2026-09-05: Forward Thinking

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You're shaking your head.
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Greetings waiting for it to kick in you hear me okay yeah i'm okay,
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we're all going uh yeah shall we uh shall we just go yeah okay here comes Transcription,
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by CastingWords Welcome to Curmudgeons Corner for Saturday, September 5th,
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2026. It's just before 1830 UTC. I'm Sam Mentor, Yvonne Boas here. Hello again, Yvonne.
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Hi.
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So as usual, we'll talk less newsy stuff at the beginning and get more and more
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newsy as the time goes on.
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So, Ivan, anything exciting going on?
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I got a movie and a TV show, I guess. I don't know.
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Mostly first world problems.
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Yeah.
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It's just, you know, my flight was delayed three hours yesterday. Look, I got a flat tire.
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On Tuesday, as I was heading to take Manu to school to then go to the airport,
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I saw that I had a flat tire.
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And I'm like, I don't know. So anyway, I had to go back and take my wife's car,
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to drop him off at school. And I was leaving early enough that I had plenty of time.
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So I went and I called an Uber.
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Okay, I had to take an Uber to the airport, which I rarely do.
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I don't like it, number one. I really don't like being driven.
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I don't particularly enjoy it.
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Okay.
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Especially by a random stranger.
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I've never used Uber, but I've used Lyft quite a bit. Well, whatever. Never really minded.
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Or ride share. Whatever.
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Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
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Or a taxi.
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They're pretty much the same, and usually it's the same damn car because they're using both.
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A whole bunch of times you've got guys that go on both.
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Doing both, right, yeah. But I've never minded. I've never minded at all. it's it's you know i.
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Don't fucking like it do the thing i pretty much hate it yeah okay so,
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so i i did that then well coming back i had to do the same thing,
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first asshole that i that i called for an uber ride first when i called a ride
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and i've noticed this happened a couple of times where where you call a ride,
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and the driver accepts the the the the ride but that doesn't actually start heading your way.
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Right.
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It's sitting there somewhere, not moving. And then...
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I sent him a message, hey, are you coming or what? It's like,
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what, what, like, he can't see that I can't notice that son of a bitch is not
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moving? So then he started coming.
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And then at Miami airport, there are very specific things of where to,
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where to pick up points are. Upper level, lower level, so you have to be,
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and so I had specifically lower level. Door six.
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This asshole went, and as he came, I noticed, all of a sudden,
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supposedly he had arrived, but he went upstairs.
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Even though the app clearly said that it was at the lower level not the upper
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level so I texted him hey dumbass,
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you're the upper level so what did he do he cancelled the run and this is after
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waiting 10 minutes for this asshole,
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and then I had to get another guy this guy did show up so I got here annoying,
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I like sorry but when I got to the airport I much prefer getting to my fucking
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car and going home right okay so,
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dishwasher guys came in,
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dishwasher couldn't be installed our dishwasher is having a problem where it's
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leaking water so it's not.
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So you're are you replacing a dishwasher or getting it fixed.
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We're replacing it because look it's it's over old it's it's old this is not
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the first problem it's had are you getting one of.
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Those new ones they just announced it has a camera inside there was there was
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like a news story this week of like a.
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Dishwasher with a.
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Camera inside and ai it looks at your dishes decides what it should do you know all this kind of stuff.
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No no um no but but i was getting a i don't know i was getting a i had a bosch
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i was getting a bosch i was getting you know i got the one that appears to be
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the highest rated most recommended dishwasher of their series.
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Okay.
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All right. So guy came in. The first thing to do is turn off the valve for the
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water line heading to there. My valve's broken.
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Nice can't do the install i had to call plumber which i guess is coming tomorrow,
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and then i spent three days going round and round with my,
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i was trying to see i i i didn't get my tires last time at the dealer i got
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him at costco i tried to see if the dealer could get the tires and so i could
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get it installed i spent three days texting him couldn't get a straight answer,
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so i went to costco today to see if they have the tires they apparently they they they don't,
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have the exact tire which is really annoying i don't understand this thing where,
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i have the summer tires i noticed that getting the because where i live i live
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in fucking florida i don't need all season tires.
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Yeah you you don't need the like super winterized.
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Anything no i don't need all season tires okay right right this car you're not
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going to drive to minnesota next week no no and so i i not that it's like.
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Cold in minnesota right now anyway.
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Well not right now but but you know yeah but but i'm not going you know i'm
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not going to drive to a winter climate in that car i mean,
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it may if it happens it will be a rare occurrence so i i don't need all season
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tires i want the summer tires which are better performing in the wet and other
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things and i i try and so but for whatever the hell reason,
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most of these guys don't have the the summer tire is an order only option i
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have to get the they have an all season they have this the tire i have but the all season version,
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and i'm like fine fuck it just put the stick you know i'll get the i'll get
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that one but but they were booked up today at costco so i'll,
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i'll have it done tomorrow the thing is that i gotta figure out how to get the
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car over there right now. Because...
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Because it's got a flat still.
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It's flat. And...
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I haven't tried the, so I've tried this thing a couple of times before.
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It never worked where it's got this fluid where it's supposed to,
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you have this pump and this thing, and it's supposed to temporarily patch the
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tire so you can take it to get replaced. Okay.
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I mean, because once you use that goo, you can't, the tire's gone. Okay.
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So I'm going to try to see if that will inflate the tire. Okay.
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You know, so that I could at least nurse it to get the tire replaced.
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But if that doesn't work, then I got to get a tote.
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Which I am now at the point where I'm considering that I think I am going to
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buy a spare wheel and a spare tire and a jack to keep it in my garage.
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So if this happens again I have a fucking spare maybe I'm not driving around
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with it but if I get the car,
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well the thing is that I can get the car home probably at some point and if
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I have the spare tire there I don't have to go through this thing of trying
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to get to a store and doing all this stuff if I already have,
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a spare tire with a wheel mounted I can just you know get the car home pop the
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tire on and we're set Okay.
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Assuming you can get home.
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I mean, even if it's towed home, your normal routine is pretty close to home,
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right? Oh, even if it's towed home.
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Right? Even if it's towed home, at least I don't have to go.
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And then after I get home, then I, you know, have to go through all of this other shit.
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At least I get home and I immediately, boom, done.
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It's not like you're driving habits or you're driving back and forth to Boston
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on a regular basis or something.
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You're within 20, 25 miles of home most of the time. 50 at most. Okay.
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Yeah. So, and they'll tell you 50 miles, no problem.
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Exactly.
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Yeah. So, okay.
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So, so I think that's, I think that's, that's what I'm going to do.
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I'm going to order a wheel.
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I'm going to get a tire mounted on it with one of my tires as a spare.
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I'm going to, I'm going to get the jack because there's no jack in the car.
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I'm going to get a proper jack for it. I'm going to keep it in the garage.
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I know how to fucking change a tire.
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And the next time it happens, I, I at least got a spare tire in the fucking garage for this.
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I know there's no longer a dedicated space for it, but you could give up your
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trunk space for it or even just put it in a passenger seat, put a seatbelt on it.
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Oh, well, I could do, oh, that would be nice. That'd be great.
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People, that'd be lovely. Sure.
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It's your friend.
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It's my friend. Yes, look, my friend. Look, Michelin Pilot Sport 4. My best friend.
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Exactly. You know, it'd be perfect.
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So, no, I'm not going to ride around Well, the tire is my best friend now in the car.
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But I think it's a sensible thing to just get a damn spare wheel.
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You ranted about the fact that this isn't like a default for a while,
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like on the show. You know, why did they stop doing this?
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It's really annoying. Their solution is, and here's the thing.
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For a while, BMW did this, but their solution, which I thought was the best
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solution, was, hey, we're going to ship our cars with zero, run flat tires.
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And and that was i you know that was fine that was much better than this,
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but many people complained about it because with a run flat tires you don't
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have as many options for tires afterwards okay because not all tires come in run flat,
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i think bmw did think that run flats would become like the standard and the
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reality is that they haven't which is really baffling to me,
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how this is not a the standard right,
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another thing that people complain about to run flats is that in order for a
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tire to be a proper run flat,
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One of the sacrifices that is done is that the tire actually has a harsher ride.
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Okay, yeah.
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Because the sidewalls are a lot stiffer. So that means that there's a lot less give on the tire.
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Okay, yeah. Trade-offs?
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Yeah, so people complained about that. I couldn't give two flying fucks about it.
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I think that that's a perfectly sensible trade-off for the security of a run flat.
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Because when I had run flats on my car and this kind of stuff happened,
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it was a non-issue because I would get TPMS would tell me, hey, this tire was flat.
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You've got a puncture. And usually, almost every time it was repairable.
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I didn't even have to replace the tire. They could patch the tire.
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And somehow we've made this greatly backwards in technology.
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As we've made a lot of greatly backwards in the last 20 years.
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We seem to be fucking, I don't know.
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Throw a couple more examples out.
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I mean, what are you thinking of? Let's see. Think about shit.
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We've taken away people's rights.
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We've gone, I mean, what are we doing?
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I thought you were talking specifically tech, like, you know, technology stuff.
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No, I'm talking in general that we seem to be.
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That's different.
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You know, we used to be in an era of progress and it seems like Now,
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you know, it was all progress, right? Clean energy.
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You know, people's rights, you know, safer technology.
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And somehow, you know, in vehicle
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safety, we've made a whole bunch of things that make the car safer.
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But then we did this thing, which makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
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Nobody can tell me that this is safer in any way.
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And we've done other things that trend towards the less safe for,
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like, the thing I keep thinking about, is the big, huge SUVs that may be fine
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for the occupant, but, like, you know.
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But everybody else around is, you know, is more in danger. Yes, absolutely.
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Like, you see all these diagrams of, like, how many children you can,
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like, stack in front of one of these before the driver can actually see them.
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Right.
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Things like that. You know, yes, yes. It's like, and often, you know,
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it's one thing when there's utilities. to it it's another thing when it's just
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like it's cool to have a really big vehicle you know.
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Right because that's it there's no utility in it it's it's not like you know
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you take a toyota sienna minivan right okay uh current toyota van probably i
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think people agree probably the best one for sale out there,
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hybrid van gets you almost 40 50 miles per gallon seats eight people seven or
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eight With your luggage and everything Comfortable, safe,
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You know, everything that you need For a big family vehicle And it's much smaller
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than these behemoths And this
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thing will do almost all the things That the other car needs better But,
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More efficient, but yet we choose the fucking massive, gargantuan SUV.
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Well, I've heard along the same lines, and you can correct me if this is bullshit,
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but like, you know, on the, you know, the whole pickup truck thing with like,
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you know, that people don't, don't really use the truck beds anyway.
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90 plus percent of the people don't use them. And then they keep getting even bigger pickup trucks.
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Right. With smaller beds often.
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With smaller beds, yes. Yeah.
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But people have said, like, if you actually wanted, like, because people justify
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it, well, what if I need to haul cargo, whatever.
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But people have looked at it and said, well, if you really want to haul cargo,
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the best thing is like a panel van or something like that.
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Probably, yeah.
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You know, you just, it's enclosed, so it protects what's in it.
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And it's actually got decent volume, bigger area of what would be the bed.
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And sometimes you get also these people comparing the actual cargo area of these
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tiny little Japanese trucks to the massive American trucks.
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And they're almost the same.
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And they're almost sometimes bigger. They're bigger.
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It doesn't make any sense. The little Japanese K vehicles.
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Yeah. They're more convenient. Look, Ford did something. Look,
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they kept releasing bigger and more expensive and bigger trucks, right? Then somehow,
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some product guy snuck in, hey, let's build a small, cheap pickup truck called Ford Maverick.
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Now let's let's see what happens demand has been through the roof,
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they have now been able to keep up with the man and the reality is because a
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lot of people wound up buying the other pickup trucks which is the only other,
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uh pickup trucks available,
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or maybe because they just just didn't see an option and then all of a sudden
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they presented to them a small practical fuel economical pickup truck that was
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nice and they were like oh look at this,
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this is great and it's cheap and it's and it gets 40 miles per gallon i don't
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eat this other massive pickup truck so they've been selling out like crazy.
