ÜBER DIESE EPISODE
In this episode, host Dan Kent dives deep into the world of leadership with the exceptional Meredith Bell, President and Co-Founder of Grow Strong Leaders. Meredith shares her extensive experience in leadership development, communication skills, and character-building.
Meredith and Dan discuss the importance of shifting from a victim to an owner mindset and the impact of genuine connections and authentic generosity in leadership. We go on to discuss a whole host of topics, including relationships, character, loneliness in leadership, mindset, "being vs. doing", imperfection, and communication - among many other invaluable insights from Meredith.
Meredith offers stories from her journey, including her transition from a classroom teacher to a leadership coach and product developer. She highlights the significance of relationships, communication, and character skills in effective leadership. The discussion also covers practical tips for leaders, such as the importance of listening, receiving feedback graciously, and fostering a growth mindset.
Listeners will learn about the new GSL Skill Builder program, designed to enhance communication and character skills, and hear about Meredith's approach to creating oneself anew, daily through affirmations and intentionality. The episode wraps up with actionable advice to get 3 quick-wins, for leaders to start improving their leadership skills today.
Don't miss this enlightening conversation that explores the depths of authentic leadership and offers valuable tools to help you and your team thrive.
To experience the Grow Strong Leaders approach & tools: https://growstrongleaders.com/
To work with Dan at Best Self Coaching: https://bestself.coach/
Books noted in this episode:
Mindset by Carol Dweck
The Power of Awareness by Nevill Goddard
Connect with Your Team by Denny Coates & Meredith Bell
Crucial Conversations by Patterson, Grenny, McMillan, & Switzler
Good Authority by Jonathan Raymond
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So before we begin this delightful conversation, I want to make a plug for all
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of you leaders out there who are very likely struggling with overwhelm in your life.
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We have so many ambitions and responsibilities in our roles as leaders,
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but we often fail to be able to even address the most important work that needs
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to be done just due to the sheer volume or the mismanagement of it.
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So it's for this reason that I've decided to give away for free the entire self-management
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module of the clearing obstacles roadmap.
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Now the full roadmap itself is the comprehensive set of tools that I use with
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all of my clients to help them in our coaching journey, but it always starts
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every time with the self-work or self-management specifically.
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I'm deeply committed to helping you get traction in your life so you can crush
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those frustrations of overwhelm that are holding you back from the success that you're living for.
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All 11 lessons stand on their own, but together they delve into solutions that
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extend far beyond mere productivity tools.
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So go to bestself.coach slash free to get started today.
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I want you to have your own self-management operating system to help you clear
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the obstacles that are in your way. Can't wait to see you there.
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I think too often it's kind of parallel with that fixed mindset and the growth
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mindset is this idea of victim and owner.
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If I feel like things are happening to me, then I lose my sense of choice and
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ability to control myself and my own reactions in a given situation.
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Whereas if I take the owner mindset, it's like, okay, so here's the situation. I can't change it.
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Why am I going to curse at it or get frustrated by it? Instead,
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say, how can I work with this? What can I create from this? Yeah.
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Welcome to season two of Clearing Obstacles, the podcast for leaders and those
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that want to be because no organization, not even yours, can thrive without effective leadership.
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Now, as you master this skill, it will become the superpower that gains the
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love and respect of your team, the freedom you seek in your life and business,
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and ultimately, the success of your vision.
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I'm your host and coach, Dan Kent, with Best Self Coaching, and in Season 2,
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we're bringing you the voices of thought leaders who have a unique and valuable
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perspective to share on how to reimagine and redefine leadership in our world today.
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We'll be diving into topics of vision and authority and accountability,
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management, culture, vulnerability, self-awareness, and much more because they
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all fall on the shoulders of today's leaders.
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Are you one of those exceptional people? Well, he can be.
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Our guests all have extensive theoretical and philosophical depth that's also
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matched by their experience and the practical application of those principles.
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And we think you're going to agree.
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So all of you emerging and evolving leaders, buckle up as we clear the obstacles
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to help you get there from here.
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So we live in a world where genuine connections lead to unexpected opportunities.
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You've probably had some possibilities seemingly come out of nowhere yourself.
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Well, that's exactly what happened several months ago when I found myself as
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a guest on another podcast.
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And little did I know that that appearance would set in motion a chain of events
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that would lead us to today's exceptional guest.
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During that podcast, the host introduced me to someone involved in their production process.
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And our conversation, while not immediately fruitful in terms of business,
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opened a door to something far more valuable. This gentleman that I was introduced
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to, recognizing a potential connection, introduced me to a woman he thought
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that would make a fascinating guest for the Clearing Obstacles podcast.
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We'll enter Meredith Bell.
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An absolute beacon of kindness and generosity in the world of leadership and
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development, with decades of experience under her belt, Meredith embodies the
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very essence of authentic leadership.
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In the conversations that she and I have shared since that fortuitous introduction,
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I've been consistently struck by Meredith's humble demeanor and thoughtful grace.
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Her accomplishments and the notable figures she's worked with might never even
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come up if you left it to her to mention them.
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Yet her impact in the business world and the lives she's touched is profound.
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Today we have the honor of hearing Meredith share her experiences in her own words.
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She'll take us through her journey of positive change in the business world,
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offering insights that only someone with her unique perspective and experience could even provide.
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For 30 years, Meredith has been at the helm as the president and co-founder
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of the company Grow Strong Leaders.
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And through this platform and her tireless efforts to share her gifts and wisdom,
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she's She's been changing the world one business at a time with her time-tested
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approach to strong, compassionate, and effective leadership through character
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and communication skills building.
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It's with great pleasure and excitement that I welcome to the Clearing Obstacles
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podcast a woman who just exemplifies the power of authentic generosity in business
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and in life, Meredith Bell. Meredith, welcome to Clearing Obstacles.
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Oh my gosh, Dan. That is the most touching introduction I've ever experienced.
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Oh, wonderful. Thank you for reflecting back to me, you know,
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who I aspire to be in the world.
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And it's very affirming to hear some of those values that I cherish the most. That's terrific.
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You have recognized. So thank you for that. That was just wonderful. Good.
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I mean, it's clear that such, it's so clear that that's your intention for how
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you want to show up because it just shines through every interaction that we've had.
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Email, we've had several conversations prior to this one.
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And each time I'm just so grateful to have had that introduction.
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It was. It was this fortuitous, like, third steps removed from a person that
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I happen to have been connected through a fourth.
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It's magical the way those connections happen. I think we'll probably touch
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on that a little bit more today as well.
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So, I'm hoping to talk a lot more about that.
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That as well. But maybe you can start us off by sharing a little bit about Grow
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Strong Leaders and your extensive experience that got you where you're at today.
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Well, going way back, I started out as a classroom teacher with fourth grade.
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That was my very first career. All my life, I'd wanted to be a teacher.
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But what I found after a few years in the classroom was I didn't care for the
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routine, the repetitive nature.
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And so I got my master's and I thought, well, let me move into school board
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office work and having a greater impact.
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And after three different school divisions, I realized, uh-oh,
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I am not cut out for politics or bureaucracy.
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Few of us are.
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Yeah. But I mean, it just took a toll on me physically.
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And so I just took a leap of faith, honestly, with the support of my wonderful,
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at that time, new husband and started my own business.
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Because one of the things I had really enjoyed at that point,
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I had been working with teachers and I loved working around communication skills
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and how do we work well as a team.
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So I just decided to start working with companies with not any business background.
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This should be encouraging to your listeners if they're hesitant to try something
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new. You don't have to have all the answers.
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You can live on your confidence and figure, I can learn this.
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And back then, there was no internet.
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It was cassette tapes and books and studying. and then, of course,
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just failing a lot and figuring out what to do. But I had this...
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Interest all along in how people connect with each other, how they interact,
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what does it take to have a good relationship?
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So I started focusing on leadership skills, team building, mainly around communications.
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So communication skills have been a passion of mine for many years.
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And then in 1990, I met, and I was a solo consultant for a long time.
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And then I met Denny Coates in 1990 and found someone who was very much aligned to my own approach.
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He was also a solo consultant. So we started collaborating, found we were really compatible.
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And after a couple of years, we said, you know, let's put our two businesses
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together, make this more efficient.
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And we brought in a third partner at that time. So the three of us have now
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worked together for almost 33 years. Wow.
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That's got some legs, man.
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Not many professional relationships endure for that long.
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No, no. Well, marriages either. Well, definitely marriage, maybe even more so.
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Yeah, I just celebrated 42 years on that side.
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So I'm a big believer in making relationships work. Yeah.
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But what was interesting is Denny and I got to a point where we wanted to use
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what's called 360 feedback with clients.
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And back in the early 90s, that was a very new technology. I was just going
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to say that had to be the launchpad. Oh my gosh, yes.
