Cold Brew Conversations XI: Kristen Toomey

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You know what I'm thinking. What I'm thinking, I'm gonna
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start wearing a handkerchief on my wrists because the past
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couple of days I like out in public. Last night
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I was at the club and I started wiping my
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nose on my sleep. I'm the sleep of my dress. Wow,
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like a psychopath. That's great, Neanderthal.
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That's the only thing that's a new brand for you.
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You know, it's just like not when you're not like
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paying attention that people could see you totally. So anyway,
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I'm thinking, wouldn't it be cute to get like a
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little handkerchief on your wrist? Did they have that back
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in the day?
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I don't know.
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I know that some I really don't know. I don't know,
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not like in my day.
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Maybe in the nineteenth century or something. Hello, it's Cold
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Brew Conversations, Episode eleven with Special Guests. Kristen to me,
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She's been the guest on three of these eleven, so
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you can tell I like talking to her. So, ladies
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and gentlemen, Kristen to me, Enjoy.
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You're really zoomed in. Is it bad you did this
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last time? I just looked like, I, I mean, this
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is close enough.
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For me I did this last time. Yeah, I do
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this every time. This is what my setup. I don't
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know how to do another one. I did do this
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last time. Oh so a lot of people say when
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they meet me, uh, you did that last time. I
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mean I already told the story about my dad's brave
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hitting the cabinets. I don't talk, I don't tell that
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over and over again. But I just was like, you know,
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it doesn't take long for me to bring it back
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to psychoanalyzing my family. But we're not going to do
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that today because this is a different podcast.
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It's called it's called Handkerchiefs.
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Something or so what's it called like finding your you know,
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I'm just trying to I'm making a joke, like I'm
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trying to figure out what this podcast could be if
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it wasn't just like colbrew conversations, like it was just
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like finding your truth or I don't know, like what's
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your favorite pet or something like that. Either one, like
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like any kind of theme would be I'm thinking about
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that interesting?
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Yeah or what I yeah?
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Yeah?
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Sure, So speaking of like that. So I just did
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a show in Minneapolis, and my mom was adopted and
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her adopted like birth family is from Minneapolis. We found
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them through twenty three and me, uh huh in twenty fifteen,
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did I tell you this?
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Maybe, but I don't know. This will all be new.
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Well that doesn't matter, because I mean, I can't remember
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what I told. There's too much talking in this industry,
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okay to remember what the hell? Yeah, and any kind
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of any kind of this. Yes, like it used to
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be you go and talk on the Tonight Show with
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Johnny Carson, and then you talk in the clubs for money,
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but now you have to talk all day, every single day,
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even alone, for no money. Yeah, for no money, but
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you just have to keep talking all the time in
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case you catch a good piece of content and then
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you have to upload it. So there's no telling what
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I've said before or what you've said before, But go
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ahead and tell me again.
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So anyways, my mom's biological first cousin, also named Kristen,
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came to the show, and then the next day she
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invited me over for coffee and I went, but because
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now I'm allergic to dogs, we had to sit outside
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in like one hundred degree weather wedding for like four hours,
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and she told me all about like my mom's biological family.
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Oh, Wow, that's cool.
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Is an insane story. Oh really, my mom was like
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human trafficked, like a black market adoption out of gold
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BLAT's department store in Chicago.
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Wow.
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And I don't even know what that means.
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They used to adopt babies to rich Jewish people, Okay,
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and my grandparents were not rich or Jewish, but my
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grandfather was a carpenter and he worked for this guy Kohne,
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who my grandparents were trying to adopt, but they had
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aged out of the proper channels because they were like
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thirty five, okay and forty and back then that was
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considered too old to have a child. So my grandmother
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was devastated and my dad, my grandpa's boss, was like,
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I'm gonna do you guys a favor and hook you
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up with this Goldblatz baby thing.
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What was it like a department store.
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Well, the lady who ran it also ran the department store.
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So then my mom was my grandmother was shipped off
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to Ashtabula, Ohio to have My mom never knew if
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it was a boy or girl. They just took the baby.
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Then wait, who's wait, who was shipped to ash Toula?
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Your mother, you're mother's mother. Yeah, okay, so funny. My
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family's involved with ashtabula Ohio to rely. Yeah, my grandfather
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grew up in Youngstown and they had a like a
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lake house in Ashtabulah. Oh really yeah yeah, I've never
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been there though, even there No, okay, well, so so
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that's okay. So the so your dad's boss. Oh god, no,
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your grandfather's boss or something. I can't even figure it out,
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but go ahead. So that so anyway, green Blatz lady,
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somebody green Blatz is running in addition to the shoot apartment.
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This is too convoluted for you.
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No, no, I'm following it.
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So so the green Blatz is okay.
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I got you the gold Blasts okay, okay.
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Cool one, Okay, come on, I just woke up.
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I get better as the day goes on.
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Anyways, So anyways, she was given to my grandparents at
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like ten days old. They kept her in the hospital
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for ten days. Then a nurse met my grandparents in
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like the Cleveland airport. My mom had her formula like
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duct taped to her and they just handed the nurse
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handed her the baby. They got on another flight and
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came back to Chicago. They didn't even have a crib.
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They put her in a drawer because they didn't have
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any warning they were getting her. So anyway, it's really
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fucked up story because she doesn't know who the father is.
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And my biological grandmother was like assaulted by her uncle
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her whole life and she had like a lot of
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PTSD and stuff after that. But I kind of feel
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bad for my mom, Like I kind of wish I
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didn't get her that twenty three and met because it's
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not like a great story, you know, it's like.
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Oh wow, yeah, I wonder if that happened. Probably happens
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a lot. I mean, you hear about the well, I
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don't know what you hear about. Actually, all you really
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hear about is how twenty three and ME is used
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to catch.
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You know, to catch criminals.
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But uh.
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Uh you know using.
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The genealogical DNA.
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We're doing that.
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Oh yeah, well that's why those twenty three and meat
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things are really like they're really for the FBI and
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for like the CIA, Like it's really a way to
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trick people into uploading their DNA, Like, uh, and I
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didn't think of that, but that's what. Yeah, it's like,
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how can we get people to voluntarily how can we
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get non criminals in our database because without swabbing them,
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we can tell them it's a fun thing.
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You know.
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So so anyway, that that that, But then I mean
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there are that's kind of cool to know the story
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though still maybe I mean maybe it makes your mom
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happy to know. I think it probably would make you
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feel good to know at least know the things.
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Yeah, she says that it answered questions that she had.
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But here's an interesting thing. Well, for one, it turns
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out we're related to Roger Williams, who was the founder
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of Providence, Rhode Island, Okay. And he was the like
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an abolitionist, and he was like the first person to
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pay Native Americans for their land. That's why they kicked
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him out of Boston because he recommended we should be
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paying these people for the land. And they were like,
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get out of here.
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That makes sense.
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Yeah, lucky they didn't kill him, I guess. But so
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crazy stories.
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Well it's I think you're a good person.
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So that's a good time to introduce the guests. Oh yeah,
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this is Colebrew Conversations number eleven, and three of them
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have been Christen to me. Uh so this is Kristen
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to me. Conversations. Really yeah, but yeah old conversations ladies
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and gentlemen. Uh one of my favorite people and uh,
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great amazing comedian that you should go see any time
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she's anywhere near your town, even like four hours away.
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You better get in the car and go over there. Wow,
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Kristen to me.
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Hello everybody.
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So uh So, the part I didn't understand is like,
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who you can.
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Cut all that that I just said? Anyway, it doesn't matter.
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This that's the best part of the show. I bet
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you so.
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Uh we cut the hat.
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We're not cutting. We need all we can listen, we
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need all we can get here. Okay, this is a
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content generating project.
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No.
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So, so the part I don't understand is who gave
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who gave the baby away to this this version like
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this corrupt? Like who's who said okay, okay, you can
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have my baby? Yeah, instead of like, instead of giving
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the baby through.
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Proper adoption channels.
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What was the I don't know.
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Do you know about the I'm trying to figure out?
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Does your mom then know her biological mother?
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No? So she passed away in two thousand and eight.
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She never got to meet her. She does know her sisters,
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though her half sisters and one of them just passed away.
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So I was like going to pick up this stuff
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from her sister that passed away to see if she
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wanted any of it. And here's the crazy thing. So
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my mom is not a good cook, Like, don't tell
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her I said that, but she is not. She's she
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makes like one thing really well and we all love it. It's
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her potato salad and she makes it every fourth of
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July because it's like around her birthday, and she makes it.
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It's awesome. So what's so crazy is I'm picked up
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this stuff from this lady and she comes out of
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the house and she's got a huge tupperware bowl that
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says Sherry on it, which is my biological grandmother's name. Wow,
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she goes, this is kind of silly, but this is
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Sherry's potato salad bowl. She was known for her potato salad.
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And I'm like what, and I'm like, so is my mom.
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So then I bring my mom this bowl. She thought
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that was crazy. She texts her half sister, Dolly and says,
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what's her potato salad recipe? It's the same recipe that
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my mom just made up. Crazy, isn't that crazy?
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That's awesome.
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Yeah, so that's something. I mean, it's she doesn't really
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look like my mom, and so I was like, I
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don't think this is I wasn't really buying it for
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a long time.
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But oh, you didn't think it was actually your grandmother? No,
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but the potatoes saled thing?
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Was that enough?
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No? Still not fully you know?
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Okay, yeah, yeah, so that's your grandmother though your grandmother
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never so you never had a grandmother and a grandfather,
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not a biological one, but you had a You have
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your mom's adoptive parents.
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Yeah, but they're gone now or passed away.
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But did they know did they ever explain how they
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got the baby or they didn't tell that? That was
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never told.
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They said that yeah she was adopted, but they didn't.
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Say anything about how or where or anything.
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No, except when my grandfather had Alzheimer's, he's my mom
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was helping him and he turned to her and he said,
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you should have been a rich Jewish girl. So my
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mom always thought she was Jewish and they just weren't
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telling her. But really they're not. She's not Jewish. But
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this lady Kristen was like, oh, I thought your grandparents
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were Jewish, and I was like no, and I'm like,
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what is everybody talking about? This Jewish like every and
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it's because of the Goldblatz department store.
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Wow.
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And so you know, man, the twentieth century.
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The twentieth century was a damn free for all, well anything,
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everything was up until cell phones I mean, or smartphones
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or the Internet. I mean the Internet. I mean basically
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it was wild West. And I don't know make up
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which is better.
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I really don't, you know.
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have been helpful if it stayed a certain way, but
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instead it's turned into this nightmare. But there is a
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certain amount of like the twentieth century and before you
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could just do all kinds of things that nobody would
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ever find out about, just so much so every old
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especially now that they have twenty three and me because
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or twenty three in me or ancestry dot com or whatever.
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So what they do with.
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What is it genetic genealogy or whatever. I can't think
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of the word. It's not genetic genealogy that's like twice
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same the same thing or something. But it's it's how
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they catch they're catching all these solving all these cold
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cases from the nineteen seventies and eighties. Now.
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I don't know if you've noticed that, but like.
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They're catching all these rapists and murderers from the that
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one would have gotten away with it if it weren't
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for the internet. So they they're like, all these eighty
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year old dudes are getting caught for these murders and
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rapes they did in the seventies and eighties because and
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they're all eighty years old, and they and a lot
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of them have families and stuff, and and.
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For them you're selling you can go bad for them.
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No, no, no, I'm just like, uh, I'm.
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Terrible in their golden years. To finally, this is I'm saying,
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this is this.
