Driven by Purpose: The Remarkable Racing Journey of Ted Giovanis

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Break Fix Podcast is all about capturing
the living history of people from all
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over the autos sphere, from wrench,
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get that job or become that person.
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The road to success is paved by all
of us because everyone has a story.
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Today we're honored to welcome
a truly unique figure in
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the world of motor sports.
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Theodore Giovannis known for his
tenacity, both on and off the track.
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Ted is not just a passionate racer,
but also the driving force behind
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JKTG Foundation racing where he
has competed in series like IMSA
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and endurance racing at some of the
most iconic tracks in the world.
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His journey is one of determination
and lifelong learning, balancing his
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career as a successful businessman,
philanthropist, and author with
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his love for speed and competition.
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Today, we'll dive into his racing
career, the challenges he's faced,
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the lessons he's learned, and how
Motorsport continues to fuel his pursuit
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of excellence in every aspect of life.
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And joining me tonight is returning
guest co-host Tom Newman, who
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you might remember from our Randy
Lanier and Paved Paradise episodes.
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So welcome back to the studio, Tom.
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Thank you, sir. I'll be glad to be here.
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And with that, let's officially
welcome Ted to break fix.
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How you guys doing?
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Glad to be here and looking
forward to talking to you tonight.
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Excellent.
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Good to see you as well, Ted.
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Well like all good break fix stories.
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They all have a superhero origin.
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So let's talk about yours,
your journey into motorsports.
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It's as inspiring as it is unconventional.
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So what drew you into racing and how did
you take those first steps onto the track?
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I was always interested in cars when I was
really young, you know, as a teenager, but
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never really executed it along the way.
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I bought a Corvette and I got
into auto crossing, but never
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really did any road racing.
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Sold the Corvette.
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Then in 1991, I decided I needed to have
another sports car and I bought one.
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It was a Mitsubishi 3000 GTVR four.
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I was driving home from the dealership
after picking it up and went on
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an interchange and demonstrated to
myself that I was not as good of a
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driver as I remembered myself being.
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So I scared myself.
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And then I went home and talked to my
wife and I said, you know, what would
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you think if I went to a driving store?
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And she said, well, that
would be, that would be cool.
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Why don't you go do that?
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And so that was what set me off
on a trajectory of road racing.
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I went to a driving school.
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I bought a car, a, uh, 2002 that had
one three horsepower on a good day.
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Started club racing from there.
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And so that's what started
this whole trajectory.
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Describe your road to imsa though
for a lot of folks, there's
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a lot of steps to get there.
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So what was that like?
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I raced in SCCA Sports
Guard Club of America.
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I went, at the time the
professional schools like
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Bonderant in places like that.
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They were not accepted to
get a license at that point.
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The only way you could really assure
yourself that trajectory to get a license
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in SCCA was to go to an SECA school.
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So I had to go and you
had to go to two of 'em.
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So I went There was in SCCA for,
I'm still an SCCA license driver,
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but I participated in that.
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Gradually progressing.
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I'm a progressivity kind of guy, so
I went from 2000 twos to actually
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BMWE 36 ERs, which was the.
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Between 1990 and 1995 kind of platform.
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And so I, I raced those, had won, uh,
regional championships, set track records.
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Then in 2006 I decided I
might want to go into ssa.
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It wasn't really EMSA at the time.
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It was called Grand Am.
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It was a Grand America Road Racing
series, which was a series that NASCAR
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put seed money into the Grand Am
series and got Jim France to run it.
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After it grouped its base, it
acquired that, and then that collided
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with, there was the American Lama
series, which was run by Don Panos.
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That series was having some
financial troubles, and so when
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Panos decided to sell that off.
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NASCAR bought both that and Grand M
most 'em together with imsa, which
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was the prior sanction for A LMS.
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And then that's sort of where that
wound up NASCAR was trying to put sports
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cars in their book of business rather
than just rounding, rounding track.
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And when it bought a LMS, it also
got Sebring, the hotel there,
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chat law and it got road Atlanta.
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And so that was my first participation
in the sort of the Pro series in 2006.
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You touched on Grand Dam and that's
where Tom comes into the equation here.
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So let's go back to those days
and then walk a little bit more
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forward into your time at emsa.
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So any stories you wanna share about
brewing with Ted and things like that?
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Ted left out, conveniently left out
the part where we had a, about three
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pickup trucks in various trailers
versus to, oh, how far he's come.
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And I remember one distinct experience.
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It didn't start off as a pleasant
story or pleasant memory.
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Ted, do you remember when we were at
Limerock and lost the motor in practice?
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I think I do.
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The paddock area was just a slog of mud.
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Yeah, we were down the other end.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Myself and another frequent guest
on the, on the show, Matthew Yip.
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Were sitting on a tailgate after,
uh, we had loaded everything
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back up for the trip home.
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We heard two beers crack.
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I'm not sure where Ted was at this point.
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I got a clap on the shoulder and Paul
Newman said, you'll get 'em next time.
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And walked off without another word.
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Ted kind of introduced me to the world
of big time racing and left me, you
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know, dumbstruck by celebrity fanboys.
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But, uh, that's true story and that was
courtesy of Ted having me on his team.
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There was another thing
that happened then with Yip.
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I don't know if that was the
time, but it was at Limerock.
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Yep.
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It was, yip.
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We couldn't find the key to his car.
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Yes, that's right.
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So the, the trailer's all packed up.
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It's got everything in there including,
you know, folding lawn chair things
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and everything that's in there.
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He can't find his key.
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We look through everything and then we
basically looked at each other and says,
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I think we gotta unpack the trailer
'cause it's gotta be here somewhere.
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That's right.
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And we unpack the whole trailer.
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So you've got these folding lawn chairs
and they're in these bags, you know, they,
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they're, they're so contained bags for
whatever reason, we took the lawn chairs
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out of the bags and his key was in one
of those net cup holders, how it got in
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there and who put it there having a clue.
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But we were like, how is
he gonna get this car home?
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Ever since then I've been on the pro side.
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We were only running a part of a
year back then, five six races.
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So half season just trying
to get our feet wet.
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We landed on a BMW of three 30 because at
the time in Grand Am you could build cars.
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You could build cars for the lower,
slower class, which is called St.
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Street Tuner.
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And then Grand Sport was the upper
class, so you could build those cars.
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It's not like that anymore.
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Speaking of BMWs, do you still
have the Laguna SE Blue M three?
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Uh, no, that's, that's
been gone for a long while.
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Uh, somewhere around 2010, I
moved from Performance Car.
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I moved from the BMWs to a Porsche, and
then I went that way, and I'm still in
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the Porsche family for a lot of cars now.
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Did you seek out Porsche or
did Porsche seek you out?
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No, I, I sought out pushing.
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Okay.
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It was all on the street
side as Thomas Wright.
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I ended Laguna Blue, a 2002
year model year and three.
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What I had done is, was, I mean, I went
through this tailspin of investment.
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I, I put an exhaust on it, then I
put a suspension on it 'cause I was
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tracking it too, so I put brakes on it.
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So I went through all of this stuff
and I'm just like, why can't they just
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put all this stuff on it and charge
us $15,000 more and hand us the key?
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'cause it'll all be kind
of coordinated and matched.
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Well, it was just at that time when
Porsche decided to offer a GT three
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Rs, that was my pretty much trajectory.
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So as I was doing this, I was
kind of still the amateur.
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I was in a pro series, but I did other
things professionally for, with my life.
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One of the things that I was doing.
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Was I had, I had my own consulting
practice, which was sort of the
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centerpiece of racing because it
allowed me the flexibility to do
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whatever I needed to do to be away.
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But one of the things that happened
outside there in 2006, in my consulting
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practice, I found an error in how Medicare
pays all the hospitals in the country.
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That led to a litigation, which took
six years between 2006 and 2012.
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So I was racing the whole time except for
calendar 12, but that led to me eventually
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getting some money out of that appeal.
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That changed the complexion of everything
TGM did at the time, and so then that
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was when, in 2013, so I took 12 off.
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2013, I engaged a pro driver who was a
previous A LMS driver to drive with me.
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That began my transformation as a
driver because the illuminating moment
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was I found out that despite my prior
performances on track, and I found
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out everything I was doing was wrong.
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So when you have a good benchmark and
it's undeniable that they're in the same
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car on the same day, on the same truck.
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And you have data.
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It's pretty revealing.
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It's also, the good thing is you can
figure out where you're doing wrong
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and try to work on fixing it, which
I can tell you is the hardest part.
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Changing bad behavior is not easy.
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So when we ran into you earlier
this year at VIR, you are behind
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the wheel of an Aston, right?
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So let's talk about some of the race
cars you've piloted in the Pro series.
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What has that been like?
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Has it been a mixed bag or have you been
able to stay loyal to Porsche Mixed bag?
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One of the guys that's in the series,
will Turner told me a long time ago,
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he's at racing in the Pro series.
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Primarily because of the balance
of performance adjustments is
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like Baskin Robs, it's kind of
a flavor of the month routine.
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And so I decided in 2016 to move to
GS from st. I had one of Turner's
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old cars in ST and then I bought one
of Bimmer wheels S cars in AS team.
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But I decided to get
outta that and go to gs.
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When we went to Gs, we went to Porsche,
and so we ran Porsche in 16 and 17.
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Because we were trying to predict the
balance of performance adjustments
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and what they would do and what,
in 18 and 19 we went to Mercedes.
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Then in 20 and 21, which was during COVID,
we made the decision to go to Chevy.
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Chevrolet had a a GT four platform.
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All of these are GT four platforms that
was based on, you know, the Camaro,
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but it was built by Pratt and Miller.
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It was a race car and there were
like 13 of them in the world.
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Good thing about that is
it was a really good car.
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The band part about it, when you
only have 13 cars, nobody did a lot
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of test miles with them, so we were,
it break stuff and whatever, not
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because we were crazy, but because
we were breaking stuff like Sebring.
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It is pretty bumpy and if there's
something wrong with it, you'll find it.
