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See you next time. Any way you can support content creators,
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it's the most important thing. Thea, thank you so much
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for coming on with me today.
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You're welcome, I guess. Thank you for having me.
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Let me jump into it this way. So generally, the
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way I like to structure these types of things is
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I don't want to delve into private details, but I
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want to know how you became who you are today
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and where you intend on going forward. So let me ask,
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before you were Thea Summers, tell me who you were
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in terms of personality. Were you, you know, the quiet shag?
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Walk me through who you were and who you became.
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Were you always like the hot girl in class? Like,
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what gets you here?
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No, it's taken a lot to get here, honestly. This
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wasn't a plan. I don't think it's anyone's plan, you know.
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But actually, I grew up in poverty on a farm.
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Very interesting upbringing. I grew up very humble because of it.
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And I'm still humble. And I'm really grateful for that, honestly.
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In school, I was just quiet, focused on academics. I've
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always been socially anxious, so I never really was one
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to go out of my way. I don't know. Maybe
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when I was younger, but not much anymore. Sure, sure.
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You know what's so funny? And I bring this up
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every episode because you girls, when performers say the same
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thing and it makes total sense. I don't know if
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this applies to you, but I've heard it from a
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lot of other performers. A lot of performers go... Like,
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I'll bring up somebody like, well, I watched this gangbang
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when you were with seven guys and they go, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I go, so you're an extrovert? And they go, no,
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not at all. I'm a total introvert. And I go, how?
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I'm seeing like every piece of your body over here.
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And they have to explain to me. They're like, no,
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I prefer my quiet. I prefer myself. I prefer whatever else.
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Right.
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And then when I perform, I perform. Is that kind
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of how you see it, too?
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Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. When I perform, I'm like on, you know,
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versus when I'm not like I'm at home in my
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bed rotting or like it's not not necessarily rotting, but
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I'll be like just in my home, like comforting myself, cooking, cleaning.
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decorating i don't know sure sure that makes my my
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space feel comfortable.
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So are you you're not necessarily the what the outside
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stigma and perception would be of like a party girl
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are you.
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Like absolutely not i don't go out ever okay okay
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all right.
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Um, in the times you may have gone out for
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anything you had to do, have you noticed, uh, connections
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being made? Like what is the industry to, are you entirely,
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you can't be entirely separated from the industry is what
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I mean. No, no.
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I mean, I have friends in the industry and I
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meet a lot of cool people through like work events,
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like ABNs and ex-biz and that stuff. Um, I don't
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necessarily party. I don't stay out later than like 11 p.m. Okay.
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I'll socialize and I'll get to know people, but I'm
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not really. I don't know. I'll have like a glass
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of champagne, but that's probably it. Okay. All right. Yeah.
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All right. That makes sense. Um, was there a version
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of you in your life that you thought would have,
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it sounds like, yes, but I'll let you talk through
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it more of a vanilla life, like a vanilla job
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of vanilla. This, that it almost sounds like you, I tried.
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It sounds like you woke up one, the way I'm picking,
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it sounds like you woke up one day and you
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were like, Oh, I'm a porn star today. How did
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that happen? Not necessarily.
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I mean, I actually, I wanted the vanilla lifestyle. I
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never wanted like to be like, all over the internet
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per se and like be in an entertainment job but
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it didn't work out how I wanted it to like
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ideally I wanted I wanted to settle down in a
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house and like have two kids and be a mom
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like that's my dream still I just I like being
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bred okay all right but it's like a long-term goal
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more than anything I guess so I think it's more
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complicated than just like a vanilla lifestyle. I think you
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have to like specify, like, I guess, what is vanilla
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to you? Sure.
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Sure. Well, let me ask you, what is vanilla to you?
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Was that vanilla? And I don't say that in like
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a negative way. Like, oh, vanilla is great over here
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and you're doing exciting stuff. You know what I mean?
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Not necessarily. I think vanilla for me is like people
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that decide to stay stagnant and don't want to like
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get better at anything. They don't want to advance or excel.
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I learned they just stay at the same level.
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So let me ask you, you have this great hard
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work personality. It sounds like it sounds like, you know,
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there's a goal. Let's fucking achieve it. Let's get to it.
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Right.
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What part of the vanilla part of life, quote unquote,
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couldn't you continue to push that on for? Like, like what?
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You know what I mean? It's like and I'm not
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telling you to. I'm not encouraging anyone. That'd be great
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if I bring on the show. And I'm like, so
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how can we get you out of porn? It's like, no, no, no.
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That's not my intention at all. But I'm wondering, so
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many of you performers are high working, like smart working, intelligent,
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business minded people. And I always find it fascinating when
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I hear someone say, like, I kind of fell out
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of that life. Like I interviewed someone with a master's
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the other day and they worked in this and that.
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And I'm like, doesn't that just sound like what every
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middle class person wants to shoot for? And they're like, yeah,
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but it just wasn't me. So was there something about
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it that just wasn't you that just didn't fit?
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No, I mean, not at all. I went to college
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and everything. I was a good student. Like I graduated
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with a 4.8 and I majored in neurological psychology, but
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I didn't like sitting still and I found no interest
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in something that was already complete. pretty much studied. I
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don't know. And I'm more of a emotional person than like, not,
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I wouldn't say logic, but I don't want to sit
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in a room, like learning about something when I can,
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I can learn things about different, I don't know, with emotions.
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It makes sense in my head.
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No, it makes sense to me too. Like the reason
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I do this show personally, and just so the audience
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knows too, is not so I can get on here
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and be like, So do you like the biggest dicks
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in the world? My my idea is to have this
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show and be able to communicate with people and go, hey,
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what makes you tick? You know what got you to
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that point? Where can you go and progress from that point?
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And how is your hard work and everything else taking
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you there? I I love the psychology of people, but
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you're right. I can never sit in a fucking room
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and just have them tell me I need. quote unquote,
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hands-on experience. I need to interact with people. I need
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to see people. I need to speak to people. And yeah.
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All right. So what is the first step into the
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adult entertainment industry for you? You go from really smart, quiet,
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shy girl, always been beautiful, I assume. And then when
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is the step when you go, fuck it, I'm taking
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the clothes off, whatever form it was, camming, stripping, whatever
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it was.
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Again, it's not necessarily that quick. It was not like
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a decision that even I proposed.
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I'd like to clarify that. Okay. So I had met
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my ex-husband at the time and we had just gotten
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married and gotten our first apartment and, you know, like
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vanilla lifestyle. I was a medical assistant at the time.
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And like, as soon as we got our first apartment,
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we were both working at the same restaurant and the
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manager put her hands on me. I was like, no.
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And we ended up walking out and we're like, fuck,
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like we just got an apartment. We have to make money.
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We just lost our job. We just got married. What
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the fuck? And I'm like, what are we going to do?
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And he's like, well, what if we try camming? And
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I'm like, okay. And for like the first two or
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three months, we did it together. And then he didn't
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really like it as much. So I just started doing
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it solo and continued doing it solo for about Two
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years in total.
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So was it a good moneymaker at the time? I mean,
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a decent moneymaker? Or did you like doing it? Like,
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could you... Did you eventually get to the point where
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you were like, oh, this is fun. This is interesting.
