FIVEAA Breakfast with David & Will - 29 October 2025

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Speaker 1: David Penberthy and World Goodings five double A Breakfast.
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Speaker 2: Heye, but it's after six. Good morning to you and welcome to Wednesday on five double A Breakfast. It's actually a bit fresh out there this morning. It's there's been some balming sorts of mornings recently, but right now outside in Adelaide, it actually feels a little bit cool. Eight point four degrees feels like six point six according to the now much milind Bureau website four point one million dollars. Even Murray, what is upset? He's described the bureau website as a natural disaster coming now. Of course, no, he doesn't do it about anything coming up on the program this morning. This was good news that came out in Parliament yesterday. Luigi Glegora will stay in jail, no cushy home detention after he nearly killed Advertiser journalist A Ben Hyde, who will be joining us after six thirty. We're going to be chatting with a commercial fisherman from Cape Klamari about the commercial fishing band. I can't imagine what that must be like to have your entirety rule or your entire will being effectively ruled illegal. Nathan Eats will join us then before seven o'clock. Speaking of good news and something of a backflip, the whole Fast Bay Council have decided that the Grundy Shoes general manager Tom Whittenbrey that joined us the other day got a parking ticket whilst he was talking with the council about you know, you can't get any your business because there's no parking. They've decided to perform it about face on that one, so we'll chat with him. Then after seven we'll be chatting with the Minister of Local Government and Community Development in the Jamaican government. This is something we've never done before. The Honorable Desmond Mackenzie will be on the program. Unfortunately it won't be to exchange pleasantries right now. Hurricane Melissa has hit Jamaica. It is the strongest storm to ever have hit the island. So we crossing there after seven o'clock. David Penworthy, good morning to you. Good mornings is good morning Will.
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Speaker 3: That was already funny Jake at the start there Will about Murray what declaring the website and natural disaster. I realized as you said it that I must still be slightly asleep.
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Speaker 2: Did you think you maybe actually had.
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Speaker 3: Because well, yeah, I thought you were being too dead panned by half, and it took me a while to register, and I hang on.
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Speaker 2: That's a joke, But wake up, wake up. Murray's upset. He's outraged, a bit like the bloom itself.
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Speaker 3: He's a he's a slow moving creature, that isn't he He's he's late to the upset and his party. He is. We got there in the end, Yes, took him, took him more time than it should have. Yet again, I just want to know how the hell can they justify spending so much money on it? But he's a staggering amount of money. Four million dollars, four million dollars for a less functional, less attractive website. That must be what happens when you bring up a design company and say, hi, calling from the federal government, wondering if we can get some quotes on some work.
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Speaker 2: Don't you reckon? Is this the sort of.
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Speaker 3: Web design to quick of a plastic safety chair brought under the ndis seems to be that way that suddenly costs.
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Speaker 2: Nine hundred dollars instead of nineteen dollars. My instant reaction to that figure was, it's has it been folded into this this massive overhaul that the Bureau are going through at the moment, where they've spent eight hundred and sixty six million dollars. And when you're spending sums of money that large, it's like a receipt when you go out with sixteen family members to dinner, like you're going through every schnitzel. I didn't have the entree. Yeah, that's right. I think what was the website cost? It's in there.
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Speaker 3: I only add two beers. Uncle Brian had four.
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Speaker 2: That's I reckon. That's the and this is the Uncle Brian eight hundred and sixty six million dollars seven year technology transformation that the Bureau is undergoing. I hope the other one hundred and sixty one point nine million dollars of that is being spent better than the four point one million was spent on the website. Would know how there? Would you find out? We'll find out when if they can't predict the weather.
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Speaker 3: It's like finding out how much people have been given as payouts to not create a hydrogen industry and seuth Australia.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you love that job? Wouldn't you love not to have that job? Between eight hundred and thirty one and eight hundred and fifty one thousand dollars. And it's not the big boss. No, it's not the CEO. It's not Sam Kraft, who was the chief executive of the department. Someone else. There must be others. There would have to be feels like a rich scene for the opposition. This, yeah, they should just FOI the fo it's enthusiastic. This is where that explained. That's this is where that gets. We know where that sentence was ending. That enthusiast, that that explanation, that gument like, well we moved all that to save whaler. It didn't move all of it. Something we've got moved to people who've got payouts. But how good to get a job?
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Speaker 3: It only lasts a little while and then you can turn around and say, well, yeah, I had a three year co direcked and I reckon. Should that person almost be embarrassed? Well, they would have gone straight into some other job. You would think, well, I don't know, maybe maybe they may not a huge demand for hydrogen expertise at the moment.
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Speaker 2: His name in The Simpsons Professor Frink.
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Speaker 3: Of course, the real people will be glad to quickly the guy who's at the forefront of not creating a hydrogen industry in Australia because it hasn't happened.
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Speaker 2: Anywhere the private sector. They've all been canned and the mining giants were kind of intrigued for a while, and then devil walked away from it. At the moment, yeah, I'm not sure it's a it's a fertile industry for employment opportunity at the moment.
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Speaker 3: Drill Baby Drill, as a great man once said, how I'm really sad about this, the death of Prunella Scale's Sybil from Faulty Towers. I'm sure we'll be chatting more about that later, but I got such fond memories of her. I can't believe she was ninety three. But Sybil is no longer with us.
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Speaker 4: Everybody wants you, don't they.
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Speaker 3: Any single one tys.
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Speaker 5: Can be arranged.
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Speaker 6: See.
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Speaker 3: The thing about her is she's up against one of the all time great characters in the history of television.
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Speaker 2: But she totally held her own, went toe to toe.
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Speaker 3: Like there's a line she has in one of the sketches. I think it's where he's to the episode with the bucks of Australian woman in the yellow top who could forget her beautiful blonde and blonde bobbed hair. Remember as a teenage lad thinking, oh, this has got the episode. But the episode where Basil's trying to fix her room and he accidentally molests her with his hands and he's got paint on his hands, and Sybil slaps him and says that to it, I'm leaving me.
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Speaker 7: There's that.
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Speaker 3: There's that amazing little soliloquy she gives where she's she calls him a miserable, brilliant team stick in sect and it's and she sort of out Basil's Basil with her abuse. Such a great actress.
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Speaker 2: Well inspired by Pranella Scares. We're asking you this morning to tell us the best second fiddles of all time. The people that work the main character top they worked the number one, but they were the best part of a supporting cast. Oh, they were the best character though they're best. This works in sport too. Actually, it's a couple of politics and politics. Hey, here's one for the Trump fans. Mike Pence, Mike Pence, my fence. I'm not sure the market people agreed, Wallace. Catch a movie this week Mitch and Piccadilly Matt Barking all Longer for sessions is a Wallace dot com dot are you the best second bananas? From the world of entertainment TV music works, there are bands like this sometimes problematic about who the second banana is, Like with Leonard Skinner.
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Speaker 3: Could it be an actor or an actress in a movie who was not the lead but stole the show?
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Speaker 2: Yes, totally yeah, eight double two three double o double or the police samecare text line, get him coming in and you can win yourself that Wallace Sinner's Past.
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Speaker 1: David Penberthy and Will Goodings five Double a Breakfast nine and after six.
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Speaker 2: We are getting some terrific suggestions through this morning of the best second fiddles of all time, inspired by civil faulty, the passing of Prunella Scales. Maddie in Monopara has called in Morning Your Maddie.
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Speaker 8: Morning Fellas. Before I say that, I just went to James BoNT last night. Thank you for the tickets.
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Speaker 2: That was good fun wries mate. Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Also B two for bananas and pajamas.
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Speaker 5: He is by definition second banana.
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Speaker 2: He is the ultimate second banana. He's literally the second banana. Maddie thank you. That's excellent. Phil and Henley Beach. Good morning lads.
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Speaker 9: I like my best second film persons, Bert Newton.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well with Don Lane. A lot of love for Bert on the text line Phil.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, he was great. He was really great.
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Speaker 2: Few people have said that he often stole the show himself. Well that's that's that's a good second fiddle, isn't it. Yeah, someone that can sometimes be the main person but knows that they're not.
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Speaker 3: We've had we've had quite a few nice texts from listeners who won the James Blunt tickets. Well from Goodwood says, guys, I just want to say a big thank you to five double A. We won the tickets and we went and saw him last night. I didn't know who the guy even was before I went, but I had such an amazing night with my daughter and I even bought some metch Oh that's awesome, James.
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Speaker 2: Good stuff. If you were If you did get along, as we have way a whole stack of those tickets, let us know how it went, if you enjoy it. Hopefully you did enjoy yourself. Let's go to Para Hills. Mark, good morning God, how are you good? Thanks? Mark?
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Speaker 8: Starting talk to you a bit.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 8: What about Dickeye from Surday? I reckon he was a pretty good second fiddle, Dicky.
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Speaker 2: No one's really been able to recreate the puppet during a live show comedy spit, have they?
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Speaker 11: No?
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Speaker 3: I was thinking the other good second fiddle or the funny man in the golden era of the Footy Show, Trevor Marmalade.
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Speaker 2: Trevor Marmalade, someone's standing on the side doing a bit of his joke. Terrific?
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Speaker 3: Did he get?
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Speaker 2: Was he canceled in the end or did they just decide to go in a different direction.
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Speaker 3: I think they just restoled him. Okay, I don't think.
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Speaker 2: He was canceled. There was no nothing particularly show was sort of canceled. Really wasn't if anything was built to be canceled. It was the original version of the Footy Show Scott and Westlake's.
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Speaker 12: Good Morning Jere Morning guys, had to be, wasn't it?
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Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, and there's a few second field on anyone? Was that what I was gonna ask is was Darryl technically the lead fiddle? I mean he was the host, He was the start of the Red Simon's second field was the second fiddle yeah, yeah, Jerry and Warridale, good.
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Speaker 7: Morning, Oh, good morning guys. My favorite second fiddle and just about anything would have to be Alan Richmond. I mean, he's just marvelous. We have here, there's a case of convenient timing.
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Speaker 2: He's so good.
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Speaker 7: Can't you remember if he was King John or the Sheriff of not In in robin Hood with Kevin Costner.
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Speaker 2: Which is a Sheriff of Nilliam, wasn't he?
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Speaker 13: Yeah?
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Speaker 7: And he had the two best lines. One of them was canceled Christmas and I'm going to cut his heart out with a spoon.
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Speaker 3: And he was also hanns Groover and Diehard Hans Gruber.
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Speaker 7: Yet he's the one inconvenient timing.
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Speaker 1: He was.
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Speaker 4: He was always the.
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Speaker 7: Best second man, best voice, he was.
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Speaker 3: Just wonder I'm not a common thief, faming exceptional thief.
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Speaker 2: That is superb. Jerry, thank you, Joyce. Let's go to parallel. Daniel, good morning, good morning.
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Speaker 14: I've got so from the music industry.
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Speaker 12: I've got Richie, Sambora and Flash.
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Speaker 14: But I'm not feeding that last call.
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Speaker 11: But Strop in the Hogan Show, Oh.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, yeah, that's the ques essential Australian half second fiddle. How funny you have dropped John Cornell, Daniel superb, keep them coming through? What we want to do with this? Looking like he did as drop Mary Delvin Delaney. There you go? What about that? Sometimes it doesn't matter what you you know what you've got genetically he did have incredibly a stupid ringo star.
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Speaker 3: He was the owner of the Beach Hotel on the absolute ocean front in Byron Bay. That would probably be the most expensive hotel in Australia. You would have to think, all.
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Speaker 2: Right, let's go to Salisbury's Dave, good morning, good morning, how are we good? Thanks Dave.
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Speaker 14: I know some people didn't particularly like the show, but I reckon it had to be Kramer from Seinfeld.
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Speaker 2: Who didn't like Seinfeld.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Kramer, Kramer, I reckon he was absolutely the star of the show.
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Speaker 2: Well, the brand of that the ensemble of that show is great. Like at any given moment, Cramer is great, Jason Alexander is incredible. Is the point in that show, Elaine? What a what a great ensemble?
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Speaker 3: I read this last week about the Young Ones and he said that in hindsight, he didn't think the character of Mic really worked, And I think that's true, like Mike is the sort of yeah, with his always with his golf clubs and his argoyle knit vests and some on.
