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This is a Sandy Boy Productions podcast.
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Um, the hair braiding as like a act of care in terms of nursing wasn't something I picked up until I transferred to the ICU.
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When patients are comatose for more than 48 hours, we braid their hair basically because when you're lying sort of in that one position, your hair gets quite matted.
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The hair braiding sort of speaks to the underlying thread, I think, through the book, which is uh finding out ways to preserve dignity when everything around you is so chaotic.
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That was Erin Mowinnie, and this is episode 311 of the Inspired Souls Podcast.
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Welcome to Inspired Souls, the podcast that fuels your passion for running and helps you achieve peak performance with every stride.
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I'm your host, Carolyn Coffin, and each week we'll dive deep into the world of running, bringing you expert insights, inspirational stories, and practical tips to elevate your running game.
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Whether you're a seasoned marathoner or just lacing up your first pair of running shoes, we'll explore the art and science of running and help to unlock your true potential.
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So let's lace up and get inspired.
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Today I am very excited to welcome Erin Malinnie back to the show.
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Erin is a 30-year-old elite Canadian distance runner, a 229 marathoner, a former ICU nurse, and now an author.
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Erin was on the show back in 2025 after finishing third at the Canadian 10K Championships in Ottawa.
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And if you listen to that episode, you know she is hilarious, which is perhaps not what you'd expect from someone whose new book is about working in an ICU during the COVID-19 pandemic in her mid-20s, caring for people who were dying at a time when the world felt like it was falling apart.
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Her book is called If I'm Ever in a Coma, Braid My Hair.
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And it's a deeply personal reflection on grief, humanity, and what it means to care for others without losing yourself in the process.
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And while the subject matter is incredibly heavy, Erin's humor is still very much present because sometimes, even in the darkest moments, laughter is how we get through.
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Today we talk about the experiences that inspired her to write this book, the patience and moments that have stayed with her, and why she chose to leave much of her identity as an elite runner off the page.
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So without further delay, please enjoy my conversation with Erin Moinney.
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Okay, well, I am here with 243 Marathoner Elise Jilliver and her fabulous coach, Jeff Cunningham.
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Uh, welcome back to the podcast, YouTube.
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It feels good to be back.
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I'm legit the third most fabulous person on this podcast right now.
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So let's not get it twisted, guys.
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Nothing wrong with the bronze medal.
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Hey.
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You know what?
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You know what?
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That's true.
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That's true.
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Also, I'm in last, but that's okay.
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All right.
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Well, we are gonna get into this race.
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I want to hear every single detail, but before we get going, uh, Elise, how are you feeling about the race?
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How are you feeling right now?
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We're what three days removed from Chicago?
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And we saw you walking on video here just a little bit ago, and it's not perfect, but it is better from what I can tell.
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Yeah.
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I think fleshing out the legs yesterday sincerely helped, but I can't say that I've ever had a marathon like this one.
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Jeff is my math whiz and can calculate sodium like no other, but I think it is not shocking that I did not get enough sodium in that race.
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And like I think the quads are feeling it the most.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Well, uh, we're gonna need to hear more about that sodium plan.
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But um, Jeff, what are your kind of post-race reflections?
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Um, Elise ran a what, one minute, a little over one minute personal best?
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Over a one-minute personal best in temperatures that were uh 25 to 30 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than when she ran her prior personal best.
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So we're talking about a completely different race, especially since the courses that she ran on were very similar.
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Uh, at least your PR was at Houston, right?
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So we're talking about flat urban courses, you know, um, with lots of concrete, you know, streets.
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And so we're looking at things that are pretty similar.
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Uh, but you know, on a day when there was a lot of carnage, on a day when there was a whole lot of people that sort of, you know, kind of said, Yeah, well, you know, um uh the best, the best made, what is it, best laid uh plants of mice and men, right?
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Um, um, she she she performed really brilliantly.
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Yeah, she did.
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But we're so before we get into it, we're rewinding the clock just a little bit.
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So yeah, we've alluded, you had the 244 30 something personal best.
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Yeah, 38.
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It's 38 in Houston, and that was what early 2025?
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Early, yeah.
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January.
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Then it was later that year, I think that the two of you first began working together after Toronto, and I forget, was that 246 or something?
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246.
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I think I think actually, I think it was 247, maybe 248.
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That was a really tough race for me in Toronto.
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Well, that was hot, like that was really hot.
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I remember I had some athletes there that day.
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But Jeff, what what did you see in her when she first reached out?
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What made you think, like, oh yeah, I know that there's more to come for this athlete?
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Uh, grit, uh, zany personality, and massive, massively high uh uh uh ceiling, lots of untapped potential.
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But um just really, really zany and funny and self-deprecating in a way that just makes me just would crack me up even before we ever actually formally had a conversation.
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But then I would see uh the quality of the races that she was running.
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And you know, and then when she reached out and says, Hey, you know, I'm thinking about, you know, um uh doing this, my thought process was, yeah, man, um, this is this is this is gonna be really good.
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That was amazing.
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And then maybe Elise, back to you for what what do you think what made you decide that you wanted to work with Jeff?
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Like, what were you hoping that he could help you accomplish?
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Well, like none other than his zany personality.
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I was like, this could go two ways, right?
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And I'm gonna be positive here and say two zany personalities together equals greatness.
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So let's go.
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Lfg, but I won't say this on a podcast on PG.
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I've got a child in the house here, but no, okay.
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Well, I like oh, sorry, I was just like, at a time I needed some serious energy, I knew exactly where to find it.
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay, well, take us back then to your it's late 2025, maybe early 26 that you start working together.
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Um, and the first race you decided to put on your calendar was the McCurdy Micro Marathon in March.
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Uh, what happened?
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What was going through your head when you realized I think that wasn't the day that you were hoping for?
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So maybe um talk about why you put that one on your calendar and then what was going on uh leading up to that race day.
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I mean, I think this is a Jeff race.
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It's so neat to have a coach who also coaches other athletes of such high caliber and you don't know them, but you feel like you know them.
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And it's definitely a positive experience to have a race where you know you're going to like meet these people that you've been speaking to on the internet for so long.
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And not to mention one of my best friends, Sarah Jarvis, Health and Wellness, was going.
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So we had this like incredible, well, as incredible as a winter build in Canada can be together.
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Um, we lived at those Planet Fitness treadmills and we hustled.
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And speed workouts on a treadmill are no fun.
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Speed workouts by Jeff Cunningham are also, you know, no, deep down they're really fun, but it was it was different learning for us, and it was nice to have somebody like through that process with.
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And I think we just built each other up.
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Um, I know the weekend of like we had so many Instagram stories out there.
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She's funnier than me.
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So they they left us all howling, but it was such a positive experience, and it was so great for me because she raced the day before me.
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And there's just like something about seeing somebody that you love so much, like succeed.
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And she also had just been like in the making for this huge PV and like huge PV, like 21-minute PV.
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Like it was just so incredible to see, and I truly felt like I was like, this is it, like this is our time to shine.
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Um, I'm no stranger to illness.
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I know in our last podcast together before Houston, four days, 14 days out, I had COVID, and then nine days out I had gastro that took me out for two days.
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So uh this race, I was real lucky and ended up with a sinus infection that required like puffers, nasal sprays, and two antibiotics.
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So going into this race, I actually truly felt really good.
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My last dose of antibiotics finished on the Friday, and I was racing the Sunday.
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And it was so weird because I've never had a marathon that I chalked it up to nerves, but usually I don't get super, super nervous.
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But I was up the entire night.
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I woke up with like a body battery on my watch of like 38, like no sleep, freaking out.
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And like I had Sarah there and my husband, like just trying to calm me down.
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But I'm like, something is just not right.
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But I'm like, whatever, like put it away.
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We're going, we're going hard.
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You know, saw Jeff like before the race.
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I was like, this is good.
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Like he's here, like my people are here.
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Like, this is gonna be good.
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It's freezing, but it's gonna be good.
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And I just remember starting that race with two of his athletes, Sammy and Haley, who are wonderful ladies, and we paced together.
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And I truly have never felt like more in sync.
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Like my bottles were going down, my my fuel was going down.
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I had these girls to run with, and then it was like magic, like 11 miles hit, and I looked at my watch and my heart rate was like 210.
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And I was like, oh, it's just like it's just my watch, it's fine.
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And then like I kind of like started like feeling my pulse, like any psycho nurse would.
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And I was like, no, my pulse is really this high.
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And I held on for like another like 0.9 miles, and I was like, something's not right, and like at the end of the day, like our health is just not worth it.
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And I think we can all attest to like we know ourselves, especially in this sport.
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And it was one of the hardest decisions I have to make.
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I remember just holding on until I could see Jeff and just breaking down, but I was like, I can't do it, like something is just not right.
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And um, I ended up coming back home and I ended up needing to go on antibiotics again.
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So I was really happy with the choice I made, but it's stung in the moment.
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But this is the marathon.
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There's a lot of controllables you cannot control, right?
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So sorry, controllables you can control, uncontrollables you cannot control.
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And this was one of them.
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And so I was hoping to take this as like a learning experience and try to flip with a marathon a month later, but that also did not go according to plan.
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Well, we'll we'll get there.
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We'll get there, but I want to hear the coach's perspective on this.
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So you take on a new athlete, Jeff.
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This is your first build with her.
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Um, talk to me about the build because I know sometimes when you take on new athletes that have come from elsewhere or whatever, you want to look back at their training.
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What have they done?
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Okay, well, where are the gaps?
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What am I gonna throw at this person that's gonna really like move the needle here?
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Um, what were those things for Elise?
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Do you remember?
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Yeah, well, when I talked to Elise, um, um, her magic power is her passion for running and her ability to run some volume, right?
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Um, Elise is not one of these people where I had to like coax into the idea of hitting some volume.
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And kudos to uh uh people who live in really, really cold client uh climates because you guys are having to do it um indoors all winter.
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And you know, it's funny because you train a system that actually you really need to use a lot during marathon.
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And it's the it's the psychological system of being able to tolerate monotony and not sort of push back against it and revolt against it.
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Because if you did that, you literally just wouldn't run between, you know, uh uh uh mid-November in Canada and in April.
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You just wouldn't run, right?
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Well, I I say all Canada.
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And Canada's a really big place.
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Vancouver, you can run outside most of the year, right?
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But uh you guys, it's tough.
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So I thought to myself, okay, she can handle volume, she can handle monotony.
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Um, she's got a massive amount of just natural high anaerobic ability because when we started talking about some of the workouts she was doing, um I was really heartened that that at least that you were you ran as fast as you did on some of the workouts that you did.
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One of the gaps was doing um faster, uh, I think harder interval training.
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And I think that that is pretty typical of people who didn't have a really long um scholastic and then university career where they were running 5,000, 10,000 meters steeplechase, right?
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1,500 meter races on the track, where that's sort of like sort of bread and butter types of things that you that you go through as an uh 18, 19, 21-year-old uh budding distance star.
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And so um, at least a lot like a lot of people who can come to me who are already fairly credentialed.
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I mean, she ran 244.
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I mean, that's elite, uh uh, frankly, by uh uh almost any standard other than she's silly arbitrary things that we have, like the silly US, you know, Olympic trials qualifying standards and stuff like that.
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So I thought this is where we got to make uh the progress.
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And I think that, Elise, you would agree that that was probably the thing that was the most difficult that went so much better in this Chicago block.
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Um, and a lot of it was the neck up.
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A lot of it was, you know, um, I didn't get the adjectives to describe the workouts from Elise that were as dramatic and over the top in the Chicago build as they were in the first build.
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Things like terrifying, um, um horrifying, um, you know, all of these really over-the-top things that I usually reserve for flesh eating, you know, uh viruses and Ebola, right?
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And um, as a medical professional, um, Elise uh uh would get a good laugh when I would start talking about Ebola and flesh eating viruses.
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But uh I think that was a challenge.
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But here's the cool thing.
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We got to McCurdy and I knew it was gonna be tough because when you were as deathly ill as she was, she's really damn playing downplaying how ill she was even six days before McCurdy, right?
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Um I knew it was gonna be tough, right?
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And it turned out that it was even tougher than even what I had feared.
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But then having to go back on another round of antibiotics told me that it was just um you were you you were feeling good enough to run easy, but not good enough to race at you know at 615 pace a mile, right?
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Yeah.
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Um uh or what is that 350 what 353, 354 a K, right?
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For or 355 a K, right, for 42 kilometers.
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Yeah, right.
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Yeah.
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But at least you learn, you got on Coach Jeff's Crazy Train, right?
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And you ended up moving into the first class car, okay, and uh uh and you have front row seats on the on the on the crazy train express, right?
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And so you were good.
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And so the funny thing is is we gained massive fitness, you learn how to do the training.
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Um, and not that you had to, I don't need to teach you, I'm not like the grand poo-bop of marathoning, but you were able to adjust to my style of training.
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That's a fairer way of putting it.
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And I thought to myself, she is about to become one of the best marathoners.
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Um, um, you already were, but even much higher as far as you know, uh uh in Canada, right?
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Um, and so um we walked out of that park in um White Plains, New York, just outside of White Plains, New York, right?
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And I thought to myself, well, that was shitty, right?
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Not your effort, not your dedication, not your desire, and all that.
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It was just a shitty experience.
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As a coach, you take that on too, and you're just like, shit, man, you know, she was really fit, and uh, we don't really know if it was one of your kids or somebody at the hospital, but you caught something nasty from somebody.
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Some some dirty person.
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Holly.
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And I think that's the hardest thing because when you take on a new athlete as a coach, like I want to hear about it from the coach and the athlete perspective.
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It's like you take on a new athlete, or or you're an athlete and you you get a new coach and you have all these like huge hopes and dreams and everything, and the first time isn't like a knockout of the park.
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Like, I want to hear about that side of it from both of your perspectives.
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I mean, from my perspective, I'm like, she was sick, period.
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End of story, whatever.
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But I just know that a lot of times it, there's just more like emotions when you're the people in it.
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Because as a coach, you're like, shoot, was it something I did?
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And you're going back through all the training and like, what did I give her something wrong or whatever?
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And then as the athlete, you're like, oh my god, did I make the right decision?
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So she coaches.
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So I want to hear, I I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I do want to hear about that um day from both of your perspectives.
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Like, where was your head at with uh having to pull out?
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It's so tough if you have to DNF.
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I mean, it's funny because I look back and I'm like, when I did it, I was like, I was just certain.
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Like, um, I just am very stubborn person and I will push to the ends of the earth, but I also can appreciate like when I just can't anymore.
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So, like pulling out was awful because you have the emotions.
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I'm just like, I just wanted to come here and I wanted to like show him like what I could do.
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But you also just I think we all just have to learn to accept that again, like the marathon is a beast, and there's a lot of things you can control, but there's also a lot of things you can't control.
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And as a human, I like it's no, it's it's everybody knows, everybody that knows me, like I love running.
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Like I adore it.
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Like I will wake up at 4 a.m.
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I will make my schedule work, but I also like will be a mom first.
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And I have three kids at home, and like I do work, like I'm a nurse.
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So running will always be so huge to me.
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But there's all like there's so many other important things.
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So at the end of the day, I was like, I have to just keep that in the back of my mind.
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Like, this is one race.
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And I think also because I'm a stubborn person, like I knew, like, there was no doubt in my mind about Jeff.
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Like, I knew we were gonna go on and do bigger and better things.
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And I definitely rode the roller coaster on the way home.
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Like it was just so fun and exciting to be so happy for my friend, and then it would kind of hit like, oh my god, I didn't even finish the race for the like for the first time.
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But it's just hard to be super upset.
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So just taking the next few days, and I know it sounds awful, but it was almost a bit of a relief to going to the doctors and like having to go back on antibiotics.
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I was like, okay, like there's a reason.
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So like we're just gonna get back up on the horse.
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It's unfortunate that it happened, but there's no use dwelling on it, right?
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Um, and I knew in that time, like Jeff's style is is exactly what I need.
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Like, I love the high mileage.
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I love one, I've learned, sorry, Jeff, learned to love the one big speed a week.
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Trying to like exactly this this build, I'm like, don't let it be known that you're super anxious to do the big speed, but you feel so accomplished when you do it, and it's just nice knowing it's coming.
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He's going to prescribe me something that's going to be hard, but he knows I can do.
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And if he knows I can do it, then I know I can do it.
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So answer there.
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There were there was nothing.
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It was just, what are we gonna do next?
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How are we gonna fix this?
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Yes, and we'll put a pin on what came next.
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But Jeff, I want to hear that from your uh perspective.
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Like she DNFs, we we know the reason, or maybe we didn't know right away.
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Like, how are where's your head at uh as a coach?
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Um, I was being really, really annoying, logical guy, uh um, and probably a little bit less uh um I'm comforting maybe than I should have been, maybe, or maybe you didn't interpret it that way.
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But my uh my reaction was literally the same as yours, Carolyn, which was you were sick.
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End of story, put it here at the end of the sentence.
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Yeah.
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You weren't gonna be able to physically perform here today in retrospect.
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We both went in with some um with some hope.
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Um, but hope and um and and and a whole lot of maybes and a whole lot of of uh of wishful thinking was literally about 75 to 80 percent of my coaching plan, which is about 65 to 70 percent more than I like to be at at the start of every marathon.
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And so I was um um, you know, I was not surprised, right?
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At least when you had to drop, because I knew how really horrific you were feeling even 72 hours prior um to the race.
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Uh, but you know, you are hard on yourself and you are um a stubborn mule, right?
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And it's one of these things where you uh you you you gave yourself much less grace in the moments in uh the day or two after that than I gave you.
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Um and it makes me happy that the doctor freed you up to give yourself that grace where he just kind of sat you down and said, Listen here, kid, you're really freaking sick.
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Here's some more whore steroids and some antibiotics, you know.
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And then you're like, Okay.
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Yeah.
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You know, but you learn to train at such a high level.
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Okay.
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Uh, that uh that really, really boded well in my mind on a golf over basis, because I thought she just got the cheat code to the video game and unlocked a whole bunch of different levels that were gonna end up netting some really positive results uh uh down the line.
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So I was walked out super optimistic, even though I was bummed in the moment.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And it's that's the tricky thing.
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Like again, from an athlete's perspective and a coach's perspective, is like to hold those two things together.
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I just think that's like the dance that we're doing all the time.
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But yes, we always after in the aftermath of a good race, a bad race, a neutral race, it's like, what's next?
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What's next?
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And so you two decided, or I don't know whose decision.
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I need to hear about the decision to put the St.
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Lawrence marathon in Cornwall on the calendar one month later.
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You can correct me if I'm wrong, Jeff, but I would 99% say it was me.
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Like, I probably didn't even give you a say.
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It was, it was what it was was we said, you're super, super fit.
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Um we you only ran 11 or 12 miles, uh maybe 13, 14 miles.
