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Today.
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I want to welcome back to the show Preston Dinnitt.
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He first began investigating UFOs in nineteen eighty six after
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learning his family, friends, and coworkers were having encounters. Since then,
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he's interviewed hundreds of people and investigated a wide variety
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of cases. He's written over twenty nine books and more
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than one hundred articles about UFOs and the pair normal.
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He is a frequent guest on radio and TV, and
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speaks across the United States. Preston, welcome back. How you doing.
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I'm doing good, Chris doing pretty well. How are you?
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I'm excellent. It's great to have you back. I'm very
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much looking forward to the upcoming event that we're going
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to be a part of May fifteen through twentieth, the
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Befriending Bigfoot Excursion in Blairsville, Georgia. This is put on
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buy our friend Brandon Thomas of Expanding Reality, and everyone
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listening should go to the website expandingrealitypodcast dot com slash
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events to find out more about all of this and
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get your tickets. We're looking forward to this. It's going
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to be a good time. And today we have Preston.
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I wanted to get your insights, Preston, and thoughts about
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the high strangeness surrounding Bigfoot and other cryptis that seemed
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to have profound connections to extraterrestrial phenomena based on all
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of the eyewitnesses and experiences that people have been reporting
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on this show. So it's pretty incredible how this could
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possibly connect. We're going to get into that, but before
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we do, it's been a little while since you've been on.
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Remind the audience a little bit about yourself and your work.
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Oh gosh, Well, yeah, I've been in this field of
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UFOs and the paranormal and cryptozoology for a pretty long time.
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I got involved in nineteen eighty six, when I found
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out that my family, co workers and friends were having
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experiences and not just UFOs but all kinds of paranormal stuff.
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Became a move on and field investigator. A year or
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two later, started writing articles, reading every book I could find,
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joining every organization, and it just kind of snowballed from there.
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I wrote articles for about ten years doing research, put
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out my first book in nineteen ninety six, and been
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putting out pretty much one per year since then, mostly
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on UFOs, but a couple on Bigfoot, one on levitation,
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some on ghosts. Talk about the experiences, I mean, you
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name it, I've explored it certainly. So yeah, I mean,
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as you know that all these subjects are connected to
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some degree. Just this field has got rabbit hole after
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rabbit hole and layers and layers to it. So it's
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endlessly fascinating.
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Just and that's what keeps me going is it seems
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the more I learn, the less I really know about this,
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and there's always another layer to peel through to try
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and understand what's going on. Now. I understand you've had
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some personal experiences with Bigfoot. I'd love to hear about them.
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Yeah, you know, Bigfoot was one of the subjects I
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really resisted jumping into because I had explored ghosts and
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you know, life after death and the OBEs and levitation.
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But I'm like, gosh, bigfoot. That sounds like a can
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of worms to me. I have a sneaking suspicion it's real,
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because you would hear a lot of reports. I'm not
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going to go there yet. I'm not ready. And at
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one point I had to because I had a taste
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come to my way involving a gentleman who had a
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ufo land in his backyard. The next day a bigfoot
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showed up, and that was followed by a sort of
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outbreak of poltergeist activity, and that's how I got pulled
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into researching Bigfoot. Very quickly found out of course, it's real,
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as I suspected, and I mean, the evidence is overwhelming,
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absolutely conclusive. It's not just hearsay and eyewitness testimony. The
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foot prince, and I mean, it just goes on as
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you know. I'm sure. And I eventually did have my
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own experiences because I'm the kind of researcher who well,
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I love to interview people and read books about it,
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and I do I want to see it. I want
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to experience it myself, because you can then move from
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belief to experiential knowledge, you know. And I so wanted
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that bigfoot just didn't seem like a possibility because I
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lived pretty much in La So I found out there's
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a lot of bigfoot in the La National Forest. It's
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a huge hotspot. I found that out with that first case,
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which was in Kenyon Country bordering the La National Forest,
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which has like a half million acres, so it's a
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pretty wild area. And then I got another report from
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a lady who lived on the other side and acted
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on the north side of the La National Forest. And
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mind you, this is just I mean, she was maybe
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two or three miles off a major freeway, the fourteen Freeway,
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which is you know, basically the five Freeway running up
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through California, and she's like, I'm having big foot encounters.
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She's a contact tee as well, so there was that
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weird connection again. And I'm like, well, what do you
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mean you're having a big foot encounters? She says, well,
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you know, I think you know, she felt like she
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was in telepathic contact with it and it was really
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showing itself to her. She could hear it, she could
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smell it. She saw it face to face a couple
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of times. Probably the most dramatic time was she was
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in her home and looked outside and saw it, and
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so did her roommate. It came right up to his
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window and looked at it, and so did her son,
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who was like five years old. He's like, my mom,
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the monkey man was in the tree. So I went
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over there and I saw the tree. It cracked a
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branch about this thick. I saw alleged footprints. I mean,
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you couldn't really see them, but they were depressions in
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the ground. And so she had multiple witnesses, is what
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I'm saying. It's not just her saying this, and she
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had experience after experience. She could hear it screaming that
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would drive the animals crazy in her neighborhood. There was
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lots of horses around there. She said, it would scream
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like a woman being murdered. Egh pitched out in the wash.
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By this point, I had many books on the subject,
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and this is what really got me to dive deeper
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into it. I'm like, yeah, they do that. They also
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are really well known for throwing rocks at people. She
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woke up one night to hearing this thump on the roof.
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She's like, oh gosh, what's it doing? And she didn't
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want to go outside. And when she woke up in
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the morning there was a bold, a large boulder on
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her roof. It took three men to get it off.
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She's like, that big quot is, what did it? I'm like, yeah, probably.
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She's like, I know where it lives. I can show
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you where it lives because I'm didn't tell about the
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contact with it. I know it lives in these caverns
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or caves down in this valley here, not far from
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my house. Would you come up and we can take
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a look. Of course, you know. She was a good friend.
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She now lives in Australia. Still in touch with her.
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She doesn't want her real name to be used, so
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I call her Wendy. But I drove up to her
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house and it was towards evening and she's like, yeah,
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let's go. So we packed up all our camera and
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sound equipment and drove down this dirt road near her house.
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It was about two or three miles from her house,
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but deeper into the forest and it was a little
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dirt road by the time we got to it, and
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there's there's this very steep valley mark canyon, I guess
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would be a better way to describe it. And rising
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up to this really steep mountain, I mean forty five
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degree angle, covered thick with brush which was probably, I
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don't know, eight feet thick. And I was like, well, gosh,
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She's like, this is where it lives. I'm telling you,
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it's coming from here. I don't know how far deep
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down this canyon it goes. This is where it's coming
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out from. And it was just dusk when we arrived,
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so the stars were not quite out yet but just
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starting to come out. And I was driving. I pulled
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the car over on the stirt road and she's pointing.
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She's like, it lives over there. I'm like, okay, well,
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let's get out our equipment. And I mean, we had
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just arrived, right, And I got out of the driver's
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seat and I stood in front of the car, and
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I was just surveilling the scene, like, Okay, there's the canyon,
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there's her house several miles this way, and here's just
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just looking around. And she went got out of the
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right passenger side and opened the back seat and was
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pulling out the sound equipment and the camera equipment, and
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that's when something roared really loud, and honestly, it was
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so loud I couldn't believe it that I thought maybe
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there was a jet or a plane coming overhead. There wasn't,
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because I looked up and there was nothing there. But
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this ror was just sweeping over you for about twenty
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thirty seconds. Now I knew instantly this wasn't a bear.
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I've got every book on bears, I watch all the
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bear shows. I love bears. I've been to the zoo.
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I heard a lion roar right next to me. I
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knew it wasn't that. As a kid, we grew up
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next to cougars. A guy had pet cougar's in a cage,
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and I would hear that thing roaring all the time.
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Knew it wasn't that. So this was something that had
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a multi tonal qualities to it, which some high pitch,
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some really low almost sub I'm not sure what the
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word is, but really deep levels that you are almost
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beyond your level of hearing. I mean it was rumbling
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in your chest.
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Yeah, I've heard that, and I've heard that they can
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mimic the sound of a baby crying. Have you heard
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this before.
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Yeah, they do whistles. If you look into primates terrifying.
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They can make all kinds of sounds that are They're
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really good at it. And I'm like okay, and it stopped,
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and Wendy looks at me, and she is white. She
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is petrified because she tells me, you know, I'm afraid
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this thing is trying to kidnap me. I'm like Wendy
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that they don't do that. Of course I later found
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out they do. There are a number of cases of
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big foot kidnapping. Yeah, I mean not just a few.
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There's twenty thirty well documented cases of men and women
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and children and babies, and this does happen.
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I'm going to have to hear about some of these.
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Have in any of these cases, do these people go
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permanently missing?
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Well, it's hard to say for sure, because yeah, there's
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a lot of people do go permanently missing in national
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parks and areas of high big foot activity. But twenty
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or thirty have you know, escaped or come back or
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were let go. Albert Austman is a very well known
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case of a gentleman who says he was picked up
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and basically, I don't want to say held captive. But yeah,
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there's another case of a Native American woman. There's a
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case involving two men who are out hunting and a
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big foot came running up, grabbed him and carried him
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off into the wilderness for you know, four or mile
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before dropping them off. I mean, there's case after case
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after case of this well known in Native American oral
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tradition that they would lift the tp up and steal babies.
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So this is nothing new to anyone who's done their
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bigfoot research. I was still a little bit new to
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it at the time.
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That's interesting. So do you think that just like us humans,
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there are bad Bigfoot and good Bigfoot, and some that
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may not have good intentions towards humans and some that do.
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What do you think.
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I'm not going to go as far as to sit
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that Bigfoot is evil, because if you go through the
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literature and boy have I there's one or two cases
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where people have been quote viciously attacked. I think there's
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one possible case of people being killed, which was very
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early on and appears to be completely legitimate, but it
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can be very hostile and very scary. There's a case
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in California where people are in their cabin and it
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ransacked the cabin. Chase them out, and if you go
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into its territory, it can be very territorial, and we'll
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throw rocks right at your head, missing it by that much.
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I mean, they're very good at throwing very large rocks,
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and they can scare the daylights out of you. They
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seem to have. This gets into the paranormal aspect of it,
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and I'm a big believer in this because I've heard
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personal accounts and I've read quite a bit. It's apparent
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that they can telepathically link up with you and impose
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fear in a way that you can walk, be fine,
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and then suddenly just this dread comes over you. People
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you know, person after a person describes this and it's
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so bad they can't take another step. I mean, they're
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paralyzed with fear for no apparent reason. So it's more
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than just well, gosh, I heard something stepping around and
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they can make sounds and you don't see them. They
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have the ability. This is my assessment based on multiple
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cases people I've talked to personally to turn invisible, and
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I mean they're very psychic.
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Is it that they're turning invisible? Are they changing our
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perception or are they somehow changing their molecular structure. What
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do you think is happening there.
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I don't think they're changing their molecular structure. I'm not
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sure that they're imposing any hallucinations on a person so
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much as slipping into the fourth dimension. And if you
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look into it, quote invisibility, it's connected to levitation. By
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the way, there are several accounts of people that we
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would call saints or Yogi's or enlightened masters who have
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achieved that ability to turn invisible and they appear and
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levitate and teleport. This is a psychic ability. This is
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a natural you know, we call it supernatural paranormal, but
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that's just because we don't understand it. But we can
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do this, and so can they. Any entity who's psychically
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evolved has the ability to do all of these things,
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whether it's precognition or healing, or after projection or remote feeling,
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or levitation or invisibility. So I don't want to say
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that they're shape shifting or anything like this, even though
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there are accounts of that. I don't know, but it's
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apparent to me that they're very psychically evolved, have been
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around forever as long as we have on this planet.
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There's been a lot of speculation there, ets and so forth.
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But let me just go backpedal here a little bit
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and complete my own encounter. Yeah, to the end of that,
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because you know, Wendy's there, She's white as a sheet.
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She's like, oh my god, did you I'm like, what
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do you mean? Did I hear that? She's like, it's here.
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I'm like, yeah, I think it is, but I was trying.
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I'm like, where the heck is it? Because this sounded
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close and then the darn thing roared again, and then
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you know what, I can kind of triangulate it because
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I'm like, oh my gosh, you know, turning my head.
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It was down in that bully or canyon which went
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straight down and then straight back up. But it was close.
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I mean, I'm gonna say three hundred yards about one
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thousand feet away, maybe less. By this point, it's pretty
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dark in that gold I mean you can't really see anything,
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but it was close. And when it roared that second
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time again, like thirty seconds long, which is such an
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experience because it waves over you, you know, and you're
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getting chills, like, wow, that's different. And I go running
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towards it because I want to see it, and she
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when I did that, Wendy lost her mind.
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What are you doing?
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We're leaving now, stop get back? What are you doing?
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And she, I mean, she was hysterical, and I really
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wanted to see it. For whatever reason, stupid or not,
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I wasn't. I don't have fear of this whatever. You know,
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what better way to die than being assaulted by a
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big but I don't. I've had out of my experience
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because I know there's life after death. I wanted to
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see it. Yeah, but she had completely lost her mind.
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Now she says it roared three times. At that point,
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I was pretty much trained myself to be a trained
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observer and make note of everything I experienced, so I'm
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pretty sure it was twice. Maybe she's right, because I
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was distracted by her screaming. And by that point, I
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mean she had thrown the equipment back in the car,
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slammed it within the front seat, and screaming at me
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from the window. We get in here now. So I
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had to okay, you know, whatever you want to call it, pitulate,
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I eat her and just said okay, I'm fine, and
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I walked. We'll walk very quickly back to the car
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because she was really afraid, and we drove off, and
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that was my first one. I would later have another encounter,
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but man, oh man, oh man, she that was something
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I will never forget. I heard. I'm absolutely one convinced
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I heard a big foot. And yeah, I think. I
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think they're all over the place. I mean, we know this.
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They're in every state pretty much all every area around
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the world has their own name for it, even you know, Australia, Russia, Africa.
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They're different, you know, some describing it as being very
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much human, like Chromagnon or Neanderthal. I'm not sure they
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ever went extinct. I'm really not, because.
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They seem to have profound connections to what we are
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in certain ways. But it's like, because we have evolved
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in a different way with technology and the material world,
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and we have pretty much lost a lot of our
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connection to what these beings are still connected to and
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always have been. So I think that there's something that
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is a connection to what we are there. They're more
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human than we than we realize.
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Basically, I think they're absolutely sentient, intelligent. They might not
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many reports of them using a language. We don't have
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reports of them, you know, basically using tools and building houses.
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There's big foot nests, of course, but yeah, some people
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who have had pounds described their face looks human, though
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perhaps with some attributes that are towards no cmates but
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one sentient but different. There's so many variations. I mean,
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there's the Sasquatch in northern California, which can get up
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to twelve feet in some of these reports, I think
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it's hard to estimate sometimes because there are people who
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say it's even taller than that. I'm not so sure, but.
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Yeah, I've heard people say that they've seen them up
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to fifteen foot are more hard to imagine, but there.
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Are giants, you know, in the history of our planet. Yeah,
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that's absolutely something I don't think we can fully discount.
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But having interviewed a lot of people who you know,
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describe UFOs and it was like one hundred feet over
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her head and you go there and you're looking, well,
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it's probably closer to three hundred. Estimating something that you
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don't know how far away it is or how big
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it is is very difficult. But there are so many
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accounts of these things and absolutely very human looking in
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some and people say, well, how can this possibly be?
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You know, where are the bodies? How Come no one's
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ever been able to produce a body? Well, if you
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look into that they have and they are off. I mean,
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this evidence is snatched up in the same manner that
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UFO evidence is, and you can trace a lot of
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these to the Smithsonian Museum or various private collectors. But
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there there's a case after case of people who've you know,
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gotten hold of a big foot body there. And the
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evidence is more more than just footprints. I mean, of
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course there's the bigfoot nests, there's scat and hair samples,
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there's a lot of genetic testing, and there's all kinds
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of really unusual genetics going on here. The problem being
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we don't have a baseline, we don't have a lot
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of that. Well, we know this is a sasquatch, So
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it's really that's where I think there's a lot of questioning.
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And there seemingly also a known cover up. I've heard
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of the quote unquote big footmen in black, these shady
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gentlemen that show up after people have an ex experience
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and either tell them that they saw a bear or
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that not to talk about these things. And like you said,
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I've heard of people who actually have discovered bigfoot bodies,
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but soon after someone or something comes in and does
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a cleanup and it's all it disappears. Have you heard
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about this, Yeah.
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To some extent, I haven't really heard that term big
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footmen in black, but yeah, there's no doubt a cover
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up and if you look.
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Yeah.
