ÜBER DIESE EPISODE
In this episode of Insights@Work, Shawna Gee welcomes Heather Haslam, vice president of marketing for ADP Canada, to discuss the Happiness@Work Index. Dive into the insights on what makes workers in Canada happy and areas where improvements can be made. Learn about the evolution of the Index over the past two years and discover intriguing trends, including the surprising happiness levels across different regions and generations.
We explore the positive impact of work-life balance, flexibility, and career advancement options, and why understanding employee sentiments is crucial for better business decisions. Heather shares how external factors, like economic changes and seasonality, influence workplace happiness and why knowing what matters to each employee is key to engagement and productivity.
This episode provides valuable perspectives on how leaders and employees alike can enhance workplace satisfaction. Tune in to gain a deeper understanding of the factors driving happiness at work and explore opportunities for growth and improvement.
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Music.
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Welcome to the Insights at Work podcast. My name is Shauna G.
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In this month's edition, we're delighted to welcome Heather Haslam,
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Vice President of Marketing for ADP Canada to the podcast.
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In this episode, we talk about the Happiness at Work Index.
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Listen in and learn what makes workers in Canada happy.
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And on the other side of the coin, where we could improve. We hope you enjoyed the episode.
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Heather, welcome to Insights at Work. Thank you so much for having me.
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I've been super excited about talking about the ADP Canada Happiness at Work Index.
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And I know that a number of our listeners have probably heard your voice before.
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You've joined me for a few different episodes, one being the annual review at the end of last year.
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So if you haven't checked that one out, folks, go take a peek, take a listen.
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And you also act as a spokesperson for the ADP Canada Happiness at Work Index.
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So perhaps folks have seen you out there in the news media. So thank you for joining us.
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I'm certainly not a star, but I do love to talk about the happiness at work.
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It makes a big difference for how it is that we spend our time when we're not
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working as well as when we are working. Absolutely.
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And interestingly, the happiness at work index is,
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has just had its second birthday. Very exciting stuff.
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So I thought today we could take some time and we could talk about the Happiness
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at Work Index, the evolution of it,
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any potential trends that we've seen over the last two years,
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and maybe just dive into a few personal anecdotes and see how happiness levels
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stack up with you and your team.
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That sounds amazing, Shawna. Despite the fact that I get to talk about the ADP
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happiness at work index all the time. And it is having this birthday,
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which is amazing, two years in the market and going.
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I don't think we can assume that all of the listeners know what it is that we're talking about.
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So can I just take a minute and share what the index is and why it is that we do it?
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Absolutely. On a monthly basis, ADP Canada works with a company to go out and
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speak to workers in Canada.
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So that's both part-time and full-time workers, as well as workers that are
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working for themselves and working in an organization.
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And the index is a sentiment. It's essentially tapping into how workers in Canada
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are feeling about the workplace. And it spits out a score.
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And the score is made up of two parts. The first half is made up of directly
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the answer to one question.
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How are you feeling in your current role and responsibility?
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How happy are you? And then the second half is made up of what we refer to as
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the secondary indicators.
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So answers to questions about how you feel about work-life balance,
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around compensation, recognition, and support, as well as career advancement
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and career development opportunities.
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And so together, both of those make up this score.
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And why I'm so excited about the birthday is that on this monthly basis,
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we're able to slice data and provide the insights by both region,
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so by different provinces, as well as by different generation.
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You know, how boomers are feeling are different than Gen Z, say.
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And so being able to provide this data to two folks on an ongoing basis helps
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people understand what is the sentiment of workers.
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And the why always is the like, What's the value of this?
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When people leaders, HR folks, business owners.
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Executives, when those that support employees working in Canada really understand
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some of the nuances and the trends and understand the factors that are driving
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happiness, they're able to better manage.
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Better business decisions, first and foremost. And so it's about,
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in a real-time way, empowering and equipping folks with this information so
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that they can use it for their purposes within their organization.
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And the value of, you know, a lot of people say, like, happiness,
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why, you know, why happiness?
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Happiness is directly related to engagement.
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When we are in a workplace, Shauna that we feel, again, tapping into those four
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secondary indicators, when we feel that we're being paid fairly,
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when we feel that we're being supported,
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when we feel like we're being recognized for really good work,
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we tend to be really engaged.
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We're more what I normally refer to as jazzed about the work that we're doing.
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And that engagement, why it's really important, isn't just because,
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you know, the community's happier and we're better in our workplaces.