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Speaker 2: It didn't really fit the proground, which kind of I kind of like the absurdity of it. You had this one. Yeah, I didn't mind. You had these absolutely crazy characters in this one. Sort of why was he even there? I know, which sort of fits the sharehouse vibe, that's right, I sort of I didn't.
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Speaker 3: But there was no great there's no great lines from my no scenes involving mic that you remember, unlike Seinfeld where everyone, yeah that's true plays a role.
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Speaker 2: Vinnie and Grange, good.
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Speaker 15: Morning, Morning fellows, and we was on the old.
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Speaker 10: David Early Show.
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Speaker 2: Yeah it was he.
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Speaker 3: She's got a room full of leggies to prove your point of Vinnie, exactly right.
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Speaker 2: Good on your Vinnie. Let's have a look at the weather forecast for today and the rest of this week. As I mentioned earlier, eight point six degrees outside in the city at the moment, heading for a top to of twenty two Tomorrow twenty six, with a shower or two developing zero to three millimeters of rain forecast by the Bureau. Then Friday, a possible early storm in twenty three Saturday Sunny twenty eight. How about that Sunday twenty six show two zero to four mills. Monday will potentially be the wet day. We might get up to fifteen millimeters on Monday and the top of nineteen as it drops back from that warm weekend, and then Tuesday possible shower and nineteen, albeit not anywhere near as much as we're likely to get on Monday if we do get a decent smatter egg of rain. Tom Rens in the five double A Breakfast Studio colours, custom design, anyhouse, any style, Gliterol garage, doors, gliterol dot com dot A Your Morning.
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Speaker 4: Ready, Morning, will Morning, David.
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Speaker 16: Well, this game that the Matildas are playing this morning we sort of build as their revenge game against England. Remember they played them last in the twenty twenty three semi final, that amazing game when Sam cur scored that incredible goal. She's playing this morning, but unfortunately they're playing in Derby, which is obviously on foreign soil. Unfortunately a horrible start with Alana Kennedy making an absolute boober at the back.
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Speaker 17: Well, that's a Paul giveaway at the top of the eighteen year I've got Alana Kennedy in travel. Here the referee goes to her pocket. What color is it going to be? I think there's only one answer to that question. She's showing the red giving her marching orders.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely right call if you do well. She pulled down there.
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Speaker 16: It was the last player on goal. Just made the mistake and compounded the issue. So she gave it away and then yeah, you away the red guard. Yeah, well, that's a bad couple of moments if you.
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Speaker 4: Make a mistake exactly.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 16: And the thing is, you can play with ten players in a game. Watched a lot and played a little bit. You can play with ten players for probably twenty or thirty minutes. When it's done in the first fifteen minutes.
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Speaker 2: Good luck, good luck.
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Speaker 16: So as a result, this then happened about five minutes or two minutes later, he.
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Speaker 17: Gibiva Jones to take into the wall. Might get a second chance at makes no mistake.
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Speaker 4: It's a wonderful.
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Speaker 17: Finish by Aggie Beaver Jones. She's looked likely, she looked the most likely. She got a second bite at the cherry. I firmly planted that one into the back of the net.
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Speaker 4: So audio there thanks to paramount two at halftime.
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Speaker 16: Look that happens in the world game. It's not a match for competition, if you like. But nonetheless disappointed because who are they playing? England, Australia, England, So.
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Speaker 2: Hence your reference to the great Sam Cub You remember that one was we lost that game?
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Speaker 4: We lost the game?
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Speaker 16: Yeah, but was it three one? I think, yeah, but it was I think that brought it to one all.
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Speaker 2: But then that was Sweden in the final of England.
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Speaker 4: Didn't they No, I reckon they won it, didn't they? England won the World Cup? Yeah, I thought, check that, I thought they did.
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Speaker 2: No, France beat them.
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Speaker 4: France or and then we had Spain.
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Speaker 2: I'm confused.
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
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Speaker 16: And then regardless, Spain was because it was the big scam, the kiss.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the kiss that that came after.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 2: We eventually got stood down for sexual.
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Speaker 4: England made the final.
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Speaker 3: And then because that it was mirrored in the Euros the following year when Spain beat England in the final of the men's competition.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, swedet Australia in the third place.
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Speaker 4: Third place, Yeah, we got there in the end.
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Speaker 16: Speaking of getting their port, have got there with their coaching panel. Ben Rutton appointed the head of the truck. The Truck is, the Truck is back.
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Speaker 2: He seems like the nicest guy, was a lovely bloke and.
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Speaker 16: He's got some experience. Look, he worked at Richmond, remember who's an assistant when they were really successful, sort of dinnisty side if you like. Then he's worked at Essendon as a senior coach and I didn't work out brilliantly, but he's at least got experience in the hot seat and the chair. And then he's also now gone back to Richmond and been the head of coaching and development and a great player two hundred and twenty nine.
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Speaker 2: Games tortured Port Adelaide and showdowns, didn't he he had Warren tread Ray's number, Yeah he.
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Speaker 16: Did, he did. Yeah, it was an allusting five. So look, I think it's a really strong appointment. Chris Davis did a brilliant job. I thought for a long time. But I don't mind the fact that port are going down this path of let's totally change everything. We've got to, you know, change one thing, let's change it all blank canvas. I think it's a good move. They've got some fresh blood in there, so that rounds it out for them. So we'll see how they go.
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Speaker 4: And yeah, Ben Rutting, new head of footy.
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Speaker 2: Well, good on your truck, Yeah, good on you. T ren Tags boys. What was your nickname playing cricket back in the day year behind the stumps? Just Renny?
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Speaker 4: Just Rennie boring, Yeah, very boring.
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Speaker 3: Every member of Rennie's family is called Rennie.
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Speaker 2: Yeah he did.
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Speaker 3: Yeah occasionally cheerings me which Rennie?
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Speaker 1: Ren Bags boys, Penberthie and world Goodings five double a breakfast.
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Speaker 2: Twenty five minutes to seven. A bit of a cool one out there at the moment. Coming up in an hour's time, Sean Future will join us to go around the courts with Sean, and then before eight o'clock David Kyle shall be on the show. It sounds like the world's most uninteresting thing, but it may well have big ramifications for your mortgage or indeed your savings account. Then monthly, well, now the quarterly inflation data is going to come out today. That is going to be the thing that Michelle Bullock and the RBA are looking at most closely when it comes to working out are we going to put rates on hold. Are they on hold with a view to them going up next time? You might think that sounds ridiculous. Well, economists don't think so, so.
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Speaker 3: Neither it's cost you. It's a great day to have him on. I read a piece yesterday where he described it as the apocaly apocalyptic option is that if inflation gets back up towards three, the st of being pulled in two different directions, aren't they? Yeah, this is the truth, because if had employment, unemployment's going up, goes up and in inflation. Normally, if unemployment goes up, you'd cut rates, yep. But if any employment goes up but inflation's going up, and it's going up significantly, then you might have to jacko up here.
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Speaker 2: You have no good option then, because you put up rates and you'll accelerate the rate of unemployment. Yeah. But I mean, perversely, we had the conversation during and post COVID that they wouldn't have minded thing unemployment go up a little bit. This is the inhumane side of spreadsheet economics. We're going to get to that in about an hour's time. Let's talk now about a decision that was well this time yesterday. In fact, we were talking about the potential that Luigi Glagora would be released on home detention under what sounded like the least onerous conditions known to man. Luigi Glagora, the person who was driving a car and then ran from police that nearly killed our next guest, advertised journalist Ben Hyde. Yesterday in Parliament, the Correctional Services Minister round and Piers said that Luigi Gligora would in fact not be released from prison more than six months early. And Ben, I can only imagine that must have been at very least some comfort to you.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, good morning guys, And yeah it did give I guess some semblance of comfort on the back of what's been a very difficult four years. I mean, amazing for myself and the circle around me. I'm just hopeful that it's something that extends to.
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Speaker 3: All victims now, Yeah, absolutely, Ben. The thing that I found so remarkable about that story, mate was that set aside the terms of his planned release or whatever conditions were going to be put on him, but it was more the principle that it seemed to be a breach of the spirit of the sentence that he received, didn't it.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, it did, And I think that's probably what you know upset me the most is that you drag through a very traumatic court process and everything is put into a you know, a melting pot of.
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Speaker 2: Everything.
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Speaker 15: That a judge who gets paid a lot of money and has spend a lot of time assessing all those things then makes a very informed decision on a penalty that is meeted out with personal you know, from a personal punishment, but also a community expectation and a deterrent perspective. And then only for that kind of decision to get amended behind closed doors with zero transparency. That worries me and I think should worry the broader community.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it definitely should worry the broader community, Ben because and other people who are in a similar situation to you, who've been victims of crime. You know, the newspaper was in a unique position and it was such a great and important example of journalism at its best. I thought the fact that this was exposed and it was prosecuted with great energy by the paper and the government was forced to intervene in the Corrections department stepped in and stopped it from happening. But I would won that are there other guys who've been free sitting on the couch at home, free to go to the shops, free to have friends over, free to do all the things that they were meant to be prevented from doing under the terms of their sentence.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, well, this is what kind of worry man. I said it in my piece in the paper yesterday, like this isn't necessarily that much about you know, my offender. I'm naturally, you know, as far from ideal what he did to me, and I harbor some anger and frustration, but I'm also very much a believer in, you know, trying to rehabilitate prisoners and whatnot. But I do feel like, you know, victims are very voiceless, and I happen to have the privileged position of having a platform where I can amplify my voice, and you know, I do worry that there's lots of other victims out there who either a you know, don't opt in to receive this correspondence, so they never even know that they're perpetrator gets out on our own tension before their non parole period ends, or they receive it, and they just don't have the means to be able to, you know, amplify their concerns or know exactly what to do with them to try and make a difference.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think that was one of the important results of the story. As you say, selflessly, you did have quite clearly a massive dog in the fight on this issue. But to the broader point, I think it has probably set an important precedent where corrections are going to think twice about going down this path again. It was just jaw dropping when we're reading it yesterday in the studio saying well, I just can't believe this story.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean it is. And that's the thing. I just don't think anyone expects that when someone's prosecution wraps up and a judge says this is the punishment that you deserve, that it can then all change. You know, maybe if it were to go back into court and the highly transparent process and fresh evidence or reason to be brought forward as to why it should change, that's fine. Just don't don't do it under a cover of secrecy and prevent victims from from being able to talk about it when they're re traumatized and seriously aggrieved.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely excellent piece. Yesterday Ben and got on the paper for belling the cat on this one. Advertiser journo Ben hyd Always great to chat to your mate. We'll catch up soon.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, thanks, guys, have a.
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Speaker 2: Great eighteen minutes to seven. It is the twenty ninth of October. In just a couple of days time, a band will come into place on commercial fishing in the Gulf Saint Vincent Kangar Island fishing zone that will last until the end of June next year. That is the place of business for our next guest, Nathan Eats from Cape Klamari. He's a commercial fisherman. Nathan, Good morning to you. What do you say, Nathan? I can't imagine what this period and process has been like for you. What does your next six months look like?
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Speaker 11: Good morning, guys.
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Speaker 2: How are you Yeah, we're good things.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's pretty hard to comprehend what's happening out there, complete natural disaster and cause and destruction through our golf system.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 11: So I'm essentially closed for business as of Saturday. It's a pretty hard deal to swallow, but I think it's the right decision from the government to actually the hard decision and put the ban on place. Personally, I think it probably should be all sect as recreational commercial prawn trooling everything for that time period to give the fish docks the best possible chance of recovering.
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Speaker 3: We're about to U base, Nathan. Where do you do most of your fishing?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, so I'm down on the southern Fleario. We're in a cove down as far as through Rapid Bay, Kangaroo Island back to Cape Jervis in that area.
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Speaker 3: Big, big Calamari area normally, isn't it. But when was the last time you caught a squid mate?
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Speaker 11: Yeah? So the last squid I caught was April the eighteenth this year. So they've been nonexistent. We don't know if they're dead or alive or moved into deeper water. I do a little bit of whiting fishing as well. The whiting fishing hasn't been as bad as the Calamari, but it's still not as good as what other years have been. They've clearly been moving around the Gulf trying to escape the bloom. We've seen increased numbers in certain areas before the bloom hits there, and that's what we're seeing in spent to Golf now. The bloom started to go into Spencer Golf up the western side there which increased the whiting, and everyone on the west coast of York Peninsula have been saying, how good the whiting fishing's been there. Well, there's probably a reason for it, and these measures of the government have put in place of to try and preserve those fish stops, because if that was left open, they would be coffering, copying, and absolute battering over summer.