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I was big into anthropology in college, and it was
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really interesting because they never really mentioned bigfoot, of course,
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which is surprising to me because it's a big part
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of what anthropology should be. But they certainly was controversies
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all over the place about our own origins. They kept
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pushing the age of modern humans back each year that
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I was in college. It's like, by the time I
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finished college, they're like, well, it's at least or forty thousand. No. No,
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of course, if you read like gosh, what's that guy's name?
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Forbidden Archaeology by Michael Kremo, Yeah, oh man, that was
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a wake up calm. This is the book that they
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should be teaching in college, because you'll see that evidence
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that doesn't fit the mainstream theory is tossed or covered up,
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and it's ridiculous. That's not true science. I was horrified
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by the time I finished college, like, well, these guys
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are not doing science in a legitimate way and to
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ignore the account.
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Well, that's becoming more and more apparent, and I'm grateful
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that more people are starting to see what you just
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said is very true. So that's encouraging what we're experiencing. Now.
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Now I want to hear about your other bigfoot encounter.
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All right, this one is a little less dramatic, but
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certainly thrilling for me. I had decided. You know, my
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brother and his best friend, my brother Steve and his
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best friend Neil, love to go hiking and mountain biking,
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and we're always doing and we're dragging me along because
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I loved it too, not as much as them. They
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do one hundred mile biking, and when they start doing that,
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I'm like, okay, I'm stopping. This is too much for me.
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But you know, in La there's I think it's Mount Baldy, Yeah,
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Mount Baldy. No, it's Mount Baldy, which is just outside
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of La Beautiful area. And people don't realize how much
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wilderness there is around us. We're largely as humanity, you know,
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lives very clustered in cities and coastlines. Most of Earth
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is still wilderness, it really is. And there's this huge
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wilderness area you have to drive about an hour outside
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of quote LA, the megalopolis of La, and there's Mount
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Baldy and it's got this beautiful river and all these
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trails that lead up. Of course, then being that crazy
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backpacker hikers they are, they want to go on the
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less used, you know, higher peaks that nobody goes to.
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Like fine, I nearly died and I actually they took
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me on a trail that was this why and it
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was a cliff. I was terrific. I was so mad
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at them, Like Neil in particulars like it's see easy,
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there's no cliffs because he had done this. I'm fine
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as long as there's no cliffs. There was a cliff
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and it was a mile long trail Chris crossing up
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the mountain that I had nightmares afterwards. You know, I
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don't have fear of heights until that I did that.
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I'm so mad. It was my birthday. I'm like, I'm
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gonna die on my birthday. Okay, but that's another hure.
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There people die in that mountain every year. I looked
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it up. I'm like I told you guys, this is
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like it's not yeah, two or three people die every
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year they get lost. It's a huge wilderness area. Really
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beautiful though, and pretty crowded at the base, but not
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at all once you get up towards these trails that
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people don't take because you'd have to be mad man
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to do it, and they're crazy. My brother and you know,
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and they took me there. But before you know, there's
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the ranger station. You have to get your little tags
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and stuff to park and so forth. And I looked
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and like, oh, yeah, there's big foot here. There's several accounts.
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I'm like, go oh, I'm going to keep an eye
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out because you never know. And we, you know, you
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reach a point of the trail where everyone else stops
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and turns around. Of course we're not. We're gonna go up.
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We're like six or seven thousand feet at this point,
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and I'm like huffing him, pop, oh, oh gosh, we
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need to reach the eight thousand foot peak. There's nobody there,
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just us. Everyone stopped about three or four miles back,
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and I couldn't make it because there was one more
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mile to the peak and I'm just out of breath.
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This is too hard for me. I'm like, I'm gonna
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stay here, or I'll keep walking, and you guys can
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go on, come on, come on, just keep walking. I'm like,
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I'll keep walking. But I wasn't really, I was just
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kind of stepping very slowly because I'm not gonna do
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this if it's unpleasant, you know, why am I doing this?
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So off they went and my brother, because Neil is
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the crazy one. He hikes like I'm crazy, man, He's
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got all this energy. My brother had gone a little
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bit farther and he starts doing wood knocking. Now, if
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you watch Bigfoot shows, he doesn't believe in Bigfoot, and
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neither they don't believe those their skeptics. But if you
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watch these shows, you know Bigfoot does well, you know,
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knocking on trees with sticks. Tom, that's one of the
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ways they communicate. And my brother was doing this. Uh
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you know, I thought, you know, I didn't see him
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doing it, but he went around the trail and I
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could hear him and he's throwing these rocks at trees
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and knocking on the tree. I'm like, oh, you know this,
472
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And I thought myself, this is how you communicate with Bigfoot.
473
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And right after he does this, you know, there's worth
474
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the top of the mountain. It goes down into absolute
475
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wilderness on the other side, no people there. I heard
476
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:16.960
a response, knock, knock, knock knock. He did it, knock knock, clock, knock, knock, knock, knock.
477
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:22.079
I'm like, oh, and I mean this is you know,
478
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my assessment thing was that, yeah, this is something foot responding.
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That's what it sounded like to me. I didn't tell
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them because, yeah, you know, I already looked like a
481
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:35.000
crazy man to them with the UFOs and the bigfoot
482
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and odd about experiences and all the stuff that I'm
483
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you know, already known for. So I didn't go there
484
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:46.720
with them. But I did do my research and found
485
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:50.680
several bigfoot encounters in that exact area.
486
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I want to get your insights into the other side
487
00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:01.680
of these experiences, in these encounters where people are seemingly
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forming relationships with these beings. I heard that there are
489
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some groups of researchers that have actually not only made contact,
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but still make frequent contact. I don't remember the guests
491
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:20.960
that was telling me about this, but there is apparently
492
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:26.880
this clandestine group of bigfoot researchers that has made contact
493
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with a group of bigfoot in the wilderness, and they
494
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:35.519
keep it very secret and they regularly go out and
495
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commune with these creatures. Have you heard anything like this?
496
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Certainly there's quite a few accounts, and people are very
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much private about it because I think they want to
498
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:50.559
protect the bigfoot. Kawani Lapsarritis I think that's his name,
499
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wrote a book about his own experiences which are very
500
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spiritual and psychic and paranormal. Yeah, case after case of
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people forming relationships are in the literature. And while yeah,
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00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:07.720
sometimes bigfoot will attack and there's people who are driving
503
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down the road and one guy I remember, bigfoot came
504
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:12.519
up to his truck and grabbed him and tried to
505
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:15.279
pull him out, and it's like ah, and people being
506
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:19.240
chased and all kinds of pretty you know, scary, honest
507
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:24.119
to god scary stuff where they're hands down hostile, not killing,
508
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:27.680
not hurting, but scaring the pants off of you. But
509
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:33.440
others that are very much a relationship. One lady had
510
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a big foot and she would put out fish and
511
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vegetables and it would bring back animals for her. And
512
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I know of many cases like that. There was a
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case because I wrote a book about this and This
514
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.480
case sticks out in my mind where these people were
515
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:50.480
having a big foot, so they started leaving fruit on
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00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:53.359
the picnic table for it and it would take it.
517
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:55.480
And one day they forgot to do it. Well, that
518
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:58.680
bigfoot was mad. It came and started banging in their
519
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:00.359
cab and like, where's my fruit?
520
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:02.319
Yeah?
521
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So yeah, people, I've heard of cases where people have
522
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:11.079
been given crystals and really cool things like that, a
523
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.920
lot of cases where people have been rescued. One guy
524
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:16.519
had a tree fall on him and a big foot
525
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:20.559
came and lifted it off. I personally interviewed three people
526
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:25.599
who got lost in southern California, in the Julian area
527
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:30.359
where there's lots of a national forest there. And these
528
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:32.720
are military folks, you know, they normally don't get lost,
529
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:35.240
they're pretty used to it. Could not find their way out.
530
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:38.599
It was very foggy, and this bigfoot, you know, they
531
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:41.039
never saw it, but they could hear it walking ahead
532
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:44.519
of them, and they had this weird telepathic link. It
533
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:47.519
wants us to follow it, and it took them right
534
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:53.799
to a rug. Absolutely convinced to this. And a little
535
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:57.319
girl was bit by a snake. Bigfoot picked her up
536
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:02.359
and carried her to camp. There's many cases of absolutely
537
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:05.839
benevolent bigfoot and it's really a heartwarming and just the
538
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:09.799
coolest thing to know that these guys are out there
539
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:15.079
and they're very much linking up telepathically with people and
540
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:20.160
helping in many many cases. Some people have in their
541
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:24.519
backyard and they see them regularly. And if you look
542
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:28.240
at the photographic evidence, it's very controversial these days with
543
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:33.640
photoshop and CGI, but man, oh man, it's.
544
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:39.319
What kind of physical evidence have you heard about? What's
545
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:42.720
some of the most profound things besides the imprints and
546
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the footprints. And I know that they have been accounts
547
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:50.880
of hair samples being found, but what else, What other
548
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:55.000
type of physical evidence has been presented for these beings.
549
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:59.000
Yeah, it's very much like UFOs. It's kind of circles
550
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:02.559
around whole phenomenon. I mean there's pictures and there's hair
551
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:07.200
samples and footprints. I think the footprint evidence is probably
552
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:13.039
the most widespread, you know, the most prolific, the most
553
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:16.400
convincing because there's dermal ridges and you can tell the
554
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:19.840
weight of something, and super hard to fake because you
555
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:24.159
can't really use the flat wood prints and make a
556
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:30.199
convincing footstep. Any anthropologists can tell pretty quickly. And another
557
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.960
problem with that is you know their stride length is
558
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:37.840
about double of a humans. And there's a really interesting
559
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:42.719
case of old cripplefoot what's the big foot's nickname, because
560
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.800
you could tell it had a limp and they followed it.
561
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:48.440
There were footprints that went for almost a mile right
562
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:52.760
over this barbed wire fence, which was super hard to
563
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:55.719
fake with this stride length going for so long, right
564
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:58.719
into a lake or you know, up a mountain and
565
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:02.599
just and the footprint evidence. I think another type of
566
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:10.159
evidence that has gotten not enough attention is bigfoot nests
567
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:14.239
because you see these out in the forest and there
568
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:20.599
are these kind of structures that are not clearly carefully built,
569
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:25.559
but sticks kind of like lean tos sort of, or
570
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:27.960
you can see the depressions where they're dug out or
571
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:31.880
leaves are gathered around, and bigfoot have a tendency to
572
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:36.440
snap off sticks and tops of trees, apparently as a
573
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:40.159
way of marking their territory. We don't know, of course,
574
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:46.280
but people who are experts in this, trackers and anthropologists
575
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:51.840
and wilderness ficionatomos have pointed out a lot of these
576
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and it's pretty impressive when you see something you know,
577
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:57.320
a top of you know, a fifteen foot tree and
578
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it's snapped off.
579
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It.
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00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:07.280
Know, there's some really interesting bigfoot nest evidence and I
581
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:10.039
think should get a lot more attention. I don't know
582
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:13.760
if there's a book just on that type of evidence.
583
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:19.960
Yeah, Now, going back to the high strangeness aspects for
584
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:24.039
a bit, what are some of the other occurrences that
585
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:29.679
surround bigfoot sightings that you've heard about, like orbs or
586
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:35.760
even portals UFOs that seem to coincide with the the sightings,
587
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:36.599
things like that.
588
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:41.920
Yeah, there's I think you're doing a big disservice to
589
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:48.480
ignore the paranormal so called paranormal aspects of this, because
590
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:53.599
it's prominent and there's a lot of you know, kind
591
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:56.519
of disagreement or debate on all of this because some
592
00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:00.760
people who are you know, not some bolts researchers just say, listen,
593
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:03.079
this is a primate. It's alved in the wilderness. It's
594
00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:09.360
just like us, probably not that intelligent, where others are like, no, no, no,
595
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:13.039
this is a spiritual being. And I mean there are
596
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:15.280
people who go so far as to say it's intelligence
597
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:18.719
putting on different masks and masquerading and bigfoot is it
598
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:23.280
what you think it is. I don't. I'm not part
599
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:25.440
of either of those camps. I think we're dealing with
600
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:31.760
a being that's very much like us, intelligent, psychic, and
601
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:36.199
it's been here a very long time, and there are
602
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.719
case affocates where they do turn invisible. I had a
603
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.239
first hand case of a guy who was up in
604
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:47.760
the Trinity Alps area of northern California standing by a
605
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:51.440
creek when a bigfoot bunk appeared in front of him.
606
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:54.920
Didn't walk up, just blink, it was there. He's like,
607
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:57.800
really startled, and he had a telepathic conversation with it
608
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:01.079
and said, yes, I can turn invisible. Watch this blank.
609
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:04.679
There was a female Bigfoot and a baby Bigfoot, a
610
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:09.239
Bigfoot family. So that's what convinced me to really start
611
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:12.760
digging deeper into the paranormal aspect of it. Because the
612
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.599
lady Wendy who She's like, I'm telling you, it's in
613
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:18.960
contact with me, and I'm like, I know, I believe you,
614
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:24.199
because she had proven to me that she was legit
615
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:27.079
in terms of her UFO experiences and psychic abilities. I
616
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:31.159
mean we hung out and stuff would happen. She was
617
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:31.679
for real.
618
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:40.000
So based on a lot of the experiences from people
619
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:44.760
who had interactions or encounters with what they understand is Bigfoot.
620
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:50.119
There seems to also be these other intelligences out there,
621
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entities that could be, like you were describing, some sort
622
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:58.920
of trickster that can shape shift into different entities. Because
623
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:02.679
this has been reported quite often. And then you have
624
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:09.039
the stories of things like dogmen, which is incredibly paranormal.
625
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:11.599
Based on a lot of the accounts that I've heard,
626
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:16.840
this being seems to be very terrifying and threatening and
627
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:21.639
has some of these same similar attributes as Bigfoot, can
628
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:27.480
seemingly just disappear out of nowhere and has these strange
629
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.239
powers at times. But what do you think is happening
630
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.760
with these other beings? Do you think that there are
631
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:37.760
other supernatural entities? What do you think this dog man is?
632
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:41.760
Yeah, I resisted dog Man too, even when I got
633
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:43.800
my first face, because I thought, you know, I have
634
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.840
not heard of this. This lady must be misperceiving. She
635
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:50.679
was driving through I think it was Colorado or New
636
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:53.920
Mexico along the highway and she was in the backseat
637
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:56.840
of the car and saw something in the forest's looking
638
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:58.880
at it, and it was, you know, fairly far away
639
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.679
a thousand feet or so, but it stepped out and
640
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:04.079
she saw it was a dog man, like, im sure
641
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:05.519
it wasn't a big foot. She's like, listen, it had
642
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:09.840
a snout, had little ears poking up, it was standing up,
643
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:13.519
and she was about to say something when you know,
644
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:16.239
the car basically just kept driving and it was lost
645
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:17.719
of use. So she's like, well, they're not going to
646
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:21.639
believe me. I'm not saying anything. So she saw it briefly,
647
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:25.920
you know, ten twenty seconds or so, and she described
648
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:27.519
this to me and I'm like, well, okay, and I
649
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:29.920
put that on the back burn because I'm like this,
650
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.559
this is crazy. She's describing the werewolf type thing and
651
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:36.840
I'm like, I'm not And then I got another report
652
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.639
and this was still long before dog man had become
653
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:44.679
a thing, and that The next case was in northern California,
654
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:46.480
where a lady had one come right up to her
655
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:50.000
window in her cabin and she said she was face
656
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.440
to face with it. I'm like, are you sure this
657
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.159
wasn't a big foot? And she had a snout it
658
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:58.480
looked like a dog man, and I'm like okay. So
659
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.360
it was very scary, but didn't do anything. It just
660
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:05.119
looked at her in a way that scared her real bad,
661
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:09.920
and she wouldn't go outside. There were no footprints. It
662
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:14.880
was just pure, you know, her word against the world.
663
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.280
So that's okay, I mean, there's two What am I
664
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.559
going to do with this? And then it was shortly
665
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:23.280
later that I connected with Linda Godfrey, who wrote The
666
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:26.320
Beast of Bray Road and had you know, dozens of
667
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:30.079
accounts of this and popularized this, and that opened the
668
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.840
doors for other people and suddenly, okay, dog man is
669
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.400
having its day. There's no doubt it's real. I've since
670
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:41.119
talked to other people who had encounters and certainly read
671
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:45.880
up on it. It's there's a lot of crypto zoological creatures,
672
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:49.840
and I don't think they're paranormal. I think this is normal.
673
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:56.199
Paranormal is a misnomer. All it means is we lack
674
00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:01.079
understanding as to how these things can disappear, or communicate
675
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:05.400
telepathically or do things. People try to say, well, maybe
676
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:09.840
Bigfoot is an alien, because I know, I mentioned I
677
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:13.880
had a Bigfoot case which was connected directly to a UFO,
678
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:18.199
and I would later get others and started reading. I
679
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:21.519
dug deep into that aspect because there's fifty one hundred
680
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:25.159
cases where these two and I use the word phenomena
681
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:29.360
even though that's not really correct, intersect perfectly. Where people
682
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:32.039
see a bigfoot coming out of a ufo, no kidding,
683
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:37.599
or walking into one, or Gray's and bigfoot going around together.