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So basically, no, it was like 11.97.
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It was, it was, I mean, other than the quote long run that was on your schedule eight days prior to McCurdy, you had not done a long run that was that short since since probably um to say maybe four weeks after Toronto back in like November.
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So you literally, from a leg standpoint and a microfiber tear standpoint in your connective tissue in your fascia, your leg, your legs weren't beat up.
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And so we said, listen, man, we get this uh we get this uh this infection cleared.
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Okay, we get ourselves on a decent course.
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Um even with uh uh uh mediocrely just halfway decent weather, we're probably gonna run, I mean, we we're probably gonna run worst case scenario, maybe a 245, 246, 247 marathon, even on a kind of a mediocre day.
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So that was our thought process, right?
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Awesome.
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And and I think that there's, I mean, um, I'm gonna I'm not gonna lie and say the thought didn't cross my mind when I DNF'd the marathon project in December to like try to stag me a bib for Houston, you know, a few weeks later, right?
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It's it's that impulse of like I didn't even beat myself up that much.
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I was conditioned for this, whatever happened, happened.
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And like, let's go use this fitness.
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So I totally get that, totally respect that.
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Um, Elise, um, what what was it like for you?
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Like you, I I can't remember what you ran that day.
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Was it 247 or two?
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You won the race.
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Like is this in Cornwall?
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Yeah.
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No, we we wish it was 247.
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Well, what was it?
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It was it was 253, amazing time, like an in an incredible time.
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Probably one of the races I'm truly most proud of because like mile two, I brought a gel, I brought the gel up that I had taken before the start, and I was like, I'm done.
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Like I can be done right now, but I was not gonna let myself uh do it again.
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So I was like, giddy up.
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Like we're gonna And I I actually think that's important to touch on though, because um, as any athlete knows, like the DNF can become a bit of a habit.
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Like if you do it once, it becomes easy to do it again.
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And I think even if the sole goal was just breaking the DNF habit, like finishing what we started, that there's value in that.
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I'd be curious to hear both of your perspectives there.
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Yeah, I mean, I think that just to get the bugaboo off your back, I mean, you really did not want to DNF two races in a row.
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Uh, because, you know, once is an outlier, twice is a trend, right?
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And from a physical standpoint, there was no actual uh a mandate, no actual um sort of scientific safety, health-related need to drop out.
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You were gonna be able to go and jog 26 miles, no problem at all.
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Um, two things that we didn't um count on um was that your illness lingered longer than we even possibly thought that it would.
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It was really stubborn in the weeks after McCurdy, and you really only had about 14 days of healthy running prior to that race.
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And then unfortunately, just because it's you know, it's mid-November in southeastern Canada, we got a wind that was blowing from east to west, and the course went from west to east.
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And so Elise ran about 80% of the race either into a glancing or a full-on headwind for literally the whole race.
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Um, and for anybody who's ever done any amount of running, you know that in a marathon that's that's I think I saw some videos from that day, and I could just hear the wind in all the videos.
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Um, but so did it feel to you like was it the redemption that you were hoping for?
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Like you did win the race, like I said, you didn't DNF, like these are all positive things, or were you still disappointed?
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Um it's funny because I remember crossing the finish line and I was just elated.
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Um, my husband was there.
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Uh Sarah came down.
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She left at 4 a.m.
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with us to get there to Cornwall.
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Um, I had like two girlfriends that were running the half, Shane and Erica, and like and Jody, my other friend, came down to cheer.
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Like there were so many people, my friend Courtney.
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I'm trying to remember everybody now.
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Sorry, but so many incredible friends that were there.
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And in the moment, I think it was.
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It was like, it was like that celebration of finishing because I just always want to be transparent that like running the marathon is just so hard.
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And one thing Jeff has been so excellent with me that I've learned so much in the past is like how important the recovery is.
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And it's kind of like he said, after I had I went back on antibiotics, I think maybe I just I think sometimes we just underestimate or like expect more from our bodies.
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And it was, it was frightening to see my heart rate that high.
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Like it's never been that high.
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And it was kind of the first time I think in running I've ever been like, oh wow, like something bad could have happened if I hadn't listened to my body.
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So I was very cautious coming back to running.
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Like I finished my antibiotics.
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Like we did not start up anything crazy on the advice from my like family physician as well as Jeff.
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And um, like we could probably get into this more, but I think it's like it's quite obvious to everybody.
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I went through a period after this race where I just I really needed some time to like gather my thoughts, gather where I was gonna put running like on my totem pole of life, because I think it just slowly crept up over a little bit of time and I was taking for granted like the joy of running.
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And I think that happened in the car.
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Like I said, I felt so much joy after this race.
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Like I finished the race, like so grateful.
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Like 253 is an incredible time.
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It's nothing to be upset about.
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So many people were there.
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And then I remember being in the car with my husband coming home, and like I didn't even expect it, and like the tears started flooding.
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And I think those tears were just not of disappointment, but like knowing how hard I had worked for the past few months, like indoors on treadmills, like just giving it my all and just like not feeling satisfied with the outcome.
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But that's where I've taken the time in this sport to realize like sometimes we have to take ownership and appreciate what we've done, despite what it may look like to any other people, because when you really sit down and think about what every single marathoner puts into a block, puts out to finish a race, like there's just no words for it, right?
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But I think just numbers have become such a big important factor to so many as it should.
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Like we all have goals, but man, like to look back and what we do sometimes, it's insane.
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It is, it really is.
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And I mean, I I guess, Jeff, I wanted to talk, uh, just touch on this with you about the like the redemption marathon, just in general, like putting something on like three to four weeks later.
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Like, just what are your global thoughts on it?
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Because it can work out and it it does work out sometimes.
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I actually just released a an episode on my podcast this week with Erin Mulinny, 229 Canadian Marathoner, and she had to DNF the the Marathon project for very similar reasons that you did, and then she turned around and ran 229 in Houston.
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It can work out, but Jeff, when you see so just global thoughts on the redemption marathon, but then when you see it not work out well the way that you'd hoped or the way you knew she was fit for twice in a row, where do you go from there as a as a duo?
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Um the 253 was really good when you contextualize it.
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Um, into a headwind, two weeks of healthy running in the last month, right?
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In the last six weeks, actually.
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There was four weeks of illness and two weeks of health into a cold headwind with literally nobody to run with the entire race.
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I saw videos, and there was like a man maybe 200 meters ahead of her, and then another guy that was two or three hundred meters behind her.
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And so basically ran a solo 26.2, 42.2k time trial into a headwind and run a 253.
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Um the emotional feeling of winning a race, finishing a race, not having to dropout, being there with your family, having the SJHW that's Sarah Jarter's health and wellness, for those who don't know, right?
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:49.599
Um, there.
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It was it was really redemptive and it was good.
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But it was not, it was not, and of course, Odyssey knew this.
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It was not a perfect day where she was able to actually sort of show off on the big stage all this fitness, this fun new toy that she had gone and bought herself on those uh purple treadmills in Planet Fitness in February, right?
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.799
And so we knew that we had big things to come.
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:16.000
Yes, for sure.
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:16.400
Okay.
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Um, so you decide together to kind of take a little bit of a hard reset after that, if I'm not mistaken, because I think I saw you, Elise, in Ottawa a month later, pacing friends in the 10K, the half marathon.
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So, how intentional was that decision to just kind of have a little fun, reclaim the joy of running, like you spoke about?
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:43.039
Oh, Jeff, I can't even remember when we talked about this.
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Like, I had had that bib for a little bit of time.
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So I think it was just more a decision of like, what am I gonna do?
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And completely transparent, I was back and forth for a little bit.
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I'm like, maybe, maybe what I need is to go out and blast a 10K, but blasting a 10K is not not my ideal of uh fun or redemption.
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And I think that's when I made the conscious decision by myself.
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I was like, I personally need to find the join it again.
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I like when I was thinking about running the 10K, like I probably had beads of sweat coming down my face.
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I'm like, this is not the runner I am.
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Like I'm pretty, I can contain the nerves.
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And I was like, this isn't gonna bode me well.
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It hasn't boded me well for like a few times in a row.
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So let's let's do this.
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And I got to pace my cousin, who was not even one year postpartum with twins, and I was sweating at the end.
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Like she is a phenomenal runner.
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And then my best girlfriend from work, like I haven't had that much fun in forever pacing the half.
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We still we still laugh about it today.
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Like it was just it was joy for both of us.
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And I think that honestly might have been my turning point into like getting back into the getting back on the saddle.
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Yeah.
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:05.759
And so, Eddie, so when did Chicago come on the radar?
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And when did you have to start training for it?
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.039
Because um, that was end of May, right?
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The Ottawa race.
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:16.079
So, how much time did you have before you're back into another marathon block?
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When did we do Chicago?
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I knew about from like last October because I did I signed up for the high performance program, and you do find out relevant, I think like within the week of it.
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:30.079
Maybe I'm lying, maybe it's not that soon, but yeah, it was it was early.
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:37.599
So I was very excited for I I want to say by the time we got to the first week in July, we we were in our marathon build.
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:38.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.639
So I'm always careful to say that because you know I always put the training sort of on a continuum.
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.519
I mean, there's still like hard start to marathon training.
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You don't go from running, you know, you know, a 60, 60k a week, you know, and you know, and playing tiddly winks to suddenly going and running 120 kilometers a week.
00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:58.239
I mean, we don't do it that way.
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:01.199
So it was just sort of a steady, fun little build.
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:07.840
Um, in June, threw in some Fartlec, just started ramping up a little bit of volume.
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:12.159
Um, you know, I kept saying, hey, we have the gift of time, we have the gift of time.
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:24.000
Not to mention the fact when you make a whole lot of deposits in your fitness bank account, you just you don't, you don't, you don't show up bankrupt at the start of the next block, right?
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:28.079
Each one of these training blocks is not in a silo separate and apart.
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I mean, there is ebb and flow to it.
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I mean, it's kind of like the stock market, it's gonna go a little bit like this.
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:49.599
But generally speaking, if you stack blocks of training, really good blocks of training, and you're healthy and you're young, um, you're going to generally have an upward trajectory in your fitness over a period of years from the bottom left to the top right.
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And so we started at a spot in July that was far different than where Elise and I started in December and in January going into uh the winter last year prior to McCurdy.
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:15.199
So I was really um at peace and really at ease in the way I was able to script the workouts, not to mention the fact there were no surprises.
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.360
I at least I did not give you anything that surprised you.
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:20.400
Nothing.
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:28.719
Every single week, it was like a damn surprise in February and early March for this kid, right?
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:34.400
But by the time we got to July or September, she was like, Oh, I recognize this.
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:46.400
In fact, in fact, the cool thing was we now amassed enough data where we were able to start playing the comparison game on, hey, the last time you did a workout of this genre, right?
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:49.920
Forgive the expression, but I like the word genre.
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.599
It makes me sound higher IQ than my accent would make people believe.
00:36:53.840 --> 00:37:00.239
Um, we were able to go, okay, you're you're freaking rocking this one, man.
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:00.559
Yeah.
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:09.679
And I'm I'm gonna talk about one workout where I was like, holy shaitaki mushrooms.
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:12.639
We we we we're in good shape here.
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:14.480
I'll talk about that one in a minute.
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:15.039
Okay.
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:16.400
Oh, I can't wait for that.
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:26.320
But I I wanted to pause on your point about, especially at the level that you're running at Elise, but I think this is true for all of us as runners, is we're just kind of always training.
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:30.639
Like the training ebbs and flows and looks a little bit different and the mileage might look a bit different.
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:43.199
But anyone who's like, yeah, I just sit on the couch from November to March is probably not, you know, you know, they're probably not getting the results that you would expect at your level, right?
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:44.239
Like we're always running.
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:45.840
So that's that's one thing.
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:55.280
But then I wonder as a coach, when you had done really, it sounds like really awesome training up to McCurdy.
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:57.679
We just had unfortunate luck with health.
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:02.639
How how much of you as a coach is like, I want to give her like new stuff or different stuff or whatever?
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.760
Or how much are you just like, if it ain't broke, don't fix it?
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:08.079
Like, I'm just gonna give her the same kind of stuff again.
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:09.199
She's already used to it.
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:12.639
There's not that adjustment to the new training system.
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:21.039
Um, what was different, or what kind of did you feel needed to change um from the previous marathon build, if anything at all?
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:22.400
Nothing.
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:22.880
Yeah.
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:28.239
That's why I think she was that brilliant um in such a quick study, February and March.
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.480
My answer was um nothing.
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:47.199
And anybody who I've coached for a long time knows that um redundancies and being really, really good at a few things and just investing um about a decade of your life in this is how you get better.
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:49.599
Um and even then, I it could be more.
00:38:49.760 --> 00:39:18.320
But, you know, you know, when you're you know, when you're Elise's age and she's still in her 30s, you know, I mean, we've we've we've got five, six years of of PRs coming down the pike, maybe more, you know, in the because you know, Elise wasn't running 140k a week when she was 19 years old, like some of these uh university, you know, um kids who are running at golf or you know, some of the other big Canadian heavyweight, right, in in track and field, right?
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:24.559
Um uh and so what I'm looking at here is that I'm kind of boring.
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:27.679
And one of my problems is my limited intellect.
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:29.840
So I lack creativity.
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:37.599
And so I kind of like doing, you know, 12 times a thousand meters, much to much to um Elisa's horror, you know.
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:42.000
I kind of like assigning 14 or 15 times 800 meters.
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:46.960
Um, I might have assigned 16, 15 times 600 meters one time, right?
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:50.639
Um, I'm just I'm just not I'm just not real creative.
00:39:50.719 --> 00:40:04.960
And I I I think that, I think that, and I don't want to get overly philosophical here, we have artificially induced attention deficit disorder culturally in the especially in the West.
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:05.679
Okay.
00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:13.119
We have Instagram and Insta Mac and Face page and all this other crap that we get on and we're we're doom scrolling all that deal.
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:19.440
And but the problem is, is we are the same organisms that we were when Roger Bannister broke the four-minute mile in 1952.
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:19.840
Yep.
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:20.320
Okay.
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:30.719
And for you old heads out there, that's probably that's like that's like like 15, 20 years between the before the ENIAC and the Univac existed, let alone the internet, right?
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:32.719
So we're the same physical organisms.
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:36.159
I mean, homeless sapiens are about 250,000 years old.
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:36.800
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:51.039
We have the same aerobic uh uh system, the same oxygen delivery system as we had, you know, back when, you know, um back in the Roman era era and in the 1600s, did you know when Columbus sailed the ocean blue?
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:59.039
He had the same aerobic system that uh that Elise has, you know, just we discovered what penicillin is so we don't die of absciss teeth anymore.
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:00.239
Other than that, we're the same.
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:00.719
Yeah.
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:05.360
So we gotta invest in what we evolved with.
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:11.679
We have to invest in monotony, we had to invest in massaging the aerobic system in a way that's physiologic and evidence-based.
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:16.480
And I'm sorry if you want glitter and moan beams and shoot me and all that crap shooting out your ass every day.
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:17.679
I'm probably not your coach.
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:18.239
Yeah.
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:24.480
No, I and I'm thinking back to uh conversations that we've had in the past about like pacing and everything.
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:33.760
You're like, you gotta be bored, like you gotta be bored until 18, 19, 20 miles of the marathon, like boredom is your friend, boredom's a luxury.
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.920
I actually think the same thing is true to your point in training a little bit.
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:49.519
I think sometimes coaches want to just show how how creative we are and like all these crazy workouts and stuff, but it's like, no, just bread and butter, bread and butter compounded over years and decades is the thing.
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:53.519
It is the move as uh distance athletes, right?
00:41:53.760 --> 00:42:06.000
So um, Elise, I'm curious from your vantage point, did anything feel different about this training, or were you just like bring it on, like more thousands, more eight hundreds, more mile repeats?
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:08.480
Or like, yeah, did anything land differently?
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:11.199
Yeah, we did those two mile repeats.
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.599
Jeff was giving me like such kudos, and then I was like, do you not forget?
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:24.400
Like when he when typically, like when you're not like in a marathon block, we still do speeds and he does fart lecks, like he said, but he doesn't assign paces.
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.679
And I'm like, every time I'd be like, So, like, like what pace should I be going?
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.880
Like, numbers, like I need and he'd just be like, just like go by feel.
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:32.639
I'm like, Well, I don't know feel, just give me numbers.
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:33.920
Like, what should my pace be?
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:40.480
And I was probably pretty annoying, but uh no, like I'm like, this trading block felt completely new.
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:43.039
Like, Carolyn, you have it worse than me.
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:58.159
You're a you're in Manitoba, but like as a Canadian runner, too, like this block outside to like what a difference for the soul to be like running outside and hitting these paces outside, like not trying to do like treadmill math, like you know what I mean.
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:06.639
Like, I do know what you mean, and that's actually a really good point that your first build together was throughout the winter, your second build now is throughout the summer.
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:14.400
But Jeff, I want I want your comments on that, and um, possibly that that ties into the workout that you're thinking of, the monster workout.
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:22.480
Um it snowed, I believe, a little bit in Calgary last week, is what Pauly Kunis told me.
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:23.280
I think.
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:23.840
Okay?
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:25.119
That doesn't surprise me.
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:31.920
It is 93 degrees Fahrenheit as I sit here right now, just outside of Austin, Texas.
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:42.559
So I take it for granted that there are about three days a year where it is impossible to run outside in Austin, Texas, America.
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.199
Okay, maybe three, sometimes zero.
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:45.760
Okay.
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.239
And so I think that I that is one part that I would like to revise my comments on.
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:59.679
What did change was the ability to train outside and all of the wonderful um stimuli and all of the wonderful.
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:13.119
Uh uh sort of feedback you get from seeing trees and and and Canadian geese and all the stuff that you see when you're running outside that you don't get when you're on the purple peeper leader uh treadmill there playing down air at Planet Fitness.
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:22.239
So the workouts didn't change, but where you did the workouts, the weather that you did the workouts in, I think really did you a whole lot of psychological good.
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:23.840
At least it really did.
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:25.039
Amen.
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:26.159
Oh my goodness.
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:28.880
Planet Fitness is having a moment.
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:39.119
Uh, just as a very big uh side tangent here, like Vinny Murray is all anybody could talk about going into this Chicago is that he's like done all this stuff at Planet Fitness.
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:41.679
And I think our guy Thomas Knobbs does quite a bit.
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:43.199
I know he does quite a bit of treadmill.
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:48.639
I'm not sure if it's at Planet Fitness, but wow, like we gotta buy some stock in Planet Fitness.
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:50.880
Okay, Jeff, back to the workout.
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:56.960
What was this workout that you gave Elise that you perked up when we were talking about the workout earlier?
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:02.239
Um 15, 16 days before Chicago.
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:04.239
Oh yeah, the monster workout.
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:04.800
Let's hear that.