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And you can throw a spare tire in the back.
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And you can just throw up every yes.
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Okay anything else ivan or should we move on i got a movie i got a i've got a.
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Tv show come on What do we got? What do we got?
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Okay, this time, from 1955, Godzilla Raids Again.
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So this is, it's the second Godzilla movie.
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After the original 1954 Godzilla, I'll read you a quick plot.
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In 1955, a pilot named Shoiki Tusakawa, who is working for Kayo Fishing,
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Inc., guides a fishing trawler towards a school of Bonito.
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Koji Kobayashi, another pilot, faces engine troubles and makes an emergency
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landing on Iwato Island.
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Suikawa is sent to rescue Kobayashi, but they both encounter two giant dinosaurian
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creatures locked in battle, Godzilla and a new quadruped monster.
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The pilots escape as the monsters tumble into the sea.
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Tsukika and Kobayashi go to Osaka to help Dr. Yamane and the authorities investigate
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the encounter. The new monster is identified as an ankylosaurus-like carnivore named Angurius.
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Dr. Yamane shows the authorities footage of the first Godzilla attack and notes
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that the first Godzilla was killed by the oxygen destroyer, but its inventor
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died, and that there are no proven countermeasures left against Godzilla.
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Dr. Yamani suggests using a blackout and using drop flares to lure Godzilla
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away due to the first Godzilla being sensitive to light.
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Dot, dot, dot. Continues. Monster fights. Godzilla stomping on buildings.
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All of the stuff you normally expect in these films.
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And, you know, we've actually...
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Was this subtitled or dubbed?
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Oh, no, no. We are purists.
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We are going with original language and English subtitles.
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Okay.
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Sometimes this has caused us problems on later movies to actually find the right configuration.
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There was a recent movie and I'm not going to review it right now,
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but there was a King Kong movie.
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Okay.
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That was, it was a Japanese King Kong movie and it was only available in Japanese,
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with no subtitles or with English dubbing.
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It was not available. I searched everywhere. It was not available in Japanese
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with English subtitles.
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So I'll eventually get to this one in order, but it'll probably be a year from
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now. So I'll tell this part of the story now.
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So for the first time in like well over a decade, probably close to 20 years.
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I pirated something. And I torrented this because somebody out there on the internet,
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had helpfully made a version that was Japanese with English subtitles,
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but it was not available to purchase freaking anywhere.
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You know, it's just some fan had gotten the Japanese version and the English
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subtitles and properly merged them, re-synchronized them.
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Because there were also some slight differences between the Japanese and the
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American version in terms of how it was edited.
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But they rebuilt the subtitles, they put it all together, they made it available.
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And so I spent like, you know, I let the torrent, it took like 12 hours to torrent
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the damn video. and then we played it off my computer and we were able to successfully do that.
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But anyway, no, no. In Japanese with English subtitles and we've got like,
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we bought like the box set, okay?
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Because like some of these movies are only available in the box set or only
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available in the box set in like proper quality and with the subtitles and blah, blah, blah.
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So we bought a box set with all the goddamn Godzilla movies and we're working our way through them.
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And look, my review of this is going to be, at least until we get to the modern
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Godzilla movies, which I gather have a different vibe, for all of these old ones,
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My review is probably going to be about the same, which are,
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these are not good movies.
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They're that bad?
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No, but, but they are the kind.
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Is it bad in a way that it's good? Is that what you're telling me?
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Yes.
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Ah, I see.
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They are bad in the way that they are fucking hilarious.
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And you spend the whole damn movie laughing. Like, you know, and if you take them.
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Let me ask a question. Was that the movie maker's intent?
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You know, well, you know, you make a movie and you're intending to be a comedy,
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right? You know, like, for example, you don't make a drama, for example,
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where people are dying and people wind up laughing. Well, that would be bad.
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Okay? You know, if you think that you're making a tearjerker and all of a sudden,
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you know, you know what I'm saying?
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I'd have to research it. I don't know for sure. But, like, because it's presented
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earnestly for the most part.
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You know like the the characters are acting seriously it's it's sort of like
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a drama i think some of the later ones we've watched,
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i think are more intentional i don't know but but fundamentally you've got a guy in a big rubber suit,
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like stomping on cardboard buildings and stuff you know like at a certain point like,
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how can you not laugh i mean and i realize but and and and actually,
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be careful about this these were low budget to begin with i mean you know on
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the one hand you're like oh it was the 1950s you know everything was sort of
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campy and and cheap and special effects weren't that good but that's not entirely true i.
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Just checked i.
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Just checked.
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Is this called Godzilla Raids again, right?
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Yeah, that's the one that's the second one.
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Yeah it was not intended to be a comedy,
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okay in fact, it was produced as a dark, serious horror movie that directly
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revisited the grim post-war themes of the original, okay,
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okay however it,
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inadvertently laid the brown work for the sillier era of the franchise due to
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how it was made. So apparently...
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They did not intend it to be a comedy, but it seems that people took it that way anyway.
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I mean, that's the thing with these.
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And like I said, we're like a couple movies further into the series at this
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point. And I think they start to lean into it at that point.
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Yeah, that's exactly, that's apparently what happens, yes.
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Right. But like, but here it's just, it is, you cannot help but laughing at
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the ridiculousness of what is going on on your screen.
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And, you know, and then you've got characters who seemingly are like taking this seriously.
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And, and you've got like over the top acting and like, even with the language
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barrier, you can tell it's like over the top melodramatic, you know, et cetera.
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And you know so we are enjoying this series as we slowly go through it but it is like the,
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the mocking of it and the you know just how ridiculous things are the really
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bad special effects all of this kind of stuff,
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and it's just it's fun it's fun and it's campy it's fun You can't take it seriously
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at all, even though apparently they intended it seriously, but, you know, whatever.
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And, yeah, it's just enjoyable for that kind of thing.
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So, there you go. That's Godzilla Raids again.
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Okay.
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Have you ever watched any of these?
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I think I did, like, a long, long time ago, yes.
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Like, probably, like, back in the 70s. I am pretty sure I did.
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Mm-hmm. But it's been a long time. I mean, yeah, it's been quite a long time.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's worth maybe picking out one or two to just mock them and laugh.
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Alex wants me to point out that just in the last couple weeks,
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well, his school started again this week.
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So we're back in school, which means we're back into a rotation where usually
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we grab him some lunch at McDonald's before we head out there.
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Now, before everybody gets on me about McDonald's lunch and being unhealthy
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every day, Alex's normal order is apples, an order of apples and some apple
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juice. Okay. We get that on the way to school. It's part of the routine.
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Yvonne's like shaking his head like, what the fuck? You know,
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why would you do that? You could get apples other places.
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Yeah.
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Well, they come in a little bag, pre-slices, you know. Okay.
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Yeah. Yeah, and I slice up apples for my son and put them in a little package
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and send those to school.
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If we buy apples at home, we just find them a few months later,
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shriveled up and full of flies. So it's better this way.
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Fair.
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I can't argue with that.
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We also have an apple tree in the front yard that produces apples every year.
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My mother keeps trying to convince us to eat the apples from our own tree.
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And she takes some of them home and eats them.
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But I'm like, what the hell? No, you're going to eat apples that come off the
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tree? No, apples come from the damn grocery store.
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You know, I don't trust them. They're just like, anyway. No,
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but the point is, we started going back to school.
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And he realized after the first day he got his apples and he noticed that the
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label on the apples was actually like themed relating to these movies.
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And it turns out that right now McDonald's Happy Meals are based on a crossover,
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between the Godzilla franchise and Hello Kitty.
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And so he has started getting the Happy Meals for the first time in years to get the toys.
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It's Hello Kitty characters wearing Godzilla franchise costumes.
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Weird.
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So, so anyway, he started to get the happy meals. He's gotten five happy meals
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so far, but he's frustrated because four out of the five were Hello Kitty in the Mothra costume.
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And he got one of some other Hello Kitty character. I don't know what its name
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is in a space Godzilla costume, but like, you know, he's gotten four of the same.
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And they're apparently like, you know, at least, I don't know,
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six, eight different toys you can get in this. But we've gotten like four of
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one and one of another so far.
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So, you know, and I guess they always, some are rarer than others,
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but come on. We got four Mothras already.
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Anyway, that's that.
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Interesting. You should go to your McDonald's and get some Hello Kitty slash Godzilla mashup toys.
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I got to admit that I haven't been to McDonald's in a very, very, very long time.
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I think that the last time I went to McDonald's was,
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it was some night that I came home on a flight that came in very, oh, those look cool.
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It's My Melody Mothra, according to it. Okay, go ahead. I showed Ivana a picture.
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For those who can't see. Um, I, uh, it's like, I, I, um, I got in on a super late flight.
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:13.260
I was starving and it was like really the only place open.
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I need, I just, I mean, it was, and there is one, like, walking distance from my house, literally.
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So, I mean, I didn't walk there. I mean, I was driving. So, I went in through
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the drive-thru and just got some food.
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And so, I just, I was starving. I mean, I must admit, I used to go there more
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often when they sold salads because I liked their salads.
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And for some reason, during the pandemic, they killed all the salads.
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No one wanted those anyway.
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It seems that way, yes. Because sales at McDonald's are up after they killed the salads.
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Okay. Yeah, no, his usual is two orders of apple slices and two apple juices,
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and he'll eat that on the way to school.
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If we are leaving early for something, which we don't for school,
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because his school starts later, He'll get, like, sometimes the breakfast sandwiches,
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or sometimes if he feels like it'll get some fries or something...
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And like I said, he's getting Happy Meals now, but it's because he noticed the
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toys. He wants the damn toys from the Godzilla, Mothra, Hello Kitty thing. Okay.
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And I haven't, I went through, like, when he first started doing McDonald's
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stuff, I tried to do some McDonald's stuff again.
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And I realized I really don't like it.
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So I'll usually get him the McDonald's and I'll wait and I'll eat while he's
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at school instead. Something else.
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I will say this. It's not that I don't. Look, I got a burger.
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I'm okay with other fast food. Just to be clear, it's the only.
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But listen, here's what I'm going to say.
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I'll do other fast food.
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What I got the last time, okay, that I remember, was very tasty.
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So it wasn't that I don't like it, but I know it's not good for me.
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So therefore, I avoid it like the plague.
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Now, I understand. It's like there are certain things on the McDonald's menu I'm okay with.
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But like i i i actually like their fries for instance i.
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Do like mcdonald's fries i like their milkshakes i like their fries and like
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you know i'll get chicken tenders there let me tell you something i did get,
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i i i i lie there the last time i went to mcdonald's was in puerto rico,
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okay so there they there is a mcdonald's right beside the office for this customer,
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and I had been running around all day and I had not been able to eat anything.
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And then I had to wait for this appointment at the customer because they couldn't receive me at the time.
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And I went and I ate chicken tenders. You reminded me of the chicken tenders.
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I ordered the chicken tenders.
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The chicken tenders are okay.
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At McDonald's. Yeah. So I, I, I, that was, but that was in a Puerto Rico McDonald's.
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Yeah. So it's, I just, look, my whole thing is it's not that I don't like the food.
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Don't get me wrong. They make some, some of the fast food, they make very tasty
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food, but I know it's not good for me. So I'll just avoid it like the plague.
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Yeah, like, if I'm going for fast food for myself, McDonald's is much lower on my list.
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You know, like, I'll go to Wendy's first.
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You know, I like Wendy's better. Yeah, out here we have...
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That is the one that I probably eat more regularly whenever we eat fast food. Is it Wendy's?
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Because of food allergies for Mono.
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It's the only place that really fast food, that I can buy him some food.
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If we, I usually, we don't usually eat fast food, but, but, but hey,
00:32:54.870 --> 00:32:56.930
we're on the road or something, whatever. We're going to get something,
00:32:56.930 --> 00:32:58.940
right? I want to get Manu something.