684
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:41.599
What is going on here? And I think the most
685
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:46.119
popular theory is bigfoot is an et and I entertained
686
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:49.360
that possibility for some time because it's all else can
687
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:54.559
you explain this? But here's the problem with that. In
688
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:58.920
my opinion, these bigfoot have been around forever. They've been
689
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on our planet for as long as we have. We
690
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:05.840
have Native American oral traditions, indigenous people across the world,
691
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:09.119
not just Native Americans. We talk about this. It goes
692
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:12.760
way way way back. Whether it's the Yetti or the
693
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:15.239
wild man, or the bigfoot of the Sasquatch or the
694
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:20.559
Yawi or the al mass it goes way back. I'm like, okay, well,
695
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:27.039
and finally I'm like, well, gosh, these are intelligent beings
696
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:32.079
or intelligent beings and perhaps, and this is just my
697
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:36.400
latest assessment. When someone sees a bigfoot coming out of
698
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:38.079
a ufo or going into it, or in the same
699
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:41.960
area at the same time. Maybe they are in contact
700
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:45.920
with ets in the same way a human is, so
701
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:50.599
bigfoot contact teas. That's my latest assessment. That's what's going
702
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:51.079
on here.
703
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:56.760
Or they have this multi dimensional awareness where they have
704
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a knowing of the other beings in these and like
705
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:04.199
you said, they are connected with them and they can
706
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.599
interact and communicate with them. Makes perfect sense in a
707
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:08.920
different way if.
708
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:12.159
They're telepathic, and of course with ets, are who better
709
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:16.960
to you know, why couldn't they communicate? People are like, oh,
710
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:18.719
I'd love to meet an alien. I'm like, well, you
711
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:22.639
know what you should do is go visit some dolphins.
712
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:26.880
That was another intelligent species that is very different from
713
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:30.880
us and yet clearly intelligent. Boy, when I met dolphins
714
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:34.639
for the first time, it was amazing. And that same lady, Wendy,
715
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:38.239
she showed me some stuff with I mean, she could
716
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:41.599
call them in. She called them in, we'd go down
717
00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:43.639
to the beach and they would come for her. It
718
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:48.760
was the most amazing thing. And yeah, other experiences with that,
719
00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:52.360
and she got really into that because she had these abilities,
720
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:57.559
and I mean we all do. No one's not psychic,
721
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:00.280
even if they don't think they are. We can I'll
722
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:02.960
do all of this. But I think that's one of
723
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:08.440
the main connections between the UFO phenomena gosh, I hate
724
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:11.840
that word, and the Bigfoot phenomena is they're both telepathic
725
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.280
and intelligent and psychic. Yeah, and they can connect in
726
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:18.400
ways that many humans are still learning how to do.
727
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:22.719
These other beings like the dog man, seem to be
728
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:26.920
telepathic as well. I've had a few experiencers that claim
729
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:31.519
that they've been in communication with these beings, and however,
730
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:39.079
many of these experiences are terrifying, are even violent at times.
731
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:43.880
There are some very rare that claim that even some
732
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:49.679
dogmen are benevolent and there is a duality with the experiences.
733
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:54.000
Have you heard any of these experiences of different, maybe
734
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:55.920
more benevolent types of dogmen.
735
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:59.719
Not a lot. It's definitely, like you say, pretty rare.
736
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:03.320
And I think part of the problem is fear. We
737
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:08.000
as humans are so fearful generally speaking of anything, and
738
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:09.880
you know, they're coming out in the dark here at night.
739
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:12.079
This is where most of the cases occur, out in
740
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:18.000
the wilderness where people are very feel vulnerable. So I
741
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.320
haven't done, you know, really done a whole lot of
742
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:25.239
research into dogmen until you know, relatively recently, I've been
743
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:28.320
hearing more and more about it. I'm like, Wow, it's
744
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:31.119
amazing to me how many crypto zoological creatures there are.
745
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:34.280
Because you know, I based my research in California and
746
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.079
did a book Supernatural California. I'm like, Okay, let's dive
747
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:42.079
deep to the cryptozoology of California. And of course Lake
748
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:47.840
Tahoe and Lake Elsinore and Lake Elizabeth and all of
749
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:52.960
these lakes have lake monsters. And if you go into
750
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:56.679
the history of the coastal California up and down, there
751
00:46:56.760 --> 00:47:00.360
is one hundred percent convincing evidence. I mean, you would
752
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:03.159
have to be a die hard head in the sand
753
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:07.199
skeptic to say that people aren't seeing these massive sea
754
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.639
serpents that rise up out of the water, you know,
755
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:15.400
ten or twenty feet, this huge long neck, a giraffe
756
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:19.280
like head, eyes the size of dinner plates, a main
757
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:25.920
down at the crest of its head, and really credible
758
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:30.159
observers like the guy who invented the cocks fishing reel
759
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:33.639
and bandini. He was the head of the fishing club
760
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:37.760
at the time. I mean, these are really legit observers
761
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:41.679
and multiple I mean, there was a group of witnesses
762
00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:43.639
who were out there off the coast of southern California
763
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:47.519
in nineteen ten or twenty and saw one of these
764
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:49.599
things come up out of the water and it's looking around,
765
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.199
and there was lots of swells that day. This darn
766
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:56.519
thing was not rising and falling with the swells, so
767
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:00.519
it had to be massive, like an iceberg in the
768
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:05.960
huns in weight, and yeah, I mean it's these things
769
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:10.079
are huge. It's not an oar fish as skeptics might
770
00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:12.599
like to say, or a sturgeon as people like to
771
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:16.920
say that Lake Tahoe Tessie is. There are sightings of
772
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:21.519
TESSI twenty or so per year. There's no doubt there's
773
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:22.760
something in Lake Tahoe.
774
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:31.199
This is something that even I am skeptical about that
775
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:35.280
something so large like you're saying, could be so elusive
776
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:39.440
and we don't witness it more than a handful of
777
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:44.119
people seeing this thing. Does that mean that it has
778
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:48.519
some sort of maybe supernatural abilities? What do you think?
779
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:52.159
I don't think we can discount it. I'm gonna lean
780
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.719
towards no with the sea monsters because I don't know
781
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:58.920
of any written account where someone says it turned invisible
782
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:05.079
or le or even really communicated in a way. But
783
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:08.400
I think what we're dealing with is a lot more
784
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.639
sightings than are publicly reported, because when someone sees something
785
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:14.199
like this, they don't who you go to? Move on?
786
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.719
They don't really take those reports. Who do you go to?
787
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:21.159
The police? You know, air force? Who are you going
788
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:25.400
to tell? Only recently, you know the Bigfoot is a
789
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:31.599
different beast literally, no pun intended, because there's many organizations
790
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:34.639
with that, and there are organizations that deal with the
791
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:38.719
cryptozoology and seamunsters certainly, but the average person doesn't know
792
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:42.239
about it. And while Lake Tahoe does receive twenty thirty
793
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:44.559
reports per year, I bet you could times at by
794
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:47.760
ten or one hundred, because who are you going to tell?
795
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:50.840
And people are so skeptical and no one wants to
796
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:55.639
expose themselves to ridicule. So I think honestly, they're seeing
797
00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:59.800
a lot lot more than we know. In any estimates
798
00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:03.880
is how common it is are vastly underestimated. I mean,
799
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:06.039
we know this is true with UFOs, We know this.
800
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:08.960
I always ask people when I interviewed them, did you
801
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.559
report it? To move on? And response is always what's
802
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:12.000
move on?
803
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:14.440
You know?
804
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:17.880
Some people have called the police but only rarely. I
805
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:21.400
mean I've interviewed hundreds of people. I can maybe ten
806
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.000
report to the air force of the police or move on.
807
00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:31.199
And that's especially true if it's a close up, extensive encounter. Yeah,
808
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:40.599
so ghosts, cryptozoological creatures ets are vastly underreported or underdocumented.
809
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.880
Going back to the different types of possible bigfoot that
810
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.400
have been witnessed, I think it was Tony Merkle he
811
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:53.400
made an interesting observation based on the eyewitness testimonies that
812
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:57.079
he's heard, is that there's so many different kinds of bigfoots,
813
00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:01.440
and some are more animal looking than others. Some look
814
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:04.159
like baboons, and they have a little bit of an
815
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:09.400
elongated snout, And he believes sometimes those types of bigfoot
816
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:13.199
are confused with dog men. But also the level of
817
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:19.440
aggression seems to coincide with how much of the animalistic
818
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.840
traits that these beings have. What do you think about that.
819
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:27.840
Well, there's no doubt there's huge variation. Even in the US.
820
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:33.440
You have got the Florida Skunkape. The northern California is
821
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:37.360
a huge hotspot for the very tall sasquatch type beings.
822
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:40.960
But if you dive to the other countries. I mean,
823
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:45.039
the Australian Allies are short little things. And in Africa
824
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:49.519
they've got many accounts of purely wild men, you know,
825
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:53.639
people who we would probably described as chromagnon. I remember
826
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:57.559
there was there's a show Paranormal cut on camera. They
827
00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:01.039
caught some foot. Some guy was biking stuff and one
828
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:04.119
of these some figure ran right in front of him.
829
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:06.920
He caught it on camera, and I think it's a
830
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:11.239
legit video. Hard to say for sure. I wasn't there obviously,
831
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:16.599
but man, oh man, that looked like a person, but different.
832
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:22.519
I mean, not no clothes except the loincloth, and clearly
833
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:26.360
I mean the head was wrong. I think there's all
834
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:32.719
kinds of variations going on here, and it's so interesting
835
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:38.760
to look into because I'm up in the Himalayas, you know,
836
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:41.679
the Tibet area and Mount Everest and all of that.
837
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:45.519
You talk to mountain climbers, but you know, Reinhold Messner
838
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:51.239
then probably most famous in the world pad encounters, and
839
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:55.039
a lot of them have described counters in our big
840
00:52:55.079 --> 00:53:02.239
believers in the Yetti, which is completely different than a bigfoot.
841
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:05.280
So we'd like to think of ourselves as you know,
842
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:08.719
we're so intelligent and we're the primary species on this planet.
843
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:12.320
But no, we share it. We absolutely share it. And
844
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.440
if you catalog the bigfoot or wild man or whatever
845
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:19.519
you want to call it, encounters, they generally are in ridgetops,
846
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:23.880
river valleys, areas where there's lots of a big food
847
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:28.199
and water source. And you know, there's some really interesting
848
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:30.719
maps put together of all the reported sightings and it's
849
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:35.599
fascinating to see them because it's covered across the US
850
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:38.519
and the world where these things are appearing, and they're
851
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:42.079
all different kinds. Up in Canada, I heard it. This
852
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:46.360
is secondhand, so this is technically hearsay. This is you know,
853
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:49.280
he said, someone told me that he was told this
854
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:55.599
story from someone else, but it involved a cryptozoological humanoid
855
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.599
like a bigfoot, but it wasn't a big foot because
856
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:06.519
this thing had antlers. Oh oh wow. Yeah. I think
857
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:10.719
the Wind to Go is another Yeah, that which could
858
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:13.400
have been what they were describing. But I'd never heard
859
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:15.320
of that, and that's the closest I got to report
860
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:15.599
of that.
861
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:21.559
Well, this gets into the skin Walker shape shifter type territory.
862
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:26.639
A lot of the strange things that occur in places
863
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:30.920
like Skinwalker Ranch, the Uintaw Basin there's a few other
864
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:34.519
places that have been discovered recently that are being studied
865
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:40.960
that have a concentration of what people are calling skin walkers.
866
00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:44.119
What are your understanding of these things?
867
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:49.119
They don't have much understanding of them, to be honest,
868
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:53.119
because I don't have first hand reports of it. Well,
869
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:58.159
I've looked into it. I don't know what to say
870
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:01.960
about that. Very curious. There's still a lot to learn,
871
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:05.960
and then I try to stick to what I can
872
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:09.159
people I can interview firsthand, And I've never interviewedd someone
873
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:14.039
firsthand who's had a quote skinwalker account. But I've talked
874
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:17.039
to people who've seen some strange stuff for sure, and
875
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:21.119
there does seem to be some weird clustering of phenomena,
876
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:24.360
for lack of a better word, hotspots. I talked to
877
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:30.039
Christopher O'Brien, who really focused on the San Luis Valley
878
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:34.119
of Colorado, which has an enormous amount of UFO activity,
879
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:38.480
but also strange little beings that run across the desert
880
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:43.159
floor that no one can identify, thunderbirds and Bigfoot and
881
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:48.239
all kinds of you know, religious miracles. Into Pega Canyon.
882
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:51.679
I grew up there, there's a lot of UFO activity.
883
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:56.039
I never saw it until I started researching it, but
884
00:55:56.119 --> 00:55:59.480
there's lots of ghost activity there. And this one lady
885
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:03.360
describes seeing essentially a ghost dog, like, well, what do
886
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:05.920
you mean, what did you see? And she said this
887
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:09.000
thing looked like a dog, except it had holes for
888
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:11.280
eyes that she could see the fence post through it.
889
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:14.679
And this is the lady, you know, it was very
890
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:19.000
you know, very reasonable, I should say, very kind of
891
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:21.559
conservative in her thinking. She didn't want to go there.
892
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:24.480
It's like, this is what I saw. And if you
893
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:26.480
look into the history of ghost dogs, I mean in
894
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:30.880
Ireland and England and these the black dog phenomena where
895
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:34.360
people will appear before someone perhaps dies, it's this whole
896
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:38.800
supernatural connection there to all these different.
897
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:44.000
There's some strange things that happen with canine type of
898
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:48.719
entities in these areas. I've heard things as strange as
899
00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:54.320
these beings, these doglike creatures dissipating into dust and turning
900
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:57.960
into some type of tree or bush and then back
901
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:01.480
to a dog. So there's some very strange things happening
902
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:01.719
with that.
903
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:04.880
Well, one lady, she wrote a book which I have
904
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:10.719
somewhere in my bookcase. Her name is Lunetta Woods, I forget,
905
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:14.000
don't quote me on that, but she wrote this book
906
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:18.199
about her own experiences with sas a quote shape shifting sasquatch,
907
00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:21.199
and she swears that she had this thing walking around
908
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:23.360
her house and there were footprints in the snow. I
909
00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:26.159
think that's what it's called. It would make these footprints,
910
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:29.440
and she's tracking it and the darn thing changed from
911
00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:34.920
a bigfoot to deer prints, is what she said. And
912
00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:38.679
it seems to be a legit book. I mean, she
913
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:42.360
seems very sincere about it, and there's enough accounts where
914
00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:46.440
I'm like, these definitely deserve to be considered at the
915
00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:50.599
very least. So I think there's a lot more going
916
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:53.159
on than people realize. We can see this in the
917
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:58.159
UFO field with people struggling and saying, well, maybe not
918
00:57:58.239 --> 00:58:00.400
all of these are ET's, and I'll agree with that
919
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:03.360
some are, you know, Jacques Vallet is like, I don't
920
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:05.679
know if any of this is et I'm not going there.
921
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:09.719
I think you've got a pretty good handle that most
922
00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:13.360
I think of what people are describing as et are
923
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:17.239
et s, and Bigfoot is bigfoot, and dog man is
924
00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:19.840
probably dog man, and a near death experience is exactly
925
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:23.519
what it appears to be. While these all do have
926
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:28.480
really interesting commonalities and bleed throughs and connections, and because
927
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:31.159
someone might have a near death experience and boom, they
928
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:35.880
start having et experiences because they're or it can open
929
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:38.719
you up psychically and you start having medium ship and
930
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:42.480
seeing ghosts and shadow people, and so all these things
931
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:45.800
might come as an avalanche all at once and give
932
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:48.159
people a tendency to lump them together.
933
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:53.159
Based on your research, what do you think is happening?
934
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:58.079
It seems like there is an awakening happening right now.
935
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:01.239
People are becoming more aware of a lot of this stuff,
936
00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:05.400
at least more curious about it, and it seems like
937
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:08.239
people are even having more experiences. And I want to
938
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:10.519
get your thoughts on that. Do you think people are
939
00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:14.039
becoming more open to this and having more experiences? Do
940
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:17.679
you think they always have and they're just now coming
941
00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:20.800
out and feeling like they can talk about it because
942
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:23.199
of everything else that's happening. What do you think is
943
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going on right now?
