ÜBER DIESE EPISODE
Our guest this week takes a break from partisanship to join us for a low-key conversation on the front porch: State Representative Pat Outman! We talk parenting young kids, outdoor hobbies, childhood aspirations, travel spots, and the challenges of representing all the voices from a rural district. Then we play the first half of a father-son version of the Newlywed Game, to see how well he and his dad know each other (to be concluded when his father, Senator Rick Outman joins us here in a few weeks). Also joining us this week is Montcalm Area Reading Council Director, Amanda Lee, and she and Stef talk about a whole array of ridiculous things (as usual). We run the gamut of topics, from Princess Kate (who announced her cancer diagnosis a couple days after we recorded) to celebrity memoirs, vacation prep, upcoming concerts, vegan diets and swishy pants. Lots of fun as always, and TONS of book recommendations... so settle in and join us!
IN DIESER FOLGE
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Stef: I am Steph Reed.
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I am the Director of the
Flat River Community Library
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Amanda: and courageous citizen.
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Pat: I'm State Representative Pat Outman.
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I represent, the 91st District
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Cory: Welcome to the
Flat River Front Porch.
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Stef: Hi!
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I'm back with, one of our fan favorites
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Amanda: Oh
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Stef: No, seriously, like one of the,
I mean, in all fairness, I also paired
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you with Brian Blomstrom and he may have
been more of a draw, but we're not gonna,
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we're not gonna look at it that way.
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We're gonna look at it as,
everybody in this community is
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obsessed with you personally.
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I always forget to introduce myself.
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I hope at this point you know who
I am because I do this every time.
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So, Uh, let's keep up, people.
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But, um, I'm here today with There we go.
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Amanda: and courageous citizen.
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Stef: Yes.
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Do gooder and crusader, absolutely, yeah.
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we can say up front that I apparently
kidnapped you from your office in
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Amanda: was minding my own business
in my office and all of a sudden there
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was a knock at the door and the sound
of wind pants and I knew it was over.
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Wind,
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Stef: Yeah, I am, I'm wearing pants
today that make that swish swish sound.
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Yes.
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Um, and that zip off at the knee for
shorts related emergencies, apparently.
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I've never fully understood what,
um, what the value is in, in having
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pants that zip away like that.
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Amanda: it's cool.
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That's cool.
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Stef: Yeah.
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But like, what do you do with the bottom
half when, like, where does it go?
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Amanda: It'd be cool if you could make
it into like, a canteen or something.
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And you're like, put
some, like, get the ends.
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Drink water off of it.
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Stef: my brain is going to that episode
of, of the office where Michael was
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being survivor man and he like cuts his,
his suit apart in order to like fashion
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a neckerchief and stuff like that.
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Yeah.
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And then it gets cold and he
has to put it back together.
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Yeah.
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Amanda: Office.
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Yeah,
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Stef: I mean, I don't.
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I enjoyed The Office, but
like it, it needed to end
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Amanda: needed to end.
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They
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Stef: They do.
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But I did not kidnap you.
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I want to make this clear.
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Um, I asked you to do it sometime
in the next couple of days, and
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you were full of excuses as to
why you had to do it immediately.
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Amanda: you had to do it
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Stef: Eh, I mean, they're partially
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Amanda: mean
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Stef: They're, they're valid if you are
someone who, who gets anxiety over things
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like letting your cleaner know that
your house was not clean to begin with.
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Amanda: Well, it's not, it's someone
coming to my house to deal with my dogs.
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Stef: Mm hmm.
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Amanda: Will this air after spring break?
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Stef: gonna aim for next week.
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Okay.
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So,
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Amanda: Okay, so we gotta
be careful about that.
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I don't want people to know
my house is unattended.
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Okay,
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Stef: Yeah, your house, there
will be somebody there with
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a shotgun the whole time.
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Don't.
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Amanda: But
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Stef: tell you what her address
is, but we will make sure that
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you know that it's very well, well
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Amanda: But I really want
to get the dog areas clean.
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And like, make sure that no one
thinks I'm a bad housekeeper.
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Because that would just
mean the world's ending.
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I think that a lot of times, I
worry about unmanageable situations
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that's never going to happen.
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Like, no way my Amanda's house is a wreck.
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So why do I care?
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Stef: Well, why are your
neighbors in your house?
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Amanda: they're letting the dogs out.
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Stef: Oh, okay.
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What do you think might happen?
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I've seen your house.
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It is pristine.
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Amanda: I don't know.
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Stef: Like, you clearly don't
have any recollection of what
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it's like to live with tornadoes.
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Like, to live with creatures that just
are shedding Ritz Cracker stuff, and like,
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Amanda: those days.
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I remember my floor would get
sticky from holding, like, near his
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Stef: That was so
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Amanda: It would get, like, sticky
near his, like, little, like,
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Stef: They're just sticky creatures.
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They're always covered in crumbs.
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Their face
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Amanda: Yeah, the ring, aw.
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Stef: knows what around it.
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Yeah
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Amanda: You're, like, right in
the middle of, like, stick zone.
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Stef: Stick
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Amanda: Like, everything's sticky.
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Stef: Oh, I thought you meant
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which is also true at that age.
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They're like sticks are
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Amanda: Like the band?
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I'm kidding.
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Stef: Well, yeah, absolutely my
kids are they really go into 70s 70s
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Amanda: I like sticks.
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I don't care what anyone
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Stef: kind of
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Amanda: do, I like them!
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I feel like they're kind of a
joke, but they shouldn't be.
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And they're still touring, I thought.
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Stef: yeah.
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Okay.
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Amanda: I thought so, yeah.
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Stef: profound amount of expertise on, on
bands that are no longer in the zeitgeist
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that are somehow also still touring.
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Amanda: I want to see so many bands but
they don't come around here, it's really
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Like Fred Meiergarden gets some
good things but they haven't
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released their schedule yet.
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We saw Tony Bennett there.
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Stef: That does not elicit any reaction
from me you know who I'm seeing
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that no one will recognize in May?
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Um, a group called Bella and Sebastian
that was a really, yeah, I knew you
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wouldn't, um, you should though,
given your musical proclivities.
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they were like
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Amanda: a,
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Stef: They were a British
folky band from like the early
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Amanda: 2000s.
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Stef: 2000s.
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Amanda: and
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Stef: were very popular in the like
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nobody knows who they
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Amanda: They sound really good.
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Stef: Elder Millennials are the
only people who know who they are.
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But they're, they're
going to be in Ann Arbor.
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So I'm going by myself
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Amanda: I want to see Depeche Mode.
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But it's like, the tickets
are insanely expensive.
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Stef: That doesn't surprise me.
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Amanda: And the closest Pulp
is going to come is to Chicago.
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and then Weezer and the Flaming
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Yes, they are gonna be together and
it's I think Toronto and then I'm not
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going yeah, these are all concerts.
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I'm not going to go guys I Know but that
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to see the flaming lips are gonna be
at that Monroe place Yeah, yeah, I like
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the flaming lips a
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Stef: It's in June or July.
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I know!
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I don't want to
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Amanda: want to stay overnight
I'm so weird about concerts, but
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the thing is, is that I always
regret it, my son loves Weezer,
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Stef: Weezer.
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Which is hilarious
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Amanda: I know.
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He loves Weezer.
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He loves the book Dune.
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Stef: Yeah, I mean, that's, that's like
Star Wars, it's part of that culture that
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Um, 90s music, not so much, I feel
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Amanda: feel like.
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Stef: you know what?
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On those days when you are feeling
like you just can't connect, With your
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teenager and like you just like you feel
like you just don't know him anymore.
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Amanda: Weezer.
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I could think about, I saw
Weezer in concert and he's
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like, you saw Weezer in concert?
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Like, yeah, I
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Stef: did.
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That's the most, that's
the most impressed he ever
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Amanda: I know, right?
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That
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Stef: the most like level
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Was it for
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Amanda: And you wanna talk about books?
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Stef: books?
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Do we have to?
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Amanda: no.
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Stef: Do you feel this profound
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Amanda: No, no, no, no, no.
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Stef: Let's hold off on talking
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What's happening with Kate?
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I know that you know.
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I know that the royal family,
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So what's happening with Kate?
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Kate Middleton we're
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Amanda: Yes, Kate Middleton.
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Or, as I call her, the Duchess of
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Stef: You specifically call her
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Amanda: But let's When I call her
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Stef: Catherine.
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But you guys probably haven't talked in a
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Amanda: Um.
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She's not the Duchess
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She's Princess Kate.
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Well, she's kind of like playing
like hard to get with me.
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Um, that'll return to my
phone calls Hard to get?
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Stef: Like, we
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Amanda: we used to talk about
time on the phone, you know?
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And then now she's just kind of
not responding, which is okay.
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She's busy with her three But
do I think she's missing or
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kidnapped or These other things?
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No.
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Stef: She has the stomach issue,
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Amanda: she has every advantage in the
world when it comes to medical issues
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that the majority of the world doesn't.
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So if anyone's gonna make it through
there What do the kids think of this?
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Like, what do their schoolmates say?
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Stef: I'm always baffled by what the
experience might be for an actual
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small child, like, being that.
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And so much more so now than it would have
been even when, Will and Harry were kids.
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Because, like.
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The internet is everywhere.
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Amanda: because, like, the internet
is everywhere, like, these kids have,
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they're just gonna be such a wreck.
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Stef: would just,
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Amanda: It's necessary, but it would
send me into a tizzy, that your
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kids are targets by kidnappers.
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Nobody's trying to kidnap my child.
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Stef: That's good.
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Amanda: I know!
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Stef: Yeah.
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Something to be thankful
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Amanda: Knock on wood!
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Oh!
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This
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Stef: okay.
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Okay.
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Amanda: on
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Stef: okay for you to say
it, but it's not okay for me
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Amanda: This is on air, this will
haunt them, they'll play this at my
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Stef: No, they won't.
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No one will remember
this happened by then.
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I mean, I love my kids, but
they're annoying sometimes.
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Amanda: like Holden is a good
kid and I love him very much.
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He's
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Stef: the
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Amanda: person to me.
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Stef: person to Ryan would
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Amanda: say that.
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Well, Ryan, what he did
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Stef: did wrong, Well, I
was making the crockpot,
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Amanda: your son on the air, but
your husband is in the story.
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I have to reserve my
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Stef: I have to reserve my
opinions about the eating situation
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in your house, because I have
thoughts that I've shared, but
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Amanda: I know, I know, I know.
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in our house we all share very different
diets, and it can cause situations.
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I'm a whole food
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plant based,
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Stef: It's just you cook for them.
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Amanda: my diet is a lot.
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It's a lot for a person.
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it's just, I mean, to me, it
probably tastes good, but I
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don't know any better now.
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Stef: You don't know.
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Oh my gosh.
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You make it
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Amanda: make it sound
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Stef: off pudding or
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Amanda: off pudding!
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No!
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I haven't had a processed
anything since January 3rd.
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Stef: Well done,
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Amanda: I know.
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So, my taste buds have changed.
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Stef: I desperately need
to get back to that.
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On that note, we've talked
about nothing in particular.
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This is nonsense.
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we'll let this nonsense lead into our
guests this week, who I'm sure will
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be horrified to be connected with
anything that we just talked about.
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Um, who is, who is very
gracious to join us.
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Um, join me.
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just me, not Amanda this time, um,
to join me to talk about, you know,
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life growing up in this area and,
and being representative, um, of our
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constituents, his constituents, I suppose.
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We, I don't have any constituents.
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We just have our community.
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our guest this week is
Representative Pat Outman.
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Amanda Lee is the director of the
Montcalm area reading council.
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Um, which has its office in our building
and um, she's also a friend of mine.
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So we've recorded together a
couple times and we just end up
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talking about really silly things.
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every single time I do this with
her, she'll have one thing at the
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end where she'd be like, Oh, don't
let anybody know I said that.
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I'm not to sleep until you promise me
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Pat: you're going to do it.
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Stef: out.
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Pat: a good, you're a good I love it.
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Stef: so yeah, let's
go ahead and get going.
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I'm really happy that
you were able to come in.
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I will say also, I will sneak
this in because, I can't imagine
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why you would know this yet.
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I actually set up a time to,
Have a conversation with your dad
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also here in a couple of weeks.
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So it
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Pat: I actually did know that.
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Stef: oh did.
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Pat: mentioned that to me last night.
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Uh, I live next door to my parents,
so I see, I see my dad a fair bit.
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And, uh, yeah, so he mentioned that.
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He's excited.
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I
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Stef: Oh, great.
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Okay.
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Pat: you guys have that planned,
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Stef: Yep, it's like two or three
weeks out, so that'll be fun.
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I should just get the whole family, Why
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Pat: not?
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Might as well invite my wife to come in
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Stef: in.
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Oh yeah, you know what?
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I love, I love interviewing
married couples.
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It's so much fun.
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especially when I ask them the same
question and see what, yeah, it's
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a little like the newlywed game.
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Pat: newlyweds.
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Exactly.
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Stef: exactly.
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for anyone who doesn't
recognize your voice.
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could you tell us who you are,
where you are on an average day,
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and, what you've got going on these
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Pat: days.
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Sure, sure.
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Well, I'm State Representative Pat Outman.
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I represent, uh, the 91st District, which
includes, uh, parts of three counties.
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Majority of it consists of Montcombe, but
I also represent portions of, of northern
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Ionia and, uh, northern Kent County.
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like I said, I, am a state
representative, so I spend a lot of
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time in Lansing at our state capitol.
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I spend a fair bit in district
as well, uh, meeting with folks,
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going to various, organizational
meetings, uh, things like that.
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a little bit about me.
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I, my wife and I, we just
welcomed our second baby into this
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world, uh, about four weeks ago.
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So
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Stef: Wow.
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Pat: with a newborn at home and,
uh, you know, it's exhausting,
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but, uh, we're really enjoying it.
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Yeah,
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Stef: Yeah, you are
right in the thick of it
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Pat: Absolutely.
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And we have a toddler at
home, too, so that just
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Stef: Wow.
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my heart goes to you.
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It really does.
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Uh, my, I've got two kids too, but
mine are about four years apart.
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I could make my four year old
understand at the time, like, you
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need to give me some space, kid.
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He was old enough to get it,
but, how old is your oldest?
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Pat: he's about a year and a
half, he doesn't understand the
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concept of personal space yet.
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We're
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Stef: Oh, yeah, okay.
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Pretty mobile too, I would imagine.
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Pat: mobile.
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Constantly chasing him down.
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Our whole house is a big hazard.
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We live in
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Stef: in an old house.
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So,
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Pat: there's that component as well.
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Stef: I live in an older house too.
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And actually I'm getting ready to
move here just across the street into
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Pat: Oh my gosh, congra congratulations.
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Stef: Thank you.
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Um, and I love old houses, but I,
I've thought multiple times, when
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these people built these houses, did
they understand that they were going
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to have to have children in them?
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assuming they did
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Pat: and I'm assuming they did
because back then they had like 12
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Stef: house.
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Uh,
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Pat: but yeah, this
house has zero storage.
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The layout is very questionable and
the electrical outlet is very fun.
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There's very few of those as well.
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And so we're doing the best we can
but it's certainly a challenge.
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Stef: as far as I remember, you're
still kind of, you're exhausted.
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You're still kind of just like
getting into the groove of it.
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But, um, but they're still
kind of sleeping at that point.
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Pat: That's right.
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we're both absolutely exhausted.
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We walk around like zombies
all the time, but it's
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Stef: You look very bright and alert
today, I will give you credit for
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Pat: appreciate that
looks can be deceiving.
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that, but uh, but yeah, I mean,
sleeps and eats all the time.
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So it's very consistent.
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Uh, you can schedule around it.
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The toddler is just a complete chaos.
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There's organized chaos, but
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Stef: how does the toddler
feel about Are they both boys?
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Pat: They're both boys.
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my son Miles, he, it's been a
little bit of an adjustment for him.
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I will say that, uh, I don't even
think he acknowledged our, our,
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uh, baby for the first week or so.
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And he's warming up to him now.
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He'll give him a pet here and there and,
uh, likes to steal his bankie, of course.
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But, uh, I think we're making
progress on that front.
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Stef: is your wife home with them or?
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Pat: She is.
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she'll be on maternity leave for
at least another six weeks so.
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And like I said before, we live
right next door to my parents and
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Stef: Right.
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Oh, that's
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Pat: that has been an absolute blessing.
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My, my mom is able to
help out a lot as well.
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it's been nice.
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Stef: they like being grandparents?
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Pat: They love it.
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Uh, when you invite my dad on here,
that might be all he will talk about.
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So you'll have to steer the
conversation at some point,
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but they absolutely love it.
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Uh, my, my older sister has kids
as well, but lives out of state.
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So these are like the
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Stef: like the first.
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Yeah, they're local.
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Yeah,
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Pat: Really enjoying
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Stef: feeling.
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Pat: And it's a blessing to us too.
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Stef: having a support system
when their kids are that young.
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Just, it can, you can take it
for granted, it makes all the
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Pat: all the difference.
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Oh my gosh, well I tell people all the
time, like, that is the only parenting
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hack that I found actually works.
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It's just, move next door to your parents.
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Stef: to your parents.
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Yeah.
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And hopefully they are, still interested
in being around children and they're
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not just like, I did this already.
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I'm done.
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Pat: yeah.
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Stef: I'm assuming that you've
obviously been in this area for at
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least most of your life, if not all.
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So what have been your favorite
memories about, growing up in this area?
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Yeah,
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Pat: Yeah, you're right.
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I've lived in this area my entire life.
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Uh, even when I went off to
college, I commuted back and forth.
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So I've truly, uh, have lived in
Montcalm County my entire life.
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Uh, very happy childhood.
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Uh, grew up with just
tons of family around.
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Aunts, uncles, cousins, uh, grandparents.
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I had a, uh, set of grandparents
that lived just north of
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Lakeview and had a farm there.
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So I spent a fair bit of time there.
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Uh, just, just a really happy
childhood and so many good memories
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to be quite honest with you.
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Um, you know, things like riding
bikes with my friends around.
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We rode our bikes just everywhere
growing up, Attending the, the annual
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4 H Fair in the summer, uh, brings
back really fond memories as well.
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And really all the fairs and
festivals around here as well.
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Seems like every small town has
a, has a parade and a festival
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and, very fond memories of, going
to those growing up as well.
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And then just, you know, playing sports
and, and just hanging out with my friends.
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I just, you know, I look back
at my childhood and, just very
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fond memories all the way around.
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Stef: I have the bias of having had this
experience as well, but there's something
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to be said about sort of growing up in
that small town experience to growing
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up in that semi rural experience,
getting to have fun in a small town.
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outdoor capacity.
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I would imagine it's got to
be a lot harder if if you live
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someplace much more urban that,
you get to send the kids outdoors.
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Pat: Yeah, and I live about
20 minutes north of here.
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So like the Six Lakes area.
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And for those that are not familiar,
Uh, it's a small rural community
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in northern Montcalm County.
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that was just my life growing up.
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Just out in the wide open country,
just hanging out with my friends.
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Stef: Is that the same
area you grew up in?
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Pat: in?
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It is.
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Yep.
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Still live on my family farm.
486
00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:18,920
Haven't, haven't made it too far in life.
487
00:17:19,030 --> 00:17:19,560
Stef: Okay.
488
00:17:19,710 --> 00:17:22,490
So did you build on their property then?
489
00:17:22,490 --> 00:17:24,320
Is that how you ended up living next door?
490
00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:24,960
Pat: Uh, no.
491
00:17:24,970 --> 00:17:27,270
I actually live in, in
the oldest house on that
492
00:17:27,469 --> 00:17:27,950
Stef: property.
493
00:17:27,950 --> 00:17:28,230
Oh, right.
494
00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:30,210
Because you said it was an old house.
495
00:17:30,220 --> 00:17:30,600
Silly me.
496
00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:31,310
I've already forgotten.
497
00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:31,555
Pat: forgotten.
498
00:17:31,555 --> 00:17:32,025
Yes, yes.
