FKN Classics Double! | Raymond Szymanski - Military UFOs | Michelle Freed - Remote Viewing

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Tonight, I want to welcome back to the show Raymond Zamanski.
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He's an award winning author, researcher, and expert on Wright
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Patterson Air Force Base and it's alien connections. He retired
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in twenty eleven as a senior engineer and scientist from
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the Air Force Research Laboratory at Right Patterson. Tonight, he
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is back to discuss his latest book, Swamp Gas My ass. Raymond,
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welcome back.
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How you doing awesome. I'm happy to be back. Thanks
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for having me.
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It's great to have you back on. And I think
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it's been like over a year. It's been way too long,
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and like we were saying before the show, it's a
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completely different world that we live in, and we're actually,
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i think witnessing a pretty obvious increase in people's interest
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in topics like extraterrestrials and UFOs, which I find very interesting.
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And it's like I said, it's been a while since
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you've been on, and you have such a really interesting
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background when it comes to your history at Wright Patterson
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and some of the stories that you've had in your books,
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and last time we talked about your previous books, but
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if you could remind the audience about what was it
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that really led you down your path of extraterrestrial research.
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Well, as you mentioned, I spent nearly four decades working
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at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, and I think everybody's
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very familiar with that connection. Supposedly the roswell material was
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brought there. Aliens, if they existed, supposedly were brought there,
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and right pat has been continuously, you know, through the
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last seventy five years, associated with that phenomena. Well, I
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worked there for nearly four decades and when I left,
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I was a senior scientist. But during the first week
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of my employment, I was assigned to a mentor who
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we'll call Al. And Al was a mid level engineer.
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So during the first week he wanted the only where
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the coffee shop was now our setup in that building
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was there were two two story office buildings and in
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between them was a hangar about two hundred and fifty
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feet in length, and this is a massive hanger. That's
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where they would repair airplanes or you know, augment airplanes
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for testing. Huge hangar, but at that point in January
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of nineteen seventy three, it was empty. So we leave
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the first two story business office, which is where we
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were located, and we go down a short ramp and
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we're in this building and it's dark and empty and
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there's nothing in there, and you can see the big
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girders that support the roof and there's just nothing but darkness.
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So we're walking through and he turns to me and
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he said, have you heard about our aliens. I'm a
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nineteen year old co op student from the University of Detroit,
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so I don't know aliens from Jack. So I said, hey, hey,
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you know we have this conversation and he tells me, well,
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there was a crash out west and I brought their
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machines and their occupants to write Patterson for evaluation and exploitation.
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And I was like, WHOA stunned. So it was at
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that point where I said, something's going on here. Well,
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as time went on, and you know, the days and
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weeks are moving forward and I'm a co op student,
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I start meeting more and more people because als my
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mentor is introducing me, you know, to Dug from Accounting
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and somebody else from this department, and just handed people
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to know that are you know, near my age or
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recent college grads? And every time I had a chance,
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I'd ask them hey, al told me about having aliens
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in the tunnels. Man, what's all that about? And they'd go, oh, yeah, yeah,
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we've got aliens here at Wright Patterson. Well, come to
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find out that Project blue Book had been there for
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over twenty years and it was hosted a Write Patterson
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at the Foreign Technology Division, and pretty much everyone to
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a person knew about Project blue Book. They didn't really
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know what they were up to, you know, and it
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kind of took blue Books words there's nothing going on.
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But for me that was the start. I'll mentioned aliens.
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Everybody's kind of backing up his story. And though I
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didn't take it all in, you know, it wasn't hook
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line and Sinker, it got me thinking and that's really
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where it all started for me, right there during my
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first week at Right pat.
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Now, based on some of the testimony that you've heard
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from employees and various people that you've encountered at Right Patterson,
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what are some of the I guess most profound but
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lesser known stories that you know, we may not have
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heard of. You know, we've all heard about the of course,
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you know Roswell stories, but what are some of the
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lesser known Right Patterson stories.
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You know, there's probably one thousand stories, there's twenty five
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thousand people, eight thousand acres, over six hundred buildings. Do
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you mean specifically to the most profound for you, Well,
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obviously there's a couple here, and the first one has
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to do with whether or not alien bodies were brought
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to Right Patterson Air Force bace. We know that whatever
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material was picked up in the desert outside you know,
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seventy five miles northwest of Roswell, you know, thirty miles
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outside of Corona, we know that material came to Wright
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Patterson Air Force Space. And how do we know that? Well,
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Jesse Marcel who was the intelligence officer of the five
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or ninth bomb group at Roswell quote you know called
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Roswell Army Airfield in nineteen forty seven. When he was there,
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he was tasked by Colonel Blanchard, who was the head
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of our AAF, to go out to the Foster rants
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and pick up all of this metal out. He and
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Sheraton Cavid, another intelligence officer, drove up there, spent the night.
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Next day, they got as much as they could in
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their car, drove it back, was examined on the base,
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and then they wrote the story. They said, hey, we
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got a crash disc. But it was Marcel who was
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tasked to get on a plane and take that material
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to the eighth Army Air Force headquarters in Fort Worth,
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So he personally escorted it. When he got there, it
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was a photograph of him, you know, holding what was
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not the material he brought. It was a weather balloon
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that they had brought in, you know, crunched it up.
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And then at that same office was a man by
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the name of Thomas Dubo's who eventually became a general,
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but that moment in time, Thomas Dubo's. General Thomas Dubo's
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was the chief of staff for the eighth Army Air
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Force where the material was being delivered. Later in life,
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he signed a legal document that said the material that
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was here, that came out of Oswell was not of
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this planet to his belief, and that material was sent
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to Wright Patterson Air Force Base. So whatever that material was,
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there was no doubt. It is indisputable, beyond debate that
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material went to Wright Patterson Air Force Base for evaluation.
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Now that information goes all the way back to nineteen
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forty seven when it happened, and in the late seventies,
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when Stanton Friedman first uncovered Jesse Marcel, probably about nineteen
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seventy eight and got his testimony recorded, so that connection
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is indisputable. Now there's this alien connection, and I have
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never found any convincing testimony by anybody that has convinced
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me that aliens were part of the delivery. And here's why.
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If they came in at the same time as the material,
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Jesse Marcel would have said something to it about it.
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To Stanton Friedman in nineteen seventy eight, he would have said,
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a we had alien bodies or be part of the
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material that we shipped. There there were caskets involved. It
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was his job to escort whatever came out of Roswell,
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so as the official guy, he had to know what
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was there. He never said anything about aliens. In fact,
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it is my belief that the first mention of aliens
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in right Patterson came off the lips of Glenn Dennis, who,
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if you remember, was the embalmer some people call him
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the undertaker there for Ballad Funeral Home. He was an
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employee there and I think in the late eighties he
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had mentioned to some researcher about those caskets. So that
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alien connection to never became an issue until nineteen eighty nine.
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Now that's forty one years after it happened, after you know,
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the Roswell crash, and not a single Air Force person
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who was in that chain of custody loop like Marcel
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or General Dubo's had ever mentioned aliens. So for me
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and I hope everyone else out there, and I'd love
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to be proven wrong for the Roswell crash, I think
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the aliens were something that might have just been a
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periphery story. Or if there were aliens, and Glenn Dennis
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did indeed sourced small little caskets they came to they
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were shipped somewhere else at a different time, And we're
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not on that B twenty nine or whatever Marcel used
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to bring that silvery material to Wright Patterson. I'm really
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squishy on that whole alien thing. So despite the fact
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that you know, people joked about aliens being in the
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tunnel and that sort of thing, it just seems less
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real to me than the things that we can prove
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with the materials.
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Now, other than the story of the alien bodies or
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the material, is there anything more modern that you've heard
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of that could possibly have occurred at Wright Patterson or
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maybe even underground in these alleged underground bases.
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There is documentation and I actually do a lecture called
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Haunted Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Now, this lecture is
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based upon information that I've been able to collect from
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base employees who experienced it. These are the first hand witnesses. Now,
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how did that all come about? Well, it must have
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been a well over a decade. When you remember the
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ghost hunters, there's the tapskis the Atlantic Paranormal Society. You know,
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they became famous, they're still famous. Well, they came to
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Write Patterson to do their three night ghost hunt and
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they staked out three different buildings, one each night. And
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the reason they did that is because one there were
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newspaper articles which I have copies of, and there were
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a couple of witnesses, recent witnesses who knew each other
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on the base through their jobs. They had to interact
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and they got the talking and they said, wouldn't it
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be cool if we got the ghost hunters here on
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the base. So they wound up doing it because the
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base commander at the time was really open minded, and
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I wish I could remember her name. At this point,
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but so she invited them onto the base. Well, it
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turns out that at one point in my career, I
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spent two years working as a direct report for a
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different base commander, a Colonel Spacey, and Colonel Spacey because
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he was the base commander, the two women who were
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the ghost witnesses were still associated with his office because
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was the head of protocol. If the President of the
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United States comes to the base at Right Patterson, that
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woman when she before she retired, she was the liaison.
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Her office was the liaison between the US President and
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Right Patterson. So she was a very prominent person, but
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I knew her personally. The way that happened is while
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I was working for the base commander, I was the
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director of the civilian wellness program, the Installation Civilian Wellness Program,
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So I was a direct report to the base commander,
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and I had given that woman and her staff a
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personal tour of the fitness facility and had those experts
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also tour them around. The objective was to get that group,
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that singular group interested in their own personal wellness. But
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I did that for the entire Right Patterson Air Force Base.
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So I had all twelve thousand civilians under my purview
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for that aspect of it, and we ran these base
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wide wellness programs. The point is I was at the
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top of the food chain at right Patterson Air Force Base,
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working directly for the base commander, and was one of
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only a handful of people who had the capability and
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the right to send out an email to the entire
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base population. So I knew a ton of people, and
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everyone on the base knew me. So when I started
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to investigate stories of this paranormal when the ghost hunters
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came on, a lot of people came forward and told
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me their stories. I also discovered when I did the
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first lecture that a woman in a bas newspaper article
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who was one of the she provided the testimony on
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all of her occurrences with these paranormal entities. Her granddaughter
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got in touch with me and said, I heard this
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thing on Zoom. You were talking about my grandmother. I
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was in the building and I had paranormal experiences. Her
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story had never been told before, so she gave me
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your phone number. We hooked up and I had her
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as a guest on some of my Zoom presentations in
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which I did on Hunted White Patterson Air Force Base
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So here's the catch. Here's this little hookup. The building
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where her grandmother was working was Building to nineteen, Building
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two nineteen, at not at the time her grandmother worked there,
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but at the time of some of these stories, and
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in nineteen forty seven, it was the base hospital, and
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if alien bodies had been brought to White Patterson in
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nineteen forty seven, they would have one hundred percent been
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processed to Building two nineteen because that was the only
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place on base that had a morgue, had operating facilities,
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had doctors, nurses, had X ray machines, had all the
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diagnostic tools, had you know, everything you needed to store
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the bodies, to examine the bodies, to do autopsies, to
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do evaluation, an all in secret. And that was the
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building where there had been decades of paranormal experiences by
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employees as the building went from a hospital to a
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pediatric clinic, to being the housing to being an office
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space for the Foreign Technology Division, the same guys that
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did Project Blue Book. So that was for me one
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of the coolest things is to go in and I
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actually had office space in there for a short time
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when there were some renovations going on. When I was
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the wellness guy and I had stored some stuff and
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it was only a couple of weeks, and then I
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had left some stuff in here, and we stored giveaways
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and T shirts and whatever, so I had cause to
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go in and out. And so present day people that
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I worked with, like at the USAF Marathon office whose
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office used to be next to mine, and I was
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in there all the time. They told me stories which
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I rolled into. Their paranormal experience is in building two nineteen.
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So and then the interesting thing was when the ghost
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hunters were there, that was one of the buildings they
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didn't get a response in. That was probably the most
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paranormal rich building on the base prior to their attendance,
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but it was a one night thing and it just
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didn't show itself. So for me, you know, that's kind
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of cool because that never got attention until we'd have
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to look it up. When the when the ghost hunters
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would like an had to be like, oh, I want
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to say two thousand and eight, maybe you know right
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around there, and I should know, but you know, I'd
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do hundreds of talks and I've got all kinds of
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forms of them. I just you know, don't really remember
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dates that well, but for me, beyond the alien things.
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Even though this has a potential alien connection, I think
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that's one of the coolest things about right Pat, is
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this paranormal history. And there's two other places where the
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ghost hunters did find paranormalty.
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Now I'm glad that you're you're bringing up the possible
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connections with paranormal activity and extra terrestrials. Lately, I've had
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quite a few people on and I've been just talking
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in private to people who are trying to put these
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connections together. And one gentleman said that he has encounters
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with crafts and then after the craft leaves, he will
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have paranormal activity in his house. And this, you know,
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this happens in quite a few locations like skin Walker Ranch,
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blind Frog Rance. Here are these places of high strangeness
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and seemingly high energy that seem to have these connections
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to paranormal and extraterrestrials, which I find very interesting.
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What type of experiences are they describing after the craft depart.
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Well, uh probably uh uh. The one the gentleman I
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spoke with was said that if he had poltergeist activity
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in his house and things would move and he may
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seem like shadow people after a craft encounter.
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Well, think about the high electro magnetic field that these
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things generate, and you know, radioactivity for example, or you know,
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they might be cleansing their ship and they're dropping used
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boron that's you know, got was used to control radioactive
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processes on the craft. So those things may you know,
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be stored somewhere within the building. I don't know just
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off the top of my head how that electromagnetic energy
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would be stored, but maybe they got a dosage of it,
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and you know it's it temporarily affects the brain waves.
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You know, we know that's possible and we know that's proven,
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so maybe you know that's that's an issue. Or I've
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seen some recent articles about a gentleman who's doing research
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about those who have been in the vicinity of craft
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and he's looking at their the brain scans or MRIs
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or whatever they're using, and he's finding these deformations which
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shouldn't be there, which means the brain has been physically altered.