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Is a good this is a good thing. I'm saying
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what It's very like, it's not well, I'm leading to
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a thing.
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Oh get there, quicker because it's man.
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Man so uh Colbrew heckling. So no, So you see
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these eighties. Now, when I look at an eighty year
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old guy, I'm like, I don't know what the fuck
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you did? You know what I mean? All these guys.
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What I was getting to is that these the aging
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process covers up because it makes everybody look sort of benevolent,
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like an old man, you know what I mean, Like
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all of a sudden, you're like, oh, look at the
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old man. It turns out my point is that all
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these old men, how do you like this conclusion, are rapists.
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But I mean, it's really true that you don't know
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what was going on, you know, back then, really because
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there just wasn't anybody paying attention.
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And that's why, you know, I'm well.
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Whoever, people from that generation also were abused, and they
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don't even see it as abuse because there was nobody
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to tell it to. So they just were like, I
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guess that wasn't abuse, you know what I mean, Like
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it's it's insane. So there are certain advantages to you know,
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the Internet, because you can find out like is it
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okay for this to happen or you know what I mean.
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Like it's like when I talk to my mother about
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like she's like, I was never bothered, you know, I mean,
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that's a that's a thing, you know, where she's watching
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a lot of Fox News and you know, and they're like,
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this is all bullshit. Nobody's ever sexually assaulted and manner
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the real victims, you know. And my mom's like, uh,
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I don't remember. I didn't. I don't know nothing ever
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happened to me. So maybe all these women are making
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it up, you know what I mean, because she's watching
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so much Fox News, and I'm like, then, I like
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hear stories that she tells their abuse, you know what
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I mean. But she just didn't have anybody to run
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them by or anybody. Everybody just said, who cares, it
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doesn't matter. You know, people exposed themselves. She's like, I
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was on the bus and some guy exposed themselves to
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me and I was like, yeah, that's a that's not
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that's not good.
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It's not a good thing or not normal.
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That's like I don't know if you find this, but yeah,
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it's the same thing. Like when you talk about your
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childhood to somebody that comes from a completely different place
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and you see their reaction and you're like, oh, oh,
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I guess that is weird.
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You know that happened, that happened with someone.
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I won't I don't want to tell in case somebody listens,
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But an ex girlfriend of mine was telling stories about
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her childhood and everyone was like, holy fuck. She thought
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they were funny. Yes, I mean that's too and they
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were fucking crazy.
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Yeah, same, and uh.
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Yeah, I had some good idea just that all that
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thing said some really good story and it went away.
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So I thought there would be a fun theme, you know,
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like sometimes I do think that, even though I love
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to keep things loose in case something really wild happens,
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rather than having a format, I did think, since we've
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talked three times on this show, that maybe it'd be
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fun to have like a topic or something. I just
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rung a bell by mistake. I have a bell on
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my podcast by regular one, and and it's it's like
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a front desk kind of bell, you know, And so
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I've gotten lots of them as gifts. So I have
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bells everywhere. I have front desk bells everywhere, so I'm
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always running into them or when I move, they're always
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ringing in my boxes. Yeah, it's an exciting life anyway.
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Not I don't want to talk too much about my
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how many free bells I've gotten? Yeah yeah, yeah, but
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mm hmm. I was thinking piece of advice, like this
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is insane, I can't do this, but best I was thinking,
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like best piece of advice some you know, like oh,
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I have a guess, like, what's the what's the best
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piece of advice you ever got? But then I'm like,
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when I even say it, I have a hard time
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to be saying that out like just as a But
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then I thought, Okay, the other thing I was going
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to talk about is like that I got in trouble
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so well, not really, but I got yelled at, like
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by a fan, I guess, like for talking shit about
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Gracy Abrams. But that's sort of a that's that's that's
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not a good topic because because then it's just I'm
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just going to reenact talking shit.
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About Gracy Abrams.
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But do you know who Gracy Abrams is? No, she's
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JJ Abrams's daughter. Do you know who JJ Abrams is?
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Lost in Star Wars guy?
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Yeah, So so she's like the number one singer like
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in the country or you know, she's up there with
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Taylor Swift and Selena Gomez and not Selena Gomez. Who's
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the other one now, Olivia Rodrigo.
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You know, like those.
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You know, the X mousektiers that are running our music business.
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So this is what I say.
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I say stuff like that, the x esque X mousekittiers
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that are running our music business. And then Gracy Abrams like,
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I just went on Twitter, like I'm still on Twitter, like, you.
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Know, just because I just like to look at it.
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I like to look at the horror. So this I'm
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on Threads and Blue Sky. You kidding me? I got
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it all going on, So they let me on all
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those not to brag. So I got on Twitter and
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this guy was like, like told me to stay in
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my lane. Basically, he said, stay in your lane. You
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talk about abandoned mines, talk about abandoned mines.
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What's that.
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Have you ever heard of me before? I don't know,
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maybe not, but you don't you don't listen to anything.
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It's I don't like I don't listen to what. I
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don't listen to any of your I don't listen to
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anything you do either, So the I'm just kidding. So no,
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I don't listen to other people's podcasts though I don't
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sit and listen to like I just only do my
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own podcast kind of, you know, so I understand. Like
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it's not like I think you're gonna know all about
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the fact that I ring a bell on my podcast
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or that I talk about abandoned mining NonStop. I don't
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though mining well not abandoned mining, but watching people walk well.
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During the pandemic, I started watching metal detecting on YouTube.
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But I like metal detecting in theory, but I also
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get bitten by every kind of bug in the world
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loves me so much, so like, I can't really when
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I think about metal detecting, I just think about bites,
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like going in the grass and stuff. I just can't.
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So I'm like, this is a way for me to
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metal detect without having to actually do it. So I
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watch people do it, you know, And so then then
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I switched to mud larking. You know what that is?
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That where you catch a fish with your hand.
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No, it's a good guess it's nude. That's noodling.
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Oh, another thing that helps society become safer. Nudling another
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improvement of the twenty first century. Catching fish with your hands,
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So with your arm, yeah, your leg. That's a crazy
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thing to do. I mean, there is nothing I would
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never reach into a hole underwater for a zillion dollars.
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Well, you get met so easily and you'd be good
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at it.
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Well, okay, well I'm getting roasted over you.
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So I'm just saying you just said you get bit.
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I do but buy bugs.
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I didn't say I get bitten by fish.
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Hmm, try it and see.
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I'm not gonna try it.
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Christen, There's no way I'm putting my hand in a hole.
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A lark or whatever it is.
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Mud larking is where you've searching the mud for objects
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in London because the Thames River has been running through London,
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and London is two thousand years old. It's like a
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city that's been a city for two thousand years straight.
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So it's like there's shit in that fucking mud of
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the river endless. So you just every time the tide
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goes out, it reveals more junk from you know, two
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thousand years. So sometimes they find Roman stuff in the mud,
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but other times they find stuff from the you know,
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nineteenth century, twentieth century, whatever. It's just interesting to me.
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And then sometimes they'll find stuff that they can track
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whose it was, like they'll find a troop, like a
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label from a troop's like maybe kit, like from World
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War Two, and then they find out who that soldier
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was and and sort of that sort of thing. So
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I like that his history part of it. And then
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but then I started watching people walk through abandoned.
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Minds and I really like that.
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Too, so so like I've just talked a lot about
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that on Daily Zeitgeist and things like that.
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You know.
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So then like, but I didn't expect to be thrown
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in my face as like you're not allowed to talk
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about music, you can only talk about abandoned minds.
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Yeah, using it against you.
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Have you ever have you ever run into any kind
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of like, well, you don't have a podcast, no, so
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you don't like open yourself up to.
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I did a podcast in twenty fifteen. It was called
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butt Hurt, and people were, Yeah, we pissed people off
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on that's the big time, but for the reason we
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don't do it anymore.
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Right, It's like, I mean it's like I understand that,
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like you can like Gracy Abrams, who's like it's just
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I felt like I got treated like I insulted somebody's friend,
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like Gracy Abrams is not great. I'm not insulting Gracy
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Abrams like or he said I did a drive by.
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You know this person is a real person.
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Yeah, because they they're a fan, they're like talked about.
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I mean it was like, I like your show, but
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don't talk shit about you.
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Know that, Like have you seen them before.
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Now, no, it's someone and I, uh yeah, I think so.
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I think they've interacted with you before and they.
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Have like oughts are crazy, like you don't know.
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No, it's not a bot.
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It's like and I take it too personally, like it's
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it's not fine, you know, it doesn't matter. But but
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I just was like, I you know the expression drive by.
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I did a drive by and on Gracy Abrams. You
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know that expression.
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Gives a fuck. Honestly, I don't know why this guy cares.
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I don't know why you care.
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That I care because I feel bad because like I
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just made it made me go back over we Gracy
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Abrams music, and I was like, I still really don't
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like it, and I'm not doing it drive by on
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Gracy Abrams. She's doing it dry by on me. She's
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been in my face every fucking time I turn on
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my phone there's Gracy Abrams singing.
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So it's not me doing the drive by.
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She's fucking all over me because the because she because
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Live Nation owns every channel there is, so everywhere you
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go there's Gracy Abrams singing. So I'm allowed to that's anyway.
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That's I just I think it's like, I'm not These
488
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.759
people don't need our support. These people don't need our support.
489
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:39.000
I need support, not Gracy Abrams. She's a zillionaire who's
490
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:41.680
on every channel. And I know a million friends of
491
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:44.039
mine who are better than Gracy Abrams who can't get
492
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:46.240
on any channel. So that's my point. It's like it's
493
00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:49.960
like it's like I'm not I'm not the one Gracy
494
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.440
Abrams is bothering me, not the other way around.
495
00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:56.680
Right. I feel like that there are certain artists that
496
00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:01.559
I have never looked up. I have never intentionally sought
497
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:06.119
them out. I can't go five fucking minutes or two
498
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:11.200
days at least, being honest without seeing them. And it's
499
00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:14.720
like I have never listened to a song of theirs,
500
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:17.799
I have never googled them, I have never clicked on anything.
501
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:22.000
I have never liked anything. So it's like, what the
502
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:26.759
fuck is just being force fed to you? And there's
503
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:29.759
a handful of people like that where it's like I
504
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:33.240
don't know why my algorithm thinks I would give a
505
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:36.480
fuck about this, but I don't, and it pisses you off.
506
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:39.920
Like at first you're like, okay, you just scroll by
507
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:43.720
it and you start it's like somebody harassing you almost
508
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:46.720
it's like get fucked, and it does make you feel like,
509
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:52.680
you know, angry or annoyed. It's annoying if anything.
510
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:56.559
Well, yeah, and I tie it into why people are
511
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:06.160
feeling so lonely because they're they're not like seeing how
512
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:09.160
many people are like sort of in their position, Like
513
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:12.920
you only see these privileged people when you I mean,
514
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:15.160
you just end up seeing having privileged people shoved in
515
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:20.440
your face NonStop instead of realizing, you know, it's just
516
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:23.559
part of this problem where the world is like dominated
517
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:27.440
by these like twelve people and we forget that we
518
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:31.119
outnumber them by such huge numbers. It's like comical, but
519
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:32.839
it doesn't feel that way at all. It feels like
520
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:35.720
we're getting kicked around by Jimmy Fallon, you know, and
521
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:38.799
it's an insane way to live. It's just so stupid.
522
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:41.839
And then I understand then people defend those people like
523
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:43.920
they're their friends because they're the only people they see
524
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:45.759
because they're online all the time and they're the five
525
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.920
people that are presented to them by Live Nation, which
526
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:53.920
is Live Nation slash iHeartRadio, slash Clear Channel, slash Ticketmasters.
