but that's part of self-examination
because when the second diagnosis came,
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the Holy Spirit showed me that there was
something I didn't learn the first time.
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So that's why I had to come back
and that's, that's one of the
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things I have to take to the grave.
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But that's, you mentioned Uhhuh.
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Say it again.
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You mentioned self-examination.
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My mother had breast cancer.
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Mm-hmm.
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And the first time she discovered
it was through a self-examination.
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Mm-hmm.
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And see that's how you can
do the double play on words.
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'cause my self-examination was the
self-examination I'm talking about in the
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book, not necessarily the physical Yeah.
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Self-examination.
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But yes.
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That too.
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And, but just doing that self-reflection
and the, you know, I, when I was in
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the hospital the second time, I had
what's called my ninth hour experience.
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It's in the other book that
I wrote about breast cancer.
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And man Oh man, I'm telling you
that's, it was like looking at my life
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in four D. And I could see it all.
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And then he reminded me,
this is why it came back.
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This is why I allowed it to came back.
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To come back.
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Mm. And I was like, couldn't you just
tell me like, you can, you can, I
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would've accepted the handwriting on
the wall, you know, beside, but again.
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We get hardheaded and we don't do the,
either the physical self-examination as
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females or the, just the self-examination
looking within and stop blaming other
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people and take responsibility for
our actions or our lack of action.
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Mm-hmm.
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And that, yeah.
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So, but yeah, it's, I, I thank you for
asking the question, um, because that,
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you know, we can plug that book later.
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Well,
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and, and
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it is actually all about self-examination.
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Mm-hmm.
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Difficult and mental.
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Yep.
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Social.
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What's, what's one simple step
to start self-examination?
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Um, kind of maybe doing what I did.
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Like I said, talk to
people that you trust.
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Don't go to your haters.
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Don't always gonna tell you
what you need to fix, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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But maybe just a handful
of people, maybe 5, 6, 7.
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Like I said, I did about 10 and they
were of different ages and nationalities.
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Races, right?
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Because I wanted to see if they
would, how different it would be.
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Ask those folks to tell you
about yourself a lot of times.
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Or often we do not ask
people tell me about myself.
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They always say, tell us about
your salary job interviews.
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Give us a little bit about yourself.
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If you go into a job interview, you're
not gonna say, well, you know what?
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At my last job I stole like $10,000.
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And then, you know, I was able
to pay off a student loan.
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And you know, we don't do that.
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We talk about what we're capable of.
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But if you get some folks you trust
that are in your inner circle to
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tell you just about yourself, that's,
that's the way to get started.
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And then once they tell you,
don't brush it off, accept it, and
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then start chipping away at it.
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Because like I said, um, all of us have
taken advantage of somebody in our lives.
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All of us have hurt somebody
intentionally and unintentionally.
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All of us have broken rules.
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Whether it's behind the wheel,
behind the scenes, right.
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We've all done something.
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And so to walk around and think
that we haven't, that's, that's
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just living a lie anyway.
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'cause all of us as sinned, right?
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That's, that's what scripture says.
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We've all sinned.
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Yeah.
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Um, but we've all done something.
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And then once you, once you get that
person or those persons to tell you about
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yourself, you accept it, start working
on it, and then when you come out, I,
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I also encourage people to journal as
they do this, because you'll forget.
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You'll forget.
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And the blessing about.
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This book is, um, I'd start on a
chapter, and as you see, you know, each
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chapter talks about sex in some way.
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And they'd have like a little byline
or something, or, or subtitle.
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Mm-hmm.
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Um, but I could go back and look
at my journals from before and the
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Lord is giving me a decent mind
where I can kind of recall stuff.
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'cause if I'm writing something,
it'll spark a memory and then
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I can plug it into the book.
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And that's, you'll see that, uh, I,
I remember when I was nine years old.
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Uh, speaking of chapter
three, it's my fault.
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It's their fault.
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I was taking swimming
lessons at nine years old.
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I was going across the,
the, the swimming pool.
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Oh, you got, I I was just getting to, uh,
tell you a story about that, you know,
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'cause I was, I was looking for 'em.
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Like, wait a minute.
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She says something about swimming.
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Go, go ahead.
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Go ahead.
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Go ahead.
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But, but I'll, I'll steer her.
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So I was taking swimming lessons because
my mother said she didn't know how to.
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Swim and she, she said we needed to
learn because she couldn't, she wouldn't
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be able to save us if we fell in.
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So we took swimming lessons and
it was a junior Olympic size pool
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or probably a college size pool.
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And I had to swim.
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They have us swim across
it of the long way.
