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Speaker 1: 6.30 on a Friday. Love this time. IntrustIT.com. Sponsors of the Tech Friday with Dave Hatter segment. Dave's company, employee-owned and the best in the business. According to the business courier for business, computer needs, you are in the best hands with Dave and the crew on the job. Dave Hatter, welcome back, my friend. Thank you for sponsoring the segment. It's very informative, and you've kept me out of a lot of trouble over the years.
00:00:22
Speaker 2: My pleasure, Brian. Always good to be here. Hopefully we're doing some good out there.
00:00:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are definitely. And I don't have a list. I look for the topic list, which you said you had forwarded over. I can't find it, so I'm flying blind, but I've got you there, and I know you're going to do a great job introing the topics and talking about them. So let's do that.
00:00:38
Speaker 2: Yeah. All right. No problem. Check your Gmail. See if it made it there. But anyhow, let's start out with this story.
00:00:46
Speaker 1: Do you want to say a word about me having a Gmail account, Dave?
00:00:51
Speaker 2: Well, you know I'm not a fan of Google, and I don't use Gmail myself, but hey, you know, to each his own, right? Although I will tell you, Brian, and maybe we'll just go off script here for a second, this would be a good opportunity for your listeners to, if you're using Gmail, okay, anytime you're using a free product, you are the product, not the customer. Right. They're collecting your data. Now, I'm not saying that's necessarily nefarious, but reminder that that there are these big tech companies who their entire product is you and the data they're collecting from you. You don't have to take my words where people can go out and on their own see what privacy-friendly organizations like EFF and so forth say about these things.
00:01:36
Speaker 1: You brought this up many, I hope everybody listening on this goes, yeah, you've told us this already, Dave. I mean, that's what they do. They collect your data. So basically you're telling me Gmail's doing the same damn thing.
00:01:47
Speaker 2: Well, yes.
00:01:47
Speaker 1: There you go.
00:01:49
Speaker 2: This is one of the things that Google is most known for. So there are other much more privacy-friendly options out there. I switched from Gmail to ProtonMail probably almost six years ago now. ProtonMail is one of many good services that are more privacy-friendly. Proton is in Switzerland. There's a whole bunch of reasons. And again, you go out there and the audience can do your own research on this. But I've been using ProtonMail for a while. There is a free entry level. It's a freemium type of model where you can start for free and then pay. I pay to get the extra capabilities. It's a nominal fee. I probably pay less in a year for Proton and the other services they provide. They have a very well-known, well-respected VPN. They have an excellent and well-respected password manager. They have a feature like Google Drive or OneDrive where you can share files securely. So they've got a bunch of stuff, right? Again, they're very well known in the privacy community. And I would remind folks out there, Brian, that I have on my sub stack that we talk about all the time a list of the products that I use personally, not the work-related stuff, not the professional stuff, the stuff that I use personally because it's more business-friendly. I'll post that in my show note today. If you just go to my sub stack and look and search for privacy, you'll find it. So it's including proton mail, including browsers other than Chrome, which we've talked about many times. So, you know, if you're looking to kind of maybe take some of my advice, see what other people who care about privacy and are not thrilled with our surveillance capitalism model are doing, you know, again, there's plenty of resources you can find out there with guidance for how to shift away from these surveillance capitalism model systems to more privacy-friendly options. Again, I've documented all the stuff I'm currently using, and I'll update it if I decide to switch. It's funny, too, Brian, because, you know, when you get, like, three nerds in a room, at least one of them is going to have a different opinion that's going to tell you you're wrong about it. Guaranteed. So, you know, one of the pleas that I make in my post is, hey, if you've got a better option, let me know. You know, I'm not locked into these things. And at any given time, any company can change their business model. And I might change my perspective on why you should or should not use them. But yeah, I haven't used Gmail for a long time. I would encourage folks to do their own research. I know it's free. I know it's been around for a long time. I know people have an investment in it, quote unquote, because they've used it for a long time. But I'll also tell you, many of the better companies out there who want your business and are more privacy friendly will make it easy for you to switch. Um, same thing with, uh, switching your browser from Chrome to something else. You know, I use a combination of different browsers, primarily Firefox and brave. Both of them make it very easy for you to import your bookmarks from Chrome. Then you get easy for you to import your stuff, to switch over. And, you know, once you get that done and there's all kinds of online guides for this too, Brian, plus now you have AI that can talk you through it.
00:05:02
Speaker 1: That's true.