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So I think there's a lot of ways that you know,
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energy that's being transmitted off those craft could cause hallucinations
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or loss of balance, or you know, temporary blindness or
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you know, loss of hearing, those sorts of things.
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Right, Yeah, man, that's stuff is super interesting. Now I
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want to get into your new book, Swamp Gas my ass. Now,
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this tells the true story of a nineteen sixty six
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Michigan swamp gas UFO case. Now, for those in the
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audience that really aren't familiar with this, could you give
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us an overview about what happened?
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I will, and I'd love to. In fact, the coolest
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thing is I have a connection to this because I
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was born and raised in Detroit. Now Detroit is about
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this was you know, near the city airport, so as
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the crow flies, you know, it would probably take about
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forty five minutes to drive westward from where you know
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I grew up to the area where all these UFOs
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were appearing over a three to four week period. Now
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this is like Dexter, Michigan, Hillsdale, Michigan Ann Arbor, which is,
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you know, the largest city in that territory. So and
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also just another little background, where I grew up was
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about twenty miles from Selfage Air Force Base, probably even
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closer maybe fifteen is the crow flies. So if you
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can imagine a triangle where Selfage Air Force Base is here,
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ann Arbor is here, and the house I'm living in
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is over here. It's just kind of a strange shaped triangle.
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But in nineteen sixty six, in March, hundreds of people
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were seeing UFOs, multiple UFOs. Occasionally they would see a
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single UFO which would be joined by a second and
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then two more. They would fly off in unison, and
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the witnesses were dozens of police officers to start with,
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and they were filing reports, you know, said hey, you
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know the death, sergeant, we saw this. You know, some
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took photographs of it. Hundreds of citizens saw these well.
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Every time they called Selfridge Air Force Base, which was
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the closest air Force base and a very important one
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at that. In nineteen sixty six, Selfridge had two f
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one oh six squadrons, the seventy first and the ninety fourth,
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and they were important because the US Air Force thought
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that the Russians, if they were going to bomb the US,
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would come up over the North Pole through Canada and
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the first place they would fly into would be New
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York and Michigan. So there were fighter interceptor bases in
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those states. So while this UFO activity going on, people
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were calling Selfish Air Force Base, and initially the public
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affairs official at Selfridge said, yes, we've seen the objects too,
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but they didn't pose a threat. You know, they were
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here and gone, so we didn't scramble airplanes. And then
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the lid slammed down. That's the only occasion and only
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one quote where a newspaper man by the name of
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William Tremmel got a quote from Selfish Air Force Base
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public affairs official admitting that these things were flying around.
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Imagine you know Selfridge, and the place where it was
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happening was within an hour's drive. So it's a blink
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of an eye for a UFO, right. Well, the local officials,
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since they didn't get anything out of Selfridge, they decided
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to do two things. First, they contacted Project Blue Book
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and said, you guys need to hear about this. And
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they also contacted their low local congressional representative, West n Vivian,
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who in turn contacted Gerald Ford, who was the minority
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leader in Congress, so he's a powerful guy. So after
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several days of getting stonewalled by Selfridge and those officials
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and Battle Creek, which was the control center, Blue Book
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sent doctor Heinek and a couple of airmen to investigate
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and imagine. Now. One of the incidents was a gentleman
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by the name of Frank Manner and his son Ronald
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on the twentieth of March, at about eight thirty in
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the evening. They were living in Dexter Township, which is
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about a mile north of the little tiny hub of Dexter, Michigan,
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as we know it today, and they saw what they
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described as a fireball coming out of the sky and stopping.
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They thought it was a meteor, and it's stopped at
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the tree top level and hovered, and then it had
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these lights that blinked. So they saw it go land
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and they ran out and they got within a couple
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hundred feet at it's about five hundred feet as the
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best as I can determine. They got so close that
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they could tell what the texture of the outside looked like.
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They could tell where the positions of the lights were,
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the colors of the lights, what kind of sequence. These
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boys were right on top of this thing. So when
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they said something to each other or moved that one
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blinked out, and five hundred yards away another UFO blinked on,
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and they went and no, they were unsure. You know,
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they only saw one thing come down, and what they
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probably didn't know at the time was there were multiple
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UFOs in the woods at that time, which is going
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to be proven out in a minute. They went back
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to their house to call the sheriff. He was already
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on his way because people in that area had seen this,
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and they sent the sheriff to the Manner's home because
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they said they thought it landed right in his backyard.
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So Manner was one of the principal witnesses. His son.
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There were a dozen sheriff's deputies, police from Dexter Township
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the city of Milan, and they're all running through the
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woods for up to four hours with flashlights and they
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get close to this thing, it would blink out and
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it would peer on the other side of the woods. Well,
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after about four hours of chasing this one of them
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pops up out of the woods, hovers over a car
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of a Dexter police officer, a Honeywell, who's on the
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north side of this property. At which all this activities
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going on. You imagine a dozen sheriffs and police officers
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chasing these things with flashlights and they're popping up and
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so officer honeywell, see there, and he's got a witness
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in the car with him. He describes later and he
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identifies and he said, after about fifteen and he's watching
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the flashlights in the woods, another one pops up. She's
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got two overs car. Two more come out of the
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woods and join up, and they just rush off out
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of there, and of course he files an official report,
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so dozens of police officers eyewitnesses. The next night, a
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UFO appears on the campus of a university and there
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are ninety witnesses, including a man who was the director
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of the local civil Defense office because his wife worked
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on the campus and she made sure that he got
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called because this thing was public safety for the area.
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So he gets called and they watch this craft hover
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over the local arboretum a few hundred feet away for
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up to four hours. So all the end up there
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were two police officers who filed the report because they
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were called to Hillsdale College. They saw this thing at
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close range and it sped off, and their report synchronized
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with the witnesses at Hillsdale College about when this thing disappeared.
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Lots of corroborating evidence. The congressmen are on it, the
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police are reporting it, they send doctor Heinek to investigate.
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After three days of investigation, he has a press conference
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with radio stations and sixty reporters in the Detroit Press
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Club and he says it was swamp gas. It was
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swamp gas. Oh, of course, everybody blew a gasket. And
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President Ford said, this is bull crap. So on the
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fifth of April, he called the Secretary of the Air Force,
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he called doctor Heineck, he called Major Quintinilla, who was
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the head of blue book on the carpet, and they
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all had to fly to Washington. And on the fifth
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of April, a congression, a congressional inquiry was held, and
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guess what happened. They said, we want to know what
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happened in Michigan. And they told them, well, sir, we're
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sticking with our swamp gas story. So they lied to
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these guys and then they made a bs about Oh,
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the weather was so conducive, it was perfect for creating
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swamp casts. I went back to the official weather records.
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It was exactly the opposite. They had thunderstorms there, there
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was high wind, and it was too cold for swamp
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gas to collect. They lied about the witnesses. They lied
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about the testimony. Literally, the Congressional testimony is there, and
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when you read what the witnesses said and you compare
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it to what the Secretary of the Air Force and
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his cronies told Congress, it's a pack of lies. Now
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fast forward and that's where the story stayed. That's where
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you know the phrase it's only swamp gas came from.
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Yeah, that was it.
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Now fast forward to January of twenty twenty. Without giving
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away any trade secrets, I discovered a witness who was
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stationed at Salvage Air Force Base in March of nineteen
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sixty six, and he was a pilot assigned to the
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seventy first Fighter Interceptor Squadron. And when I found him
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and told him who I was and what I wanted
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to discuss with him, he said, okay, let's set up
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a meeting, and we did, and he said, it's about
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time I need to tell someone this story. So I
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went over and I met him, and one of the
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first things I discovered is is he was suffering from
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terminal cancer and so he knew his time was limited.
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He passed on the eighteenth of November of this year.
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So I got to spend a full year interviewing him
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and finding corroborating evidence for his story. And here's what
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he's told me. He said that in March of nineteen
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sixty six, he and a friend in the squadron, Bob Nicholson,
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they were captains. They were on what was called five
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minute alert and the Clackson went off, and that meant
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in five minutes they had to F one O six
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is up in the air trying to find the bogie
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and they would be vectored to that bogie by the
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control center in Battle Creek. So they got into their
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planes and he was the first one off, so that
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made him the mission leader. That made Bob the wingman.
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And for forty five minutes they were being vectored around
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because people on the ground and radar had alerted the
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authorities that there was something unidentified flying in the skies
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at that time, and so within forty five minutes they
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had located this craft. It was silvery. It was described
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as football shaped, which you know kind of resembles a
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disc if you rotate it right. And he told me
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this amazing story of chasing this silvery craft around southeastern
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Michigan for forty five minutes and having it in his
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windshield and verifying the visual sighting with his wingman, and
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verifying the fact that both of them got hits on
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their radar which were recorded for posterity. So swamp gas
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my ass. Which is this little beauty right here? And
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you know it must have been it must have been
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something deep in my mind and you know, buried a
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long time ago, because I didn't notice it until just now.
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And I'm going to share this with you. The coloration
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of my book is eerily similar to a book that
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I love here by Bud Hopkins. And I did not
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notice that until until I pulled this book out for
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this Show and Tell today, I went, oh my god,
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it was yeah, this is this is just this is
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just really.
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Cruel, man, Yeah, very close.
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I did not look I did not look at books
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for inspiration, but that's the way it happened. So let
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me tell you about Colonel Carroll, because he's the hero here.
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He became a full bird colonel that's one step below general.
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In the book. He gave me permission to publish his
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entire official DD two fourteen. So the readers are going
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to be able to look at that and say, I
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can establish that he was at Selfish Air Force base.
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Between this data and that date, I can establish the
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head over five thousand hours as a pilot, over four
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thousand of those we're in fighter jets. The same thing
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with his wingman. I do not have a complete DD
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two fourteen, but I have the essential portion that shows
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where he was, when he was and what he did
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for a living for the Air Force. I also have
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excerpts from a previous classified National Security Agency document which
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was classified top secret ultra and has now been heavily redacted.
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But portions of that document that weren't redacted, I've used
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it as corroborating evidence for other exploits of these two pilots.
526
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And so not only do I cover the true story
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of the swamp gat Ufo, but I cover some good
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segments of both of those individuals and show the reader
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how important they were to the national security of the
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United States and how skilled they were as jet fighter pilots.
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So that's my latest endeavor. And I think, you know,
532
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you get all these guys out here that you know
533
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:51.400
they're talking disclosure, but not really disclosing anything. They're just
534
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regurgitating a discussion or giving you their opinion of well.
535
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:58.880
I think that nine page report by the Office of
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the National Intelligence Director. But they're not revealing anything. Well,
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what I want you, what I want your audience to
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know is is swamp gas. My ass is disclosure. It's
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the word. It is testimony which I took from over
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thirty hours of recorded testimony, and I exerted and I
541
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made transcripts, and it is in there, not all thirty hours.
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It is a man who kept a secret for fifty
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five years and chose to reveal it to me and
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gave me permission to reveal it to your audience.
545
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:33.960
One hundred percent. Yeah, that is the true disclosure. It's
546
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the people who've had these experiences, and you know, the whistleblowers,
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00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.800
the contact these that's where the truth lies. And we
548
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:42.519
all know what the truth is already. But I was
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going to ask you, you've brought up this kind of
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modern pseudo disclosure whatever the hell they think is going on,
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But what do you feel about this narrative that they're
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kind of portraying since twenty seventeen with the New York
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Times article. Then they throw a little bit more out
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there and then re lit back ends won't gas, won't gas?
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Throw a little bit out there really ends won't gas,
556
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won't gas, and they did it big time recently. Now
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00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.119
we hear silence leading no one's talking about UFOs anymore
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00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:12.639
in the news or the mainstream. So what do you
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think is going on with this kind of weird UFO
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narrative lately.
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Well, I can understand the criticism of the process, having
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been inside the government and know that at times it
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can move like a glacier. I think the nine page
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report has been highly criticized, but people don't. People who
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criticize it really are short selling it. They either you know,
566
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are personally not satisfied with it for some egotistical reason.
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You know, I'm the guy always on the TV talking
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and you know I'm allowed to criticize it. Let's see
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what they said. For me, it's mind blowing because I
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never thought and I have to go back to all
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these interviews that I did before and take back what
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I said, because I said, I don't expect anything like
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the disclosure that they put out there in my lifetime.
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So let's think about this. Here's the three top things
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that you can derive. They said, these objects display technology
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which far exceeds ours and any of our known adversaries. Okay,
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so that is that's a crazy admission. Then they said
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it is definitely a safety of flight issue. That's a
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mind blower. And then they said it is possibly a
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problem of you know, national interest are national security is
581
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potentially at stake if you put those three things together.
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What they said to me is flying saucers are real.
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We are very concerned and we need to do something
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about it. But you have all these people, and you know,
585
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:26.159
notice the guys who are criticizing things. How half of
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them are Canadian citizens, so their vote doesn't count. Or
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they're expatriots out of who knows where, England or whatever. Sorry,
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your vote doesn't count. You know, this is Americans for Americans,
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buy Americans. You might live in this country now, but
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as far as I'm concerned, you don't have a vote.
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I think it's mind blowing revelation. It's just mind blowing. Basically,
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flying saucers are real, and that people complain, well, it's
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going to go in the intelligence agencies and we're never
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going to see anything. Well that might be with good reason.
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If you don't like it, go back to Canada or
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the country you came from. They already admitted they got
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you that far. I mean, obviously now there has to
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be more pressure put on, but how can you discount
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what they put in that nine page report that was massive.
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That's a major paradigm shift over the last seventy five years.
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Yeah, And do you think that possibly within our lifetime
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we could see a shift from we don't know what
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they are they are on identified craft to they are
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craft for off planet species or extraterrestrials or you know, aliens,
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whatever they want to choose to label the occupants of
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these ships. Do you think that the narrative will ever
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shift to what's going on inside? Who's driving these things?
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You mean the narrative of.
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The official Yes, the official narrative.