527
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:57.519
So you're dealing with every avenue of entertainment is being decided.
528
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:01.640
Who you see is being decided by about you know,
529
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:05.079
probably twelve board members of you know that are all
530
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:08.319
overlapping on every company that you you know, it's just
531
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.440
an insane version of reality where you really feel less
532
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.119
than and you and you're being like run by such
533
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:19.880
a few, like art is being run. Like art in general,
534
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.240
the things that get through, the things that get it's
535
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:25.680
like reduced to twelve people. I mean, even on the
536
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:28.960
Tonight Show, they'd have bummer comedians that sucked every now
537
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:30.720
and then and then they didn't get anywhere, but they
538
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:32.319
at least got a shot, and then maybe they had
539
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:35.000
a little comedy club career, but they didn't have like
540
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:37.319
just the same. It wasn't just like let's see John
541
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:40.799
Mullaney again, let's have John Mlaney on every night. Like
542
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.440
it's like, I mean, when we're comedians selling out multiple
543
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:47.039
nights at stadiums or whatever, it's not because they're better.
544
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:48.920
It's not like the comedians now are better than the
545
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:53.759
old comedians. In most cases, they're worse because they're talking
546
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:55.920
about all bunch of junk that they're exposed to on
547
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:58.880
their phone. So it's like why is John Mullaney selling
548
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:02.160
out Yankee Stadium him for five nights because there's a problem,
549
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:03.279
not because he's the best.
550
00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:03.799
Comedian in the world.
551
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:06.119
And I like John Malaney, He's fine, But I'm just saying,
552
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:09.279
you know, it's like, well, the reason we're getting these
553
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.359
mega mega stars is not because their art is mega
554
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:14.880
mega good. It's because they're being fucking We've got a
555
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:18.920
situation where monopolies make us watch them and then and
556
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:20.200
we think they're the only option.
557
00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:22.839
I mean, I have so many comedians.
558
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:25.160
That I love that couldn't get any traction whatsoever and
559
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.359
just quit the business and are now just like doing
560
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:30.720
regular jobs like and that sucks, and like and ones
561
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:32.240
that would have been on the Tonight Show and had
562
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:35.720
a decent set and gotten a little career and now
563
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:38.920
it's like either John Mullaney or bust and that sucks.
564
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:44.200
Oh no, angers, Yeah.
565
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:47.680
I completely agree. I feel like, you know, obviously no
566
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:49.160
shade to John Mullaney.
567
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:50.920
But no, he's fucking good. There's no doubt about it.
568
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:54.160
Like, these people get chosen for whatever reason to be
569
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:58.319
that person. So it's like it wouldn't even be his
570
00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:02.319
fault or his doing. I don't know, Yeah, I don't
571
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:09.119
know what that decision is or why, but yeah, I
572
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:14.359
feel like even the Tonight Show, I mean that's obviously
573
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.440
it doesn't do what it used to do for your career.
574
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:19.200
I know, plenty of nothing and on it and then still.
575
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.720
It does nothing in fact, and it's kind of insane.
576
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:26.039
It's nice just to have the credit just for your
577
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:30.440
own if that's like something, you know, I think for me,
578
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:33.720
I've been doing this for almost eighteen years, and I
579
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:38.079
think people in my life are so used to me
580
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:41.839
doing comedy clubs or doing what I do that they're
581
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:45.440
not impressed. You know, they never really were that all
582
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:49.720
that impressed. But the only two things that would impress
583
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.880
people in my life, I think is doing the Tonight
584
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:59.480
Show and doing anything on SNL related because out here
585
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:05.279
and it just the average person, that's all they know
586
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:07.559
about comedy. I mean literally, like they.
587
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.839
Don't follow no, yeah, yeah, yes, or.
588
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:13.079
Kill Tony I guess. But I don't talk to people
589
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:13.440
like that.
590
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:15.640
But you know me neither.
591
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:18.160
There's some people that that's their new thing.
592
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:20.359
I love that. That's my favorite quote of the fucking
593
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.839
show right already.
594
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:24.000
Seriously like kill Tony.
595
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:26.359
But I don't talk to people like that. That's exactly right.
596
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:28.160
I don't talk to people like that either, And that's
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00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:30.839
a fucking that's the right position. That just makes me
598
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:32.640
happy to hear that, just the way you said it, simply,
599
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:34.440
I don't talk to people like that. That's a good
600
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:35.079
way to put it.
601
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:38.079
Well, thank you. Yeah, but yeah, So it's like the
602
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:42.519
only two things that like, I think my cousins would
603
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:44.799
give a shit about, you know, not that I need
604
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:48.000
them to care, obviously, I'm kind of a self sustaining
605
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:52.119
machine at this point, but it would be nice for
606
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:56.039
them to give me like a hey, you know what
607
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:58.720
I'm saying. Just I think that would be the only
608
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.279
two things that I would get off for, which is
609
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:04.720
not like it's just like it's an institution, you know.
610
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:06.519
That's what I feel like when this guy's talking to
611
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.599
me about it, Gracie Abrams, and I didn't take it
612
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:10.199
too personally.
613
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:11.559
I just took it like it was like.
614
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.639
I just happened to I was doing my usual wake
615
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.280
up in the morning and look at all the apps
616
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:19.880
to see if someone is giving me a million dollars
617
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:22.960
or something, and then you just go through to see
618
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:24.960
what they are. And I got a notification on Twitter,
619
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:27.760
which is rare because Twitter's like doesn't work anymore at all.
620
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:29.320
I mean, you just go on there to look because
621
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:33.599
if you post anything, it doesn't doesn't get like Elon
622
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:36.360
Musk has got it rigged, so you you only get
623
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.320
you have to pay basically get your posts to go anywhere.
624
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:40.960
So it's just a thing to look.
625
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:42.679
At Twitter in twenty nineteen.
626
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:44.559
Yeah, it's just a thing where you can look at
627
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:46.320
and you can see what the conservatives are saying, because
628
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:48.480
there's lots of them on there. And I just like
629
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:50.559
to see all the bad news, you know, and all
630
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.599
the fighting and not necessarily, but I like to see
631
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:56.119
what the bad people are saying, just so I can know.
632
00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:59.000
But anyway, I just got a notification and I clicked
633
00:34:59.039 --> 00:34:59.320
on and.
634
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:01.360
It was just like basically like shut the fuck up
635
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.480
about jac crazy abras, you know, you know, it's like
636
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:08.320
it's uh, and and stop talking about Dave Grohl too,
637
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:15.000
But I mean Dave Grohle like he was like oh no, no, no, no, no,
638
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:18.599
like a whole podcast you have that's not a whole
639
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:20.719
pot well no, every time he comes up. I I
640
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.960
mean I used to love Nirvana, yeah, and and and
641
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:30.360
I have issues with Dave Grohl because of sort of
642
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:36.000
the same kind of issue as like he's one of
643
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.800
those people that like wouldn't stop showing up, like he
644
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:43.920
was everywhere for like six years. He was everywhere everywhere,
645
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.800
like doing acoustic versions of Ship at the Grammy's, doing
646
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:50.079
it at the Academy Awards at the And I just
647
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:54.239
feel like when someone's that relentlessly showing up, I just
648
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:57.840
have a feeling that they're not, Like it just makes
649
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:02.360
me suspicious of their motives. But I mean, really it's
650
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:04.440
just his music, Like I just Foo Fighters when I
651
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:06.400
when they first started, in the very beginning, I was
652
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:16.400
kind of interested. But it's also really a thing about
653
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:23.840
Taylor Hawkins and how he sort of like his Taylor
654
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:26.840
Hawkins dying as a result of a tour schedule. That
655
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:29.679
I mean, Taylor Hawkins was an addict and and and
656
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:33.360
Dave Girl knew that, and he had already overdosed, and
657
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:36.039
you know, and and I just feel like Dave Girl's
658
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:38.360
all I mean, that was actually really the truth. I
659
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:42.280
think that Dave Grohl's treatment of Taylor Hawkins seeing me
660
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:46.239
seeing him party with Taylor Hawkins, like publicly on drinking
661
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:49.360
whiskey with him, and like I just feel like Dave
662
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.760
Grohl felt like to me like he had no sense
663
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:54.559
of his friend, like this is supposed to be his
664
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:58.039
lifelong buddy, and his friend died of a heart attack,
665
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.639
not a pleasant death like Taylor Hawkins called was alone
666
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:09.119
on cocaine, you know, you know, in a hotel room
667
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:12.199
and wherever it is, Brazil or something, and Dave Grohl
668
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:14.480
was like a hotel, not even a hotel at Cabana
669
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.719
or a whole house. He was in like Chris Kristen.
670
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:23.239
To me, Taylor Hawkins was in his own like house,
671
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:26.239
and then Dave Groll's in some other house somewhere, and
672
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:29.000
then Taylor Hawkins dies alone, calling a hospital because he
673
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:31.320
has chest pains, and it's just like I just feel
674
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:34.880
like that's not to me a friendship, like with an
675
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:35.559
ex addict.
676
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.199
Like I just feel like that's like Dave Grohl just
677
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:39.199
is all about.
678
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.559
Him and he just wants that thing to keep rolling,
679
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:45.719
and he wants it to keep rolling. And Dave Groll
680
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:48.960
is also an alcoholic and he just keeps going and
681
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:52.280
going and going. And I just know from experience that
682
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.599
you end up running other people over too, because you're
683
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:56.360
just so much like I need to do the next show,
684
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:57.679
because that's my excuse to drink.
685
00:37:58.039 --> 00:37:59.159
I have to have a show tomorrow.
686
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:01.480
I have tour end because otherwise I won't get the party,
687
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:04.519
and I won't get my hit of seeing all the
688
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:06.920
other celebrities, and I won't feel heightened. And that's what
689
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.639
I feel like. I feel like they're so I get
690
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:13.760
really deep on this stuff, partly because of my own experience,
691
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.480
but I see Dave Grole as like an active addict
692
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:20.519
who runs people over. Basically that's not a perception that
693
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:26.039
everybody shares though, because I'm like, I have this thing
694
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:28.440
where I psychoanalyze everything, but I'm not like I'm also
695
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:30.960
a huge music fan, so I've been like following Dave
696
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:34.920
Grole very closely. I was at one of the first
697
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:37.400
food Fighters show, like when it was in a club,
698
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:43.719
you know, with a tour with who did oh, Mike
699
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:46.960
Watt it was it was Mike Watts Ballhog or tub
700
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:53.480
Tugboat tour and Foo Fighters were opening in nineteen ninety five. Yeah,
701
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:56.559
And so I saw them on their first tour and
702
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:58.599
they were fine. They were like a clunky rock band.
703
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.239
I also like clunky rock bands, not like necessarily juggernauts,
704
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:03.840
you know, Like I don't. I don't like when it
705
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:08.519
becomes like a big thing, like yeah, like, I just
706
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.760
don't know that anybody can keep their head together. I'm
707
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:13.559
not even going after Dave girl as much as I
708
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.159
think when you're in that kind of a situation, you
709
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:18.320
don't know what the hell's going on either. He doesn't
710
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:21.360
know what's going on. He's probably just saying yes to managers.
711
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.599
And but anyway, when you talk about people who other
712
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:28.599
people love, you just step on you know. It's like,
713
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:32.000
but I do think there's an element of like, that's
714
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:35.079
my friend you're talking shit about totally.