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Back then it was scan forms that people completed and sent off to the publisher.
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And it was mainly focused on senior leaders.
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And so that was frustrating to us. We had a variety of kinds of clients.
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So one set of questions didn't really apply to them.
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So we decided, what the heck, we're going to create our own.
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Soon we hired a software developer and released our first 360 product in 1994 and never looked back.
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Software development in early 90s. I mean, there barely even was such a thing.
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Talk about a proving ground for a product.
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Well, we just decided, of course, the word today is pivot,
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but we just made that shift from consulting and training and coaching and coaching
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wasn't even a thing back then, but that's what we were involved in doing to
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being a product company.
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And that's what we focused on ever since. We felt like we, if we had products
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that could be used by lots of other companies, then that would allow us to have
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a greater impact over time. Right.
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So that's been our focus. is assessment and then also development.
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So not just helping leaders find out where are my strengths and where are others
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saying I'm strong and need area for improvement, but also now what do I do once
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I have that information?
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So creating products that support development in addition to assessment.
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Gotcha. So it sounds really product-based. Do you guys kind of augment that
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with one-on-one or one-on-team types of consulting?
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Oh, we don't do any consulting, coaching, or training ourselves.
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No kidding. We work with many coaches and consultants. They've been our clients over the years.
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And we also have corporations, different types of businesses,
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government agencies that have used our products over time.
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And, you know, Dan, we also believe in long-term relationships.
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Some of our clients and resellers have worked with us for 25 and 30 years. Wow.
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Wow. I want everybody in the back to listen to that last part about the relationships
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that have endured and not just kept you afloat, as is the case with a lot of
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businesses. We're just kind of hanging on.
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But, I mean, it's helped you guys to thrive and sustain for 30, 34 years now.
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Relationships. Relationships. Say it again. Relationships. Thank you.
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All about relationships. And that's why we're so passionate about communication,
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because that's such a key element of being able to have a strong relationship,
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whether at work or at home.
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Yeah, boy, that sure has been a through line in this season thus far in clearing
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obstacles relationships.
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And, you know, that's a pretty broad tent, actually, under which I think reside
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a lot of other traits and skills and character,
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which is probably a really good segue to talk about a new product you guys have coming up.
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So by the time of this recording, we're like two days away from this enormous
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launch for you guys on a new product that you have.
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So by the time you listeners are hearing it, this should be live and in full sprint.
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Meredith, tell us about what that is, would you? Sure.
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It's called GSL for Grow Strong Leaders, Skill Builder.
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And the focus is on two key areas of leadership, communication skills and what
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we call character skills. And as I talk about that, people kind of go, character skills.
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And we intentionally chose that phrase because often people think of character
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as something you have or you don't.
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And they don't necessarily think of it as really a composite of multiple sub-skills.
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Because character really is something just like communication skills can be developed over time.
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We can get stronger with our integrity, with our honesty, with so many things that add up to us.
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What kind of person am I in life? And those are so valuable, too.
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These are topics that Denny and I have been interested in for a very long time,
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and he just recently published, we recently published this book,
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we published our own books called Grow Strong Character.
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Oh, okay. And in it, he takes a set of 36 different skills organized in three chunks, if you will.
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Those related to self, those related to relationships, and those related to work ethic.
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But of course, there's overlap in them. But it helps to think of them sometimes
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in a discrete way so we can look at which areas am I already strong in?
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But where do I feel like, boy, if I up-leveled this particular aspect of myself,
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I would be more effective?
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I just want to lean into a point here. You know, you mentioned something about,
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you know, we think of character often as something that you have or you don't.
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And it's exhausting and to be candid, frustrating when I'm working with clients
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who ever utter the phrase, that's just who I am.
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I just want to tear my hair out and reach through the Zoom call and kindly.
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Gently put my hands around their throat and say, think through that again. Hold on.
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Because it implies that you're hard-coded and there's no changing,
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there's no evolving, there's no growth available there.
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Certainly, we have a predisposition based on our family group growing up or
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authority figures in our lives or different experiences we've had, to be sure.
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But these things, we can evolve into, we can grow, we can identify our blind spots.
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Will you say more to that in some of your experiences that have proven that
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little hypothesis? this is? Yeah, absolutely.
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In fact, listening to you, I just recently read a quote from Carol Dweck about
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fixed and growth mindset.
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And I don't have it in front of me right now, but I remember when I read it,
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I thought, oh my gosh, this parallels what we're saying about character in the
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same way. because in a fixed mindset, it's just what you said.
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I'm kind of, I am what I am. And that's just the way it is versus a growth mindset
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where I believe I'm capable of learning more. I'm capable of making changes.
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And that's really how we see character.
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It is something that can be molded and developed.
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And, you know, Dan, it's all about choices.
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Every morning, I spend time writing in a journal, creating myself for that day.
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I can make choices about who I'm going to be that day. And what it does is it grounds me.
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So, as an example, I am love. I am loving service to everyone I speak with.
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I speak possibility into everyone I talk to.
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I am creative. I am creating a masterpiece day.
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So when I build these kinds of thoughts into my brain, guess how I show up?
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I'm positive. I'm seeing myself as capable of creating whatever I want.
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And that's very different from someone who is saying, that's just the way I am.
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And what we can do with folks who tend to have that kind of thinking is just
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exploring with them, where does that thought come from?
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What in your experience has caused you to conclude that you're a finished product?
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Is this the necessary conclusion?
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Really? Yeah, that curiosity.
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Where's the curiosity element to learn, explore, grow? Yeah.
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Anybody who hasn't read that book from Carol Dweck called Mindset,
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put it on your reading list and push it towards the top if you've got a long reading list, as I do.
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I love the way you phrase that, Meredith. You get to create who you're going
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to be that day in your morning reflection or your journaling exercise.
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I've never heard it actually phrased that way, and that just really resonates with me.
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I really dig that. We can make declarations about ourselves and live into them.
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An example, one of my favorite declarations to make, and I write it just about
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every day, I am absolute calmness, clarity, and confidence.
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Well, guess how that serves me well? A number of years ago, I was doing a virtual
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webinar for people around the globe.
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Before my internet went out. Oh, no. And it was supposed to come back the next
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morning in time for this presentation, but I couldn't count on that because
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you know how that can go. Yes, ma'am.
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So I contacted the coordinator and let her know.
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I said, there's nothing to be served.
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when we start feeling pressure and stress.
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So I just got creative. How can we make this work?
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Well, I'd already sent her the slide deck. And so I said, I can use my phone
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without wifi connection, get data and just, you know, have her manage my slides.
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And that's exactly what we did. And so there's always a way if we allow ourselves to stay calm.
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And I find that that has served me incredibly well.
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I don't get angry very often because I just look at what price am I going to pay if I go there.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How is it going to serve me versus viewing the
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situation of how is this working for me?
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I think too often it's kind of parallel with that fixed mindset and the growth
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mindset is this idea of victim and owner.
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If I feel like things are happening to me, then I lose my sense of choice and
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ability to control myself and my own reactions in a given situation.
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Whereas if I take the owner mindset, it's like, okay, so here's the situation.
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I can't change it. Why am I going to curse at it or get frustrated by it?
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Instead, say, how can I work with this? What can I create from this? Yeah.
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The way you're speaking about that, you mentioned the left brain,
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right brain kind of orientation that you have and you like to work from.
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I'm very much the same way.
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Maybe it's the work that we do. We've got to talk to a very broad,
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diverse population of people in the services and products we provide them.
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And so we have to sort of be able to think from different perspectives.
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My point to that is the way you were talking about that calmness,
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that equanimity is something that I think can be.
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Is approached by a person very pragmatically through prudence of,
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you know, kind of the stoic approach of like, is this doing me any good?
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I can't control what happens to me, I can only control how I responded to it.
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And that's a very kind of traditionally thought of as a very pragmatic sort of approach.
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And I'm a big fan of stoicism in my own operating system and advocate it strongly for a lot of people.
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But you can also get kind of more into spiritual and almost esoteric approach
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to that for those who orient to the world that way.
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a Sharon Salzberg course right now on equanimity.
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And the lessons being taught in that are coming from kind of a spiritual type
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of place, if you will, and more esoteric sort of place.
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from pragmatism or kind of more internal, esoteric work on yourself,
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there's such a power to equanimity and calmness and maintaining composure.
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And remind me, I was fortunate enough to get an advanced copy of that Grow Strong
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character, which I was very grateful to be. Got it right here.
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There it is. Early release copy.
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Loved it and strongly recommend it for all of our listeners.
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And I don't recall, is equanimity kind of touched on or that calmness in there? Composure.
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Composure. Composure is one of the character strengths.