499
00:17:32,025 --> 00:17:33,880
So this is like, uh,
almost a centennial farm.
500
00:17:33,890 --> 00:17:39,130
we've, occupied this, this, uh, this
space for, uh, nearly a hundred years now.
501
00:17:39,130 --> 00:17:43,040
And, um, so my parents actually
are the ones that, that built
502
00:17:43,175 --> 00:17:43,765
Stef: Oh, okay.
503
00:17:43,815 --> 00:17:44,485
Yeah, that makes sense.
504
00:17:44,515 --> 00:17:44,825
Okay.
505
00:17:44,890 --> 00:17:47,400
Pat: so, uh, live right next door to them.
506
00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:49,470
Now I gotta ask you, are
you from around this area?
507
00:17:49,795 --> 00:17:53,905
Stef: Um, nobody ever asks me questions
and it takes me a little off guard.
508
00:17:54,125 --> 00:17:56,175
Um, I am from Lowell originally.
509
00:17:56,725 --> 00:17:59,535
So that's where I grew up
and, you know, went to school.
510
00:17:59,555 --> 00:18:03,325
my parents still live right on the border
between, um, the Lowell and Ada area.
511
00:18:03,325 --> 00:18:04,945
So just outside of Ada.
512
00:18:05,305 --> 00:18:07,905
Um, which means of course their,
their property value has just
513
00:18:07,905 --> 00:18:09,525
gone way through the roof in the
514
00:18:09,735 --> 00:18:10,395
Pat: I could imagine.
515
00:18:10,445 --> 00:18:10,635
Stef: yeah.
516
00:18:11,675 --> 00:18:16,325
I went to Central Michigan for my
undergrad and then I, uh, flitted off
517
00:18:16,325 --> 00:18:19,835
to Colorado for about a decade just
to do something different because I
518
00:18:19,995 --> 00:18:21,175
went to graduate school out there.
519
00:18:21,575 --> 00:18:27,515
Um, and I will say that I, I loved
so many things about Colorado.
520
00:18:27,735 --> 00:18:30,105
Um, there were lots of things
to appreciate and there is
521
00:18:30,125 --> 00:18:34,005
interestingly enough a decently
large contingent of people from
522
00:18:34,005 --> 00:18:36,095
Michigan who do move out there.
523
00:18:36,345 --> 00:18:39,050
And also, Who end up moving back.
524
00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,990
it's a funny thing, but, um,
there are lots of aspects of
525
00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:46,270
living in that area that made me
really appreciate here as well.
526
00:18:46,550 --> 00:18:50,090
there were things that, that coming
back that I like little things that
527
00:18:50,090 --> 00:18:51,440
you wouldn't necessarily think about.
528
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,050
like those festivals that you
mentioned, like that's, So many of
529
00:18:55,050 --> 00:18:59,090
the, the towns that have sprung up
in that Denver corridor, they've
530
00:18:59,110 --> 00:19:00,620
been there for about 15 minutes.
531
00:19:00,620 --> 00:19:01,900
They just don't have any history.
532
00:19:01,900 --> 00:19:05,290
Like the entire town is built around
Walmart, which is very convenient,
533
00:19:05,300 --> 00:19:10,043
but it doesn't, it definitely doesn't
have that same sort of hominess.
534
00:19:10,317 --> 00:19:10,565
Yeah,
535
00:19:10,830 --> 00:19:11,680
Pat: and I can totally see that.
536
00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,570
Especially a place like Denver
that just never stops growing.
537
00:19:14,617 --> 00:19:15,196
Stef: stops growing.
538
00:19:15,196 --> 00:19:17,006
Pat: I'm actually ashamed to
say I've never been to Colorado.
539
00:19:17,256 --> 00:19:17,926
Stef: Well, you know what?
540
00:19:17,926 --> 00:19:21,036
I had not been West of the
Mississippi until I moved out there.
541
00:19:21,036 --> 00:19:21,926
So no shame on you.
542
00:19:22,026 --> 00:19:22,476
Pat: Okay.
543
00:19:23,056 --> 00:19:23,916
I still got time.
544
00:19:23,916 --> 00:19:26,356
Stef: to change gears a little
bit, obviously you've got a little
545
00:19:26,356 --> 00:19:29,246
bit of, a little bit of history in
the family, but what inspired you
546
00:19:29,246 --> 00:19:31,366
to, to get into state legislature?
547
00:19:31,666 --> 00:19:32,306
Pat: Oh gosh.
548
00:19:32,346 --> 00:19:33,996
I mean, so many things really.
549
00:19:34,046 --> 00:19:38,086
Um, you know, obviously my dad was
probably my biggest inspiration.
550
00:19:38,096 --> 00:19:41,326
I, through his experience, I really did
just fall in love with the legislature
551
00:19:41,426 --> 00:19:46,866
and, Just the ability to shape policy and
to have the opportunity to, to represent
552
00:19:46,876 --> 00:19:48,636
the state with its 10 million residents.
553
00:19:48,666 --> 00:19:51,176
it was something that, really
called to me in a lot of ways.
554
00:19:51,176 --> 00:19:54,476
And, you know, I think I always
had a calling to service.
555
00:19:54,506 --> 00:19:58,236
Um, one of my biggest regrets
in life was, was not serving
556
00:19:58,236 --> 00:19:59,356
our country in the military.
557
00:19:59,356 --> 00:20:02,731
And so, Like I said, I feel like
I've always had some sort of sense
558
00:20:02,731 --> 00:20:06,531
of calling to serve this country
and nation in some capacity.
559
00:20:06,691 --> 00:20:11,341
so, when the opportunity arose to
run for this office, I jumped at it.
560
00:20:11,821 --> 00:20:14,151
I always knew I would run for
office, I just, I thought I would
561
00:20:14,151 --> 00:20:15,451
do it later in life, like my father.
562
00:20:15,451 --> 00:20:21,371
I thought maybe once I retired because
in Michigan we have such strict term
563
00:20:21,371 --> 00:20:22,831
limits, that's another aspect of things.
564
00:20:22,881 --> 00:20:27,576
It's really hard to, uh, Pause your life
for, for six years and, and run for public
565
00:20:27,576 --> 00:20:31,406
office, I just jumped at it, and I have
no regrets, uh, I love every minute of it.
566
00:20:31,866 --> 00:20:34,536
it's a really challenging time to
be in politics and to serve the
567
00:20:34,536 --> 00:20:37,946
people, just, uh, given the division
in this country, but, other than
568
00:20:37,946 --> 00:20:39,096
that, I mean, just no regrets.
569
00:20:39,096 --> 00:20:40,226
I absolutely love the job.
570
00:20:40,226 --> 00:20:44,426
I absolutely love, love representing
the, the 91st District and, and all
571
00:20:44,426 --> 00:20:45,886
the people of, of Montcalm County.
572
00:20:45,936 --> 00:20:46,976
it's been a tremendous honor.
573
00:20:47,421 --> 00:20:48,001
Stef: fantastic.
574
00:20:48,011 --> 00:20:51,421
I would imagine, a fair amount of
success definitely comes from Being
575
00:20:51,421 --> 00:20:55,031
a good listener and being comfortable
having conversations with people who
576
00:20:55,031 --> 00:20:57,581
might come at you feeling very strongly
577
00:20:57,676 --> 00:20:58,066
Pat: Yeah.
578
00:20:58,186 --> 00:20:58,906
Oh, no question.
579
00:20:58,906 --> 00:21:01,276
I mean, one thing I've learned from
this position, Steph, is people just
580
00:21:01,276 --> 00:21:02,586
want to be heard, for the most part.
581
00:21:02,596 --> 00:21:06,596
I've had so many, People call the
office, just fire it right up, and
582
00:21:06,596 --> 00:21:09,296
uh, chew in my staff out, and then I
get on the phone with them, and just
583
00:21:09,296 --> 00:21:13,346
listen to them, and by the end of it,
we have a very cordial, you know, great
584
00:21:13,346 --> 00:21:15,156
conversation, to honest with you, so.
585
00:21:15,746 --> 00:21:18,506
Stef: and that kind of goes back to what
we were talking about before we actually,
586
00:21:18,516 --> 00:21:20,446
you know, hit the ground with us.
587
00:21:20,496 --> 00:21:23,946
the way we experience so much of
the world around us these days,
588
00:21:23,966 --> 00:21:25,326
it's all hitting us at once.
589
00:21:25,326 --> 00:21:28,226
Like, with the internet, it's,
it's, you know, everything is right
590
00:21:28,226 --> 00:21:30,856
in front of our faces and we're
being inundated and overwhelmed.
591
00:21:30,906 --> 00:21:36,076
It's hard to process it, and it doesn't
feel natural, we are driven to engage
592
00:21:36,076 --> 00:21:39,456
with the people around us, to learn
about our community directly, from
593
00:21:39,456 --> 00:21:42,916
our community, from our neighbors,
and, it's stretching us in a way
594
00:21:42,916 --> 00:21:46,136
And so, having those conversations,
I can imagine it makes.
595
00:21:46,786 --> 00:21:48,666
A very meaningful difference
for a lot of people.
596
00:21:48,811 --> 00:21:49,426
Pat: think it does.
597
00:21:49,426 --> 00:21:52,426
I, I think, I truly think that people, a
lot of times, they just want to be heard.
598
00:21:52,426 --> 00:21:54,766
Whether you even agree with them at
the end of the day, you heard their
599
00:21:54,766 --> 00:21:57,946
concerns, you had a great conversation,
you took the time to listen to them,
600
00:21:57,946 --> 00:21:59,126
and I think that goes a long way.
601
00:21:59,597 --> 00:22:03,349
and you're dead on about, uh, social media
and, you know, Facebook in particular.
602
00:22:03,349 --> 00:22:07,419
It's a, it's really easy to silo
yourself off with social media.
603
00:22:07,459 --> 00:22:10,824
Um, you know, you don't have that
direct, uh, Uh, connection with
604
00:22:10,834 --> 00:22:13,664
folks that you're, speaking to,
like, like you do face to face.
605
00:22:13,814 --> 00:22:16,424
It's really easy to just hurl
an insult out via the keyboard.
606
00:22:16,804 --> 00:22:18,254
you don't see how people react to it.
607
00:22:18,254 --> 00:22:19,994
So it's really easy to
insult somebody that way.
608
00:22:20,044 --> 00:22:21,924
we're losing that direct
connection with people.
609
00:22:22,134 --> 00:22:22,504
Yeah,
610
00:22:22,724 --> 00:22:27,364
Stef: we don't have the context of a
whole human being anymore when we, um, we
611
00:22:27,364 --> 00:22:32,124
think of people as a sort of token issues
that you're either for or against, you're
612
00:22:32,504 --> 00:22:36,534
on one side or the other and there's so
little middle ground, it's hard to see
613
00:22:36,534 --> 00:22:40,514
some of those things there are so many
factors that made you feel this in this
614
00:22:40,514 --> 00:22:43,264
moment about you as a person and yeah.
615
00:22:43,459 --> 00:22:44,469
Pat: Yeah, no question about it.
616
00:22:44,469 --> 00:22:47,019
I still think, though, that we, at the
end of the day, we have way more in
617
00:22:47,019 --> 00:22:51,289
common than And I, I hope people will,
can just sit back and remember that.
618
00:22:51,289 --> 00:22:53,889
I know it's hard to sometimes,
but I really do believe that.
619
00:22:53,947 --> 00:22:56,429
Yeah, definitely.
620
00:22:56,429 --> 00:23:00,109
Stef: obviously there are unique aspects
of state government, but, Would you say
621
00:23:00,109 --> 00:23:03,809
that there's anything in particular that,
feels like state legislature was just
622
00:23:03,809 --> 00:23:06,259
a good place for you to, to dive in?
623
00:23:06,704 --> 00:23:07,774
Pat: Yeah, absolutely.
624
00:23:07,774 --> 00:23:11,394
And I'm one that just
loves working on policy.
625
00:23:11,584 --> 00:23:16,214
Um, and so from that perspective, this job
is, is, you know, a perfect fit for me.
626
00:23:16,214 --> 00:23:19,664
I love looking at a piece of
legislation and, and scrutinizing
627
00:23:19,664 --> 00:23:24,594
it, trying to make it better, uh,
trying to make it palatable, uh,
628
00:23:24,604 --> 00:23:28,154
something that, you know, will benefit
my district and things like that.
629
00:23:28,554 --> 00:23:31,044
there, there are so many unique
aspects of state government.
630
00:23:31,454 --> 00:23:34,112
The state government is pretty
much structured identically to our
631
00:23:34,367 --> 00:23:35,034
Stef: federal government.
632
00:23:35,284 --> 00:23:39,064
Pat: in terms of, the legislative
branch, the executive branch, judicial
633
00:23:39,184 --> 00:23:43,774
branch, we have a, a bicameral Congress,
meaning we have a House and a Senate,
634
00:23:44,324 --> 00:23:47,444
uh, so it, it really is structured,
you know, identical, but there are some
635
00:23:47,444 --> 00:23:52,364
aspects that, that make it, uh, pretty
unique, and one is just, and I think
636
00:23:52,364 --> 00:23:56,854
we talked about this earlier, but just
the close proximity to constituents.
637
00:23:56,874 --> 00:23:58,944
You know, these really are my,
my friends and neighbor that I'm
638
00:23:58,944 --> 00:24:00,194
representing down in Lansing.
639
00:24:00,464 --> 00:24:03,964
In, in state legislatures, um,
they're a much smaller district.
640
00:24:04,474 --> 00:24:08,574
Uh, it just allows for more direct
interaction with constituents and
641
00:24:08,574 --> 00:24:09,844
your representatives that way.
642
00:24:10,344 --> 00:24:15,374
Stef: do you feel like your experience of
it as a representative for a more rural
643
00:24:15,374 --> 00:24:19,544
district is different than, say, for
like, you know, Oakland County or the,
644
00:24:19,569 --> 00:24:21,049
Pat: Oh, no, no question about it.
645
00:24:21,139 --> 00:24:25,949
that's where you see a lot of,
uh, debate and, and, and whatnot
646
00:24:25,959 --> 00:24:28,339
in, in the state legislature.
647
00:24:28,339 --> 00:24:31,589
It's because we are representatives
from all different parts of the
648
00:24:31,754 --> 00:24:32,184
Stef: Right,
649
00:24:32,439 --> 00:24:35,559
Pat: Different values, different
perspectives, uh, different
650
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:37,249
demographics, things like that.
651
00:24:37,259 --> 00:24:42,944
So You know, a lot of times, um, I'll have
a conversation with my, uh, colleagues
652
00:24:42,944 --> 00:24:45,304
that, you know, represent a, a urban area.
653
00:24:45,954 --> 00:24:49,724
And, uh, and had to explain to them, this
is why we don't like this legislation.
654
00:24:49,854 --> 00:24:53,674
Uh, just because it, it affects rural
Michigan more, in a different way than
655
00:24:53,674 --> 00:24:57,886
it does, in an urban setting Like in
Oakland County, like a, like a Wayne
656
00:24:57,886 --> 00:24:59,696
County, like a City of Detroit, etc.
657
00:25:00,196 --> 00:25:01,406
Uh, but that makes it fun, too.
658
00:25:01,406 --> 00:25:05,666
it truly is a melting pot, the
legislature, of, of different people,
659
00:25:05,686 --> 00:25:07,366
different perspectives, things like that.
660
00:25:07,366 --> 00:25:10,406
So it, you know, it makes it challenging,
but it also makes it really fun as well.
661
00:25:10,456 --> 00:25:13,918
Stef: I would imagine a unique challenge
to bringing that rural perspective as
662
00:25:13,918 --> 00:25:21,198
well is the fact that, simply by trying to
apply resources to, um, the largest number
663
00:25:21,198 --> 00:25:26,678
of people, I'm sure it's easy for a lot of
focus to end up on those more urban areas.
664
00:25:26,978 --> 00:25:32,478
And there has to be a certain amount
of advocacy just for, like, we may
665
00:25:32,478 --> 00:25:37,198
have fewer people in our In our
constituency, but our voices still matter.
666
00:25:37,288 --> 00:25:37,888
Pat: no question.
667
00:25:37,888 --> 00:25:39,988
That's always a balancing act
and that's always a challenge.
668
00:25:39,988 --> 00:25:43,588
You know, the urban areas, they
obviously have more population and so
669
00:25:43,888 --> 00:25:46,918
you see a lot more resources go there
and, and a lot of other things too.
670
00:25:46,918 --> 00:25:49,328
It can be frustrating at times,
but that certainly is, an
671
00:25:49,328 --> 00:25:50,288
accurate assumption, I would say.
672
00:25:50,368 --> 00:25:53,038
Stef: I know that one thing that
there's been so much conversation
673
00:25:53,038 --> 00:25:57,718
about, how to, improve the situation
is specifically making, internet access
674
00:25:57,748 --> 00:25:59,688
available to a broader range of people.
675
00:25:59,688 --> 00:26:05,918
And I think it's really easy to forget
in 2024 how many families, how many homes
676
00:26:06,138 --> 00:26:08,588
don't even have access to that currently.
677
00:26:08,588 --> 00:26:08,801
No
678
00:26:08,898 --> 00:26:12,348
Pat: I mean, really COVID highlighted
that for me, uh, when everybody
679
00:26:12,378 --> 00:26:15,788
suddenly had to work from home, kids
are scrambling to learn from home.
680
00:26:15,788 --> 00:26:18,568
It's like, oh, my gosh, broadband
access, high speed internet
681
00:26:18,568 --> 00:26:20,168
access, reliable internet access.
682
00:26:20,528 --> 00:26:21,908
it's not uniform across the board.
683
00:26:21,908 --> 00:26:22,006
And
684
00:26:22,033 --> 00:26:22,413
Stef: Right.
685
00:26:22,413 --> 00:26:23,143
Absolutely.
686
00:26:23,193 --> 00:26:25,243
as a legislator, we've
been trying to incentivize
687
00:26:25,338 --> 00:26:26,678
Pat: these telecommunications companies.
688
00:26:26,728 --> 00:26:28,538
let's expand into these underserved areas.
689
00:26:28,538 --> 00:26:29,988
I know it's not economical for you.
690
00:26:30,308 --> 00:26:34,058
How can we make it economical
in this day and age, it's a lot
691
00:26:34,058 --> 00:26:35,758
better to have reliable internet.
692
00:26:35,833 --> 00:26:36,553
Stef: It's essential.
693
00:26:36,553 --> 00:26:40,353
Yeah, it's, it's become an essential
service and I know we see every day
694
00:26:40,373 --> 00:26:43,563
the cross section of people who don't
have access for whatever reason,
695
00:26:43,563 --> 00:26:46,363
either because they can't afford a
device, they can't afford, they can't
696
00:26:46,363 --> 00:26:50,033
afford the service, whatever, or they
just simply don't have access to it.
697
00:26:50,223 --> 00:26:54,398
so we see a lot of people who come to
us because There's no way around it.
698
00:26:54,438 --> 00:26:57,458
they're applying for jobs,
they're managing, you know,
699
00:26:57,488 --> 00:26:58,448
social security benefits.
700
00:26:58,448 --> 00:27:00,868
there's any number of things that
they might, they have to work with
701
00:27:00,868 --> 00:27:03,468
a doctor's office and they have,
documents they have to send and whatnot.
702
00:27:04,298 --> 00:27:05,458
You can't avoid technology.
703
00:27:05,458 --> 00:27:05,758
It's not
704
00:27:06,233 --> 00:27:09,973
Pat: you and I know it's a challenge
for some of our, our older citizens.
705
00:27:10,023 --> 00:27:13,013
There's been so many times where
they're struggling with, uh, with
706
00:27:13,013 --> 00:27:15,803
a government department because of
that, that learning curve in terms
707
00:27:15,803 --> 00:27:19,063
of technology and we constantly have
to walk them through the process and,
708
00:27:19,063 --> 00:27:20,443
and try to assist them in that regard.