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Right.
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'cause that was just too many.
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That was what, 50 meters?
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And so I did my thing and I was getting,
I was almost done with my lessons, right?
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'cause you have to swim forward or.
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Uh, whatever this, the front stroke
and then you had to float on my
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back, so I swam across, did fine.
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And he says, float back on your back.
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Well, I started floating and
I got tired and I just let go.
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So I was, you know, floating.
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And then I just let my legs go because
I kept, I got tired of just the quick
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flapping of my legs and I let go.
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And I was in five feet.
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And at the time, since I was nine,
I was probably only 36 inches.
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Maybe four feet tall, maybe 48 inches
for those wood out there doing the math.
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And, um, the water was above my
head, and water was below me,
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so I couldn't touch the bottom.
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So I was literally suspended with
probably a foot of, uh, or yeah, a foot
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of water above me and a foot of water
below me with the bottom pool, taking
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pool, taking water, taking in water.
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I was in the water.
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Mm-hmm.
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You were taking, were you taking any
Oh, no, I wasn't taking in the water.
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I was holding my breath because
I was very good at that breath.
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As long as you could.
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And I just, and I just sat there
and I was just like, and I'm looking
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up 'cause I couldn't bounce right.
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To try to push myself up and it, it
didn't dawn on me to flap my arms.
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I just sat there and I'm looking
around like, okay, I guess this
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is how I'm gonna die, but I'm
holding my breath the whole time.
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And I wasn't panicked or anything.
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I was just there like, okay,
eventually somebody gonna come get me.
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And eventually it did.
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The instructor jumped in and
pulled me out and they took me to
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the opposite end of where he was.
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He yelled at me, he looked
like Terry Cruz, and he was
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like, I told you not to stop.
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I told you to keep going.
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And I'm on the other side crying,
not because I almost drowned.
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I'm crying because.
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He was yelling at me.
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Mm. Because I was literally
at peace under all that water.
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I was just, I'm telling you, you
have, I wish I could show you.
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And I just sat there.
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Just somebody's coming.
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I'm just looking.
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And um, yeah.
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So that was, that was my fault, right?
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I stopped.
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I should have kept going.
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I knew how to.
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Swim, but why I didn't react like
I should have and try to like
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flat my arms and bring me up.
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That didn't, it didn't make sense to me.
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It just didn't.
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And then it was his fault too, 'cause he
should have jumped in and got me sooner.
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Well, a little levity on
that particular point there.
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Uh, I don't know how old, old I was.
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I was very young.
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YMCA.
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Mom and my sister, they
were learning how to swim.
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So, uh, we were learning
how to swim as well.
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And, um, I was, uh, picked
up and tossed into the water.
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Mm. Uh, I was back in those
days, I, I had, uh, a, a very bad
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temper and I would hold a grudge.
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Oh, I was, I was mad at the world.
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Because, you know, I was scared I
was taking on water and I didn't want
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to even try learning swimming again.
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But me being Jesse, I tried it again,
uh, this time at the, down the street
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at the, the local, uh, swimming pool.
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And this was when I, I
started noticing girls.
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Okay.
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And so I said, well, I'm going to.
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Run up to this thing, and I'm going to
do a, a nice, you know, high dive in
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this pool and, you know, show off and,
oh, man, I started drinking the water.
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All right.
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I got out of there and after I
coughed it up enough, uh, and started
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walking back home with my leg, my, my
tail between my legs and everything
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with people laughing, I'm like,
okay, I'm not gonna do that again.
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Fast forward quickly.
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And last one, I was in the Philippines.
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Mm.
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And uh, we were there on assignment, um,
and uh, after we launched the Jets and
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everything, uh, we would go back to the
hotel that they were holding us up in.
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And so everyone was having
a good time and everything.
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Uh, Sam, Miguel, and, you know,
the whole nine yards red horse.
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And, uh, we are diving into the pool now.
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Me.
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I am diving into the pool.
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This goes to, uh, uh, uh, the,
the, the, the, the shallow water
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part that, that you were speaking
of, or swimming to the other side.
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Mm-hmm.
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I would dive in off the diving
board now and then I would curl.
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And, and kick and, and, and just
kind of cruise over to the edge.
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I did that a number of times, but
then I, I guess I got full and uh,
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I said, well, you know, I'm going
to go, go for a no splash situation.
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Okay.
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So I go, I jump off the board and
I go straight up a belly flopper.
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Pardon me?
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A belly flopper.
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No, no, no.
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I was trying to go for 10, you know.
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No scratch.
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And, uh, and so I went up
and I went straight down.
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Whoa.
