Lincoln: Welcome to the Dime Coverage Podcast. You know, this is where we we cover the biggest stories in football. from the NFL, college, business of the game. You know, we're cutting through the headlines, we're debating the hottest topics, and we're giving you real analysis with the hot takes included. Hey, I'm Lincoln Parks. We got Lee. We got Doc. Fellas, what's going on, man?
Donald "Doc" Glass: Pretty good, now how you?
Lee Glass: What's going on? What's going on?
Lincoln: Good, good, good. Hey, look, so you know, just just I I I want you guys, I I I I pulled something up, and I want you guys to tell me when I say this, what what what comes to mind right away. Everybody's gonna get it, but you know. So you got these names Ryan Clark, Carl Ravich, Tom Palaisero, David Lloyd, Stephanie Abell. Charles Davis, Cam Newton, Bart Scott, Andres Hale, Dan had had the Jucky. Yeah, I don't know. I don't I don't know that guy. But anyway, all of these names, all of these names are are casualties from ESPN. You know, I was really shocked, man. and and just talking about this, you know, just talking about this previous to us jumping on. I was I didn't hear about Charles Davis. I was really, really shocked about Charles Davis because you know Charles Davis was one of my favorite guys. you know, analysts, NFL analysts. And, you know, I I I was really shocked to see that. I know the headline was Ryan Clark, and Ryan Clark has really done a great job. I see a lot of stuff out there with people calling him a racist, and he should have been gone a long time ago. I I definitely see those comments, yes.
Lee Glass: Yeah.
Lincoln: and and as we're going through it, I'm gonna pull a couple of those up and and and share those with you guys and what people are talking about. But yeah, it's it's it's interesting how this has all came about. Restructuring, they're saying, you know, contracts, you know, a lot of things going on. I heard now you guys could correct me if I'm wrong or not, but Ryan Clark did not even know the day of he was on set live and
Lee Glass: Yeah, let's let's let's get into that.
Donald "Doc" Glass: yeah.
Lincoln: The executives heard that it was gonna go live on the wires that he was getting laid off. He did they didn't want him to know this on, you know, fair find it out on social media, right, right, right there on the desk. So they pulled him off during a commercial break and and laid him off right there on the spot. man, you talk about doomsday. I don't know, you know, those are some great analysts. but I I I I want to hear what you guys thought, man, because I I was really shocked.
Lee Glass: Mm.
Lincoln: And really just shocked up to now, knowing that Charles Davis also was a part of this list. But I mean, what what you guys think about?
Lee Glass: No, so I actually I watched that broadcast with Ryan Clark. when I heard the story of of what happened, I went and took a look at the at the show. It was NFL Live. It comes on around four o'clock Eastern Standard Time. And at about the 40 minute mark, that's exactly what happened. And Ryan was actually carrying the show. Okay. and you know, you you saw him, of course, up until that point, you had the commercial break, you came back. No more Ryan Clark. So it seems to be accurate. He didn't come back to the show af after that point. it it's a bad look, but ESPN doesn't care, right? They're they're big, big time conglomerate organization, studio, network, what what have you. And they're just gonna keep it pushing. The only problem is now it seems like ESPN is gonna be very top heavy. Right, you got Stephen A. Smith, you got Pat McAfee, and then everybody else. And I d don't know how sustainable that's gonna be, but they seem to be hitching their wagon to those two guys and it's gonna be interesting. When situations like this happen, it I think it creates opportunities for other people, other networks, other businesses, other, you know, networks, and it's gonna be I I I wonder who's gonna pick up some of those talented analysts, bring them in. and try to at least nip at the heels, right, of ESPN. It's gonna be pretty difficult, but you know, I think that's something that we should probably look out for.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Remember that with the deal that they s that NFL and I guess ESPN Disney did if I remember correctly, NFL network got absorbed slash owned by ESPN for the NFL to have a ten percent interest stake in ESPN. So now you got all you know, a bunch of these shows that would be on let's say ESPN and NFL network and now kinda you got too many too many too many reporters, so they're trying to Whittle whittle it down some. But of course at the same time when you get rid of some really good analysts, Brian Clark, controversial as he may be, is a really good analyst and you know Charles Davis, other guys seem to be getting a a a a a raise in their salary. So it's not like they don't have money, they're just redistributing how how much they pay in people. And as as as Lee said, it's gonna be a a lot more Top heavier than before. Right. So, Yeah, but you know, to do to do the guy when I say do the guy dirty, you tell him in between the break and I I I don't think I would go back on the show for the last twenty minutes if y'all tell me y'all gonna fire me tomorrow, but you're telling me now 'cause we at least won't tell you to your face now that it's out there that you're about to get fired, so we at least won't tell you in person so you don't read it on social media.
Lee Glass: Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: You on you ain't on the screen. Your cell phone starts buzzing. You take a look down and see you've been fired. So so we go we're gonna tell you during the break just just just in case.
Lee Glass: Jesus. That's crazy. I mean yeah, I E ESPN I don't have any faith that ESPN is going to not necessarily do right, but I I I think these shows they they're gonna get worse. You look at what happened with ESPN Sports Center and Sports Center used to be that used to be the sport broadcast everyone would flock to going back like twenty some odd years ago and you had a lot of really good analysts, a lot of good personalities, it was a show within the show. And then, you know, ever since Disney came in, that that, you know, that went by the wayside. Now they just acquired, as you said, Doc, NFL, the NFL Network. NFL Live has been a premium show for for the past couple of years. Emmy Award winning show with Ryan Clark being one of the main correspondents there and making these decisions. I would predict that NFL Live s slowly but surely is going to come to the same. situation as sports center is not gonna be nearly as entertaining nearly as informative as we would like it we as we remember it being and that's gonna go by the wayside too so it's it's it's disheartening as a fan watching this happen because you know people like Ryan Clark, Charles Davis, those guys, they brought a lot of value to the production. They brought a lot of value, a lot of insight. And, you know, I I guess that's just something that ESPN slash Disney, they don't value that. You know, so we'll see. We'll see how this all works out. But the world of podcasts, because Ryan Ryan Clark, he has his, he has the pivot. So people are gonna have to go there now to see him. Not that they weren't seeing him there before, but he may get even more viewership because of this. So that can get bolstered. And I don't know. I just feel like something interesting is gonna happen from all of this. There's gonna be fallout. Your audio links.
Donald "Doc" Glass: So th you know the other thing when you're talking about, you know, ESPN making these kind of decisions, remember back in the day Mike Mike Tarico was with was with ESPN and his contract his contract came up and they decided not to re sign him. So, you know, he goes to I wanna say NBC and next thing you know he's he's calling a Super Bowl and then gotta run and then go and do the Olympics, right?
Lee Glass: Right. Yeah. Super Bowl. Yep. Right.
Donald "Doc" Glass: So and as one of those like, you know, ESPN's like, Yeah, you know, he did a great time here and you know, we we wish him nothing but the best and you know, we're glad to see he's done well, but and I'm I'm sure there's gonna be some other guys here who go on to bigger and better things now that they've left ESPN and it's gonna be like, Hey, that's that's where they used to be and now now look at now. So
Lee Glass: Yeah. Yeah.
Lincoln: that. what I was saying was, you know, Tom, what's his name? Cam Newton just said today. He said, Look, it's okay. He understands. He said, you know, he wanna give a shout out to a lot of the guys that really Pointed out some things for him and really helped him out, you know, with learning some things and making sure he was prepared and all of this stuff, right? And he said, in this day and age, and Lee, you just said this, if you don't have your own platform. It's it you you you are going to you are going to if if companies like ESPN and these people like this let you go, you could you could fade out into the sunset and nobody ever hear from you again. And and that's it. But now you have the leverage
Lee Glass: Yep. Yep.
Lincoln: You know, you've already been on TV and I expect this to pick up even more, you know, with guys with podcasts, you know, that Ryan Clark is gonna be okay, Lee, like you said, with Pivot Podcast. Cam Newton's gonna be okay. He has fourth and one. You know, a lot of these guys, Emmanuel Archo, remember with that with Speakeasy, you know, and and and he was just talking about that, you know, with him purchasing a he he bought the Speakeasy domain and and channel from Shannon. Sharp, I believe he said, and then just took it on from there. So look, guys are creating opportunities for themselves, and I think a lot of people need to continue to create opportunities for themselves because as ESPN and you know they're making these decisions, look, that's ESPN's platform. And ESPN will continue to go on and they will continue to do what they do. But yes, it has changed. When you look at Stuart Scott and the and the and the professional that that's I mean, I used to watch Stuart Stuart
Lee Glass: Mm.
Lincoln: Scott, just pure entertainment, man. Just pure entertainment. Just watching. I don't tune into ESPN like that right now. because it's not as entertaining as it used to be. And a lot of these guys ha are having their own platforms and people are tuning into their individual platforms. And I think that it's gonna is gonna open it up for for other guys to really jump in and and look, if I if if If it were me in in in this kind of position, what I would have done is partner up with some of these other guys that got you know that got fired and you know, you create you you you could create, you know, your own platform podcast where man you got the analysts, you got everybody. I mean you you got it. People are going to tune in and see what you guys got going on. So, you know, it's it's it's definitely gonna be opportunity for for for guys to really succeed with that.
Lee Glass: Yeah, so I I agree. I think the the the run with podcasts going on now, especially with players and and you see Micah Parsons and all these other all these guys, some are doing the better than others. I wanna s want to put that out there all right first. But I think now you see a lot of these athletes, especially ones that have just recently retired, they're picking up that mantle, they're going in there just creating their own platform, creating their own avenue, in that sports communication, sports reporting, sports analytic world. And that's gonna eat away at some of these big time networks, right? Fox is already feeling a big, big hit from that. and you know, ESPN, I think at some point it's it's gonna catch up. They're bolstering, I think, their their portfolio with a lot of the the the the channel and the broadcast revenues that they and the deals that they're making from that, getting all of the events, but from a you know, sports talk perspective. It just doesn't seem to be hidden. It doesn't seem I don't think they're making a lot of good decisions, man. They're just not. You know, and and and Disney does this. Disney kills everything. They kill Star Wars, right? They they pro probably gonna kill Marvel, right? So and and now they doing they I mean they're just doing a horrible job, I think, with ESPN. Outside of the events, like I get that they got the money you spend it. They're just outspending people for this stuff. It's like no brainer type acquisitions, but
Lincoln: Yeah, yeah.
Lee Glass: Trying to be a little more strategic, a little bit more streamlined with the content itself. It's not it's not hitting.
Lincoln: Yeah, yeah. It's that, it's that
Donald "Doc" Glass: And and just just to be clear, they did not kill Game of Thrones. I know people may think that's true, but they they didn't acquire Game of Thrones to kill the Game of Thrones season season ten. I just wanna we're gonna leave them to get off the hook just a little bit. But
Lee Glass: They impacted it. They impacted it. They impacted it. Yeah. I blame them for that too. I blame them for that too. Because those guys, they would writing was spectacular until they got called in to do that horrible Star Wars trilogy crap. And they didn't even end up doing it. But they they shortened their, you know, they shortened the the Game of Thrones of the last couple of episodes. They just threw some garbage out there. And look, this yeah, right.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Yep. Yep.
Lincoln: No.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Mm. Starbucks cup.
Lincoln: Yeah.
Lee Glass: Look it up. If you don't know what we're talking about, look it up. Look up Starbucks and Game of Thrones. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: So they do so they do they do they do they do kill they do kill everything. Stop
Lincoln: Look at it, yeah. Yeah. Hey, it's inevitable, man. Inevitable. When you see doing stuff
Donald "Doc" Glass: They do kill everything. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Lee Glass: Horrible horrible. Stick to Mickey Mouse man.