715
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:40.199
I do think there is something about music that and
716
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:44.880
you know what, to be honest, I never really was
717
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.079
like that, but there is something about music that if
718
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:53.079
you are alone a lot or you're you know, I
719
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:56.119
never really I always listening to music as a kid,
720
00:39:56.119 --> 00:39:59.760
but I never felt like a personal connection with any artists.
721
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:05.920
And so, like, honestly, in the past maybe eight years
722
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.199
or something, I start like feeling more of a connection
723
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:11.639
with who I'm listening to. I think up until then
724
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:13.679
I was sort of just in my own head and
725
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:16.360
not you know, like I like I told you, I
726
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:20.679
don't really know album names and song names or something.
727
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:27.039
But it doesn't mean like I'm not deeply listening or investing.
728
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.599
It's just sort of like I make it personal. I
729
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:33.880
guess it's more about me than it is about who's
730
00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:41.360
singing it. You know. Yeah, I think I but I'm
731
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:44.199
not a musician. So I feel like, although I do
732
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:48.239
think comedy is like a percussion instrument, but I'm not
733
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:49.320
a musician.
734
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:51.800
It's a percussion instrument.
735
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:52.599
Comedy.
736
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:56.880
Yeah, it's definitely a yeah, it's definitely a rhythm. It's
737
00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:59.880
a That's probably why I want to be a drummer.
738
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:03.840
Well, my great my grandmother, the biological one. I found
739
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:08.440
out she was a drummer. They were all artists. That's
740
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:09.000
the part of that.
741
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:13.039
The one that okay, gosh, the one who gave away
742
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:13.639
the baby.
743
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:15.039
Yes, my MoU.
744
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:18.480
That's probably what they needed. They probably needed money.
745
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.320
No, it wasn't that they were like, here's a baby,
746
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:23.639
so I can play the drums more.
747
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:26.199
No, they had like a family band. But they were
748
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:30.159
all like professors and art history and stuff. But anyway,
749
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.000
she was a drummer. I just found that out.
750
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:33.880
They were all professors.
751
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:36.280
Music and art professors and like.
752
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:40.239
And they gave away a baby in some bootleg way
753
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:43.840
like that. That's so weird. I know, gosh, it would be.
754
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:45.920
So interesting to know the real story behind that.
755
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:48.880
Well, it's because she got pregnant, she wasn't married, and
756
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:49.559
she was young.
757
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.199
And oh, I guess that's true. It's such a big
758
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:54.840
that's all right, that's okay. I forget about that too.
759
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:57.239
That's like, yeah, that could have all been just a
760
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.000
hide that rather than go through the formal adoption process.
761
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:02.239
That's probably what that is.
762
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:03.480
I forgot.
763
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:07.280
Also, it turns out my mom is half Italian, so
764
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:10.719
that means that the dad was one hundred percent Italian,
765
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:15.760
and you know back then Italians like and Catholics, like
766
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:19.760
he was obviously probably Catholic, and these people are super
767
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:24.599
waspy like they started they're all Protestant, So I don't
768
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:26.480
know if that was something to do with it, you know,
769
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:28.760
like he's Italian Catholic, like can I have that?
770
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:32.480
But anyway, regardless, oh wait, wait, the father was.
771
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:35.119
Yeah, because DNA wise my mom.
772
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:39.880
Oh okay, gosh, but she doesn't know her dad.
773
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:43.039
Though, right, But he's just some Italian what a bummer?
774
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:45.159
I mean, my dad didn't know his dad though, and
775
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:47.159
he grew up with him. So it's like back then
776
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:49.079
it was like trying to find out stuff about people
777
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:50.960
was like they were just like brick walls, and they
778
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:52.559
were raised to be brick walls.
779
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:53.800
Like you know, what do you like, what did your dad?
780
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:56.119
What was your dad? If my dad asked my dad,
781
00:42:56.480 --> 00:43:01.800
who he knew what my dad's dad was, like, I
782
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:04.599
mean he that never even came up, like never, my
783
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:08.840
dad knows nothing about his grandparents. Not a fucking thing
784
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:12.000
on either side, because that was just not something. No
785
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:14.559
one told anything about themselves to other people back then.
786
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.559
They just didn't. And a lot of it was dark too,
787
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:18.199
so they didn't.
788
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:19.880
It was like, shut up about that.
789
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:21.360
We don't want to talk about when so and so
790
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:24.360
got pregnant or that's another improvement of the twentieth first
791
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:27.679
century besides smartphones, is you know, evolving, it's.
792
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:28.559
Not just smartphones.
793
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:30.599
I love I'm just on my phone too much so
794
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:35.360
I see everything from that. But yeah, it's a huge
795
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:40.599
improvement that. I mean, Ted Bundy's origin story involves hiding
796
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:44.280
at pregnancy, not knowing who his parents were. I mean,
797
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.400
it was like homes for unwed mothers. It was like
798
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:49.119
a huge deal, Like I mean, it was like a
799
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:51.719
dead serious, like you can't you have to leave town
800
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:54.280
if your daughter gets Yeah.
801
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:56.960
He shipped her to Ohio from Minnesota and then as
802
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:58.880
soon as she got back, they married her to this
803
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:02.039
guy named Earl. Like immediately, no.
804
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:06.599
One should marry anybody named Earl. That should be illegal
805
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:07.199
by itself.
806
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:12.199
But anyway, I was saying about what.
807
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:13.639
We're talking about growing up with music.
808
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:19.039
Yeah, I was talking about like feeling personally invested in
809
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:22.360
the artists I'm listening to. I think that didn't really
810
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.760
start for me. And so when I was older, like recently,
811
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:30.000
I guess and I'm not even sure why, but I think,
812
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:34.599
you know, I just kind of listened to the music
813
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:38.039
and I wasn't really I was making it more about
814
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:41.119
like how is this relating to me? Or like just
815
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:43.519
what does this feel like? Instead of like who is
816
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.679
this that's singing? And why should I give a shit
817
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:47.599
who they are?
818
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:49.719
Okay, that's interesting, that's not.
819
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:53.400
That wasn't me at all.
820
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:59.519
I was always interested in, especially if it was like tragic,
821
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.320
like if a singer like suicide, you.
822
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:07.840
Know, I hate that that ruins that really when not
823
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.400
like joy division, I can't even listen to Joy Division
824
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:14.639
anymore because I saw a photo of that poor baby,
825
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:18.880
that lead singer. He was in a photo booth, yeah,
826
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:21.159
and it was right before he killed himself, and he
827
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:25.960
looked his eyes were so oh. I can't even talk
828
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:30.280
about it, and so it just makes me so sad now.
829
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:33.639
And I'm like, see, I love those songs and I
830
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:35.360
can't listen to it because of that.
831
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:36.599
True.
832
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:39.599
Wow, So you're super sensitive. See, I'm not sensitive like that.
833
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:45.679
I don't like I always thought that if somebody was
834
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:52.800
in under terrible emotional strain, then that made the art
835
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:58.800
even more believable to me, you know what I mean.
836
00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:01.000
Like it was it was like if someone's singing about
837
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:05.079
pain and then they actually killed themselves that I'm like,
838
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.679
those songs are like true. I go too far with
839
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:10.639
that because I'm like, oh, these songs are you know,
840
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:12.760
which may or may not be true. I mean, like
841
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:16.079
I don't know that for a fact, but I always
842
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:18.880
thought of that as a kid. I think that was
843
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:22.960
also because my dad linked depression with authenticity, Like he
844
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:25.679
did that like to me because my dad was always depressed,
845
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:28.280
so he was like, that makes me more real because
846
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:29.199
I tell the truth.
847
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:30.760
Everybody is actually depressed.
848
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:33.280
I am telling you I am, and that makes me
849
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.320
like he just yeah, it makes me honest and makes
850
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:41.559
me like he also just so, I got this idea
851
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:45.239
that somehow sadness was linked with authenticity, and that was
852
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:47.400
a bad thing because then I see happy people and
853
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:50.519
I immediately assume that they're superficial and that's a very
854
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.840
difficult thing to pull apart if you were kind.
855
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:57.559
Of raised in it healthy. Yeah, that's an unhealthy way
856
00:46:57.599 --> 00:46:57.920
to live.
857
00:46:58.000 --> 00:46:59.639
Yeah, yeah, I got it hard.
858
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.400
It can only be fake. I mean, I can kind
859
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:04.360
of relate to that. But I've worked through that, but
860
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:06.360
a little bit me.
861
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:09.079
Too, a little bit, but it's like still.
862
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:11.519
Hangs around. I hate it, you know.
863
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:13.320
I've done a ton of work to try to get
864
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:16.480
rid of it, you know, but it's in there, you know,
865
00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:18.000
and it's like who knows, you know. That's sort of
866
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:19.559
part of I mean, I know a lot of deep
867
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:21.880
stuff about Dave Grohl because I was so interested in Nirvana.
868
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:24.760
That's really why I love Nirvana. Loved them so much,
869
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:27.360
you know, they meant so much to me at the
870
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:29.239
time because they were like the band that made me
871
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:32.639
feel like I could play music because I didn't understand that. Well,
872
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:35.199
Kirk Cobain was an awesome guitar player, but he played
873
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.159
what looked like simple stuff to me, so like it
874
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:40.960
gave me the hope at age twenty two, when I
875
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.679
was just learning to play guitar, I felt like I
876
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:44.519
was way too late.
877
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:44.800
You know.
878
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:46.679
All the people I read about started when they were
879
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:48.679
thirteen playing guitar, so I was twenty two.
880
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:50.679
So I was like, oh, no, I'm fucked. I can't
881
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:51.519
ever do this.
882
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.039
And seeing Kirk Cobain writing songs with power chords was
883
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:56.760
like a huge thing for me. It was just like,
884
00:47:58.039 --> 00:47:59.679
not to mention, I just loved the songs, you know,
885
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.360
I mean just catchy and awesome and you know, just
886
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:04.360
like that, it's just such a great.
887
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:08.480
So different, wildly different from anything that was mainstream before
888
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:11.400
that in the sense of just like presentation and.
889
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:16.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that was just like, But I
890
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:24.440
can hyper analyze people's motives also in a way that's
891
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:26.159
just over the top.
892
00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:28.480
No, I can do that too, and make for sure
893
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:33.079
I only feel I only feel like I thought when
894
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:38.599
I feel, which is probably kind of fucked up for me.
895
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:41.920
But I only do that if I feel like someone's
896
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:48.199
trying to get close to me personally then and I don't.
897
00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:54.239
If I don't trust you, then I will like meticulously
898
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:58.079
analyze you in a way that is really.
899
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:04.000
Destructive, maybe too much. Yeah, I mean it's but that
900
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:08.400
makes sense, you know that makes sense. I also see
901
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:14.920
mm hmm. I also what okay, Oh yeah, it's just morning.
902
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:16.320
It's just me wake up in the morning. You have
903
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:19.079
to clear my throat, like I mean real. The long
904
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.039
story is that I got bronchitis in December, and I
905
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:26.519
never I get asthma sometimes from like dust, so like
906
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:30.119
I've had. I got so much inflammation when I got
907
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:33.800
bronchitis that it still hasn't fully gone away. And the
908
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:35.840
doctor I talked to you said it might never go away,
909
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:38.000
which is frightening. But he's like when you're older and
910
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:40.800
you get well. He didn't say older, I take everything,
911
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:42.880
but I mean like he means like whatever, he's like,
912
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:46.880
I think he meant older. Like basically, inflammation when you're
913
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:49.199
a kid just goes away quickly. But now it's like,
914
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:54.000
since I already have tissue that's prone to inflammation, like
915
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:56.840
when I got bronchitis, it's.
