Unsolved LPSO: Barbara Blount Part 3 | Behind the Scenes with Sheriff Jason Ard #13

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Hello, everyone.
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Welcome to behind the scenes with Sheriff Jason Hart.
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I'm Jason Hart.
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We started this podcast to educate everyone on the role of the Lewis and Fair Sheriff's Office.
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We are about serving and protecting our community.
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On this podcast, we will tackle lots of topics.
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Well, good morning.
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I am going to be continuing our episodes on Barbara Blunt.
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It's been 17 years.
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We all want to know what happened to her.
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This is one of those cases that sticks with you.
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I think all, including the family, we just want answers.
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And we're not going to stop until we get those answers and hopefully bring some kind of justice to Barbara Blunt who very much deserves it.
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Today I have in the studio with me two gentlemen that you've never heard from that were actually the assigned detectives on the Barbara Blunt case.
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One is uh currently with me at the sheriff's office, which is Captain Kevin Harold.
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Thanks for being with me today, Kevin.
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Glad to be here.
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And uh the other is Mr.
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Chuck Watts, who is a retired detective from the Lewison Paris Sheriff's Office.
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Uh Chuck and I worked together for years.
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And uh Chuck, you worked a lot of big cases uh when you was at the sheriff's office.
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Most of the most of our high profile cases, I know you were assigned.
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I remember that like it was yesterday.
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But uh Chuck Watts, thank you for being here today.
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Thank you, Sheriff.
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And uh so as we get into this case a little bit more, I wanted you to hear from the guys, like I said, the boots on the ground.
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We'll take you behind the scenes a little bit.
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And uh Chuck, you uh how long was you with the sheriff's office?
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When did you start?
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I started somewhere around uh mid to late 80s.
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Okay.
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And uh and you where did you start?
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You was in juvenile at one time.
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I think that's it feel like that's where you were when I actually first came to work here in '93, but I can't really remember.
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I started out at the detention center, as most people do.
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And uh I stayed there a while and uh went through transportation for a little while and then on the road and uh uh actually went into juvenile and eventually into detectives.
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Just for the record, the reason I I didn't meet Chuck when he was a juvenile detective and I was being unruly juvenile.
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No, no, okay.
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Should have should have.
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Yeah.
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So in and I know that you've worked, like I said, a lot of high profile cases, and um so Barbara Blunt, me and you've talked about this recently.
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This case is uh obviously is a case that you were you were very clear when I talked to you, and it still bothers you today.
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Absolutely.
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It's it's very seldom do I not think about this I'm not gonna say daily or weekly, but uh about the time you you just think that nothing's going on, all of a sudden it pops in your mind.
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Right.
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It's probably one of the only unsolved cases that I was involved with.
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Uh I'm pretty sure you're correct about that.
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Yeah.
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We've we've looked back and we have a a few and very few, which is a contribute to y'all's investigation skills, but this was one that that haunts us all.
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It does.
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Uh Kevin, uh how long have you been with the sheriff's office?
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I'm working on 27 years.
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27 years.
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Yes.
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And uh take me through your your tenure here.
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Well, I started in uh uniform patrol.
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Uh I've done eight and a half years and now I got promoted to detectives.
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Okay.
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And so we're gonna take people back to 2008, which was May the 2nd, whenever Barbara Blunt goes missing.
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Uh Kevin made it very clear to me you was a a rookie detective.
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I was.
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Um you know about how long you'd been in detectives?
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Uh probably less than a year.
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Less than a year.
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Not a better person to have would you, right, Chuck?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So um, you know, we we we gonna we're gonna take people through the scene and and uh the the biggest question that that I have, and I want to kind of start out with that, and and I'll start with you, Chuck.
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Would take me through that day that you can remember, like you get the phone call from dispatch or Stan, whoever it is, who who who actually called you?
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I got a call from Dispatch.
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Uh as you said, Sheriff, it was on a Friday afternoon, and Detective Harold and myself, we were the weekend uh detectives, meaning we came in at two o'clock in the evening and we was on call till we had to work till 10 and then was on call till 4 a.m.
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and then the day shift took over.
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Uh Detective Harold had went and was checking on something, and I was at the courthouse, and uh all the courthouse personnel was already gone.
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So it was after four o'clock.