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.639
And I said we're gonna go and we're gonna run 23 miles, right?
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:14.480
And um a lot, you know, we had a big piece on the front end that was easy.
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:14.800
Okay.
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.280
Then we had a big piece, you know, a little tiny cooldown at the end.
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.000
But listen, listen to these splits.
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:24.719
So he's putting on his glasses, folks.
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:29.599
So miles miles 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11.
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:35.599
She runs 553, 557, 6 flat, 557, 6 flat.
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:36.320
Okay.
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:45.360
Then easy run a 709 mile, and then goes and runs 551, 550 for two miles.
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:54.400
Then easy runs a 720 mile, then goes 552, 557, 550, 544.
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:57.360
Whoa, girl.
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:08.880
And I I I remember I was just stunned and I stood there, and I think it was probably some sort of an expletive-laced, excited thing that's not um um um PG.
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:17.039
Uh, I think I texted her uh on WhatsApp, and in that moment I thought, Katie, bar the door, man.
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:29.599
If we get if we get really, really good weather here in two weeks, um she's in, she's gonna run anywhere from 239.30 to probably 241.30.
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:35.920
Now I'm gonna get to that in a minute about how I know that I was right.
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:36.800
Okay.
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:46.159
Um, based on what went down on Sunday in Chicago when we didn't get the perfect weather, as I think the whole world knows at this point.
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:47.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:47.440
Definitely.
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:48.800
Okay, we'll we'll get there.
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:50.880
But I I've got to turn it over to you, Lisa.
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:51.920
What that workout.
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:57.199
And I know, Jeff, you're a big like 16-day, 16 days out from race gate guy.
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:11.840
Like I said, I'm not the grand poo-baugh of marathon.
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:16.480
I'm just a guy with a bad accent in a pickup truck who's figured some shit out in the last 26 years.
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:16.960
Okay.
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:24.480
But I like the 16, 17 day taper because the three-week tapers sometimes people start feeling really stale.
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:27.519
Yeah, and then they start having a whole lot.
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.880
The gears and the wheels of self-doubt start turning.
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:31.199
Yeah.
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:38.159
God, that is a that's an insidious, almost um, almost metastatic thought process.
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:40.880
And so I try to keep my athletes out of that.
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:41.760
Does that make sense?
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:42.960
No, that makes total sense.
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:48.079
And I think, again, you're probably working with fairly experienced athletes a lot.
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:50.000
I mean, especially Elise, right?
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:52.079
And it's like, yeah, you don't need three weeks.
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:53.360
Like three weeks is too long.
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:56.239
But Elise, what do you remember about that workout?
00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:00.559
Did it did it give you a ton of confidence going in, or how did you leave that workout feeling?
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:07.519
I did, but I probably did like every time I'm like, okay, well, like this was the workout, but like I did have to stop for like a red light here.
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:11.440
And then like I did, I remember I was like, I had to stop to go to the bathroom.
00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:33.039
Like, I quickly stopped for like one minute, and I was like, does that like you know, like I think it just hadn't even hit because it was just like, you know, you train all like you train all these weeks, and I have to say, this is the first block that I've done where like of course we all have moments where it's like, okay, I'm tired, I miss, but like I've been so fired up for this one.
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:44.480
I think again, it's just all stemming back to like finding my joy, like being outside, like just things that like focusing on the things that are working in my favor instead of maybe the things that aren't.
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:49.599
And I think I ran on the treadmill like once since I don't even know when, eh, Jeff.
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:53.599
Like I have made it a priority to be outside and I I just love it.
00:48:53.760 --> 00:49:01.039
And I knew this was gonna be a big workout, but I also knew like this was the last big one, and I've worked this hard and we're gonna give it.
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:10.000
Um, I was lucky enough to run with the Puma 3 project, and the fast R3s have worked very well for me.
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:14.000
I'm not gonna lie, I'm like every time I put those shoes on, I feel like a star.
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:17.280
So you did that whole workout in them?
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:22.079
I yes, I did full, I all four of my big workouts I did in the shoes.
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:25.519
I just wanted to make sure before race day that they were the shoes for me.
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:27.920
Um, so I did all my big workouts in them.
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:31.440
Okay, well, tell us a little bit more about this Puma project.
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:32.960
What an experience.
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.159
Like I will be just forever grateful.
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:42.400
Like to be connected in a community with such like-minded people from all over the world.
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:48.400
Um, I wish I had more time, maybe to be like more, you know, had been maybe more active in the community.
00:49:48.480 --> 00:50:03.599
I tried to attend the nutrition as well as like the mental uh performance components as much as I could uh within my schedule from home, but just feeling so supported and quite honestly like a celebrity.
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:10.880
And it panned out so nicely for me on race day, um, meeting up with some of these other individuals at the lab.
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:16.320
And truthfully, I think I made my most friends like after the race, we all kind of were gathered.
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:19.119
Um, a lot of them were in the high performance program tent.
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:23.920
And we're already a few of us like planning like when we can meet up together again.
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:37.360
So I'm most grateful for the people it brought me, but there's no doubt I'm also just so grateful for all of you know the shoes that they sent me, the kit, because this is a wonderful sport when I will never, never give up.
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:38.960
It's also very expensive.
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:44.880
So every little bit helps and to truly feel like an elite athlete.
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:53.039
There's no doubt that that was a huge contributor, like to myself, to my confidence and like just my overall being.
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:54.239
So yeah, I felt special.
00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:59.039
Okay, so they gave you some gear, some apparel, what else?
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:05.360
Like what and then support, like nutrition, uh mental skills training, that type of thing.
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:07.440
And wasn't there an incentive?
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:14.400
So sorry, wasn't there an incentive if you had run over three minutes faster than your PR or something too?
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:16.639
Like what all what all was involved in a few years?
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:18.000
And it's truly incredible.
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:22.559
And I give the biggest kudos and shout-outs to the individuals that did.
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:27.920
If you beat your PBE by three minutes on race day, they paid out 3,000 US dollars.
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:34.880
Woo! So that was for the first half of my for the first 19 miles of my race, I was getting excited.
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:40.480
It slowly, you know, had to drift from my mind, and that's okay because I'm still grateful for everything else.
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:48.159
But I do know quite a few athletes that did achieve a PB of three minutes, and on a day like Chicago, like they should be so proud.
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:48.880
Yes.
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.719
Okay, we're gonna get to Chicago in one more question.
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:59.360
So far, listening to the two of you, it's like you're on the same page, on the same page, always on the same page.
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:07.360
I'm curious if there were ever times where uh there was some friction or some tension.
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:13.039
Like, come on, I gotta, I gotta ask about any any times where you know maybe you weren't on the same page.
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:14.800
Like two days ago, Jeff.
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:22.159
Well, so the$3,000 thing came up, right?
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:22.960
That's right.
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:29.679
And it came up in the weeks in the in the in the you know, in the 10 days, week and a half prior to the race.
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:40.320
And um um I happened to know that Elise um um and her husband are both um are both employed.
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:40.880
Okay.
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:47.119
And so I said, we're not going into this race, and I'm not gonna let you act like you're destitute.
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:55.360
We're going to run a race that's gonna be reflective of what um Mother Nature hands us on the day.
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:58.800
Please don't act like you're destitute.
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:06.320
And if you need the money that bad, I will mail you a check if you promise to just execute the race plan, right?
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:08.159
Um, if that's the one.
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:10.239
I'm still waiting on the check, by the way.
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:11.840
Oh my God.
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:13.840
Hey, but Elise, it a final lie.
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.239
Is I think that is what I told you.
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:16.960
Isn't it?
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:20.000
Is that what you remember, Elise?
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:21.760
Is this or is this not true?
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:23.920
Like, will it be here by Friday, Jeff?
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:24.960
That's just my question.
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:28.960
Uh yeah, I'll use I'll I'll use Federal Express.
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:38.159
Okay, well, uh, Jeff, you said you thought she was in for shape for 239.30 to 241.30, like something in that range.
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:49.280
And then because I had athletes in Chicago also, that I was like kind of looking at the weather, and the weather was like starting to creep up there, like especially in race week.
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.559
I was like, holy, it's actually gonna be kind of warm.
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:56.480
It kind of progressively got a little bit worse as the days went by.
00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:56.960
Yep.
00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:09.039
So tell us where your thoughts were at in terms of how to counsel her on this day that now is like not as ideal as, say, uh, like a hu the Houston day, right?
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:10.719
Wasn't that like quite chilly?
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:13.920
Like 36, 36 degrees in high start.
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.480
So it was like literally two degrees Celsius at the start of that.
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:19.039
Yeah, which is perfect for us Canadians.
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:20.159
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:27.360
A little windy that day, but it didn't, the wind didn't turn out to be nearly as bad in Houston that day as what people thought it was gonna be once you got out there.
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:32.960
But the reality of it is this you train for 14, 15, 16 weeks.
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:44.639
Um, even if you're not in, quote, you know, cringy air quotes a marathon block for all 16 weeks, you have at least 16 to 20, sometimes 25 weeks between marathons, right?
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:58.800
And so the problem is when you have that much of an investment in something, you you develop um a psychological marriage to what it is that you want to get done on that day.
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:08.639
And um, I think that the inability to go out and race one all out and then come back and race another one all out 14 days later or 21 days later, right?
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:12.079
Unless your name is CJ Alberts, and like nobody does that, right?
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:16.079
Um, makes us tend to get married and stick to our guns.
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:28.159
And suddenly we become a little bit resistant to accepting what is, and we want to be further invested in what we wish was, right?
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:37.760
And so I I I I I talked to Elise before the race, and I said, listen, man, um the temperature is gonna be about 61 degrees Fahrenheit at the start.
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:45.199
We're gonna get a 57 um uh degree, 58 degree, maybe 60 degree dew point.
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:48.800
We're gonna get a seven to eight seconds per mile.
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:59.440
I forgive me, all of you uh Canadian folks, um, we're looking at about five seconds per kilometer, four and a half, five seconds per K adjustment based on temperature and dew point.
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:03.039
This is not uh Jeff on meteorology.
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:04.639
This is not me making stuff up.
00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:10.000
I simply used what the scientific calculators were telling me, developed by people far smarter than I.
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:14.000
But yeah, you want to know what that's that's great, right?
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:24.800
Um, even when you tell somebody you can't dock, you know, because of gravity, they want to be like, well, gravity ain't gonna affect me when I want to do it, when I want to do it, right?
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:35.840
And so it was that little push pull, little push pull where, you know, and and Elisa's response was, yeah, I you're you're right, and I'm listening to you, but just understand this is really hard for me, right?
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:43.119
Because we knew Elise and I knew that she was in 241 shape, okay.
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:50.320
We knew it coming in down to 239 because keep in mind 605 pace is 239.
00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:54.639
She averaged 557, 556, right?
00:56:54.960 --> 00:57:00.800
For 12 miles, okay, 12, not 11, 12 miles of that last long run.
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:03.280
And it wasn't very hard for her.
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:06.159
As you can see, the 544 last fast mile.
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:15.519
She she we had some gas in the tank, and so it was very justifiable to try to run 240, 241 flat, very, very, very okay.
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:17.119
It's gonna be a little warm.
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:21.119
And I was like, oh, coach has the weeb jeebies here, you know.
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:23.199
And this is the never-ending.
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:30.320
I mean, I cannot tell you how many times I've had this conversation, like as a coach, as an athlete, because you're very right.
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:33.360
We get married to like, I want to hit this goal.
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:39.039
We usually, a lot of people will decide their goal like before the block even begins.
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:40.559
Like, I this number sounds great.
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:41.440
I want to run this.
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:43.599
This is like a cool milestone, whatever.
00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:46.480
I totally get it as an athlete.
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:49.039
Um, so Elise, what happened?
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:53.840
Like, take us to that moment where you're seeing the forecast come in, you're talking to Jeff.
00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:58.320
He's like, I know we're, I know you're in 241 shape, but let's just be a little cautious.
00:57:58.400 --> 00:57:59.679
How does that land for you?
00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:00.719
What do you remember?
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:01.840
It's so hard.
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:05.119
The one word I can think of is coachable.
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:08.239
Because I hope you take this as a compliment, Jeff.
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:14.079
But we both know, like, you are somebody that like I will banter with.
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:16.079
Like, I will, I will challenge you.
00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:23.519
Even though you have 30 years experience and I have two, I'm still gonna think that I know more than you sometimes.
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:26.000
So make no mistake about it.
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:27.519
You are smarter than me.
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:30.239
I mean, that that that's not even up for debate.
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:34.639
But yeah, you guys touched on it perfectly.
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:42.639
It's just like I I tend to not really look at the weather like that much because it, like, again, it's just, I don't know, it's something I can't control.
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.840
And it's just like, you know, potentially gonna stress me out.
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:49.599
And I'm just always like positive, like, oh, maybe that'll feel like this.
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:52.000
And I do like warmer.
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.000
Like, I'm laughing when you're like, oh, like Houston.
00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:55.440
I'm like, I was dying in Houston.
00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:58.320
I had like mitts on, I couldn't open my gels.
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:03.519
Like, in hindsight, like it ended up working well, but I was like, I was miserable for a lot.
00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:09.840
So sometimes when I hear the heat, I'm like, I do recall also telling Jeff, like, don't worry, Jeff, like I can handle the heat.
00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:11.920
Yeah, we'll talk about that later.
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:15.440
But, you know, like I trust him.
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:17.679
I think I we talked about this as well.
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:22.880
I'm like, it's very hard for me because I'm not um, I don't look at my watch a lot.
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:28.719
I think again, that's just that's just a training tactic that keeps me calm and I go by effort.
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:35.920
And I know I've I know in my mind, like at the end of the day, like I've got that mental side and I will I will fight quite hard.
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:40.639
So um I do like we'll talk, like we'll get into this.
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:46.639
Like obviously there there's important times that we should be looking at our watches, but I I took his advice.
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:56.079
I wasn't about to like, you know, not go with it, but I just knew I'm like, I can't write these numbers down on my arm because that's just gonna like I can't write stuff down, it's gonna stress me out.
00:59:56.239 --> 01:00:02.320
But we talked about like look at your watch at the first mile, like see where you're at, like see, you know, see how you feel.
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:05.119
So that was like my game plan going in.
01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:13.119
And I probably underestimated the heat because it did get quite hot, but it didn't get quite hot till later.
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:27.199
So um it's just yeah, like we'll get into it, but I think a lot of a lot of positives came from that race because it shows you what you're capable of until you aren't, but you have to know that you still achieve that, even though that wasn't the final product, right?
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:28.079
Yeah, yeah.
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:30.000
And so take us through the race a little bit.
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:33.760
Like, did you split your watch or or take a peek at mile one?
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:34.480
And what was it?
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:37.119
And this was how did that compare with the plan?
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:39.119
I am not a technology person.
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:40.400
Like, bless my husband.
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:43.840
He figured out how we could put a Spotify playlist on my garment.
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.960
I'm like, oh my god, I can run a race and not like carry my phone.
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:50.159
Like, I've always carried my phone with like six gels.
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:53.199
Like I'm very inefficient, but we found that out.
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:57.760
But like when Jeff said just like, yeah, split the you, I was like, What?
01:00:57.920 --> 01:00:58.800
Like, what button is that?
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:00.800
And I was like, I can't test that out on race day.
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.039
So he when he was like, Yeah, just look at the mile marker.
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:05.039
I'm like, but of course.
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:08.639
Um, and everybody says it 100% true.
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:10.719
Like your watch is all over the place.
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:18.239
Like, I don't look at my watch often, but like within the first mile, I was running a 425 mile, but like just kidding, it was actually 1058.
01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:20.400
But oh look, like we're back to 820.
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:22.960
So like it was helpful to look.
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:25.519
But um I don't know.
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:28.559
I don't know if we call it like an error.
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:36.400
I don't know what we call it, but like I ran to effort at that time because that truthfully that's all I could do in that span of time.
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:50.880
And I felt so, so, so good till mile about 18, and that's when I could start to feel mile 16, I could start to feel my quads, and I was like, ooh, I know what this means.
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:54.559
Um, I did do something out of the ordinary and it worked in my favor.
01:01:54.639 --> 01:02:01.519
I actually started the race with a hydro flask, and I had two cups of like Morton 320 and like Element in there.
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:06.480
So I thank God I did that because it probably at least got me to that point.
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:09.760
But um we learn things with every race, right?
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:12.480
And I definitely haven't done a marathon this hot.
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:17.360
So we we learned a lot, but I do think there's something to be said for effort too.
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:21.360
If you are like a nervous runner like I am, like I don't know, give it a shot.
01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:24.880
It's always worth trying different things, and that's just something that works for me.
01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:27.280
And like I I've said this already.
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:31.280
If you have not run Chicago, like that is one electric race.
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:33.519
Like that crowd is pulling you through.
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:37.039
And one thing I'll say, it was it was so special.
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:56.800
And um, I don't mean this in like any braggy type of way, but as a woman in that race, being just surrounded by men the whole race, like when people see a women like a woman, like they were the first to like call out my bow, like call out my number, and it truly it kept me go kept me going for so long.
01:02:57.039 --> 01:02:58.320
So awesome.
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:05.760
Okay, now Jeff, from my understanding, you weren't there, you were watching at home on the tracker as many of us were.
01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:12.559
Take us uh through your kind of recollection of the race as you start to see this first split didn't come in until 5k.
01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:15.440
I think we got every 5k, we got the halfway split.
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:17.440
Um what are you what are you thinking?
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:18.960
Or are you as nervous as me?
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:30.320
Like I have like however many to the max people I'm following, every single marathon that comes around, I'm just like following 50 people and um I'm just obsessed with seeing the splits come in.
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:42.079
Yeah, I had about 12 people on my tracker, and um, you know, it's one of these things where um um I saw 612 come in for the first 5k split.
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:44.079
Um, our plan was 615.
01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:47.039
That's that's minimal, so you don't worry about that.
01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:54.880
Uh, and then I saw 608 come in um at five miles, and I thought to myself, okay, she's rolling a little quick here.
01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:56.159
Let's be careful.
01:03:56.400 --> 01:04:02.079
Then we saw 610, and I thought, well, maybe she tried to slow back down because that was just a mile 1.2 later.
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:15.840
But then I looked at the next 3.1 miles and she ran 607 pace, and then for the next 3.1 miles, she ran 606 pace, and I thought, oh boy, she's running like 239 high, 240 pace.
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:19.840
And I thought to myself, she's going for the$3,000.
01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:20.480
Right.
01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:29.519
So I called, I called, I called the I called the SJHW and I said, SJ, SJ, she's going for the$3,000.
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:33.440
And SJ's like, yep, think so.
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:36.719
And I'm like, well, we're gonna see how this goes.
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:43.280
Um, I looked here, uh, you were um uh 120-24 at the half marathon.