709
00:27:20,443 --> 00:27:23,703
So, it's a blessing and a curse
all at once, I, I would say.
710
00:27:25,003 --> 00:27:31,338
Stef: you're not Yeah, so
711
00:27:31,548 --> 00:27:33,958
Pat: I spend a lot of my downtime
in the fall and winter when there's
712
00:27:33,958 --> 00:27:35,798
just not as much going on locally.
713
00:27:35,908 --> 00:27:39,448
Uh, a lot of my hobbies are,
are, revolve around the outdoors.
714
00:27:39,468 --> 00:27:41,078
I, I love hunting and fishing.
715
00:27:42,038 --> 00:27:46,558
I think every, every October and November,
my wife wants to divorce me because
716
00:27:47,218 --> 00:27:50,688
every opportunity again, I'm just in out
in the woods, sitting in my tree stand.
717
00:27:51,033 --> 00:27:51,873
Stef: What do they call them?
718
00:27:51,873 --> 00:27:53,393
The, the hunting widows or
719
00:27:53,608 --> 00:27:54,228
Pat: Yes.
720
00:27:54,648 --> 00:27:55,618
that's probably accurate.
721
00:27:55,658 --> 00:27:57,038
My wife could probably attest to that,
722
00:27:57,058 --> 00:27:58,478
I spend a lot of time reading as well.
723
00:27:58,798 --> 00:28:02,688
Uh, actually currently reading a
really good fictional series right now.
724
00:28:02,758 --> 00:28:03,878
hunting, reading.
725
00:28:03,928 --> 00:28:08,488
I have a lot of power sports, you know,
snowmobiles, uh, ATVs, things like that.
726
00:28:08,738 --> 00:28:09,268
Really anything.
727
00:28:09,448 --> 00:28:11,178
I just kind of gravitate
towards the outdoors.
728
00:28:11,238 --> 00:28:12,026
Stef: some regards.
729
00:28:12,026 --> 00:28:12,965
Oh, no.
730
00:28:12,965 --> 00:28:17,188
I mean, this is really
the perfect state for
731
00:28:17,411 --> 00:28:17,561
Pat: never.
732
00:28:17,711 --> 00:28:19,451
I mean, this is really
the perfect state for me.
733
00:28:19,501 --> 00:28:21,311
I mean, there's truly
always something to do.
734
00:28:21,371 --> 00:28:24,511
so many great state parks
and just, uh, you know.
735
00:28:24,941 --> 00:28:26,441
So much access to the lakeshore.
736
00:28:26,911 --> 00:28:31,471
Uh, it's such a diverse and beautiful
state and um, I think that's why I
737
00:28:31,471 --> 00:28:32,751
could never leave it, to be quite
738
00:28:32,836 --> 00:28:33,106
Stef: it.
739
00:28:33,106 --> 00:28:35,266
Yeah, yeah, you get,
you get spoiled a little
740
00:28:35,306 --> 00:28:36,176
Pat: Yeah, a little bit.
741
00:28:36,226 --> 00:28:36,746
what about you?
742
00:28:36,746 --> 00:28:38,106
What do you like to, like to do when
743
00:28:38,236 --> 00:28:39,146
Stef: keep turning this on.
744
00:28:40,316 --> 00:28:41,736
I guess you don't normally get to do that,
745
00:28:41,736 --> 00:28:45,046
Pat: if I try to ask a reporter
a question back, they, uh, you
746
00:28:45,046 --> 00:28:46,016
know, they don't typically.
747
00:28:46,046 --> 00:28:46,896
Yeah, exactly.
748
00:28:46,896 --> 00:28:48,156
This about you representative.
749
00:28:48,456 --> 00:28:49,346
do you have any hobbies?
750
00:28:49,936 --> 00:28:50,866
I assume you read a lot.
751
00:28:51,346 --> 00:28:55,016
Stef: I do, although not nearly as much
as I used to, um, because, you know,
752
00:28:55,016 --> 00:28:58,176
there's just never enough time in the
day, and I've got two young kids, too.
753
00:28:58,506 --> 00:28:59,676
I crochet a lot.
754
00:28:59,706 --> 00:29:01,766
I, I really enjoy making things.
755
00:29:01,816 --> 00:29:06,166
I like to figure things out,
usually it's like at any given time
756
00:29:06,166 --> 00:29:10,256
there's some new thing that I'm,
I'm trying to figure out how to do.
757
00:29:10,276 --> 00:29:15,466
when the ISD was here a few weeks ago,
they were talking about the career center
758
00:29:15,476 --> 00:29:19,666
and all of the different, um, academic
paths that the kids could go on to do
759
00:29:19,686 --> 00:29:21,566
these different trades or what have you.
760
00:29:21,846 --> 00:29:25,636
And I, and while they were talking about
it, I was thinking to myself, man, I
761
00:29:25,636 --> 00:29:28,146
want to do every single one of those.
762
00:29:28,266 --> 00:29:31,066
I want to learn, Diesel engines.
763
00:29:31,066 --> 00:29:32,686
I want to learn construction stuff.
764
00:29:32,686 --> 00:29:34,656
I want to learn the animal husbandry.
765
00:29:34,656 --> 00:29:35,676
I want to do all of it.
766
00:29:35,676 --> 00:29:35,948
Oh,
767
00:29:35,961 --> 00:29:36,471
Pat: I know.
768
00:29:36,471 --> 00:29:39,441
I literally had to stop myself
from signing up for random
769
00:29:39,441 --> 00:29:40,311
classes at the community
770
00:29:40,566 --> 00:29:40,838
Stef: college.
771
00:29:40,838 --> 00:29:41,109
Right.
772
00:29:41,109 --> 00:29:41,653
Just because
773
00:29:41,911 --> 00:29:43,631
Pat: because there's so
many cool things to do.
774
00:29:43,691 --> 00:29:44,811
And, yeah, the Career Center.
775
00:29:44,861 --> 00:29:46,591
I participated in that
as a student growing
776
00:29:46,842 --> 00:29:47,657
Stef: were you on?
777
00:29:47,771 --> 00:29:49,021
Pat: So I did the automotive
778
00:29:49,351 --> 00:29:50,121
Stef: Oh, cool.
779
00:29:50,121 --> 00:29:50,691
Okay.
780
00:29:50,691 --> 00:29:51,617
And, honestly, I did
781
00:29:51,741 --> 00:29:53,891
Pat: I did it just to get out of
school for a few hours, but I ended
782
00:29:53,891 --> 00:29:55,741
up finding out I really enjoyed it.
783
00:29:55,741 --> 00:29:55,741
It
784
00:29:55,786 --> 00:29:56,836
Stef: Right, yeah.
785
00:29:56,841 --> 00:30:00,381
Pat: had some great instructors there,
and so we were absolutely blessed to
786
00:30:00,381 --> 00:30:01,911
have a great career center around here.
787
00:30:01,941 --> 00:30:02,141
Yeah,
788
00:30:02,316 --> 00:30:06,516
Stef: it's, it's fantastic and it's
nice and close by too, which is great.
789
00:30:06,816 --> 00:30:10,246
Um, when I was growing up in Lowell,
we could take advantage of Kent Career
790
00:30:10,636 --> 00:30:14,546
Center, um, but it was still a little
bit of a trek, and, I'm glad that it
791
00:30:14,546 --> 00:30:18,616
seems more kids are being encouraged to
follow those paths, I am one of those
792
00:30:18,616 --> 00:30:23,346
weirdos that thinks that, um, it's great
to provide opportunities for people
793
00:30:23,396 --> 00:30:27,436
To go through, college if that's what
they want to do, if that's their path.
794
00:30:27,536 --> 00:30:30,806
But, if there's a road that they
can go down that, that takes them
795
00:30:30,806 --> 00:30:33,726
towards a particular trade or
prepares them for the world in a
796
00:30:33,726 --> 00:30:35,646
different way, then we should honor
797
00:30:36,011 --> 00:30:37,251
Pat: Oh, no question about it.
798
00:30:37,251 --> 00:30:41,061
Yeah, there's so many great opportunities
within like the skilled trades or really
799
00:30:41,061 --> 00:30:45,701
any of that and so Yeah, I mean kids don't
have to you know a four year institution
800
00:30:45,701 --> 00:30:50,831
is not always for some students Especially
with as big of an investment as it is
801
00:30:50,831 --> 00:30:55,871
nowadays college that is so I mean if you
can, you know get a leg up go to career
802
00:30:55,871 --> 00:31:00,701
center learn a skill and then Progress in
life that way that's that's a great path
803
00:31:00,776 --> 00:31:03,706
Stef: Yeah, and those kids come out
in some cases, prepared to actually
804
00:31:03,706 --> 00:31:04,966
enter the workforce immediately,
805
00:31:04,983 --> 00:31:06,546
Pat: Oh, yeah, most cases they do.
806
00:31:06,876 --> 00:31:07,826
These are such high demand
807
00:31:08,216 --> 00:31:09,236
Stef: Yeah, absolutely.
808
00:31:09,666 --> 00:31:12,756
Pat: And, we're kind of facing a
labor cliff in Michigan a little bit.
809
00:31:12,806 --> 00:31:15,796
We, you know, we have a population
problem and then we have, an entire
810
00:31:15,796 --> 00:31:17,576
generation that's on the cusp of retiring.
811
00:31:17,576 --> 00:31:21,346
And so if we can build that
pipeline, you know, the best we can,
812
00:31:21,346 --> 00:31:22,776
I think it'll benefit the state.
813
00:31:22,776 --> 00:31:24,526
Stef: it would be good for us culturally
814
00:31:24,586 --> 00:31:26,596
to talk more about those paths
815
00:31:26,646 --> 00:31:28,736
with the same value as going to college.
816
00:31:28,786 --> 00:31:31,666
we put a lot of value in that socially.
817
00:31:31,736 --> 00:31:32,756
it's just a choice.
818
00:31:32,856 --> 00:31:33,896
we all have our path.
819
00:31:33,976 --> 00:31:37,476
devaluing anything that is not
specifically the four year college.
820
00:31:37,506 --> 00:31:39,606
It's, it's very misleading.
821
00:31:39,641 --> 00:31:40,381
Pat: Yeah, it is.
822
00:31:40,381 --> 00:31:42,961
I think we've put too much
emphasis on the, on the college
823
00:31:42,981 --> 00:31:44,751
prep aspect of things in school.
824
00:31:44,751 --> 00:31:45,111
that's great.
825
00:31:45,111 --> 00:31:49,141
And we shouldn't stop doing that, but
we should also, uh, we should emphasize
826
00:31:49,151 --> 00:31:50,471
some of these other paths as well.
827
00:31:50,731 --> 00:31:54,711
get people, prepared for,
for life beyond K through 12.
828
00:31:54,921 --> 00:31:58,391
there's some great opportunities out
there aside from going to a four year
829
00:31:58,391 --> 00:31:59,971
institution or a community college even.
830
00:32:00,176 --> 00:32:02,636
Stef: we talked about the, the
young kids a little bit already.
831
00:32:02,916 --> 00:32:06,576
how much different does it feel like now
having that extra loud voice in the house?
832
00:32:06,676 --> 00:32:07,645
Pat: in the house?
833
00:32:07,645 --> 00:32:09,561
Well, it, you know, it's
certainly challenging.
834
00:32:09,631 --> 00:32:12,491
Uh, like I said, we live
in a very small house.
835
00:32:12,491 --> 00:32:12,824
Oh,
836
00:32:13,033 --> 00:32:13,737
Stef: small house,
837
00:32:13,901 --> 00:32:14,661
Pat: a lot of my job,
838
00:32:14,793 --> 00:32:15,145
Stef: Echoey,
839
00:32:15,361 --> 00:32:18,091
Pat: yeah, a lot of my job
consists of virtual meetings.
840
00:32:18,312 --> 00:32:18,664
Stef: meetings.
841
00:32:18,664 --> 00:32:19,526
Oh, okay.
842
00:32:19,551 --> 00:32:23,051
Pat: I have Preface every meeting
with, you know, I apologize.
843
00:32:23,051 --> 00:32:25,201
You're probably going to hear a
screaming toddler at some point.
844
00:32:25,291 --> 00:32:28,651
it's certainly been challenging, but
just, uh, just rewarding at times.
845
00:32:28,651 --> 00:32:31,551
And I, I told you, I have a
tremendous amount of help.
846
00:32:31,551 --> 00:32:33,291
Like I said, I live next door my parents.
847
00:32:33,801 --> 00:32:37,591
Uh, it's been such a blessing to have
them, um, help out as much as they do.
848
00:32:37,591 --> 00:32:41,441
And so I can just send the kids over
there for a quick bit if I need to, two
849
00:32:41,441 --> 00:32:43,141
kids under two, it can be a challenge.
850
00:32:43,436 --> 00:32:45,816
Stef: even just two kids in
general because you're no
851
00:32:45,816 --> 00:32:47,266
longer, what is it they say?
852
00:32:47,286 --> 00:32:52,306
You go man to man instead of, um,
instead of zone coverage for the kids.
853
00:32:52,555 --> 00:32:52,916
Pat: Right.
854
00:32:52,916 --> 00:32:56,351
Well, actually opposite, uh, the
other way around, I think, uh,
855
00:32:56,461 --> 00:32:58,181
uh, at some point, I don't know.
856
00:32:58,221 --> 00:33:00,721
I'm not good at sports, there's a
correct reference there somewhere, but
857
00:33:00,731 --> 00:33:03,341
you get spread pretty thin, that's sure.
858
00:33:03,341 --> 00:33:04,241
And I, I feel bad.
859
00:33:04,241 --> 00:33:07,261
I, I have a job that requires
me to be gone quite a bit.
860
00:33:07,261 --> 00:33:07,741
And so.
861
00:33:08,216 --> 00:33:11,446
Um, my poor wife, she's stuck at
home with the kids a lot, but she,
862
00:33:11,446 --> 00:33:13,206
uh, she managed it just, just fine,
863
00:33:13,826 --> 00:33:17,136
Stef: There, there are some people
who are just equipped for that.
864
00:33:17,176 --> 00:33:18,276
And I've.
865
00:33:18,601 --> 00:33:22,051
I've had the privilege to work with
a lot of those families because I
866
00:33:22,051 --> 00:33:24,951
was a youth librarian for years and
years, the Storytime families were
867
00:33:24,951 --> 00:33:28,581
frequently the families that, that had
one parent that spent a lot of time
868
00:33:28,581 --> 00:33:33,661
at home with the kids and they're not
always women, um, but primarily women
869
00:33:33,671 --> 00:33:37,691
and, um, they are just miracle workers.
870
00:33:38,381 --> 00:33:38,521
Pat: like.
871
00:33:38,781 --> 00:33:39,281
Oh, they really
872
00:33:39,461 --> 00:33:43,691
Stef: Yeah, I, like, I, I was never
a stay at home parent and I am.
873
00:33:44,286 --> 00:33:48,586
In awe of what they do and
how much energy goes into it.
874
00:33:48,636 --> 00:33:51,066
And you are on all the time.
875
00:33:51,066 --> 00:33:51,146
Oh,
876
00:33:51,161 --> 00:33:52,871
Pat: no question about You have no choice.
877
00:33:52,951 --> 00:33:54,691
You have to be on all the time.
878
00:33:55,141 --> 00:33:57,301
Uh, I would pull my hair out,
I think, if I was a stay at
879
00:33:57,306 --> 00:33:57,612
Stef: think.
880
00:33:57,612 --> 00:33:58,836
Me too, me too.
881
00:33:58,886 --> 00:33:59,816
I enjoy my job.
882
00:33:59,866 --> 00:34:01,636
the balance is definitely nice.
883
00:34:02,011 --> 00:34:02,691
Pat: How old are your kids?
884
00:34:02,901 --> 00:34:03,811
I know you said earlier.
885
00:34:04,044 --> 00:34:04,318
Stef: earlier.
886
00:34:04,318 --> 00:34:07,096
Uh, my, my youngest is three,
and my oldest is seven.
887
00:34:07,436 --> 00:34:09,056
first grade here at Baldwin Heights.
888
00:34:09,356 --> 00:34:12,376
he's a little more independent these days,
but, they're both very strong willed.
889
00:34:12,386 --> 00:34:14,066
They both have some big personalities at
890
00:34:14,101 --> 00:34:14,461
Pat: Oh, sure.
891
00:34:14,461 --> 00:34:15,391
Well, that's a great ages.
892
00:34:15,611 --> 00:34:16,091
Stef: Yeah.
893
00:34:16,421 --> 00:34:19,731
when I first interviewed for this
position, I was just finishing up
894
00:34:19,731 --> 00:34:21,641
maternity leave with my youngest.
895
00:34:21,641 --> 00:34:24,461
And so, and we were still
doing virtual interviews.
896
00:34:24,781 --> 00:34:31,351
So I, I was interviewing virtually in
the only, like the only room I could find
897
00:34:31,361 --> 00:34:35,781
that you could hopefully not hear all
the chaos in another part of the house.
898
00:34:36,081 --> 00:34:38,071
I remember them saying like, it's
a little dark where you're at.
899
00:34:38,071 --> 00:34:39,781
And I'm like, I, I had to improvise.
900
00:34:40,316 --> 00:34:46,936
Pat: had to improvise here.
901
00:34:46,936 --> 00:34:56,866
Especially when they're
really little, yeah.
902
00:34:56,866 --> 00:35:03,486
Finding spots for infants
903
00:35:03,673 --> 00:35:06,470
Stef: really little, yeah, finding
spots for infants is very tough.
904
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:07,487
Yeah, I can imagine.
905
00:35:07,487 --> 00:35:07,741
Um,
906
00:35:08,451 --> 00:35:09,571
Pat: Um, we,
907
00:35:09,921 --> 00:35:10,821
Stef: we made it work.
908
00:35:10,921 --> 00:35:14,111
we were able to wait a little bit of time
for both kids to put them in daycare,
909
00:35:14,111 --> 00:35:16,021
but they were both in it under one.
910
00:35:16,411 --> 00:35:21,311
we moved, my oldest into a preschool
program at Faith Community Christian
911
00:35:21,311 --> 00:35:23,201
here just, just outside of Belding.
912
00:35:23,651 --> 00:35:26,761
they had a nice little classroom cohort,
so they were mostly just, there were
913
00:35:26,761 --> 00:35:28,031
five other kids that they were with.
914
00:35:28,071 --> 00:35:29,881
And that was, that was perfect.
915
00:35:30,261 --> 00:35:34,621
we've been lucky, but I feel like
there is an advantage, especially once
916
00:35:34,621 --> 00:35:39,241
they get maybe two ish or older, to,
to have them have that opportunity
917
00:35:39,241 --> 00:35:44,281
to, to be around other children
regularly, because it prepares them
918
00:35:44,281 --> 00:35:45,731
a lot more for when they're older.
919
00:35:46,071 --> 00:35:49,911
Um, kids that, that come to kindergarten
on the first day that have spent
920
00:35:49,921 --> 00:35:53,421
most of their time at home, it's
a big, it's a big transition for
921
00:35:53,514 --> 00:35:54,194
Pat: question about it.
922
00:35:54,194 --> 00:35:57,184
Yeah, and that's something we gotta
work on with my son, because, like I
923
00:35:57,184 --> 00:35:58,354
said, we live next door to my parents.
924
00:35:58,354 --> 00:36:00,324
And so he's either at our
house or my parents house.
925
00:36:00,324 --> 00:36:02,544
He really doesn't have a ton
of interaction with other kids.
926
00:36:02,544 --> 00:36:05,704
And been slowly trying to introduce
him to, uh, to various things.
927
00:36:05,704 --> 00:36:11,454
We do, we started this like, uh, Toddler
time thing up in Grand Rapids just to
928
00:36:11,454 --> 00:36:12,864
get them some of that social interaction.
929
00:36:12,894 --> 00:36:13,909
I think that is important.
930
00:36:14,404 --> 00:36:15,054
Stef: It is, yeah.
931
00:36:15,054 --> 00:36:17,494
I'm not an early childhood
expert, but I think it actually,
932
00:36:17,584 --> 00:36:20,344
does something significant to
how their brain develops, too.