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I get the call of a missing person, uh, Miss Blunt, uh, and at that time uh I think I called Chief of Detective Stan Carpenter and advised him.
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And Detective Harrel and I got together and we went there.
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In fact, I think Detective Harrel was got on the scene before I did.
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I did, yes.
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And uh uh when we got there it it started raining bad.
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Uh uh we went by the house there and we noticed that the house had been cleared already and uh secure.
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Uh so we actually went down to where the car was at uh and uh at that time the water was up over my shoes.
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And by the time that we got our record there, I think uh Detective Booswaug was there with the record, if I'm not mistaken, and uh it was already inside the car.
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And uh as we know as investigators, there's two things that destroys evidence fire and water.
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And we caught the water.
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Right.
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Uh so uh we were at a disadvantage due to the water.
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Uh and this is in a wooded area where her car was, even though it was off the road.
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Uh there was a lot of woods there, and I remember the woods even just being flooded.
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Uh but uh we got there and then we went back to the house and uh walked through it and took a look at it, Detective Harrell and I did, and uh Detective Bougewall, uh, which now's the chief of detectives.
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Uh I'm proud for him.
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And uh he came there, I think him and uh Detective Sager did the uh process, the crime scene uh at the house, uh which everything was just clean.
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It was, it was.
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Yeah.
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Uh I I don't know if if Miss Blunt was a uh just liked to keep things clean or she just was doing spring cleaning and doing everything right because pots was out and where she had been dusting it and all that.
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So it it was a she kept a very clean house.
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Yeah, and then talking to uh Stan Carpenter about it, excuse me, one of the things that we had talked about was he uh like she had some windows open, you know, some cleaning stuff out, like the pots pulled out of the cabin like you'd be cleaning, that kind of stuff, not rumbled through like it would be that a suspect would have gone through and rumbled through everything.
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Right.
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Uh he said the same thing.
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Um what was the and and I know that everybody we talk about the phone, you know, the coreless phone, it's on the porch.
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Uh one of the things I didn't realize is when you said earlier that when you got on scene, you already had water over your shoes.
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That's correct.
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And I knew it was coming up fast, but I didn't realize it was coming up that fast.
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And um, but tell us about the um the cordless phone.
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Um there was a cordless phone on the uh carport and we noticed that it had been knocked over or fell over and the back it was off of it and the battery was out.
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And it it puzzled me for a while, you know, was this something intentionally, meaning they struggle, or was it something accidental that maybe the wind blew over because it was windy, it was stormy that evening.
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So eventually a day or two later when uh I was able to go home, uh I had my cordless phone because I didn't know if the office would call with information or whatever, and I had it setting up on my carport when I accidentally hit it, and when it fell over, it fell over just like the one at Barbara Bronx's house.
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So that kind of relieved my mind a little bit because if it had been a struggle, well there should have been other stuff, and uh we did not see that.
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Right.
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So I mean that's the only thing that you had that was a sign of a of a possible struggle would have been the phone.
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Correct.
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It was nothing else that her house on that scene that showed any sign of struggle other than that, you know.
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And I've I mean I looked at the the photos a couple of times, and I mean it wasn't thrown against the wall, it wasn't thrown on the ground, but then you know, and it's still a possibility that it could have been a struggle and it got bumped where it was sitting and fell off.
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So there's it's there, but it's uh you you it's it's the only thing we got, and Mother Nature was not cooperating with us that day at all.
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We we we know that.
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Right.
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In fact, talking about the weather, we we could not get the helicopter up that day.
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But I believe it was the next day, Detective Boujoil and uh Chad West uh they got up and I think they flew for five five straight days, if I'm not mistaken.
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Yeah.
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And uh, which didn't yield us any information.
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Yeah.
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I do remember that uh uh north of where her house uh where her uh car was found, they got a road called Hull Lane.
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And uh they had some people out the next day that was there with four-wheelers, on foot, horseback, you name it, and we was up in the air.
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And I do remember Raymond Blunt.
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He was horseback, and he led his horse off into a ditch, and the horse and the Raymond had to swim out.
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Yeah.
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That's how bad it was, the flood.
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It wasn't as bad as 2016, but it was bad.
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Uh uh, we lost a lot of uh time and space there because of the water.
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So well, you gotta preserve those those crime scenes, and when the cards are stacked against you, they stacked against you.