Lincoln: like that. man, so the NFL suspended Arizona Cardinals Director of College Scouting Ryan Gold indefinitely for violating the league's gambling policy. The so the league found that Gold placed parlay bets on NFL and college games and leaked confidential non-public inside information regarding the team's twenty twenty six draft picks. It never ends, man. It never ends. I w when when are you going to learn? And and look, I I don't even think this is gonna be this this isn't even the pinnacle of the examples, right? Because people, even though this has happened, it's still happening. Guys still doing it right now. Right now, they doing the same thing. They're getting prepared, ready for the season. and and NFL execs. I wouldn't I wouldn't even I don't know. I You you got everybody in NFL organizations when gambling got into you know infused into this, it's going it's it's it's taking its place and unfortunately guys that have inside information about teams are going to leak this information and they're going to use the information to line their pockets, other people's pockets and and you're gonna hear about more stories coming down the line. I'm I'm I'm absolutely hundred percent sure of it. I don't I don't know it, but I'm a hundred percent sure there's more of this going on and and this is just the tip of the iceberg, man. when you're doing stuff like this, it it's it's it's ruining the game. It's just it's it's it's it's ruining the it's ruining the game for for for for fans, you know, to to really you know, people already are skeptical, but now you you with all of this coming out, man, you you you're making it you're making it horrible for for for fans that want to see the pureness of the sport. It's I don't know. I I I don't know how this stops. I don't think it will.
Lee Glass: It's not gonna stop. it's I think it's just a brand new world now. they're ruining the game for the purists, yes. But they have an injection of new viewers, I won't even call them fans, but viewers who get that high off of hitting those parlays. Okay, so they're following the money, and the money is saying continue the so you know the the gambling trend and keep infusing it into sports. People are watching, not for their team to win, but to see if Their player is going to get 3.5 rebounds by the end of game. Okay. So with that being said, I think these NFL organizations, the basketball organizations, the baseball organizations, all of these teams now, all these sports, they're gonna have to do a much better job of scrutinizing personnel, people that they got coming in and being a part of these decisions and having access to intimate information. You have to do a much better job of making sure that those guys are on the up and up. Gambling addiction is a thing. People, it's compulsory. Like people can't some people they just cannot help themselves. They have no control over themselves when it comes to, you know, making a bet or hitting a parlay or whatever it may be. And so now you have to really, really scrutinize what people are doing, lock down some of those devices. You can't let them, you know, in, you know, I I think with the NFL it's just that you can't gamble. Well, one, you can't gamble on on your team, on your sport, but you can't also gamble anything do anything in the facility. Right. So you have to really be on your Ps and Q's now and you have to make that adjustment. Outside of that, to your point length, it's not going away.
Donald "Doc" Glass: The the the the thing about it is everybody else can make money on your team except you and the other players, coaches, execs, whatever, right? I mean you you're making good money, don't get me wrong. But you feel like but but you feel like everybody else making money off of you and you can't make money a and you got more information than everybody else, so I mean Why can't you, you know? the interesting thing here with Reingold, and no, he he denies, you know, the accusations. Lawyer says his name's gonna be cleared, is you know, lawyer saying, hey, he he didn't place he didn't give any information on who the Arizona Cardinals are gonna pick because he don't make the picks, right? That's like the GM and the head coach working together. But he is the director.
Lee Glass: Who makes the picks, Doc? But who makes the picks?
Donald "Doc" Glass: sorry, the owner because they ain't really gotta g they really gotta give. But but they but here's the thing, he is the director of college scouting. So he may not make the picks, but he has a pretty good idea when it's all said and done, what that rank list is gonna look like.
Lincoln: Exactly. Influence, yes.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Then the other big allegation, of course, is that he's making these parlay bets on college games and NFL games. And it's like, no, it wasn't him, it was his wife. And the wife was making these ten dollar parlay bets with a bunch of her high school friends. Right? Hey, let hey, let's let's assume that's true. Let's assume it's true, right? You
Lincoln: man, stop it. Yeah, yeah. That's so far fetched.
Donald "Doc" Glass: At some point you need to go to your spouse and be like, hey, the optics don't look good.
Lincoln: Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: I need for you to not get that high off of the $10 parlay bet with your friends. Cause my job security is now questionable with you making these bets and folks wondering if I'm giving you any information. So it would behoove us as a couple, as a unit, as two who have become one. To not make bets. I'm just I'm just saying. Like some someone need hear that message and need to talk to some significant other they got. Like, based upon my job, you should not be making bets with your high school friends. Cause it may look bad. I'm just I'm just saying.
Lee Glass: So So is the lawyer trying to get us to believe that the wife is making bets on his fan duel accounts or his you know, whatever she didn't have one, so she's going on his accounts to make these bets with her friends and the money's going into his account, not hers. Like that that doesn't make any sense.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Mm-hmm.
Lincoln: She didn't have her own man. Mm, mm, mm.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Look, when it comes to trust, she may know the passwords, you know, you just make sure that you ain't got nothing to hide. And then, you know, she right?
Lincoln: It's a open relationship, man. Yeah.
Lee Glass: No. That's dumb. It doesn't make any sense. That's just dumb. Who's this lawyer? What's the lawyer's name? What's the lawyer's name?
Lincoln: well That's
Donald "Doc" Glass: Ha ha.
Lincoln: your thing.
Donald "Doc" Glass: let me finally do his name. Mike Caspino. Mike Caspino.
Lee Glass: Fire that guy.
Lincoln: Yeah. That's the story you came up with. All this money I'm paying you.
Lee Glass: That's the best Mike Aspino.
Lincoln: All this money I'm paying you. That's the story you come up with.
Lee Glass: That's the best you could come up with. Jeez.
Donald "Doc" Glass: She was the one placing the bets. It wasn't him. And cause he don't make the draft picks. He couldn't have leaked information because he didn't know.
Lincoln: Man. shoot. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, man. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you you can't you you you can't make that up, man. Stop it. Just just
Lee Glass: Crazy. That's crazy.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Yeah.
Lee Glass: Were the bet were the bats hitting? Was w w w was he winning?
Lincoln: At least win.
Donald "Doc" Glass: They don't say, so I'm guessing not. So but no, but but but these but these folks also don't realize that because of the way technology is now, the same thing that makes it so easy to bet is the same thing that makes it so easy to see a barren season the betting pattern. Right? Like wait a second, why is there so much action on this one particular pick? Huh, let's investigate. yep, yep. That explains it.
Lee Glass: I mean.
Lincoln: Man.
Lee Glass: Okay.
Lincoln: Yeah. Right.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Right. So it's like, hey, you you could get the information, but if you put in fifty times the amount of action on that thing, they gonna figure it out real quick and they're gonna start snooping. So it it it's it's easier to bet, but it's also easier for them to figure out why is there more action on the twenty-seventh pick than the fifteenth pick. That don't make no sense unless someone getting some insider information on pick twenty-seven.
Lincoln: Right.
Donald "Doc" Glass: So
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah, boy. Hey, we we we we said that I don't know. I don't know. People just not smart, man. Not smart. Like you say, like you say, Lee, fire that fire fire fire that lawyer, man. Fire. so the New York Giants running back Cam Scar Scatterboo, sparked widespread concern and went viral. after failing to land his trademark backflip over the last weekend in New York City. When when you have I mean the dude the dude literally rip his ankle off. Right? I mean it it it it it literally was off. Dangling. No. Literally right and
Lee Glass: Not a figure of speech, yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Mystangling.
Lincoln: And so you are getting back. Okay, you supposed to be one of these players that, hey, the where where the Giants are infusing some some youth in here. They're they're they're they're they're ready to get back. Okay, you had this freak accident that happened. You just trying to get back on the field for another th dude, NFL careers don't last long. Why? Just tell me why, Cam. What are you doing, man? Who are you? What is the deal? Because if you're a New York Giants fan and you got Jackson Dart, who out there saying he's just gonna run into people. Hey, he don't he don't care. I'm just gonna run into people at first. I'm not going out of bounds. I'm I'm just gonna play like how I play. This is me, this is what I do. And then you got Cam Scattaboo doing backflips, you know, where you don't break your ankle again. I mean, that's gonna happen. That could easily happen again in the in the season, dude. Why are you doing it outside of the season? It's just ridiculous that these dudes are are are doing this stuff, man. It's crazy.
Lee Glass: I I I was about to just go full admonishment on him, right? Because you know, we were talking about this before before we we recording, you know, it it's not smart, you know, like you know, what are you thinking? And I said, let me put myself in his shoes, right? Let's let's let's think about let's put ourselves in his shoes, right? If you could at any time, any moment
Lincoln: Yeah. Go go yeah, go good, yeah. Hmm. Yeah.
Lee Glass: Just bust a backflip. I mean just I mean, just just cause on a whim, it don't matter. I'm in the supermarket. I'm going out for into the park, I'm going to ch I could just bust a backflip in the parking
Lincoln: Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: All day every day.
Lincoln: You could do it. You could do it.
Lee Glass: All day every day. All day every day. All day every day. I can't be mad at it. I I I I can't be mad. I can't be mad at it. All day. Think about it.
Lincoln: man, kidding me. man, you're kidding me, man. boy.
Donald "Doc" Glass: They'd be calling me Blackfoot.
Lee Glass: Come on, Lynx. Link, yeah you you you going out to check the mail, you check the mail, you get the ball, and you're going back to the to the house and just bust a backflip.
Lincoln: Yeah. Do it.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Little Timmy's like, Do it for
Lincoln: man. That's ridiculous, man. boy.
Lee Glass: You know the little you like like dark you know the the little boy in the neighbor he said, Hey Mr. Parks, you can you can you bust up shust the backflip
Lincoln: Just because, man, just because. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. man.
Lee Glass: Just because. Just because. I can't be I can't I can't be mad at him, man. Like look, do do do it while you still can. Do it while you still can't. Just but bust your back flip, dude. You know, you're a fourth round running back, you ain't got much time in the left in the league, right?
Lincoln: Do your thing, man. Do your thing. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Man, it's
Lincoln: Do what you can right now. Yeah.
Lee Glass: Bus bust your backflip. Yeah. Do it.
Donald "Doc" Glass: It i if the dude had finished the season, it'd be one thing, but you coming off a lower leg injury?
Lee Glass: Doc, he could still do the backflip.
Lincoln: He could do it. He could do it. man. boy.
Lee Glass: You know what it is to come off of that injury and you can still do a backflip?
Donald "Doc" Glass: You could still almost do a backflip 'cause ain't landed.
Lincoln: He didn't lie to no, he didn't lie to it. When he was up in the air, look, what'd he say?
Donald "Doc" Glass: No Matt.
Lee Glass: He explained it. He explained it. He he explained, he said, well, he said the the the surface was a little bit too cushiony. Right? So when he landed, it was a little bit of a bounce to it. So he just he just lost his footing. He he he landed, he just he lost his footing. Not landing it is falling directly on top of your head. That's not landing the backflip. Right? But he he could still do it.
Lincoln: Okay. Yeah. Lost his foot. Lost his foot. Okay.
Donald "Doc" Glass: On your head.
Lincoln: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, shoot, I thought he was when he was upside down he like, Boy, I don't know I don't know how this gonna go. I don't know, I better bring I better tuck. I better tuck. He got it. Boy, that's crazy, man.
Lee Glass: Nah no, he was good. Yep.
Donald "Doc" Glass: but but but but
Lee Glass: You do a backflip on command like that? Come on.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Dude, the dude's a meathead. He's he he's a professional football player, meat led. He won't be in the league long, meathead, but that's a meathead move. To do a backflip after coming off a leg injury, not land it to be like, it doesn't matter. I'm still gonna be me. I'm still gonna be me. Right? And and for those who don't understand what we're talking about, whether not lasting long in the league.