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So in 2021 we were with them in 22.
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We went back to Porsche.
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Par was pretty sorted.
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Bad thing is there were
like five teams in had.
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First race was Daytona, Porsche,
Motorsport thinking BOP.
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They told all the teams
run full wing at Daytona.
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In other words, your rear
win otherwise slow at down.
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One team did car, got
a BOP killed the car.
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So we had decided early on,
uh, out of 22 to get out.
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And thereafter that's when
we switched to Astons.
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And so we switched to Astons, what's
called the 17 a chassis for 2324.
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And then in 25 we went to the Aston
Martin Evo, which is the 40 a h Chassi.
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So it, it's got more dive
planes and down force.
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It's got more aerodynamic effects on it.
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Well, you opened the door to talk about
BOP one of my favorite subjects when it
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comes to sports, car and endurance racing.
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And I've asked plenty of pro drivers,
there are feelings about it, some toe
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the political line, and some are more
honest about how they feel about BOP.
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Do you mind if we go down that
route a little bit and get your
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opinion on balance of performance?
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I'm actually a little more balanced
and it's a hard job to try to
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equalize these cars, and so it
takes a lot of effort and data.
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When it's complicated, they don't
always get it right where I am.
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I understand.
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I don't like it, you know, I
don't like what the answers are.
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But it's like anything else in life,
you have to get your head around.
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You are gonna succeed and
win no matter what they do.
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Try as they will slow you down.
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You gotta figure out a
way to get better, faster.
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And however that is, you work with
your manufacturer to try to change
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the BOP to get back something and
to make the cars more reasonable.
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But at the end of the day, you work
on setups, you try to figure out what
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anything that's wrong with the car,
uh, you try to fix it, meaning we have
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two aspens and this year we thought
we wanna work like a two car team.
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So you put one setup on one
car and one setup on another
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car, and then you learn faster.
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You learn which ones faster.
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And it wouldn't work.
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It was always confusing.
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And so we got stuck going to a test
day at Watkins Glen torrential rains.
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And so we were like, God, we should
have just let, like not come.
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But what we did with our race engineer,
who was a new guy to us, the cars
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stayed in the garage the whole two days.
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They took both cars pretty
much apart side by side.
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And guess what?
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They found out?
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They weren't the same.
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They were different.
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That was fairly enlightening about
what we needed to do for setup.
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And some of it's the mounting holes,
it's how thick the splitters are
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on one side versus the other side.
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So it's all of this kind of stuff.
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So you try to work through it.
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So we work with, only the manufacturer
can talk to the series about the BOP.
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And then the man, that's another level
of complexity because the manufacturer
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has to represent all of the cards
of your make, whatever that is.
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And so they're working to try to get
the best average performance, but
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the way they do the BOP, what they do
is they get data from the as in one
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highest placing card of each make.
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So the BOP is actually based on
one car of Tom's car, whatever
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car Tom is driving of the BMW.
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And so the teams have
different structures, whereas
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Tom is the paying gentleman.
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He brings you in as his pro.
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Depending on that relationship,
Tom wants to win races.
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That's drives Eric's motivation
and Tom's motivation to win races.
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However, winning races does
not win championships, right?
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You can win a championship by
hovering between third and fifth
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if you do that consistently.
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Our team is focused on winning
championships, which is different.
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What that means is for a guy like, I'm
just putting a bogey on you, Eric, a guy
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like a pro racer like you, you wanna win.
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But we gotta get you to hold the line
because going as fast as you can is
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disadvantageous to your fuel mileage.
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So we are gonna tell you to run.
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To a number on the dash because we
have fuel burn for per liters and
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it's between 2.6 and 3.9 or something
like that, depending on the track.
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What we'll say is you gotta run this
number because what we've calculated,
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the people in the pits have calculated
that if you run that number from the time
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you got into the car, you won't have to
stop again, but the other guys might.
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So once you get to a certain
point, if we know you're good
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on fuel, we'll turn you loose.
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You see what I mean?
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Then you can try to win the, win the
race, but uh, you're following a guy,
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you tend to want to get past him.
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But guess what?
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He probably wants to save fuel too.
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So if you don't push 'em too much
and you wait till you're ready.
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Then you go.
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It's funny because this is the
same dynamic in Formula One as it
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is in other disciplines of racing.
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Yep.
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I think the rub comes in for enthusiasts
and fans sitting on the other side
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that may not know the intimate
and intricate details as you just
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explained 'em about how BOP works
and the strategy of racing as it is,
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you know, in today's era of racing.
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Because I think a lot of us look
back to, I'll use Can-Am as an
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example, build a better mousetrap.
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You wanna be first and put
a bigger motor in and that's
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gonna cause you to pit 10 times.
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Well, you know, if you got a
22nd lead, you know, so be it.
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The days of the Brian Redmonds and
the David Hobbes and that type of
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racing is unfortunately long gone.
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And when I look back over the history, I
unfortunately tend to blame Audi for this.
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BOP came into effect because
of the quatros, because it
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was so unbalanced in imsa.
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They had to do something or
the manufacturers were all
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gonna pick it and leave.
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It's changed the whole dynamic
of racing and for those of us
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watching at home, were like.
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Just let 'em race.
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Like if the Mustangs faster, they had
the advantage and they won it, you know?
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So, you know, having come up through the
system after all these years, do you feel
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that racing is still as fun as it used
to be, let's say, in the good old days?
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Or is it much more math, science
and very, very intricate?
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It's fun in a different
way, to be honest with you.
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That's the big similarities between
racing and what I do in research.
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It's all about modeling.
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It's all about forecasting and figuring
out how things work and what the relative
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strengths of a particular decision are.
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And you don't have this in
sprint races and amateur races
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because you're only 25 minutes.
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You just put gas in it and
put air in a tire and you go.
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But when you move to endurance
racing, you're dealing with tire
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degradation, human degradation.
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If you're going longer races, it's
all about arresting the derate of
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either human capital or the physical.
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If you're blinding lift fast and
you burn tires off, you gain over
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here and then you lose back here.
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Or is it better to be like this and
have a, a little slower ate out there
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where your average time is better?
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And so that's sort of
what the game is now.
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And endurance racing, all of the rules are
geared to trying to give each car and each
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driver pairing somewhat of a a chance.
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And back in the good old days, if
you could build your car and you
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knew how to make it work and you
had enough money, you could win.
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They're trying to change some
of that, if you know what I
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mean, and try to balance it out.
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And so that's what
driver ratings are about.
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You can't have too many
gold people in the same car.
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The platinums are usually factories, so
you can't have too many of them in the
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car, and you're trying to balance out.
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Because the easy thing is, is, I
mean, if Tom's the fastest driver
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or the three of us, you just
keep him in the car all the time.
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You just make 'em run the whole race.
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Well, they sit down.
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You can't do that if
you're, he's paired with me.
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The minimum drive time is
40 minutes for the pair.
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One of us could drive 40 minutes
and get out, and the other one can
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drive the rest of the two hours.
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Cool.
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That's still compliant with the rules.
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But they have these different driver
time rules, so you don't just get
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all the super duper pooper drivers.
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'cause let's face it, if we got
the biggest budget we can win.
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So we hire the best drivers,
put 'em in a car and whatever.
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So in Formula One, that's what in
theory, the budget caps are trying
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to do, trying to smooth that out.
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Because if somebody can spend 300
million, but Tom can only spend a
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hundred million, he's gonna lose.
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And so you, you have this allocation
of resources, uh, wind, tunnel
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time, all that kind of stuff.
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So that's what they're
trying to do with us.
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It's different pools.
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Our cars are supposed to be built
to a GT four spec, the ones in, in
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the 24 of the GT three spec, and
that's all sanctioned by the SRO.
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It doesn't mean that they're all the same.
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That means that they can
achieve a theoretical similar
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lap time with a pro in it.
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But you can decide how big that gap is.
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That's what the SRO does.
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Can it be a second elap, maybe?
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Well, that's a big difference.
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And so when ISA went to, you have to have
a GT four certified car from the SRO.
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Then ISA can make
adjustments to slow it down.
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It can make you run different engine maps.
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It's that kind of stuff
is, see what I mean?
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So there's a, yeah.
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Nuances.
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It is pretty technical.
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What's better, more torque or more power?
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The answer kind of is, depends on how
long the straightaway you're going onto.
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I thought it was horsepower, was
how fast you hit the wall and
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torque was how far you pushed it.
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Yeah, that's, that's same way.
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But if the straightaway is not
too long, you want the torque.
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Right.
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So there are adjustments in our
cars that give you the torque,
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lower end versus upper end.
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It just means you'll lose on top speed.
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Tom's car can get to 1 65,
let's say, but most of the
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time the cars only get to 1 63.
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So why does he need the extra
power to get him to 1 65?
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He needs the torque to
get him outta the corner.
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'cause he can get to his max speed faster.
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So it's a gigantic trade off.
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It may not play well.
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We want to be out in front.
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We want everybody else to figure out
saying, how can they be out that far?
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And the IMSA guys are looking
at it saying, well, how do we
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get everybody at the finish line
at the same time all the makes?
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Because each manufacturer
has the following.
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I know drivers do too, but people come to
see the Porsches and the Mercedes and the
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Fords and the whatever they come to see
that the way the series looks at it, they
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want each manufacturer to have a chance.
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I'm not saying to win,
but have a chance to win.
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And that's sort of what affects their
metrics with balance of performance.
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You mentioned that the, uh, the
BOP is based on the top performing
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race car of a particular chassis
produced by a manufacturer.
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You are a true privateer.
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How much advocacy does the
manufacturer give you when trying
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to adjust these balance of power?
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Clearly, because of the technical
nature of this, you have tons
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and tons and tons of data.
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Do they advocate for the privateers or are
they mostly interested in those top teams?
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They are generally advocating for the
platform like Eston Martin, GT four Evo,
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or the Porsche, GT four, or the Mercedes.
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So they're advocating because that
BOP is gonna apply to everybody.