916
00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:58.239
Still like sensitive.
917
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:03.000
So like every morning now it's like I mean, there's
918
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:04.639
a certain amount of throat clearing when you get to
919
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:06.840
be my age anyway, I'm fifty seven, you know, which
920
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:09.480
is like, so you know, so old, you know really
921
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:11.960
and doesn't feel that old.
922
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:13.320
But I mean, I'm getting a picture.
923
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:15.000
Of how why everybody was like eighties, like I still
924
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:19.039
feel the same, you know, like but but anyway, like
925
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:22.920
when I was like, I didn't clear my throat anyway,
926
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.559
you clear your throat as an older person anyway, I
927
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:27.119
think it's like ninety percent of your day.
928
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:29.480
So you're just getting into that era.
929
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:32.119
Right when you finally get it clear, it's time to
930
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:32.599
go to bed.
931
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:38.400
And that's funny. But when I real quick about the
932
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:43.079
elderly rapist, like you were saying early, Yeah, you know,
933
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:46.639
I love elderly people so much, you know, I don't.
934
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:48.199
I don't know that I know. I don't know that.
935
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:49.039
I know you love them.
936
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:51.639
I know you've worked with them, and I could imagine,
937
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:53.599
since you're a nice person, that you wouldn't all of
938
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:54.559
a sudden switch.
939
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:55.880
Into him being mean to the elderly.
940
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:59.960
But it seems very nice. Okay, Yeah, I like him.
941
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.840
I love elderly people anymore. It would be like a
942
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:04.559
perversion Okay.
943
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:06.599
Hell yeah, that's hold on. Actually, I since I have
944
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:13.199
the bell right here, serfs.
945
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:22.320
Up wellas no, yeah, nice, No. I love elderly people
946
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:26.119
so much. And I here's the thing. I love children
947
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:31.360
and elderly people so much. And I was like, because
948
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:35.079
they're not threatening anymore, they're not a threat. Maybe they
949
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:37.920
were rapists in the seventies, like you said, but they
950
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:40.280
can't do it now, and so.
951
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:44.440
Hold on, I'll give you one more. I'm going to
952
00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:45.159
give you one more.
953
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:53.599
No, the show has arrived, so.
954
00:51:53.679 --> 00:52:00.760
Because they can't be raping now, they're open beloved fuck
955
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:03.880
and look, I'm just like a candy striper and everything.
956
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:07.639
Well, I like, I like old people too.
957
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:09.679
I mean, I don't know if I I don't know
958
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:11.840
if I thought about what that they're safe, though I
959
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:15.679
don't feel like old people are safe. Like I don't
960
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:19.679
feel like they're safe just because they're still they can
961
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:21.000
still be fucking.
962
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:22.800
I mean depends how old.
963
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:25.199
I mean, they're not really uns, they're not really like
964
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:29.119
they can still rape till they're like eighty.
965
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:34.800
They can they can grow, but they can.
966
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:38.760
Here is like not physically afraid of them anymore. You
967
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:41.280
figure you can fucking hit him hit them, you know,
968
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:44.840
you knock them out. Yeah, you like all right, So
969
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:46.400
that you like old people because you feel like you
970
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:51.280
can knock them out. That's a different I don't know
971
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:55.920
if that's love as much as dominance. You like to dominate,
972
00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:59.360
You like to dominate. Yeah, okay, well they're threatening, so
973
00:52:59.559 --> 00:52:59.920
I got you.
974
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:03.119
Okay, So you love them and quotes I.
975
00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:04.400
Can't love somebody that could.
976
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:06.679
Write you could love you can't love anybody who could
977
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:08.679
ever hurt you. Okay, cool, Well now we've gotten there.
978
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:14.599
This has been coledal conversations eleven. Okay, so no, but
979
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:18.880
you also like them, probably because they're interesting.
980
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:26.119
No, no, yeah, no, no, But like what I like
981
00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:28.119
about old people is you ask them questions and you
982
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.519
find out they have these crazy lives, same way like,
983
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:31.400
and they're not always.
984
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:31.719
A bad life.
985
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:33.280
Sometimes you ask a question and you're like, I used
986
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:35.519
to be a rapist. That's not always, but it's like
987
00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:37.119
you have no idea when you see an old person,
988
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:40.239
you figure, oh, look at that old you know, uh,
989
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:43.519
it's just interesting to find out like what the old.
990
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:46.800
Women used to be, you know, promiscuous, lutty, and you
991
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:48.280
don't ever think about that either.
992
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:51.639
No, you don't you put them in a category of
993
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.039
a cartoon and and then and it turns out that
994
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:56.079
they are. You know, I just like asking them questions,
995
00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:57.440
what did you used to do? Where'd you go to
996
00:53:57.519 --> 00:53:59.079
high school? And they love to tell it because a
997
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:00.800
lot of times no one asks.
998
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:05.079
I used to have like when I was little, I
999
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:08.599
would spend time in this nursing home my mom worked at,
1000
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:11.159
and I would just ask all the questions about like
1001
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:15.239
how these couples met their how these women met their husbands.
1002
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:17.480
And it was always like at a dance and it
1003
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:19.559
was always, you know what. We would be playing cards
1004
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.599
and they would just tell me this story and about
1005
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:24.760
like going off to war and stuff, and I would
1006
00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:28.199
just I loved it. I mean I really loved it.
1007
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:34.000
And making them laugh that was like the best. It
1008
00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:37.360
just got in there really young. I was doing that
1009
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:42.519
very young. And so yeah, I just always have a
1010
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:47.039
soft spot for elderly people. But I like the fact
1011
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:50.440
that they they'll let anybody love on them, you know
1012
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:53.519
what I mean, Like they're just open that defense ego
1013
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:57.119
bullshit is gone, and they'll tell you to go fuck yourself,
1014
00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:00.360
which I admire as well. If they don't like something
1015
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:04.960
about you. They're just honest. Yeah, and that's you know,
1016
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:09.199
kids are like that too, So I like that because
1017
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:10.800
then I can be honest in return.
1018
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:16.000
I guess, Yeah, I don't.
1019
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:21.440
They got nothing by telling you what they think, and
1020
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:22.159
that's a good.
1021
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:25.159
Way to be What is it the first thing he said, They've.
1022
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:26.159
Got nothing to lose.
1023
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:27.840
Oh, right, right, right right.
1024
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:30.599
What they think, and that's how we y'all should be.
1025
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:38.679
Yeah, I think I don't know. I didn't really think that.
1026
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:40.760
I don't think that deeply about.
1027
00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:44.199
Well, you're too busy thinking about Dave Grohl. Honeh.
1028
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:46.519
Maybe maybe that's true.
1029
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:48.840
But I.
1030
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:52.599
But I always wanted to, like when you saw Prince
1031
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:54.960
like or like I'm older than you, when I saw
1032
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:56.840
Prince like, I wanted to know, you know, I wanted
1033
00:55:56.840 --> 00:55:57.880
to know where that guy.
1034
00:55:57.679 --> 00:55:58.639
Came from, you know what I mean?
1035
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:00.400
Like I was like, where did that guy come from?
1036
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.079
Like I wanted to know, like what is I just
1037
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:05.519
got interested, like I guess the way people. I just
1038
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:11.760
was fascinated with the whole process of making music, how
1039
00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:14.159
it was made, you know, where they made it, the
1040
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:16.320
stories about how they made it. I always just was
1041
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:18.320
interested in that, Like I just love I think it's
1042
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:22.199
so funny to hear the stories of like rock stars
1043
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:25.320
arguing and stuff because it's all such childish stuff.
1044
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:25.920
Like I love that.
1045
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:29.559
I missed when artists were like fully fully bankrolled because
1046
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:31.840
there was so much drama and like it was kind
1047
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:33.880
of fun, you know, and it wasn't drama between them
1048
00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:37.639
and like Live Nation, it was drama between like the
1049
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:40.880
flute player and the and the and the bassist, you know,
1050
00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:46.559
like cause they were both like yes, like I miss that,
1051
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:51.000
Like I miss that was like my sports, Like I
1052
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:54.760
loved hearing about how Lindsey Buckingham was an asshole and
1053
00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:58.800
all that kind of stuff, you know, and and and
1054
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.599
like music, Yeah, I love that. So I miss that
1055
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:04.719
because there's just not as much because you know, people
1056
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:07.960
who don't have a living just can't really get into
1057
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:11.559
their personal life because they're constantly worrying about their financial life.
1058
00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:14.000
So it's just not it's like you don't really have
1059
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:17.760
a personal life in the current day you have just
1060
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:25.280
you just worry about money. And and like everybody who
1061
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:28.800
was like doing all the fun stories about musicians was
1062
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:30.800
all because they had a living. None of the stories
1063
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:32.719
are like about them like trying to figure out how
1064
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:35.440
to pay the rent. That was not that was not
1065
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:39.840
what the world was. The only reason people are like
1066
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:42.400
that now is because wages have stayed stagnant for forty
1067
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.159
years and the rents three times as much as it was.
1068
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:47.679
But I mean, if you didn't have like, that's what
1069
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:51.079
I miss. I miss the personalities that come with stability.
1070
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:53.920
I missed the middle class because the middle class was
1071
00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:56.960
where personalities you. If you have no money, you have
1072
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.960
no personality, not because because you that really has to
1073
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:04.960
be in a capitalist society, that's the front burner. You
1074
00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:07.639
cannot if you don't have any money, everything else goes
1075
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:11.039
to the side. Your personal interests, your I would even
1076
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:14.800
argue sometimes your honesty, your ability to be honest or nice,
1077
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:18.280
all those things go away. Like when we talk about
1078
00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:20.599
the loss of the middle class, we're talking about the
1079
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:25.519
loss of everything. We're talking about the loss of.
1080
00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:27.400
Everything.
1081
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:29.679
And that's why people are obsessed with trying to be
1082
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:33.880
friends with with like their with their favorite musician or
1083
00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:37.239
like that's my friend Beyonce or that's my friend uh
1084
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:38.480
tom Yorke or.
1085
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:39.079
Whatever it is.
1086
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:43.119
It's like you've gotten crazy because you don't have a
1087
00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:46.880
personal life. Because your personal life is so dysfunctional because
1088
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:49.400
you have no money. I mean, it's really crazy.
1089
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:54.679
So personally I think is dysfunctional. But I don't know
1090
00:58:54.800 --> 00:59:00.079
if it's related to my money situation. Yeah, I think so.
1091
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:03.679
I think it definitely has something to do with the
1092
00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:10.880
phone and the internet as this synthetic parasocial relationship with
1093
00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:14.239
the world, even not just one person, but just with everybody,
1094
00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:16.519
including us right now. If you wanted to say, but
1095
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:21.800
I think it's very isolating. I think it's taken like
1096
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:26.360
the real thing and substituted it with this synthetic version
1097
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:30.719
that is just good enough to get people by, and
1098
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:35.480
unfortunately it's robbing us of true connection in a lot
1099
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:38.880
of ways. It's taking up a lot of energy that Like,
1100
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:43.480
if I didn't have social media and I didn't have
1101
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:47.719
the Internet, I would literally just be sitting here. I
1102
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:50.480
have no television. It would just be me sitting here
1103
00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:54.320
by myself. And I don't know, first of all, that
1104
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:56.400
wouldn't be very good for my mental health either. But
1105
00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:58.599
I don't know how long I would sit in this
1106
00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:02.320
situation without actually going out into the world and making
1107
01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:06.079
a friend or dating somebody or doing something. I don't know.