Lee Glass: I wish I I wish I could do that. I'm still gonna be mean, yeah.
Lincoln: Sagamy. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Mike Allstart was like 6'1, 250 pounds. Like that was a big full back Bruce and dude. You your your drone better says like 250. you know. I mean, shoot, even Ron Dane, who wouldn't hit nobody, would do the wiggle was like 245. This dude is like 215, 220, 5'10. Right? Like he is not he is not a big guy. Them linebackers were bigger than him. I mean, you got lighter linebackers in the league nowadays. So when you're deciding to run full tilt into people, by choice and you smaller than them, it don't take long. So
Lincoln: No.
Lee Glass: No, he take he he takes a lot of punishment when he runs. It's just his style. It's effective for him. But to Doc's point, right, when we say he's not gonna last long, that style is not it it it doesn't bear well for those type of players in the long run unless he makes some drastic adjustments, right? If he knows how to elude the big hits, get out of bounds when needed, but that's just not his mentality. He's gonna go head first into whomever's in front of him and
Donald "Doc" Glass: Yeah. For now.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Lee Glass: you know, two well, three maybe three more seasons, that that that's not gonna his body's not gonna react well to that.
Lincoln: What? Yeah. Yeah. The Giants the Giants got some you know, they they their their whole franchise is up in the air right now. you got Jackson Dart who don't who, like you say, don't wanna listen. You got Cam Scattaboo who's gonna continue to be himself and do his thing. Malik Neighbors is injured, you know, and we'll see if he bounces back this year. you got you got your whole that's the that's your team. That's your offense, right? And they
Lee Glass: Mm-hmm.
Lincoln: They're making boneheaded decisions right now. These get the the Giants have paid you guys and And you and and you want to gamble the future of I I wonder if they put anything in their contracts. I don't think they put any if they restructure their contracts to say, Hey look, y'all can't do n none of this stuff. None of this stuff. You know, I don't know if they could go back and add that at this point right now, but unless they negotiate in something, but boy, the Giants are gonna be in trouble. If these guys stick with that same mindset, you know, throughout this next NFL season, I could see two of the three of them being out again. in
Lee Glass: Mm-hmm. So you're saying Cam Scott should have a they should give him a a no backflip clause? Is that it? Yeah? No, no, no backflip.
Lincoln: He got he gotta have a no backflip clause. He gotta have a no back. He can't do it. Like you say he could do it on a dime right now, but it it don't it don't he can't no, no. We gotta scratch that out. No backflips.
Lee Glass: Ha ha ha.
Lincoln: Put a clause in there, man. Put that clause in there. man.
Lee Glass: You can see him coming coming come into the facility. Hey, why why you why you limping? Would you nothing? Did you did you did you backflip?
Lincoln: No.
Donald "Doc" Glass: My wife did the backflip. My wife did the backflip.
Lincoln: You out here backflipping again? man. Yeah. Yeah man. This is it's it's comical. It's comical with these fellas. Hey. Keep back flipping, Scam Cam. Keep back flipping, Jackson Dot. Keep running into I'm in the NFC East, so look, I to see it, man. Keep doing it. good deal. Good deal. Yeah, yeah.
Lee Glass: Okay. boy. I was waiting for that one. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Shameless plug. Shameless plug.
Lincoln: I I I I have to, man. I have to. I have to. It was just hanging out there. I you know, it was hanging out there. Hey, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna transition now into questions on a dime. Lee, take it away, man.
Lee Glass: So th this is a a long winded one. I was trying to figure out how I was gonna phrase this, right? So you know, we've been talking about coaches for for a while, right? You know, Siriani and all these other guys and you know, McVeigh, even O'Connell, right? So we always talk about who's the best coach, why they're good at what they do, what makes them great. but I I just I had a a question that was just burning in me, like who who would we consider the worst coach to have ever won a Super Bowl?
Lincoln: Mm.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Mm.
Lee Glass: Okay. Now I wanna keep it sort of like in the modern era, like going just like let's maybe going back maybe 30 years at most.
Lincoln: Yeah.
Lee Glass: Hold on. That takes him out of the running. 32 years at most, right? Right. And so in case you have a a hard time trying to come up with some names, I came up with some and just a few bullet points as to why I think they should be on this list. And wanting to know who was the worst out of this bunch. If you have some others, then we can definitely discuss them as well. Okay. So
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Lee Glass: I'm gonna start. I'm gonna start with Gary Kubiak, 2015 Broncos. Okay. they won with their defense. Okay. The defense carried that team. the offensive scheme had to be heavily modified, right? And carried with, you know, Peyton Manning. Manning was really running the show. but Kubiak himself, as a coach, you never really hear heard Hyde nor hear of him before that Super Bowl.
Lincoln: Mm. Yeah. Yeah.
Lee Glass: Or after that Super Bowl. Right? So that that I want to start with him. I'm going to put him on that list. next, I'm gonna go with Brian Billick. Okay, he was with the Ravens in 2000, won the Super Bowl with them. Brian Billick made a name for himself being the offensive coordinator for the Minnesota Vikings. Okay, when they had Chris Carter, Randy Morse, right? And
Lincoln: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Chris Cotto, Ronnie Moss. Dante Peppel,
Lincoln: Mm-hmm.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Jake
Lee Glass: Dante Call Pepper, right? They were high flying.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Reed, yep, Robert Smith.
Lee Glass: So the Ravens, they picked him up thinking that okay, that offensive success is gonna now be moved and translated over here to Baltimore. And we ain't never seen nothing even remotely close to the Ravens looking like the Minnesota Vikings. Okay. Not even from an innovative standpoint. So we all know that that two thousand team they won basically you know, on their defense and special teams. another one, right, is gonna be well, he's well he's well loved. He's well loved in the community and the people who root for that franchise. But I think he should be on this list. That's Mike Ditka with the 85 Bears. Okay. Mike Ditka
Lincoln: Eighty five minutes might just be yeah. Okay, okay.
Lee Glass: May not be unbeknownst to people. He was an offensive guy. He was an offensive guy. That 85 Bears is not known for any offense. Not a lick of offense, actually. Okay? That was strictly 100% a defensive Super Bowl team ran by Buddy Ryan. It was so one-sided in terms of what promoted them to be successful that.
Lincoln: Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah.
Lee Glass: When they carried and lifted up the coach after winning, they lifted up the defensive coordinator.
Donald "Doc" Glass: DC.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Lee Glass: Not Mike Ditka. Okay. So I have him on this list and then of course I would be remiss not to have this guy, Barry Barry Switzer. With the right Barry Switzer with of course the Dallas Cowboys won the Super Bowl in when was that? Was that ninety four?
Lincoln: Mary Switzer, yeah. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Nirty five. Nirty five.
Lee Glass: Or ninety five ninety-five, right? And everybody knows how that why that happened. It was Jimmy Johnson's team. He was basically hanging on. I don't care what they said in in the in the documentary about how he tried to galvanize the team and bring the c bring the team together. Troy Aikman couldn't stand his guts. Right? So, right. And we all know he we we never heard hide nor hear of him again after that Super Bowl as well. So that's what I got to start it off.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Let's go, baby.
Lincoln: Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Lee Glass: We can pick
Lincoln: Yeah.
Lee Glass: from that list. If you have some other coaches that you wanna kinda bring into the equation, we can do that. But those are some of the coaches I I nominate as worst head coaches that won a Super Bowl.
Donald "Doc" Glass: That is that that that that is not a bad that is not a bad list. I didn't know you go back. I I did Yep. Go ahead.
Lincoln: Yeah, that's not that's not a bad list. I w I w I wanna throw I wanna throw one person in there. John Gruden.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Okay.
Lee Glass: So bef I'ma I'ma let you go, right? I have him on the list. I got John Gruden on the list, but I didn't know if I would be able to sell it. But let me hear what you gotta say, and then I'll let you and then I'll read my notes on it.
Lincoln: Yeah. Mm. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I I I I wanna throw John Gruden on this list because look, when he w you you look at the Raiders team, you know, that that that he had, right? But then look at the team in Tampa Bay when he won the Super Bowl. That was Tony Dungey's team. That was that was straight Tony Dungey team. He didn't have to do nothing. That team should have won the Super Bowl the year before with Tony Dungey. It was a complete team. They had everything ready to go. John Gruden just stepped in, inherited the team, took the team to the Super Bowl. He didn't have to do nothing. Don't get me wrong. John Gruden is is is very fancy with his X's and O's and this and that and that, you know, and he you know, Chucky and all this stuff like that. But guess what? I to this day, and I say that every time, I felt so bad for Tony Dungey that they let Tony Dungey go. I was glad he won one in in Indianapolis, right? I was so glad that he won that in Indy because it it it really it it it it made me
Lee Glass: With with the Colts. Yeah, yeah.
Lincoln: give a sigh of relief that that he won it one one. But yeah, that the when I look at that and I I the reason why I have to throw John on there is because that was Tony Dungey's team and and and he shouldn't have win it. Now it's really close. and and I got you doc, but it's really it's it's really close, you know, Barry Switzer and and Brian Billick. I Yeah it's it's it's
Lee Glass: Ha ha.
Lincoln: Between them three. I I I I I got a I I boy.
Lee Glass: So, so so okay, l let's put a pen in Billik and and and Barry Switzer, right? But the reason why I took John Ruden off of the list, okay, is because of the team that they played in the Super Bowl. Right? Well, well, okay, and I wanna hear what you gotta say about that because that team was his Raiders team that he was just one year removed from.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: That's why he's on the list. Keep going. Keep going. Yeah.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
Lee Glass: That was still running his offense. Which is
Lincoln: Yeah. His offense, yeah.
Lee Glass: also why going into that Super Bowl, he knew exactly what they were gonna do and told the defense, basically gave them the blueprint on what to do in order to stop that, you know, that that team, which is why it it was just, it wasn't even, it was a no-contest Super Bowl.
Lincoln: Every day. And then Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Brian Callahan was the head coach of the Raiders that went to a Super Bowl. Right? Like we we heard nothing before or nothing s and since. And because he went against Gruden, who knew what the office was gonna be because that's the system he ran, right? but it's the fact that that team went that team went to Super Bowl the year after John Gruden left with Brian Callaghan as the head coach.
Lee Glass: Right.
Donald "Doc" Glass: So it was a talented team. You had two future Hall of Famers at wide receiver, right? Jerry Rice and Tim Brown. they got Rich Gannon to actually end up becoming an NFL MVP, running the Gruden offense. This pump this way, throw this way, pump this way, throw this way. And that's why Gruden was able to tell them the defense, the really good Tampa Bay defense, just go opposite direction. and they did nothing afterwards. Like it was almost like a one year a one hit wonder that year for Gruden. And then like It just fell apart. I I don't think it's as egregious as Barry Switzer, who had a amazing college career, but and that's the saving grace for him in a sense, 'cause otherwise it's just like he's just along for the ride with the Cowboys. He's n this there's two other folks I'd I'd put in contention. I don't think they're as bad as some of the names that have been mentioned. And as much as I love Brian Billock and what that defense did to Super Bowl, based upon the fact that he was an offensive minded coach, yeah, that's just hard. That's just hard hard to hard to rally ro hard to rally behind behind you. for the talent that Green Bay had. Mike McCarthy only getting one with Aaron Rodgers. is is a bit tricky. and he's the other person I was gonna say, and he's not as bad as some of these other folks, but he's in contention, is because he didn't do much before and hasn't done much since, is Doug Peterson.
Lee Glass: Yeah. Yeah.
Lincoln: Mm.