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Everybody that's got one of those
makes, they're working to do that.
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The manufacturers get data from all
of the cars, all of our cars, all
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of the Astons, Aston's got it all.
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All of the Porsches, Porsche got it all.
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So they can look at that across 'em.
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Now, they're not supposed to be
helping you versus Eric versus
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me, if you know what I mean.
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If we have the same card, they're
not supposed to be doing that, and
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they can help you in a little way.
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They can give you baseline setups
or something like that, but
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pretty much you're on your own.
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What they're doing is they're advocating
with the series and the BOP committee.
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To work on the data, and it's more of an
argument about what that data means, and
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the series has data more refined than us.
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For example, Eric mentioned Formula One.
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Think about it in Formula One, when
you look at most of the Formula One
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tracks, they have three zones, 1, 2,
3, of which they, they're tracking
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data and all that kind of stuff.
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Well, SA gets it for like 10, so they know
within zone one what those segments are.
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We don't, and the manufacturer
doesn't get it that way.
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So there's an advantage that they
have, I'll say an advantage they have,
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they have more data than we have.
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Interesting.
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If they interpret things in a certain
way, you can't prove 'em wrong.
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You don't have the same
fidelity that they do.
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Yeah.
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So you gotta remember, the best
thing to do is you need to figure
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out how to make your car faster.
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And it doesn't have to do
with power all the time.
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It has to do with handling.
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Uh, sometimes your brake
pad compounds are open.
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They're not in the spec.
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Anytime you want, you can use
any manufacturer brake pad, so
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you can use pad or anything.
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Then you've got compounds within that.
456
00:25:34,690 --> 00:25:39,130
So you, you use your connections
with the brake pad manufacturers
457
00:25:39,130 --> 00:25:41,110
to get the best pads.
458
00:25:41,380 --> 00:25:42,070
You see what I mean?
459
00:25:42,220 --> 00:25:44,080
Different compounds of pad front to rear.
460
00:25:44,110 --> 00:25:45,940
Now tires we're stuck.
461
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:48,400
We all have to use whatever tires.
462
00:25:48,580 --> 00:25:50,620
That's part of what IMSA does.
463
00:25:50,860 --> 00:25:57,520
And so sometimes the manufacturer will
advocate for like a, a heavier car
464
00:25:57,730 --> 00:26:03,160
advocate for a wider front tire if the
car's pushing a lot so they can do that.
465
00:26:03,310 --> 00:26:03,940
You see what I mean?
466
00:26:03,940 --> 00:26:08,020
They do basically, it's all of
the segments around the track.
467
00:26:08,020 --> 00:26:10,480
It's not just the straightaway, it's.
468
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,680
Quarter speed and then exit.
469
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:17,280
And the mid quarter, the mid corner
is, is a key area to work on.
470
00:26:17,310 --> 00:26:21,330
If you've been watching, uh, I don't
mean to throw back to Formula One, but
471
00:26:21,330 --> 00:26:24,629
if you've been watching the Formula
One stuff and you hear or stop and
472
00:26:24,629 --> 00:26:28,320
complaining about how the car's I
balanced or whatever, forget about the
473
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,899
poring stuff, he'll talk about balance.
474
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:36,300
Well, balance is you are uncomfortable
in the corners at what the car's doing.
475
00:26:36,420 --> 00:26:37,649
It's not feeling right.
476
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,610
When you're not comfortable or
confident, you can't put it on the
477
00:26:41,610 --> 00:26:45,389
edge 'cause you're still feeling of
what it's going to do in the end.
478
00:26:45,570 --> 00:26:50,970
The most significant thing I learned when
I started driving with a pro is one fact.
479
00:26:51,330 --> 00:26:54,960
It's not about the pedals,
it's about feeling the weight.
480
00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:58,995
And if you feel the weight on
each of the four corners, that's
481
00:26:58,995 --> 00:27:02,745
when you're, you need to see what
it's gonna do, where it's going.
482
00:27:03,045 --> 00:27:07,035
And then your head tells your
feet to do what with the pel.
483
00:27:07,575 --> 00:27:08,115
You see what I mean?
484
00:27:08,385 --> 00:27:16,395
So if you can't feel the front turn, you
better not touch the throttle, because
485
00:27:16,395 --> 00:27:20,055
what it's gonna do is pull weight off the
nose and it's not gonna turn even more.
486
00:27:20,295 --> 00:27:22,665
So it's counter what you're trying to do.
487
00:27:22,665 --> 00:27:24,495
You're trying to get
to the go pedal quick.
488
00:27:24,675 --> 00:27:28,305
But if the car's not pointed right,
that's why you need a bigger front
489
00:27:28,305 --> 00:27:29,595
tire on some of these cars then.
490
00:27:29,685 --> 00:27:32,355
And then you need to figure out
how to drive them differently.
491
00:27:32,535 --> 00:27:36,975
Because it's like, well, the Mercedes and
the Aston, they're kind of similar cars.
492
00:27:37,035 --> 00:27:38,475
You have to drive 'em differently.
493
00:27:38,655 --> 00:27:42,765
So that's another complication
where the driver comes in and a guy
494
00:27:42,915 --> 00:27:46,455
that's like me, that's not really
a, I wasn't born like a pro driver.
495
00:27:46,860 --> 00:27:50,850
I didn't come up and that wasn't my
destiny from the time I was a kid.
496
00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:56,730
So you have to learn how to
adapt, which is complicated.
497
00:27:56,940 --> 00:28:00,600
If you've learned it a certain way,
you're just reiterating what I've
498
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,480
told students for many, many years.
499
00:28:03,780 --> 00:28:07,290
The most valuable sensor in the
car is the seat of your pants.
500
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,690
That's what Hanok always
said too, you know?
501
00:28:10,290 --> 00:28:10,470
Yep.
502
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:14,790
But I think, actually this is a
great segue, Ted, to talk about
503
00:28:14,790 --> 00:28:18,120
some of the challenges you've
faced coming up through the system.
504
00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:22,080
Are there any stories you can share,
maybe most challenging weekends, things
505
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,350
you learned from those weekends that
have transformed you as a driver?
506
00:28:25,710 --> 00:28:29,040
The key is to learn the good
attributes or the good approach.
507
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:32,220
With me it was more, you know,
learning about weight management
508
00:28:32,490 --> 00:28:33,900
and not power management.
509
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,120
It's a philosophy of an approach.
510
00:28:36,660 --> 00:28:40,650
Racing is actually a lot like life.
511
00:28:40,980 --> 00:28:45,150
Well, certainly you have to want to
do it, but you need to understand
512
00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:49,620
you can be tested in what you
think you're gonna achieve.
513
00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:54,930
The year we, we went to
Porsche in 2016 in Gs.
514
00:28:55,050 --> 00:28:57,990
We were at Canada coming
down the back straightaway.
515
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:59,040
It was a test day.
516
00:28:59,190 --> 00:29:04,620
It was back in the, in the days when they
used to let the track have a promoter test
517
00:29:04,620 --> 00:29:08,340
day as a way to get some of the money back
that they were paying IMSA to come there.
518
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,260
And so they got money from us in
a test day, but he was coming down
519
00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:17,520
the back straight as he went into,
into brakes, and he lost brakes.
520
00:29:17,910 --> 00:29:21,060
Car went into the wall and we
were really worried about him.
521
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:24,360
So we lost a car for the
race, but we had another car.
522
00:29:24,570 --> 00:29:30,930
So I was in practice the very next day
and I was coming into the last turn and
523
00:29:30,930 --> 00:29:32,880
got tapped a little bit in the tail.
524
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:38,550
The car shot sideways, and I went right
into a concrete barrier and severed
525
00:29:38,550 --> 00:29:40,350
my achilles tendon, my right tendon.
526
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:41,910
I was done for the year.
527
00:29:42,060 --> 00:29:44,580
I couldn't even walk, and we
lost two cars that weekend.
528
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,750
Four and a half months later, I
was back driving a race car because
529
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,700
I wanted to drive a race car.
530
00:29:51,030 --> 00:29:57,090
And that drove my approach to my
surgery, which I was told the only way
531
00:29:57,180 --> 00:30:00,990
to be back a hundred percent is to get
full surgery and have, have the thing
532
00:30:00,990 --> 00:30:04,470
put back together because that's the
only way it'll be a hundred percent.
533
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,090
So I did that and I went through all
the therapy, did the thing, because
534
00:30:09,090 --> 00:30:10,830
I wanted to drive race cars again.
535
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,810
However that happened, like July
17th or something like that.
536
00:30:16,020 --> 00:30:20,730
The first weekend in August, Hugh
and Cosmo were driving the car.
537
00:30:20,910 --> 00:30:23,010
I was just sitting on the box watching.
538
00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:27,510
We're always plugging different
people into the team and we knew
539
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:30,900
that we were having the team, so
we, we wanted to have them together.
540
00:30:31,245 --> 00:30:34,125
To keep the energy moving
in the right direction.
541
00:30:34,245 --> 00:30:36,465
So that's sort of, kind of an example.
542
00:30:36,465 --> 00:30:39,885
You, you don't let the stuff slow you
down, and some of it's gonna be terrible.
543
00:30:40,155 --> 00:30:44,205
It wasn't the most bled thing that
I've ever done, but it's not the worst.
544
00:30:44,475 --> 00:30:44,955
Okay.
545
00:30:45,225 --> 00:30:48,735
But then I was racing in the,
in the IGT series in that
546
00:30:48,735 --> 00:30:50,205
series, erased only Porsches.
547
00:30:50,415 --> 00:30:51,945
We were racing at Daytona.
548
00:30:52,034 --> 00:30:55,155
I came through the kink,
screwed up, crashed the car.
549
00:30:55,215 --> 00:30:57,014
So I couldn't really continue.
550
00:30:57,225 --> 00:30:59,534
And so we're like, what
are we gonna do now?
551
00:30:59,925 --> 00:31:04,485
At the time I needed a Porsche
Cup car and I was racing a Porsche
552
00:31:04,485 --> 00:31:08,895
Cup car in another series, but
another team was doing it for me.