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Yeah, that's listed as one for self. Oh, yeah, there it is. I got a copy in
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front of me here. There it is. Composure.
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Number 11 on building a stronger self.
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That resource by the way is
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a very easy read not like
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dumbed down easy but easy in
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terms of its digestibility its relatability and
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so again just a shout out for that it's a terrific almost primer for the for
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the like you said the three categories on building a stronger self stronger
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relationships and a stronger work ethic i i love the way you guys have have
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broken that And I know it's Danny's book, but look,
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you guys have been working together for three decades.
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I'm sure you're of one mind in some ways. Yeah, I always have input into it.
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He's the one who just loves to write.
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That is who he is. Yeah. He is a writer by nature.
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And that's not my main calling.
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I'm a people person. I love being out there, being on the podcast and having
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my own podcast and having conversations with folks and writing.
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Just in terms of the structure, thank you for affirming that.
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He opens every chapter with a personal story that I think is very relatable.
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So many of the situations he has faced, we've all been in some kind of situation like that.
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And then giving a simple, clear definition of what is it we mean by composure,
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by self-discipline, by patience, by integrity, and then why that's important.
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Important and then looking at how can
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we make this real for us in our lives so giving
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very specific examples of
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ways you can practice this because with any
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skill whether it's a communication skill a
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character skill or a sports skill or
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a musical skill it's that practice practice practice so we We rewire our brain
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and that earlier way we did the thing gets set aside because now we've wired
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a stronger pathway that it becomes our more natural automatic way of doing things.
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But it does require the repetitions over time to form those strong circuits.
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Oh gosh, I have so much to say about that. The first one is the way you described
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how the book is written, kind of the structure and the format of it.
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There's a story, there's a definition, there's why this is important and what
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this looks like in the wild.
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I want all of our listeners, anybody who's a leader in any organization.
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Who forms their organizational values and my clients bear with me,
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you've heard this spiel from me numerous times, finding a way to communicate
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your organization's values in that way.
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A lot of values, you know, end up kind of on the corkboard in the break room
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and become these platitudes that everybody just forgets about,
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but bringing them alive with a story,
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something that connects to our humanity, a proper definition,
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because everybody might define responsibility or composure or any of those 36
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different character traits or your values.
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They may sort of bring their own definition to what that is.
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So we need a common definition.
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And then how will you recognize this in the wild? What would that look like?
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And so I just want to encourage all listeners, all leaders who want to see their team embody the values,
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apply the structure you'll find in that Grow Strong Character book to how you
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position your values to your team.
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I found in my work with clients for that to be kind of the game changer where
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values go beyond just sort of this compulsory document that we have to create
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because somebody told us we did.
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Rather they become the operating system for how our team leads you know their
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conduct in their lives yes.
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I love that you brought up values because one of the things that hit us,
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Dan, after we had created all the content, this new program was,
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oh my gosh, this program can serve as a way for people to grow themselves into
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the values that the company has adopted.
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Because so many of the elements that are built into our program,
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that are built into this book, like integrity, responsibility.
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Accountability, are often values that companies adopt.
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But what do they do to actually help people learn how to be those things? Exactly.
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to imagine if a company decided to get a copy of the book or get our program
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for lots of people in the company,
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and they They are rallying around certain of the character skills because they're
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tied into the values that the company has been promoting.
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And so they could get very creative about, all right, so integrity,
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just as an example, that's commonly a value among all companies.
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So what does that really mean for us?
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And what does that look like? And so complementing what we provide with bringing
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it to life in specific situations where people are interacting with each other
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inside the company or with clients and customers outside the company,
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you know, who are we in the world?
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And so that is, as individuals collectively,
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as we strengthen those specific values, then as a company we get stronger displaying
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those values in how we are, who we are in the world.
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Right. Oh my gosh. So well put. Okay.
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I'm going to get a little esoteric here and hopefully you and our listeners can follow here.
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But I feel like something that's just on my mind these days is the overlap and
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the difference, the compare and contrast between how we're being and what we're doing.
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It's a chicken an egg bit of an issue, but what we're doing reflects who we
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are and how we're being in the world just as much as how we're being and who
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we are shows up in our actions, right?
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It's kind of this perpetual cycle and a lift of either of those.
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One mechanism, if you will, contributes to the other.
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As you do, who am I going to create myself as today? How am I going to show up?
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That's about being. That's who you're going to be.
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Your actions, of course, are going to reflect that. And by the same token,
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you can make a tactical decision to say, I'm going to thank 10 people today for anything,
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something, some contribution that they've made, but I'm going to show my gratitude to 10 people today.
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That's a concrete, specific, practical, tactical action that one can take.
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And that contributes to who you're being as a gracious, grateful,
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appreciative, respected person as well, right? It's almost this flywheel of
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behavior that I think people sometimes think of as a little bit more binary.
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I'll have clients ask me, what do I need to do between now and our next call?
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And more than once, they've heard back from me, let me toss that back as a question to you.
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Who are you going to be for the next two weeks until we talk again?
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And that generally lets them answer their own question. Okay,
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what am I going to do between our calls?
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And if I pose it to them you tell me who you're going to be and let's go from there,
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I just love that, Dan. You are so right. I like to say I create my to-be list
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before I get into my to-do list. I love that.
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Because who I'm being affects how I do what I'm going to do. Yeah.
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We all have things we don't enjoy doing as much in our work.
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There's going to be those. And if I think of it as, I dread doing this,
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or this is going to be hard, if I come to it with that attitude,
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then I'm going to have some negative feelings as I'm doing it. It might be resentment.
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a lack of enjoyment to it because of how I've been thinking about it.
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Because that impacts what we do and how we do it.
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They are intertwined. But to me, looking at what place do I want to come from
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before I try to go somewhere,
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it's so much more effective if I take that. It doesn't have to require a lot of time.
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It's just thinking for a moment. For me, writing it out, speaking it has great powers.
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But for somebody else, maybe just thinking it is enough.
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But whatever it is, give some thought so you don't get into this automatic mode
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of jumping into do, do, do.
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And I have to say, I have been a heavy doer over my life. It's a high-achieving
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person, always driven to give my best, do my best.
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But I'm so much more effective when I take those few minutes to think about who am I going to be.
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It just opens up a whole new world.
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And it's something I have practiced enough time now that I know the benefits.
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And I'm not going to skip that step because it's an important part of my daily
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routine to help me get off on the right foot. And so I guess that's the question
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for each person to think about.
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What must I do for myself to make sure I show up the way I want to be today
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and not react to what happens?
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That ability to respond versus react, I think, is part of the power of creating yourself first.
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Yeah, a response is a more thoughtful, intentional response.
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And I have to use the word response. It's more thoughtful and intentional than a reaction.
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Reaction's almost the amygdala taking over and sort of just like,
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it's a panic response almost.
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Whereas a proper response, take some thought, consideration,
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taking a breath, a moment, counting to three, 10, whatever you need to count to. too.
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And I'll emphasize and just kind of take it a step further.
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The peace and the equanimity and the balance and composure, as we were talking
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about before, that it brings to you, don't think for a moment that those ripple
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effects aren't felt by everybody around you.
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So not only are you improving your own experience by going into the day being
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who you want to be and with the right attitude and all of that,
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but everybody around you is going to feel the effects of that.
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So you You get a more pleasant experience. They get a more pleasant experience, more fulfilling.
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00:34:51,454 --> 00:34:55,934
Everybody wins, huh? Oh, and guess what else I just thought of?
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This will be fun to talk about. Cool.
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We create other people too. How so?
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Well, because our interactions with them, we have drawn conclusions about them
447
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or we make assumptions about them that may have no basis in reality.
448
00:35:14,474 --> 00:35:24,274
Right, other than our story. We can decide, well, this person is negative, they're picky.
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Whatever it is that we judge them for, we are creating that in our own minds to be true about them.
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And yet, there's so much more to that person than we even know.
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And so if we choose to, we can create other people in our minds in a positive
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way and change the dynamic.
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You were so right about, yes, if we show up being who we want to be,
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that has a big impact on others, but so does creating them in a positive way in our minds.
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00:36:03,534 --> 00:36:07,674
Yeah. And so if we can bring that sense of appreciation,
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of honoring others just because they're another human being and let go of some
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of the, and I'll use the word judgments because we do this so easily and so quickly.
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Judge others based on not just appearance but you know labeling them this person
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is inconsiderate or you know they're they're rude they interrupt all these things
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that we say that create that person to us in our own minds.
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May not exist in the world except in our
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own story yeah you know there
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are these rare individuals that are so narcissistic
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you know wrapped up in themselves that aren't capable of hearing or changing
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that's rare it is in most situations we attribute negative intent you know negative
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motivation to people that may not be real or true.