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:46.960
You were on 240-48 pace at the half, right?
01:04:47.360 --> 01:05:04.239
Um, and uh, but then I saw 612 come in, but then I saw 610 at 15.5 miles, and I thought to myself, holy cannoli, are we, you know, she's really, really ripping into this thing, you know.
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:13.679
But then, like you said, I think what happens is, you know, we have the um actual temperature, but those weather veins and those thermometers are not 24 inches from the pavement.
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:15.039
They're they're they're up higher.
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:18.480
So you're getting the air temperature, but you're not getting what's the real feel.
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:27.360
And in Chicago and other large municipalities, anywhere you are, when the sun is beating down, right, then the pavement is gonna be much warmer than the air.
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:28.400
So you're getting those thermal.
01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:35.119
So the real fuel was 75 up to 80 degrees Fahrenheit by the time you know we got into the late stages of this race.
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:40.719
And I think that that um um probably got a lot of runners just a little bit coming home.
01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:45.280
It just didn't get Sarah because she's so uh, well, you're not Sarah.
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:55.920
It didn't get Sarah because she didn't race, but it didn't get Elise as much as other runners because she's just so supremely fit and um literally tougher than raw meat and nails.
01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:59.599
And so Elise just hung on um in a way that.
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:06.480
Was really, really inspiring for me as a coach, you know, to sort of see, especially sort of the last 12 kilometers, you know.
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:10.480
And I think Chicago's particularly interesting.
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:15.280
I like you make a good point about the yeah, the real feel like closer to the the ground.
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:18.480
Um, but also correct me if I'm wrong.
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:30.800
I ran it in 2024 and I felt like it was kind of more shady in the first part, and then it's like 20 miles, like right when the marathon is like becoming the marathon, it actually kind of opens up and is a bit like exposed.
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:38.400
And so if it is sunny, if it is whatever, any of the elements just compound at a point in the race where the race is just getting hard anyway.
01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:44.320
What did you did you feel that, Elise, at kind of after 20 that it was like sunnier and hotter?
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:49.199
Honestly, I I like now that you say that, I'm like, yeah, yeah.
01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:56.400
Um, but I think by like especially mile 21, 22, I just entered, I don't know what you call it.
01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:58.800
Like it wasn't even so much the pain cave.
01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:04.159
Like my quads were seizing, but not like not to the point that I had to pull over.
01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:06.880
But it's like it's a total mind game.
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:14.880
I don't know if anyone else does this, but like I just think the craziest things, like I'm like, you have five miles left, like you do this in your sleep.
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:15.599
Like, let's go.
01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:16.800
No, that's too hard.
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:17.599
Let's break it down.
01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:22.800
We're gonna do like we're gonna do like two 2.5 miles, and like, so here we go.
01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:25.280
Like, you've done 2.5 miles, like we're just gonna do it.
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:28.159
You're focusing on everybody else, like around you.
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:33.360
But like Jeff said, it's it's so hard when you're feeling that way.
01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:47.679
And I'm like, meanwhile, like I'm still I'm getting passed by people, but I'm also passing people, and it's just such a tough spot in the race because you're feeling the feels, you're feeling the feels for everybody else, but you just you just want to be done.
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:49.280
Yeah, exactly.
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:56.559
And and I think like what Jeff said, it's you did you held on incredibly well.
01:07:56.719 --> 01:08:04.079
Like, I guess you were on that sub 241 through halfway, and then I would call it a fade.
01:08:04.159 --> 01:08:08.639
I wouldn't call it like a blow-up by any stretch of the imagination.
01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:11.679
Well, there was no meltdown, there was no meltdown at all.
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:17.039
Yeah, and but like just that feeling is so tough to to gut through.
01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:18.239
But you did it at the St.
01:08:18.399 --> 01:08:19.199
Lawrence Marathon.
01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:21.439
You did like you have been here before, right?
01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:23.520
Like you know how to close out a race.
01:08:23.600 --> 01:08:27.439
Like that's what makes you so tough and makes you so fun to follow, I think.
01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:35.680
Um, but just overall, how are the both of you sort of reflecting on this race and where you go from here after after this result?
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:38.960
You crossed in 2431.
01:08:39.119 --> 01:08:42.800
So a one minute and seven second personal test.
01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:44.079
Yeah.
01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:46.079
Yeah.
01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:48.479
And listen, here's here, here's the deal.
01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:54.960
You take the um uh the seven to eight second adjustment that I told her we were gonna have to take.
01:08:55.039 --> 01:08:56.960
That's three to three and a half minutes.
01:08:57.119 --> 01:08:57.439
Okay.
01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:08.239
Um, you know, uh uh, so 43, 4331 minus three is 4030, minus three and a half is literally 240 flat.
01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:11.199
So um the assessment was correct.
01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:21.199
Uh uh uh uh uh Elise and I were correct in knowing that she was in 23930 to 24130 shape in that two-minute window.
01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:23.439
That actually empirically is correct.
01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:26.079
If you just science this thing up, right?
01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:43.359
If it had been 40, 45 degrees with the same with the same uh uh single-digit wins that we had, there's no doubt that um um sub 241 happens, um, all things staying the same last Sunday, right?
01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:47.359
Which means she's exactly as fit as we had hoped to get in.
01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:59.439
She's was exactly um as tough, she was exactly as prepared, she was exactly the dogging competitor, the passionate competitor that I knew that she's been since the first day that I coached her.
01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:09.199
Um, Mother Nature obviously has to be accounted for, but that was by a long margin, the greatest race, uh you know, at least you've ever run.
01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:11.199
By a fairly large margin.
01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:12.239
Heck yes.
01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:33.199
And I think like I touched on it earlier, Carolyn, but just when you feel so good doing something, like the way I felt for the first 20 miles, like it's almost just confidence that you can do it, and it's excitement to look to the future because there are also a lot of things that I can improve on, like I can continue to learn on.
01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:38.720
And I love being a forever learner in whatever I do in life, and this is one of them.
01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:45.359
And it's it's so wonderful to finish a race and genuinely be so excited for like what's next to come.
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:50.319
Like, no fear, no, you know, it's just like it's total excitement.
01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:55.760
Well, it sounds like mission accomplished for uh finding the joy in it again.
01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:58.960
Um, I have to think fall marathons for the win.
01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:06.720
I don't know if you're thinking of putting a spring marathon on your calendar, but whoo! Uh spring marathons are hard when we live where we live.
01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:10.000
Um, but um, I'm curious what some of those learnings are.
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:16.479
Like if you had to kind of pluck one or two of them off the top of your head, uh, what did you learn most in this film?
01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:19.680
Oh gosh, so much.
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:22.560
Well, one, like obviously, like it's always fueling.
01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:45.039
I'm always gonna be like the worst fueler, but I think it's like we've done the coldest of cold races in Houston, but like just learning, like even in Canada when we have like those 30 degree days, like I can typically hold well, but I'm like, there's a difference between holding well in a workout or like long, easy miles than a legitimate race.
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So um definitely need to look into especially like myself personally, like electrolytes.
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Like, I think I may I well no, I know I'm a very salty sweater, so I need to find a way to better, you know, keep my quads from seizing and just find better ways.
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Um, but there's fueling's always a good one.
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I feel like nobody is like all the way there with fueling.
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Like anyone that I coach, I'm always like making little tiny increments, like whether it's like the um maybe they've been taking a uh a gel every like 35 minutes.
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It's like, okay, well, we need to get that down to like 30, 25.
01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:29.359
Like there's always just something more that you can do and you can't bite it all off at once.
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I don't find.
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And so every, every time you go at it, it's just like, ooh, we'll we'll try this and we'll just pull this little lever.
01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:46.159
But Jeff, is there anything that comes to mind for you as far as learnings or as you look ahead, what little things you might try next time and what is next?
01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:55.359
Well, you know, from my standpoint, I, you know, would would uh would mirror the assessment that getting better at fueling, but you know, we can always get better at fueling.
01:12:55.439 --> 01:13:02.720
And, you know, the minute you think you have fueling nailed, then you do it the same way the next time, and for some reason things go badly.
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Welcome to the marathon, right?
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But generally speaking, at least is you know, you're a lot better at it now than you were a year ago.
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And at the end of the day, if we can just get a little bit better each block, it's one of the things that's gonna be central to helping get these sort of almost microscopic uh little improvements, because you know, we're done getting 10-minute improvements in the marathon at this point, right?
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Um, but you know, I think just um um, you know, understanding that um every day isn't gonna be perfect, every workout's not gonna feel great when you are a nurse and you've got a family and you've got three kids, and you're dedicated to ensuring that the kids are having a wonderful uh childhood and getting them to the sporting events and getting to the water park and doing all the fun stuff, right?
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Then you've got to really, really be good at time management, get used to the ebb and flow that could impact you from a workout uh here to a uh to an easy run there to even a race, you know, occasionally.
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But that's okay, you know.
01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:12.800
But here's a young lady who was the uh the third Canadian um finisher, right?
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Um at uh the Chicago Marathon, um, ran a PR on a day when PRs did not come easily, even to some of the most elite marathoners, many of whom, several of whom I just dropped out of the race.
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And, you know, to be the 40th woman across the line in a race that had upwards of 15,000, 20,000 women, I would have to go and check and see the exact number.
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Um, that's that's that's remarkable.
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And that's elite by any standard.
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And what you have to understand is that elite humans with elite dedication and elite passion can do elite things, right?
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Um, so we're just gonna keep getting better at this.
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I'm gonna be a better coach.
01:14:52.720 --> 01:14:54.079
She's gonna be a better runner.
01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:57.760
She challenges me in the zaniest, most funny ways, right?
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Um, when uh uh when Elise, when you said that, oh my God, I, you know, I I you're not gonna be, I just had the craziest things coming to my mind.
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And I'm like, you know, there's a few things that I find difficult to believe in life, but one of the easiest things for me to believe is that Elise thought something crazy.
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That's the one thing that I've learned in the last year, right?
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I'm always gonna be on my toes and always laughing.
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It's always respectful and good humor, and it's really hysterical.
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And to coach uh, you know, um, a young lady uh to being the third Canadian finisher at a world major, that means a lot to me as a coach.
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And at the end of the day, man, like I tell everybody, I've got a daughter and I've got a wife that love me, right?
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I've got enough love in my life.
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What I love and what makes me excited is seeing y'all so happy, is to hear the tears of joy that you cried when you got on the phone with me after that race.
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And for that, that leaves me fired up because that was a job well done on Elise's part.
01:15:59.520 --> 01:15:59.840
Me?
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Yeah, I just said go run down the road.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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No, I I'll push back on that.
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It's a team effort all the way through and through.
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Like you don't get to that level without coaches that have to believe in you sometimes before you can believe in yourself.
01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:22.479
But Elise, I love how Canadian Running always puts out this, yeah, this top 10 list and everything.
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So it comes out, you're number three, third Canadian woman across the line, um, 40th woman overall.
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Like, I know we don't run specifically for these things or the the accolades or or anything like that, but like what did that mean to you when you saw that come out?
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What the next day or two days later?
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I truly don't even know if it's sunken.
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Um so appreciative.
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Because when my kids heard 40th, they were like, oh, like 40th?
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Like, oh, good job.
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Kids will always be the least impressed by anything.
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I'm just saying.
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They will humble us like no other, won't they?
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Oh it's just like it's just incredible because I think like the best part about it, well, the best part was like I have two very good friends that were also on that list.
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And not only that, like seeing new names, like I just love that Canada is continue, like continuously like producing such like elite, not only athletes, but elite humans.
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And it's just like it's so exciting to like meet up with you know, um, with these women and these men at races.
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Like, you know, I had the opportunity to meet Thomas Knobbs.
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Like, look at his performance.
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Like he's been continuously PBing throughout the the entire year.
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And uh I just like it's an honor to be in such a place with these elite individuals.
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And uh like I said, this one's very near and dear to my heart.
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It's you know, it's still sinking in.
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Like I still haven't looked at my race photos.
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I still haven't missed, and I just feel like every time you look at those, like it takes you back and memories pour in.
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And uh this one was super, super special for me, especially having my mom there and cheering.
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She actually walked across the city and I saw her at mile 13, and I think it was such a pick-me-up and special moment for us.
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So I'm so that's impressive because mile 13 is loud, and there are a lot of people at mile 13, if I recall correctly.
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So the fact that you even heard your mom is is pretty impressive.
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But um, yeah, okay.
01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:36.079
Well, uh am I allowed to ask what's next, or are you still sort of soaking in this?
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And I'm hoping that this is just one of like 49 part recap on Instagram.
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I know I I live for your Instagram recaps.
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You've put one or two up already, but I I hope it's not over.
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Haven't even started.
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I need to get going.
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I'm sorry.
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Oh, I thought you put something up.
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Maybe it was a story.
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Probably.
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I'll get like I'll get like right in there.
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I'm still waiting for her to send me all the non-down step photos.
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What's this?
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I'm still waiting for you to send me all the non-down step photos.
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And she's still waiting for you to send her$3,000.
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You're getting nothing from me till I get that from you.
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Carolyn, do you see, do you do you see what I put up with here?
01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:18.479
I see.
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I see what you I'm actually in like having so much joy in this conversation because it's like I get to see the athlete coach dynamic play out, but it's like it's not me as the athlete or me as the coach.
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So I'm just the fly on the wall to to just you wait till I start sending the like pro-con list of like this race versus this race.
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Yeah, we should do this, but we should do this because of this, and it will go on and on.
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And maybe he'll respond, maybe he won't.
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Oh, oh, I'm sure the first thing she's gonna say is the cons of this race is that your coach is gonna call you the night before the race and tell you to run slower than you want to run.
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You know, I mean, you know, if you hey, if you want top shelf negativism, you get Jeff Cunningham to coach you.
01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:06.399
Well, he'll he'll destroy your hopes and dreams.
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We thought Jeff like spoke belief into his athletes, but apparently he just crushes everybody's soul the day before the race.
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Exactly.
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At the end at the end of the day, I can't ignore science, you know.
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I know there is nobody more science or math than Jeff Cunningham, that's for sure.
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Exactly.
01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:27.039
Well, I mean, it's uh October as we're sitting here speaking.
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Is there gonna be a spring marathon on the list?
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And or what what what are you what are you thinking?
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Going ahead.
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My poor, my poor family, eh?
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I'm just like yeah, yeah.
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Oh, I don't see how there can't be.
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The juices are flowing, we're ready to rock again, eh Jeff?
01:20:44.720 --> 01:20:45.840
Yeah, we're ready to rock.
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We're gonna figure out what makes sense, you know.
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Um, I would talk in to a lot of my Canadian peeps because um I coach so many of you guys, and you're just all brilliant and amazing humans.
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Um, so we're thinking about something where we could get a little bit of outdoor time at the tail end of the block.
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You know what I mean?
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And so I would love like a very late April into May type race where maybe we can sneak outside for three or four weeks, at least maybe intermittently, you know, so that you can get some vitamin D and sort of get this rejuvenation a little bit that just comes with breathing that outdoor air instead of the purple people leader, purple monster, you know, uh planet fitness treadmill air, you know.
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Um, but yeah, we'll we'll we'll figure it out.
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Yeah, we'll figure it out.
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I love it.
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But you know, there's still there's still rules to this.
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There's no rules to this because you know, Elise is um just an absolutely unbelievable mother, um, um, is an empath, um, and is a consummate professional, brilliant nurse.
01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:59.600
Um, um, I've met um her uh her better 75%, you know, when we were um at McCurdy, and he he's uh, you know, he's a saint, Vatican called.
01:21:59.920 --> 01:22:02.479
It's it's it's it's um it's done.
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Um no, but the reality is is she's just so good at so many things, they got so much going on that running is not gonna be defining.
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It's simply a meaningful, joyful, elite, elite adjunct to what is already a very, very full, um um um admirable, inspiring life that she leads.
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And that's what I love most.
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So oh, I love this.
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And uh I would agree.
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I I think the two of you make such an awesome team, um, such a zany, awesome team.
01:22:35.439 --> 01:22:43.199
I think we've had zany come up for as a descriptor for well, for Elise, but I think we could throw you in there too, Jeff.
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Um, I love that you're putting Brockville on the map or continuing to put Brockville on the map.
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Like far as Ellie.
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We just for those of you who don't know, Elise and I are from the same very small hometown, and there's been a few elite runners come out of that town, but uh it's it's really great to see you continuing to represent Brockville.
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So a big huge congratulations to the two of you for this performance because it truly is a team effort.
01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:17.760
And thank you both because you two both know you're such an important part of this process for me.
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So I wouldn't be here without you both.
01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:22.560
Jeff, any parting words?
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Give us a monologue, just give us a Jeff Cunningham monologue to lay.
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Something funny, too much emotion right now.
01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:33.119
Nah, I love um, I love coaching and it's so fulfilling, you know.
01:23:33.199 --> 01:23:37.920
Um, like I always tell everybody, I'm a dirtbag lawyer, and that's what keeps the roof from leaking.
01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:43.279
But, you know, for both uh my wife Anjalique and me, uh coaching has filled our cup.
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It's been um um I'm life-giving.
01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:52.960
Um, it has been soul sort of nourishing for uh two and a half decades, right?
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For both Anjali and me.
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And the reality is, is when I got into this space and you know, I had one Canadian, then two Canadians, and then now I'm like friends with Canadians.
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Um, I tell you what, you guys make this whole Texas boys life so fulfilling.
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Y'all are funny, and um, I tell you what, old Canada makes North America a better place, baby.
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Love you guys a lot.
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Yeah, good peeps, man.
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Hey, and what are they doing over there in Brockville, man?
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They're cranking out some good humans over there.
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Let's hear it.
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Let's hear it for Brockville.
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Yeah, 2020.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Um, the hair braiding as like a act of care in terms of nursing wasn't something I picked up until I transferred to the ICU.
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When patients are comatose for more than 48 hours, we braid their hair basically because when you're lying sort of in that one position, your hair gets quite matted.
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That was Erin Mowinnie, and this is episode 311 of the Inspired Souls Podcast.
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Welcome to Inspired Souls, the podcast that fuels your passion for running and helps you achieve peak performance with every stride.
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I'm your host, Carolyn Coffin, and each week we'll dive deep into the world of running, bringing you expert insights, inspirational stories, and practical tips to elevate your running game.
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Whether you're a seasoned marathoner or just lacing up your first pair of running shoes, we'll explore the art and science of running and help to unlock your true potential.
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So let's lace up and get inspired.
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Today I am very excited to welcome Erin Malinnie back to the show.
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Erin is a 30-year-old elite Canadian distance runner, a 229 marathoner, a former ICU nurse, and now an author.
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Erin was on the show back in 2025 after finishing third at the Canadian 10K Championships in Ottawa.
