FKN Classics Double Feature! Robert Guffey - Culture Creation | Reality Czars - Rogue Egregores

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Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
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I want to welcome back to the show Robert Guffey.
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He is an author of several books, articles, and publications,
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as well as a lecturer in the Department of English
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at California State University. Robert, welcome back. How you doing.
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I'm fine. Thank you for inviting me back on.
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Yes, thank you so much for coming back on. This
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is going to be a great discussion. We're going to
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be talking about a recent article that you published about
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the Masonic and hermetic symbolism woven into the work of
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Jack Kirby, especially as it relates to The Incredible Hulk
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and similar comic book tales of the fifties and sixties.
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I also wanted to get your insights into how prevalent
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this symbolism is in our everyday lives as well as
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in modern culture and cinema, and maybe what they're trying
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to tell us with this in the grand scheme of things.
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Before we get into any of this, it's been a
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little while since you've been on. Remind the audience a
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little bit about yourself and your work.
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Sure, I think the last time I was on, I
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talked about my third book, Camellio Yes, And in fact
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I published a follow up article about Camellia and Nexus
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Magazine called Invisible Predators that people can find pretty easily.
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I've written fiction and nonfiction. I've written ten books so far.
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My latest book is called Cryptopolis and Other Stories. It's
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a collection of twenty five short stories published between two
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thousand and twenty twenty two. And in fact, there's a
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lot of stories in there that would be of interest
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to the listeners. I think thesonic, charmetic, alchemical, gnostic symbolism,
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and a lot of the stories in that book, And
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if you're interested in the jfk assassination, I particularly recommend
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the penultimate story in the book, which is called Adventures
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in the Head Wound. It's the only story in the
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book that was not previously published elsewhere, so it's a
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brand new story. And the reason it's a brand new story,
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it's because it was rejected by probably every single magazine
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on the planet at one time. An editor sent it
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back to me ripped in a half, so if you
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want to and it's dedicated to the memory of Paul Krasner.
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Paul Krasner, who was the editor of the realist and
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worked with May Brussel, the Queen of conspiracies, back in
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the sixties. And Paul Krasner was probably one of the
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great satirists and humorous minds of our time. He passed
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away and I think twenty nineteen, and so the story
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is dedicated to Paul Krasner. I once had a very
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long phone conversation with him after he saw me give
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a lecture at the Midnight Special Bookstore in Santa Monica,
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which sadly is no longer there. It was on the
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three Street Promenade, and there was a back room where
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all kinds of different people used to speak, and so
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I gave a lecture there one night, and Paul Krasner
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happened to be in the audience, and later a mutual
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friend gave him my phone number and we talked for
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about two hours. And Paul Krasner was a comedian, and
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we had a conversation about why it is that so
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many stand up comedians are also into conspiracy theories, which
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was which was because a lot are Paul Krasner is
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one mor Saul was investigated the jfk assassination, so did
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Dick Gregory. Richard Belzer wrote several books about conspiracy theories.
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Freddie Prince Junior was heavy into conspiracy theories. Uh, well,
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you know, on and on and uh. And my working
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theory was that standard comedians and conspiracy theorists sort of
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see the world in a different way, slightly askew. So
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perhaps that's the connection. But when I was on I
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was recently on Mark Marin's WCF podcast to talk about
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a book I wrote, coll Operation Mind Fuck, And at
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the after the interview was over, I asked him, I said,
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you know more stand up comedians than I do. Here,
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tell me your theory. Why are so many standard comedians
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into conspiracy theories? And then he replied, it's because they
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get a lot of time on their hands. All they
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only have to work fifteen minutes a day, so they
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just sit around reading about conspiracy theories. I was expecting
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something more profound, but I go, okay, I can accept that.
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I think that's that sounds reasonable explanation to me. But
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so Adventures in the Head Wound that's in Cryptopolis and
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other stories published by lethe Press. I encourage people to
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take a look at very proud of that book. Also,
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I should mention that just prior to Cryptoplist and other stories.
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I published a novel called Dead Monkey Rum in September
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of last year, and I need to mention this before
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I forget. It's been nominated for a Rondo Award. Now
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anyone can vote in the Rondo Awards. This is the
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twenty second annual Rondo Award. Dead Monkey Rum is nominated
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along with another a number of other novels. So if
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you go to my website cryptoscatology dot com you search
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for Dead Monkey Rum or Rondo Award, you'll see a
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post with very simple instructions how to vote in the
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Rondo Awards. So all you have to do is just
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email your vote to David Colden before April sixteenth. So
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if you go to cryptoscatology dot com look at that post,
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you'll see how to vote in the Rondo Awards. Dead
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Monkey Rum is a novel about the peculiar evolutionary theories
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of this visionary sculptor artist named Stanislas Sukalski, who if
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you go to Netflix, there's a documentary called Struggle, The
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Life and Lost Art of Sukkalski, and it's a fascinating
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documentary all about Sikolsky and his strange cryptozoological theories about
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human evolution, and Dead Monkey Rum revolves around these theories,
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and also it's about Tiki culture and pissed off abominable
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snowmen and the South Seas rum, talkie monkeys, secret underground
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tunnels in la among other elements of high strangeness. And
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the book kind of grew out of my fascination with
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Sukolsky and his work. So it's got quotes from Lauren Coleman,
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the cryptozoologist, and Alan Moore, the author of Watchman and
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v for Vendetta gave me a blurb along with Jim
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Woodring and Robert Williams, who are both brilliant painters who
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knew Sikolski. And Eric Dobrolski, who directed Struggle, also gave
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me a blurb for that book. So definitely vote for
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Dead Monkey Rum in the Rondo Awards before April sixteenth.
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So you know, I thought, I write both fiction and nonfiction,
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and I've always had an equal interest in both, and
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I have two books coming out soon. My next book
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is called The Expectant Mother Disinformation Handbook, which is fiction,
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and that'll be coming out from Madness Heart Press pretty soon.
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And then after that I have a very long nonfiction
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book that I've been working on for quite a while
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called Hollywood Haunts the World, an investigation into the Cinema
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of occulta taboos, and it covers cinema from nineteen twenty
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one all the way to twenty one, so one hundred years.
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And I analyze esoteric symbolism in films. But not just that.
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There have been a couple of films about that topic.
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There's a guy named Robert W. Sullivan who's written, Oh great, yeah,
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it's interesting. We've never met. We've never met, but I
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have his book on the Royal arch which is which
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is really good. And it's interesting that his name is
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Robert W. Sullivan. I'm Robert W. Guffie.
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Yes, he's the.
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Thirty second degree Scottish righte mason. I'm a thirty second
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degree Scottish right mason. He's written about esoteric symbolism in
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cinema and I have as well, So I don't know
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if we're the same person or I don't know. I
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can't explain that, but I've never met him, but I
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would like to talk to him at some point. But
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Hollywood Haunts the World will be coming out from Head Press,
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maybe probably either later this year or early next year.
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But that kind of symbolism, which the first chapter of
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the book in fact examines gnostic symbolism, particularly in recent
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Hollywood films, and and but I mean, you can trace
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it back very far. But I kind of begin my
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analysis with Dark City, which kind of sparks this resurgence
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of heavy gnostic symbolism in film, because then you get
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the Matrix right after that, and in nineteen ninety nine
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you get the Matrix Eyes Wide Shut, Pleasantville, the Truman Show.
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All these films Existends, the David Croenberg film, all these films,
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you know, questioning reality? What is reality? Are we living
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in a simulated reality? And so I I analyze the
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different approaches to to all these films and why, you know,
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why why are they appearing now at this time in
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the past, say twenty five thirty years. And in the
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Jack Kirby article that you mentioned, which is in the
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current issue of The Jack Kirby Collector at number eighty nine,
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the Spring twenty twenty four issue, it's the All Conspiracies issue.
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That's the theme of the issue is conspiracies. And I've
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always been interested, fascinated by Jack Kirby, I actually visited
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his grave in Thousand Oaks, which isn't far from where
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I am in Long Beach. A. Thousand Oaks is where
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he lived for the last from I think the seventies
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all the way to his death in nineteen ninety four.
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And I've written about Jack Kirby in the past as well.
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I wrote an article about his comic book Omac in
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the New York Review of Science Fiction back and around
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two thousand and nine or so. That's an interesting book
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to read, particularly in retrospect. He did that in the seventies.
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It's called Omac One Man Army Corps, and it's all
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about this like super soldier. He has this mohawk, and
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he has this eye symbol on his chest, and he's
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psychically connected to this satellite in the sky, this eye
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in the sky called Brother I, that beams information into
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his head and he's so this super Soldier is controlled
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by this orbiting eye in the sky. It's really kind
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of like an early cyberpunk novel, but Kirby did it
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in the seventies for DC Comics. But it reads like
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an underground comic. It almost at times it's like am
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I reading a Robert Crumb comic or is this a
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Jack Kirby superhero comic book? So I wrote about O
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Mac and I also wrote in twenty eleven in The
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Jack Kirby Collector and in the New York Review of Science.
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I wrote an article called We All Live in Happy Land,
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which was about Jack Kirby and the JFK assassination. I
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had heard Mark Evanier, who is Jack Kirby's biographer, mentioned
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that Kirby had told him once that he had written
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the story in response to the JFK assassination. And Mark
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Evanier went through and looked at all the stories that
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would have been published at Marvel right after the assassination,
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and he read all of them and he said he
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didn't see anything in there that seemed to tie in
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to the JFK assassination. And I decided that, you know,
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sometimes it takes you a while to process something, particularly
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if it's traumatic. So I don't think Kirby meant that
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he immediately wrote a story in a response to the
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JFK assassination. I think he meant that, you know, later
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on he wrote one. And so there's this issue of
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a series he wrote called The Forever People, which is
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a part of his sort of magnum opus, the Fourth
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World series that comprises the New Gods, Mister Miracle, and
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the Forever People. And in the Forever People, there's this
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one story where the Forever People are trapped in this
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subterranean torture chamber that's located underneath this amusement park in
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southern California that's clearly supposed to be Disneyland, and dark Side,
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the evil villain of the book, is secretly controlling this
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Disneyland like amusement park and is using it as a
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cover for various strange like mind control experiments. And all
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the people who are going there, they're just the regular
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human beings who are attending the park. They think they're
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engaging in like amusement rides, but they're actually, without knowing it,
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torturing the people below ground. And I had this image
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of Jack Kirby going to Disneyland for the first time
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after having moved from New York. You know, he's lived
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in New York his whole life, and he moves to
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California in the early seventies. Obviously probably went to Disneyland
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with his family and then immediately started thinking what's going
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on underground? What's going on underneath Disneyland. I love the
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idea of this guy his mind just suddenly like seeing
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the underside or something. It's almost like the first scene
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in Blue Velvet, that iconic moment where the camera you
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see the emerald green grass and the guy mowing the
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lawn and the white picket fence and it looks like
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a normal rock wall painting, and the camera goes underneath
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the ground and you see the insects crawling all over
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each other. You know, it's almost like this issue of
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the Forever People. It is almost a kind of elaboration
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of that same theme. And so I argue that metaphorically,
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this particular issue that Forever People, is actually his story
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in reaction to the jfk assassination. So that appeared in
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the New York re View of Science Fiction and also
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the Jack Herby Collector, and then I wrote an article
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in the same year called The Morning of the Mutants
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for a fortyen Times, and that was all about I
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argue in there that Jack Herbie was obviously a voracious reader.
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He was clearly interested in the paranormal, did it cult
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all that kind of you know, high strangeness and and
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Fortian phenomena, and I suspect that he probably read The
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Morning the Magicians by Jacques Burget and Lewis Powells, and
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in there there's a whole chapter where they're speculating about
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and of course this book would have been published in
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English in the very early sixties and X Men number
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one comes out like, let's say sixty three, I believe
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late sixty three. Maybe I suspect that he read Morning
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the Magicians because there's a whole chapter in there about
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what if there were mutants living among us? And what
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would they form a secret society or would they come
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out and announce themselves or would they be concerned that
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they would be persecuted by other humans? So they would
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probably form a secret society and not let anyone know
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that they are operating. So, and of course that's essentially
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that's the basic premise of the X Men comic. So
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in this article I argue that Kirby was influenced by
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Verger and Powells when he did The X Men. And
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then later in twenty seventeen, I wrote an article called
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The Little Humans and Giant Gods The Extraterrestrial Art of
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Jack Kirby that was also in the Jack Hereby Collector,
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and that's all about Jack Kirby's fascination with the Easter Island,
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which weirdly enough ties into Dead Monkey Rum because Stanta
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Salsakalski was also obsessed with Easter Island. But Jack Herby
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did all these weird little stories, including the first issue
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of four that revolves around East Island and the and
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the Stoneheads on Easter Island and uh. So in this article,
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it's a very long article, a little humans and Giant Gods.
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I I analyze all the sort of extraterrestrial UH symbolism
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in Kirby stories, particularly through the lens of these Easter
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Island stories that he did, and UH and then and
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then UH. Now the most recent article I did is
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this one which is called g bomb UH Masonic and
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Hermetic symbolism UH in in the Incredible Hulk UH. And
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in there I'm talking about.
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I I mentioned a quote from UH, a life of Levy,
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who wrote Transcendental Magic. There's a quote in there that
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says everything is maintained by equilibrium, and harmony results from
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the analogy of the contraries. So that's essentially it's all
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about the reconciliation of opposites, and I argue that that's
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the main theme of of The Incredible Hulk. My my
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original intention was to analyze the first five issues, because
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the Hulk only lasted six issues at first in its
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initial incarnation because it was not a top seller for Marvel,
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so they just ended it after issue six, and Kirby
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did the first five, Steve Diko did the sixth to one,
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and then the Hulk sort of flounders in limbo and
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then reappears and Avengers number one and then that then
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they restarted the Hulk series and Tales to Astonish. But
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my analysis of Vision number one went so long I
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realized I better just focus on Nation one, otherwise this
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is going to be like a whole book if I
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do all five issues. But there's the thing is just
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loaded with hermetic symbolism. And of course, you know, there's
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some controversy among Kaibook fans as to how much stan
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Lee contributed to these stories and how much Kirby contributed
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to them. But I think it's telling that this kind
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of hermetic symbolism that I'm talking about recurs in Kirby's
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work and also in work that Kirby did later on
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By himself, but the symbolism does not appear in works
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attributed to stan Lee apart from Kirby. So I would
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argue that this is one indication that the Kirby is
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the primary creator here in this situation. But particularly the
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first issue of The Hulk is I interpreted as an
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allegory for what happens when that equilibrium, that harmony is
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out of balance. So it's essentially it's a Cold War
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parable about the Western mind eating itself, at war with itself,
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and every time Banner transforms, he's dying and resurrecting like
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the phoenix, like the double headed binary phoenix. I think
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the symbolism is complex and layered, and I demonstrate how
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that symbolism can be found in other works by Kirby.
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In the fifties, he created this comic book called The
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Strange World of Your Dreams, and the concept of the
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comic was that readers would send in their dreams and
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then Kirby would illustrate them. I suspect Kirby was just
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making the stuff up, you know, of off top of
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his head. But the cover of the second issue, which
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is dated October fifty two, so it's about ten years
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before the Incredible Hule number one. On the cover of
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issue too, we see this giant red demon and he's
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overseeing some sort of weird cult ceremony in which a
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beautiful young woman is marrying this man with no face,
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and the demon is very clearly creating with his hands
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a sign that's used in thelemic ritual magic and it's
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associated with Pan or Bacchus, the half goat Greek god
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and his this are resting against his temples and the
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thumbs are sticking out, which is supposed to resemble goat horns.
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So that's one of the higher grade signs symbolizing Knox
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or the night of Pan. So the sign of knocks
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symbolizes the reduction of duality to unity. So the two
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reduced to one, right, which is that's the main theme
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of The Incredible Hulk. So the idea is that the
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Western mind is divided into just like this atomic scientist
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Bruce Banner, and his whole quest is to reduce duality
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to unity, to become to become whole again. And I
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go into and then I show I show illustrations to
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illustrations on one on top of each other of the
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cover of Strange World of Your Dreams number two with
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a photograph of Aleistair Crowley making the same sign. So
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I think that that it demonstrates that Kirby was clearly
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using the photograph either as a reference or he was
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aware of the sign in some way. It's clearly not
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a coincidence, you know, they just the two images just
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looked too similar to one another. So, you know, Kirby
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was his parents were Orthodox Jews, and he even tells
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a story in an interview that he did in the
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early nineties about how when he was sick when he
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was a child, he had pneumonia or something like that.
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were ten rabbis dancing around his bed and in Yiddish
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they were saying, you know, begone, demon, go away demon.
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And he said, you know, when you grow up in
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that environment, the stuff, you take this stuff seriously, right, So,
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in other words, the supernatural is not something that he
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was just thinking of as in terms of story material
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or just plots for a for a pulp fiction story.
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to him, and he was the eldest son. So I suspect,
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you know, growing up in an Orthodox Jewish family, he
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would probably have some familiarity with the kabbala. Uh and
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so I suspect that that this is where we see
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some of the coblistic symbolism that comes into his work,
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particularly in The New Gods. It's just loaded with a
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lot of cabalistic symbolism. And uh, so I think some
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of this stuff is coming out consciously. And then Kirby
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was just one of these guys whose brain was plugged
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into the collective unconscious, so some of it might be
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unconscious as well.
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That's actually what I wanted to delve a little deeper
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here with you today is where this these messages in
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this symbolism really comes from. There's some in our conspiracy
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culture that believe there's some sort of secret society pyramid
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structure that is giving the CIA directives to work with
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Hollywood to put this symbol here, in this symbol here
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for this purpose. I think it's something more of an
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organic consciousness flow and some sort of etheric force that
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guides each of us individually, but it also has a
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collective effect, and it's also connecting with individual imagination and creativity.
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What do you think is going on with this?
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I think that if you mentioned the word source, oddly
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mess There's a concept in the Kirby's Fourth World series
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called the Source, which is this like higher power that
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the characters can can plug into the Source, and you
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can see how that morphs into the Force in Star
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Wars later on. There's a lot of elements of the
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New Guy that's borrowed by George Lucas and put into
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the Star Wars series. But I do think that that Kirby, yes,
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Kirby's imagination. He James Joyce once described himself as an emmanuensis,
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and emmanuensis is one who takes dictation, you know, a secretary.
