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We welcome you to this episode of Faculty Off the Clock, a podcast series hosted by the College of Charleston's Office of the Provost that highlights the personal and lighter sides of our campus's professors.
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I'm Mark Del Mastro, and I'm Chris Corey, Associate Provost, and your host for Faculty Off the Clock.
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For this episode, we welcome Professor David Wyman, Associate Professor of Entrepreneurship, Director of the Center for Entrepreneurship and Associate Chair of Management and Marketing.
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Hey guys, I'm excited to be here.
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Thank you.
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Well, Dr.
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Wyman, uh, we start off, although we're not really uh focused on your life here at the CFC, we did want to get a sense of how you ended up here at the College of Charleston.
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So if I go back to the real quick origins, uh originally um I was a toy inventor.
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So I designed toys and games.
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I did that for many, many years after college.
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And then one day I got taken to Colorado and fell in love with Colorado, and so I ended up living, moving to Colorado.
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I got married, moving to Colorado.
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And in Colorado what I discovered was um there were no toy companies there, there were no um toy mentors, no designers or anything like that in those days.
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So I decided to do something crazy different, and so I spent a year teaching junior high and senior high.
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And um when I came out of that program, it was called Project Promise, where they took uh executive professionals and put them into teaching.
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And I discovered I had a love of teaching, I ended up teaching in Colorado State, and from there I moved to University of San Diego, which was fantastic.
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And then you know, a little step sidestep.
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I ended up in Clemson for six years.
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And somewhere along those years I picked up a PhD and in 2013 I got um hired here to be the director of the Center for Entrepreneurship.
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So it's been twelve glorious years.
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Well, we're we're certainly gonna have to explore a little later your toy and game design, because that's extremely intriguing.
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Um but before we get into your off-campus diversions uh and interest in hobbies, tell us a little bit about your life.
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Where are you originally from, born and raised?
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Yeah, so I'm a I'm a half and off.
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So I was born in England and as a little kid my parents immigrated to the States.
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So I grew up in Washington, DC, mostly, um, which was uh a great place to grow up, except for our baseball team lost all the games and they ended up ended up moving to Texas.
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Do you like baseball being from the UK?
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Well I did in those days because I considered myself American.
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Okay.
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Because you know I was you know came up as a little kid over here.
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Sure.
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And then um after that, um so I moved around uh my parents lived in Washington and Baltimore, and then when I was sixteen, they sent me back to boarding school in England.
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And um and then I came over one year and they asked me, Do you have a green card?
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So I showed it to the guy.
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And then after section twelve forty seven B, they took it away.
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And from those days onwards I considered myself English.
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And uh so I ended up being a good English guy, went to a lot of the pubs, married an English girl, you know, went to college there, all the formative stuff in England.
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And then uh 20 years later, I ended up moving to the States.
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Uh, I met a uh this uh lawyer, my dad actually was living in the States at the time, he set me up with this lawyer, and the guy goes, You're American.
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I said, I am.
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I'm delighted to be how that and what he did was he's he um basically he said that as you um your parents were naturalized American citizens when you were a minor, so that makes you an American citizen.
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But I've never tried tried to get this twenty five years later.
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And uh so and I ended up having to ha an interview which was sign this paper.
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I signed this paper.
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I said, I'm supposed to go back to England in two days, which I do.
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And she took my British passport, grabbed out my immigration pass, and uh said, Go get an American passport.
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And so I did the next day in Stanford, Connecticut.
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It was a little bit easier, I think, those days these days.
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Yeah, and that was 1993, and within three months I'd moved back to uh the States and I've been here ever since.
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That's a great story.
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So uh growing up as a kid in DC, did you you have an uh interest like uh that you like to do?
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Yeah, so I was a total American kid in those days, so I loved all sports.
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Um I my brother had a newspaper route and I was five years younger.
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It's a recurring thing.
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Everyone has a newspaper route.
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Yeah, tough luck on the kids today.
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No newspapers.
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And so what he would do is on s uh Sundays, he would ask me to help deliver it because the Washington Post was such a big newspaper.
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And uh so I was like five years old, but I was totally sports crazy.
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So what I would do is um I would do it for free, which was a bad bargain as an entrepreneur.
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And I would do it for free as long as he let me read the sports section first.
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You know, and so that was you know so I was tired.
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That was the deal.
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That was the deal.
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Did you have a uh vac uh did you d do vacations when you were growing up?
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And if so, did you have a favorite location?
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Well, my parents had a tough time initially, you know.
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So um when they first came over, my dad um I remember is when I was three, four years old, he ran a gas station, you know, just outside of uh DC.
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And that was terrible.
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Um he lost money all the time because whenever he didn't turn up to work, all of a sudden the um all the guys took the money, you know.
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So it was very uh not a not a salubrious business.
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Okay.
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And um but he made his way up all through the thing.
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So on vacations, we mostly stayed in state and just went to um Ocean City, which is on the coast.
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Brilliant place.
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Yeah, wonderful.
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Yeah, fantastic as a little kid.
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Yeah.
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Uh so you you talked about uh working the paper out with your brother.
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That was um other memorable jobs you had as a kid growing up?
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Uh I also um when I was about twelve years old, um he gave me his lawn cutting route.
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So I so I mowed lawns and everything like that.
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Um so that was great.
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When I was 15, I had my first formal job, you know, which was wonderful Baskin Robbins at a buck thirty five an hour.
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Free ice cream?
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Uh 31 ice creams, yeah.
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What was your favorite?
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Oh, I'm definitely pralines and creams.
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Okay.
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You know, every every time I finished the job, you know, uh I'd make myself a pralines and cream milkshake.
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And that was You never got sick of it, huh?
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I only worked there for a year or so.
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Okay.
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So but it was it was great fun.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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So um we have a dog.
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Um his name is Murphy.
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Uh I guess it's like Murphy's Law.
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You know, if he can do anything wrong, he does.
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But he's now he's now fifteen years old, so he's he's really slowed down.
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Aaron Powell Do you ha did you have a pet growing up?
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We had a German Shepherd dog.
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Oh, they're wonderful animals.
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Just one?
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Uh well, one time we had 10, but that was because of nine puppies.
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You know.
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So game designer and and uh toy designer, did you have like a favorite board game or something that inspired you?
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Um well as a little kid, uh we all I loved all games.
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You know, so I loved Game of Life, Monopoly, Risk was uh dearing favorite.
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Um but no more inordinate amount of games.
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So I did not do Dungeons and Dragons DD or any of those things.
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Were these family activities or did you do them with your friends?
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Oh, this is all just friends.
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Okay.
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When you played Risk, did you have a a certain part of the board you like to start on?
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No, but we um you know one of the things that we always did was we always modified the rules because if you look at a lot of these traditional games like Monopoly or Risk, they take too long.
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They sure do.
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So we would have RISC nights where you would play Risk till two o'clock in the morning.
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And later in life, we might have some other um celebrations with it.
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So we had games modified the rules to make it so you could all get it over and done with within 25 minutes.
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Oh, I'd like that so a previous guest brought us a 1980s version of RISC.
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So maybe we could get that accelerated rule so we could play in the office.
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We're gonna focus a little bit on your childhood grammar school years that you had referenced before, Dave.
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And we're hoping you could share with us a fun fact from your from those school uh grammar school years and and what you think might be amusing to our guests.
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Well, I d I don't know if this is amusing, but I I think what's kind of interesting is if you take my first year at school, I was in first grade in uh Carrollton, Maryland, you know, which is just outside DC.
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And if you think back about it, I remember going in in the first couple weeks of class, we would all do drills where, you know, we were all worried about getting bombed by the Russians.
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And so we would all have to put our heads underneath our the desks, you know, and stay there for a minute or two minutes.
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You guys are too young for that.
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But it was, you know, the idea that somehow you could be saved from a nuclear bomb by putting your head underneath the desk is very much uh Yeah, my dad used to tell me those stories and said it was it was terrifying, you know, because he th really thought it was it was gonna happen.
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Yeah.
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It was.
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With that textbook on your head, that's extra protection.
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Oh yeah, absolutely.
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Bullproof.
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Same fun fact question from your high school years.
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Uh from my high school years, um so um when I was sixteen, I was um uh my parents were moving from Maryland to Connecticut, so they gave me a choice.
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You can either move to Connecticut or you can go to boarding school.
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And my mom was a big uh Anglophile, so it was pretty obvious that I should go to boarding school.
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And um so I went to boarding school in a place called Taunton in Somerset, which is the west side of England.