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And if you listen to that episode, you know she is hilarious, which is perhaps not what you'd expect from someone whose new book is about working in an ICU during the COVID-19 pandemic in her mid-20s, caring for people who were dying at a time when the world felt like it was falling apart.
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Her book is called If I'm Ever in a Coma, Braid My Hair.
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And it's a deeply personal reflection on grief, humanity, and what it means to care for others without losing yourself in the process.
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And while the subject matter is incredibly heavy, Erin's humor is still very much present because sometimes, even in the darkest moments, laughter is how we get through.
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Today we talk about the experiences that inspired her to write this book, the patience and moments that have stayed with her, and why she chose to leave much of her identity as an elite runner off the page.
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So without further delay, please enjoy my conversation with Erin Moinney.
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Okay, well, I am here with 243 Marathoner Elise Jilliver and her fabulous coach, Jeff Cunningham.
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Uh, welcome back to the podcast, YouTube.
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It feels good to be back.
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I'm legit the third most fabulous person on this podcast right now.
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So let's not get it twisted, guys.
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Nothing wrong with the bronze medal.
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Hey.
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You know what?
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You know what?
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That's true.
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That's true.
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Also, I'm in last, but that's okay.
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All right.
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Well, we are gonna get into this race.
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I want to hear every single detail, but before we get going, uh, Elise, how are you feeling about the race?
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How are you feeling right now?
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We're what three days removed from Chicago?
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And we saw you walking on video here just a little bit ago, and it's not perfect, but it is better from what I can tell.
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Yeah.
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I think fleshing out the legs yesterday sincerely helped, but I can't say that I've ever had a marathon like this one.
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Jeff is my math whiz and can calculate sodium like no other, but I think it is not shocking that I did not get enough sodium in that race.
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And like I think the quads are feeling it the most.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Well, uh, we're gonna need to hear more about that sodium plan.
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But um, Jeff, what are your kind of post-race reflections?
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Um, Elise ran a what, one minute, a little over one minute personal best?
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Over a one-minute personal best in temperatures that were uh 25 to 30 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than when she ran her prior personal best.
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So we're talking about a completely different race, especially since the courses that she ran on were very similar.
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Uh, at least your PR was at Houston, right?
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So we're talking about flat urban courses, you know, um, with lots of concrete, you know, streets.
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And so we're looking at things that are pretty similar.
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Uh, but you know, on a day when there was a lot of carnage, on a day when there was a whole lot of people that sort of, you know, kind of said, Yeah, well, you know, um uh the best, the best made, what is it, best laid uh plants of mice and men, right?
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Um, um, she she she performed really brilliantly.
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Yeah, she did.
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But we're so before we get into it, we're rewinding the clock just a little bit.
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So yeah, we've alluded, you had the 244 30 something personal best.
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Yeah, 38.
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It's 38 in Houston, and that was what early 2025?
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Early, yeah.
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January.
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Then it was later that year, I think that the two of you first began working together after Toronto, and I forget, was that 246 or something?
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246.
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I think I think actually, I think it was 247, maybe 248.
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That was a really tough race for me in Toronto.
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Well, that was hot, like that was really hot.
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I remember I had some athletes there that day.
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But Jeff, what what did you see in her when she first reached out?
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What made you think, like, oh yeah, I know that there's more to come for this athlete?
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Uh, grit, uh, zany personality, and massive, massively high uh uh uh ceiling, lots of untapped potential.
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But um just really, really zany and funny and self-deprecating in a way that just makes me just would crack me up even before we ever actually formally had a conversation.
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But then I would see uh the quality of the races that she was running.
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And you know, and then when she reached out and says, Hey, you know, I'm thinking about, you know, um uh doing this, my thought process was, yeah, man, um, this is this is this is gonna be really good.
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That was amazing.
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And then maybe Elise, back to you for what what do you think what made you decide that you wanted to work with Jeff?
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Like, what were you hoping that he could help you accomplish?
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Well, like none other than his zany personality.
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I was like, this could go two ways, right?
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And I'm gonna be positive here and say two zany personalities together equals greatness.
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So let's go.
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Lfg, but I won't say this on a podcast on PG.
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I've got a child in the house here, but no, okay.
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Well, I like oh, sorry, I was just like, at a time I needed some serious energy, I knew exactly where to find it.
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay, well, take us back then to your it's late 2025, maybe early 26 that you start working together.
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Um, and the first race you decided to put on your calendar was the McCurdy Micro Marathon in March.
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Uh, what happened?
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What was going through your head when you realized I think that wasn't the day that you were hoping for?
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So maybe um talk about why you put that one on your calendar and then what was going on uh leading up to that race day.
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I mean, I think this is a Jeff race.
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It's so neat to have a coach who also coaches other athletes of such high caliber and you don't know them, but you feel like you know them.
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And it's definitely a positive experience to have a race where you know you're going to like meet these people that you've been speaking to on the internet for so long.
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And not to mention one of my best friends, Sarah Jarvis, Health and Wellness, was going.
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So we had this like incredible, well, as incredible as a winter build in Canada can be together.
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Um, we lived at those Planet Fitness treadmills and we hustled.
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And speed workouts on a treadmill are no fun.
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Speed workouts by Jeff Cunningham are also, you know, no, deep down they're really fun, but it was it was different learning for us, and it was nice to have somebody like through that process with.
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And I think we just built each other up.
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Um, I know the weekend of like we had so many Instagram stories out there.
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She's funnier than me.
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So they they left us all howling, but it was such a positive experience, and it was so great for me because she raced the day before me.
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And there's just like something about seeing somebody that you love so much, like succeed.
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And she also had just been like in the making for this huge PV and like huge PV, like 21-minute PV.
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Like it was just so incredible to see, and I truly felt like I was like, this is it, like this is our time to shine.
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Um, I'm no stranger to illness.
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I know in our last podcast together before Houston, four days, 14 days out, I had COVID, and then nine days out I had gastro that took me out for two days.
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So uh this race, I was real lucky and ended up with a sinus infection that required like puffers, nasal sprays, and two antibiotics.
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So going into this race, I actually truly felt really good.
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My last dose of antibiotics finished on the Friday, and I was racing the Sunday.
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And it was so weird because I've never had a marathon that I chalked it up to nerves, but usually I don't get super, super nervous.
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But I was up the entire night.
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I woke up with like a body battery on my watch of like 38, like no sleep, freaking out.
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And like I had Sarah there and my husband, like just trying to calm me down.
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But I'm like, something is just not right.
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But I'm like, whatever, like put it away.
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We're going, we're going hard.
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You know, saw Jeff like before the race.
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I was like, this is good.
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Like he's here, like my people are here.
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Like, this is gonna be good.
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It's freezing, but it's gonna be good.
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And I just remember starting that race with two of his athletes, Sammy and Haley, who are wonderful ladies, and we paced together.
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And I truly have never felt like more in sync.
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Like my bottles were going down, my my fuel was going down.
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I had these girls to run with, and then it was like magic, like 11 miles hit, and I looked at my watch and my heart rate was like 210.
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And I was like, oh, it's just like it's just my watch, it's fine.
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And then like I kind of like started like feeling my pulse, like any psycho nurse would.
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And I was like, no, my pulse is really this high.
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And I held on for like another like 0.9 miles, and I was like, something's not right, and like at the end of the day, like our health is just not worth it.
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And I think we can all attest to like we know ourselves, especially in this sport.
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And it was one of the hardest decisions I have to make.
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I remember just holding on until I could see Jeff and just breaking down, but I was like, I can't do it, like something is just not right.
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And um, I ended up coming back home and I ended up needing to go on antibiotics again.
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So I was really happy with the choice I made, but it's stung in the moment.
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But this is the marathon.
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There's a lot of controllables you cannot control, right?
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So sorry, controllables you can control, uncontrollables you cannot control.
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And this was one of them.
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And so I was hoping to take this as like a learning experience and try to flip with a marathon a month later, but that also did not go according to plan.
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Well, we'll we'll get there.
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We'll get there, but I want to hear the coach's perspective on this.
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So you take on a new athlete, Jeff.
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This is your first build with her.
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Um, talk to me about the build because I know sometimes when you take on new athletes that have come from elsewhere or whatever, you want to look back at their training.
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What have they done?
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Okay, well, where are the gaps?
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What am I gonna throw at this person that's gonna really like move the needle here?
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Um, what were those things for Elise?
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Do you remember?
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Yeah, well, when I talked to Elise, um, um, her magic power is her passion for running and her ability to run some volume, right?
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Um, Elise is not one of these people where I had to like coax into the idea of hitting some volume.
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And kudos to uh uh people who live in really, really cold client uh climates because you guys are having to do it um indoors all winter.
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And you know, it's funny because you train a system that actually you really need to use a lot during marathon.
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And it's the it's the psychological system of being able to tolerate monotony and not sort of push back against it and revolt against it.
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Because if you did that, you literally just wouldn't run between, you know, uh uh uh mid-November in Canada and in April.
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You just wouldn't run, right?
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Well, I I say all Canada.
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And Canada's a really big place.
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Vancouver, you can run outside most of the year, right?
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But uh you guys, it's tough.
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So I thought to myself, okay, she can handle volume, she can handle monotony.
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Um, she's got a massive amount of just natural high anaerobic ability because when we started talking about some of the workouts she was doing, um I was really heartened that that at least that you were you ran as fast as you did on some of the workouts that you did.
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One of the gaps was doing um faster, uh, I think harder interval training.
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And I think that that is pretty typical of people who didn't have a really long um scholastic and then university career where they were running 5,000, 10,000 meters steeplechase, right?
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1,500 meter races on the track, where that's sort of like sort of bread and butter types of things that you that you go through as an uh 18, 19, 21-year-old uh budding distance star.
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And so um, at least a lot like a lot of people who can come to me who are already fairly credentialed.
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I mean, she ran 244.
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I mean, that's elite, uh uh, frankly, by uh uh almost any standard other than she's silly arbitrary things that we have, like the silly US, you know, Olympic trials qualifying standards and stuff like that.
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So I thought this is where we got to make uh the progress.
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And I think that, Elise, you would agree that that was probably the thing that was the most difficult that went so much better in this Chicago block.
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Um, and a lot of it was the neck up.
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A lot of it was, you know, um, I didn't get the adjectives to describe the workouts from Elise that were as dramatic and over the top in the Chicago build as they were in the first build.
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Things like terrifying, um, um horrifying, um, you know, all of these really over-the-top things that I usually reserve for flesh eating, you know, uh viruses and Ebola, right?
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And um, as a medical professional, um, Elise uh uh would get a good laugh when I would start talking about Ebola and flesh eating viruses.
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But uh I think that was a challenge.
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But here's the cool thing.
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We got to McCurdy and I knew it was gonna be tough because when you were as deathly ill as she was, she's really damn playing downplaying how ill she was even six days before McCurdy, right?
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Um I knew it was gonna be tough, right?
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And it turned out that it was even tougher than even what I had feared.
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But then having to go back on another round of antibiotics told me that it was just um you were you you were feeling good enough to run easy, but not good enough to race at you know at 615 pace a mile, right?
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Yeah.
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Um uh or what is that 350 what 353, 354 a K, right?
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For or 355 a K, right, for 42 kilometers.
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Yeah, right.
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Yeah.
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But at least you learn, you got on Coach Jeff's Crazy Train, right?
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And you ended up moving into the first class car, okay, and uh uh and you have front row seats on the on the on the crazy train express, right?
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And so you were good.
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And so the funny thing is is we gained massive fitness, you learn how to do the training.
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Um, and not that you had to, I don't need to teach you, I'm not like the grand poo-bop of marathoning, but you were able to adjust to my style of training.
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That's a fairer way of putting it.
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And I thought to myself, she is about to become one of the best marathoners.
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Um, um, you already were, but even much higher as far as you know, uh uh in Canada, right?
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Um, and so um we walked out of that park in um White Plains, New York, just outside of White Plains, New York, right?
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And I thought to myself, well, that was shitty, right?
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Not your effort, not your dedication, not your desire, and all that.
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It was just a shitty experience.
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As a coach, you take that on too, and you're just like, shit, man, you know, she was really fit, and uh, we don't really know if it was one of your kids or somebody at the hospital, but you caught something nasty from somebody.
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Some some dirty person.
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Holly.
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And I think that's the hardest thing because when you take on a new athlete as a coach, like I want to hear about it from the coach and the athlete perspective.
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It's like you take on a new athlete, or or you're an athlete and you you get a new coach and you have all these like huge hopes and dreams and everything, and the first time isn't like a knockout of the park.
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Like, I want to hear about that side of it from both of your perspectives.
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I mean, from my perspective, I'm like, she was sick, period.
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End of story, whatever.
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But I just know that a lot of times it, there's just more like emotions when you're the people in it.
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Because as a coach, you're like, shoot, was it something I did?
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And you're going back through all the training and like, what did I give her something wrong or whatever?
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And then as the athlete, you're like, oh my god, did I make the right decision?
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So she coaches.
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So I want to hear, I I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I do want to hear about that um day from both of your perspectives.
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Like, where was your head at with uh having to pull out?
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It's so tough if you have to DNF.
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I mean, it's funny because I look back and I'm like, when I did it, I was like, I was just certain.
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Like, um, I just am very stubborn person and I will push to the ends of the earth, but I also can appreciate like when I just can't anymore.
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So, like pulling out was awful because you have the emotions.
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I'm just like, I just wanted to come here and I wanted to like show him like what I could do.
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But you also just I think we all just have to learn to accept that again, like the marathon is a beast, and there's a lot of things you can control, but there's also a lot of things you can't control.
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And as a human, I like it's no, it's it's everybody knows, everybody that knows me, like I love running.
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Like I adore it.
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Like I will wake up at 4 a.m.
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I will make my schedule work, but I also like will be a mom first.
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And I have three kids at home, and like I do work, like I'm a nurse.
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So running will always be so huge to me.
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But there's all like there's so many other important things.
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So at the end of the day, I was like, I have to just keep that in the back of my mind.
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Like, this is one race.
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And I think also because I'm a stubborn person, like I knew, like, there was no doubt in my mind about Jeff.
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Like, I knew we were gonna go on and do bigger and better things.
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And I definitely rode the roller coaster on the way home.
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Like it was just so fun and exciting to be so happy for my friend, and then it would kind of hit like, oh my god, I didn't even finish the race for the like for the first time.
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But it's just hard to be super upset.
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So just taking the next few days, and I know it sounds awful, but it was almost a bit of a relief to going to the doctors and like having to go back on antibiotics.
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I was like, okay, like there's a reason.
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So like we're just gonna get back up on the horse.
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It's unfortunate that it happened, but there's no use dwelling on it, right?
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Um, and I knew in that time, like Jeff's style is is exactly what I need.
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Like, I love the high mileage.
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I love one, I've learned, sorry, Jeff, learned to love the one big speed a week.
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Trying to like exactly this this build, I'm like, don't let it be known that you're super anxious to do the big speed, but you feel so accomplished when you do it, and it's just nice knowing it's coming.
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He's going to prescribe me something that's going to be hard, but he knows I can do.
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And if he knows I can do it, then I know I can do it.
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So answer there.
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There were there was nothing.
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It was just, what are we gonna do next?
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How are we gonna fix this?
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Yes, and we'll put a pin on what came next.
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But Jeff, I want to hear that from your uh perspective.
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Like she DNFs, we we know the reason, or maybe we didn't know right away.
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Like, how are where's your head at uh as a coach?
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Um, I was being really, really annoying, logical guy, uh um, and probably a little bit less uh um I'm comforting maybe than I should have been, maybe, or maybe you didn't interpret it that way.
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But my uh my reaction was literally the same as yours, Carolyn, which was you were sick.
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End of story, put it here at the end of the sentence.
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Yeah.
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You weren't gonna be able to physically perform here today in retrospect.
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We both went in with some um with some hope.
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Um, but hope and um and and and a whole lot of maybes and a whole lot of of uh of wishful thinking was literally about 75 to 80 percent of my coaching plan, which is about 65 to 70 percent more than I like to be at at the start of every marathon.
00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:21.119
And so I was um um, you know, I was not surprised, right?
00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:29.599
At least when you had to drop, because I knew how really horrific you were feeling even 72 hours prior um to the race.
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Uh, but you know, you are hard on yourself and you are um a stubborn mule, right?
00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:46.160
And it's one of these things where you uh you you you gave yourself much less grace in the moments in uh the day or two after that than I gave you.
00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:55.599
Um and it makes me happy that the doctor freed you up to give yourself that grace where he just kind of sat you down and said, Listen here, kid, you're really freaking sick.
00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:59.039
Here's some more whore steroids and some antibiotics, you know.
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And then you're like, Okay.
00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:01.039
Yeah.
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You know, but you learn to train at such a high level.
00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:05.359
Okay.
00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:23.119
Uh, that uh that really, really boded well in my mind on a golf over basis, because I thought she just got the cheat code to the video game and unlocked a whole bunch of different levels that were gonna end up netting some really positive results uh uh down the line.
00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:26.960
So I was walked out super optimistic, even though I was bummed in the moment.
00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:27.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:29.759
And it's that's the tricky thing.
00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:35.279
Like again, from an athlete's perspective and a coach's perspective, is like to hold those two things together.
00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:39.039
I just think that's like the dance that we're doing all the time.
00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:46.079
But yes, we always after in the aftermath of a good race, a bad race, a neutral race, it's like, what's next?
00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:46.559
What's next?
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And so you two decided, or I don't know whose decision.
00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:52.720
I need to hear about the decision to put the St.
00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:58.400
Lawrence marathon in Cornwall on the calendar one month later.
00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:03.359
You can correct me if I'm wrong, Jeff, but I would 99% say it was me.
00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:06.079
Like, I probably didn't even give you a say.
00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:11.759
It was, it was what it was was we said, you're super, super fit.
00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:18.160
Um we you only ran 11 or 12 miles, uh maybe 13, 14 miles.
00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:20.640
So basically, no, it was like 11.97.
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It was, it was, I mean, other than the quote long run that was on your schedule eight days prior to McCurdy, you had not done a long run that was that short since since probably um to say maybe four weeks after Toronto back in like November.
00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:47.039
So you literally, from a leg standpoint and a microfiber tear standpoint in your connective tissue in your fascia, your leg, your legs weren't beat up.
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And so we said, listen, man, we get this uh we get this uh this infection cleared.
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Okay, we get ourselves on a decent course.
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Um even with uh uh uh mediocrely just halfway decent weather, we're probably gonna run, I mean, we we're probably gonna run worst case scenario, maybe a 245, 246, 247 marathon, even on a kind of a mediocre day.
00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:13.519
So that was our thought process, right?
00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:14.160
Awesome.
00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:26.720
And and I think that there's, I mean, um, I'm gonna I'm not gonna lie and say the thought didn't cross my mind when I DNF'd the marathon project in December to like try to stag me a bib for Houston, you know, a few weeks later, right?