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Wake or Ulysses, he wasn't writing it, he was taking dictation.
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He was an emmanuensis, and I think that Kirby was
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very similar. He would, by all accounts, create his comic
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books late at night when everyone else was asleep, so
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he would have worked all throughout the night, And people
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who saw him draw said that he never did preliminary sketches,
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which is amazing. If you know any professional artists, they
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usually do very extensive preliminary sketches. Before they go on
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to do the actual artwork. Kirby would just put his
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pencil on the upper left hand corner and start drawing
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and it would just form, you know, magically, out of
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his pen uh I. And he also produced an incredible
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amount of work uh in a in short periods of time,
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which I think would force you to not think about
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what you're doing. Uh. It's almost like the Surrealist the
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exquisite corpse, or the Surrealist experiments of just automatic writing. Uh.
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If you're not thinking about it, you're going to be
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even more plugged into that source, that that kind of
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free floating well of archetypal symbols. And I think Kirby
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had the ability to do that. And there are other
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you know, Steve Ditko who also worked at Marvel. Steve
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Dicko did Doctor Strange. He created Doctor Strange, uh, and
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Doctor Strange is filled with all this kind of strange, mystical,
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almost psychedelic imagery. And at the time when Doctor Strange
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was first coming out in the early sixties, a lot
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of these guys would later become underground cartoonists. Doctor Strange
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was like the one comic that the underground cartoonists were
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into as well, you know, and they all thought that
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Steve Dicko was some kind of acid head. Right. So
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then later on Steve Dicko, after he leaves Marvel, he
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does these series of uh, independent comics like Mister A
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The Avenging World, where we see that Steve Dicko was
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a hard line Iron Rand follower, an objectivist he was.
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He was very far right in his political leanings. Uh.
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And so that was that was like a surprise or
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a shock to a lot of these underground cartoonists, like
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wait a minute, the guy who did Doctor Strange is
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like super into Iron Ran. But again, Dicko, I think
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like Kirby, like HP Lovecraft. He's one of these guys
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whose brain is just plugged into the unconscious. Now I happened.
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I've been in contact with Robin Snyder. Robin Snyder published
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a lot of Dicko's later works in the in the
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final decades of his life because he kind of turned
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his back on mainstream timebook publishing or they turned his
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their back on him. Either way, I suppose a little both. Uh.
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But I once email Robin Snyder and I said, could
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you ask Steve Dicko was Steve Dicko familiar with Manley P. Hall,
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because I always thought that Manley if you see photographs
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of Manley P. Hall, you know, the founder of the
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Philosophical Research Society wrote The Secret Teachings of Mankind and
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Secret Destiny of America and all those books. I always
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thought that Manley P. Hall looked like Doctor Strange in
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those in those early like photographs. I said to Robin Snyder,
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can you email Steve Dicko and ask him did he
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base Doctor Strange on Manley P. Hall. And as everyone
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knows Steve Dicko or anyone in who's in the Comme
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books knows that Steve Dicko was like the JD. Salinger
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of the come book world, like, he didn't really interact
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with a lot of people. He didn't gt of interviews,
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he didn't want photographs take. And so Robin Snider sent
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Steve Dicko the email, and then Robin Snyder contacted me
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a couple of days later, and Robin Snyder said, I
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asked Steve Dicko the question. He said, no, that was
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that was That was the entire response. No. Uh, I think, well, a,
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you know, even if he did, I don't. I don't
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know if dickco would admit that he based it on
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Manley P. Hall. But but uh uh, but also I
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think DICKO, you know, he was just this guy who's
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whose brain was plugged into uh these archetypal images. So
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even though he was like a super rationalist, he was
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still allowing the symbolism to just like flow through his
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his his brain. And HP Lovecraft is very similar. Like
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Lovecraft was a rationalist, he was a skeptic. He didn't
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believe in the supernatural or mysticism. He laughed about those
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kinds of things, which is ironic because later on people
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like Kenneth Grant write whole books to talking about how
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lovecraft entities were real and they worshiped them and so
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so Lovecraft, this hard edge rationalist, writes all these heavy
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mystical laden stories that have actual, genuine esoteric symbolism embedded
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in them. Uh. And and of course that was one
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of his contributions to fantastical literature, is that he was
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bringing the whore, the gothic horror story into a new
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age of hyperdimensional physics and quantum physics and stories like
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Dreams in the Witch House, And he was merging war
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and science fiction and and at the amounts of madness
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and the color out of space in a way that
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no one had ever done before. And and so I
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think with Lovecraft and with Dicko, probably it's somebody who's
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interested in these things. But and so he's done the
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research into it. Uh Uh. And so you that's that
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explained some of the symbolism there, but also his his
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unconsciousness plugged into these into these things as well. I
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you know, Ray Bradbury said that when he first started
475
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writing his stories in Venice, California, in a garage back
476
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in the forties, he wrote on a little piece of paper,
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don't think and taped it to his typewriter.
478
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Uh.
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And that was his advice to himself, he said. Later
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on he wrote a book called Zen and arda Writing,
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and in there he said, I didn't know anything about
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zen Buddhism, uh, but he had he had somehow stumbled
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over a main tenant of zen Buddhism. Don't think, you know,
484
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don't think about it. Uh. And that's that was his
485
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main advice to two writers, Charles Mkowski who the poet
486
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Charles Pakowski, novelist and poet who's who's buried out here
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in San Pedro. Uh he on his I visited his
488
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grave and on his tombstone on there's just a picture
489
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of a boxer, and then underneath it it says, don't try.
490
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That's it. And I don't think don't try. Those are
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basically the same thing. And I think that that's a
492
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lot of these guys, even though they may have been rational,
493
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you know, non mystical people like Lovecraft and Dico, nonetheless
494
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they're still able to plug into the symbolism just through
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their unconscious I.
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Want to go back to what you were saying earlier
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about how our modern entertainment and cinema has kind of
498
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shifted to these gnostic themes, and it fits the understanding
499
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that we're slowly coming to that our reality is much
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different than we used to perceive it, and it's being
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compared to our technological understandings of computer systems, and people
502
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:01.720
are throwing around terms like simulated re reality and comparing
503
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our reality to films like The Matrix. So it's very
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interesting what's been happening, especially as it pertains to what
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00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:15.839
we're seeing with conspiracy culture now and the changes in
506
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people's perception about everything, government, paranormal, high strangeness, everything is
507
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:27.759
rapidly shifting and evolving in a very interesting way, and
508
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:29.200
I want to get your thoughts on all that.
509
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You know, it's interesting when I first saw The Matrix
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when it came out in nineteen ninety nine, I wrote
511
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a whole article about it in a Paranoia magazine, and
512
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:49.119
I immediately could tell that this was heavily influenced by
513
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:54.839
the novels of fil Kate Dick. I've always had a
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working theory that cinema is usually about like thirty years
515
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behind literature. So, for example, in nineteen seventy seven, you
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get Star Wars, which is what literary science fiction was
517
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like in the forties, you know, like Edmund Hamilton kind
518
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:24.480
of planet destroying space opera. You know, so film catches
519
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:26.599
up to like where science fiction was in the forties,
520
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:29.760
in the seventies. Then you go forward to like nineteen
521
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ninety nine, and the Matrix kind of catches up to
522
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:36.159
where Phil Dick was back in the sixties. Right. So
523
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.519
Phil Dick was writing books like The Three Stigmata, Palmer
524
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:43.280
Eldridge and You Big and I in the Sky, and
525
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:47.519
Phil Dick was heavily influenced by by Gnoscissism, And so
526
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:50.840
finally in the late nineties, you see cinema catching up
527
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:54.280
with where science fiction was in the in the sixties.
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And you know, Marsha McCloughan, who wrote Understanding Media said,
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past times are past times, past times or past times,
530
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So what what what passes as entertainment? The content of
531
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.920
that is usually a nostalgic, reer view, mirror version of
532
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:16.320
whatever is going on now. So, for example, in the seventies,
533
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:18.800
one of the most popular TV shows was Happy Days,
534
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:21.239
which was about the fifties, you know, and then you
535
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:23.800
and then you go back and forward. In the nineties,
536
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:26.840
one of the most popular TV shows was that seventies show,
537
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:31.239
which was about twenty years earlier, you know. And I
538
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:35.719
remember that there was a spin off from that seventies
539
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.519
show that was about that was about the nineties, and
540
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:41.639
I immediately knew that would fail because it was too soon,
541
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:46.039
and in fact it did it like, was off the
542
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:51.440
air in a few episodes. Yeah. Uh so, So, that
543
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:58.320
whole kind of questioning reality theme and that gnostic symbolism
544
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:01.639
you can find in some siction literature going back to
545
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.840
the early nineteen hundreds. There's a book called a Voyage
546
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:09.199
to Arctorist by David Lindsay, which is absolutely fascinating. It's
547
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:12.360
one of the great great science fiction novels. It's not
548
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.519
well known. When it was first published, it was not
549
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:18.239
very successful on. In fact, David Lindsay said at the
550
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time it was published, like I would say, nineteen oh nine.
551
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:27.199
I think maybe he said, every year one person would
552
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:29.159
discover the book and read it and think it was
553
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:31.679
like the best thing they ever read. I didn't read
554
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:37.599
it until I think around two thousand and I read
555
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:39.079
it and I thought, oh, this is like the best
556
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:41.760
thing I've ever read. And then later on I found
557
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:46.039
this interview with David Lindsay saying this. I later interviewed
558
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:49.800
this Bishop Stephen Heller, who's the bishop of the Gnostic
559
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:54.519
Church in la and despite the fact that he's quite
560
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:59.920
elderly now, he still does lectures at the Gnostic Church
561
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:05.800
and a very brilliant man. I interviewed him in his
562
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home he lives in the shadow of the Hollywood Sign,
563
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:14.599
and I mentioned David Lindsay to him and a voyage
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00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:16.880
to Arctress, and he immediately knew what it was. Oh, yes,
565
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:20.719
you know that that was an early book that used
566
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.599
science fiction as a way of talking about Gnostic themes
567
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:27.599
and science fiction has always been. In fact, He then
568
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:29.679
went on to elaborate on that idea and said that
569
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science fiction has always been a kind of conduit to
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discuss those things because and this is one of my
571
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:42.079
main points that I'm analyzing in Hollywood Haunts the World,
572
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:44.599
and that is when you're dealing with the taboo subject
573
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:49.920
and narcissism was very taboo, particularly since the Dead Sea
574
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:54.280
Scrolls weren't discovered until the sixties, which actually confirmed a
575
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:59.599
lot of the speculations about nascissism which had not been
576
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:06.719
confirmed until that point. So that these taboo subjects you
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have to explore them in metaphorical terms, otherwise it would
578
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.880
just be too dangerous. So in Hollywood Haunts the World,
579
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I talk about how these kinds of themes are, and
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00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.599
of course in Hollowod Haunts the World, I'm focusing entirely
581
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:26.559
on cinema, but I mean you could do a whole
582
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:31.199
analysis of literature as well. But in Hollwood Haunts the World,
583
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:37.440
I talk about this kind of alternative metaphysical thought being
584
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embedded in films like The Phantom Carriage, which came out
585
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:43.519
in nineteen twenty one, and the author it was based
586
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:47.480
on a book, and the author of that book she
587
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:52.800
was a theosophist, and so you're getting this kind of
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theosophical point of view but embedded in a film that
589
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if you were watching it you would think it was
590
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.800
a kind of Christian arwol. But if you dig deeper,
591
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:06.000
you see that there's actually theosophical symbolism embedded in here,
592
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:10.639
and also gnostic symbolism as well. And then I have
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a whole nother chapter where I talk about Darwinian horror films.
594
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:20.719
And you know, you couldn't even teach Darwin in schools
595
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:24.199
in the nineteen twenties and thirties, So I talk about
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00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:27.239
all these horror films like even in the Silent Air,
597
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.199
like Lon Cheney did films like this in the twenties,
598
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:35.519
where it was basically about the relationship, the evolutionary relationship
599
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:37.760
between apes and humans, but it was done in the
600
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:41.840
form of a horror story or a quasi science fiction story.
601
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And so I cover how these stories appear in the
602
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.559
twenties the thirties, and like films like Murders in the
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Room Morgue, the Robert Florey film that stars Belle Lagosi,
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films with Boris Karloff and all the way into the
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forties and the fifties. And then the trend is that
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00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:08.079
with each of these kinds of topics, for example, Darwinian
607
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:12.039
horror films, the trend will will begin to die out
608
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:16.280
when the topic becomes less taboo and and and eventually
609
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:19.679
you will see the topic discussed openly in almost a
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00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:23.840
documentary kind of way. So I trace the fact that
611
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:26.199
you see this kind of Darwinian theme and all these
612
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:30.159
obscured you know, hidden in the form of metaphor in
613
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.840
all these films, all the way up until Inherit the
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00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.679
Wind comes Out, which is about the Scopes Monkey trial,
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00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:39.159
you know, where eventually it was decided yes you can
616
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:43.880
you can teach Darwinism in school. Uh. And and this
617
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:46.679
was dealt with in a kind of like semi documentary
618
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kind of way. You know, it's based on true events.
619
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And then after that you see the Uh, that whole
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00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:56.760
kind of like Darwinian horror film kind of die out
621
00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:58.880
because there's no need for it anymore, there's no need
622
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:02.239
for the metaphor. Uh. There's a whole chapter where I
623
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:06.760
analyze the jfk assassination, but just entirely seen through film.
624
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:13.199
So I take it back before the assassination, uh, in
625
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:17.039
films like The Menarian Candidate, and then and then forward
626
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:21.400
after the assassination, where you see it analyzed through kind
627
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:25.480
of like almost quasi science fiction, or in paranoid thrillers
628
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:29.079
like the Parallact View in the in the seventies, which
629
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:32.119
is a great film starring Warren Beattie, which was based
630
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.280
on a novel written by a guy who had been
631
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:38.360
in the OSS Lauren Singer I believe was the name
632
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:43.360
of the writer. Uh, Parallax View Uh all the way
633
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:47.000
on into into the eighties and then in the nineties,
634
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:50.440
and it's always discussed in a kind of this veiled way, uh,
635
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:55.280
disguised as horror or science fiction or or thriller espionage thrillers.
636
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:58.280
And then and then eventually you get Oliver Stone's JFK,
637
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.719
which just deals with the topic nakedly, you know, as
638
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.760
as almost like a documentary the courtroom drama. Uh. And
639
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:09.880
then and then you don't see any more horror science
640
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:12.480
fic and films dealing with the JFK fascination that way,
641
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.920
because there's no need to disguise it anymore, right uh
642
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:20.559
Uh and uh, there's there's a whole chapter about UFOs. Uh.
643
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:25.920
And I do kind of a deep dive into into
644
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:29.239
The Man from Planet X, which was the very first
645
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.800
feature film to deal with the whole theme of alien invasion,
646
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:41.559
and uh it proceeds Howard Hawk's the thing by about
647
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:42.159
one week.
648
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:42.960
Uh.
649
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:45.880
But nonetheless it was the the topic had been dealt
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with in terms of like serials, you know, like republic serials.
651
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:52.960
But this was the first feature film to deal with
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00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:57.000
an invasion from outer space. Uh. And it was it
653
00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:01.599
was written by a guy named Jack Pollock's And I
654
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:08.159
actually interviewed or was in communication with a fellow who
655
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:12.280
was Jack Philockson's caregiver in the last few years of
656
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.920
his life. And I thought it was fascinating that he
657
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:18.760
just like what I was saying about Dico and Lovecraft.
658
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:23.840
Jack Phloxon had no belief in aliens or extraterrestrials or
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00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:27.880
UFOs at all. He told me that he just realized
660
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that this was a topic that was in the news,
661
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:32.519
you know. And if you go back and look at
662
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:35.199
the headlines at that time period in the late forties
663
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.280
early fifties, almost every single day there's a UFO story
664
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.320
on the front page of the La Times, New York Times,
665
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:47.599
whatever it is. It was just in the news every day,
666
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:51.639
and Jack Phloxon said that he just decided that this
667
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:56.519
was a good topic to that would make money. And
668
00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:01.639
so I analyzed in the article about Man from Planet X,
669
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:05.079
I analyze how a lot of the themes that we
670
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:09.800
associate with UFOs and uphology can be found in this
671
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:14.119
in this film. And so I'm I'm asking the question, like,
672
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:18.159
is that is that Jack Philoxen just like plugged into
673
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.960
the unconscious? Was he was he getting information but didn't
674
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:26.280
know he was getting information? Because sometimes that happens where
675
00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:30.800
a production can be influenced from behind the scenes, where
676
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:34.639
the producers don't know they're being influenced. And in fact,
677
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:39.760
as proof of that, there's an excellent book that came
678
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:43.599
out recently by J. Michael Strazinsky, who created the show
679
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:47.719
Babylon Five and he's written time books and film and
680
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:52.000
and Strazinsky wrote a memoir called Becoming Superman. It's it's
681
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:55.239
one of the most harrowing memoirs I've ever read by
682
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:59.360
a writer. Aside from you know, the Diary of Anne Frank.
683
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.960
This is the most harrowing memoir I read by a writer.
684
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:07.400
Straczynski had a very difficult childhood, and so he talks
685
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:11.760
in there. It's a fascinating book. I really I recommend it,
686
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:16.880
particularly if you're a struggling writer. It will give you inspiration.
687
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:22.320
But he talks about early on when he was creating
688
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:28.360
Babylon five and how he felt that the producers of
689
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:32.239
Deep Space nine stole a lot of the concepts of
690
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:36.239
Babylon five because he had originally pitched it to the
691
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.639
same network that did Star Trek, and mysteriously a lot
692
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:42.119
of the elements that were in his pitch for Babylon five,
693
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:46.119
which they rejected, ends up in Deep Space nine. And
694
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:50.920
so there's this one part where he's talking about he says,
695
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:54.840
I don't really blame the creators of Deep Space nine.