933
00:36:20,844 --> 00:36:25,174
as they transition from, this concept
of like, I can't remember what it's
934
00:36:25,174 --> 00:36:28,144
called, but it's, it's basically when
they're, they're not playing with
935
00:36:28,154 --> 00:36:30,894
the other children yet, but they're
kind of playing right next to them.
936
00:36:30,894 --> 00:36:34,314
So they're comfortable with them in
their space and then moving from that
937
00:36:34,324 --> 00:36:39,664
to actually engaging and that having
that, um, that connection made in
938
00:36:39,664 --> 00:36:43,094
their brain hopefully you're more
comfortable with people older you get.
939
00:36:43,514 --> 00:36:48,514
obviously you talked a little bit
about how even just being part of the
940
00:36:48,514 --> 00:36:52,774
legislature has changed since when
your dad would have started how do you
941
00:36:52,804 --> 00:36:56,964
think, what's sort of important for your
community and for your constituents?
942
00:36:56,974 --> 00:37:01,004
How do you think that's
changed since, 20 years ago?
943
00:37:01,054 --> 00:37:16,202
Pat: state government at this point.
944
00:37:16,612 --> 00:37:19,432
You know, no shortage of, of
things to divide us nowadays.
945
00:37:19,432 --> 00:37:21,932
And I feel like, and we talked about
this earlier, social media really
946
00:37:21,932 --> 00:37:23,662
amplifies that division in a lot of ways.
947
00:37:23,662 --> 00:37:26,682
that really wasn't as prevalent
when my dad first got into politics.
948
00:37:26,682 --> 00:37:28,422
But now it's, it's
pretty much unavoidable.
949
00:37:28,608 --> 00:37:31,607
Uh, Yeah, certainly.
950
00:37:31,657 --> 00:37:35,867
I am a one specific party, but I,
I have to represent everybody the
951
00:37:35,867 --> 00:37:38,627
best I can, so it's, maybe I don't
represent you well on this issue,
952
00:37:38,627 --> 00:37:42,347
but I hope I represent you well on
this other issue and, and vice versa.
953
00:37:42,367 --> 00:37:46,312
But, uh, Yeah, just the division has
changed a lot, made it more challenging
954
00:37:46,412 --> 00:37:50,232
to serve, but, you know, really the
needs of the communities, those are
955
00:37:50,232 --> 00:37:52,832
still the same, it seems like, from
when my dad first got involved.
956
00:37:52,842 --> 00:37:54,422
Whether, you know, we
have a housing shortage,
957
00:37:54,592 --> 00:37:56,202
you know, our communities
still aren't getting the share
958
00:37:56,203 --> 00:37:57,912
of state resources at all.
959
00:37:58,237 --> 00:38:01,167
as other parts of the state while it's
changed quite a bit at the same, at
960
00:38:01,167 --> 00:38:03,967
the same, time, the issues have kind
of stayed the same, Michigan's kind
961
00:38:03,967 --> 00:38:08,507
of unique in a sense that we don't
really have a diversified economy.
962
00:38:09,057 --> 00:38:11,197
Everything is just so
tied to the auto industry.
963
00:38:11,697 --> 00:38:14,957
Even, you know, even a lot of the
local manufacturing around here, so.
964
00:38:15,447 --> 00:38:17,977
something happens in that sector
of the economy, you know, we're
965
00:38:17,977 --> 00:38:19,187
kind of held hostage in a lot of
966
00:38:19,202 --> 00:38:19,872
Stef: Yeah,
967
00:38:20,287 --> 00:38:24,167
Pat: you know, and so, uh, trying to
diversify our economy the best we can,
968
00:38:24,177 --> 00:38:27,337
although it's kind of a challenge up
in rural Michigan, just given given
969
00:38:27,337 --> 00:38:31,167
the resources and other challenges
that we have, but, uh, but, you know,
970
00:38:31,167 --> 00:38:32,530
housing was one that's been just, you
971
00:38:32,552 --> 00:38:34,052
Stef: just a
972
00:38:34,062 --> 00:38:37,032
Pat: prevalent one throughout the
last number of years because you
973
00:38:37,032 --> 00:38:38,392
want your kids to stay close to you.
974
00:38:38,452 --> 00:38:42,772
you want, uh, to have that relationship
and, and if there's not housing available,
975
00:38:42,772 --> 00:38:43,992
they're, they're going to go elsewhere.
976
00:38:43,992 --> 00:38:46,042
And we're seeing that,
you know, take place.
977
00:38:46,042 --> 00:38:48,822
A a lot of younger people
are, are getting out of Dodge.
978
00:38:48,823 --> 00:38:49,111
And
979
00:38:49,957 --> 00:38:53,257
Stef: then on the flip side, a lot of,
you know, older people are, are staying
980
00:38:53,257 --> 00:38:55,247
in their homes for much longer too.
981
00:38:56,042 --> 00:38:57,932
Yeah, so there's not as much
982
00:38:57,948 --> 00:39:02,027
Pat: Oh, no question.
983
00:39:02,027 --> 00:39:03,067
This is a real estate market.
984
00:39:03,067 --> 00:39:05,127
It's a kind of a supply
and demand issue here.
985
00:39:05,337 --> 00:39:06,607
try buying a house right now.
986
00:39:06,607 --> 00:39:09,767
I mean, no, it's not fun.
987
00:39:09,817 --> 00:39:11,657
Uh, it's not.
988
00:39:11,657 --> 00:39:12,937
Oh, we're building one for that matter.
989
00:39:12,937 --> 00:39:13,557
And, you
990
00:39:13,662 --> 00:39:16,922
Stef: buying a second house, it
definitely, it's a very different
991
00:39:16,922 --> 00:39:19,832
situation than trying to get
into it for the first time.
992
00:39:19,982 --> 00:39:20,852
Pat: No question about it.
993
00:39:20,852 --> 00:39:23,012
And we, we just bought our
first house a couple years ago.
994
00:39:23,252 --> 00:39:26,937
prior to that I just, I rented a
place and, um, you know, that worked
995
00:39:26,937 --> 00:39:29,222
well for a time, but at some point
it's you wanna own the house that you
996
00:39:29,542 --> 00:39:38,563
Stef: want to own the so when,
when you were a kid, were you
997
00:39:38,563 --> 00:39:39,823
a school person or a non school
998
00:39:40,308 --> 00:39:40,808
Pat: You know,
999
00:39:40,823 --> 00:39:42,093
Stef: you like going to school?
1000
00:39:42,308 --> 00:39:44,998
Pat: it's, it's funny because I'm
one that looks and looks at my
1001
00:39:45,138 --> 00:39:47,398
school years as really fond memories.
1002
00:39:47,448 --> 00:39:49,998
I, uh I absolutely love
the school I went to.
1003
00:39:49,998 --> 00:39:50,768
I went to Lakeview.
1004
00:39:50,768 --> 00:39:53,118
It's just a small school in
northern Montcombe County,
1005
00:39:53,118 --> 00:39:54,488
Stef: Oh, is
1006
00:39:54,528 --> 00:39:55,308
Pat: Oh, really?
1007
00:39:55,308 --> 00:39:55,503
Okay.
1008
00:39:55,503 --> 00:39:59,178
Uh, my parents as well, basically my whole
family for the most part went to Lakeview.
1009
00:39:59,178 --> 00:40:01,568
And so, we are Wildcats
through and through.
1010
00:40:01,598 --> 00:40:06,238
Um, but, you know, it's funny, I wasn't
necessarily a school person, per se.
1011
00:40:06,248 --> 00:40:09,558
I, uh, academically speaking, I
didn't take it very seriously.
1012
00:40:09,953 --> 00:40:13,713
I didn't get serious about it until my
higher education career, when I started
1013
00:40:13,713 --> 00:40:15,094
paying for my own college, and then I
1014
00:40:15,144 --> 00:40:16,572
Stef: took it very seriously after that.
1015
00:40:16,572 --> 00:40:16,810
I
1016
00:40:16,817 --> 00:40:20,023
Pat: I took it very seriously after that,
I hate to even admit this, but I was,
1017
00:40:20,023 --> 00:40:22,053
uh, I was a very naughty kid growing up.
1018
00:40:22,443 --> 00:40:26,453
constantly getting into trouble,
uh, hard time staying in my seat.
1019
00:40:26,948 --> 00:40:28,528
Uh, all harmless fun.
1020
00:40:28,578 --> 00:40:32,098
I just like to mess around with my friends
and, uh, not take anything too seriously.
1021
00:40:32,098 --> 00:40:34,838
But I, I, I certainly
enjoyed school growing up.
1022
00:40:35,533 --> 00:40:37,493
It's fun running into my former teachers.
1023
00:40:37,528 --> 00:40:38,288
Stef: Oh yeah,
1024
00:40:38,366 --> 00:40:39,183
Pat: they're just like, really?
1025
00:40:39,433 --> 00:40:41,363
I'm surprised this is the
career path you chose.
1026
00:40:41,465 --> 00:40:41,959
Stef: you chose.
1027
00:40:41,959 --> 00:40:42,701
Oh, well, okay.
1028
00:40:42,948 --> 00:40:44,238
that was another question I asked.
1029
00:40:44,238 --> 00:40:46,898
was there a time that you had
something else that you wanted
1030
00:40:46,898 --> 00:40:48,068
to do when you were growing up?
1031
00:40:48,598 --> 00:40:53,718
Pat: There was, uh, you know, so
I spent most of my, uh, my younger
1032
00:40:53,718 --> 00:40:56,738
years, you know, planning to take
over my family's excavating business.
1033
00:40:57,513 --> 00:40:57,943
Stef: So,
1034
00:40:58,168 --> 00:41:01,618
Pat: uh, excavating, home
construction, uh, I wanted to
1035
00:41:01,618 --> 00:41:03,058
be a farmer on the side as well.
1036
00:41:03,508 --> 00:41:06,608
Uh, so, so most of my
life that was my plan.
1037
00:41:06,658 --> 00:41:11,818
but, um, you know, I, God always has
a different plan for you, and so when
1038
00:41:11,818 --> 00:41:15,768
this opportunity, presented itself,
I, I jumped at it, but, it was not my
1039
00:41:15,768 --> 00:41:18,998
plan, and if I did run for office, it
was going to be, you know, later on
1040
00:41:18,998 --> 00:41:21,238
in my life, maybe my retirement age.
1041
00:41:21,925 --> 00:41:26,294
Stef: be, you know, later on in my life.
1042
00:41:26,294 --> 00:41:29,132
Or maybe my retirement age.
1043
00:41:29,132 --> 00:41:30,267
You know,
1044
00:41:30,628 --> 00:41:31,448
Pat: You know, it's funny.
1045
00:41:31,448 --> 00:41:35,018
I never had, uh, had big aspirations
like that for whatever reason.
1046
00:41:35,018 --> 00:41:36,448
I always just wanted
to do what my dad did.
1047
00:41:36,458 --> 00:41:40,928
And, uh, so if he was going to
be, uh, you know, a postmaster, I
1048
00:41:40,928 --> 00:41:42,318
probably would have been a postmaster.
1049
00:41:42,628 --> 00:41:44,828
you know, I was kind of one of those
kids to be quite honest with you.
1050
00:41:44,878 --> 00:41:48,733
while other kids were, um,
you know, being, Begging to
1051
00:41:48,743 --> 00:41:49,463
hang out with their friends.
1052
00:41:49,463 --> 00:41:51,063
I was begging my dad to
take me to work with them.
1053
00:41:51,473 --> 00:41:55,123
I just wanted to be an
excavator and a farmer and,
1054
00:41:55,173 --> 00:41:57,283
yeah, obviously I took a different route.
1055
00:41:57,818 --> 00:42:00,788
Stef: that's one of the aspects of, State
Legislature, too, is that it doesn't
1056
00:42:00,788 --> 00:42:02,808
become your whole life, either, so.
1057
00:42:03,098 --> 00:42:06,268
Pat: my I serve with people
from all walks of life.
1058
00:42:06,268 --> 00:42:08,285
I mean, they could be a dietician.
1059
00:42:08,285 --> 00:42:08,856
Uh, builder.
1060
00:42:08,856 --> 00:42:10,296
They could be a farmer.
1061
00:42:10,296 --> 00:42:13,466
They could be a doctor, a
lawyer, a lot of lawyers.
1062
00:42:13,916 --> 00:42:15,296
So, you just never know.
1063
00:42:15,366 --> 00:42:18,456
Uh, that is kind of the, one of the
unique perspectives of state legislature.
1064
00:42:18,476 --> 00:42:20,476
These are citizen legislators
for the most part.
1065
00:42:20,506 --> 00:42:20,926
Stef: Right.
1066
00:42:20,986 --> 00:42:21,966
Part time, so to speak.
1067
00:42:21,966 --> 00:42:24,946
Not exactly part time, but
yes, not your whole life.
1068
00:42:24,966 --> 00:42:25,576
Yeah.
1069
00:42:25,676 --> 00:42:30,726
Yeah, which I think there's definitely
some value to that because anything like
1070
00:42:30,726 --> 00:42:35,906
this that you spend your whole career
doing something specific, even with the
1071
00:42:35,906 --> 00:42:39,816
best intentions, I feel like it would
still be easy to sort of lose track of
1072
00:42:39,866 --> 00:42:41,746
what life looks like from the outside.
1073
00:42:41,938 --> 00:42:42,470
Pat: about it.
1074
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:46,453
I don't want to knock career politicians,
but there is a benefit, to bringing
1075
00:42:46,453 --> 00:42:49,471
a different perspective to, to the
legislative branch of government.
1076
00:42:49,941 --> 00:42:50,871
No question about it.
1077
00:42:51,251 --> 00:42:55,331
Stef: so the core concept behind the
podcast, of course, was this idea
1078
00:42:55,331 --> 00:42:59,221
of like how comforting it is to just
sort of lounge on the front porch
1079
00:42:59,231 --> 00:43:02,161
and engage with the people in your
family and the people who live around
1080
00:43:02,266 --> 00:43:02,486
Pat: I love
1081
00:43:02,851 --> 00:43:03,671
Stef: So thank you.
1082
00:43:03,901 --> 00:43:07,981
Um, so I have to ask, Does
your family have a front porch?
1083
00:43:08,241 --> 00:43:10,246
Pat: They do and they, they did.
1084
00:43:10,246 --> 00:43:12,956
Yeah, we had a nice,
uh, covered front porch.
1085
00:43:13,356 --> 00:43:15,806
uh, it kind of overlooked
one of our hay fields.
1086
00:43:16,081 --> 00:43:17,001
Stef: Ooh, okay.
1087
00:43:17,156 --> 00:43:19,816
Pat: know, it faced the east, so
it was really ideal for sunrises.
1088
00:43:20,396 --> 00:43:21,806
yeah, we loved the front porch.
1089
00:43:21,806 --> 00:43:24,826
Had a nice, uh, a nice
swing on it as well.
1090
00:43:24,826 --> 00:43:28,086
I spent a lot of time out there
reading and, you know, family
1091
00:43:28,086 --> 00:43:29,166
birthdays, things like that.
1092
00:43:29,166 --> 00:43:30,156
It was well utilized.
1093
00:43:30,456 --> 00:43:34,276
Stef: Yeah, no question about it.
1094
00:43:34,276 --> 00:43:36,796
And now
1095
00:43:36,996 --> 00:43:39,576
Pat: And now that we've all moved
out of the house, sadly, now there's
1096
00:43:39,576 --> 00:43:40,826
just a herd of cats out there on the
1097
00:43:40,876 --> 00:43:41,016
Stef: Oh,
1098
00:43:41,056 --> 00:43:41,526
Pat: porch, it seems like.
1099
00:43:42,276 --> 00:43:44,776
constitutes a herd?
1100
00:43:44,776 --> 00:43:48,674
Oh gosh, uh, you know, there, there
could be half a dozen, there could be a
1101
00:43:48,772 --> 00:43:49,195
Stef: there
1102
00:43:49,343 --> 00:43:50,006
Pat: could be 20.
1103
00:43:50,016 --> 00:43:50,806
I don't really know.
1104
00:43:50,806 --> 00:43:51,561
Do
1105
00:43:51,735 --> 00:43:54,275
Stef: be 20, I don't really know.
1106
00:43:54,275 --> 00:43:57,239
They are essentially barn cats, and they
1107
00:43:57,556 --> 00:44:01,246
Pat: They are essentially cats
and they multiply like crazy.
1108
00:44:01,276 --> 00:44:06,106
Uh, my just constantly are to the elevator
buying these big bags of cat food.
1109
00:44:07,066 --> 00:44:09,986
To feed these critters, but,
uh, yeah, it's sadly our front
1110
00:44:09,986 --> 00:44:11,136
porch is a bit reduced to that.
1111
00:44:11,287 --> 00:44:15,263
Stef: our front porch has been reduced
1112
00:44:15,596 --> 00:44:17,046
Pat: Yeah, very much so.
1113
00:44:17,076 --> 00:44:18,806
We don't want to have
feral cats running around.
1114
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,227
Stef: very much so.
1115
00:44:21,889 --> 00:44:24,540
don't want to have
1116
00:44:25,516 --> 00:44:25,626
Pat: right.
1117
00:44:25,716 --> 00:44:26,196
It's right.
1118
00:44:26,607 --> 00:44:28,307
Stef: So, you said you were
reading something, like there
1119
00:44:28,307 --> 00:44:29,667
was a series you were now.
1120
00:44:29,677 --> 00:44:31,707
What is it that you're working through?
1121
00:44:31,777 --> 00:44:31,867
So,
1122
00:44:31,924 --> 00:44:32,162
Pat: through?
1123
00:44:32,163 --> 00:44:33,593
So, it's the last Kingdom series.
1124
00:44:33,593 --> 00:44:35,313
It actually turned into a television show.
1125
00:44:35,403 --> 00:44:38,023
But I've been reading this author,
this guy named Bernard Cornwell,
1126
00:44:38,146 --> 00:44:39,066
Stef: named Bernard Cornwell.
1127
00:44:39,066 --> 00:44:39,373
Yes,
1128
00:44:39,523 --> 00:44:39,913
Pat: time.
1129
00:44:39,913 --> 00:44:41,293
So, this is about the
1130
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:41,825
Stef: uh,
1131
00:44:42,343 --> 00:44:44,823
Pat: formation of modern
day England, essentially.
1132
00:44:45,083 --> 00:44:46,683
It takes place in the 11th century.
1133
00:44:47,133 --> 00:44:51,483
This is when, You had England, but
it had a bunch of different kingdoms.
1134
00:44:51,883 --> 00:44:53,813
know, there wasn't a central
kingdom there, and they were
1135
00:44:53,813 --> 00:44:55,243
fighting the Danes all the time.
1136
00:44:55,683 --> 00:44:58,493
Uh, so this is the formation
modern day England.
1137
00:44:58,833 --> 00:45:03,363
a guy named Alfred the Great, the only,
the only, uh, king that they called a
1138
00:45:03,363 --> 00:45:07,063
great in England, uh, pretty much, uh,
assembled all the kingdoms and, and,
1139
00:45:07,063 --> 00:45:08,613
uh, started pushing off the Danes.
1140
00:45:08,613 --> 00:45:09,993
And that's this story is about.
1141
00:45:09,993 --> 00:45:11,633
I've been reading it for about a year now.
1142
00:45:11,633 --> 00:45:13,303
There's like 13 books within this series.
1143
00:45:13,321 --> 00:45:14,077
Stef: this Okay.
1144
00:45:14,077 --> 00:45:16,887
Is it, is it um, historical
fiction or fantasy?
1145
00:45:17,367 --> 00:45:17,748
Pat: fantasy?
1146
00:45:17,748 --> 00:45:21,868
It's, uh, I categorize
it as historical fiction.
1147
00:45:21,888 --> 00:45:24,108
It fiction, but it's based
on a lot of real events.
1148
00:45:24,283 --> 00:45:25,000
Stef: real events.