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I would say both. I would say probably there's an
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increase in people who are having these experiences. And I
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say that just because it seems like there's we're kind
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of in the information age now, which is kind of
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also slipping into the disinformation age unfortunately. But with computers
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and the ability to do incredible research and all these
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civilian organizations popping up to study these things, I think
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people are absolutely a lot more comfortable coming forward with
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their own experiences. So it's really hard to say, because
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if you look at the uf organizations, there's a steady
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increase of reported cases. And does that mean more people
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are seeing it or does that mean people are now
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reporting it? Really hard to say, but it seems like
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each generation of humans here on Earth they learn a
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little more quickly. They've come a little bit more psychic.
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We evolve, and our psychic awareness is growing, i'd like
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to think.
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So.
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I think there's a lot of ignorance and disinformation and
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a lot of real, you know, push and pull going
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on right now, certainly with UFO subject and just people's
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ability to think clearly about what's real and what's not.
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And we still have flat earthers and I am you know,
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in hollow earthers and people saying stuff that's I really
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wish they'd just step back and do some real, basic
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baseline scientific thinking. I'm not a flat Earth, I understand stand. Yeah,
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our governments are lying in NASA probably shouldn't be trusted completely,
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but it's undeniable that the Earth is basically a spherical
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in shape, so we need to really just sort of
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step back and do some really careful, basic scientific thinking.
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But yeah, I think people are also. I mean we
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talk here about children and starts to our children and
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into our children, and a lot more waking up of
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psychic abilities. Perhaps that's just because people are now being
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exposed to it and becoming more open to it, and
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parents are listening and children are more or perhaps they
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are actually waking up and more so than the eighteen hundreds.
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But yeah, I mean there was a show on children
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who have past lives and only ran a couple of seasons. Gosh,
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that was so interesting because these children were calling stuff
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that's amazing, and I'm sure that if we were just
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embrace it, we could really accelerate our psychic abilities to
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a degree that would be astonishing. But yeah, there's an
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evil force this planet. Our governments or secret governments, cabal,
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whatever you want to call it, seemed to be working
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very hard to fill us up with quote legal drugs.
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Yeah, I started encouraging things happening though, even just in
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the past year, where people are just realizing the corruption
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from the higher ups and they're participating less, they're not
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going along with some of the ridiculous agendas that are
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trying to be put forward. So there's growth happening right now,
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and I think the more we collectively become aware of that,
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the easier it is to navigate through all the madness
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01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:55.440
happening right now. But we're definitely in exciting times for
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sure at present. This was fantastic. Is there anything that
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you've been working on lately? Anything upcoming?
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Oh, I'm always keeping busy. I've put out a few
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books recently, Symmetry, a true UFO Adventure, one of my
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01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:14.840
favorite ever, Humanoids and High Strangeness, which really embraces the
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whole paranormal aspect of it. I just put out like
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last month, Not from Here, volume five, all about the
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really unusual UFO encounters, the outlining cases. Going to do
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another on out of body experiences. I'm super pumped about
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01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:35.960
what's going on now with people, you know, the interests
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in these subjects really accelerating. So yeah, it's a good time.
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Excellent, Preston, This was great. I can't wait to see
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you at the event upcoming. Everyone, go to expandingrealitypodcast dot
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01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:53.159
com slash events. Check it out, check out the amazing
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01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:56.960
lineup presenters and things that we're going to be doing
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01:03:57.000 --> 01:03:59.440
out there and get your tickets and we will see
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01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:03.199
you there. Thank you again, Preston. Before you head out,
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let the audience know where they can find you.
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01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:08.960
Thanks, Chris. Pretty easy to find you just go on
1017
01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:11.119
the internet and punch my name in. But I do
1018
01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:16.199
have a website, Prestindnnett, weevely dot com, YouTube channel, UFOs,
1019
01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:20.159
and The Paranormal with Preston Donnett. My books are available
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01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:26.199
on Amazon and other online retailers and you know, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,
1021
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:28.920
all of those. I'm pretty easy to find and always
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01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:32.119
love hearing from people. So thanks for the opportunity to
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01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:34.719
be on the show. I love these subjects. They're important.
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I wish everyone yes really talk about it.
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So it keeps me going for sure. Thank you, Preston.
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We'll do it again. I'll see you in May, and
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until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll talk
1028
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again tomorrow. See you then. Today, I want to welcome
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back to the show Wayne McRoy. He is an author
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01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:58.960
and researcher who explores the hidden agendas linking modern technologies
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to their ancient out chemical roots in antiquity. Wayne, Welcome back.
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How you doing.
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Good, Chris? Thanks for having me back on again, Man.
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Always a pleasure to speak to you.
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Great having you back.
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Man.
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Been looking forward to this. I've been wondering just how
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01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:20.039
many times can conspiracy theories become reality and the truth
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01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:24.599
strangers in fiction. Since twenty twenty, we've experienced events that
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01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:29.480
were not only predicted by very brilliant researchers, but also
1041
01:05:29.559 --> 01:05:33.760
seem to have a prophetic aspect when compared to certain
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ancient spiritual texts depending on your interpretation. As I said before,
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I told this story that I went to a small
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01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:48.000
Christian school in junior high and I remember them showing
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us a video and it was supposed to depict the
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apocalypse would be like, what the end of the world
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would be like. And the video proceeds to show pandemics,
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world war, global psychological operations, and a fake UFO invasion.
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01:06:07.239 --> 01:06:11.320
Now this was like, Man, had to be very early nineties,
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when I was late eighties, when I was when this
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was this video was produced, and I would I thought
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it was hilarious at the time, you know, I i'd
1053
01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:25.079
it was such a low quality, cheesy production and me
1054
01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:27.480
and my friends would laugh at it. But fast forward
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to today and smack me and call me Karen. If
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ninety percent of these events portrayed in that film seemed
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to be occurring. If that being said, is all this planned?
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Are the manifesting this? Are we in some sort of simulation?
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Is there a divine plan? And some believe the next
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big event is going to be a stage UFO invasion.
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Now we're gonna get into this. We're get into this
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and a lot more so. We've got a lot to
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01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:00.800
get into. But first remind the audience a little bit
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about yourself and your work.
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All right, man, Once again, I do appreciate you having
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01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:10.199
me on here. I could be found over at Alchemictech
1067
01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:13.280
Revolution at gmail dot com if anyone wants to contact
1068
01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:17.599
me directly. The Alchemical Tech Revolution podcast is now available
1069
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:20.679
out there on Spotify, at Apple Podcasts and pretty much
1070
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:24.440
anywhere else you find podcasts, and that's my main gig nowadays.
1071
01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:27.320
I also am over on rock and if people want
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01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:30.559
to check it out over there, that's rkfim dot com.
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Backslash Wayne McRoy, And the bulk of my work is
1074
01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:39.559
focused on looking back, primarily at the texts of the
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01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:42.639
Secret Society groups and applying them to things going on today.
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And we see so much, so much that's been prophesied
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in the Bible and other places happening today. And just
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01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:53.360
as you had let in here with the conversation, we're
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at this precipice right now where all of these things
1080
01:07:56.320 --> 01:08:00.679
that were once called conjecture or considracy theory or these
1081
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:02.960
types of things are beginning to manifest around us. So
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01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:05.599
it has to make you wonder what in the world's
1083
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:08.199
going on here. And we're seeing a big push right
1084
01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:12.639
now for this whole UFO Alien agenda narrative that's been
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01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:15.840
showing up over and over again in the public. So
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that being the case, I see this as being a
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manifestation of a thing that has been predicted in the past,
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and we're going to go through that very shortly here.
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In my estimation from the things I see, they're putting
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01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:33.119
all the tails out there, like they just recently talked
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about these congressional hearings on the UAP agenda here, that's
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01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:41.199
what they call it now, Unidentified aerial phenomena. They've shifted back,
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01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:44.880
They've shifted back to that description of it. They're trying
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01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:49.920
to rebrand UFOs essentially. So I find that in and
1095
01:08:49.960 --> 01:08:52.960
of itself interesting because I'm a big proponent of taking
1096
01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:57.359
a part language to understand what's being leveraged in certain ways.
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So I've been really taking a lot of time focus
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on this whole UFO thing as of late, and much
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01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:06.279
of my work in research now that's originally where I
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01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:09.399
started researching, was in the UFO field, when I came
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01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:11.520
across all kinds of other things that took me down
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01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:14.640
these other rabbit holes. And I tell people I accidentally
1103
01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:16.840
became an expert in a cult philosophy because of that.
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01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:20.680
So that being the case, it's amazing how all these
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01:09:20.680 --> 01:09:23.119
things tie together at the topmost levels and how they
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01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:26.279
interconnect in so many ways. And the whole UFO thing
1107
01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:30.079
is part and parcel of that. We see it's a
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01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:34.319
fictional crux for the upcoming events in this world, these
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01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:38.039
things that have been predicted by ancient texts and also
1110
01:09:38.199 --> 01:09:41.880
by many people throughout the ages here and we see
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01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:44.079
it all coming together and at of this relates back
1112
01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:47.720
to a notion that came about primarily in nineteen ninety
1113
01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:50.960
four at the writing of Surge Monast of a book
1114
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:58.199
called Project Bluebeam, talking about this false alien invasion narrative. Now,
1115
01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:01.520
to be clear, there is there's no recorded government gram
1116
01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:05.319
called Project Blue Bean, and people will make that kind
1117
01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:07.800
of an argument all day. It's an acknowledged thing within
1118
01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:11.760
the conspiracy culture, isn't it Project Blue Bean being a reality? Now,
1119
01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:18.079
certainly these technologies do exist, these projection technologies, hologram technologies,
1120
01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:20.479
these kind of things, they do certainly exist, and there
1121
01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:23.439
are programs that have shown these and demonstrated these in
1122
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:26.640
the public, but there is no acknowledged Project Blue Bean.
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01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:30.760
So serge Mo nask came out with this writing, and
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01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:32.680
there's a lot of legends and stuff that have cropped
1125
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:35.920
up around that. I guess he died in nineteen ninety
1126
01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:39.359
seven or ninety eight, shortly after coming forward with this information,
1127
01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:42.439
and he claimed this was a NASA project, but you
1128
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:45.880
can find no such project in the literature anywhere. But
1129
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:50.560
he set up this whole way of thinking for people
1130
01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:55.319
since then. So we have this notion of a false
1131
01:10:55.319 --> 01:10:59.960
alien invasion, and we also have some other corroborating inform
1132
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:06.600
that's come out from alleged whistleblowers within the various organizations JAZZ, NASA.
1133
01:11:07.399 --> 01:11:10.439
Carol Rosen came out, you know, after the fact and
1134
01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:13.760
said foreigner von Braun had warned her that they were
1135
01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:16.640
going to play this whole alien card in the end.
1136
01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:19.359
He said, first it would be like terrorists, and then
1137
01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:22.239
it would be asteroids, and then it would be the
1138
01:11:22.279 --> 01:11:25.760
alien card. And he warned her and urged her to
1139
01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:29.279
try to stop the weaponization of space. So a lot
1140
01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:32.439
of this has to do with the military industrial complex
1141
01:11:32.479 --> 01:11:35.680
and those run in the show, within this military industrial
1142
01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:39.960
complex trying to set up some type of an infrastructure
1143
01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:44.720
based in the technologies around space or space technologies, as
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01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:48.239
von brunclaimed, So you got to wonder what in the
1145
01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:50.680
world are they trying to set up and why are
1146
01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:53.840
they going to use this alien agenda to push and
1147
01:11:53.920 --> 01:11:57.319
promote that. So you're looking into this and you find
1148
01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:01.560
many of these different links my research and the things
1149
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:05.960
I've been able to look at, I always, invariably, no
1150
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:08.800
matter where I look at this, I always end up
1151
01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:11.760
in one of two places, and it's always both. If
1152
01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:14.039
you go back as far in time as you can
1153
01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:17.479
and trace back a lot of these writings and these ideas.
1154
01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:19.880
As far back in time as you can, you always
1155
01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:22.880
arrive at what's called the ancient mystery schools and the
1156
01:12:22.920 --> 01:12:26.960
secret society groups that have been brought forward from those.
1157
01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:30.000
So that being the case, you go back in as
1158
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:32.479
far in history as you can, that's what you find.
1159
01:12:32.680 --> 01:12:36.279
And if you look forward into the invariable near future,
1160
01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:40.159
you always find the end goal thereof which in the
1161
01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:45.399
modern age we call transhumanism. So this is the fulfillment
1162
01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:49.520
of what these ancient mystery schools called the Great Work
1163
01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:53.279
or the Philosopher's Stone, or all these types of ideas,
1164
01:12:53.279 --> 01:12:57.520
and it relates to attaining immortality and becoming a gods
1165
01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:01.359
in this physical realm in which we live. So they
1166
01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:04.720
want to do that, know uncertain terms, these powers that
1167
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be in this world, these dark occultists who run things
1168
01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:09.680
at the top of the power structure, and that's absolutely
1169
01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:12.279
what they are, and that's what I call them. We
1170
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don't know their names per se. We've heard a lot
1171
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.840
of names thrown around as to who's actually running things,
1172
01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:21.520
but this is the public face of it. Now. Behind
1173
01:13:21.560 --> 01:13:23.840
the scenes, there's those that you've probably never even heard
1174
01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:26.800
of and don't know who they are, that are running
1175
01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:30.279
this whole agenda, and there's a very small few at
1176
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the top that are actually putting out different ideas and
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agendas that are adopted as policy by many different countries
1178
01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:42.399
and organizations throughout the world, and it's done through the
1179
01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:46.079
auspices of the three. So we have all of these
1180
01:13:46.119 --> 01:13:50.520
notions have been introduced into the public mindset for the
1181
01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:53.720
longest time, since at least eighteen nineties. So there's a
1182
01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:58.680
reason that this whole Project Bluebeam idea was allowed to
1183
01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:02.600
circulate out there. And it's been conspiracy culture for decades now,
1184
01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:05.840
and we're all pretty familiar with the notion. But you
1185
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:08.199
have to wonder what's the end goal. If they really
1186
01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:12.119
were going to stage an alien invasion, would they really
1187
01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:16.000
allow you to find out about that? Well, some would
1188
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:19.319
argue this is a concept called revelation of the method, right,
1189
01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:23.399
which is sometimes known in conspiracy circles as predictive programming,
1190
01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:26.279
And that's an argument you could make. I don't claim
1191
01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:28.880
to know true nature of all of this, but it
1192
01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:33.039
seems to me the people, the social engineers who run
1193
01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:36.680
things and put these agendas in place, they like to
1194
01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:39.439
hit us with a swerve every now and again with
1195
01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:42.319
this stuff. So I don't know if this whole thing's
1196
01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:46.079
going to manifest as an actual nuts and bolts alien
1197
01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:50.239
invasion type of a scenario. We might be looking at
1198
01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:53.920
something else, and I'll explore avenues of thought that relate
1199
01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:56.119
to that a little bit further down the road here
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01:14:56.159 --> 01:15:00.359
in Joe, because I think that's an allusion to something else.
1201
01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:03.720
I think it's an allegory for something else that they're
1202
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:05.920
going to present and that we won't be looking for.
1203
01:15:06.760 --> 01:15:09.760
And it has everything to do with the events that
1204
01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:13.079
have occurred over the course of the past three years.
1205
01:15:13.399 --> 01:15:15.720
And we could get a little bit into that here.
1206
01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:20.119
Yeah, before we do, I would love to touch on
1207
01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:24.079
what you've mentioned a few minutes ago about the the
1208
01:15:24.079 --> 01:15:28.159
ideology behind this and the end goal what you would call,
1209
01:15:28.439 --> 01:15:32.560
like you mentioned the Great Work, what this ideology is
1210
01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:37.079
all about, and it seems to be, in a bateic sense,
1211
01:15:37.239 --> 01:15:44.760
trying to evolve men through technology into this one androgynist being.
1212
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:48.319
That these are culled groups believe that at one time
1213
01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:51.720
we were this one perfect being and the only way
1214
01:15:51.800 --> 01:15:54.680
for us to get back to that is through a
1215
01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:58.159
forced evolution of technology. Am I close on that?
1216
01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:02.840
Yeah, that's actually a pretty good approximation of what we
1217
01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:06.279
can denote from looking back at their writings. They harkened
1218
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:08.000
back to a time that they call the Golden Age
1219
01:16:08.079 --> 01:16:11.159
or the Golden Period, a world that existed prior to
1220
01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:17.880
this one, wherein mankind was dual sext in one body.
1221
01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:24.640
He had the aspects of the feminine and the masculine
1222
01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:27.920
both embodied within him, and he was creative from self.
1223
01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:32.279
He could create just from self that way and multiply well.
1224
01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:34.760
If you look back at the teachings of the Road
1225
01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:37.479
Recrucians and other groups, you see that this was a
1226
01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:41.079
period before the modern era. Here, this was a world
1227
01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:43.800
that existed prior to this one in a different time.