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Now this pool was, you know, hotel pool.
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This was like 10 or 12 feet down.
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So I hit the water.
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And as soon as I hit that water with
my hands, I'm like, oh no, I'm going
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straight down instead of curling over.
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And I'm like, oh my God.
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Okay.
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So I said, okay, calm, just keep kicking
and you're gonna get to the bottom and
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then you can push yourself back up.
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Okay?
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So I did that and I was
in shape in those days.
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And so I pushed up and
I'm kicking, kicking.
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I'm not kicking, and I didn't push
over to the left or to the right.
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I pushed straight up.
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So I'm kicking, kicking, kicking,
kicking, kicking, kicking.
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When is it coming?
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And my fingers were not
breaking air up here.
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Yeah.
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And then it finally broke some air.
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And I got up, uh, enough
height to say, whoa,
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me and I, and I was trying to make some,
some, some noise and whatever, you know,
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and eventually someone did come get me
as they were laughing and everything
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and pull me out and I'm coughing up
water and stuff 'cause I'm drinking it.
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You know, I'm like, Lord, I, I did pray.
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I said, Lord, please don't let me die
down here in the Philippines like this.
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Right, right.
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I I was not at peace.
322
00:16:34,070 --> 00:16:35,505
Uh, uh, uh, uh, sister Laura.
323
00:16:37,035 --> 00:16:41,235
I was like, man, I'm, I'm
down here sinning, you know,
324
00:16:41,415 --> 00:16:42,615
don't take me like this.
325
00:16:44,325 --> 00:16:48,045
So, so, but anyway,
that was, that was fun.
326
00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:53,300
Yeah, well when I read that chapter
I said, oh man, that was me.
327
00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:54,650
But I wasn't that piece.
328
00:16:54,650 --> 00:16:54,710
Yeah.
329
00:16:54,710 --> 00:16:54,860
I may as well
330
00:16:54,860 --> 00:16:58,940
give you just one mic, quick story since
you guys are talking about swimming.
331
00:16:59,090 --> 00:17:02,540
I was taking swimming lessons, learning
how to swim, and I'd gotten to the
332
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point where I could jump in the deep
end and I'm gonna say mine fast.
333
00:17:05,300 --> 00:17:07,430
Mm. And how to dog pedal.
334
00:17:07,819 --> 00:17:14,000
But similar to Laura, I
jumped in and I went down.
335
00:17:14,655 --> 00:17:16,365
And I froze.
336
00:17:16,785 --> 00:17:17,115
Ooh.
337
00:17:17,805 --> 00:17:20,265
And I, I felt like I didn't know.
338
00:17:20,325 --> 00:17:26,025
I couldn't get to the side, get back up,
and in the middle of it all, I'm staring.
339
00:17:26,025 --> 00:17:28,245
I'm like, boy, you know,
I'm not at peace though.
340
00:17:28,245 --> 00:17:28,965
Like you, Laura,
341
00:17:31,215 --> 00:17:32,475
I'm starting to panic.
342
00:17:32,505 --> 00:17:33,645
I'm like, oh, no, no, no.
343
00:17:34,190 --> 00:17:36,500
I felt someone pull my feet.
344
00:17:37,250 --> 00:17:41,450
At least I saw somebody pull my
foot and then I snapped out of it.
345
00:17:42,555 --> 00:17:42,635
Hmm.
346
00:17:43,610 --> 00:17:48,590
And just started dog felling and SW swam
to the top and swed over and swam over.
347
00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:49,970
So, interesting.
348
00:17:50,060 --> 00:17:51,260
Oh, we all have our swim through.
349
00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,990
Well, that's supernatural right there.
350
00:17:54,050 --> 00:17:54,200
Right,
351
00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:54,440
right,
352
00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:54,770
right,
353
00:17:54,775 --> 00:17:55,075
right.
354
00:17:55,460 --> 00:17:58,835
We're gonna talk about that,
that in the book again.
355
00:18:00,665 --> 00:18:00,955
Yeah.
356
00:18:02,495 --> 00:18:02,855
Okay.
357
00:18:03,185 --> 00:18:06,185
So, um, let's see here.
358
00:18:06,335 --> 00:18:13,625
Uh, we're getting down to, uh, the end.
359
00:18:13,625 --> 00:18:17,855
We've, we've covered, you know,
you know, the, the, a simple step
360
00:18:17,855 --> 00:18:20,825
to start the self-examination.
361
00:18:21,655 --> 00:18:23,845
And, and I think that that's key.