00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:30.400
It's it's that impulse of like I didn't even beat myself up that much.
00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:32.799
I was conditioned for this, whatever happened, happened.
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And like, let's go use this fitness.
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So I totally get that, totally respect that.
00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:41.359
Um, Elise, um, what what was it like for you?
00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:43.920
Like you, I I can't remember what you ran that day.
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Was it 247 or two?
00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:46.400
You won the race.
00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:47.920
Like is this in Cornwall?
00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:48.400
Yeah.
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No, we we wish it was 247.
00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:51.519
Well, what was it?
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:57.279
It was it was 253, amazing time, like an in an incredible time.
00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:07.920
Probably one of the races I'm truly most proud of because like mile two, I brought a gel, I brought the gel up that I had taken before the start, and I was like, I'm done.
00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:13.920
Like I can be done right now, but I was not gonna let myself uh do it again.
00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:15.599
So I was like, giddy up.
00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:24.079
Like we're gonna And I I actually think that's important to touch on though, because um, as any athlete knows, like the DNF can become a bit of a habit.
00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:26.480
Like if you do it once, it becomes easy to do it again.
00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:35.440
And I think even if the sole goal was just breaking the DNF habit, like finishing what we started, that there's value in that.
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.000
I'd be curious to hear both of your perspectives there.
00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:47.200
Yeah, I mean, I think that just to get the bugaboo off your back, I mean, you really did not want to DNF two races in a row.
00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:52.240
Uh, because, you know, once is an outlier, twice is a trend, right?
00:25:52.799 --> 00:26:03.920
And from a physical standpoint, there was no actual uh a mandate, no actual um sort of scientific safety, health-related need to drop out.
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:07.039
You were gonna be able to go and jog 26 miles, no problem at all.
00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:17.920
Um, two things that we didn't um count on um was that your illness lingered longer than we even possibly thought that it would.
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:25.839
It was really stubborn in the weeks after McCurdy, and you really only had about 14 days of healthy running prior to that race.
00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:41.920
And then unfortunately, just because it's you know, it's mid-November in southeastern Canada, we got a wind that was blowing from east to west, and the course went from west to east.
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:51.359
And so Elise ran about 80% of the race either into a glancing or a full-on headwind for literally the whole race.
00:26:51.599 --> 00:27:04.400
Um, and for anybody who's ever done any amount of running, you know that in a marathon that's that's I think I saw some videos from that day, and I could just hear the wind in all the videos.
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:10.720
Um, but so did it feel to you like was it the redemption that you were hoping for?
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:17.599
Like you did win the race, like I said, you didn't DNF, like these are all positive things, or were you still disappointed?
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:22.880
Um it's funny because I remember crossing the finish line and I was just elated.
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Um, my husband was there.
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Uh Sarah came down.
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She left at 4 a.m.
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with us to get there to Cornwall.
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:36.799
Um, I had like two girlfriends that were running the half, Shane and Erica, and like and Jody, my other friend, came down to cheer.
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.039
Like there were so many people, my friend Courtney.
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:40.319
I'm trying to remember everybody now.
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:42.559
Sorry, but so many incredible friends that were there.
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:44.720
And in the moment, I think it was.
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:55.839
It was like, it was like that celebration of finishing because I just always want to be transparent that like running the marathon is just so hard.
00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:03.119
And one thing Jeff has been so excellent with me that I've learned so much in the past is like how important the recovery is.
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:13.519
And it's kind of like he said, after I had I went back on antibiotics, I think maybe I just I think sometimes we just underestimate or like expect more from our bodies.
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:16.240
And it was, it was frightening to see my heart rate that high.
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:17.440
Like it's never been that high.
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And it was kind of the first time I think in running I've ever been like, oh wow, like something bad could have happened if I hadn't listened to my body.
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:27.039
So I was very cautious coming back to running.
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:28.559
Like I finished my antibiotics.
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:34.640
Like we did not start up anything crazy on the advice from my like family physician as well as Jeff.
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:40.880
And um, like we could probably get into this more, but I think it's like it's quite obvious to everybody.
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:57.519
I went through a period after this race where I just I really needed some time to like gather my thoughts, gather where I was gonna put running like on my totem pole of life, because I think it just slowly crept up over a little bit of time and I was taking for granted like the joy of running.
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:00.160
And I think that happened in the car.
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:02.799
Like I said, I felt so much joy after this race.
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.359
Like I finished the race, like so grateful.
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:07.839
Like 253 is an incredible time.
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:09.599
It's nothing to be upset about.
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So many people were there.
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And then I remember being in the car with my husband coming home, and like I didn't even expect it, and like the tears started flooding.
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:30.880
And I think those tears were just not of disappointment, but like knowing how hard I had worked for the past few months, like indoors on treadmills, like just giving it my all and just like not feeling satisfied with the outcome.
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:52.079
But that's where I've taken the time in this sport to realize like sometimes we have to take ownership and appreciate what we've done, despite what it may look like to any other people, because when you really sit down and think about what every single marathoner puts into a block, puts out to finish a race, like there's just no words for it, right?
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:57.599
But I think just numbers have become such a big important factor to so many as it should.
00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:02.880
Like we all have goals, but man, like to look back and what we do sometimes, it's insane.
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It is, it really is.
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:18.960
And I mean, I I guess, Jeff, I wanted to talk, uh, just touch on this with you about the like the redemption marathon, just in general, like putting something on like three to four weeks later.
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:21.519
Like, just what are your global thoughts on it?
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:24.480
Because it can work out and it it does work out sometimes.
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:39.440
I actually just released a an episode on my podcast this week with Erin Mulinny, 229 Canadian Marathoner, and she had to DNF the the Marathon project for very similar reasons that you did, and then she turned around and ran 229 in Houston.
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:55.279
It can work out, but Jeff, when you see so just global thoughts on the redemption marathon, but then when you see it not work out well the way that you'd hoped or the way you knew she was fit for twice in a row, where do you go from there as a as a duo?
00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:02.400
Um the 253 was really good when you contextualize it.
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:09.359
Um, into a headwind, two weeks of healthy running in the last month, right?
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:11.759
In the last six weeks, actually.
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:21.039
There was four weeks of illness and two weeks of health into a cold headwind with literally nobody to run with the entire race.
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:27.759
I saw videos, and there was like a man maybe 200 meters ahead of her, and then another guy that was two or three hundred meters behind her.
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:35.359
And so basically ran a solo 26.2, 42.2k time trial into a headwind and run a 253.
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:48.640
Um the emotional feeling of winning a race, finishing a race, not having to dropout, being there with your family, having the SJHW that's Sarah Jarter's health and wellness, for those who don't know, right?
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:49.599
Um, there.
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:52.000
It was it was really redemptive and it was good.
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:55.920
But it was not, it was not, and of course, Odyssey knew this.
00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:11.440
It was not a perfect day where she was able to actually sort of show off on the big stage all this fitness, this fun new toy that she had gone and bought herself on those uh purple treadmills in Planet Fitness in February, right?
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.799
And so we knew that we had big things to come.
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:16.000
Yes, for sure.
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:16.400
Okay.
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:33.200
Um, so you decide together to kind of take a little bit of a hard reset after that, if I'm not mistaken, because I think I saw you, Elise, in Ottawa a month later, pacing friends in the 10K, the half marathon.
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:40.400
So, how intentional was that decision to just kind of have a little fun, reclaim the joy of running, like you spoke about?
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:43.039
Oh, Jeff, I can't even remember when we talked about this.
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:45.920
Like, I had had that bib for a little bit of time.
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:49.759
So I think it was just more a decision of like, what am I gonna do?
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:54.319
And completely transparent, I was back and forth for a little bit.
00:32:54.400 --> 00:33:04.000
I'm like, maybe, maybe what I need is to go out and blast a 10K, but blasting a 10K is not not my ideal of uh fun or redemption.
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:11.440
And I think that's when I made the conscious decision by myself.
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:15.759
I was like, I personally need to find the join it again.
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:20.880
I like when I was thinking about running the 10K, like I probably had beads of sweat coming down my face.
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:22.640
I'm like, this is not the runner I am.
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:26.160
Like I'm pretty, I can contain the nerves.
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:28.720
And I was like, this isn't gonna bode me well.
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:31.519
It hasn't boded me well for like a few times in a row.
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:33.519
So let's let's do this.
00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:39.920
And I got to pace my cousin, who was not even one year postpartum with twins, and I was sweating at the end.
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:42.480
Like she is a phenomenal runner.
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:47.759
And then my best girlfriend from work, like I haven't had that much fun in forever pacing the half.
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:49.839
We still we still laugh about it today.
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.240
Like it was just it was joy for both of us.
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:59.839
And I think that honestly might have been my turning point into like getting back into the getting back on the saddle.
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:00.720
Yeah.
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:05.759
And so, Eddie, so when did Chicago come on the radar?
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.320
And when did you have to start training for it?
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.039
Because um, that was end of May, right?
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:12.400
The Ottawa race.
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:16.079
So, how much time did you have before you're back into another marathon block?
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:18.000
When did we do Chicago?
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:26.239
I knew about from like last October because I did I signed up for the high performance program, and you do find out relevant, I think like within the week of it.
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:30.079
Maybe I'm lying, maybe it's not that soon, but yeah, it was it was early.
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:37.599
So I was very excited for I I want to say by the time we got to the first week in July, we we were in our marathon build.
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:38.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.639
So I'm always careful to say that because you know I always put the training sort of on a continuum.
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.519
I mean, there's still like hard start to marathon training.
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:56.400
You don't go from running, you know, you know, a 60, 60k a week, you know, and you know, and playing tiddly winks to suddenly going and running 120 kilometers a week.
00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:58.239
I mean, we don't do it that way.
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:01.199
So it was just sort of a steady, fun little build.
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:07.840
Um, in June, threw in some Fartlec, just started ramping up a little bit of volume.
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:12.159
Um, you know, I kept saying, hey, we have the gift of time, we have the gift of time.
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:24.000
Not to mention the fact when you make a whole lot of deposits in your fitness bank account, you just you don't, you don't, you don't show up bankrupt at the start of the next block, right?
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:28.079
Each one of these training blocks is not in a silo separate and apart.
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.320
I mean, there is ebb and flow to it.
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:33.280
I mean, it's kind of like the stock market, it's gonna go a little bit like this.
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:49.599
But generally speaking, if you stack blocks of training, really good blocks of training, and you're healthy and you're young, um, you're going to generally have an upward trajectory in your fitness over a period of years from the bottom left to the top right.
00:35:49.760 --> 00:36:02.800
And so we started at a spot in July that was far different than where Elise and I started in December and in January going into uh the winter last year prior to McCurdy.
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:15.199
So I was really um at peace and really at ease in the way I was able to script the workouts, not to mention the fact there were no surprises.
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.360
I at least I did not give you anything that surprised you.
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:20.400
Nothing.
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:28.719
Every single week, it was like a damn surprise in February and early March for this kid, right?
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:34.400
But by the time we got to July or September, she was like, Oh, I recognize this.
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:46.400
In fact, in fact, the cool thing was we now amassed enough data where we were able to start playing the comparison game on, hey, the last time you did a workout of this genre, right?
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:49.920
Forgive the expression, but I like the word genre.
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.599
It makes me sound higher IQ than my accent would make people believe.
00:36:53.840 --> 00:37:00.239
Um, we were able to go, okay, you're you're freaking rocking this one, man.
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:00.559
Yeah.
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:09.679
And I'm I'm gonna talk about one workout where I was like, holy shaitaki mushrooms.
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:12.639
We we we we're in good shape here.
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:14.480
I'll talk about that one in a minute.
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:15.039
Okay.
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:16.400
Oh, I can't wait for that.
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:26.320
But I I wanted to pause on your point about, especially at the level that you're running at Elise, but I think this is true for all of us as runners, is we're just kind of always training.
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:30.639
Like the training ebbs and flows and looks a little bit different and the mileage might look a bit different.
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:43.199
But anyone who's like, yeah, I just sit on the couch from November to March is probably not, you know, you know, they're probably not getting the results that you would expect at your level, right?
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:44.239
Like we're always running.
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:45.840
So that's that's one thing.
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:55.280
But then I wonder as a coach, when you had done really, it sounds like really awesome training up to McCurdy.
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:57.679
We just had unfortunate luck with health.
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:02.639
How how much of you as a coach is like, I want to give her like new stuff or different stuff or whatever?
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.760
Or how much are you just like, if it ain't broke, don't fix it?
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:08.079
Like, I'm just gonna give her the same kind of stuff again.
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:09.199
She's already used to it.
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:12.639
There's not that adjustment to the new training system.
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:21.039
Um, what was different, or what kind of did you feel needed to change um from the previous marathon build, if anything at all?
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:22.400
Nothing.
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:22.880
Yeah.
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:28.239
That's why I think she was that brilliant um in such a quick study, February and March.
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.480
My answer was um nothing.
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:47.199
And anybody who I've coached for a long time knows that um redundancies and being really, really good at a few things and just investing um about a decade of your life in this is how you get better.
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:49.599
Um and even then, I it could be more.
00:38:49.760 --> 00:39:18.320
But, you know, you know, when you're you know, when you're Elise's age and she's still in her 30s, you know, I mean, we've we've we've got five, six years of of PRs coming down the pike, maybe more, you know, in the because you know, Elise wasn't running 140k a week when she was 19 years old, like some of these uh university, you know, um kids who are running at golf or you know, some of the other big Canadian heavyweight, right, in in track and field, right?
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:24.559
Um uh and so what I'm looking at here is that I'm kind of boring.
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:27.679
And one of my problems is my limited intellect.
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:29.840
So I lack creativity.
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:37.599
And so I kind of like doing, you know, 12 times a thousand meters, much to much to um Elisa's horror, you know.
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:42.000
I kind of like assigning 14 or 15 times 800 meters.
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:46.960
Um, I might have assigned 16, 15 times 600 meters one time, right?
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:50.639
Um, I'm just I'm just not I'm just not real creative.
00:39:50.719 --> 00:40:04.960
And I I I think that, I think that, and I don't want to get overly philosophical here, we have artificially induced attention deficit disorder culturally in the especially in the West.
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:05.679
Okay.
00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:13.119
We have Instagram and Insta Mac and Face page and all this other crap that we get on and we're we're doom scrolling all that deal.
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:19.440
And but the problem is, is we are the same organisms that we were when Roger Bannister broke the four-minute mile in 1952.
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:19.840
Yep.
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:20.320
Okay.
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:30.719
And for you old heads out there, that's probably that's like that's like like 15, 20 years between the before the ENIAC and the Univac existed, let alone the internet, right?
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:32.719
So we're the same physical organisms.
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:36.159
I mean, homeless sapiens are about 250,000 years old.
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:36.800
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:51.039
We have the same aerobic uh uh system, the same oxygen delivery system as we had, you know, back when, you know, um back in the Roman era era and in the 1600s, did you know when Columbus sailed the ocean blue?
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:59.039
He had the same aerobic system that uh that Elise has, you know, just we discovered what penicillin is so we don't die of absciss teeth anymore.
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:00.239
Other than that, we're the same.
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:00.719
Yeah.
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:05.360
So we gotta invest in what we evolved with.
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:11.679
We have to invest in monotony, we had to invest in massaging the aerobic system in a way that's physiologic and evidence-based.
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:16.480
And I'm sorry if you want glitter and moan beams and shoot me and all that crap shooting out your ass every day.
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:17.679
I'm probably not your coach.
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:18.239
Yeah.
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:24.480
No, I and I'm thinking back to uh conversations that we've had in the past about like pacing and everything.
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:33.760
You're like, you gotta be bored, like you gotta be bored until 18, 19, 20 miles of the marathon, like boredom is your friend, boredom's a luxury.
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.920
I actually think the same thing is true to your point in training a little bit.
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:49.519
I think sometimes coaches want to just show how how creative we are and like all these crazy workouts and stuff, but it's like, no, just bread and butter, bread and butter compounded over years and decades is the thing.
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:53.519
It is the move as uh distance athletes, right?
00:41:53.760 --> 00:42:06.000
So um, Elise, I'm curious from your vantage point, did anything feel different about this training, or were you just like bring it on, like more thousands, more eight hundreds, more mile repeats?
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:08.480
Or like, yeah, did anything land differently?
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:11.199
Yeah, we did those two mile repeats.
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.599
Jeff was giving me like such kudos, and then I was like, do you not forget?
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:24.400
Like when he when typically, like when you're not like in a marathon block, we still do speeds and he does fart lecks, like he said, but he doesn't assign paces.
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.679
And I'm like, every time I'd be like, So, like, like what pace should I be going?
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.880
Like, numbers, like I need and he'd just be like, just like go by feel.
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:32.639
I'm like, Well, I don't know feel, just give me numbers.
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:33.920
Like, what should my pace be?
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:40.480
And I was probably pretty annoying, but uh no, like I'm like, this trading block felt completely new.
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:43.039
Like, Carolyn, you have it worse than me.
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:58.159
You're a you're in Manitoba, but like as a Canadian runner, too, like this block outside to like what a difference for the soul to be like running outside and hitting these paces outside, like not trying to do like treadmill math, like you know what I mean.
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:06.639
Like, I do know what you mean, and that's actually a really good point that your first build together was throughout the winter, your second build now is throughout the summer.
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:14.400
But Jeff, I want I want your comments on that, and um, possibly that that ties into the workout that you're thinking of, the monster workout.
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:22.480
Um it snowed, I believe, a little bit in Calgary last week, is what Pauly Kunis told me.
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:23.280
I think.
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:23.840
Okay?
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:25.119
That doesn't surprise me.
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:31.920
It is 93 degrees Fahrenheit as I sit here right now, just outside of Austin, Texas.
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:42.559
So I take it for granted that there are about three days a year where it is impossible to run outside in Austin, Texas, America.
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.199
Okay, maybe three, sometimes zero.
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:45.760
Okay.
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.239
And so I think that I that is one part that I would like to revise my comments on.
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:59.679
What did change was the ability to train outside and all of the wonderful um stimuli and all of the wonderful.
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:13.119
Uh uh sort of feedback you get from seeing trees and and and Canadian geese and all the stuff that you see when you're running outside that you don't get when you're on the purple peeper leader uh treadmill there playing down air at Planet Fitness.
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:22.239
So the workouts didn't change, but where you did the workouts, the weather that you did the workouts in, I think really did you a whole lot of psychological good.
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:23.840
At least it really did.
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:25.039
Amen.
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:26.159
Oh my goodness.
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:28.880
Planet Fitness is having a moment.
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:39.119
Uh, just as a very big uh side tangent here, like Vinny Murray is all anybody could talk about going into this Chicago is that he's like done all this stuff at Planet Fitness.
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:41.679
And I think our guy Thomas Knobbs does quite a bit.
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:43.199
I know he does quite a bit of treadmill.