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Honestly, it started out that way. But with camming, it
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got really isolating and lonely because... I don't know. It
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didn't make really good money. The money was great. But money...
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is not everything. I think relationships and connections are more
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important than money. And it definitely had a toll in
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like ruining my relationship at the time. It definitely did
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not help when I was trying to heal from my
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relationship because I was just alone all the time, like
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putting up a face and stuff. So I, Like at
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the end of the day, I just decided like, oh,
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I want to be more social. I was like, what
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can I do that's kind of like this, but with
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more people?
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Oh, porn. Oh, porn. Okay.
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All right.
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It just clicks in and you go, we can do that.
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So what was your first entrance into that? And then
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did you start contacting people and saying like applying to things?
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Did you find an agent right away? Like how did
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you go from camming and this is kind of isolating
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and you don't love this? But it works for what
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you're doing. And you're obviously good at it if it's
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making decent money. How do you take that next step
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then and go, I'm going to I'm going to do
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some in-person stuff?
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So I had a client who was a guy and
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on my camming site and he had like asked me
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six months ago like how do you get into this
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industry and I'm like I don't know I just made
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an account and he was like I kind of want
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to get into the porn industry and I'm like okay
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like I don't I don't know anything about that. Good luck, though.
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I'll like, you know, I'll be here if you need
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emotional support. And so he went through the journey of
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like kind of scoping out the porn industry and seeing
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what it was like. And he's a lot of research.
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And after like six months, he had been talking to
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me about it and telling me about these agencies and
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these people and stuff. I was like, hey, like, what
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are the top two agencies that you would recommend? And
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he sent me two. The only one I remember is
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the one I applied to. I only applied to one.
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It was a joke at the time. I was drunk.
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I was like, huh, I wonder. And my agent now,
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he called me like two hours later and he was like, hey,
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I would love to work with you. Wow. I was like, ah.
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Were you still drunk at the time? Were you still
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drunk at the time or no? When he called you
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two hours later? Yeah. Okay. All right. It's sobered up
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at least by then.
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All right.
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So what was the, the first scene you went into
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and what was your like emotion going into that? Was it,
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My thing from the outside, I would be total fear.
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I would just be like, I don't know. It's scary.
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I'll do this because I want to take this step.
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But I'm kind of a wuss. So what was your
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mindset going into like, all right, we're going to do
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in-person stuff. We're going to really push this further.
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So my first in-person was Xcoge with Tyler Nixon. Or
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was it Isaiah Maxwell? I think the first one actually
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might have been with Isaiah Maxwell for BBC Surprise.
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It wasn't the first one that aired, but. I think
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I filmed that one first because Isaiah was only in
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town for one day or something.
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Honestly, I wasn't, I wasn't like fearful or scared or
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nervous or anything. In all honesty, I do understand completely
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people that would be like nervous and stuff, but I'd been,
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I've been doing stuff like this for a long time already.
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So I kind of felt really comfortable in the industry itself.
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And everyone was really like, explanatory like overly I don't
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know I personally I just don't have a lot of
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patience and if I really know how to do something
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I'll be like hey look I know I got it
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like so I was kind of just like I don't know.
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I feel like they could have said less to me
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and I would have been fine knowing what to do.
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But I get it. They had to. It was my
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first shoot.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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I'm not shitting on them.
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No, no, no. Absolutely not. And look, more caution rather
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than less caution is annoying, but always better.
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Yeah. Yeah. And that's not like a bad thing to
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complain about either.
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Yeah. Imagine you go on Twitter and start going like
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companies should stop explaining so much to new girls. You
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would just be ripped.
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So I say it's not the same for everybody. Like
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most people would appreciate that.
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Totally. Totally. Absolutely. So then once you first start doing
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those scenes, do you notice any? I mean, is it
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still it almost sounds like you're just kind of made
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for this, even though. you didn't necessarily ask for it
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because what did, did anything change about you after you
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did those scenes? Like in your remote, did you get
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more confidence? Hey, this is something that I could either
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make a career or were you thinking career at that point?
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Yeah, no, I already, I already thought career. I mean,
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it gave me a little bit of confidence, but in
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a long-term view, it didn't happen immediately by any means.
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It happened like once I started seeing my work coming out,
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once I started seeing results coming in, once I started
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seeing like, you know, how people, approved me or whatever
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and ratings on me that because it's factual evidence raised
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my confidence but like I said the reason I joined
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the porn industry was because I was lonely and I
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needed social so that's kind of what I've gained I've
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gained social skills again I've gained just a better friend
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group better people surrounding me people that actually understand me
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and what I've been through.
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Yeah that's great let's move in To some of the
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content here, I do a thing on the show called
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Stat Check. We use the Internet Adult Film Database. It
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is completely inaccurate. None of the numbers are right. When
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I throw this out to you, you're going to go,
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that's way fucking off. That's why I always do this
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little like pre thing here where I let you know
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it's wrong. I know that. I had one woman one
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time go, well, I could pull up my spreadsheet. I go,
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you have a spreadsheet? She goes, yep. Keep a spreadsheet
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based on everyone I work with and when I worked
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with them and this and that. And I go, holy shit.
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So for stat check here on the Internet Adult Film Database,
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I have 58 scenes, 13 female partners, 31 male partners,
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zero AVN noms so far. We only go with AVN
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in this instance because, you know, it's the name, right?
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And zero AVN wins so far, but we will get there.
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I want to go through a few of your scenes.
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I want to talk about some of the successes you've
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had so far. Uh, right now, let's go through a
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few of your scenes. I'm going to show as much
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to the audience as I can, which let's be honest
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is not going to be a lot. Okay. Uh, first
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one I have here is from, Ooh, there we go. Uh,
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first one I have here is from amateur allure. Okay. Oh,
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first of all, there are a couple of things I
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need to point out. And then a couple of things
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I have to ask. There, she just fell out of
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her chair. Oh, okay. There we go.
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So the blinds, Oh, okay.
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You look great. First question I have here for Amateur
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Allure is, do you have to do makeup any differently?
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What I love about it is how, and it sounds
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bad to say from the outside, but how harsh the
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light is in a good way. It makes everything beautiful,
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like it really glows. Yeah. Do you have to do
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your makeup any differently for something like that?
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I'm trying to remember. I think that there's a makeup
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artist for Amateur Allure. Um, a lot of, a lot
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of companies use makeup artists, you know? So honestly, I
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think that's more of a them question.
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Sure. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. The other question is
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how blind were you after this shoot? How long did
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it take you to get your vision back?
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They were so bright, but it was a really fun
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shoot though. I wasn't mad about it.
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No, no. And again, it always turns out really beautiful.
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I just, I always interview performers that have been there
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and go like, yeah, I couldn't see great for a
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little while. I'm like, oh, no, the content was good, though.
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I'm sure in the moment I was like, I can't
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see shit. I don't remember now, you know.
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The the second one I have for you here. It
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comes from.
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I hate this. Oh, I hate this one.
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Okay, the second one I have for me is from Lubed.
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All right.