1149
00:45:25,328 --> 00:45:27,798
Pat: you know, some of the characters
are real, some of them are made up.
1150
00:45:27,878 --> 00:45:29,958
Uh, so kind of a hybrid
in between those two.
1151
00:45:30,382 --> 00:45:32,327
Stef: hybrid between those two.
1152
00:45:32,327 --> 00:45:33,786
No, uh, I
1153
00:45:33,938 --> 00:45:38,573
Pat: No, uh, I mean there, well there
is a little bit, they, there, there
1154
00:45:38,573 --> 00:45:42,803
is a little bit of magic within it
as well, but like, uh, shamanistic
1155
00:45:42,808 --> 00:45:45,293
kind of Um, so there just a touch of
1156
00:45:45,529 --> 00:45:46,312
Stef: of that.
1157
00:45:46,312 --> 00:45:46,703
Yeah,
1158
00:45:47,098 --> 00:45:47,573
Pat: low key.
1159
00:45:47,878 --> 00:45:48,269
Stef: key.
1160
00:45:48,269 --> 00:45:49,052
Yeah, okay.
1161
00:45:49,052 --> 00:45:50,682
That is the fantasy that
I can deal with, too.
1162
00:45:51,232 --> 00:45:56,442
Like, anything that is, um, The name
that comes to mind, if you ever read them
1163
00:45:56,442 --> 00:46:00,242
when you were younger, is, uh, there's a
series, by a woman named Anne McCaffrey,
1164
00:46:00,272 --> 00:46:03,112
who does the Planet Full of Dragons pern.
1165
00:46:03,112 --> 00:46:04,692
Like, she had a whole series about
1166
00:46:04,728 --> 00:46:05,798
Pat: Okay, no, I'm actually not
1167
00:46:05,962 --> 00:46:09,832
Stef: But, um, yeah, anything that,
you have to learn the entire world.
1168
00:46:10,112 --> 00:46:13,922
It's, I, again, respect for people
who can immerse themselves in that.
1169
00:46:14,182 --> 00:46:18,012
Um, something that has historical
basis like that, I, I'm much
1170
00:46:18,032 --> 00:46:19,032
more comfortable that too.
1171
00:46:19,532 --> 00:46:20,192
Definitely.
1172
00:46:20,613 --> 00:46:22,893
Pat: and, you know, I
gravitate more towards, uh,
1173
00:46:23,532 --> 00:46:23,882
Stef: uh,
1174
00:46:23,933 --> 00:46:25,383
Pat: Non fiction historical books.
1175
00:46:25,823 --> 00:46:27,253
I read a ton of those.
1176
00:46:27,253 --> 00:46:32,713
I love biographies and things like But,
uh, but, you know, I'm all over the place.
1177
00:46:32,713 --> 00:46:34,353
I mean, I grew up reading Harry Potter.
1178
00:46:34,633 --> 00:46:38,223
Those are absolutely some of my
favorite books still to this day.
1179
00:46:38,223 --> 00:46:38,692
It's funny
1180
00:46:38,712 --> 00:46:41,552
Stef: It's funny you mention that
because the, the one conversation I've
1181
00:46:41,552 --> 00:46:45,002
had thus far with your dad was, which
was for the advocacy day last year.
1182
00:46:45,312 --> 00:46:47,652
Um, and, you know, of course we
were talking about libraries.
1183
00:46:47,732 --> 00:46:51,592
Um, I remember him bringing up Harry
Potter and reading it with y'all when
1184
00:46:51,658 --> 00:46:52,419
Pat: you were young.
1185
00:46:52,419 --> 00:46:53,958
Yeah, actually funny story about that.
1186
00:46:53,978 --> 00:46:57,048
So my, my dad and I read that
series at the exact same we would
1187
00:46:57,048 --> 00:47:00,448
buy, uh, you know, typically one
copy of the book as they came out.
1188
00:47:00,468 --> 00:47:03,028
And, uh, it was always a
competition who could read it first.
1189
00:47:03,978 --> 00:47:07,308
And so I'm, I'm rushing home from
school, reading as much as I can.
1190
00:47:07,748 --> 00:47:11,148
My dad staying up way past his
bedtime reading as much as I can.
1191
00:47:11,148 --> 00:47:15,698
I would get so mad if he'd get too far
ahead of me in the uh, yeah, really fond
1192
00:47:15,718 --> 00:47:17,478
memories of reading that series together.
1193
00:47:17,548 --> 00:47:18,228
Absolutely.
1194
00:47:18,337 --> 00:47:19,557
Stef: Right, and if you've
got the same copy, I
1195
00:47:19,938 --> 00:47:22,688
Pat: Oh, yeah.
1196
00:47:22,758 --> 00:47:26,878
Yeah, it was, uh, it was sort of
a competition we had, but, uh,
1197
00:47:27,058 --> 00:47:28,998
you know, just a great series
to be quite honest with you.
1198
00:47:29,278 --> 00:47:33,008
I still, uh, I still, you know,
look back as those are some of my
1199
00:47:33,008 --> 00:47:34,468
favorite books growing up for sure.
1200
00:47:34,697 --> 00:47:37,307
Stef: Yeah, there aren't a whole lot
of series that you can easily read
1201
00:47:37,307 --> 00:47:40,637
with a parent and sort of both enjoy
it a lot, but that's, yeah, that was
1202
00:47:40,637 --> 00:47:41,837
a definitely a good one like that.
1203
00:47:42,268 --> 00:47:43,078
Pat: question about it.
1204
00:47:43,138 --> 00:47:45,338
Um, do you have any
favorite books by chance?
1205
00:47:46,597 --> 00:47:50,357
Stef: Um, yeah, I, you know, I will
read a cross section of fantasy.
1206
00:47:50,357 --> 00:47:53,767
I, I've read way too much
historical nonfiction as well.
1207
00:47:53,997 --> 00:47:55,837
I have, like, 80 favorite books.
1208
00:47:55,837 --> 00:47:56,167
That's my
1209
00:47:56,523 --> 00:47:58,383
Pat: Yeah, and that's problem as well.
1210
00:47:58,383 --> 00:48:00,283
There's, there's so many
that stand out, though.
1211
00:48:00,573 --> 00:48:03,693
know, like I look at books like The
Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck.
1212
00:48:03,703 --> 00:48:05,963
That one really, I remember
having a really profound
1213
00:48:05,963 --> 00:48:07,223
feeling after reading that book.
1214
00:48:07,293 --> 00:48:09,523
just a great American literature classic.
1215
00:48:09,843 --> 00:48:12,463
Um, just, you know,
trying times in America.
1216
00:48:12,463 --> 00:48:12,943
Depression
1217
00:48:13,038 --> 00:48:13,665
Stef: after Mm hmm.
1218
00:48:13,665 --> 00:48:14,188
Just, uh, just a great
1219
00:48:14,263 --> 00:48:16,063
Pat: you know, migrant
workers and things like that.
1220
00:48:16,073 --> 00:48:18,598
there's just so many great
books that stand out.
1221
00:48:18,598 --> 00:48:20,618
I don't, honestly, I don't think
I could come up with a favorite.
1222
00:48:20,688 --> 00:48:20,958
There's,
1223
00:48:21,011 --> 00:48:21,779
Stef: with a favorite.
1224
00:48:21,779 --> 00:48:25,460
Yeah, it's hard to, I mean, you
enjoy a book one of my favorites is,
1225
00:48:25,540 --> 00:48:29,400
I think it won the Pulitzer in like
2003 ish or something like that.
1226
00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:32,210
it's by Michael Chabon, and it's called
The Adventures of Cavalier and Clay.
1227
00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:38,430
And it's about, um, two, comic book
writers, like writers and artists,
1228
00:48:38,430 --> 00:48:42,440
right during the, late 30s, early
40s, right when the big, like
1229
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,440
all the Superman and Batman and
all those comics, like, took off.
1230
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:50,441
one of the two main characters
he snuck out of, was it Ukraine?
1231
00:48:50,721 --> 00:48:53,251
Um, one of the European countries
because, you know, his family was
1232
00:48:53,251 --> 00:48:56,361
Jewish and they were trying to get him
out before things got too difficult
1233
00:48:56,381 --> 00:48:57,051
Pat: for him to escape.
1234
00:48:57,221 --> 00:49:00,871
Stef: So, you know, there are things
happening with his family, in Europe
1235
00:49:00,911 --> 00:49:03,801
while he's in the United States and
like he's constantly feeling guilty
1236
00:49:03,801 --> 00:49:07,751
about the fact that he's living this,
this, you know, great comic artist
1237
00:49:07,751 --> 00:49:11,561
life while his family is stuck behind,
um, you know, everything that's going
1238
00:49:11,561 --> 00:49:13,351
on during that period in, in Germany.
1239
00:49:13,701 --> 00:49:19,266
Um, so it's, it's, It has that beautiful
context of that era and, it's like
1240
00:49:19,266 --> 00:49:20,786
writing something about the Titanic.
1241
00:49:20,786 --> 00:49:24,616
it's this very universal, tragedy
that everybody's familiar with.
1242
00:49:24,616 --> 00:49:28,366
And you, I mean, to a certain extent, you
know that where things go for his family,
1243
00:49:28,366 --> 00:49:33,336
it's, it's not gonna be happy, and it's
gonna be rough, but, it's such a beautiful
1244
00:49:33,336 --> 00:49:37,836
encapsulation of that period in, in the
United States too, and like, that's why
1245
00:49:37,846 --> 00:49:39,506
I keep going back to it, is it's so,
1246
00:49:40,247 --> 00:49:41,105
Pat: the
1247
00:49:42,626 --> 00:49:45,896
Stef: yeah, um, my favorites I always
end up reading again and again.
1248
00:49:45,966 --> 00:49:47,816
It's like taking the same
vacation over and over again.
1249
00:49:47,961 --> 00:49:49,721
Pat: You know, sad to say, I
don't know if I've ever read
1250
00:49:49,721 --> 00:49:50,771
the same book more than once.
1251
00:49:51,086 --> 00:49:51,586
Stef: Well, good for you.
1252
00:49:51,586 --> 00:49:53,426
I mean, that means you're diving into new
1253
00:49:53,741 --> 00:49:54,711
Pat: Yeah, that's the problem.
1254
00:49:54,711 --> 00:49:58,331
I find so many good books that I want
to read that I never circle back to
1255
00:49:58,371 --> 00:49:59,671
some of the great ones that I've read.
1256
00:49:59,891 --> 00:50:01,071
Someday I will.
1257
00:50:01,071 --> 00:50:05,641
I got a mental list of books I want
to go back and re read, certainly.
1258
00:50:06,231 --> 00:50:08,021
Who did you say was the
author of that book?
1259
00:50:08,041 --> 00:50:08,931
Stef: Michael Chabon.
1260
00:50:09,051 --> 00:50:11,511
he's a really excellent writer,
but it was just one of those things
1261
00:50:11,511 --> 00:50:14,451
where like, it was such a beautiful
confluence of different things
1262
00:50:14,451 --> 00:50:17,471
that I've enjoyed his other stuff,
but it's never been exactly that.
1263
00:50:17,911 --> 00:50:23,291
Is there a specific area of historical
nonfiction that you know, like, a
1264
00:50:23,291 --> 00:50:27,141
lot about that if somebody put you on
the spot, you'd probably be able to.
1265
00:50:27,476 --> 00:50:28,546
To give an answer on.
1266
00:50:29,366 --> 00:50:32,366
Pat: You know, I, uh, you know,
World War II era, stuff like
1267
00:50:32,666 --> 00:50:34,436
Stef: I, I had a sneaking suspicion.
1268
00:50:34,436 --> 00:50:34,982
I'm
1269
00:50:35,066 --> 00:50:38,486
Pat: but I'm, I'm delving into, uh,
you know, branching out to, history
1270
00:50:38,496 --> 00:50:42,916
outside of the United States, branching
into, history of England and France
1271
00:50:42,946 --> 00:50:44,286
and some of those areas as well.
1272
00:50:44,486 --> 00:50:47,266
I would say I, uh, I know enough
to be dangerous on a lot of
1273
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:48,002
Stef: of different areas.
1274
00:50:48,176 --> 00:50:51,236
Pat: I don't know if I would nail down,
uh, expert status in any of those.
1275
00:50:51,741 --> 00:50:54,311
there's some areas I would feel
certainly more comfortable than others.
1276
00:50:54,431 --> 00:50:54,781
Right.
1277
00:50:54,856 --> 00:50:58,256
Stef: If it came up as a category in Pub
Trivia, you'd be able to hold your own.
1278
00:50:58,881 --> 00:51:01,221
Pat: know, I surprise myself on
things like Jeopardy every once
1279
00:51:02,111 --> 00:51:05,486
be a certain category, it's like, that
was made for me, I just nailed Yeah.
1280
00:51:05,486 --> 00:51:06,481
European
1281
00:51:07,006 --> 00:51:09,366
Stef: I, European
history is, is definitely
1282
00:51:09,466 --> 00:51:10,461
Pat: fun.
1283
00:51:10,461 --> 00:51:11,671
Yeah, it's fascinating.
1284
00:51:11,876 --> 00:51:15,586
Stef: they were all just always just
sniping at each other back then.
1285
00:51:15,661 --> 00:51:20,011
Pat: crazy to look back and, you know,
even, in those times, Like a lot of
1286
00:51:20,011 --> 00:51:23,791
things were, are very reminiscent of
today and, know, just in tribalism,
1287
00:51:23,791 --> 00:51:25,041
just random things like that.
1288
00:51:25,061 --> 00:51:26,481
It's, uh, it's quite fascinating.
1289
00:51:26,981 --> 00:51:27,381
Yeah,
1290
00:51:27,416 --> 00:51:28,376
Stef: yeah, definitely.
1291
00:51:28,426 --> 00:51:30,806
I didn't tell you in advance I was
going to do this, but it's more fun if
1292
00:51:30,806 --> 00:51:35,971
I sneak it once I had scheduled both
you and your dad coming on, I realized
1293
00:51:35,971 --> 00:51:40,741
that it might be fun to do sort of
a father son version of the newlywed
1294
00:51:40,741 --> 00:51:43,961
game and ask you each questions about
the other person and see if you match
1295
00:51:43,996 --> 00:51:45,096
Pat: Okay, let's go!
1296
00:51:45,521 --> 00:51:46,071
Stef: All right.
1297
00:51:46,121 --> 00:51:50,776
So, um, So we'll do, I have a
handful of questions and I'll have
1298
00:51:50,776 --> 00:51:54,386
you answer for you, and then I'll
have you answer, um, for your dad.
1299
00:51:54,996 --> 00:51:56,106
Um, easy questions, I promise.
1300
00:51:56,516 --> 00:51:57,976
Um, favorite food?
1301
00:51:58,871 --> 00:51:59,701
Pat: Oh gosh.
1302
00:52:00,211 --> 00:52:01,251
And we're, we're speaking
1303
00:52:01,456 --> 00:52:04,296
Stef: So first you, and then do what
you think your, your dad will say.
1304
00:52:04,590 --> 00:52:06,129
Pat: your dad will say.
1305
00:52:06,129 --> 00:52:06,898
Oh gosh.
1306
00:52:06,898 --> 00:52:11,606
My favorite food probably ribs, to
be quite it's something about, uh,
1307
00:52:11,636 --> 00:52:14,156
I, I love, I absolutely love ribs.
1308
00:52:14,206 --> 00:52:17,926
Pizza's up there too, but, uh, you
know, I'm just a big fan of, uh,
1309
00:52:17,936 --> 00:52:19,566
baby back ribs for whatever reason.
1310
00:52:19,873 --> 00:52:21,686
Stef: big fan of,
1311
00:52:22,866 --> 00:52:25,466
Pat: my dad is probably
a steak of some sort.
1312
00:52:25,713 --> 00:52:26,462
Stef: recipes.
1313
00:52:26,462 --> 00:52:31,486
Uh, my dad is probably a steak
1314
00:52:31,851 --> 00:52:33,076
Pat: is no surprise there.
1315
00:52:33,203 --> 00:52:33,951
Stef: sort.
1316
00:52:33,951 --> 00:52:36,198
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1317
00:52:36,198 --> 00:52:39,666
There is surprise there.
1318
00:52:39,943 --> 00:52:41,441
Yeah, absolutely.
1319
00:52:42,531 --> 00:52:45,446
Pat: I would say, uh, the Upper Peninsula.
1320
00:52:45,531 --> 00:52:46,041
Stef: Okay.
1321
00:52:46,641 --> 00:52:47,571
Winter or summer?
1322
00:52:48,001 --> 00:52:48,631
Pat: Winter.
1323
00:52:48,971 --> 00:52:50,431
say that for both my dad and I.
1324
00:52:50,501 --> 00:52:51,051
Stef: Oh, okay.
1325
00:52:51,081 --> 00:52:52,781
You think that he would
say Upper Peninsula too?
1326
00:52:52,861 --> 00:52:52,991
I think
1327
00:52:53,001 --> 00:52:53,371
Pat: so.
1328
00:52:53,541 --> 00:52:55,631
I, very fond memories of
our snowmobile trips up
1329
00:52:55,736 --> 00:52:55,931
Stef: there.
1330
00:52:56,191 --> 00:52:57,931
Pat: I think he's going to
say winter as well on the UP.
1331
00:52:58,781 --> 00:53:01,361
Stef: Yeah, I mean, there's definitely
special things that you can do
1332
00:53:01,371 --> 00:53:03,781
when the weather is, is snowier.
1333
00:53:04,151 --> 00:53:04,541
Yeah.
1334
00:53:04,851 --> 00:53:09,401
But it also takes a very special kind
of tourist in order to appreciate that.
1335
00:53:09,401 --> 00:53:09,691
Yeah.
1336
00:53:09,731 --> 00:53:09,811
No question
1337
00:53:09,871 --> 00:53:10,321
Pat: question about it.
1338
00:53:10,321 --> 00:53:12,811
It's not for everybody,
but uh, but it's for us.
1339
00:53:12,821 --> 00:53:13,401
That's for sure.
1340
00:53:13,851 --> 00:53:17,943
Stef: us, that's sure.
1341
00:53:18,993 --> 00:53:25,016
Pat: you want to cheat
1342
00:53:25,105 --> 00:53:28,175
Stef: last few years.
1343
00:53:28,175 --> 00:53:30,221
I, uh,
1344
00:53:32,366 --> 00:53:35,576
Pat: Uh, yeah, let's do one
from the last few years.
1345
00:53:35,616 --> 00:53:39,196
I, uh, I would say, and I
haven't seen Dune II yet, and
1346
00:53:39,626 --> 00:53:40,786
really looking forward to that
1347
00:53:41,096 --> 00:53:42,940
Stef: looking forward to that one.
1348
00:53:42,940 --> 00:53:43,677
No, I
1349
00:53:43,916 --> 00:53:46,056
Pat: No, makes want to,
to be honest with you.
1350
00:53:46,056 --> 00:53:48,036
But, uh, I absolutely love the first one.
1351
00:53:48,046 --> 00:53:50,786
My staff tells me the second
one is even better, so.
1352
00:53:51,336 --> 00:53:53,506
I think I'll be making a trip
this weekend to go see it.
1353
00:53:53,516 --> 00:53:55,916
But, uh, probably for the last
couple of years, my favorite
1354
00:53:55,916 --> 00:53:57,176
movie would be Oppenheimer.
1355
00:53:57,323 --> 00:53:58,798
Stef: last couple of years,
1356
00:53:59,136 --> 00:53:59,166
Pat: yet.
1357
00:53:59,166 --> 00:53:59,826
Phenomenal movie.
1358
00:53:59,826 --> 00:54:00,516
Very long.
1359
00:54:00,642 --> 00:54:01,011
Stef: Oppenheimer.
1360
00:54:01,011 --> 00:54:01,748
Phenomenal movie.
1361
00:54:01,748 --> 00:54:02,117
Very
1362
00:54:02,446 --> 00:54:03,446
Pat: is a commitment.