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And what was kind of cool was in England, um, you know, to be able to have uh a drink or anything like that, you just have to look like you're 18.
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You don't you don't, you know, there's none of the 21 or anything like that.
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And so when we were in school, we would all uh not all of us, but a small group, we would uh at eight o'clock they have a recession from when you do your homework.
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And so we'd go off to this one pub and you have to go across the railway tracks around the corner and everything like that.
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And the headmaster and his people had tried to bust the pub with against students a number of times.
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So they were banned from the pub.
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And so in those days, uh a a pint was 17p.
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So you would take 50 P and or 52 P and you'd either have to lend somebody a penny or borrow, you know, or or um borrow a penny so that you could have three pints before going back to uh assembly at 9 30.
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It's a little bit different from most American.
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Oh yeah, no, I love pop culture in the UK and you know, and uh and actually what's also fairly interesting, you know, I uh it's not like I drink a lot or anything like that, but was when I um was at college, you know, in the very first week of college, um what we did was the dean invited all of us over to actually have um you know gin and tonics or beers and like different time.
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You know, very different time.
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And when I played rugby um at um so I played uh first team rugby for my high school team.
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And when I played rugby, you know, one day I got somehow blessed to score a try or whatever, you know, which is like a touchdown.
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And when you score a touchdown, if you're the two of us got invited back to the Masters Common Room where we were all shared a couple pints with them.
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You know, so it's a very different society, you know, very much more at ease with uh alcohol and everything like that.
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Um I don't know that the Brits have any higher alcoholism rate or anything like that from there.
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It's just a different society.
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How long did you play rugby for?
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Okay.
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So I played rugby all through uh high school and college.
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Wow, and uh loved it.
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Uh you know, and then uh I tried to play one time in the States.
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I looked at playing.
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I was in Colorado.
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I thought, oh, I'll go play.
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And then I saw all the rugby players were all ex-American football players.
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They're a little on the big side.
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So they're all six foot five.
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I was like 32 years old at the time.
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I don't think so.
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What position did you play?
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So I played um winger, which is uh sort of the I was a slow, fast guy on the outside.
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Okay.
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You know, and then I also played a position, my favorite position was fullback, and that's the person whose last line of defense, so you get to kick the ball and run the ball and everything like that.
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Oh wow.
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Yeah, so it was a lot of fun.
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Great game.
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Great game.
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Well, you you talked about going to the pub uh playing playing rugby as an undergraduate, other like where you went as an undergrad and sort of other interesting stories from that time.
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Yeah, so um so in England w in those days, I went to Cambridge, so I was at Queen's College, Cambridge.
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But when you go to Cambridge in those days, you took what they call a a gap year.
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So you apply and you do um you come back for one semester where you have to take these special exams to get into Cambridge or Oxford, and then for the next nine months, you know, you have to get a job.
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So what was kind of different is so I I looked at jobs and I ended up uh there's two jobs available in England in those days.
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One was as a bakery assistant.
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Uh-huh.
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I don't know about that one.
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But the other one was sounding like, oh, this is sounds like fun.
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And it was as a croupier, uh dealing roulette and blackjack.
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Uh-huh.
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So I spent uh uh you know basically nine months and then one summer you know as a croupier.
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So I dealt roulette and blackjack on the south coast of England at a casino.
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Oh, wonderful.
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Huh.
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So do you do you um do you also like to play those now that you were on the other side of the table?
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Uh that that's a great question.
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I do not have to.
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No more casinos, huh?
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You know, I I loved my job as a croupier.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely adored it.
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And you know, it was kind of I was always pretty mathematical as a kid.
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So when you have, you know, 17 times 12 plus, you know, nine times 35, I was pretty quick at doing that.
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So that was fun.
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So I uh the whole idea as a croupier is keep the customers fat satisfied, smile at them a lot, and then just make it go as quick as possible.
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So they you know, the more bets they can do in an hour.
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And uh so I actually you know got to know lots of people.
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We um but like we had one guy, Monty, who owned six closing stores in South England and um he won d drove a Rolls-Royce, you know, all the accruants when he'd come in, his wife you know had furs on and everything like that in southern England.
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So it was you know, this is mid-70s, so it was kind of really out of uh you know, very in keeping in those times.
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But you know, the following summer, by the end of my nine months, he was down to one store and lost the Rolls-Royce from because from gambling.
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Wow.
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Yeah, so and then he um I went off to Cambridge, he stopped gambling, and then I came back the following summer.
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And about two months later, maybe six weeks later, all of a sudden Monty was back.
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He was back, he had three stores now, and I was like, oh no, Monty, I don't want to see you, you know.
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Please no.
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Yeah, so so that really um I guess extinguished the urge to be uh gambling on the asset.
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When you were um dealing, did they did they um give you training about how to catch people counting cars and things doing blackjack?
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Could you tell?
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Well, actually the way they have it is we have uh a thing called a shoe.
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So um you have uh three sets of cards, maybe more, and you put it into a shoe and then you put a red card in, so you never get all the way to the end of the cards.
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So um in those days, uh I don't think it was very easy to count cards.
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All you could really do is you know, you have a slight ratio of there might be a higher draw of a ten or a face card or not.
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Um but you'd have to play a l awful lot um to m to be to beat the bank.
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Yeah.
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You know, um so it's a different system.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It was fun.
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A lot of fun.
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A great job, I tell you.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh yeah, it's not like being a bartender.
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You just like all kinds of people.
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Yeah.
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Well, you went to graduate school much later.
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So like what was that like as going back to school after having some some time in the in the world of work?
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Okay, so what I did initially was I went um after college, um because I enjoyed the pub culture.
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I I took a job up in Liverpool working for the largest beer company in England.
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What beer company was that?
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It was called Ally Breweries.
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So they owned more breweries and more pubs than anybody else.
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Uh still around?
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They're still around.
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Uh is there a beer they make that we might recognize?
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They uh uh uh probably double diamond long life.
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Ring a bell for you.
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I mean, I do like beer, but yeah.
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Yeah, but they they all got um you know but what they would do is they do a separate beer in the south, separate beer in northwest and so on like that, because they were all regional breeders.
00:17:49.759 --> 00:18:03.359
And um but uh after three months there, uh you know, I realized that uh as much as Liverpool is um an interesting city, I realized that I did not want to live in Liverpool, the rest and I really wanted to get into marketing in those days.
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And they said, Well, if you just spend five more years doing this, you can get into marketing.
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And the job was not bad, but it was going to things like pubs all day long, warehouses, this you know, giving away beer.
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And I just didn't really everybody who was in the working for Allied Breweries for years, you know, they were either really rotund because they drank so much beer, or they were not drinking beer at all because they were alcoholics.
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Okay.
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You know, and so it was kind of interesting that so many of them were, you know, the sales guys were alcoholics and did not drink beer.
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Yeah.
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So after that I got a job in um I met these two guys at toy fair.
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My dad was in the toy business.
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I met these two guys, and after 15 minutes, they were desperate.
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So they offered me a job at double the wages I was earning.
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And so next thing I knew, I'd never been to Germany.
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I didn't speak any German.
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Next thing I knew I was in um Nuremberg at the toy fair in uh Germany and ended up living in Munich for three years.
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And then to back to your question, it was after that I came back to England, I did my MBA initially.
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And then after my MBA, I did my own toy company for um twenty odd years.
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And then later in the 2000s, I did my PhD.
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What was the name of the toy company?
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So I it was my own company, so it was called um, well, first of all, it was called Garanta Design in England, and there I employed a small team of people to design toys and games.
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And then when I came to the USA, I got smart.
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So I just hired every I called it Wyman Associates, but I just hired everybody as independent contractors, okay, like you do today.
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Yeah.
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Much, much cheaper, much more, you know.
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Um in the old days, if I made some money and I went away on holiday, if you're if the boss is gone, uh work is done.
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Is there is there a toy that your company made that we might recognize?
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Uh the most successful toy we did was a game called Thirteen Dead and Drive.
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Yeah, ring the bell for me.
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No, but no, I need to go play it.
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It's it's still on the market.
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Okay.
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Um can you get it in the US?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah, it's um so I designed this when I first got to the USA.
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It's uh a murder mystery uh where you have uh poor old Anne Hagatha passes away and she leaves all her money to one of her twelve heirs, and then uh that person has to escape the mansion, but everybody else is trying to knock that person off.
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And so and when that person gets knocked off, you turn over another card, put on the fireplace on the little picture frame, and you discover who is the next one to inherit the money.