00:28:22
Speaker 3: So what do you make This is your entire livelihood to April eighteen, We just worked at one hundred and ninety four days since your last quarter, squid, How do you make any income without?
00:28:32
Speaker 11: Yes, I had. I was lucky the way I sell my fishes directly to local restaurants here on the Fleurio. The entirety of what I catch goes to these restaurants. So to do that sometimes I have to freeze it. So I had a little stock bile in my freezer, which got me through the first couple of months. After a couple of months and then no income, then I got a bit of government assistance which was greatly appreciated. And then yeah, don't really know what's next now.
00:28:59
Speaker 3: The mate, Well, Jean's a long time away, isn't that criky?
00:29:03
Speaker 18: Yeah?
00:29:04
Speaker 11: Yeah, unless I can work out a way of miraculously diversifying into another area, which is not as easy as it sounds. I'll be looking for some alternate work over the summer.
00:29:14
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:29:16
Speaker 3: Is it continuing government assistance that you've got access to, Nathan.
00:29:20
Speaker 11: Yeah, they've just announced another round of it, which I still have to still have to go through the process of We've still got to apply for it and qualify, which obviously should not being able to catch anything for so long now.
00:29:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, just to be clear on that, Nathan, is the size of the government assistance? Will it see you through until the middle of next year? If the bats when the band comes.
00:29:40
Speaker 11: Off, It will see my business through, but it won't pay my personal.
00:29:46
Speaker 3: Bills, which is kind of the any emerged got kids.
00:29:50
Speaker 2: All that, mate?
00:29:51
Speaker 11: No, I just got a partner. I've got a pretty hefty mortgage though, he and young.
00:29:56
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:29:56
Speaker 11: I'm thirty two.
00:29:57
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, where's home? Which part of Fury are you on? Yeah?
00:30:00
Speaker 11: I live at Normanville Okay, so yeah, beautiful part of the world. Yeah. With the offshore wins, it's been beautiful there on the beach. We're still seeing a few dead leather jackets washing up on the beach.
00:30:10
Speaker 8: But other than that, I couldn't really know what's going on.
00:30:14
Speaker 11: Thanks quite nice there.
00:30:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a beautiful part of this idea man.
00:30:18
Speaker 11: Yeah, so hopefully we don't know. The government assistant that they've just released goes until March thirty. First, we're obviously closed to June thirtieth or whatever it is around that date, So probably expect them to announce something further for that time frame as well, because their current grants. That just gets the business surviving for the periods that they're announcing.
00:30:39
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's greatly appreciated.
00:30:41
Speaker 11: What they're doing, and those effected should qualify for it.
00:30:45
Speaker 7: Well.
00:30:45
Speaker 3: Nathan, thanks for sharing your story mate, and all the best over the coming southern summer months down south.
00:30:53
Speaker 2: We'll stay in touch with you. Nathan.
00:30:54
Speaker 3: Eight Cape Kalamari's commercial fishermen devastating?
00:30:58
Speaker 2: Isn't it full unknown future? Because you don't know whether the grounds are going to be extended, you don't know whether the fishing seasons are going to return, there's no no one knows for sure that.
00:31:08
Speaker 3: I don't know if the algal blooms working towards a June thirty deadline.
00:31:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, how many stories are there out there? Like Nathan's. If you've got one, we'd love to hear it. Eight double two to three double O double OW is the number.
00:31:19
Speaker 1: David Penberthy and Will Goodings five double a breakfast ten to seven.
00:31:24
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the weather today and for the weekend. Hea Jenny Harbatt at the Bureau has the latest figures for us. Jenny, good morning to you, Good morning guys. Something for everyone over the next few days. Let's start with Wednesday.
00:31:36
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's right. It's a little bit cool out there. At the moment. We saw that minimum temperature of a seven point two degrees about halbas four. Currently it is a seven point nine degrees at the West Terrace night Appeer of Observation site. We are aiming for a sunny twenty two degrees in the city at twenty four along the northern suburbs, twenty one about the coast, twenty two on the forecast for Mount Barker. It's relatively sunny out there. We have seen a little bit looking at the satellite pitch, a little bit of low cloud, maybe some fog, but on the other side of the hills on the eastern slopes, so that should clear up relatively quickly. Now it gets a little bit interesting on Thursday, so we are expecting midnim temperture around twelve degrees and potentially up to twenty six as our wind shift. Normally that's ahead of our change coming us through later, so we'll get one of these patchy cloud bands coming across from the west, so we could see a little bit of shower activity developing during the afternoon and into the evening period. There. We're not expecting totals to be overly high, and again it's a little bit unsettled, but we couldn't rule out a bit of a thunderstorm, but I feel like that'd probably be more overnight Thursday into Friday morning, and then we'll see all of that clear up relatively quickly, so by sunrise on Friday we should be back into dry conditions. That temperature are around twenty three degrees on the Friday, there another sunny day for Saturday, we're looking at top temperatures of around twenty eight degrees, and then on Sunday we've got our next system coming in, so again chance to see some showers. Current timing pushes that later in today and then into Monday. It looks like a bit of a wet start to the week that temperature back down to around nineteen degrees. But a bit of uncertainty with that system there on the weekend, and not too much rainful with this next one coming there, guys.
00:33:15
Speaker 2: Thank you. Jenny Horvat at the Weather Bureau said to save Pol Sergeant Peter Williams on the line, Peter. Another youth's been arrested over that Monday night bottle shop incident.
00:33:24
Speaker 19: Yeah, good morning, David Graham. How are you around? Sorry? Wrong show?
00:33:31
Speaker 2: I got it right this morning, Peter, I got it right.
00:33:35
Speaker 8: You did well.
00:33:36
Speaker 19: Around eight o'clock last night, officers and knew the identity of a young boy wanted over the Plint in a frey from Monday night spotted him in another youth walking along Stair Road at Seacon Garden. When police approached the boys, they both took off on foot. One of them was stopped nearby in Finish Street, the other one located by Polaia a short time later in North Norfolk Avenue. Both have been arrested and taken into selves for charging. The outstanding boy from the Plinton incident, a fifteen year old from Clinton Park, has been charged with five counts to theft, two counts of breach of ball and the count of a fraid relating to the Plinton incident. A fourteen year old boy from Clove Valley Park which may ring a bell to you. He was arrested as well and charged with two counts of breaching ball, one camp of breaching a transfort barring order, and four counts of theft. You'll be happy to know that police have refused bail on both of the boys and when they had their magistrate's reviewed, the magistrate upheld that decision and they've remanded in custody overnight and they'll appear in the Adelaide's called today.
00:34:35
Speaker 2: Yeah. Good work by sap Old there, Peton. Good work by the magistrate too.
00:34:39
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what I'll hell broke this alfter six forty five yesterday when we caught up with you at ten order.
00:34:44
Speaker 19: Yeah, no story, I appeared to be. I let it out a little bit. Cut out the bag on that one.
00:34:50
Speaker 2: Then keep it up. That's the way we like it.
00:34:55
Speaker 3: Another one for you, Yeah, tell us about this one bother.
00:34:59
Speaker 2: Yeah Yeah.
00:34:59
Speaker 19: Just after ninth thirty last night's officers stopped the silver BMW in the car wash section of a petrol station at Port Wakeford Road at Bolivar. When they spoke to the people, they formed a reason to search the vehicle, and inside that car they found more than what was a clean car. They found a backpack which held fifty grams of methm fetterman than half a liter of GHB. Further searchers uncovered two heat sealed bags in the boot containing four kilograms of cannabis, plus the hitting compartment which concealed a glock gel blaster. Officers also seized ice pips, three seal little bags, and more myths from the vehicle. Three people were arrested, a twenty eight year old man and a forty three year old man from Victoria and also a thirty nine year old woman from Northern Territory. So they've all been charged with drug trafficking and firearm of fences. They've all been refused bail and they'll hit the Elizabeth Magistrates Court today. So it's not the kind of welcome pack we generally offer people visiting USA. But if you bring crime across the bottom and make sure you get full accommodation and it will be an all inclusive package.
00:35:55
Speaker 2: Magnificent work, Sergeant Pleader Williams from a stake bowl there. Well, when we last got up with our next guest, he was somewhat miffed that in the midst of the Jetti rode up Gribe that's disrupted people's ability to access his store, and whilst talking with council he was given a parking ticket for parking out front of his business. Grundy Shoes General manager Tom Whittenbury joins us now on five double a Breakfast. Because Tom, the Council may have been listening.
00:36:23
Speaker 12: It sounds like, yeah, good morning, gentlemen, thank you for having me back on the show. Yeah, it's a bit of a Darryl Carrigan from the Castle moment. Yeah, since we last spoke, I had a bit of good news, so backwards and forwards with the council over the phone and on Monday, so he decided to give me a call to say that mind infringement noticed had been waved on compassionate grounds. So I've never thought I'd be using the word council in common sense in the same sentence, but here we are.
00:36:54
Speaker 3: Well, Tom, this is almost backflip half hour because it showed that the coverage of your story through our show was really something where I think the council for shamed into into acting. Obviously it's been a pr nightmare for them what's going on down there. But as you said that in that wonderful letter to the editor of the paper that kicked it all off, it was never about the money. It was about the principle.
00:37:19
Speaker 12: That's that's exactly right. I mean, you know, it wasn't about the sixty five dollars ticket. It's more about the principle of you know, a lot of businesses along Jettie Road are really hurting at the moment. You know, we're probably a fortunate position where you know, we are not only a trader but a landlord. But you know, there's a lot of people out there paying rent, and you know, when they're unable to access their business, when customers are unable to have you know, a nice clear walking path to get into stores, and then just not having any I guess clear deadline on the completion date can really be frustrating for a.
00:37:53
Speaker 8: Lot of people.
00:37:54
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:37:55
Speaker 3: Absolutely, So have you got a reopening date, Tom, What are your planning?
00:37:59
Speaker 12: Yeah, we're going to move back to our original home, which is one O two Jetti Road next to crusos. So we are actually moving next Monday and Tuesday, and we will be in trading as of Wednesday, the fifth of November. So we yeah, really look forward to having all our loyal Brundies customers come back to one A two Jetty Road to see us. We'll be open, doors will be open and we'll be ready to serve you.
00:38:22
Speaker 3: Well, that's great news, Tom, and we will if you need us to help you get the message out that you're back up and running. Don't hesitate and give us another call. Stick your air for a couple of minutes and remind everyone that you're there and that hopefully as the barricades come down, the customers come back. Good on your Tom.
00:38:40
Speaker 12: Yeah, I really do appreciate obviously all the work that both your gents have really put into raising awareness over this because, like I say, it's an ongoing issue, but you know, as time goes on, hopefully we'll get a straight back up and running to its formal gloor and get people along the strips and business as usual hopefully.
00:38:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely good on your Tom.
00:39:00
Speaker 3: Tom Wittenbury, the general manager of Grundy Shoes, Well.
00:39:03
Speaker 2: Good on the council on that occasion. Let's hope it. Let's hope it exactly right. Let's hope it was a sign that maybe there might be a little bit more thought being applied to parking fines being levied against people in that area at the moment. Then maybe it's not good for business to create an environment that literally nobody wants to visit. Hopefully that message has gotten through absolutely.
00:39:28
Speaker 3: I reckon our tomatoe plant has grown an inch since Monday. We need to do time laps photography.
00:39:34
Speaker 2: We should take a photo of dark I could see you getting into photography at some point. My dad was a man amateur. Yeah, I can see.
00:39:41
Speaker 3: He's got all the old stuff, the fixer and the developer and all the trade.
00:39:45
Speaker 2: He's got a dark room. But he took a lot of photos.
00:39:48
Speaker 3: Of us, as were kids from sister and I. Wonderful old photos, great photography. This is a job for deep en, maybe made of mine. He's got a cat, and which of itself isn't that interesting?
00:40:02
Speaker 2: But the cat has got it. The cat's got its own Instagram. Don't do you a breaking good eight?