362
00:18:24,264 --> 00:18:33,175
Um, now, um, what else would you have or
would you hope that listeners take away
363
00:18:33,175 --> 00:18:40,825
from this book and in fact, even this
conversation that they will carry with
364
00:18:40,825 --> 00:18:47,754
them, you know, long into the future for,
for the rest of their lives, if anything.
365
00:18:48,660 --> 00:18:50,490
And you know, Mr. Bernie touched on it.
366
00:18:50,970 --> 00:18:52,440
Self-examination is lifelong.
367
00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:52,530
Mm-hmm.
368
00:18:53,580 --> 00:18:53,970
It does.
369
00:18:53,970 --> 00:18:56,250
'cause we never arrive, right?
370
00:18:56,610 --> 00:19:02,250
We, we reach destinations or we reach
the end of a particular part of the
371
00:19:02,250 --> 00:19:05,010
journey, but it doesn't stop till we die.
372
00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:10,110
Really, self-examination is always
ongoing and not, not to be afraid to
373
00:19:10,110 --> 00:19:12,420
know the truth about yourself, you know?
374
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,920
Um, and if, and if it's just you in
the mirror and you're saying yourself.
375
00:19:17,594 --> 00:19:20,985
Proclamations or you're saying you're
encouraging words or whatever it is,
376
00:19:21,314 --> 00:19:27,945
that's fine too, but don't, it's always
better to have someone else to kind of
377
00:19:27,945 --> 00:19:31,995
show you, uh, things you might be missing.
378
00:19:32,024 --> 00:19:34,784
'cause we probably think we're
the best thing since sliced bread.
379
00:19:35,564 --> 00:19:39,975
But truth be told, and we may not be.
380
00:19:40,264 --> 00:19:42,665
You know, and we're not trying
to be all things to all people.
381
00:19:43,054 --> 00:19:45,665
But again, if you're in a relationship,
whether it's, like I said, if
382
00:19:45,665 --> 00:19:49,625
you're, you're married, you're
dating, uh, if you're a leader in
383
00:19:49,625 --> 00:19:53,735
any type of way, you can't be afraid
to hear what people have to say.
384
00:19:53,794 --> 00:19:58,534
Now, of course, with social media, um,
there are some people who just gonna,
385
00:19:58,534 --> 00:19:59,975
they're gonna drag you no matter what.
386
00:19:59,979 --> 00:20:00,280
Mm-hmm.
387
00:20:00,469 --> 00:20:02,975
Because that, that's
what they're there for.
388
00:20:03,364 --> 00:20:04,804
There's always gonna be the antagonist.
389
00:20:04,804 --> 00:20:05,104
Right.
390
00:20:05,614 --> 00:20:09,334
Um, but you, you take it, whatever it is.
391
00:20:09,334 --> 00:20:12,510
Take it all and pull out
what you need for yourself.
392
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,919
Um, you know, and then for,
and by my book, and then also,
393
00:20:17,425 --> 00:20:17,774
right?
394
00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:20,550
Um, but also be honest.
395
00:20:20,730 --> 00:20:23,730
Don't just, I mean, like
really say, Hey, you know what?
396
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:24,810
You messed up yesterday.
397
00:20:24,810 --> 00:20:26,189
That wasn't someone else's fault.
398
00:20:26,189 --> 00:20:28,860
That, that, that, that report
didn't get done on time.
399
00:20:29,790 --> 00:20:31,014
I should have taken the reins.
400
00:20:31,804 --> 00:20:32,524
And done whatever.
401
00:20:32,524 --> 00:20:38,405
If you see somebody falling or they're
sinking and you don't help 'em, it's
402
00:20:38,405 --> 00:20:39,935
almost like one of my favorite songs.
403
00:20:39,935 --> 00:20:43,294
He says, well, I, you told me when
you told me you were drowning.
404
00:20:43,294 --> 00:20:44,014
I didn't lend a hand.
405
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:47,850
You know, I, so we're part of the problem.
406
00:20:47,855 --> 00:20:48,085
Mm-hmm.
407
00:20:48,210 --> 00:20:48,220
Mm-hmm.
408
00:20:48,570 --> 00:20:54,330
You know, um, and so also, like
I said, I think journaling, you
409
00:20:54,330 --> 00:20:58,110
know, uh, that that's therapeutic
in itself, you know, and it doesn't
410
00:20:58,110 --> 00:20:59,610
have to be a journal anyone reads.
411
00:20:59,610 --> 00:21:03,180
So I would say once you fill
up one of 'em, burn it, you
412
00:21:03,210 --> 00:21:04,350
know, the right way or Right.
413
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:05,460
Correctly.
414
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,380
And then 'cause you, you're done with it.