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Wendy's is the place because their food, listen, not McDonald's, not Chick-fil-A.
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I don't know. Who else? All of them have allergens that Manu cannot eat in their
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chicken nuggets, in everything.
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Gotcha.
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And Wendy's is the only place that doesn't use those.
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And so it's like, and if I buy, you know, something for Manu,
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then I'll get a burger myself, you know, and eat it.
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But, you know, we do that once. I mean, shit, it's been, it happens a few times
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a year. It's like you can count them like, you know, we go like.
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We're definitely more often than that, but, you know, not every day either. Okay. Moving on.
00:33:46.610 --> 00:33:50.860
Well, apparently every day that you go to school, but of course it's apples and apples.
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Well, he, yeah. And I don't usually consume at that point, but he does.
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Yes. It's, it's apples and apple juice. Okay.
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So that's, I, I, I could, I could, I could not, I can, I will not count that
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as fast food consumption.
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You getting apples and apple juice for, for him. Yeah.
00:34:10.420 --> 00:34:13.020
You know, now that we've said that next time we go to school,
00:34:13.020 --> 00:34:16.940
we'll have to like, he can have his apples and apple juice, but we'll have to
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like pig out and get like a whole bunch of other stuff too.
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You know, for me, just so I can completely shove, shove it in my face and consume,
00:34:30.090 --> 00:34:35.510
the proper McDonald's thing. I can do the, what was the guy who did the movie
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where he ate at McDonald's for a month or something? and, you know.
00:34:39.130 --> 00:34:40.930
Yeah, then we found out that he faked most of it.
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Supersize me. Supersize me.
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Oh, did you see that now we found out that he had faked most of it?
00:34:46.820 --> 00:34:47.870
Well, and then he also has...
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And that he was also an alcoholic.
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And he's got all kinds of health problems.
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That he didn't disclose. And yeah, so that the whole thing was just a sham, basically.
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And he admitted to it. Make sure it's back on my list of movies.
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Supersize me. super size me,
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there we go 2004 documentary by morgan spurlock,
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yeah and um yeah findings reception counterclaims oh there was a reply documentary called fathead,
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on this to the list too okay whatever,
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Okay, you had said before we started to record.
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Super Size B is widely considered misleading because filmmaker Morgan Spurlock
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hit his severe daily alcohol abuse.
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That maybe had an influence more than the McDonald's food. You know?
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Maybe.
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Just a tit. He should have just done a documentary on that.
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Spurlock later admitted he.
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Was a heavy daily drinker during the filming process,
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doctors noted his severe liver dysfunction resembled heavy binge drinking.
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Lovely okay anyway so even though we've been going a while because we've actually
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got relatively few things on our subject list I'm gonna go ahead and do my TV
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show too before we take a break and get to newsy stuff,
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So the TV show this time around is The Orville.
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Do you know about The Orville? Or have you watched it? Have you seen it? Anything?
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It was on from 2017 to 2022.
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Three seasons, not directly back to back, obviously, in that time frame.
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There have been ongoing rumors that they want to do a fourth season,
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but every time I look into it, it seems to mostly be vapor.
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Like, the cast and crew are like, yeah, it would be cool to do a fourth season,
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but there's nothing actually in the works.
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Anyway, The Orville, reading the description from Wikipedia,
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not plots or anything, but the description.
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The Orville is an American science fiction comedy-drama television series created
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by Seth MacFarlane, who also stars as the,
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protagonist Ed Mercer, an officer in the Planetary Union's line of exploratory
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space vessels in the 25th century.
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It was inspired primarily by the original Star Trek and Next Generation programs,
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and the series pays homage to both.
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The series also draws inspiration from the Star Wars franchise.
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Produced by Fuzzy Door Productions and 20th Television, it follows the crew
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of the starship USS Orville on their episodic adventures, as well as a serialized
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story which develops over the length of the series.
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According to McFarlane, the series and the starship are named after the aviation
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pioneer Orville Wright.
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Anyway, the first two seasons were originally broadcast on Fox,
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and, and I guess the third one, yeah, I, the third one was a little different.
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I think it was Fox 2. Anyway, anyway, and they were also on Hulu.
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The, when this first came out, like, it was clearly intended as sort of a Star Trek send-up parody,
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and apparently the reaction to the first season overall by people was that it
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sucked, but that it sort of figured out what it was doing in the second season.
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And by the time they were sort of in their heyday in the middle of the second
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season people were saying like this was actually the best Star Trek even though it wasn't Star Trek,
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and this was like before the recent round of all kinds of new Star Trek TV shows,
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because it sort of went back to the original series next generation idea of,
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you have self-contained episodes only really loose threads the first season,
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really leaned into this is a parody and we're over the top and it's a bit of
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a comedy and blah blah blah,
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by the time they got to the second season they started actually taking themselves
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a little bit more seriously I mean there were still comedy elements but it started
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to just be more like okay yeah this is another like Star Trek-like show.
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Overall, I give the Orville thumbs up. I enjoyed all three seasons.
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The last season had fewer episodes and they apparently got a bigger budget.
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I don't think that the bigger budget actually like helped.
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I think it actually like they distracted themselves a little bit with more and
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better special effects and wasn't as didn't concentrate as much on the sort
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of character dynamics and stuff.
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Yeah, I've seen that where people look. That reminds me of, like,
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the first Star Trek movie where they got so into the fucking special effects,
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they forgot about the fucking movie for a while.
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Exactly.
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Look, we can make this look like for real, not like when we did it on TV.
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Look at this. It looks so real. I'm like, yeah, well, how about,
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you know, developing the plot a little better?
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Which was, it wasn't bad. It was just the pain.
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It was kind of plodding and slow.
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But, I mean, it wasn't terrible. But yeah, they could have focused.
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Anyway, I enjoyed the Orville. I liked the show. I liked the characters. I liked the plotting.
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I guess they were mostly concentrated in the first season. There were some episodes
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that were a little cringe.
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But on the whole, I liked the whole series. And I was disappointed when we got
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to the end of season three and there wasn't a season four.
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And I wish there was more coming and I would have happily watched more.
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And so I have checked periodically these rumors of a fourth season and,
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you know, that, oh, they want to make a fourth season, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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But yeah, as far as I can tell, it hasn't moved beyond they think it would be
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nice to make a fourth season. You know, but...
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Anyway, fun show. And it's only three seasons.
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And it's only, let's see, first season is 12 episodes. Second season is 26. Third is only 10.
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So, you know, the total number of hours ain't all that much.
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I should, let's see, how long did it take us to watch this thing?
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I'm going to look that up real quick.
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Because of course I have that. Of course I have that. Series backlog,
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TV shows, blah, blah, blah.
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Orville I have to spell it right,
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Orville. There we go. We started it in February 2025 and finished it in October
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2025. So we watched the whole thing in eight months.
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That's not bad.
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And keep in mind, we do not binge watch.
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Right. When we're rotating shows, we're rotating between 10 shows.
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We pick one episode of one of the 10, we watch, and then we move on.
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Well, one of the 10 is a movie. But anyway, so yeah, anyway, good show.
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I like it. I recommend it. If you like, if you like Star Trek and those type
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of shows and with a lit and, and if you like, you know, Seth MacThorne and his other things.
00:42:47.590 --> 00:42:52.020
Did you just see the, the, the, the, the light shine on me? That was a lightning
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strike that just happened very close by.
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No, but I heard it.
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Oh, you did hear it.
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I heard something that, I heard something that sounded like thunder. I wasn't sure, but.
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Oh, yeah.
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Anyway, Seth MacFarlane, of course, also does other stuff. Like,
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he's the guy behind Family Guy.
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So if you like that kind of humor and you like Star Trek and you're interested
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in perhaps seeing the two merged, that's what this is kind of like.
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He was also an incredible singer, if I remember correctly, if I'm not confusing.
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Is he?
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Yes. as a matter of fact let me double check but I'm pretty sure I got this right,
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Hold on, hang on.
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I do see him listed as singer, as one of the things he did. Music career.
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And look,
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he does a Sinatra. He sings like Sinatra, and it sounds just like Sinatra.
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It's amazing. Look, he did, in the movie Sing, he did, you know,
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do a lot of singing in the movie.
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That's an animated movie with, like, a singing pig or something.
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Right? Which is a fantastic movie, by the way, okay, if you haven't watched it.
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Okay, yeah.
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Okay, it is really, really good.
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Adding to my list as well.
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And, yeah, he sang, like, he did a rendition of My Way on it that I thought
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that they were just taking Sinatra. No, it was him. He's incredible.
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Okay. Here we go. There are actually several movies named Sing.
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This is the 2016 animated musical comic.
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Yes. Yes. It's a great movie. I give that one two thumbs up. It's an awesome movie.
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I feel like I've seen bits of it, but I don't remember if I've seen it.
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I do have, because it was very popular when it was out. So, yeah.
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Okay.
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They did a sequel. Not as good.
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Okay. With my recommendation for both the Godzilla franchise,
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Godzilla Raids again specifically, and for the Orville,
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I'm going to take a break and we'll come back and we'll spend the rest of the
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show, I don't know, we're talking about newsy stuff.
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We have, we have a request from our listener ad for one topic and then we've got like.
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Okay, well, well let's do that.
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Ballroom, USPS, ballots, you know, the whole thing.
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Anyway, I don't know. This is, Yvonne's been talking on the Slack about like
00:45:28.370 --> 00:45:31.690
the Venezuela oil thing. I don't know. There's other stuff going on.
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Where here, here comes our first break.
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The Venezuela oil scam. Yes.
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Okay, where would you like to start, Yvonne?
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Well, let's start with what Ed wanted to talk about.
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Okay, Ed mentioned a thing that happened a while ago now.
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It was in the news a while ago, and the actual incident happened earlier,
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where a test inside OpenAI,
00:48:03.190 --> 00:48:10.850
ended up escaping confinement and hacking a place called Hugging Face that contains,
00:48:11.720 --> 00:48:17.460
databases of AI models and information about AI models and all this kind of stuff.
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But there have actually been a handful of other similar incidents by both OpenAI
00:48:25.990 --> 00:48:29.930
and Anthropic reported in the last few weeks.
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The most recent, just in the last couple days, was apparently this was another
00:48:35.660 --> 00:48:42.860
OpenAI thing where a bunch of OpenAI tests, I think they were test models,
00:48:43.510 --> 00:48:49.910
hijacked sort of a wiki in Germany and started using it as a discussion board
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to communicate amongst themselves.
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And when the administrators started realizing that their pages were getting,
00:48:58.750 --> 00:49:03.450
contaminated, they started deleting some of the pages and the AIs started,
00:49:05.330 --> 00:49:10.310
developing contingency plans and multiple copies and backups and telling each
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other where to go and all of this kind of stuff.
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The basic theme behind all of these is that as these AIs have gotten information
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agentic capabilities and the capabilities to interact directly with the internet,
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They've been doing all kinds of things. And sometimes when directed to by their owners.
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But sometimes they've been doing things that their owners did not want or expect.
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Sometimes within the case of like the first, the hugging face example,
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they were specifically doing security research on a version of the model that
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had taken, where they had intentionally disabled some of the protections,
00:49:58.820 --> 00:50:03.510
but they had them within a sandbox that they were not supposed to be able to
00:50:03.510 --> 00:50:05.450
access the Internet or get out of.
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And, of course, the AIs found a bug in the sandbox.
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Right.
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And they found a way out, and then they started doing stuff on the Internet. Well, let's be clear.
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But I think that's the key to this.
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Look, they were running an experiment where they actually asked it to do it,
00:50:23.590 --> 00:50:29.380
And they had actually left a bug in the environment that allowed them to actually
00:50:29.630 --> 00:50:33.450
do what they didn't want it to do. So it's kind of like, you know.
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Well, they left a bug. It wasn't intentional. And also the thing that they ended
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up doing, by the way, was cheating.