Donald "Doc" Glass: He got the Eagles to a Super Bowl. He had the backup in there. Things were clicking. The Philly special. And then it's like within what two years they fired him. He goes to Jacksonville and doesn't do much. He he's he's not bottom three, but it's like
Lee Glass: That's Jacksonville though. That's
Lincoln: Jackson, but
Lee Glass: Jacksonville.
Lincoln: yeah.
Lee Glass: But that's Jacksonville. That's Jacksonville. Right? That's Jacksonville. You can't you couldn't expect him to do any yeah. And and yeah, I absolve him from that. And and I gotta give I I give I give him a lot of credit with being you know, he was down his spectacular starting quarterback, right? Who was on a VP run like none other. Okay. Lynx, your boy.
Donald "Doc" Glass: You absolve him? You you absolve him? Okay. Yep. Yep. Yep.
Lee Glass: Carson Wentz and took a backup in in fulls, a journeyman who's been all around the league and still beat a Tom Brady-led New England Patriots in the Super Bowl. And it was because of the offense. The offense was a big contributor to them winning that winning that Super Bowl. So I I have I I couldn't I couldn't put him on the list. I couldn't put him on the list. Especially after losing Carson Wentz, man. What Carson Wentz was on a tear that season.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Okay.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I yeah, we we've Yeah, he was on it there. He he he definitely was on it there. Yeah, he he was on it there.
Donald "Doc" Glass: My my my my nomination of him is not for what he did that year. It is the before and the since. But that year, yes, you must give him credit for all the adjustments that were made. Offensive minded coach with an offensively an offensive minded team with the backup quarterback doing well. Like you got yeah. So yeah.
Lee Glass: Mm. Mm. I got you. I got you.
Lincoln: Yeah.
Lee Glass: Mm. Right. Right.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I I think he had he had a he had some help in there. and I'm trying to remember who our OC was at the time. grief is I Frank Wright.
Donald "Doc" Glass: yeah, that's Frank Reich. It's Frank
Lee Glass: Styke was it w was it Frank Reich? Yeah, Frank Reich, yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Reiki. Yep.
Lincoln: Frank Reich. So Frank Reich, I would give Frank Reich the the the the nod on this, you know, because now granted, let me tell you, I I listen, listen, listen, listen. I'm I'm I'm giving Frank Reich the nod on this from a offensive standpoint. Now Doug Peterson was a a a a quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles. So he he he was familiar with the organization and being there, right? I think a lot of the adjustments and stuff that were made, I think they worked together. Obviously.
Lee Glass: Wow.
Lincoln: you know you know frank reich but some of that that that offense frank reich had had had had that offense rolling man yeah
Lee Glass: So so let me ask you this, both of you, what has Frank Reich done since leaving the Eagles to le make you believe that he was such a big contributor to the success of the Eagles during that Super Bowl run?
Lincoln: Now now in in Indy, you know, 'cause he was an Indy, wasn't w w where was he recently? Where was he recently? I think he had one of the
Lee Glass: Yeah. He's now with the Jets. He's now with the Jets.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Budget. Yeah.
Lincoln: Can't say nothing about him right now. But wasn't when he was in Indy, didn't they have a top offense when he was in Indy? No.
Lee Glass: Right, right.
Donald "Doc" Glass: It it it I don't think it was top ten. Yeah. But
Lee Glass: He was in talk. It was all right, but he was
Lincoln: Yeah.
Lee Glass: unceremoniously dismissed.
Lincoln: Yeah, he was. He was.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Was was that the Jeff Saturday sub yeah, okay.
Lee Glass: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Lincoln: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. He he hadn't he hadn't it looked, this might have been a flash in the pan thing that year. I definitely think him and him and Doug, you know, they put a good game plan together for the playoffs. And and really that entire season, I I I I would just say that entire season, you know, it was it was the the offense was just phenomenal. and and if you remember, we we really had sort of like a three headed monster at running back. you know you you you you we had Legarrett Blunt
Lee Glass: Mm. Right.
Lincoln: You know, we had who else was on who who who was the the other running backs on there? We had I think Miles Sanders. Was Miles Sanders on that team? I think so. and it was somebody else that's escaping me right now. But it was a three headed monster at running back.
Lee Glass: I think so, yeah.
Lincoln: and it was just Carson Wentz at that time gotten us up to that point. And then Nick Foles just went on a magical run. It was just it was just magical. and they just call the right the right place. Jay a gi, yes, Jaya Yes, Jaya Jay. so yeah, you know, and think it look look at that man. These these guys had it was it was just a magical it it was supposed to happen. But yeah, I mean
Donald "Doc" Glass: Cheya. Che a jay.
Lee Glass: Good game plan. Good game plan. Yeah, J J.
Lincoln: I I I I I don't know. Doug Peterson I can't put him down there. you know, because because of that season. I it it was a phenomenal season.
Lee Glass: He he he he ha he had he had I think he had a a a a a significant influence on the success of that offense. Some of these some of these coaches that I'm I'm calling out here, their teams won because one a certain side of the ball carried them, and these guys was not they had no say in in in that and e and one in embilic, that was sub his forte was non existent.
Lincoln: Absolutely. Carried, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: It's not their strength.
Lincoln: No one.
Lee Glass: Non existent.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Five games in the regular season in a row with no offensive touchdowns.
Lincoln: Come on, man.
Lee Glass: Ravens that season?
Donald "Doc" Glass: Yeah, that season. That's when they went from Tony Banks to to Trent Dilfer. They went five games in a row. They won at least two. They won at least two. But they went five games in a row in the regular season without a scoring touchdown.
Lincoln: Come on.
Lee Glass: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Lincoln: And and and and you were offensive coach? Mm-hmm.
Lee Glass: Yeah. Cause yeah.
Lincoln: That's crazy. Yeah.
Lee Glass: So so who who's the winner?
Lincoln: I'm going Brian Billick, man. Brian Billock for me. that team was just too talented. It was just it was just you know w with with you being an offensive head coach, you doc you just you just said it, but I I w I I I know I threw I I I threw Chucky in there, but you know, I d I definitely when I look at that defense it it was
Lee Glass: So so so I mean we we really dismissing Mike Ditko though? I mean I know everybody loved Ditka, right? But
Lincoln: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know.
Lee Glass: For as as as as touted as he's been, people always, you know, giving him this praise, he what'd he do?
Donald "Doc" Glass: He had Jim McMahon and sweetness. They was running the ball. He had refrigerator Perry running the ball. Come on.
Lincoln: He Refrigerate them.
Donald "Doc" Glass: As as much as it's it's it's close. It is it is real close. I'm gonna give Gary Kubiac
Lincoln: Mm. Cool yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: the the the trophy over over Ditka. 'Cause but Gary Kobiak, it's like, well he used to be John Elway's backup, so he had links to to the Broncos. And then that was the year he's like the head coach. They got they got Vaughn Miller and DeMarcus Ware and they got Wade Phillips, who is a horrible head coach, but an amazing defensive coordinator. And that defense is just wrecking people. And they still kind of almost limp into the playoffs with Oswald as the quarterback. And then Oswald gets hurt. Peyton comes back in. By the grace of God for Peyton Mann, he got hurt, watched four games, is like, wait a second. I don't have to carry this team at all. I just have to not screw up. So he comes back, and that dude was just dropping to the ground anytime someone came near him. He was dropping back 15 yards, falling to the ground, punt it.
Lincoln: Hm, yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Hunt it, don't worry about it. And they go and destroy people on their way to the wins and then we don't hear anything but Gary Kobiak ever again. So I
Lee Glass: So r remember now, Ditka after the Bears, he does go to the Saints. Right? And he he he is notorious for that draft where he traded his entire draft picks, all of them, for Ricky Williams, who is not known, who's not known in his career for being a Saint.
Lincoln: Mm-hmm.
Donald "Doc" Glass: The Ricky Williams, the Ricky Williams trade.
Lincoln: Yeah, yeah. For Ricky Williams, yeah.
Lee Glass: He's known more for being a Miami Dolphin. You're right.
Lincoln: Being a dolphin, yeah. Mm-hmm, yeah.
Lee Glass: Right.
Donald "Doc" Glass: so Lesne trades a whole bunch of draft picks and he's amazing, Mike Dick. I can't even I can't even finish it. I can't even finish it. Sorry, coach.
Lee Glass: he wins he he he won a Super Bowl because of it because of it yeah and he's not a coach
Lincoln: Right, right, right, right, right, yeah, yeah.
Lee Glass: I don't know, man. I I my my mine is I I'm a toss it between Barry Switzer and Mike Ditko. For me.
Lincoln: Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Come on, baby. That Barry spits it, boy. That Barry spits it, you.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah. You know, one w one thing I could say, Mike Ditka w what would what he did what he did do, he and he instilled the discipline and the fear a in you know at in Chicago. so I I would I would say he he he he he did that. but that team was that huh?
Lee Glass: Not buddy Ryan? Not Buddy Ryan? Not Buddy Ryan?
Lincoln: No, no, no, not Buddy Ryan, don't get me wrong. Buddy Ryan had but but I think between them two bouncing o bouncing off each other, you know, i Mike Disco just fed off.
Lee Glass: They didn't like each other. They didn't talk to each other. Right, right. Right.
Donald "Doc" Glass: No. Did not.
Lincoln: No, they didn't like each other at all. They didn't like each other at all. But I think it I think what it was was, you know, you know, Mike Dickel was out there doing commercials and doing all this and blah blah blah blah blah. And you know, and and and you know Buddy Ryan is more of a, you know, cut and dry, hard nose, you know, it is what it is. And so I think they actually helped each other because they didn't like each other. you know, one trying to up the ante I mean, look, Buddy Ryan didn't care. This was his D.
Lee Glass: Exactly.
Lincoln: Defense, as far as it's concerned, everybody figured Buddy Ryan was the the the like you said, he was the he was the coach, right? but I think Mike Ditka just his his his charisma and his and his you know bravado and you know how he just handled things in the media, I can't I it it just worked. It it it it worked.
Donald "Doc" Glass: I work for Chicago, yes. But
Lee Glass: Because they they had Buddy Ryan in that defense.
Donald "Doc" Glass: No but that that w when you when you when you put in a defense based on the players that you have that has never been seen before and has never been attempted since. And that thing was that amazing at that point in time. Like, yeah, that is impressive. Buddy Ryan is a heck of a coach. To the point that his sons were really good defensive coordinators. So yeah.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You can't you can't dispute that though.
Lee Glass: Mm-hmm.
Lincoln: yeah, that was crazy.
Lee Glass: Yes.
Lincoln: I almost became a Chicago Bear fan. Yeah. I was close. I was close boy. Yeah. Yeah, man. So you know. Give him that, give him that. So we had so so
Lee Glass: A lot of us almost became bear fans. Yeah, I was close too. I was close too.
Donald "Doc" Glass: No, that's a great question.
Lincoln: Yeah, yeah, that was that was a good one, man. That was that was a really good one. I I I like that. Keep keep keep keep it coming. Keep it coming. So this coming up we we should have some more news coming out of training camps, man. You know, training camps getting underway, a lot of them getting started, things are gonna be happening. So I think we'll have some information to share, you know, coming up next week with the with training camps and and and what's happening. So looking forward to it, man. It's it's it's getting closer and closer. Yeah.
Lee Glass: Can't wait.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Yeah.
Lee Glass: I can't wait. It's gonna it's it's gonna be well, kinda, but I liter I liter I I can't wait. You know, it this is gonna be like Christmas to me. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: that was a bar spot reference.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah, I know it.
Donald "Doc" Glass: things like forty isn't like forty eight days or something like that till till the first game. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. So
Lee Glass: Something like that, yeah.
Lincoln: Alright fellas. Alright one. Catch you on the next one. Yep.