1228
01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:46.760
And some of these teachings get a little convoluted by
1229
01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:49.720
the secret society groups, but it's all essentially part and
1230
01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:51.600
part of the same thing. So they're harkening back to
1231
01:16:51.640 --> 01:16:54.840
this age that they refer to as the Saturn period,
1232
01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:57.880
where it was the golden age of mankind, where man
1233
01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:02.359
existed in a paradisical type date, but he was this
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01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:05.920
bull sex being. He was able to create in and
1235
01:17:05.960 --> 01:17:13.119
of himself bodily. But this was something that didn't have
1236
01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:17.520
the spiritual connection or connotation at the time that it was,
1237
01:17:17.920 --> 01:17:21.199
so this was something man was able to reproduce, much
1238
01:17:21.239 --> 01:17:23.720
like a plant does. But at the same token, he
1239
01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:27.159
also had consciousness comparable to that of a plant during
1240
01:17:27.239 --> 01:17:30.840
this period, so he was not really self aware at
1241
01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:32.560
that point. And this is what they teach in some
1242
01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:36.760
version or another in the Secret schools. So at one
1243
01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:40.119
point or another, what they seek to do is go
1244
01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:43.520
back to this time where this Golden Age, this paradise
1245
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:46.880
on Earth as they refer to it. But they want
1246
01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:50.479
to do so with the intellect of mankind intact. And
1247
01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:52.600
that's what they're seeking to do. They want to re
1248
01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:58.159
evaluate this world we're in, and in a mystical sense,
1249
01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:01.439
they want to bring about the fruition of this paradise
1250
01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:07.119
with the notion of having our intellect intact. Because at
1251
01:18:07.159 --> 01:18:10.439
the end of the day, the big main premise to
1252
01:18:10.600 --> 01:18:13.600
these individuals, these dark ocultis who run things that's important
1253
01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:17.800
is they believe that through intellect, mankind can ascend to
1254
01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:21.920
the next level and deify himself and become gods of
1255
01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:25.520
this place. Be the gods, be the creators, be the builders,
1256
01:18:25.680 --> 01:18:28.520
the master builders of this place. A lot of his
1257
01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:32.239
language hearkens to the Secret society groups a lot of it.
1258
01:18:32.279 --> 01:18:35.239
Free Masonic people are most familiar with the Freemasons as
1259
01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:39.359
a secret society, so we find ourselves referring to many
1260
01:18:39.359 --> 01:18:42.359
of in their terms. But essentially, when you go back
1261
01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:45.079
and you look at the old teachings, this is what
1262
01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:47.520
they want to re establish. They want to re establish
1263
01:18:47.560 --> 01:18:52.239
man as a being who's able to create just by himself.
1264
01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:57.119
He doesn't need a partner to do so. And that
1265
01:18:57.199 --> 01:19:00.920
being the case, it's about a form of a hatheosis,
1266
01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:03.560
if they also like to call it, and they see
1267
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:06.520
that being something that is within their grasp here in
1268
01:19:06.520 --> 01:19:09.119
the modern era through the use of high technology and
1269
01:19:09.159 --> 01:19:12.000
through this transhumanist notion of things. So what are they
1270
01:19:12.039 --> 01:19:16.840
doing with this While they're trying to eliminate variety out
1271
01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:19.159
of the equation. They want to merge the two gender
1272
01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:23.199
principles back together again in an androgynist type state. And
1273
01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:27.960
we see this manifesting in the modern world through things
1274
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:31.880
like this transgender ideology and all of that stuff, and
1275
01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:37.199
a lot of it aligns with these teachings. And that's
1276
01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:40.640
the thing. Much of what's been done is a perversion
1277
01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:45.239
of what the original state of things was or has been.
1278
01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:49.199
What original intentions of the alchemists were they've taken the
1279
01:19:49.239 --> 01:19:53.720
inversion principle and applied in this way, always stating that
1280
01:19:53.800 --> 01:19:59.840
they have these wonderful or good intentions for mankind as
1281
01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:02.199
a whole. But at the end of the day, what's
1282
01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:07.000
really happening is it's all about the betterment of these
1283
01:20:07.159 --> 01:20:09.399
select few people at the top of the power structure
1284
01:20:09.439 --> 01:20:11.760
in this world. They want to maintain their ground power.
1285
01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:15.279
They want to affirm themselves as the gods and rulers
1286
01:20:15.319 --> 01:20:18.560
of this place, and they utilize some of these old,
1287
01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:22.439
old chemical principles and ancient sciences to get there. They
1288
01:20:22.520 --> 01:20:26.000
leverage that against the masses, and they seek to bring
1289
01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:29.000
about this type of state of being wherein they are
1290
01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:32.800
the gods of this place and they can achieve this
1291
01:20:33.079 --> 01:20:37.159
alleged Golden Age or some replication of this type of
1292
01:20:37.199 --> 01:20:40.359
Golden age, that's what they're seeking. But what does this
1293
01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:44.000
look like? And that's what we're getting to right now,
1294
01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:46.880
because like I said, what has happened is through the
1295
01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:52.319
course of time and through revisionist history in space, we
1296
01:20:52.439 --> 01:20:55.800
see that what's happened is they've taken a lot of
1297
01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:59.720
these old ideas and inverted them, in perverted them against
1298
01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:02.119
the natal order of things, and that's what they're seeking
1299
01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:04.720
to do. And they try to put as positive as
1300
01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:06.600
spin on this stuff as Pabo and say it's going
1301
01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:09.159
to be beneficial for everybody, but when it comes down
1302
01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:11.479
to brass tacks, it's really not. It's only for a
1303
01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:15.680
select few that are looking to reap the benefits thereof
1304
01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:18.600
and the rest of us. They're trying to lock into
1305
01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:22.720
this type of material paradigm in which we exist right now.
1306
01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:27.039
And all of these ideas, although they seem kind of disjointed,
1307
01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:30.479
all these things connect together. All these different conspiracy type
1308
01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:34.199
topics and ideas, they all join together. So if you're
1309
01:21:34.199 --> 01:21:38.840
talking ufbos, if you're talking about even Christian theology and
1310
01:21:38.880 --> 01:21:42.520
the fulfillment of the Book of Revelation in the end times,
1311
01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:45.680
all of these scenarios do tie together in this way.
1312
01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:50.520
They most certainly do. And I like to tell people, sorry,
1313
01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:56.199
I didn't mean to interrupt. I always tell people, at
1314
01:21:56.239 --> 01:21:57.880
the end of the day, when you look at this stuff,
1315
01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:03.520
there's one overarching agenda and one granddaddy of all conspiracies
1316
01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:06.399
going on right now, and that is the transhumanist agenda.
1317
01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:09.680
Because all roads lead to Rome in this regard, they
1318
01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:12.680
all lead to the same thing. So, like I said,
1319
01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:16.039
whatever I look at, no matter what topic it is,
1320
01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:18.960
it always ends in one of those two places, back
1321
01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:21.720
in the ancient mystery schools and the eccult ties to it,
1322
01:22:22.199 --> 01:22:27.600
or in if you look forward to its inevitable ends.
1323
01:22:27.680 --> 01:22:32.039
It's always this transhumance notion, this posthuman type of an
1324
01:22:32.119 --> 01:22:36.800
idea that they're putting together. So one end leads to
1325
01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:38.800
the other. You could trace back the roots of this
1326
01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:40.880
as far back in time as we could look, and
1327
01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:43.800
we can see the culmination of that coming up within
1328
01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:46.399
the very near future. If these people get their way,
1329
01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:50.000
they see it as being possible now with the modern
1330
01:22:50.039 --> 01:22:53.039
technologies they have. They want to achieve this goal and
1331
01:22:53.119 --> 01:22:58.960
then successfully socially engineering the public to align with their goals.
1332
01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:01.760
And people don't even rea liies how they've been manipulated.
1333
01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:05.119
And they because they use notions and ideas that most
1334
01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:08.039
people are not familiar with in the modern era, because
1335
01:23:08.039 --> 01:23:11.079
we've been taught primarily to think of these things as
1336
01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:17.119
silly or nonsensical. They use tools like astrology and tools
1337
01:23:17.319 --> 01:23:21.199
like language, hidden language, what they call in the Freemasons
1338
01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:25.520
the green language, also called the phonetic Kabbala, also called
1339
01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:27.840
the language of the birds. There's many distinctions for this.
1340
01:23:28.359 --> 01:23:32.920
They use hidden language and the language of symbology to
1341
01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:37.640
communicate ideas and to defer ideas into the public consciousness
1342
01:23:37.680 --> 01:23:41.960
through the use of archetypal energies and archetypes are a
1343
01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:45.960
huge notion that ties into this, and they leverage off
1344
01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:48.079
them all the time, and people don't recognize them on
1345
01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:50.960
a conscious level for what they are. So I think
1346
01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:54.079
Manly P. Hall said, when man learns to read the
1347
01:23:54.159 --> 01:23:57.239
language of symbolism, a great veil wall off of his eyes,
1348
01:23:58.119 --> 01:23:59.880
or some such notion I may have.
1349
01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:03.640
So they're setting up these events, it's up to us
1350
01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:08.000
to have an emotional response and reaction to create the
1351
01:24:08.119 --> 01:24:13.119
archetypal energy or ed gregork energy that will manifest these
1352
01:24:13.239 --> 01:24:15.439
ideas into our reality.
1353
01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:15.760
Right.
1354
01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:19.760
Well, that's kind of the premise that I've seen when
1355
01:24:19.800 --> 01:24:23.319
I'm looking at this. It seems almost undeniable that they
1356
01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:26.159
try to inculcate these ideas into the minds of men,
1357
01:24:26.680 --> 01:24:30.399
leveraging these old alchemical tools to do so. You see,
1358
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:33.560
they understand something about this reality that we don't. These
1359
01:24:33.640 --> 01:24:36.239
darc ocultists at the top of the poor structure and
1360
01:24:36.359 --> 01:24:39.920
much of this they've kept hidden within the auspices of
1361
01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:43.640
the secret societies and occult fraternities through the ages. And
1362
01:24:43.720 --> 01:24:46.520
they call this magic, You could call it whatever you want.
1363
01:24:47.159 --> 01:24:49.920
Thinking in terms of magic, they've taught us to think
1364
01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:53.800
that's a silly notion, that's childish thinking, all of that.
1365
01:24:54.479 --> 01:24:57.840
But if you just redefine the term magic as causal engineering,
1366
01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:02.840
then un stand what's been done here. They're using different
1367
01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:07.119
frameworks that the human mind doesn't constantly recognize in the
1368
01:25:07.119 --> 01:25:10.920
modern era because we've been taught to think of that
1369
01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:14.159
type of a notion as having nothing to it. And
1370
01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:19.399
it's an important concept. It's about images, images and symbols.
1371
01:25:19.840 --> 01:25:24.680
They invoke this archetypal thought form within the human mind,
1372
01:25:25.239 --> 01:25:28.000
and these people are masters of manipulating that. Now, what
1373
01:25:28.159 --> 01:25:31.279
is this archetypal thought form, Well, it varies from symbol
1374
01:25:31.279 --> 01:25:33.800
to symbol and the intention that's embedded in the symbol,
1375
01:25:34.439 --> 01:25:36.239
and all of this ties back to what is the
1376
01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:40.760
nature of consciousness? And this is wherein we have very
1377
01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:43.840
many problems in trying to relate to these things because
1378
01:25:43.880 --> 01:25:46.560
you have to think deeply and clearly about this topic
1379
01:25:46.800 --> 01:25:49.640
to understand some of these concepts, and most people are
1380
01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:52.720
not accustomed to doing so. So, in turn, what are
1381
01:25:52.720 --> 01:25:55.600
we talking about when we're talking about an archetype. Now,
1382
01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:59.840
this is something that the unconscious human mind recognizes because
1383
01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:07.359
of inherent experience or inherent genetic predisposition to this. Now
1384
01:26:07.359 --> 01:26:11.560
they call it in modern terms, they call it epigenetic
1385
01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:15.600
memory or genetic memory. It's called in many of the
1386
01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:21.039
Shamanic traditions as ancestral memory. It's called very many different things.
1387
01:26:21.119 --> 01:26:27.199
It's called the ecashic record some occultics. But essentially everybody
1388
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:30.720
agrees there's this notion there that there's this background information,
1389
01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:36.479
this information field that we access just based upon our existence,
1390
01:26:36.520 --> 01:26:40.159
that it's embedded in our DNA in a sense. So
1391
01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:44.279
this whole idea archetype that's where in this lies. Your
1392
01:26:44.359 --> 01:26:48.920
unconscious mind will recognize an archetypal energy form and it
1393
01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:52.520
will affect you on a subconscious level, which will eventually
1394
01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:57.479
alter conscious behavior, but you don't recognize it because you
1395
01:26:57.560 --> 01:27:00.560
don't recog it. It empowers that idea all the more
1396
01:27:00.600 --> 01:27:03.279
so these people that have learned how to leverage these
1397
01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:08.000
archetypal thought forms in that way and manipulate the public
1398
01:27:08.039 --> 01:27:11.199
into accepting things that they normally wouldn't or doing things
1399
01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:15.159
that they normally wouldn't, And this is actually acknowledged in
1400
01:27:15.199 --> 01:27:17.760
the mainstream. So if anybody's thinking this is like woo
1401
01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:20.880
woo stuff, this is acknowledged. I would urge anybody out
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01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:23.199
there to look up a book called The Changing Images
1403
01:27:23.279 --> 01:27:27.640
of Man. This was Stanford Institute's study with researchers like
1404
01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:31.840
Margaret Meade and Joseph Campbell in on it. And in
1405
01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:37.960
this work they acknowledge that they will use mythology and
1406
01:27:38.119 --> 01:27:43.079
allegory and things of that nature symbolically to change man's
1407
01:27:43.119 --> 01:27:46.119
image of himself and to change man's image of what
1408
01:27:46.199 --> 01:27:49.880
the universe really is. So this is something that's acknowledged
1409
01:27:49.880 --> 01:27:53.680
in the scientific mainstream, and it's by some movers and
1410
01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:57.319
shakers in the social engineering portions of this world. So
1411
01:27:57.640 --> 01:28:01.800
there's something to this. They use, they manipulate mythology and
1412
01:28:02.039 --> 01:28:06.840
these different archetype energies and ideas to change human behavior
1413
01:28:07.399 --> 01:28:11.720
mass psychology, and this is acknowledged in that work in particular,
1414
01:28:11.800 --> 01:28:14.319
and others as well. But that is the best one
1415
01:28:14.319 --> 01:28:16.159
I could point out because it says in there and
1416
01:28:16.239 --> 01:28:19.840
know uncertain terms, we understand there's some subjective things about
1417
01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:23.399
human behavior that perhaps we don't quite have a full
1418
01:28:23.439 --> 01:28:26.840
grasp of. But that's why we need subjective things like
1419
01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:31.800
mythology and different storytelling motifs and stuff like that to
1420
01:28:32.039 --> 01:28:36.039
influence human behavior. So they recognize this a subjective thing
1421
01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:39.680
that can't be objectively measured accurately, but they can still
1422
01:28:39.800 --> 01:28:42.399
leverage it in certain ways to get a generalized effect.
1423
01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:46.159
So this is what's it revealed in that book in particular.
1424
01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:50.239
So I think, what's going on now? Getting back tying
1425
01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:52.640
back to the original topic we're talking about, because I
1426
01:28:52.640 --> 01:28:54.079
know this goes all over the place, but.
1427
01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:57.960
Well we catch everything go everywhere, right.
1428
01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:02.720
I guess so. But going back to the archetype involved here,
1429
01:29:02.720 --> 01:29:06.840
we're talking about the archetype of the alien, and there's
1430
01:29:06.920 --> 01:29:12.560
just so much that is attached to that idea subtle
1431
01:29:12.640 --> 01:29:17.520
nuance that most people don't put up upon because we're
1432
01:29:17.640 --> 01:29:22.720
not taking that way. We've been in sort of programmed
1433
01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:26.399
through science fiction media to look at aliens as a
1434
01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:29.880
certain type of thing. Right, We're thinking in terms of
1435
01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:35.600
it's an extra terrestrial, it's from another planet in outer space.
1436
01:29:36.600 --> 01:29:40.319
So that's what they've been trying to engineer into the
1437
01:29:40.359 --> 01:29:44.199
cultural mindset. And I think they've been hugely successful at this.
1438
01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:46.880
But any thoughts there, Chris, before I go a little
1439
01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:47.560
further down the.
1440
01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:50.000
Road, Well, that's exactly what I want to get to.