1108
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:09.639
Maybe I wouldn't I don't. I would. I don't know,
1109
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:15.039
but I think it's like a pacifier, you know, it
1110
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:21.440
pacifies people into just being fine, waiting it out until
1111
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:23.000
you have to go back to work or do a
1112
01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:29.360
show or meet up with a friend or whatever. It's like, yeah,
1113
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:33.440
I mean the problem. I used to be a very
1114
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:37.519
social person, but I feel like social interactions can be
1115
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:40.239
really draining for me. And I didn't know that that
1116
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:43.239
is what was draining me, you know what I mean.
1117
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:50.239
So I was like, so, yeah, I don't know.
1118
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:57.599
Somebody, you're a well rested loaner. Charge you're a well
1119
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:03.920
rested loaner. Yeah, well, I just know all my friends
1120
01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:06.800
have money problems. All my friends, everybody I know has
1121
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:12.280
money problems, and it's their main it's their main concern.
1122
01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:15.159
And that makes art second. If you're an artist, that
1123
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:18.440
makes relationships second. If you are a lover, thank you
1124
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:22.800
if you are, you know, it makes everything second. And
1125
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:24.760
that was not the case. I mean, sure it was
1126
01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:27.079
the case for some people. I'm not saying, but there
1127
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:30.480
was there was like a good, healthy chunk of America
1128
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:33.239
that had their bills fucking paid and had extra money
1129
01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:34.440
left over to go on vacation.
1130
01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:35.519
And that is not.
1131
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:39.199
I mean that was like, what's that one full time job? Yeah,
1132
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:41.760
that was That's what That's That's why the boomers are
1133
01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:43.599
all crazy because they're like, all you have to do
1134
01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:45.840
is exactly what we did, and then you'll get these things.
1135
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:48.559
Except you don't get those things at all anymore, not
1136
01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:51.199
even any of them. You don't get any of them.
1137
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:53.519
You don't even get a car. I mean getting a
1138
01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:56.679
car is extremely difficult just by itself with a regular
1139
01:01:56.719 --> 01:01:58.199
wage job, like.
1140
01:01:58.159 --> 01:01:58.599
That is.
1141
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:00.360
All.
1142
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:04.760
Yeah. So it's like that is just like it just
1143
01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:06.920
fucks everything up, That's all I can say. And it
1144
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:09.199
makes it so there's a lot less Dave goroals to
1145
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:12.639
go around, and that makes me focused on Dave Grol
1146
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:14.239
in a way I don't want to be anyway. I
1147
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:16.960
don't care really, I really just want to be busy.
1148
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:20.119
But the thing is like there are so people don't
1149
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:22.760
go out. They don't go out, they don't go to
1150
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:26.159
the shows. Like the attendance it shows is like half
1151
01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:28.840
what it used to be because it costs forty dollars
1152
01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:33.519
to park. And that's the same company basically that runs
1153
01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:36.679
the venue, determines the parking which and determines I mean
1154
01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:40.440
you have. They've got everybody since we have five people
1155
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:42.400
calling the shots as far as how much everything costs,
1156
01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:45.079
basically they can they've calibrated it so you're on the
1157
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:47.840
edge of being broke. That's where they're keeping America is
1158
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:51.360
and in depth, but like it's nearly collapsing now. So
1159
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:53.320
that's why there's kind of a problem now, and that's
1160
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:57.440
why they're encouraging surveillance because they know it's gotten too far.
1161
01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:00.039
Most people are just like really on the edge. But
1162
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:02.719
that's engineered. So it's like how much can we make
1163
01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:06.320
a ticket? That's totally up to Live Nation. They run
1164
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:08.639
the venue, the ticketing agency. You know, I already went
1165
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:10.239
through it, and I talked about it a lot, because
1166
01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:12.639
when they can set the prices, they set it at
1167
01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:16.920
the very top that a person can basically pay, and
1168
01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:22.039
then you have less people out of shows. You have
1169
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:26.239
less chances for people to make one hundred bucks off
1170
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:28.760
a show. Instead they're making twenty bucks off a show
1171
01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:31.639
after they pay the sound guy or whatever. I mean
1172
01:03:31.639 --> 01:03:34.239
in the sound guy's not getting the same raiate he
1173
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:35.920
probably got in nineteen ninety four.
1174
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:36.880
I mean, I'm just.
1175
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:39.199
Saying that the whole thing, it's not like I just
1176
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:41.280
want to think, sit and think about this stuff. I
1177
01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:44.760
really just want to be able to see a bunch
1178
01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:49.960
of bands or see a bunch of comedians that are
1179
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:53.280
all like not having to talk about the end of
1180
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:56.760
the world exclusively, you know in their art. You know.
1181
01:03:56.800 --> 01:04:00.280
It's like it's just I'm old enough that I remember,
1182
01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:06.679
you know, when there were more artists and it was
1183
01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:07.360
more fun.
1184
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:09.440
And that's sort of where my.
1185
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:12.559
Complete bring back ugly people.
1186
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:17.760
Oh yeah, well that too, yeah, like you know, like yeah,
1187
01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:20.199
like I think.
1188
01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:24.880
Unfortunately even comedians now, like everybody has to have that
1189
01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:31.159
like influencer look, and it's just like, you know, I
1190
01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:35.760
miss I don't know, there's something that rings. I know,
1191
01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:38.559
it's like you can still be the same person when
1192
01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:41.079
you have veneers or whatever. It's not like it doesn't
1193
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:45.920
change you. But I think that.
1194
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:46.320
That wasn't the case with Axel Rose.
1195
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:53.320
But there's something about like something that rings authentic when
1196
01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:56.320
you see somebody that hasn't altered their look that is
1197
01:04:56.480 --> 01:05:01.679
just like not styled by a stylist, is incomplete, put
1198
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:04.280
through some machine and comes out the other end like
1199
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:08.119
they're going to see the Wizard of Oz, you know, like, yeah,
1200
01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:13.440
work on it's like just some real, real people that
1201
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:16.960
have bills to pay. It's also like that perspective, I
1202
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:21.599
often feel like I'm really missing an opportunity as a comedian.
1203
01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:27.119
Dare I say artists just to be speaking about this
1204
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:31.239
perspective this life. You know, like I have a as
1205
01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:34.239
close to middle class as you can get as an artist,
1206
01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:37.519
fully supporting myself on comedy, which is rare. And I
1207
01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:41.519
know that that is really rare. You know, it's really
1208
01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:44.159
hard to be in this this in between like a
1209
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:48.639
day job and you know, healthy rich kind of I'm
1210
01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:50.960
lucky to be here. There's not very many people there,
1211
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:56.119
and so because I'm in this unique position or relatively,
1212
01:05:57.119 --> 01:05:59.639
I should be talking about that, because I always find
1213
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:05.440
it obnoxious when as super famous comedian with shitloads of
1214
01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:13.840
money is talking to you know, talking about problems. It's
1215
01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:17.039
always kind of like okay, okay, and then they have
1216
01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:19.280
to go the other way where they're name dropping, Oh
1217
01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:24.760
I was at you know, the Hampton's or whatever. It's like, okay, Well,
1218
01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:29.119
comedians are supposed to be relatable, and this is unrelatable
1219
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:32.039
to people. I should be at this point in my life.
1220
01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:35.559
I should be able to relate to the most amount
1221
01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:41.159
of people because I'm not rich, you know what I mean,
1222
01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:44.079
Like I should be talking about that and it's really
1223
01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:48.639
not in my act at all. But do you know
1224
01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:49.239
what I'm saying?
1225
01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:56.719
YEA like seeing the middle class represented genuinely.
1226
01:06:56.920 --> 01:06:59.679
Yes, authentically where it's not I'm not fighting the fact
1227
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:05.039
that I've rich dad and I'm not. I'm not pretending
1228
01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:07.719
I don't have a million dollars in the bank so
1229
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:10.320
I can write a set for you. It's like, no,
1230
01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:14.559
I'm actually that. So it's like I should be doing
1231
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:16.760
what everybody else is pretending to be is what?
1232
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:20.239
Yeah, I guess the only path for that, and it
1233
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:24.000
is it's like putting it up on Instagram and putting
1234
01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:26.599
your fucking act up on Instagram with the words on it.
1235
01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:28.679
I mean that is a way that I've seen comedians
1236
01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:33.480
I know who are not you know, conventionally attractive or
1237
01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:37.599
they're not going to ever get you know, you know,
1238
01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:40.280
Live Nation is never going to be interested in them
1239
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:42.559
because they're not like going to be able to advertise
1240
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:46.360
the new MacBook as well as singing the number one song.
1241
01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:48.719
And that's what a lot of this is. It's it's
1242
01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:50.840
tie ins. Like I mean, when you have a monopoly
1243
01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:53.840
running stuff. They say, well we can. We're gonna we
1244
01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:56.360
have the tools to elevate anybody we want. We can
1245
01:07:56.440 --> 01:07:59.159
choose any artists we want and make them famous because
1246
01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:00.159
we own all the channel.
1247
01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:01.679
We just throw them up on all the channels.
1248
01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:04.320
But why would we throw up someone who we can't
1249
01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:06.519
cross brand with one of our partners. So we're not
1250
01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:09.360
gonna put some ugly person. I don't care how good
1251
01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:14.280
the song is. We want someone who can, who can advertise.
1252
01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:15.679
Or whatever.
1253
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:17.399
You Yeah, I mean, then that's really happened.
1254
01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:19.520
I mean, that's why that's and no one calls, no
1255
01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:21.760
one calls anybody on that anymore at all, because it's
1256
01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:28.279
so normal. But all these artists shamelessly advertise t mobile
1257
01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:31.000
and stuff like. Stuff that used to be like disqualifying
1258
01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:33.479
for an artist and was considered in bad taste is
1259
01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:37.119
now just normalized. So then it's like, of course, like
1260
01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:40.359
I'm trying to think of, like who's a big I
1261
01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:44.000
don't want to like just name women that are annoying me,
1262
01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:47.439
like Olivia Rodrigo or whatever, but what's what's an equivalent?
1263
01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:49.840
I just don't For some reason, it seems like women
1264
01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:53.880
are having this like moment musically, Like all I hear
1265
01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:58.359
about is Taylor Swift and and and and uh over
1266
01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:01.520
Olivia Rodrigo. Who are the main equivalents of that? Like
1267
01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:04.000
who are hot? Who advertised stuff? I mean, I know,
1268
01:09:04.039 --> 01:09:07.239
like Ryan Reynolds advertises his owns a T mobile or
1269
01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:09.640
owns his own mobile. I mean men, I'm just saying
1270
01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:11.359
men are just as bad about this. I just don't
1271
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:14.119
know for some reason. I'm like, my timeline is showing
1272
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:19.760
me tons of of sellout women, not men.
1273
01:09:20.720 --> 01:09:23.560
Yeah, well, I remember Beck. This bothered me a couple
1274
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:25.600
of years ago. I don't know what he's doing now.
1275
01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:29.159
And I don't that guy Jack Harlowe.
1276
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:31.279
I don't know who that is.
1277
01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:32.920
That sounds like a fake name though, I mean, like,
1278
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:35.199
I mean obviously, and.
1279
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:38.720
He had a fucking KFC meal deal that was named
1280
01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:39.159
after it.
1281
01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:42.760
Yeah, yeah, that used to be completely unacceptable, That's.