Lee Glass: Alright. See you guys on the next one.
Donald "Doc" Glass: All right. Catch you all later.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Pretty good, now how you?
Lee Glass: What's going on? What's going on?
Lincoln: Good, good, good. Hey, look, so you know, just just I I I want you guys, I I I I pulled something up, and I want you guys to tell me when I say this, what what what comes to mind right away. Everybody's gonna get it, but you know. So you got these names Ryan Clark, Carl Ravich, Tom Palaisero, David Lloyd, Stephanie Abell. Charles Davis, Cam Newton, Bart Scott, Andres Hale, Dan had had the Jucky. Yeah, I don't know. I don't I don't know that guy. But anyway, all of these names, all of these names are are casualties from ESPN. You know, I was really shocked, man. and and just talking about this, you know, just talking about this previous to us jumping on. I was I didn't hear about Charles Davis. I was really, really shocked about Charles Davis because you know Charles Davis was one of my favorite guys. you know, analysts, NFL analysts. And, you know, I I I was really shocked to see that. I know the headline was Ryan Clark, and Ryan Clark has really done a great job. I see a lot of stuff out there with people calling him a racist, and he should have been gone a long time ago. I I definitely see those comments, yes.
Lee Glass: Yeah.
Lincoln: and and as we're going through it, I'm gonna pull a couple of those up and and and share those with you guys and what people are talking about. But yeah, it's it's it's interesting how this has all came about. Restructuring, they're saying, you know, contracts, you know, a lot of things going on. I heard now you guys could correct me if I'm wrong or not, but Ryan Clark did not even know the day of he was on set live and
Lee Glass: Yeah, let's let's let's get into that.
Donald "Doc" Glass: yeah.
Lincoln: The executives heard that it was gonna go live on the wires that he was getting laid off. He did they didn't want him to know this on, you know, fair find it out on social media, right, right, right there on the desk. So they pulled him off during a commercial break and and laid him off right there on the spot. man, you talk about doomsday. I don't know, you know, those are some great analysts. but I I I I want to hear what you guys thought, man, because I I was really shocked.
Lee Glass: Mm.
Lincoln: And really just shocked up to now, knowing that Charles Davis also was a part of this list. But I mean, what what you guys think about?
Lee Glass: No, so I actually I watched that broadcast with Ryan Clark. when I heard the story of of what happened, I went and took a look at the at the show. It was NFL Live. It comes on around four o'clock Eastern Standard Time. And at about the 40 minute mark, that's exactly what happened. And Ryan was actually carrying the show. Okay. and you know, you you saw him, of course, up until that point, you had the commercial break, you came back. No more Ryan Clark. So it seems to be accurate. He didn't come back to the show af after that point. it it's a bad look, but ESPN doesn't care, right? They're they're big, big time conglomerate organization, studio, network, what what have you. And they're just gonna keep it pushing. The only problem is now it seems like ESPN is gonna be very top heavy. Right, you got Stephen A. Smith, you got Pat McAfee, and then everybody else. And I d don't know how sustainable that's gonna be, but they seem to be hitching their wagon to those two guys and it's gonna be interesting. When situations like this happen, it I think it creates opportunities for other people, other networks, other businesses, other, you know, networks, and it's gonna be I I I wonder who's gonna pick up some of those talented analysts, bring them in. and try to at least nip at the heels, right, of ESPN. It's gonna be pretty difficult, but you know, I think that's something that we should probably look out for.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Remember that with the deal that they s that NFL and I guess ESPN Disney did if I remember correctly, NFL network got absorbed slash owned by ESPN for the NFL to have a ten percent interest stake in ESPN. So now you got all you know, a bunch of these shows that would be on let's say ESPN and NFL network and now kinda you got too many too many too many reporters, so they're trying to Whittle whittle it down some. But of course at the same time when you get rid of some really good analysts, Brian Clark, controversial as he may be, is a really good analyst and you know Charles Davis, other guys seem to be getting a a a a a raise in their salary. So it's not like they don't have money, they're just redistributing how how much they pay in people. And as as as Lee said, it's gonna be a a lot more Top heavier than before. Right. So, Yeah, but you know, to do to do the guy when I say do the guy dirty, you tell him in between the break and I I I don't think I would go back on the show for the last twenty minutes if y'all tell me y'all gonna fire me tomorrow, but you're telling me now 'cause we at least won't tell you to your face now that it's out there that you're about to get fired, so we at least won't tell you in person so you don't read it on social media.
Lee Glass: Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: You on you ain't on the screen. Your cell phone starts buzzing. You take a look down and see you've been fired. So so we go we're gonna tell you during the break just just just in case.
Lee Glass: Jesus. That's crazy. I mean yeah, I E ESPN I don't have any faith that ESPN is going to not necessarily do right, but I I I think these shows they they're gonna get worse. You look at what happened with ESPN Sports Center and Sports Center used to be that used to be the sport broadcast everyone would flock to going back like twenty some odd years ago and you had a lot of really good analysts, a lot of good personalities, it was a show within the show. And then, you know, ever since Disney came in, that that, you know, that went by the wayside. Now they just acquired, as you said, Doc, NFL, the NFL Network. NFL Live has been a premium show for for the past couple of years. Emmy Award winning show with Ryan Clark being one of the main correspondents there and making these decisions. I would predict that NFL Live s slowly but surely is going to come to the same. situation as sports center is not gonna be nearly as entertaining nearly as informative as we would like it we as we remember it being and that's gonna go by the wayside too so it's it's it's disheartening as a fan watching this happen because you know people like Ryan Clark, Charles Davis, those guys, they brought a lot of value to the production. They brought a lot of value, a lot of insight. And, you know, I I guess that's just something that ESPN slash Disney, they don't value that. You know, so we'll see. We'll see how this all works out. But the world of podcasts, because Ryan Ryan Clark, he has his, he has the pivot. So people are gonna have to go there now to see him. Not that they weren't seeing him there before, but he may get even more viewership because of this. So that can get bolstered. And I don't know. I just feel like something interesting is gonna happen from all of this. There's gonna be fallout. Your audio links.
Donald "Doc" Glass: So th you know the other thing when you're talking about, you know, ESPN making these kind of decisions, remember back in the day Mike Mike Tarico was with was with ESPN and his contract his contract came up and they decided not to re sign him. So, you know, he goes to I wanna say NBC and next thing you know he's he's calling a Super Bowl and then gotta run and then go and do the Olympics, right?
Lee Glass: Right. Yeah. Super Bowl. Yep. Right.
Donald "Doc" Glass: So and as one of those like, you know, ESPN's like, Yeah, you know, he did a great time here and you know, we we wish him nothing but the best and you know, we're glad to see he's done well, but and I'm I'm sure there's gonna be some other guys here who go on to bigger and better things now that they've left ESPN and it's gonna be like, Hey, that's that's where they used to be and now now look at now. So
Lee Glass: Yeah. Yeah.
Lincoln: that. what I was saying was, you know, Tom, what's his name? Cam Newton just said today. He said, Look, it's okay. He understands. He said, you know, he wanna give a shout out to a lot of the guys that really Pointed out some things for him and really helped him out, you know, with learning some things and making sure he was prepared and all of this stuff, right? And he said, in this day and age, and Lee, you just said this, if you don't have your own platform. It's it you you you are going to you are going to if if companies like ESPN and these people like this let you go, you could you could fade out into the sunset and nobody ever hear from you again. And and that's it. But now you have the leverage
Lee Glass: Yep. Yep.
Lincoln: You know, you've already been on TV and I expect this to pick up even more, you know, with guys with podcasts, you know, that Ryan Clark is gonna be okay, Lee, like you said, with Pivot Podcast. Cam Newton's gonna be okay. He has fourth and one. You know, a lot of these guys, Emmanuel Archo, remember with that with Speakeasy, you know, and and and he was just talking about that, you know, with him purchasing a he he bought the Speakeasy domain and and channel from Shannon. Sharp, I believe he said, and then just took it on from there. So look, guys are creating opportunities for themselves, and I think a lot of people need to continue to create opportunities for themselves because as ESPN and you know they're making these decisions, look, that's ESPN's platform. And ESPN will continue to go on and they will continue to do what they do. But yes, it has changed. When you look at Stuart Scott and the and the and the professional that that's I mean, I used to watch Stuart Stuart
Lee Glass: Mm.
Lincoln: Scott, just pure entertainment, man. Just pure entertainment. Just watching. I don't tune into ESPN like that right now. because it's not as entertaining as it used to be. And a lot of these guys ha are having their own platforms and people are tuning into their individual platforms. And I think that it's gonna is gonna open it up for for other guys to really jump in and and look, if I if if If it were me in in in this kind of position, what I would have done is partner up with some of these other guys that got you know that got fired and you know, you create you you you could create, you know, your own platform podcast where man you got the analysts, you got everybody. I mean you you got it. People are going to tune in and see what you guys got going on. So, you know, it's it's it's definitely gonna be opportunity for for for guys to really succeed with that.
Lee Glass: Yeah, so I I agree. I think the the the run with podcasts going on now, especially with players and and you see Micah Parsons and all these other all these guys, some are doing the better than others. I wanna s want to put that out there all right first. But I think now you see a lot of these athletes, especially ones that have just recently retired, they're picking up that mantle, they're going in there just creating their own platform, creating their own avenue, in that sports communication, sports reporting, sports analytic world. And that's gonna eat away at some of these big time networks, right? Fox is already feeling a big, big hit from that. and you know, ESPN, I think at some point it's it's gonna catch up. They're bolstering, I think, their their portfolio with a lot of the the the the channel and the broadcast revenues that they and the deals that they're making from that, getting all of the events, but from a you know, sports talk perspective. It just doesn't seem to be hidden. It doesn't seem I don't think they're making a lot of good decisions, man. They're just not. You know, and and and Disney does this. Disney kills everything. They kill Star Wars, right? They they pro probably gonna kill Marvel, right? So and and now they doing they I mean they're just doing a horrible job, I think, with ESPN. Outside of the events, like I get that they got the money you spend it. They're just outspending people for this stuff. It's like no brainer type acquisitions, but
Lincoln: Yeah, yeah.
Lee Glass: Trying to be a little more strategic, a little bit more streamlined with the content itself. It's not it's not hitting.
Lincoln: Yeah, yeah. It's that, it's that
Donald "Doc" Glass: And and just just to be clear, they did not kill Game of Thrones. I know people may think that's true, but they they didn't acquire Game of Thrones to kill the Game of Thrones season season ten. I just wanna we're gonna leave them to get off the hook just a little bit. But
Lee Glass: They impacted it. They impacted it. They impacted it. Yeah. I blame them for that too. I blame them for that too. Because those guys, they would writing was spectacular until they got called in to do that horrible Star Wars trilogy crap. And they didn't even end up doing it. But they they shortened their, you know, they shortened the the Game of Thrones of the last couple of episodes. They just threw some garbage out there. And look, this yeah, right.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Yep. Yep.
Lincoln: No.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Mm. Starbucks cup.
Lincoln: Yeah.
Lee Glass: Look it up. If you don't know what we're talking about, look it up. Look up Starbucks and Game of Thrones. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: So they do so they do they do they do they do kill they do kill everything. Stop
Lincoln: Look at it, yeah. Yeah. Hey, it's inevitable, man. Inevitable. When you see doing stuff
Donald "Doc" Glass: They do kill everything. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Lee Glass: Horrible horrible. Stick to Mickey Mouse man.