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My question is, and then I want to know why
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you hate this one so much. My question is, do
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you have a favorite brand of Lube? And if you'd
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like them to sponsor you, is now probably the best
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time to shout it out so I can cut a
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clip of this.
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You know what? This is actually really kind of odd,
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but I'm a huge Walgreens fan. I like Walgreens brand. So, Walgreens,
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sponsor me, please?
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Thea, you're a total sweetheart. I don't think Walgreens is
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going to sponsor you for their lube section.
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I really like the Walgreens brand. I think it's much
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better than the generic brand. Okay. And I think that
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applies with pretty much every product ever. Okay.
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Walgreens just sends you 10 000 shares of stock you
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go all right i'll take this this is solid um
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why did you dislike this shoot so not not so
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much the shoe to the people.
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It's just this picture oh picture why is that i
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was slipping like my knees are bent like my face
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i don't i'm not even posing right i'm just like
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i'm falling like That was not a face of smiling.
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That was a mid-fall.
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Can I ask you, is this the only time you've
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ever been lubed up in a kiddie pool?
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No, I didn't rather shoot for them. Oh, okay. It
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was a much bigger kiddie pool.
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Okay.
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All right. Fair. Came out.
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The third one I have from you here is from Come4K,
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appropriately named. You appear to be bursting like a fire
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hydrant here. um did it take getting into porn to
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learn how to squirt or was that something you developed
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beforehand that.
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Was something i already knew how to do and i
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did for camming i was actually very known in camming for.
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Squirting okay all right was that was that a requested
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thing was that just a build-up thing like.
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Did you do custom all the above okay.
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Okay fair enough um let's talk about some of your
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content um you're of again for people that are just
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listening at the summers links to everything in the episode
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description as always uh what is the theme of your
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only fans do you have a theme you're going for
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and are you how are you with branding are you
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trying to brand yourself properly i.
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Mean i i this is a funny topic for me
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i i do only fans but super.
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Oh oops no you totally fine.
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I I do it but it's super sparingly like I
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pretty much only answer when I have to and do
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customs I'm not by any means like on time um
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so honestly I would not recommend going there to reach
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me if you want customs yes because that's pretty much
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where I do those but um if you want to
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like talk to me I would not recommend that I
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would recommend like text panther and.
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I make no judgment on how people run their business.
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I totally get it. But is there any reason you
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don't engage in that a little more? Only because I
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interview so many people who say the mainstream shoots are
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great advertising for this over here. Is that just something
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you don't want to update multiple times a day? What's
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the reasoning behind it?
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I was a cam girl. I was a cam girl
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for two years. And I had to do a lot
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of branding to get the actual image up itself.
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And.
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I burnt out in it. So I just hate social
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media with like a burning passion. I hate it so much.
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I hate being on my phone. I hate like having
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to be obliged to answer people all day and message
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them back. I don't like my time like belonging to
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anyone else. I'm just very specific about my lifestyle now.
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Like in the past, yes, but I'm just burnt out
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and I can't handle it.
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Well, and you know, that's such an interesting thing because
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we never really talk about that. Is that your way
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of preventing burnout? And how have you felt burnt out
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in the past? And what's it make you feel like
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when you're there? Do you just not even give a
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shit about following up with people? Like what is the
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depths of burnout to you?
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I mean, it matters in what sense, if it's burnout
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with like online presence and camming and like that kind
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of thing. For me personally, the burnout was just like,
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I had no motivation. I was done. I didn't eat.
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I didn't work out. I just slept. I slept for hours,
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like days. Like it was not healthy by any means
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for me.
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So how'd you find that balance?
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I stopped.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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I stopped. I don't let myself do it anymore.
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This is don't don't throw any numbers out, obviously, or
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anything like that. But did you notice any kind of
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a pullback in revenue or anything like that when you
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when you burnt out? And was it within a range
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where you were comfortable with? Like if it sits here
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a little further back, I'm fine with that.
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In a sense, yes. But that's that's why I transferred
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into a different aspect. So I got away from it.
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That's why I went into mainstream.
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Gotcha.
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That's where I make my money.
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Gotcha. OK, cool, cool, cool. All right. Let's talk about
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some of the things you like and you don't like
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and how we got here. Were there any like niches
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or fetishes that from the outside you were looking either
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before you got in or as you were getting in
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that you were like, I definitely need to try that.
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I want to be a part of that. And did
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you ever get to that or is that still a
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goal of yours?
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Honestly, no, I didn't really have any goals. I didn't
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really have any goals probably until like 10 months in, honestly.
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Okay.
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It wasn't something that I was like, oh, I want
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to excel in this. It was something like, I need
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to help. I need help. Like, I don't have any friends.
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I'm lonely. I don't have any like actual outlets other
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than working out. So I don't know. It's just hard
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to answer because it's a little bit different. Sure.
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No, I get it. I get it. I have to
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ask this. And again, you can't do a show like
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mine and like shit on adult performers whatsoever. And I'm
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not doing that. But it almost sounds like you're this
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hot girl who really knows how to manage this shit well.
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And you're just every response was kind of like, yeah,
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that's all right.
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I kind of just go with the flow. I don't
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plan shit. Everything has come to me, thank goodness. But
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I think it's because I have good karma.
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You're a kind person and kindness comes back to you, right?
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I think so.
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Okay. All right. That's solid. So do we have any
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goals now that we're shooting towards? Like anything we're reaching for?
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I mean, I did just win my first award, which
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I'm very proud of. from DSN Awards in Italy for
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Best International Rising Star. So, yay! I didn't plan that either. Cool.
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Thank you very much, Italy. I'm very grateful. But, I
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don't know. I... I leave that up to my PR guy.
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I don't concern myself with it.
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Okay. All right. Like, like you said, you won best
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international rising star at the DSN awards in Italy. How
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the fuck do you win an award in Italy? Oh,
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you just said it.
486
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Italians really like me.
487
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Do you fuck around with pasta at all? Like what's
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your deal?
489
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But when I went to Italy, my ex-husband, we're friends now,
490
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but he, like I posted a picture on my social media,
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my personal social media. And he, he split up on
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it and he was like, in Italy without your Italian ex.
493
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And I'm like, you're Italian? I didn't even know he
494
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was Italian. But I think, yeah, no, Italians meant just
495
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like me. My man now is Italian.
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Okay, all right. I love this. I have to say,
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I really do love your personality. I so wish I
498
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had the talent to be able to just go, I'm
499
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going to put a show out here and just And
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then this Ukrainian fucking podcast commission goes, we'd like to
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give you an award. All right, cool. Sounds nice.
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Thanks.
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Send it on over.
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I'm very grateful. I'm still just kind of in shock. Honestly,
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I don't really know how to react.
506
00:25:22.789 --> 00:25:25.369
Was that was that the most validating feeling you've had
507
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so far in this industry? Or was there something else
508
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that like when when were you like, oh, oh, I
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really fucking belong. Like, not just I belong. I could
510
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be something huge in this.
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I mean, the award was definitely like a really nice
512
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confirmation of that and a much like bolder statement. But.
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Trying to think I've had I've had like directors, cameramen,
514
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just like crew, I guess, comment on it before. They're like, oh,
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you're going to do great. You're going to do amazing. Like.