00:40:11
Speaker 3: One of my friends as a cat the end. No, his cat he started because it was a cat that just turned up became his friend, and it's becomes like it's got this huge Instagram for Dave Krantz. But maybe the tomato could have its own Instagram.
00:40:26
Speaker 2: I think quite possibly, all right, if you can run that to it went Stone and run it on the other side of the five double A news. On the other side of five double A news, we're going to be chatting Minister for Local Government Community Development, the Honorable Desmond Mackenzie in Jamaica as Hurricane Melissa bears down, David.
00:40:46
Speaker 1: Penberthie and Will Goodings five double A Breakfast.
00:40:53
Speaker 2: Made of mind. He's got a cat.
00:40:57
Speaker 1: They're surprisingly big offers that he son from thirty nine ninety nineteen Drive away.
00:41:02
Speaker 4: There's a job participating them Day Dealer.
00:41:05
Speaker 1: Today David pen Burbie and Will Goodies Clive Believe.
00:41:09
Speaker 2: Started to reflect on the highlights of the first How then I guess coming up for the ages coming up very shortly we go around the courts with the Sean fused to they've been Rob's texted in suggesting that the Instagram plan for the tomato plant that we should put it on. Put the plant on only tomatoes. Well, it's up for everything out there in the digital world. Isn't that exactly right? There's a thought, David Coach before eight o'clock as well, we'll try to get a beat on what's going to happen on Melbourne Cup Day when it comes to interest rates, and then big breaking eight coming up after eight o'clock. Have plenty of reasons to stick around. The biggest story around the world is unfolding as we speak right now. Hurricane Melissa is over western Jamaica. It hit the coast about three hours ago and when it was on its way it was slated as the the first time in the history of Jamaica that the island had been hit by Category five storm. It's subsequently amazing downgraded to a category four. You think of that part of the world.
00:42:14
Speaker 3: Hating seems to get smashed annually by hurricanes. It's been sitting there Jamaica and the Gulf of Mexico since the dawn of time. We're not quite since the dawn of time, but for a very long time, never hit by category five.
00:42:27
Speaker 2: So let's cross there now. The Jamaica Minister of Local Government Community Development is the Honorable Desmond Mackenzie, who joins us now a minister. Thank you so much. For joining us.
00:42:35
Speaker 5: A good mind to you, I think it is I've done so on your program to hear worldway? Does that jo us here in Jamaica.
00:42:46
Speaker 3: We really appreciate your time, minister, amid such a difficult time for your country. So what is happening now the site that the hurricane has hit Jamaica.
00:42:56
Speaker 2: Yes, well, we are under.
00:42:59
Speaker 5: A full country of Melisia as I speak. The western and central parts of the island are being severely impacted by the passage of the hurricane, which is thank god, is now down to a category four and we over the next nine to ten hours will have to endure more of what we have been enduring for the last almost from this morning.
00:43:26
Speaker 2: It is something.
00:43:28
Speaker 5: It's an experience that has shattered the lives of many Jamaicans. It is a situation that I don't know. After the doss is settled and we start the assessment, then we will be in a better position to know the level of destruction that has been reached on the country.
00:43:51
Speaker 6: But I am.
00:43:54
Speaker 5: I am not fearful in saying that we have been badly, severely batted by Melissa.
00:44:04
Speaker 2: Today. Has there been any loss of life yet? Minister?
00:44:09
Speaker 5: We have we are getting reports. There are some areas that it's difficult. We understand that there's a family that has been trapped inside our house, and we understand that there's one casualty. It is not something that I can confirm as yet, but we are waiting on information for that. But so far, that is the only incident of that we we have heard of. But we know that there has been dislocation right around the entire island from Negrad point tomorrow and Point has been severely uh scarred by by Melissa. Our agriculture area, which is Saint Lizabeth, Manchester, which is what we call the bread basket country, that is herely discovered. It is underwater. Their damages have been done to hospital fast stations, public offices, private homes or infrastructure is taking a battery. As I speak, I'm actually in the capital city at the command center, and I can look through the window and see the wind and the rain. We are now having hurricane enforced winds in sections of the corporate era, although the level of the damage here in this section is not as bad as as it is in other parts of the country, but the entire island is covered by Melisa.
00:45:44
Speaker 3: Well, is it something that Jamaicans are used to because we were saying before we here in Australia in the north of their country Darwin and Northern Queensland, Cairns, places like that. We often have cyclones here and the house design is changed as a result of that. People have certain protocols that they followed to take shelter. Is Jamaica used to the idea of hurricanes being an issue to be grappled with.
00:46:18
Speaker 2: Well.
00:46:18
Speaker 5: First of all, Jamaica sits in the top five most disasters disaster country in the world. We are a disaster prone country. We actually sit on the earthquake fault line, so we are accustomed to hurricanes. We have had major urricanes dating back to nineteen fifty one. We had Orcane and Charlie, which was a massive hurricane. We had Hurricane and Gilbert in nineteen eighty nine which literally devastated the country, and we have had several others and last year we had buried which did significant damage to the areas now that is being battered by Melissa was severely battered by very last year. So we are a disaster prown country, so we are used to it. But we have never had this experience that we are presently experienced before. We have never had it before and it is something that the country will wake up to in a couple of days time to see what the effects of it has been. When the system leaves the island, we are going to be still periods of rains and when that is associated with the system, that will we have to experience or probably the next three to four days. Our infrastructure is taking our beating as I speak.
00:47:52
Speaker 2: Minister, do you anticipate needing foreign assistance once this is past.
00:48:00
Speaker 5: That. Yes, we have already established with our partners, diplomatic partners to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Foreign Trade. That has been done and already countries have indicated to us. We do have a strong diplomatic relationship with almost all the countries in the world who have embassies and consulates here in Jamaica, and we have been working with them to ensure that our assistance is provided. But I want to make the point that the government will not sit and with for outside assistance. A couple of years ago, the government created bonds and insurance that will cover the country in any form of disaster, and based on the conditions of what we are experiencing, a lot of what we have covered in insurance and bonds will be triggered to erpost to start rebuilding, because it is going to be rebuilding up the country in many areas of Jamaica once the system as fast. But yes we do, and we have a website that is up that speaks so we are Persons can go to that website and to lend support to the people of Jamaica.
00:49:27
Speaker 3: You've got an amazing country, mister mackenzie. With we here in Australia. We love your country for it's cricket, it's it's music, it's contribution to athletics and your wonderful cuisine as well. Markel Holding one of the greatest cricketers ever to play the game from the West Indies as a boy growing up watching him bowl such a brilliant, brilliant cricketer, so many others as well. So as a country which is Australia has a lot of affection for we. I wish you all the best of luck getting through these difficult days and we thank you for your time amid such a hectic, a hectic schedule for you as a as a minister, and I.
00:50:11
Speaker 5: Really appreciated being here on your program. And let me say it to you about Sydney in Australia is my favorite favorite in Australia.
00:50:24
Speaker 11: Right.
00:50:25
Speaker 2: It is a good town.
00:50:26
Speaker 5: Yes, thank you, and your women is doing exceptionally aware.
00:50:32
Speaker 2: They thank you for having McKenzie Desmond McKenzie there. That was great. It was fantastic.
00:50:39
Speaker 3: Mister McKenzie, the Minister for Local Government and Community Development in Kingston, Jamaica.
00:50:44
Speaker 2: For the people watching on the Facebook and YouTube live stream worth always tuning in. But he was sitting behind a desk in the Jamaican flag behind it. It looked like an address for it. It was an official address from the Jamaican government and it was nice when you asked it. When you mentioned Michael holding, it was the first time he smiled. But the block sitting in the midst of a natural disaster, the eye of a hurricane is over his country. You mentioned cricket and he couldn't help but smile. Will you think about that country though?
00:51:06
Speaker 11: So?
00:51:06
Speaker 3: I think the population from is it about three minutes just under three million. Yeah, what a country that's punched above its weight in all the things I mentioned. Athletics, yeah, music, sport and cuisine like Jamaican food is uniquely awesome jerk chicken, those the black eyed beans with the rice. But the world of cricket, athletics reggae like it's done a hell of a lot for a little place.
00:51:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a remarkable place and let's hope it escapes the worst of it all, beit it's sounding pretty nasty. Makes mine have been there on West Indies tours years ago and it's just wild. The goat carry as well, Yeah, still the goat cat with a red stripe.
00:51:53
Speaker 1: David Penbergie and Will Goodings five double a Breakfast.
00:51:57
Speaker 2: Twenty three minutes after seven we still of the program talking about a mysterious payout that came to light in State Parliament yesterday. The Energy Minister Tom Kotzontona's revealing that an employee at the Office of Hydrogen Power. Now we don't have an Office of Hydrogen Power any any longer, that money was redirected to the bailout of the Whaler Steel Works. But in the process and people need to be moved on, the head of Hydrogen got moved on to head up with the whale operation. Well others just had to leave, which meant they got paid out. One of them was paid out between eight hundred and thirty one thousand and eight hundred and fifty one thousand dollars. It was not Sam Craft, the chief executive of the Office of Hydrogen Power. Someone else got paid nearly a million dollars not to turn up the work. Shadow Energy Minister Stephen Patterson joins us on five double A Breakfast. Stephen Pattison, Good morning. Do we know anything about the identity of this person or what role they performed?
00:52:55
Speaker 9: Morning we were morning David. No, we didn't find that out in Parliament yesterday, but we were to find that someone again was paid over one hundred and thirty zers it could be one hundred and fifty thousand textpait money and this was only for ten months of work and then when the hydron power plant was shells, they were sent on their way. It's just so just when Australias think they've got to the bottom of this once in a generation waste of taxpayer money, we get another shopping revelation of the waste that was going on. It's in the complete an other shambles that this hydrogen venue project has turned out to be. So it's just no wonder that we've had half a billion dollars that has been sunk and committed on this PREMIERUS hydrogen fantasy, when we see just one executive was paid what's almost double what the Premier owns and it's for a project that's gone nowhere. And at the same time, labors now trying to whitewash this colossal waste of spin. They're trying to use creative countings.
00:53:56
Speaker 19: The government.
00:53:57
Speaker 9: We've got turbine Tom coming. He's going to sell the turbines.
00:54:00
Speaker 8: And that'll fix it.
00:54:01
Speaker 9: But we know that from the Independent Order Generals report, a large amount of that money will never be recovered. Eighty five point seven million dollars has been written off, and then more than sixty million has been spent on general expenses and wages, including this mystery executive whose received a golden handshake. It up to eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
00:54:21
Speaker 3: So Stephen Patterson that it was back in May from memory when the government announced that the Office of Hydrogen was being closed, obviously in the wake of Wyaler, where the money, a lot of the money for Hydrogen was shifted across towards Wyaler, and they said, well, there's no still works, there's no need for a hydrogen plant, but however all panned out. Do you know whether there were other people in the Office of Hydrogen who didn't sort of get redeployed as Greg Craft now has been, he's heading up the whaler still works effort. Do you reckon there might be other public servants who did get the bums rush and happily left with their own monstrously sized check.
00:55:10
Speaker 9: But it seems to be the case. We tried to drill into this further once we had this shocking revelation of someone being paid out eight and thirty thousand to ten months salary. We asked, okay, well, there was eight executives, highly paid executives in the Office of Hydroens in twenty twenty four. How many of those are still within the government? And the Minister was evasive, didn't give exact numbers, but he did confirm there was more than just this one mystery executive.
00:55:38
Speaker 3: So there's mon eight hundred and fifty.
00:55:39
Speaker 9: Thousand dollars is just so much could have paid for the wages of ten nurses, teachers, or police officers or delivering frontline services. Instead, someone gets ten months work to then be sent on their way, and really for a role that's no longer required for a project that's gone nowhere.
00:55:56
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well the government's going to have to all.
00:56:00
Speaker 9: Well, we're paying the high purprices under this labor government.
00:56:05
Speaker 3: Yeah absolutely, Stephen Patterson, the shadow Energy Minister, and thank you for joining us. So if there were eight other executives, but to get paid out eight hundred and thirty grand, that can't be for one year's salary because it's more than what Greg Craft was being paid. I think Greg Craft was being paid six hundred grand as the chief executive or.
00:56:25
Speaker 2: Whatever he was called. So he was the boss, Sam Crafter, Sam Crafter.