1363
00:54:03,592 --> 00:54:03,961
Stef: commitment.
1364
00:54:04,751 --> 00:54:07,931
And I imagine there's some of that
historical element to it that,
1365
00:54:08,021 --> 00:54:10,011
like, you like your history stuff.
1366
00:54:10,186 --> 00:54:10,656
Pat: I do.
1367
00:54:10,696 --> 00:54:11,026
Yep.
1368
00:54:11,401 --> 00:54:11,591
Stef: yeah.
1369
00:54:11,841 --> 00:54:12,421
How about your dad?
1370
00:54:13,256 --> 00:54:13,956
Pat: Oh, gosh.
1371
00:54:14,566 --> 00:54:16,016
Star Wars or Rocky.
1372
00:54:16,291 --> 00:54:17,951
Stef: Okay, alright,
we're going old school
1373
00:54:17,961 --> 00:54:18,981
Pat: school on this one.
1374
00:54:18,981 --> 00:54:19,236
Yeah.
1375
00:54:19,236 --> 00:54:19,491
Yeah.
1376
00:54:20,001 --> 00:54:22,851
Stef: Did you, did you watch a
lot of the, a lot of those, um,
1377
00:54:22,941 --> 00:54:24,141
series when you were growing up?
1378
00:54:24,259 --> 00:54:26,321
Pat: Yeah, and I still
do, as a matter of fact.
1379
00:54:26,351 --> 00:54:29,791
I still watch both of
them, uh, quite often.
1380
00:54:30,336 --> 00:54:35,136
in the Star Wars series, do you
have a, a favorite, like, or period?
1381
00:54:35,136 --> 00:54:37,766
Yeah, and I'm, I'm kind of old
school in that regard as well.
1382
00:54:37,786 --> 00:54:41,176
Uh, I, I'm a big fan of The
Empire Strikes think that's just a
1383
00:54:41,176 --> 00:54:43,506
phenomenal, uh, movie in the series.
1384
00:54:43,536 --> 00:54:46,746
But also, uh, even one of the
new ones, uh, Rogue One is
1385
00:54:47,384 --> 00:54:47,895
Stef: little
1386
00:54:47,916 --> 00:54:48,036
Pat: one.
1387
00:54:48,066 --> 00:54:50,976
A little darker aspect to it
than, uh, than the other ones.
1388
00:54:50,996 --> 00:54:54,476
But, uh, those are kind of the two
that I gravitate towards typically.
1389
00:54:55,692 --> 00:54:57,606
Stef: that I gravitate towards.
1390
00:54:58,531 --> 00:54:59,711
Pat: We're both going to say wrestling,
1391
00:55:00,036 --> 00:55:00,846
Stef: Oh, okay.
1392
00:55:00,846 --> 00:55:02,326
That is not what I would have expected.
1393
00:55:02,383 --> 00:55:03,052
Pat: have expected.
1394
00:55:03,052 --> 00:55:04,551
Yeah, we, what did you expect?
1395
00:55:04,551 --> 00:55:05,421
I don't
1396
00:55:05,446 --> 00:55:08,596
Stef: I, I didn't, it's not,
I, I will say it's not your
1397
00:55:08,616 --> 00:55:11,726
typical answer for a favorite
1398
00:55:11,731 --> 00:55:12,731
Pat: Yeah, we are.
1399
00:55:12,766 --> 00:55:13,136
Stef: yes.
1400
00:55:13,186 --> 00:55:13,966
But not necessarily
1401
00:55:14,161 --> 00:55:15,771
Pat: Yeah, we are weirdos in that regard.
1402
00:55:15,771 --> 00:55:16,011
We
1403
00:55:16,037 --> 00:55:16,633
Stef: love wrestling.
1404
00:55:16,641 --> 00:55:17,381
Pat: of wrestling.
1405
00:55:17,441 --> 00:55:20,066
And that's like, really the
only sport Sport that we
1406
00:55:20,066 --> 00:55:21,596
even watch for the most part.
1407
00:55:21,596 --> 00:55:22,646
I, well, I take that back.
1408
00:55:22,646 --> 00:55:25,586
I love watching the lions, but
I'm You know, aside from that, I'm
1409
00:55:25,586 --> 00:55:26,906
really not a huge football guy.
1410
00:55:27,326 --> 00:55:30,386
I do love the Detroit Lions, but
we both watch wrestling, uh, high
1411
00:55:30,386 --> 00:55:31,766
school wrestling, college wrestling.
1412
00:55:32,026 --> 00:55:34,146
Uh, international Olympic wrestling as
1413
00:55:34,221 --> 00:55:34,761
Stef: Okay.
1414
00:55:35,426 --> 00:55:35,456
Pat: okay.
1415
00:55:35,456 --> 00:55:37,226
I'm very confident he's
gonna say wrestling as well.
1416
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:37,867
Stef: as well.
1417
00:55:37,867 --> 00:55:42,941
So, so less on the, like the pro wrestling
side as opposed to the, yeah, cause
1418
00:55:42,941 --> 00:55:45,421
that's a, a different beast, definitely.
1419
00:55:45,431 --> 00:55:45,791
Yeah,
1420
00:55:45,806 --> 00:55:46,866
Pat: very much so.
1421
00:55:47,216 --> 00:55:49,826
Yeah, I never got into the WWE
1422
00:55:50,116 --> 00:55:54,306
Stef: Yeah, yeah, that's very,
it's much more performative,
1423
00:55:54,886 --> 00:55:56,206
Pat: Very much so, yeah.
1424
00:55:56,706 --> 00:55:58,166
Yeah, I don't know if I
fit that target audience.
1425
00:55:58,946 --> 00:56:00,756
Stef: Yeah, but that's, I
mean, that's kind of a fun
1426
00:56:00,756 --> 00:56:01,946
thing that you have together.
1427
00:56:02,556 --> 00:56:03,946
Did you ever wrestle in school?
1428
00:56:03,961 --> 00:56:04,491
Pat: I did.
1429
00:56:04,501 --> 00:56:04,791
Yeah.
1430
00:56:04,841 --> 00:56:06,321
I think my dad would disown me if I didn't
1431
00:56:06,340 --> 00:56:07,166
Stef: if I didn't wrestle.
1432
00:56:07,321 --> 00:56:07,691
Pat: I did.
1433
00:56:07,691 --> 00:56:08,571
I gave it my best.
1434
00:56:08,571 --> 00:56:11,801
I, I wasn't nearly as accomplished
as my dad, but I, I did wrestle
1435
00:56:11,881 --> 00:56:12,961
pretty much my entire life.
1436
00:56:13,506 --> 00:56:17,836
Stef: I feel like, um, in addition
to football, that is one of the most
1437
00:56:17,916 --> 00:56:23,346
physically demanding Taxing sports
that kids that age can participate in.
1438
00:56:23,386 --> 00:56:25,406
Pat: Yeah, it, you know, I
might be biased here, but I
1439
00:56:25,406 --> 00:56:26,906
think it is the toughest sport.
1440
00:56:26,926 --> 00:56:30,356
And I've, had a number of, uh,
friends that have kind of crossed over
1441
00:56:30,356 --> 00:56:33,746
from, from different, um, different
sports and they, kind of agree.
1442
00:56:33,746 --> 00:56:36,366
I mean, it's, uh, it's
different in that regard.
1443
00:56:36,366 --> 00:56:40,636
I you are putting your body through
things that nobody should put their bodies
1444
00:56:40,752 --> 00:56:41,492
Stef: Ha ha ha!
1445
00:56:41,492 --> 00:56:41,739
Putting
1446
00:56:41,756 --> 00:56:42,696
Pat: weight all the time.
1447
00:56:42,726 --> 00:56:42,973
Stef: time.
1448
00:56:42,973 --> 00:56:43,713
Oh, yeah, yeah.
1449
00:56:43,713 --> 00:56:43,960
Yeah,
1450
00:56:44,076 --> 00:56:45,656
Pat: yeah, it's just a
whole different beast.
1451
00:56:45,761 --> 00:56:46,901
Stef: Yeah, I can imagine.
1452
00:56:46,951 --> 00:56:47,581
Well, that's fun.
1453
00:56:47,971 --> 00:56:48,641
Um, one more.
1454
00:56:48,951 --> 00:56:52,331
if you won a hundred million dollars, what
would be the first thing you would do?
1455
00:56:52,946 --> 00:56:54,946
Pat: Oh my gosh, a
hundred million dollars.
1456
00:56:55,281 --> 00:56:58,091
Stef: I picked a higher number because
a million is like, oh yeah, well
1457
00:56:58,091 --> 00:57:01,841
I'll, I'll, you know, I'll buy a nice
vacation home or something like that.
1458
00:57:02,151 --> 00:57:04,831
it's not a, quite as
huge a number these days.
1459
00:57:05,321 --> 00:57:06,231
Pat: Yeah, no question.
1460
00:57:06,231 --> 00:57:07,631
By the time you get done with taxes, too,
1461
00:57:08,243 --> 00:57:08,526
Stef: taxes,
1462
00:57:08,561 --> 00:57:08,751
Pat: there.
1463
00:57:08,751 --> 00:57:12,251
But, uh, you know, I don't know,
to be quite honest with you.
1464
00:57:12,331 --> 00:57:16,011
Uh, I'm not one that's ever, like,
played the lottery or anything like that.
1465
00:57:16,511 --> 00:57:17,751
Uh, so I've never
1466
00:57:18,166 --> 00:57:20,530
Stef: just found it in
1467
00:57:20,841 --> 00:57:21,971
Pat: I just found it in the field.
1468
00:57:21,971 --> 00:57:26,791
First thing I would do is, uh, really fix
up my farm and do something really, really
1469
00:57:26,791 --> 00:57:30,956
spectacular with And then I would build
Probably buy a bunch of hunting property,
1470
00:57:30,956 --> 00:57:33,206
uh, in some other state, to be quite
1471
00:57:33,488 --> 00:57:33,955
Stef: up.
1472
00:57:34,422 --> 00:57:37,066
some other state to be quite
1473
00:57:37,671 --> 00:57:40,346
Pat: yeah, uh, you know, Montana, Wyoming.
1474
00:57:40,346 --> 00:57:40,347
Yeah.
1475
00:57:40,391 --> 00:57:41,036
Stef: say the Pacific
1476
00:57:41,046 --> 00:57:41,846
Pat: Wyoming.
1477
00:57:41,846 --> 00:57:46,796
You know, those, uh, those come to mind
right off the top, of the top of my head.
1478
00:57:46,796 --> 00:57:48,956
Honestly, I don't, that's a
very tough question for me.
1479
00:57:49,006 --> 00:57:50,866
make a bunch of sound
investments, hopefully.
1480
00:57:51,031 --> 00:57:51,721
nothing fun.
1481
00:57:51,721 --> 00:57:54,716
I, you know, I wouldn't go out
and buy a yacht or, or like a
1482
00:57:54,716 --> 00:57:56,036
Lamborghini or anything like
1483
00:57:56,341 --> 00:57:57,231
Stef: Fun is different to
1484
00:57:57,576 --> 00:57:59,676
Pat: Yeah, it really is,
to be honest with you.
1485
00:57:59,686 --> 00:58:00,816
I'd probably buy an airplane, though.
1486
00:58:00,816 --> 00:58:01,686
That would be kind of cool.
1487
00:58:01,751 --> 00:58:02,061
Stef: Okay.
1488
00:58:02,981 --> 00:58:05,481
We're escalating a little bit
here, the more you think about it.
1489
00:58:06,726 --> 00:58:07,676
Pat: So many ways you can go with
1490
00:58:07,871 --> 00:58:08,401
Stef: Right.
1491
00:58:08,581 --> 00:58:09,951
What do you think your dad would do?
1492
00:58:10,456 --> 00:58:12,576
Pat: Oh, gosh, I have no
idea, to be honest with you.
1493
00:58:12,606 --> 00:58:14,106
My dad's even more boring than I am.
1494
00:58:14,914 --> 00:58:17,126
Uh, you know, I, I think he
1495
00:58:17,231 --> 00:58:19,551
Stef: Maybe he would totally go
the other direction if he suddenly
1496
00:58:19,561 --> 00:58:20,371
had a bunch of money in his
1497
00:58:20,456 --> 00:58:23,206
Pat: Yeah, he might, he might totally
change, money might change my dad.
1498
00:58:23,826 --> 00:58:24,306
Stef: Oh, yeah.
1499
00:58:24,306 --> 00:58:26,046
I think, I'm sure it
would change most people.
1500
00:58:26,106 --> 00:58:26,406
Yeah.
1501
00:58:26,466 --> 00:58:31,776
Pat: I could see my dad buying some
extravagant property, some luxurious
1502
00:58:31,796 --> 00:58:36,356
cabin, Maybe in Colorado, Or maybe
just buy a bunch of property in the UP.
1503
00:58:36,626 --> 00:58:38,006
Stef: something outdoorsy
is what it sounds
1504
00:58:38,149 --> 00:58:38,386
Pat: like.
1505
00:58:38,386 --> 00:58:40,031
Probably, for the most part, yeah.
1506
00:58:40,086 --> 00:58:42,576
Stef: those at least sound like.
1507
00:58:42,656 --> 00:58:44,426
Fairly grown up choices.
1508
00:58:44,488 --> 00:58:45,375
Pat: if you
1509
00:58:45,966 --> 00:58:46,266
Stef: Safe
1510
00:58:46,705 --> 00:58:49,051
Pat: time, I would probably come
up with some different answers.
1511
00:58:50,251 --> 00:58:52,781
That's one I've never really thought
about, what I would do if I had a bunch of
1512
00:58:53,037 --> 00:58:53,536
Stef: interesting.
1513
00:58:53,536 --> 00:58:53,966
Okay.
1514
00:58:54,201 --> 00:58:55,561
Pat: Have you thought about that before?
1515
00:58:55,716 --> 00:58:58,966
Stef: I, I feel like everybody
just ruminates on it a little bit.
1516
00:58:58,986 --> 00:59:02,786
Um, just like what it would be like
to suddenly have, I, I, I've thought
1517
00:59:02,796 --> 00:59:05,576
a little bit more about like what
it, the smaller ones, like what
1518
00:59:05,576 --> 00:59:08,516
if somebody just gave me 100, 000,
I'd pay off all my student loans.
1519
00:59:09,064 --> 00:59:10,698
Pat: yeah, I would do
1520
00:59:11,466 --> 00:59:14,346
Stef: but with a bigger amount, I,
I would immediately pass it on to
1521
00:59:14,346 --> 00:59:17,446
somebody else who's more responsible
than me to, to keep track of.
1522
00:59:17,566 --> 00:59:18,356
So I don't, yeah.
1523
00:59:18,406 --> 00:59:22,826
definitely travel some, just, you
know, you know, have the freedom to
1524
00:59:22,857 --> 00:59:23,366
Pat: just, Ooh.
1525
00:59:23,711 --> 00:59:24,001
Yeah.
1526
00:59:24,656 --> 00:59:25,046
I like that.
1527
00:59:25,046 --> 00:59:25,796
Can I add travel as
1528
00:59:25,994 --> 00:59:26,880
Stef: add travel as well?
1529
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:27,322
Yes, yes.
1530
00:59:27,322 --> 00:59:27,765
Uh, the.
1531
00:59:28,296 --> 00:59:29,536
The time frame is still open.
1532
00:59:29,536 --> 00:59:29,876
We're good.
1533
00:59:30,196 --> 00:59:33,096
and then I've also thought about the
fact that I would really, I think
1534
00:59:33,096 --> 00:59:36,456
I would probably buy a little bit
of property too, but specifically,
1535
00:59:36,556 --> 00:59:38,406
to set up an animal shelter.
1536
00:59:38,586 --> 00:59:44,366
Like, I would, I would love to, to be able
to put some funding into, rescuing animals
1537
00:59:44,366 --> 00:59:49,426
that, you know, that for whatever reason
just have not had a good run in life.
1538
00:59:49,476 --> 00:59:52,876
There are so many animals out there
that they have health issues or whatever
1539
00:59:52,876 --> 00:59:54,456
that, they're hard to get adopted out.
1540
00:59:54,486 --> 00:59:56,086
And giving them a nice home
1541
00:59:56,318 --> 00:59:56,738
Pat: out.
1542
00:59:56,738 --> 00:59:57,206
Absolutely.
1543
00:59:57,206 --> 00:59:57,876
I love that.
1544
00:59:57,906 --> 00:59:58,266
Yeah.
1545
00:59:58,636 --> 01:00:00,946
So you mentioned traveling, Have
you ever traveled international
1546
01:00:01,641 --> 01:00:02,401
Stef: I have.
1547
01:00:02,481 --> 01:00:06,441
I spent a while goofing around in my early
twenties, um, which is really the time
1548
01:00:06,441 --> 01:00:07,981
in your life to goof around if going to.
1549
01:00:08,331 --> 01:00:11,651
I walked away from school for a
little bit and I spent some time,
1550
01:00:11,771 --> 01:00:15,551
um, living on next to nothing in
Western Europe for a little bit.
1551
01:00:15,951 --> 01:00:18,491
Um, and then came back because
I didn't have any money left.
1552
01:00:18,781 --> 01:00:22,731
I feel like if you have the opportunity
to do that sort of thing, when
1553
01:00:23,221 --> 01:00:26,311
you're at a point in your life
where you have no obligations yet,
1554
01:00:26,321 --> 01:00:30,181
you're not, you're not tied down
to a whole lot, and you don't mind.
1555
01:00:30,756 --> 01:00:32,866
Living, uh, next to nothing.
1556
01:00:33,746 --> 01:00:36,906
Because, you get older and you're like,
Okay, well, I want to sleep in a room
1557
01:00:36,906 --> 01:00:39,006
that doesn't have 17 strangers in it.
1558
01:00:39,036 --> 01:00:42,006
Because, a lot of the hostels in
there, you're, you're sleeping around
1559
01:00:42,006 --> 01:00:42,966
a bunch of people you don't know.
1560
01:00:43,016 --> 01:00:46,576
being comfortable with the idea
of having everything, that you
1561
01:00:46,676 --> 01:00:50,646
have with you day to day in one
backpack that, having that freedom
1562
01:00:50,882 --> 01:00:51,502
Pat: That's awesome.
1563
01:00:51,502 --> 01:00:53,312
I think that's one of
my biggest regrets, too.
1564
01:00:53,312 --> 01:00:56,302
I mentioned the military aspect of
things, but like, doing something
1565
01:00:56,312 --> 01:01:00,032
spontaneous like backpacking through
Europe in your early 20s, I feel like,
1566
01:01:00,812 --> 01:01:03,242
I have a little bit of regret of
not doing something like that.
1567
01:01:03,262 --> 01:01:04,512
That would have been really cool.
1568
01:01:04,552 --> 01:01:08,492
Kind of like you said, experiencing
all of that and kind of, uh,
1569
01:01:08,502 --> 01:01:11,682
frequenting the hostiles and something
like cool and edgy about that.
1570
01:01:12,266 --> 01:01:14,766
Stef: I will also acknowledge
that it's definitely a privilege
1571
01:01:14,766 --> 01:01:16,386
to be able to have done that too.
1572
01:01:16,446 --> 01:01:20,856
I was lucky enough that, my family
could get me over there it's definitely
1573
01:01:20,856 --> 01:01:24,246
harder to do when you know that
there's more at stake financially.
1574
01:01:24,296 --> 01:01:27,356
my passport has unfortunately been
expired for a while and I haven't
1575
01:01:27,356 --> 01:01:29,936
had good reason to, to renew it, but,
1576
01:01:30,242 --> 01:01:32,592
Pat: Well, I'm hoping to get a
passport at some point in time.
1577
01:01:32,602 --> 01:01:36,742
My wife and I are planning a
big trip to Italy and maybe
1578
01:01:36,832 --> 01:01:38,032
venture over to Greece too.
1579
01:01:38,282 --> 01:01:39,452
I've never been international
1580
01:01:39,476 --> 01:01:39,626
Stef: before.