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You know, I'm not on the inside, but I know
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what the narrative is. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions,
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of people know what the narrative is. Do we need
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the government to tell us what the narrative is? I
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don't think so. I mean, I wrote the last book
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of the trilogy, came out a month before, and nobody
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knew what those nine pages, you know, we're going to contain.
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And I wrote three books that listed my position. We've
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been visited, we're being abducted. We're using being used as
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you know, part of a hybridization program. I put those
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things out there. Hundreds of other researchers have posited the
621
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same thing, and now what happened. The government said flying
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sauces are real. Do we need the government to tell
623
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us that? I don't think so. I don't. I don't
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because if I do, I'm, you know, forty years ahead
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of them. I just think that, you know, they've got
626
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to see what the response is to everything as they
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as they get it out there. And you know, let
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me put you in their position. What if I told you, Chris,
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tomorrow morning, you have to perform brain surgery at Bones
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Accurse Hospital. I've just anointed you your new job, and
631
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:24.280
you're a brain surgeon. Well, of course you can't do
632
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:29.400
it because the patient will die. Imagine you know, these
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earthbound people who just happen to work in the government
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and have technology that has been shown to be obsolete
635
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compared to what they've seen, you know, tik tak and
636
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go fast and all these other gimbal guys. Now they
637
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have a job they can't possibly do. Who wants to
638
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:48.719
get out there and go, oh yeah, we're working on it.
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00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:51.559
You know, there's a lot of pressure. And this is
640
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what Colonel Carroll said. He said the reason that the government,
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when he was flying, didn't want it to leak out
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is because the taxpayers and the congressmen who were already
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going crazy during that time, right Gerald Ford was out there,
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Representative Vivian's was out there calling Blue Book every day saying,
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we give you all of this technology and you can't
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00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.519
tell me anything about the adversary? Why am I doing
647
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this for you? Who wants to live under that pressure?
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So I don't envy these guys. In fact, I'm shocked
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that they put out that report. I'm absolutely shocked that
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they made that much of an admission. For me, it's
651
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a mind blower. It's case closed right.
652
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Well, now, you also mentioned hybridization programs and the possibility
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that we have been involved in these programs for a
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long time, and I've had plenty of guests that believe
655
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the same thing, and I'm definitely entertaining that as well.
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Do you think that, first of all, how far and
657
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:58.280
how far back do you think this has been going on?
658
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And is this a nefarious agenda? Are a positive agenda?
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What are your thoughts on that?
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In my second book called Victoria's Secret Truth. It's a
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two year case study that I did on a woman
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named Victoria and her family. And Victoria has had she
663
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has conscious memories of contact. A lot of her memories
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were buried behind screen memories, and so she had four
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hypnotic regressions with three world class therapists, twice with doctor
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Leo Sprinkle, who unfortunately just passed, once with Avonne Smith,
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and once with Barbara lamp And between the three of
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them they have probably done, just using the numbers from
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each several thousand regressions on individuals who claim to be
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experience hers. So they're the the cream of the crop
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for this type of investigation. And using hypnotic therapy, they
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00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:09.920
were able to bring victorious recollections out of the subconscious
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to the conscious level, and those were recorded during her
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hypnotic sessions, and those recordings were given to me to
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use for the book. In discussing this with Victoria, she
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admits that she is part of an alien hybridization program.
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That they have taken her eggs and they have used
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them to create entities. Now, why they're doing that, I
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did not explore. My job was to establish the fact
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that something was happening. Was to evaluate the best I
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could those video recordings and audio recordings that were given
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to me to discuss the same with all three of
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the therapist. In fact, doctor Sprinkle wrote the ForWord for
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my book, Victoria's Secret Truth, and he praised the book.
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He praised my approach to the book. So I got
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a lot of good support from him, and he totally
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agrees with my conclusions. He was able to review the manuscript,
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edit it, give me comments that sort of thing. Barbara
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Lamb has read the book. I've gotten two thumbs up
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from Barbara Lamb. I've gone over the manuscript with von
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Smith in great portions, not the entire thing. I have
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gotten her support her approval of my conclusions. So, looking
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at other things, like doctor Jacobs who wrote Walking among Us,
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that sort of thing, it would appear as if there
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is a very advanced hybridization program and the purpose of
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which appears to me to be creating entities that have
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advanced capabilities. Maybe they're a little longer, eat less food,
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maybe they're more have more empathy for preserving earth whatever,
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and establishing these people in our population and having them
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breed with us and pass on those genetics and create
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a whole, you know, upgraded humanity through this program, rather
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than you know, trying to grab everybody on the planet
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and alter their genetics. It appears to me to be
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supplanting the human nature, the human population as we know
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it today.
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Do you think that we may be involved in some
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kind of nefarious agenda to alter humanity?
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I don't think it's a we. I think the visitors
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are doing that. And that comes through the evidence of
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the people who are part of the program. And Victoria
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is maybe one of hundreds of thousands who have done that.
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You know, you've got to read the other works of
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of you know, people who've who've come long before me,
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you know, the Bud Hopkinson's of the world and the
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Doctor Jacobs of the world, and Barbara Lamb and Yvonne
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Smith and those types you know mentioned doctor Sprinkle. All
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of those people have put out books and saying, hey,
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this hybridization program is real. Nothing's being done, it doesn't
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appear to be, as it's disturbing anybody in authority, and
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you know why not. And and again, mine was just
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a really narrow slice where I wanted to look at
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one individual, and I wanted to examine that and and
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see what I could discover. And and the first story
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is true, and I believe it is based upon the evidence,
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then she's just one of many.
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That's really interesting. Now to close out, I want to
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get your insights into what some people call men in
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black and if you've had any encounters or heard any
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00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:01.800
profound stories about these entities and your thoughts on what
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they are. If they're just a you know, a faction
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of the government that's not known, or maybe part of
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a hybridization program, or might maybe not even human at all,
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what are your thoughts on the men in black and
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if you personally had any encounters.
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Yes, I've had encounters, and I think the men in
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Black are human. I think they are intelligence agents that
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when it was necessary, you know, before this June twenty
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fifth proclamation, and when it was necessary to fully cover
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up the best evidence, you know, photographs, whatever it might be,
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intimidate witnesses into silence, there was a group of individuals
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who were tasked with stealing the evidence, obfuscating it if
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it got released, you know, discredited somehow, or discredit the individuals.
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So I believe they were they were a real functioning group.
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And one day, I had an encounter with a person
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who you know, it just struck me the way they
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were dressed and the fact that they were literally standing
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outside of an intelligence agency building. Now had I seen
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this person at Walmarts, I would have thought, oh, early
749
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Halloween costume. But the fact that they were literally standing
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outside the Foreign Technology Division building, I mean, that would
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have been That would be the first place that I
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would expect somebody who works for the Men in Black
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00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.519
to be stationed because they're the guys getting all the
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input on where all the evidence is. They'd be like, okay,
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we call a major Quintinia project blue book and yeah, okay,
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00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:38.840
here it is. And next thing they go, he taps
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on the wall and goes, hey, you know subsitut of
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the door. Hey, mister min in Black. You know this
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is a kexpert thing. You need to get out there.
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So it's perfect. It's literally a perfect place for them
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to be to be housed. Would be in the building
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like that because it also housed the unit that was
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getting all the first calls for all the where all
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the evidence was. It absolutely perfect. Had a discussion with them,
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and that discussion and some of my thoughts on the
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Men in black are in my first book, which was
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originally called fifty Shades of Grays but has now been
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00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:14.480
revised the title Alien Shades of Grays. And that's all.
769
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All the books are on Amazon. But yeah, I've had
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encounters with men in black, and somebody actually sent me
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a photograph of another man in black entering the Foreign
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Technology Division building, which I thought was pretty cool. So
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and I've already displayed that. So if you guys are
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00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:36.960
thinking of coming to my house and grabbing it off
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00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:40.000
my it's already out there. It's in the wind, it's
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00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:41.360
all over the internet.
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00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:44.880
Yeah, I just haven't heard any recent accounts of men
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in black lately. I'm wondering if they're still, you know,
779
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around and doing their thing.
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00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:53.960
Well, I suppose if they still have a purpose, they
781
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:57.599
might be doing it, and it's probably obfuscating the truth
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00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:01.039
or spying on people like me who've written books, you
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00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:04.119
know that contained secrets that were held for fifty five
784
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years by an American hero. Yeah, they might be doing that.
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00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:15.519
And in fact, when I when I was prepping the
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00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:20.360
Zoom thing, my software caught a somebody tried to sneak
787
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in a Zoom trojan. Yeah, and my software caught it.
788
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:33.000
Oh excellent, Yeah, so yeah, so, but it is what
789
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it is. You know, I don't believe i've I've revealed
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any secrets, especially now. Colonel Carroll was worried early on
791
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about telling me the secret, but he did. And you know,
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we delayed the release of it for over a year
793
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and it was released just before that twenty five June.
794
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You know, we released it in April. But he thought, Hey,
795
00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:58.920
nobody ever told him to keep quiet. He has never
796
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:02.960
sworn a secrecy on. He was never approached by men
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in black or his superiors or anybody to say, don't
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00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:07.960
talk about it. He just did because you know, he
799
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knew it was a sensitive subject. And he told no
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one until he told me. And I know that to
801
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be a fact because I was with his son at
802
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a talk I gave here in Ohio and his son attended,
803
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and afterwards, his son got up to say a few
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words to the audience, and his son told the audience
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I had asked my father multiple times if he ever
806
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:32.119
saw a UFO, and he always told me no. And
807
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:34.079
the first time I heard about it is when I
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read Ray's book.
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00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:36.119
Wow.
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So he didn't even tell his family about this.
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That is so interesting.
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Ray, thank you so much for coming on Before you
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head out, I'd love for you to tell the audience
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00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:50.880
if they're interested in finding your books more about you,
815
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:52.320
wh's the best way that they can do.
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00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:57.320
So you can go to Amazon and look for Alien
817
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:02.079
Shades of grays To trilogy, and if that doesn't get
818
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:04.960
you to it, add a word type UFO in and
819
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.280
that'll get to it. My last name is too hard
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00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:10.320
to spell. If you have anything that you want to
821
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send me, you know, any interesting stories, I'll contact you.
822
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I may or may not follow up because my curiosity
823
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:23.239
is satisfied. But my email is it s a UFO
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at yahoo dot com and that spells it's a ufo
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at yahoo dot com. And you can send me something,
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you know. I know, I've I've heard all the wild stuff,
827
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but you know, you might get an email back for
828
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me if it's super interesting. But my plan from here
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on out is my curiosity satisfied. I don't care about
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any more research. I'm going to do a few shows,
831
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I'm going to do a conference, maybe some local library talks,
832
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:53.239
but I'm pretty much done with this. I'm good, you know,
833
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I want to move on to something else. Metal detectorists.
834
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I'll go search for gold coins on the on the
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gold coast of Florida.
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Oh man, that sounds nice.
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Yeah, but I'm pretty much done with the UFO thing.
838
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Oh well, hey man, you know, I'm glad that you
839
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feel that's mission accomplished there. You've definitely accomplished a lot
840
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in that in that arena. And I thank you for
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your work, and I thank you so much for coming
842
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on tonight. Fantastic information. And we'll have to do this
843
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again sometime in the future.
844
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:29.119
Uh yeah, I'll tell you how many gold coins I found.
845
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Yes, and maybe maybe you might get abducted in the
846
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process and you can tell us about some person and experiences,
847
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you know.
848
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Oh no, no, thank you. I'd rather write about it
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all right.
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Well, Raven, thank you so much for coming today. I
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want to welcome back to the show. Michelle Freed. She's
852
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a graduate of the Alternative Practitioner Academy and received certification
853
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from the National Guild of Hypnotism. She completed the beginning,
854
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Intermediate and Advanced training programs through the International School of Clairvoyance,
855
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where she learned to integrate her intuitive gifts with her
856
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hypnosis skills. She is a talented remote viewer and remote
857
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:14.480
viewing instructor. She has published research related to remote viewing
858
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and parapsychology in several magazines. She also works on special
859
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:25.079
remote viewing projects with the Institute of Noetic Sciences. She
860
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:28.480
is also in the documentary Third I Spies and appears
861
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:32.519
on an episode of Ancient Aliens. She is the former
862
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producer for The Art Bell Show and currently co owner
863
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:40.480
of Thenew Midnight Dot FM network and producer for the
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Midnight Society radio show Michelle Welcome back. How you doing.
865
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:49.159
I'm doing great right back.
866
00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:52.960
I'm good. I'm doing I can't complain about anything, and
867
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:55.000
yet it's great to have you back. Today we're going
868
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:58.519
to dive even deeper into the realm of remote viewing
869
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:03.840
and once again you offering classes starting except Saturday, September third,
870
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:08.199
held online by the International Remote Viewing Association. I think
871
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:11.360
it's amazing that you're offering this to people, and we
872
00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:14.280
live in incredible times where more and more folks are
873
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:17.280
actually kind of getting down with things like remote viewing,
874
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:22.440
actual travel, meditation, and many other re emerging spiritual practices.
875
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:25.880
So it's fun times that we're living in. And it's
876
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:28.920
been a while since you've been on here. Let's remind
877
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:32.039
the audience a little bit about yourself and how you
878
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:33.519
got started remote viewing.
879
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:40.280
Well, I started to make a long story short. I
880
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:45.239
was taking a psychic development class and the teacher had
881
00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:49.000
just learned this new thing called remote viewing. I mean,
882
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:51.079
it wasn't new in the world, but for her it
883
00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:54.599
was new, and so she just taught us like a
884
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little bit and had us do like an experiment, and
885
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I just took to it. I loved it. I liked
886
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that it's based with with science, and and I like
887
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the fact that you use pen and paper and you
888
00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:15.679
record your data, and it made sense to me. So
889
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I really really liked it. So that's how I got
890
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into it. And then from there I just started taking
891
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a whole bunch of classes and learning everything about it,
892
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to the point where I would call myself obsessed because
893
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I've learned so much that I can apply to my
894
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personal life, to you know, just to be a better person,
895
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learning how to trust your intuition, and just kind of
896
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:49.360
opening up this door to you know, what our greater
897
00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:52.719
good could be. And and I want to share that
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with everybody.