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I mean, it's really not nothing you can do about it, you know.
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That's correct.
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Um when whenever uh I know when y'all got to the scene, um, there was uh a witness that was there.
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Um and I'm gonna what Kevin, you remember there was a witness that actually found Barbara Blunt's car?
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Um you was there where the the car was located?
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Yes.
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Uh eventually I eventually made it over there once I left the house.
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And uh what what was it what did the scene look like when you got there, bar or the car scene?
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It was it was off the uh side of the uh La Gravel Road, and then like Chuck had said it was raining very hard.
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And um, I was there when Detective Bougeois came, and we collected the keys which was found on the on the you know on the side of the road.
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That's right, I forgot about that.
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So her keys were found on the side of the road.
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Would they look like they were dropped or thrown or Yeah, they looked like they were just dropped on the side.
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It was in between the car uh where it was parked on the gravel road and between there and the highway.
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Right.
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Okay.
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I remember seeing the photos, but yes, yes.
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Okay.
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And I says you're lucky to get that.
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If the water came up even faster or waited a little, if we wouldn't have found the car so quick, you may not have even found the keys.
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You probably wouldn't have.
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Yeah.
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It was horrible.
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That was horrible.
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Uh you remember we uh I think y'all had a uh so we had a suspect that actually found the car.
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Well, we had a person found the car and turned into a suspect, right?
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Because everybody's a suspect.
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Thank you, Sheriff.
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Everybody's a suspect, and um the reason I bring this up, and uh about two years or maybe three years ago, Detective Bourgeois and I, or Chief Bourgeois and I actually went to try to solve the witnesses that seen the suspect on the side of the road with Barbara Blunt.
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Y'all remember that?
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And that haunted us for a while.
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And uh so looking up and finding those witnesses, and we actually went and sat down and went to the house, talked to them a little while, and was able to rule that that person is the person that found the car, just a witness who I'm sure y'all interrogated for quite some time.
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And his mother resembles Barbara Blunt from what I remember.
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And uh so once we talked to him, we kind of ruled that that's who they seen on the side of the road when they passed.
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Right.
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When you kind of narrow down the time frame, that kind of stuff.
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And and we may have all kind of knew that, but it just was one of those things that kept surfacing.
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And it may have been that we wasn't doing a great job of actually making sure that we put that out there, that hey, this was a dead end.
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And uh so unless it was another timeline that we don't know that there was actually a person fitting the same description that was standing with her.
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Right.
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Um, and we all I think have a feeling that she went from one car to another and it was that quick.
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Yes.
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So so Chuck, do you remember um do you remember, I guess, the um the actual time of that they realized that she was missing?
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Do you remember any like it was a daytime, nighttime, the last time somebody talked to her?
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Yeah.
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The information that I had was came from the daughter, Christy, had said that she had talked, had gone by and seen her mother, I believe, believe that morning before she went to work.
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She'd worked at Wend Dixie and ate meat.
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And but she couldn't get a hold of her around noon time.
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So I think this actually started maybe around noonish or thereafter.
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Mm-hmm.
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Uh is the information we had got.
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And it had been a while since they had talked to her or seen her, that think they'd seen her or talked to her that morning.
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Uh as far as I I can remember, Christy, uh the daughter of Barbara Blunt, had stopped by there on the way to work.
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So I'm gonna take people back in time, and you may not remember this, but I remember it was like it was yesterday.
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I don't know why.
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You know, certain things just kind of stick out in her head, but you told me you did something to the phone when you got there, hardline phone.
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You called the last number they called or something like that.
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You able to bring you remember that?
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I don't remember that sure.
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That was one of those old harp, you know, the the uh landlines, and you were able to dial something and gave you the last number or something.
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Yeah, I think.
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You remember it was uh it was a way you used to do that.
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Yeah, I think it's uh either Star 69 or Star 67, one of the two.
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One of them hid your number that you were on when you made a phone call.
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Right.
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And the other one was to get the last number that's yeah.
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I remember you could used to do that, but you told me you did it.
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And uh I think star sixty seven is how you hide your number.
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I think star sixty nine may be how you get the last number.
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Correct.
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But you did and you called it.
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Um well, I don't know why that sticks out in my head, but it does.
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But that's just investigative work.