00:05:03
Speaker 2: So it's never been easier, uh, to divest from these surveillance capitalism, data Hoover-type systems to something that's more privacy and security friendly. Again, I personally use ProtonMail. There are other good ones out there. If you hit my sub stack, you can see my entire list. If you think I'm wrong, got a better suggestion, send it to me. I'll look into it because I'm always looking for the stuff that is going to be more... And the reason I say more privacy friendly, and this is some of the disagreement I get with people... Am I using the most privacy-friendly? Well, maybe not. But I'm also trying to find things that don't create an enormous amount of friction for me and I can recommend to other people.
00:05:45
Speaker 1: It has to be functional.
00:05:46
Speaker 2: Not everyone is as technically inclined as I am and may not want to spend a whole bunch of time trying to figure something out. So I'm trying to balance privacy and usability so that more people will have options to get out of these companies that are basically turning you into their product.
00:06:03
Speaker 1: 642-55-KCB Talk Station. Run a little long in that last segment with Tech Friday's Dave Hatter brought to you by Interest IT. So, Dave, in the three minutes in this segment, we're going to get back on track. Are we going to talk pig butchering or are we going to talk about the 50 terabytes of data that went poof?
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Speaker 2: Sorry.
00:06:18
Speaker 1: Oh, there he is. Did you put your mute on again?
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Speaker 2: I did. Stop doing that. Sorry. Let's talk about the 50 terabytes that went poof because I can make it really short. So this is an example where even if you read it, and I can only tell you from the reporting, they tried to do the right thing. They worked with a third-party provider to have off-site backups and so forth. But then the provider went out of business, and apparently they've lost 50 terabytes of data. For someone that's not really down with all this megabytes, terabytes, then 50 terabytes is an enormous amount of data. Now, a lot of it's probably video since they were a TV station, but video takes up a lot of space. Here's my point. I would tell you, both for individuals and especially for businesses, it's never been more important to have resilience built into your plan. There's nothing you can do. There's no amount of money you can spend that will make you completely impervious to both cyber attacks, which are increasing thanks to AI, and equipment failure. I've lost data in the past because something failed and I didn't take the time to back it up. It's never been easier or cheaper to do this. There's never been more options. every business should be following something called the backup rule of three, two, one. If something is important, if something, if you have something you don't want to lose for whatever reason, especially if it's mission critical to the operation of your business, you should have three copies of it. The production copy you're working off of every day, another copy on a different medium, and then a third copy off site somewhere, obviously all encrypted, all protected, um, So that even if the two copies at your site, so again, let's say production server, let's say backup NAS or something, right? There's many different ways to hit this T1 rule. Even if your building gets hit by a tornado or something, you still have the data off-site somewhere. They, as I understand it for me, only had two copies or maybe even one copy in this off-site storage. And when that went away, it was all gone. You know, I have firsthand knowledge, Brian, of businesses that have had catastrophic loss because of this sort of thing. It's never been easier. This is something, obviously, Incostrust can help you with, and I'm happy to explain it in detail to anyone who wants to reach out. Backup rule 321, never been easier, never been less expensive either, to ensure you have continuity for your business by doing that. And they show you what happens when you don't.
00:08:45
Speaker 1: Sound advice from Dave Hatter. Heed what he has to say. And on the heels of yesterday, I got a notice on my laptop. It's been 58 days since my last backup. So I'm going to have to go home and do that now that I've listened to what you had to say, Dave. 645. It is 650 at 55KRCD Talk Station. Tech Friday with Dave Hatter. LinkedIn.com to find Dave's articles and his sub stack that he relies upon. And you can check that throughout the week. IntrustIT.com to get in touch with Dave and the team to help your business grow. help your business along with these computer issues we talk about throughout the, uh, every time on this weekend or on this Friday program, Dave, it's, it's pig slaughtering. Hey, pig butchering, butchering.