516
00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:08.859
talking very future-oriented. My PR guy seems very invested in me. Granted,
517
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I pay him, but.
518
00:26:11.859 --> 00:26:14.079
I can tell you behind the scenes, he is very...
519
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I'll go very far. Your PR agent behind the scenes
520
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is very invested. In between seasons when I wasn't booking,
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00:26:21.630 --> 00:26:23.829
he's like, oh, Tia Summer's got to get her on.
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I'm like... Is he the reason I get on these podcasts? Yeah.
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I'm like, I'm sitting on my couch right now, man.
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Like I just finished 20 episodes or something. And he's like, no, no, no.
525
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Okay.
526
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But when you're booking gang, get Theo on. I'm like,
527
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not a problem, buddy. Not a problem.
528
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I will. He was like, pick a time now. I
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was like, okay, okay. That's what you have to do though.
530
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You kind of have to parent me.
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That's OK. That's all right. What is your most requested
532
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thing that you've yet to do that people?
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OK.
534
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:58.390
OK. Fair enough. Now, is that a are we building
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up to eventually do a big anal scene someday? Is
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that a branding thing or is that you just don't
537
00:27:02.910 --> 00:27:04.289
feel like doing it? It's not your thing.
538
00:27:04.900 --> 00:27:07.849
At first, I didn't feel like doing it. But actually,
539
00:27:07.890 --> 00:27:09.849
I really love anal. The reason I didn't want to
540
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do it is because I was injured at the time.
541
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And I had an injury that was healing and honestly
542
00:27:15.029 --> 00:27:19.829
still is. But it's taken a long time. But I
543
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am honestly planning on starting anal soon, like within the
544
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next couple months, depending on how my training goes. I
545
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:30.279
haven't taken like a dick in my ass in a
546
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:34.450
very long time, but. my ex I would cam with
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00:27:34.529 --> 00:27:37.089
had a nine inch dick. It was thick too. So
548
00:27:37.309 --> 00:27:39.940
I took that in my ass. I don't know how,
549
00:27:40.509 --> 00:27:42.549
but if I'm able to take that, like I'm good,
550
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you know? Sure.
551
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Sure.
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Okay. All right.
553
00:27:46.210 --> 00:27:49.859
Um, are there any types of, again, content you want
554
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to produce that maybe isn't requested by your fans, but
555
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:55.960
you think, Oh, if I do this, they might like
556
00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:59.180
this kind of shit. Whether it's I have no idea
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whether it's bondage, whether it's gangbang stuff, whether it's more
558
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acting where you're like, hi, I'm the little sis, whatever
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it is. Is there anything you get requested that you're like, yeah,
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I need to dive into that or you're not sure
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how your audience will react to it?
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I don't know.
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I mean, I'm.
564
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Really open, open minded, so I'm not necessarily against anything.
565
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If an opportunity arises, I'll definitely do it. Mm hmm.
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00:28:26.809 --> 00:28:34.430
if I'm not too lazy. But I don't know. As
567
00:28:34.470 --> 00:28:39.019
far as what people request, it's a lot of anal.
568
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:44.579
It's a lot of anal. I posted some bondage things,
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but I don't get a ton of requests for it.
570
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I know that Kink wants to film me. I would
571
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love to film with Kink, but I'm not allowed to
572
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until I get to two years, according to my agent.
573
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Because they're not allowed to defile me yet.
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Okay.
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All right. I'm a little masochist.
576
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:03.230
All right. Where does that come from? Again, you seem
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so sweet and whatever. Why do you enjoy masochism so much?
578
00:29:08.710 --> 00:29:12.029
Honestly, it's hard to say. Because when I was a
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00:29:12.049 --> 00:29:15.170
cam girl, I learned I had a pain. Okay. Sorry,
580
00:29:15.210 --> 00:29:16.549
my friend just came back.
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That's totally fine.
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00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:19.079
Hello?
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I'll cut this stuff off. Hi.
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I'm sorry. Who are you? Who are you? I'm Bella's friend.
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I'm Bella's grandmother. Oh, oh, I'm so sorry. I'm in
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the middle of a video call, of a video conference. Sorry.
587
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:48.299
It's okay. It's kind of true. Okay. Sorry, just one moment.
588
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:49.680
Please stand by.
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00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.759
Okay, this is Matt. I have to explain to you
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exactly what happened during my interview with Thea Summers.
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So.
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We're there. We're finishing the interview. I have a few
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more questions left. We're going to get into all kinds
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of fun stuff. And all of a sudden, the door
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opens behind her. And she goes, hello? And the camera
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tilts down. That's kind of what you saw in the video.
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00:30:13.809 --> 00:30:17.809
She goes, hello? And there's talking in the background. And, uh,
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it's an older woman. And she's saying, hello? You know,
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I'm an older woman. Or whatever she said. And, uh,
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And Thea was like, oh, hi, I'm so-and-so's friend. I'm
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staying here. And the lady says, oh, you're her friend.
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Oh.
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And we pause and I get quiet. And Thea goes,
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don't say anything. And I go, I know, I gotcha.
605
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And I'm like, maybe we'll wait this out. Maybe we'll
606
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see where it goes. And, uh. Yeah, it just didn't
607
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seem like this lady was leaving. Like maybe she was like,
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this is my granddaughter's house. I'm going to fucking sit
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on the couch, crack a beer, watch some SportsCenter. I
610
00:31:02.420 --> 00:31:07.460
don't know what she was doing. I assume it wasn't that. Yeah,
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I thought Thea was great. One really cool thing about
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Thea that we never consider, because I always glaze these
613
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porn stars. No, you know, no pun intended. But I
614
00:31:20.900 --> 00:31:24.279
always glaze these porn stars on creating a business and
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building a business and having it be a business and
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treating it like a business and respecting it like a business.
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And sometimes you have to take a step back and
618
00:31:32.910 --> 00:31:36.410
really think about it and go, yeah, but look at
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this industry. This industry is all about fun and sex
620
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:45.000
and joy and all that other bullshit I don't get
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on a daily basis. Um, And it's kinda nice to
622
00:31:49.829 --> 00:31:54.769
see someone who's just like, you know, the independent channels,
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my thing, whatever, that's there, you're welcome to join. My
624
00:31:59.829 --> 00:32:03.410
job is to fuck on camera when big sites call
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00:32:03.450 --> 00:32:08.299
me to come fuck on camera. There is something freeing
626
00:32:08.380 --> 00:32:14.099
about that, right? You're always seeing the porn star. And, uh, yeah,
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00:32:14.460 --> 00:32:17.319
I don't know, I think that's kinda cool. I like
628
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:21.279
talking to Thea. I hope to meet her someday. And yeah,
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00:32:21.309 --> 00:32:25.250
it was great. It was really great having her on.
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00:32:25.990 --> 00:32:28.750
At Thea Summers, you know exactly where to find her.
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Make sure you follow up with these performers. It's the
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00:32:31.970 --> 00:32:36.269
most important thing you can do. It really is. And comment. Fucking,
633
00:32:36.309 --> 00:32:40.049
that's my new thing. Push that hard. Just comment, saw
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00:32:40.089 --> 00:32:42.890
you on Going Deeper. That's all you have to say.