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I mean, you're doing what you do every day.
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You gonna go through the process.
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And of all the cases you've worked, I mean, what what do you what what is your actual thought process about about Barbara Blunt?
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What would where do you where do you think you think Barbara Blunt's missing or you think she's murdered?
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I think she was murdered.
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Yes.
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I think it was a uh a kidnapping or uh however you want to word it, and ultimately uh she was murdered.
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Yes.
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Yeah, my my thoughts on this also when I first got to the house, I mean, everything nothing was out of place.
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So, you know, being in law enforcement, we take a lot of missing person complaints, especially uniform patrol, and in most cases, those people return.
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You know, they return home the next day or or what have you.
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And it's uh it my very first thought of this was possibly, hopefully this was gonna be the same scenario that, you know, that she uh she would be found.
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But as the case went went on and on with the, you know, uh the phone we talked about, uh, with her vehicle being parked where it was and the location was suspicious to me, and then I began to say, well, maybe this is not gonna be that normal missing person's case, you know.
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So that concerned me.
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And as a new detective, I was eager to learn and and you know, solve this case and find Miss Barbara.
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So what I want to do real quick, I'd like to go over like the timeline.
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I'm gonna I'm gonna read through this, and I've done this before, but I don't think you can do it enough.
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Right.
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And um, and then kind of get you all's thoughts of of of after this is over with.
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But basically, so it's Friday, May the 2nd, 2008.
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58-year-old Barbara Blunt went missing.
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Midday from her home, 35580, Highway 1036 Holden.
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The Livingston Parish Sheriff's Office was alerted that evening.
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Once on scene, we learned this no signs of forced entry.
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The back door was open.
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Pots were stacked on the kitchen floor.
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We know she intended to clean that day because apparently I think we actually asked questions around the family.
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She was intending on either cleaning or just got through cleaning.
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Valuables were left in the residence in plain view, no appearance of any type of robbery.
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Appears as though someone lured her from the her residence, someone maybe she knew.
00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:30.880
We kind of talked about that what you were kind of getting into.
00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:47.039
Um everybody's a suspect, but obviously someone that she knew, we feel like, or maybe stalled her caught her off guard to where it was no struggle, but somebody obviously lured her from that residence in a way that they didn't leave a mess.
00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:51.200
Rainstorms completely hampered all our efforts that day.
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And uh, and basically everything was pretty much covered with water on the second crime scene where her car was actually located.
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Her vehicle was located approximately a quarter mile north of her residence.
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It was parked on a hunting club road in a wooded area.
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And if I remember right, if you turn on that road, it was to the right.
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Kind of pulled in.
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Like somebody turned down the road and then pulled into the wooded area and and parked it.
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Um, it rained so much it covered the floorboard of the car right before y'all got it out of there.
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I think water actually got in the car.
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About an inch.
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About an inch on the floorboard.
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We canvassed the entire area.
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We interviewed everyone with a possible connection to Blunt.
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Law enforcement part partners, including Louisiana State Police and the FBI, helped us chase every single lead that we came across.
00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:52.559
Volunteers helped us with search, uh, helped us search the area, and we searched waterways and wooded areas.
00:19:53.279 --> 00:20:00.079
And in that area, where's a lot of waterways because we're not far from the Tickfall River on the north end of the parish.
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And um, so that's probably where and of course anytime you got a river, you got a bunch of canals that kind of run off that river.
00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:09.839
So that whole area there was kind of swampy, if I remember.
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Yes.
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And not far from the river itself.
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If am I right on that?
00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:15.039
Yes.
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That's that's correct.
00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:26.480
Also, Sheriff, if if you go down Highway 1036, it's a lot of our roads are in this parish, the road is a lot higher than the property.
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A lot higher.
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And that didn't help at all because we knew we was in a a low uh in fact, I used to hunt that years ago.
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Uh that was an old KS hunting club.
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And and I hunted there for years.
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And uh uh there's all kind of laterals coming off going through there.
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Yeah.
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And uh it's it's a slash back up in there.
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You remember do y'all remember uh so Louisiana State Police, their role, if I remember, was basically crime rap.
00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:59.680
The the crime lab came in, state police crime lab.
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Uh FBI, what what role do they play in this?