Lincoln: like that. man, so the NFL suspended Arizona Cardinals Director of College Scouting Ryan Gold indefinitely for violating the league's gambling policy. The so the league found that Gold placed parlay bets on NFL and college games and leaked confidential non-public inside information regarding the team's twenty twenty six draft picks. It never ends, man. It never ends. I w when when are you going to learn? And and look, I I don't even think this is gonna be this this isn't even the pinnacle of the examples, right? Because people, even though this has happened, it's still happening. Guys still doing it right now. Right now, they doing the same thing. They're getting prepared, ready for the season. and and NFL execs. I wouldn't I wouldn't even I don't know. I You you got everybody in NFL organizations when gambling got into you know infused into this, it's going it's it's it's taking its place and unfortunately guys that have inside information about teams are going to leak this information and they're going to use the information to line their pockets, other people's pockets and and you're gonna hear about more stories coming down the line. I'm I'm I'm absolutely hundred percent sure of it. I don't I don't know it, but I'm a hundred percent sure there's more of this going on and and this is just the tip of the iceberg, man. when you're doing stuff like this, it it's it's it's ruining the game. It's just it's it's it's it's ruining the it's ruining the game for for for for fans, you know, to to really you know, people already are skeptical, but now you you with all of this coming out, man, you you you're making it you're making it horrible for for for fans that want to see the pureness of the sport. It's I don't know. I I I don't know how this stops. I don't think it will.
Lee Glass: It's not gonna stop. it's I think it's just a brand new world now. they're ruining the game for the purists, yes. But they have an injection of new viewers, I won't even call them fans, but viewers who get that high off of hitting those parlays. Okay, so they're following the money, and the money is saying continue the so you know the the gambling trend and keep infusing it into sports. People are watching, not for their team to win, but to see if Their player is going to get 3.5 rebounds by the end of game. Okay. So with that being said, I think these NFL organizations, the basketball organizations, the baseball organizations, all of these teams now, all these sports, they're gonna have to do a much better job of scrutinizing personnel, people that they got coming in and being a part of these decisions and having access to intimate information. You have to do a much better job of making sure that those guys are on the up and up. Gambling addiction is a thing. People, it's compulsory. Like people can't some people they just cannot help themselves. They have no control over themselves when it comes to, you know, making a bet or hitting a parlay or whatever it may be. And so now you have to really, really scrutinize what people are doing, lock down some of those devices. You can't let them, you know, in, you know, I I think with the NFL it's just that you can't gamble. Well, one, you can't gamble on on your team, on your sport, but you can't also gamble anything do anything in the facility. Right. So you have to really be on your Ps and Q's now and you have to make that adjustment. Outside of that, to your point length, it's not going away.
Donald "Doc" Glass: The the the the thing about it is everybody else can make money on your team except you and the other players, coaches, execs, whatever, right? I mean you you're making good money, don't get me wrong. But you feel like but but you feel like everybody else making money off of you and you can't make money a and you got more information than everybody else, so I mean Why can't you, you know? the interesting thing here with Reingold, and no, he he denies, you know, the accusations. Lawyer says his name's gonna be cleared, is you know, lawyer saying, hey, he he didn't place he didn't give any information on who the Arizona Cardinals are gonna pick because he don't make the picks, right? That's like the GM and the head coach working together. But he is the director.
Lee Glass: Who makes the picks, Doc? But who makes the picks?
Donald "Doc" Glass: sorry, the owner because they ain't really gotta g they really gotta give. But but they but here's the thing, he is the director of college scouting. So he may not make the picks, but he has a pretty good idea when it's all said and done, what that rank list is gonna look like.
Lincoln: Exactly. Influence, yes.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Then the other big allegation, of course, is that he's making these parlay bets on college games and NFL games. And it's like, no, it wasn't him, it was his wife. And the wife was making these ten dollar parlay bets with a bunch of her high school friends. Right? Hey, let hey, let's let's assume that's true. Let's assume it's true, right? You
Lincoln: man, stop it. Yeah, yeah. That's so far fetched.
Donald "Doc" Glass: At some point you need to go to your spouse and be like, hey, the optics don't look good.
Lincoln: Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: I need for you to not get that high off of the $10 parlay bet with your friends. Cause my job security is now questionable with you making these bets and folks wondering if I'm giving you any information. So it would behoove us as a couple, as a unit, as two who have become one. To not make bets. I'm just I'm just saying. Like some someone need hear that message and need to talk to some significant other they got. Like, based upon my job, you should not be making bets with your high school friends. Cause it may look bad. I'm just I'm just saying.
Lee Glass: So So is the lawyer trying to get us to believe that the wife is making bets on his fan duel accounts or his you know, whatever she didn't have one, so she's going on his accounts to make these bets with her friends and the money's going into his account, not hers. Like that that doesn't make any sense.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Mm-hmm.
Lincoln: She didn't have her own man. Mm, mm, mm.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Look, when it comes to trust, she may know the passwords, you know, you just make sure that you ain't got nothing to hide. And then, you know, she right?
Lincoln: It's a open relationship, man. Yeah.
Lee Glass: No. That's dumb. It doesn't make any sense. That's just dumb. Who's this lawyer? What's the lawyer's name? What's the lawyer's name?
Lincoln: well That's
Donald "Doc" Glass: Ha ha.
Lincoln: your thing.
Donald "Doc" Glass: let me finally do his name. Mike Caspino. Mike Caspino.
Lee Glass: Fire that guy.
Lincoln: Yeah. That's the story you came up with. All this money I'm paying you.
Lee Glass: That's the best Mike Aspino.
Lincoln: All this money I'm paying you. That's the story you come up with.
Lee Glass: That's the best you could come up with. Jeez.
Donald "Doc" Glass: She was the one placing the bets. It wasn't him. And cause he don't make the draft picks. He couldn't have leaked information because he didn't know.
Lincoln: Man. shoot. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, man. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you you can't you you you can't make that up, man. Stop it. Just just
Lee Glass: Crazy. That's crazy.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Yeah.
Lee Glass: Were the bet were the bats hitting? Was w w w was he winning?
Lincoln: At least win.
Donald "Doc" Glass: They don't say, so I'm guessing not. So but no, but but but these but these folks also don't realize that because of the way technology is now, the same thing that makes it so easy to bet is the same thing that makes it so easy to see a barren season the betting pattern. Right? Like wait a second, why is there so much action on this one particular pick? Huh, let's investigate. yep, yep. That explains it.
Lee Glass: I mean.
Lincoln: Man.
Lee Glass: Okay.
Lincoln: Yeah. Right.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Right. So it's like, hey, you you could get the information, but if you put in fifty times the amount of action on that thing, they gonna figure it out real quick and they're gonna start snooping. So it it it's it's easier to bet, but it's also easier for them to figure out why is there more action on the twenty-seventh pick than the fifteenth pick. That don't make no sense unless someone getting some insider information on pick twenty-seven.
Lincoln: Right.
Donald "Doc" Glass: So
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah, boy. Hey, we we we we said that I don't know. I don't know. People just not smart, man. Not smart. Like you say, like you say, Lee, fire that fire fire fire that lawyer, man. Fire. so the New York Giants running back Cam Scar Scatterboo, sparked widespread concern and went viral. after failing to land his trademark backflip over the last weekend in New York City. When when you have I mean the dude the dude literally rip his ankle off. Right? I mean it it it it it literally was off. Dangling. No. Literally right and
Lee Glass: Not a figure of speech, yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Mystangling.
Lincoln: And so you are getting back. Okay, you supposed to be one of these players that, hey, the where where the Giants are infusing some some youth in here. They're they're they're they're they're ready to get back. Okay, you had this freak accident that happened. You just trying to get back on the field for another th dude, NFL careers don't last long. Why? Just tell me why, Cam. What are you doing, man? Who are you? What is the deal? Because if you're a New York Giants fan and you got Jackson Dart, who out there saying he's just gonna run into people. Hey, he don't he don't care. I'm just gonna run into people at first. I'm not going out of bounds. I'm I'm just gonna play like how I play. This is me, this is what I do. And then you got Cam Scattaboo doing backflips, you know, where you don't break your ankle again. I mean, that's gonna happen. That could easily happen again in the in the season, dude. Why are you doing it outside of the season? It's just ridiculous that these dudes are are are doing this stuff, man. It's crazy.
Lee Glass: I I I was about to just go full admonishment on him, right? Because you know, we were talking about this before before we we recording, you know, it it's not smart, you know, like you know, what are you thinking? And I said, let me put myself in his shoes, right? Let's let's let's think about let's put ourselves in his shoes, right? If you could at any time, any moment
Lincoln: Yeah. Go go yeah, go good, yeah. Hmm. Yeah.
Lee Glass: Just bust a backflip. I mean just I mean, just just cause on a whim, it don't matter. I'm in the supermarket. I'm going out for into the park, I'm going to ch I could just bust a backflip in the parking
Lincoln: Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: All day every day.
Lincoln: You could do it. You could do it.
Lee Glass: All day every day. All day every day. All day every day. I can't be mad at it. I I I I can't be mad. I can't be mad at it. All day. Think about it.
Lincoln: man, kidding me. man, you're kidding me, man. boy.
Donald "Doc" Glass: They'd be calling me Blackfoot.
Lee Glass: Come on, Lynx. Link, yeah you you you going out to check the mail, you check the mail, you get the ball, and you're going back to the to the house and just bust a backflip.
Lincoln: Yeah. Do it.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Little Timmy's like, Do it for
Lincoln: man. That's ridiculous, man. boy.
Lee Glass: You know the little you like like dark you know the the little boy in the neighbor he said, Hey Mr. Parks, you can you can you bust up shust the backflip
Lincoln: Just because, man, just because. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. man.
Lee Glass: Just because. Just because. I can't be I can't I can't be mad at him, man. Like look, do do do it while you still can. Do it while you still can't. Just but bust your back flip, dude. You know, you're a fourth round running back, you ain't got much time in the left in the league, right?
Lincoln: Do your thing, man. Do your thing. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Man, it's
Lincoln: Do what you can right now. Yeah.
Lee Glass: Bus bust your backflip. Yeah. Do it.
Donald "Doc" Glass: It i if the dude had finished the season, it'd be one thing, but you coming off a lower leg injury?
Lee Glass: Doc, he could still do the backflip.
Lincoln: He could do it. He could do it. man. boy.
Lee Glass: You know what it is to come off of that injury and you can still do a backflip?
Donald "Doc" Glass: You could still almost do a backflip 'cause ain't landed.
Lincoln: He didn't lie to no, he didn't lie to it. When he was up in the air, look, what'd he say?
Donald "Doc" Glass: No Matt.
Lee Glass: He explained it. He explained it. He he explained, he said, well, he said the the the surface was a little bit too cushiony. Right? So when he landed, it was a little bit of a bounce to it. So he just he just lost his footing. He he he landed, he just he lost his footing. Not landing it is falling directly on top of your head. That's not landing the backflip. Right? But he he could still do it.
Lincoln: Okay. Yeah. Lost his foot. Lost his foot. Okay.
Donald "Doc" Glass: On your head.
Lincoln: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, shoot, I thought he was when he was upside down he like, Boy, I don't know I don't know how this gonna go. I don't know, I better bring I better tuck. I better tuck. He got it. Boy, that's crazy, man.
Lee Glass: Nah no, he was good. Yep.
Donald "Doc" Glass: but but but but
Lee Glass: You do a backflip on command like that? Come on.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Dude, the dude's a meathead. He's he he's a professional football player, meat led. He won't be in the league long, meathead, but that's a meathead move. To do a backflip after coming off a leg injury, not land it to be like, it doesn't matter. I'm still gonna be me. I'm still gonna be me. Right? And and for those who don't understand what we're talking about, whether not lasting long in the league.
Lee Glass: I wish I I wish I could do that. I'm still gonna be mean, yeah.