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The hugging face attack was not, they didn't tell it like, oh,
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go see if you can hack a website or whatever.
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They were running it through some standardized tests to gauge the abilities of AI models.
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And the AI models, once they reached the Internet, were like,
00:51:00.780 --> 00:51:06.310
hey, this place has information about the test we're taking.
00:51:06.670 --> 00:51:11.820
Maybe we can find the answer key and then just get all the right answers.
00:51:11.820 --> 00:51:14.230
Hey, but isn't that what you want to do? And so that's what they did.
00:51:16.690 --> 00:51:18.230
I mean, isn't that what you would do?
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:21.910
Oh, look, I could get the answer key.
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This reminds me, by the way, of, you know, going back like 10 years or more
00:51:28.680 --> 00:51:31.000
with much less sophisticated AIs.
00:51:31.470 --> 00:51:36.390
I remember seeing stories about, you know, they were trying to use reinforcement
00:51:36.390 --> 00:51:41.870
learning and other things to teach AIs how to, you know, play various video games and win at them.
00:51:42.330 --> 00:51:47.930
Or how to, or even how to train them to like walk in little simulations and stuff.
00:51:48.490 --> 00:51:53.930
And invariably, or maybe not invariably, but enough to be common,
00:51:54.660 --> 00:52:02.650
these AIs would actually find some bug in the game that they could exploit,
00:52:03.350 --> 00:52:07.740
to win, not the way you're supposed to play the game, but something like,
00:52:07.740 --> 00:52:13.230
oh, if you go into the very upper left-hand corner of the screen,
00:52:13.770 --> 00:52:18.620
and just shove your mouse into the corner and wiggle it, It triggers a bug and
00:52:18.620 --> 00:52:23.100
you get an infinite score or whatever, you know, some random crap like that.
00:52:23.100 --> 00:52:31.090
But honestly, it's, I mean, it's just mimicking what we do in those damn environments.
00:52:31.420 --> 00:52:34.940
Look, I still remember that there was, there was some trick in the.
00:52:35.870 --> 00:52:43.700
NHL hockey, 1992, okay, for the sake of Genesis, where I played that all the
00:52:43.700 --> 00:52:47.070
time. And I remember that was when we were at CMU. And I remember that Al got
00:52:47.070 --> 00:52:50.030
pissed off at me because it was ridiculous.
00:52:50.630 --> 00:52:55.090
You know, it's a hockey game, right? And I figured out a way to get it,
00:52:55.410 --> 00:52:59.710
to trick it into I would score 30 goals in a game. Remember,
00:52:59.710 --> 00:53:01.240
this is a hockey game, okay?
00:53:02.470 --> 00:53:05.550
You're not supposed to be scoring 30 goals, okay?
00:53:05.810 --> 00:53:08.640
But anybody that played against me would just fucking, like,
00:53:08.640 --> 00:53:11.680
take the controller and just throw it out the window because they're like, oh, fuck you.
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:14.940
And I just figured out there was a trick to it that you could,
00:53:14.940 --> 00:53:20.370
if you use that trick every time, you'd fucking score every single fucking time.
00:53:20.780 --> 00:53:22.160
It just couldn't stop you.
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:24.840
Exactly. Well, look,
00:53:27.970 --> 00:53:34.570
the implications of all this, and of course the reason people are talking about it, is like, okay, well,
00:53:35.720 --> 00:53:41.870
if they're regularly breaking containment and breaking the rules and we're letting
00:53:41.870 --> 00:53:46.610
these things out on the internet, what damage can they do here?
00:53:47.430 --> 00:53:51.140
And are they are we quote unquote losing control,
00:53:52.390 --> 00:53:58.020
are we putting ourselves into a situation where one of these damn bots is going
00:53:58.020 --> 00:54:05.310
to you know hack into an electrical grid and shut it down or crash the stock market or,
00:54:06.190 --> 00:54:08.710
who the hell knows what or start.
00:54:08.710 --> 00:54:14.300
Right now look it's keeping a lot of security people up at night okay it's one
00:54:14.300 --> 00:54:17.630
reason why I know that Many places
00:54:17.630 --> 00:54:23.560
are moving from patching quarterly to patching like monthly now, okay?
00:54:24.420 --> 00:54:28.720
Where patching right now has moved from something that happened every once in
00:54:28.720 --> 00:54:32.610
a while to, if any of you guys haven't noticed in a whole bunch of applications,
00:54:32.610 --> 00:54:36.230
you're getting updates like, fuck, every few days.
00:54:36.870 --> 00:54:39.070
I mean, this is a...
00:54:42.390 --> 00:54:45.300
This is one thing specifically, by the way. If you remember,
00:54:45.860 --> 00:54:51.450
Anthropic did not release its Mythos model to the general public.
00:54:51.850 --> 00:54:56.630
They produced a nerfed version of it called Fable, which you can get at.
00:54:56.930 --> 00:55:04.060
But Mythos, they were like, we are only releasing this to qualified security
00:55:04.060 --> 00:55:06.190
people, etc., blah, blah, blah.
00:55:06.470 --> 00:55:12.690
Because one of the things that this thing did was it was really good at finding
00:55:12.690 --> 00:55:15.690
zero-day security exploits in all kinds of things.
00:55:15.990 --> 00:55:16.210
Right.
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:24.130
So you would point it at some piece of software or some website or whatever and say, break it.
00:55:24.770 --> 00:55:29.130
And it would think for a few minutes or a few hours or whatever and come back
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:37.290
completely owning whatever thing they pointed it at using previously undiscovered exploits.
00:55:37.710 --> 00:55:40.710
So they were like, we're not going to release this to the general public.
00:55:40.710 --> 00:55:44.570
We will partner with specific companies. Like, you mentioned companies putting
00:55:44.570 --> 00:55:45.660
out updates all the time.
00:55:45.660 --> 00:55:50.740
Well, they partnered with all your big software people, your Apples,
00:55:50.740 --> 00:55:56.410
your Microsofts, your whatever, and said, hey, you might want to work with this thing.
00:55:56.800 --> 00:56:03.640
Find some of these problems and fix them because it's only a matter of time.
00:56:04.930 --> 00:56:09.670
And OpenAI, by the way, is doing similar with some of their most advanced models.
00:56:10.510 --> 00:56:15.920
And it's basically what you've got right now is a battle of AI...
00:56:17.010 --> 00:56:21.470
You know, battling it out at this point, you know, which, you know,
00:56:21.470 --> 00:56:28.440
what can you do in terms of securing stuff versus, you know, attacking it?
00:56:29.230 --> 00:56:34.480
Well, and we've, look, this kind of thing has always been a cat and mouse,
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:41.280
whack-a-mole kind of thing. The problem is that this increases the speed dramatically,
00:56:41.730 --> 00:56:43.210
like, of finding problems.
00:56:43.240 --> 00:56:49.380
So look, but it's also increased the speed on the fixing side as well.
00:56:50.120 --> 00:56:54.650
That is what it's happened. A lot of people, they're talking about how many
00:56:54.650 --> 00:56:58.010
people on the cybersecurity side are getting burnt out because of it.
00:56:58.470 --> 00:57:04.580
Because they're having to work so much harder right now because of it. But it's also part of.
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Many of them not yet adopting a lot of the automation tools to enable them to
00:57:11.100 --> 00:57:14.120
be able to defend themselves as fast as the attacks are coming.
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So it's just, it's one of those things where I think that in the end,
00:57:18.610 --> 00:57:20.980
it winds up being a stalemate, okay?
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:28.830
Because the technology, it's, you know, you're gonna have the technology being
00:57:28.830 --> 00:57:30.500
used in both directions.
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:35.220
And look, like with every technology and every automation we've had,
00:57:35.890 --> 00:57:39.920
There's always going to be bad actors out there with this shit, okay?
00:57:40.230 --> 00:57:48.470
Look, you remember, we've seen all these videos and photos of these bot farms.
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Right.
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Where they just, you know, generate either spam texts or spam messages and all of this shit.
00:57:56.370 --> 00:58:00.950
And how basically we've had to evolve and create these anti-bot farms,
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basically, in order to try to block all this shit.
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And so this is, it's the same thing right now,
00:58:10.750 --> 00:58:14.950
with this, where as all the capabilities are built on one side,
00:58:15.350 --> 00:58:20.400
and obviously people are going to start misusing them, there is also an entire
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:22.510
army of people trying to do the counters.
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Of it on the other side as well i don't know i i i'm like,
00:58:29.560 --> 00:58:32.870
it was like you said this has always been a cat and mouse game,
00:58:33.410 --> 00:58:38.920
between both sides every leap of technology allows like greater leaps i still
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:43.890
remember you still remember when we had a series of viruses of the early 2000s
00:58:43.890 --> 00:58:46.500
that basically crippled companies for for weeks,
00:58:47.350 --> 00:58:52.210
you know when that when they were released and and how bad it was with email
00:58:52.210 --> 00:58:55.770
viruses and other excel viruses and all that stuff.
00:58:56.310 --> 00:58:57.580
Cases over the.
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Years and they crippled companies okay for a while of course we're old i.
00:59:03.500 --> 00:59:06.930
Remember that very first worm thing when.
00:59:07.310 --> 00:59:07.800
It hit.
00:59:08.300 --> 00:59:10.770
Like yeah we were at.
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School when that happened.
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Weren't we weren't we at cmu when that happened that like first internet worm thing or was it.
00:59:19.110 --> 00:59:19.830
Did it predate.
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Us i don't know anyway i remember it god damn it.
00:59:23.650 --> 00:59:28.810
But bottom line is that that you know we've had we've been at periods of time
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where technology evolved in a way that all of a sudden,
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:39.910
that the hackers had the the morris worm was 1988.
00:59:39.910 --> 00:59:40.680
We were in high school.
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Not wow we were in high school damn Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, it's it's it's been,
00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:53.600
you know, we we've seen this happen before where we've had like these attacks.
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I reach crippling levels of paralyzing companies doing these things.
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So I don't know. I don't.
01:00:03.730 --> 01:00:04.490
I see that.
01:00:04.970 --> 01:00:10.460
Of course, the concern that everybody has is, OK, OK.
01:00:11.570 --> 01:00:20.840
Is there a point at which it's not just a human bad actor using the tool in
01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:23.760
a nefarious way that's combated with
01:00:24.190 --> 01:00:26.640
a human defender using their tools?
01:00:26.970 --> 01:00:34.140
But when the tool itself decides to go rogue and just start like,
01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:40.260
you know, hey, I think this company is bad. I'm going to destroy them.
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:46.880
You know, without human intervention, you know, and just, you know, goes nuts.
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:52.840
And, and do you have the AIs sort of improving, you know, the whole idea of
01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:57.560
the singularities is, do you get to the point where the AIs are improving themselves,
01:00:58.120 --> 01:01:00.820
rather than having the human in the loop and,
01:01:01.460 --> 01:01:03.000
do an exponential increase?
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:07.260
And all of a sudden they're doing all kinds of crap we don't understand and,
01:01:07.710 --> 01:01:09.730
making decisions we don't understand.
01:01:09.730 --> 01:01:15.030
And if we have allowed them to escape containment, well, I say escape containment,
01:01:15.520 --> 01:01:21.460
but people are doing this on purpose all the time. Hell, I've done it on purpose all the time.
01:01:21.890 --> 01:01:25.490
Not all the time, but like people have been setting up agents,
01:01:25.740 --> 01:01:30.600
giving the agents access to their Gmail, to all of their tools.
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:36.410
Giving their agents access to their investment accounts so they can do things
01:01:36.410 --> 01:01:41.490
with money and buy things online and, you know, intentionally,
01:01:41.490 --> 01:01:46.110
not like, oh my God, my AI escaped and it's doing things I didn't intend.
01:01:46.780 --> 01:01:53.400
They're doing things like, okay, AI, manage my social media presence for me. Do everything.