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The FBI they have a lot of resources, you know, and uh they basically come out and also uh put together with uh the sheriff's office a form that we would distribute to the people in the area, you know, and it was a questionnaire just like we did on another homicide case that I worked on years ago.
00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:30.079
Uh I think we pretty well all worked on it too.
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And uh that was their main uh goal there, I believe, was to help us with the uh questionnaire that we got out to the public.
00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:41.519
Yeah.
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You know, and and uh it it's it's it's good to have those resources and you know when you're limited with your resources.
00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:54.799
I know back in 08 we had a lot of resources, but we were still limited when it came to certain type of cases.
00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:55.519
Correct.
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Um volunteers, I mean, it was I just remember.
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Being a lot of people in the area, which is common here in Leechston, when you have something and you need your community, they're going to step up.
00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:21.119
And I just remember being a lot of people on a previous interview, I remember um Stan Carpenter kind of mentioned uh, and I was kind of remember this.
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Remember that the horse um riders out of Texas or something.
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Correct.
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Um I don't think they really realized the terrain that they were going to get into when they got down here to Louisiana.
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Um I mean, we're not on the on the coast here in Louisiana, but we absolutely up in the swamp world.
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And it's some very tough terrain here in Livingston Paris when you get off the beaten path.
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I mean, it's it's not easy.
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But I want to go, but I know that um I just want to rec I recall some stuff and I wanted to kind of get into that.
00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:55.359
How many calls that we got the next two or three weeks?
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And the reason I know when you go through this file, it sees a lot of y'all just having to follow up on so many tips.
00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:10.079
Uh location of the possible where her body was dumped, or they may have seen her in a grocery store.
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Whatever.
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Can you do you any of those kind of jump out at you that that that just sticks with you?
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Did you feel like that, you know, we could have covered not that we could have covered it a little.
00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:24.799
I'm just is anything that kind of sticks out at you as an investigator.
00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:27.920
Nothing as far as the tips.
00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:36.160
I need to go back and just bring up that we dealt with what little bit of evidence we had.
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:36.640
Right.
00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:37.920
A very little bit.
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When you run your evidence out, you have to rely on information.
00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:44.319
That's right.
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You're only as good as the information you get.
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100%.
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And we chased it.
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It didn't matter if it was me, Detective Harold, uh, Chief Booswald, Chief Carpenter, whoever.
00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:07.519
If if me as a lead detective, if I'm not around, the sheriff's office don't wait on Chuck or Kevin Harrell to come and go do it.
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:09.920
We always sent somebody.
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:16.400
We chased a uh a uh call or something to investigate.
00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:21.359
We didn't wait on the lead investigators, we jumped on it, which is a good thing.
00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:28.480
And uh you had mentioned something about the all the people that volunteered and came there.
00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:29.039
Right.
00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:39.039
It it it's a good thing because a lot of times uh uh another case that I worked, the the main suspect was right there in my hip pocket the whole time.
00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:41.359
Mm-hmm because he wanted to know what we were doing.
00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:42.000
Right.
00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:44.559
And uh They get pretty brave at times.
00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:53.759
They do, because they they think that uh if they can get close to us, we're gonna say something that may benefit them.
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:54.480
Right.
00:24:54.720 --> 00:25:04.079
Uh so in in all my years of work in cases like this, you only had one or three reasons to kill somebody.
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:06.880
Profit, love, or revenge.
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.359
I'm not talking about someone getting in a car wreck and killing someone.
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:11.680
Right.
00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:14.720
But the old saying, you kill my brother, I'm gonna kill you.
00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:15.039
Right.
00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:19.359
So hey, I understand you got a lot of dope in your house, so you gotta have a lot of money too.
00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:23.599
We're gonna do this profit and it turned bad and it was a murder.
00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:24.000
Right.
00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:25.519
And I loved her.
00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:29.519
I didn't want nobody else to have her, so I killed her or him, you know.
00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:30.160
Right.
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:36.640
But we really uh did have a lot of people, like you say, that came there.
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:43.039
You know, speaking of of Barbara Blunt, you know, she was uh she just had this reputation of being a really good person.
00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:50.319
And uh and y'all do you investigate you, you know, you didn't find no enemies, you know, she just wasn't that person.
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:55.039
She was uh a very strong lady, very physically capable of taking care of herself.