Lincoln: Sagamy. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Mike Allstart was like 6'1, 250 pounds. Like that was a big full back Bruce and dude. You your your drone better says like 250. you know. I mean, shoot, even Ron Dane, who wouldn't hit nobody, would do the wiggle was like 245. This dude is like 215, 220, 5'10. Right? Like he is not he is not a big guy. Them linebackers were bigger than him. I mean, you got lighter linebackers in the league nowadays. So when you're deciding to run full tilt into people, by choice and you smaller than them, it don't take long. So
Lincoln: No.
Lee Glass: No, he take he he takes a lot of punishment when he runs. It's just his style. It's effective for him. But to Doc's point, right, when we say he's not gonna last long, that style is not it it it doesn't bear well for those type of players in the long run unless he makes some drastic adjustments, right? If he knows how to elude the big hits, get out of bounds when needed, but that's just not his mentality. He's gonna go head first into whomever's in front of him and
Donald "Doc" Glass: Yeah. For now.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Lee Glass: you know, two well, three maybe three more seasons, that that that's not gonna his body's not gonna react well to that.
Lincoln: What? Yeah. Yeah. The Giants the Giants got some you know, they they their their whole franchise is up in the air right now. you got Jackson Dart who don't who, like you say, don't wanna listen. You got Cam Scattaboo who's gonna continue to be himself and do his thing. Malik Neighbors is injured, you know, and we'll see if he bounces back this year. you got you got your whole that's the that's your team. That's your offense, right? And they
Lee Glass: Mm-hmm.
Lincoln: They're making boneheaded decisions right now. These get the the Giants have paid you guys and And you and and you want to gamble the future of I I wonder if they put anything in their contracts. I don't think they put any if they restructure their contracts to say, Hey look, y'all can't do n none of this stuff. None of this stuff. You know, I don't know if they could go back and add that at this point right now, but unless they negotiate in something, but boy, the Giants are gonna be in trouble. If these guys stick with that same mindset, you know, throughout this next NFL season, I could see two of the three of them being out again. in
Lee Glass: Mm-hmm. So you're saying Cam Scott should have a they should give him a a no backflip clause? Is that it? Yeah? No, no, no backflip.
Lincoln: He got he gotta have a no backflip clause. He gotta have a no back. He can't do it. Like you say he could do it on a dime right now, but it it don't it don't he can't no, no. We gotta scratch that out. No backflips.
Lee Glass: Ha ha ha.
Lincoln: Put a clause in there, man. Put that clause in there. man.
Lee Glass: You can see him coming coming come into the facility. Hey, why why you why you limping? Would you nothing? Did you did you did you backflip?
Lincoln: No.
Donald "Doc" Glass: My wife did the backflip. My wife did the backflip.
Lincoln: You out here backflipping again? man. Yeah. Yeah man. This is it's it's comical. It's comical with these fellas. Hey. Keep back flipping, Scam Cam. Keep back flipping, Jackson Dot. Keep running into I'm in the NFC East, so look, I to see it, man. Keep doing it. good deal. Good deal. Yeah, yeah.
Lee Glass: Okay. boy. I was waiting for that one. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Shameless plug. Shameless plug.
Lincoln: I I I I have to, man. I have to. I have to. It was just hanging out there. I you know, it was hanging out there. Hey, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna transition now into questions on a dime. Lee, take it away, man.
Lee Glass: So th this is a a long winded one. I was trying to figure out how I was gonna phrase this, right? So you know, we've been talking about coaches for for a while, right? You know, Siriani and all these other guys and you know, McVeigh, even O'Connell, right? So we always talk about who's the best coach, why they're good at what they do, what makes them great. but I I just I had a a question that was just burning in me, like who who would we consider the worst coach to have ever won a Super Bowl?
Lincoln: Mm.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Mm.
Lee Glass: Okay. Now I wanna keep it sort of like in the modern era, like going just like let's maybe going back maybe 30 years at most.
Lincoln: Yeah.
Lee Glass: Hold on. That takes him out of the running. 32 years at most, right? Right. And so in case you have a a hard time trying to come up with some names, I came up with some and just a few bullet points as to why I think they should be on this list. And wanting to know who was the worst out of this bunch. If you have some others, then we can definitely discuss them as well. Okay. So
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Lee Glass: I'm gonna start. I'm gonna start with Gary Kubiak, 2015 Broncos. Okay. they won with their defense. Okay. The defense carried that team. the offensive scheme had to be heavily modified, right? And carried with, you know, Peyton Manning. Manning was really running the show. but Kubiak himself, as a coach, you never really hear heard Hyde nor hear of him before that Super Bowl.
Lincoln: Mm. Yeah. Yeah.
Lee Glass: Or after that Super Bowl. Right? So that that I want to start with him. I'm going to put him on that list. next, I'm gonna go with Brian Billick. Okay, he was with the Ravens in 2000, won the Super Bowl with them. Brian Billick made a name for himself being the offensive coordinator for the Minnesota Vikings. Okay, when they had Chris Carter, Randy Morse, right? And
Lincoln: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Chris Cotto, Ronnie Moss. Dante Peppel,
Lincoln: Mm-hmm.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Jake
Lee Glass: Dante Call Pepper, right? They were high flying.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Reed, yep, Robert Smith.
Lee Glass: So the Ravens, they picked him up thinking that okay, that offensive success is gonna now be moved and translated over here to Baltimore. And we ain't never seen nothing even remotely close to the Ravens looking like the Minnesota Vikings. Okay. Not even from an innovative standpoint. So we all know that that two thousand team they won basically you know, on their defense and special teams. another one, right, is gonna be well, he's well he's well loved. He's well loved in the community and the people who root for that franchise. But I think he should be on this list. That's Mike Ditka with the 85 Bears. Okay. Mike Ditka
Lincoln: Eighty five minutes might just be yeah. Okay, okay.
Lee Glass: May not be unbeknownst to people. He was an offensive guy. He was an offensive guy. That 85 Bears is not known for any offense. Not a lick of offense, actually. Okay? That was strictly 100% a defensive Super Bowl team ran by Buddy Ryan. It was so one-sided in terms of what promoted them to be successful that.
Lincoln: Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah.
Lee Glass: When they carried and lifted up the coach after winning, they lifted up the defensive coordinator.
Donald "Doc" Glass: DC.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Lee Glass: Not Mike Ditka. Okay. So I have him on this list and then of course I would be remiss not to have this guy, Barry Barry Switzer. With the right Barry Switzer with of course the Dallas Cowboys won the Super Bowl in when was that? Was that ninety four?
Lincoln: Mary Switzer, yeah. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Nirty five. Nirty five.
Lee Glass: Or ninety five ninety-five, right? And everybody knows how that why that happened. It was Jimmy Johnson's team. He was basically hanging on. I don't care what they said in in the in the documentary about how he tried to galvanize the team and bring the c bring the team together. Troy Aikman couldn't stand his guts. Right? So, right. And we all know he we we never heard hide nor hear of him again after that Super Bowl as well. So that's what I got to start it off.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Let's go, baby.
Lincoln: Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Lee Glass: We can pick
Lincoln: Yeah.
Lee Glass: from that list. If you have some other coaches that you wanna kinda bring into the equation, we can do that. But those are some of the coaches I I nominate as worst head coaches that won a Super Bowl.
Donald "Doc" Glass: That is that that that that is not a bad that is not a bad list. I didn't know you go back. I I did Yep. Go ahead.
Lincoln: Yeah, that's not that's not a bad list. I w I w I wanna throw I wanna throw one person in there. John Gruden.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Okay.
Lee Glass: So bef I'ma I'ma let you go, right? I have him on the list. I got John Gruden on the list, but I didn't know if I would be able to sell it. But let me hear what you gotta say, and then I'll let you and then I'll read my notes on it.
Lincoln: Yeah. Mm. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I I I I wanna throw John Gruden on this list because look, when he w you you look at the Raiders team, you know, that that that he had, right? But then look at the team in Tampa Bay when he won the Super Bowl. That was Tony Dungey's team. That was that was straight Tony Dungey team. He didn't have to do nothing. That team should have won the Super Bowl the year before with Tony Dungey. It was a complete team. They had everything ready to go. John Gruden just stepped in, inherited the team, took the team to the Super Bowl. He didn't have to do nothing. Don't get me wrong. John Gruden is is is very fancy with his X's and O's and this and that and that, you know, and he you know, Chucky and all this stuff like that. But guess what? I to this day, and I say that every time, I felt so bad for Tony Dungey that they let Tony Dungey go. I was glad he won one in in Indianapolis, right? I was so glad that he won that in Indy because it it it really it it it it made me
Lee Glass: With with the Colts. Yeah, yeah.
Lincoln: give a sigh of relief that that he won it one one. But yeah, that the when I look at that and I I the reason why I have to throw John on there is because that was Tony Dungey's team and and and he shouldn't have win it. Now it's really close. and and I got you doc, but it's really it's it's really close, you know, Barry Switzer and and Brian Billick. I Yeah it's it's it's
Lee Glass: Ha ha.
Lincoln: Between them three. I I I I I got a I I boy.
Lee Glass: So, so so okay, l let's put a pen in Billik and and and Barry Switzer, right? But the reason why I took John Ruden off of the list, okay, is because of the team that they played in the Super Bowl. Right? Well, well, okay, and I wanna hear what you gotta say about that because that team was his Raiders team that he was just one year removed from.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: That's why he's on the list. Keep going. Keep going. Yeah.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
Lee Glass: That was still running his offense. Which is
Lincoln: Yeah. His offense, yeah.
Lee Glass: also why going into that Super Bowl, he knew exactly what they were gonna do and told the defense, basically gave them the blueprint on what to do in order to stop that, you know, that that team, which is why it it was just, it wasn't even, it was a no-contest Super Bowl.
Lincoln: Every day. And then Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Brian Callahan was the head coach of the Raiders that went to a Super Bowl. Right? Like we we heard nothing before or nothing s and since. And because he went against Gruden, who knew what the office was gonna be because that's the system he ran, right? but it's the fact that that team went that team went to Super Bowl the year after John Gruden left with Brian Callaghan as the head coach.
Lee Glass: Right.
Donald "Doc" Glass: So it was a talented team. You had two future Hall of Famers at wide receiver, right? Jerry Rice and Tim Brown. they got Rich Gannon to actually end up becoming an NFL MVP, running the Gruden offense. This pump this way, throw this way, pump this way, throw this way. And that's why Gruden was able to tell them the defense, the really good Tampa Bay defense, just go opposite direction. and they did nothing afterwards. Like it was almost like a one year a one hit wonder that year for Gruden. And then like It just fell apart. I I don't think it's as egregious as Barry Switzer, who had a amazing college career, but and that's the saving grace for him in a sense, 'cause otherwise it's just like he's just along for the ride with the Cowboys. He's n this there's two other folks I'd I'd put in contention. I don't think they're as bad as some of the names that have been mentioned. And as much as I love Brian Billock and what that defense did to Super Bowl, based upon the fact that he was an offensive minded coach, yeah, that's just hard. That's just hard hard to hard to rally ro hard to rally behind behind you. for the talent that Green Bay had. Mike McCarthy only getting one with Aaron Rodgers. is is a bit tricky. and he's the other person I was gonna say, and he's not as bad as some of these other folks, but he's in contention, is because he didn't do much before and hasn't done much since, is Doug Peterson.
Lee Glass: Yeah. Yeah.
Lincoln: Mm.
Donald "Doc" Glass: He got the Eagles to a Super Bowl. He had the backup in there. Things were clicking. The Philly special. And then it's like within what two years they fired him. He goes to Jacksonville and doesn't do much. He he's he's not bottom three, but it's like
Lee Glass: That's Jacksonville though. That's
Lincoln: Jackson, but
Lee Glass: Jacksonville.