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And I think when we, and I love that word generous, when we can be generous
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with others, they feel that difference.
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They feel that from us.
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And one of my favorite books,
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The Power of Awareness by Neville Goddard, it's
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kind of a a classic and he's the
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whole theme of it is is amazing in terms
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of your ability to visualize what you want
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one of the most compelling and memorable
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chapters for me was this very idea of in our minds we create somebody else so
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there was a woman who was a seamstress on broadway for plays And she was working
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with this, I think it was a director.
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That was just, she said, very critical of her.
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He just never thought she did anything right. And she would find herself on
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the way to work just creating arguments with him in her mind.
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If he says this, I'm going to say this.
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Just, you know, building up all this negativity. Just spinning out, yeah. Yeah.
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And so Neville Goddard says to her, all right, you're going to do something different.
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I want you to start using your imagination in a positive way and start imagining
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him praising your work and thanking you for doing such a good job.
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And just focus on these positive interactions that you will have.
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And so she started doing that in her free time, at night, whatever.
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And do you know the relationship changed over time? And it was because she changed.
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She started viewing him differently. She was bringing a whole different energy to their interactions.
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And he could sense that. You know, people feel our energy.
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And this is not woo-woo. We can tell when there's a negative vibe in a room. Oh, yeah.
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Than we think because we tend to label ourselves, we tend to label others,
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and it puts us in boxes and limits us in thinking about what's possible.
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What can we do to build something here instead of picking at each other?
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Yeah. I love the way you put that. I'm telling you, the show notes are going to be extensive here.
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I'm going to link to that. I actually have not read that book,
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Power of Awareness by Neville Goddard. I'll put that in the show notes as well,
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just on your recommendation.
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And to remind me to make sure I pick it up for my reading list,
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terrific insight on that one.
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I'll share a different one with you that has also very positive impact on someone else. Oh, please.
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This I learned from Dan Sullivan, who is the CEO of Strategic Coach. Strategic Coach, yeah.
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He and Joe Polish, they may still have this podcast, 10X Talk,
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but I probably heard this podcast episode 10 years ago.
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Oh, my gosh. And it struck me so deeply that it's just a part of what I bring
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to relationships now, too.
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00:40:54,318 --> 00:41:00,518
What Dan was saying is that he's fascinated by words and the word appreciate.
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He was checking this huge dictionary that he has, and it has two common meanings.
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One of them we think of as appreciate in value the way real estate might go
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up or gold or stocks, we hope.
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So it's that increasing in value. you.
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Another though is when, especially in battle, there would be scouts sent out
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to appreciate what the landscape was or what the enemy was doing.
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So appreciate as in realizing the importance of what's going on.
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Got it. And so what Dan did is he started looking at that in terms of other
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people and appreciating them.
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And so what he started doing, and this is something I don't do in every conversation,
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but I do it almost automatically now,
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is he would take a pencil and paper and before he had a meeting with someone,
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he would write down, what are eight or 10 things that I really value about this person?
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And so it was his way of preparing for that conversation so that when they walked
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in the door, he had this attitude of appreciation for them.
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The point of doing that was not to recite to the person the things he valued.
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Right, that gets gratuitous.
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It was to help him realize their importance to him and their value.
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Value so as a human being as a
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person as a contributor in his company or a client
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or whatever the relationship was it helped
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him elevate them the beauty of doing
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that and to me this is where it's just so powerful is
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it not only helps you appreciate that person the way you interact with them
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causes them to value themselves more highly as a result of talking to you and
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they rise to Because you praised them, but because of how you treated them,
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how you spoke with them, who you were being,
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in other words, with them in that moment.
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And so what a gift that is to be able to help someone else elevate their opinion of themselves.
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Right. So they feel more valuable to the world, but also in their own minds.
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Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh, that's so powerful. I almost just want to let that sit for a minute.
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I know. You know, it's worth pondering because we all have that capability to
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speak possibility into others,
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to speak in a way that helps them feel, and I'll use this word because we don't
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hear it in the workplace very often, but to help them feel cherished.
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We all want to know we matter. You know, the way you introduced me today,
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Dan, helped me feel cherished because you were so affirming of who I am.
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That kind of gift is something we have the ability to give others every day,
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whether it's our spouse, you know, our children, our parents,
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you know, our co-workers. Yeah, no matter what our role.
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Yeah, we have that ability, but it's what we're choosing to look at and see and focus on.
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If we're focused on their shortcomings, which we all have, then that's what
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we're going to be seeing, and that's what we're going to typically reflect back to them.
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Well, what if we were looking for the gold instead? Yeah.
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I would challenge our listeners to take a minute. Go ahead and feel free to pause. Come right back.
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Take a minute and reflect on when that has actually shown up for you.
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I can, it'd be oversharing, but I could think of probably three occasions or
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three relationships, rather, where when I've adjusted my perspective about that
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relationship and shown up, as you were describing,
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it's literally transformed the relationship with the person.
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I mean, just off the top of my head, I can think of some.
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I'll bet our listeners, like, think of the power that's in that shift in perspective
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and where else that could show up in your life.
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So there's a little challenge for you, listeners.
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See where it's worked and go and reapply that principle to maybe some other
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contexts in your life, because that's super powerful.
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Meredith, you talked about something in, prior to this podcast,
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you shared with me kind of a document, sort of a little origin story of Meredith
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Bell, which I really appreciate. I thought it was so lovely.
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I'd love to share it with everybody, but it's probably not appropriate in the
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context of the show notes.
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But it was just very illuminating about who you are. The point of this is,
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at one point in the story, you mentioned that at one point in your professional
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journey, before you began working with Denny, you found it to be lonely.
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And it's a topic that rarely comes up organically with my clients.
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But I do find that whenever I ask an explicit question about it of the people
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I get to work with, I have to say that loneliness and leadership is almost universal.
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And I wanted to bring that up because in that we as leaders want to provide that for our team,
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it's tough for us to get that as leaders because we don't necessarily have somebody
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that we directly report to that can help us with that as well.
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Do you have any thoughts about that?
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Yeah, I think it requires initiative, another character skill to reach out to
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find a tribe that you can connect with.
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It could be one other person, it could be a group, but there are so many online
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groups now that you can join or in-person groups.
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I think when you feel that loneliness, it's recognizing this is a natural thing that happens.
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It isn't because there's anything wrong with me.
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You know, so we don't get critical and withdraw even more and think,
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oh, I don't deserve to be with other people.
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You know, all these thoughts that can go through our head.
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Instead, I am seeking to connect with other people who are walking in my shoes,
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you know, maybe in another company or in a different division.
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Or where could I find other people who would understand what I'm experiencing
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right now and could offer support, encouragement, accountability,
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whatever it is that I need to help?
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I mean, having a coach like you is one option for folks that are,
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it depends where the, I guess the struggle is, what issue are they dealing with?
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But if they feel isolated and they simply need some colleagues or peers in similar
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kinds of roles that could bounce ideas off with and just share experiences,
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that to me is a really important aspect. Don't go it alone.
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00:48:28,643 --> 00:48:34,443
Yeah. There's no need to try to tough it up and do that. And I know over the
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years with Paula and Denny and me, we've really been amazing supports for each
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other and with each other over time.
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And it takes trust. That's the key.
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You need to trust the other person. They need to trust you.
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And so how quickly are you able to build trust with someone or a group that
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you would like to share experiences with?
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Without the trust, you won't be able to share the real stuff and your efforts
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to be seen and understood and sort of mitigate that loneliness are going to fall pretty flat.
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00:49:13,043 --> 00:49:17,623
Yeah, because I don't know. I think just inherently built in leadership,
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there is a component of potential loneliness that a lot of folks can feel out
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there. So just a few words.
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I love what you said. I think peer groups, masterminds, roundtables,
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whatever you want to call it, but getting together and assembling a group,
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that's kind of on my roadmap for 2024,
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maybe 2025, is putting something like that together, because I see it so prevalent with leaders.
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And for those folks who are.
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As you were describing, we want to go and help fill others' cups.
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It's really hard to do when ours is empty.
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And so it's just so vital to make sure that you're reaching out and finding
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the people that will fill your cup.
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And go through the exercises you described, you know, every morning or at some
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point in the day, being mindful of how you want to be and how you want to show up.
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But we do. We need that affirmation from others. Yeah.
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And I think there's also the possibility, or any listener who's a leader with
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a group of people on a team that you're working with, I think that they can
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serve as a support as well.
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Because I think sometimes leaders put pressure on themselves to be a certain
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way and be the answer person and, you know, not show what they think of as weakness
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by being vulnerable and open.
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And instead, be willing to say, hey, I'd really appreciate your help on this.
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Because, you know, most people love to be of help to other people.