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It goes straight to the bottom line.
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It's good for us as employees on the happiness front, but it's good for us around
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organizations because those companies that report out higher engagements have higher profits,
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have more improved productivity, have less turnover.
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So happiness, this idea, this sentiment around how it is that we're feeling
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in the workplace is really important to understand.
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And I know you said two years, I'm just I'm excited because we now are starting
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to see the annual ebbs and flows, if you will, about the happiness index.
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Awesome. So let's talk about that a little bit, the natural ebbs and flows that seem to happen.
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I know in reviewing some of the data over the past two years,
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I noticed that folks in January were I think I think they were actually happier year over year.
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It seemed to be it was a happier month, which is a little bit counterintuitive
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when you think about it. most people tend to think of January as kind of drab.
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And I noticed too, as people, as the index moves into the spring,
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it seems like people get a little boost in their happiness. And is that correct?
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What are some trends that you have noticed over the last couple of years in terms of seasonality?
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I warmly refer to it as the patio season impact because we're tapping into workers in Canada.
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And because we have very, very different weather patterns, you know,
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when we when the weather gets warmer, when we're able to spend more time outside,
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we tend to actually see this boost in happiness.
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Now, we don't ask the question around, you know, hey, are you happier because
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we're we're able to go sit on patios.
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But the truth is, yeah, we've seen repeatedly that as Once weather gets warmer,
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we tend to have this increase in happiness.
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But there are a whole pile of trends that are super interesting around seasonality.
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One thing that's become clear is that what's happening outside of the workplace,
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impacts what's happening inside the workplace.
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So we've seen changes when there's been economic changes, when,
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you know, a perfect example is the wildfires.
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Everybody can remember when there was, you know, a terrible time last year when
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we were dealing with wildfires.
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Just interestingly enough, not necessarily, you know, I can't prove a causation,
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but there's a high correlation. When you're dealing with stressful things outside
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of the workplace, it impacts how it is that you show up inside the workplace.
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And so the trends aren't just seasonality ongoing in terms of,
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hey, when the weather gets better, we tend to be happier.
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It's also tied to what are the things that are happening outside of the workplace
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that impact how we feel, right?
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So, and economic changes, right, in terms of when we've seen increase in inflation,
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all of a sudden, you know, scores dip around compensation and benefits.
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Because, you know, simply put, when inflation is high, and you are just having
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more output, in other words,
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you know, the cost of groceries, I'm not going to get on the cost of groceries,
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but I could, you know, when those increase significantly,
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what's happening is, If your inputs haven't changed, you're more crunched for money.
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And so those are all the things that even outside of just regular annual seasonality.
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Yes, what impacts you outside of work definitely, in my opinion,
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is going to impact you inside the walls of your workplace.
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Are there regional differences within the index? Is there measurement for different provinces?
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And who's the happiest?
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So regions tend to sway more than generations.
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Quebecers, off the top of my head, certainly. it's
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not necessarily every single month they're at the
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top of the happiness index but fairly
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you know fairly consistently they they have kind of been the winners to happiness
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by region the east coast is as well but there's often these shifts around you
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know second place if you will for happiness.
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And sadly, speaking to you from Toronto, Ontario, Ontario and the central region
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really tends to be at the lower end of happiness fairly consistently.
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Again, there are always exceptions and we do, we can point to things that are
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happening outside of the workplace by province that we suspect are correlated
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to happiness within the workplace.
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But overall, Quebecers, East Coast folks are happier and Ontario's at the bottom
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of the leaderboard, if you will. But I'm a marketer, Shauna.
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So I'm going to turn that into it just means that there's an opportunity.
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It just means that, you know, I always joke that I, when my son Abram comes
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home with his report card, I'm supposed to focus on the happy, the highest grades.
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But, you know, I do often go to the lowest grade and say, what happened there?
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So it is an opportunity to focus on where are we regionally least happy and
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understanding and speaking to our employees about what it is that's driving
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that so that we can make shifts and changes.
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Absolutely. That makes tons of sense.
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Interesting to hear that our friends in Quebec and on the East Coast tend to
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roll a little bit higher in terms of the happiness scale.
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It'd be really interesting to potentially someday take a deeper dive into that
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and understand the real nuts and bolts as to why that is. Very interesting.
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I know you mentioned generations as well, and rumor has it that one generation
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has really maintained the crown as the happiest generation. Can you share any insights about that?