696
00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:59.360
He says, I know, having been in the you know,
697
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:03.079
having been through all this, I know how a show
698
00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:06.400
is created. He said, I know that there are ways
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00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:10.159
for the creatives, the creative team, to be influenced and
700
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:12.719
the producers to be influenced by the people above them
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00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.239
without knowing that they're being influenced. In other words, the
702
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:18.880
producer says to the head writer, listen, these are the
703
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:20.719
elements that we want in there, you put them in
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there and then they figure out how to do that.
705
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:27.519
They may not necessarily know that they're being given information that,
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you know, ideas that were stolen from someone else, or
707
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ideas that come from elsewhere, So you could you could
708
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:38.000
have and I go into great detail about this, and
709
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:41.199
there have been books about this. How there have been
710
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:44.920
Hollywood films that have been used as propaganda by the
711
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:49.159
US military or by the Central Intelligence Agency. There's a
712
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:51.880
whole book call Operation in Hollywood that goes into it
713
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:56.280
and documents, you know, specific cases, particularly in regards to
714
00:46:56.840 --> 00:47:00.960
films that are about the military, where up until recently,
715
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:06.719
before you had CGI, you were really dependent on the
716
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:10.800
military giving you the equipment in order to make these films.
717
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.679
So a film that was critical of the military you
718
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:18.679
had to leave the country and use, for example, platoon.
719
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:23.360
Oliver Stone's platoon was never going to be approved by
720
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:26.639
the United States military, so he had to get the
721
00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:32.199
equipment I think in Canada. And so there is a
722
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:36.079
lot of these films where in exchange for our equipment,
723
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:39.519
you have to make these changes in the script. And
724
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.719
so the author of this particular book, Operation in Hollywood
725
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:47.239
goes through like many examples of this, and also not
726
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:51.119
just that, but but projects that were specifically initiated by
727
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:57.559
for example, the animated film adaptation of George Orrell's Animal Farm,
728
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:02.599
which was made in the fifties or sixties, I think
729
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:06.320
it was the fifties that was specifically funded by the
730
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:15.559
CIA as a anti communist you know, the push and so,
731
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.199
so you have all these things going on at the
732
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:23.559
same time. So I in the Man from Planet X article,
733
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:27.840
I talked about the fact that Phil Corso, Colonel Phil
734
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:32.119
Corso wrote the book the day after Roswell with William Burns,
735
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:35.480
and in there he actually says that The Man from
736
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.280
Planet X was one of the productions that they influenced
737
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:44.159
from behind the scenes. And so, yeah, at first it
738
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.519
may sound like and so I was curious about that
739
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:55.280
that claim because even if let's say that that's true,
740
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:59.280
let's say that Corso Corso's team actually did influence these
741
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:03.920
science to cons in the fifties to sort of put
742
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:09.880
he claims to put information embed them, embed this accurate
743
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:14.960
euphological information in science fiction films, so that you're disclosing
744
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.199
the information but covering it up at the same time.
745
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:20.119
So on one hand, you're getting people prepared for this
746
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:23.880
eventual truth. And on the other hand, also if someone
747
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.679
sees something and they report it, your instant reaction is, ah,
748
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:31.079
you just saw that on the X Files or you
749
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:34.239
just saw that on the Outer Limits. So it successfully
750
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:36.920
discloses the information and also covers it up at the
751
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:42.159
same time. Now, it could be that Phil Corso's team
752
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:46.639
actually was responsible for influencing some of these productions. It's
753
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:48.599
so that doesn't necessarily mean that there was actually a
754
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:52.239
roswell crash. There could be other reasons for influencing these
755
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:57.280
productions other than the actual existence of an extraterrestrial spacecraft
756
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:01.199
landing in New Mexico. Right, There's there's other reasons why
757
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:05.840
one might influence these productions. But the idea that, uh,
758
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:09.400
the fact that Jack Philoxen is on record is saying
759
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:12.559
that he's a skeptic and does not believe in UFOs
760
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:15.079
sounds like, well, that kind of that sounds like maybe
761
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:19.599
that contradicts Corso's claim that he that his team influences
762
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:25.360
the film. But when you juxtapose that with Strzynski's comment
763
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:30.239
about how productions can be influenced in ways where the
764
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:35.119
creatives involved don't realize that it's being influenced H then
765
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:37.960
you realize, well, maybe it's not necessarily a contradiction. You know,
766
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:42.360
if you get if you get if a production gets
767
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.880
money from a source, you're not going to question where
768
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.559
the money is coming from. So the production could be
769
00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:54.079
influenced by uh, by these other entities, and you don't
770
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:57.760
even realize the role that you're playing in this propaganda scheme.
771
00:50:57.960 --> 00:50:59.880
You know, there's a lot of anti communist films that
772
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:08.079
were that were inspired or funded, you know, actively funded
773
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:11.880
by the CIA in the fifties as part of their
774
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:15.880
anti e communists propaganda, but the people who are involved
775
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:18.800
in the production may not even have known that. And
776
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:23.440
I kind of analyzed all this in fictional terms in
777
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:26.559
a book i wrote called Spies and Saucers, which was
778
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:29.519
my second book. It's a collection of three novellas that
779
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:32.840
all take place in the nineteen fifties, and the first
780
00:51:32.920 --> 00:51:36.280
novella takes place in fifty nine, the second one in
781
00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:39.920
fifty five, and the third one and fifty two. And
782
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:42.679
the first story is called The Fallen Nune, and it's
783
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:45.000
all about this nun that falls out of the sky
784
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:47.840
and lands in this guy's marijuana garden up in Malibu,
785
00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:50.639
so he's like looking at this dead nun lying in
786
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:52.880
his marijuana garden, and he's wondering if he should call
787
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:55.159
the cops because if he does, he's going to have
788
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.280
to show him the dead nun and also the marijuana gardens.
789
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:00.280
So he doesn't know what to do. And then these
790
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:02.719
these government agents show up at at his door, and
791
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:05.280
then it spirals off from there into smoking the dead
792
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:08.639
skin of a dead reptilian alien, which triggers time travel.
793
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:14.079
It's quite amazing. But anyway, in the third story, it's
794
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:17.039
called Spies and Saucers, and that story is all about
795
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:21.320
this guy who's a screenwriter who's been blacklisted because, like
796
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:24.400
he attended one communist meeting once because he was trying
797
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:27.199
to get laid and he's not really a communist and
798
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:29.679
he doesn't care about any of that, but he ended
799
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.039
up on a list and so now he can't get
800
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:34.920
any work in Hollywood. And he used to write these
801
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.599
science fiction horror, you know, b films. He can't even
802
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.320
get those jobs anymore. He's he's about to get kicked
803
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.400
out of his apartment and he gets approached by this
804
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:47.000
government type guy who says, hey, listen, I've got to
805
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:49.159
you know, we've seen some of the films you've written,
806
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:53.280
and I work for an agency and we need a
807
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:57.840
writer with your kind of a mind. If you agree
808
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:02.719
to work on this project, can't talk about it. Once
809
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:06.760
you agree that you're in, you can't leave it. You
810
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:09.159
can say no now and walk away from it, and
811
00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:13.840
then we'll just end it right there. But you know,
812
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:15.840
he tells them how much he's going to get paid,
813
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:19.320
and so he's like, well, fuck, I'm at the end
814
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.039
of my rope anyway. So he decides to take the offer,
815
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:28.320
and he's asked by these government types to write a screenplay,
816
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:30.880
and they give him ideas that they want in the
817
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:34.079
screenplay and he has to kind of like elaborate on
818
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:36.719
them so that they kind of like make sense in
819
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:40.800
a narrative form. And then later on he's reading the
820
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:43.920
newspaper and he sees elements of the story that he's
821
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:50.119
been writing popping up in newspaper articles about alien contacts,
822
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:52.679
and he realizes that all the ideas he's been coming
823
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:56.480
up with are being used by these government types and
824
00:53:56.639 --> 00:54:01.440
like fake alien contact stories. But he can't tell anyone
825
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:06.840
about it. And I based all that the reason I
826
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:09.280
wrote it is a story it's like sometimes you suspect
827
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:12.039
something happened, but you can't prove it. So like that's
828
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:16.079
the time, the time honor tradition of writing fiction, you know.
829
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:21.280
So I based it on I was reading the autobiography
830
00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:28.119
of Kurtatomac. Kurt Siadmac was a screenwriter who wrote the
831
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:32.320
original you Know the Wolfman for nineteen forty one and
832
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:35.480
Frankenstein Meets the Wolfman. And he wrote Earth Versus the
833
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:40.039
Flying Saucers and Creature with the Adam Brain and all
834
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:43.400
these horror science fiction movies. And he also wrote Donovan's Brain,
835
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:47.400
which was the best selling science fiction novel in the forties,
836
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:52.719
the early forties. And Donvand's Brain is all about mind
837
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:58.519
control and action at a distance, as it's called by
838
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:03.360
the military. Uh, being able to kill someone remotely. Yeah,
839
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:10.400
and and so Donovan's Brain. Kurtseiadamac claimed in his memoir
840
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:13.840
which is called wolf Man's Maker he which came out
841
00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:17.599
the year of his death, which I think was two thousand. Uh.
842
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:20.280
Si Adamac said that he was approached by the OSS
843
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:23.760
and the OS. This guy at the OSS said, oh, yeah,
844
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:26.599
we read your book, Donovand's Brain, and we thought that
845
00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:29.000
the book was about W. H. Donovan, who was the
846
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:31.639
head of the OSS. So we thought you were writing
847
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:35.840
about him. Uh and uh. And it was just a coincidence,
848
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.079
but that's what drew their attention to the book. Then
849
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:39.760
they read it and they realized it was all about
850
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:43.000
mind control, and they said, look, we can give you
851
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:46.599
a job, and so he kurtse Aiamac claims that he
852
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:48.800
then went to work for the OSS, but he doesn't
853
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:53.000
say what he did for them. And then when I
854
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:55.320
read that, it was kind of mind blowing because I
855
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:58.840
had already before I read his memoir, I had seen
856
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:01.960
a film that he wrote call Writers to the Stars,
857
00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:06.480
which which was directed by Richard Carlson, who was in
858
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:09.119
a lot of science fiction movies like it Came from
859
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:12.000
Outer Space and Creature from the Black Lagoon. Richard Carlson
860
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:15.440
directs it and stars in it. Uh and uh. I
861
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:17.719
think Writers to the Stars actually is one of the
862
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:22.519
inspirations for Fantastic Four Number one by Jack Kirby. I
863
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:25.599
suspect Jack Kirby saw this film and certain elements of
864
00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:28.360
it end up in the Fantastic Four. The origin of
865
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:31.159
the Fantastic Four. So it's all about like the first
866
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:33.599
four men who are going to go into outer space
867
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.920
and U and it's all about how they're recruited into
868
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:41.880
this secret space program. Uh. And when I was watching it,
869
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:44.639
I thought, Oh, it's weird how a lot of the
870
00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:48.280
way the way they show that, the way the guys
871
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:51.119
approached and then and then the way that they bring
872
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:54.480
him to the base out in the desert. Thought, it's
873
00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:56.599
just so similar to other stories that we've heard from
874
00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:59.559
like Bob Bazar and but but this film was made
875
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.400
in the fifth and I thought, I thought, did Kurt
876
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:04.960
siat Mak know someone who went through this process? Is
877
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:07.119
this where this is coming from. It didn't occur to
878
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:09.800
me that he himself had gone through the process, you see.
879
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:11.880
It wasn't until I read the memoir and he said
880
00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:14.440
that I realized, Oh, he's not basing this on like
881
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:18.280
someone he knew or interviewed. This is like semi autobiographical.
882
00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:26.400
So I kind of took that and mixed Kurt Siadmac
883
00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:33.559
with another guy named Paul Liinbarger, who is a brilliant
884
00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:38.000
science fiction writer who hardly anyone knows about. But Paul
885
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:42.159
Liinbarger was the father of psychological warfare. He literally wrote
886
00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:48.360
the book on psychological warfare. It's called psychological warfare written
887
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:54.159
in the forties, and Paul Liinbarger was he had already
888
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:59.719
he had like multiple PhDs as a teenager. And oddly
889
00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:05.400
in that new el Ron Hubbard in college. And there's
890
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:07.400
a theory that Aaron Hubbard based a lot of his
891
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:12.360
the fanciful stories Hubbard would tell about his background was
892
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:18.639
actually borrowed from Paul Winbarger's background. But Paul Einbarger became
893
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:24.320
the father of psychological warfare and also wrote science fiction
894
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:29.559
under the name Cordwainer Smith, and Cordwiner Smith should be
895
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:33.199
at the same level as like Phil K. Dick, you know,
896
00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:36.599
I mean Phil Dick is well respected, not just within
897
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:39.079
science fiction, but you know, he's sort of been embraced
898
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:41.920
by the literary mainstream as well as a serious writer.
899
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:45.079
Cordner Smith should should be at that same level, but
900
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:48.559
hardly anyone knows who he is for some reason. And
901
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:53.719
I suspect that Paul ein Barger used science fiction as
902
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:55.920
a way of writing about the stuff he couldn't write
903
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:59.000
about as Paul Liinbarger, which is why he probably created
904
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:02.440
a whole nother name for his science fiction. He wrote
905
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:05.400
a book called Quest of the Three Worlds. He wrote
906
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:09.840
a classic short story called Scanners Live in Vain, and
907
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:12.519
he also wrote a short story called Golden The Ship
908
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:18.559
was Oh, oh, this story is all about a planet
909
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:22.559
that's going to be attacked. There's there's this, there's this
910
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:30.840
this galactic empire that is just a raping and pillaging
911
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:36.280
planets all across multiple galaxies, and there's this one little planet.
912
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:40.280
And they they are not equipped to deal with the
913
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:44.320
advanced technology of this other planet, and so they come
914
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:50.159
up with an idea of creating a very sophisticated rumor
915
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:54.760
that they have possession of this weapon, this golden ship
916
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:59.000
that's so powerful it can destroy planets. Uh, And they
917
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:02.079
actually fake evidence of this thing, and they actually fake
918
01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:06.559
evidence of the ship having destroyed other other civilizations, and
919
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:13.440
and eventually the this war warlike planet. They they decide
920
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:16.000
to just leave that planet alone. They don't even want
921
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:18.039
to have to deal with it. And it's it's clear
922
01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:20.239
to me that the story is kind of a parable
923
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:25.280
for what Paul Linebarger thought psychological warfare could do. In
924
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:29.159
other words, I think Linebarger actually thought of it as
925
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:36.199
something this was a method, a way of avoiding actual violence.
926
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.119
That that we could use our brains and figure out
927
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:42.000
a way to manipulate people so that we don't have
928
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:45.280
to have wars, and when people don't, young men don't
929
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:48.679
have to die in foreign countries. And I think that
930
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:53.320
Paul Linebarger's intent was a humanitarian one, and you can
931
01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:57.599
see it reflected in the stories. And he actually and
932
01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:01.920
this is this has been document it Cordner Smith, or
933
01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:05.079
I should say Paul Liinbarger would actually have classes in
934
01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:09.119
his home in DC or Virginia, where the hell he lived,
935
01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:16.199
and he would have intelligence agents come to his house
936
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:19.440
and he would teach them about these psychological warfare methods
937
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:25.159
that he had developed. And he told them, listen, if
938
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:30.199
you ever use these techniques in America, that would be
939
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:33.880
bad news. It would it would it would threaten the
940
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:37.320
US Constitution, an American way of life in general. You
941
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:43.639
should only use these methods in foreign countries. And among
942
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:48.400
his students were Howard Hunt, who would later be involved
943
01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:53.719
in the Watergate scandal and some suspect was in Daily
944
01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:57.559
Plaza on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. So among
945
01:01:57.639 --> 01:02:01.239
his students were Howard Hunt and Hunts you know, associates,
946
01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:06.360
And I suspect that they did not listen to paul
947
01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:13.440
Iinbarger's warning about not using these techniques domestically. And there's
948
01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:16.280
an interesting book that was published, I can't remember when
949
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:19.960
it was published, but was written by a psychotherapist and
950
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:23.760
the title of the book is the Jet Powered Couch,
951
01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:26.440
I think is the title of the book. And this
952
01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:33.760
it's this famous psychiatrist who wrote a memoir of the
953
01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:36.119
various cases he had dealt with over the course of
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01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:39.159
his career. And there's one chapter where he talks about
955
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:43.679
a guy who he says was a science fiction writer,
956
01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:48.280
but he also worked in the government in intelligence, and
957
01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:51.960
that this guy, he gives him another name, and the
958
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:55.760
guy came to him and was suffering from anxiety and depression,
959
01:02:56.679 --> 01:03:00.239
and he had created this elaborate fantasy in his head
960
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:05.480
that he was getting transmissions from actual extraterrestrial planets and
961
01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:08.760
that's where the information was coming from that he was
962
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:13.920
putting in his stories. And so the psychiatrist said, instead
963
01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:17.599
of trying to persuade him that this was a ridiculous idea,
964
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:22.039
he decided to encourage it instead, thinking that if he
965
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:24.440
encouraged it, eventually the patient would come out on the
966
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:26.880
other side and realize how absurd it is.
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01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:28.119
So the.
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01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:32.679
Psychiatrist says, okay, well, let you know, let's map out
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01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:35.400
this world, Like what's all this information that you're getting.
970
01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:39.880
And so the patient's like, okay, well, you know, this
971
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:42.199
is the name of the planet, and this is these
972
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:44.480
are the continents, and all the way down to like
973
01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:46.800
what the floor on the fauna is, you know, on
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01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:50.880
the south pole of this ice planet the hell and
975
01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:53.840
they're like mapping it out. It takes them like years
976
01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:57.000
to do this, and eventually and the psychiatrist begins to
977
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:01.599
believe that he actually is getting missions from the sex
978
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:04.760
trustoral world because it's so mind blowing that it's so
979
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:07.760
detailed that he can't even imagine that all this stuff
980
01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:11.639
is coming from from this patient's imagination. So eventually he
981
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:15.519
becomes convinced that they actually are mapping out these actual
982
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:20.159
extraterrestrial civilizations. And eventually, after about six months or a
983
01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:23.000
year or whatever, one day they're in the middle of
984
01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:27.719
like doing their fifth map of whatever, this desert planet somewhere,
985
01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:30.800
and the patient says to him, do we have to
986
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:34.480
do this anymore? And the psychiatrist is like, what are
987
01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:37.280
you talking about? He's like, well, listen, I really appreciate
988
01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:40.480
what you're doing. I realize now that this is all
989
01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:43.920
just coming from my imagination. And I realized that like
990
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:46.440
like three months ago, but you were like so into it.