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And then everybody tries to knock him or her off.
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Um and but if you if your picture's on the Faradays and you're able to escape the house, then you get the money and win the game.
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Huh.
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And um Is it a long game?
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I mean, how no, so so actually everything I tried to design, I I learned from like Monopoly.
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Not I would have loved to design Monopoly, but I learned that you know I hate the idea of three hour games.
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Yeah, me too.
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So the game was always over in 30 minutes.
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Oh yeah.
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That's my kind of game.
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Yeah.
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If I'm gonna do a game.
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Yeah, so um 30 minutes.
00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:37.519
All right.
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So when you went to Germany, what was where did you start?
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Like uh uh you know, you didn't set out to be a toy designer, so like what did they start you on?
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Oh yeah, so they asked me to be um so what they were doing was they need the reason they were willing to hire me was they needed somebody who could read English because all the new game inventions, the vast majority came either from uh America England or Israel.
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And so they desperately needed somebody who was really conversant in English, you know, to be able to figure out what to do.
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So that was my job.
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And then uh I guess I was blessed with a bit of luck in that I knew what was a good game or not a good game.
00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:20.319
And you know, like our sales went up by twenty-five percent all three years that I was there.
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And so they kept offering more money, and so I kept staying on longer.
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You know, and I I loved it.
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My my boss was a incredible German playboy who would um you know who was just fascinating to work for.
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You know, later on, um I would go he would go sailing for six weeks every year.
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Just turn off in those days you didn't have phones or anything like that.
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Just totally displayed.
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Check out just check out of the world.
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And his idea was to us was hey, when I'm gone sailing, I trust you to make all the good decisions.
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Wow.
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You know, and that was that.
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And don't make a lot.
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And don't make any decision that I wouldn't make.
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And don't make and if it's any major decision, it can always wait.
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Wow.
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That's incredible.
00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:10.880
Well we're gonna uh bring us uh to the present and uh ask you about a current pastime or hobby or activity that uh you right now enjoy regularly and how it first started.
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Well my um uh I'm a golf nut, is uh you know, so I play a lot of golf.
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Um I belong to uh What's your favorite course that you played on?
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The favorite course ever uh would be one in Scotland Um Royal uh Dornock.
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Okay.
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Which is up in it's one of the most northern courses in all of Scotland, and it was um it's very historical, absolutely gorgeous.
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Um I actually didn't play very well that day, so it actually tells you how good the course is.
00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:41.039
Wow.
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That you know you can play moderately poorly and still have a fantastic time.
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And do they play any the open championship uh there ever?
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No, they don't because of it's so rural and so it's so difficult to get to, and there's they're building a new hotel there and they're building another course.
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I think they might have already done that.
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But originally it was just such a small town thing, but it's a very famous, it's one of the top ten courses in the world.
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Okay.
00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:07.200
How'd you get into golf?
00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:22.640
Um I started playing golf basically my last year in England, and so there was uh in England there was a public golf course in a place called Ealing, and it had nine holes and was kinda they had crisscross fairways.
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So if you hit your ball because it would crisscross a fairway, somebody else would steal your ball all the time.
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And then you always had to duck in case you got hit by other people's balls.
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And um and so I I had that I somehow just became a passion.
00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:49.839
And I when I came to the States, I belonged to a small golf course in Connecticut and then I joined a core a club in um you know, obviously in every other place I ever lived, you know, after that, you know, in Colorado and then San Diego.
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:51.039
I belonged to a fantastic place.
00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:53.039
And do you manage to play weekly still?
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I do, yeah.
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That's great.
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So I I I always I have a during the summer we have a group that plays, you know.
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I don't join them every time, but they play Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:05.759
There's a Saturday group, there's a Sunday group.
00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:08.400
So I could literally play five days a week if I wanted to.
00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:08.720
Yeah.
00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:08.960
Yeah.
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My back wouldn't give up.
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Yeah, yeah.
00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:22.559
Well yeah, golf is is certainly a consuming activity, but despite that, is there still an activity off the clock that you'd like to pursue that you haven't to date?
00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:35.920
Uh I think um, you know, as you get a little bit uh I mean I do golf, I do skiing, but as I um as I get a little bit older, you know, a little bit grayer, um you know, you always think that there's forever left on the clock.
00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.960
And so I think the one thing I would like to do more is travel.
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:39.359
Yeah.
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:41.359
And and that's not to say that I don't travel.
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I've been blessed.
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I've been to went to a college reunion in you know in England this year, been to Australia, I've been to Cabo, been to Napa Valley, things like that.
00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:56.079
But I still think there's so many more places in the world that I've separate you haven't been that you would love to visit.
00:25:57.519 --> 00:25:58.799
Um that's a good question.
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:01.119
There's just so many, but maybe Jordan.
00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:02.000
Okay.
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:08.720
Yeah, I think Jordan would be my um until they until they had the recent problems, my sister-in-law um worked in Jordan.
00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:13.759
And so I was always we were always planning to go there and it just never quite got there.
00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:14.000
Yeah.
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:16.799
But that would be that would be on top of the list, I think.
00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:23.920
So before we get to the lightning round, if you if you weren't here as a faculty member right now, what would you be doing?
00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:27.039
Well, apart from golfing, yeah.
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:35.279
Um I I you know, actually funny thing enough is I still um we're keeping our fingers on the in the design field a little bit.
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:48.400
Um so me and uh one of my uh uh compatriots in entrepreneurship, we're working on you know, uh we've written a little child's book and we're doing some other things there and doing a game and things like that.
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:52.640
So we're still keeping busy uh, you know, really part-time.
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:55.440
You know, so we're we're not doing it like straight away.
00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:58.559
We're just you know we're taking our time and having fun doing it and everything like that.
00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:09.920
So I'd still keep my fingers busy doing have you have you ever taught a class with students about like game design or like what that like does that does that translate into a full class?
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:12.720
Or is it a component of any of the classes that you teach at all?
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:14.880
So you know it's really on interesting.
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:29.519
So out of you know, I run this program called Impact X, where everybody designs a new business that um and over all the years so far nobody has ever done uh a game or a toy.
00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:30.400
Interesting.
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:36.319
Which is you know, and I tell them all my experience and everything, but I don't also want to bleed them into hey, you know, this is a good idea.
00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:37.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:45.039
Um and I did talk to uh one uh outside guy once about doing a toy design course and everything like that.
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:46.240
Um maybe, maybe.
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:46.640
We'll see.
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:47.359
Okay.
00:27:51.599 --> 00:28:04.160
Well, as Chris referred to before, our last segment of the podcast is the lightning round, uh, where we conclude our faculty off-the-clock installments and we ask each guest some important standard questions.
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:06.799
Again, about your life off the clock.
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:16.720
We do also want to clarify that we know the difference between thunder and lightning, but since this is an audio podcast, we had to settle on the thunder sound effect to cue this portion of the interview.
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:18.960
So to begin, what's your favorite carb?
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:20.240
My favorite carb.
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:21.039
Your favorite carb.
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:23.759
Uh as I worked at an ice cream store, let's go ice cream.
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:27.440
Oh, just like one of our other guests as well.
00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:27.920
Excellent.
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:30.559
I'll take pralines and cream out of the work.
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:32.960
Jasmine, do you have a favorite protein?
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.519
Uh I I love I love a really, really good steak.
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:40.480
Um but made yourself or eating out?
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.599
Actually, you know, honestly, I'm I really like making my own steaks.
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:44.480
No, how do you make them?
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:56.559
Make them on the grill or instead of just on the well, you know, I buy um when I want to treat myself because I don't uh because I had some uh you know heart issues or whatever, so I don't want to eat red meat all the time.
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:02.079
So I just buy like the once a month the best, you know, dry age New York strew.
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:02.640
Nice.
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:03.359
Treat yourself, treatment.
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:04.400
Treat myself, you know.
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:06.160
And then I I I like to keep it fairly bare.
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:11.440
You know, I put it on the grill, put a little bit of salt and pepper, and you know a bit of a purist when it comes to the meat.
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:12.400
Yeah, I kind of love it.
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:12.960
Okay.
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.400
And got to make sure it's sort of rare, medium rare.
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:16.960
Okay.
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:17.440
All right.
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:18.720
Pizza or tacos?
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:20.799
Uh I'd go with tacos.
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:23.599
Do you have a favorite taco place in town?
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:31.680
No, I do have a favorite pizza place, so I love it's uh I love La Pizzeria in Mount Pleasant.
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:33.119
Just awesome if you haven't been there.