00:56:30
Speaker 3: Greg old Man was Greg Crafter, the Education Minister, Sam Crafter. So this eight hundred and thirty one grand payout, guy man, woman who knows that must have been like a two year contract or yeah two and a half think so yeah, But I mean if there's another if there's another seven executives, or maybe Sam Craft is one of them, if there's another six in that same bracket, we could be looking at like, you know, your four million dollars worth of.
00:57:01
Speaker 2: Payouts, talk about money for nothing. It might also be maybe their public serments with long history so they've got lots of leave, lots of long service and things like that. They can also add up over the course of time. Now, before we go to the break, the wheel is in the studio, which means it's time to give away a care Alert smart dial We love care Alert greats out of Australian product. With my age care changes starting November one. Now to get your carelt smart dialer through your home care package. After November one, access might be hard to call Carolert for the details. Give the wheel a spin, eat Genevery number correlates to a year, a birth year. If it's yours, give us a buzz and it could be you who walks away the smart dialer. Come on, Dave, we give it a spin. I know, look at you suddenly missed TV. Here we go, give it a spin, round around, it goes, it stops on. Is that twenty one or nineteen twenty nineteen Nov Nineteen nineteen goes of.
00:57:54
Speaker 5: All the time?
00:57:55
Speaker 2: Was nineteen the one that always goes off? Yeah, it's weighted. I'll spin it again. There, Dodgy, it's number three, number three. Oh, this is our hardest challenge yet. This is someone who one hundred nineteen twenty seven. A ninety eight year old. We need a ninety eight. I don't think we've ever needed someone. I think we've we've had ninety five. I'm not sure we've ever had reckon. We'll get a ninety eight year old. We need a ninety eight. Someone born, or someone who's turning ninety. It could be ninety seven year old who in the latter part of the year is turning ninety eut but someone born in nineteen twenty seven, good band. Nineteen twenty seven was the year that Parliament moved to Canberra for To give you some sets out, it's up until that. That was the point it was decided that the capital had to be halfway between Sydney and Melbourne. Nineteen twenty seven coming in anything they ever in nineteen you've seen some things. If you're eligible to win the Carol, it's Mamart Dialard this morning, get calling now eight double two three double O, double O five double A News on the way, Sean Fustona, David.
00:58:59
Speaker 1: Penn and Will Goodings five double A breakfast.
00:59:03
Speaker 2: Twenty two minutes to eight double two three double O double oh is and me. Of course you can text us on the Police Home Care text line. We're gonna get some more of those in a moment bit of feedback to the last half hour. But first.
00:59:14
Speaker 1: It's time to go around the courts with Sean Fusta on five Double A Breakfast.
00:59:20
Speaker 2: I'm glad we've got I'm always glad we've got Sewan in and he's good to have you in the studio, Facebook and YouTube after get up and lead before you said that I'm glad to here today. Oh well, well, I'm particularly glad because I was searching for answers with regard to the gentleman who was carrying the DESI Freeman placard allegedly.
00:59:43
Speaker 4: Allegedly allegedly the gentleman, it.
00:59:45
Speaker 2: Looked like, okay, well, let's get into that because he's now received.
00:59:51
Speaker 4: Cause he's now received a caution.
00:59:53
Speaker 2: No longer charged with a more serious offense.
00:59:55
Speaker 16: That's right, which means therefore there is no proof beyond reasonable doubt that he was the one holding the placard. So therefore we need to say that it was allegedly that gentleman. There was definitely someone at the March for Australia rally holding the placard that said free man with a photo of drawing sorry of Desi Freeman, the fugitive alleged gunman alleged and then also the I think it was the southern cross part of the flag and things like that on it. Definitely someone they're doing it, But whether or not it was Lee Roberts is an allegation because it has never proven in court. He did receive a caution, though he did receive a caution, he did turn himself in to speak to police, okay, But whether or not there was ever any proof beyond reasonable doubt is something we will never know. So we need to be careful and we need to say that he was alleged to have done it, that he was accused of doing it.
01:00:43
Speaker 2: So did he say, you can't prove that it was me?
01:00:47
Speaker 4: It never got to court to figure it out. Here's the thing.
01:00:50
Speaker 16: When mister Roberts surrendered himself at the Grenfell Street police station, he was given a court date of yesterday, So myself and all of the TV news end up waiting at the Adelaide Magistrate's Court for this case to be called on. It didn't appear anywhere in the case lists. The courts themselves had no record of the case. Police prosecution didn't have it in their brief of cases to deal with for the day. No defense counsel we spoke to knew anything about it. Mister Roberts wasn't anywhere in the building or anywhere in the court precinct at all. So we're wondering what the heck is going on, And when you've got an entire scribble of journalists together, that's the collective now and a scribble of journalists, we're all sort of splitting tracks and asking various people, and the picture slowly emerged that what had happened was about fifteen minutes before the court building opened, So eight forty five in the morning yesterday, South Australia Police informed mister Roberts council they would no longer be proceeding with any charges and as a result he would be issued sometime with a formal caution.
01:01:56
Speaker 2: So that hasn't happened yet, hasn't book It.
01:01:58
Speaker 16: Might have happened yesterday at that point, it hadn't happened, But at time of the Advertiser website reporting the story, and I think at time that you know, seven and nine and everyone else went to air last night. As far as we know, it hadn't happened, what.
01:02:11
Speaker 3: Would he have been charged with offensive conduct.
01:02:14
Speaker 16: Displaying an offensive sign, offensive behavior in public along those lines.
01:02:18
Speaker 2: Well, let's just abstract it from moment on with what it takes to prove that particular charge. Is there anything we've had similar to this?
01:02:26
Speaker 5: Oh?
01:02:26
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
01:02:27
Speaker 16: I mean the idea is, would a reasonable ordinary person in the position of an observer be offended by whatever the material or action was? Right, ordinary reasonable person being the same ordinary reasonable person definition, that is, have you found proof beyond reasonable doubt? Does a reasonable person agree? So it's the same level. Normally, these sorts of things tend to end up in guilty please, because someone will go, yeah, all right, I'm wearing a T shirt that says explotive deleted, or I'm wearing you know, apparently, if you're the Liberal opposition a Joy Division T shirt, Apparently that's a problem, all that sort of thing. But this time it's just faded away. It was very strange.
01:03:08
Speaker 2: It was very strange because I would think that this had been the kind of thing the police would really like to make a point about saying, you know what, people who are alleged to have killed police officers are not the kind of people that should be held up as some kind of heroes. And that's exactly what happened.
01:03:22
Speaker 4: I mean, that was the message. Yeah.
01:03:23
Speaker 3: The acting Commissioner, Linda Williams at the time, she put a statement out about it saying, yeah, I mean the thing was this guy allegedly he was holding the plack up literally days. I don't even think it was ten days. I think it was within it was still a live, running, massive story that Desi Freeman had killed the cops and was on the run.
01:03:44
Speaker 4: Freeman is still in the wind as we speak.
01:03:47
Speaker 16: Yeah, here's the thing. Let's not split infinitives. The sign itself, I think we can all agree here in this studio absolutely offensive, Yeah everything without said Pabo, without a doubt, there is no way that sign has any place in civil society anywhere. There is no way we should ever be glorifying or holding up someone who is alleged to have done such things. At the same time, we've now gotten into a situation where, in a legal sense, we can't say that mister Roberts was the one who did it, because it's only an allegation that was never proven in court and is now not going to be tested going forward.
01:04:19
Speaker 2: Which as a lay person, Sean, I appreciate that's those are the facts, Yeah, that there are. He turned up to a police station and turned himself in for what because he was being looked for Okay, so his identity being identified, and he said, I am that person you are looking for, but I am not admitting to doing anything.
01:04:42
Speaker 4: You've said, well, that's a really good question because it never got to the point where he.
01:04:45
Speaker 12: Had to do that.
01:04:47
Speaker 2: It was Dusty eddn't trying to work it out.
01:04:49
Speaker 16: This is something that we talk about on jail quite often, about the artificial environment that is created by the law. Now it's a necessary artificial environment, but it's a glass fish bowl, it's a schroding as cat where you both are and are not guilty, have and have not done it. Until the jury opens, the lidden decides which way goes. Because in this situation, you are obliged legally to turn up if the police are looking for you, but you are not obliged to say or do anything that would incriminate you. So therefore you are a person of interest, but you are not necessarily an alleged offender. And when you're reported, but you haven't been to court yet, there's no charge on foot until the court activates that file. And if the court doesn't activate that file, which is what's happened here, then we live in this null space.
01:05:35
Speaker 2: And police have clearly provided no until to you about what's.
01:05:39
Speaker 16: Going on here, not to me, No, No, a bizarre It is something that was so very important, not just to police but to a lot of people, has fritted away in the wind like this at the eleventh hour. I mean even late in the eleventh hour, you know, eleven fifty nine, so to speak. It's just fifteen minutes before court. It's suddenly not not happening anymore. H Yeah, I've stumped you.
01:06:05
Speaker 2: Both for a change, and not me. Really the situation now, just thinking it draws some parallels to the neo Nazis that appeared in court very much so.
01:06:15
Speaker 16: Yeah, everybody that was involved in that Australia Day protest, who was charged, who was arrested, who was held in custody. We had the back and forth about whether or not the Constitution was going to be invoked, whether or not the National Socialist Network symbol was a symbol of hatred and of hate speech here in South Australia under the South Australian laws, and each one of those, as the ties has been meticulously reporting, has fallen off the vine as well has either resulted in a small penalty or more often than not, the charges simply being withdrawn and just the loitering charge remaining.
01:06:46
Speaker 3: Is it a one of with a lot of these things that casting your mind back two years ago when that fruitcake British holocaust denying idiot David Irving was trying to Australia. But part of me thinks it in a free speech sort of sense, you know, based on the principle that nothing kills maggots like sunshine. Let him stand up like the woman who thinks that the Royal family are all lizards who's been trying to get into Australia again.
01:07:11
Speaker 16: Well, you then get into the fact that there is no freedom of speech in Australia. There's only an implied right of freedom of political discs.
01:07:19
Speaker 5: I don't know.
01:07:19
Speaker 3: I think knowing that David Irving is going to be talking to you know, thirty six people in some dusty hall sort of the handy way of working out that you know, all of these people are clearly.
01:07:33
Speaker 2: Right in the head.
01:07:34
Speaker 16: There is so much hatred right now going on. I don't think there is any room for anymore. Once upon a time, I think we could have said that once upon a time it would have been thirty six people. I don't think in the age of social media it's going to be thirty six people anymore. And there's the problem because those thirty six people are not going to be exposed to the counter argument that the rest of us are listening to.
01:07:53
Speaker 3: It's right, and they're the thirty six people who would never listen to a show like this, and I don't want to have a nuance discussion about anything. Yeah, and here any rational discussion around the pros and the communs of something like this and being hi, they would say that, wouldn't they, because they get all of their information from My beliefs always be you agree with each other on cyberspace.
01:08:14
Speaker 16: Well, I mean, my belief's always been if freedom of speech does exist, then it's a right. But every right comes with a responsibility, and you're only entitled to an informed opinion, and the responsibility of a freedom of speech is having the responsibility to listen to everything and actually make an informed decision rather than just saying that fits me. I'm just going to put on those colors and barrack for it like it was a football team. You can be a one eyed footballer football supporter all you like, but there's no sense in being a one eyed ideological supporter. You've got to listen to both sides and actually make an informed decision rather than just letting yourself be sucked in by the echo chamber. During the original Trump campaign, I read Breitbart every day. Yeah, now that is completely anathema to my political beliefs, but I read it because I wanted to understand what that side of politics was saying and have some appreciation of the argument that we're being made against the things that I believed in, because I want it to be informed. You don't just wander around and say, nope, I'm putting my blinkers on and I only believe in this one thing.
01:09:10
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, by byproduct of the dehumanization of each side of politics by the other is that no one sees that any value in finding out what anyone else thinks about anything any more, unfortunately.
01:09:19
Speaker 4: Exactly which is why it shows like this and talkback is so important.
01:09:23
Speaker 2: Good on, you're sure, Yeah, there's a fascinating conversation, and albeit one, we've got row resolution on the ultimate the source of it. Maybe we never will, we won't, we won't.
01:09:33
Speaker 4: It's as simple as that. It is now over.