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And so if the members of your team feel that you're turning to them for some answers,
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some insights, because they all have them, it's a matter of being asked that
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you show the interest, the curiosity.
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I would love to know what you do, when, and whatever the issue might be.
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And it does not diminish the leader's position in the eyes of their people.
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In fact, it enhances it. It's like when we do something wrong.
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Yeah. If we made a mistake and we're not willing to apologize.
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Then it builds up resentment.
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Instead of looking weak, which we often are afraid of doing when we admit we're wrong. Yeah.
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And apologize and try to make it right, people already know we're not perfect, you know?
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Many do, no matter how much you try and help it.
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Yeah, to try to put up this facade of, you know, I've got it all together,
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it builds barriers, it creates separation instead of creating bonds and connection
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that I think strengthen a team and it's performance.
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Obviously, you know, in business, our teams need to perform at a high level
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to accomplish the audacious goals that we set. Of course.
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And so when we step back and ask ourselves, what can I do to create an environment
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where people want to give their best?
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Part of it is this openness and open exchange between the leaders and the teams,
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this mutual respect that That we develop and have for each other so we actually
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have each other's backs.
652
00:52:38,375 --> 00:52:43,655
Yeah, yeah. When you have that sense that the people around you are there with
653
00:52:43,655 --> 00:52:49,735
you and support you instead of not being confident that they're going to not
654
00:52:49,735 --> 00:52:51,435
talk about you behind your back. Yeah.
655
00:52:51,995 --> 00:52:55,335
That's a whole different feel when you come into the workplace.
656
00:52:55,735 --> 00:53:02,575
Yeah. And in terms of your own spirit and your own willingness to put forth
657
00:53:02,575 --> 00:53:05,435
your best work. Yeah. Boy, I couldn't agree more.
658
00:53:05,535 --> 00:53:10,915
I'll even sharpen the pencil on that and identify the requirement of some level
659
00:53:10,915 --> 00:53:15,995
of healthy vulnerability in the relationships between you and your team as a
660
00:53:15,995 --> 00:53:17,835
leader. And again, healthy vulnerability.
661
00:53:19,635 --> 00:53:22,315
It's easy to kind of get a little squishy on the boundaries there,
662
00:53:22,355 --> 00:53:23,695
I think, in a professional context.
663
00:53:23,715 --> 00:53:30,675
So making sure that it remains in a professionally couched sort of context. Yeah.
664
00:53:31,247 --> 00:53:36,447
Being able to own up. I think humility is one of the character traits that we
665
00:53:36,447 --> 00:53:44,507
keep kind of going back to, to be able to own your stuff and allow people to see your humanness.
666
00:53:44,527 --> 00:53:46,967
And this has to be reciprocal.
667
00:53:47,267 --> 00:53:53,007
You can see and appreciate and accept and forgive them in their humanness and
668
00:53:53,007 --> 00:53:54,547
their mistakes that they may make.
669
00:53:54,607 --> 00:54:00,547
And when that goes both ways, I mean, think of the people in your life who you
670
00:54:00,547 --> 00:54:02,647
have the strongest bonds of trust with.
671
00:54:03,107 --> 00:54:06,627
I would challenge you, Meredith, or anybody else.
672
00:54:07,467 --> 00:54:11,947
I do my own thinking about this. And the people who I have the strongest bonds
673
00:54:11,947 --> 00:54:18,467
with, who I have the most real relationships with, they've seen me not so great.
674
00:54:18,627 --> 00:54:22,367
They've seen me in positions where I've messed up.
675
00:54:22,487 --> 00:54:29,427
Some of them have seen me straight up completely crash myself into a ditch and
676
00:54:29,427 --> 00:54:32,767
still love me, not just in spite of, but sometimes even because of.
677
00:54:33,007 --> 00:54:36,907
Those are the folks I have the strongest, most real bonds with,
678
00:54:37,027 --> 00:54:43,347
are the ones who we've shared vulnerabilities and known that there was a safe
679
00:54:43,347 --> 00:54:44,267
space to be able to do that.
680
00:54:44,787 --> 00:54:46,967
Yeah. Oh, it's so true.
681
00:54:47,767 --> 00:54:51,047
It's so true. And I mean, I think about Paul and Denny and me.
682
00:54:52,042 --> 00:54:57,542
This has not been, you know, an error-free relationship.
683
00:54:58,442 --> 00:55:01,322
You know, we've had our ups and downs. Yeah.
684
00:55:01,562 --> 00:55:06,642
But I think what has helped us over the years, and it's true for a good marriage
685
00:55:06,642 --> 00:55:11,282
or a good friendship, is that unshakable commitment to each other.
686
00:55:11,882 --> 00:55:17,262
That we can work through this no matter what. Oh, an unshakable commitment to each other.
687
00:55:17,382 --> 00:55:21,222
I love the way you said that. Well, when you think about it,
688
00:55:21,262 --> 00:55:27,262
so you say, you know, breaking up is not something we even consider, right?
689
00:55:27,362 --> 00:55:31,442
It's not in the cards. So as hard as it may be to have the conversation about
690
00:55:31,442 --> 00:55:36,842
whatever the conflict or, you know, tension is between us, we're going to do
691
00:55:36,842 --> 00:55:39,662
it. We share enough about each other.
692
00:55:39,782 --> 00:55:45,402
And I think that's where it requires that commitment, which is another character scale.
693
00:55:45,462 --> 00:55:52,062
That willingness to not just say I'm committed, but then to demonstrate you're committed over time.
694
00:55:52,162 --> 00:55:54,962
You don't bail when the going gets rough.
695
00:55:55,182 --> 00:56:01,082
You figure out what are we going to do? And I think it's all based on this foundation
696
00:56:01,082 --> 00:56:05,182
of trust, respect, and honestly, love.
697
00:56:05,342 --> 00:56:12,182
You have to really deeply care about the other person to follow through with
698
00:56:12,182 --> 00:56:15,042
doing what's tough, even in the moment.
699
00:56:15,242 --> 00:56:19,562
Yeah. Because I don't want to give the impression that I've got it all together.
700
00:56:19,602 --> 00:56:24,422
I'm still learning and growing. But I've learned a lot over the years,
701
00:56:24,482 --> 00:56:30,782
so I'm at a place where I don't question my value, let's say.
702
00:56:30,962 --> 00:56:32,842
Am I worthy? Yes, I am worthy.
703
00:56:34,902 --> 00:56:41,722
There's fundamental things that I've established for myself, but I still have doubts.
704
00:56:41,742 --> 00:56:47,282
I still question, is this the right thing? And it's just trusting my intuition
705
00:56:47,282 --> 00:56:51,262
and having that commitment to figure out.
706
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:57,850
Because I know innately we each have the capability to work through whatever
707
00:56:57,850 --> 00:57:00,470
life throws at us as a challenge.
708
00:57:00,470 --> 00:57:05,350
Yeah, 100%. And I know one of the strengths of what you guys work on at GSL
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00:57:05,350 --> 00:57:07,590
is in communication and communication skills.
710
00:57:07,790 --> 00:57:14,370
I would almost position that as like a vehicle for showing all those things
711
00:57:14,370 --> 00:57:17,950
you just mentioned a moment ago, the respect, the compassion, the commitment.
712
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:22,350
I feel like communication, maybe you see it differently. Communication almost
713
00:57:22,350 --> 00:57:25,330
feels like the vehicle for the conveyance of all of that stuff.
714
00:57:25,810 --> 00:57:29,450
Right? Would you put it differently? Yeah, I love that.
715
00:57:29,650 --> 00:57:33,690
And that's why we're excited to have the character tied in with communication
716
00:57:33,690 --> 00:57:38,490
because there's so much, you know, intertwining of those.
717
00:57:38,590 --> 00:57:42,190
Right, right. None of these are mutually exclusive. No, no.
718
00:57:42,670 --> 00:57:47,930
When you think of empathy as a character skill, the ability to really,
719
00:57:47,970 --> 00:57:53,390
you know, stand in another person's shoes and really understand what they're
720
00:57:53,390 --> 00:57:57,650
experiencing, that to me is so related to listening.
721
00:57:57,650 --> 00:58:01,630
Listening because in order to be empathetic with
722
00:58:01,630 --> 00:58:04,950
someone we have to be able to hear them we have
723
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:07,990
to be curious we have to be willing to not
724
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:11,010
put in our opinion our judgments our advice
725
00:58:11,010 --> 00:58:17,670
and just be with that person in that moment yeah and hear them so yeah there's
726
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:24,650
we separate them just as a way to you know talk about them discreetly but the
727
00:58:24,650 --> 00:58:28,050
reality is everything is connected. Yeah. Yeah.