635
00:32:43.309 --> 00:32:47.359
And that will do wonders for this show. All the big,
636
00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:50.480
giant names you guys request in the comments that I'm
637
00:32:50.500 --> 00:32:54.309
always like, I'm trying. I've sent 50 emails to some
638
00:32:54.329 --> 00:32:58.259
of these people. Nothing back. Nothing at all. Talk to
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00:32:58.299 --> 00:33:02.019
my PR agents. They're not repped. Talk to this, that, whatever.
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00:33:02.619 --> 00:33:05.859
The most important thing you can do for me is
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letting them know I saw you on Going Deeper. I
642
00:33:08.779 --> 00:33:10.519
loved you on Going Deeper. Oh, my God, you were
643
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.420
so great on Going Deeper. Throw that out there. But, yeah.
644
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Yeah.
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00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.359
Thea Summers is great. Check her content out if you
646
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want to, if she's your style. She's definitely my type
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of style. And I will be digging deeply into her
648
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content going forward. Yeah. All right. For Going Deeper, this
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is Matt. I will see you next week.
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See you next time. Any way you can support content creators,
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it's the most important thing. Thea, thank you so much
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for coming on with me today.
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You're welcome, I guess. Thank you for having me.
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Let me jump into it this way. So generally, the
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way I like to structure these types of things is
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I don't want to delve into private details, but I
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want to know how you became who you are today
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and where you intend on going forward. So let me ask,
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before you were Thea Summers, tell me who you were
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in terms of personality. Were you, you know, the quiet shag?
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Walk me through who you were and who you became.
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Were you always like the hot girl in class? Like,
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what gets you here?
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No, it's taken a lot to get here, honestly. This
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wasn't a plan. I don't think it's anyone's plan, you know.
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But actually, I grew up in poverty on a farm.
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Very interesting upbringing. I grew up very humble because of it.
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And I'm still humble. And I'm really grateful for that, honestly.
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In school, I was just quiet, focused on academics. I've
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always been socially anxious, so I never really was one
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to go out of my way. I don't know. Maybe
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when I was younger, but not much anymore. Sure, sure.
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You know what's so funny? And I bring this up
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every episode because you girls, when performers say the same
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thing and it makes total sense. I don't know if
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this applies to you, but I've heard it from a
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lot of other performers. A lot of performers go... Like,
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I'll bring up somebody like, well, I watched this gangbang
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when you were with seven guys and they go, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I go, so you're an extrovert? And they go, no,
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not at all. I'm a total introvert. And I go, how?
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I'm seeing like every piece of your body over here.
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And they have to explain to me. They're like, no,
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I prefer my quiet. I prefer myself. I prefer whatever else.
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Right.
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And then when I perform, I perform. Is that kind
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of how you see it, too?
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Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. When I perform, I'm like on, you know,
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versus when I'm not like I'm at home in my
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bed rotting or like it's not not necessarily rotting, but
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I'll be like just in my home, like comforting myself, cooking, cleaning.
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decorating i don't know sure sure that makes my my
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space feel comfortable.
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So are you you're not necessarily the what the outside
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stigma and perception would be of like a party girl
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are you.
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Like absolutely not i don't go out ever okay okay
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all right.
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Um, in the times you may have gone out for
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anything you had to do, have you noticed, uh, connections
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being made? Like what is the industry to, are you entirely,
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you can't be entirely separated from the industry is what
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I mean. No, no.
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I mean, I have friends in the industry and I
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meet a lot of cool people through like work events,
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like ABNs and ex-biz and that stuff. Um, I don't
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necessarily party. I don't stay out later than like 11 p.m. Okay.
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I'll socialize and I'll get to know people, but I'm
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not really. I don't know. I'll have like a glass
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of champagne, but that's probably it. Okay. All right. Yeah.
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All right. That makes sense. Um, was there a version
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of you in your life that you thought would have,
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it sounds like, yes, but I'll let you talk through
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it more of a vanilla life, like a vanilla job
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of vanilla. This, that it almost sounds like you, I tried.
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It sounds like you woke up one, the way I'm picking,
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it sounds like you woke up one day and you
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were like, Oh, I'm a porn star today. How did
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that happen? Not necessarily.
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I mean, I actually, I wanted the vanilla lifestyle. I
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never wanted like to be like, all over the internet
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per se and like be in an entertainment job but
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it didn't work out how I wanted it to like
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ideally I wanted I wanted to settle down in a
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house and like have two kids and be a mom
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like that's my dream still I just I like being
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bred okay all right but it's like a long-term goal
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more than anything I guess so I think it's more
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complicated than just like a vanilla lifestyle. I think you
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have to like specify, like, I guess, what is vanilla
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to you? Sure.
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Sure. Well, let me ask you, what is vanilla to you?
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Was that vanilla? And I don't say that in like
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a negative way. Like, oh, vanilla is great over here
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and you're doing exciting stuff. You know what I mean?
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that decide to stay stagnant and don't want to like
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get better at anything. They don't want to advance or excel.
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I learned they just stay at the same level.
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So let me ask you, you have this great hard
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work personality. It sounds like it sounds like, you know,
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there's a goal. Let's fucking achieve it. Let's get to it.
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What part of the vanilla part of life, quote unquote,
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couldn't you continue to push that on for? Like, like what?
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You know what I mean? It's like and I'm not
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telling you to. I'm not encouraging anyone. That'd be great
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if I bring on the show. And I'm like, so
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how can we get you out of porn? It's like, no, no, no.
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That's not my intention at all. But I'm wondering, so
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many of you performers are high working, like smart working, intelligent,
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business minded people. And I always find it fascinating when
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I hear someone say, like, I kind of fell out
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of that life. Like I interviewed someone with a master's
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the other day and they worked in this and that.
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And I'm like, doesn't that just sound like what every
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middle class person wants to shoot for? And they're like, yeah,
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but it just wasn't me. So was there something about
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it that just wasn't you that just didn't fit?
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No, I mean, not at all. I went to college
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and everything. I was a good student. Like I graduated
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with a 4.8 and I majored in neurological psychology, but
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I didn't like sitting still and I found no interest
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in something that was already complete. pretty much studied. I
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don't know. And I'm more of a emotional person than like, not,
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I wouldn't say logic, but I don't want to sit
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in a room, like learning about something when I can,
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I can learn things about different, I don't know, with emotions.
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It makes sense in my head.
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No, it makes sense to me too. Like the reason
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I do this show personally, and just so the audience
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knows too, is not so I can get on here
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and be like, So do you like the biggest dicks
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in the world? My my idea is to have this
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show and be able to communicate with people and go, hey,
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what makes you tick? You know what got you to
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that point? Where can you go and progress from that point?
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And how is your hard work and everything else taking
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you there? I I love the psychology of people, but
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you're right. I can never sit in a fucking room
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and just have them tell me I need. quote unquote,
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hands-on experience. I need to interact with people. I need
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to see people. I need to speak to people. And yeah.