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:33.759
Yeah, no.
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:35.680
Gosh, it's a hole in all.
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.960
Just come across Ravenel Bridge, go up to Coleman Boulevard.
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:40.799
It's No, I haven't been there.
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:41.599
On the left, yes.
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:42.400
It is good.
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:43.279
Good.
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:43.440
Yep.
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:43.839
Solid?
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:44.240
All right.
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:45.119
You have to keep it in mind.
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:46.000
Really solid.
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:46.880
Good, good, good place.
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:47.599
Okay.
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:54.319
Uh well, you've so we have a frozen yogurt or ice cream question, but I assume you're more of an ice cream versus frozen yogurt.
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:57.440
Actually, you know, again, I just try to be health conscious.
00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:00.240
I would probably eat a yogurt ninety times out of ten.
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:01.359
Yeah, that makes sense.
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:03.680
Mustard or ketchup on a hot dog?
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:05.279
I would do both.
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:06.000
Both?
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:06.720
Yeah, man.
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:07.920
Always both, huh?
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:08.160
Yeah.
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:13.200
Is there a type of uh mustard or ketchup that you prefer when you're putting both on your hot dog?
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:15.200
Oh, I'm just a traditional man, you know.
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.000
Uh just your regular yellow mustard.
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:19.200
American mustard.
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:22.000
You know, in England, you know, we have a thing called English mustard.
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:23.440
Have you ever had an English mustard?
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:25.759
Is that like a great coupon or like that sort of mustard?
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:27.599
Is it a spicy mustard mustard?
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:28.559
It's hot.
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:30.480
So um I have I like that.
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:31.119
I like this.
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:32.720
I like a mustard with a little bite.
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:40.240
Well, I had one uncle once in Tennessee who uh and so I he's like to my mom, he says, I really like mustard.
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:45.200
And so she had English mustard, and we were and so she just piled on this mustard.
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:47.200
He um he had a surprise.
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:53.359
Uh uh as a side, hush puppies or french fries?
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:55.440
I would do french fries.
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:57.759
Do you have a particular kind you like?
00:30:58.000 --> 00:30:59.680
Like a skinny waffle cut?
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:07.519
Oh, I l I like uh probably crinkle cut, but I also um I kind of like the Chick-fil-A uh You do, huh?
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:08.240
Yeah, all right.
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:10.640
You have a favorite soft drink?
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:17.200
Uh favorite soft drink, I would go um you know, Diet Coke, maybe.
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:17.920
Okay.
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:26.079
Well, we have a question here about favorite off-the-clock activity, but you know, in terms of golf, do you have a favorite course that you like regionally?
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.400
Uh regionally I'm a member at Bulls Bay, so if either of you guys play golf or play Bulls Bay.
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:31.279
Not me, unfortunately.
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So um and uh so that's my uh that's my hangout these days.
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Do you have a favorite off-the-clock activity that you like to do alone?
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Um I probably read a lot, you know.
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Okay.
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Um and you know, uh I I do enjoy watching sports on TV, and my wife doesn't particularly uh most of the time.
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So you're alone when you do that?
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What uh particular sport you like to watch?
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Well, I love college football.
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Um that's great.
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I also love um you know the obviously the uh English soccer football.
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And these days you can even get, you know, um England and rugby over here occasionally things like that when they have the World Cup.
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Yeah.
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So do you do you have a favorite team that you follow in the Premier League or lower level?
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Yeah, so I used to go to the Chelsea Games and also when I lived in Munich, I went to the Byron Games.
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Yeah, and that was pretty awesome.
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Yeah, I bet.
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Oh yeah.
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Um favorite music band from your youth?
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Favorite music band from my youth.
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Well, I was um, you know, I uh from real young, I guess I liked the Beatles, you know, that would be the British invasion.
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You know, the British invasion.
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But then later on, I'd kind of liked uh people like say not a band, but you know Gordon Lightfoot.
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Yeah, people like that.
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Good stuff.
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Yeah.
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This is kind of an unfair question to ask during this time of year, particularly given the past several weeks we've had, but do you prefer cold or hot weather?
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Um I would rather take the hot than the cold.
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So I could l I'd prefer to stay in the south and move really cold north.
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Mm-hmm.
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Uh barbecue big around here.
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Do you have a favorite uh sauce, mustard, vinegar, tomato based?
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Uh well, Chris, I've got to be honest.
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Uh last time I had a barbecue was with Mark.
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Uh and uh because you know I don't eat a lot of red meat and things like that, although I know it's pork and chicken and things, I don't really do much barbecue.
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That's fair.
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That's fair.
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Plane train or automobile?
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Oh, I'd rather go on plane.
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I like to visit places, journey, you know.
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Okay.
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Do you have a favorite kind of plane?
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Oh.
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Um no, not really.
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I don't you know, people go, oh, I'm going on this, I'm going on that.
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That would be our family.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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We'll tax it.
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No, no.
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As long as it gets me there safely, you know.
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And not too many connections.
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I don't like the real small ones.
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They tend to be a little too uneasy with turbulence.
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I don't like that.
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So the bigger the better.
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They feel faster.
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Uh toothpaste tube dispensing method?
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Oh, I think I'm probably just traditional.
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You know, I just squeeze out of the middle and then a scientific appearance.
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Finally, someone.
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Yeah.
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You know, then if they're in, just squeeze it up in the side.
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You know, when I was younger, I don't know if you guys were around, they also had those uh toothpaste where you just press on the side of the button and it just fenced up.
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I don't know whatever happened to that.
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I don't know what that is.
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Yeah, yeah, I remember those.
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Yeah, I don't I don't know.
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I don't know what happened.
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Popcorn, yes or no?
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Oh, I love popcorn.
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How do you like to prepare?
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What do you like to put on it?
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Oh, I'm uh so here's a little aside.
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You know, first time I went to England, back to England as a little kid, you know, I went to a theater and I ordered popcorn and uh and I went, ugh.
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And it turns out it had sugar on it.
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Oh and it's you didn't like that, huh?
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No, I did not.
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I was expecting salt.
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Yeah, when you're expecting something, right?
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That's a bit of a and and so it was really it was interesting because English, you know, we put sugar or salt.
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So you have to it's sort of like American coffee, you know.
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How do you want it?
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You know, do you want a sugar or salt?
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And so, but I'm definitely a salt guy, not a sugar guy.
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Do you make it at home?
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All the time, yeah.
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How do you make it at home?
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What what do you use to prepare the pot?
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Oh, we we have um just a little there's a little plastic thing, I can't remember its name, a little red plastic thing, and you just put some oil in and then you put in the microwave.
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Okay.
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But you know, so you're taking orval, read and backer, or whatever type of popcorn seeds, you know, and put that in there and do it.
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So it's not in the bag or anything like that.
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That's your go-to every time.
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That's your mechanism for making popcorn.
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Oh yeah, I mean I love that.
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I love it.
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It's good for you.
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All right, good stuff.
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Okay.
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So uh before we close, if if if we are going to an event about you, uh an entrance song.
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You're a celebrity.
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You're a celebrity.
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It's Dr.
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Wyman.
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Here he goes.
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He's walking out.
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He's walking out.
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I mean, they got his his newest toy that he has designed, and this is the big reveal, and here you are, and what is your entrance song?
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Uh you know, I I haven't thought about it, but I would I would love uh I'm not really a big fan, but maybe something crazy like a Metallica song or something like that.
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I like that enter San You know We gotta do it, make it a lot of it.
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Well, Dr.
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Bartman, thanks so much for sharing today about your time off the clock and for giving listeners an alternate glimpse into your life outside the classroom.
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We really appreciate it.
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And as a personalized marketing tool, we'll ask you to display in your office to bring attention to the podcast.
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We'll soon be presenting with you to you a bobblehead to present your lighter side as revealed to us today.
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So thank you.
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Awesome guys.
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Stay tuned for next month's installment when we learn more about the life off the clock of another college.
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We welcome you to this episode of Faculty Off the Clock, a podcast series hosted by the College of Charleston's Office of the Provost that highlights the personal and lighter sides of our campus's professors.
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I'm Mark Del Mastro, and I'm Chris Corey, Associate Provost, and your host for Faculty Off the Clock.
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For this episode, we welcome Professor David Wyman, Associate Professor of Entrepreneurship, Director of the Center for Entrepreneurship and Associate Chair of Management and Marketing.
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Hey guys, I'm excited to be here.
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Thank you.
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Well, Dr.