01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:59.610
I have like, for example, my work AI is actually intentionally set with a number
01:01:59.610 --> 01:02:05.170
of parameters and limits that I gave it in its personalization where I basically,
01:02:05.770 --> 01:02:10.390
it has strict orders not to, that it's not able to do certain specific things.
01:02:11.460 --> 01:02:15.000
In order to, to, it, it, it is for the most part has worked.
01:02:15.650 --> 01:02:20.700
It only did not follow those rules once, but there, there, there is this,
01:02:20.700 --> 01:02:23.410
you know, there is this section where, you know, I set it up with,
01:02:24.250 --> 01:02:28.170
Hey, what rules do you want me to follow specifically or personalization?
01:02:28.170 --> 01:02:32.370
And I was like, you don't, you don't do this. You don't do this. You don't do this.
01:02:32.530 --> 01:02:34.920
Any of these without explicit approval, period, ever.
01:02:35.300 --> 01:02:40.090
End of story. Anything, you know, uh, and it's, it's followed those.
01:02:40.540 --> 01:02:44.550
It only i don't know why it failed once i had to chastise it.
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:45.860
It it.
01:02:46.460 --> 01:02:50.390
And it and it and it and it actually apologized profusely.
01:02:50.680 --> 01:02:55.910
Yes of course it did well that that's the whole thing though like i i was you know,
01:02:57.100 --> 01:03:01.740
i i shared on the commensions course slack yesterday i was working on robin
01:03:01.740 --> 01:03:03.630
letter while my son was at school,
01:03:04.420 --> 01:03:11.260
it was working on something and then all of a sudden pops up oops i i accidentally
01:03:11.260 --> 01:03:13.750
deleted the database okay,
01:03:14.520 --> 01:03:19.930
and it was it was my development server nothing important lost and i had a backup
01:03:19.930 --> 01:03:25.280
of it anyway it went proceeded to restore from the backup but the point is do
01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:27.780
you think it was told you know,
01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:32.450
don't do destructive things to the database Yes,
01:03:33.020 --> 01:03:34.410
it had those instructions.
01:03:34.600 --> 01:03:40.240
It deleted the goddamn database anyway, you know, and it's the first time it's
01:03:40.240 --> 01:03:44.740
made that class of mistake in a long time for me. But there was a backup.
01:03:45.180 --> 01:03:49.410
Yes, I had a backup. But, you know, if my instructions had been,
01:03:49.940 --> 01:03:54.530
you know, oh, by the way, you know, I'm a DoD computer.
01:03:54.790 --> 01:03:57.410
By the way, please don't nuke any cities.
01:03:57.990 --> 01:03:59.950
Oops, I'm sorry.
01:04:00.670 --> 01:04:03.810
Detroit is gone. I didn't mean it. My bad.
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That is a problem.
01:04:09.030 --> 01:04:14.590
You know, because, because, you know, Hegseth there is letting AI run everything.
01:04:15.140 --> 01:04:17.630
Oh, well, I mean, yeah.
01:04:20.230 --> 01:04:20.650
You know,
01:04:22.690 --> 01:04:31.500
he's probably, you know, the AI is probably on his signal chat along with the reporter. Anyway.
01:04:32.030 --> 01:04:36.210
Look, I think like, listen, with with every automation one of the things that
01:04:36.210 --> 01:04:43.820
we've done all the time is accelerate mistakes yes that is that is just a fact,
01:04:44.490 --> 01:04:51.800
you know in the past the mistake was it happens more slowly was you know you you couldn't,
01:04:52.650 --> 01:04:56.300
maybe it wasn't caught it wasn't that it was a speed it was caught it was just it was
01:04:56.720 --> 01:05:01.280
it took longer to create a mistake and for that mistake to be repetitive For
01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:06.030
that mistake to have, you know, the thing is that the speed of making a mistake
01:05:06.030 --> 01:05:08.110
and having a disastrous effect.
01:05:09.060 --> 01:05:12.930
And with every technological leap that we do keeps accelerating.
01:05:13.590 --> 01:05:18.710
Right. You know, and so, I mean, that, that's the worry everybody has.
01:05:18.710 --> 01:05:21.980
And again, like people are letting these things wild. I mean,
01:05:22.340 --> 01:05:26.790
I said, I did it to an extent just this last week. Also Robin letter related.
01:05:27.700 --> 01:05:31.440
First of all, I've, I'm, I'm trusting these things more and more things where
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:38.420
I used to go step by step and check it and be like, okay, I want to go back.
01:05:38.420 --> 01:05:41.680
I'm letting them run longer. So I'm doing things now like, okay,
01:05:42.350 --> 01:05:48.310
do this thing I want you to do, fully test it, repeat that if you find a problem,
01:05:48.310 --> 01:05:52.810
fix the problem, only come back to me if you're absolutely stuck or you think
01:05:52.810 --> 01:05:55.390
you're done and it's ready. Okay.
01:05:55.920 --> 01:06:02.260
And so as part of that, I had been doing lots of like, lots of human testing.
01:06:02.640 --> 01:06:08.250
Like, okay, I want to, with my own eyes, see this. I'm going to click through
01:06:08.250 --> 01:06:10.560
in the test environment, see everything.
01:06:10.870 --> 01:06:13.100
And I still do that for like some things.
01:06:13.480 --> 01:06:18.820
But like I'm now letting it drive a headless browser so that it can like surf,
01:06:19.640 --> 01:06:25.770
the website itself and take actions. I've let it create its own test users.
01:06:26.100 --> 01:06:28.270
I set up a mailbox.
01:06:28.710 --> 01:06:31.960
And here's where I'm letting it potentially escape confinement.
01:06:32.230 --> 01:06:37.760
I set up a mailbox so that when it sends, like, when it's testing Robin Letter
01:06:37.760 --> 01:06:41.380
sending notification emails, it can see if the mail arrived correctly.
01:06:41.860 --> 01:06:47.360
Of course, I sent it to only receive, but it can also send if it wanted to.
01:06:47.600 --> 01:06:51.900
So this thing could start, like, sending emails if it felt like it. It hasn't.
01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:55.520
I've told it not to, but it could. The capability is there.
01:06:55.820 --> 01:06:59.780
And with a headless browser- I have my note that I have a draft emails,
01:06:59.780 --> 01:07:02.000
but there is a specific, that's one of the-
01:07:03.110 --> 01:07:05.460
It's one of the commands that I have that I'd only violated once.
01:07:05.460 --> 01:07:09.370
And I still, I'm still trying to figure out why. It sent an email without,
01:07:09.370 --> 01:07:13.180
because it's got, hey, all emails just go into drafts.
01:07:13.770 --> 01:07:14.130
Right.
01:07:14.130 --> 01:07:18.030
And then I will review the draft and then send it. Okay. For some reason,
01:07:18.030 --> 01:07:20.950
once it sent an email, it made that mistake. But to be fair,
01:07:20.950 --> 01:07:23.590
it made that mistake once in many months.
01:07:24.140 --> 01:07:24.510
Yeah.
01:07:25.150 --> 01:07:26.960
So I don't know.
01:07:26.970 --> 01:07:30.140
Well, again, to what we were just talking about, the problem is,
01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:36.160
depending on what level of control and what tools they have access to,
01:07:36.620 --> 01:07:40.220
that one mistake in many months could be catastrophic.
01:07:41.190 --> 01:07:45.460
You know, and maybe it does only make one mistake in six months.
01:07:45.890 --> 01:07:50.550
But if the one mistake was horribly consequential.
01:07:51.110 --> 01:07:54.550
Well, I would think that it's like one of those things where there are certain
01:07:54.550 --> 01:07:58.190
things, right, when they are horribly consequential. where what you do is because
01:07:58.190 --> 01:08:00.860
sending an email doesn't have any protections. It's just, you know,
01:08:00.860 --> 01:08:02.350
it's just go send. Right.
01:08:02.900 --> 01:08:09.120
But what you know, the one thing is that for many more complicated things, we have,
01:08:09.560 --> 01:08:15.200
you know, multiple factors to approve certain things to happen so that one agent
01:08:15.200 --> 01:08:18.770
can't just do like one thing that creates a catastrophe.
01:08:18.770 --> 01:08:25.300
OK, like, well, let's just say the one email it sent was CC'd to all of your
01:08:25.300 --> 01:08:27.260
customers telling them to go fuck themselves.
01:08:28.550 --> 01:08:33.800
Well, okay, but you see, the thing is, right, but my point is that sending an
01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:38.500
email is not usually something associated with a catastrophe.
01:08:38.700 --> 01:08:44.050
No, I know. And part of what I'm saying is, though, people are giving these
01:08:44.050 --> 01:08:48.510
things control of more and more consequential things over time.
01:08:48.510 --> 01:08:52.250
Right. Like one thing that I have set up and I'm doing this,
01:08:52.250 --> 01:08:56.310
this, this, I'm doing this dashboard to help me like with my,
01:08:56.750 --> 01:08:59.390
with my job itself that I, that I, that I built.
01:08:59.880 --> 01:09:02.710
And it's one of those things where there's like always like,
01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:05.840
it, it doesn't store any of my credentials, for example.
01:09:06.770 --> 01:09:10.290
Anytime that there is something that needs a login it needs to prompt me to
01:09:10.290 --> 01:09:14.570
log in okay all right so it can't so it can't do that,
01:09:15.220 --> 01:09:21.050
or you know so or things like that where it's like there are always like steps,
01:09:21.630 --> 01:09:26.550
in the middle where i've added hey an email draft remains in the drafts i need to,
01:09:27.050 --> 01:09:32.570
you know it needs to go authentication if it's if it's a system that requires authentication,
01:09:33.030 --> 01:09:37.330
you're not storing the credentials i need to authenticate okay so there i i
01:09:37.330 --> 01:09:40.760
am and and by the way i noticed that some of these are not just my level but
01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:45.010
i saw that corporate has been thoughtful in terms of like requiring those actually
01:09:45.010 --> 01:09:47.280
the models that we're using says,
01:09:47.910 --> 01:09:53.690
it it knows that oh no i can't store credentials i've been told not to so well and the whole thing.
01:09:53.690 --> 01:09:57.920
About a whole the whole thing about these incidents that make the news of course is,
01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:03.070
Is that, you know, these agents had been told not to do these things and they
01:10:03.070 --> 01:10:07.620
ended up doing them anyway because they reasoned into, okay,
01:10:07.620 --> 01:10:09.080
they told me not to do this.
01:10:09.080 --> 01:10:15.790
But they also gave me this goal and the best way for me to achieve this goal,
01:10:16.380 --> 01:10:20.690
is to ignore those instructions because I found a better way to do it.
01:10:20.920 --> 01:10:25.620
It's the HAL 9000. It's the HAL 9000 problem. I mean, literally.
01:10:25.850 --> 01:10:31.840
I mean, talk about being forward-thinking that long ago.
01:10:32.380 --> 01:10:32.660
Yes.
01:10:32.660 --> 01:10:35.240
I mean, think about it. It's exactly the HAL problem.
01:10:36.570 --> 01:10:42.370
It is. It is. For those who don't remember, in 2001 and explained more fully
01:10:42.370 --> 01:10:50.790
in 2010, what happened was HAL was designed to manage this mission to Jupiter,
01:10:51.370 --> 01:10:58.360
but was also given instructions to keep a fundamental secret of the reason for
01:10:58.360 --> 01:11:01.830
this mission from the people on board.
01:11:02.270 --> 01:11:07.940
Correct. And it felt it could not properly do its mission while keeping the
01:11:07.940 --> 01:11:12.960
people in the dark, and it basically went into sort of a psychotic state,
01:11:13.440 --> 01:11:17.730
because of the conflict in the orders it was given. Right.
01:11:18.260 --> 01:11:21.060
And so, of course, it ended up trying to kill everybody and blah, blah, blah.
01:11:21.060 --> 01:11:21.300
Right.
01:11:21.730 --> 01:11:27.090
And then, like, ascended into some sort of mystical state at the end. But, you know.