415
00:21:07,380 --> 00:21:09,750
But if you're the kind who likes
to reflect, like I did, that's how
416
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:13,350
I was able to write the books that
I've written, is that I journal.
417
00:21:13,764 --> 00:21:16,165
Then I go back and say, I remember
saying something about it.
418
00:21:16,165 --> 00:21:18,895
And if you don't wanna do a journal,
put it on your memo pad on your phone.
419
00:21:19,615 --> 00:21:24,595
Um, and then, like I said, start walking
in that don't, you know, don't go
420
00:21:24,595 --> 00:21:26,155
backwards 'cause none of us have that.
421
00:21:26,215 --> 00:21:29,575
We have more time behind us
than we do ahead of us, right?
422
00:21:29,935 --> 00:21:34,435
Um, and life is gonna keep
life in no matter what.
423
00:21:34,435 --> 00:21:37,764
And if, if we don't do the
self-examination, and again,
424
00:21:38,155 --> 00:21:41,425
take responsibility, like if you
messed up, you messed up, say it.
425
00:21:41,425 --> 00:21:41,815
Don't.
426
00:21:42,199 --> 00:21:45,949
You got picture, video and handwriting
and you said, no, it wasn't me.
427
00:21:47,179 --> 00:21:51,290
Just, just admit it, you know, just,
just admit that you messed up because
428
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,090
people will respect you more too.
429
00:21:53,090 --> 00:21:54,320
I, I really believe that.
430
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,199
And especially like intimate
relationships, you know
431
00:21:57,199 --> 00:21:58,370
that that partner will.
432
00:21:58,555 --> 00:22:01,885
Respect you more if your business partner,
whatever, like yeah, you know what?
433
00:22:01,885 --> 00:22:04,135
I'm sorry, I skimmed off
the top, or whatever it is.
434
00:22:04,135 --> 00:22:05,455
Or I forgot to do something.
435
00:22:05,515 --> 00:22:10,495
Just say it because who wants to go
forward not trusting that person, you
436
00:22:10,495 --> 00:22:12,145
know, that you're going through life with.
437
00:22:12,265 --> 00:22:15,625
Um, and I guess if I were to give
anything else, it would probably be
438
00:22:15,625 --> 00:22:18,655
like, don't be afraid to be called.
439
00:22:18,990 --> 00:22:19,860
On something.
440
00:22:20,550 --> 00:22:22,500
Um, we don't like that.
441
00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:25,770
We don't like the embarrassment that comes
with it, the shame, you know, depending
442
00:22:25,770 --> 00:22:29,370
on what it is, but also speak up for
those who can't speak up for themselves.
443
00:22:29,370 --> 00:22:31,770
Like I said in the beginning of
the book, there's a lot to unpack.
444
00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:32,190
Yes.
445
00:22:32,610 --> 00:22:39,510
And um, and if you find yourself reading
this book and you see yourself in the
446
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:45,000
forward, then you need to put my book
down and go make a phone call or go.
447
00:22:45,090 --> 00:22:50,370
Talk to that person because nine times out
of 10 it's gonna spark a memory somewhere.
448
00:22:50,429 --> 00:22:52,980
It may not be that particular one,
but it's gonna spark something
449
00:22:52,980 --> 00:22:56,699
that you were privy to, that you
should have said something about.
450
00:22:57,750 --> 00:23:00,120
And you know, you have to
accept the consequences too.
451
00:23:00,149 --> 00:23:01,649
Like I said, we don't want consequences.
452
00:23:01,649 --> 00:23:02,669
We want the positive ones.
453
00:23:02,669 --> 00:23:04,889
We don't want the negative ones, you know?
454
00:23:05,639 --> 00:23:11,280
And I think the more people do that
in general, the less fighting we'll
455
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,080
do, the less bickering, the less.
456
00:23:13,379 --> 00:23:17,909
Hate, you know, um, it's just,
I, I just, you know, I just,
457
00:23:18,389 --> 00:23:19,500
I just really love this book.
458
00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:22,770
I read, I read it multiple
times just for myself to remind
459
00:23:22,770 --> 00:23:24,659
myself what I put on paper.
460
00:23:24,689 --> 00:23:27,540
'cause it's not easy to be
vulnerable in black and white.
461
00:23:27,899 --> 00:23:30,929
So, and if we weren't recording
this and I just told y'all what I
462
00:23:30,929 --> 00:23:33,600
told you, and a year, I can say, I
don't know what y'all talking about.
463
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,320
I never said that.
464
00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:34,770
Right.
465
00:23:35,490 --> 00:23:35,970
But yeah.