00:25:55.119 --> 00:26:04.319
I think that actual day um she kind of wrangled a one of her cows because you know she raised cattle, and uh they said that one of them got hung up in a fence or a bivar or something.
00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:05.759
She had to like put it in a headlock.
00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:11.200
And and look, man, that's that takes a lot of strength to be able to do those kind of things.
00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:21.119
So I know at her age, she wasn't like a you know, an 85 to 90 year old person that was uh capable of maybe physically holding somebody off.
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.279
So we know that she was physically capable.
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:31.359
She was a very sweet lady, her reputation was of that, and couldn't find anybody in the community had a bad thing to say about her.
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:46.319
I mean, she helped people when she could help them, and uh, she was loved by many, you know, and uh so it's just uh she of all people to me, and we've said this in previous interviews, she is a true victim.
00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:48.480
True victim.
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:51.440
And and most people are a victim, you know.
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:59.279
This is not a person that um, you know, was at a crack house, you know, having a bad drug problem or whatever, comes up missing.
00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:13.759
Uh this was a person that uh had lived a a a decent life, worked hard, raised a family, uh was a widowed or husband that was uh killed in an accident, and you know, she didn't deserve this.
00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:40.000
And so that's I know that's why we're sitting here because it hurts us as investigators that you know we we're trying to solve a case and run into a a lot of dead ends, but then again, there's a lot of good leads out there that kind of leads us to certain individuals that we just don't have all the pieces to the puzzle yet, so to speak.
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:45.759
And um what was your take on Barbara Blunt, Chuck?
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:50.480
I know you investigated and and met a lot of her family members and and friends.
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:51.039
Right.
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:55.039
I've never knew Barbara Blunt before that day.
00:27:55.759 --> 00:28:03.920
I knew her husband, I knew him as junior, uh, and I knew about him in the accident that he got uh killed in.
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:11.519
Uh but not to just go back and repeat everything you said about her because he was 100% right.
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:15.119
Uh I tried finding something bad about her.
00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:18.000
Well that's what we that's what you do.
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:18.240
Yeah.
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:20.319
You have to try to dig things up like that.
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:20.960
Right.
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:26.960
And uh and uh I actually went to Magnolia Baptist Church.
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:38.240
I got a phone call from Chief Carpenter and informed me that I was going to church at Sunday, and uh to their church, and uh after church, we would have a question and answer.
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:49.119
And uh after the church, uh I got up in front and I talked to people and I answered their questions uh to the best of my ability.
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:55.680
Uh you know, as when you're doing investigations, there's some things you can say and there's some things you can't say.
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:57.200
You got to hold back.
00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:05.039
And um I got to know Barbara starting May the 2nd in 2008.
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:07.440
And I got to know her pretty well.
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:12.160
Uh she didn't have boyfriends, she wasn't interested in dating.
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:18.640
Uh there was a person that told me that someone had asked her out and she said no that she was a married woman.
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:23.279
And this was Junior was already had been killed.
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:27.279
Uh so it was nothing uh on her computer.
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:34.079
Uh uh people, of course, computers have changed from back in 08 till now.
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:34.480
Right.
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:36.160
I still don't know how to turn them on.
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:36.880
Yeah.
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.640
But uh uh there was nothing on the computer.
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:45.599
Um uh uh, you know, such uh such as singles looking for singles.
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:46.480
Right, right.
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:48.319
Uh no interest at all on her.
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:49.119
None.
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:49.759
Zero.
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And uh uh she was a very strong lady.
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:57.759
Uh I think she even had a uh a buffalo they were raising.
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:05.599
Uh so I mean, I don't know, I've been years since I've raised cows, but I'm mad and it's pretty good chore with the buffalo and all.
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.319
Uh but she was a very strong woman.
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:17.440
Uh uh you had said something earlier, Sheriff, about when we started the investigation looking at suspects that then we talked to the family.
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:21.839
Always use the family first.
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.480
In other words, if if her husband would have been living, I wanted to clear him.
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:26.960
Right.
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:27.920
Then the kids.
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:28.799
Then the kids, right.
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:36.319
Then the other relatives, and then just keep expanding out uh until we zeroed in on somebody.
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:46.319
Uh but I I never could get a just a good solid solid lead, even though we did get a hit on uh through CODIS one day.
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:46.960
Right.