991
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:50.039
I didn't want to disappoint you. And so the psychiatrist
992
01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:54.280
is like crestfallen. He was really getting into this. He
993
01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:56.719
was like, oh, that's okay, you know. And so the
994
01:04:57.039 --> 01:04:58.920
patient's like, yeah, well thank you, you know you really
995
01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:01.440
you're a good doctor. He like shakes his hand and
996
01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:04.400
then leaves. There are many people who think that that
997
01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:07.320
guy was was Coroner Smith. There's no way to know
998
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:10.159
it for sure, but it sure seems like because if
999
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:12.800
you read Cordner Smith's novels and his stories, they are
1000
01:05:13.159 --> 01:05:17.559
very detailed. They do feel like maybe you're reading about,
1001
01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:22.599
you know, actual extraterrestrial civilizations that existed somewhere in some time.
1002
01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:26.239
If you read Questions of the Three Worlds, his science
1003
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:30.800
fiction novel, there's one section which there's this one paragraph
1004
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:35.559
that's all about this guy who's being mind controlled and
1005
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:39.920
taught how to use a weapon, how to shoot accurately,
1006
01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:44.800
this like weird futuristic rifle or whatever. And if you
1007
01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:48.679
take the first letter of the first word of each
1008
01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:55.360
sentence in the paragraph it spells out Kennedy shot, and
1009
01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:59.679
then the next paragraph it spells out Oswald's shot too,
1010
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:07.000
And it's almost like he's he's signaling to the reader
1011
01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:14.159
that he understands that his psychological warfare methods were used
1012
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:20.519
in this domestic assassination, and there's no way for him
1013
01:06:20.599 --> 01:06:23.679
to acknowledge that publicly, so he just decided to encode
1014
01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:28.199
it in this weird acrostic code in his science fiction
1015
01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:31.280
novel That's a Quest for the Three World.
1016
01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:36.639
Yeah, Robert, this is incredible. We are out of time, unfortunately,
1017
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:40.199
but I love this. It was a fantastic conversation and
1018
01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:42.280
we're definitely going to have to get deeper into this
1019
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:45.079
and I'd love to have you on again soon and
1020
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:49.159
we can discuss your book Cryptopolis and other stories.
1021
01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:52.920
That would be fantastic. I'd love to do it.
1022
01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:56.400
Yeah, man, we'll definitely do that before we close out.
1023
01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:58.800
Just remind the audience one more time where they can
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find all your books and everything else you got, uh.
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Cryptobolos and other stories, Camillo, Dead Monkey, rum My first book, Cryptoscatology.
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They're all on Amazon, so you can get them there
1027
01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:17.800
and also, don't forget to vote for Dead Monkey Rum
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in the twenty second annual Rondo Awards. Go to cryptoscatology
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dot com just search for Dead Monkey Rum. You'll see
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01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:27.639
the post a recent post where I have very simple
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01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:31.079
instructions on how to vote in the Rondo Awards for
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Dead Monkey Rum and buy a copy of Dead Monkey Rum,
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The Cryptozoological Fantasy right on.
1034
01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:41.639
Awesome, Robert, thank you so much. We'll definitely do this again.
1035
01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:45.079
And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll
1036
01:07:45.159 --> 01:07:48.960
talk again tomorrow. We'll see all then. Today, I want
1037
01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:52.079
to welcome back to the show Nate from Realities Ours.
1038
01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:58.119
He is a government abolitionist, truth seeker and Bigfoot enthusiast
1039
01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:03.159
and host of Reality the Oars podcast. Nate, welcome back.
1040
01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:03.840
How you doing?
1041
01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:07.239
You know, I'm doing good. Life is busier than ever.
1042
01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:11.000
We're starting to make a little weird moves here and there.
1043
01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:13.920
I think I think I'm gonna get back together with
1044
01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:15.880
Ben here pretty soon. As soon as the weather starts
1045
01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:17.920
getting a little nicer, we're gonna start doing some more
1046
01:08:19.079 --> 01:08:24.119
paranormal investigating. There is a pretty neat little they call
1047
01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:26.600
it the Giant Store out here in organ and it
1048
01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:31.319
got pretty famous on TikTok. There's this huge stone structure
1049
01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:32.960
in the middle of nowhere and they kind of shut
1050
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:34.680
off the highway so we're gonna have to hike in.
1051
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:39.560
But it looks like a huge stone door and people
1052
01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:41.760
have been trying to like, you know, do like weird
1053
01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:44.079
rituals up there, trying to get it to open or
1054
01:08:44.279 --> 01:08:49.279
like record take the drones out there. So another I think,
1055
01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:51.119
I don't know if you've talked to him or not yet,
1056
01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:55.399
Isaac from Organite No do you know him? Really interesting
1057
01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:58.720
guy making like literally the best organite on the fucking
1058
01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:02.199
market period. He's going to come out there with us
1059
01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:03.840
and we're going to bring like a couple of some
1060
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:06.920
Organite pyramids out there, and we're going to kind of
1061
01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:08.880
do like a ritual out there, try to see if
1062
01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:11.000
we can get that door open, see if we can
1063
01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:16.199
communicate with some psychic maybe physical sasquatch out there. You know,
1064
01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:17.199
that's going to be a lot of fun.
1065
01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:19.119
I love it, man, You're not afraid to get in
1066
01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:22.439
there and actually do the experimentation yourself. That's what I'm
1067
01:09:22.439 --> 01:09:22.840
all about.
1068
01:09:23.880 --> 01:09:26.000
Yeah, man, we're excited. I think that's going to be
1069
01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:29.720
just for some fun. But who knows. Student. I believe
1070
01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:33.800
in interdimensional Bigfoot. I think he's there, so we'll see.
1071
01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:37.920
Right, right, Yeah, man, I think people a lot of
1072
01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:41.479
people don't get out there and interact with this because
1073
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:44.399
of course they're terrified of it, and I can't blame them.
1074
01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:48.680
I've come to a point, with my own interactions with this,
1075
01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:53.079
and my conversations with hundreds and thousands of people daily
1076
01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:56.560
and just this overall knowing and intuition as well as
1077
01:09:56.600 --> 01:10:02.039
psychedelic experiences, that in these realms there's really nothing for
1078
01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:06.359
us to fear but our own fear itself, because it's
1079
01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:09.039
our fear that's the fuel for these things, that's what
1080
01:10:09.319 --> 01:10:12.000
feeds off of them. But we can transmute it if
1081
01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:15.439
we show these things love. And I've experienced this myself,
1082
01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:20.279
even the biggest, baddest, most scariest demonic entity you can
1083
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:24.640
encounter in the astral realms, if you show it fearlessness
1084
01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:28.600
and you beam love at it, it'll either take off
1085
01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:31.119
running in the other direction, or it'll turn into like
1086
01:10:31.479 --> 01:10:34.960
a bunny or a little flower, or it'll transmute. Because
1087
01:10:35.399 --> 01:10:38.159
I've come to an understanding that and this is just
1088
01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:41.319
where I'm at now. It may change tomorrow a lot
1089
01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:43.439
of almost all of this stuff that we deal with
1090
01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:49.079
in these realms, all these intelligences, all these energies, they're
1091
01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:54.600
a part of our innerverse ecosystem. They're all here for
1092
01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:57.760
us in a sense, to learn from and to grow from.
1093
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:00.359
We can't learn and grow if it's all love and
1094
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:04.520
light all the time. So we have these little attachments,
1095
01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:08.880
these parasites, these entities, extraterrestrials, and interventional beings, whatever the
1096
01:11:08.920 --> 01:11:11.439
hell you want to call them, that come and interact
1097
01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:14.279
with us, that are essentially just trying to get us
1098
01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:17.399
on the right path. But some people, instead of just
1099
01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:22.600
bouncing off the polarities, they gravitate towards the darkness, or
1100
01:11:23.119 --> 01:11:26.319
they align with the darkness, and that's not what you're
1101
01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:29.119
supposed to do, and it drags them down into a
1102
01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:34.880
world of darkness and negativity and probably all the degeneracy
1103
01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:38.359
and drug use that we're seeing from people who embrace
1104
01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:40.640
the darkness. Really, but I think it's all here for
1105
01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:44.000
us to learn from, and even the light. You can't
1106
01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:46.479
go all full love and light all the time, because
1107
01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:48.640
I think that's a trap too. You're gonna get stuck
1108
01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:53.479
in these false paradigms because there's always this polarity, always
1109
01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:56.199
this balance, and that's where I'm at with all the
1110
01:11:56.279 --> 01:11:59.680
weird stuff right now. Let's see where you're at, bro,
1111
01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:02.760
But uh, what have you been looking into? I know
1112
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:06.079
there's a lot of high strangeness unfolding even in our
1113
01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:08.920
mainstream media. Where are you at with everything?
1114
01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:13.239
Dude? It's a fascinating thing because like, well, I just
1115
01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:15.560
want to touch off what you were talking about a
1116
01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:18.359
second ago is because it's to me, it's fascinating about
1117
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:21.960
how we are the universe and we are our own universe, right,
1118
01:12:22.039 --> 01:12:24.479
and so there's all this exploration for us to do
1119
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:28.720
all the shadow work, and in that time you encounter
1120
01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:32.920
sometimes these beings, these extra dimensional, interdimensional sort of beans,
1121
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:36.680
but it really could just be beings inside of yourself.
1122
01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:39.079
Like you said, they're just like aspects of your own
1123
01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:42.279
personality and so and sometimes like and I'm not even
1124
01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:45.199
saying that that's not true or that they're not actually
1125
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:48.800
something real, but they are something part of you in
1126
01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:51.720
a fascinating way. And so it's like it can be
1127
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:54.600
a self fulfilling prophecy kind of or a self fulfilling
1128
01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:57.880
kind of thing where you if you are feeling that negativity,
1129
01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:01.439
and then you keep encountering these negative things and you
1130
01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:03.800
can find these beings that are going to meet you there.
1131
01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:06.720
And one thing that I thought was fascinating, because you
1132
01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:09.920
know I always talk about well, I talked a lot
1133
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:11.880
about like the astral realm and different things like that,
1134
01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:16.640
and it is fascinating to think that when you are
1135
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:19.560
astral traveling, when you think, you know, when you're leaving
1136
01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:23.800
your body, are you just what are those beings? Man?
1137
01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:27.199
Those shadow beans that you run into. And one gentleman
1138
01:13:27.279 --> 01:13:28.800
that I had on the show that talked about it,
1139
01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:32.159
and he's, like, what you said is encountering them and
1140
01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:34.359
like and showing them love and you can turn them
1141
01:13:34.359 --> 01:13:36.920
into a bunny rabbit or something. That's that's really cool.
1142
01:13:37.840 --> 01:13:41.520
When he said that sometimes he would find these beans
1143
01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:45.279
that were like that were at like a lower vibrational
1144
01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:51.680
whatever it is, that seemed to have malice malice intent,
1145
01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:54.119
and we're trying to kind of attack him and or
1146
01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:56.399
feed off of him. What he would do is he
1147
01:13:56.439 --> 01:13:59.279
would just he would focus on love and light and
1148
01:13:59.359 --> 01:14:02.039
things like that. And what it would do is said
1149
01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:05.479
he couldn't like physically interact with them or fight them really,
1150
01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:08.880
but they could touch him, and so he would he
1151
01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:13.399
would like try to vibrate at a higher frequency and
1152
01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:16.039
it would just move him a step above and then
1153
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:19.000
they're still stuck down here and they can't touch him anymore.
1154
01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:22.079
I thought that was kind of interesting too. But I
1155
01:14:22.359 --> 01:14:26.079
like I I think I like what you're doing there
1156
01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:29.199
because I'm kind of a hands on guy. I'm gonna
1157
01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:31.159
try to turn that dude into a bunny rabbit. I'm
1158
01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:35.640
not I'm not running I'm not running away. If you
1159
01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:38.279
come at him with no fear, like you said, and
1160
01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:41.199
you just stand there and you stand your ground, I
1161
01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:45.560
think that's super neat, man. But as far as interdimensionality,
1162
01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:50.680
ghost what, it's such a bizarre interesting thing, man. I
1163
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:55.479
do sometimes wonder if there is something outside of ourselves,
1164
01:14:55.560 --> 01:14:59.039
like when we do die, When when that when that
1165
01:14:59.319 --> 01:15:03.159
d mt your brain and you're on your last leg
1166
01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:06.039
and you breathe out your last breath, are you going
1167
01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:06.720
somewhere else?
1168
01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:07.079
You know?
1169
01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:09.520
You know, we've had a lot of Gnostic folks on
1170
01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:12.640
and we had a lot of Gnostic conversations, and their
1171
01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:17.159
whole idea is that we will get retrapped, that this
1172
01:15:17.359 --> 01:15:20.239
is a soul trap and we're just gonna get thrown
1173
01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:22.520
right back into the matrix, and that this matrix is
1174
01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:26.600
a false paradigm, and that we are just being used
1175
01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:30.840
as essentially batteries, like soul batteries keep the whole system going.
1176
01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:35.079
And that's kind of a terrifying, interesting, but also kind
1177
01:15:35.119 --> 01:15:38.000
of nice thought. Like the gnostics think it's a bad thing,
1178
01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:40.079
and I'm like, you know what, I kind of like
1179
01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:42.479
this video game. I'll get back on right.
1180
01:15:43.239 --> 01:15:45.600
There's different ways you can look at it. Man, let's
1181
01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:49.880
explore that. To me, that's a really highly negative outlook
1182
01:15:50.119 --> 01:15:53.319
on the possibility of what we're in. I tend to
1183
01:15:53.399 --> 01:15:55.960
think that we're in our own paradise that we build
1184
01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:59.399
for ourselves, and everything we interact is meant for us
1185
01:15:59.479 --> 01:16:03.079
to learn and grow from. But just say, for an instance,
1186
01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:08.000
that we are in an Arkan looche form. That's that's
1187
01:16:08.039 --> 01:16:10.880
what this is for. And even the best of times,
1188
01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:14.439
even the most love we feel, even the most incredible
1189
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:17.880
experiences we have, are just for false hope, are just
1190
01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:21.680
to get us to build up that energy so that
1191
01:16:22.640 --> 01:16:26.399
eventually something horrible will happen, and these these entities will
1192
01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:31.399
just feed off of the negativity and horrible energy. That
1193
01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:34.439
comes off of us because they put us through this
1194
01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:38.720
roller coaster ride of emotions, and that's what it's all about.
1195
01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:42.720
We're just like cattle to them. They're just feeding off
1196
01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:45.960
of us perpetually, and they have the white light trap.
1197
01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:49.079
After we die, we're just gonna be shot right back
1198
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:52.880
down to do it all over again. To me, I
1199
01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:57.319
don't see how, if this is a realization that we
1200
01:16:57.399 --> 01:17:01.399
could ever come to collectively, why we would want to
1201
01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:05.000
even keep going like this. It seems like if this
1202
01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:08.880
is a realization that collectively we came to, that we
1203
01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:13.560
would as a species fight against it and try to
1204
01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:16.680
find our way out, because that, to me, is not
1205
01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:24.479
an acceptable reality. It's not acceptable to my inner consciousness,
1206
01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:28.239
to my inner light, to the knowing that I have
1207
01:17:28.479 --> 01:17:32.199
that I am an eternal being of God, of Source,
1208
01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:37.560
and that what keeps me going is the good in life,
1209
01:17:37.960 --> 01:17:41.920
is my good experiences, the knowing that I make my
1210
01:17:42.039 --> 01:17:44.920
life better and make other people's lives better and share
1211
01:17:45.039 --> 01:17:48.760
love that keeps me going. And if that is a
1212
01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:52.479
false hope, like a little dangling bait, that they're going
1213
01:17:52.560 --> 01:17:55.000
to reel our consciousness in with it, I don't want
1214
01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:57.319
a part of that. I'm gonna fight against that with
1215
01:17:57.479 --> 01:18:00.680
all my might. But because I'm not right there anymore.
1216
01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:04.159
I was at one time. I considered this heavily for
1217
01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:06.600
a while, but I was also depressed in my life,
1218
01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:09.479
and I was also going through some bad times. And
1219
01:18:09.640 --> 01:18:13.159
I find this coincide with where we're at in our lives.
1220
01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:16.960
How we have this outlook on reality, and especially for
1221
01:18:17.119 --> 01:18:21.079
me and where I'm at now, is that everything we
1222
01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:25.880
experience is for us, and we are the owners of
1223
01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:30.680
our own loose form. This is our thing, and we're
1224
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:32.600
ultimately in control of it.
1225
01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:32.880
All.
1226
01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:38.560
I'm saying there is intelligences outside of that which it's possible,
1227
01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:40.520
but for me, I don't resonate with that. I think
1228
01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:42.920
it's all part of us. I don't think there's anything
1229
01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:48.720
in this universe, galaxy, innerverse that is not connected to us,
1230
01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:51.840
not part of us, and I just have the ultimate
1231
01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:55.720
intuitive belief that it's all us. I don't know, what,
1232
01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:57.600
do you think I did? That?
1233
01:18:57.800 --> 01:19:00.560
Super fascinating. I want to go back to the thing
1234
01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:03.720
really quick, though, because I think the best we had
1235
01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:07.520
Miguel connoran and Hegel. Yeah, Miguel's great. He made the
1236
01:19:07.600 --> 01:19:12.359
best argument for it. So we'll play Gnostic advocate. He
1237
01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:17.159
real fast, yeah, that our own, our own reality is
1238
01:19:17.359 --> 01:19:20.279
a reflection of you know, as above so below. And
1239
01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:23.520
it's like and he's saying that it's so much like
1240
01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:26.600
government and the way that government uses us, and they're
1241
01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:29.720
the Arkons like because as he was describing nacissism, I
1242
01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:31.079
was like, describe it to me like I'm a five
1243
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:33.479
year old, right, and he like broke it down their
1244
01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:36.239
whole belief system, and I was like, that sounds exactly
1245
01:19:36.399 --> 01:19:38.840
like the way government and the way that they use us,
1246
01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:41.840
the way that they use us for our money, for
1247
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:44.359
our you know, this, that the other. And he was like, well,
1248
01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:47.399
that's how the Gnostics realized that. They were like it
1249
01:19:47.560 --> 01:19:50.359
was a reflection of you know, as above so below.