553
00:31:09,044 --> 00:31:09,975
It wasn't our guys.
554
00:31:10,185 --> 00:31:12,465
And so Hugh comes up with the idea.
555
00:31:12,465 --> 00:31:14,715
He says, let's go get the other car.
556
00:31:15,075 --> 00:31:15,885
So we're.
557
00:31:16,530 --> 00:31:17,640
Who's got the other car?
558
00:31:17,850 --> 00:31:22,320
Well, a CI had the other car,
so we called Kurt who owns a CI.
559
00:31:22,620 --> 00:31:23,820
This was on Saturday morning.
560
00:31:24,180 --> 00:31:27,210
He happened to be at a
funeral for his father.
561
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:33,120
Kurt hooks up with his guys in
Chattanooga and our guys drove
562
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,070
10 or 11 hours to Chattanooga.
563
00:31:35,310 --> 00:31:40,380
Met those guys at midnight, got
the car, brought it back, and
564
00:31:40,380 --> 00:31:42,660
then I was on track the next day.
565
00:31:43,170 --> 00:31:45,510
So why don't we do this?
566
00:31:45,780 --> 00:31:49,620
Because you're sort of driven
to wanna succeed because
567
00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:51,540
you've got a goal in in mind.
568
00:31:51,870 --> 00:31:58,230
So there are disappointments,
unpleasantries, but then you do it because
569
00:31:58,230 --> 00:32:02,370
you want to, because you have a desire
to succeed, you desire to improve, desire
570
00:32:02,370 --> 00:32:04,455
to get, and that's sort of where I am.
571
00:32:04,795 --> 00:32:09,960
So earlier you mentioned how your day
job in medical research, some of the
572
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,860
aspects of that, the data crunching
and the modeling have translated
573
00:32:13,860 --> 00:32:15,210
into the world of motorsport.
574
00:32:15,330 --> 00:32:18,660
Have any of the lessons you've
learned in Motorsport translated
575
00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:20,250
into your medical research work?
576
00:32:20,490 --> 00:32:26,040
It's not necessarily my work, but it
starts off in your world of that you were
577
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:32,730
talking about Formula One because those
folks have huge mathematical models and
578
00:32:32,790 --> 00:32:36,150
they have tons of data from their cars.
579
00:32:36,390 --> 00:32:38,580
It's such where they can go in.
580
00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:44,970
And change one piece of the data to
change and affect a part in the car
581
00:32:45,270 --> 00:32:48,570
and then rerun it for a whole race
to see if the part's gonna fail.
582
00:32:48,930 --> 00:32:52,920
We're not doing that, but
in medical research we are.
583
00:32:53,220 --> 00:32:54,420
Just think about it.
584
00:32:54,570 --> 00:32:59,340
I'm pretty much settled in the cancer
space and more specifically barreling down
585
00:32:59,370 --> 00:33:01,680
in the metastatic breast cancer space.
586
00:33:02,010 --> 00:33:06,090
So that's when cells get away and they
go to a distant part of the body and
587
00:33:06,090 --> 00:33:07,680
then they start making trouble there.
588
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:16,230
Imagine if there was a body part and
we could simulate that part in a model.
589
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:22,020
And then let's say it was cancer, and
we're getting the data inputs for the
590
00:33:22,020 --> 00:33:25,950
models from how cancer responds in mice.
591
00:33:26,405 --> 00:33:31,534
Then ultimately how it responds
in humans by measuring people that
592
00:33:31,534 --> 00:33:35,645
are in clinical trials, they're
taking data from these sources.
593
00:33:35,645 --> 00:33:39,455
It's, it's like the F1 guys
with the sensors for their car.
594
00:33:39,695 --> 00:33:44,344
We're using this other kinds of
data to try to model this, and
595
00:33:44,344 --> 00:33:48,604
then you can try to change the
therapeutics to be more effective.
596
00:33:48,875 --> 00:33:53,735
And so that's sort of how
the two relate together.
597
00:33:53,975 --> 00:33:59,615
And last year we started running the
moniker on the car driving research,
598
00:33:59,975 --> 00:34:02,074
and that comes from our research.
599
00:34:02,104 --> 00:34:07,264
My goal is to drive research the way
we do it in the United States in a
600
00:34:07,264 --> 00:34:08,475
different direction than what we do.
601
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,679
Pretty sure you guys will understand this.
602
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,810
You know where the red
zone is in football?
603
00:34:12,929 --> 00:34:13,409
Oh yeah.
604
00:34:13,650 --> 00:34:14,909
That's where the drug companies are.
605
00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:18,300
Just before you score from
the 20 back to the 50.
606
00:34:18,570 --> 00:34:20,130
That's where NIH is.
607
00:34:20,429 --> 00:34:24,900
I'm down the other end of the field
trying to figure out how cells migrate,
608
00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:26,460
how they split, what do they talk?
609
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:27,420
They talk to each other.
610
00:34:27,449 --> 00:34:28,500
What the hell are they saying?
611
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:32,040
Why does your immune system when
a cancer cell says, I'm okay?
612
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,330
Why is your immune system listen?
613
00:34:33,695 --> 00:34:34,804
Why does it attack it?
614
00:34:34,985 --> 00:34:37,895
So we're trying to find
out how this stuff works.
615
00:34:37,955 --> 00:34:41,885
And so if you knew how it worked, you
could come up with strategies to get
616
00:34:41,885 --> 00:34:44,465
down the field in a more effective way.
617
00:34:44,525 --> 00:34:48,485
And the drug companies only want to jump
in after things have been de-risked.
618
00:34:48,755 --> 00:34:52,175
They're closer to the ROI,
that's what their business is.
619
00:34:52,355 --> 00:34:56,435
But I'm trying to say, well, how
do we get people better, quicker?
620
00:34:56,645 --> 00:35:00,275
And maybe it's through modeling and
it's through a lot of the research
621
00:35:00,275 --> 00:35:03,275
that's getting published now from
a lot of our cancer researchers.
622
00:35:03,665 --> 00:35:06,575
That's why I say we're, that
we're driving actually came from
623
00:35:06,575 --> 00:35:07,925
one of my cancer researchers.
624
00:35:08,165 --> 00:35:10,175
He said, you're driving us somewhere.
625
00:35:10,385 --> 00:35:10,805
Yep.
626
00:35:10,895 --> 00:35:11,765
That's what we're doing.
627
00:35:12,095 --> 00:35:16,145
And so what's driving about it is I'm
investing down this end of the field.
628
00:35:16,580 --> 00:35:22,700
Other people aren't because down our into
the field, the risk of failure in the
629
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:27,980
context that the hypothesis, how we think
it works is not how it works is higher.
630
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,800
So we might not prove our hypothesis.
631
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:35,240
Research is based on Tom
proving his hypothesis and then
632
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:36,320
being able to get more money.
633
00:35:36,375 --> 00:35:39,110
That's his sustenance
in the research world.
634
00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:43,370
While I say, well, it's okay if
it doesn't work that way, as long
635
00:35:43,370 --> 00:35:44,720
as we just tell everybody that.
636
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,410
So now we all learn something and
it's no different than car racing.
637
00:35:48,740 --> 00:35:50,300
What do you think we
should do for a setup?
638
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,270
Well, we'll do this at
this track on this day.
639
00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:56,150
We go out and say, oh, that's terrible.
640
00:35:56,420 --> 00:35:57,620
Well, we failed.
641
00:35:58,110 --> 00:35:58,770
Now what do we do?
642
00:35:58,890 --> 00:36:00,000
Well, we gotta do something else.
643
00:36:00,210 --> 00:36:03,330
And so it's sort of crudely similar.
644
00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:04,110
Absolutely.
645
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:04,620
Yeah.
646
00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:08,340
There's a couple things I wanna pull
on there to clarify for our audience.
647
00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:11,280
You talked about investing
in the research space.
648
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,550
You talked about, you know, using Thomas
as an example to prove his hypothesis.
649
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:18,120
This sounds like the genesis
of the JKTG Foundation.
650
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,570
Do you wanna explain a little bit more
and elaborate on how that came to be
651
00:36:21,570 --> 00:36:23,460
and what it's about and what it means?
652
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,710
I alluded to the appeal.
653
00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:28,500
I was in between 2006 and 2012.
654
00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:34,050
I had my own consulting practice and
actually my wife was working with me
655
00:36:34,050 --> 00:36:36,540
in the consulting practice in 2001.
656
00:36:36,690 --> 00:36:39,960
Jane had, there was an initial
finding of breast cancer.
657
00:36:40,110 --> 00:36:43,890
They removed it and she got
radiation and had some other surgery
658
00:36:44,130 --> 00:36:46,740
and everything was fine until.
659
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:53,240
2008 when it emerged, it had
metastasized to her bone.
660
00:36:53,420 --> 00:36:57,290
Breast cancer likes to go to
bone, lung, liver, and brains.
661
00:36:57,470 --> 00:37:00,380
For whatever reason, we still
don't know why it has a preference.
662
00:37:00,380 --> 00:37:01,730
We're still working on that.
663
00:37:02,090 --> 00:37:03,770
So she had it in her left hip.
664
00:37:03,830 --> 00:37:04,970
That was in 2008.
665
00:37:04,970 --> 00:37:07,460
Then she went through all
kinds of of therapies.
666
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:10,160
December 31st, 2010, she's dead.
667
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,009
Two weeks later, we win the appeal.
668
00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:18,590
So during 2011, I knew I was
gonna get money out of it from the
669
00:37:18,590 --> 00:37:23,029
appeal, and so I started to think
about what I was gonna do next.
670
00:37:23,150 --> 00:37:24,470
And emerging through 12.
671
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:29,600
The idea of the JKTG Foundation was
born that I was gonna do something else.
672
00:37:29,955 --> 00:37:36,405
What I wound up doing was at the end
of 12, we started filing applications
673
00:37:36,405 --> 00:37:40,005
for tax exemption with the IRS and
they all, the legal eagles told me
674
00:37:40,005 --> 00:37:41,865
I would get approved in nine months.