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:48.639
I'm not sure if it's at Planet Fitness, but wow, like we gotta buy some stock in Planet Fitness.
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:50.880
Okay, Jeff, back to the workout.
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:56.960
What was this workout that you gave Elise that you perked up when we were talking about the workout earlier?
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:02.239
Um 15, 16 days before Chicago.
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:04.239
Oh yeah, the monster workout.
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:04.800
Let's hear that.
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.639
And I said we're gonna go and we're gonna run 23 miles, right?
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:14.480
And um a lot, you know, we had a big piece on the front end that was easy.
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:14.800
Okay.
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.280
Then we had a big piece, you know, a little tiny cooldown at the end.
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.000
But listen, listen to these splits.
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:24.719
So he's putting on his glasses, folks.
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:29.599
So miles miles 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11.
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:35.599
She runs 553, 557, 6 flat, 557, 6 flat.
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:36.320
Okay.
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:45.360
Then easy run a 709 mile, and then goes and runs 551, 550 for two miles.
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:54.400
Then easy runs a 720 mile, then goes 552, 557, 550, 544.
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:57.360
Whoa, girl.
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:08.880
And I I I remember I was just stunned and I stood there, and I think it was probably some sort of an expletive-laced, excited thing that's not um um um PG.
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:17.039
Uh, I think I texted her uh on WhatsApp, and in that moment I thought, Katie, bar the door, man.
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:29.599
If we get if we get really, really good weather here in two weeks, um she's in, she's gonna run anywhere from 239.30 to probably 241.30.
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:35.920
Now I'm gonna get to that in a minute about how I know that I was right.
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:36.800
Okay.
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:46.159
Um, based on what went down on Sunday in Chicago when we didn't get the perfect weather, as I think the whole world knows at this point.
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:47.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:47.440
Definitely.
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:48.800
Okay, we'll we'll get there.
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:50.880
But I I've got to turn it over to you, Lisa.
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:51.920
What that workout.
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:57.199
And I know, Jeff, you're a big like 16-day, 16 days out from race gate guy.
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:11.840
Like I said, I'm not the grand poo-baugh of marathon.
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:16.480
I'm just a guy with a bad accent in a pickup truck who's figured some shit out in the last 26 years.
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:16.960
Okay.
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:24.480
But I like the 16, 17 day taper because the three-week tapers sometimes people start feeling really stale.
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:27.519
Yeah, and then they start having a whole lot.
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.880
The gears and the wheels of self-doubt start turning.
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:31.199
Yeah.
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:38.159
God, that is a that's an insidious, almost um, almost metastatic thought process.
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:40.880
And so I try to keep my athletes out of that.
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:41.760
Does that make sense?
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:42.960
No, that makes total sense.
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:48.079
And I think, again, you're probably working with fairly experienced athletes a lot.
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:50.000
I mean, especially Elise, right?
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:52.079
And it's like, yeah, you don't need three weeks.
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:53.360
Like three weeks is too long.
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:56.239
But Elise, what do you remember about that workout?
00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:00.559
Did it did it give you a ton of confidence going in, or how did you leave that workout feeling?
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:07.519
I did, but I probably did like every time I'm like, okay, well, like this was the workout, but like I did have to stop for like a red light here.
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:11.440
And then like I did, I remember I was like, I had to stop to go to the bathroom.
00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:33.039
Like, I quickly stopped for like one minute, and I was like, does that like you know, like I think it just hadn't even hit because it was just like, you know, you train all like you train all these weeks, and I have to say, this is the first block that I've done where like of course we all have moments where it's like, okay, I'm tired, I miss, but like I've been so fired up for this one.
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:44.480
I think again, it's just all stemming back to like finding my joy, like being outside, like just things that like focusing on the things that are working in my favor instead of maybe the things that aren't.
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:49.599
And I think I ran on the treadmill like once since I don't even know when, eh, Jeff.
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:53.599
Like I have made it a priority to be outside and I I just love it.
00:48:53.760 --> 00:49:01.039
And I knew this was gonna be a big workout, but I also knew like this was the last big one, and I've worked this hard and we're gonna give it.
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:10.000
Um, I was lucky enough to run with the Puma 3 project, and the fast R3s have worked very well for me.
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:14.000
I'm not gonna lie, I'm like every time I put those shoes on, I feel like a star.
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:17.280
So you did that whole workout in them?
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:22.079
I yes, I did full, I all four of my big workouts I did in the shoes.
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:25.519
I just wanted to make sure before race day that they were the shoes for me.
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:27.920
Um, so I did all my big workouts in them.
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:31.440
Okay, well, tell us a little bit more about this Puma project.
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:32.960
What an experience.
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.159
Like I will be just forever grateful.
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:42.400
Like to be connected in a community with such like-minded people from all over the world.
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:48.400
Um, I wish I had more time, maybe to be like more, you know, had been maybe more active in the community.
00:49:48.480 --> 00:50:03.599
I tried to attend the nutrition as well as like the mental uh performance components as much as I could uh within my schedule from home, but just feeling so supported and quite honestly like a celebrity.
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:10.880
And it panned out so nicely for me on race day, um, meeting up with some of these other individuals at the lab.
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:16.320
And truthfully, I think I made my most friends like after the race, we all kind of were gathered.
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:19.119
Um, a lot of them were in the high performance program tent.
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:23.920
And we're already a few of us like planning like when we can meet up together again.
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:37.360
So I'm most grateful for the people it brought me, but there's no doubt I'm also just so grateful for all of you know the shoes that they sent me, the kit, because this is a wonderful sport when I will never, never give up.
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:38.960
It's also very expensive.
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:44.880
So every little bit helps and to truly feel like an elite athlete.
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:53.039
There's no doubt that that was a huge contributor, like to myself, to my confidence and like just my overall being.
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:54.239
So yeah, I felt special.
00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:59.039
Okay, so they gave you some gear, some apparel, what else?
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:05.360
Like what and then support, like nutrition, uh mental skills training, that type of thing.
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:07.440
And wasn't there an incentive?
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:14.400
So sorry, wasn't there an incentive if you had run over three minutes faster than your PR or something too?
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:16.639
Like what all what all was involved in a few years?
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:18.000
And it's truly incredible.
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:22.559
And I give the biggest kudos and shout-outs to the individuals that did.
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:27.920
If you beat your PBE by three minutes on race day, they paid out 3,000 US dollars.
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:34.880
Woo! So that was for the first half of my for the first 19 miles of my race, I was getting excited.
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:40.480
It slowly, you know, had to drift from my mind, and that's okay because I'm still grateful for everything else.
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:48.159
But I do know quite a few athletes that did achieve a PB of three minutes, and on a day like Chicago, like they should be so proud.
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:48.880
Yes.
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.719
Okay, we're gonna get to Chicago in one more question.
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:59.360
So far, listening to the two of you, it's like you're on the same page, on the same page, always on the same page.
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:07.360
I'm curious if there were ever times where uh there was some friction or some tension.
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:13.039
Like, come on, I gotta, I gotta ask about any any times where you know maybe you weren't on the same page.
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:14.800
Like two days ago, Jeff.
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:22.159
Well, so the$3,000 thing came up, right?
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:22.960
That's right.
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:29.679
And it came up in the weeks in the in the in the you know, in the 10 days, week and a half prior to the race.
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:40.320
And um um I happened to know that Elise um um and her husband are both um are both employed.
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:40.880
Okay.
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:47.119
And so I said, we're not going into this race, and I'm not gonna let you act like you're destitute.
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:55.360
We're going to run a race that's gonna be reflective of what um Mother Nature hands us on the day.
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:58.800
Please don't act like you're destitute.
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:06.320
And if you need the money that bad, I will mail you a check if you promise to just execute the race plan, right?
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:08.159
Um, if that's the one.
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:10.239
I'm still waiting on the check, by the way.
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:11.840
Oh my God.
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:13.840
Hey, but Elise, it a final lie.
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.239
Is I think that is what I told you.
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:16.960
Isn't it?
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:20.000
Is that what you remember, Elise?
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:21.760
Is this or is this not true?
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:23.920
Like, will it be here by Friday, Jeff?
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:24.960
That's just my question.
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:28.960
Uh yeah, I'll use I'll I'll use Federal Express.
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:38.159
Okay, well, uh, Jeff, you said you thought she was in for shape for 239.30 to 241.30, like something in that range.
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:49.280
And then because I had athletes in Chicago also, that I was like kind of looking at the weather, and the weather was like starting to creep up there, like especially in race week.
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.559
I was like, holy, it's actually gonna be kind of warm.
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:56.480
It kind of progressively got a little bit worse as the days went by.
00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:56.960
Yep.
00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:09.039
So tell us where your thoughts were at in terms of how to counsel her on this day that now is like not as ideal as, say, uh, like a hu the Houston day, right?
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:10.719
Wasn't that like quite chilly?
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:13.920
Like 36, 36 degrees in high start.
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.480
So it was like literally two degrees Celsius at the start of that.
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:19.039
Yeah, which is perfect for us Canadians.
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:20.159
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:27.360
A little windy that day, but it didn't, the wind didn't turn out to be nearly as bad in Houston that day as what people thought it was gonna be once you got out there.
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:32.960
But the reality of it is this you train for 14, 15, 16 weeks.
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:44.639
Um, even if you're not in, quote, you know, cringy air quotes a marathon block for all 16 weeks, you have at least 16 to 20, sometimes 25 weeks between marathons, right?
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:58.800
And so the problem is when you have that much of an investment in something, you you develop um a psychological marriage to what it is that you want to get done on that day.
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:08.639
And um, I think that the inability to go out and race one all out and then come back and race another one all out 14 days later or 21 days later, right?
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:12.079
Unless your name is CJ Alberts, and like nobody does that, right?
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:16.079
Um, makes us tend to get married and stick to our guns.
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:28.159
And suddenly we become a little bit resistant to accepting what is, and we want to be further invested in what we wish was, right?
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:37.760
And so I I I I I talked to Elise before the race, and I said, listen, man, um the temperature is gonna be about 61 degrees Fahrenheit at the start.
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:45.199
We're gonna get a 57 um uh degree, 58 degree, maybe 60 degree dew point.
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:48.800
We're gonna get a seven to eight seconds per mile.
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:59.440
I forgive me, all of you uh Canadian folks, um, we're looking at about five seconds per kilometer, four and a half, five seconds per K adjustment based on temperature and dew point.
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:03.039
This is not uh Jeff on meteorology.
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:04.639
This is not me making stuff up.
00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:10.000
I simply used what the scientific calculators were telling me, developed by people far smarter than I.
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:14.000
But yeah, you want to know what that's that's great, right?
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:24.800
Um, even when you tell somebody you can't dock, you know, because of gravity, they want to be like, well, gravity ain't gonna affect me when I want to do it, when I want to do it, right?
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:35.840
And so it was that little push pull, little push pull where, you know, and and Elisa's response was, yeah, I you're you're right, and I'm listening to you, but just understand this is really hard for me, right?
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:43.119
Because we knew Elise and I knew that she was in 241 shape, okay.
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:50.320
We knew it coming in down to 239 because keep in mind 605 pace is 239.
00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:54.639
She averaged 557, 556, right?
00:56:54.960 --> 00:57:00.800
For 12 miles, okay, 12, not 11, 12 miles of that last long run.
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:03.280
And it wasn't very hard for her.
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:06.159
As you can see, the 544 last fast mile.
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:15.519
She she we had some gas in the tank, and so it was very justifiable to try to run 240, 241 flat, very, very, very okay.
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:17.119
It's gonna be a little warm.
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:21.119
And I was like, oh, coach has the weeb jeebies here, you know.
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:23.199
And this is the never-ending.
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:30.320
I mean, I cannot tell you how many times I've had this conversation, like as a coach, as an athlete, because you're very right.
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:33.360
We get married to like, I want to hit this goal.
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:39.039
We usually, a lot of people will decide their goal like before the block even begins.
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:40.559
Like, I this number sounds great.
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:41.440
I want to run this.
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:43.599
This is like a cool milestone, whatever.
00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:46.480
I totally get it as an athlete.
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:49.039
Um, so Elise, what happened?
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:53.840
Like, take us to that moment where you're seeing the forecast come in, you're talking to Jeff.
00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:58.320
He's like, I know we're, I know you're in 241 shape, but let's just be a little cautious.
00:57:58.400 --> 00:57:59.679
How does that land for you?
00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:00.719
What do you remember?
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:01.840
It's so hard.
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:05.119
The one word I can think of is coachable.
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:08.239
Because I hope you take this as a compliment, Jeff.
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:14.079
But we both know, like, you are somebody that like I will banter with.
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:16.079
Like, I will, I will challenge you.
00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:23.519
Even though you have 30 years experience and I have two, I'm still gonna think that I know more than you sometimes.
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:26.000
So make no mistake about it.
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:27.519
You are smarter than me.
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:30.239
I mean, that that that's not even up for debate.
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:34.639
But yeah, you guys touched on it perfectly.
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:42.639
It's just like I I tend to not really look at the weather like that much because it, like, again, it's just, I don't know, it's something I can't control.
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.840
And it's just like, you know, potentially gonna stress me out.
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:49.599
And I'm just always like positive, like, oh, maybe that'll feel like this.
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:52.000
And I do like warmer.
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.000
Like, I'm laughing when you're like, oh, like Houston.
00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:55.440
I'm like, I was dying in Houston.
00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:58.320
I had like mitts on, I couldn't open my gels.
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:03.519
Like, in hindsight, like it ended up working well, but I was like, I was miserable for a lot.
00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:09.840
So sometimes when I hear the heat, I'm like, I do recall also telling Jeff, like, don't worry, Jeff, like I can handle the heat.
00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:11.920
Yeah, we'll talk about that later.
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:15.440
But, you know, like I trust him.
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:17.679
I think I we talked about this as well.
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:22.880
I'm like, it's very hard for me because I'm not um, I don't look at my watch a lot.
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:28.719
I think again, that's just that's just a training tactic that keeps me calm and I go by effort.
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:35.920
And I know I've I know in my mind, like at the end of the day, like I've got that mental side and I will I will fight quite hard.
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:40.639
So um I do like we'll talk, like we'll get into this.
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:46.639
Like obviously there there's important times that we should be looking at our watches, but I I took his advice.
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:56.079
I wasn't about to like, you know, not go with it, but I just knew I'm like, I can't write these numbers down on my arm because that's just gonna like I can't write stuff down, it's gonna stress me out.
00:59:56.239 --> 01:00:02.320
But we talked about like look at your watch at the first mile, like see where you're at, like see, you know, see how you feel.
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:05.119
So that was like my game plan going in.
01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:13.119
And I probably underestimated the heat because it did get quite hot, but it didn't get quite hot till later.
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:27.199
So um it's just yeah, like we'll get into it, but I think a lot of a lot of positives came from that race because it shows you what you're capable of until you aren't, but you have to know that you still achieve that, even though that wasn't the final product, right?
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:28.079
Yeah, yeah.
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:30.000
And so take us through the race a little bit.
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:33.760
Like, did you split your watch or or take a peek at mile one?
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:34.480
And what was it?
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:37.119
And this was how did that compare with the plan?
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:39.119
I am not a technology person.
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:40.400
Like, bless my husband.
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:43.840
He figured out how we could put a Spotify playlist on my garment.
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.960
I'm like, oh my god, I can run a race and not like carry my phone.
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:50.159
Like, I've always carried my phone with like six gels.
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:53.199
Like I'm very inefficient, but we found that out.
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:57.760
But like when Jeff said just like, yeah, split the you, I was like, What?
01:00:57.920 --> 01:00:58.800
Like, what button is that?
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:00.800
And I was like, I can't test that out on race day.
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.039
So he when he was like, Yeah, just look at the mile marker.
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:05.039
I'm like, but of course.
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:08.639
Um, and everybody says it 100% true.
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:10.719
Like your watch is all over the place.
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:18.239
Like, I don't look at my watch often, but like within the first mile, I was running a 425 mile, but like just kidding, it was actually 1058.
01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:20.400
But oh look, like we're back to 820.
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:22.960
So like it was helpful to look.
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:25.519
But um I don't know.
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:28.559
I don't know if we call it like an error.
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:36.400
I don't know what we call it, but like I ran to effort at that time because that truthfully that's all I could do in that span of time.
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:50.880
And I felt so, so, so good till mile about 18, and that's when I could start to feel mile 16, I could start to feel my quads, and I was like, ooh, I know what this means.
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:54.559
Um, I did do something out of the ordinary and it worked in my favor.
01:01:54.639 --> 01:02:01.519
I actually started the race with a hydro flask, and I had two cups of like Morton 320 and like Element in there.
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:06.480
So I thank God I did that because it probably at least got me to that point.
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:09.760
But um we learn things with every race, right?
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:12.480
And I definitely haven't done a marathon this hot.
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:17.360
So we we learned a lot, but I do think there's something to be said for effort too.
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:21.360
If you are like a nervous runner like I am, like I don't know, give it a shot.
01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:24.880
It's always worth trying different things, and that's just something that works for me.
01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:27.280
And like I I've said this already.
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:31.280
If you have not run Chicago, like that is one electric race.
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:33.519
Like that crowd is pulling you through.
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:37.039
And one thing I'll say, it was it was so special.
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:56.800
And um, I don't mean this in like any braggy type of way, but as a woman in that race, being just surrounded by men the whole race, like when people see a women like a woman, like they were the first to like call out my bow, like call out my number, and it truly it kept me go kept me going for so long.
01:02:57.039 --> 01:02:58.320
So awesome.
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:05.760
Okay, now Jeff, from my understanding, you weren't there, you were watching at home on the tracker as many of us were.
01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:12.559
Take us uh through your kind of recollection of the race as you start to see this first split didn't come in until 5k.
01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:15.440
I think we got every 5k, we got the halfway split.
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:17.440
Um what are you what are you thinking?
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:18.960
Or are you as nervous as me?
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:30.320
Like I have like however many to the max people I'm following, every single marathon that comes around, I'm just like following 50 people and um I'm just obsessed with seeing the splits come in.
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:42.079
Yeah, I had about 12 people on my tracker, and um, you know, it's one of these things where um um I saw 612 come in for the first 5k split.
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:44.079
Um, our plan was 615.
01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:47.039
That's that's minimal, so you don't worry about that.
01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:54.880
Uh, and then I saw 608 come in um at five miles, and I thought to myself, okay, she's rolling a little quick here.
01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:56.159
Let's be careful.
01:03:56.400 --> 01:04:02.079
Then we saw 610, and I thought, well, maybe she tried to slow back down because that was just a mile 1.2 later.
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:15.840
But then I looked at the next 3.1 miles and she ran 607 pace, and then for the next 3.1 miles, she ran 606 pace, and I thought, oh boy, she's running like 239 high, 240 pace.
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:19.840
And I thought to myself, she's going for the$3,000.