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Wyman, uh, we start off, although we're not really uh focused on your life here at the CFC, we did want to get a sense of how you ended up here at the College of Charleston.
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So if I go back to the real quick origins, uh originally um I was a toy inventor.
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So I designed toys and games.
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I did that for many, many years after college.
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And then one day I got taken to Colorado and fell in love with Colorado, and so I ended up living, moving to Colorado.
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I got married, moving to Colorado.
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And in Colorado what I discovered was um there were no toy companies there, there were no um toy mentors, no designers or anything like that in those days.
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So I decided to do something crazy different, and so I spent a year teaching junior high and senior high.
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And um when I came out of that program, it was called Project Promise, where they took uh executive professionals and put them into teaching.
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And I discovered I had a love of teaching, I ended up teaching in Colorado State, and from there I moved to University of San Diego, which was fantastic.
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And then you know, a little step sidestep.
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I ended up in Clemson for six years.
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And somewhere along those years I picked up a PhD and in 2013 I got um hired here to be the director of the Center for Entrepreneurship.
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So it's been twelve glorious years.
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Well, we're we're certainly gonna have to explore a little later your toy and game design, because that's extremely intriguing.
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Um but before we get into your off-campus diversions uh and interest in hobbies, tell us a little bit about your life.
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Where are you originally from, born and raised?
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Yeah, so I'm a I'm a half and off.
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So I was born in England and as a little kid my parents immigrated to the States.
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So I grew up in Washington, DC, mostly, um, which was uh a great place to grow up, except for our baseball team lost all the games and they ended up ended up moving to Texas.
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Do you like baseball being from the UK?
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Well I did in those days because I considered myself American.
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Okay.
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Because you know I was you know came up as a little kid over here.
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Sure.
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And then um after that, um so I moved around uh my parents lived in Washington and Baltimore, and then when I was sixteen, they sent me back to boarding school in England.
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And um and then I came over one year and they asked me, Do you have a green card?
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So I showed it to the guy.
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And then after section twelve forty seven B, they took it away.
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And from those days onwards I considered myself English.
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And uh so I ended up being a good English guy, went to a lot of the pubs, married an English girl, you know, went to college there, all the formative stuff in England.
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And then uh 20 years later, I ended up moving to the States.
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Uh, I met a uh this uh lawyer, my dad actually was living in the States at the time, he set me up with this lawyer, and the guy goes, You're American.
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I said, I am.
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I'm delighted to be how that and what he did was he's he um basically he said that as you um your parents were naturalized American citizens when you were a minor, so that makes you an American citizen.
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But I've never tried tried to get this twenty five years later.
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And uh so and I ended up having to ha an interview which was sign this paper.
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I signed this paper.
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I said, I'm supposed to go back to England in two days, which I do.
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And she took my British passport, grabbed out my immigration pass, and uh said, Go get an American passport.
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And so I did the next day in Stanford, Connecticut.
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It was a little bit easier, I think, those days these days.
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Yeah, and that was 1993, and within three months I'd moved back to uh the States and I've been here ever since.
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That's a great story.
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So uh growing up as a kid in DC, did you you have an uh interest like uh that you like to do?
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Yeah, so I was a total American kid in those days, so I loved all sports.
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Um I my brother had a newspaper route and I was five years younger.
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It's a recurring thing.
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Everyone has a newspaper route.
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Yeah, tough luck on the kids today.
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No newspapers.
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And so what he would do is on s uh Sundays, he would ask me to help deliver it because the Washington Post was such a big newspaper.
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And uh so I was like five years old, but I was totally sports crazy.
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So what I would do is um I would do it for free, which was a bad bargain as an entrepreneur.
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And I would do it for free as long as he let me read the sports section first.
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You know, and so that was you know so I was tired.
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That was the deal.
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That was the deal.
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Did you have a uh vac uh did you d do vacations when you were growing up?
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And if so, did you have a favorite location?
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Well, my parents had a tough time initially, you know.
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So um when they first came over, my dad um I remember is when I was three, four years old, he ran a gas station, you know, just outside of uh DC.
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And that was terrible.
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Um he lost money all the time because whenever he didn't turn up to work, all of a sudden the um all the guys took the money, you know.
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So it was very uh not a not a salubrious business.
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Okay.
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And um but he made his way up all through the thing.
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So on vacations, we mostly stayed in state and just went to um Ocean City, which is on the coast.
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Brilliant place.
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Yeah, wonderful.
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Yeah, fantastic as a little kid.
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Yeah.
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Uh so you you talked about uh working the paper out with your brother.
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That was um other memorable jobs you had as a kid growing up?
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Uh I also um when I was about twelve years old, um he gave me his lawn cutting route.
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So I so I mowed lawns and everything like that.
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Um so that was great.
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When I was 15, I had my first formal job, you know, which was wonderful Baskin Robbins at a buck thirty five an hour.
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Free ice cream?
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Uh 31 ice creams, yeah.
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What was your favorite?
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Oh, I'm definitely pralines and creams.
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Okay.
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You know, every every time I finished the job, you know, uh I'd make myself a pralines and cream milkshake.
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And that was You never got sick of it, huh?
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I only worked there for a year or so.
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Okay.
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So but it was it was great fun.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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So um we have a dog.
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Um his name is Murphy.
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Uh I guess it's like Murphy's Law.
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You know, if he can do anything wrong, he does.
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But he's now he's now fifteen years old, so he's he's really slowed down.
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Aaron Powell Do you ha did you have a pet growing up?
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We had a German Shepherd dog.
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Oh, they're wonderful animals.
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Just one?
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Uh well, one time we had 10, but that was because of nine puppies.
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You know.
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So game designer and and uh toy designer, did you have like a favorite board game or something that inspired you?
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Um well as a little kid, uh we all I loved all games.
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You know, so I loved Game of Life, Monopoly, Risk was uh dearing favorite.
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Um but no more inordinate amount of games.
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So I did not do Dungeons and Dragons DD or any of those things.
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Were these family activities or did you do them with your friends?
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Oh, this is all just friends.
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Okay.
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When you played Risk, did you have a a certain part of the board you like to start on?
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No, but we um you know one of the things that we always did was we always modified the rules because if you look at a lot of these traditional games like Monopoly or Risk, they take too long.
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They sure do.
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So we would have RISC nights where you would play Risk till two o'clock in the morning.
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And later in life, we might have some other um celebrations with it.
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So we had games modified the rules to make it so you could all get it over and done with within 25 minutes.
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Oh, I'd like that so a previous guest brought us a 1980s version of RISC.
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So maybe we could get that accelerated rule so we could play in the office.
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We're gonna focus a little bit on your childhood grammar school years that you had referenced before, Dave.
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And we're hoping you could share with us a fun fact from your from those school uh grammar school years and and what you think might be amusing to our guests.
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Well, I d I don't know if this is amusing, but I I think what's kind of interesting is if you take my first year at school, I was in first grade in uh Carrollton, Maryland, you know, which is just outside DC.
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And if you think back about it, I remember going in in the first couple weeks of class, we would all do drills where, you know, we were all worried about getting bombed by the Russians.
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And so we would all have to put our heads underneath our the desks, you know, and stay there for a minute or two minutes.
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You guys are too young for that.
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But it was, you know, the idea that somehow you could be saved from a nuclear bomb by putting your head underneath the desk is very much uh Yeah, my dad used to tell me those stories and said it was it was terrifying, you know, because he th really thought it was it was gonna happen.
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Yeah.
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It was.
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With that textbook on your head, that's extra protection.
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Oh yeah, absolutely.
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Bullproof.
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Same fun fact question from your high school years.
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Uh from my high school years, um so um when I was sixteen, I was um uh my parents were moving from Maryland to Connecticut, so they gave me a choice.
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You can either move to Connecticut or you can go to boarding school.
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And my mom was a big uh Anglophile, so it was pretty obvious that I should go to boarding school.
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And um so I went to boarding school in a place called Taunton in Somerset, which is the west side of England.
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And what was kind of cool was in England, um, you know, to be able to have uh a drink or anything like that, you just have to look like you're 18.
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You don't you don't, you know, there's none of the 21 or anything like that.
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And so when we were in school, we would all uh not all of us, but a small group, we would uh at eight o'clock they have a recession from when you do your homework.
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And so we'd go off to this one pub and you have to go across the railway tracks around the corner and everything like that.
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And the headmaster and his people had tried to bust the pub with against students a number of times.
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So they were banned from the pub.
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And so in those days, uh a a pint was 17p.