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Very clearly, and without, I don't think any exception, month after month,
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since inception, boomers are the happiest.
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Boomers are scoring always at the top of the leaderboard in terms of their sentiment.
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And that's, again, made up of both their simple answer to how it is that they're
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feeling in their current role and responsibility, as well as all of those secondary factors.
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And we, when you dive into those, like, why is it the boomers are so happy?
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What can you, you know, their happiness and their sentiment about a career advancement is high.
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When there's less of your career in front of you, you put less waiting and priority on that, right?
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Certainly, you know, work-life balance is very critical.
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It is actually critical to all of us working in Canada. But there are trends
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around boomers that really help us understand, yeah, they're doing really well.
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And so we need to take a page from boomers in order to understand what are the
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things that we can do to help support younger generations in the workplace in
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order to improve their happiness, driving engagement and driving productivity.
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That brings up an excellent point.
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Obviously, boomers being the more seasoned individuals in the workforce,
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many of them eyeing retirement or their second act in terms of what their career is.
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Maybe it looks a little bit different than working, you know,
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a nine to five or working inside of a traditional organization.
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Maybe they were moved to something part time. Maybe they're fully retiring.
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It could look different for each individual. But in contrast,
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when you look at the younger generation in the workforce that are Gen Z, Gen Z folks.
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I noticed that sometimes they are actually really close to boomers and happiness.
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And then other times they swing to the bottom of the list. They seem to have
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some variability in their scoring, not quite as consistent, but end up on both ends of the spectrum.
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Can you think of any reasons or trends around why that may be or where you actually
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see those swings happen in terms of Gen Z?
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Like, do they tend to be happier in June than January?
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I'm not sure if you have that data specifically, but really curious how the
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younger generation fits into the mix in terms of the Workplace Happiness Index.
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Yeah, there is more variability with Gen Z.
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One of the things that I think when I share the boomers are the happiest, we tend to assume that.
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Directly boomers are the happiest and then our Gen Xers would be the next happiest
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and then millennials and then Gen Z would be the least happy.
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It's not at all the case at all.
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So in Gen Z, and so that's kind of 18 to 26-ish, workers in Canada have significant swings.
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We do see the external, potentially seasonal factors impacting Gen Z more than boomers.
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So, you know, I highlighted patio season, for instance.
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We do see that when weather gets better across the country, you know,
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we see these increases in Gen Z scores.
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You know, May, June, July all tend to be in the kind of what I'll say the 7.0 range.
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Again, not as high as boomers who, you know, like that sit at 7.2 or 7.3,
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but they do tend to swing with the weather more than Xers and millennials.
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I also want to share with you, it's not linear in terms of age.
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Gen Xers, even though I'm not supposed to focus on the bottom of the report
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card. Yes, boomers are the highest.
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Gen X, consistently.
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Are at the bottom of the happiness index from a generation perspective.
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They are fairly consistently the lowest score, and it doesn't really fluctuate.
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It's anywhere between what I'll say is 6.3, has gone as high as 6.6,
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but never broaching anywhere near boomers, or for that matter,
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any of the other generations.
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They are consistently at the bottom of the leaderboard. How interesting.
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I wonder, and this is just, of course, my opinion,
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anecdotal evidence perhaps from my own life,
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but I do wonder if perhaps the reasoning behind some of that is really tied
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to life stage in terms of most Gen Xers at this stage are either facing the
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impact of aging parents and potentially losing parents,
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as well as managing.
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In some cases, children still and coming up through a difficult stage of teenagehood,
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most likely if you're a Gen Xer for the most part, or a little bit older in
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their journey into adulthood.
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So I can imagine that along with potentially looking ahead to get to that stage
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of being in a position to retire like our boomer friends,
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there's probably some financial pressure mixed in there as well in terms of
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how do they maximize their income and managing all these responsibilities and
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still meet that goal of retirement at whatever stage they have set that for.
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So that's really interesting.
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And again, more anecdotal from what I see in my own life in terms of what those reasons may be.
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But interestingly enough, I sit inside the millennial generation.
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Now I'm an old millennial, I guess, as they would say.
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I'm one of the first years that it kind of was considered to be a millennial.
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Interestingly, folks often look at my generation sometimes as,
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you know, the generation who perhaps is a little bit more high maintenance in
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terms of wanting to be acknowledged or promoted or all of those great things.