01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:20.480
Right.
01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:29.519
So I called, I called, I called the I called the SJHW and I said, SJ, SJ, she's going for the$3,000.
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:33.440
And SJ's like, yep, think so.
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:36.719
And I'm like, well, we're gonna see how this goes.
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:43.280
Um, I looked here, uh, you were um uh 120-24 at the half marathon.
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:46.960
You were on 240-48 pace at the half, right?
01:04:47.360 --> 01:05:04.239
Um, and uh, but then I saw 612 come in, but then I saw 610 at 15.5 miles, and I thought to myself, holy cannoli, are we, you know, she's really, really ripping into this thing, you know.
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:13.679
But then, like you said, I think what happens is, you know, we have the um actual temperature, but those weather veins and those thermometers are not 24 inches from the pavement.
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:15.039
They're they're they're up higher.
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:18.480
So you're getting the air temperature, but you're not getting what's the real feel.
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:27.360
And in Chicago and other large municipalities, anywhere you are, when the sun is beating down, right, then the pavement is gonna be much warmer than the air.
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So you're getting those thermal.
01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:35.119
So the real fuel was 75 up to 80 degrees Fahrenheit by the time you know we got into the late stages of this race.
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:40.719
And I think that that um um probably got a lot of runners just a little bit coming home.
01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:45.280
It just didn't get Sarah because she's so uh, well, you're not Sarah.
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:55.920
It didn't get Sarah because she didn't race, but it didn't get Elise as much as other runners because she's just so supremely fit and um literally tougher than raw meat and nails.
01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:59.599
And so Elise just hung on um in a way that.
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:06.480
Was really, really inspiring for me as a coach, you know, to sort of see, especially sort of the last 12 kilometers, you know.
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:10.480
And I think Chicago's particularly interesting.
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:15.280
I like you make a good point about the yeah, the real feel like closer to the the ground.
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:18.480
Um, but also correct me if I'm wrong.
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:30.800
I ran it in 2024 and I felt like it was kind of more shady in the first part, and then it's like 20 miles, like right when the marathon is like becoming the marathon, it actually kind of opens up and is a bit like exposed.
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:38.400
And so if it is sunny, if it is whatever, any of the elements just compound at a point in the race where the race is just getting hard anyway.
01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:44.320
What did you did you feel that, Elise, at kind of after 20 that it was like sunnier and hotter?
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:49.199
Honestly, I I like now that you say that, I'm like, yeah, yeah.
01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:56.400
Um, but I think by like especially mile 21, 22, I just entered, I don't know what you call it.
01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:58.800
Like it wasn't even so much the pain cave.
01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:04.159
Like my quads were seizing, but not like not to the point that I had to pull over.
01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:06.880
But it's like it's a total mind game.
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:14.880
I don't know if anyone else does this, but like I just think the craziest things, like I'm like, you have five miles left, like you do this in your sleep.
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:15.599
Like, let's go.
01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:16.800
No, that's too hard.
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:17.599
Let's break it down.
01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:22.800
We're gonna do like we're gonna do like two 2.5 miles, and like, so here we go.
01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:25.280
Like, you've done 2.5 miles, like we're just gonna do it.
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:28.159
You're focusing on everybody else, like around you.
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:33.360
But like Jeff said, it's it's so hard when you're feeling that way.
01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:47.679
And I'm like, meanwhile, like I'm still I'm getting passed by people, but I'm also passing people, and it's just such a tough spot in the race because you're feeling the feels, you're feeling the feels for everybody else, but you just you just want to be done.
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:49.280
Yeah, exactly.
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:56.559
And and I think like what Jeff said, it's you did you held on incredibly well.
01:07:56.719 --> 01:08:04.079
Like, I guess you were on that sub 241 through halfway, and then I would call it a fade.
01:08:04.159 --> 01:08:08.639
I wouldn't call it like a blow-up by any stretch of the imagination.
01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:11.679
Well, there was no meltdown, there was no meltdown at all.
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:17.039
Yeah, and but like just that feeling is so tough to to gut through.
01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:18.239
But you did it at the St.
01:08:18.399 --> 01:08:19.199
Lawrence Marathon.
01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:21.439
You did like you have been here before, right?
01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:23.520
Like you know how to close out a race.
01:08:23.600 --> 01:08:27.439
Like that's what makes you so tough and makes you so fun to follow, I think.
01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:35.680
Um, but just overall, how are the both of you sort of reflecting on this race and where you go from here after after this result?
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:38.960
You crossed in 2431.
01:08:39.119 --> 01:08:42.800
So a one minute and seven second personal test.
01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:44.079
Yeah.
01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:46.079
Yeah.
01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:48.479
And listen, here's here, here's the deal.
01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:54.960
You take the um uh the seven to eight second adjustment that I told her we were gonna have to take.
01:08:55.039 --> 01:08:56.960
That's three to three and a half minutes.
01:08:57.119 --> 01:08:57.439
Okay.
01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:08.239
Um, you know, uh uh, so 43, 4331 minus three is 4030, minus three and a half is literally 240 flat.
01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:11.199
So um the assessment was correct.
01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:21.199
Uh uh uh uh uh Elise and I were correct in knowing that she was in 23930 to 24130 shape in that two-minute window.
01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:23.439
That actually empirically is correct.
01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:26.079
If you just science this thing up, right?
01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:43.359
If it had been 40, 45 degrees with the same with the same uh uh single-digit wins that we had, there's no doubt that um um sub 241 happens, um, all things staying the same last Sunday, right?
01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:47.359
Which means she's exactly as fit as we had hoped to get in.
01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:59.439
She's was exactly um as tough, she was exactly as prepared, she was exactly the dogging competitor, the passionate competitor that I knew that she's been since the first day that I coached her.
01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:09.199
Um, Mother Nature obviously has to be accounted for, but that was by a long margin, the greatest race, uh you know, at least you've ever run.
01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:11.199
By a fairly large margin.
01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:12.239
Heck yes.
01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:33.199
And I think like I touched on it earlier, Carolyn, but just when you feel so good doing something, like the way I felt for the first 20 miles, like it's almost just confidence that you can do it, and it's excitement to look to the future because there are also a lot of things that I can improve on, like I can continue to learn on.
01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:38.720
And I love being a forever learner in whatever I do in life, and this is one of them.
01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:45.359
And it's it's so wonderful to finish a race and genuinely be so excited for like what's next to come.
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:50.319
Like, no fear, no, you know, it's just like it's total excitement.
01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:55.760
Well, it sounds like mission accomplished for uh finding the joy in it again.
01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:58.960
Um, I have to think fall marathons for the win.
01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:06.720
I don't know if you're thinking of putting a spring marathon on your calendar, but whoo! Uh spring marathons are hard when we live where we live.
01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:10.000
Um, but um, I'm curious what some of those learnings are.
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:16.479
Like if you had to kind of pluck one or two of them off the top of your head, uh, what did you learn most in this film?
01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:19.680
Oh gosh, so much.
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:22.560
Well, one, like obviously, like it's always fueling.
01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:45.039
I'm always gonna be like the worst fueler, but I think it's like we've done the coldest of cold races in Houston, but like just learning, like even in Canada when we have like those 30 degree days, like I can typically hold well, but I'm like, there's a difference between holding well in a workout or like long, easy miles than a legitimate race.
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:50.399
So um definitely need to look into especially like myself personally, like electrolytes.
01:11:50.479 --> 01:12:01.199
Like, I think I may I well no, I know I'm a very salty sweater, so I need to find a way to better, you know, keep my quads from seizing and just find better ways.
01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:08.399
Um, but there's fueling's always a good one.
01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:11.600
I feel like nobody is like all the way there with fueling.
01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:21.600
Like anyone that I coach, I'm always like making little tiny increments, like whether it's like the um maybe they've been taking a uh a gel every like 35 minutes.
01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:24.880
It's like, okay, well, we need to get that down to like 30, 25.
01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:29.359
Like there's always just something more that you can do and you can't bite it all off at once.
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:30.399
I don't find.
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:36.399
And so every, every time you go at it, it's just like, ooh, we'll we'll try this and we'll just pull this little lever.
01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:46.159
But Jeff, is there anything that comes to mind for you as far as learnings or as you look ahead, what little things you might try next time and what is next?
01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:55.359
Well, you know, from my standpoint, I, you know, would would uh would mirror the assessment that getting better at fueling, but you know, we can always get better at fueling.
01:12:55.439 --> 01:13:02.720
And, you know, the minute you think you have fueling nailed, then you do it the same way the next time, and for some reason things go badly.
01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:04.319
Welcome to the marathon, right?
01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:09.600
But generally speaking, at least is you know, you're a lot better at it now than you were a year ago.
01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:23.760
And at the end of the day, if we can just get a little bit better each block, it's one of the things that's gonna be central to helping get these sort of almost microscopic uh little improvements, because you know, we're done getting 10-minute improvements in the marathon at this point, right?
01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:51.039
Um, but you know, I think just um um, you know, understanding that um every day isn't gonna be perfect, every workout's not gonna feel great when you are a nurse and you've got a family and you've got three kids, and you're dedicated to ensuring that the kids are having a wonderful uh childhood and getting them to the sporting events and getting to the water park and doing all the fun stuff, right?
01:13:51.199 --> 01:14:05.199
Then you've got to really, really be good at time management, get used to the ebb and flow that could impact you from a workout uh here to a uh to an easy run there to even a race, you know, occasionally.
01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:07.199
But that's okay, you know.
01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:12.800
But here's a young lady who was the uh the third Canadian um finisher, right?
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:25.840
Um at uh the Chicago Marathon, um, ran a PR on a day when PRs did not come easily, even to some of the most elite marathoners, many of whom, several of whom I just dropped out of the race.
01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:37.119
And, you know, to be the 40th woman across the line in a race that had upwards of 15,000, 20,000 women, I would have to go and check and see the exact number.
01:14:37.359 --> 01:14:40.399
Um, that's that's that's remarkable.
01:14:40.479 --> 01:14:42.479
And that's elite by any standard.
01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:48.479
And what you have to understand is that elite humans with elite dedication and elite passion can do elite things, right?
01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:51.039
Um, so we're just gonna keep getting better at this.
01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:52.479
I'm gonna be a better coach.
01:14:52.720 --> 01:14:54.079
She's gonna be a better runner.
01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:57.760
She challenges me in the zaniest, most funny ways, right?
01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:05.840
Um, when uh uh when Elise, when you said that, oh my God, I, you know, I I you're not gonna be, I just had the craziest things coming to my mind.
01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:16.479
And I'm like, you know, there's a few things that I find difficult to believe in life, but one of the easiest things for me to believe is that Elise thought something crazy.
01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:20.079
That's the one thing that I've learned in the last year, right?
01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:23.039
I'm always gonna be on my toes and always laughing.
01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:27.279
It's always respectful and good humor, and it's really hysterical.
01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:36.000
And to coach uh, you know, um, a young lady uh to being the third Canadian finisher at a world major, that means a lot to me as a coach.
01:15:36.079 --> 01:15:40.640
And at the end of the day, man, like I tell everybody, I've got a daughter and I've got a wife that love me, right?
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I've got enough love in my life.
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What I love and what makes me excited is seeing y'all so happy, is to hear the tears of joy that you cried when you got on the phone with me after that race.
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And for that, that leaves me fired up because that was a job well done on Elise's part.
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Me?
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Yeah, I just said go run down the road.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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No, I I'll push back on that.
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It's a team effort all the way through and through.
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Like you don't get to that level without coaches that have to believe in you sometimes before you can believe in yourself.
01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:22.479
But Elise, I love how Canadian Running always puts out this, yeah, this top 10 list and everything.
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So it comes out, you're number three, third Canadian woman across the line, um, 40th woman overall.
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Like, I know we don't run specifically for these things or the the accolades or or anything like that, but like what did that mean to you when you saw that come out?
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What the next day or two days later?
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I truly don't even know if it's sunken.
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Um so appreciative.
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Because when my kids heard 40th, they were like, oh, like 40th?
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Like, oh, good job.
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Kids will always be the least impressed by anything.
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I'm just saying.
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They will humble us like no other, won't they?
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Oh it's just like it's just incredible because I think like the best part about it, well, the best part was like I have two very good friends that were also on that list.
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And not only that, like seeing new names, like I just love that Canada is continue, like continuously like producing such like elite, not only athletes, but elite humans.
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And it's just like it's so exciting to like meet up with you know, um, with these women and these men at races.
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Like, you know, I had the opportunity to meet Thomas Knobbs.
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Like, look at his performance.
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Like he's been continuously PBing throughout the the entire year.
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And uh I just like it's an honor to be in such a place with these elite individuals.
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And uh like I said, this one's very near and dear to my heart.
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It's you know, it's still sinking in.
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Like I still haven't looked at my race photos.
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I still haven't missed, and I just feel like every time you look at those, like it takes you back and memories pour in.
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And uh this one was super, super special for me, especially having my mom there and cheering.
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She actually walked across the city and I saw her at mile 13, and I think it was such a pick-me-up and special moment for us.
01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:22.960
So I'm so that's impressive because mile 13 is loud, and there are a lot of people at mile 13, if I recall correctly.
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So the fact that you even heard your mom is is pretty impressive.
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But um, yeah, okay.
01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:36.079
Well, uh am I allowed to ask what's next, or are you still sort of soaking in this?
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And I'm hoping that this is just one of like 49 part recap on Instagram.
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I know I I live for your Instagram recaps.
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You've put one or two up already, but I I hope it's not over.
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Haven't even started.
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I need to get going.
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I'm sorry.
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Oh, I thought you put something up.
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Maybe it was a story.
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Probably.
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I'll get like I'll get like right in there.
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I'm still waiting for her to send me all the non-down step photos.
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What's this?
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I'm still waiting for you to send me all the non-down step photos.
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And she's still waiting for you to send her$3,000.
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You're getting nothing from me till I get that from you.
01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:17.680
Carolyn, do you see, do you do you see what I put up with here?
01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:18.479
I see.
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I see what you I'm actually in like having so much joy in this conversation because it's like I get to see the athlete coach dynamic play out, but it's like it's not me as the athlete or me as the coach.
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So I'm just the fly on the wall to to just you wait till I start sending the like pro-con list of like this race versus this race.
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Yeah, we should do this, but we should do this because of this, and it will go on and on.
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And maybe he'll respond, maybe he won't.
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Oh, oh, I'm sure the first thing she's gonna say is the cons of this race is that your coach is gonna call you the night before the race and tell you to run slower than you want to run.
01:19:56.640 --> 01:20:03.680
You know, I mean, you know, if you hey, if you want top shelf negativism, you get Jeff Cunningham to coach you.
01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:06.399
Well, he'll he'll destroy your hopes and dreams.
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We thought Jeff like spoke belief into his athletes, but apparently he just crushes everybody's soul the day before the race.
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Exactly.
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At the end at the end of the day, I can't ignore science, you know.
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I know there is nobody more science or math than Jeff Cunningham, that's for sure.
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Exactly.
01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:27.039
Well, I mean, it's uh October as we're sitting here speaking.
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Is there gonna be a spring marathon on the list?
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And or what what what are you what are you thinking?
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Going ahead.
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My poor, my poor family, eh?
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I'm just like yeah, yeah.
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Oh, I don't see how there can't be.
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The juices are flowing, we're ready to rock again, eh Jeff?
01:20:44.720 --> 01:20:45.840
Yeah, we're ready to rock.
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We're gonna figure out what makes sense, you know.
01:20:48.159 --> 01:20:57.520
Um, I would talk in to a lot of my Canadian peeps because um I coach so many of you guys, and you're just all brilliant and amazing humans.
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Um, so we're thinking about something where we could get a little bit of outdoor time at the tail end of the block.
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You know what I mean?
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And so I would love like a very late April into May type race where maybe we can sneak outside for three or four weeks, at least maybe intermittently, you know, so that you can get some vitamin D and sort of get this rejuvenation a little bit that just comes with breathing that outdoor air instead of the purple people leader, purple monster, you know, uh planet fitness treadmill air, you know.
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Um, but yeah, we'll we'll we'll figure it out.
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Yeah, we'll figure it out.
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I love it.
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But you know, there's still there's still rules to this.
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There's no rules to this because you know, Elise is um just an absolutely unbelievable mother, um, um, is an empath, um, and is a consummate professional, brilliant nurse.
01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:59.600
Um, um, I've met um her uh her better 75%, you know, when we were um at McCurdy, and he he's uh, you know, he's a saint, Vatican called.
01:21:59.920 --> 01:22:02.479
It's it's it's it's um it's done.
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Um no, but the reality is is she's just so good at so many things, they got so much going on that running is not gonna be defining.
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It's simply a meaningful, joyful, elite, elite adjunct to what is already a very, very full, um um um admirable, inspiring life that she leads.
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And that's what I love most.
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So oh, I love this.
01:22:28.319 --> 01:22:30.000
And uh I would agree.
01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:35.359
I I think the two of you make such an awesome team, um, such a zany, awesome team.
01:22:35.439 --> 01:22:43.199
I think we've had zany come up for as a descriptor for well, for Elise, but I think we could throw you in there too, Jeff.
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Um, I love that you're putting Brockville on the map or continuing to put Brockville on the map.
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Like far as Ellie.
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We just for those of you who don't know, Elise and I are from the same very small hometown, and there's been a few elite runners come out of that town, but uh it's it's really great to see you continuing to represent Brockville.
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So a big huge congratulations to the two of you for this performance because it truly is a team effort.
01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:17.760
And thank you both because you two both know you're such an important part of this process for me.
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So I wouldn't be here without you both.
01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:22.560
Jeff, any parting words?
01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:26.319
Give us a monologue, just give us a Jeff Cunningham monologue to lay.
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Something funny, too much emotion right now.
01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:33.119
Nah, I love um, I love coaching and it's so fulfilling, you know.
01:23:33.199 --> 01:23:37.920
Um, like I always tell everybody, I'm a dirtbag lawyer, and that's what keeps the roof from leaking.
01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:43.279
But, you know, for both uh my wife Anjalique and me, uh coaching has filled our cup.
01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:46.720
It's been um um I'm life-giving.
01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:52.960
Um, it has been soul sort of nourishing for uh two and a half decades, right?
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For both Anjali and me.
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And the reality is, is when I got into this space and you know, I had one Canadian, then two Canadians, and then now I'm like friends with Canadians.
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Um, I tell you what, you guys make this whole Texas boys life so fulfilling.
01:24:07.279 --> 01:24:12.159
Y'all are funny, and um, I tell you what, old Canada makes North America a better place, baby.
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Love you guys a lot.
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Yeah, good peeps, man.
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Hey, and what are they doing over there in Brockville, man?
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They're cranking out some good humans over there.
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Let's hear it.
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Let's hear it for Brockville.
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Yeah, 2020.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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