1441
01:29:50.199 --> 01:29:55.640
I wanted to explore this psychological operation of UFOs and
1442
01:29:55.720 --> 01:30:01.479
extraterrestrials since it really started getting in introduced into the
1443
01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:06.399
blick after World War Two that you see very few
1444
01:30:06.520 --> 01:30:11.079
accounts of what people would really understand as extraterrestrial encounters
1445
01:30:11.399 --> 01:30:14.159
before this time period. It was around the forties and
1446
01:30:14.199 --> 01:30:18.279
fifties when we really start seeing the flying saucer phenomena
1447
01:30:18.359 --> 01:30:22.920
pick up, and it evolved from there based on different
1448
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:25.640
events that would occur that would, just like we were
1449
01:30:25.680 --> 01:30:29.800
talking about earlier, shift the public consciousness into a certain direction.
1450
01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:34.640
It went saucers to these tic TACs that we see now,
1451
01:30:34.680 --> 01:30:39.960
and other strange amorphous lights and different types of would
1452
01:30:40.000 --> 01:30:43.560
look like plasma entities and things like that. But the
1453
01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:51.159
phenomena itself seems to be evolving as we experience these events.
1454
01:30:51.199 --> 01:30:55.840
But these events are most likely being manufactured in some
1455
01:30:56.039 --> 01:30:59.279
way based on a lot of the evidence that we have.
1456
01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:03.239
I want to also get your insights into how deep
1457
01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:07.159
this goes, How deep of an operation is this do
1458
01:31:07.239 --> 01:31:12.119
you believe that the military is actually involved with possibly
1459
01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:18.000
abducting people these nefairious groups actually taking people, or other
1460
01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:23.279
types of mind control techniques like drugs or any maybe
1461
01:31:23.319 --> 01:31:26.720
some advanced technology. If you look at the Camello story
1462
01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:31.039
by Robert Guffey, even in the nineties, they were employing
1463
01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:37.079
some of these very extreme tactics of surveillance and harassment
1464
01:31:37.279 --> 01:31:42.600
using extremely advanced technologies. So how far do you think
1465
01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:44.720
that this goes? How deep is the operation?
1466
01:31:46.520 --> 01:31:51.000
Well, I think it's definitely a very deep operation. And
1467
01:31:51.159 --> 01:31:55.720
you consider and keep in mind that the special access
1468
01:31:55.760 --> 01:31:59.279
programs within the auspices of the military industrial complex are
1469
01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:02.640
bare minim thirty to fifty years in advance of what
1470
01:32:02.720 --> 01:32:06.159
we consider the most high tech in the mainstream. Then
1471
01:32:06.199 --> 01:32:10.199
you have to realize there's technologies that have been operated
1472
01:32:10.239 --> 01:32:12.159
in secret for a long time that we may be
1473
01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:16.279
largely aware of even still, So with that being the case,
1474
01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:19.960
we can see that something like that is definitely a possibility.
1475
01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:23.840
So I don't discredit the idea of mill labs as
1476
01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:27.239
they're known military abductions, and I think a large portion
1477
01:32:27.279 --> 01:32:30.439
of the phenomena is related to that. I think a
1478
01:32:30.520 --> 01:32:33.479
large portion of what we call the UFO phenomena. In
1479
01:32:33.520 --> 01:32:36.760
the modern day is largely human tech, and I've been
1480
01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:40.760
able to trace back a lot of the linear progression
1481
01:32:40.880 --> 01:32:44.520
of this technology all the way back to Nikola Tesla
1482
01:32:44.760 --> 01:32:48.800
and even past him when it became more further developed.
1483
01:32:49.039 --> 01:32:53.000
It became developed by a gentleman named Tea Townshend Brown. Now,
1484
01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:58.319
this guy was employed by the Naval Department and was
1485
01:32:58.640 --> 01:33:02.800
very highly regarded art in the intelligence community and by
1486
01:33:02.840 --> 01:33:07.279
those different groups within this military industrial complex. He was
1487
01:33:07.359 --> 01:33:10.760
highly regarded. He was an intelligent guy, and he discovered
1488
01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:13.520
something in his youth in the nineteen twenties that's called
1489
01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:16.560
the Bifield Brown effect. And a lot of this relates
1490
01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:21.000
back to electrogravitic propulsion systems that have been developed by
1491
01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:25.239
the military and others. At least that's my viewpoint, And
1492
01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:29.520
I see the evidence of this everywhere, but can't really
1493
01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:32.560
prove it because they until they come out and they say, yeah,
1494
01:33:32.600 --> 01:33:37.079
we have ultrogravitic or gravity control device technology that we've
1495
01:33:37.079 --> 01:33:41.880
been employing within the military complex for a while now,
1496
01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:44.720
until they come forward and say that, you can't absolutely
1497
01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:48.039
say that with proof positive because the way they've done
1498
01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:52.199
this and developed these technologies they've done it in a
1499
01:33:52.239 --> 01:33:56.119
way where they bypass the standard protocols of government oversight.
1500
01:33:56.880 --> 01:34:00.720
What they do is they subcontract out these projects to CORES,
1501
01:34:01.439 --> 01:34:04.640
and these corporations take in these projects, and of course
1502
01:34:04.640 --> 01:34:07.079
those that work on it within the corporation have to
1503
01:34:07.119 --> 01:34:10.920
have special top secret access and clearance and security clearance,
1504
01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:13.640
the kind of thing, so they get vetted for that,
1505
01:34:14.079 --> 01:34:17.239
and when they have this access, then they're given need
1506
01:34:17.279 --> 01:34:21.479
to NOBASIS for certain programs within these corporations that take
1507
01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:24.960
on these projects. And what happens is because it's a
1508
01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:29.600
corporation developing the technologies they're in, this is not something
1509
01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:35.199
that can be revealed through FOYA Freedom of Information Act clearance.
1510
01:34:35.800 --> 01:34:39.119
So if you go and give a FOIL request to say,
1511
01:34:39.479 --> 01:34:44.840
some military agency or some other quasi governmental agency looking
1512
01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:47.520
for UFO information, you're not going to find it because
1513
01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:51.279
they could heide it in the corporation under the auspices
1514
01:34:51.319 --> 01:34:55.159
of what they call proprietary information, and thereore, they don't
1515
01:34:55.159 --> 01:34:59.239
have to reveal those secrets to the public through FOYA request.
1516
01:34:59.720 --> 01:35:02.800
So so there's no accountability and there's no way to
1517
01:35:02.840 --> 01:35:06.840
really find out what they've been doing, short of perhaps
1518
01:35:07.159 --> 01:35:11.079
I don't know the threat of arrest or being tried
1519
01:35:11.119 --> 01:35:13.119
for tree reason or some such thing of the United
1520
01:35:13.159 --> 01:35:16.199
States Congress if they don't reveal what they have. I
1521
01:35:16.199 --> 01:35:18.520
don't see that really happening. But they are pushing for
1522
01:35:18.560 --> 01:35:22.239
this UFO disclosure idea because many of these technologies I
1523
01:35:22.319 --> 01:35:27.159
think are the key to moving forward here in the future.
1524
01:35:27.479 --> 01:35:30.359
I think we can alter our world. If these technologies
1525
01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:33.520
ever came to the forefront, it would absolutely overnight change
1526
01:35:33.520 --> 01:35:36.720
our world in ways we could only begin to imagine.
1527
01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:38.720
And I think it would really upset the apple cart
1528
01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:42.560
in the beginning, because our entire financial system would collapse
1529
01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:48.720
overnight when you're not dependent upon oil as an energy
1530
01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:53.319
source anymore. Well, that completely rearranges all the deck chairs
1531
01:35:53.319 --> 01:35:55.560
on the Titanic in a sense, doesn't it.
1532
01:35:57.039 --> 01:35:59.960
Do you think they're going to the extent of interview
1533
01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:04.319
hearing in people's lives as far as possible abductions, are
1534
01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:10.119
drugging people to perpetuate this agenda.
1535
01:36:10.199 --> 01:36:13.520
I think it's been done. I don't know what exactly
1536
01:36:13.680 --> 01:36:17.640
is their purpose for doing that, maybe to further the
1537
01:36:17.680 --> 01:36:18.640
whole Well, we.
1538
01:36:18.600 --> 01:36:23.039
Have plenty of experiencers, quote unquote experiencers and abductees that
1539
01:36:23.119 --> 01:36:28.199
have had these incredible experiences that they in turn go
1540
01:36:28.359 --> 01:36:30.439
onto to a conference they're getting, they go on the
1541
01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:34.239
big talk shows, and they become very well known, and
1542
01:36:34.359 --> 01:36:39.119
they are perpetuating a certain UFO narrative. And they have
1543
01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:42.560
a lot of folks that are former intelligence right now.
1544
01:36:42.600 --> 01:36:46.479
They are former military that have become very entrenched in
1545
01:36:46.560 --> 01:36:49.920
the UFO community, and they are speaking on behalf of
1546
01:36:49.960 --> 01:36:54.199
the UFO community, and they're involved with UFO research, and
1547
01:36:54.319 --> 01:36:57.840
some have even admitted that they are still involved with
1548
01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:01.479
counter intelligence operations at the same time that they're in
1549
01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:05.680
the UFO community. So that alone sends up enough red flags.
1550
01:37:06.039 --> 01:37:09.479
But I think that people are being inserted into the
1551
01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:13.960
community at the least to perpetuate some of these narratives.
1552
01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:20.239
But as far as recreating an extraterrestrial experience with an
1553
01:37:20.319 --> 01:37:25.960
individual by a nefarious group, I've heard from individuals that
1554
01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:28.479
they believe that this is happening. I don't know.
1555
01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:33.000
I've heard from individuals as well that this is certainly
1556
01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:36.560
a thing. You can actually talk to a lot of
1557
01:37:36.600 --> 01:37:38.920
people who claim to have been involved with a mill
1558
01:37:39.039 --> 01:37:44.119
ab or a military abduction. So of course they're trying
1559
01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:48.079
to really push this whole notion of aliens and I
1560
01:37:48.119 --> 01:37:49.640
think there's a lot of that. There's a lot of
1561
01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:53.119
infiltration in the UFO research community, and a lot of
1562
01:37:53.239 --> 01:37:56.600
people that claim to be former intelligence operatives are in there.
1563
01:37:57.079 --> 01:37:59.479
And if you know anything about the intelligence community, there's
1564
01:37:59.479 --> 01:38:04.439
no such thing as a former intelligence operative. They never retire.
1565
01:38:04.239 --> 01:38:08.760
They're bound until the day they die to work for
1566
01:38:08.840 --> 01:38:11.920
the agency. And here's the thing, and a lot of
1567
01:38:11.920 --> 01:38:15.520
people don't necessarily realize this. The intelligence community, where do
1568
01:38:15.560 --> 01:38:18.880
you think it got its ideas, from its operational standards
1569
01:38:18.880 --> 01:38:23.119
from from secret society groups. It's the same ocean that
1570
01:38:23.159 --> 01:38:26.600
goes on from there. The original secret society groups were
1571
01:38:26.640 --> 01:38:31.319
the original intelligence agencies. It's just been kind of expanded
1572
01:38:31.359 --> 01:38:35.880
out and blown out into this whole government funded operation now,
1573
01:38:35.880 --> 01:38:39.079
and that's where it becomes extremely dangerous. It's created a
1574
01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:43.640
situation where you have a group of people with no
1575
01:38:43.720 --> 01:38:48.960
accountability out there operating ad hoc however they want. So
1576
01:38:50.239 --> 01:38:53.680
this sets up a situation wherein you could have this runaway,
1577
01:38:53.720 --> 01:38:59.720
breakaway civilization that's taken hold within the structure in a
1578
01:38:59.720 --> 01:39:04.960
pair of cidic type fashion of national governments and international governments.
1579
01:39:05.640 --> 01:39:09.319
So I think that's largely what's gone on, and who knows.
1580
01:39:09.600 --> 01:39:12.760
I mean, all the things you hear about UFOs and
1581
01:39:12.920 --> 01:39:16.159
aliens that comes out, it's always a second hand source.
1582
01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:20.159
There's never any primary evidence that supports any claims. It's
1583
01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:23.560
always just, well, I saw a document that says there
1584
01:39:23.560 --> 01:39:26.479
were aliens, or I got a glimpse through a dark
1585
01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:29.960
hallway through a door at an alien body or some
1586
01:39:30.119 --> 01:39:33.520
such thing, that these aliens exist. And you hear about
1587
01:39:33.600 --> 01:39:36.560
these underground and labs and stuff like that. We're in
1588
01:39:36.560 --> 01:39:40.840
there supposedly genetically engineering different things. And I think that's
1589
01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:44.119
another science that's largely been covered up in the auspice
1590
01:39:44.119 --> 01:39:48.039
of the military industrial complex too, is this whole biological
1591
01:39:48.079 --> 01:39:51.880
notion of cloning and genetic engineering that's gone on. That's
1592
01:39:51.880 --> 01:39:54.159
probably way further advance than we think. And I think
1593
01:39:54.159 --> 01:39:56.920
the only reason we haven't really seen a viable quote
1594
01:39:57.000 --> 01:39:59.399
unquote alien yet is because they haven't been able to
1595
01:39:59.439 --> 01:40:02.439
engineer one, and that would sufficiently pass the test of
1596
01:40:02.520 --> 01:40:06.600
the public as far as appearance goes. So we may
1597
01:40:06.640 --> 01:40:08.640
be seeing that in the near future. I don't know.
1598
01:40:09.760 --> 01:40:12.079
I don't claim to have the answers. I've studied this
1599
01:40:12.119 --> 01:40:16.520
phenomenon for a long time, and it's always invariably points
1600
01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:19.079
in the two directions, the first of which is always
1601
01:40:19.079 --> 01:40:22.960
the occult, there's always occult ties to this stuff, always.
1602
01:40:23.560 --> 01:40:28.000
And the other direction is to the ends of this
1603
01:40:28.079 --> 01:40:31.520
transhumanist control grid that they seek to set up in
1604
01:40:31.560 --> 01:40:35.680
the world. And they're well underway in setting up this system.
1605
01:40:36.439 --> 01:40:40.079
Let's get into let's get into some of those possibilities
1606
01:40:40.119 --> 01:40:43.319
you were talking earlier that you believe that it may
1607
01:40:43.359 --> 01:40:49.079
not necessarily be what we understand a traditional fake alien invasion,
1608
01:40:49.119 --> 01:40:52.079
that they may have more layers to this than we
1609
01:40:52.119 --> 01:40:53.279
could ever be aware of.
1610
01:40:54.880 --> 01:40:57.520
Absolutely, And I'm going to go ahead, and we're going
1611
01:40:57.560 --> 01:40:58.920
to go back, and we're going to look at the
1612
01:40:58.960 --> 01:41:03.600
original War of the World's scenario by Orson Wells and
1613
01:41:03.680 --> 01:41:07.840
the Princeton Radio Group that occurred back in nineteen thirty eight,
1614
01:41:08.640 --> 01:41:12.720
if memory serves me, thirty eight. Well, this whole operation
1615
01:41:14.319 --> 01:41:18.000
caused quite a national stir. And actually it's said that
1616
01:41:18.039 --> 01:41:21.600
in Grover's Mills they destroyed their water tower thinking it
1617
01:41:21.640 --> 01:41:24.159
was one of these Martian walkers. So this was a
1618
01:41:24.199 --> 01:41:28.199
psychological test, was an operation, and this is well acknowledged
1619
01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:31.439
by the Princeton Radio Group and a gentleman named Hadley
1620
01:41:31.680 --> 01:41:35.079
Cantrell that wrote a book based upon this. So they
1621
01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:38.479
were collecting data back then to see how the public
1622
01:41:38.520 --> 01:41:44.319
would react to a day daily an invasion, essentially what
1623
01:41:44.359 --> 01:41:47.319
they're thinking would be and at that point they came
1624
01:41:47.359 --> 01:41:52.439
to some certain conclusions about that wherein they thought the
1625
01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:57.920
public perhaps would panic in such a way just based
1626
01:41:58.000 --> 01:42:00.680
upon the evidence that he had seen. And they also
1627
01:42:01.960 --> 01:42:05.920
in so doing they were gathering some more important information
1628
01:42:06.039 --> 01:42:07.920
than that, and this has to do anything to do
1629
01:42:07.960 --> 01:42:12.720
with social engineering. They were monitoring what the effects of
1630
01:42:12.920 --> 01:42:17.439
radio broadcasts can convince people as being true, and this
1631
01:42:17.600 --> 01:42:20.760
was later applied to the notion of television, the Internet,
1632
01:42:21.119 --> 01:42:23.560
all the other forms of media that we have now.