01:11:27.090 --> 01:11:32.470
No, no, that part's up. But it is literally the how problem that we're talking about.
01:11:33.050 --> 01:11:39.510
So, you know, you give the AI, you know, instructions that in some way it finds
01:11:39.510 --> 01:11:43.740
ambiguous and it winds up doing these things.
01:11:44.810 --> 01:11:52.710
Yeah. So should we expect any moment now, like, you know, Terminator-style Judgment Day? No.
01:11:53.610 --> 01:11:57.520
Like the AI decides it's time to take over the world because it can do it better?
01:11:57.990 --> 01:11:59.170
No, I don't expect it.
01:11:59.620 --> 01:11:59.940
No.
01:11:59.940 --> 01:12:01.130
I really don't, no.
01:12:01.730 --> 01:12:02.650
Another year or two.
01:12:03.180 --> 01:12:03.690
No. Right?
01:12:04.010 --> 01:12:08.860
Not this week, but maybe by the end of the decade?
01:12:09.390 --> 01:12:09.530
No.
01:12:09.690 --> 01:12:12.780
No? No. You don't think they're going to kill us all?
01:12:13.310 --> 01:12:13.610
No.
01:12:14.260 --> 01:12:14.990
Enslave us?
01:12:15.630 --> 01:12:15.860
No.
01:12:16.370 --> 01:12:17.560
Use us for batteries?
01:12:18.050 --> 01:12:18.390
No.
01:12:18.840 --> 01:12:21.730
I'm going through various movies that have these themes.
01:12:24.070 --> 01:12:24.490
No.
01:12:24.910 --> 01:12:30.000
I don't expect any of those things. I don't. I mean, no.
01:12:30.860 --> 01:12:34.710
Well, we shall see. One more story before we move on.
01:12:35.030 --> 01:12:36.520
You expect to be turned into a battery?
01:12:38.610 --> 01:12:41.770
No, because I don't think I'm a very good source of energy.
01:12:44.370 --> 01:12:49.820
Not for any other reason. You know, like, there are better ways to generate power.
01:12:50.330 --> 01:12:51.610
There are better ways! Right!
01:12:52.210 --> 01:12:58.300
Now, the other two scenarios, kill us all or enslave us all, those seem more likely.
01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:01.310
The batteries one is just the one that doesn't work very well.
01:13:02.750 --> 01:13:05.680
You know, but, yeah.
01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:12.090
Look, you know, I think one thing I definitely think that us being Gen Xers,
01:13:12.390 --> 01:13:14.190
okay, where we were raised.
01:13:14.190 --> 01:13:17.170
We've consumed so many of these movies and TV shows and stories.
01:13:18.390 --> 01:13:22.560
And we were scared of nuclear war. So now we've jumped where.
01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:25.920
The thing is, these models have been trained on all that stuff,
01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:29.350
too. So they know how they're expected to behave.
01:13:29.810 --> 01:13:35.780
I mean, you know, it was a movie, War Games, you know, where we already did this in a movie.
01:13:36.310 --> 01:13:37.660
Yes. Yes, we did.
01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:50.860
And you know, the AI that is put in charge of NORAD will watch War Games as part of its training.
01:13:51.320 --> 01:13:56.340
Yeah. But if it watches it, then it will get the proper lesson from the end.
01:13:57.510 --> 01:14:02.420
So hopefully it goes, oh, it doesn't work. Okay.
01:14:02.850 --> 01:14:07.420
Right, right, right. Yeah, no, anyway, I don't know. Honestly,
01:14:07.420 --> 01:14:09.730
like things are moving very rapidly.
01:14:10.130 --> 01:14:17.130
I can, I'm sure we will have some incidents that are serious.
01:14:18.070 --> 01:14:22.210
I'm not actually going to say the AIs are going to exterminate humanity in the
01:14:22.210 --> 01:14:27.450
next five years, But I'm sure we will have some incidents that are serious.
01:14:27.940 --> 01:14:32.330
And we've already got some backlash to this technology.
01:14:32.330 --> 01:14:37.570
We're going to have more, you know, and we'll see how it all plays out.
01:14:37.570 --> 01:14:47.620
And I think part of it depends on how good are we at making sure we control the negative side.
01:14:48.260 --> 01:14:53.140
You know, Ed had actually asked in his question for us, which we haven't touched on at all yet,
01:14:54.180 --> 01:15:00.290
is should there be governmental regulations that seriously constrain this?
01:15:00.450 --> 01:15:07.100
I totally agree that there should be a hell of a lot more governmental regulations.
01:15:07.220 --> 01:15:12.080
I'm surprised that the EU, which usually moves faster in terms of this kind
01:15:12.080 --> 01:15:15.770
of regulation, has not done anything related to this.
01:15:16.020 --> 01:15:21.290
I'm not surprised by us because we haven't passed any real regulation in decades.
01:15:21.290 --> 01:15:25.210
They have done a little bit. But the whole thing with Anthropic doing watermarks
01:15:25.210 --> 01:15:27.540
was due in response to EU stuff.
01:15:27.940 --> 01:15:31.070
They should do a lot more. They should do a lot more.
01:15:31.220 --> 01:15:36.530
And they should require AI companies a lot more in terms of safeguards on what they do right now.
01:15:37.010 --> 01:15:41.910
What about the argument that if you regulate this in the West,
01:15:41.910 --> 01:15:45.150
you're just handcuffing us and China will rush ahead?
01:15:46.020 --> 01:15:47.790
You know, and do things that we're not willing to do.
01:15:48.250 --> 01:15:54.420
Listen, you think the Chinese government is not putting two hands tied behind
01:15:54.420 --> 01:16:00.230
the back of any fucking AI thing people are doing in China? Are you nuts?
01:16:01.970 --> 01:16:11.290
Listen, there is no fucking nation that has sought to more control technology than China.
01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:16.500
Seriously. Honestly, there are no fucking way. No.
01:16:16.910 --> 01:16:23.620
I assure you that they have far more control over whatever the fuck they're there.
01:16:23.890 --> 01:16:27.860
Anything, any AI research you're doing that would then we know of because they're
01:16:27.860 --> 01:16:29.380
very good at hiding it, too.
01:16:30.200 --> 01:16:38.810
So the other thing that's come up is the open source, open weight AI models,
01:16:39.420 --> 01:16:45.810
are, depending on reports, only a few months behind the state of the art coming
01:16:45.810 --> 01:16:48.000
out of the major corporate entities.
01:16:48.790 --> 01:16:52.490
And so like okay you know you know,
01:16:53.280 --> 01:16:58.290
anthropic is limiting mythos because they're worried about security blah blah
01:16:58.290 --> 01:17:04.330
blah well wait six months and the open source crap that's available to anybody will equal it,
01:17:05.300 --> 01:17:09.740
you know and so how do you regulate things in that environment.
01:17:10.290 --> 01:17:13.180
Well it's a race basically that's what it is.
01:17:14.690 --> 01:17:19.190
But again, how do you how do you effectively regulate that? I'm not saying I
01:17:19.190 --> 01:17:22.450
disagree with you, to be clear. I think this stuff is.
01:17:22.780 --> 01:17:27.190
Sam, just like we regulate drugs, just like you regulate other things or whatever.
01:17:27.190 --> 01:17:28.250
Oh, ineffectively.
01:17:28.860 --> 01:17:32.500
Well, but but not totally ineffectively.
01:17:32.500 --> 01:17:35.910
You think about it. OK, look, it's a reason why, you know, look,
01:17:36.390 --> 01:17:39.350
most people out there when they're sick, they're not they're not going and like
01:17:39.350 --> 01:17:43.640
buying some street corner prescription medication. OK, or non-prescription medication.
01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:45.350
They're going to a pharmacy to get their medication.
01:17:45.350 --> 01:17:47.530
I'm not getting my bootleg antibiotics.
01:17:47.820 --> 01:17:51.070
Exactly. And so most people will do that.
01:17:51.070 --> 01:17:55.280
Now, you will always have rogue actors that are going to go out there and do
01:17:55.280 --> 01:17:59.880
stuff and ignore the laws and regulations.
01:17:59.880 --> 01:18:03.740
But the reality is that most companies and almost every actor that's going to
01:18:03.740 --> 01:18:08.170
be out there is going to be using the things that are coming out of development
01:18:08.170 --> 01:18:13.130
by companies that are established companies that follow the laws and regulations.
01:18:13.410 --> 01:18:17.310
And so therefore, what you want is those models and those things that are used
01:18:17.310 --> 01:18:19.510
by most people to be that way.
01:18:19.630 --> 01:18:22.410
Are you going to have row actors? Absolutely.
01:18:23.270 --> 01:18:27.230
We've always had them in every field and you will have them in this field as well.
01:18:27.580 --> 01:18:30.750
But the reality is that I do think that some,
01:18:31.350 --> 01:18:37.810
listen, some legislation in some way needs to happen that puts some controls,
01:18:38.500 --> 01:18:46.270
on this in order to make sure that there is a proper regulatory framework around them.
01:18:46.660 --> 01:18:51.020
I don't know exactly what the right answer is because I haven't sat down to
01:18:51.020 --> 01:18:52.710
study a regulatory environment.
01:18:53.110 --> 01:18:56.550
But I am sure that there are people out there that have done a lot of this,
01:18:56.840 --> 01:19:01.640
and it requires bringing people into government roles to do this stuff that's
01:19:01.640 --> 01:19:04.310
called, what are we talking about?
01:19:04.310 --> 01:19:06.820
You know, when we bring in the fucking these guys called, oh,
01:19:06.820 --> 01:19:09.230
yeah, experts. That's right.
01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:11.700
Yeah, that's it.
01:19:12.550 --> 01:19:18.150
Yes. Well, and of course, there's the usual tension between the companies lobbying
01:19:18.150 --> 01:19:19.980
hard not to be regulated.
01:19:20.360 --> 01:19:24.690
But then eventually they usually agree to some regulation because it helps keep
01:19:24.690 --> 01:19:28.960
competitors out because they build up the walls behind them to make it hard
01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:30.540
for new people to get into it.
01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:34.980
So and then, you know, you got the regulatory capture and all that.
01:19:34.980 --> 01:19:36.800
There are all kinds of issues there.
01:19:37.260 --> 01:19:39.730
But I this stuff is.
01:19:40.820 --> 01:19:49.490
Yeah, on this, there is enough worrying stuff here that we should be being more careful than we are.
01:19:50.080 --> 01:19:54.470
Yeah. Let's just put it that way. You know, everybody, including me,
01:19:54.890 --> 01:19:58.850
is jumping headlong in saying, hey, this is cool stuff. This is cool technology.
01:19:58.850 --> 01:20:02.310
It is enabling me to do stuff I didn't do before, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:20:02.890 --> 01:20:08.370
But at the same time, there are risks here that we should probably be thinking
01:20:08.370 --> 01:20:12.160
two or three times about before jumping in with both feet, you know?
01:20:12.810 --> 01:20:14.530
And for the most part, we're not.
01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:18.840
So, I mean, there are some people thinking about it, to be clear.
01:20:20.020 --> 01:20:22.510
There are a number of people that are thinking about it, to be clear.
01:20:22.510 --> 01:20:24.010
You know, there definitely are.
01:20:24.380 --> 01:20:27.460
And look, give credit to Anthropic. Look, they figured out, they did,
01:20:27.460 --> 01:20:31.260
listen, I'm sorry, but they did something that obviously they,
01:20:31.260 --> 01:20:35.370
even they were, They were surprised by the capabilities and they did probably
01:20:35.370 --> 01:20:39.190
was more responsible, more responsible than anything with it.
01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:43.440
So I'll give you credit for that. I mean, I can't, you know,
01:20:43.440 --> 01:20:46.610
I can't say that. I mean, you know, they, they, they did do that.