675
00:37:42,045 --> 00:37:44,925
I got approved in nine
weeks as a game one.
676
00:37:45,135 --> 00:37:52,815
So the first part of 13 we worked in
things I knew it's the Jane Kaus, Ted
677
00:37:52,815 --> 00:37:55,935
Giovanni Foundation for Health and Policy.
678
00:37:56,145 --> 00:38:00,645
And so we jumped into the health
policy space, which is what I knew.
679
00:38:00,825 --> 00:38:06,975
And then in the middle of 14 we
moved into the cancer space and we
680
00:38:07,245 --> 00:38:09,105
pretty much been there ever since.
681
00:38:09,315 --> 00:38:15,135
So it was driven by Jane collided with
me wanting to do something different.
682
00:38:15,495 --> 00:38:19,035
What I, I'm doing with the
foundation is I funded it.
683
00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:24,615
I, I, I created an estate for it, which,
uh, the foundation has, but it could
684
00:38:24,615 --> 00:38:29,055
always use more money because if I had
more money, I'd spend it on more research
685
00:38:29,055 --> 00:38:30,675
and doing things that we can't answer.
686
00:38:30,884 --> 00:38:33,675
But that's sort of where it all came from.
687
00:38:33,705 --> 00:38:36,060
But it grew over a period of time.
688
00:38:36,635 --> 00:38:40,625
It was purposed by events
in my personal life.
689
00:38:40,985 --> 00:38:45,095
Well, what I'm driving towards with
this is we see all the time, logos,
690
00:38:45,095 --> 00:38:48,755
sponsorships, graphics, wraps,
all sorts of things on race cars.
691
00:38:48,755 --> 00:38:52,895
And we wonder all the time, what is
CrowdStrike really doing for that car?
692
00:38:52,895 --> 00:38:55,925
Or what is Pennzoil have
to do with this other car?
693
00:38:55,925 --> 00:38:56,615
Whatever it is.
694
00:38:56,615 --> 00:38:59,465
You know, if you look at all the iconic
liveries over the years, whether they were
695
00:38:59,465 --> 00:39:01,535
tobacco, alcohol, or whatever have you.
696
00:39:01,535 --> 00:39:03,545
But in your case, it's something real.
697
00:39:03,545 --> 00:39:06,365
It's something personal, and
it's something extremely pointed.
698
00:39:06,665 --> 00:39:09,965
Merging those two worlds, 'cause
you've continued to race throughout
699
00:39:09,965 --> 00:39:12,785
all of this time as you've been
building the foundation and whatnot.
700
00:39:13,025 --> 00:39:16,565
How has Motorsport helped
Springboard the foundation?
701
00:39:16,685 --> 00:39:19,385
How has it helped you gain
exposure for the foundation?
702
00:39:19,625 --> 00:39:21,905
Not as much as I want,
let's put it that way.
703
00:39:21,905 --> 00:39:24,815
But there's more people who
are becoming aware of it.
704
00:39:25,105 --> 00:39:26,545
I guess there's two aspects.
705
00:39:26,545 --> 00:39:30,475
One is you want other groups
and philanthropies or whatever
706
00:39:30,475 --> 00:39:32,815
to put money into research.
707
00:39:33,025 --> 00:39:37,915
It gets complicated because it's
not any old research, but it's
708
00:39:38,005 --> 00:39:39,655
funding totally differently.
709
00:39:39,775 --> 00:39:44,365
I don't pick organizations, I don't
pick big schools and I pick people.
710
00:39:44,605 --> 00:39:48,295
So you pick the best researchers,
and if they just happen to be at
711
00:39:48,325 --> 00:39:51,355
Tom Newman University, it's cool.
712
00:39:51,565 --> 00:39:53,725
I'm not going after Tom Newman University.
713
00:39:53,785 --> 00:39:54,715
I'm going after.
714
00:39:55,050 --> 00:39:57,480
Eric, who happens to have a lab there.
715
00:39:57,780 --> 00:40:00,990
Then we cook up a project with
them, which tends to emanate from
716
00:40:00,990 --> 00:40:03,390
an unfunded idea that you had.
717
00:40:03,570 --> 00:40:07,950
And good people tend to have really good
ideas, and so we wind up funding them.
718
00:40:08,010 --> 00:40:14,610
And what we do is we do it in a way,
it's not necessarily what the university
719
00:40:14,610 --> 00:40:16,500
wants because I'll tell you why.
720
00:40:16,740 --> 00:40:21,390
In a project of any, any sort, there's
always the direct research costs,
721
00:40:21,570 --> 00:40:24,960
what someone spends in the lab for
the postdoctoral students that are
722
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,160
doing the stuff and all that stuff.
723
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,170
And then there's the indirect cost.
724
00:40:28,410 --> 00:40:29,550
It's called overhead.
725
00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:36,600
What we do in working with the researcher,
we take this embryo and idea, we evolve
726
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,890
it into some kind of project, which
might look like a 10 or 12 page paper,
727
00:40:41,070 --> 00:40:46,560
and then we, the foundation come up
with an agreement with the university.
728
00:40:46,830 --> 00:40:50,370
Then the project is an
appendage to that contract.
729
00:40:50,730 --> 00:40:56,790
Then we talk to the university and we
don't allow much or any indirect costs.
730
00:40:57,029 --> 00:40:58,350
That's where they make their money.
731
00:40:58,859 --> 00:41:03,750
I'm interested in the researchers
and not the university per se.
732
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:09,089
And so what we're trying to do is I got
a really small glob of peanut butter
733
00:41:09,299 --> 00:41:12,240
and I'm trying to spread it on this
piece of bread without tearing it.
734
00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:15,779
So I'm trying to get as thin
as possible so I can do more
735
00:41:15,779 --> 00:41:17,040
with the guava peanut butter.
736
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:20,490
'cause they got a lot of things to
do, a lot of people to, to look after.
737
00:41:20,549 --> 00:41:24,029
And so that's why I don't
wanna blow it on indirect cost.
738
00:41:24,419 --> 00:41:28,169
I don't care about the president
of the university and their HR
739
00:41:28,169 --> 00:41:30,210
department or their fundraising people.
740
00:41:30,210 --> 00:41:31,200
I don't care about any of this.
741
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,460
Why do they need anything?
742
00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:34,169
They didn't really do anything for this.
743
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:38,430
I brought the money, researcher
did what he needs to do.
744
00:41:38,669 --> 00:41:42,930
He has the ideas and stuff, and for us,
if they get his direct cost funded, they
745
00:41:42,930 --> 00:41:46,140
were gonna probably have to pay his direct
cost if he didn't get this money anyway.
746
00:41:46,515 --> 00:41:47,445
So what's the problem?
747
00:41:47,685 --> 00:41:51,825
This tends to empower the
researcher and de power, if
748
00:41:51,825 --> 00:41:53,835
that's a word, the university.
749
00:41:53,985 --> 00:41:57,795
And so that dynamic, it changes
a lot of these researchers.
750
00:41:57,795 --> 00:42:02,835
We've funded stuff for eight or
so years and they're always coming
751
00:42:02,835 --> 00:42:07,065
up with new and better things, and
we're always expanding our bandwidth.
752
00:42:07,365 --> 00:42:11,445
And so the more we learn, the more
everybody learns, the more it becomes
753
00:42:11,445 --> 00:42:15,134
an intellectual feeding frenzy where
everybody wants to work on these
754
00:42:15,134 --> 00:42:17,535
different kinds of modeling projects.
755
00:42:17,654 --> 00:42:21,945
You know, some of it you can't see
directly from here to the patient.
756
00:42:22,005 --> 00:42:27,735
Like some guy came up with a new modeling
grammar that allows all researchers
757
00:42:27,855 --> 00:42:33,134
to get this software that he created
and be able to see if their project
758
00:42:33,315 --> 00:42:35,475
has any anything worth doing there.
759
00:42:35,775 --> 00:42:39,134
And they can do it within having an
hour of tutoring without having a
760
00:42:39,134 --> 00:42:41,355
bioinformatics person on their staff.
761
00:42:41,775 --> 00:42:46,365
So you get more people finding
out more good or bad, it'll
762
00:42:46,365 --> 00:42:48,105
work at Walmart, work faster.
763
00:42:48,315 --> 00:42:52,275
So more faster leads to a progress.
764
00:42:52,455 --> 00:42:52,695
Yeah.
765
00:42:52,695 --> 00:42:56,235
And that leads to a really interesting
question about the use of AI both
766
00:42:56,235 --> 00:42:58,815
in your day job and in Motorsport.
767
00:42:58,935 --> 00:43:01,634
So where do you see that
playing a role in both cases?
768
00:43:01,725 --> 00:43:06,225
Well, they're already using it in some
of our cancer research projects, but it
769
00:43:06,225 --> 00:43:08,265
needs to be managed by the right people.
770
00:43:08,445 --> 00:43:15,045
But yeah, AI is emerging right now at
being very good at certain dimensions of
771
00:43:15,045 --> 00:43:18,165
healthcare, like reading radiology films.
772
00:43:18,525 --> 00:43:25,875
AI is much better at determining whether
cancer is present or not present.
773
00:43:25,935 --> 00:43:31,365
It's like 95% accurate, whereas
doctors are 65% accurate.
774
00:43:31,575 --> 00:43:34,695
Don't take this hook and go out to
see what my understanding of how
775
00:43:34,785 --> 00:43:39,075
that comes to be is AI is better.
776
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:44,240
At determining what the
good part of the film is.
777
00:43:44,660 --> 00:43:46,850
I mean, my whole hand was alone.
778
00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:48,920
There's one little.here that's bad.
779
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:55,040
So what the AI is seeing is all of this
other space that it's perceiving that it's
780
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:57,530
very similar than it's not a bad part.
781
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:58,070
You see what I mean?
782
00:43:58,220 --> 00:44:01,460
So it becomes more better at
that, which makes it good at
783
00:44:01,460 --> 00:44:02,960
identifying the bad stuff.