899
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:58.360
That's awesome. And even before you started looking into remote
900
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:01.400
viewing you had, I guess you could say enhanced abilities
901
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and some experiences.
902
00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:08.559
Right, well, I never really knew I had them until
903
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in retrospect. You know, I was telling somebody the other
904
00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:17.039
day and it just occurred to me, like recently that
905
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:22.599
this could be intuition. But I was really really bad
906
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:29.159
at math in school, and you know, I just I
907
00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:34.559
you know, struggled with algebra for sure, and I would
908
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:38.159
take a test but for some reason, I would have
909
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all the answers correct, and then the teacher would come
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to me and say, well, Michelle, how did you get
911
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:49.079
this answer? And she's like, you have to show your work,
912
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and I'm like, I have no idea how I got
913
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the answer. I have no clue. And I didn't even
914
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know it was right, you know, she's telling me it
915
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was right, and and I feel like that that could
916
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:03.280
be a form of intuition. I never really analyzed it,
917
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:06.360
but I just, you know, kind of it dawned on
918
01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:09.800
me actually, like within the month, like how did I
919
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:15.400
do that? And it's kind of like a form of channeling.
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I would think, you know, like it's like a download
921
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from some source that just gave me the answer something.
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So sometimes you can't explain these things. They just happen
923
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right on.
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01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:34.599
Now, you have had some very profound experiences after you
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01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:39.559
started practicing remote viewing, and you also did some things
926
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:43.199
with the Institute of Nodic Sciences. What did you do
927
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for them?
928
01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:49.599
So we did. It was all basically remote viewing, and
929
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we worked with doctor Julia Mosbridge, who is really interesting
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01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:57.519
and you should probably have on your show also, she'll
931
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:02.360
knock your socks off. And she together a project and
932
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we we were completely blind, like we had no idea
933
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who we were working with, who is funding it, but
934
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we were because she works at the Institute Noedic Sciences.
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It was kind of going through her. So there were
936
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kind of fun, fun people that were outside but kind
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of connected through that organization. And so I think they
938
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planned like five it was right before the pandemic. I
939
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guess you could call them retreats where we would go
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to some quiet place for the weekend and we would
941
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do about six sessions. And so we didn't know what
942
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the topic was that we were doing sessions about. We
943
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didn't know who hired us, and nobody. Nobody told us anything.
944
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So so we were working on it and then when
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the pandemic hit we only got two retreats done and
946
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they decided, you know, to kind of stop the project.
947
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And they told us what we were doing, which was
948
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through a big organization of scientists that I think have
949
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a connection with NASA something to do with that. They
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were checking climate control or climate change, and that's what
951
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our sessions were about. And it was really interesting because
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I was getting a lot of kind of ocean water
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micro organisms and so I haven't they have to write up,
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so I don't have feedback yet. They have to write
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it up and then publish it and then we'll know
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like what we did and what we contributed to and
957
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:54.400
things like that. But I was so excited to be
958
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:56.800
on a project like that because I always like to
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01:02:56.800 --> 01:03:01.599
do things that have a purpose, whether it's helping the
960
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:06.480
world in some way or even just enlightening myself because
961
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:10.800
in remote viewing you could also ask questions about yourself,
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01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:14.360
you know, things that you want to know. You know,
963
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:17.119
a lot of people will use it if they want to.
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01:03:18.440 --> 01:03:20.840
If they have a job opportunity, Should I take this
965
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:25.199
job or not? You know, things like that, or ways
966
01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:29.440
to you know, maybe you know you're working on outer
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01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:35.000
roady experiences and you want to know some some things
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01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:37.400
you could do to make that experience better for you.
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01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:40.519
If you're on a diet and you want to know
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01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:43.400
what foods you should stay away from, you can remote
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01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:47.280
view all these things. And I like the fact that
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01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:55.280
you're completely blind, So it's pretty it's pretty reliable information.
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01:03:56.760 --> 01:03:59.679
Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty incredible. I've had a couple
974
01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:03.480
of game that describe some of their remote viewing sessions
975
01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:05.719
and how far they've gone. I want to get your
976
01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:09.360
insights into this. How far do you think we're capable
977
01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:11.960
of going with remote viewing? And I've had guests say
978
01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:14.920
that they've, you know, remote viewed other planets, they've remote
979
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:18.079
viewed inside people's body like you were just talking about,
980
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:21.280
to find you know, cancers and things. How far is
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01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:22.360
can we take this?
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01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:28.800
I mean we've even I've I've we've gone into past
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01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:33.599
lives when I tasked my students as an exercise to
984
01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:38.000
go into a past life and bring back a skill
985
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:41.519
that will help you be a better remote viewer. And
986
01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:46.880
we've had really cool, really cool sessions on that. So,
987
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:50.000
I mean, the sky's limit. Any question you ever have,
988
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:55.000
you can remote view it. And it's you know, healing,
989
01:04:55.159 --> 01:05:00.480
there's also the idea of locating the or origin of
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01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:05.960
a physical discomfort. So for example, if somebody's having chronic
991
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:11.079
like stomach issues, you know, we can kind of task
992
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:15.119
people to find the origin. And it's interesting because when
993
01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:17.559
we say it like that, we say, what is the
994
01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:22.440
origin of you know, your stomach issues, You'll find that
995
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:27.119
it's based in some kind of emotional trauma and then
996
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:31.000
or some stress or some something you would never expect,
997
01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:36.199
you know. It's it's uh, yeah, it's really interesting how
998
01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:37.320
that works out.
999
01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:42.039
Now. Have you been able to see anything off planet
1000
01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:45.000
or maybe not in our reality?
1001
01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:51.960
I had an assignment. One was the Baltic Sea anomaly.
1002
01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:55.559
So again I had no idea, it was just given
1003
01:05:55.559 --> 01:06:01.800
a target number and uh, this was actually not this
1004
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:08.039
was a practice session. So and I was first of
1005
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:13.639
all getting some kind of man made some kind of
1006
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:18.039
man made structure I described it, and it kind of
1007
01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:22.519
in my sketches looked very similar to that shape of
1008
01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:27.880
what you see from the satellite. And then I was
1009
01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:33.559
getting into what you could call going deeper into it,
1010
01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:40.159
where we were getting information that I could judge as
1011
01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:46.039
something very similar to the people of Atlantis and something
1012
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:50.239
to do with crystals and a whole big thing. And
1013
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:54.119
the problem with that, which is cool and could be true,
1014
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:57.440
is a lot of these kind of targets that we
1015
01:06:57.559 --> 01:07:00.360
look at off planet and stuff like that, is that
1016
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:05.320
we don't have concrete feedback. We don't know for sure
1017
01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:08.880
if what we're getting is actual or something that we
1018
01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:13.559
call an AOL, And an AOL is really important to
1019
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:19.519
know because when people ask us, you know, how reliable
1020
01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:23.440
is remote viewing? How reliable is psychic? Like why can't
1021
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:26.440
you win the lottery and blah blah blah blah blah. Well,
1022
01:07:27.199 --> 01:07:32.519
how I answer that question to people is that Joe
1023
01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:36.639
mcmonagall one of the top first remote viewers from the military,
1024
01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:39.360
and he always said, Michelle, if you want to be
1025
01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:44.000
a world class remote viewer, you have to give up
1026
01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:47.320
what it is to be human. And I'm like looking
1027
01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:53.280
at it, like what and sorry? And what he meant
1028
01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:59.360
by that was that as being human in our everyday lives,
1029
01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:04.239
just going through our lives, we're designed. We're wired to
1030
01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:08.639
look at patterns, we're wired to have everything makes sense.
1031
01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:11.719
So I use this example over and over. I should
1032
01:08:11.719 --> 01:08:14.119
find a new example, but I'll use this one again.
1033
01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:17.920
But we'll say, like a like if we say something
1034
01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:24.279
we're perceiving is red, shiny and round. Our thinking mind,
1035
01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:27.359
the left brain, it's going to go red shiny round.
1036
01:08:28.039 --> 01:08:31.520
That sounds like an apple. You know, that's an apple.
1037
01:08:32.079 --> 01:08:34.439
And if you keep going, if you're doing your session
1038
01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:39.720
and you're telling yourself that's an apple, then the rest
1039
01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:42.600
of your session can kind of go get derailed. If
1040
01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:46.720
it's not an apple. You can start describing a fruit basket,
1041
01:08:47.399 --> 01:08:51.039
and so that gets into trouble if you're looking for
1042
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:54.920
a missing person, unless the fruit basket is near the
1043
01:08:55.000 --> 01:09:00.920
missing person, which probably not so. So this is something
1044
01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:04.800
that we have to overcome, and it's because we're human.
1045
01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:09.800
We can't always get concrete information. So when I did
1046
01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:13.960
this session on the Baltic Sea and I started going
1047
01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:17.439
into what I could perceive as the world of Atlantis,
1048
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:20.560
I don't know if I was making up a story
1049
01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:26.760
about something or if it was real. So I'm always
1050
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:30.359
not sure what I'm doing. But I will tell you
1051
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:34.560
that in sessions that I give my students, and this
1052
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:38.000
will kind of be the counter of what I'm just saying,
1053
01:09:38.119 --> 01:09:43.520
is I usually if anyone joins my class, by the way,
1054
01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:47.319
you will get this as a target. But I won't
1055
01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:50.479
tell you when you're going to get it, but I
1056
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:54.760
always give them the pyramids because what's really cool is
1057
01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:59.199
that every single person gets in their session something about
1058
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:03.680
water and something about power. And when it gets to
1059
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:08.920
a point where almost everybody is getting this this description,
1060
01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:12.319
it makes you like, Okay, there has to be something
1061
01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:14.520
real and we're not really making up a story at
1062
01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:17.479
this point. You know, there has to be every single
1063
01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:21.560
person that's remote viewing and is getting the pyramids their hat.
1064
01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:24.199
And so when you look back now you're kind of
1065
01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:27.279
getting you know a lot of theories that there was
1066
01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:33.439
water and that the pyramid's purpose was of power using water.
1067
01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:38.600
There's no evidence to prove it, but there's very strong
1068
01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:42.800
theories about it. So when that so that's why I
1069
01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:46.560
like keep at it, because you know, like the BALTICSI anomaly,
1070
01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:50.600
you know, people do get a lot of similar things.
1071
01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:54.199
They do say crystals, they do call in a man
1072
01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:59.119
made So, uh, that's what I look for when when
1073
01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:03.840
we're doing those kind of esoteric targets. But in uh,
1074
01:11:04.039 --> 01:11:07.439
if we're doing something that's like a photo of something,
1075
01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:11.840
then we can prove that it works, and that's pretty cool.
1076
01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:16.239
Could you give maybe some examples of that, say with
1077
01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:18.520
the photo a scenario.
1078
01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:24.319
Well, a lot of times, like in practice, we'll use
1079
01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:30.760
a photo because I feel like when you can, you know,
1080
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:36.279
say it's kind of some kind of you know, a
1081
01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:40.359
photo of the Pyramids for example, when people start getting
1082
01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:45.560
kind of triangular structures in their session or things like that,
1083
01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:49.319
then when I show them the photo, they can look
1084
01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:51.479
at their session and then look at the photo and
1085
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:56.319
be like, holy smokes, you know, like I got something here,
1086
01:11:56.600 --> 01:12:00.119
you know. And so that's a really good learning thing.
1087
01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:03.520
And it also one of the most important things about
1088
01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:08.960
remote viewing to me is like learning how your specific
1089
01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:14.359
mind works, you know, because a lot of people use
1090
01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:18.680
automatic writing in their sessions where they're not really conscious
1091
01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:24.800
of what they're drawing. Or sometimes we take their session
1092
01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:27.319
and we have a sketch and we turn it in
1093
01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:31.880
different angles and if you turn it, it looks exactly
1094
01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:36.000
like the photo or whatever the object is that they're
1095
01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:40.640
remote viewing. So those are cool things that happen, you know.
1096
01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:45.880
I had a student where the picture was it was
1097
01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:48.880
a train and it was on a track like a
1098
01:12:48.920 --> 01:12:52.920
bridge that was between two cliffs, and it was very
1099
01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:59.319
high up, and this person actually drew a vertical structure
1100
01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:05.640
wrecked angular and then drew like windows in it going downward.
1101
01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:12.239
And he called it a rising, a rising building, some
1102
01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:16.359
kind of building. If you turn the picture of the
1103
01:13:16.439 --> 01:13:22.680
train the same direction, or you turn his session side horizontal,
1104
01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:26.880
it looks like the train. But he was, you know,
1105
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:32.880
his subconscious was giving him the information for the session.
1106
01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:36.520
His conscious wasn't aware of it. And those are the
1107
01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:39.319
kinds of things that happen all the time, and you
1108
01:13:39.439 --> 01:13:43.079
start learning, oh, this is how my mind were so okay,
1109
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:46.199
you know, so those are real things.
1110
01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:50.359
Yeah. Now, when it comes to things like astral travel,
1111
01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:54.159
out of body experiences and things that are not the
1112
01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:57.239
same as remote viewing but kind of in the same
1113
01:13:57.439 --> 01:14:01.199
strange category, have you experienced any of these other things,
1114
01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:04.520
and what do you think the relation is, if any?