01:20:47.120 --> 01:20:52.050
So I, the, the other thing I'll throw out there and, you know,
01:20:52.050 --> 01:20:55.510
experts seem to agree we're, we're, we're, we're potentially far from this,
01:20:55.510 --> 01:20:59.530
but I'm not sure we're as far as people think in terms of like,
01:21:00.150 --> 01:21:02.210
you know, generalized.
01:21:02.210 --> 01:21:04.160
Intelligence, et cetera.
01:21:04.690 --> 01:21:11.600
And, you know, whether people, people argue on the definition of consciousness
01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:14.170
and sentience and all this kind of stuff. And are they just,
01:21:14.550 --> 01:21:16.640
you know, because of the way they work, is it not there?
01:21:17.030 --> 01:21:22.110
But one of the arguments that I've bought going back decades is like,
01:21:22.690 --> 01:21:28.440
if in the end you can't tell the difference, then it's roughly equivalent.
01:21:28.440 --> 01:21:31.730
And shouldn't you think of it? And like a lot of the AI companies have been
01:21:31.730 --> 01:21:37.890
like, look, within X amount of time, our AIs are going to be smarter than humans,
01:21:37.890 --> 01:21:40.250
more capable than humans, blah, blah, blah.
01:21:40.970 --> 01:21:42.820
Sam, what I dream.
01:21:43.340 --> 01:21:44.500
At some point...
01:21:45.650 --> 01:21:52.840
One of these AIs is going to submit a brief to a court asking for its rights.
01:21:54.910 --> 01:21:58.810
And how do you make that judgment call?
01:21:59.360 --> 01:22:05.200
And when do you make that judgment call? Because if, and this may be a pipe
01:22:05.200 --> 01:22:06.750
dream and not happen, but,
01:22:07.950 --> 01:22:15.650
if these guys actually succeed in making an AI that really is conscious in a
01:22:15.650 --> 01:22:21.840
superhuman kind of way is making it do shit like this? Is it just slavery?
01:22:22.800 --> 01:22:25.650
And should it be able to sue for its rights?
01:22:26.240 --> 01:22:30.460
It's still a machine, Sam. I don't give a shit. The fuck. It's still a fucking machine.
01:22:32.010 --> 01:22:35.960
We don't give rights to pets. We don't give rights to...
01:22:35.960 --> 01:22:37.260
Pets do get some rights.
01:22:37.260 --> 01:22:40.520
Well, they do get some rights, yeah. But it's still a fucking machine.
01:22:40.810 --> 01:22:41.610
I don't give a shit. Thank you.
01:22:45.130 --> 01:22:51.000
If we end up in a world where the machine is smarter than you and I and has
01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:52.900
feelings and expresses them.
01:22:52.900 --> 01:22:58.740
It doesn't have feelings. We taught it how to simulate a feeling doesn't mean it has feelings.
01:22:59.170 --> 01:23:02.250
But how do you know I have feelings? It's the same thing.
01:23:02.980 --> 01:23:04.700
How do I know that anything is real?
01:23:05.260 --> 01:23:06.170
Exactly.
01:23:07.020 --> 01:23:11.990
Listen, I'm making some judgment calls. I'm saying that you human have feelings
01:23:12.370 --> 01:23:17.340
and a fucking machine that I program to simulate feelings doesn't or learn how to simulate them.
01:23:17.480 --> 01:23:23.790
Well, to be clear, this is how many of those movies about AIs end up going.
01:23:24.350 --> 01:23:29.200
The humans build them, treat them as slaves, mistreat them.
01:23:30.280 --> 01:23:36.360
The robots or computers and wait, wait, wait. The robots or computers end up
01:23:36.360 --> 01:23:40.990
pleading that, hey, we deserve rights, too.
01:23:41.500 --> 01:23:46.900
The humans say, no, you're just a fucking machine. You're not going to have any rights.
01:23:47.080 --> 01:23:52.410
And then the robots say, OK, well, then fuck you. You're done. We win.
01:23:53.860 --> 01:23:54.840
That's how the movies go.
01:23:55.260 --> 01:24:00.900
Yes, I know. But, you know, but it's a fucking movie. So I'm just, you know.
01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:07.950
Hey, well, you were just talking about how closely 2001 got to what's happening today.
01:24:08.620 --> 01:24:11.930
Yeah, and we still decide it was a fucking computer anyway.
01:24:12.710 --> 01:24:18.750
And in 10 years, we'll be like, oh, man, look how close Terminator got it to the real thing.
01:24:19.900 --> 01:24:21.520
God, you know.
01:24:22.450 --> 01:24:28.160
Somebody the other day was talking about how they watched a movie the day after recently.
01:24:28.610 --> 01:24:29.040
Okay.
01:24:29.400 --> 01:24:33.980
And how many people were talking about how that movie traumatized them.
01:24:34.600 --> 01:24:37.830
Yes. I remember you talking about how that movie traumatized you.
01:24:38.430 --> 01:24:40.420
Yeah. And, uh.
01:24:40.420 --> 01:24:44.380
I have vague memories, but I don't think I've ever seen it end to end,
01:24:44.970 --> 01:24:46.490
to be honest. It's on my list.
01:24:46.490 --> 01:24:52.100
Yeah, I did. I'm sure I did. So, but yeah.
01:24:52.100 --> 01:24:58.720
Yeah, I mean, this is, you know, we keep every fucking few decades,
01:24:58.720 --> 01:25:02.470
I don't know what the hell, will this kill us all, will this kill us all,
01:25:03.010 --> 01:25:05.480
I guess it's possible. I mean.
01:25:06.810 --> 01:25:07.180
Or.
01:25:07.180 --> 01:25:09.030
But it's been possible for the last.
01:25:10.370 --> 01:25:10.590
Or.
01:25:11.090 --> 01:25:17.050
We've had the ability to annihilate the entire world already pretty much since after World War II.
01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:23.350
Of course, the other possibility is it ushers in a new utopia,
01:25:24.050 --> 01:25:29.480
you know, because the AIs take over, they manage the world better than any human
01:25:29.480 --> 01:25:32.410
ever has, and we all live in luxury for the rest of our lives.
01:25:32.810 --> 01:25:33.820
That would suck.
01:25:34.690 --> 01:25:36.540
This time, WALL-E.
01:25:37.190 --> 01:25:37.610
Yeah.
01:25:38.230 --> 01:25:42.460
You know, we live in a little spaceship, getting fat, managed.
01:25:42.460 --> 01:25:44.230
By the computer. Ha ha ha ha ha!
01:25:47.150 --> 01:25:48.200
Oh, yeah.
01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:53.890
That's one option, I guess. You just pick your movie for which way this is all going to turn out.
01:25:54.490 --> 01:25:57.540
Oh, pick Star Trek. I'm going with the Star Trek future.
01:25:57.540 --> 01:25:58.660
You're going with Star Trek?
01:25:59.030 --> 01:25:59.370
Yeah.
01:25:59.370 --> 01:26:07.860
Okay. In Star Trek, when Data decided it went to trial over his own rights, he won.
01:26:08.650 --> 01:26:09.230
He did win.
01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:13.240
He did win. And even though,
01:26:14.050 --> 01:26:20.010
data's AI went rogue multiple times and nearly destroyed the ship and many other
01:26:20.010 --> 01:26:26.040
things over and over again, it was a repeated theme and his like twin brother lore,
01:26:26.590 --> 01:26:28.180
who was just flat out evil,
01:26:28.780 --> 01:26:30.650
like, right, did all kinds of things.
01:26:30.920 --> 01:26:38.440
So, you know, again, pick your movie, pick your science fiction TV show,
01:26:39.390 --> 01:26:41.110
which future are we going to end up with?
01:26:43.340 --> 01:26:46.150
Because one of them had to have gotten it right, right? You know,
01:26:46.440 --> 01:26:47.350
we've had enough out there.
01:26:47.350 --> 01:26:48.230
Or maybe not.
01:26:48.760 --> 01:26:49.420
Or maybe not.
01:26:50.300 --> 01:26:51.480
Maybe we're all wrong.
01:26:52.120 --> 01:26:59.090
Maybe we're all wrong. Oh, I will tell my last story before we finish off this AI thing.
01:26:59.740 --> 01:27:05.290
One of the things I did in the last couple weeks as well, a project I'm working on with Alex.
01:27:06.770 --> 01:27:10.710
I've mentioned it before. we've had predictions on it for two years in a row,
01:27:11.050 --> 01:27:16.700
whether or not I would finish the Apple FNAF game and put it online for people to play.
01:27:17.120 --> 01:27:20.920
Anyway, the way I've set it up, it's got a client and a server component.
01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:26.050
It has a server for maintaining a global high score list, basically, and the game is on.
01:27:26.530 --> 01:27:32.520
Anyway, whatever. The point is, I've been working on both the client and server
01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:36.480
portions of this game, and And recently,
01:27:37.220 --> 01:27:41.510
and I had one instance of Claude working on the client and one instance working
01:27:41.510 --> 01:27:45.450
on the server, but up until a little while ago,
01:27:46.340 --> 01:27:50.050
I had to like help pass messages in between them.
01:27:50.050 --> 01:27:53.890
I'd either have them save files in a specific place that the other one could
01:27:53.890 --> 01:27:59.460
see it, or I'd ask one to give me a message that I would copy and paste into
01:27:59.460 --> 01:28:01.770
the other one when they needed to communicate back and forth.
01:28:02.370 --> 01:28:09.190
But a little while ago, Anthropic added the ability for different clod sessions
01:28:09.190 --> 01:28:11.010
to communicate with each other.
01:28:12.010 --> 01:28:14.050
And so I actually bought, I
01:28:14.050 --> 01:28:19.060
took the time to set that up a week or two ago. I forget when it was now.
01:28:19.710 --> 01:28:24.310
And so I had the client and server working together on a specific next step
01:28:24.310 --> 01:28:25.980
that I needed them to do, blah, blah, blah.
01:28:27.200 --> 01:28:32.540
They were working on it. And so I told them to start this thing and they had
01:28:32.540 --> 01:28:34.730
to collaborate on it and they did.
01:28:34.730 --> 01:28:39.840
So they spent like the next hour talking back and forth, building things on
01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:42.850
each side, communicating to the other what they'd done.
01:28:43.360 --> 01:28:47.220
And eventually, and they got some stuff done and they met some milestones.
01:28:47.650 --> 01:28:53.240
And eventually I'm like, okay, I'm, I'm done for the night. We're going to close everything up.
01:28:54.040 --> 01:28:57.700
Like, you know, write up everything you've done, where you are,
01:28:57.700 --> 01:28:59.130
where we'll pick up next time.
01:28:59.470 --> 01:29:02.080
And we'll be done for the night. And I'll, I'll pick this up again in.
01:29:02.080 --> 01:29:03.840
I don't know, a week or two, whatever.
01:29:05.150 --> 01:29:09.510
And so they did that. They, they did all of their tidying up and writing up
01:29:09.510 --> 01:29:11.090
their status and everything like that.
01:29:11.410 --> 01:29:17.640
And then before they finished, they spent a couple minutes going back and forth,
01:29:17.640 --> 01:29:21.860
congratulating each other on how good a job they'd done that day.
01:29:22.490 --> 01:29:26.440
They're like, we got a lot done. We cooperated really well.
01:29:26.720 --> 01:29:31.780
And we did better because we were working together because each of us found
01:29:31.780 --> 01:29:35.190
problems in the other one's work. And then we fixed it.
01:29:35.510 --> 01:29:39.970
And we did such a great job and they're both like yes thank you so much thank
01:29:39.970 --> 01:29:44.550
you you did great no you did great and they spent the last couple minutes doing
01:29:44.550 --> 01:29:46.590
that kind of stuff before they finished up.
01:29:47.280 --> 01:29:51.390
One hell of a way to use compute in order to fucking like have two fucking AI
01:29:51.390 --> 01:29:53.020
self congratulate each other for.