728
00:58:29,090 --> 00:58:34,330
With an emphasis on communication, where are some places that you see organizationally,
729
00:58:34,330 --> 00:58:37,450
I'm kind of getting into the nuts and bolts here of organizational communications.
730
00:58:37,890 --> 00:58:41,190
Where are some of the places that you see communication just go sideways?
731
00:58:41,490 --> 00:58:47,290
Some of the most common places and maybe follow that up with sort of a compound
732
00:58:47,290 --> 00:58:52,090
question here, follow that up with what are the most effective remedies to keep
733
00:58:52,090 --> 00:58:53,510
those things from going into a ditch?
734
00:58:54,536 --> 00:59:00,856
Oh, I've got so many that just popped into my head. So I'll go through as many as I can.
735
00:59:00,976 --> 00:59:06,936
So the first one I would say is listening because too often we think we're good
736
00:59:06,936 --> 00:59:08,796
listeners and we're not.
737
00:59:08,896 --> 00:59:13,256
We're distracted by exterior things going on around us.
738
00:59:13,376 --> 00:59:15,736
We're distracted by our own thoughts.
739
00:59:16,216 --> 00:59:23,936
And so for a person to give undivided attention to the individual in front of
740
00:59:23,936 --> 00:59:26,876
them is rare and cherished.
741
00:59:27,036 --> 00:59:32,236
I mean, that to me is one of the things, if you started just doing this one
742
00:59:32,236 --> 00:59:38,176
thing every day, is giving your full attention to the person who is speaking with you.
743
00:59:38,276 --> 00:59:42,996
Even if it's somebody you've worked with or lived with for a number of years
744
00:59:42,996 --> 00:59:47,996
and you think, oh, I've heard most of what they want, what they've said, baloney.
745
00:59:48,276 --> 00:59:53,696
If you look at them as, again, end, listening for the gold.
746
00:59:54,196 --> 00:59:57,596
It's amazing what can happen in that relationship.
747
00:59:57,776 --> 01:00:02,316
God, that's only been exacerbated with our devices that we have with us all the time. Absolutely.
748
01:00:02,696 --> 01:00:06,776
Putting the phones down, getting them out of sight.
749
01:00:07,296 --> 01:00:11,596
So that to me is one thing. If you're the leader and you have somebody that
750
01:00:11,596 --> 01:00:17,376
comes to talk to you and you're able to, in that moment, give them your attention,
751
01:00:17,696 --> 01:00:19,096
I think that's a key thing.
752
01:00:19,216 --> 01:00:23,216
Sometimes we pretend that we're giving them our attention, but we've got this
753
01:00:23,216 --> 01:00:28,396
other project we were just working on and that got interrupted and we're not fully with them.
754
01:00:28,556 --> 01:00:31,656
And so I think it's a part of respecting the other person.
755
01:00:31,696 --> 01:00:35,076
If somebody comes to you to talk about something and it's not a good time for
756
01:00:35,076 --> 01:00:38,556
you and you know you can't give them your full attention,
757
01:00:38,876 --> 01:00:44,496
then to just say, I need 10 minutes, I need an hour, whatever period of time
758
01:00:44,496 --> 01:00:49,736
it is, in order to be able to be fully with you when you have this conversation.
759
01:00:49,936 --> 01:00:53,736
Being honest with people, I think, is really critical.
760
01:00:53,936 --> 01:01:00,256
The other thing with listening is monitor how much you interrupt or finish people's sentences.
761
01:01:01,676 --> 01:01:05,956
And I'll give you a specific example, because Denny and Paula and I have run
762
01:01:05,956 --> 01:01:08,016
into this with each other over the years.
763
01:01:08,536 --> 01:01:12,256
Denny was the one that was probably the worst at it, and he would admit that
764
01:01:12,256 --> 01:01:13,796
himself, out of interrupting.
765
01:01:14,316 --> 01:01:19,596
And so we thought, all right, how can we help him improve in this area without
766
01:01:19,596 --> 01:01:21,856
jumping down his throat every time he does it?
767
01:01:22,036 --> 01:01:29,056
So we came up with, when we were in person or on video, just holding up our hand like a stop sign.
768
01:01:29,576 --> 01:01:34,076
And that would be a visual cue for him, oh, I was interrupting.
769
01:01:34,396 --> 01:01:38,806
But what the three of us do on a regular basis, especially when we're having
770
01:01:38,806 --> 01:01:42,246
creative conversations where one person says something and the other gets the
771
01:01:42,246 --> 01:01:46,006
idea and jumps in and we just say, I wasn't done yet.
772
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:51,480
Or, please let me finish. And, of course, the tone of voice you use is really
773
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,220
important in those moments. Isn't it? That's an unverbal word,
774
01:01:54,220 --> 01:01:55,440
yeah. Please let me finish.
775
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:03,660
I wasn't done yet. Then that kind of defeats the purpose of helping the person become more aware.
776
01:02:04,220 --> 01:02:08,480
Because what we're, and again, it's where am I coming from? I'm coming from
777
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:15,620
a place of helping this person understand how their current pattern of behavior
778
01:02:15,620 --> 01:02:18,980
is getting in the way of clear communication.
779
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:25,440
So having a conversation, let's say you've gotten a 360 feedback report or some
780
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:30,520
other feedback where somebody points out something you're doing that's creating a problem.
781
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:37,660
Well, we could get defensive and justify and explain it. And this gets into
782
01:02:37,660 --> 01:02:42,360
another area of communication where people get in trouble. It's this whole idea of receiving feedback.
783
01:02:43,140 --> 01:02:47,940
This is where, to me, humility comes in. If I recognize I'm not perfect,
784
01:02:48,140 --> 01:02:51,540
people know what I'm doing that's getting in the way.
785
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:55,020
So give it to me, right? Let me have it.
786
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,960
They're not always going to be delivering it in the best possible way, right?
787
01:03:00,060 --> 01:03:04,920
Most of us never learned how to give feedback appropriately or how to receive it.
788
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,580
But if I'm a leader and somebody is coming to me with a concern,
789
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:14,480
the best thing I can do is start listening and then after they are done,
790
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:19,920
say thank you and avoid getting into that defending, justifying,
791
01:03:19,980 --> 01:03:21,360
explaining the behavior.
792
01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:26,680
Here's why I did that and here's why I was right because that's where it's all coming from is our ego.
793
01:03:26,860 --> 01:03:32,860
I want to be right. And if we can set that aside and be a humble learner in
794
01:03:32,860 --> 01:03:39,040
that moment, and then apologize and say, I apologize or I'm sorry,
795
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:40,820
I had no idea I was doing that.
796
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:44,120
Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention.
797
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:48,660
And here's the magic part, is asking for their help.
798
01:03:49,648 --> 01:03:56,088
For you to get better. Boy, that's almost the cake, not the frosting. I love that one a lot.
799
01:03:56,328 --> 01:04:02,668
It is because that tells them, I'm taking what you said seriously and I want
800
01:04:02,668 --> 01:04:06,288
to engage you in my own growth and development.
801
01:04:06,848 --> 01:04:14,608
So when you see me do this and then you can get creative, what would be a way that you could help me?
802
01:04:14,768 --> 01:04:18,968
Maybe in a meeting, you tend to call on certain people and ignore others.
803
01:04:19,648 --> 01:04:23,948
So in a meeting, you could have this person say, hey, we haven't heard from Sue yet.
804
01:04:24,248 --> 01:04:29,748
You know, those kinds of things that are supportive of the new behavior and
805
01:04:29,748 --> 01:04:33,268
not, oh, you forgot to call on Sue again. Right. Right.
806
01:05:02,128 --> 01:05:03,708
Their attention to get them to consciously think, oh yeah, he has,
807
01:05:03,728 --> 01:05:06,688
or she has been making an effort in that area.
808
01:05:08,391 --> 01:05:12,851
It communicates to that person, I value your opinion.
809
01:05:13,111 --> 01:05:19,611
I listened to what you said. So again, it's a way of elevating their value in their own.
810
01:05:19,931 --> 01:05:24,051
I love that. So the listening piece as a fundamental for communication,
811
01:05:24,071 --> 01:05:26,211
probably step one, and I wholeheartedly agree.
812
01:05:26,351 --> 01:05:30,891
I want to punctuate something the way you kind of described that whole process.
813
01:05:31,271 --> 01:05:34,711
And it calls back to the being and doing
814
01:05:34,711 --> 01:05:38,091
in simultaneous synergy with
815
01:05:38,091 --> 01:05:41,171
each other that yes you're
816
01:05:41,171 --> 01:05:44,211
showing them that you value them their
817
01:05:44,211 --> 01:05:46,931
feedback their opinion that you're listening that they're
818
01:05:46,931 --> 01:05:53,011
important in that way you're that's who you're being and obviously very important
819
01:05:53,011 --> 01:05:59,631
but let's not forget the value of what you're doing is you're you're that that
820
01:05:59,631 --> 01:06:04,871
information that you're going to get that tactically speaking can be absolutely invaluable.