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All right. So what is the first step into the
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adult entertainment industry for you? You go from really smart, quiet,
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shy girl, always been beautiful, I assume. And then when
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is the step when you go, fuck it, I'm taking
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the clothes off, whatever form it was, camming, stripping, whatever
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it was.
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a decision that even I proposed.
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I'd like to clarify that. Okay. So I had met
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my ex-husband at the time and we had just gotten
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married and gotten our first apartment and, you know, like
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vanilla lifestyle. I was a medical assistant at the time.
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we were both working at the same restaurant and the
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manager put her hands on me. I was like, no.
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like we just got an apartment. We have to make money.
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We just lost our job. We just got married. What
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the fuck? And I'm like, what are we going to do?
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And he's like, well, what if we try camming? And
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I'm like, okay. And for like the first two or
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three months, we did it together. And then he didn't
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really like it as much. So I just started doing
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it solo and continued doing it solo for about Two
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So was it a good moneymaker at the time? I mean,
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a decent moneymaker? Or did you like doing it? Like,
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could you... Did you eventually get to the point where
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you were like, oh, this is fun. This is interesting.
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got really isolating and lonely because... I don't know. It
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didn't make really good money. The money was great. But money...
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is not everything. I think relationships and connections are more
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important than money. And it definitely had a toll in
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like ruining my relationship at the time. It definitely did
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not help when I was trying to heal from my
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relationship because I was just alone all the time, like
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putting up a face and stuff. So I, Like at
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the end of the day, I just decided like, oh,
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I want to be more social. I was like, what
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can I do that's kind of like this, but with
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more people?
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Oh, porn. Oh, porn. Okay.
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It just clicks in and you go, we can do that.
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So what was your first entrance into that? And then
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did you start contacting people and saying like applying to things?
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you go from camming and this is kind of isolating
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and you don't love this? But it works for what
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you're doing. And you're obviously good at it if it's
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making decent money. How do you take that next step
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then and go, I'm going to I'm going to do
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some in-person stuff?
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So I had a client who was a guy and
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on my camming site and he had like asked me
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six months ago like how do you get into this
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industry and I'm like I don't know I just made
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an account and he was like I kind of want
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to get into the porn industry and I'm like okay
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like I don't I don't know anything about that. Good luck, though.
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I'll like, you know, I'll be here if you need
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emotional support. And so he went through the journey of
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like kind of scoping out the porn industry and seeing
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what it was like. And he's a lot of research.
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me about it and telling me about these agencies and
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these people and stuff. I was like, hey, like, what
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are the top two agencies that you would recommend? And
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he sent me two. The only one I remember is
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the one I applied to. I only applied to one.
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It was a joke at the time. I was drunk.
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I was like, huh, I wonder. And my agent now,
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he called me like two hours later and he was like, hey,
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I would love to work with you. Wow. I was like, ah.
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drunk at the time or no? When he called you
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two hours later? Yeah. Okay. All right. It's sobered up
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at least by then.
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So what was the, the first scene you went into
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and what was your like emotion going into that? Was it,
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I would just be like, I don't know. It's scary.
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I'll do this because I want to take this step.
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mindset going into like, all right, we're going to do
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in-person stuff. We're going to really push this further.
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So my first in-person was Xcoge with Tyler Nixon. Or
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was it Isaiah Maxwell? I think the first one actually
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might have been with Isaiah Maxwell for BBC Surprise.
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town for one day or something.
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Honestly, I wasn't, I wasn't like fearful or scared or
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nervous or anything. In all honesty, I do understand completely
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people that would be like nervous and stuff, but I'd been,
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I've been doing stuff like this for a long time already.
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know I personally I just don't have a lot of
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patience and if I really know how to do something
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I'll be like hey look I know I got it
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like so I was kind of just like I don't know.
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and I would have been fine knowing what to do.
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first shoot.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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I'm not shitting on them.
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No, no, no. Absolutely not. And look, more caution rather
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than less caution is annoying, but always better.
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complain about either.
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companies should stop explaining so much to new girls. You
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would just be ripped.
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most people would appreciate that.
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Totally. Totally. Absolutely. So then once you first start doing
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those scenes, do you notice any? I mean, is it
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still it almost sounds like you're just kind of made
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for this, even though. you didn't necessarily ask for it
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because what did, did anything change about you after you
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did those scenes? Like in your remote, did you get
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more confidence? Hey, this is something that I could either
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make a career or were you thinking career at that point?
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it gave me a little bit of confidence, but in
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a long-term view, it didn't happen immediately by any means.
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It happened like once I started seeing my work coming out,
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once I started seeing results coming in, once I started
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seeing like, you know, how people, approved me or whatever
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and ratings on me that because it's factual evidence raised
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my confidence but like I said the reason I joined
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the porn industry was because I was lonely and I
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needed social so that's kind of what I've gained I've
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gained social skills again I've gained just a better friend
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group better people surrounding me people that actually understand me
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and what I've been through.
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Yeah that's great let's move in To some of the
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content here, I do a thing on the show called
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Stat Check. We use the Internet Adult Film Database. It
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is completely inaccurate. None of the numbers are right. When
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I throw this out to you, you're going to go,
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that's way fucking off. That's why I always do this
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little like pre thing here where I let you know
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it's wrong. I know that. I had one woman one
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time go, well, I could pull up my spreadsheet. I go,
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you have a spreadsheet? She goes, yep. Keep a spreadsheet
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based on everyone I work with and when I worked
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with them and this and that. And I go, holy shit.
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So for stat check here on the Internet Adult Film Database,
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I have 58 scenes, 13 female partners, 31 male partners,
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zero AVN noms so far. We only go with AVN
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in this instance because, you know, it's the name, right?
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And zero AVN wins so far, but we will get there.
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I want to go through a few of your scenes.
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I want to talk about some of the successes you've
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had so far. Uh, right now, let's go through a
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few of your scenes. I'm going to show as much
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to the audience as I can, which let's be honest
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is not going to be a lot. Okay. Uh, first
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one I have here is from, Ooh, there we go. Uh,
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first one I have here is from amateur allure. Okay. Oh,
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first of all, there are a couple of things I
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need to point out. And then a couple of things
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I have to ask. There, she just fell out of
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her chair. Oh, okay. There we go.
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So the blinds, Oh, okay.
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You look great. First question I have here for Amateur
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Allure is, do you have to do makeup any differently?
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What I love about it is how, and it sounds
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bad to say from the outside, but how harsh the
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light is in a good way. It makes everything beautiful,
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like it really glows. Yeah. Do you have to do
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your makeup any differently for something like that?
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I'm trying to remember. I think that there's a makeup
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artist for Amateur Allure. Um, a lot of, a lot
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of companies use makeup artists, you know? So honestly, I
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think that's more of a them question.
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Sure. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. The other question is
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how blind were you after this shoot? How long did
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it take you to get your vision back?
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They were so bright, but it was a really fun
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shoot though. I wasn't mad about it.
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No, no. And again, it always turns out really beautiful.
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I just, I always interview performers that have been there
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and go like, yeah, I couldn't see great for a
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little while. I'm like, oh, no, the content was good, though.
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I'm sure in the moment I was like, I can't
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see shit. I don't remember now, you know.