00:09:25
Speaker 2: Yeah. The official term. And, uh, I want to, I want to start out and mention this, the link I sent you to this website, operation Shamrock, strongly recommend people go there again. I'll post it in my notes and throw it out there and all the social media and so forth. Um, They focus on these kind of scams, and one of the key people behind it has got some very interesting research. Erin West, she's become fairly famous. She travels around the world trying to show these sorts of large-scale operations in action. Because I think one of the things many people do not realize is so much of the scams and fraud that are out there today are not like one individual person trying to scam you. These are organized criminal gangs all around the world, usually in places where they can't be touched by U.S. law enforcement. Targeting U.S. citizens and others, but obviously we're very wealthy here compared to the rest of the world, so there's a lot more opportunity to steal here. And it's very sophisticated. These people are essentially trained con artists. They're not sophisticated technical people in many cases, if not most cases. They are trained con artists, and they're using all of this digital technology that we rely on now to come after you on your phone via text or phone calls. via email, via social media, via chat apps, via video games. If there are people there and they can get to you, they will get to you. And before I run out of time, the whole idea of pig butchering is the concept, right? You want to fatten the pig up before you slaughter it, right? So suddenly you're on a dating app, let's say, or Facebook or TikTok or fill in the blank. Again, anywhere there's people and suddenly someone wants to connect with you. and then they seem like your soulmate or something. Now, it may be just because they're really good con artists, Brian, but remember, there is now so much data that has been leaked and stolen about every single one of us, thanks to the big tech companies, to some extent, that I mentioned I don't like. When people tell me, I got nothing to hide, I don't care about my data, you can read my emails or whatever, I could go on and on about all the reasons why that's bad. But for one reason alone, all of that information that's getting sucked up from all the free apps all your IoT devices, all this stuff is constantly being bought and sold. It's constantly being leaked. I'm not saying inadvertently. I'm saying in many cases inadvertently, but then it's out there. We've talked about it many times, Brian. I bet you there is no one in your listing audience that hasn't gotten a data breach notification from someone. Hey, this is company X. We lost your data. Here's a three-year credit monitoring. Good luck. And they go about their business with no real impact to them, and you're the one that's hosed. And this is where it really starts to bite you. So again, your soulmate shows up on Match.com or Facebook or whatever. They know all kinds of information about you because they have access to all of this data that's been leaked. So all of a sudden, oh, you like kids too. Oh, you like Princess Bride, whatever it is. They have all of this information. They're stringing you along. They're building up rapport. Romance scams kind of fit into this same bucket. It might be a romance scam. It might be a crypto scam. It's probably some combination of both. But the idea of pig butchering is they will continue to string you along, build up trust and rapport, and then somewhere along the way hit you with something like, oh, you know, I made some money in crypto. Let me tell you that because we're buddies now or you're my soulmate or fill in the blank. And then you invest a little bit. You make some money. The whole thing has been a setup from day one. Eventually, they have you invest $ 10, 000, $ 100, 000, whatever they think you're going to do. And now they know you, and they've extracted this information slowly over time, and then they steal your money. This is happening all the time. And as this article points out, in many cases, there is no requirement for you as an individual to report this. You're embarrassed. You're ashamed. You don't want to report it. So whatever numbers that the FBI and the FBI's annual crime report talks about this, everyone should go read that, internetcrimecomplaintscenter.org, or gov, ic3. gov. And the scope of this is massive. This article, again, which I'll post, great insights into it, how to avoid it, what to do about it, a lot more detail than I have time to get into here because I know we're about out of time. Operation Shamrock, they focus on these kind of scams, great resources. Beware, folks. Your soulmate probably didn't just find you on TikTok.
00:14:05
Speaker 1: No question about it. And Dave, I laughed out loud when you talked about someone starting paying attention to your best friend out of nowhere. It reminded me when I was a younger man. Well, I still feel this way, although I'm not actively in the dating scene. I haven't been married as long as I have to my beautiful wife. But I was always extraordinarily skeptical and in a state of absolute disbelief if someone You know, good-looking girl approached me at the bar and started to be very flirty with me. I'm like, wait a second. Something is not right here. This person is flirting with me. There's got to be something going on.
00:14:39
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Brian, I felt the same way back then because, I mean, I have a mirror. I know. See? This isn't going to happen.
00:14:46
Speaker 1: Face for radio from me.
00:14:49
Speaker 2: Hey, brother, me too.
00:14:50
Speaker 1: It all worked out, didn't it, Dave? God bless you. LinkedIn.com for Dave for the articles. IntrustIT.com for Dave and the crew. Dave, we'll do this again next Friday. I sure appreciate what you're doing for us.
00:15:07
Speaker 2: All right. Thanks, Brian. Look forward to chatting with you then.
00:15:09
Speaker 1: Look forward to it as well. Stick around, folks. Judge Christopher McDonald. Vote McDowell. McDowell will be in studio. Looking forward to having him here. And then Matt Damaris will also be in studio with Vets and Brews. More love for the American veteran coming up in the next hour on the 55KRC Morning Show.