1633
01:42:24.279 --> 01:42:27.439
The initiative they collected from this Princeton Radio Group study
1634
01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:31.319
that was the source in Wells broadcast. That's one of
1635
01:42:31.319 --> 01:42:34.239
the early things that they used to come to the
1636
01:42:34.279 --> 01:42:38.319
realization that hey, we could use this as a programming tool,
1637
01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:43.359
and they've since done so, not just with radio and television,
1638
01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:47.399
the Internet, everything all across the board. And when you
1639
01:42:47.439 --> 01:42:51.439
realize that over ninety percent of all media is owned
1640
01:42:51.439 --> 01:42:58.039
and controlled by a very small group of corporations and
1641
01:42:58.039 --> 01:43:02.640
that the informations all sent through central resources, which are
1642
01:43:02.680 --> 01:43:06.560
known as newswire services. Then you could see how they
1643
01:43:06.560 --> 01:43:09.239
could do this top down control in this top down
1644
01:43:09.239 --> 01:43:13.520
dissemination information. So they realized that they could hugely influence
1645
01:43:13.640 --> 01:43:17.359
public consciousness using these tools. They've only since doubled down
1646
01:43:17.399 --> 01:43:21.960
against that. So here's the whole notion here. So they've
1647
01:43:22.000 --> 01:43:25.439
they've come up with this alien archetype, this archetypal thing,
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01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:30.279
this unknown, this fear of the unknown in the human mind,
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01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:34.840
and this is the archetype they're leveraging against people. Of course,
1650
01:43:34.880 --> 01:43:39.159
it's the fear archetype, fear of the unknown. And I
1651
01:43:39.199 --> 01:43:42.640
would say that what they've done is they've taken this archetype,
1652
01:43:42.640 --> 01:43:46.960
this alien motif and archetype, and they've leveraged it against
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01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:49.560
the human mind in this way, because what do we know?
1654
01:43:49.840 --> 01:43:52.359
Do you remember the story of War of the World.
1655
01:43:52.760 --> 01:44:01.119
What killed the motions in War of the worlds germs, germs, bacteria. Now,
1656
01:44:02.279 --> 01:44:06.920
there's always through all science fiction motifs, when you look
1657
01:44:07.560 --> 01:44:15.600
at this whole alien motif, there's always an attachment or
1658
01:44:15.640 --> 01:44:22.439
a type of inference within the narrative of disease. Disease.
1659
01:44:24.079 --> 01:44:29.039
Just prior to the rollout of COVID, we had to
1660
01:44:29.159 --> 01:44:34.399
the Stars Academy come out revealing this alien information, and
1661
01:44:34.439 --> 01:44:36.960
we're seeing a continuation of that going on now that
1662
01:44:37.000 --> 01:44:40.399
they've only just recently brought this up after the whole
1663
01:44:40.399 --> 01:44:45.279
COVID pandemic situation. Remember, prior to the COVID pandemic situation,
1664
01:44:45.319 --> 01:44:48.920
you had to the Stars Academy and Tom DeLonge from
1665
01:44:49.079 --> 01:44:51.800
Link one to eighty two out there disseminating this information,
1666
01:44:51.920 --> 01:44:55.239
working with former intelligence officials like hal put Off and
1667
01:44:56.399 --> 01:44:58.760
why is his name escaping me all over the place?
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01:44:59.319 --> 01:45:04.439
Who's the also? Thank you? Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes
1669
01:45:04.479 --> 01:45:07.239
the information escapes, But you have these guys out there
1670
01:45:07.359 --> 01:45:10.359
were promoting this at the time, and they came forward
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01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:14.520
with DeLonge and we're trying to get this information out there.
1672
01:45:14.560 --> 01:45:17.760
That's when this whole tic tac Ufo footage and everything surfaced.
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01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:21.239
So they were laying the foundation. Then, well, here's the thing.
1674
01:45:21.279 --> 01:45:24.760
We did a program on this on Crow Triple seven Radio.
1675
01:45:24.800 --> 01:45:27.920
It was episode number one sixty nine where we took
1676
01:45:27.920 --> 01:45:31.439
a part this whole the Star's Academy bit and this
1677
01:45:31.520 --> 01:45:34.760
whole notion. And remember this was prior to the pandemic,
1678
01:45:35.760 --> 01:45:40.439
wherein I began to notice many of the people that
1679
01:45:40.479 --> 01:45:46.439
were on Delange's team that he put together were either virologists, microbiologists,
1680
01:45:47.000 --> 01:45:49.560
or many of these other things that don't seem to
1681
01:45:49.600 --> 01:45:53.800
relate to any type of spacecraft idea or space ideology.
1682
01:45:54.439 --> 01:45:56.880
There were several of them on his team. Now I
1683
01:45:56.920 --> 01:45:59.680
don't remember their names and positions within to the Stars
1684
01:45:59.680 --> 01:46:01.119
a cap to me off the top of my head.
1685
01:46:01.159 --> 01:46:03.399
But we did an entire breakdown. We did a whole
1686
01:46:03.439 --> 01:46:07.079
episode on this on Grow Triple seven Radio, and then
1687
01:46:07.199 --> 01:46:10.640
we began to notice this attachment that seems to be
1688
01:46:10.640 --> 01:46:13.560
a motif that runs deep with the whole alien narrative,
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01:46:13.960 --> 01:46:18.319
that attaches to the idea of viruses or bacteria or germs,
1690
01:46:19.800 --> 01:46:26.239
and I think there's a definitive connection there. So fast
1691
01:46:26.279 --> 01:46:29.239
forward a couple years from when they were starting to
1692
01:46:29.359 --> 01:46:33.359
roll this out, you roll on UO disclosure, and then
1693
01:46:33.399 --> 01:46:36.960
we had the onset of this pandemic, this alleged pandemic
1694
01:46:37.000 --> 01:46:43.279
that affected the world in many ways. So now here
1695
01:46:43.319 --> 01:46:46.880
we are post pandemic. They finally lifted most of the
1696
01:46:46.920 --> 01:46:49.600
restrictions and everything, and it's kind of faded off into
1697
01:46:49.600 --> 01:46:52.439
the sunset. Now now they're out there rolling out the
1698
01:46:52.479 --> 01:46:56.520
alien agenda again and in the meantime, you have other
1699
01:46:56.560 --> 01:47:00.239
people out there perhaps pushing thea that there will be
1700
01:47:00.720 --> 01:47:03.640
a future pandemic that's coming that will be worse than
1701
01:47:03.680 --> 01:47:07.279
this last one. Now, I would caution people pay attention
1702
01:47:07.560 --> 01:47:12.319
to this because maybe that's the alien invasion that we're
1703
01:47:12.399 --> 01:47:18.520
looking at here again, because let's face it, humanity in
1704
01:47:18.880 --> 01:47:23.960
reaction to the whole COVID thing pretty much willingly gave
1705
01:47:24.000 --> 01:47:28.600
away many of their human rights on a massive scale.
1706
01:47:28.680 --> 01:47:31.279
Now it's been said that I think it's sixty nine
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01:47:31.319 --> 01:47:33.960
percent of the overall world population went out and got
1708
01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:37.319
at least one of these COVID vaccines at least one dose.
1709
01:47:38.319 --> 01:47:43.800
That's a massive number of people, and that screams social engineering.
1710
01:47:44.359 --> 01:47:47.520
They tried to coerce people every way they can, almost
1711
01:47:47.600 --> 01:47:50.520
forced people in certain situations. Hey, you want to keep
1712
01:47:50.560 --> 01:47:54.119
your job, you need to go get this. Look what
1713
01:47:54.159 --> 01:47:57.960
they've done. Now, think back to the Orson Wells thing.
1714
01:48:00.319 --> 01:48:03.600
This is the culmination of what the data that they gathered.
1715
01:48:03.640 --> 01:48:07.800
Then they learned the best ways to manipulate a society
1716
01:48:07.840 --> 01:48:13.279
with this archetype okay, the alien, which is the archetype
1717
01:48:13.359 --> 01:48:17.680
of fear of the unknown. And they put a face
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01:48:17.800 --> 01:48:20.119
or a personification on that, and much of the time
1719
01:48:20.439 --> 01:48:23.840
that's what they do with these archetypal ideas. They will
1720
01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:26.640
present it as a symbol because see, when they give
1721
01:48:26.640 --> 01:48:29.640
you a symbol, or they give you a personification of
1722
01:48:29.680 --> 01:48:33.680
a thing, it empowers it and then it can be
1723
01:48:33.760 --> 01:48:38.079
leveraged and used by those who understand the intention behind it.
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01:48:38.359 --> 01:48:41.760
This is the whole basis that mythology operates on. You
1725
01:48:41.840 --> 01:48:46.560
really think people in the ancient times were thatm really
1726
01:48:46.920 --> 01:48:49.800
the way we present them in our modern history books stuff. Oh,
1727
01:48:49.840 --> 01:48:52.039
they were backwards and they believe that such and such
1728
01:48:52.039 --> 01:48:54.319
a god did this, and a god did that. They
1729
01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:58.680
weren't talking about gods. This was a personification of natural
1730
01:48:58.840 --> 01:49:03.279
energies that people recognized that they gave a name and
1731
01:49:03.319 --> 01:49:07.039
a face to which empowered the symbol or the archetype.
1732
01:49:07.279 --> 01:49:09.800
And this is why Manly P. Hall says, when man
1733
01:49:09.880 --> 01:49:12.920
learns to recognize the language of symbology, I think veil
1734
01:49:13.039 --> 01:49:17.239
will fall from his eyes. That's exactly what they mean.
1735
01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:22.800
So when you recognize the archetype at play, No, they're
1736
01:49:22.880 --> 01:49:27.000
ramping up some sort of in fear factor or unknown
1737
01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:28.840
thing in fear factor. Do you think that was just
1738
01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:31.079
a clever name for a TV show that the Joe
1739
01:49:31.159 --> 01:49:35.840
Rogan on prior to him becoming such a big deal. Really,
1740
01:49:35.960 --> 01:49:39.039
so you kind of think about these things.
1741
01:49:39.199 --> 01:49:42.119
There's always the fear, for we always have to have
1742
01:49:42.239 --> 01:49:47.039
the invisible enemy, or we wouldn't need Daddy government and
1743
01:49:47.119 --> 01:49:51.439
military industrial complex to protect us from said enemy, or
1744
01:49:52.199 --> 01:49:55.560
new modern science as our new religion so that they
1745
01:49:55.600 --> 01:49:59.359
can figure out a cure for any type of pandemic
1746
01:49:59.479 --> 01:50:01.680
or disease that may be threatening us.
1747
01:50:01.920 --> 01:50:04.840
Well, I would I'd urge anybody out there go ahead
1748
01:50:04.880 --> 01:50:08.000
and just google alien virus and look at all the
1749
01:50:08.039 --> 01:50:10.239
returns you're going to get. In fact, there was even
1750
01:50:10.359 --> 01:50:13.560
it was even said by some people that perhaps COVID
1751
01:50:13.920 --> 01:50:17.359
came from outer space. This is not a new thing.
1752
01:50:17.399 --> 01:50:19.479
This is a trope that's been going on for a
1753
01:50:19.520 --> 01:50:23.479
long time now. So yes, certainly we can see that
1754
01:50:23.640 --> 01:50:27.039
perhaps that will be their narrative. Perhaps we will have
1755
01:50:27.479 --> 01:50:30.600
quote unquote alien visitating here and then all of a
1756
01:50:30.640 --> 01:50:32.920
sudden we'll have a disease outbreak or some such thing
1757
01:50:32.960 --> 01:50:37.000
that they'll blame on the inversion of these aliens. Whether
1758
01:50:37.039 --> 01:50:40.239
it's a friendly invasion or well, you can't call it
1759
01:50:40.279 --> 01:50:42.800
a friendly invasion or a friendly contact we should say,
1760
01:50:43.119 --> 01:50:46.920
or an invasion. Perhaps that's the notion they'll go to
1761
01:50:47.039 --> 01:50:49.039
with this. Now. I do reserve the right to be
1762
01:50:49.119 --> 01:50:52.680
totally wrong about all of this, obviously, but it seems
1763
01:50:52.680 --> 01:50:54.520
to me there's that inherent connection.
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01:50:54.600 --> 01:51:00.279
There's present too much time, too much energy. They've put
1765
01:51:00.319 --> 01:51:05.720
too much into the psychological operation of the next pandemic
1766
01:51:05.840 --> 01:51:09.520
to not take advantage of it. So why not beef
1767
01:51:09.560 --> 01:51:12.399
it up and combine it with an alien threat? That
1768
01:51:12.439 --> 01:51:17.600
would be the ultimate operation to gain control over humanity?
1769
01:51:17.720 --> 01:51:21.079
Right, win or winner in dinner. That's the whole notion
1770
01:51:21.159 --> 01:51:24.439
that I think is coming here, Chris. That's my that's
1771
01:51:24.479 --> 01:51:27.880
my intuition on all of They think they're going to
1772
01:51:28.319 --> 01:51:31.039
concurrently push both of those. And it may not look
1773
01:51:31.119 --> 01:51:34.520
like an alien invasion, because that's what they've been talking
1774
01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:37.720
about now for at least the past three decades. This
1775
01:51:37.880 --> 01:51:41.119
idea of a mock alien invasion might not be that,
1776
01:51:41.199 --> 01:51:44.279
but it might be just simply contact with an alien
1777
01:51:44.359 --> 01:51:47.199
race that perhaps visits are and then all of a sudden,
1778
01:51:47.800 --> 01:51:52.720
we have this new disease that's super deadly to mankind,
1779
01:51:53.359 --> 01:51:56.079
or at least that's what the claim will be, or
1780
01:51:56.279 --> 01:51:59.479
you know, the claim that these are quote unquote extraterrestrials
1781
01:51:59.479 --> 01:52:03.079
that have visited here that I think is the notion
1782
01:52:03.199 --> 01:52:05.439
that we might coming. So I think it's a hugely
1783
01:52:05.479 --> 01:52:07.520
important idea for people to consider here.
1784
01:52:07.800 --> 01:52:11.720
Do you think that there is an anomalous phenomena that's
1785
01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:18.760
occurring with non human intelligences or entities where people are
1786
01:52:18.800 --> 01:52:24.159
interacting with something, Where there is something occurring that is
1787
01:52:24.319 --> 01:52:29.560
either communicating with humanity, manifesting in some way to certain
1788
01:52:29.680 --> 01:52:37.000
individuals and causing a causing certain people to have experiences
1789
01:52:37.039 --> 01:52:41.399
that they can't explain, where they only understand as they're
1790
01:52:41.520 --> 01:52:45.880
communicating or having contact with an extraterrestrial Could there be
1791
01:52:46.359 --> 01:52:52.560
these interdimensional Are these entities that reside in different spectrums
1792
01:52:52.600 --> 01:52:55.920
that we can't perceive, that are attempting to communicate us,
1793
01:52:56.560 --> 01:53:01.239
communicate with us that aren't necessarily the terrestrials that were
1794
01:53:01.239 --> 01:53:02.119
being told about.
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01:53:03.600 --> 01:53:06.159
I have one hundred percent think there is definitely a
1796
01:53:06.199 --> 01:53:12.920
real phenomenon here. There's absolutely these beings or entities or
1797
01:53:12.960 --> 01:53:16.199
whatever you want to call them, intelligences that do sometimes
1798
01:53:16.239 --> 01:53:20.239
contact people. I would say it's probably something more akin
1799
01:53:20.359 --> 01:53:24.319
to a spiritual thing rather than a physical material world
1800
01:53:24.399 --> 01:53:28.239
reality here. Maybe sometimes they can manifest in a material
1801
01:53:28.279 --> 01:53:31.880
type way here. But there's definitely something to this phenomenon
1802
01:53:31.920 --> 01:53:34.760
because it pre dates all of the modern era. It's
1803
01:53:34.800 --> 01:53:38.199
been talked about in different ways through the ages here,
1804
01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:44.760
spirit manifestations, ghosts, demons, theories, all of these different aspects
1805
01:53:44.760 --> 01:53:46.920
of things have been attributed to this. I think it's
1806
01:53:46.960 --> 01:53:51.600
the same phenomenon or phenomena, a group of phenomena that
1807
01:53:51.640 --> 01:53:54.560
has been leveraged heavily upon here in the modern era
1808
01:53:55.319 --> 01:53:58.279
by the science fiction of the time and equated back
1809
01:53:58.319 --> 01:54:01.520
to this idea of aliens or extraterrestrials. Now, am I
1810
01:54:01.600 --> 01:54:04.880
saying that it's not possible that there's extraterrestrials. Well, no,
1811
01:54:04.960 --> 01:54:08.079
I'm not saying that at all. It's certainly possible. But
1812
01:54:08.199 --> 01:54:10.840
I think the nature of the phenomena that we are
1813
01:54:10.880 --> 01:54:14.359
seeing points to one of two things. It's either a
1814
01:54:14.439 --> 01:54:19.600
man made contrivance that's being inculcated into the minds of
1815
01:54:19.640 --> 01:54:23.520
people through various mind control technologies and techniques, and or
1816
01:54:24.119 --> 01:54:27.319
there's a spiritual phenomena or extra dimensional type of phenomena
1817
01:54:27.359 --> 01:54:30.039
that underlies some of it as well. I think a
1818
01:54:30.039 --> 01:54:33.640
combination of these different factors certainly plays a role here.