784
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,400
And so one of our projects
is doing that same thing with
785
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,130
looking at biopsies of cancer.
786
00:44:10,490 --> 00:44:15,110
And in order to do this AI,
you need a supercomputer.
787
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:19,430
And so only so many people have it and
it obviously it's all over the news,
788
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:21,170
gonna need a lot, lot of electricity.
789
00:44:21,380 --> 00:44:25,310
And it's not necessarily to power the
computer, it's to power the cooling
790
00:44:25,310 --> 00:44:28,670
mechanisms you need to keep everything
cool when you're running these babies.
791
00:44:28,820 --> 00:44:30,230
So you can't just go.
792
00:44:30,504 --> 00:44:33,535
Oh, the three of us are
gonna start using ai.
793
00:44:33,745 --> 00:44:37,315
We gotta have this little infrastructure,
the whole reason pit race got sold.
794
00:44:37,315 --> 00:44:38,424
But we'll leave that where it is.
795
00:44:39,535 --> 00:44:42,654
The biopsy project's gonna take,
probably it's gonna take a year and
796
00:44:42,654 --> 00:44:44,515
a half to feed the biopsies in there.
797
00:44:44,694 --> 00:44:47,754
'cause it takes like an
hour and a half to scan one.
798
00:44:47,815 --> 00:44:50,815
You get in there and then you can
start to do some analytics of it.
799
00:44:51,025 --> 00:44:53,605
You gotta have some baseline information.
800
00:44:53,605 --> 00:44:58,795
So you gotta have a scan and you have
to know something's wrong with the scan.
801
00:44:59,065 --> 00:45:03,565
So then you can put this in there and
then you can say to ai, Hey, look at this.
802
00:45:03,775 --> 00:45:04,615
What's wrong?
803
00:45:04,855 --> 00:45:05,754
'cause you know the answer.
804
00:45:05,964 --> 00:45:07,615
It's sort of kind of like that.
805
00:45:07,734 --> 00:45:10,285
So that's what we're doing with biopsies.
806
00:45:10,345 --> 00:45:15,984
And so you'll see this emerge
more on the diagnostics, x-rays,
807
00:45:15,984 --> 00:45:17,424
whatever their diagnostics.
808
00:45:17,424 --> 00:45:21,835
And then I think you'll see it
emerge into more treatments or
809
00:45:21,924 --> 00:45:24,055
more monitoring during treatment.
810
00:45:24,205 --> 00:45:28,315
Once we know it's there and we
decide on a certain therapy.
811
00:45:28,620 --> 00:45:31,350
We have to go back and look and
say, is the therapy working?
812
00:45:31,410 --> 00:45:32,220
Are we doing good?
813
00:45:32,220 --> 00:45:33,240
Are we doing not so good?
814
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:37,380
That's sort of where the whole
thing, uh, will shake out first,
815
00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:38,610
but it's gonna take a while.
816
00:45:38,910 --> 00:45:41,940
You know, the limitations, the
physical stuff, you know what I mean?
817
00:45:42,030 --> 00:45:44,670
The supercomputers, the
having the data to train it.
818
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,980
I'll ask you two, what idiot in their
right mind would fund a project that
819
00:45:49,980 --> 00:45:54,600
deals most of the cost is feeding
data and scanning it into a machine.
820
00:45:54,990 --> 00:45:57,420
The Department of Defense,
well, well, that's me.
821
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,220
I'm paying for that, but you're right.
822
00:45:59,970 --> 00:46:00,600
Could do that.
823
00:46:00,750 --> 00:46:04,110
But I mean, it's like that's what
you're trying to do, but, and we
824
00:46:04,110 --> 00:46:07,710
don't have the stuff scanned in
to be able to train this thing.
825
00:46:07,860 --> 00:46:11,640
It's gotta have all the pieces
together so it's the right people,
826
00:46:11,850 --> 00:46:13,320
sort of the right conditions.
827
00:46:13,814 --> 00:46:17,595
That's why I'm driving research
with how we're picking people.
828
00:46:17,654 --> 00:46:19,845
That's sort of the simple version of it.
829
00:46:20,115 --> 00:46:24,825
Let's switch gears and get back into
some more racing conversation, shall we?
830
00:46:25,004 --> 00:46:28,575
In my experience, and certainly it's
not anything that's approached yours.
831
00:46:28,725 --> 00:46:34,694
We've seen some professional drivers move
down from MS IMSA at the true professional
832
00:46:34,694 --> 00:46:39,464
level, kind of like as a guest driver
for some of the amateur endurance racing
833
00:46:39,464 --> 00:46:46,125
teams and take a, a, a spin in their car,
whether that's Randy Popes in the 24 hours
834
00:46:46,125 --> 00:46:51,285
of, of lemons or other drivers coming down
for the American Endurance Racing Series.
835
00:46:51,404 --> 00:46:54,435
Have you thought about doing any of
that if, uh, if you were offered a
836
00:46:54,435 --> 00:46:58,365
seat or do you have some prohibitions
based on where you're at now?
837
00:46:58,604 --> 00:47:00,799
To be honest with you, it's
more time availability.
838
00:47:01,475 --> 00:47:03,154
More than anything else.
839
00:47:03,275 --> 00:47:07,595
I mean, if I think about it, that was
one of the factors when I was racing
840
00:47:07,715 --> 00:47:14,345
IGT, I kind of ran out of time to do that
and what we were doing, because what we
841
00:47:14,465 --> 00:47:20,915
started to do as we purchased new cars,
we tested more, and as we test it more,
842
00:47:21,154 --> 00:47:22,895
that's sort of where your time goes.
843
00:47:22,895 --> 00:47:24,785
So it's the question of
what do you have the time?
844
00:47:24,785 --> 00:47:28,355
So I consider doing
that maybe more for fun.
845
00:47:28,565 --> 00:47:33,485
But the reason those pros migrate
down there, a lot of those guys, they
846
00:47:33,485 --> 00:47:36,575
don't have rides in the other series.
847
00:47:36,944 --> 00:47:39,285
And so they need to make money
somewhere so they have driver
848
00:47:39,285 --> 00:47:41,384
coaching done at the lower end.
849
00:47:41,564 --> 00:47:42,015
Gotcha.
850
00:47:42,225 --> 00:47:44,415
It's a different kind of
definition of a gentleman.
851
00:47:44,415 --> 00:47:44,924
Driver.
852
00:47:45,134 --> 00:47:45,435
Yeah.
853
00:47:45,555 --> 00:47:48,464
It's a person with money that
doesn't really make their
854
00:47:48,464 --> 00:47:50,115
living at driving race cars.
855
00:47:50,174 --> 00:47:50,475
Right.
856
00:47:50,654 --> 00:47:53,625
And I'm glad you brought that up,
Ted, because there's a lot of people
857
00:47:53,745 --> 00:47:57,615
that share the sentiment that there
aren't gentlemen drivers left anymore.
858
00:47:57,884 --> 00:48:01,185
You know, like the Graham Hills and
you know, those types of back in the
859
00:48:01,185 --> 00:48:04,904
day that to your point, they all had
day jobs doing something else, but they
860
00:48:04,904 --> 00:48:09,104
had the fortitude and they also had the
fortunes to be able to go and do racing
861
00:48:09,104 --> 00:48:12,615
in their, say, in their midlife versus
these kids that are starting out four or
862
00:48:12,615 --> 00:48:16,604
five years old and go-karts and working
their way up to the pro ranks by, you
863
00:48:16,604 --> 00:48:18,345
know, their 21st birthday kind of thing.
864
00:48:18,495 --> 00:48:22,694
As someone who did start racing later
in life compared to these other folks
865
00:48:22,694 --> 00:48:27,584
as as examples, what message do you
hope your story brings to other people?
866
00:48:27,584 --> 00:48:29,564
What Can you share any advice.
867
00:48:29,940 --> 00:48:35,460
First of all, whatever kids are coming up,
they gotta do this because they love it.
868
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,950
They gotta really like to do it.
869
00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:41,430
What was it the, the old quote that
Richard Petty said, they said, uh,
870
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:45,210
Richard, what would you like them to
say as your epitaph when you're gone?
871
00:48:45,330 --> 00:48:48,840
And he said, I would like him to
say he was a man who had a job,
872
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,460
who liked his job and did it well.
873
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:54,090
Uh, when you think about it,
he didn't mention money, but
874
00:48:54,180 --> 00:48:55,740
money came because he did it.
875
00:48:55,740 --> 00:49:00,810
Well, the dynamic in racing now,
it's very competitive to get in.
876
00:49:01,140 --> 00:49:05,175
When you're driving, particularly
in an endurance series, you
877
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,280
need a driver with discipline.
878
00:49:08,550 --> 00:49:12,330
And a young driver that wants to
prove themselves may get a little too
879
00:49:12,330 --> 00:49:16,590
enthusiastic sometimes, which leads to
crash damage, which who pays for that?
880
00:49:16,650 --> 00:49:20,880
So you need to be in control
of yourself when you're doing
881
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,710
stuff in more ways than one.
882
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:27,270
I'm pretty much a weird
bird in that why do I race?
883
00:49:28,620 --> 00:49:33,690
The series, which is arguably probably
the most competitive series in the
884
00:49:33,690 --> 00:49:38,520
United States, because I know when I'm
driving, I'm gonna be close to laugh.
885
00:49:38,850 --> 00:49:39,870
Why would I do that?
886
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,890
And it's because of the
competitive pond I'm in.
887
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,870
It drives me and, and I'm sure if he
were here, he would tell you, we do
888
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:55,590
better overall when I do better because
I give him the car in a better position.
889
00:49:55,860 --> 00:49:59,100
That gets us back to the, the pairings.
890
00:49:59,130 --> 00:50:03,810
It's like we have to take the
two mes and make them a we.
891
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:08,730
He knows he can't do anything
to set up that I can't handle.
892
00:50:08,970 --> 00:50:11,310
It's not demeaning to me what I just said.