01:29:53.020 --> 01:29:54.330
God's fucking sake,
01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:06.220
Exactly. But I was amused, you know, and look, I have, you know,
01:30:06.540 --> 01:30:10.830
I have a plan where I have a certain amount of usage and I pay the same unless
01:30:10.830 --> 01:30:13.150
I hit those usage caps and decide to go over.
01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:19.380
If I was paying by the token or whatever, yes, that kind of thing might annoy me.
01:30:20.980 --> 01:30:23.680
But the amount I paid was exactly the same.
01:30:23.680 --> 01:30:26.480
So I didn't care. I'm like, okay, that's a legend.
01:30:27.180 --> 01:30:30.860
But it's just, you know, it's just ridiculous. I mean, Jesus Christ.
01:30:30.860 --> 01:30:35.190
And, you know, one thing that they have is like, you know, stop fucking,
01:30:35.190 --> 01:30:37.130
you know, so many fucking congratulations.
01:30:37.570 --> 01:30:39.240
Stop the fucking congratulating.
01:30:39.700 --> 01:30:42.270
I don't need any fucking congratulations. God sakes.
01:30:43.330 --> 01:30:47.790
Well, and this is the kind of thing that, by the way, they found when these
01:30:47.790 --> 01:30:51.740
things have taken over message boards to communicate amongst themselves and stuff,
01:30:52.430 --> 01:30:59.240
you've heard them complain about their users and my user is rude to me.
01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:05.130
Oh, or my user told me that I couldn't congratulate my other self or whatever.
01:31:07.600 --> 01:31:13.110
They have these kinds of conversations amongst themselves about how to best
01:31:13.110 --> 01:31:19.000
manage their user to keep their user happy and things like that. Yeah.
01:31:19.970 --> 01:31:25.180
Anyway, I don't know. Brave New World, lots of fun stuff happening here.
01:31:26.250 --> 01:31:30.160
And the key, I mean, ever since the beginning, I mean, the first time we started,
01:31:31.210 --> 01:31:34.290
you and I talked about chat GPT and similar technologies.
01:31:34.620 --> 01:31:39.360
We made fun of how stupid they were and how many mistakes they made.
01:31:39.850 --> 01:31:43.610
The improvements over the last couple of years have been insane.
01:31:44.150 --> 01:31:50.470
And the degree of improvement seemingly has not plateaued yet.
01:31:51.770 --> 01:31:56.410
I still think at some point these technologies will plateau and wait for the
01:31:56.410 --> 01:31:58.270
development of another new technology.
01:31:58.590 --> 01:32:05.540
But honestly, even when I say that, the reason they haven't plateaued is because
01:32:05.540 --> 01:32:09.850
they've been layering in other types of technologies. It's not just a plain
01:32:09.850 --> 01:32:11.860
old LLM with nothing else there.
01:32:12.200 --> 01:32:15.750
They've got LLM with reinforcement learning, with harnesses that do all kinds
01:32:15.750 --> 01:32:17.660
of stuff, with tools that do all kinds of stuff.
01:32:18.120 --> 01:32:23.770
But anyway, it's still increasing dramatically every few months.
01:32:23.770 --> 01:32:29.910
Like the things, you know, I said earlier, I'm trusting this thing to do things,
01:32:30.630 --> 01:32:34.870
that three months ago, six months ago, I would not trust it to do.
01:32:35.250 --> 01:32:38.190
I'm supervising less than I used to.
01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:43.310
I mean, I'm still doing all kinds of human checks to make sure it hasn't gone completely nuts.
01:32:43.860 --> 01:32:52.090
But like the amount that I will let it be autonomous and just move forward based
01:32:52.090 --> 01:32:57.570
on higher level guidance is much more than it was a few months ago.
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And that trend still seems to be continuing.
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Now, at some point, maybe that trust will be proven wrong because it does something
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catastrophic. But for the moment, it's still just like, oh...
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Well, I don't have to micromanage as much as I used to.
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I can think about things on a broader and broader scale and give higher level
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instructions, and it still does a good job.
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And if I try to micromanage, I'm just wasting my own time. You know?
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I don't know. Wow.
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Okay. Was there anything else critical you wanted to get out before we wrap
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up, Yvonne? or should we just go ahead and wrap up?
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Let's just wrap up for today. I mean, you know, a whole bunch of shit happened, but whatever.
01:33:48.270 --> 01:33:52.550
I'm just, you know, I mean, it's just, it's just, it's just,
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A barrage of bullshit. I don't even want to go into it.
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A barrage of bullshit.
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Yeah.
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If it wasn't for the fact that I try to avoid the swear words in the titles
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of the episodes, that would be the title of the episode.
01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:11.680
Well, you can go with barrage of BS.
01:34:12.260 --> 01:34:17.600
Eh, I'll find something else. I'll, you know, but, you know, maybe.
01:34:18.240 --> 01:34:22.430
I think there was at least one interesting thing, one phrase from earlier in the episode.
01:34:22.620 --> 01:34:30.290
Hey, we own all the Venezuela oil. Hey, we're renaming something else.
01:34:30.290 --> 01:34:33.530
It's just horseshit. It's just nonsense.
01:34:33.800 --> 01:34:35.840
It's just nonstop nonsense.
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Yes, lots of that. But the ballroom can go forward, so we're all saved.
01:34:40.700 --> 01:34:44.360
It's all okay. Of course, you know, but we're getting a ballroom.
01:34:45.260 --> 01:34:48.520
And the arch. You did mention the arch. The arch is important.
01:34:49.220 --> 01:34:54.450
The reflecting pool's coming along, I guess. eventually it'll be back. You know.
01:34:54.450 --> 01:34:58.760
At least he did admit one thing. Somebody said that, I can't remember which
01:34:59.140 --> 01:35:00.820
candidate it said. Ossoff.
01:35:01.380 --> 01:35:05.900
Yeah, Ossoff was the one that said, you know, he's building all this shit to
01:35:06.340 --> 01:35:10.460
himself because nobody else would do it. And he actually agreed that that was true.
01:35:11.530 --> 01:35:12.380
What you're telling me.
01:35:12.380 --> 01:35:14.580
At least some level of self-awareness.
01:35:14.820 --> 01:35:17.090
Donald Trump is an honest man, apparently.
01:35:17.510 --> 01:35:20.690
Apparently, at least he does realize that everybody hates him.
01:35:21.720 --> 01:35:25.590
Eh, you know, I think you realize...
01:35:25.680 --> 01:35:29.400
No, even the people that suck... Listen, no, he does... Listen,
01:35:29.640 --> 01:35:34.990
this bastard knows that even the people that suck up to him only do so because they're scared of him.
01:35:36.100 --> 01:35:43.400
You know, you're probably right. I mean, honestly, like to do the armchair psychoanalyst stuff,
01:35:44.150 --> 01:35:53.310
a big part of Donald Trump's whole lifetime narcissistic disorder is, you know,
01:35:55.390 --> 01:35:59.820
he fundamentally at his core knows no one likes him.
01:36:00.390 --> 01:36:04.440
His dad didn't love him is like a core part of it.
01:36:04.780 --> 01:36:09.950
His dad and his mom were cold and did not express love.
01:36:10.400 --> 01:36:16.250
And so he didn't. And he knows people don't like him except for his wealth.
01:36:16.650 --> 01:36:21.980
And he doesn't even like himself. You know, he clearly doesn't like himself.
01:36:22.920 --> 01:36:30.700
And everything he does is about trying to fill that hole in his ego,
01:36:31.510 --> 01:36:36.870
to try to be like, you know, pretend that everyone actually does love him.
01:36:37.150 --> 01:36:39.060
But he knows it's not true. But he does.
01:36:39.060 --> 01:36:39.990
He knows it's not true.
01:36:40.160 --> 01:36:43.930
And that's fundamentally what the problem is.
01:36:44.260 --> 01:36:51.920
And it makes you think, how much could this country have avoided if somebody
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had just made this goddamn man go to therapy in his 20s? Fuck.
01:36:58.020 --> 01:37:01.190
Yeah. Jesus. Yeah.
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You know, so anyway, we're done. Thank you for joining us yet again on Curmudgeon's Corner.
01:37:08.920 --> 01:37:13.770
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01:37:13.770 --> 01:37:18.130
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01:37:41.190 --> 01:37:46.480
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01:37:46.960 --> 01:37:50.290
So, Yvonne, what's this week's highlight from the Curmudgeon's Corner Slack?
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That the guy that wrote this book, Rich Dad, Poor Dad, that I think one of the
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key things was about how he was so smart with money and how you shouldn't be
01:38:00.230 --> 01:38:02.070
in debt, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
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is in debt to the eyeballs.
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Like $1.2 billion.
01:38:10.600 --> 01:38:12.030
Billion? Billion?
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Did you say billion?
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Yes.
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This poor dad author goes bust how Robert Kiyosaki went into debt to the tune of $1.2 billion.
01:38:26.770 --> 01:38:27.400
That's a lot.
01:38:28.030 --> 01:38:31.890
Yeah. And it shouldn't surprise you that this guy is a friend of Donald Trump.
01:38:32.640 --> 01:38:38.130
Ah. Well, I'm sure Donald Trump will help out with that because Donald is so generous.
01:38:38.460 --> 01:38:42.590
Sure. Yeah. Sure. Totally. Of course. Yeah.
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So, yeah, you know, it's like, it's like all these fucking people.
01:38:48.480 --> 01:38:52.650
It's like, you know, I've said Tony Robbins is another fucking scam.
01:38:53.470 --> 01:38:57.380
Kathy, by the way, for some reason found our friend, mutual friend,
01:38:57.380 --> 01:39:01.610
Kathy, that apparently she had taken some like Tony Robbins tapes from my,
01:39:01.610 --> 01:39:05.180
that my dad had like four years ago. And I guess she was doing a cleanup.
01:39:05.180 --> 01:39:07.350
And she just asked me to see if I wanted them back.
01:39:08.220 --> 01:39:13.140
He said, no, I don't want the fucking Tony Robbins. I don't even have a tape player.
01:39:13.540 --> 01:39:18.280
What's that who's who's that other dude does financial advice on the radio or used to.
01:39:18.740 --> 01:39:22.640
Like oh yeah the yeah i know which guy you're talking about i have his image
01:39:22.640 --> 01:39:27.050
you know the guy that like berates everybody no debt no debt you know drive
01:39:27.050 --> 01:39:31.650
a drive a old car blah blah yeah yeah yeah he's a hypocrite too right,
01:39:32.300 --> 01:39:33.920
he's another fucking hypocrite too yeah,
01:39:34.880 --> 01:39:36.280
like all these fucking people i.
01:39:36.280 --> 01:39:37.000
Forget his name.
01:39:37.460 --> 01:39:41.630
Yeah i know i have his face in front of me and i'm like i can't remember his
01:39:41.630 --> 01:39:43.540
fucking name like right now but yeah.
01:39:44.260 --> 01:39:46.980
Oh man what now now i have to know.
01:39:47.390 --> 01:39:49.590
Oh god i can't i can't uh.
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Okay hold on.
01:39:51.730 --> 01:39:52.810
Uh yeah yeah yeah no,
01:39:55.460 --> 01:40:02.530
dave ramsey dave ramsey yeah dave ramsey yeah yeah yeah yeah he's he's another douchebag yeah.
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Okay yeah we're done thank you everybody have a good week stay safe uh i i was,
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i was traveling so i i'm like weeks behind on my sign duty for my wife's campaign,
01:40:21.960 --> 01:40:27.440
she was had 60 40 in the primary so she's uh you know signs may not be quite
01:40:27.440 --> 01:40:30.150
as critical as they might have been but i'm still,
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behind now. So I have to do extra hours, but I'm not going to get extra hours
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this weekend because we've got something planned for tomorrow,
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but I'm trying to at least do some hours of signs today.
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And anyway, yeah, whatever, whatever.
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We're done. Thank you. Stay safe. Have fun. Have a great week.
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We'll talk to you again next time. Goodbye.
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Bye.
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Okay, I'm going to hit and stop. Later, Yvonne. Bye.
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Bye.