1282
01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:45.279
What I was saying. I was like, in the nineties,
1283
01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:46.640
if you would have done that, you would have been
1284
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:51.600
fucking ran out of every town, I mean honestly, And
1285
01:09:52.239 --> 01:09:55.479
these kids have no idea how fucking corny that is
1286
01:09:55.600 --> 01:09:59.119
or how embarrassing that should be. And it's it's ridiculous.
1287
01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:02.000
So I mean that that's an example, but I don't know.
1288
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:05.560
I guess the only example I could think of was
1289
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:10.399
Timothy Shallamy. You know, he's an example of the same sort.
1290
01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:15.199
That's like the type of person like I've never looked
1291
01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:17.920
anything up about jelly Roll. I've never heard one of
1292
01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:23.479
his songs intentionally, and I know way too much about
1293
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:27.119
the guy. You know, he's for some reason, and he's
1294
01:10:27.119 --> 01:10:29.720
not good looking. So I don't know what's going on there,
1295
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:34.079
but he, I mean, I don't know who how he
1296
01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:34.720
got through.
1297
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:35.800
He was chosen.
1298
01:10:36.680 --> 01:10:40.000
Country music has a heavy republican thing going on, so
1299
01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:45.920
he was chosen as a because he had allegedly like
1300
01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:49.039
recovered and like he was he was using that recovery arc.
1301
01:10:49.079 --> 01:10:52.720
As his like they were they were story.
1302
01:10:54.039 --> 01:10:59.319
Yes, they liked him for that, which is part of
1303
01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:01.720
that republican thing like like he if he did it,
1304
01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:03.880
you can do it too, kind of thing, like you know,
1305
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:07.600
you convinced, you convince poor people to think that they
1306
01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:10.960
can also be jelly Roll. You know that's that's like, Oh,
1307
01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:13.319
it's my fault. I'm not rich because look, jelly Roll
1308
01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:15.680
did it. He's he was a robber and now he's
1309
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:18.279
a now he's a number one, he's the number one album,
1310
01:11:18.319 --> 01:11:20.840
but like the number one album also is an engineered
1311
01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:24.119
thing at this point because they control all the streaming
1312
01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:28.840
services that determine what the I mean, we're getting rigged celebrities.
1313
01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:32.079
It's like on steroids, totally normalized.
1314
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:38.039
He had a raising Caines deal.
1315
01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:41.439
So when you're talking about ugly people coming back, it's
1316
01:11:41.479 --> 01:11:46.239
it's they're being excluded because they just don't crossbrand. Well.
1317
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:48.239
I mean, like I always think of the guy who
1318
01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:53.000
was saying, if you like Pina Coladas, that song, I mean,
1319
01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:56.359
he looks you don't know that song, No I do?
1320
01:11:56.479 --> 01:11:58.199
Is that Jimmy Buffett or now is that some guy?
1321
01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:01.479
Oh no, it's just someone hit one hit wonder and
1322
01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:06.000
and and he was like he looked like, you know,
1323
01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:07.119
an insurance adjuster.
1324
01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:10.279
It's about like meeting up with your spouse.
1325
01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:12.399
Your own It's a creepy song. Yeah, it's a horrible song.
1326
01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:13.920
That was like where you Yeah, you were like, are
1327
01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:15.920
trying to cheat on your spouse with a personal and
1328
01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:19.159
it's the same person. Yeah yeah, and they're like, oh
1329
01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:22.239
my god, we love each other after all. Yeah, we're
1330
01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:27.279
both fucking completely dishonest, but we love each other in
1331
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:27.720
the end.
1332
01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:29.319
It's a crazy song.
1333
01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:31.560
But anyway, that guy is an example of a guy
1334
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:34.399
that could never advertise a MacBook. No one would ever
1335
01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:36.399
use a MacBook if he was a spokesman because he
1336
01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:40.760
looks like he has herpes. So he is he is
1337
01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:43.720
like a he looks like an insurance adjuster that has herpes,
1338
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:46.920
or act an actual murderer. But I love that song
1339
01:12:47.439 --> 01:12:53.640
and so like, it's just you're not getting You're not
1340
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:57.880
getting the perspectives he used to get. And that's why
1341
01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:00.560
I am grateful for podcasts and conversation like this. I
1342
01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:02.920
really do enjoy this part of it. I think this
1343
01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:04.560
is and this is why I like Mark maren and
1344
01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:06.880
why I talk about him, because he did show you
1345
01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:10.520
how you could turn a podcast into elevating your voice
1346
01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:14.119
until it can't be denied by these gatekeepers because they're
1347
01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:16.960
just like, we need to put Mark Maron on fucking
1348
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:19.319
Netflix because he's just gonna make us money. You have to,
1349
01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:22.640
like sadly create your own.
1350
01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:28.600
This is gonna sound cynical or disillusioned or something. I
1351
01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:32.760
don't know what it's called. But I think even if
1352
01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:36.119
you have like an independent because I've had some good
1353
01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:41.079
things on social media take off or whatever. But if
1354
01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:44.319
you don't, let's say you break through, right, you have
1355
01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:50.640
like a viral clip or multiple viral clips. After that happens,
1356
01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:53.800
you've had that. I have had that, yes, So if
1357
01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:59.520
after that happens for whatever reason, no management, that is
1358
01:13:59.560 --> 01:14:04.800
a staff. And I'm talking about maybe three companies I
1359
01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:07.760
can think of them now. If they don't come to
1360
01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:14.000
you and pick you up, it still is not going
1361
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:17.239
to work. That's the thing is like everybody thinks like, oh, yeah,
1362
01:14:17.319 --> 01:14:19.720
you can be an independent artist and all you all
1363
01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:22.840
you have to do is have a viral clip. Well yeah,
1364
01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:26.119
but you also have to be appealing to one of
1365
01:14:26.199 --> 01:14:31.079
three companies that then they will notice you and they
1366
01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:33.880
will sign you, and then they will book your tours
1367
01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:37.119
and all that stuff and push your clips and pay
1368
01:14:37.159 --> 01:14:40.520
for the algorithm whatever it is. They'll get you in
1369
01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:44.479
front of opening opening for people in stadiums. They'll do that.
1370
01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:46.399
I've seen it. A friend of mine is having that
1371
01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:51.560
happen right now, and she's great, but it's like that
1372
01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:57.720
without that backing, it's it's like, oh, that's great, a
1373
01:14:57.800 --> 01:15:00.560
few more people found me. But but then it's like
1374
01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:04.039
back to square one. I mean, it doesn't it's not
1375
01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:08.640
sustainably going. It's not like this. So anyway, this is
1376
01:15:08.720 --> 01:15:10.199
two in the weeds. I don't even know who would
1377
01:15:10.199 --> 01:15:17.239
find this entertaining, butte okay, I'm just saying that you
1378
01:15:17.359 --> 01:15:22.760
still need that in comedy, Mark Maron, all those people. Yes,
1379
01:15:22.920 --> 01:15:25.439
it's true, you can have a podcast that does very well.
1380
01:15:25.720 --> 01:15:31.119
But until one of those companies says we can make
1381
01:15:31.159 --> 01:15:35.600
money off this person, you're not fucking going anywhere except
1382
01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:40.239
you know, a casino in Michigan City, Indiana. Like, that's
1383
01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:45.119
fucking it until you get the nod from somebody. I mean,
1384
01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:49.760
that's what I've been doing, and for whatever reason, I'm
1385
01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:53.800
on they don't want me, you know. So I know
1386
01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:58.800
that I've known that, but so I just keep doing
1387
01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:01.800
what I can do to make my rest and and
1388
01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:05.600
that's it. But I I they know who, people.
1389
01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:09.000
Know where, and you're you're an undeniable talent.
1390
01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:10.159
So that is frustrating.
1391
01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:13.800
I mean, that's that's that's sort of where yeah, you know,
1392
01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:19.680
I that's where I I don't want to like, I
1393
01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:22.079
don't think about it all the time, but I think
1394
01:16:22.119 --> 01:16:26.079
about you know what I have had quickly?
1395
01:16:26.119 --> 01:16:28.720
Yeah, yeah, go ahead, what I'm annoyed about there, and
1396
01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:31.199
this isn't directed at you at all. I'm just saying
1397
01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:34.359
that this notion that everyone says is like, oh, you
1398
01:16:34.359 --> 01:16:37.079
should be doing front facing videos and you should be
1399
01:16:37.119 --> 01:16:40.479
creating content. It's like, go fuck yourself, because even if
1400
01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:43.159
I were to do that and waste my fucking time
1401
01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:48.159
talking to my phone in my car, it doesn't fucking
1402
01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:53.800
matter until somebody in LA is like, Okay, I think
1403
01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:56.359
you're right. Really doesn't No, I know I'm right.
1404
01:16:56.479 --> 01:16:58.479
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's kind of so.
1405
01:16:58.520 --> 01:17:01.279
The whole notion of like we're not doing enough is bullshit.
1406
01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:04.720
Don't put that on me. I'm not God.
1407
01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:06.279
I put it on I put it on myself too.
1408
01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:09.119
That's why I mean me saying like, oh, you know
1409
01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:10.880
how many times in my head I'm like I need
1410
01:17:10.920 --> 01:17:12.640
to put my I've talked to you about it. We've
1411
01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:15.840
talked just personally about it, you know, like I'm like, oh, well,
1412
01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:17.800
I just the reason everything's not going well is because
1413
01:17:17.800 --> 01:17:19.640
I'm not putting up the videos with the words on them.
1414
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:20.119
You know.
1415
01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:22.880
That's that's you know, gets to see you and then
1416
01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:25.399
want to sponsor you or whatever you want to call it.
1417
01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:30.000
But like I've got all these followers, fucking fifty people
1418
01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:34.199
see my story because I'm not tied to somebody that
1419
01:17:35.039 --> 01:17:37.159
you know, has the power to do that or they're
1420
01:17:37.199 --> 01:17:40.840
suppressing my I'm competition for their people. I don't know
1421
01:17:40.880 --> 01:17:43.039
what it is, but I know it's not working.
1422
01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:46.600
Well, that's the in shitification thing, you know everybody talks about,
1423
01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:48.840
like you know, they there was a moment like six
1424
01:17:48.960 --> 01:17:51.720
years ago where you could get a pretty decent number
1425
01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:54.399
of views, and then they made that impossible. So now
1426
01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:57.199
you can't even do those things that five years ago
1427
01:17:57.279 --> 01:17:59.039
when everyone was saying you got to put the videos
1428
01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:02.119
of the words on them, Like, those don't even work,
1429
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:05.680
so because they've purposely they've purposely squashed them because they're like,
1430
01:18:05.760 --> 01:18:07.520
now you want your videos with the words on to work,
1431
01:18:07.520 --> 01:18:09.880
guess what you got to pay? So and even if
1432
01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:13.239
you pay, that's like yes, as you're saying, like, unless
1433
01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:15.760
you have a big company that knows how to work Instagram,
1434
01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:17.840
like they have full time staff trying to figure out
1435
01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:20.279
how to make it work, you're never gonna be able
1436
01:18:20.279 --> 01:18:22.520
to crack the algorithm in a significant way.
1437
01:18:22.840 --> 01:18:25.000
And there's tiers to the payments.
1438
01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:27.680
It's just yeah, it's just not it goes up.
1439
01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:31.119
To like one thousand, two thousand dollars a month.
1440
01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:33.279
Yeah, you're not supposed to have to have a hacker
1441
01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:35.600
squad to be able to get people forty people to
1442
01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:38.479
show up to your comedy show. It's it's yeah, it's
1443
01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:43.319
not right, and it's and it's and in that model,
1444
01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:44.520
everyone gets lost.