821
01:06:05,911 --> 01:06:10,031
They're pointing out the things that might be impeding productivity or morale
822
01:06:10,031 --> 01:06:13,991
or efficiencies or quality somewhere in the company.
823
01:06:14,131 --> 01:06:16,471
Like the data itself is valuable.
824
01:06:17,331 --> 01:06:20,891
And I think that's where actually a lot of leaders will get stuck is like,
825
01:06:21,011 --> 01:06:26,351
there's no data that they can contribute to this conversation that would be new information to me.
826
01:06:26,451 --> 01:06:29,591
And so they're not gonna necessarily take the time to listen.
827
01:06:29,591 --> 01:06:35,211
And they're forgetting that other, at least equally as valuable component of,
828
01:06:35,391 --> 01:06:41,671
yeah, but if I can show up as someone who is available to their suggestions,
829
01:06:41,871 --> 01:06:44,431
who is willing to listen, who values them,
830
01:06:44,651 --> 01:06:46,991
now you're being somebody different as well.
831
01:06:47,111 --> 01:06:50,091
You're doing and being both. You're going to get really valuable data,
832
01:06:50,191 --> 01:06:54,971
and you're going to get your team respecting you and caring more about your
833
01:06:54,971 --> 01:06:58,051
vision and the values that you're trying to embody in your organization.
834
01:06:58,871 --> 01:07:04,451
And, you know, another piece of all of this is, and you mentioned this word earlier, forgiveness.
835
01:07:05,491 --> 01:07:09,351
The willingness to let go of past hurts, pains.
836
01:07:09,931 --> 01:07:14,311
Part of our pain comes from the stories we tell ourselves about the person's
837
01:07:14,311 --> 01:07:19,591
intent, you know, what they did, why they did it, and we just conjure up all these things.
838
01:07:19,591 --> 01:07:24,931
And so we carry these resentments with us over time, and it eats away at us.
839
01:07:25,131 --> 01:07:29,631
It's really not impacting that other person typically, but it does take a toll
840
01:07:29,631 --> 01:07:35,511
on us and that willingness to let go of those things and be willing to forgive
841
01:07:35,511 --> 01:07:37,051
others quickly and easily.
842
01:07:37,051 --> 01:07:45,671
Because we assume innocent intent or positive intent on what they did.
843
01:07:45,771 --> 01:07:49,291
We don't assume they were out to get me, embarrass me, make me look bad.
844
01:07:49,431 --> 01:07:51,611
All these things that we just create.
845
01:07:52,746 --> 01:07:55,786
And our beliefs about others and why they do things.
846
01:07:55,866 --> 01:08:04,286
And instead, the quicker we can learn to forgive and let go of those kinds of things with others,
847
01:08:04,606 --> 01:08:11,806
the more they're likely to reciprocate and forgive us of things that we do because we aren't perfect.
848
01:08:11,866 --> 01:08:19,546
We're going to make mistakes. And so that, and I think part of this whole thing related to feedback,
849
01:08:19,726 --> 01:08:24,346
forgiveness, when we've said or done something that was painful for another
850
01:08:24,346 --> 01:08:26,506
person and we get feedback about it,
851
01:08:26,646 --> 01:08:32,986
besides thanking them and apologizing, I think it's so important to ask if it
852
01:08:32,986 --> 01:08:35,006
makes sense for that situation.
853
01:08:35,446 --> 01:08:37,106
What can I do to make it right?
854
01:08:38,126 --> 01:08:41,946
Because this is how we rebuild trust. That helps them forgive as well.
855
01:08:42,806 --> 01:08:46,086
Yeah. What can I do to make it right? Because you're saying,
856
01:08:46,166 --> 01:08:52,726
I recognize what I did was hurtful to you or embarrassing or whatever it was,
857
01:08:52,806 --> 01:08:56,706
the negative impact that it had on the person. How can I make it right?
858
01:08:57,086 --> 01:09:03,346
So that they know you're serious about wanting to repair the relationship.
859
01:09:03,766 --> 01:09:07,906
Yeah. The topic we're in the middle of right now, I feel like we're We're like
860
01:09:07,906 --> 01:09:11,366
almost over our heads on the subject around communication.
861
01:09:11,786 --> 01:09:15,386
It's so, there's so much. So people spend their lives, many people spend their
862
01:09:15,386 --> 01:09:20,086
lives breaking it down and kind of understanding all the different components of it.
863
01:09:20,126 --> 01:09:23,426
You have your own book, Meredith, Connect With Your Team is the title, I believe.
864
01:09:23,526 --> 01:09:27,506
Do you go into some of these fundamentals around communication in that book,
865
01:09:27,566 --> 01:09:30,486
Connect With Your Team? Yeah, Denny and I co-authored that book. Okay.
866
01:09:30,646 --> 01:09:35,206
And we have 10 core communication skills. We just touched on some of them,
867
01:09:35,306 --> 01:09:39,506
but we have three different chapters on feedback, appreciation or positive feedback,
868
01:09:39,846 --> 01:09:44,346
giving constructive feedback, and receiving constructive feedback.
869
01:09:44,686 --> 01:09:48,946
In fact, we call it receiving feedback graciously. I love that.
870
01:09:50,189 --> 01:09:54,089
So I would recommend that for anyone that wants to up-level their communication
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skills because it's very practical.
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We give some sample dialogues of when it doesn't look good and here's how it looks when done well.
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And getting buy-in is another important aspect of communication.
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How do you get people to say, yeah, we want to do that instead of this.
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Asking questions so people learn to think for themselves. That's another area
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where too many leaders feel the pressure to give all the answers when,
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in fact, people on your team are eager to think for themselves.
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They just need the opportunity to do it. They need the opportunity,
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the permission, the appreciation for that.
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Yeah. Not even like, not even the accolades just to be heard and seen and understood and valued.
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I have to confess, I haven't read Connect with your team yet.
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And I'm excited to because, I mean, for a whole abundance of reasons,
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just because it comes kind of from you and your experiences and co-authored with Denny, but...
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Based on the conversation today, clearly there's a lot more depth in that that we can talk to.
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I love that you offer kind of like examples of what those conversations might
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sound like in my work with clients.
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Oftentimes we can talk about the fundamentals of it, but they really have a
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hard time kind of populating those ideas with their own voice.
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You know, they're afraid I'm going to sound like Meredith Bell if I do this.
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And right, I'm going to sound like my coach. And that's not them.
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It's going to come off as disingenuous and kind of contrived and false and ugh.
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And so, yeah, and connect with your team, your book. I love that you have some
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samples of what that might sound like.
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Yeah we we knew there are lots of books out
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there that are more conceptual and we wanted
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something that was a practical guide so it's
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very concrete about you know again what
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is this how do you recognize the moment when you could use this skill what kind
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of mindset do you need in approaching the situation and then what specifically
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can you do to be effective perspective in either giving feedback or encouraging
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others to think for themselves, whatever it is.
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And those sample dialogues, I think, really help bring it to life. Yeah.
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Because they're real types of conversations that people relate to.
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Yeah. Two other books that I know of that do that really well.
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One of them is Crucial Conversations by the team of that organization.
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And another one by an author, Jonathan Raymond, And he wrote something called
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Good Authority, where there's a lot of good examples of real dialogue and what that might sound like.
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And, you know, you're going to need to overlay your own voice into that,
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like I was emphasizing, so that it's really coming authentically from you and
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not from this cool new leadership book you just discovered. Yeah.
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And I love that, you know, kind of wrapping this all up with the word authentic,
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because all the things we've been talking about, if you're coming from this
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place of who you want to be, and then you show up that way, that is true authenticity.
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Authenticity. Yeah, yeah.
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You know, we've talked a lot today about conceptual and bigger picture things
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and a few practical tips, but can you give listeners a few things that they
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could do, you know, really starting today to get some traction on their own
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leadership development?
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And we're always looking for quick wins that motivate and inspire us and put
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fuel in our tank for the long game, because it is a long game, a lot of this stuff.
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What are some immediate, like starting today?
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All right. I can imagine with those daily affirmations or sort of choices that
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you're making, how you're going to show up. That's a biggie.
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What else? Yeah. Yeah. I think one of the things that pops in my head that leaders
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deal with all the time is people coming to them with questions.
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What should I do here? And I would say a quick thing somebody could start doing
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is simply adopt this one question to ask in response to anybody coming to you
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with a question. Well, what do you think?
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And you can use variations of that. What have you thought about so far?
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What options are you considering?
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What are the pros and cons of the different options?
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Just so you want, it's sort of like parenting with children.