01:09:35
Speaker 16: It is now done with. There is no further resolution. The resolution is no different than I saw you on the street wearing something that I disagreed with as a police officer. I'm giving you a formal caution not to wear it again. That's what we've amounted to.
01:09:49
Speaker 2: I'd be I'm interested to know the format of that that caution when it's delivered to I think that'd be very interesting that you did do this, don't do it again. Yeah, that's right, good on your shore. Thank you guys. Just were you're at with? Just lawfult monk, just lawful.
01:10:05
Speaker 16: We are working our way through the very sad case that PEMBO knows very well of the death of Helen Dancy in the Vieill Gardens Pond horror story. Very horrible story, but at the same time one that needs to be told because we're uncovering some things that have never seen the light of day before in terms of the broader context in which this all occurred.
01:10:23
Speaker 3: Excellent stuff, mate, Jean fused it always love having you in mate.
01:10:27
Speaker 1: David Penberthy and Will Goodings five double a breakfast.
01:10:31
Speaker 2: Seven minutes to a David kosh in just a moment, big breaking night coming up after eight o'clock as well as before zero. Eight thirty ninety five is the Police Homecare text line and of course you can call us to an eight double two three double a double.
01:10:46
Speaker 1: David cosh on five double a breakfast.
01:10:54
Speaker 2: Well, it's a big day today for people that try and predict what the Reserved Bank is going to do when thet they next meet at Melbourne Cup Day. Will we get will rates be on hold, whether it be a cut or as some are increasingly suggesting, if not an increase this time? Are we starting to get an RBA that's at least leaning in that direction. It's because their quarterly CPI data comes out today. What's inflation doing and what are the key numbers to look for? Koshi has all that information for us.
01:11:23
Speaker 6: More a you coshy morning gents here big day eleven thirty am eastern daylight time. So September quarter is the big one. July and August monthly figures were higher than most people expect it and that's why there's a bit of caution around today. And even the other night Michelle Bullock, the boss of the Reserve Bank, was speaking to dinner. It was a little grumpy how future rate cuts at a bit persmistic. So what financial markets are saying is that there's only about a fifteen percent chance of an interest raid cut when they meet on Melbourne Cup Day next Tuesday. And before Michelle Bullock spoke the other night, it was a sixty sixty percent chance. So it's a big turnaround.
01:12:18
Speaker 2: Kosh.
01:12:18
Speaker 3: You Will and I were talking about this earlier, and I mentioned a piece that you were quoted in yesterday on news dot com where you were explaining really well, how caught in quite a pickle the Reserve Bank, isn't it, Because on the one side you've got unemployment up, but on the other side, if inflation gets back up towards three, they sort of getting pulled in both directions, aren't they?
01:12:41
Speaker 6: Oh, exactly right, because the Reserve Bank has to do two things. Part of its charter, the two pillars of its charter is to keep people in work, so keep jobs growth there and also keep inflation under control. So the figures to look out for today when they come out at eleven o'clock. If it's around two and a half percent underlying inflation rate, that's a really good result. And if it's around two point seven, if it sort of spikes up a little bit two point seven, two point eight, well the Reserve Bank will be really cautious into the future and keeping rates on the whole. If it gets to three percent, remember the August monthly figure and monthly figures are unreliable. Was three percent gets back to three percent, well the Reserve Bank is on high alert that and we'll be thinking, hey, we have a knocked inflation on the head at all. And we compare the market to a big research report the other week that found only seven percent of Australians believe cost of living has improved over the last twelve months, so ninety three percent still are in a cost of living crisis. So you know that tells you a bit about the psychology and what people are seeing at supermarkets and with their insurance bill and their energy renewal going up.
01:14:11
Speaker 2: Hey Koshi, South Australia had a big tourism win that was announced this morning. Carnival Cruises homeporting in Adelaide for the twenty twenty eight summer cruise season. This is thousands upon thousands of people coming into town. Yeah, you must be.
01:14:23
Speaker 6: Delighted, absolutely delighted. And for a big cruise line to use Adelaide as a home base is really important as well, because you know they stock up on produce and so the ripple effect right the way through the economy is really important and also really good as well. Will A Route gets its first cruise ship, second cruise ship ever in twenty twenty seven as well, so you know, Wallaroo's a great town. Your peninsula needs that bit of a fillip at the moment. Even though Wallaroo's on the western sides are really unaffected by the algill bloom, but a lot of those regional ports are really enthusiastic to get cruise lines in it as well.
01:15:18
Speaker 3: Because you can't believe this interview has been going for almost five minutes. You haven't rubbed our face in it about the showdown result last Friday, and you've hired the truck.
01:15:29
Speaker 2: I mean, what's going on?
01:15:32
Speaker 6: I know how impressive has been a really good coaching panel around Josh car Stewey due coming back. So Josh has got two former senior coaches around him and Andy Collins from Hawthorne. So going nicely but really proud of the girls because we're a really young side and building for the future.
01:15:56
Speaker 10: So and and there was.
01:16:01
Speaker 6: Like like a traditional showdown, which which I loved.
01:16:05
Speaker 3: But one point, who knows, maybe the girls will get together after the game at the rams gate.
01:16:10
Speaker 6: Yeah, that will be the next step.
01:16:18
Speaker 2: Football Cup chairman and kere of the market Ecadotic director David Kysh, speaking of numbers, overnight Apple hit a market cap in the US have four trillion dollars for a puire, even though what that is for, I'll give you, I'll give you a set gives this. This is purelyon excuse me to read out my This is purelyon excuse me to read out my favorite stat So in Vidio and Microsoft by four trillion dollars in market cap, among very few that are publicly traded that reached that level. Four trillion. So what's a trillion? I love this because truly we roll off on million, billion, trillion. What's true if you consider it in terms of seconds and time? A million seconds ago was eleven days ago. Can't remember what I was doing then. A billion seconds ago was nineteen ninety four thirty one years okay, a trillion seconds ago it was thirty one thousand BC. We have no concept of how big a number a trillion is. When Apple's worth four trillion of them, when wooly mammoths ruled the earth, When wooly mammoth ruled the earth, trillion is a big, big number. We're going to take a break. Two.
01:17:27
Speaker 3: It's a big number. Two ninety eight. If you're a ninety eight year old, give us a rien care alert smart dialer. If you were born in nineteen twenty seven, twenty seven, great band, give us a bell. There is a care alert smart light dial up waiting here for you.
01:17:44
Speaker 1: David Penberthy and World Goodings five double a breakfast no minutes after right.
01:17:49
Speaker 2: We're the weel lit about forty minutes ago and span up the lowest number we've seen yet, which was nineteen nineteen twenty seven, which meant we were looking for someone who is either ninety eight or turning ninety eight, and we were starting to think it wasn't going to happen. Well, you spin the wheel and you just never know what's going to come through. And Colin's in Largs Bay is on the line, Colin, is it correct you're ninety seven years old.
01:18:18
Speaker 10: That's correct.
01:18:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh well, congratulations to you. You've got to Cary A smart guy coming your way, a great local product. Great to chat with you. Cohen.
01:18:29
Speaker 3: Likewise, so Colin, do you mind us asking what is your earliest memory?
01:18:35
Speaker 10: My earliest memories? I don't know about my earliest memories, but I remember my mum had taken me to the bal show.
01:18:52
Speaker 2: What would that would have been in the thirties? When would have that be?
01:18:56
Speaker 10: About about thirty? I think I think I was at the first Christmas Carnival through the city.
01:19:08
Speaker 2: John Martin was Yeah, that's right, that's right. I'll tell you what.
01:19:12
Speaker 3: I was a little boy going to the show back then. That was in the that was in the days when actually had sample bags where they gave them.
01:19:19
Speaker 10: I think that they were free year the sample bags when they went to the show.
01:19:24
Speaker 2: And what what primary school did you go to? Collins?
01:19:28
Speaker 8: The Fever Score and you're still in Lags.
01:19:30
Speaker 3: So you're very much a product of the peninsula.
01:19:33
Speaker 6: Exactly have you lived there your whole life?
01:19:38
Speaker 10: Well, apart from my Navy service in World War Two, that's that's about the only place over.
01:19:49
Speaker 2: Left the poor you would have nineteen forty five where we Where were you serving or where were you? Where were you serving at that point?
01:19:57
Speaker 10: I was serving.
01:19:59
Speaker 2: Where? And do you what ship you want? I was on the quick Batch, a Q class destroy My grandfather was on the Quiberon and one of the Q class Destroyers's correct?
01:20:10
Speaker 10: Yeah?
01:20:12
Speaker 2: Wow? And did you see active service comments?
01:20:16
Speaker 10: No, not very much.
01:20:17
Speaker 3: You were right at the tail end of the war.
01:20:19
Speaker 2: Sure a happy time.
01:20:24
Speaker 10: Well, not a very happy time to be truthful, Well at the very end.
01:20:28
Speaker 14: Yeah.
01:20:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, what an amazing life you've had. You had an amazing life.
01:20:37
Speaker 2: Yes I have.
01:20:38
Speaker 10: I've done a lot of surviving, survived deterium early on, all those diseases that went on and in those years and yeah road SEDA for thirty years. Just remember ely part.
01:21:11
Speaker 3: Well Colins, We've loved having you on the show and all the very best. Thank you for entering your competition. We always love when we get our older listeners on. You know that a lot of people have forgotten about. Thank you, Colins, and have a great day.
01:21:25
Speaker 10: That's a believer.
01:21:26
Speaker 2: Ah, that was superb. That that was great. But your recalled your your grandfather and the type of ship that they are yeah, Q class destroyers. Yeah, little ships they got over from the UK. They part of I think they were part of what was derisively termed by who was his Lord Hawhaw the British broadcast that was a Nazi sympathizer that would broadcast in Germany back to England about how all the Nazis were doing. He described the group as the scrap iron Flotilla, the Australian group of ships that were serving at that point in the Mediterranean. Well, yeah, because they were all secondhand ships that we got from the UKR. I love it when we get those callers.
01:22:06
Speaker 3: That's smart, right, that was a nice little so much so that we've kept the Attorney General.
01:22:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, the state waiting. All right, let's let's get to break you note.
01:22:16
Speaker 3: Well, obviously yesterday it was a heavy show. It was dominated by the news at six forty five about the terrible mayhem that unfolded at the Thirsty Camel Bottle.
01:22:25
Speaker 2: Shop in Plympton. They're part of the Highway.
01:22:27
Speaker 3: Great pub not even close to being the first time that our pubs have been quite genuinely he can use the word in this instance, I'd say terrorized by gangs of youths, often repeat offenders who were going back to the same venues, targeting their often younger staff with violence and threats. And this is exactly what unfolded yesterday. Well hearteningly, the state government has been paying attention to the public discussion around this through our program yesterday, which is why we have the attorney on the line now. Kaile mar good morning and thanks for joining us AG. You're going to be announcing some new powers today that go specifically to this problem, aimed at keeping workers safe.
01:23:10
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:23:11
Speaker 18: Absolutely.
01:23:11
Speaker 14: Later today we'll be announcing that we'll be introducing into Parliament legislation to create workplace protection orders. This is modeled on something that happens in the Australian Capital Territory, where businesses can apply to have someone subject to a workplace protection order, so the banned essentially for up to twelve months if they're posing a thread of including personal violence to people at work. And you've highlighted one particular incident, but I think all of us want to see people in retail, in hospitality where there's or in other public facing areas as safe as they can be. I've got three teenage boys who've all worked in retail or hospitality, and no one wants to see, particularly young people subject.
01:23:54
Speaker 17: To this sort of behavior.
01:23:55
Speaker 3: Do you worry, though, that some of these young people are so hardened that it might be one of those cases is a bit like an av O with a crazed.
01:24:03
Speaker 2: Violent partner, where they're not.
01:24:06
Speaker 3: Going to be deterred because they soon to be incapable of being deterred from changing their behavior.
01:24:14
Speaker 14: I think most young people behave you can change. The other thing we're doing this week as well, though, that we're introducing legislation department for workplace protection orders, but also this week we're introducing a separate piece of legislation that I'll do today for recidivus young offenders, so that if you're committing serious crimes multiple times as a young person, you will face things like a presumption against getting bail. If you're sentenced again to time intertention, you'll have to serve like adults at least four fifths of the time you're given actually being detained. So there's a range of areas that we're looking to change our laws to try and protect the community. Workplace protection orders is one of them, but also for repeat young offenders is another one.