Speaker 1: 6.30 on a Friday. Love this time. IntrustIT.com. Sponsors of the Tech Friday with Dave Hatter segment. Dave's company, employee-owned and the best in the business. According to the business courier for business, computer needs, you are in the best hands with Dave and the crew on the job. Dave Hatter, welcome back, my friend. Thank you for sponsoring the segment. It's very informative, and you've kept me out of a lot of trouble over the years.
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Speaker 2: My pleasure, Brian. Always good to be here. Hopefully we're doing some good out there.
00:00:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are definitely. And I don't have a list. I look for the topic list, which you said you had forwarded over. I can't find it, so I'm flying blind, but I've got you there, and I know you're going to do a great job introing the topics and talking about them. So let's do that.
00:00:38
Speaker 2: Yeah. All right. No problem. Check your Gmail. See if it made it there. But anyhow, let's start out with this story.
00:00:46
Speaker 1: Do you want to say a word about me having a Gmail account, Dave?
00:00:51
Speaker 2: Well, you know I'm not a fan of Google, and I don't use Gmail myself, but hey, you know, to each his own, right? Although I will tell you, Brian, and maybe we'll just go off script here for a second, this would be a good opportunity for your listeners to, if you're using Gmail, okay, anytime you're using a free product, you are the product, not the customer. Right. They're collecting your data. Now, I'm not saying that's necessarily nefarious, but reminder that that there are these big tech companies who their entire product is you and the data they're collecting from you. You don't have to take my words where people can go out and on their own see what privacy-friendly organizations like EFF and so forth say about these things.
00:01:36
Speaker 1: You brought this up many, I hope everybody listening on this goes, yeah, you've told us this already, Dave. I mean, that's what they do. They collect your data. So basically you're telling me Gmail's doing the same damn thing.
00:01:47
Speaker 2: Well, yes.
00:01:47
Speaker 1: There you go.
00:01:49
Speaker 2: This is one of the things that Google is most known for. So there are other much more privacy-friendly options out there. I switched from Gmail to ProtonMail probably almost six years ago now. ProtonMail is one of many good services that are more privacy-friendly. Proton is in Switzerland. There's a whole bunch of reasons. And again, you go out there and the audience can do your own research on this. But I've been using ProtonMail for a while. There is a free entry level. It's a freemium type of model where you can start for free and then pay. I pay to get the extra capabilities. It's a nominal fee. I probably pay less in a year for Proton and the other services they provide. They have a very well-known, well-respected VPN. They have an excellent and well-respected password manager. They have a feature like Google Drive or OneDrive where you can share files securely. So they've got a bunch of stuff, right? Again, they're very well known in the privacy community. And I would remind folks out there, Brian, that I have on my sub stack that we talk about all the time a list of the products that I use personally, not the work-related stuff, not the professional stuff, the stuff that I use personally because it's more business-friendly. I'll post that in my show note today. If you just go to my sub stack and look and search for privacy, you'll find it. So it's including proton mail, including browsers other than Chrome, which we've talked about many times. So, you know, if you're looking to kind of maybe take some of my advice, see what other people who care about privacy and are not thrilled with our surveillance capitalism model are doing, you know, again, there's plenty of resources you can find out there with guidance for how to shift away from these surveillance capitalism model systems to more privacy-friendly options. Again, I've documented all the stuff I'm currently using, and I'll update it if I decide to switch. It's funny, too, Brian, because, you know, when you get, like, three nerds in a room, at least one of them is going to have a different opinion that's going to tell you you're wrong about it. Guaranteed. So, you know, one of the pleas that I make in my post is, hey, if you've got a better option, let me know. You know, I'm not locked into these things. And at any given time, any company can change their business model. And I might change my perspective on why you should or should not use them. But yeah, I haven't used Gmail for a long time. I would encourage folks to do their own research. I know it's free. I know it's been around for a long time. I know people have an investment in it, quote unquote, because they've used it for a long time. But I'll also tell you, many of the better companies out there who want your business and are more privacy friendly will make it easy for you to switch. Um, same thing with, uh, switching your browser from Chrome to something else. You know, I use a combination of different browsers, primarily Firefox and brave. Both of them make it very easy for you to import your bookmarks from Chrome. Then you get easy for you to import your stuff, to switch over. And, you know, once you get that done and there's all kinds of online guides for this too, Brian, plus now you have AI that can talk you through it.
00:05:02
Speaker 1: That's true.