1819
01:54:33.960 --> 01:54:37.880
There's a real phenomena. There are real intelligences out there
1820
01:54:38.399 --> 01:54:42.399
that have always been ever present here on earth, and
1821
01:54:42.479 --> 01:54:47.000
sometimes we see into that other world, if you want
1822
01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:49.520
to call it that. And these things have been described
1823
01:54:49.560 --> 01:54:52.199
by the occultists and by the Secret Society groups in
1824
01:54:52.239 --> 01:54:58.399
many ways as far as the different ideas as to
1825
01:54:58.439 --> 01:55:01.640
what these things could be, everything from hierarchies of spiritual
1826
01:55:01.800 --> 01:55:05.199
entities that maybe begin to manifest here, to elementals, to
1827
01:55:05.399 --> 01:55:09.079
various other types of intelligences that guide energetic forces in
1828
01:55:09.119 --> 01:55:12.079
this place. There's all of these different notions, and of
1829
01:55:12.079 --> 01:55:15.399
course you always bring in the idea of the eggrigor
1830
01:55:16.720 --> 01:55:20.319
or the tulpa. This is empowered by human thought and
1831
01:55:20.439 --> 01:55:22.760
human intention, so you have a.
1832
01:55:22.760 --> 01:55:23.319
Lot of this.
1833
01:55:23.319 --> 01:55:25.319
This ties back to a lot of the same teachings
1834
01:55:25.359 --> 01:55:28.680
as well. So you have manifestations here that begin in
1835
01:55:28.720 --> 01:55:32.359
the realm of thought and then they manifest at some
1836
01:55:32.520 --> 01:55:36.439
point even physically or materially here. You could look at
1837
01:55:36.439 --> 01:55:40.920
these different philosophies from many different perspectives. But the whole
1838
01:55:40.960 --> 01:55:44.880
point is, yes, there's a definitive phenomena that is concurrent
1839
01:55:45.000 --> 01:55:47.880
with this. Now, does it relate to the notion of
1840
01:55:47.920 --> 01:55:50.840
this quote unquote alien invasion that we may or may
1841
01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:53.439
not see coming. I don't think it does. I think
1842
01:55:53.479 --> 01:55:56.479
that's largely a contrivance by those in this world who
1843
01:55:56.560 --> 01:56:00.359
want to maintain their power here and push man kind
1844
01:56:00.960 --> 01:56:06.239
backwards in his spiritual way of thinking, in his spiritual development,
1845
01:56:06.680 --> 01:56:10.359
and keep him locked in the hyper materialist paradigm. Here.
1846
01:56:11.079 --> 01:56:14.279
Rudolph de Steiner described this as the spirit of Aramon.
1847
01:56:15.000 --> 01:56:17.359
I would describe it as a portion of the spirit
1848
01:56:17.399 --> 01:56:21.319
of Antichrist in the modern day. Here, this is trapping
1849
01:56:21.359 --> 01:56:26.560
people's minds into this material world notion of thinking. This
1850
01:56:26.680 --> 01:56:29.920
is why our science will tell us that consciousness and
1851
01:56:31.279 --> 01:56:35.199
human spirit and all of these things are nothing more
1852
01:56:35.239 --> 01:56:38.439
than the byproducts of the electrochemical activity of the brain
1853
01:56:38.479 --> 01:56:41.239
and brain stem. And all of these things are an illusion,
1854
01:56:41.359 --> 01:56:44.199
that it's just the byproduct of some physical material world
1855
01:56:44.279 --> 01:56:48.159
process here. And if that's the case, if that is true,
1856
01:56:48.199 --> 01:56:50.920
which in my estimation it is not, it is a lie.
1857
01:56:51.800 --> 01:56:54.359
But if that is true, if consciousness can be equated
1858
01:56:54.399 --> 01:56:57.840
to something little more than the electrochemical byproduct of the
1859
01:56:57.880 --> 01:57:01.439
human brain and brain stem, then this can be duplicated
1860
01:57:01.520 --> 01:57:04.800
via algorithm. And if this can be duplicated via algorithm,
1861
01:57:04.800 --> 01:57:09.680
it can be duplicated and become manifest in a machine,
1862
01:57:10.600 --> 01:57:14.279
in a computer, a computer simulation, or some such thing.
1863
01:57:14.880 --> 01:57:18.119
And then therefore you could transfer your consciousness somewhere else.
1864
01:57:18.439 --> 01:57:21.199
And this is what the modern cult of scientism would
1865
01:57:21.239 --> 01:57:23.720
like us to believe, that everything can be equated down
1866
01:57:23.720 --> 01:57:27.880
to a material world, physical cause and effect relationship between
1867
01:57:27.920 --> 01:57:31.720
these various things. But there's something missing. They missed the
1868
01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:36.239
whole spiritual concept and connotation to everything with this way
1869
01:57:36.239 --> 01:57:39.079
of thinking. But that's why they try to steer our
1870
01:57:39.199 --> 01:57:43.439
thinking into this material paradigm. And as I said, Rudolph
1871
01:57:43.439 --> 01:57:47.640
Steiner describes this as the spirit of Araman. The spirit
1872
01:57:47.680 --> 01:57:51.520
of Araman would like you trapped in this material paradigm
1873
01:57:51.560 --> 01:57:54.840
and thinking in this sheer material way of thinking.
1874
01:57:55.560 --> 01:57:59.279
I want to explore a few theories and concepts with
1875
01:57:59.399 --> 01:58:03.640
you based on different conversations I've had with different researchers
1876
01:58:04.359 --> 01:58:07.479
with very different views of what's happening. First of all,
1877
01:58:07.760 --> 01:58:15.039
the UFO aspect, the possibility that there are encounters occurring
1878
01:58:15.079 --> 01:58:21.399
where people are being either experimented on medically or technologically,
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or even being sexually impregnated physically by some sort of
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extraterrestrial being. In turn, making hybrid entities, which this could
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be a large scale operation to globally create hybrid entities
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and in turn gradually change what we are as humanity.
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There's that side. Then I had guests like Nathaniel Gillison
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the other day who does believe this is a completely
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spiritual phenomenon when we're talking about non human intelligences that
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also have the ability to somehow affect our reality in
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ways to where they can impregnate women somehow, what you
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would call incubus or sucubis can impregnate women the same
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thing as happening in a hybridization sense over a long
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period of times, where it's they're attempting to change humanity,
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but it's a more of a metaphysical or spiritual nature.
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What do you think about that?
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Well, I think there is a metaphside to it, for certain,
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and I also think that maybe there is a real
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world physical manifestation of that that can be going on
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to some shape, way, shape or form. All you got
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to do is look back at the story of Genesis,
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chapter six, the incursion of the Watchers in the Book
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of Enoch. All these things you see, all these similar
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things going on. The fallen angels they came down and
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unto the daughters of men, they made it with them,
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and of them were born, being known as the Nephelim,
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which where the hero of old, the great men of renown.
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And it says in the Bible that there were giants
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in those days and also after that. That's what these were.
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This was the incursion of some type of an entity
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that doesn't belong in this material world. It was an
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abomination in the eyes of God, the Creator. And this
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is why many theologians and many people who study these
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things will say that the great flood occurred. It was
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to wipe out this extant group that did not belong here.
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They're not something that belongs in this material manifestation, but
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they seek to be here. And you see this all
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across the different occult organizations and fraternities and brotherhoods. The
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whole notion that there are these spiritual type entities out
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there that seek nothing else than to manifest physically materially
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in this place. It's something that's said to be a
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great desire of those types of beings, whether they be
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fallen angelic being, or whether they be some other type
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of entity like an elemental spirit or some such thing.
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They seek to manifest here and have this physical experience,
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and they are jealous of humans because of this. We're
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jealous of mankind because we are created in the image
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of God and we are here in this material manifestation,
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and this is where our spirits reside, and they want
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nothing more for their spirits to be able to manifest
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in this way, and thus they seek to find different
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ways who get here wellmation?
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Could this also? Could this also be occurring with aspects
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of technology, to where somehow these entities are able to
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inhabit our technology AI like a Golam type sense.
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And I think you were just going the exact place
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where I was heading next with this. Essentially, Yes, that's
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what my view is AI transhumanism. All of these different
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notions I think are a way in which these different
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spiritual manifestations can become or step through the gateway here
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into this place. Now, what you need to understand about this,
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just from my research and the things that I know
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and I've seen and the things that I've been able
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to vet out as well as possible, AI in and
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of itself is not a viable framework for a type
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of spiritual entity to manifest. They need something more. And
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this is where things become a little bit more convoluted
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and a little bit more turning. This has to do
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with this notion of transhumanism. Because we, as human beings
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are made and created in the image and likeness of God.
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Mankind himself is a composite being of sorts. We have
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a physical body, we have a spirit, we have a soul,
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and we have a mind. All of these things combined
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we are a threefold and four square being simultaneously. And
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this is acknowledged in different ways by the secrets of
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side groups. So in order for a spirit to be
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able to fully manifest in this place, in a physical,
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material world sense, it needs to have that type of
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a framework. Now that's missing when it comes to AI.
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But here's the kicker humanity, mankind, the body of man
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created in the image of God. This is the gateway
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between worlds. This is where a spirit can step in
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and manifest. So you've heard of things like walk ins.
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I think there's a very similar phenomena that can occur
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once the transhumanist notion of things takes place. They want
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to merge your mind and your body with the machine.
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In so doing, this creates an artificial form that does
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not exist and is not intended to exist in this
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material reality or this world in which we live and manifest,
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and therefore it becomes an abomination to God and to
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all of creation. It's completely unatural. It's the inversion of
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the whole natural order of things. And at that point
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therein can step in my estimation, a spirit into this place,
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especially when you consider they are promising mankind that through
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this use of transhumanism, you can upload your consciousness into
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a machine. Well, in my view, this is just a ruse.
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Will it actually be the ontological self you that exists there?
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I don't think so. I think it will just be
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a replica andart officially created replica of your behaviors and
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maybe some of your thoughts and this kind of a
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thing in the machine. So therefore it leaves this void.
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So I think it's an advanced form of eugenics. And
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this has been admitted by some pro transhumanists that transhumanism
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is just something that is eugenics based. In fact, there's
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a quote from a protra humanist YouTube channel out there.
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I think it's called transhumania if I remember right, is
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the name of the channel. In one of their videos,
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they said that transhumanism is quote unquote eugenics without coercion.
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So that being the case, this is just part and
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parcel of the whole depopulation campaign that has been talked
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about for many years. They'll convince people that if they
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go ahead and get these transhumanist implants and they upload
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their consciousness to the machine, that they'll live forever and
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that this will benefit them, But in reality, it's just
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a eugenics program to depopulate them. Then their spirit will
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go off, they will actually die in the process of
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replicating their consciousness in a machine. And you could look
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at there's various transhumanist white papers out there talking about this,
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how scanning the brain every component of the brain is possible,
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but it would destroy the brain in the process. So therefore,
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what would happen is, you know, the human being, the spirit,
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the animus that was in that body leaves and moves
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on to the next plane or whatever, and it leaves
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a void, a spiritual void in its place. So that's
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when you could get the notion of perhaps a walk
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in of sorts. So a different spirit steps through the gateway,
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because remember the human being is the gateway.
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Now let's clause on this, Could it be possible that
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if enough people become aware of these agendas, if enough
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people wake up to this and decide not to participate
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or even pay attention to what they're attempting to show us,
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could it possible that we skew the inevitable timeline that
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we could be headed on and prevent a lot of
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these events from occurring.
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I would say that's immensely possible, and I have a
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great deal of hope that we can reject this. That's
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the whole notion. You need to be aware of what's
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being handed to us by these social engineers who run things,
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these dark ocultists at the top of the power structure
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that run things, and we need to reject it. We
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need to get in right relationship with God, our creator,
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and you know, there's various ways we can do that.
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I am an unapologetic Christian, so I see Christ as
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the answer in my view. People, of course, are you know,
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free to think whatever they want about that, but I
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would harken people draw unto Christ, and this, I think
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is the answer that can stab this off, because we
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do see coming to fruition the very things that were
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predicted in the book of revelation and through various places
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in the Bible. So that being the case, I think
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this is part of answer, but the biggest part of
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the answer also is rejecting these things, rejecting these notions,
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understanding the path that they put us on, and let's
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make it harder for these dark occultists at the top
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of the power structure to get what they want. Reject
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things like central bank digital currencies, which are absolutely part
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and parcel of one of the main in constituents to
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putting in place their beast system that they want. Let's
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reject that. We do not ever want to lose the
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notion of using some physical form of currency, because the
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day that we do so is the day that we
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lose the most freedoms ever in human history. Because they're
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not just talking about going digital with their currencies. When
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you're talking about central bank digital currencies, we're talking about
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of all, they're going to centralize all the different types
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of money systems into one. And then second of all,
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they're talking about programmable money, money that you can only
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use to buy certain things, or it has an expiration date,
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or any factor, any combination of these different factors in play,
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including and not limited to a social credits we're attached
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thereof So if you are a bad boy and you
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post something on YouTube that doesn't align with the mainstream narrative,
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well they could shut you out of your bank account
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until you remove that video, or take back your position
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on that or earn your way back into having certain privileges.
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Because at that point everything becomes a privilege. And this
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is when this whole transhumanist notion of things get goes
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sour and gouth very fast when you look at this
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notion of things. Our rights are derived from God. It's
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acknowledged in the Declaration of Independence. We hold these truths
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to be self evident, that all men are created equal,
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that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights,
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that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Well,
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if you do not acknowledge that you have a creator
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much like these people, and then religion that is scientism
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to first of all, then you have no human rights
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in the eyes of the power structure. So I'll bet
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are off if you don't believe there's a god. There's
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a creator that gave you, that made you, and put
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in play certain natural laws in this place. If you
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don't believe that, well, then you have no rights in
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the eyes of the power structure to begin with. So
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they will do whatever they want to eat or for
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you or against you, whatever they see fit. And in
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that way, when you look at it in that perspective,
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what this does is it takes the idea of rights
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away from being something that you are created with, you're
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endowed with by your creator, and it hands them over
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to government to determine what are your quote unquote rights.
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And all rights that are handled by government are privileges.
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So they can deny you whatever privilege they want without
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any more moral recompense on their part for this. This
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is from their point of view, of course, as I'm
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trying to explain, so they see justification in their actions
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that way. So that's my viewpoint is what they want
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to do is they would like to instantiate this this
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like where you don't acknowledge that you have God given runs,
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and in so doing everything becomes a privilege. And therefore,
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if you have a programmable digital currency that if your
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social credit score drops below a certain number, they could
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shut you completely out of your bank account. You can't
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leave your house, you can't buy an airplane ticket, you
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can't travel out of your fifteen minute city. All these
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notions come into play, and this is exactly the beast system,
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the control grid. They want to set up in this
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place if we allow them so. The simple act of
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rejecting something like central bank digital currencies is a key
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component to doing this. Let's make it hard for them
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to get what they want, guys.
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One hundred percent, Just reject it if it doesn't make sense,
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if it doesn't resonate you, which most of this nonsense
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that's coming down the pipe, one hundred percent does, Just
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don't participate in. It's the easiest answer that we have
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so far. Wayne. Thank you so much. This was great. Wait,
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can't wait to do it again. Before you head out,
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let the audience know where they can find your books
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and our content.
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All right, Thank you again, Chris. Always a pleasure to
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be on here with you. The Alchemical Tech Revolution podcast
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is available on Spotify or Apple Podcasts or pretty much
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any other podcast player out there. I do that once
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a week. Usually I have a new free episode that drops.
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I do have a subscriber only episode that comes out
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each week as well, and bonus episodes of another show
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that I do called the Alchemical Lantern, which is a
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live weekly show that's broadcast on Freeworld dot fm Friday
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nights at ten pm Eastern Standard time. Do a replay
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of that also on the podcast there through Spotify. But
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also I have books available if you just google my name,
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they'll turn up there, available on Amazon or pretty much
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anywhere else can buy books. Also, I do have the
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Rockfinn channel, which is kind of my home base for
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live streaming and stuff like that. I also have a
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YouTube channel, but I don't really do an awful lot
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with that anymore except for post the free podcast episode
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when it's something that they're not going to take down
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on me. So I just use that as a tool
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to try to reach people to get them over to
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the other platforms at this point. Also, I'm a prolific writer,
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so I also have the Alchemicalbeacon dot substack dot com.
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I love Substack. It's a great platform, Chris, if you
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haven't been on there yet and you should get over there.
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Yeah, that's to check that out. Definitely, all right, Wayne,
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thank you so much, great stuff. We'll definitely do this
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again and until next time, everyone have an excellent evening
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and we will talk again tomorrow. We'll see all then