1581
01:01:39,656 --> 01:01:40,226
Oh yeah.
1582
01:01:40,226 --> 01:01:40,616
Okay.
1583
01:01:40,762 --> 01:01:42,542
Pat: will be a entirely new experience.
1584
01:01:42,592 --> 01:01:44,112
I would love to do a
little bit of traveling.
1585
01:01:44,122 --> 01:01:44,712
Absolutely.
1586
01:01:45,216 --> 01:01:47,376
Stef: I can recommend
Germany for food too.
1587
01:01:47,637 --> 01:01:49,437
Pat: Germany's on my list big time.
1588
01:01:49,467 --> 01:01:52,457
I mean, a lot of Europe is, I
would love to experience Germany.
1589
01:01:52,528 --> 01:01:54,718
Stef: I'd love to experience Germany.
1590
01:01:54,718 --> 01:01:56,909
My wife is a foodie.
1591
01:01:56,927 --> 01:01:57,977
Pat: My wife is a foodie.
1592
01:01:58,457 --> 01:02:01,157
absolutely likes some wine
too, so that's why I think, uh,
1593
01:02:01,187 --> 01:02:02,447
she's really gonna enjoy Italy.
1594
01:02:02,897 --> 01:02:03,335
Stef: absolutely.
1595
01:02:03,335 --> 01:02:07,278
She'll have her reviews
about France, to be
1596
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,200
Pat: heard mixed reviews about
France, to be quite honest with you.
1597
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:09,530
There
1598
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:13,140
Stef: there's certainly aspects
of, of, and it's a big country,
1599
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:16,930
that romance for like Paris and
whatnot, it just, it passed me by.
1600
01:02:16,930 --> 01:02:17,830
So, and
1601
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:20,645
Pat: so, and I've, I've heard
similar sentiments to that.
1602
01:02:20,655 --> 01:02:21,915
I thought I would love Paris.
1603
01:02:22,165 --> 01:02:24,535
I thought there, you know, that,
that would be a city that I
1604
01:02:24,535 --> 01:02:25,625
would really gravitate towards.
1605
01:02:25,645 --> 01:02:28,505
But, uh, getting a lot
of bad reviews on Paris.
1606
01:02:28,525 --> 01:02:29,345
Stef: It's kind of gross.
1607
01:02:29,505 --> 01:02:30,395
Pat: that's what I hear.
1608
01:02:31,015 --> 01:02:31,535
Um.
1609
01:02:31,595 --> 01:02:32,815
Stef: it's not the 1800s.
1610
01:02:32,865 --> 01:02:34,115
it's very metropolitan.
1611
01:02:34,155 --> 01:02:35,515
it's very dirty in a lot of, a
1612
01:02:35,822 --> 01:02:41,682
Pat: um, they, you know, many of
them, they, you know, they learn
1613
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:46,510
Stef: Um, occasionally, many of them,
they, you know, they learn English
1614
01:02:46,510 --> 01:02:47,840
as part of their academic career.
1615
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:52,240
So by the time they're adults, they,
they are fairly fluent And there is a
1616
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:57,055
little bit of derision for people whose
French is not up to their, there's a
1617
01:02:57,055 --> 01:02:58,960
little like, please don't speak my I,
1618
01:02:59,055 --> 01:02:59,635
Pat: Don't even attempt.
1619
01:03:01,130 --> 01:03:02,460
Stef: um, I like.
1620
01:03:03,055 --> 01:03:05,695
Pat: Just the fact that they could
speak English to me, that would be very
1621
01:03:05,826 --> 01:03:06,476
Stef: be really helpful.
1622
01:03:06,476 --> 01:03:06,692
Yes.
1623
01:03:06,692 --> 01:03:12,172
in Europe, most of the cities, it's, it's
fairly easy to find people who speak Or
1624
01:03:12,562 --> 01:03:18,502
to, to learn just enough, of the language
to be able to order the food you want.
1625
01:03:18,672 --> 01:03:19,282
that's enough.
1626
01:03:19,802 --> 01:03:22,192
I would recommend London over, over Paris
1627
01:03:22,247 --> 01:03:23,407
Pat: Okay, duly noted.
1628
01:03:23,502 --> 01:03:27,242
Stef: especially if you're, English
history is your, because I mean, there
1629
01:03:27,252 --> 01:03:29,982
are areas of, of London that are still
1630
01:03:30,927 --> 01:03:31,147
Pat: not
1631
01:03:31,342 --> 01:03:33,982
Stef: original to when the city
was first formed as a city, but.
1632
01:03:34,542 --> 01:03:39,402
Pre original, like there's Roman ruins
still and stuff there, so, um, if you're
1633
01:03:39,402 --> 01:03:40,462
a history nerd, it's a good place to
1634
01:03:40,467 --> 01:03:41,317
Pat: Oh, big time.
1635
01:03:41,317 --> 01:03:41,747
Yeah.
1636
01:03:42,497 --> 01:03:42,657
Lundin.
1637
01:03:42,677 --> 01:03:45,267
That's how they, that's how it's said
in the book I'm reading right now.
1638
01:03:45,342 --> 01:03:46,342
Stef: Oh, okay, yeah.
1639
01:03:46,447 --> 01:03:50,147
Pat: kind of pre London, but yeah, there
is that aspect of it's like two towns.
1640
01:03:50,147 --> 01:03:54,217
There's like the old Roman part
of the city, then the, the rest
1641
01:03:54,217 --> 01:03:57,257
of, uh, the people in London think
it's all haunted, so they stay
1642
01:03:57,257 --> 01:03:59,427
over on the, on the new side, of
1643
01:03:59,557 --> 01:04:03,792
Stef: Um, there's always been a little
kid part of me with anything European
1644
01:04:03,842 --> 01:04:08,902
thinking that it must have felt so
different than growing up in the United
1645
01:04:08,902 --> 01:04:12,572
States because you're surrounded by
things that have been there for thousands
1646
01:04:12,572 --> 01:04:15,192
of and you just take them for granted.
1647
01:04:15,527 --> 01:04:18,897
Pat: Well, it's, it's really remarkable
to look back at how young our country is.
1648
01:04:19,407 --> 01:04:20,217
not that old.
1649
01:04:21,087 --> 01:04:24,047
Stef: I feel like there's some, there's
value in the fact that's our experience.
1650
01:04:24,047 --> 01:04:25,667
We, we got to form a little bit later.
1651
01:04:25,667 --> 01:04:27,057
We got to be a little more purposeful.
1652
01:04:27,517 --> 01:04:28,147
Pat: absolutely.
1653
01:04:28,147 --> 01:04:31,417
we paved the way for a lot of
countries in, in terms of, forming
1654
01:04:31,512 --> 01:04:34,512
representative democracy and,
establishing a constitutional
1655
01:04:34,512 --> 01:04:35,622
republic and things like that.
1656
01:04:35,632 --> 01:04:38,872
we were able to see all their
mistakes and learn from them.
1657
01:04:39,292 --> 01:04:40,972
there's some great
aspects to that as well.
1658
01:04:41,347 --> 01:04:41,497
Stef: Yeah.
1659
01:04:41,497 --> 01:04:42,207
it's a good place to be.
1660
01:04:42,802 --> 01:04:42,862
Pat: no
1661
01:04:43,787 --> 01:04:48,017
Stef: Okay, on that patriotic
note, um, I've really liked having
1662
01:04:48,017 --> 01:04:49,697
the chance to chat with you.
1663
01:04:50,387 --> 01:04:50,837
it's been fun.
1664
01:04:51,027 --> 01:04:54,217
And I'm really curious to see what your
dad says and if you guys match up on
1665
01:04:54,247 --> 01:04:54,667
Pat: Me too.
1666
01:04:54,667 --> 01:04:57,047
I'm going to be very
disappointed if, uh, if I'm dead
1667
01:04:57,892 --> 01:04:58,507
Stef: thought
1668
01:04:58,507 --> 01:04:59,707
Pat: I know my dad pretty well, but we'll
1669
01:04:59,987 --> 01:05:01,447
Stef: Maybe it'll be
a learning experience.
1670
01:05:01,767 --> 01:05:03,587
give you a chance to get
to know each other better.
1671
01:05:03,626 --> 01:05:06,387
Pat: it will But, uh, this has
been an absolute privilege.
1672
01:05:06,417 --> 01:05:09,177
thank you so much for having
me on my first podcast.
1673
01:05:09,187 --> 01:05:11,057
Uh, I love this library.
1674
01:05:11,057 --> 01:05:13,197
it's a beautiful place
and, and thank you so much.
1675
01:05:13,202 --> 01:05:14,092
Stef: Thank you very much.
1676
01:05:17,285 --> 01:05:18,465
Did you send me something?
1677
01:05:18,755 --> 01:05:20,105
Amanda: I might have, it was a mistake.
1678
01:05:20,315 --> 01:05:20,465
You
1679
01:05:20,677 --> 01:05:22,175
Stef: sent me a thumbs up.
1680
01:05:22,305 --> 01:05:26,825
You're like, yes, I'm favor of
continuing this conversation.
1681
01:05:26,825 --> 01:05:30,535
that's the level of what this has become,
we're also Facebook messaging each
1682
01:05:30,535 --> 01:05:32,355
other simultaneously while doing this.
1683
01:05:32,485 --> 01:05:34,125
it's like next level
friendship right here.
1684
01:05:34,535 --> 01:05:38,085
Um, so I figured since the first.
1685
01:05:38,510 --> 01:05:41,680
Part of us talking was just complete
nonsense from beginning to end and
1686
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,030
I, my apologies again for that to
anyone who, who trudged through it.
1687
01:05:45,030 --> 01:05:48,750
Thank you for staying with us and
for listening to, Pat, who I'm sure
1688
01:05:48,750 --> 01:05:51,220
was, much more logical and concise.
1689
01:05:51,590 --> 01:05:54,340
to change it up here, what we're
going to do is for those of you who
1690
01:05:54,340 --> 01:05:58,210
are not aware, In our catalog, our
library catalog on BiblioCommons,
1691
01:05:58,530 --> 01:06:02,790
um, there's an option to take a look
at everything that has recently been
1692
01:06:02,790 --> 01:06:04,730
released and has come to our shelves.
1693
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:09,750
So if you're interested in finding this,
um, if you go to our main page, there's
1694
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:14,175
an option At the top that says explore
and then when you go to that drop down
1695
01:06:14,175 --> 01:06:18,815
it says new titles and then you can use
The drop downs from there to specifically
1696
01:06:18,815 --> 01:06:22,975
look for adult titles or kids titles
if you want to look for books ebooks
1697
01:06:22,975 --> 01:06:27,555
audiobooks You know, whatever you can
narrow it down but for right now Amanda
1698
01:06:27,555 --> 01:06:32,555
and I are looking at our list of the
most recently sent to the shelves or
1699
01:06:32,555 --> 01:06:35,290
recently ordered adult book titles.
1700
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,650
So we're gonna sort of flip
through a little bit and see
1701
01:06:38,650 --> 01:06:40,520
what, what strikes our fancy.
1702
01:06:41,140 --> 01:06:42,610
So, what are you seeing?
1703
01:06:42,610 --> 01:06:43,090
You've that
1704
01:06:43,570 --> 01:06:43,900
Amanda: I know I
1705
01:06:43,980 --> 01:06:44,790
Stef: seen something.
1706
01:06:44,860 --> 01:06:48,120
Amanda: I found a it's called The
Divorcees by Rowan Beard, I believe.
1707
01:06:48,130 --> 01:06:49,510
Stef: Okay, sounds like fiction.
1708
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:49,970
Amanda: fiction.
1709
01:06:49,970 --> 01:06:51,920
This is fiction and I don't like fiction.
1710
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:52,640
So
1711
01:06:52,670 --> 01:06:55,190
Stef: being disingenuous right from
the start you don't read fiction.
1712
01:06:55,300 --> 01:07:00,900
Amanda: you know me, you know, a novel
set at 1950s Reno Divorce Ranch explores
1713
01:07:00,900 --> 01:07:04,270
the complex friendship between two women
who dare to imagine a different future.
1714
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:09,309
What drew me into that
was the 1950s Reno and
1715
01:07:09,610 --> 01:07:10,130
Stef: Okay.
1716
01:07:10,607 --> 01:07:11,407
a Divorce
1717
01:07:11,452 --> 01:07:13,142
Amanda: And Divorce Ranch is in quotes.
1718
01:07:13,367 --> 01:07:13,877
Stef: What does that
1719
01:07:14,072 --> 01:07:14,542
Amanda: I don't know.
1720
01:07:14,542 --> 01:07:15,792
That's, see, now you're
1721
01:07:15,827 --> 01:07:18,557
Stef: going to have to read the book
to find what a Divorce Ranch is.
1722
01:07:18,567 --> 01:07:22,187
It sounds like something that would
be on a show that you would watch.
1723
01:07:22,617 --> 01:07:25,527
So, in summation, if they turn this into,
1724
01:07:25,597 --> 01:07:29,152
Amanda: would be all over it.
1725
01:07:29,632 --> 01:07:30,002
I see.
1726
01:07:30,082 --> 01:07:31,472
Yeah, there's a lot of
good things on here.
1727
01:07:31,712 --> 01:07:32,307
Stef: I only
1728
01:07:32,392 --> 01:07:33,882
Amanda: I only can read so much, though.
1729
01:07:34,091 --> 01:07:36,747
Stef: mean, that's literally
true of all human beings.
1730
01:07:36,955 --> 01:07:39,862
Amanda: human beings.
1731
01:07:39,862 --> 01:07:40,402
I,
1732
01:07:40,567 --> 01:07:43,677
Stef: this is cheating because I'm
not looking at it from the actual
1733
01:07:43,807 --> 01:07:47,267
list, but the one that I'm reading
right now that also just came out
1734
01:07:47,327 --> 01:07:49,807
is from an author named Philip B.
1735
01:07:49,807 --> 01:07:54,417
Williams that's called, wow, I can't,
Hours, there we go, that's the name of it.
1736
01:07:54,837 --> 01:08:03,467
Um, it is a really fascinating, magical
realism story set in the 1840s, that
1737
01:08:03,717 --> 01:08:08,737
focuses around a woman who is a conjurer
and who frees, a number of slaves
1738
01:08:08,737 --> 01:08:12,807
through magical means and then forms this
community out in the middle of Missouri
1739
01:08:12,807 --> 01:08:17,127
and the Interesting sort of folk tale
things that happen in that community.
1740
01:08:17,177 --> 01:08:17,927
Oh, it's so good.
1741
01:08:18,177 --> 01:08:21,527
it's the first novel i've picked up
in a while and it was largely because
1742
01:08:21,577 --> 01:08:25,362
the name of the author reminded me
of somebody that I knew and then I
1743
01:08:25,362 --> 01:08:28,962
opened the book and realized that it
was somebody I knew that it was one of
1744
01:08:28,962 --> 01:08:30,942
my friends from, from my MFA program.
1745
01:08:30,942 --> 01:08:33,962
So I was really excited about that, which,
you know, good for him because he's a poet
1746
01:08:33,972 --> 01:08:35,812
and he's writing big beautiful novels now.
1747
01:08:35,812 --> 01:08:36,362
So check it out.
1748
01:08:36,362 --> 01:08:38,552
It's really good, but you'll
have to wait until I'm done
1749
01:08:38,602 --> 01:08:39,262
Amanda: Oh, brother.
1750
01:08:39,642 --> 01:08:41,922
I'm trying to, like, I've read
books from the library, the
1751
01:08:41,922 --> 01:08:44,262
news section, recently, and
1752
01:08:44,527 --> 01:08:48,137
Stef: The new section is just so, it
just makes things so much easier because
1753
01:08:48,137 --> 01:08:52,147
there's fewer to look at and it gives
your brain something to center on.
1754
01:08:52,147 --> 01:08:56,857
Oh, I don't even do that anymore.
1755
01:08:57,132 --> 01:08:58,542
Amanda: do I only talk about new books?
1756
01:08:58,609 --> 01:09:01,475
Okay,
1757
01:09:01,750 --> 01:09:02,390
Stef: so I think you're,
1758
01:09:02,555 --> 01:09:05,825
Amanda: okay, so I read
this book last week.
1759
01:09:06,225 --> 01:09:08,275
And it, Sally Field in pieces.
1760
01:09:08,735 --> 01:09:09,225
Stef: Oh, okay.
1761
01:09:09,265 --> 01:09:10,555
Amanda: is so good.
1762
01:09:10,655 --> 01:09:11,885
Stef: that one's not that old, is it?
1763
01:09:11,995 --> 01:09:13,055
Amanda: 2017.
1764
01:09:13,255 --> 01:09:13,795
Stef: Oh, okay.
1765
01:09:13,925 --> 01:09:16,525
Amanda: But it's so good,
really recommend it.
1766
01:09:16,985 --> 01:09:21,095
And then a new book, The House of Hidden
Meanings by RuPaul, that was very good.
1767
01:09:21,145 --> 01:09:21,725
Stef: Okay.
1768
01:09:21,915 --> 01:09:23,555
Somebody really likes celebrity
1769
01:09:23,762 --> 01:09:24,925
Amanda: Somebody really does.
1770
01:09:25,585 --> 01:09:29,035
Um, Oh, this is an older book, but I
really think people should read it.
1771
01:09:29,575 --> 01:09:32,455
It was in order to live a North
Korean girl's journey to freedom.
1772
01:09:32,815 --> 01:09:33,515
It's about it.
1773
01:09:33,515 --> 01:09:34,375
It was so good.
1774
01:09:34,425 --> 01:09:36,035
That is like a life changer for
1775
01:09:36,178 --> 01:09:36,601
Stef: Oh, wow.
1776
01:09:36,601 --> 01:09:36,813
Okay.
1777
01:09:36,813 --> 01:09:37,025
It's
1778
01:09:37,115 --> 01:09:38,025
Amanda: really, really good.
1779
01:09:38,465 --> 01:09:40,465
And then, I mean, there's so
many on here I've read that are
1780
01:09:40,625 --> 01:09:42,125
Stef: Stop using your Goodreads!
1781
01:09:42,315 --> 01:09:45,205
totally, go back where we We're
all, we're all on the same page
1782
01:09:45,385 --> 01:09:45,665
Amanda: Okay.
1783
01:09:45,685 --> 01:09:45,915
On the page.
1784
01:09:46,095 --> 01:09:46,325
No, but
1785
01:09:46,395 --> 01:09:51,355
Stef: Um, I want to know, personally,
what the secrets of the octopus are.
1786
01:09:52,025 --> 01:09:53,335
what are those octopus secrets?
1787
01:09:53,335 --> 01:09:55,995
That's a new book by Cy Montgomery,
that's a non fiction book.
1788
01:09:56,465 --> 01:09:58,315
I, yo, what secrets?
1789
01:09:58,365 --> 01:10:00,695
I didn't know that there
were any secrets, and now I
1790
01:10:00,700 --> 01:10:01,200
Amanda: smart?
1791
01:10:02,110 --> 01:10:02,610
Stef: Are they?
1792
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:03,190
Amanda: I heard they were
1793
01:10:03,310 --> 01:10:07,190
Stef: have this image of them
being kind of, like, grumpy.
1794
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:08,980
Amanda: Can't they escape
from things as well?
1795
01:10:09,940 --> 01:10:10,150
Probably.
1796
01:10:10,900 --> 01:10:12,530
I remember there's someone escaping.
1797
01:10:12,530 --> 01:10:13,840
I'm trying to look at other good books.
1798
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,990
You
1799
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:20,180
Stef: you see a new, um, nonfiction
book about the Tudors, too.
1800
01:10:20,210 --> 01:10:24,060
And we have one, we have one about
Elizabeth I that just, um, hit the
1801
01:10:24,060 --> 01:10:25,340
shelves called Young Elizabeth.
1802
01:10:25,890 --> 01:10:26,740
Um, so that's fun.
1803
01:10:26,740 --> 01:10:28,350
I'm only finding nonfiction books.
1804
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:29,360
So, I guess.