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So you would take 50 P and or 52 P and you'd either have to lend somebody a penny or borrow, you know, or or um borrow a penny so that you could have three pints before going back to uh assembly at 9 30.
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It's a little bit different from most American.
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Oh yeah, no, I love pop culture in the UK and you know, and uh and actually what's also fairly interesting, you know, I uh it's not like I drink a lot or anything like that, but was when I um was at college, you know, in the very first week of college, um what we did was the dean invited all of us over to actually have um you know gin and tonics or beers and like different time.
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You know, very different time.
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And when I played rugby um at um so I played uh first team rugby for my high school team.
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And when I played rugby, you know, one day I got somehow blessed to score a try or whatever, you know, which is like a touchdown.
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And when you score a touchdown, if you're the two of us got invited back to the Masters Common Room where we were all shared a couple pints with them.
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You know, so it's a very different society, you know, very much more at ease with uh alcohol and everything like that.
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Um I don't know that the Brits have any higher alcoholism rate or anything like that from there.
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It's just a different society.
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How long did you play rugby for?
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Okay.
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So I played rugby all through uh high school and college.
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Wow, and uh loved it.
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Uh you know, and then uh I tried to play one time in the States.
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I looked at playing.
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I was in Colorado.
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I thought, oh, I'll go play.
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And then I saw all the rugby players were all ex-American football players.
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They're a little on the big side.
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So they're all six foot five.
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I was like 32 years old at the time.
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I don't think so.
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What position did you play?
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So I played um winger, which is uh sort of the I was a slow, fast guy on the outside.
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Okay.
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You know, and then I also played a position, my favorite position was fullback, and that's the person whose last line of defense, so you get to kick the ball and run the ball and everything like that.
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Oh wow.
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Yeah, so it was a lot of fun.
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Great game.
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Great game.
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Well, you you talked about going to the pub uh playing playing rugby as an undergraduate, other like where you went as an undergrad and sort of other interesting stories from that time.
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Yeah, so um so in England w in those days, I went to Cambridge, so I was at Queen's College, Cambridge.
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But when you go to Cambridge in those days, you took what they call a a gap year.
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So you apply and you do um you come back for one semester where you have to take these special exams to get into Cambridge or Oxford, and then for the next nine months, you know, you have to get a job.
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So what was kind of different is so I I looked at jobs and I ended up uh there's two jobs available in England in those days.
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One was as a bakery assistant.
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Uh-huh.
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I don't know about that one.
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But the other one was sounding like, oh, this is sounds like fun.
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And it was as a croupier, uh dealing roulette and blackjack.
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Uh-huh.
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So I spent uh uh you know basically nine months and then one summer you know as a croupier.
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So I dealt roulette and blackjack on the south coast of England at a casino.
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Oh, wonderful.
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Huh.
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So do you do you um do you also like to play those now that you were on the other side of the table?
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Uh that that's a great question.
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I do not have to.
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No more casinos, huh?
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You know, I I loved my job as a croupier.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely adored it.
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And you know, it was kind of I was always pretty mathematical as a kid.
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So when you have, you know, 17 times 12 plus, you know, nine times 35, I was pretty quick at doing that.
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So that was fun.
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So I uh the whole idea as a croupier is keep the customers fat satisfied, smile at them a lot, and then just make it go as quick as possible.
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So they you know, the more bets they can do in an hour.
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And uh so I actually you know got to know lots of people.
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We um but like we had one guy, Monty, who owned six closing stores in South England and um he won d drove a Rolls-Royce, you know, all the accruants when he'd come in, his wife you know had furs on and everything like that in southern England.
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So it was you know, this is mid-70s, so it was kind of really out of uh you know, very in keeping in those times.
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But you know, the following summer, by the end of my nine months, he was down to one store and lost the Rolls-Royce from because from gambling.
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Wow.
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Yeah, so and then he um I went off to Cambridge, he stopped gambling, and then I came back the following summer.
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And about two months later, maybe six weeks later, all of a sudden Monty was back.
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He was back, he had three stores now, and I was like, oh no, Monty, I don't want to see you, you know.
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Please no.
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Yeah, so so that really um I guess extinguished the urge to be uh gambling on the asset.
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When you were um dealing, did they did they um give you training about how to catch people counting cars and things doing blackjack?
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Could you tell?
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Well, actually the way they have it is we have uh a thing called a shoe.
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So um you have uh three sets of cards, maybe more, and you put it into a shoe and then you put a red card in, so you never get all the way to the end of the cards.
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So um in those days, uh I don't think it was very easy to count cards.
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All you could really do is you know, you have a slight ratio of there might be a higher draw of a ten or a face card or not.
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Um but you'd have to play a l awful lot um to m to be to beat the bank.
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Yeah.
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You know, um so it's a different system.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It was fun.
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A lot of fun.
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A great job, I tell you.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh yeah, it's not like being a bartender.
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You just like all kinds of people.
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Yeah.
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Well, you went to graduate school much later.
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So like what was that like as going back to school after having some some time in the in the world of work?
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Okay, so what I did initially was I went um after college, um because I enjoyed the pub culture.
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I I took a job up in Liverpool working for the largest beer company in England.
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What beer company was that?
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It was called Ally Breweries.
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So they owned more breweries and more pubs than anybody else.
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Uh still around?
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They're still around.
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Uh is there a beer they make that we might recognize?
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They uh uh uh probably double diamond long life.
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Ring a bell for you.
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I mean, I do like beer, but yeah.
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Yeah, but they they all got um you know but what they would do is they do a separate beer in the south, separate beer in northwest and so on like that, because they were all regional breeders.
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And um but uh after three months there, uh you know, I realized that uh as much as Liverpool is um an interesting city, I realized that I did not want to live in Liverpool, the rest and I really wanted to get into marketing in those days.
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And they said, Well, if you just spend five more years doing this, you can get into marketing.
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And the job was not bad, but it was going to things like pubs all day long, warehouses, this you know, giving away beer.
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And I just didn't really everybody who was in the working for Allied Breweries for years, you know, they were either really rotund because they drank so much beer, or they were not drinking beer at all because they were alcoholics.
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Okay.
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You know, and so it was kind of interesting that so many of them were, you know, the sales guys were alcoholics and did not drink beer.
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Yeah.
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So after that I got a job in um I met these two guys at toy fair.
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My dad was in the toy business.
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I met these two guys, and after 15 minutes, they were desperate.
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So they offered me a job at double the wages I was earning.
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And so next thing I knew, I'd never been to Germany.
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I didn't speak any German.
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Next thing I knew I was in um Nuremberg at the toy fair in uh Germany and ended up living in Munich for three years.
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And then to back to your question, it was after that I came back to England, I did my MBA initially.
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And then after my MBA, I did my own toy company for um twenty odd years.
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And then later in the 2000s, I did my PhD.
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What was the name of the toy company?
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So I it was my own company, so it was called um, well, first of all, it was called Garanta Design in England, and there I employed a small team of people to design toys and games.
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And then when I came to the USA, I got smart.
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So I just hired every I called it Wyman Associates, but I just hired everybody as independent contractors, okay, like you do today.
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Yeah.
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Much, much cheaper, much more, you know.
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Um in the old days, if I made some money and I went away on holiday, if you're if the boss is gone, uh work is done.
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Is there is there a toy that your company made that we might recognize?
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Uh the most successful toy we did was a game called Thirteen Dead and Drive.
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Yeah, ring the bell for me.
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No, but no, I need to go play it.
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It's it's still on the market.
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Okay.
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Um can you get it in the US?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah, it's um so I designed this when I first got to the USA.
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It's uh a murder mystery uh where you have uh poor old Anne Hagatha passes away and she leaves all her money to one of her twelve heirs, and then uh that person has to escape the mansion, but everybody else is trying to knock that person off.
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And so and when that person gets knocked off, you turn over another card, put on the fireplace on the little picture frame, and you discover who is the next one to inherit the money.
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And then everybody tries to knock him or her off.
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Um and but if you if your picture's on the Faradays and you're able to escape the house, then you get the money and win the game.
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Huh.
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And um Is it a long game?
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I mean, how no, so so actually everything I tried to design, I I learned from like Monopoly.
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Not I would have loved to design Monopoly, but I learned that you know I hate the idea of three hour games.
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Yeah, me too.
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So the game was always over in 30 minutes.
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Oh yeah.
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That's my kind of game.
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Yeah.
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If I'm gonna do a game.
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Yeah, so um 30 minutes.
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All right.
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So when you went to Germany, what was where did you start?