1115
01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:12.880
So, yes, I have, and I think when I talk
1116
01:14:13.560 --> 01:14:19.239
I talk about remote viewing, I'm referring to the protocol
1117
01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:24.840
that the military started and where we use pen and
1118
01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:30.279
paper and we follow a steps to achieve something. And
1119
01:14:30.319 --> 01:14:33.960
it's kind of based in a scientific way. You know,
1120
01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:38.359
we have the tasking people are blind. There's kind of
1121
01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:41.479
a thing like that. There's also people use the word
1122
01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:45.880
remote viewing when they tune into a location and they
1123
01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:50.920
can describe it. So it's the same word. Like we
1124
01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:54.279
should actually change the what we mean, you know, change
1125
01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:58.960
the title remote viewing. But I don't know of another
1126
01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:02.199
word that would be better. But I think that you
1127
01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:07.680
are using your psychic abilities when you're remote viewing in
1128
01:15:07.760 --> 01:15:13.199
this way, and I teach, So before I answer your question,
1129
01:15:13.239 --> 01:15:16.399
I want to also add that there are several forms
1130
01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:22.920
of remote viewing that mirror what was originally created in
1131
01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:28.560
Stanford Research Institute that the government used. There's several guys
1132
01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:32.279
that when they retired from the military came out and
1133
01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:37.239
started teaching different methods. There's like I think five or
1134
01:15:37.279 --> 01:15:43.319
six of them. The one I teach is called TDS
1135
01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:48.119
Transdimensional Systems, and this was created by a civilian group
1136
01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:57.399
and it's kind of based in based in learning a
1137
01:15:57.439 --> 01:16:01.199
lot about yourself and how we work. It kind of
1138
01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:08.800
is more like zen kind of way, and it's dealing
1139
01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:12.680
with your mind and body together, okay. And the other
1140
01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:16.079
ones are more about the protocol, the structure of the
1141
01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:21.920
session gathering intel very military like. But I feel like
1142
01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:26.199
the TDS method is kind of the next step for humans.
1143
01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:28.880
You know, It's like the first one was okay, you know,
1144
01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:32.800
kind of like the military invented the Internet and now
1145
01:16:32.840 --> 01:16:35.319
we use it for So it's kind of like the
1146
01:16:35.359 --> 01:16:39.079
military kind of put this frame around something called remote viewing,
1147
01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:44.039
and then we are kind of evolving it into something
1148
01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:47.920
that is you know, civilians can use me and you
1149
01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:52.399
everyone can can use to better their lives and things
1150
01:16:52.479 --> 01:16:58.119
like that. So when I teach this class with IRVA,
1151
01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:01.520
this is kind of the first time that they're having
1152
01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:06.680
another kind of method. And again I'll just put a
1153
01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:09.479
little plug in here that they reduce the price to
1154
01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:13.039
one hundred and fifty dollars for non members. These classes
1155
01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:15.119
usually cost them a thousand.
1156
01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:15.960
So if you.
1157
01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:19.199
Ever ever wanted to learn remote viewing, this is a
1158
01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:25.159
great time. But getting back to your question on OBEs
1159
01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:30.279
outer body experiences, I feel so my what happened to
1160
01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:35.840
me is I spent a whole year working on achieving it,
1161
01:17:35.960 --> 01:17:39.399
and I did it three times. The first time was
1162
01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:49.319
actually the Pyramids and something really interesting happened I was I. So,
1163
01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:52.439
I don't know if have you ever had an OBE.
1164
01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:56.359
Not your typical be I've had meditation where I've actually
1165
01:17:57.199 --> 01:18:00.319
kind of made contact with what I've understand as my
1166
01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:04.800
spirit guides and kind of taken in my subconscious to
1167
01:18:05.319 --> 01:18:08.159
what I perceived as a ship, although I was still
1168
01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:11.199
there and I was still kind of in both realms
1169
01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:13.119
at the same time. I don't know if that is
1170
01:18:13.159 --> 01:18:15.239
a real out of body experience or what, but that
1171
01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:16.279
was my experience.
1172
01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:20.640
That's really cool. So when we were I had a
1173
01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:24.159
partner and we were practicing together, and so we set
1174
01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:30.479
an intention before we traveled, and our intention was to
1175
01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:35.279
go to the Pyramids, and so I, you know, did
1176
01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:40.479
what I do, and I found myself in at the
1177
01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:45.359
Pyramids and I was looking at the hieroglyphics. I was,
1178
01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:49.960
you know, kind of scanning, and everything was moving so fast,
1179
01:18:50.079 --> 01:18:54.159
it was like zoo zoos, but my mind was moving slower.
1180
01:18:54.199 --> 01:18:56.399
But I felt like I was like, you know, like
1181
01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:59.920
a hummingbird, you know, just moving so fast. And one
1182
01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:04.800
point I thought to myself, I wonder what's under the pyramids.
1183
01:19:05.479 --> 01:19:09.560
And so it was kind of funny because my I'm like, oh,
1184
01:19:09.560 --> 01:19:12.039
where's the door to get there? And then I'm like, wait,
1185
01:19:12.079 --> 01:19:14.319
I could just go through the ground. So I was
1186
01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:16.960
kind of having a talk with myself at the same time.
1187
01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:21.880
So I plunged into the ground and I went very
1188
01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:26.000
far down, probably more than twelve feet, very deep down,
1189
01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:31.560
and I noticed that there was a tunnel system under there,
1190
01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:37.079
and it looked like piping going through. But what was
1191
01:19:37.119 --> 01:19:40.199
really weird is it was gold. It was a gold color.
1192
01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:44.479
And I said to myself, what is this? And it
1193
01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:47.479
was almost like having you know, in uh inner, what
1194
01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:50.560
is it called? Yeah, the movie interception where you have
1195
01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:54.880
a dream within a dream. So yeah, so I had
1196
01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:58.880
like an obe within an obe. And when I asked
1197
01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:04.039
that question, I started getting like as I was observing
1198
01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:11.479
these pyramid people, you know, the the yeah, the Egyptians,
1199
01:20:12.039 --> 01:20:19.520
they were melting gold pieces into like these little square shaped,
1200
01:20:20.039 --> 01:20:25.039
very thin pieces. It looked like foil, but it was gold.
1201
01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:27.960
And I saw like the detail, the wrinkles in it,
1202
01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:32.439
and they melted them into this pipe shape and they
1203
01:20:32.479 --> 01:20:37.199
were installing them under the ground. And then I woke
1204
01:20:37.319 --> 01:20:42.840
up and that was it. So lucky for me, you know,
1205
01:20:43.079 --> 01:20:46.640
I worked with Art Bell and ended up getting a
1206
01:20:46.640 --> 01:20:51.359
lot of connections to cool people. And I found some
1207
01:20:51.399 --> 01:20:54.880
of the researchers of the pyramids that wrote these books,
1208
01:20:54.920 --> 01:20:57.840
you know, an ancient alien and all that, and I
1209
01:20:57.920 --> 01:21:01.039
asked a few of them, like do you know what's
1210
01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:04.760
under the pyramids? Like, is there anything? And I told
1211
01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:10.359
them about my obe about it, and they were all like, well,
1212
01:21:10.439 --> 01:21:14.000
there is theories that they did have a water system
1213
01:21:14.199 --> 01:21:17.319
under there, which feeds into this idea of the power.
1214
01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:21.199
And I was just like, whoa, okay, how would I
1215
01:21:21.279 --> 01:21:28.640
even know that? So that was pretty pretty cool. And
1216
01:21:28.680 --> 01:21:32.760
then the other one that was pretty cool is that
1217
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:36.079
we set the intention to go to Mars, and we
1218
01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:40.359
like to we use the tactics of remote viewing where
1219
01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:45.199
our tasking or our intention is very specific. So we said,
1220
01:21:46.279 --> 01:21:52.000
let's go have a picnic on Mars near in Sidonia, Okay,
1221
01:21:52.039 --> 01:21:57.199
So we like had it all. So of course there's me.
1222
01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:01.039
I get stood up again and he didn't show up.
1223
01:22:01.479 --> 01:22:04.399
I'm by myself, and I'm like, you know, putting the
1224
01:22:04.439 --> 01:22:07.399
blanket out and you know, kind of going through. I
1225
01:22:07.439 --> 01:22:10.520
sit down on the blanket and I put my feet
1226
01:22:10.520 --> 01:22:14.760
in the sand and I'm like, whoa, that feels that
1227
01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:17.720
doesn't feel like sand. And then I put my hand
1228
01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:21.439
in it and I pulled my hand out and it
1229
01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:25.079
looked like a Hannah a Hannah print on my hand,
1230
01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:29.239
and I was like, whoa, this this doesn't feel like sand.
1231
01:22:29.279 --> 01:22:34.159
It feels like powder. So I woke up and I
1232
01:22:34.199 --> 01:22:36.239
asked him, I'm like, do you know anything about the
1233
01:22:36.359 --> 01:22:41.199
sand on Mars. He's like, no, look it up. I'm like, okay,
1234
01:22:41.600 --> 01:22:43.399
So I go and look it up and there's an
1235
01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:49.680
article that explain or describes the sand on Mars like talc.
1236
01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:54.720
They use the word talc like talcum powder. I was like, whoa,
1237
01:22:54.840 --> 01:22:57.880
how would I ever like, how would I ever know that?
1238
01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:01.439
So I had to have been there is what my thought.
1239
01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:06.279
Is, Yeah, that's incredible. I had a guest that told
1240
01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:10.039
me that he knows some people who are really deep
1241
01:23:10.119 --> 01:23:12.920
into out of body experiences in national travel, and they
1242
01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:18.079
tried to kind of infiltrate the White House through astral
1243
01:23:18.119 --> 01:23:21.479
travel and there were two guards like in the astral
1244
01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:23.960
realm that said, nope, you can't get through here. Have
1245
01:23:24.079 --> 01:23:27.079
you ever heard of anything like this? Like entities are
1246
01:23:27.560 --> 01:23:30.119
people that know how to project into these kind of
1247
01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:33.000
spaces and keep you from knowing things.
1248
01:23:33.840 --> 01:23:37.960
Absolutely. Somebody asked me about protection. If you don't want
1249
01:23:37.960 --> 01:23:42.279
somebody to remote view you, it is like putting security out.
1250
01:23:42.520 --> 01:23:47.000
I know my friend who we were targeted again, we
1251
01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:51.640
had no idea, but in his session afterwards he told
1252
01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:54.119
me he was. I had the weirdest thing happen where
1253
01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:58.720
I got to this point and I was stopped. I mean,
1254
01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:03.159
I really felt like pushback, and I'm like, wow, what
1255
01:24:03.159 --> 01:24:05.199
what is that? He goes, I don't know, I never
1256
01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:09.880
had that before, but I had a sensation like, don't
1257
01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:13.399
you can't go further? This is it. The book stops here.
1258
01:24:13.920 --> 01:24:16.479
And then we found out that we were viewing the
1259
01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:19.920
alien base on the moon that was our target. And
1260
01:24:19.960 --> 01:24:25.119
then we're like, oh, okay, there's something we're not supposed
1261
01:24:25.159 --> 01:24:25.720
to see here.
1262
01:24:25.880 --> 01:24:26.279
Wow.
1263
01:24:26.479 --> 01:24:32.079
So yeah, I think that everything's about intention. So if
1264
01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:36.800
you you know, if there's somebody that you know doesn't want,
1265
01:24:37.199 --> 01:24:39.479
you know, if you don't want somebody to remote view you,
1266
01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:42.079
and then you intend, you know, you put up an
1267
01:24:42.119 --> 01:24:46.319
intention that you're blocking, and then that's it. No, people
1268
01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:53.600
can't get through that. Yeah, so it's pretty strong.
1269
01:24:54.000 --> 01:25:01.319
Yeah, now you you've had experiences with something about remote
1270
01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:02.199
viewing lime disease.
1271
01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:09.960
So Chris Newby, she wrote a book it's called Bitten,
1272
01:25:11.079 --> 01:25:13.720
and I think there's gonna be a documentary coming out
1273
01:25:14.319 --> 01:25:20.079
where she talks about that we were creating a bio
1274
01:25:20.159 --> 01:25:26.039
weapon using tics and so her research is pointing to
1275
01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:32.920
the fact that there's possibility that that there was a
1276
01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:37.439
leak or some mistake or something got out of hand
1277
01:25:37.960 --> 01:25:43.239
and then became lime disease. And now she's researching because
1278
01:25:43.239 --> 01:25:45.560
she feels like, I don't know if we can talk
1279
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:51.159
about but the most recent thing going on, uh, that
1280
01:25:51.279 --> 01:25:58.079
happened recently in the last couple of years, also has
1281
01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:03.000
the similar sign of something that just got loose, and
1282
01:26:04.439 --> 01:26:08.399
so she's researching that too. But she asked, which was
1283
01:26:08.479 --> 01:26:11.279
really cool, and this is why I want to put
1284
01:26:11.279 --> 01:26:14.399
a team of remote viewers together, people that are committed
1285
01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:18.119
to remote viewing, so that we can do these projects.
1286
01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:25.640
And so she asked me to remote view some areas
1287
01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:29.720
of her research that she didn't she didn't know about,
1288
01:26:30.439 --> 01:26:36.199
and so I kind of knew that I was doing something.
1289
01:26:37.119 --> 01:26:40.039
So I wasn't completely blind to this because obviously she
1290
01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:42.960
I knew who she was and that she was studying
1291
01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:46.600
lyme disease, but I actually didn't know anything about it.
1292
01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:51.399
I didn't read her book, and I didn't really know
1293
01:26:51.479 --> 01:26:53.920
the details. And plus I didn't know what she was
1294
01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:56.760
going to ask me about. And it turned out she
1295
01:26:56.840 --> 01:27:02.920
was asking about one of the original researchers or scientists
1296
01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:07.279
that were working on it. But my session was sort
1297
01:27:07.279 --> 01:27:12.520
of leading in this direction on some kind of it
1298
01:27:12.560 --> 01:27:16.680
was like a land and water interface, like a kind
1299
01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:20.479
of an island or a place somewhere, and I kept
1300
01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:25.079
getting this military vibe in my session that led me
1301
01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:28.840
to feel the Nazis were involved or something. There was
1302
01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:34.680
some kind of experimentation going on, which was a very
1303
01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:39.079
similar feeling that I got when somebody asked me to
1304
01:27:39.159 --> 01:27:46.479
remote view Skinwalker Ranch, and they were very similar feelings, Like,
1305
01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:50.760
not necessarily the data is the same, but I just
1306
01:27:50.840 --> 01:27:54.520
got the same feeling in my body on both of
1307
01:27:54.600 --> 01:27:59.279
those targets that there was something going on and working on.