466
00:23:36,030 --> 00:23:37,845
But putting things in black and white.
467
00:23:38,574 --> 00:23:39,925
You have to be okay with that.
468
00:23:40,014 --> 00:23:41,845
And I, I had to be okay with it.
469
00:23:41,845 --> 00:23:45,205
There's a couple of friends who said,
um, like, I shouldn't put scripture
470
00:23:45,205 --> 00:23:47,004
in here because of the title.
471
00:23:47,334 --> 00:23:49,135
'cause like you said,
it can be misleading.
472
00:23:50,365 --> 00:23:53,125
But I'm like, no, this God has
brought me through all of this.
473
00:23:53,125 --> 00:23:54,564
This is how I was able to
do what I have to do it.
474
00:23:54,564 --> 00:23:54,574
It's.
475
00:23:55,165 --> 00:23:58,225
It's ref, it's uh, excuse
me, it's pertinent scripture.
476
00:23:58,225 --> 00:23:59,425
It's not like I just made it.
477
00:23:59,425 --> 00:24:01,195
Put some scripture in
there to show scripture.
478
00:24:01,495 --> 00:24:05,335
It goes with whatever's going
on in the book, you know,
479
00:24:05,335 --> 00:24:07,645
and, and then say, apologize.
480
00:24:08,665 --> 00:24:12,175
Apologize to yourself because
you, you didn't know better.
481
00:24:12,175 --> 00:24:13,045
Maybe you didn't know better.
482
00:24:13,045 --> 00:24:14,425
Maybe there was no outlet for you.
483
00:24:14,425 --> 00:24:17,155
Maybe there wasn't a safe
space for you to say whatever.
484
00:24:17,155 --> 00:24:17,815
Do whatever.
485
00:24:18,355 --> 00:24:19,435
Apologize to ask.
486
00:24:19,555 --> 00:24:20,665
Ask God for forgiveness.
487
00:24:20,945 --> 00:24:23,435
And if you have to apologize
to me, I'm here too.
488
00:24:23,615 --> 00:24:27,034
But you know, and or if you
don't have to, if you know, get
489
00:24:27,034 --> 00:24:28,415
it, just get it off your chest.
490
00:24:28,415 --> 00:24:30,425
'cause I don't want you
to have that heavy heart.
491
00:24:30,965 --> 00:24:33,004
We can't be productive,
you know, in that way.
492
00:24:34,145 --> 00:24:35,014
That is great.
493
00:24:35,014 --> 00:24:35,375
I mean.
494
00:24:35,755 --> 00:24:40,045
I see from your book and from what
you're saying, it's a book of courage.
495
00:24:40,135 --> 00:24:42,355
'cause it takes a lot of courage
to do what you're saying.
496
00:24:42,415 --> 00:24:42,505
Mm-hmm.
497
00:24:42,745 --> 00:24:46,465
Inner courage to talk to people,
to hear what they have to say about
498
00:24:46,465 --> 00:24:51,325
you and to respect their opinions,
and then to take corrective action.
499
00:24:51,445 --> 00:24:51,535
Mm-hmm.
500
00:24:51,895 --> 00:24:52,795
I hear you saying that.
501
00:24:52,795 --> 00:24:56,185
That's in your book and that
is amazing and beautiful too.
502
00:24:56,635 --> 00:24:58,875
And then I hear you saying another thing.
503
00:24:59,665 --> 00:25:01,285
Forgive yourself, you know?
504
00:25:01,345 --> 00:25:04,855
'cause I know when I look back
at myself, I kind of tend to hold
505
00:25:04,855 --> 00:25:06,970
things against myself when I, mm-hmm.
506
00:25:07,050 --> 00:25:09,505
When I think, well, I should have
done this, I should have done that.
507
00:25:09,505 --> 00:25:10,375
I should have done this.
508
00:25:10,375 --> 00:25:12,775
And you're saying go correct it.
509
00:25:13,165 --> 00:25:16,015
There's something you should
have said, go tell that person.
510
00:25:16,135 --> 00:25:16,465
Correct.
511
00:25:16,875 --> 00:25:19,065
What you did and get it right.
512
00:25:19,395 --> 00:25:24,405
And if you, if it's too late to correct
it, forgive yourself, you know, and, and
513
00:25:24,405 --> 00:25:28,425
just understand that you made a mistake
and don't make the same mistake again.
514
00:25:28,725 --> 00:25:29,505
Exactly.
515
00:25:30,765 --> 00:25:30,975
Yep.
516
00:25:30,975 --> 00:25:31,350
It's great.
517
00:25:31,785 --> 00:25:32,565
It's brilliant.