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The the second one I have for you here. It
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comes from.
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I hate this. Oh, I hate this one.
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Okay, the second one I have for me is from Lubed.
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All right.
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My question is, and then I want to know why
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you hate this one so much. My question is, do
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you have a favorite brand of Lube? And if you'd
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like them to sponsor you, is now probably the best
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time to shout it out so I can cut a
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clip of this.
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You know what? This is actually really kind of odd,
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but I'm a huge Walgreens fan. I like Walgreens brand. So, Walgreens,
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sponsor me, please?
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Thea, you're a total sweetheart. I don't think Walgreens is
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going to sponsor you for their lube section.
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I really like the Walgreens brand. I think it's much
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better than the generic brand. Okay. And I think that
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applies with pretty much every product ever. Okay.
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Walgreens just sends you 10 000 shares of stock you
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go all right i'll take this this is solid um
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why did you dislike this shoot so not not so
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much the shoe to the people.
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It's just this picture oh picture why is that i
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was slipping like my knees are bent like my face
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i don't i'm not even posing right i'm just like
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i'm falling like That was not a face of smiling.
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That was a mid-fall.
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Can I ask you, is this the only time you've
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ever been lubed up in a kiddie pool?
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No, I didn't rather shoot for them. Oh, okay. It
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was a much bigger kiddie pool.
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Okay.
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All right. Fair. Came out.
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The third one I have from you here is from Come4K,
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appropriately named. You appear to be bursting like a fire
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hydrant here. um did it take getting into porn to
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learn how to squirt or was that something you developed
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beforehand that.
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Was something i already knew how to do and i
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did for camming i was actually very known in camming for.
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Squirting okay all right was that was that a requested
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thing was that just a build-up thing like.
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Did you do custom all the above okay.
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Okay fair enough um let's talk about some of your
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content um you're of again for people that are just
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listening at the summers links to everything in the episode
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description as always uh what is the theme of your
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only fans do you have a theme you're going for
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and are you how are you with branding are you
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trying to brand yourself properly i.
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Mean i i this is a funny topic for me
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i i do only fans but super.
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Oh oops no you totally fine.
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I I do it but it's super sparingly like I
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pretty much only answer when I have to and do
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customs I'm not by any means like on time um
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so honestly I would not recommend going there to reach
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me if you want customs yes because that's pretty much
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where I do those but um if you want to
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like talk to me I would not recommend that I
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would recommend like text panther and.
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I make no judgment on how people run their business.
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I totally get it. But is there any reason you
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don't engage in that a little more? Only because I
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interview so many people who say the mainstream shoots are
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great advertising for this over here. Is that just something
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you don't want to update multiple times a day? What's
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the reasoning behind it?
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I was a cam girl. I was a cam girl
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for two years. And I had to do a lot
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of branding to get the actual image up itself.
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And.
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I burnt out in it. So I just hate social
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media with like a burning passion. I hate it so much.
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I hate being on my phone. I hate like having
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to be obliged to answer people all day and message
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them back. I don't like my time like belonging to
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anyone else. I'm just very specific about my lifestyle now.
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Like in the past, yes, but I'm just burnt out
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and I can't handle it.
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Well, and you know, that's such an interesting thing because
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we never really talk about that. Is that your way
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of preventing burnout? And how have you felt burnt out
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in the past? And what's it make you feel like
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when you're there? Do you just not even give a
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shit about following up with people? Like what is the
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depths of burnout to you?
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I mean, it matters in what sense, if it's burnout
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with like online presence and camming and like that kind
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of thing. For me personally, the burnout was just like,
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I had no motivation. I was done. I didn't eat.
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I didn't work out. I just slept. I slept for hours,
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like days. Like it was not healthy by any means
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for me.
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So how'd you find that balance?
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I stopped.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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I stopped. I don't let myself do it anymore.
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This is don't don't throw any numbers out, obviously, or
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anything like that. But did you notice any kind of
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a pullback in revenue or anything like that when you
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when you burnt out? And was it within a range
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where you were comfortable with? Like if it sits here
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a little further back, I'm fine with that.
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In a sense, yes. But that's that's why I transferred
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into a different aspect. So I got away from it.
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That's why I went into mainstream.
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Gotcha.
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That's where I make my money.
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Gotcha. OK, cool, cool, cool. All right. Let's talk about
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some of the things you like and you don't like
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and how we got here. Were there any like niches
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or fetishes that from the outside you were looking either
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before you got in or as you were getting in
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that you were like, I definitely need to try that.
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I want to be a part of that. And did
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you ever get to that or is that still a
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goal of yours?
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Honestly, no, I didn't really have any goals. I didn't
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really have any goals probably until like 10 months in, honestly.
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Okay.
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It wasn't something that I was like, oh, I want
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to excel in this. It was something like, I need
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to help. I need help. Like, I don't have any friends.
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I'm lonely. I don't have any like actual outlets other
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than working out. So I don't know. It's just hard
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to answer because it's a little bit different. Sure.
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No, I get it. I get it. I have to
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ask this. And again, you can't do a show like
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mine and like shit on adult performers whatsoever. And I'm
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not doing that. But it almost sounds like you're this
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hot girl who really knows how to manage this shit well.
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And you're just every response was kind of like, yeah,
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that's all right.
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I kind of just go with the flow. I don't
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plan shit. Everything has come to me, thank goodness. But
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I think it's because I have good karma.
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You're a kind person and kindness comes back to you, right?
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I think so.
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Okay. All right. That's solid. So do we have any
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goals now that we're shooting towards? Like anything we're reaching for?
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I mean, I did just win my first award, which
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I'm very proud of. from DSN Awards in Italy for
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Best International Rising Star. So, yay! I didn't plan that either. Cool.
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Thank you very much, Italy. I'm very grateful. But, I
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don't know. I... I leave that up to my PR guy.
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I don't concern myself with it.
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Okay. All right. Like, like you said, you won best
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international rising star at the DSN awards in Italy. How
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the fuck do you win an award in Italy? Oh,
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you just said it.
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Italians really like me.
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Do you fuck around with pasta at all? Like what's
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your deal?
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But when I went to Italy, my ex-husband, we're friends now,
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but he, like I posted a picture on my social media,
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my personal social media. And he, he split up on
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it and he was like, in Italy without your Italian ex.
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And I'm like, you're Italian? I didn't even know he
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was Italian. But I think, yeah, no, Italians meant just
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like me. My man now is Italian.
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Okay, all right. I love this. I have to say,
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I really do love your personality. I so wish I
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had the talent to be able to just go, I'm
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going to put a show out here and just And
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then this Ukrainian fucking podcast commission goes, we'd like to
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give you an award. All right, cool. Sounds nice.
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Thanks.
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Send it on over.
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I'm very grateful. I'm still just kind of in shock. Honestly,
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I don't really know how to react.
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Was that was that the most validating feeling you've had
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so far in this industry? Or was there something else
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that like when when were you like, oh, oh, I
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really fucking belong. Like, not just I belong. I could
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be something huge in this.
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I mean, the award was definitely like a really nice
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confirmation of that and a much like bolder statement. But.