1250
01:19:50.880 --> 01:19:53.520
And dude, to me, if you put it in that way,
1251
01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:57.520
it makes it's so much dimsense the way that we
1252
01:19:57.640 --> 01:20:00.560
were just being we're basically tax cattle. We're be used
1253
01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:03.800
and abused by this like this higher ARCon. And then
1254
01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:07.199
he even broke down the what the name ARCon meant,
1255
01:20:07.239 --> 01:20:12.039
and so anarchy is is against the ARCon. Dude, dude,
1256
01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:15.640
it just blew my fucking mind. It's like, dude, you're
1257
01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:18.279
absolutely right, and so like for five minutes, that was
1258
01:20:18.279 --> 01:20:25.279
a gnostic. Right, He's brilliant, dude, And he was like
1259
01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:29.840
and actually anostisism brought him to anarchy and he considers
1260
01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:32.840
himself an anarchist at this point. And I'm like, done, man,
1261
01:20:32.960 --> 01:20:34.439
that's so fascinating.
1262
01:20:34.840 --> 01:20:38.000
Well, let's explore the chicken or egg aspect or this.
1263
01:20:38.239 --> 01:20:41.239
Did these intelligences come first or were we first? And
1264
01:20:41.319 --> 01:20:45.000
did we create the intelligence as some sort of aggrigor
1265
01:20:45.279 --> 01:20:48.520
or archetype that came from our own energy and consciousness
1266
01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:54.479
in order to have this morality marker for each polarity.
1267
01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:58.880
Say that we are in the earliest of ancient times
1268
01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:04.520
and we have these incredible beliefs and spiritual practices and
1269
01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:06.479
powers of consciousness.
1270
01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:06.760
That we're aware of.
1271
01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:10.279
We're creators, but we know it maybe two hundred, three hundred,
1272
01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:13.840
maybe a million years ago. This is my perspective of
1273
01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:16.640
what the possible human could be. That we had all
1274
01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:20.000
these creative powers and we knew it, and we created
1275
01:21:20.079 --> 01:21:24.800
these archetypes, these gods as a constant reminder of these
1276
01:21:25.119 --> 01:21:29.720
moral polarities good and evil and how to grow food
1277
01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:32.359
and how where the sun sets and rises, and they
1278
01:21:32.479 --> 01:21:37.760
created this whole template. They created these energies that became
1279
01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:42.479
gods to us, but essentially they are our own energy
1280
01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:46.079
that we put out there. Or is it that these
1281
01:21:46.199 --> 01:21:51.279
intelligences created us? That used to be the common view
1282
01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:56.319
amongst you know, ancient alien theorists and people who have
1283
01:21:56.479 --> 01:22:00.319
a biblical view of things that these angels, these selectreal
1284
01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:04.319
beings created. Man, I wonder if it could be the
1285
01:22:04.399 --> 01:22:05.119
other way around.
1286
01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:09.119
To me, that's fascinating, man. I mean, I'll give you
1287
01:22:09.239 --> 01:22:13.199
my perspective. I'll give you well because I asked him
1288
01:22:13.239 --> 01:22:14.720
that question in a lot of ways because I was like,
1289
01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:18.680
so we can't we can't exist without him in this place,
1290
01:22:18.840 --> 01:22:21.680
because yeah, the boeth created this place. So I was
1291
01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:25.840
like Devil's advocate or yeah, the boe with advocate. Should
1292
01:22:25.880 --> 01:22:27.960
I be grateful? Should I say hey, thank you for
1293
01:22:28.119 --> 01:22:31.000
this wonderful prison that you put me in. I was like,
1294
01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:33.279
there's a river down the road. There's like, you know,
1295
01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:35.399
like what should I you know? At some point, but
1296
01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:37.920
he was like he's like, yeah, some people do that
1297
01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:41.720
because I never would. And the way that he kind
1298
01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:45.560
of explained it is that we came from source. We
1299
01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:49.319
are eternal beings that have always been same with yeaho
1300
01:22:49.359 --> 01:22:51.319
boe with but he was kind of one with like
1301
01:22:51.479 --> 01:22:54.760
evil intent and he kind of kind of kind of
1302
01:22:54.880 --> 01:23:00.640
tricked other eternal souls into getting here. And there's always
1303
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:03.560
a level of consent, So I mean we must have
1304
01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:06.680
we must have been like, all right, yeah, that sounds
1305
01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:07.079
like fun.
1306
01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:11.000
It's all consent, dude. I've realized these entities and intelligences
1307
01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:14.279
cannot do shit unless we say they can and we
1308
01:23:14.399 --> 01:23:17.359
agree to it. Whether sometimes we don't realize that we're
1309
01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:19.319
agreeing to some of this shit. But you're right. It's
1310
01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:21.479
like a vampire knocking at your door. You can't come
1311
01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:23.199
in unless you invite them in.
1312
01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:27.239
Yep. And they can glam you. They can glam yes
1313
01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:29.640
and things like that. Yeah, I don't know. I mean
1314
01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:32.800
so that to me was a fascinating idea that like
1315
01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:36.880
the real goal is to get back to source and
1316
01:23:37.039 --> 01:23:39.439
to get out of this place, because this isn't the
1317
01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:42.439
real this is just a mirage. And I do think
1318
01:23:42.479 --> 01:23:44.600
that that as a fascinating interesting idea, and in a
1319
01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:47.079
way because I come at it from a Christian like
1320
01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:50.159
I come from a biblical prective and to me, that's
1321
01:23:50.199 --> 01:23:52.520
what I was always taught that this is temporary, that
1322
01:23:52.600 --> 01:23:54.880
this place that we're in right now is kind of
1323
01:23:54.920 --> 01:23:57.760
a false paradigm. This is just temporary earth, and that
1324
01:23:57.920 --> 01:23:59.720
this is going to be shattered and destroyed, and that
1325
01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:01.800
there's going to be a new heaven, a new Earth.
1326
01:24:03.239 --> 01:24:05.760
And I mean, if you think about it in those
1327
01:24:05.800 --> 01:24:08.600
biblical ways, like what is God besides an alien?
1328
01:24:09.159 --> 01:24:09.279
Right?
1329
01:24:09.720 --> 01:24:11.920
What are the angels? What are the demons? What are
1330
01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:14.800
the Arkhans? That are all of these things besides something
1331
01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:17.399
that is alien to us? But I like the idea
1332
01:24:17.479 --> 01:24:20.039
that you're saying that, like what if they are us?
1333
01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:23.119
What if or what if we created them? I mean
1334
01:24:23.199 --> 01:24:27.800
in a way like our consciousness, our consciences are so powerful.
1335
01:24:28.439 --> 01:24:31.479
Our reality is what we project, what we believe, what
1336
01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:35.279
we accept. We could have built a lot of this,
1337
01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:37.439
Like I don't I don't think that there is good
1338
01:24:37.520 --> 01:24:41.039
without evil. I don't think that we get good, beautiful,
1339
01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:45.279
wonderful like the most precious innocent children. And then also
1340
01:24:45.359 --> 01:24:48.640
you have like Bill Gates over big gross tits, like
1341
01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:53.399
the absolute monster trying to destroy the atmosphere. Like I
1342
01:24:53.479 --> 01:24:55.800
think there has to be a balance, and I think
1343
01:24:55.880 --> 01:24:58.800
that is what life is. It's about overcoming the evil
1344
01:24:59.119 --> 01:25:02.039
and about embrace seen the good and about finding like
1345
01:25:02.119 --> 01:25:04.960
and also finding a balance within yourself, because I'm not
1346
01:25:05.079 --> 01:25:09.279
all good. I'm an asshole. My first instinct to do
1347
01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:13.760
something is like I watch somebody watch my stupid asshole?
1348
01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:13.960
Why?
1349
01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:16.239
Why did I call that guy stupid asshole? I don't know?
1350
01:25:16.520 --> 01:25:19.319
Is it a reflection and insecurity in myself? You know
1351
01:25:19.359 --> 01:25:21.119
what I mean? Like, right, you have to find those
1352
01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:24.560
like those balances, and like then you have to like yeah, man,
1353
01:25:24.760 --> 01:25:27.479
I don't know, Like I do like the idea that
1354
01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:30.520
the entire use and the entire of everything that you like,
1355
01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:33.439
your reality is what's inside of you and what you accept.
1356
01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:37.279
Let's get really deep with this, all right. So say
1357
01:25:37.399 --> 01:25:41.960
that we are such powerful creator beings that we created
1358
01:25:42.520 --> 01:25:48.680
the gods, these archetypical energies, even maybe what we consider extraterrestrials, angels, demons.
1359
01:25:49.159 --> 01:25:53.159
We created them with the power of our thought and intent. Well,
1360
01:25:53.640 --> 01:25:59.039
what if these entities, the intelligence has become so powerful
1361
01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:01.359
after we create them, they take a life of their
1362
01:26:01.399 --> 01:26:04.600
own on and they go rogue and they want their
1363
01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:08.640
own outcomes out of reality, and they start to deceive
1364
01:26:08.880 --> 01:26:11.479
humanity in certain ways. Wouldn't that kind of be the
1365
01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:14.319
same thing as a fallen angel. If you look at
1366
01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:16.279
it from that perspective.
1367
01:26:16.720 --> 01:26:19.840
Even though we can and this person, yeah, that we.
1368
01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:23.920
Are essentially the creator gods. We created these angels to
1369
01:26:24.159 --> 01:26:27.760
serve us. Some of them went rogue and didn't think
1370
01:26:27.880 --> 01:26:33.359
they had to are wanted their own world, wanted to
1371
01:26:33.520 --> 01:26:38.039
create their own realities, and they turn against us. And
1372
01:26:38.359 --> 01:26:43.640
for the humans that aren't aware, and especially modern humans,
1373
01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:48.039
it's easy for these intelligences to lead us certain directions.
1374
01:26:48.680 --> 01:26:51.199
That's another thing I consider. What if we created them
1375
01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:54.000
and they just they went rogue and turned against us.
1376
01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:58.920
Yeah, dude, I mean, I totally, I'm totally on board.
1377
01:26:59.199 --> 01:27:02.840
I think that's really funny and really interesting and really likely.
1378
01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:05.399
I mean, it just reminds me of a Star Trek episode.
1379
01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:07.640
That's what I was looking over here. It reminded me
1380
01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:11.000
of the Star Trek episode where they were in the
1381
01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:14.479
man what did they call that? Basically their version of
1382
01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:16.479
AI where you can go in and create your the
1383
01:27:17.119 --> 01:27:21.399
Hologram universe whatever, right, the Holi deck. Yeah, day, and
1384
01:27:23.600 --> 01:27:26.680
this was the next generation and this was data, and
1385
01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:30.079
Data created a bean that would be smart enough to
1386
01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:32.319
trick him, like because he was trying to play a
1387
01:27:32.399 --> 01:27:36.439
Sherlock Holmes character, and so he needed like an actual
1388
01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:39.319
foe that could stand up against him because data is
1389
01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:41.600
so fucking brilliant, right, He's a computer and he can
1390
01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:43.800
do all the like he can do all these quantum
1391
01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:47.680
mechanics in his head. So he created Moriarty. He created
1392
01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:51.319
this like this bean that was capable of even tricking
1393
01:27:51.399 --> 01:27:55.000
him and beating him. And it became so brilliant and
1394
01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:58.640
so smart. It created a consciousness of its own and
1395
01:27:58.720 --> 01:28:01.039
then took over the ship and went to go and
1396
01:28:01.159 --> 01:28:03.319
create its own universe, right, And they had to trick him,
1397
01:28:03.359 --> 01:28:05.159
and they had to put him in his own universe
1398
01:28:05.199 --> 01:28:07.439
and throw him away kind of like. And so he
1399
01:28:07.720 --> 01:28:10.439
still thinks he's exploring that he's still stuck in a
1400
01:28:10.520 --> 01:28:14.520
video game. And that's a fucking fascinating idea that, like,
1401
01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:16.520
I mean, maybe that's what we need to do to
1402
01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:22.359
to these these entities, man, But it's it is fucking fascinating, dude,
1403
01:28:22.399 --> 01:28:26.279
because I mean, they are kind of they are like
1404
01:28:26.520 --> 01:28:28.239
a thought form, right, they are kind of like an
1405
01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:29.720
aggregore that got away from us.
1406
01:28:30.079 --> 01:28:32.640
Well, look at the layers of reality we're experiencing. Now,
1407
01:28:32.800 --> 01:28:38.560
we are creating AI. We're the ones that we're the
1408
01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:41.399
programmers of this. This gets us away from us. It's
1409
01:28:41.479 --> 01:28:45.399
kind of like the same thing, except we energetically are conscious.
1410
01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:49.439
With our consciousness created the ar types or the demons.
1411
01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:54.560
Now we're creating it through technology. It's like layers upon
1412
01:28:54.840 --> 01:28:58.439
layers of false reality that we're creating for ourselves.
1413
01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:02.680
Well, how much is too much? How much is the
1414
01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:06.600
Has Pandora's box been open at this point? Are we
1415
01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:10.000
just fucked? Because like, you can call me uh, you
1416
01:29:10.039 --> 01:29:12.279
can call me what I want. You can call me
1417
01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:14.479
Ted Kazinski if you want a peaceful one. I'm not
1418
01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:21.000
gonna say. But dude, if I could, I would smash
1419
01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:23.439
my phone into a million bits and I'd go live
1420
01:29:23.479 --> 01:29:25.840
in the woods in a cabin. But at this point,
1421
01:29:26.079 --> 01:29:28.720
like when because I told you I might bring up
1422
01:29:28.720 --> 01:29:30.199
the whole cat Williams.
1423
01:29:30.600 --> 01:29:34.119
Yes, yeah, I didn't see that. Man, I'm hearing all
1424
01:29:34.359 --> 01:29:35.399
kinds of shit about it.
1425
01:29:35.560 --> 01:29:38.800
You gotta watch it, dude. It's fucking fascinating. They dropped
1426
01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:41.199
some real interesting stuff, and I think that it's going
1427
01:29:41.279 --> 01:29:44.119
to change the paradigm that we're in just because like
1428
01:29:44.359 --> 01:29:46.359
there are some things that are brought up to like
1429
01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:49.239
Normy in the mainstream that I think is going to
1430
01:29:49.439 --> 01:29:53.279
kind of maybe shattered some fucking shit. Maybe it's fun,
1431
01:29:53.439 --> 01:29:58.000
it has the potential to. But what I thought was interesting,
1432
01:29:58.159 --> 01:30:00.640
and this is why I kind of a hate love
1433
01:30:00.720 --> 01:30:03.600
relationship with Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan seems to be a
1434
01:30:03.800 --> 01:30:05.479
pretty smart guy. He was kind of one of my
1435
01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:07.560
red pill Daddy. He's like listening to him when I
1436
01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:10.720
was like a like a real fucking normy, blue pilled
1437
01:30:10.800 --> 01:30:15.960
democrat dipshit believed in nass and outer space. I would
1438
01:30:16.079 --> 01:30:18.199
listen to him and then he kind of opened my
1439
01:30:18.319 --> 01:30:22.520
mind up to different possiblities, different ideas, different thinkers, and
1440
01:30:22.680 --> 01:30:24.960
so like he kind of like, you know, I've kind
1441
01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:27.960
of evolved obviously since then. But from a fucking nut
1442
01:30:28.039 --> 01:30:29.439
with a tinfoil half a head.
1443
01:30:29.560 --> 01:30:30.880
Hey man, it's a great place to be.
1444
01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:34.119
It's a great place to be. But the thing that
1445
01:30:34.199 --> 01:30:37.079
he just about constantly is that we're gonna have to
1446
01:30:37.159 --> 01:30:40.720
integrate with this technology that if humanity is going to survive,
1447
01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:43.039
no matter what, we're gonna have to get the brain chip.
1448
01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:45.000
We're gonna have to we're gonna have to sign our
1449
01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:49.840
soul with Satan basically and join with the synchronicity with
1450
01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:54.119
the with this singularity, the singularity, Yeah, we're gonna have
1451
01:30:54.159 --> 01:30:56.920
to have a symbiotic relationship with it, and we're gonna
1452
01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:59.279
have to grow and evolve with it. And my God,
1453
01:30:59.359 --> 01:31:00.800
to set sound terrible.
1454
01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:04.159
I don't think that's right, man. I think that it's
1455
01:31:04.199 --> 01:31:07.119
r in a sense. The only way out is through it.
1456
01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:12.079
But we have more control than we realize. Think about it.
1457
01:31:12.319 --> 01:31:16.039
We are the ones who participate with the agendas, consume
1458
01:31:16.159 --> 01:31:21.760
the toxic food, perpetuate who is in political offices. We
1459
01:31:21.920 --> 01:31:25.800
put them there. We put these scumbags in power because
1460
01:31:26.159 --> 01:31:32.039
we continue to pay for their campaigns, buy their products,
1461
01:31:32.119 --> 01:31:35.800
participate in dystopian agendas. And I'm not talking personally you
1462
01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:39.079
and me, because there are many of us who have
1463
01:31:39.279 --> 01:31:41.920
checked out of that system and not giving it any
1464
01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:44.640
more power. But there's still too many people that are
1465
01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:48.319
that are participating in the left right political paradigm and
1466
01:31:48.439 --> 01:31:52.359
going vote for monsters and just all this stuff that
1467
01:31:52.640 --> 01:31:58.359
keeps us trapped in this false reality. But second you
1468
01:31:59.279 --> 01:32:02.199
realize it's all theater, it's all a game, and you
1469
01:32:02.479 --> 01:32:05.680
check out of it and you start creating your own reality.