1308
01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:03.399
Some kind of nefarious, clandestine group experiment.
1309
01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:07.960
Yeah, experimenting was the thing. It was experimenting, and it
1310
01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:16.199
was it was, Yeah, definitely something weird. So yeah, it's
1311
01:28:16.359 --> 01:28:20.880
very crazy, but it's interesting and it kind of led
1312
01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:24.000
her And what was so great is it led her
1313
01:28:24.079 --> 01:28:28.520
down a different path to research, Like, Okay, this opens
1314
01:28:28.600 --> 01:28:31.119
up another door for me to go down. You know,
1315
01:28:31.279 --> 01:28:36.199
not necessarily all my information was correct or helpful, but
1316
01:28:36.439 --> 01:28:39.359
it did give her this kind of door to open
1317
01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:43.960
and go looking to see if she can verify anything
1318
01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:47.039
I said, and then and I did that about one
1319
01:28:47.159 --> 01:28:50.399
or two years ago, I think, and then just I
1320
01:28:50.399 --> 01:28:52.720
think last week she told me that she went back
1321
01:28:52.760 --> 01:28:56.159
to look at my session and she could verify some
1322
01:28:56.279 --> 01:28:59.600
of the things. So what happens is like you may
1323
01:28:59.600 --> 01:29:03.239
not see it now, it may take time. And that's
1324
01:29:03.279 --> 01:29:08.279
actually what happened to me when we had Homeland Security
1325
01:29:09.760 --> 01:29:15.000
ask us to remote view the Olympics in twenty twenty.
1326
01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:19.800
They wanted to know the top threats, and on my session,
1327
01:29:20.680 --> 01:29:25.479
I was getting a lot of you know, like something
1328
01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:30.039
that reminded me of there was a lot of debris everywhere.
1329
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:33.199
So it was either like a weather or maybe I
1330
01:29:33.239 --> 01:29:36.600
didn't feel like an explosion. It just felt like some
1331
01:29:37.399 --> 01:29:43.520
strong impact that happened because there was debris everywhere. Again,
1332
01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:46.760
that's a lot like you know the AOL I spoke
1333
01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:50.439
of earlier. When I saw a lot of debris everywhere,
1334
01:29:51.039 --> 01:29:53.680
my left brain's trying to make sense, Well, if there's
1335
01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:56.760
debris everywhere, it was either a bomb or some kind
1336
01:29:56.800 --> 01:29:59.399
of weather thing. And so you want to stay away
1337
01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:02.680
from kind of thinking that. You want to just kind
1338
01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:06.199
of follow where the session leads you. And so then
1339
01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:09.960
it started going into a different direction where I was
1340
01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:16.960
seeing an office and computers and some virus and the
1341
01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:21.439
computers and something like that. So I handed in the
1342
01:30:21.479 --> 01:30:25.399
session and we never heard anything again. So then the
1343
01:30:25.399 --> 01:30:31.760
pandemic hits and I think that was twenty twenty, right,
1344
01:30:31.960 --> 01:30:35.800
twenty twenty twenty one, so the end of twenty twenty
1345
01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:40.479
one into Yeah, the end of twenty twenty twenty. I
1346
01:30:40.560 --> 01:30:45.000
started thinking about my session and I realized that I
1347
01:30:45.119 --> 01:30:49.920
was calling it a computer virus, but what affected the
1348
01:30:49.960 --> 01:30:53.640
Olympics was a virus. It just wasn't a computer virus.
1349
01:30:53.960 --> 01:30:58.199
It was an organic virus. And that blew me away
1350
01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:03.520
because again, you know, your left brain it's trying to
1351
01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:07.560
make sense and says you know, you're closed, but not quite.
1352
01:31:07.640 --> 01:31:11.039
You know, it's like virus. So what's the first thing
1353
01:31:11.079 --> 01:31:14.279
I think of now, because we're into computers, is a
1354
01:31:14.279 --> 01:31:18.600
computer virus? Right? But you know who would have thought
1355
01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:19.560
that it was a virus?
1356
01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:20.920
Virus? Right?
1357
01:31:21.159 --> 01:31:25.600
Yeah, that's pretty incredible. You also did something to look
1358
01:31:25.640 --> 01:31:28.479
into information about the Knights Templar, Is that right?
1359
01:31:29.920 --> 01:31:33.479
So I was working with Gretchen Cornwall, who is a
1360
01:31:34.319 --> 01:31:37.680
she's a researcher on the nights of the Templar, and
1361
01:31:37.720 --> 01:31:42.399
she's also been on I think, yeah, several episodes of
1362
01:31:42.520 --> 01:31:46.600
Oak Island, the Mysteries of Oak Island, and there's a
1363
01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:50.079
ton of stuff going on there. And I was talking
1364
01:31:50.399 --> 01:31:53.920
to her about some things, and of course my obsession
1365
01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:57.960
with the remote view viewing always comes up, and I'm like, well,
1366
01:31:58.039 --> 01:32:01.439
if you ever need remote viewers, let me know, you know,
1367
01:32:01.960 --> 01:32:05.319
we'll help you with your research. And she's like, and
1368
01:32:05.359 --> 01:32:07.199
we're on a zoom like you and I are, and
1369
01:32:07.239 --> 01:32:10.399
she just pulls out of nowhere. It looked like magic,
1370
01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:15.119
and she puts like this some kind of wooden statue
1371
01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:21.119
of some guy or something, yeah, some guy. And I said, whoa,
1372
01:32:21.279 --> 01:32:23.479
don't tell me anything because I don't want to know
1373
01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:28.000
anything about it, and she's like okay. I said, all right,
1374
01:32:28.039 --> 01:32:30.960
well I'll get some remote viewers. So I put on
1375
01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:34.079
a call to my remote viewers and three people did
1376
01:32:34.119 --> 01:32:40.720
a session and their stuff was incredible, like one person
1377
01:32:40.800 --> 01:32:46.000
actually actually in her session said something about a large
1378
01:32:46.159 --> 01:32:49.319
tree trunk with carvings on it, and that's what this
1379
01:32:49.439 --> 01:32:52.359
statue kind of looked like it was. It looked like
1380
01:32:52.399 --> 01:32:56.119
it was carved from some kind of tree and then
1381
01:32:56.399 --> 01:32:58.760
maybe stained or something. Because there was a little bit
1382
01:32:58.800 --> 01:33:02.439
of a shine on it. Anyway, I asked Gretchen if
1383
01:33:02.479 --> 01:33:04.960
she would be willing to get on a Zoom meeting
1384
01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:09.720
so we can tell her about our sessions and she
1385
01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:13.800
can give us feedback, and she's like, yeah, great. So
1386
01:33:13.840 --> 01:33:18.520
it turns out that this statue was what she believes
1387
01:33:18.640 --> 01:33:26.039
to be Sir Henry Sinclair, and which he has a big,
1388
01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:29.560
huge history. But all the people in the sessions were
1389
01:33:29.640 --> 01:33:35.039
actually describing Henry Sinclair and she was verifying all these points,
1390
01:33:35.479 --> 01:33:37.720
and so what ends up happening is she was so
1391
01:33:38.119 --> 01:33:41.159
blown away, like you could see her brain like, whoa,
1392
01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:44.640
you know, how would you even know this? I never
1393
01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:47.680
even really heard I heard the name Henry Sinclair, but
1394
01:33:47.720 --> 01:33:52.119
I didn't know anything about it. And so she ended
1395
01:33:52.199 --> 01:33:55.680
up putting this in her documentary, which will be coming
1396
01:33:55.720 --> 01:33:59.640
out I don't know when very shortly. So this is like,
1397
01:34:00.199 --> 01:34:03.000
you know, it put her on the track. It verifies
1398
01:34:03.520 --> 01:34:06.399
things that you know she has a theory about. But
1399
01:34:06.439 --> 01:34:09.920
then when these strangers that don't know anything come up
1400
01:34:09.960 --> 01:34:14.920
with verifiable data, it makes you like, whoa, yeah, okay,
1401
01:34:14.960 --> 01:34:18.680
this is this is something. So that was really cool.
1402
01:34:18.880 --> 01:34:20.000
That was a cool session.
1403
01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:24.600
Yeah, definitely Now, have you worked with younger children, and
1404
01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:27.199
if so, do you find that they're easier to kind
1405
01:34:27.199 --> 01:34:28.600
of teach how to do this stuff.
1406
01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:34.760
No, I've not worked with children with it. I mean,
1407
01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:38.560
I've taught my kids, but they weren't little like I
1408
01:34:38.600 --> 01:34:42.319
think they were probably about I think my youngest at
1409
01:34:42.359 --> 01:34:47.119
the time was probably twelve and then and then I
1410
01:34:47.159 --> 01:34:50.039
had a fourteen and fifteen year old, so they were
1411
01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:53.520
probably I mean, not little children. But I did teach them,
1412
01:34:54.279 --> 01:34:59.920
and I feel like all it really did teaching them
1413
01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:04.920
is you know, just getting closer to trusting their instincts
1414
01:35:04.960 --> 01:35:09.760
about things and also learning that what you see isn't
1415
01:35:09.800 --> 01:35:16.079
always the reality. You know, it's you know, you have
1416
01:35:16.159 --> 01:35:18.359
to question things, you have to kind of let go
1417
01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:22.439
of what you think is there and really tune in
1418
01:35:22.760 --> 01:35:28.039
back into your your your gut feeling about things. And
1419
01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:31.359
I think, you know, they may not have all the
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01:35:31.479 --> 01:35:34.600
structure to do all this stuff, or you know, they
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01:35:34.720 --> 01:35:37.359
roll their eyes all the time. Now they're like in
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01:35:37.399 --> 01:35:41.840
their twenty mid twenties, and you know, with the rolling
1423
01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:45.560
of the eyes of everything, but things sneak out where
1424
01:35:45.560 --> 01:35:47.720
they're like, oh my god, this thing happened to me,
1425
01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:51.680
and I'm like, oh yeah, okay, yeah, I know, couldn't
1426
01:35:51.680 --> 01:35:55.319
be remole viewing or anything. Right, it's not psychic, you know.
1427
01:35:56.079 --> 01:35:59.199
So what do you think children have kind of the
1428
01:35:59.279 --> 01:36:03.399
stronger can ation to these abilities and others. I hear
1429
01:36:03.479 --> 01:36:06.640
this often that people who do work with children that have,
1430
01:36:07.119 --> 01:36:10.560
you know, abilities, that once they get older, these abilities
1431
01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:14.159
usually naturally just start to fade away, but you know,
1432
01:36:14.319 --> 01:36:17.960
there's ways to keep it, to keep them sharper. Right.
1433
01:36:18.960 --> 01:36:23.199
Yeah, So about that is that we encourage, Like when
1434
01:36:23.239 --> 01:36:28.920
I'm training, I'm encouraging the students to get into their
1435
01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:34.039
child and what it's like equating to getting into your
1436
01:36:34.079 --> 01:36:39.600
subconscious because children are really going through life in their
1437
01:36:39.640 --> 01:36:44.399
subconscious up until the age of six or seven, and
1438
01:36:44.920 --> 01:36:47.279
to be a good remote viewer you have to let
1439
01:36:47.319 --> 01:36:50.600
go of that left brain. And these kids they just
1440
01:36:50.760 --> 01:36:53.560
kind of operate in the world by what things feel like.
1441
01:36:53.960 --> 01:36:56.760
They don't know the names of things, so they have
1442
01:36:56.840 --> 01:37:00.439
to describe them, you know, they don't have language, and
1443
01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:04.680
language is where we get our problems in many ways,
1444
01:37:04.720 --> 01:37:07.720
our language is where our problems start. But if we
1445
01:37:07.800 --> 01:37:11.399
go back to what things feel like in our bodies,
1446
01:37:11.479 --> 01:37:15.279
and that's what kids automatically do until they start kind
1447
01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:21.119
of evolving into critical thinking and analyzing things. That's when
1448
01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:23.800
we get into trouble because, like I just said, like
1449
01:37:24.399 --> 01:37:29.359
things that you see aren't necessarily what you're seeing, you know,
1450
01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:36.920
you know, things could you know, you can you know,
1451
01:37:37.119 --> 01:37:41.520
see two people together and assume they're a couple, right
1452
01:37:41.720 --> 01:37:44.640
because they're friendly, and then find out their brother and
1453
01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:47.640
sister they're just you know, they're not dating, they're friendly.
1454
01:37:48.079 --> 01:37:52.720
So you can't really trust your eyes that much. You
1455
01:37:52.840 --> 01:37:54.840
have to really go back to your kind of gut
1456
01:37:54.880 --> 01:37:58.279
feeling like, well, maybe it's not you know, don't draw
1457
01:37:58.319 --> 01:38:02.560
an assumption, don't draw conclusion to what I'm seeing, and
1458
01:38:02.680 --> 01:38:06.399
children don't do that. So I think, you know, that's why.
1459
01:38:06.920 --> 01:38:08.760
And if we can kind of go back, if we
1460
01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:11.560
can switch, you know, make a switch where we turn
1461
01:38:11.680 --> 01:38:14.600
back to like five years old again and get into
1462
01:38:14.640 --> 01:38:18.640
that state of mind where everything's a wonder, I think
1463
01:38:18.680 --> 01:38:21.800
we could be like perfect remote viewers. Yeah.
1464
01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:25.000
I love that. I think that the more that I
1465
01:38:25.079 --> 01:38:27.840
find out about all this stuff remote viewing, actual travel,
1466
01:38:27.880 --> 01:38:31.760
forms of meditation, that your your thoughts and your brain
1467
01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:33.960
is your worst enemy when it comes to this, and
1468
01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:36.159
you have to shut that off as much as possible
1469
01:38:36.199 --> 01:38:39.279
and just go off of your feelings and things that
1470
01:38:39.319 --> 01:38:40.600
are coming up inside you.
1471
01:38:40.720 --> 01:38:44.039
Right, yeah, exactly, very true.