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Like uh uh you know, you didn't set out to be a toy designer, so like what did they start you on?
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Oh yeah, so they asked me to be um so what they were doing was they need the reason they were willing to hire me was they needed somebody who could read English because all the new game inventions, the vast majority came either from uh America England or Israel.
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And so they desperately needed somebody who was really conversant in English, you know, to be able to figure out what to do.
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So that was my job.
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And then uh I guess I was blessed with a bit of luck in that I knew what was a good game or not a good game.
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And you know, like our sales went up by twenty-five percent all three years that I was there.
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And so they kept offering more money, and so I kept staying on longer.
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You know, and I I loved it.
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My my boss was a incredible German playboy who would um you know who was just fascinating to work for.
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You know, later on, um I would go he would go sailing for six weeks every year.
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Just turn off in those days you didn't have phones or anything like that.
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Just totally displayed.
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Check out just check out of the world.
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And his idea was to us was hey, when I'm gone sailing, I trust you to make all the good decisions.
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Wow.
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You know, and that was that.
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And don't make a lot.
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And don't make any decision that I wouldn't make.
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And don't make and if it's any major decision, it can always wait.
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Wow.
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That's incredible.
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Well we're gonna uh bring us uh to the present and uh ask you about a current pastime or hobby or activity that uh you right now enjoy regularly and how it first started.
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Well my um uh I'm a golf nut, is uh you know, so I play a lot of golf.
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Um I belong to uh What's your favorite course that you played on?
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The favorite course ever uh would be one in Scotland Um Royal uh Dornock.
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Okay.
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Which is up in it's one of the most northern courses in all of Scotland, and it was um it's very historical, absolutely gorgeous.
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Um I actually didn't play very well that day, so it actually tells you how good the course is.
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Wow.
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That you know you can play moderately poorly and still have a fantastic time.
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And do they play any the open championship uh there ever?
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No, they don't because of it's so rural and so it's so difficult to get to, and there's they're building a new hotel there and they're building another course.
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I think they might have already done that.
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But originally it was just such a small town thing, but it's a very famous, it's one of the top ten courses in the world.
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Okay.
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How'd you get into golf?
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Um I started playing golf basically my last year in England, and so there was uh in England there was a public golf course in a place called Ealing, and it had nine holes and was kinda they had crisscross fairways.
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So if you hit your ball because it would crisscross a fairway, somebody else would steal your ball all the time.
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And then you always had to duck in case you got hit by other people's balls.
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And um and so I I had that I somehow just became a passion.
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And I when I came to the States, I belonged to a small golf course in Connecticut and then I joined a core a club in um you know, obviously in every other place I ever lived, you know, after that, you know, in Colorado and then San Diego.
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I belonged to a fantastic place.
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And do you manage to play weekly still?
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I do, yeah.
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That's great.
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So I I I always I have a during the summer we have a group that plays, you know.
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I don't join them every time, but they play Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
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There's a Saturday group, there's a Sunday group.
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So I could literally play five days a week if I wanted to.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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My back wouldn't give up.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well yeah, golf is is certainly a consuming activity, but despite that, is there still an activity off the clock that you'd like to pursue that you haven't to date?
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Uh I think um, you know, as you get a little bit uh I mean I do golf, I do skiing, but as I um as I get a little bit older, you know, a little bit grayer, um you know, you always think that there's forever left on the clock.
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And so I think the one thing I would like to do more is travel.
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Yeah.
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And and that's not to say that I don't travel.
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I've been blessed.
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I've been to went to a college reunion in you know in England this year, been to Australia, I've been to Cabo, been to Napa Valley, things like that.
00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:56.079
But I still think there's so many more places in the world that I've separate you haven't been that you would love to visit.
00:25:57.519 --> 00:25:58.799
Um that's a good question.
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:01.119
There's just so many, but maybe Jordan.
00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:02.000
Okay.
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:08.720
Yeah, I think Jordan would be my um until they until they had the recent problems, my sister-in-law um worked in Jordan.
00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:13.759
And so I was always we were always planning to go there and it just never quite got there.
00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:14.000
Yeah.
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:16.799
But that would be that would be on top of the list, I think.
00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:23.920
So before we get to the lightning round, if you if you weren't here as a faculty member right now, what would you be doing?
00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:27.039
Well, apart from golfing, yeah.
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:35.279
Um I I you know, actually funny thing enough is I still um we're keeping our fingers on the in the design field a little bit.
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:48.400
Um so me and uh one of my uh uh compatriots in entrepreneurship, we're working on you know, uh we've written a little child's book and we're doing some other things there and doing a game and things like that.
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:52.640
So we're still keeping busy uh, you know, really part-time.
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:55.440
You know, so we're we're not doing it like straight away.
00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:58.559
We're just you know we're taking our time and having fun doing it and everything like that.
00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:09.920
So I'd still keep my fingers busy doing have you have you ever taught a class with students about like game design or like what that like does that does that translate into a full class?
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:12.720
Or is it a component of any of the classes that you teach at all?
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:14.880
So you know it's really on interesting.
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:29.519
So out of you know, I run this program called Impact X, where everybody designs a new business that um and over all the years so far nobody has ever done uh a game or a toy.
00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:30.400
Interesting.
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:36.319
Which is you know, and I tell them all my experience and everything, but I don't also want to bleed them into hey, you know, this is a good idea.
00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:37.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:45.039
Um and I did talk to uh one uh outside guy once about doing a toy design course and everything like that.
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:46.240
Um maybe, maybe.
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:46.640
We'll see.
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:47.359
Okay.
00:27:51.599 --> 00:28:04.160
Well, as Chris referred to before, our last segment of the podcast is the lightning round, uh, where we conclude our faculty off-the-clock installments and we ask each guest some important standard questions.
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:06.799
Again, about your life off the clock.
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:16.720
We do also want to clarify that we know the difference between thunder and lightning, but since this is an audio podcast, we had to settle on the thunder sound effect to cue this portion of the interview.
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:18.960
So to begin, what's your favorite carb?
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:20.240
My favorite carb.
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:21.039
Your favorite carb.
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:23.759
Uh as I worked at an ice cream store, let's go ice cream.
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:27.440
Oh, just like one of our other guests as well.
00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:27.920
Excellent.
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:30.559
I'll take pralines and cream out of the work.
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:32.960
Jasmine, do you have a favorite protein?
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.519
Uh I I love I love a really, really good steak.
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:40.480
Um but made yourself or eating out?
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.599
Actually, you know, honestly, I'm I really like making my own steaks.
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:44.480
No, how do you make them?
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:56.559
Make them on the grill or instead of just on the well, you know, I buy um when I want to treat myself because I don't uh because I had some uh you know heart issues or whatever, so I don't want to eat red meat all the time.
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:02.079
So I just buy like the once a month the best, you know, dry age New York strew.
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:02.640
Nice.
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:03.359
Treat yourself, treatment.
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:04.400
Treat myself, you know.
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:06.160
And then I I I like to keep it fairly bare.
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:11.440
You know, I put it on the grill, put a little bit of salt and pepper, and you know a bit of a purist when it comes to the meat.
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:12.400
Yeah, I kind of love it.
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:12.960
Okay.
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.400
And got to make sure it's sort of rare, medium rare.
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:16.960
Okay.
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:17.440
All right.
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:18.720
Pizza or tacos?
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:20.799
Uh I'd go with tacos.
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:23.599
Do you have a favorite taco place in town?
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:31.680
No, I do have a favorite pizza place, so I love it's uh I love La Pizzeria in Mount Pleasant.
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:33.119
Just awesome if you haven't been there.
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:33.759
Yeah, no.
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:35.680
Gosh, it's a hole in all.
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.960
Just come across Ravenel Bridge, go up to Coleman Boulevard.
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:40.799
It's No, I haven't been there.
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:41.599
On the left, yes.
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:42.400
It is good.
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:43.279
Good.
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:43.440
Yep.
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:43.839
Solid?
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:44.240
All right.
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:45.119
You have to keep it in mind.
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:46.000
Really solid.
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:46.880
Good, good, good place.
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:47.599
Okay.
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:54.319
Uh well, you've so we have a frozen yogurt or ice cream question, but I assume you're more of an ice cream versus frozen yogurt.
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:57.440
Actually, you know, again, I just try to be health conscious.
00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:00.240
I would probably eat a yogurt ninety times out of ten.
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:01.359
Yeah, that makes sense.
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:03.680
Mustard or ketchup on a hot dog?
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:05.279
I would do both.
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:06.000
Both?