1470
01:32:06.479 --> 01:32:09.279
That's when the real change occurs and I think that's
1471
01:32:09.279 --> 01:32:11.960
what we're seeing right now. I think we're seeing major
1472
01:32:12.600 --> 01:32:16.640
hundredth monkey effects around the globe. And we can give
1473
01:32:16.680 --> 01:32:19.439
ourselves a huge pad on the back for that because
1474
01:32:19.960 --> 01:32:23.600
for years now, people like us have been sounding the alarm.
1475
01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:29.800
Podcasts like us have been opening people's eyes and causing
1476
01:32:29.960 --> 01:32:36.159
them to question things and realize the corruption and become aware.
1477
01:32:36.279 --> 01:32:41.279
And once you become aware, then the belief is possible.
1478
01:32:41.520 --> 01:32:45.600
Belief that you can do things without daddy government, belief
1479
01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:49.880
that you can become healthy without doctors in our medical industry,
1480
01:32:50.319 --> 01:32:53.119
the belief that you can create reality. And that's the
1481
01:32:53.319 --> 01:32:55.960
I think that's the real fuel for creation, is that
1482
01:32:56.119 --> 01:32:59.359
belief that you can do it. And what system has
1483
01:32:59.439 --> 01:33:02.319
done since beginning of time is trying to squash the
1484
01:33:02.439 --> 01:33:05.800
belief out of us, try to keep us down and
1485
01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:09.399
suppressed and unaware of everything that's going on so that
1486
01:33:09.560 --> 01:33:11.920
they can be in that realm, hold all that power
1487
01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:15.520
for themselves and keep us under their boots. But more
1488
01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:18.159
we check out, the more power we're gonna have. And
1489
01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:20.840
I think we're living in incredible times right now. I
1490
01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:23.920
see more and more people taking their power back and
1491
01:33:24.159 --> 01:33:24.760
it's a good thing.
1492
01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:30.520
Man, Absolutely dude, And it's gonna it's gonna be one
1493
01:33:30.560 --> 01:33:35.079
of those things, dude, where it's going to happen slowly, slowly, slowly,
1494
01:33:35.159 --> 01:33:37.680
and then all at once. Yeah, it's gonna be It's
1495
01:33:37.720 --> 01:33:40.680
gonna be a snowball just going down a fucking mountain.
1496
01:33:40.840 --> 01:33:42.760
And they, I don't think are prepared to.
1497
01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:43.640
Uh.
1498
01:33:44.359 --> 01:33:47.199
They think they're prepared, and they're getting prepared. They're building
1499
01:33:47.239 --> 01:33:50.920
their bunkers, they're building their sound weapons, they're they're getting
1500
01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:55.439
ready man their energy weapons to to try to disrupt us,
1501
01:33:55.520 --> 01:33:57.720
destroy us. But I don't think that they are going
1502
01:33:57.800 --> 01:33:59.920
to be ready for the avalanche that comes from them.
1503
01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:02.800
They're trying so hard to get us to lock onto
1504
01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:06.319
an apocalyptic timeline and be so fearful of the end
1505
01:34:06.359 --> 01:34:08.840
of the world and perpetual wars and nuclear war and
1506
01:34:08.920 --> 01:34:11.880
pandemics that that's going to be our reality that we
1507
01:34:12.039 --> 01:34:14.720
created for ourselves. That's what they're trying to do, is
1508
01:34:15.079 --> 01:34:18.920
to get us to create this apocalyptic timeline by flooding
1509
01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:22.960
us with fear tactics and faalse flags and corrupt politicians
1510
01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:26.039
and all the nastiness that we interact with every day.
1511
01:34:26.479 --> 01:34:28.359
They leave that if they flood us enough with it
1512
01:34:28.720 --> 01:34:31.399
that that's gonna be the reality we create. But they're
1513
01:34:31.439 --> 01:34:35.079
in trouble, man. They made some major mistakes the past
1514
01:34:35.119 --> 01:34:38.399
few years and they're paying the price right now. I
1515
01:34:38.439 --> 01:34:41.359
don't think they can dig. There's themselves out, so I
1516
01:34:41.479 --> 01:34:43.159
have high hopes for where we're going.
1517
01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:46.600
Yeah, they let the masks slip too much. Yeah, people
1518
01:34:46.720 --> 01:34:49.279
kind of saw the demon that was hiding under that mask.
1519
01:34:49.359 --> 01:34:49.560
It is.
1520
01:34:49.720 --> 01:34:52.800
It's a fascinating thing, dude. And I think that we
1521
01:34:54.479 --> 01:34:57.000
they are fund brilliant though, because even the most woke
1522
01:34:57.039 --> 01:35:00.520
among us, Dude, I see them getting caught up in this. Like, man,
1523
01:35:00.640 --> 01:35:03.279
some of like some of the smart libertarians that I know,
1524
01:35:03.680 --> 01:35:06.479
and some people are gonna be angry at me, And
1525
01:35:06.600 --> 01:35:08.760
that's fine. I don't give a shit. Some of the
1526
01:35:08.840 --> 01:35:12.319
most brilliant libertarian minds and like the whole the whole
1527
01:35:12.399 --> 01:35:17.279
agorist movement, Agorists are supposed to be anti politics period.
1528
01:35:17.760 --> 01:35:21.279
Algorithm is very anti politics. And I see some of
1529
01:35:21.319 --> 01:35:24.319
the most like prominent agarists out there kind of like
1530
01:35:24.479 --> 01:35:28.439
suckling teat for Javier Malay and I'm like, dude, like
1531
01:35:28.600 --> 01:35:31.640
Javier Malay is he's he's part of the paradigm. He
1532
01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:34.039
doesn't get to be president of fucking Argentina if he
1533
01:35:34.159 --> 01:35:36.560
isn't right, he doesn't. Like the first thing he does
1534
01:35:36.680 --> 01:35:39.600
when he comes to America was he goes to the
1535
01:35:39.920 --> 01:35:44.399
Israeli the International blah blah blah of you know, Israeli
1536
01:35:44.439 --> 01:35:46.279
blah blah blah, and yeah, like he went there. That
1537
01:35:46.399 --> 01:35:48.119
was like one of the first stops he went to
1538
01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:52.640
met up with those rabbis. Like he like, my god, dude,
1539
01:35:52.720 --> 01:35:54.960
Like he's one of them. Bro, Like you can't, like
1540
01:35:55.159 --> 01:35:59.600
you can't. You're not winning, Like you're through through the
1541
01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:05.279
political paradigm. You're not winning, bro, Like I'm sorry so
1542
01:36:05.439 --> 01:36:09.000
many people. I think the Q movement was probably one
1543
01:36:09.039 --> 01:36:14.479
of the most one of the most hurt flings that
1544
01:36:14.560 --> 01:36:16.880
happened to the truth movement ever in a lot of
1545
01:36:16.920 --> 01:36:19.399
ways because still I know so many people that are
1546
01:36:19.560 --> 01:36:23.239
so fucking brilliant and are so smart about all this stuff,
1547
01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:26.880
and then the second that this comes up again and
1548
01:36:26.960 --> 01:36:30.079
then to come into office, they're the first people that, well,
1549
01:36:30.319 --> 01:36:33.199
we need to build that border wall, we need to
1550
01:36:33.600 --> 01:36:36.600
we need Trump there the other and I'm like like, man,
1551
01:36:37.640 --> 01:36:40.439
like Trump is another Trump is not going to save you,
1552
01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:43.479
and that it's going to maybe keep Mexicans out, but
1553
01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:46.119
it also might keep you win. You know, we don't
1554
01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:48.920
know what the future is gonna hold, and uh, I
1555
01:36:49.079 --> 01:36:51.039
might want to be able to I might want to
1556
01:36:51.119 --> 01:36:53.880
liquid a border there because I might try to get
1557
01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:57.159
the fuck out of here. And if that borders up,
1558
01:36:57.680 --> 01:36:58.279
you know what I mean.
1559
01:36:58.920 --> 01:37:01.840
Well, the only way that can ever beat any movement,
1560
01:37:02.359 --> 01:37:05.159
grassroot movement that starts for the people and picks up
1561
01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:09.039
steam and becomes something massive is to infiltrate it. It's
1562
01:37:09.119 --> 01:37:11.840
to infiltrate it, to co opt it, send your own
1563
01:37:11.960 --> 01:37:14.800
people in to muddy the waters, and then implode it
1564
01:37:14.920 --> 01:37:17.720
from the inside out. And that's what we've seen with
1565
01:37:18.199 --> 01:37:24.359
every good movement for humanity. Now, conspiracy culture is mainstream.
1566
01:37:25.079 --> 01:37:28.119
Anytime we turn on the TV or media, we are
1567
01:37:28.239 --> 01:37:32.159
flooded with conspiracy theories. But it's not it's no longer
1568
01:37:32.319 --> 01:37:35.439
just coming from people like us. They are flooding the
1569
01:37:35.560 --> 01:37:41.600
airwaves with every insane conspiracy theory, and they've infiltrated this
1570
01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:45.720
movement to the extent that it is difficult to trust
1571
01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:49.119
people and it's difficult to know where you're gonna get
1572
01:37:49.319 --> 01:37:53.319
your next bit of information from. So discernment is key
1573
01:37:53.439 --> 01:37:56.560
during these times. And we have to watch out for
1574
01:37:56.880 --> 01:37:59.600
those in our community, and it's sad that we do.
1575
01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:02.880
It's being infiltrated, and I think that there are even
1576
01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:07.680
content creators who are just coming up that are being
1577
01:38:07.800 --> 01:38:11.199
made offers. And that's why we're seeing these people out
1578
01:38:11.239 --> 01:38:15.680
of nowhere have just millions of subscribers and notoriety and
1579
01:38:15.960 --> 01:38:19.359
they're putting forward all this insane information that most of
1580
01:38:19.399 --> 01:38:22.319
it can't ever be verified. But it's all to muddy
1581
01:38:22.359 --> 01:38:25.119
the waters. It's to get us fighting each other and
1582
01:38:25.239 --> 01:38:30.000
hating each other and never on the same page. That's
1583
01:38:30.039 --> 01:38:34.640
the main control tactic, is to keep us as far
1584
01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:36.319
away from each other as possible.
1585
01:38:37.000 --> 01:38:40.800
Yeah, dude, it's always about division, dude. I mean, here's
1586
01:38:40.840 --> 01:38:44.600
the thing. I will again love hate relationship with someone
1587
01:38:44.720 --> 01:38:47.159
like Alex Jones. I love Alex Shons and other big
1588
01:38:47.239 --> 01:38:49.880
red pill daddy for me, you know what I mean, Like,
1589
01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:51.760
I wouldn't be the nut job that I am without
1590
01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:54.039
Alex Sjones. But at the same time, when I hear
1591
01:38:54.159 --> 01:38:57.840
him speak about the people in control, about the evil
1592
01:38:58.000 --> 01:39:00.279
people that are in control, what's the word that I
1593
01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:05.079
hear them bring up? Nine out of ten times? The Democrats, theft,
1594
01:39:05.439 --> 01:39:08.119
the Democrats and the left, and I'm like, okay, dude,
1595
01:39:08.199 --> 01:39:09.920
but like, what about all the fucking's on the right
1596
01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:13.000
that are trying to man, It's so wild to me that, like,
1597
01:39:13.560 --> 01:39:18.159
and it is fascinating because I think that it was
1598
01:39:18.399 --> 01:39:23.720
almost a controlled demolition to keep people so divided and destroyed.
1599
01:39:23.760 --> 01:39:26.920
So it's like, to me, the left has become an
1600
01:39:26.960 --> 01:39:30.199
actual religion at this point, So people that still buy
1601
01:39:30.319 --> 01:39:34.439
into the Democratic Party the left, their narratives and things
1602
01:39:34.520 --> 01:39:37.119
like that are bought in. So at this point you
1603
01:39:37.199 --> 01:39:40.199
could literally you could show them, and we have time
1604
01:39:40.279 --> 01:39:43.479
and time again we're like, hey, brother, like this is
1605
01:39:43.560 --> 01:39:45.640
what you're saying, this is what the news is telling you,
1606
01:39:46.000 --> 01:39:49.520
and here's here's an article, or here's some like actual factual,
1607
01:39:49.880 --> 01:39:52.680
here's some proof that this is a lie. And they
1608
01:39:52.840 --> 01:39:55.520
won't even see it. At this point. It is fully
1609
01:39:55.840 --> 01:39:59.760
it's an orthodox religion, so there's no moving or shaking
1610
01:40:00.119 --> 01:40:03.159
that and the other So to me, that is fascinating
1611
01:40:03.800 --> 01:40:07.640
and terrifying that you can like and I'm not a
1612
01:40:07.720 --> 01:40:09.680
right I'm not a right left guy, Like I'm not
1613
01:40:09.960 --> 01:40:11.640
I'm not buying in on that shit, but I'm just
1614
01:40:11.680 --> 01:40:13.560
saying that, Like, to me, what I see when I
1615
01:40:13.640 --> 01:40:17.760
see the left, there's literally there's people fucking dying of
1616
01:40:17.840 --> 01:40:20.319
heart attacks left and right. There's like twenty year olds
1617
01:40:20.479 --> 01:40:23.279
having strokes and dying, and these people are still getting
1618
01:40:23.279 --> 01:40:27.279
their fucking boosters. There's even there's even disclosure where doctors
1619
01:40:27.319 --> 01:40:30.359
are saying like, yeah, that was probably a fucking you know,
1620
01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:33.680
that was a jab thing. Uh yeah that probably you know,
1621
01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:36.319
that wasn't a good idea. There's even been some governments
1622
01:40:36.359 --> 01:40:39.039
and say, well, we probably don't recommend anybody under the
1623
01:40:39.079 --> 01:40:41.279
age of twenty five to get it. And these people
1624
01:40:41.479 --> 01:40:44.520
still won't ever admit that they're wrong. You can still
1625
01:40:44.520 --> 01:40:45.920
get you know what I mean. So they're locked in,
1626
01:40:46.479 --> 01:40:49.640
like the left is locked in, and so for everyone
1627
01:40:49.720 --> 01:40:52.199
else that is part of that orthodoxy. They have to
1628
01:40:52.319 --> 01:40:56.199
create the new legitimate news, right, because they've destroyed what
1629
01:40:56.560 --> 01:41:00.359
was the legitimate news, Like the legitimate media is gone
1630
01:41:00.520 --> 01:41:03.119
for the majority of people that are that are quote
1631
01:41:03.199 --> 01:41:05.760
unquote awake. And so to me, what I see is
1632
01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:09.920
they've even destroyed Fox News, like the Fox News like
1633
01:41:10.239 --> 01:41:14.199
fire Tucker Clson and like you know, did this that
1634
01:41:14.319 --> 01:41:18.439
and the other like that, Like so again it's about
1635
01:41:18.479 --> 01:41:21.439
to be so some of the old folks like the
1636
01:41:21.479 --> 01:41:24.399
Boomers are still always gonna be locked in on Fox News.
1637
01:41:24.560 --> 01:41:26.800
So now they have the Fox News, They're watching their
1638
01:41:27.119 --> 01:41:29.359
Fox News and Friends in the morning, and that's what
1639
01:41:29.520 --> 01:41:32.560
they think their reality is. Then you have your left
1640
01:41:32.600 --> 01:41:36.800
over here with their orthodoxy and their fucking wild complete
1641
01:41:37.560 --> 01:41:41.199
like fantasil like fucking like fairy tales over and then
1642
01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:43.560
you have everybody else, And so they need to fucking
1643
01:41:43.640 --> 01:41:46.439
take their energy and they need to focus them. And
1644
01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:48.760
what do you have now? Like who has become the
1645
01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:51.760
mainstream media? And for a lot of folks, it's like
1646
01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:54.920
outside of the paradigm, and so like what what are
1647
01:41:54.960 --> 01:41:59.119
they doing? They're co oping fucking podcasts and alternative media,
1648
01:41:59.439 --> 01:42:05.640
and they like to me, Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones,
1649
01:42:05.800 --> 01:42:08.960
Louder with Crowder that that whole fucking movement that is
1650
01:42:09.079 --> 01:42:11.880
now the right pill. They're like just funneling the rest
1651
01:42:11.920 --> 01:42:15.279
of them in there. And in a lot of ways rightfully,
1652
01:42:15.399 --> 01:42:21.880
So Alic Jones has way more credility than any of
1653
01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:26.039
the mainstream media. And so now all the fucking folks
1654
01:42:26.079 --> 01:42:28.479
that I know that I love are just whatever Alex
1655
01:42:28.600 --> 01:42:32.000
Jones says. Yeah, that's that's that's my fucking reality at
1656
01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:35.399
this point, and so I think they have ninety eight
1657
01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:38.840
percent of people. Dude, then you're either in the fucking
1658
01:42:38.920 --> 01:42:42.720
left orthodoxy, or you're the old boomers at Fox, or
1659
01:42:42.800 --> 01:42:48.720
you're in this new fucking alt media like reality. It's wild,
1660
01:42:49.119 --> 01:42:51.920
it is. The answer is not in any of those
1661
01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:52.920
fucking circles.
1662
01:42:53.119 --> 01:42:55.800
Right, My guest yesterday I think hit the nail on
1663
01:42:55.880 --> 01:42:59.680
the head. He was talking about how we focus too
1664
01:42:59.760 --> 01:43:02.479
much on the talking heads and the individuals and the
1665
01:43:02.640 --> 01:43:06.199
people in power instead of the policies behind what they're
1666
01:43:06.600 --> 01:43:09.960
trying to put forward in the ideologies. We can focus
1667
01:43:10.039 --> 01:43:14.399
on the people all we want, Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab,
1668
01:43:15.239 --> 01:43:19.119
all these seemingly evil, powerful people that we can point
1669
01:43:19.119 --> 01:43:22.640
a finger at. They're there for that. They're there so
1670
01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:25.359
that you can point a finger out and have escapegoat.
1671
01:43:25.439 --> 01:43:28.399
But guess what if they die, there's gonna be another
1672
01:43:28.479 --> 01:43:32.520
head that just pops up in their place. And they
1673
01:43:32.560 --> 01:43:36.279
have heads lined up for years. We're never going to
1674
01:43:36.399 --> 01:43:40.039
get rid of all the evil players. So focusing on
1675
01:43:40.199 --> 01:43:43.760
these individuals, I believe is not the way to do it. Yes,
1676
01:43:44.199 --> 01:43:46.640
it'd be great to see justice, it'd be great to
1677
01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:49.039
see some hedge roll in the street and some people
1678
01:43:49.760 --> 01:43:54.439
actually be taken down and put in prison for this.
