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This week, Chris talks to Vera Zamagni, Professor of Economic History at the University of Bologna, Senior Associate Fellow at Johns Hopkins University’s SAIS Europe, and a former Vice President of the Emilia-Romagna regional government.
Since 1948, Article 45 of Italy’s constitution has recognised the social function of cooperation, and no government since has legislated against it. In Emilia-Romagna, that helped build an economy where more than 3,600 cooperatives sit alongside a dense network of small, export-focused private firms — Vera says cooperatives now account for up to a fifth of the regional economy once you include the firms they control.
In this conversation: the historical roots of the Emilian model, whether cooperatives and small private business can coexist with capitalism, whether any of this can travel beyond Italy, and why Vera believes the greatest threat to the cooperative model today isn’t politics — it’s artificial intelligence.
CHAPTERS 00:00 Cold open 00:58 The Cooperative Economy of Emilia-Romagna 02:15 The Historical Context of Italian Cooperatives 05:55 The Roots of the Emilian Model 11:21 The Scale of Cooperative Italy Today 16:32 Can Cooperatives Keep Growing? 22:00 Cooperatives and Capitalism: Is Coexistence Possible? 26:08 Can the Model Travel Beyond Italy? 31:45 Resisting the AI Tsunami 33:54 Britain’s Identity Crisis and the Anglo-Saxon Trap 38:44 Culture Before Everything: Growing Co-ops Without the Italian Foundations 47:08 Italy’s Constitutional Shield 50:32 Building from Below: The New York Childcare Experiment 56:41 Cooperation Among Cooperatives: Italy’s Networked Model
Full show notes, chapters and further reading: https://content.changingthenarrative.media/written-into-the-constitution-how-italy-nurtures-and-protects-its-co-ops
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