893
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:12,750
It's just the talent.
894
00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:19,830
But when I can do well on average, then
he's in the top 10 all the time and that's
895
00:50:19,830 --> 00:50:22,230
how we won the bronze and set simple.
896
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,070
And while you're in the heat of battle,
you don't recognize what you're doing.
897
00:50:26,220 --> 00:50:27,600
You sort of really don't.
898
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,790
And this year was like that.
899
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,420
We didn't do good at Daytona.
900
00:50:31,420 --> 00:50:34,509
And then we sort of did a little
bit better at the Seing, and then
901
00:50:34,509 --> 00:50:36,220
we went for the next couple races.
902
00:50:36,220 --> 00:50:37,810
We were like not so good.
903
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,350
And so we were behind in the
points, but we won bronze.
904
00:50:41,529 --> 00:50:45,580
And it wasn't until the end of the
year, Hugh says, he said, well, you
905
00:50:45,580 --> 00:50:48,040
know, we won bronze, we were dominant.
906
00:50:48,190 --> 00:50:49,509
I said, are you kidding?
907
00:50:49,509 --> 00:50:51,310
We, we won by 200 points.
908
00:50:51,370 --> 00:50:52,569
That's like, like dominant.
909
00:50:52,660 --> 00:50:56,860
And he said, and then when you look
at it, I read the Yearend review.
910
00:50:56,980 --> 00:50:59,080
We were terrible in Canada.
911
00:50:59,110 --> 00:51:00,790
We were terrible at Watkins Glen.
912
00:51:01,090 --> 00:51:03,460
Watkins Glen was on me,
Canada was on the crew.
913
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:07,120
And then we started to come back and
then we said, so then we go to VIR.
914
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,980
We won VIR for Broads.
915
00:51:09,509 --> 00:51:12,720
Before that we had won Road
America, and then we went to Indy.
916
00:51:12,810 --> 00:51:16,379
We won Indy, and then we went
to Road Atlanta and we won that.
917
00:51:16,649 --> 00:51:19,725
And I was like, oh yeah,
we were pretty dominant.
918
00:51:20,460 --> 00:51:24,580
And so I didn't realize it
until after everything was over.
919
00:51:25,365 --> 00:51:29,504
And then like my experiences, I
guess what the, the big takeaway
920
00:51:29,504 --> 00:51:31,035
is do it because you love it.
921
00:51:31,185 --> 00:51:35,115
Don't get disappointed because there's
gonna be disappointments along the way.
922
00:51:35,115 --> 00:51:37,575
Mine were just physical
or crash or whatever.
923
00:51:37,904 --> 00:51:42,825
And you need to have a lot of discipline
and set your brain such that you are
924
00:51:42,825 --> 00:51:46,634
willing to learn from anybody because
the more you learn from the broader
925
00:51:46,634 --> 00:51:48,345
the base, the better off you'll be.
926
00:51:48,555 --> 00:51:51,404
The hard part for the younger
guys now is getting in a car.
927
00:51:51,705 --> 00:51:58,125
Because while talent helps to get you
recognized, ultimately you're gonna need
928
00:51:58,125 --> 00:52:02,924
some money to get you in a seat and get
you in a right car, that kind of stuff.
929
00:52:03,105 --> 00:52:07,605
Now, there's some scholarship programs
now, but they're not big money.
930
00:52:07,725 --> 00:52:08,565
They really aren't.
931
00:52:08,865 --> 00:52:12,585
So I think a lot of the kids coming
up are gonna be family funded
932
00:52:12,705 --> 00:52:16,665
of some sort, but it's sort of
competitive going to the, like the
933
00:52:16,665 --> 00:52:19,065
GT four platform and the GT three.
934
00:52:19,065 --> 00:52:20,625
But let's just talk about the GT four.
935
00:52:20,835 --> 00:52:24,375
We used to be able to build
a a GS car for 150 grand.
936
00:52:24,585 --> 00:52:27,915
In order to buy a new car, you're
gotta buy pay three 50 or three 30.
937
00:52:28,215 --> 00:52:31,245
So the price of entry has gone
in just to sit at the table.
938
00:52:31,245 --> 00:52:32,625
You have to have so many chips.
939
00:52:32,970 --> 00:52:36,180
For the younger guys, you get
into a situation where, what
940
00:52:36,180 --> 00:52:39,570
kind of an individual would
I let drive my 350,000 car?
941
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:40,260
That's fair.
942
00:52:40,530 --> 00:52:40,800
Yeah.
943
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,540
Three 50,000 cars consume
brakes and rotors and gas and
944
00:52:45,540 --> 00:52:46,920
tires and all that kinda stuff.
945
00:52:46,980 --> 00:52:49,560
We're gonna be spending a thousand
bucks a piece on tire texture.
946
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:54,660
When they went to this homologated
platform, the cost of racing went up.
947
00:52:54,810 --> 00:52:58,470
That's ultimately will be a, a
limitation for people, I think.
948
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,090
I mean, how do you get in?
949
00:53:00,180 --> 00:53:03,480
It's like Tom's saving money
to buy a new car and now he
950
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,700
finally gets up to 25 grand.
951
00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:09,570
Now he finds out the price of the car
is 40 and you're like, God, I saved
952
00:53:09,570 --> 00:53:13,320
all this money to get to this point
and now I can't get the car because
953
00:53:13,410 --> 00:53:14,910
you're always chasing it, basically.
954
00:53:14,970 --> 00:53:15,240
Right.
955
00:53:15,450 --> 00:53:20,550
And so that's part of the problem and
that's what happened with the economics
956
00:53:20,550 --> 00:53:23,520
of racing where the manufacturers.
957
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,700
Pay the series to be in the series.
958
00:53:27,060 --> 00:53:34,535
Michelin pays the series to be the tire
VP Fuels pays the series be in the series.
959
00:53:35,205 --> 00:53:39,495
The tracks pay the series
to come to the track.
960
00:53:39,615 --> 00:53:40,695
You get a pattern here.
961
00:53:41,450 --> 00:53:41,720
Oh yeah.
962
00:53:42,915 --> 00:53:46,305
And so because of that,
with tires, it's fine.
963
00:53:46,305 --> 00:53:48,375
We have to buy the Michelins
and everything was fine.
964
00:53:48,435 --> 00:53:49,755
And then, oh, guess what?
965
00:53:49,755 --> 00:53:52,215
They put tariffs on it because
they're all coming from France.
966
00:53:52,455 --> 00:53:52,695
Uh oh.
967
00:53:54,115 --> 00:53:58,610
Uh, speaking of which for me, I
have one last question for you, Ted.
968
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,870
Since you are at the pinnacle of
endurance racing in the United States,
969
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:05,660
are there any future plans for Lamar?
970
00:54:05,690 --> 00:54:09,110
And can I carry your suitcase
if the answer is yes.
971
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:14,150
Well, I already considered Lamar
and in 2020 he asked me that.
972
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:18,410
He said, have you ever thought about
doing anything bigger and going to Lamont?
973
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:19,279
All that kind of stuff.
974
00:54:19,460 --> 00:54:23,240
Despite my involvement,
that was the first year.
975
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:25,220
This was 19 to 20.
976
00:54:25,549 --> 00:54:29,180
That was the first year in January
when we raced at Daytona, I
977
00:54:29,180 --> 00:54:31,580
decided to stay over for the 24th.
978
00:54:31,820 --> 00:54:34,009
I've never stayed for the 24th myself.
979
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:35,120
'cause we race on Friday.
980
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,460
I usually leave and watch it
on tv like the rest of you.
981
00:54:37,850 --> 00:54:41,540
I decided to stay over and it just
so happened that we had passes
982
00:54:41,690 --> 00:54:43,910
to get into the Cadillac suite.
983
00:54:44,460 --> 00:54:46,170
We had raced with Chevy.
984
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:48,000
Chevy didn't have a suite but Caddy.
985
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,170
They got us in the caddy.
986
00:54:49,410 --> 00:54:54,150
We were there looking at it and I
was watching the 24 and I said, you
987
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:58,620
know, I could go to La Mall, which
is a two or three year run 'cause
988
00:54:58,620 --> 00:55:00,090
you gotta go to the road, to LA Mall.
989
00:55:00,090 --> 00:55:05,010
You have to, I'm gonna go to a attract
that's thousands of miles away that I
990
00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:07,650
could only run on so many times a year.
991
00:55:07,980 --> 00:55:09,240
Why don't I do this?
992
00:55:09,450 --> 00:55:11,670
Why don't I do this 24 hours in Daytona?
993
00:55:11,820 --> 00:55:16,740
And that led to me running
the 24 in 21, 22, and 23.
994
00:55:17,070 --> 00:55:18,600
And the first two were in Porsche.
995
00:55:18,750 --> 00:55:20,685
The second, uh, last one was in Anas.
996
00:55:21,379 --> 00:55:27,020
Probably not gonna go to LA Mall,
certainly as a driver, but I probably
997
00:55:27,020 --> 00:55:29,899
am gonna run to 24 as a Daytona again.
998
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:30,470
Very good.
999
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,770
The most likely time is gonna be in 27.
1000
00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:37,850
So that's sort of what's
more in my racing future.
1001
00:55:37,850 --> 00:55:42,680
If there's a bigger thing with my other
son in my world with cancer research,
1002
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,370
I'm gonna figure out how change, how
we think about research, and that's
1003
00:55:46,370 --> 00:55:48,410
sort of my other objective over there.
1004
00:55:48,410 --> 00:55:50,660
But no Tom, so I'm not going to the mall.
1005
00:55:51,169 --> 00:55:54,439
Probably be watching that on TV
too with the rest of you guys.
1006
00:55:54,649 --> 00:55:58,459
Yeah, Daytona is interesting
enough, let's put it that way.
1007
00:55:58,580 --> 00:56:01,640
The Advantage Daytona
has is it has lights.
1008
00:56:01,850 --> 00:56:05,390
It's not light alone, Lamont,
it's as we, a friend of mine used
1009
00:56:05,390 --> 00:56:07,339
to say, it's pretty dusky here.