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You want them to eventually grow up to be an independent adult that's relying
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on you for answers and for money.
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So for people on your team, if they're constantly coming to you with questions,
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that probably is a signal that they don't feel safe making decisions on their
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own and you've created a dependence of them on you.
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And so if you can start asking that question,
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what do you think, or some version of it, you're going to start getting people
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to think independently and eventually they will feel comfortable playing with
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ideas themselves and or doing a lot of that
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pre-thinking before they ever come to you so that maybe they're making a recommendation
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to you instead of asking you for the answer.
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And I think that is a huge win if leaders do that on a regular basis because
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you want to build strong people.
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And a part of that is people that can think for themselves and make good decisions.
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So giving them that opportunity is huge and it can start with something very
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simple, like a question.
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And I'll just point to the practical benefit of that is, so many clients I work
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with just bemoan how their people are so needy that they have to involve themselves in everything.
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And it's like, well, how much have you cultivated that as the environment?
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Like you could completely derail that whole pernicious cycle by.
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Like you said, just asking them, well, what do you think you should do? What have you tried?
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Yeah. And, you know, tying in with that, another quick win, Dan,
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might be if you're finding yourself feeling agitated or aggravated about a situation,
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and your first thought is, why is this happening to me?
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Why am I having to work with these people? Or whatever it is.
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Instead, to start asking, how have I contributed to this situation?
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You know, what's been my role in the results I'm seeing here?
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Like you were just saying, the example of a needy, needy people.
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Well, that doesn't just happen.
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It's, yeah, so taking that owner, ownership, I own this, I take responsibility for my role in this.
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And it's not so you start blaming yourself or feel bad about yourself.
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It's looking at it in a creative way.
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What can I do to alter this so that it runs in a more effective,
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positive way that serves me and the people around me? Yeah.
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So I think that's really a key thing that leaders often have a blind spot about
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because it's it's it's easier to look at outside of you and say,
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well, if only this person would change it, only this family,
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I didn't have this person on my team or if only I didn't have the boss that I've got.
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So what can you do to create positive out of whatever it is you're seeing?
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Because I promise the way you're thinking about it is having a big impact on
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how you're behaving in those situations.
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If there's a question that is the most predominant one that I ask in my work
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with clients, it's probably exactly that, Meredith, is what are you doing to
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contribute to this situation?
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So I think it's super helpful for leaders to ask.
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To pose that question to themselves, again, honestly and humbly and maybe get
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feedback from others because it's your blind spot because it's your blind spot.
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So you're probably not going to be able to instantly recognize what that is. Yeah.
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Yeah. And a third thing would be being willing to go to people that work with
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you on a one-on-one and just say, it's one thing I could do better.
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Or what's one thing I could do to make your experience working with me better? Wow.
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Ooh, I love that little tweak to that question.
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Because that's different. What can I do better is like, oh.
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That's pretty broad. But if it's my experience with you, now that's different.
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I know where the friction is there.
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And then also framing it in advance to say, you know, I really want to work
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on being a more effective leader.
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So letting them know the why. The context. So you're not just asking this question
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out of the blue. It's like, where's that coming from?
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And I don't know if I can be honest. All right, what book did you read this week? Yeah, exactly.
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So to frame it in a way that people feel more invited and there won't be negative
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repercussions if they're responding in an honest way.
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And even say, yeah, even, you know, give it some thought and maybe later today
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or even tomorrow, let me know what you think.
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01:19:11,738 --> 01:19:15,938
I'm not trying to put you on the spot in this moment, but I really want to be
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a more effective leader.
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And I'd love to know, what does that look like for you? Yeah.
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I love that. You know, oh my gosh, we covered so much today.
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Trying to get a concise summary of what we covered today is going to be a challenge for sure.
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But I'd like to maybe wrap it up with this. You told me before about a guiding
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principle that served you well over the years, and I want to share it with our
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01:19:40,805 --> 01:19:44,605
listeners to see if you can expound on a little bit to wrap this up.
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You said it was from the book, The Prosperous Coach by Steve Chandler and Rich
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01:19:47,665 --> 01:19:50,185
Litvin, which is a fantastic Fantastic book, by the way.
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And it says, how can I serve this person so powerfully that they never forget
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our conversation for the rest of their life?
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That just rings so true for me, and I love it.
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I mean, we could just end it there, because I think it exemplifies the way you show up, Meredith.
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But do you have any parting thoughts about that sentiment? Thank you.
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That is a perfect way for us to pull the threads together, I think.
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Because what this means, what it meant to me, it jumped out at the page and it just stuck with me.
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Because am I showing up in a way that helps the person feel valued?
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And am I focused on...
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In about our product as opposed to getting to
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know someone and being genuinely curious and interested in
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01:20:48,125 --> 01:20:51,185
them and asking questions that maybe nobody's ever
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01:20:51,185 --> 01:20:56,845
taken the time to ask them and kind of challenging their thinking in a kind
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01:20:56,845 --> 01:21:05,525
way but in a you know a direct way so that they start evaluating all in the
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01:21:05,525 --> 01:21:10,905
spirit of elevating them right so they feel valued that kind of conversation,
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they'll remember because they unfortunately are rare.
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Agreed. They don't happen that often. And as opposed to somebody is not going
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to remember for the rest of their life a conversation where I'm talking about myself all the time.
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Or your product. Exactly. But if I'm engaged in them from a spirit of curiosity,
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then one of Steve Chandler's other books that I love called How to Get Clients,
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he has a chapter in there on curiosity.
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And what he says there ties into me with this other quote.
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And that is, if I come from a
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spirit of really wanting to understand this person, what is felt is love.
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01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:56,070
When somebody feels loved by another
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human being they're going to remember that
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that's pretty memorable and noteworthy yeah and i
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have a goal for that to
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be less rare in this world and i
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think so that so that we have to even elevate beyond
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that so they're not that in itself doesn't make
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it memorable and you are such force in the spirit of that meredith and and like
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i said at the top of the call and all of my interactions with you have just
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01:22:25,330 --> 01:22:29,630
been from that place of generosity that I feel very fortunate to have come to
1041
01:22:29,630 --> 01:22:33,450
know you a bit and hope to continue the conversation as well.
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01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:38,650
Thank you so much, Dan. I've loved our conversation today and I'm grateful you
1043
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had me on your show. Well, thank you.
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And as we depart here briefly, like I said, by the time this airs, it will be live.
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It will be in the show notes, but where can folks go? Quick access, one click.
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Where can we go, Meredith, to learn more about Grow Strong Leaders?
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Website. Our website is growstrongleaders.com.
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And on that site, you'll find out about our 360, about GSL Skill Builder,
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01:23:04,810 --> 01:23:06,310
the new program, about my podcast,
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01:23:06,610 --> 01:23:10,190
which also is called Grow Strong Leaders, where I interview leaders,
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01:23:10,350 --> 01:23:16,270
just as you do, who are making an impact either inside their organizations or
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people like you that are helping.
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Organizations to grow. So that's the core place is growstrongleaders.com.
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Awesome. I actually have here, and regrettably, I did not ask you about that podcast.
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Will you just give a little pitch about what that's about a little bit more? Oh, sure.
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I started it, believe it or not, it's five years ago this month in June of 2019.
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I I started it. And my goal has been to really highlight the positive work leaders
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are doing in their organizations.
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Our whole thrust is growing strong leaders. We believe they can continue to grow.
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And so I interview people who have been focused on their own growth and development as leaders,
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and also helping the people on their team or in their entire company to grow
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so they can achieve what they're capable of achieving and build a culture where people thrive.
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They love coming to work because they're living the values they are bringing
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to life every day through their interactions with each other, with their clients,
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with the community at large in a positive way, having an impact with what they're doing.
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So I love being able to highlight like the good work that other folks are doing in this world.
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01:24:37,111 --> 01:24:43,291
Fantastic. Boy, are we aligned there. The leverage and the ripple effects of leadership in that way.
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It's why season two is the focus, whereas your whole dang podcast is based on
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that. Your entire career is on growing strong leadership.
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So I deeply appreciate the value you brought to our listeners today.
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Links will be in the show notes where you can get more information about Grow
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01:24:58,991 --> 01:25:01,871
Strong Leaders and about Meredith and the tremendous work that they've been
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doing and the people that they've helped and want to thank you for listening today.
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Mara, thank you again for joining us today. Thank you, Dan.
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We at Best Self Coaching hope you got all that you came here for from today's episode.
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01:25:19,151 --> 01:25:20,891
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01:25:34,431 --> 01:25:38,151
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01:25:38,591 --> 01:25:42,211
Your business should serve your life. So let us help you get there from here
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01:25:42,211 --> 01:25:44,531
because nobody should do this on their own.
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Music.