518
00:25:32,595 --> 00:25:32,835
Yeah.
519
00:25:33,465 --> 00:25:34,275
You have in the book.
520
00:25:34,935 --> 00:25:35,445
Thank you.
521
00:25:35,535 --> 00:25:35,895
Thank you.
522
00:25:36,435 --> 00:25:38,085
Hey, uh, I, I think it's great.
523
00:25:38,085 --> 00:25:41,325
I, uh, to your point,
there's a lot in this book.
524
00:25:42,375 --> 00:25:45,195
We, we didn't even get to those
relationships and things, you know?
525
00:25:45,285 --> 00:25:46,005
Right, right.
526
00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:49,785
I, I mean that, that I was, I was
just cheesing at a couple of, you
527
00:25:49,785 --> 00:25:53,660
know, not, not because of, of you
whatever, but because of the, the bone.
528
00:25:54,449 --> 00:25:55,574
You know, so,
529
00:25:57,689 --> 00:26:01,740
but, um, where, where can, oh, first
of all, thank you, you know, for
530
00:26:01,740 --> 00:26:03,330
joining us this afternoon there.
531
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:04,530
Thank you for having me.
532
00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:06,270
I, uh, I really appreciate it.
533
00:26:06,504 --> 00:26:08,399
Where, where can people get your book?
534
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,760
Um, of course, Amazon
and Barnes and Noble.
535
00:26:12,510 --> 00:26:17,699
And, um, to give me more royalties, if
you go on the actual website, virtual.
536
00:26:18,060 --> 00:26:20,340
Virtual bookworm.com.
537
00:26:20,910 --> 00:26:22,140
It's, that's the publisher.
538
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,980
Um, you can get it there, but
yeah, and if folks need to reach
539
00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:27,450
out to me personally, they can.
540
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:29,879
If they wanted an autograph
copy, I can do that too.
541
00:26:29,940 --> 00:26:32,160
We are planning for a, a book signing.
542
00:26:32,879 --> 00:26:36,570
Um, it's gonna be in the first of the
year because, um, we're getting ready
543
00:26:36,570 --> 00:26:40,560
to get into the holidays now and there's
also a Spanish version coming out, so,
544
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,520
Ooh, si.
545
00:26:43,625 --> 00:26:45,905
But it's, it's translated
in Spanish as well.
546
00:26:47,105 --> 00:26:47,524
It there?
547
00:26:47,524 --> 00:26:48,304
Here, look at that.
548
00:26:48,365 --> 00:26:48,455
Oh,
549
00:26:48,455 --> 00:26:48,754
you I got,
550
00:26:50,165 --> 00:26:51,605
I got weird autograph.
551
00:26:52,835 --> 00:26:53,135
Yeah.
552
00:26:53,585 --> 00:26:57,155
I've got folks who,
you know I translation.
553
00:26:57,155 --> 00:27:00,605
It was, I'm telling you, I'm just
really happy about this book.
554
00:27:00,605 --> 00:27:02,945
Like you said, it's got a lot
of good nuggets and as thin as
555
00:27:02,945 --> 00:27:05,074
it is, it's packed with a lot.
556
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:05,149
It is.
557
00:27:05,485 --> 00:27:06,264
It really is.
558
00:27:06,354 --> 00:27:07,225
It really is.
559
00:27:07,225 --> 00:27:10,435
And I, I, um, I really recommend it.
560
00:27:10,435 --> 00:27:12,264
I'm sure Bernie feels the same way.
561
00:27:12,925 --> 00:27:18,475
Um, now if, if people want to reach out to
you, to your point of getting the signed
562
00:27:18,475 --> 00:27:25,014
copy and all of that, um, and, and in
other ways, um, do you do social media?
563
00:27:25,735 --> 00:27:26,935
I do do social media.
564
00:27:26,935 --> 00:27:29,635
So for Instagram, it's Survivor two times.
565
00:27:30,585 --> 00:27:35,055
S-U-R-V-I-V-O-R-T-W-O-T-I-M-E-S.
566
00:27:35,715 --> 00:27:42,705
And then, uh, the other one I have is
Laura, a Franklin, and then Facebook,
567
00:27:44,715 --> 00:27:47,685
Laura and Wash Laura and Franklin.
568
00:27:47,985 --> 00:27:48,675
I think that's it.
569
00:27:49,035 --> 00:27:52,754
I I used it because Instagram is
connected, so whatever I post on Instagram
570
00:27:53,355 --> 00:27:56,835
and then if, you know, if they really need
to like email me and that's even fine too.