Lincoln: yeah.
Lee Glass: But that's Jacksonville. That's Jacksonville. Right? That's Jacksonville. You can't you couldn't expect him to do any yeah. And and yeah, I absolve him from that. And and I gotta give I I give I give him a lot of credit with being you know, he was down his spectacular starting quarterback, right? Who was on a VP run like none other. Okay. Lynx, your boy.
Donald "Doc" Glass: You absolve him? You you absolve him? Okay. Yep. Yep. Yep.
Lee Glass: Carson Wentz and took a backup in in fulls, a journeyman who's been all around the league and still beat a Tom Brady-led New England Patriots in the Super Bowl. And it was because of the offense. The offense was a big contributor to them winning that winning that Super Bowl. So I I have I I couldn't I couldn't put him on the list. I couldn't put him on the list. Especially after losing Carson Wentz, man. What Carson Wentz was on a tear that season.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Okay.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I yeah, we we've Yeah, he was on it there. He he he definitely was on it there. Yeah, he he was on it there.
Donald "Doc" Glass: My my my my nomination of him is not for what he did that year. It is the before and the since. But that year, yes, you must give him credit for all the adjustments that were made. Offensive minded coach with an offensively an offensive minded team with the backup quarterback doing well. Like you got yeah. So yeah.
Lee Glass: Mm. Mm. I got you. I got you.
Lincoln: Yeah.
Lee Glass: Mm. Right. Right.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I I think he had he had a he had some help in there. and I'm trying to remember who our OC was at the time. grief is I Frank Wright.
Donald "Doc" Glass: yeah, that's Frank Reich. It's Frank
Lee Glass: Styke was it w was it Frank Reich? Yeah, Frank Reich, yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Reiki. Yep.
Lincoln: Frank Reich. So Frank Reich, I would give Frank Reich the the the the nod on this, you know, because now granted, let me tell you, I I listen, listen, listen, listen. I'm I'm I'm giving Frank Reich the nod on this from a offensive standpoint. Now Doug Peterson was a a a a quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles. So he he he was familiar with the organization and being there, right? I think a lot of the adjustments and stuff that were made, I think they worked together. Obviously.
Lee Glass: Wow.
Lincoln: you know you know frank reich but some of that that that offense frank reich had had had had that offense rolling man yeah
Lee Glass: So so let me ask you this, both of you, what has Frank Reich done since leaving the Eagles to le make you believe that he was such a big contributor to the success of the Eagles during that Super Bowl run?
Lincoln: Now now in in Indy, you know, 'cause he was an Indy, wasn't w w where was he recently? Where was he recently? I think he had one of the
Lee Glass: Yeah. He's now with the Jets. He's now with the Jets.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Budget. Yeah.
Lincoln: Can't say nothing about him right now. But wasn't when he was in Indy, didn't they have a top offense when he was in Indy? No.
Lee Glass: Right, right.
Donald "Doc" Glass: It it it I don't think it was top ten. Yeah. But
Lee Glass: He was in talk. It was all right, but he was
Lincoln: Yeah.
Lee Glass: unceremoniously dismissed.
Lincoln: Yeah, he was. He was.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Was was that the Jeff Saturday sub yeah, okay.
Lee Glass: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Lincoln: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. He he hadn't he hadn't it looked, this might have been a flash in the pan thing that year. I definitely think him and him and Doug, you know, they put a good game plan together for the playoffs. And and really that entire season, I I I I would just say that entire season, you know, it was it was the the offense was just phenomenal. and and if you remember, we we really had sort of like a three headed monster at running back. you know you you you you we had Legarrett Blunt
Lee Glass: Mm. Right.
Lincoln: You know, we had who else was on who who who was the the other running backs on there? We had I think Miles Sanders. Was Miles Sanders on that team? I think so. and it was somebody else that's escaping me right now. But it was a three headed monster at running back.
Lee Glass: I think so, yeah.
Lincoln: and it was just Carson Wentz at that time gotten us up to that point. And then Nick Foles just went on a magical run. It was just it was just magical. and they just call the right the right place. Jay a gi, yes, Jaya Yes, Jaya Jay. so yeah, you know, and think it look look at that man. These these guys had it was it was just a magical it it was supposed to happen. But yeah, I mean
Donald "Doc" Glass: Cheya. Che a jay.
Lee Glass: Good game plan. Good game plan. Yeah, J J.
Lincoln: I I I I I don't know. Doug Peterson I can't put him down there. you know, because because of that season. I it it was a phenomenal season.
Lee Glass: He he he he ha he had he had I think he had a a a a a significant influence on the success of that offense. Some of these some of these coaches that I'm I'm calling out here, their teams won because one a certain side of the ball carried them, and these guys was not they had no say in in in that and e and one in embilic, that was sub his forte was non existent.
Lincoln: Absolutely. Carried, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: It's not their strength.
Lincoln: No one.
Lee Glass: Non existent.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Five games in the regular season in a row with no offensive touchdowns.
Lincoln: Come on, man.
Lee Glass: Ravens that season?
Donald "Doc" Glass: Yeah, that season. That's when they went from Tony Banks to to Trent Dilfer. They went five games in a row. They won at least two. They won at least two. But they went five games in a row in the regular season without a scoring touchdown.
Lincoln: Come on.
Lee Glass: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Lincoln: And and and and you were offensive coach? Mm-hmm.
Lee Glass: Yeah. Cause yeah.
Lincoln: That's crazy. Yeah.
Lee Glass: So so who who's the winner?
Lincoln: I'm going Brian Billick, man. Brian Billock for me. that team was just too talented. It was just it was just you know w with with you being an offensive head coach, you doc you just you just said it, but I I w I I I know I threw I I I threw Chucky in there, but you know, I d I definitely when I look at that defense it it was
Lee Glass: So so so I mean we we really dismissing Mike Ditko though? I mean I know everybody loved Ditka, right? But
Lincoln: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know.
Lee Glass: For as as as as touted as he's been, people always, you know, giving him this praise, he what'd he do?
Donald "Doc" Glass: He had Jim McMahon and sweetness. They was running the ball. He had refrigerator Perry running the ball. Come on.
Lincoln: He Refrigerate them.
Donald "Doc" Glass: As as much as it's it's it's close. It is it is real close. I'm gonna give Gary Kubiac
Lincoln: Mm. Cool yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: the the the trophy over over Ditka. 'Cause but Gary Kobiak, it's like, well he used to be John Elway's backup, so he had links to to the Broncos. And then that was the year he's like the head coach. They got they got Vaughn Miller and DeMarcus Ware and they got Wade Phillips, who is a horrible head coach, but an amazing defensive coordinator. And that defense is just wrecking people. And they still kind of almost limp into the playoffs with Oswald as the quarterback. And then Oswald gets hurt. Peyton comes back in. By the grace of God for Peyton Mann, he got hurt, watched four games, is like, wait a second. I don't have to carry this team at all. I just have to not screw up. So he comes back, and that dude was just dropping to the ground anytime someone came near him. He was dropping back 15 yards, falling to the ground, punt it.
Lincoln: Hm, yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Hunt it, don't worry about it. And they go and destroy people on their way to the wins and then we don't hear anything but Gary Kobiak ever again. So I
Lee Glass: So r remember now, Ditka after the Bears, he does go to the Saints. Right? And he he he is notorious for that draft where he traded his entire draft picks, all of them, for Ricky Williams, who is not known, who's not known in his career for being a Saint.
Lincoln: Mm-hmm.
Donald "Doc" Glass: The Ricky Williams, the Ricky Williams trade.
Lincoln: Yeah, yeah. For Ricky Williams, yeah.
Lee Glass: He's known more for being a Miami Dolphin. You're right.
Lincoln: Being a dolphin, yeah. Mm-hmm, yeah.
Lee Glass: Right.
Donald "Doc" Glass: so Lesne trades a whole bunch of draft picks and he's amazing, Mike Dick. I can't even I can't even finish it. I can't even finish it. Sorry, coach.
Lee Glass: he wins he he he won a Super Bowl because of it because of it yeah and he's not a coach
Lincoln: Right, right, right, right, right, yeah, yeah.
Lee Glass: I don't know, man. I I my my mine is I I'm a toss it between Barry Switzer and Mike Ditko. For me.
Lincoln: Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Come on, baby. That Barry spits it, boy. That Barry spits it, you.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah. You know, one w one thing I could say, Mike Ditka w what would what he did what he did do, he and he instilled the discipline and the fear a in you know at in Chicago. so I I would I would say he he he he he did that. but that team was that huh?
Lee Glass: Not buddy Ryan? Not Buddy Ryan? Not Buddy Ryan?
Lincoln: No, no, no, not Buddy Ryan, don't get me wrong. Buddy Ryan had but but I think between them two bouncing o bouncing off each other, you know, i Mike Disco just fed off.
Lee Glass: They didn't like each other. They didn't talk to each other. Right, right. Right.
Donald "Doc" Glass: No. Did not.
Lincoln: No, they didn't like each other at all. They didn't like each other at all. But I think it I think what it was was, you know, you know, Mike Dickel was out there doing commercials and doing all this and blah blah blah blah blah. And you know, and and and you know Buddy Ryan is more of a, you know, cut and dry, hard nose, you know, it is what it is. And so I think they actually helped each other because they didn't like each other. you know, one trying to up the ante I mean, look, Buddy Ryan didn't care. This was his D.
Lee Glass: Exactly.
Lincoln: Defense, as far as it's concerned, everybody figured Buddy Ryan was the the the like you said, he was the he was the coach, right? but I think Mike Ditka just his his his charisma and his and his you know bravado and you know how he just handled things in the media, I can't I it it just worked. It it it it worked.
Donald "Doc" Glass: I work for Chicago, yes. But
Lee Glass: Because they they had Buddy Ryan in that defense.
Donald "Doc" Glass: No but that that w when you when you when you put in a defense based on the players that you have that has never been seen before and has never been attempted since. And that thing was that amazing at that point in time. Like, yeah, that is impressive. Buddy Ryan is a heck of a coach. To the point that his sons were really good defensive coordinators. So yeah.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You can't you can't dispute that though.
Lee Glass: Mm-hmm.
Lincoln: yeah, that was crazy.
Lee Glass: Yes.
Lincoln: I almost became a Chicago Bear fan. Yeah. I was close. I was close boy. Yeah. Yeah, man. So you know. Give him that, give him that. So we had so so
Lee Glass: A lot of us almost became bear fans. Yeah, I was close too. I was close too.
Donald "Doc" Glass: No, that's a great question.
Lincoln: Yeah, yeah, that was that was a good one, man. That was that was a really good one. I I I like that. Keep keep keep keep it coming. Keep it coming. So this coming up we we should have some more news coming out of training camps, man. You know, training camps getting underway, a lot of them getting started, things are gonna be happening. So I think we'll have some information to share, you know, coming up next week with the with training camps and and and what's happening. So looking forward to it, man. It's it's it's getting closer and closer. Yeah.
Lee Glass: Can't wait.
Donald "Doc" Glass: Yeah.
Lee Glass: I can't wait. It's gonna it's it's gonna be well, kinda, but I liter I liter I I can't wait. You know, it this is gonna be like Christmas to me. Yeah.
Donald "Doc" Glass: that was a bar spot reference.
Lincoln: Yeah. Yeah, I know it.
Donald "Doc" Glass: things like forty isn't like forty eight days or something like that till till the first game. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. So
Lee Glass: Something like that, yeah.
Lincoln: Alright fellas. Alright one. Catch you on the next one. Yep.
Lee Glass: Alright. See you guys on the next one.
Donald "Doc" Glass: All right. Catch you all later.