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So it surprises me that we tend to be in the middle, fairly run of the mill.
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Oh, it's fine. We're carrying on. Not really fussed either way about it.
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Do you think there's any reasoning behind that? Or do you think perhaps,
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again, maybe it's just something tied to life stage or place in your journey?
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For sure, the generational stuff is tied to life stage, right?
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And perhaps you've heard me talk about my experiences being in the sandwich generation.
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And so you're, I'm one of your examples for sure around dealing with aging parents
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as well as, you know, trying to manage teenagers.
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And the pressure financially, not only to manage those two things,
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but knowing that there's a window of time for me to be able to make money, that's part of it.
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Tied to millennials, you know, I was...
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I always reflect that for a long time, millennials just got a really bad rap,
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right? They were in high maintenance. You said it. I didn't call you that.
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But part of that was around the expectations around career advancement and career development.
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And you see that in millennial expectations around the priority that they put
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on compensation, but as well as career advancement, because Because where you
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are in your life stage is, you know,
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you're becoming more established, you're having more under your belt,
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if you will, around different types of roles and getting better at understanding
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what are your strengths, what do you want to continue to do,
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what are the things that come easier to you.
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And I used to always be frustrated with my millennial colleagues around their
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lack of patience and willingness to sit in a role and what I say is get a whole
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pile of experience before moving on.
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But gone are the days where I have that assumption because I actually think
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Xers should take a little bit of a page from millennials around being clear
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about what is required next in the career.
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What it is that they want to have opportunities to learn, what are different
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pathways so that they get exposed to something that maybe isn't in their current
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role, but could help them be developed.
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And I'm not just talking about traditional training and development,
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but I'm also talking about exposure and what are the projects that are being
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worked on. I think that's really good.
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I think that as Xers, we might have been a little too patient and we should
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be clear around our expectations and be clear around what's working and what's not. So I...
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I don't think it's as much high maintenance and demanding as much as a role
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model for both generations that are coming up behind millennials,
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as well as those of us that may be a little bit older that need to take a page
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from the book of the millennials.
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But I will tell you, there's also lots of fluctuation with millennials as well as Gen Z, but less.
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If anything, millennials are a very stable group within workers in Canada around
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happiness. generations is always an interesting topic to dive into.
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We've definitely talked about it a little bit here today. And just as a plug
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and a reminder to listeners, we actually had a generational expert on earlier in the podcast series.
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So if you want to dive deeper into generations, you can check out Dr. Karen Gordon.
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You can find her on the Insights at Work page, but some really interesting insights there.
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One of which I'll just briefly touch on, which I think was really interesting and intriguing.
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And I use this example simply because we've self-identified here as a Gen X and a millennial.
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Interestingly enough, millennials and Gen Xs tend to have the most conflict in the workplace.
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Now, part of that apparently comes from the fact that we are close together
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in terms of generational existence.
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And most Gen Xers, if they have children probably have Gen Zs at home.
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So there's a little bit of, I understand you, I have one of you at home.
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Whereas the Gen X millennial relationship is a little bit
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less unknown. It's kind of like
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that little brother, little sister energy that exists between the two.
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So I think that's interesting that they, you know, sometimes come into conflict
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in the workplace. But that's an aside.
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Again, if you want to check out Dr. Karen Gordon, she'll take a deep dive into that for our listeners.
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But in terms of some of those secondary indicators, Heather,
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that you mentioned earlier on, the work-life balance and flexibility,
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compensation and benefits, you know, being able to upskill.
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What can you tell us about the secondary indicators and how workers in Canada
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are feeling about those different areas?
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Sure. So first, you know, I'll be the positive one and focus on what do we get
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from the data to help us understand what's really working.
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And happiness around work-life balance and flexibility is, again, not always,
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but fairly consistently one of the indicators that we're reporting out that we're most happy.
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And interestingly enough, I mean, we've been doing this now for a couple years.
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That has less seasonality and really sits in the high sixes and low sevens from
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a happiness perspective across the board, and there's no real big swings.
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So when workers are reporting out work-life balance and flexibility,
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that tells us that that's not only important because it's part of the equation, right?
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The secondary indicators, just to back up for a second, Shauna,
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they're all intertwined and they weigh in on how it is that we feel in the workplace
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because it's not just money, right?
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The employer-employee relationship isn't just compensation and benefits.