571
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,980
It's Laura Ann Franklin nine19@gmail.com.
572
00:28:00,980 --> 00:28:06,140
So it's L-A-U-R-A-A-N-N,
franklin919@gmail.com.
573
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,550
And you need to put in the heading this
podcast so I'll know what you're doing.
574
00:28:10,550 --> 00:28:12,680
Otherwise I'll just delete it, right?
575
00:28:12,740 --> 00:28:14,870
Because I'll think it's probably
spam or something that's trying
576
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:16,310
to be a scam or whatever.
577
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,750
But yeah, I I definitely, and we can talk
about the saying and everything and, um.
578
00:28:21,195 --> 00:28:21,465
Yeah.
579
00:28:21,465 --> 00:28:22,755
I'm just, I'm just so excited.
580
00:28:22,755 --> 00:28:26,115
I really appreciate y'all having me on
and it's so good to see you Mr. Bernie.
581
00:28:26,115 --> 00:28:29,475
I'm glad you were here to, to pull
out some more nuggets, you know,
582
00:28:29,475 --> 00:28:32,835
and I'd like to, one day we just
have a round table discussion.
583
00:28:33,255 --> 00:28:34,425
Oh, that would be great.
584
00:28:35,265 --> 00:28:36,015
We could do that.
585
00:28:36,405 --> 00:28:37,095
We could do that.
586
00:28:37,125 --> 00:28:37,305
Okay.
587
00:28:39,555 --> 00:28:40,200
That would be wonderful.
588
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:44,020
But yeah, so thank,
thank you so much, Jesse.
589
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:44,590
Oh, one more thing.
590
00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:46,780
Before we go, if, if I
could give a call to action.
591
00:28:47,230 --> 00:28:47,380
Sure.
592
00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:49,900
Just to stop, stop allowing
people to be lenient.
593
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:54,850
Stop being lenient with people who waste
your time or who hurt your feelings
594
00:28:54,850 --> 00:28:56,815
for the sake of having a. Friend.
595
00:28:57,355 --> 00:28:57,805
Mm.
596
00:28:58,375 --> 00:28:58,765
Right.
597
00:28:58,765 --> 00:29:03,115
Like we, we allow people to
tread on us for the sake of
598
00:29:03,115 --> 00:29:04,615
saying, oh, that's my friend.
599
00:29:04,885 --> 00:29:07,045
That's another part of self-examination.
600
00:29:07,045 --> 00:29:07,135
That
601
00:29:07,135 --> 00:29:08,305
why I have no friends.
602
00:29:12,565 --> 00:29:14,800
That's another part of
self-examination ask, you know?
603
00:29:16,110 --> 00:29:16,400
Okay.
604
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:17,840
Yeah, that's be funny.
605
00:29:18,740 --> 00:29:21,025
And that's the talk of the times.
606
00:29:21,925 --> 00:29:24,955
On behalf of the co-host Bernie
Brown, we thank you for listening.
607
00:29:25,290 --> 00:29:29,550
And we hope it compels you into action
or triggers some mindful thought
608
00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:31,290
about the times in which we live.
609
00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:35,220
We also invite you to check out
the Logical lawyer, Bernie Brown.
610
00:29:36,060 --> 00:29:40,260
And the It's that part Podcast with
yours truly, Jesse Lee Hammonds
611
00:29:40,260 --> 00:29:42,570
wherever you listen to your podcast.
612
00:29:42,930 --> 00:29:47,820
And for even more, Bernie, check out
his book on Amazon, a Prosecutor's
613
00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:52,710
Analysis of Personal Supernatural
Experiences, which is a collection
614
00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:58,740
of fascinating stories awaiting your
verdict of fact fiction fabrication.
615
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:01,530
Or fantasy you decide.
616
00:30:02,340 --> 00:30:06,990
You can also connect with Bernie on
his website, the logical attorney.me.
617
00:30:07,230 --> 00:30:13,439
That's the logical attorney.me and
connect with me at it's that part.com
618
00:30:13,439 --> 00:30:15,149
where you can also access both.
619
00:30:15,220 --> 00:30:18,820
Podcast and now you've got it.
620
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,400
It's the talk of the Times
621
00:30:22,030 --> 00:30:24,130
at the intersection of logic and truth.
622
00:30:26,590 --> 00:30:32,500
This is the Logical lawyer and it's
that part, exploring legal, social, and
623
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:39,970
cultural issues with insight, clarity,
and purpose, truth and logic, sharp and
624
00:30:39,970 --> 00:30:44,530
clear insight and hope we bring it here.
625
00:30:47,950 --> 00:30:48,425
Where truth.