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:06.720
Yeah, man.
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:07.920
Always both, huh?
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:08.160
Yeah.
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:13.200
Is there a type of uh mustard or ketchup that you prefer when you're putting both on your hot dog?
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:15.200
Oh, I'm just a traditional man, you know.
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.000
Uh just your regular yellow mustard.
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:19.200
American mustard.
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:22.000
You know, in England, you know, we have a thing called English mustard.
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:23.440
Have you ever had an English mustard?
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:25.759
Is that like a great coupon or like that sort of mustard?
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:27.599
Is it a spicy mustard mustard?
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:28.559
It's hot.
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:30.480
So um I have I like that.
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:31.119
I like this.
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:32.720
I like a mustard with a little bite.
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:40.240
Well, I had one uncle once in Tennessee who uh and so I he's like to my mom, he says, I really like mustard.
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:45.200
And so she had English mustard, and we were and so she just piled on this mustard.
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:47.200
He um he had a surprise.
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:53.359
Uh uh as a side, hush puppies or french fries?
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:55.440
I would do french fries.
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:57.759
Do you have a particular kind you like?
00:30:58.000 --> 00:30:59.680
Like a skinny waffle cut?
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:07.519
Oh, I l I like uh probably crinkle cut, but I also um I kind of like the Chick-fil-A uh You do, huh?
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:08.240
Yeah, all right.
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:10.640
You have a favorite soft drink?
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:17.200
Uh favorite soft drink, I would go um you know, Diet Coke, maybe.
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:17.920
Okay.
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:26.079
Well, we have a question here about favorite off-the-clock activity, but you know, in terms of golf, do you have a favorite course that you like regionally?
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.400
Uh regionally I'm a member at Bulls Bay, so if either of you guys play golf or play Bulls Bay.
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:31.279
Not me, unfortunately.
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:36.160
So um and uh so that's my uh that's my hangout these days.
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.240
Do you have a favorite off-the-clock activity that you like to do alone?
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.039
Um I probably read a lot, you know.
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:45.519
Okay.
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:53.279
Um and you know, uh I I do enjoy watching sports on TV, and my wife doesn't particularly uh most of the time.
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:54.640
So you're alone when you do that?
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:58.160
What uh particular sport you like to watch?
00:31:58.480 --> 00:31:59.920
Well, I love college football.
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:01.279
Um that's great.
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:05.680
I also love um you know the obviously the uh English soccer football.
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:11.440
And these days you can even get, you know, um England and rugby over here occasionally things like that when they have the World Cup.
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:11.839
Yeah.
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:16.160
So do you do you have a favorite team that you follow in the Premier League or lower level?
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:21.200
Yeah, so I used to go to the Chelsea Games and also when I lived in Munich, I went to the Byron Games.
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.119
Yeah, and that was pretty awesome.
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:23.839
Yeah, I bet.
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:24.720
Oh yeah.
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:29.519
Um favorite music band from your youth?
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:31.599
Favorite music band from my youth.
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:38.240
Well, I was um, you know, I uh from real young, I guess I liked the Beatles, you know, that would be the British invasion.
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:39.440
You know, the British invasion.
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:44.960
But then later on, I'd kind of liked uh people like say not a band, but you know Gordon Lightfoot.
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:46.000
Yeah, people like that.
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:46.960
Good stuff.
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:47.359
Yeah.
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:54.240
This is kind of an unfair question to ask during this time of year, particularly given the past several weeks we've had, but do you prefer cold or hot weather?
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:58.720
Um I would rather take the hot than the cold.
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.559
So I could l I'd prefer to stay in the south and move really cold north.
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:03.279
Mm-hmm.
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:06.960
Uh barbecue big around here.
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.720
Do you have a favorite uh sauce, mustard, vinegar, tomato based?
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:12.559
Uh well, Chris, I've got to be honest.
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.519
Uh last time I had a barbecue was with Mark.
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:25.119
Uh and uh because you know I don't eat a lot of red meat and things like that, although I know it's pork and chicken and things, I don't really do much barbecue.
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:25.920
That's fair.
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:26.720
That's fair.
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:28.960
Plane train or automobile?
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:30.799
Oh, I'd rather go on plane.
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:33.680
I like to visit places, journey, you know.
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:34.160
Okay.
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:36.319
Do you have a favorite kind of plane?
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:36.960
Oh.
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:39.200
Um no, not really.
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:41.759
I don't you know, people go, oh, I'm going on this, I'm going on that.
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:42.880
That would be our family.
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:43.039
Yeah.
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:43.359
Yeah.
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:44.160
We'll tax it.
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:46.000
No, no.
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:47.759
As long as it gets me there safely, you know.
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:49.039
And not too many connections.
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:50.720
I don't like the real small ones.
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:53.359
They tend to be a little too uneasy with turbulence.
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:54.079
I don't like that.
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:55.279
So the bigger the better.
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:56.960
They feel faster.
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:02.240
Uh toothpaste tube dispensing method?
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:04.559
Oh, I think I'm probably just traditional.
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:08.880
You know, I just squeeze out of the middle and then a scientific appearance.
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:10.000
Finally, someone.
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:10.480
Yeah.
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:13.039
You know, then if they're in, just squeeze it up in the side.
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:21.039
You know, when I was younger, I don't know if you guys were around, they also had those uh toothpaste where you just press on the side of the button and it just fenced up.
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:22.400
I don't know whatever happened to that.
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:23.920
I don't know what that is.
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:25.599
Yeah, yeah, I remember those.
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:27.119
Yeah, I don't I don't know.
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:28.480
I don't know what happened.
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:29.920
Popcorn, yes or no?
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:30.880
Oh, I love popcorn.
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:32.239
How do you like to prepare?
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:33.360
What do you like to put on it?
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:35.760
Oh, I'm uh so here's a little aside.
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:43.760
You know, first time I went to England, back to England as a little kid, you know, I went to a theater and I ordered popcorn and uh and I went, ugh.
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.000
And it turns out it had sugar on it.
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:48.880
Oh and it's you didn't like that, huh?
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:49.760
No, I did not.
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:50.960
I was expecting salt.
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:52.800
Yeah, when you're expecting something, right?
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:59.519
That's a bit of a and and so it was really it was interesting because English, you know, we put sugar or salt.
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.840
So you have to it's sort of like American coffee, you know.
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:02.400
How do you want it?
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:03.840
You know, do you want a sugar or salt?
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:06.719
And so, but I'm definitely a salt guy, not a sugar guy.
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:07.760
Do you make it at home?
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:08.559
All the time, yeah.
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:09.599
How do you make it at home?
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:11.199
What what do you use to prepare the pot?
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:19.599
Oh, we we have um just a little there's a little plastic thing, I can't remember its name, a little red plastic thing, and you just put some oil in and then you put in the microwave.
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:20.000
Okay.
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:27.599
But you know, so you're taking orval, read and backer, or whatever type of popcorn seeds, you know, and put that in there and do it.
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:29.119
So it's not in the bag or anything like that.
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:30.480
That's your go-to every time.
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:32.000
That's your mechanism for making popcorn.
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:33.360
Oh yeah, I mean I love that.
00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:33.679
I love it.
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:34.159
It's good for you.
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:35.679
All right, good stuff.
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:36.159
Okay.
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:41.519
So uh before we close, if if if we are going to an event about you, uh an entrance song.
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:42.559
You're a celebrity.
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:43.280
You're a celebrity.
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:43.679
It's Dr.
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:44.239
Wyman.
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:44.639
Here he goes.
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:45.199
He's walking out.
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:46.639
He's walking out.
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:54.239
I mean, they got his his newest toy that he has designed, and this is the big reveal, and here you are, and what is your entrance song?
00:35:54.559 --> 00:36:03.840
Uh you know, I I haven't thought about it, but I would I would love uh I'm not really a big fan, but maybe something crazy like a Metallica song or something like that.
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:11.920
I like that enter San You know We gotta do it, make it a lot of it.
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:15.199
Well, Dr.
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:21.519
Bartman, thanks so much for sharing today about your time off the clock and for giving listeners an alternate glimpse into your life outside the classroom.
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:22.639
We really appreciate it.
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:27.519
And as a personalized marketing tool, we'll ask you to display in your office to bring attention to the podcast.
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:32.559
We'll soon be presenting with you to you a bobblehead to present your lighter side as revealed to us today.
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:33.039
So thank you.
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:33.840
Awesome guys.
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:40.480
Stay tuned for next month's installment when we learn more about the life off the clock of another college.