01:24:57
Speaker 2: So I'm just trying to tea this out. So if you breach at workplace protection order, you could face penalties up to two years imprisonment. Is that for minors as well?
01:25:10
Speaker 14: Yeah, yep, absolutely, that will apply for everyone. That will apply for adults, and that will apply for young people. That you can face these sorts of penalties.
01:25:17
Speaker 2: See the word in that sentence that I know will irritate or alarm our listeners could face penalties of up to two years imprisonment. Is there Is it written in such a way that means that this won't just be a maximum that never gets served, it will be something that actually does apply or the courts will apply.
01:25:34
Speaker 14: Well, like all the laws that Parliament makes, it'll be up to the courts to apply those. But I think used in conjunction. When you look at the other piece of legislation were introducing for recidivous young offenders, it makes it very very clear that if you commit these sorts of crimes again and again, and there's serious crimes that you shouldn't think you can just get off and be back in the community. There will be much more serious consequences.
01:25:57
Speaker 3: To Will's point though, ag and you know we all lived through the Sergio era. We all know about the Fitzgerald inquiry and everything else. We get that there's a separation of powers, but how do we as a community they maintain confidence in the capacity of the courts to bring down what I think in valid circumstances should be sentences that set an example when you have cases like the one we've been hammering on about at the Arkabar where you had the youth who actually attack someone was running around in the pub saying you're all going to die tonight. We saw the kid yesterday allegedly using a star dropper. We've seen cases where staff have been assaulted and the offenders get suspended sentences.
01:26:45
Speaker 2: Is that something new?
01:26:46
Speaker 3: As our chief law officer, worry that the courts are given out unders in too many situations.
01:26:52
Speaker 14: I'll look particularly where's and you've mentioned young people committing serious offenses on multiple occasions. Absolutely, we worry about that and we have legislation that will be in Parliament today to make sure that if it's a young person who commits two serious offenses on the third occasion there before the court, if they're given any time of detention, they have to serve at least four fists of that in jail. So absolutely, it is something we're concerned about.
01:27:17
Speaker 8: It something that we're addressing.
01:27:19
Speaker 2: Do we have a capacity problem in our prisons at the moment.
01:27:23
Speaker 14: No, We've built and I just don't have the figures in front of you, guys, but we've built many hundreds I think of new prison beds to make sure we have that capacity in our prisons. We are unapologetically introducing legislation the whole range of areas. We now have indefinite attention for this if you commit multiple serious child sex offenses, which makes you end up being in jail, possibly for the rest of your life, without a chance of ever getting out. And we think these things are appropriate, but we do recognize when you have these sorts of sensors, you do need to make sure you have capacity.
01:27:56
Speaker 3: Kai mar our Attorney General and Deputy Premier, thank you for joining us this morning.
01:28:00
Speaker 2: It on something.
01:28:04
Speaker 3: It's something, and the fact that the fast track that shows that all of all of us ranting and raving quite rightly yesterday was being listened to.
01:28:13
Speaker 2: We've got a response. But I'll believe it when I see a.
01:28:15
Speaker 3: Camp totally, totally, totally, when we get kids Chuck and stardroppers it, you know, pub staff.
01:28:26
Speaker 2: You know what we don't have on this program people knocking down our door trying to come on advocating that there are too many young people unfairly in prison. Yeah. Yeah, So so we when we start getting people saying we've over corrected or we've corrected in a way like let's just wait and see, shall we. We've had a lot of people that have talked tough about crime and nothing's changed.
01:28:48
Speaker 3: Do you remember a couple of years ago, we had a great call from a guy about how he went to juvenile detention in the nineteenes, yes or fifty great call and he said, I was just off the I was doing stupid things. I was I was getting into fights, stealing cars, and he went he went to juvie for like three months, and he said it totally changed his life.
01:29:11
Speaker 2: He said, he just was in this cell.
01:29:15
Speaker 3: Mightn't have even been three months, it might have been less, but he said, I had this total epiphany where I thought, I am just you know, watting my life away. And he got out and he's a solid citizen. Like that's sort of the purpose of prison, is it not? And if it doesn't really matter. I mean, if you're ten years old, really massively problematic. But if you if you're fifteen, sixteen, you're not at school, you've got none of the props. I mean, clearly the parents are derelict in these cases. You know, ninety nine point nine percent of parents know where their kids are up to the age of twenty one at any given hour of the day or night.
01:29:51
Speaker 2: But if these.
01:29:53
Speaker 3: The older young people could benefit like our listener did, from having that life changing moment that makes them address their behavior. But that seems to be the farthest thing from people's minds in the juvenile crime space these days.
01:30:09
Speaker 2: You met that shocking statistic he's press conference yesterday that was something like twenty young people responsible about eleven percent of all matters before the Youth Court. Yeah, well, what are we doing? Yeah, yeah, what are we doing?
01:30:25
Speaker 1: Let's hope this is the fixed David Penberthy and World Goodings five double a breakfast.
01:30:31
Speaker 2: Twenty five minutes after a lot of feedback coming through the Police Hope Care text line, where people are in the very much in the wait and see camp. When it comes to the government's new approach to dealing with repeat young offenders.
01:30:43
Speaker 3: Massive boy who cried will factor for the judiciary when it comes to the existence versus the application of tough sentences. Well, we pushed what was going to be another breaking backwards today on account of the focus on crime. But we have got Phraser Ellis to remember for Narranga on the line now independent member for and this is about the fishing bands because Fraser Elis has had basically front row seat for the worst of the algill Bloom as the state member for the electric that covers the York Peninsula, and he's got some real concerns about the impact of the fishing bands that have been announced by the state government and is arguing that the government needs to open the snapper fishery in Spencer Golf for recreational fishes and charter boats to offset the damage that's going to be done by the changes to bag and boat limits announced last week. Fraser, good morning and thank you for joining us. You know this area like the back of your hand. I'm imagining you wouldn't be saying this unless the locals were saying, and the fishers were saying that the snapper are back.
01:31:44
Speaker 8: I hear all the time how many snapper there are particularly steps of golf at the moment, and how the band seems have done the trick and the stocks have recovered, and we need to give them a reason to come here and spend their tours of money. So I reckon we could open it up for a limited catch one or two fish or whatever the number might be, and give the reckfish as a chance to travel, the wife be and enjoy their time here.
01:32:06
Speaker 3: Because as you're worry at the moment that a lot of people are just thinking, well, with the bag limits being down, it's just.
01:32:10
Speaker 2: Not worth it.
01:32:12
Speaker 8: Yeah, particularly those that travel and visitors. I mean the idea that you'd come all the way out here and go out, put the boat in the water, go through the rigmarole of all of that process for half the bag limit that there was before. I think the message that I've been hearing is that it's probably not going to be worth it, and unless something changes, we might miss out on that tourism spent. And you know, it hasn't been the greatest harvest season, or it's not going to be the greatest harvest season. So if we have a pretty poor tours in one too, it could be double whammying a really bad blow for our community.
01:32:39
Speaker 3: The other thing too, is I mean, because the Snapper ben's been in place for almost a decade now years, what's your what are you hearing about what the government knows about stock levels now? Because pers are going to release some figures soon, aren't they.
01:32:56
Speaker 8: For the per website tells us that the next Snacker Snappers assessment will be due to Happy handed the government next month in November. The idea that they've made this decision to extend the band for a year, mere weeks before the next stock assessment will be handed in, I think is reasonably egregious and at least they could have waited to see what that says before they extended this decision. And the other thing that's worth bearing in mind is it the longer this temporary measure keeps getting extended into permanency, it makes the general populace sort of wonder whether these bag limits that have been reharved will ever be returned to the full limit that they were before, or whether this will be another Snapper band that goes on indefinitely.
01:33:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to bring Ryan Valenti into this discussion. We had Ryan on the show. A couple of days ago. He runs reef encounters fishing charters in Mariam Bay. Ryan does that gill with your assessment of it? As someone who works on the water, do you think the snapper could handle this?
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Speaker 20: Yeah, absolutely, guys. I mean as president of the Charter Association as well, you know, I've got the benefit of being able to speak on behalf of I guess the whole industry as well. And it's widespread across the board that we're all noticing, you know, unpresented numbers of snapper. And honestly, when this Burns that band first came into into play, we didn't necessarily you know, we knew that something needed to be done with snapper. We're in trouble is, particularly in areas where they migrate to breed.
01:34:25
Speaker 6: In the Gulfs.
01:34:27
Speaker 20: However, now every year it's becoming increasingly difficult to actually avoid these fishes by catch. And I think, you know, we've got some we've got some great work that's been done by starting in person, and you know, there's definitely validity behind the science and the work they're doing. However, we truly believe that there's some serious limitations with that science and what we can really understand about what those stock levels are and to me, I really think that there's a big disconnection there between the tangible evidence in the field, which as I said, is just quite overwhelming and it can potentially throw a real imbalance into the system when we're having consistently time and time again try and isolate down onto those other species which are going to feel the brunt of that increased fishing effort.
01:35:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, I think you both make good points, and you do them from a position of knowledge. Fraser Elis the member for Narranga and Ryan Valenti from Reef Encounters, Fishing Charters, Thank you.
01:35:26
Speaker 1: David Penberthie and World Goodings five Double A Breakfast.
01:35:30
Speaker 2: Twenty txhib minutes to nine. Who's excited to go on a cruise? You're going to be furnished with more opportunities in South Australia soon. As we spoke with Coshi about this before eight o'clock, Carnival Cruises will be homeporting in Adelaide for the twenty twenty eight summer cruise season. It means the Carnival Adventure that fits two thousand, six hundred and thirty six people on board will be here in February March of that year, you can go. They're going to do cruises to Kangaro Island and Port Lincoln ranging from three to five nights. Also be a three night one way voyage from Adelaide to Sydney departing March fourteen, twenty twenty eight. So if you're into cruisers, there's a couple of big years coming up here in Adelaide. We're going to talk about it with Phil Hoffman travel very shortly.
01:36:12
Speaker 3: I was just alert to the fact that the Premier he received a question yesterday during question time about the Snapper band and where he said he is aware of anecdotal evidence, Facebook posts and so on. And while we're chatting, Scott a made of mine who has got a place in the burg, he texted me a video showing Snapper just gone berserk in the water.
01:36:35
Speaker 11: Well.
01:36:35
Speaker 3: The Premier said in question time that he's aware. He said that when he was on Christmas holidays, he did a charter and people were bailing him up, saying this Snapper everywhere at the Snapper are back after the band's been in place for eight years, and he has said that the government is open minded about it. We're not going to be guided by what we see on Facebook. We have to go with what Sardi and Pursa are telling us, but we will continue to scrutinize it. We will continue to ask the questions and if there is an opportunity to provide some relief in some places at a certain period of time without there being adverse effects, I am as keen as Mustard to do it, which will be music that use a lot of Fishows have been texting a since oir interview with Fraser Elis saying lift it. So it sounds like it's potentially under consideration by the government. Well, I am super excited about this next story. What a remarkably creative and cool idea for a play. So this was voted the best performance at this year's Edinburgh Fringe. And for those of you who aren't culture vultures, listen up because it's a play that combines sport with the story of one of the greatest Australian athletes of all time, Cadell Evans, the first and only Ossie ever to win the Tour the France. The play is called Cadell Lungs on Legs and it stars just one performer, Connor Delves, who comes from a cycling background himself, with both his parents are great cyclist and he's come up with his awesome play and he does it on stage on a bicycle. Not just a bicycle, but the same bicycle that Caddell Evans was riding when he won the Tour de France. Kind of joins us now from his base in New York City. What a terrific idea for a play.
01:38:35
Speaker 21: Thanks guys, it's great to be with you, and it's so so exciting to be continuing with this play after what was kind of a whirlwind experience in Edinburgh and seeing how people react to sport on stage but also Ossie sport on stage. It's obviously a icon of Australian story and one that I was really passionate about bringing to the theater.
01:38:56
Speaker 2: So did you write the whole thing yourself?
01:38:58
Speaker 5: Is this? Like?
01:38:59
Speaker 2: Is your baby?