1805
01:10:29,765 --> 01:10:31,735
I hope you are interested in non fiction.
1806
01:10:32,275 --> 01:10:32,855
That's my, that's my
1807
01:10:33,191 --> 01:10:41,795
Amanda: Yes, specifically
celebrity memoirs.
1808
01:10:42,386 --> 01:10:42,765
Stef: of
1809
01:10:43,035 --> 01:10:44,425
Amanda: No, there are like a lot
of good books I want to read.
1810
01:10:44,455 --> 01:10:45,405
That's the problem, okay?
1811
01:10:45,405 --> 01:10:53,090
I feel like, Between TV and then books,
it's like always like a competition.
1812
01:10:53,180 --> 01:10:55,510
Because I have to keep up with my
TV, but I also have to do this.
1813
01:10:55,820 --> 01:10:56,380
And I also have to
1814
01:10:56,455 --> 01:10:57,955
Stef: Who is making you do this?
1815
01:10:57,995 --> 01:11:00,115
Like, who is, who are you, like,
1816
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:01,350
Amanda: Kate Middleton, course!
1817
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:01,610
Just kidding.
1818
01:11:01,740 --> 01:11:04,100
Stef: don't talk about anything
in her personal she keeps you
1819
01:11:04,100 --> 01:11:07,360
on with your reality Good on
1820
01:11:07,665 --> 01:11:10,085
Amanda: I know, I just feel like
it's just to keep up with stuff.
1821
01:11:10,265 --> 01:11:10,775
That's fair.
1822
01:11:10,905 --> 01:11:11,915
I'm trying to like you, but I
1823
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:12,480
Stef: Gotta be in the zeitgeist.
1824
01:11:13,435 --> 01:11:17,035
Amanda: I also just like going to the
shelves and picking things like fun too.
1825
01:11:17,373 --> 01:11:19,620
Stef: appreciate about this the
fact that you can actually see the
1826
01:11:19,620 --> 01:11:23,460
book covers because that is the one
downside to just perusing the shelves.
1827
01:11:23,610 --> 01:11:26,650
I feel like I'm like, a little
bit spoiled at this point.
1828
01:11:26,650 --> 01:11:30,320
So when I walk over to those shelves,
I'm like, all I see is book spines.
1829
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:31,750
isn't enough for me.
1830
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:32,650
I need a cover.
1831
01:11:32,750 --> 01:11:36,693
Amanda: I'm reading from the
new section here, Slow Noodles.
1832
01:11:36,693 --> 01:11:41,073
it's about girl from
Cambodia who was there during
1833
01:11:41,323 --> 01:11:42,293
Stef: who was there during
1834
01:11:42,313 --> 01:11:45,543
Amanda: the Cultural Revolution,
like the extermination of the people
1835
01:11:45,543 --> 01:11:47,473
who were considered, educated.
1836
01:11:47,913 --> 01:11:51,973
And it's about her life,
um, through kind of recipes.
1837
01:11:52,843 --> 01:11:53,013
interesting.
1838
01:11:53,013 --> 01:11:53,563
It's really good.
1839
01:11:53,943 --> 01:11:56,113
I hate to even say what it's about.
1840
01:11:56,113 --> 01:11:59,553
I'm only maybe like 45
pages in, but very good.
1841
01:12:00,253 --> 01:12:01,695
Stef: very good.
1842
01:12:01,695 --> 01:12:02,415
Yeah,
1843
01:12:02,723 --> 01:12:03,533
Amanda: Yeah, they have been.
1844
01:12:03,857 --> 01:12:04,578
Stef: been.
1845
01:12:04,578 --> 01:12:05,299
Yeah,
1846
01:12:05,403 --> 01:12:09,563
Amanda: yeah, like the sweet and
sour mango thing sounded good.
1847
01:12:09,624 --> 01:12:11,787
Stef: thing sounded good.
1848
01:12:11,787 --> 01:12:12,508
So
1849
01:12:12,543 --> 01:12:16,623
Amanda: guess you'd say I also like,
um, things about Asian Americans too.
1850
01:12:16,843 --> 01:12:19,613
Like that one about North
Korea, and that kind of stuff
1851
01:12:19,903 --> 01:12:20,943
Stef: Those two books do point in
1852
01:12:21,013 --> 01:12:21,373
Amanda: that out.
1853
01:12:21,373 --> 01:12:21,553
Yeah.
1854
01:12:22,223 --> 01:12:23,233
I always do read that.
1855
01:12:23,383 --> 01:12:24,843
Stef: Yeah, you, you like things about
1856
01:12:24,913 --> 01:12:26,993
Amanda: like things about people.
1857
01:12:27,093 --> 01:12:29,183
And usually females,
too, when you think about
1858
01:12:29,423 --> 01:12:29,563
Stef: makes
1859
01:12:29,893 --> 01:12:30,363
Amanda: Yeah.
1860
01:12:31,473 --> 01:12:34,373
Stef: it makes you feel a
part of that experience,
1861
01:12:34,573 --> 01:12:36,433
Amanda: I don't want to be part
of some experiences, though.
1862
01:12:36,823 --> 01:12:39,103
Stef: Or maybe, maybe makes you more
grateful for your own experience?
1863
01:12:39,133 --> 01:12:41,423
Amanda: And that is horrible to
say, because I feel like that
1864
01:12:41,423 --> 01:12:42,923
makes me kind of a bad person.
1865
01:12:43,058 --> 01:12:43,290
Stef: person.
1866
01:12:43,290 --> 01:12:43,523
Why?
1867
01:12:43,943 --> 01:12:47,473
Amanda: I don't know, like, I'm so
grateful I'm not them, but I think
1868
01:12:47,473 --> 01:12:49,223
it makes me appreciate my life Right.
1869
01:12:49,643 --> 01:12:50,781
I would take the positive.
1870
01:12:50,781 --> 01:12:53,853
Yeah, like when I like, I'm like,
uh, these people are grateful
1871
01:12:53,853 --> 01:12:55,033
for like half a bowl of rice.
1872
01:12:55,063 --> 01:12:57,763
I should get my stuff in gear and be a
little more grateful for what I have.
1873
01:12:57,817 --> 01:12:59,656
Stef: Yeah, it is
1874
01:12:59,923 --> 01:13:00,823
Amanda: it is context.
1875
01:13:00,823 --> 01:13:02,253
But no, there's a lot
of good books out there.
1876
01:13:02,253 --> 01:13:03,533
People need to go to the library.
1877
01:13:03,963 --> 01:13:05,113
Why are people, why
1878
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:09,373
Stef: are people I'm just
1879
01:13:09,453 --> 01:13:09,503
Amanda: joking.
1880
01:13:10,323 --> 01:13:11,403
I was like, me personally.
1881
01:13:11,473 --> 01:13:11,993
Stef: This counts.
1882
01:13:12,003 --> 01:13:14,823
No, I don't, I mean, you're
literally three feet away from me.
1883
01:13:14,823 --> 01:13:15,453
I know where you are.
1884
01:13:15,483 --> 01:13:17,333
I'm talking about people we're talking to.
1885
01:13:17,733 --> 01:13:19,113
Um, can we talk about books more though?
1886
01:13:19,133 --> 01:13:19,633
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1887
01:13:19,633 --> 01:13:20,023
Okay.
1888
01:13:20,413 --> 01:13:23,143
one of the new novels that we
have that just came out this month
1889
01:13:23,153 --> 01:13:24,523
is called Can't We Be Friends?
1890
01:13:24,553 --> 01:13:28,033
And it's a novel, about
Ella Fitzgerald and Monroe.
1891
01:13:28,073 --> 01:13:28,863
Amanda: Really?
1892
01:13:28,873 --> 01:13:29,333
Yes.
1893
01:13:29,423 --> 01:13:32,533
Stef: So it is historical
fiction, but it contains the
1894
01:13:32,533 --> 01:13:33,683
stories of both of those women,
1895
01:13:34,058 --> 01:13:34,498
Amanda: okay.
1896
01:13:34,548 --> 01:13:39,148
It's just, see, I get nervous
with historical fiction, so good.
1897
01:13:39,148 --> 01:13:49,688
I'm glad you get nervous too, cause
I get, it makes me nervous that I'll
1898
01:13:49,798 --> 01:13:51,458
think of that story really happen.
1899
01:13:51,729 --> 01:13:52,075
Stef: if
1900
01:13:52,418 --> 01:13:55,908
Amanda: And if, if it didn't really
happen, like, I feel like it's kind of
1901
01:13:56,548 --> 01:14:01,778
like someone writing a fake biography
and it makes me really nervous.
1902
01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:05,383
Stef: easy to integrate it into what
you know, know about the person.
1903
01:14:05,883 --> 01:14:09,843
Um, there was an, there was another, I
mean, a lot of people have probably heard
1904
01:14:09,843 --> 01:14:13,903
of this, but there was the, uh, really
long novel that Joyce Carol Oates wrote
1905
01:14:13,903 --> 01:14:16,213
about, Marilyn Monroe, Blonde, um, Yes.
1906
01:14:16,243 --> 01:14:16,823
Which read.
1907
01:14:17,138 --> 01:14:19,768
Probably half of because
it was like 200 pages.
1908
01:14:19,768 --> 01:14:19,788
It
1909
01:14:19,803 --> 01:14:20,833
Amanda: was very long.
1910
01:14:21,168 --> 01:14:24,568
Stef: but I mean that talks
about her relationship with
1911
01:14:24,583 --> 01:14:25,512
Amanda: Charlie Chaplin's son
1912
01:14:25,688 --> 01:14:29,368
Stef: a couple of actors from
the time like Charlie Chaplin's
1913
01:14:29,368 --> 01:14:30,658
son and then like another
1914
01:14:30,778 --> 01:14:33,788
Hollywood person, but I'm like did
she actually know these people just
1915
01:14:33,788 --> 01:14:35,428
something that Joyce Carol Oates
1916
01:14:35,648 --> 01:14:37,418
Amanda: See, that makes me
nervous, you, And I've read a lot
1917
01:14:37,418 --> 01:14:39,068
of books on Marilyn Monroe too.
1918
01:14:39,308 --> 01:14:41,238
Cause I think she's a
fascinating character
1919
01:14:41,683 --> 01:14:44,073
Stef: I mean, she's a, yeah, she was an
1920
01:14:44,398 --> 01:14:45,128
Amanda: Yeah, no, but
1921
01:14:45,173 --> 01:14:45,613
Stef: but yeah,
1922
01:14:45,808 --> 01:14:49,098
Amanda: she's so, I just, and
she's still popular this day.
1923
01:14:49,470 --> 01:14:52,310
Stef: There aren't a whole lot of
actors from that era that have,
1924
01:14:52,413 --> 01:14:56,293
although they've got that Cary Grant
miniseries came out with Jason Isaacs.
1925
01:14:56,488 --> 01:14:57,118
Amanda: So here's the thing.
1926
01:14:57,178 --> 01:14:59,028
Is it only available on that?
1927
01:14:59,188 --> 01:14:59,638
Is it?
1928
01:15:00,323 --> 01:15:02,293
Stef: I think it's one of
those streaming miniseries
1929
01:15:02,323 --> 01:15:05,733
Amanda: Because the last thing I knew was
only available on this, like, Britbox,
1930
01:15:05,773 --> 01:15:07,673
which is like a UK streaming service.
1931
01:15:07,703 --> 01:15:09,623
I was gonna get Britbox just for that.
1932
01:15:10,128 --> 01:15:11,928
Stef: I mean, you could
always just briefly get it.
1933
01:15:11,948 --> 01:15:13,958
you're not getting married to Brett Box.
1934
01:15:14,203 --> 01:15:15,453
Amanda: Do you know what his real name is?
1935
01:15:16,008 --> 01:15:17,068
Stef: it one time, but I have
1936
01:15:17,103 --> 01:15:17,903
Amanda: Archibald Leach.
1937
01:15:18,513 --> 01:15:23,073
Very similar to my maiden name, Leach,
but I'm the Scottish version, L E I T C H,
1938
01:15:23,083 --> 01:15:24,883
and he's the English version, L E A C H.
1939
01:15:25,139 --> 01:15:27,038
There we go.
1940
01:15:27,708 --> 01:15:28,248
Stef: we go.
1941
01:15:28,358 --> 01:15:31,228
If you ever wonder to yourself, What is it
1942
01:15:31,468 --> 01:15:32,101
Amanda: is
1943
01:15:32,508 --> 01:15:34,158
Stef: has in common with Cary Grant?
1944
01:15:34,398 --> 01:15:34,978
Now know.
1945
01:15:39,308 --> 01:15:40,208
Also a person.
1946
01:15:40,636 --> 01:15:42,558
Amanda: person.
1947
01:15:42,608 --> 01:15:46,788
Stef: I'm very disappointed
that our, the latest Simone St.
1948
01:15:46,788 --> 01:15:50,318
James novel, Murder Road, has been checked
out before I could get my hands on it.
1949
01:15:50,528 --> 01:15:54,118
Um, I'm looking forward to
being underwhelmed by that book
1950
01:15:54,298 --> 01:15:54,648
Amanda: book?
1951
01:15:54,958 --> 01:15:58,228
Stef: um, the, the
author's name is Simone St.
1952
01:15:58,268 --> 01:16:02,538
James and she does this, all of her
books are this sort of beautiful
1953
01:16:03,732 --> 01:16:04,002
of
1954
01:16:04,052 --> 01:16:04,912
Amanda: horror and
1955
01:16:05,067 --> 01:16:06,007
Stef: mysteries.
1956
01:16:06,257 --> 01:16:08,617
she does a lot of supernatural
mystery type stuff.
1957
01:16:09,307 --> 01:16:12,607
Um, my favorite of hers, is something
I'm not gonna be able to come up with.
1958
01:16:12,617 --> 01:16:13,467
Something about a hotel.
1959
01:16:13,802 --> 01:16:14,172
Amanda: Ooh.
1960
01:16:14,407 --> 01:16:17,797
Stef: I really love that one book
and have been sort of like vaguely
1961
01:16:17,797 --> 01:16:18,997
enjoying other stuff she's written.
1962
01:16:18,997 --> 01:16:22,607
But she has one that just came out
and it's got a bunch of holds on it.
1963
01:16:22,607 --> 01:16:23,027
So I'll probably
1964
01:16:23,048 --> 01:16:24,605
Amanda: it, there's so
many good books out there.
1965
01:16:25,215 --> 01:16:26,495
They're coming out left and right!
1966
01:16:26,595 --> 01:16:29,705
Stef: Yeah, there's just, there's
not enough time in the world
1967
01:16:29,745 --> 01:16:31,465
Amanda: I do, when I go on my walks, I
1968
01:16:31,575 --> 01:16:32,695
Stef: and Tana French, too.
1969
01:16:32,925 --> 01:16:35,845
She's a big mystery writer who
just has a new one that came out.
1970
01:16:36,145 --> 01:16:37,325
hers are funky.
1971
01:16:37,326 --> 01:16:42,785
Like, mistaken identities, and like,
they're, like, it turns out that there's
1972
01:16:42,795 --> 01:16:47,345
some personal meaning to each, cause all
of her books, The, detective changes for
1973
01:16:47,345 --> 01:16:51,125
each one, and then it turns mystery has
some significance to, like, there's one
1974
01:16:51,125 --> 01:16:55,255
called the likeness, where it turns out
that the detective is, like, pretty much
1975
01:16:55,255 --> 01:17:01,375
the doppelganger of the woman who actually
was killed, she, like, goes back and
1976
01:17:01,375 --> 01:17:06,845
pretends to her, to see, like, if anybody,
it's a very glass onion kind of situation.
1977
01:17:07,115 --> 01:17:09,805
Um, sorry if I spoiled the
glass onion for anybody.
1978
01:17:10,085 --> 01:17:12,950
Um, But yeah, it's enjoyable.
1979
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:14,740
Amanda: is like a dangerous conversation.
1980
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:15,060
Stef: How
1981
01:17:15,330 --> 01:17:17,470
Amanda: Because it's like, there's
so many books I want to read now.
1982
01:17:17,700 --> 01:17:20,980
Stef: Of all the dangers that you could
be encountering in this world, having more
1983
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:21,470
Amanda: true.
1984
01:17:21,610 --> 01:17:24,400
I know, it's just, there's
so many good books out there.
1985
01:17:24,810 --> 01:17:25,870
And I love reading.
1986
01:17:26,410 --> 01:17:28,130
Stef: Who are you talking right now?
1987
01:17:28,230 --> 01:17:29,510
Who is listening to this right now?
1988
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:34,940
Like, I'm hoping that the majority of them
are people who generally enjoy reading.
1989
01:17:34,940 --> 01:17:35,730
It's okay if you don't.
1990
01:17:35,740 --> 01:17:36,400
No judgment there.
1991
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,510
But seriously, I feel like
you're not at any risk at this
1992
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:41,736
So, we should probably finish
1993
01:17:41,820 --> 01:17:42,140
Amanda: Okay.
1994
01:17:42,610 --> 01:17:42,940
Okay.
1995
01:17:43,050 --> 01:17:45,960
Well, all I've got to say
is that I love the library.
1996
01:17:46,169 --> 01:17:46,516
Stef: library.
1997
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,070
Amanda: been using the
libraries for, since I was,
1998
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:52,825
uh, I look at books like candy.
1999
01:17:53,072 --> 01:17:54,592
just delicious and wonderful and
2000
01:17:54,969 --> 01:17:55,839
Stef: you vacationing?
2001
01:17:56,209 --> 01:17:56,669
Total left
2002
01:17:56,849 --> 01:17:58,129
Amanda: New York City!
2003
01:17:58,609 --> 01:18:00,169
We're staying in Brooklyn!
2004
01:18:00,543 --> 01:18:01,954
Stef: not been there before?
2005
01:18:01,954 --> 01:18:02,307
I've
2006
01:18:02,379 --> 01:18:03,149
Amanda: never been there.
2007
01:18:03,619 --> 01:18:04,989
I want to see the Brooklyn Bridge.
2008
01:18:05,389 --> 01:18:06,959
And I want to go to a
bunch of cool restaurants.
2009
01:18:07,245 --> 01:18:12,731
Stef: to go to a bunch snobby,
This is my favorite, obscure,
2010
01:18:13,461 --> 01:18:15,711
southern African restaurant
2011
01:18:15,876 --> 01:18:17,876
Amanda: we're going plant based places.
2012
01:18:18,861 --> 01:18:20,761
Stef: That, that should,
that should get going right
2013
01:18:20,946 --> 01:18:25,456
Amanda: And like, So my husband and son
will go, okay, people I know you didn't
2014
01:18:25,456 --> 01:18:27,816
know this, there's three meals in a day.
2015
01:18:28,486 --> 01:18:34,366
So, um, I know, so one of those meals is
going to be plant based, so they're gonna,
2016
01:18:34,461 --> 01:18:34,901
Stef: that's not
2017
01:18:35,126 --> 01:18:37,016
Amanda: I'm gonna haul
them to like, a place,
2018
01:18:37,481 --> 01:18:39,061
Stef: if you, if you find really good
2019
01:18:39,476 --> 01:18:40,056
Amanda: I know,
2020
01:18:40,291 --> 01:18:43,011
Stef: places, they can
disguise it so stealthily
2021
01:18:43,056 --> 01:18:45,566
Amanda: stalking these places,
like I know the menus, the
2022
01:18:45,566 --> 01:18:50,276
prices, I'm so excited, yay,
2023
01:18:50,571 --> 01:18:50,851
Stef: back.
2024
01:18:51,111 --> 01:18:54,201
Okay, thank you so much
for letting not kidnap you.
2025
01:18:54,471 --> 01:18:57,911
Amanda: I'm just glad that, um, I
had this time to come talk about
2026
01:18:58,031 --> 01:19:00,711
books and everything else we
2027
01:19:00,981 --> 01:19:03,181
Stef: Tell, yeah, tell
hello Alright, take care.
2028
01:19:03,181 --> 01:19:03,601
Have a good trip.