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Trying to think I've had I've had like directors, cameramen,
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just like crew, I guess, comment on it before. They're like, oh,
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you're going to do great. You're going to do amazing. Like.
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talking very future-oriented. My PR guy seems very invested in me. Granted,
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I pay him, but.
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I can tell you behind the scenes, he is very...
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I'll go very far. Your PR agent behind the scenes
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is very invested. In between seasons when I wasn't booking,
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he's like, oh, Tia Summer's got to get her on.
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I'm like... Is he the reason I get on these podcasts? Yeah.
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I'm like, I'm sitting on my couch right now, man.
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Like I just finished 20 episodes or something. And he's like, no, no, no.
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Okay.
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But when you're booking gang, get Theo on. I'm like,
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not a problem, buddy. Not a problem.
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I will. He was like, pick a time now. I
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was like, okay, okay. That's what you have to do though.
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You kind of have to parent me.
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That's OK. That's all right. What is your most requested
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thing that you've yet to do that people?
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OK.
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00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:58.390
OK. Fair enough. Now, is that a are we building
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up to eventually do a big anal scene someday? Is
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that a branding thing or is that you just don't
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feel like doing it? It's not your thing.
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At first, I didn't feel like doing it. But actually,
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00:27:07.890 --> 00:27:09.849
I really love anal. The reason I didn't want to
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do it is because I was injured at the time.
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And I had an injury that was healing and honestly
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still is. But it's taken a long time. But I
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am honestly planning on starting anal soon, like within the
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next couple months, depending on how my training goes. I
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haven't taken like a dick in my ass in a
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very long time, but. my ex I would cam with
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had a nine inch dick. It was thick too. So
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I took that in my ass. I don't know how,
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but if I'm able to take that, like I'm good,
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you know? Sure.
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Sure.
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Okay. All right.
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Um, are there any types of, again, content you want
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to produce that maybe isn't requested by your fans, but
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you think, Oh, if I do this, they might like
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this kind of shit. Whether it's I have no idea
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whether it's bondage, whether it's gangbang stuff, whether it's more
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acting where you're like, hi, I'm the little sis, whatever
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it is. Is there anything you get requested that you're like, yeah,
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I need to dive into that or you're not sure
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how your audience will react to it?
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I don't know.
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I mean, I'm.
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Really open, open minded, so I'm not necessarily against anything.
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If an opportunity arises, I'll definitely do it. Mm hmm.
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if I'm not too lazy. But I don't know. As
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far as what people request, it's a lot of anal.
568
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:44.579
It's a lot of anal. I posted some bondage things,
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but I don't get a ton of requests for it.
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I know that Kink wants to film me. I would
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love to film with Kink, but I'm not allowed to
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until I get to two years, according to my agent.
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Because they're not allowed to defile me yet.
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Okay.
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All right. I'm a little masochist.
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00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:03.230
All right. Where does that come from? Again, you seem
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so sweet and whatever. Why do you enjoy masochism so much?
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00:29:08.710 --> 00:29:12.029
Honestly, it's hard to say. Because when I was a
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cam girl, I learned I had a pain. Okay. Sorry,
580
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my friend just came back.
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That's totally fine.
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Hello?
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I'll cut this stuff off. Hi.
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I'm sorry. Who are you? Who are you? I'm Bella's friend.
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I'm Bella's grandmother. Oh, oh, I'm so sorry. I'm in
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the middle of a video call, of a video conference. Sorry.
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00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:48.299
It's okay. It's kind of true. Okay. Sorry, just one moment.
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Please stand by.
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00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.759
Okay, this is Matt. I have to explain to you
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exactly what happened during my interview with Thea Summers.
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So.
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We're there. We're finishing the interview. I have a few
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more questions left. We're going to get into all kinds
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of fun stuff. And all of a sudden, the door
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opens behind her. And she goes, hello? And the camera
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00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:12.880
tilts down. That's kind of what you saw in the video.
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00:30:13.809 --> 00:30:17.809
She goes, hello? And there's talking in the background. And, uh,
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00:30:17.990 --> 00:30:21.589
it's an older woman. And she's saying, hello? You know,
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I'm an older woman. Or whatever she said. And, uh,
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And Thea was like, oh, hi, I'm so-and-so's friend. I'm
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staying here. And the lady says, oh, you're her friend.
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Oh.
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And we pause and I get quiet. And Thea goes,
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don't say anything. And I go, I know, I gotcha.
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And I'm like, maybe we'll wait this out. Maybe we'll
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see where it goes. And, uh. Yeah, it just didn't
607
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:56.599
seem like this lady was leaving. Like maybe she was like,
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this is my granddaughter's house. I'm going to fucking sit
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on the couch, crack a beer, watch some SportsCenter. I
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00:31:02.420 --> 00:31:07.460
don't know what she was doing. I assume it wasn't that. Yeah,
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I thought Thea was great. One really cool thing about
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Thea that we never consider, because I always glaze these
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00:31:17.150 --> 00:31:20.859
porn stars. No, you know, no pun intended. But I
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00:31:20.900 --> 00:31:24.279
always glaze these porn stars on creating a business and
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building a business and having it be a business and
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treating it like a business and respecting it like a business.
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And sometimes you have to take a step back and
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really think about it and go, yeah, but look at
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this industry. This industry is all about fun and sex
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and joy and all that other bullshit I don't get
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on a daily basis. Um, And it's kinda nice to
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00:31:49.829 --> 00:31:54.769
see someone who's just like, you know, the independent channels,
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my thing, whatever, that's there, you're welcome to join. My
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00:31:59.829 --> 00:32:03.410
job is to fuck on camera when big sites call
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00:32:03.450 --> 00:32:08.299
me to come fuck on camera. There is something freeing
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00:32:08.380 --> 00:32:14.099
about that, right? You're always seeing the porn star. And, uh, yeah,
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00:32:14.460 --> 00:32:17.319
I don't know, I think that's kinda cool. I like
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talking to Thea. I hope to meet her someday. And yeah,
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it was great. It was really great having her on.
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At Thea Summers, you know exactly where to find her.
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Make sure you follow up with these performers. It's the
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most important thing you can do. It really is. And comment. Fucking,
633
00:32:36.309 --> 00:32:40.049
that's my new thing. Push that hard. Just comment, saw
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you on Going Deeper. That's all you have to say.
635
00:32:43.309 --> 00:32:47.359
And that will do wonders for this show. All the big,
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giant names you guys request in the comments that I'm
637
00:32:50.500 --> 00:32:54.309
always like, I'm trying. I've sent 50 emails to some
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00:32:54.329 --> 00:32:58.259
of these people. Nothing back. Nothing at all. Talk to
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my PR agents. They're not repped. Talk to this, that, whatever.
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The most important thing you can do for me is
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letting them know I saw you on Going Deeper. I
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00:33:08.779 --> 00:33:10.519
loved you on Going Deeper. Oh, my God, you were
643
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.420
so great on Going Deeper. Throw that out there. But, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Thea Summers is great. Check her content out if you
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want to, if she's your style. She's definitely my type
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of style. And I will be digging deeply into her
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content going forward. Yeah. All right. For Going Deeper, this
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is Matt. I will see you next week.