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And we have other data that tells us very clearly both from work that we've
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done specifically in the Canadian market as well as from the ADP Research Institute
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that highlights we're not saying that compensation and benefits are the number one factor.
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In fact, work-life balance and flexibility is very important.
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So it's really great news that work-life balance is something that we're fairly
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happy about and is fairly consistent.
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The other indicators, and I want to highlight that the options for career advancement
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tends to be at the lowest level.
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And so we've talked a little bit in other places around the productivity gap
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in Canada, around our adoption of technology, but this is really important to workers.
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And so if the sentiment is coming back that it's low...
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Options for career advancement. I'm the least happy with that.
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That's a tremendous opportunity for leaders and organizations,
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HR folks, and direct individual contributors as well to be able to set expectations.
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But to highlight where there are pathways, if you will, I'll take a page out of education, right?
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Where there are places that you can go and what are the skills that you're developing
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in the role that you're in today that will be able to, you know,
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be used in other types of roles as you advance.
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Being able to reinforce that for workers so that they can see that is really
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important, but also helping people understand what it is that they're looking
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for around career advancement.
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The big takeaway, Shauna, like
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the thing that consistently comes back when we put out the monthly ADP Canada
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happiness at work index around the so what is that when leaders and people leaders, specifically HR.
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Those of us that are working for our employees who have to,
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you know, it's part of our job to support folks when they take the time to actually
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know their people, and there's trust and communication established.
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And I can really understand that one person's needs for career advancement and
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where it is that they want to go, which pathway, so that I'm better able to support them in,
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say, exposure or stretch opportunities or which projects they get assigned to
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in order to support where that
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individual wants to go, there is higher happiness and more engagement.
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So the big aha out of all of this that I consistently say is that people, leaders,
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need to allocate time and capacity and care in order to know what's important
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to each of their people and be able to accommodate and support,
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whether or not that's money,
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whether or not that's career advancement, or whether or not that's flexibility.
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Because flexibility for you is very different than what flexibility means for me.
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And so I want to make sure that listeners really get the big insight from my perspective.
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It's individual. And we really need to,
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despite using the trends that the index give us, and be able to understand that
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overall, it's really important for people to allocate energy and compassion
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in order to develop relationships.
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Because human connection's what it's about, simply put. Absolutely.
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And I'm going to sound cliche, but we know it's very well known that workers'
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happiness often is dependent on who their leader is and who their direct leader is.
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Not necessarily, you know, the CEO of the organization, but within my team and
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my relationships, how is my leader treating me? How do my colleagues treat me?
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What is that direct impact that I have inside my particular working group?
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Teams, if you will, become exceptionally important.
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So perhaps a good takeaway for folks who are in leadership positions,
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or even if you're not in an official leadership capacity,
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maybe some self-reflection and recognizing that we do all have an impact on
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one another's work-life happiness, if you will.
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Maybe we'll take that away and move through the world.
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Yeah, I just want to add on to that because that's the other thing, right?
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It's actually not just people leaders that influence our workplace. We all do.
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We all impact the culture, the psychological safety, the environments in which we work.
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So I want to encourage, this isn't just about empowering and equipping managers
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with what they need to know.
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This is actually about empowering all of us working in Canada,
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because we all have a significant impact, not just on ourselves,
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but those in which we spend lots of time with.
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Is there anything else that you wanted to add about the index that we didn't
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get a chance to cover? There really is some...
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Often very good insights. And the supplemental,
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what I'll say is the additional information on a monthly basis that is often
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very timely and connected to what workers in Canada are experiencing outside
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of their workplaces is very helpful.
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So I do encourage folks to have a look at the index once, twice.
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That's all it'll take in order to see kind of the value for them and their workplaces,
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as well as in their communities, because when I'm better at work,
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I'm a better mom and I'm a better wife and I'm a better friend.
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So these things are all very interconnected. For listeners, this episode is
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going to drop on April 29th, which is actually the day before the release of
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the April Happiness at Work Index.
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So take a listen into this episode and then you can move right to seeing how
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people are feeling for the month.
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And Heather, thank you for taking the time to join us. And I'm sure we'll have you back again.
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Wonderful. Thanks so much, Shauna. I love that you're so happy in your workplace.
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It makes my life much better. So thank you.
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Music.
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That's a wrap on this edition of Insights at Work. We look forward to seeing you next month.
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And if you haven't had a chance to dive into the archive, take a peek.
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There's some great episodes available in our history.
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Music.