1679
01:43:54.760 --> 01:43:58.119
But will we ever see that? Probably not, And if
1680
01:43:58.159 --> 01:44:03.680
we do, it's gonna be they're chosen scapegoats. They're chosen
1681
01:44:03.800 --> 01:44:06.079
ones that they throw under the bus so that we
1682
01:44:06.199 --> 01:44:09.239
can feel like we got some sort of justice. But
1683
01:44:09.359 --> 01:44:12.159
in reality, that was their plan the whole time, is
1684
01:44:12.239 --> 01:44:15.000
to use that person as a scapegoat so that they
1685
01:44:15.079 --> 01:44:18.159
can keep running the show with the next person that
1686
01:44:18.279 --> 01:44:21.640
they choose. But it's the same ideology, it's the same
1687
01:44:22.720 --> 01:44:25.960
reasoning behind everything. And if we can dig deep enough
1688
01:44:26.600 --> 01:44:31.079
to uncover the ideologies and the real purposes that these
1689
01:44:31.159 --> 01:44:36.439
are happening, we can reject that as a foundation instead
1690
01:44:36.479 --> 01:44:38.720
of the people putting it forward, because there's always going
1691
01:44:38.760 --> 01:44:42.199
to be a new person, but that agenda and that ideology,
1692
01:44:42.359 --> 01:44:45.000
that's the one thing that is the one thing that
1693
01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:49.039
they hold their power to, and that is the one
1694
01:44:49.119 --> 01:44:51.399
thing that gives them their power. So if we can
1695
01:44:51.479 --> 01:44:56.000
attack that foundation, that belief system that they have and
1696
01:44:56.119 --> 01:44:59.000
destroy it, I think that's the way that we need
1697
01:44:59.119 --> 01:44:59.880
to start doing things.
1698
01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:03.680
Yeah, brother, And there was something that you said a
1699
01:45:03.840 --> 01:45:06.239
minute ago, and I think that that is the truest
1700
01:45:06.279 --> 01:45:08.960
and best thing is that you need to find uh.
1701
01:45:09.159 --> 01:45:13.880
You need to follow your your your you need to
1702
01:45:13.920 --> 01:45:17.119
find your conscience and you need to find uh. Man.
1703
01:45:17.199 --> 01:45:19.840
There was a word that you use that Christians use
1704
01:45:19.840 --> 01:45:22.760
all the time, and I think it's really interesting, really
1705
01:45:22.800 --> 01:45:30.000
fascinating and discern discernment, discernment. Sorry, it's early in the morning.
1706
01:45:30.079 --> 01:45:32.039
I had enough coffee, had too much one of the other.
1707
01:45:32.920 --> 01:45:36.960
But uh to me, that, to me is the most
1708
01:45:37.000 --> 01:45:39.840
important thing because there's always going to be talking heads.
1709
01:45:40.239 --> 01:45:43.159
The government is always, no matter what, they're going to
1710
01:45:43.199 --> 01:45:45.600
be like, we need more power. We created a problem.
1711
01:45:46.119 --> 01:45:49.000
Now there's this problem. We need this solution, and the
1712
01:45:49.079 --> 01:45:51.520
solution is always we need more money and we need
1713
01:45:51.600 --> 01:45:54.560
more power. So our ant's never going to be the government.
1714
01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:56.760
The government is always, no matter what, they were going
1715
01:45:56.840 --> 01:46:00.279
to consolidate, more power, more money, more power, more money.
1716
01:46:00.359 --> 01:46:02.479
That's all they're going to do. They feed, feed, feed
1717
01:46:02.520 --> 01:46:05.199
their a parasite on us, that's what they are. So
1718
01:46:05.640 --> 01:46:09.439
to me, you have to use that discernship discern you
1719
01:46:09.520 --> 01:46:15.000
know what I'm saying. Just use your consciousness, your conscience
1720
01:46:15.159 --> 01:46:18.840
to discern from right and wrong. And the real answers
1721
01:46:19.000 --> 01:46:21.560
are inside of yourself. So to me, what they're always
1722
01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:25.600
trying to trying to do is trying to destroy ideas
1723
01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:30.720
of family, ideas of tradition, ideas of like knowledge passed
1724
01:46:30.760 --> 01:46:33.640
down through generations. They're trying to because they want to
1725
01:46:33.720 --> 01:46:36.239
rewrite it. They want you to be a blank slate.
1726
01:46:36.760 --> 01:46:38.640
Like to me, that that was the whole idea of
1727
01:46:38.760 --> 01:46:41.399
like communism, trying to create the new Man, right, the
1728
01:46:41.479 --> 01:46:44.560
new Soviet Man. They wanted to see what they could do.
1729
01:46:44.600 --> 01:46:46.239
It was a sub experiment. They wanted to see what
1730
01:46:46.479 --> 01:46:49.520
humans were, like, what our baseline was, what they could
1731
01:46:49.600 --> 01:46:52.920
do to change our every thought. Like to me, one
1732
01:46:52.960 --> 01:46:55.680
of the most like terrifying and horrifying things that you
1733
01:46:55.800 --> 01:46:58.880
can look up is if you look up what the
1734
01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:03.399
Soviet Union was doing to Romania, what they what they
1735
01:47:03.439 --> 01:47:06.000
did to Romania, and what they did to this whole
1736
01:47:06.159 --> 01:47:10.199
group of these Orthodox Christians down there. They wanted to see.
1737
01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:12.319
They're like, okay, we're going to find the most devout
1738
01:47:12.640 --> 01:47:17.760
orthodox young like people that you know, believe completely in God,
1739
01:47:18.319 --> 01:47:20.520
are still virgins. They're like, hey, I'm going to be
1740
01:47:20.560 --> 01:47:23.159
a virgutil I get married. They were like devout and
1741
01:47:23.239 --> 01:47:25.159
they're like, let's see what we can do to these people,
1742
01:47:25.319 --> 01:47:27.079
and if you look into it, like I don't know
1743
01:47:27.119 --> 01:47:28.720
how dark you want to get in this episode, but
1744
01:47:28.800 --> 01:47:33.159
they made them do some most horrifying, dark, evil things
1745
01:47:33.239 --> 01:47:35.760
that you can ever even imagine another human doing to
1746
01:47:35.840 --> 01:47:38.359
another human, just to see if they could make them break,
1747
01:47:38.800 --> 01:47:40.920
just to see if they could make them turn into
1748
01:47:41.039 --> 01:47:45.359
the exact opposite. And guess what they can. They like,
1749
01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:49.520
humans are mouldible and are destructible, and so to me,
1750
01:47:50.319 --> 01:47:53.199
they're doing a very soft version like I think all
1751
01:47:53.239 --> 01:47:55.359
of those governmental things like I don't get I don't
1752
01:47:55.399 --> 01:47:58.159
get caught up in the fascist communist thing. Like to me,
1753
01:47:58.279 --> 01:48:02.039
it was all just different flavors of authoritarians coming down
1754
01:48:02.079 --> 01:48:05.119
here and doing social experiments on us and so like
1755
01:48:05.239 --> 01:48:07.840
to me that that communist like what the Nazis were
1756
01:48:07.840 --> 01:48:10.279
doing was terrible. With the fucking what the Communists were
1757
01:48:10.279 --> 01:48:12.640
doing was terrible, and they were all just doing experiments
1758
01:48:12.640 --> 01:48:14.520
on humans, trying to break them. It was very much
1759
01:48:14.600 --> 01:48:16.000
like MK Ultra dud.
1760
01:48:16.079 --> 01:48:20.680
They do experiments on their own children and families. These
1761
01:48:21.119 --> 01:48:27.760
these most powerful, elite, wealthy monsters use generational trauma and
1762
01:48:27.880 --> 01:48:33.000
mind control to groom their children to be disgusting monsters
1763
01:48:33.079 --> 01:48:37.199
to perpetuate everything that they have built for themselves. They're
1764
01:48:37.239 --> 01:48:39.359
gonna make sure their kids are the same way.
1765
01:48:40.079 --> 01:48:42.319
What does that tell you that our baseline, our human
1766
01:48:42.439 --> 01:48:46.119
nature is good, who we are is good and they
1767
01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:48.520
have to break that and destroy that. Yeah, to me,
1768
01:48:48.680 --> 01:48:52.119
that like shows you what we are. That shows you
1769
01:48:52.279 --> 01:48:54.760
that our nate is loving kind. I don't want to
1770
01:48:54.840 --> 01:48:57.520
hurt another thing. I don't want to smash another thing. Well,
1771
01:48:57.600 --> 01:48:59.640
you need to break that person and you need to
1772
01:49:00.039 --> 01:49:03.039
still that in them. Right, you're gonna be a monster
1773
01:49:03.319 --> 01:49:06.119
Arcan like I am. I need to turn you into
1774
01:49:06.199 --> 01:49:09.079
that Arkhan. Right. That's what they do to their own
1775
01:49:09.399 --> 01:49:12.640
to their own bloodline, to their own children. And so
1776
01:49:12.800 --> 01:49:15.920
to me, the way we fight back, Like I said,
1777
01:49:16.279 --> 01:49:20.880
politics never gonna win politics, like it's it's their game.
1778
01:49:21.279 --> 01:49:24.239
You're not gonna take their game from them, Like you
1779
01:49:24.319 --> 01:49:26.960
know what I'm saying, that's their power structure. You're not
1780
01:49:27.039 --> 01:49:29.560
gonna fucking destroy that. That's like what they've been doing.
1781
01:49:29.920 --> 01:49:31.560
You're not gonna You're not gonna do this through the
1782
01:49:31.640 --> 01:49:34.279
corporate world either. You're not gonna have your good guy
1783
01:49:34.399 --> 01:49:37.840
corporation that's going to like like it's all in their
1784
01:49:37.920 --> 01:49:41.199
fucking paradigm. You just can't do it. So the only
1785
01:49:41.279 --> 01:49:43.479
thing that you can do focus on the things that
1786
01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:45.880
they want to destroy, focus on the things that they hate.
1787
01:49:46.159 --> 01:49:51.239
And what is that tradition, family structure, knowledge from the family,
1788
01:49:51.439 --> 01:49:54.640
like like pasttown generations, and we need to focus on that.
1789
01:49:55.000 --> 01:49:56.960
So what you have to do is, like you need
1790
01:49:57.039 --> 01:49:59.720
to do that shadow work. You need to find out
1791
01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:02.199
who you You need to find out what you truly believe.
1792
01:50:02.640 --> 01:50:05.199
You need to find out who like, what are you like?
1793
01:50:05.359 --> 01:50:05.840
Are you like?
1794
01:50:06.359 --> 01:50:09.319
And find the best version of yourself that you can
1795
01:50:10.039 --> 01:50:14.880
you gotta love and then from there raise your kids accordingly,
1796
01:50:15.520 --> 01:50:18.600
find like minds, find it, you know, and just like
1797
01:50:18.800 --> 01:50:22.079
gather in small like just I'm not telling people to
1798
01:50:22.279 --> 01:50:26.079
be fucking weird he communes, but maybe like in this
1799
01:50:26.520 --> 01:50:29.520
in this new world, dude, that they're gonna try to
1800
01:50:29.920 --> 01:50:32.279
like I see it left and right, dude, especially where
1801
01:50:32.279 --> 01:50:36.239
I live, they're building fucking fifteen minute cities. They're they're
1802
01:50:36.279 --> 01:50:41.079
building whole like smart communities. Like right out to where
1803
01:50:41.079 --> 01:50:44.880
I used to live, it was all farmland. It was beautiful.
1804
01:50:45.000 --> 01:50:47.640
All this area was farmland out here in a lower Oregon,
1805
01:50:48.199 --> 01:50:51.600
and they took all the farmland from all the farmers
1806
01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:53.640
that have been there for like one hundred and fifty years,
1807
01:50:54.319 --> 01:50:58.560
and they created smart cities, and they created all these
1808
01:50:58.600 --> 01:51:01.119
communities where it's like every single one of them are
1809
01:51:01.239 --> 01:51:04.479
like integrated. Like your refrigerator talks to your fucking toaster,
1810
01:51:04.680 --> 01:51:07.439
that talks to your toilet, that dogs your fucking you know,
1811
01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:11.960
it's absolutely ridiculous. Like my lawn, Like my fucking washer
1812
01:51:12.000 --> 01:51:13.960
and dryer don't need to be on Wi Fi. Right,
1813
01:51:14.520 --> 01:51:18.079
go fuck yourself. I don't need that, Like, but that's
1814
01:51:18.119 --> 01:51:20.520
what these people are. And so like, as I'm driving
1815
01:51:20.600 --> 01:51:23.279
through these neighborhoods, dude, like I see the fucking like
1816
01:51:23.439 --> 01:51:25.760
I know the houses are looking at me as I'm
1817
01:51:25.800 --> 01:51:28.560
looking at them, you know, like huh, it freaks me out. Dude,
1818
01:51:28.600 --> 01:51:30.279
I don't like that shit. I don't like that shit
1819
01:51:30.279 --> 01:51:33.720
at all. And so to me, what we need to
1820
01:51:33.800 --> 01:51:37.439
do to beat these people is to not play their game.
1821
01:51:38.640 --> 01:51:41.560
I think it's gonna be impossible for them to achieve
1822
01:51:41.600 --> 01:51:45.600
their goals while this generation is alive. I think they're
1823
01:51:45.680 --> 01:51:49.520
counting on the future generations to be the ones to
1824
01:51:49.760 --> 01:51:53.159
carry their agendas through. That's why they're attacking the children.
1825
01:51:53.239 --> 01:51:57.199
That's why they're programming ldren more than anything else. That
1826
01:51:57.520 --> 01:52:00.720
is their target audience. And it's gonna be up to
1827
01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:03.479
us to keep the next generation in line. But it's
1828
01:52:03.720 --> 01:52:07.560
it's difficult. I don't have kids, but I see others
1829
01:52:07.640 --> 01:52:11.439
that do, and how difficult it can be to wash
1830
01:52:11.520 --> 01:52:12.600
out that programming.
1831
01:52:12.760 --> 01:52:16.560
Right, here's my pill, man. We're the only ones having kids.
1832
01:52:19.720 --> 01:52:22.359
You're right having kids? Yeah, yeah, they're not. They're not
1833
01:52:22.560 --> 01:52:24.960
having kids. They're freaked out by kids. They're the ones
1834
01:52:25.000 --> 01:52:27.079
that are living in fear. They're the ones that are afraid.
1835
01:52:27.119 --> 01:52:28.720
They're the ones that are like, oh my god, this
1836
01:52:28.840 --> 01:52:30.600
world is so awful and terrible. I'm not gonna have
1837
01:52:30.640 --> 01:52:32.560
a kid. And then the ones that do have kids,
1838
01:52:32.640 --> 01:52:33.279
what are they doing?
1839
01:52:33.359 --> 01:52:33.560
Dude?
1840
01:52:34.359 --> 01:52:37.920
This sounds fucking terrible, But they're sterilizing their children. They're
1841
01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:41.640
indoctrinating and sterilizing their children. They're getting them with a
1842
01:52:41.760 --> 01:52:44.439
ton of jabs, they're turning them gender queer, they're turning
1843
01:52:44.479 --> 01:52:47.359
them into all these things and doing horrible, awful things
1844
01:52:47.399 --> 01:52:51.560
that are like just non reversible. And to me, they
1845
01:52:51.680 --> 01:52:54.039
are ending their line in a lot of ways. And
1846
01:52:54.600 --> 01:52:58.079
to me, you're watching this and you're like for humans
1847
01:52:58.199 --> 01:53:00.319
to keep like, let's say that we all went that way,
1848
01:53:01.079 --> 01:53:02.800
and I think this is what they want. The only
1849
01:53:02.840 --> 01:53:06.039
way to keep humanity going at that point would be
1850
01:53:07.119 --> 01:53:11.159
a symbiosis with the robots and we'd have to start cloning.
1851
01:53:11.640 --> 01:53:14.199
And I think that's ultimately what they want. I think
1852
01:53:14.239 --> 01:53:17.079
they wanted to sterilize everyone so that you'd have to
1853
01:53:17.159 --> 01:53:19.079
go to them to create a child. You'd have to
1854
01:53:19.359 --> 01:53:22.399
pass a certain amount of tests, probably an ideological test. Yeah,
1855
01:53:22.760 --> 01:53:25.039
you know, what was your social credit score? Are you
1856
01:53:25.199 --> 01:53:28.239
obedient to the government? Okay, good, then we'll allow you
1857
01:53:28.359 --> 01:53:30.800
to have one fucking test tube baby and we're going
1858
01:53:30.840 --> 01:53:32.960
to grow it for you. You know that that sort
1859
01:53:33.000 --> 01:53:36.880
of thing. Ultimately, I think that is what I see coming.
1860
01:53:37.680 --> 01:53:42.000
But there's gonna be some real humans like us. There's
1861
01:53:42.079 --> 01:53:44.359
gonna be some people that say, fuck the robots, but
1862
01:53:44.479 --> 01:53:46.600
we're going to be authentic. But we're going to be
1863
01:53:46.640 --> 01:53:50.479
the real deal. Our DNA has not been destroyed, and
1864
01:53:51.319 --> 01:53:56.680
I think that here's another white bill. This generation, to me,
1865
01:53:57.960 --> 01:54:02.800
are the most they've been, the most indoctrinated that I've
1866
01:54:02.800 --> 01:54:07.439
ever seen. But there is a huge percentage of them
1867
01:54:07.560 --> 01:54:12.399
that are rejecting it outright. I know because I've got kids,
1868
01:54:12.560 --> 01:54:15.039
and I see my sixteen year old son, him and
1869
01:54:15.119 --> 01:54:19.079
his friends. Dude, they don't believe or buy into any
1870
01:54:19.199 --> 01:54:22.239
of it. They know its lies, they know it's bullshit.