01:39:01
Speaker 21: Certainly my baby? I co wrote it with a playwright friend of mine, Steve McMahon. We were sitting in a pub watching the Olympics two years ago in Edinburgh. I was doing a different show and we're just talking about how myself as coming from an athlete background and there was never really this level of endurance sport being done on the stage with any level of authenticity, and Steve turned me and said, well, why don't you do it? I said, okay, mate, I will. I called him a few months later and said, I've got this idea. You know, I grew up in my parents' bike shop and Kedell was someone that changed the tapestry of Australian sport for me and for many people around Australia. And what do you think about coming on board and co writing it with me? And he said when do we start?
01:39:46
Speaker 11: So?
01:39:47
Speaker 2: Is it physically grueling to perform?
01:39:49
Speaker 21: Yeah, that's definitely the idea. The day one idea was that I ride live on stage for the whole performance, and that's what happens. So we did twenty six in a row in Edinburgh with some added shows in there, and dialed into a Wahoo trainer, which is what the guys on the Tour de France train and warm up on indoors. So I'm, you know, simulating the mountains of the Pyrenees. We're dialing up. I'm using all the gears in the big chain ring. There's no hiding what I'm doing. So getting into the physical shape, you know, an athlete anyway, but getting into the shape for the show whilst also speaking for an hour is a unique challenge, but I enjoyed it.
01:40:29
Speaker 2: So you did twenty six shows in a row, and what Tour de France is about twenty three days, so you've actually you've actually arguably gone harder than Cadel Evans did.
01:40:39
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:40:40
Speaker 21: Well, you know, they say that doing a grand tour being about three and a half weeks is one of the greatest achievements, and I'd like to think that doing it on stage is somewhat simulating that too.
01:40:49
Speaker 3: Do you know kind of how many CA's you cover in the course of one show?
01:40:53
Speaker 21: Yeah, I do, So we were averaging about twenty seven point two k's a stage or a day, so it's a fair whack considering you know, there's a few times that are jumping on and off of the bike for various incidents that happened in Cadell's career, and it's framed around the time trial, which is how Kidel won the twenty eleven tour, and there are moments that I'm going around, you know, forty five fifty ks an hour on the stage, So the front row is certainly copying a fair bit of splash zone action with my sweat and all the water bottles.
01:41:24
Speaker 2: So it sounds like that the drama in the story is largely around the cycling itself. Is that accurate because I would imagine a lot of playwrights would tend towards something in if you were going to tell the story, you'd find the drama and the action in something that was happening away from the track that might inform the action on it. But it sounds like you've gone it's very much about the cycling yep.
01:41:46
Speaker 4: One hundred percent.
01:41:46
Speaker 21: I wanted to bring professional cycling and sport to the stage in its true form, and the argument that I put to the producers and to a few other people you know around the world and when speaking to people about it is that is the drama. You know, we as people that take on entertainment, whether that be on television or live you know Australian's Love live sport, and it's drama in itself and bringing that to the stage, I was just really certain that people would respond to seeing the effort and the way that Kadell did it is so dramatic in itself, so I was really confident that that would sell and entice people.
01:42:25
Speaker 3: Now, Connor, you got to tell us we understand that in Edinburgh you had a very special guest in the audience, none other than the voice of cycling himself, Phil Lego.
01:42:34
Speaker 11: What was that like?
01:42:36
Speaker 21: That was probably one of the more profound kind of moments of my life. I mean it's not an over exaggeration to say that Phil's voice kind of you know, raised me because I was never allowed to stay up late. Both my parents maybe train early in the mornings. I hope they won't mind me saying that, but staying up late and listening to Phil Liggett really defined a lot of my childhood and what the sport is and about how the sport's open about as well. So to have him come up he had just finished commentating the tour, which is still commentating. He had three days before commentating the tour to fem He came up to Edinburgh from France and watched the very first time we'd ever done this in front of an audience. So fair to sales Packing it that he was in the front row with his wonderful wife, but it was a really unbelievable experience because he was so generous with his time leading up to the show and then seeing his reaction, he stayed backstage after and came up to me and said, that was Cadel Evans. You are Cadel Evans, which changed my life.
01:43:33
Speaker 2: Really, it's amazing.
01:43:35
Speaker 3: You know, as we've been talking, I can't think of many instances where art and sport have overlapped. I mean, you get things like The Club by David Williamson as he rules, there's probably you could argue a film like Raging Bull is not just about boxing. It's about a man's descent into violence. Uh DeNiro's there should be more of this because I think for people that aren't artie and this is one of the great things about the Fringe. It's an only shamedly populist event. This is a great entry point for people who wouldn't otherwise go to a play.
01:44:12
Speaker 21: Yeah, exactly, I think the thing that I wanted to do. You know, I grew up playing footy. I'm a big Eagles man, which is not the team to be supporting at the moment. But cycling, Yeah, lots of drama.
01:44:24
Speaker 2: That could be your next play. Rod of tragedy about the West Coast.
01:44:28
Speaker 21: That's right, plenty of drama. But wanting to get, you know, the guys that I was training with and playing with getting them into the theater. You know, I was kind of this rare case of being an actor but also an athlete, and none of the guys that I would train with or play with would go to the theater. And it thought made me think, you know, how do I get men to the theater? Because you know, blokes love watching Netflix, they love watching live sport, and I thought, well, if I can bring that level of authenticity to the stage, that's something that we'll get them in the doors and open up potentially new ways for them to engage with entertainment that they might not have done before. And that's exactly what happened in Edinburgh. We had men in the audience crying every day, and majority male audience, lots of couples coming, lots of actual cyclists coming, and the cycling community has really gotten behind it as well. So that was really my priority number one.
01:45:22
Speaker 3: It's amazing. I'm really excited about seeing this next year at the at the fringe conn of Delves and what a great thing you've done. It's going to be amazing and it's going to be on at the main theater at Goodwood Studios, Goodwood Theater and Studios next February and March, and lovely chatting to you mate.
01:45:40
Speaker 2: We hope to see you when you're in town for the for the Fringe.
01:45:43
Speaker 21: Thanks guys, looking forward to being down in Adelaide.
01:45:46
Speaker 2: It's a great concept, good idea. We'd Shane Warren the musical in recent years. That's true as well, but you're right it is potentially fertile ground for storytelling. Movies have done lots, but not on I guess it's the it's recreate heading scenes from sport on stages. I guess the impediment cycling you can sort of approximate, but it's other things are quite difficult.
01:46:10
Speaker 3: Thing which famous directors could you get to make sort of cinematic versions of moments in history of the Adelaide and Port Adelaide football clubs. I'd like to see a movie called the Camp by David Lynch, or perhaps where's Craven's horrific reimagining of the twenty seventeen Grand Final A mayor at the MCG.
01:46:33
Speaker 2: I think David Lynch, director.
01:46:36
Speaker 3: The two thousand and seven Grand Final. Yeah good, wouldn't it just call it one hundred and nineteen.
01:46:41
Speaker 2: Phil Hoffman joins us from Phil Hoffman Travel. I imagine cocker hoope about the opportunities that lay ahead for cruz enthusiasts in the twenty eighth summer Cruz season. Phil, How big a deal is it that Carnival are basing their ship here.
01:46:57
Speaker 18: It's a big deal, a really big deal because we love P and O and we lost over fifty visitations to South Astraia, so it's put a big hole in our cruise programs in and out of Adelaide. So to replace it with Carnival, which I think will be very good and it will start this sort of getting out the cruise lines that I want to come to South Australia as well, because SATC and the Minister that have been working very hard on this, trying to get more ships back in. But people think it happens overnight, but a lot of the itineries are written up two years ahead. So that's why it's twenty and twenty seven and twenty eight. But it's great news that Carnivals realize the potential of South Australia. Pro the COVID guys, we were really starting to generate what we call a lot of home porting and people going away and coming straight back into South Astray on circumnavigations around around Australia. So I think it's a great, great achievement by SATC to get this, to win it, and I think we'll see a lot more cruise ships wanting to come back into Adelaide because Victoria has hurt itself by putting you extra port charges on and making it uncompetitive. And that's the thing that we've always got to watch in Australia. We can be too dear with expenses, you know of ships coming in and out, and then they won't come here because they'll go to places where they're welcome.
01:48:14
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:48:14
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Phil you mentioned covid mate. How to what extent is the cruise sector bounce back?
01:48:21
Speaker 18: It's come back and right over the top again. Now, David, you know it's a it's a past memory, a memory we don't want to have you it's a bad dream. But it certainly certainly stopped cruising for that period of time. But the momentum worldwide now it's increasing around about twelve to fifteen percent per year on year on year, and so the number of people because I think, David, they found how great value it is you have to be on a cruise ship. You know, with both your accommodation, your entertainment, your food, you're traveling your transport all in one package, and you're buying it here in Australian dollars, so you're not going and going through exchanges all the time when you know how week our dollar is overseas at the moment. And so I think that's why it's gone so well. But also, David, the baby boomer market has just accelerated the amount of trouble they want to do because they're suddenly realizing and on one of them, we're in the last quarter and we don't know how long that last quarter is going to last, how long time on as well, so we're accelerating our spend. We're taking our kids away, our grandchildren away, and so we're seeing a lot more travel by the baby boomer market, but also the younger market who's got money. They're saying, well, we're looking at the value of cruising and it's so good and we've got from top to bottom, from luxury to the bottom, depending on your budget and for who you're taking away, whether it's the grandchildren, whether it's your kids or you're just going with other couples or just going on your own.
01:49:50
Speaker 2: Good stuff feel very exciting time, Bill people love cruising. Phil Hoppin from Phil Hoffman, travel It, David.
01:49:56
Speaker 1: Penberthy and Will Goodings five double a breakfast.
01:50:00
Speaker 2: Five minutes to nine. Let's have look at the fuel situation on this Wednesday morning. Is better to be a member with raa road service. The general vibe is high dollar fifties. You can get it to cheapest at the Yugo West High Marsh for a dollar fifty six point nine. The mobile blair Athole dollar fifty seven point five is pretty good. Otherwise you're looking at a price like at the Liberty at Camden Park at a dollar sixty one point nine. The diesel for diesels, the Solo windsor Gardens dollar sixty four point five is really good, so almost negligent. It's a negligible gap between unleaded and diesel today, which is a bit of a rarity.
01:50:36
Speaker 3: Yes, you don't often see that dollar fifty anything of the dollar fifties you'll take from Our thoughts are with the people of Jamaica. Hopefully the next few hours aren't as.
01:50:46
Speaker 2: Bad as some have been. Predicting.
01:50:49
Speaker 3: I loved our interview earlier with the Honorable Desmond Mackenzie, the Jamaican Minister of Local Government Community Development. What a gracious man giving us his time in the middle of the the mailstrom of Hurricane Melissa.
01:51:04
Speaker 2: Yes, Melissa. According to Scenenna reporting this morning that seven people have died as a result of the hurricane in total, three in Jamaica during the preparation phase, three in Haiti, and one of the Dominican Republic. But as the Minister was telling us, it was all very much unfolding whilst we're talking to him. They were in no position to make an assessment about what the damage was whilst they were well. In fact, when we were speaking to him, it was being reported that the large part of Jamaica was in the literally in the eye of the storm. So in coming hours we'll find out more, but hopefully it's a non event that would be terrific.
01:51:38
Speaker 3: Absolutely a lot of texts here Alan in all Dinger saying that his mates who go fishing all the time, I reckon that there's heaps of snapper out there and that hopefully they're going to be lifting the band. He says, Finally, we've got people talking common sense. The snapper band should be lifted now, Alan in West Beach, all dinger and a mountain of texts expressing hope but real doubt about the conversation we had as part of breaking it up with the Attorney General KaiA Maher about the new laws that are going to be revealed later today, new powers to keep workers safe whereby workers will be given better protections under laws that will allow for applications to be made to the courts to bar violent or intimidating patrons, and the penalty for reoffending after they've been listed as violent patrons would be penalties of up to two years.
01:52:36
Speaker 2: The key word, as you said, will is up to The real concerning thing that came through on the text line just to round out the program, was the number of people that would like to see a documentary on the Crow's camp. I'm terrified you put that out into the world. Graham goodings off crooks stick around for belief, borist, sound like Christal.
01:53:02
Speaker 4: Last Am, recognize this is tradi or nowhere He's ready, man, it's a lot of use says this is traded.
01:53:13
Speaker 15: Don't nowhere