1472
01:38:44.479 --> 01:38:48.079
Now, what do you think are some of the best
1473
01:38:48.119 --> 01:38:51.840
techniques that you could give people advice if they're interested
1474
01:38:51.840 --> 01:38:54.960
in maybe trying this, Well.
1475
01:38:54.800 --> 01:39:01.800
Take the class, but practice, you know, it's it's repetitive.
1476
01:39:02.920 --> 01:39:05.560
I think there's a lot of people in remote viewing
1477
01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:09.520
that compare it to a marshall excuse me, a martial art.
1478
01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:15.600
You know, if you remember the Karate kid where he
1479
01:39:15.760 --> 01:39:20.279
was teaching him to you know, wax on wax off,
1480
01:39:20.800 --> 01:39:23.920
and he didn't understand why he was doing that all
1481
01:39:23.960 --> 01:39:26.680
the time, like it was why am I waxing this car?
1482
01:39:26.720 --> 01:39:30.840
Why am I doing this? But it became something automatic
1483
01:39:30.960 --> 01:39:33.680
where it got to a point where he didn't think
1484
01:39:33.720 --> 01:39:36.720
about it and it just kicked in at the right time.
1485
01:39:37.399 --> 01:39:41.119
And so that's really what remote viewing is, you know,
1486
01:39:41.359 --> 01:39:45.560
is you practice a lot and it becomes automatic where
1487
01:39:46.039 --> 01:39:48.560
all of a sudden things bubble up. You get this
1488
01:39:48.800 --> 01:39:52.319
knowing because we don't we dismiss things all the time.
1489
01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:59.640
We're getting constant information and we dismissed. Ah can't be
1490
01:40:00.319 --> 01:40:03.399
you know, we dismiss it. We justify it. We do
1491
01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:07.359
all this stuff, and what remote viewing does is it
1492
01:40:07.359 --> 01:40:11.199
puts the brakes on and say, WHOA, maybe I should
1493
01:40:11.239 --> 01:40:14.119
look at that, you know, maybe that is a message
1494
01:40:14.159 --> 01:40:18.000
for me. People you know that are freaking out because
1495
01:40:18.039 --> 01:40:22.319
they want to find a job and they don't realize
1496
01:40:22.319 --> 01:40:25.920
that the jobs are like being thrown at them all
1497
01:40:26.039 --> 01:40:29.640
day long. But they just don't see it because they're
1498
01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:33.199
not in that state to see all this stuff coming
1499
01:40:33.239 --> 01:40:37.680
at them. But if you are aware of things, then
1500
01:40:38.399 --> 01:40:40.279
you know. And then of course you have fear that
1501
01:40:40.560 --> 01:40:44.800
blocks you from seeing these things. Or usually it's fair,
1502
01:40:45.479 --> 01:40:47.640
and that's why you would dismiss it. That can't be.
1503
01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:51.479
That can't be. But it's there and you just have
1504
01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:56.239
to like pluck it out, you know. And just like
1505
01:40:56.279 --> 01:40:59.520
I was telling you before we started, and I was
1506
01:41:00.279 --> 01:41:04.479
my kids went to the Coms game today, and I
1507
01:41:04.520 --> 01:41:07.399
was telling you this story how I went to a
1508
01:41:07.399 --> 01:41:11.119
baseball game and I wasn't really I was there to
1509
01:41:11.119 --> 01:41:14.039
get a sun Dan and I was on my phone
1510
01:41:14.079 --> 01:41:18.479
the whole time, wasn't paying attention, and I kind of noticed,
1511
01:41:18.520 --> 01:41:21.439
like everybody around me stood up, but I didn't really care.
1512
01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:25.239
I was into my phone and next thing I know,
1513
01:41:25.560 --> 01:41:30.359
the ball the game ball fell in my lap, and
1514
01:41:30.399 --> 01:41:32.800
everybody was like, you know, they all turned and went
1515
01:41:33.399 --> 01:41:37.560
what but the ball fell in my lap. So things
1516
01:41:37.600 --> 01:41:42.119
aren't constantly coming at you, and you just have to like,
1517
01:41:42.359 --> 01:41:44.399
you know, my big thing is like why did the
1518
01:41:44.399 --> 01:41:46.680
ball come? Why did the ball come to me?
1519
01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:46.960
Like?
1520
01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:49.640
What does this mean? I'm always asking that what can
1521
01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:52.920
I learn from this? How is this a metaphor? And
1522
01:41:54.039 --> 01:41:57.239
that's you know, I wasn't like that before I started
1523
01:41:57.600 --> 01:41:59.680
going down this path of remote doing.
1524
01:42:01.079 --> 01:42:04.039
So you would say that it could help people figure
1525
01:42:04.079 --> 01:42:07.920
out things about the nature of their own reality and
1526
01:42:08.039 --> 01:42:11.039
journey and purpose and where they're headed.
1527
01:42:12.359 --> 01:42:16.720
Yeah, that's that's what my main focus, Like I have
1528
01:42:16.800 --> 01:42:19.640
two One is to help people and the other is
1529
01:42:19.640 --> 01:42:23.439
to kind of evolve as a person, because you know,
1530
01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:27.399
all these things are showing us that we're more than this,
1531
01:42:27.920 --> 01:42:32.000
We're more than this vessel. We are so you know,
1532
01:42:32.119 --> 01:42:37.279
we're we could just do so much and I feel
1533
01:42:37.319 --> 01:42:40.239
like this is the path or similar this is a
1534
01:42:40.319 --> 01:42:43.760
path at least it's a starting point to where it
1535
01:42:43.760 --> 01:42:46.760
could go. You know, remote viewing in twenty years might
1536
01:42:46.800 --> 01:42:51.560
not look like this anymore, but it's it's a starting
1537
01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:55.319
place where we can move forward.
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Right.
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I love it. I love that so many people have
1555
01:44:14.239 --> 01:44:17.159
kind of shifted during this kind of awakening that everybody's
1556
01:44:17.199 --> 01:44:20.840
going through and become more interested in things like this. Now,
1557
01:44:20.880 --> 01:44:23.079
you also do hypnosis, Is that right?
1558
01:44:24.159 --> 01:44:26.119
Yeah? I do hypnosis.
1559
01:44:26.560 --> 01:44:30.359
Could you talk about maybe some of the most profound
1560
01:44:30.359 --> 01:44:33.079
things that you've done to help people through hypnosis.
1561
01:44:33.880 --> 01:44:36.680
Well, one of the things there's I'm finding that there's
1562
01:44:36.720 --> 01:44:41.640
a lot of common things between Sometimes I use remote
1563
01:44:41.720 --> 01:44:49.359
viewing and hypnosis. I have a situation where somebody lost
1564
01:44:50.159 --> 01:44:54.760
their keys to the rental car, and some of those
1565
01:44:55.119 --> 01:44:59.199
keys to replace them are very expensive, and so on
1566
01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:02.800
top of it, we're completely freaking out because they didn't
1567
01:45:02.800 --> 01:45:08.399
have the money to pay, and so hypnosis helped me
1568
01:45:08.560 --> 01:45:12.479
calm him down. So what I did was, when I
1569
01:45:12.520 --> 01:45:17.239
first heard about it, I did a session to locate
1570
01:45:17.399 --> 01:45:21.000
the keys, and so I did a quick session I
1571
01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:24.359
think it was like five or ten minutes, and I
1572
01:45:24.399 --> 01:45:29.079
got word like perceptions. Somehow a cat popped up in
1573
01:45:29.159 --> 01:45:36.119
my session, and then some kind of metallic table or
1574
01:45:36.279 --> 01:45:41.520
stool or something, and then you know, carpet or something
1575
01:45:42.720 --> 01:45:44.800
something on the ground and it was like kind of
1576
01:45:44.880 --> 01:45:48.279
hidden in the dark, and it's something like it didn't
1577
01:45:48.319 --> 01:45:53.720
hit the sunlight. So I hypnotized him over the phone,
1578
01:45:54.119 --> 01:45:57.840
mind you, and I was kind of just experimenting to
1579
01:45:57.840 --> 01:46:01.920
see if it would work, and so I started calming
1580
01:46:02.039 --> 01:46:06.319
and putting him into trance, and it turned out that
1581
01:46:06.439 --> 01:46:11.000
the reason he lost his keys. The main reason was
1582
01:46:11.079 --> 01:46:16.439
because of his cat. So it seems so random to
1583
01:46:16.479 --> 01:46:19.000
me that I would get a cat. But it turned
1584
01:46:19.039 --> 01:46:25.079
out that his cat had a stomach problem, and so
1585
01:46:25.399 --> 01:46:29.439
his method to heal that was to starve the cat
1586
01:46:29.600 --> 01:46:34.359
for I think three days. I don't know that was
1587
01:46:34.399 --> 01:46:37.640
his thing. I wasn't judging, but if I were going
1588
01:46:37.680 --> 01:46:40.399
to no, I'm kidding. The cats were paying. By the way,
1589
01:46:41.079 --> 01:46:44.680
it was not harmed, so I guess he just wanted
1590
01:46:44.680 --> 01:46:47.520
it to, you know, kind of like what we do.
1591
01:46:47.600 --> 01:46:49.359
Like if you have a stomach thing, you don't eat
1592
01:46:49.439 --> 01:46:53.800
for at least four hours. So anyway, so he was
1593
01:46:53.840 --> 01:46:55.600
freaking out because it was the third day, and he
1594
01:46:55.640 --> 01:46:58.279
wanted to get food for the cat right away because
1595
01:46:58.319 --> 01:47:01.239
it's already been three days. So he ran to the
1596
01:47:01.239 --> 01:47:05.039
grocery store and you know, was going to get food
1597
01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:09.760
and then get back to the cat. So he remembered
1598
01:47:11.079 --> 01:47:14.680
so in trance, I even asked him what the receipt
1599
01:47:14.880 --> 01:47:17.479
the dollar amount on the receipt. Do you ever remember
1600
01:47:17.520 --> 01:47:20.800
the dollar amount on your receipt? Now? So he did.
1601
01:47:20.800 --> 01:47:26.279
In trance, he remembered every single detail, but could not
1602
01:47:27.520 --> 01:47:29.279
you know, because I was taking him back to the
1603
01:47:29.359 --> 01:47:33.319
time that he lost his keys, because our sub conscious
1604
01:47:33.359 --> 01:47:36.279
has permanent memory, and all we have to do is
1605
01:47:36.359 --> 01:47:39.920
kind of get through all the noise of the world
1606
01:47:40.000 --> 01:47:43.000
and then kind of push that memory forward. But for
1607
01:47:43.039 --> 01:47:46.479
some reason I wasn't getting I mean, I got the
1608
01:47:46.520 --> 01:47:49.439
dollar amount on the receipt, I got every other detail,
1609
01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:54.279
but for some reason couldn't get where the keys were.
1610
01:47:55.039 --> 01:47:58.600
So I said, I want you, and I gave him
1611
01:47:58.600 --> 01:48:01.920
a hypnotic suggestion, and you're going to go to sleep now,
1612
01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:04.640
and when you wake up, you're going to walk to
1613
01:48:04.760 --> 01:48:09.000
the keys and pick them up. I'm like, you know,
1614
01:48:09.199 --> 01:48:12.319
let's see if it works. So the next morning at
1615
01:48:12.319 --> 01:48:15.880
ten thirty, he calls me up and he's like, you know, Michelle,
1616
01:48:15.920 --> 01:48:19.359
I had a really bad migraine. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry.
1617
01:48:19.720 --> 01:48:22.720
Here's when I fell asleep, and when I got up
1618
01:48:22.760 --> 01:48:25.640
in the morning, I found the key. I'm like, you did,
1619
01:48:25.720 --> 01:48:28.640
Where was it? He goes it was under a table
1620
01:48:29.560 --> 01:48:35.479
in the carpet. I'm like, oh, okay, great, because maybe
1621
01:48:35.520 --> 01:48:38.000
the cat noted the keys. I don't know, but he
1622
01:48:38.119 --> 01:48:42.439
found it. And that's how I used hypnosis with remote
1623
01:48:42.520 --> 01:48:46.319
viewing and it worked. Like you know, hey, that works.
1624
01:48:46.640 --> 01:48:51.159
That's really cool. Now have you used this for You
1625
01:48:51.199 --> 01:48:54.359
said you were able to kind of access people's past
1626
01:48:54.479 --> 01:48:57.800
lives a bit through remote viewing. Have you integrated any
1627
01:48:57.880 --> 01:48:59.000
hypnosis into this?
1628
01:49:00.800 --> 01:49:05.720
So hypnosis I do separate. We do past lives all
1629
01:49:05.760 --> 01:49:09.600
the time. People love it because they want to kind
1630
01:49:09.640 --> 01:49:14.479
of but I'd like to add that purpose where you know,
1631
01:49:14.520 --> 01:49:18.640
where you take a skill or some information and kind
1632
01:49:18.640 --> 01:49:21.880
of bring it to this life to help improve your life.
1633
01:49:22.359 --> 01:49:26.680
So we do those things all the time. And the
1634
01:49:26.800 --> 01:49:32.159
other thing I use is like an age regression. Uh,
1635
01:49:32.520 --> 01:49:37.279
but I don't control where people go, So we use
1636
01:49:37.359 --> 01:49:41.800
age regression mainly if people have a phobia or they
1637
01:49:41.840 --> 01:49:45.279
want to break a habit or anything like that, and
1638
01:49:45.359 --> 01:49:48.840
so I just see myself as the headlights to a car.
1639
01:49:49.439 --> 01:49:51.920
And there are times where people, even though we call
1640
01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:57.399
it an age regression, sometimes people will pop into another
1641
01:49:57.520 --> 01:50:00.920
life that is connected to this life of where the
1642
01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:05.680
phobia came from. So if they're afraid of swimming, maybe
1643
01:50:05.680 --> 01:50:09.960
they drown in a past life. But I just take them,
1644
01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:13.159
like wherever they want to go. And so they would
1645
01:50:13.199 --> 01:50:16.319
take me, oh, you know, to this life and then
1646
01:50:16.399 --> 01:50:20.159
start describing it. And then it turns out they drowned
1647
01:50:20.239 --> 01:50:25.760
or something. My brother who's completely skeptical. He's a skeptical
1648
01:50:25.800 --> 01:50:30.319
believer like myself, but worse because like, for example, he'll say,
1649
01:50:30.319 --> 01:50:35.520
I believe in hypnosis, but not remote viewing, and I'm like, okay, whatever.