1010
00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:10,560
It's like being at the
back of BIR at night.
1011
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,509
It's pretty dark back there.
1012
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:12,690
Yeah.
1013
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:17,069
But at Daytona it's a
different kind of exhilaration.
1014
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:21,509
You get similar talent pools 'cause
you get people that won the Indy 500
1015
00:56:21,509 --> 00:56:23,430
there and Scott Dixon drives there.
1016
00:56:23,850 --> 00:56:26,610
They're in the prototypes, but
you're all on the track with them
1017
00:56:26,790 --> 00:56:29,220
and everything's sort of works out.
1018
00:56:29,310 --> 00:56:34,560
The biggest problem with running
the 24 is driver degradation.
1019
00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:39,600
And that's why they try to keep
the gentleman drivers more in the
1020
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,310
light than on the in the darkness.
1021
00:56:41,339 --> 00:56:44,970
'cause bad stuff happens in the dark
and that's what they say at the 24.
1022
00:56:44,970 --> 00:56:46,860
If you make it through the
night, you get a chance.
1023
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:51,240
When we ran the Aston in 23, uh,
we had a left rear hub that broke.
1024
00:56:51,330 --> 00:56:54,930
So that was sort of that, that
kind of put a rip in our sail.
1025
00:56:54,930 --> 00:56:55,740
But they fixed it.
1026
00:56:55,799 --> 00:56:58,529
I mean, we were back out,
but that's the only one.
1027
00:56:58,770 --> 00:57:01,259
The other year we finished like
seventh or something like that.
1028
00:57:01,589 --> 00:57:02,610
And GDD.
1029
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,700
Ted, you talked about doing
a little retrospective
1030
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:08,160
analysis over the 2025 season.
1031
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:12,029
Let's take that a little bit further,
and if you look back over your very
1032
00:57:12,029 --> 00:57:15,839
long racing career, what's your proudest
moment and why does it stand out?
1033
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:17,009
Can I pick three?
1034
00:57:17,189 --> 00:57:17,790
Sure.
1035
00:57:17,970 --> 00:57:19,439
Not in any particular order.
1036
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:24,359
The first one would be winning the IGT
Championship, my favorite, because there
1037
00:57:24,359 --> 00:57:27,629
are like multiple classes of Porsches.
1038
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:30,810
It's basically an aggregation of points.
1039
00:57:30,930 --> 00:57:36,600
So you could be running against me in a GT
three car, I mean a real GT three Porsche,
1040
00:57:36,810 --> 00:57:39,390
and it's how much we all make points.
1041
00:57:39,540 --> 00:57:43,589
And so it was actually winning
against three different classes.
1042
00:57:43,935 --> 00:57:47,055
So whoever had the best, so
that was sort of a big moment.
1043
00:57:47,055 --> 00:57:49,695
The other one would probably
be this year, winning the two
1044
00:57:49,695 --> 00:57:51,705
bronzes this for the second year.
1045
00:57:51,705 --> 00:57:56,625
That would, that's sort of a big deal
'cause it's becoming harder to do.
1046
00:57:56,895 --> 00:58:03,465
But I would, I would almost say that the
most significant thing was at the 2024
1047
00:58:03,795 --> 00:58:08,775
in some banquet when we were getting the
awards was something that two guys said
1048
00:58:08,775 --> 00:58:10,605
to me from two different perspectives.
1049
00:58:10,695 --> 00:58:14,715
Uh, one was the series manager for
our series and the other one was
1050
00:58:14,715 --> 00:58:16,905
a guy that's team owner of JDC.
1051
00:58:17,235 --> 00:58:22,515
They both at the banquet said,
we noticed you are getting faster
1052
00:58:22,575 --> 00:58:24,375
because that's what it's about.
1053
00:58:24,735 --> 00:58:27,255
It's always about me versus me.
1054
00:58:27,495 --> 00:58:33,315
And if I am able to achieve that while
I'm getting older, that's like a big deal.
1055
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,850
It means I'm not losing it.
1056
00:58:35,970 --> 00:58:37,050
I'm doing something right.
1057
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,170
I'm not doing everything right
by no means, but it means that
1058
00:58:40,170 --> 00:58:41,580
compared to me, I'm getting better.
1059
00:58:41,580 --> 00:58:43,830
So that's a kind of a good thing.
1060
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:49,470
And when that stops, that's when I'll
do something different or recalibrate
1061
00:58:49,470 --> 00:58:51,960
and drive slower cars or something.
1062
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,730
Achievements a one thing, but what
you really want to achieve is about
1063
00:58:56,730 --> 00:59:00,270
improving yourself, and that's what
the young drivers need to focus on.
1064
00:59:00,645 --> 00:59:01,545
Prove yourself.
1065
00:59:01,725 --> 00:59:03,045
That's what I've always said.
1066
00:59:03,285 --> 00:59:07,335
If I worry about fixing me, the
me versus the other guys will
1067
00:59:07,335 --> 00:59:09,045
take care of itself eventually.
1068
00:59:10,455 --> 00:59:11,025
Advice.
1069
00:59:11,475 --> 00:59:15,135
Alright, Ted, well, we've reached that
part of the episode where I like to
1070
00:59:15,135 --> 00:59:19,215
invite our guests to share any shout
outs, promotions, thank yous, or anything
1071
00:59:19,215 --> 00:59:20,925
else that we haven't covered thus far.
1072
00:59:21,255 --> 00:59:25,245
This is not meant to be salesy,
but for finding out more about
1073
00:59:25,245 --> 00:59:30,315
cancer research and what we're
doing, go to jktg foundation.org.
1074
00:59:30,375 --> 00:59:31,905
It will tell you a lot
of what we're doing.
1075
00:59:31,965 --> 00:59:36,615
Also, you can go and just
search me ted gi honest.com.
1076
00:59:36,675 --> 00:59:40,395
That's my website, but that'll tell
you the other dimensions, including
1077
00:59:40,425 --> 00:59:45,315
it'll get you to the racing site, TGM
racing, and it will tell you a lot of
1078
00:59:45,375 --> 00:59:49,935
things that we're doing and I think
for a lot of people that are either
1079
00:59:49,935 --> 00:59:54,285
in business or racing or whatever,
follow me on LinkedIn and Instagram.
1080
00:59:54,569 --> 00:59:58,590
Because when you find, see, my LinkedIn
posts are all about helping people.
1081
00:59:58,710 --> 01:00:01,950
The posts are taken from things
I've learned from racing, but
1082
01:00:01,950 --> 01:00:04,049
it's also in business and in life.
1083
01:00:04,110 --> 01:00:06,240
And so I'm not selling anything.
1084
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,970
I'm trying to help people, trying
to get through all this stuff
1085
01:00:08,970 --> 01:00:10,170
that we call life, you know?
1086
01:00:10,350 --> 01:00:13,500
And so it's not gonna be smooth, and
it's not gonna be straightforward,
1087
01:00:13,875 --> 01:00:15,600
but, but you can make it through it.
1088
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:16,710
Keep the face.
1089
01:00:17,250 --> 01:00:17,790
Keep going.
1090
01:00:18,210 --> 01:00:21,990
Well, folks that wraps up today's
conversation with Ted Giovannis.
1091
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,100
Ted's story proves that racing isn't
only for the young, but for anyone with
1092
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:30,060
the drive and dedication to chase their
passion from competing in endurance
1093
01:00:30,060 --> 01:00:34,440
racing to leading groundbreaking efforts
through the JKTG Foundation, Ted's story
1094
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,100
is a reminder that it's never too late
to chase your dreams and make an impact.
1095
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,980
If you'd like to learn more about
Ted's journey, his racing efforts,
1096
01:00:40,980 --> 01:00:44,250
or his foundation's important work
in advancing medical research, be
1097
01:00:44,250 --> 01:00:49,440
sure to visit jktg foundation.org
and follow along with updates from
1098
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,840
JKTG Foundation on social media.
1099
01:00:52,215 --> 01:00:54,825
And with that, Ted, I can't
thank you enough for sharing your
1100
01:00:54,825 --> 01:00:56,505
evening with us here on Break Fix.
1101
01:00:56,505 --> 01:01:01,515
And I have to say, if it wasn't said
earlier, for those listening at home, Ted
1102
01:01:01,515 --> 01:01:06,435
is about to celebrate his 80th birthday
proving that you're never too old to
1103
01:01:06,435 --> 01:01:08,595
get behind the wheel of a race car.
1104
01:01:08,715 --> 01:01:12,585
And if that isn't inspiring for
all of us to get off the couch,
1105
01:01:12,585 --> 01:01:15,315
get out of the garages and get
on track, I don't know what is.
1106
01:01:15,375 --> 01:01:16,785
So Ted, keep going.
1107
01:01:16,785 --> 01:01:18,015
As long as you can keep going.
1108
01:01:18,015 --> 01:01:18,735
This is awesome.
1109
01:01:18,915 --> 01:01:20,865
I will, that's, that's
what I plan on doing.
1110
01:01:21,165 --> 01:01:22,605
So it's uh, it's really good.
1111
01:01:22,875 --> 01:01:25,935
I don't know what the future
holds, but I'm going to be finding
1112
01:01:25,935 --> 01:01:27,345
out, let's put it that way.
1113
01:01:27,345 --> 01:01:29,235
I'm gonna be doing, doing it to the end.
1114
01:01:29,565 --> 01:01:29,895
All good.
1115
01:01:29,895 --> 01:01:31,455
Thank you for, for having me on.
1116
01:01:31,455 --> 01:01:32,445
Thanks for being with you too.
1117
01:01:32,445 --> 01:01:34,215
Thanks for hooking up with Tom again.
1118
01:01:34,515 --> 01:01:34,965
Thanks, Ted.
1119
01:01:34,965 --> 01:01:36,285
It was great seeing you as always.
1120
01:01:41,145 --> 01:01:45,464
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1121
01:01:45,464 --> 01:01:47,504
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