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None of them are jabbed, none of them are are
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playing with that shit. And there's been a huge rejection
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of them, and they are a small amount, but they
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are a bigger percentage than any other generation that has
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ever been so Like, what that means is like they've
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they've looked at like the right left. That's how these
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people measure things right, like conservative to progressive right. And
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are the majority of them quote unquote progressive, yes, but
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this newest generation has the most quote unquote conservatives than
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any other generation at their age at this point, which
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is really fucking fascinating because it typically that the majority
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of people, I wouldn't say the majority, but a lot
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of people break out of their progressiveness as get older,
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to get wiser, and so it's really fascinating to see
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that there's a way bigger percentage of these people that
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are quote unquote I hate using the word conservative and
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progress right right fucking bullshit, But dude, I honestly think
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that we're going to see a radical shift and a
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radical change in this generation. Like I think they try
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too hard, and I think that they are trying too hard.
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This TikTok generation, I think are going to turn around
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and I think they're going to stab into the back.
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I don't think that they're going to have the control
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and power that they think.
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You know, this is also something we could turn this
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around into something negative. I don't like doing this, but
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this is just a consideration that we have to keep
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in the back of our minds. A possibility. Really, what
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if all the wokeness and extreme left ideologies that we've
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been seeing over the past few years have an intentional
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to a point to where it's going to get the
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other side so angry and push back so much that
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the inevitable right swing is going to occur no matter what.
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And they know this, but it's been a trap for
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the LGBTQ community, for those who get sucked into the
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extreme crazy ideologies and transhuman type of agendas, the people
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who get stuck there and are destroying their lives because
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of it and altering who and what they are because
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of it. Could it be that it was all a trap?
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So when that major swing back to the right occurs,
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it's gonna be like Nazi Germany for these people, and
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we're going to see this new totalitarian, technocratic era where
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that community is going to again be discriminate against, but
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probably far worse than they ever were before. What do
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you think about that.
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I think that that's inevitable, dude. I honestly think that
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that is exactly what's gonna happen. And it's really it
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hurts my heart because, honestly, dude, I grew up I
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grew up as a fucking hippie. I grew up as
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a fucking left left you know, with as fuck. Dude.
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I grew up in a in a in a world
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that like I ran through the trees, I was an environmentalist.
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I was like, I love gay people. My very best
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friend growing up is gay. And to me, I have
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no problem. I think that homosexuality is absolutely natural, normal,
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and I think that it's like a small percentage of
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the population just is gay. Yes, that's the thing.
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To me.
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What is unnatural is this thing that has been pushed
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into the community and pushed into reality, basically into the
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culture that maybe everybody's gay, maybe a genders on a spectrum,
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maybe you need to be amazing and that.
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You have to physically change what you are if you
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don't feel comfortable in your body.
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That's exact, dude, because it's like, hey, if you ever
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looked at a boys, but hey, maybe you're gay, but
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maybe you're not just gay, maybe you're also a lady,
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and hey, maybe you're gotta put you in a dress,
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and maybe we've gotta do a little quick snip snip,
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maybe we've gotta give you some drugs, and yeah, yeah,
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to me, it's that that, to me is the most unnatural,
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crazy thing in the world. And just this like watching
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these poor young kids because like kids are mouldible, shapeable,
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you know, And yes, I absolutely agree with you that, uh,
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what could potentially come out of this would be a
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hard jerk reaction to the opposite spectrum, and that we
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could be looking at a very hard fascist state and
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that people are going to not only embrace it, they're
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going to fucking praise it, and they're gonna be like, yes, traditions, rights, value,
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you know, our morals, our values, and we're gonna have this.
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And like, to me, that is what like pictures like
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hobbyer Malay, like where he's like, uh, where he's like
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saying like he's like, no more LGBT blah blah blah blahah,
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no more feministuff, no more to this than that. We're
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calling back here and like and like half of me
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is like, yes, that's great, you're speaking my language. But
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guess what, he's not speaking your language. He's he's a
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fucking chameleon putting on he's putting on your fucking colors
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because you think that he's on your side. He's not
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on your side, Donald Trump, Yeah, fuck those people, No, dude,
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he's not on your side. They had like, he doesn't
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care about you. None of these people care about you.
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They care about power and control. You know who worship
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You know who fucking loves Klaus Schwab, Donald Trump, He
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praised him. You know who gave like awards to He
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gave awards to Anthony Fauci. You know, like he still
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praises the Jab. He still says that was the best
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thing I did was Operation warp Speed. Guess what. All
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of these fucking freaks have way more in common with
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each other than they do with us. Reptiles. And you
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want to call him demons and you want to call
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them arcans, if you want to call him fucking mont
1973
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or if you just want to call them evil people whatever.
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Those fucking freaks are, those power control structured psychopaths. They
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have much more in common with each other than they
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do with us, and they're not your savior.
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Hell yeah, dude, these Trump worshipers are gonna get us
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in fucking trouble.
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Man.
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I'm just telling you now, you gotta watch out for
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some of these people who think Trump is the savior
1982
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and they're treating like some kind of fucking god. That
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is very disturbing to me, and I think that it
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could lead us into some same thing.
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Right.
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Yeah, these these quote unquote heroes that people have.
1987
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Yeah, it is not your friend. I'm sorry. Alex Jones
1988
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is not your friend. He might he puts on the
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fucking he puts on the fucking camouflage too. I'm sorry, buddy,
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but sold himself out.
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Yeah man, Now four is now at this point, if
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you're draping yourself in a fucking flag that is covered
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in blood, whether that be the American flag or the
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Israeli flag or even the Palestinian flag, if you're picking flags,
1995
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if we're playing a flag game, then fuck, you're not
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my friend.
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You're not my eye, right.
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Yeah, man, We've got to become aware that it's all
1999
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a theater. It's all nonsense to get us hating each
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other and to get them more power. Now, for the
2001
02:01:20.640 --> 02:01:23.239
last few minutes we have, let's get to a little
2002
02:01:23.319 --> 02:01:27.840
lighter note and get us to some unfolding high strangeness
2003
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that's occurring. Is it just me or does it seem
2004
02:01:30.720 --> 02:01:35.880
like there is not only more people experiencing unexplained phenomena,
2005
02:01:36.680 --> 02:01:42.720
witnessing UFOs, extraterrestrials, ghosts, spirits, but that these things are
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02:01:43.000 --> 02:01:46.680
seeping their way through to the mainstream media and there's
2007
02:01:46.720 --> 02:01:50.880
more and more stories coming out about them. Whether they're
2008
02:01:51.199 --> 02:01:55.840
manipulated stories or they're true, there's probably a mix of everything,
2009
02:01:56.119 --> 02:02:01.000
because confusion is the desired result. But other hand, we're
2010
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still seeing a lot of this high strain is unfold
2011
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and I'm wondering, is it just because we have access
2012
02:02:07.359 --> 02:02:11.319
to the internet and we have access to more information
2013
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and more people are sharing it. Are more people having
2014
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the strange experience? What do you think?
2015
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Well, I'll tell you what I think that there are
2016
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what the fuck is this high strangeness? What is it
2017
02:02:25.680 --> 02:02:28.000
that we are experiencing? Because I can tell you that
2018
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I've experienced it myself. I grew up in a very
2019
02:02:33.239 --> 02:02:35.840
I guess, I guess you could call it mystical thinking,
2020
02:02:36.000 --> 02:02:37.680
like the way that I grew up up as a
2021
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Pentecostal Christian, and I grew up believing that absolutely that
2022
02:02:43.000 --> 02:02:45.239
the wars that we are in were not flesh and blood,
2023
02:02:45.279 --> 02:02:48.199
but they are of the spirit. It was very spiritual war,
2024
02:02:48.439 --> 02:02:50.640
and that we could interact and we could fight in
2025
02:02:50.640 --> 02:02:54.000
these spiritual battles, but we could do it through the spirit. Right,
2026
02:02:54.159 --> 02:02:56.439
So like I was taught to lay hands on people,
2027
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I was taught to like cast out demons, I was
2028
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taught to do all these and like to heal people.
2029
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And I've seen radical things happen in front of me
2030
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that I can't explain. And so I'll throw that into
2031
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the whole high strangeness mix. I'll say that that's part
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of whatever is going on, man, because I see the
2033
02:03:16.319 --> 02:03:20.199
people that are talking, They're so easy to make fun
2034
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of that like talking the love light language to go
2035
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and like and like and you know, and but then
2036
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I'm like, all right, I'm giggling at them. But I was, like,
2037
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I speak in tongues, you know, Like what are we
2038
02:03:35.039 --> 02:03:37.720
doing here? Like, am I speaking love light language the
2039
02:03:37.800 --> 02:03:39.840
same as them? Like people?
2040
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You know? Like?
2041
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And I still do, Dude. I lay hands on people
2042
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and I speak in tongues and it's it's an inf thing.
2043
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And you know, I've changed the idea of what I
2044
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necessarily think even Jesus was and or what God is,
2045
02:03:55.359 --> 02:03:57.079
and I still do it. Why is that, Like I
2046
02:03:57.199 --> 02:03:59.560
still I go to a church. I'll get up there
2047
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and and I I still go up there, and I'm
2048
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kind of like an associate pastor at my church.
2049
02:04:05.640 --> 02:04:08.600
And I tell you what I grew up Catholic. If
2050
02:04:08.720 --> 02:04:12.039
I am in a situation where I say, I'm having
2051
02:04:12.079 --> 02:04:16.159
a plant medicine experience and I encounter a negative, nefarious
2052
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entity that I cannot trimute with love, the only thing
2053
02:04:20.279 --> 02:04:23.039
I'm gonna do is say, in the name of Jesus Christ,
2054
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I banish you, and that thing boom takes off. And
2055
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I have a completely different perspective of God than I
2056
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did as a child. But it's still a thing that
2057
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works because it's like a law of the universe. This energy,
2058
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this Christ is Jesus energy has power to destroy evil.
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Dude. It's fascinating to me too, because like There's this
2060
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meme that just popped up the other day and I
2061
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laughed my ass off. It was like this like fat
2062
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guy with titties and he's like sitting there and he's
2063
02:04:52.439 --> 02:04:54.760
like he's got like the Netflix and like a trans
2064
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flag behind him, and he's like and it says atheists
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on him, and he's like, well, you know what I mean.
2066
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It's just like he goes, which God do you think
2067
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is real? And the guy behind him goes the God
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that you hate?
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You know.
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It is fascinating. It's always one god that they hate
2071
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so much. There's only like they'll embrace Islam, they'll embrace
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like Buddhism, they'll embrace any other fucking religion, but one,
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you know. And I'm not saying like you have to
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be a Christian, you have to you know, Like I'm
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not one of those guys. I'm not one of those dudes.
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And I'm not going to preach to you unless you
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come to my church on Saturday, then you can come
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in and listen to my sermon. But honestly, I think
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that God, there is one God. I believe that there
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is one God, and I think that honestly, this is
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where people yell at me and tell me I'm not
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a real Christian, and I'm like, okay, that's fine. I
2083
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think there's a million different ways that you can connect
2084
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to that one God. I think that there are people
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that are connecting to that that God that aren't Christians.
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I think that you can find that creator. There's one creator.
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There's one good God, goodness, godliness. There's that one God
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that we are all focusing on, and they seem to
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be that one God that that a certain demographic hate,
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and that to me is the real God. And I
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du that to me is so fascinating because even as
2092
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when I was my goofball, my titty atheist with a
2093
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pride flag on, uh, there was when I was scared,
2094
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when I felt a demonic oppression, a demonic like like
2095
02:06:28.840 --> 02:06:32.199
whatever you want to call that, experiences like there. You know,
2096
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even as an atheist, I would call out in the
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name of Jesus and guess what that thing would flee?
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You know.
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It is interesting, dude, It is interesting. But as far
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as high strangeness being more happening more often now right now,
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I think that some of it is fake. I think
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some of it is fake. As far as I think
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the things that we are seeing in the media, the
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things that we're seeing in the mainstream that like the
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like the aliens at the Miami Mall, or you know
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what I mean. Like, I don't know, maybe there was
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something to that. I have no idea, but I think
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that when you're gonna see big mainstream coverage of something,
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it's gonna be fake and it's going to be controlled opposition.
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But here's what I think. I think more things are happening. So, like,
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if you want to call this end times, I don't
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know that. It does seem to me that something is happening.
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It does seem to me that there is some sort
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of like a crescendo coming. I feel it that, like
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there is a spiritual awakening that you could even call it.
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So I don't I don't know if that means that
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there's end times, but some shift is happening, something, something
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is changing in our reality.
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There's definitely gonna be an end of some time and
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a beginning of another.
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That's what I've been yeah, exactly. So I'm not saying
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when I say an end time, I don't mean like
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we're all gonna die. But something is gonna change, something
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is gonna happen. And if we are eternal beings, we're
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not gonna die anyways. It just it's gonna be a
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shift and things are going to fucking it could be
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way better, who knows, could be way worse. I don't know.
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But what I will say is that, like, I've experienced
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spiritual things happening in my reality that I can't explain.
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Even on our weird little ghost adventures, we've interacted with
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like intelligent beings that I'm like, what the fuck is that?
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When you start asking him questions and they answer back
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like like we're using like a spirit box or something,
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And when they start like answering you in sentences, I'm like,
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what the fuck like? And I'm skeptical as fuck. I
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don't believe in ghosts most of the time, and it
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scares me and I don't like it. So is there
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something spiritually woo woo that's coming? I think that it's possible.
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But here's the thing is that I think the people
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that are in charge, that arek on whatever you want
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to call the power structure, knows that it's coming to
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and they're trying to control it, and I don't think
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that they can. So I think that is what this
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big disclosure is about. I think that's what this whole like, uh,
2145
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this whole thing in the media, they're going to try
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to tell you what aliens are because they don't want
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you to know what it is. Yeah, whatever's coming, man,
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I don't know what that hell's coming. Man, I don't
2149
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know what these what these UFO I've experienced it, have
2150
02:09:18.880 --> 02:09:21.600
had these orb experiences where these like orbs have come
2151
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from the sky, you know, and and I felt like
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a intelligence presence from it, And what what the hell
2153
02:09:28.960 --> 02:09:31.319
is that? Man? I don't think that that was a
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government drone?
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Right?
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I think that, Uh.
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I think we're dealing with a lot of things that
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even our government does not understand what they're dealing with.
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I think even the blackest of black projects, where these
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scientists believe they have an understanding of these intelligences, I
2161
02:09:51.039 --> 02:09:53.199
don't think they know shit about what they're dealing with.
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02:09:53.680 --> 02:09:55.720
I think they know what they've been told. If they're
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02:09:55.800 --> 02:10:00.079
interacting with these intelligences, they're probably being used in in
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some way. And I don't think it's going to be
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possible for us as humans to ever figure out these
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02:10:06.880 --> 02:10:10.079
mysteries because I think they're supposed to be mysteries for us.
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02:10:10.159 --> 02:10:15.039
I think there's supposed to be something that metaphysically leads
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us on our path and keeps us going in one
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direction or the other. And these polarities, like I was
2170
02:10:22.520 --> 02:10:25.399
saying earlier, we bounce off them, we learn from them,
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02:10:26.039 --> 02:10:29.520
and they all have something to teach us. It's just
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what are we going to gravitate towards and what are
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02:10:33.079 --> 02:10:35.680
we going to embrace the light or the darkness. I
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think that's what it's all about.
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Yeah, dude, you become your reality, You become your thoughts,
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what you focus on becomes who you are. So it's like,
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to me, this sounds like what you allow your mind
2178
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to dwell on becomes your reality, becomes your perspective and
2179
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becomes who you are. So like, if you are one
2180
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of those people that are like obsessed with like dark
2181
02:11:01.319 --> 02:11:04.399
imagery and you just start like I think that you
2182
02:11:04.439 --> 02:11:07.880
can turn yourself into a fucking psycho. Everything is about
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02:11:08.359 --> 02:11:12.199
Everything is about what you allow your heart to dwell on. Yes, yeah,
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02:11:12.239 --> 02:11:16.199
absolutely one, dude. And so to me, focus on the light,
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02:11:16.920 --> 02:11:20.039
focus on love, Focus on the people around you that
2186
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make you feel love, Like if that's your mom. So
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I'm sorry, man, Some some folks have a shitty mom, right,
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you know. I mean like you might have a shitty
2189
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family structure, and it's going to be a little harder
2190
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for you. So you know what the journey, you know,
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But I think that you were put in this place.
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To me, to me, every single person was intelligently designed.
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Every single of us has chosen the role that we
2194
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are in. I think that we are in a specific place,
2195
02:11:45.600 --> 02:11:47.960
in a special place, and that each one of us
2196
02:11:48.039 --> 02:11:51.680
have challenges that we need to overcome, and some of
2197
02:11:51.760 --> 02:11:54.039
us were given a harder deck to and it sucks.
2198
02:11:54.159 --> 02:11:56.760
But to me, it's like that just means you're a
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02:11:56.800 --> 02:12:00.560
stronger person. You don't know it yet, but to me,
2200
02:12:00.720 --> 02:12:03.239
you are a stronger person. These challenges that we're given
2201
02:12:03.279 --> 02:12:06.520
to you are for you to overcome, and I think
2202
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that you are a stronger person. People that have had
2203
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like some of these terrible things that have happened in
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their lives and it is up to you to become
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your own superhero man. You are your own hero. This
2206
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is your hero's journey. And I say, be brave, be strong,
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be bold, be beautiful.
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Hell yeah, man with love. That was a perfect note
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to end on.
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Brother.
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This was great information. I had a blast. Can't wait
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to do it again. Before you take off, remind the
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audience where they can find realities, ours and all your
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wonderful content.
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Absolutely, man, we're doing some fun stuff. We got some
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interesting guests that we got coming on. We just have
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interesting conversations. That's all we do. One day we're gonna
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be talking about politics, or one day we're gonna be
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talking about interdimensional sasquatch, or we're gonna be talking about
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like just bizarre, like reintricate like weaving of reality. We're
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And I have my wonderful co host, Thomas aka the
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journey where we go and explore different aspects of reality
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in the universe. We just have fun, man, and we
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have interesting guests on with the interesting perspectives. We try
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not to have agendas because we just kind of want
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to have the conversation flow. That's what we do. So
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