1650
01:50:36.840 --> 01:50:42.760
So he so he I took him to a time
1651
01:50:42.840 --> 01:50:45.920
where I'll just make a long story short, where I
1652
01:50:45.960 --> 01:50:50.000
took him to the death of that life. And he
1653
01:50:50.439 --> 01:50:54.960
was describing that he was falling down a well and
1654
01:50:55.439 --> 01:50:59.000
I said, you know what happened? And he said, somebody
1655
01:50:59.039 --> 01:51:03.079
pushed me and then he saw himself, you know, dead
1656
01:51:03.359 --> 01:51:07.640
at the bottom of it. And I said, do you
1657
01:51:07.760 --> 01:51:11.000
think this has something to do with your fear of heights?
1658
01:51:11.920 --> 01:51:14.680
And he said yes, and he's in trance this whole time.
1659
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I said, okay, so let's heal this. And so then
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01:51:18.479 --> 01:51:21.560
we went through a process where we healed his fear.
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01:51:22.840 --> 01:51:27.760
We healed his fear, and then a few months later,
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01:51:27.880 --> 01:51:30.720
after this incident, I asked him, you know, how are
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01:51:30.760 --> 01:51:34.319
you doing and dealing with heights. He said, well, let
1664
01:51:34.399 --> 01:51:36.439
me just tell you I have a healthy fear of
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01:51:36.479 --> 01:51:41.520
heights now. And so it worked. You know, it's very cool.
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01:51:43.279 --> 01:51:45.000
So yeah it is.
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01:51:45.159 --> 01:51:46.239
Yeah, that's very cool.
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Uh, you.
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I think last time you were on you talked a
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01:51:49.600 --> 01:51:54.319
bit how remote viewing can actually be used to somewhat
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01:51:54.399 --> 01:51:57.359
predict fu future events or maybe see into the future
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01:51:57.399 --> 01:52:01.159
a bit. Have you been able to do this with
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01:52:01.239 --> 01:52:02.439
any success.
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01:52:03.560 --> 01:52:08.000
All the time? I have a couple research published research
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01:52:08.079 --> 01:52:11.920
papers that went into the Journal for Psychical Research and
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01:52:12.279 --> 01:52:20.079
the Parapsychology Association. On my website Butterfly Effectscenter dot com,
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01:52:20.359 --> 01:52:24.239
you can see those papers where we did experiments in
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01:52:24.359 --> 01:52:29.560
predicting future outcomes of sporting events. And then to make
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01:52:29.560 --> 01:52:33.079
it interesting, we used our dreams. So just really quickly,
1680
01:52:33.119 --> 01:52:37.079
what we did was we were assigned a photo that
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01:52:37.199 --> 01:52:42.640
represented a team. So for example, the Cubs would have
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01:52:42.720 --> 01:52:47.800
one photo and another team would have another photo, and
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01:52:48.159 --> 01:52:52.520
we're supposed to dream about the photo of the team
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01:52:52.960 --> 01:52:55.039
of the winning team that they're going to show us
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01:52:55.079 --> 01:52:58.159
after the game. Does that make sense? I know it's
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01:52:58.159 --> 01:53:03.560
hard to explain. Okay, So we're what we're essentially doing
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01:53:03.680 --> 01:53:09.439
is we are projecting our subconscious into the future to
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01:53:09.560 --> 01:53:13.439
the time of after the game, and we are perceiving
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01:53:13.479 --> 01:53:16.399
the photo that's going to be emailed to us. So
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01:53:16.439 --> 01:53:19.319
we have no idea Number one, what two photos that
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01:53:19.399 --> 01:53:23.159
they picked, and we don't know which photo is going
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01:53:23.239 --> 01:53:27.199
to be sent to us. So we are reaching into
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01:53:27.239 --> 01:53:31.880
the future and bringing the information back to the past.
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01:53:32.520 --> 01:53:37.119
How cool is that. Yes, there is a huge amount
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01:53:37.159 --> 01:53:42.159
of people working on that where they are predicting financials,
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01:53:43.039 --> 01:53:48.199
sporting horse horses, anything that you can predict. You can
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01:53:48.239 --> 01:53:53.800
even you can even predict like what kind of girl
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01:53:54.079 --> 01:53:56.960
or guy I'm going to meet in the future. You know,
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01:53:57.159 --> 01:54:00.159
you could anything that you want. You know, do you
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01:54:00.239 --> 01:54:03.199
like we did, you know, going into the future when
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01:54:03.199 --> 01:54:05.880
we were looking at the Olympics. We did that session
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01:54:06.439 --> 01:54:10.960
a year before the Olympics. So the idea of being
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01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:17.720
able to reach into the future and bring and then
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01:54:17.800 --> 01:54:21.239
send the information back is pretty cool. And then it
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01:54:21.319 --> 01:54:25.199
begs the question can we use this for ourselves, Like
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01:54:25.760 --> 01:54:29.039
when we're making a choice between something, can we kind
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01:54:29.079 --> 01:54:32.319
of send the information back saying don't do that choice.
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01:54:32.399 --> 01:54:34.520
You know, if you have choice A and choice B,
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01:54:34.680 --> 01:54:37.960
you choose A and A didn't really go well for you,
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01:54:38.359 --> 01:54:41.520
can you send the information back to say don't choose A,
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01:54:41.840 --> 01:54:46.800
choose B. So we get into these big philosophical questions
1712
01:54:47.319 --> 01:54:50.159
about being able to do that, and I think that
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01:54:50.840 --> 01:54:54.560
you know, we're just such babies in this you know
1714
01:54:54.840 --> 01:54:57.359
world that I think we will be able to evolve
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01:54:57.920 --> 01:55:01.159
and be able to do that more often where you know,
1716
01:55:01.279 --> 01:55:04.159
just to help ourselves, like what path? And then the
1717
01:55:04.239 --> 01:55:07.239
other question is do we want to know like maybe
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01:55:07.279 --> 01:55:10.399
you will be feating yourselves out of a learning experience,
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01:55:10.520 --> 01:55:14.119
so you know, maybe you have to go down that
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01:55:14.239 --> 01:55:18.159
path and learn a big lesson for even more. I mean,
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01:55:18.199 --> 01:55:21.680
it's like a chain effect. It's kind of it's a
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01:55:21.720 --> 01:55:23.479
big question. Definitely.
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01:55:24.239 --> 01:55:24.439
Yeah.
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01:55:24.439 --> 01:55:27.520
I can imagine that there are individuals and organizations, in
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01:55:27.600 --> 01:55:31.199
high level groups that may be a bit threatened or
1726
01:55:31.239 --> 01:55:34.560
concerned about too many people learning how to do this stuff,
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01:55:34.560 --> 01:55:38.159
because if too many people have these wonderful abilities, we
1728
01:55:38.199 --> 01:55:41.880
would need Daddy government for really anything anymore. Are these
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01:55:41.960 --> 01:55:45.119
you know, corporations that are trying to sell us all
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01:55:45.159 --> 01:55:47.840
these deadly things that are kill us instead?
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01:55:48.800 --> 01:55:53.359
Yeah, I mean it's interesting because right now there is
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01:55:53.159 --> 01:55:57.960
this group and they are making money all the time,
1733
01:55:58.439 --> 01:56:02.680
and we're also hired a lot of times by corporate
1734
01:56:02.880 --> 01:56:08.479
corporation CEOs CFOs. They're asking us to help them decide
1735
01:56:08.479 --> 01:56:12.239
on stocks that they should invest in. So we get
1736
01:56:12.319 --> 01:56:15.399
a lot of groups like that that are hiring us
1737
01:56:16.600 --> 01:56:20.199
right now. My guess that they're not bugging any remote
1738
01:56:20.239 --> 01:56:25.399
viewers right now is because we still I mean, it's
1739
01:56:25.560 --> 01:56:29.840
just not reliable because we're human, and I think that
1740
01:56:30.399 --> 01:56:33.359
it's just enough to I think they're keeping an eye
1741
01:56:33.439 --> 01:56:36.159
on things, but I think that there's going to be
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01:56:36.239 --> 01:56:41.079
a point where we overcome it, where we'll be able
1743
01:56:41.119 --> 01:56:45.600
to figure out how to how to kind of turn
1744
01:56:45.720 --> 01:56:49.079
down the left brain and turn up the right brain.
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01:56:49.640 --> 01:56:51.600
And at some point we're going to do it, because
1746
01:56:51.600 --> 01:56:56.880
that's where we're going. And uh, yeah, so I think, you.
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01:56:56.840 --> 01:57:01.640
Know, yeah, we're living definitely in credible times. I'm excited
1748
01:57:01.640 --> 01:57:03.479
about a lot of things that are happening right now,
1749
01:57:03.640 --> 01:57:08.039
especially in these fields paranormal PSI activity, remote viewing, all
1750
01:57:08.079 --> 01:57:10.920
the stuff, and right now is a perfect time for
1751
01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:13.159
you to let the audience know all about what they
1752
01:57:13.239 --> 01:57:15.920
can expect from these remote viewing classes.
1753
01:57:16.880 --> 01:57:19.960
So yeah, so it's basically a lot of what we're
1754
01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:25.560
talking about. There's it's an eight week course and each
1755
01:57:26.119 --> 01:57:31.039
session is two hours long. So I'll teach we have
1756
01:57:31.119 --> 01:57:33.680
different phases, so I'll teach a little about the phase
1757
01:57:34.199 --> 01:57:37.680
and then we'll do a session, and then we'll also
1758
01:57:38.119 --> 01:57:43.720
do exercises to get us better at these things. And
1759
01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:48.520
it's a lot of fun. And and like I said before,
1760
01:57:48.720 --> 01:57:51.760
like you can't beat the price because.
1761
01:57:51.640 --> 01:57:53.439
Us, that's crazy.
1762
01:57:54.079 --> 01:58:00.239
Yeah, it's because erva. We're teaming up together because I
1763
01:58:02.159 --> 01:58:04.560
just really want more people to be learning this. I
1764
01:58:04.600 --> 01:58:06.960
think it will help a lot of people.
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01:58:06.960 --> 01:58:11.960
All right, And it starts Saturday, September third online, correct, Yes.
1766
01:58:11.720 --> 01:58:16.000
Yeah, And then I think I have the link to register.
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01:58:16.359 --> 01:58:18.039
Yes, I will have the link right in the description.
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01:58:18.159 --> 01:58:21.239
Everyone will be able to just easily click that and register.
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01:58:22.039 --> 01:58:22.239
Yeah.
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01:58:22.319 --> 01:58:24.600
Make sure that when you go to the third one
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01:58:24.640 --> 01:58:29.000
down where it says Michelle Freid transdimensional Systems. A lot
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01:58:29.039 --> 01:58:32.000
of people miss that that's the one that you click on.
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01:58:32.439 --> 01:58:37.680
Perfect awesome, Michelle, Well this was fantastic, you know. Fun
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01:58:37.920 --> 01:58:40.680
soon for sure. Yeah, and before you head out, let
1775
01:58:40.720 --> 01:58:43.760
the audience know where they can find more about you
1776
01:58:43.960 --> 01:58:47.239
anything else you're offering all the good stuff like that.
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01:58:47.960 --> 01:58:51.159
Oh, so just this for now, and then I'll probably
1778
01:58:51.159 --> 01:58:56.279
in the winter start my own classes again. I like
1779
01:58:56.359 --> 01:59:00.000
small groups in my classes, and it's a little bit more.
1780
01:59:01.119 --> 01:59:04.479
I charge like four hundred and fifteen dollars for my class,
1781
01:59:05.359 --> 01:59:11.520
and I'll also be offering something called remote it's like
1782
01:59:12.079 --> 01:59:16.680
a medical met apps where it's helped for healing, and
1783
01:59:17.359 --> 01:59:22.000
if you're into true crime, it can also help identify
1784
01:59:23.239 --> 01:59:28.560
cold cases and anything like that. We find missing people,
1785
01:59:28.840 --> 01:59:32.640
and one thing I'm starting to think about is a
1786
01:59:32.720 --> 01:59:37.199
human trafficking situation that I'm wondering if we might be
1787
01:59:37.199 --> 01:59:40.359
able to help help with things like that. So I'll
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01:59:40.399 --> 01:59:43.880
be kind of probably in the end of winter, working
1789
01:59:43.920 --> 01:59:45.399
on a new class for that.
1790
01:59:46.000 --> 01:59:48.439
And like you said earlier, you're eventually looking for a
1791
01:59:48.520 --> 01:59:52.319
team for special remote viewing projects, right, yes.
1792
01:59:52.359 --> 01:59:59.359
Yeah, operational remote viewing where people get hired and you
1793
01:59:59.399 --> 02:00:02.399
don't make a of money. Maybe not Mama needs a
1794
02:00:02.399 --> 02:00:05.760
new pair of shoes money, but it's you know, at
1795
02:00:05.840 --> 02:00:11.079
least you're getting some money for doing something, so that
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02:00:11.079 --> 02:00:15.199
that is an option. I'm looking for committed people that
1797
02:00:16.359 --> 02:00:21.399
just will keep practicing and be reliable for these cases
1798
02:00:21.520 --> 02:00:24.239
because they're always coming in and I have to turn
1799
02:00:24.279 --> 02:00:27.680
them down. So what I want to do is find
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a really good team.
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02:00:29.720 --> 02:00:32.760
Excellent, Michelle, Thank you so much. This was fantastic and
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02:00:32.800 --> 02:00:34.800
we'll be definitely talking again in the future.
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02:00:35.680 --> 02:00:37.640
Okay, great sounds good, Thank you.
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Take care, Thank you. Until next time. Everyone, have an
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excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow.
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