00:05:03
Speaker 2: So it's never been easier, uh, to divest from these surveillance capitalism, data Hoover-type systems to something that's more privacy and security friendly. Again, I personally use ProtonMail. There are other good ones out there. If you hit my sub stack, you can see my entire list. If you think I'm wrong, got a better suggestion, send it to me. I'll look into it because I'm always looking for the stuff that is going to be more... And the reason I say more privacy friendly, and this is some of the disagreement I get with people... Am I using the most privacy-friendly? Well, maybe not. But I'm also trying to find things that don't create an enormous amount of friction for me and I can recommend to other people.
00:05:45
Speaker 1: It has to be functional.
00:05:46
Speaker 2: Not everyone is as technically inclined as I am and may not want to spend a whole bunch of time trying to figure something out. So I'm trying to balance privacy and usability so that more people will have options to get out of these companies that are basically turning you into their product.
00:06:03
Speaker 1: 642-55-KCB Talk Station. Run a little long in that last segment with Tech Friday's Dave Hatter brought to you by Interest IT. So, Dave, in the three minutes in this segment, we're going to get back on track. Are we going to talk pig butchering or are we going to talk about the 50 terabytes of data that went poof?
00:06:18
Speaker 2: Sorry.
00:06:18
Speaker 1: Oh, there he is. Did you put your mute on again?
00:06:21
Speaker 2: I did. Stop doing that. Sorry. Let's talk about the 50 terabytes that went poof because I can make it really short. So this is an example where even if you read it, and I can only tell you from the reporting, they tried to do the right thing. They worked with a third-party provider to have off-site backups and so forth. But then the provider went out of business, and apparently they've lost 50 terabytes of data. For someone that's not really down with all this megabytes, terabytes, then 50 terabytes is an enormous amount of data. Now, a lot of it's probably video since they were a TV station, but video takes up a lot of space. Here's my point. I would tell you, both for individuals and especially for businesses, it's never been more important to have resilience built into your plan. There's nothing you can do. There's no amount of money you can spend that will make you completely impervious to both cyber attacks, which are increasing thanks to AI, and equipment failure. I've lost data in the past because something failed and I didn't take the time to back it up. It's never been easier or cheaper to do this. There's never been more options. every business should be following something called the backup rule of three, two, one. If something is important, if something, if you have something you don't want to lose for whatever reason, especially if it's mission critical to the operation of your business, you should have three copies of it. The production copy you're working off of every day, another copy on a different medium, and then a third copy off site somewhere, obviously all encrypted, all protected, um, So that even if the two copies at your site, so again, let's say production server, let's say backup NAS or something, right? There's many different ways to hit this T1 rule. Even if your building gets hit by a tornado or something, you still have the data off-site somewhere. They, as I understand it for me, only had two copies or maybe even one copy in this off-site storage. And when that went away, it was all gone. You know, I have firsthand knowledge, Brian, of businesses that have had catastrophic loss because of this sort of thing. It's never been easier. This is something, obviously, Incostrust can help you with, and I'm happy to explain it in detail to anyone who wants to reach out. Backup rule 321, never been easier, never been less expensive either, to ensure you have continuity for your business by doing that. And they show you what happens when you don't.
00:08:45
Speaker 1: Sound advice from Dave Hatter. Heed what he has to say. And on the heels of yesterday, I got a notice on my laptop. It's been 58 days since my last backup. So I'm going to have to go home and do that now that I've listened to what you had to say, Dave. 645. It is 650 at 55KRCD Talk Station. Tech Friday with Dave Hatter. LinkedIn.com to find Dave's articles and his sub stack that he relies upon. And you can check that throughout the week. IntrustIT.com to get in touch with Dave and the team to help your business grow. help your business along with these computer issues we talk about throughout the, uh, every time on this weekend or on this Friday program, Dave, it's, it's pig slaughtering. Hey, pig butchering, butchering.