1445
01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:47.279
That's another thing to get lost in.
1446
01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:49.239
You're worried about money already, and then you have to
1447
01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:51.159
worry about tech all day because you're like, I don't
1448
01:18:51.239 --> 01:18:53.680
understand how to get this. Like I have the thing.
1449
01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:58.119
I think it's funny. Other people think it's funny. You know,
1450
01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:01.079
people say they love comedy. What's the problem here? You
1451
01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:02.640
know what I mean. I'm putting it up. I'm doing
1452
01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:04.520
everything they say for me to do, and I just
1453
01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:07.279
still can't get the people out. And all you really
1454
01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:09.720
want is the people fucking out because word of mouth
1455
01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:11.920
is so good too, Like every time I do a show,
1456
01:19:12.199 --> 01:19:14.279
even if six people come, if two people who have
1457
01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:16.840
never heard of me go, like that adds up to
1458
01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:19.680
like that actually is like someone who will buy your
1459
01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:21.920
book or buy your record or I mean, it's like
1460
01:19:22.479 --> 01:19:24.520
you just want people to show up and then it's
1461
01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:26.680
up to you. Obviously you have to have done the work.
1462
01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:31.039
But like the work all goes into now extraneous worrying
1463
01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:33.920
about I think so much about Instagram it's insane.
1464
01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:36.439
And what has Instagram done? What has Instagram done for me?
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01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:39.960
Really? I mean it did do some things that did
1466
01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:42.159
get me in touch with some people. For sad to
1467
01:19:42.199 --> 01:19:45.840
even talk about Instagram as much as you're forced to,
1468
01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:49.439
or you feel like you are. But I don't, you know,
1469
01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:53.000
everyone invested all their flying into Instagram. You know, no
1470
01:19:53.039 --> 01:19:57.399
one makes flyers anymore, you know, And now so yeah,
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01:19:57.439 --> 01:19:57.800
it's like.
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01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:01.920
I think, I don't know what I think.
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01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:06.680
I think. I wanted, I want to I wanted. Let's
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01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:08.680
to wrap it up, I'll ask you. I'm gonna ask
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01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:11.359
you my gimmick. Okay, I'm gonna ask you, like the gimmick, like,
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01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:14.640
what is a piece of advice that has has helped you?
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01:20:14.720 --> 01:20:15.119
Is there some?
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01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:17.720
I'll say one too, Is there some?
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01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:26.079
My first Yeah, this guy told me that to be
1480
01:20:26.119 --> 01:20:28.199
a stand up you have to be able to bomb.
1481
01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:32.039
You can't do the job if you can't bomb. And
1482
01:20:32.119 --> 01:20:36.479
he he, he said that you take take whenever, whenever
1483
01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:39.039
you don't do well, you take it way too hard
1484
01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:42.239
and you can't do the job. It's part of the job,
1485
01:20:42.279 --> 01:20:44.800
and if you can't handle it to bomb, then you
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01:20:44.840 --> 01:20:48.199
can't do the job. And that just helped me a
1487
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:51.800
lot to look at it like that practically.
1488
01:20:51.840 --> 01:20:53.600
He just said, if you cannot.
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01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:57.600
Emotionally handle the rejection of a bad comedy set, then
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01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:00.560
you're in the wrong business. And that made me feel good.
1491
01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:02.920
I mean, it just made me understand, like like to
1492
01:21:03.039 --> 01:21:05.000
have it put that way, like it's a it's part
1493
01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:06.680
it's a job. I mean, no matter how much you
1494
01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:09.479
call it, there is an element to it that you
1495
01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:12.039
just there are certain facts about it, and one is
1496
01:21:12.039 --> 01:21:14.279
that you're going to bomb, and if you are doing
1497
01:21:14.319 --> 01:21:18.199
something interesting or different, you're definitely going to bomb. So
1498
01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:22.000
that made me, I mean, I'll never I say that,
1499
01:21:22.079 --> 01:21:23.560
I say it to other comedians.
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01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:25.039
It's just really helped me to put.
1501
01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:28.319
It practically, like like basically he was like, tough enough,
1502
01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:32.840
this is you chose this job, dummy, Like you know, yeah.
1503
01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:35.439
I mean, it's definitely part of the job, and it
1504
01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:41.039
should suck, it should always feel terrible. Yeah, But if
1505
01:21:41.079 --> 01:21:46.359
you're not motivated by that rejection, then this isn't right
1506
01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:48.520
for you. For sure. I mean if it's not like
1507
01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:53.119
you know, it's like if you were a boxer and
1508
01:21:53.239 --> 01:21:56.119
if you got punched in the face, for the rest
1509
01:21:56.159 --> 01:22:01.000
of boxing, you were like corner. It's like you have
1510
01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:02.840
to have that thing in you where you get punched
1511
01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:05.279
in the face and you go towards it again, you know,
1512
01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:06.640
mm hmm.
1513
01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:10.119
But it's ideally you'd be fighting an elderly person.
1514
01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:16.520
Yes, because they hit very slowly, they're safer. Yeah, so
1515
01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:18.640
I would agree with that. You definitely have to be
1516
01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:21.439
able to bomb. I think sometimes people get a little
1517
01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:24.199
too like, oh I like to bomb, and they kind
1518
01:22:24.199 --> 01:22:27.680
of you know, like that's their coping mechanism, like they'll
1519
01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:32.640
intentionally bomb, or the set's not going, well I've done this,
1520
01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:37.800
and you just drive it into the ground. You're just like, oh,
1521
01:22:37.880 --> 01:22:39.000
now we're all gonna pay.
1522
01:22:39.119 --> 01:22:40.680
That's funny like that.
1523
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:44.359
I haven't done that in a while. Well, I'll do
1524
01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:48.159
like little bits of that. But I'm not as latent
1525
01:22:48.159 --> 01:22:54.039
about it as I used to be. Advice about comedy.
1526
01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:56.079
We're asking Oh no, just just in general.
1527
01:22:58.359 --> 01:22:59.760
I don't know. I can't think of.
1528
01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:01.720
Any That's fine, it doesn't matter. I didn't call it
1529
01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:03.560
like the advice. You're supposed to get people of heads
1530
01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:04.319
up on this stuff.
1531
01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:08.600
I wouldn't. That wouldn't have helped. I don't think, I know.
1532
01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:13.279
I've had pretty good advice. I don't really know what
1533
01:23:13.359 --> 01:23:13.680
it is.
1534
01:23:14.079 --> 01:23:14.760
It doesn't matter.
1535
01:23:18.279 --> 01:23:19.720
You don't have to come up with some advice. It
1536
01:23:19.720 --> 01:23:21.840
doesn't matter. It's already been a good show. I love
1537
01:23:21.880 --> 01:23:25.439
talking to you. Everybody goes see Christen to me anytime
1538
01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:27.880
you can fucking get a chance. I'm serious, it's.
1539
01:23:27.720 --> 01:23:31.520
So much fun. You're so real, you know.
1540
01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:35.439
That's what we're kind of talking about, is being honest.
1541
01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:38.960
And I always feel like when I see you, I'm
1542
01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:44.520
getting the real thing, you know. And so, yeah, when
1543
01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:47.159
are you performing again? I mean this, I'll try and
1544
01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:50.439
have this up like next week. So by next week.
1545
01:23:50.479 --> 01:23:53.119
So are you doing anything in the toward the end
1546
01:23:53.119 --> 01:23:58.279
of August, that's sorry, July, early August or yeah.
1547
01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:01.600
So yeah, I'm gonna be in.
1548
01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:18.720
How okay, Mark, I'm gonna mark that somewhere somewhere.
1549
01:24:19.399 --> 01:24:23.000
I'm gonna be in Columbus, I think, or Cleveland or Cincinnati.
1550
01:24:23.119 --> 01:24:25.319
All right, So if you're in Ohio, okay, it's good. Columbus,
1551
01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:27.800
Cleveland or Cincinnati, anybody listening to this from Ohio.
1552
01:24:28.039 --> 01:24:29.399
Go it's worth a trip.
1553
01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:32.720
It's worth it's.
1554
01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:33.479
Worth a trip. Go see Kristen.
1555
01:24:33.640 --> 01:24:41.840
It's always joyful and just plain old fucking hilarious. I mean, uh,
1556
01:24:42.319 --> 01:24:45.399
the real, the real thing. So go find the real thing. Uh,
1557
01:24:45.439 --> 01:24:48.159
And don't let don't let your algorithms squash you into
1558
01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:52.920
only going to see you know whoever, Yeah, jelly Roll
1559
01:24:53.079 --> 01:24:58.960
or whatever other equivalent comedian is. You know Tony Hinchcliff.
1560
01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:01.319
He's not even a comedian. He's just like a he's
1561
01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:08.039
like a mean person. Like he's like a famous mean person. Okay,
1562
01:25:08.079 --> 01:25:11.720
one more thing I wanted I did this. I used
1563
01:25:11.720 --> 01:25:13.600
to do this on this Cold Brew conversation and I
1564
01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:15.399
forgot to do it. But what's a song I want
1565
01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:18.840
to put a little I want you to recommend a song, like,
1566
01:25:18.960 --> 01:25:21.760
just a song you like. It doesn't matter if it's
1567
01:25:21.760 --> 01:25:23.199
old or new or whatever. And I'll just put a
1568
01:25:23.239 --> 01:25:24.520
little bit of at the end of the show because
1569
01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:26.920
I like to direct people into try and get them
1570
01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:29.399
to listen to, you know, fun stuff.
1571
01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:33.399
So this is a song that I discovered recently that
1572
01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:40.199
I is so beautiful. It is called When I Get
1573
01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:43.640
My Hands on You uh huh, Bob Dylan's song. But
1574
01:25:43.680 --> 01:25:46.600
it's on the New Basement tapes.
1575
01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:49.560
Oh cool, there's like a two.
1576
01:25:49.399 --> 01:25:53.079
Thousand and eight recording of re recording of his songs
1577
01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:57.119
or I love It that have never been And yeah,
1578
01:25:57.239 --> 01:25:59.880
it's got the guy from Mumford and Son's is singing.
1579
01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:03.600
But it's Bob Dylan's song and it's absolutely beautiful.
1580
01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:05.680
Okay, And it's called save one More.
1581
01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:07.479
Time for Me to Take My Hands on You.
1582
01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:11.439
Well, that sounds great, and I will put that at
1583
01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:15.720
the end of the show. And and me and Kristen
1584
01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:19.720
are maybe going to be doing something in Chicago in September,
1585
01:26:20.079 --> 01:26:25.279
but I'm not positive yet, but I'm sure I will
1586
01:26:25.439 --> 01:26:26.479
see you soon, Kristen.
1587
01:26:26.520 --> 01:26:28.000
And thanks so much for doing the show.
1588
01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:30.159
Thanks for having me, honey. I hope you have a
1589
01:26:30.199 --> 01:26:34.239
great Sunday. I hope everybody is doing well out there listening,
1590
01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:36.600
And I will talk to you soon.
1591
01:26:37.279 --> 01:26:47.960
Cobrew Conversations eleven. Nah, you know everywhere on Earth you go,
1592
01:26:48.319 --> 01:26:51.239
you're gonna have me as your men.
1593
01:26:57.640 --> 01:26:58.279
Nah.
1594
01:26:58.319 --> 01:26:58.680
You know.
1595
01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:04.159
Everywhere on Earth you go, you're gonna have me as
1596
01:27:04.239 --> 01:27:39.399
you're met. Hello, it's me