00:09:25
Speaker 2: Yeah. The official term. And, uh, I want to, I want to start out and mention this, the link I sent you to this website, operation Shamrock, strongly recommend people go there again. I'll post it in my notes and throw it out there and all the social media and so forth. Um, They focus on these kind of scams, and one of the key people behind it has got some very interesting research. Erin West, she's become fairly famous. She travels around the world trying to show these sorts of large-scale operations in action. Because I think one of the things many people do not realize is so much of the scams and fraud that are out there today are not like one individual person trying to scam you. These are organized criminal gangs all around the world, usually in places where they can't be touched by U.S. law enforcement. Targeting U.S. citizens and others, but obviously we're very wealthy here compared to the rest of the world, so there's a lot more opportunity to steal here. And it's very sophisticated. These people are essentially trained con artists. They're not sophisticated technical people in many cases, if not most cases. They are trained con artists, and they're using all of this digital technology that we rely on now to come after you on your phone via text or phone calls. via email, via social media, via chat apps, via video games. If there are people there and they can get to you, they will get to you. And before I run out of time, the whole idea of pig butchering is the concept, right? You want to fatten the pig up before you slaughter it, right? So suddenly you're on a dating app, let's say, or Facebook or TikTok or fill in the blank. Again, anywhere there's people and suddenly someone wants to connect with you. and then they seem like your soulmate or something. Now, it may be just because they're really good con artists, Brian, but remember, there is now so much data that has been leaked and stolen about every single one of us, thanks to the big tech companies, to some extent, that I mentioned I don't like. When people tell me, I got nothing to hide, I don't care about my data, you can read my emails or whatever, I could go on and on about all the reasons why that's bad. But for one reason alone, all of that information that's getting sucked up from all the free apps all your IoT devices, all this stuff is constantly being bought and sold. It's constantly being leaked. I'm not saying inadvertently. I'm saying in many cases inadvertently, but then it's out there. We've talked about it many times, Brian. I bet you there is no one in your listing audience that hasn't gotten a data breach notification from someone. Hey, this is company X. We lost your data. Here's a three-year credit monitoring. Good luck. And they go about their business with no real impact to them, and you're the one that's hosed. And this is where it really starts to bite you. So again, your soulmate shows up on Match.com or Facebook or whatever. They know all kinds of information about you because they have access to all of this data that's been leaked. So all of a sudden, oh, you like kids too. Oh, you like Princess Bride, whatever it is. They have all of this information. They're stringing you along. They're building up rapport. Romance scams kind of fit into this same bucket. It might be a romance scam. It might be a crypto scam. It's probably some combination of both. But the idea of pig butchering is they will continue to string you along, build up trust and rapport, and then somewhere along the way hit you with something like, oh, you know, I made some money in crypto. Let me tell you that because we're buddies now or you're my soulmate or fill in the blank. And then you invest a little bit. You make some money. The whole thing has been a setup from day one. Eventually, they have you invest $ 10, 000, $ 100, 000, whatever they think you're going to do. And now they know you, and they've extracted this information slowly over time, and then they steal your money. This is happening all the time. And as this article points out, in many cases, there is no requirement for you as an individual to report this. You're embarrassed. You're ashamed. You don't want to report it. So whatever numbers that the FBI and the FBI's annual crime report talks about this, everyone should go read that, internetcrimecomplaintscenter.org, or gov, ic3. gov. And the scope of this is massive. This article, again, which I'll post, great insights into it, how to avoid it, what to do about it, a lot more detail than I have time to get into here because I know we're about out of time. Operation Shamrock, they focus on these kind of scams, great resources. Beware, folks. Your soulmate probably didn't just find you on TikTok.
00:14:05
Speaker 1: No question about it. And Dave, I laughed out loud when you talked about someone starting paying attention to your best friend out of nowhere. It reminded me when I was a younger man. Well, I still feel this way, although I'm not actively in the dating scene. I haven't been married as long as I have to my beautiful wife. But I was always extraordinarily skeptical and in a state of absolute disbelief if someone You know, good-looking girl approached me at the bar and started to be very flirty with me. I'm like, wait a second. Something is not right here. This person is flirting with me. There's got to be something going on.
00:14:39
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Brian, I felt the same way back then because, I mean, I have a mirror. I know. See? This isn't going to happen.
00:14:46
Speaker 1: Face for radio from me.
00:14:49
Speaker 2: Hey, brother, me too.
00:14:50
Speaker 1: It all worked out, didn't it, Dave? God bless you. LinkedIn.com for Dave for the articles. IntrustIT.com for Dave and the crew. Dave, we'll do this again next Friday. I sure appreciate what you're doing for us.
00:15:07
Speaker 2: All right. Thanks, Brian. Look forward to chatting with you then.
00:15:09
Speaker 1: Look forward to it as well. Stick around, folks. Judge Christopher McDonald. Vote McDowell. McDowell will be in studio. Looking forward to having him here. And then Matt Damaris will also be in studio with Vets and Brews. More love for the American veteran coming up in the next hour on the 55KRC Morning Show.