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:56.079
Uh and uh myself and the chief and uh uh Chief Bourgeois went and and talked to the suspect.
00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:08.720
Well I want to rephrase it, talked to the vi uh person, and we was able to clear him, uh and that took us to uh below New Orleans somewhere if I'm not mistaken.
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:17.519
And we had one one time I went to the family member that lived in Mississippi, uh Chief Boujois and myself and DNA'd him.
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:21.440
He was related to him through marriage, they had the same last name.
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:30.640
And I'm kind of bouncing around, but yeah uh that uh goes back to where we chased everybody, every lead.
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:37.680
If if we got a call and and said, hey, you need to go polygraph Detective Harrell.
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:38.160
Right.
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:39.680
We did what we had to do.
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:40.559
Oh, absolutely.
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:42.160
You know, uh uh there's no doubt.
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:46.720
We never put blinders on, had uh just looking tunnel vision.
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:48.400
We we never had tunnel vision.
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:54.480
You know, it's it's uh and I I'm just gonna say this in 08 I was actually the chief of operations.
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:58.720
And uh that same year I was promoted to chief chief deputy.
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:19.279
Uh all this was going on, but in my tenure for 32 years, and I say this very I was from the time I started, and I can't say in the years that I was uh in the in the detention center, because I didn't really work with detectives in the detention center much.
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:33.279
You know, every now and then we'd have an occasional complaint that y'all would have to come in, but one of the things I want to get at is the confidence when you become a road deputy in your detectives is very important.
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:39.920
That you have confidence that they're going to do their due diligence to solve these cases.
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:53.359
And whenever you hear when I first started, you know, you'd hear certain, you know, a couple of names was that was there, and and I'm gonna sit here and say that you wouldn't roll your eyes a little bit, you know.
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:57.279
Um maybe they were on their way out, didn't really want to investigate.
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:06.720
But when we had these homicides, I mean y'all were always boots on the ground, all hands on deck.
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:08.640
We didn't have a lot of people to pull from.
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:18.319
Our division grew a little bit, but you know, from the time I got, yeah, I don't think y'all added a well the time I got detectives, it was still the same amount of people.
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:24.799
And I went to detectives in '99 or '98, I think, during that time frame.
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:28.880
It was in ninety-eight and I went ninety-seven, ninety-eight, ninety nine, I was in detectives.
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:30.960
And y'all haven't grew at all.
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:31.680
Eight.
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:32.319
Eight.
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:35.119
And so we were still replacing people as they retired.
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.799
And of course, we we investigated everything.
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:46.799
But my point is having confidence in your investigators is vitally important.
00:33:47.359 --> 00:34:00.160
Knowing that you don't have to go through and double check and as your chief of operations and in being the sheriff today, I have the utmost confidence that y'all gave it your all.
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:02.319
You still do every day.
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:03.680
It still bothers us.
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:07.839
These things we take on personally because this is our community.
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:09.360
It is.
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:11.280
And these are our people.
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.400
We're responsible for them to keep them safe.
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:19.920
And um, and I just my hat's off to you guys because I know that y'all are those investigators.
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:23.920
You know, I know Kevin was a rookie investigator, but you hung around for a little while after that.
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:25.840
You continued to solve good cases.
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:31.360
And uh, Chuck, your reputation was that of I mean you you handled a lot of our high profile cases.
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:36.880
Did a great job, you know, and um these cases will take a toll on you.
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:38.000
They really will.
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:43.599
And uh so before we close, I'm gonna wrap this thing up.
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:50.880
Um is there anything that just kind of jumps out at you or anything you want to say before we go, Chuck, on this case?
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:54.960
The only thing I'd I'd like to add is I don't care who clears.
00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:58.239
I I'm not a that tight person.
00:34:58.400 --> 00:34:58.559
Right.
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:01.440
But I'd like to have cleared it absolutely.
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:08.400
Um not from a feather in the hat standpoint, but to satisfy me.
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:13.679
I uh would like to have cleared it, but I don't care who cleared it.
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:19.199
I just want to live long enough to see that it's cleared to put the family at rest in peace.
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:20.960
And also the sheriff's office.
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:25.679
I mean, uh we don't uh get this every day.
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:26.480
Right.
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:31.280
This I don't know if we've had one unsolved since I retired.
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:32.159
Uh I don't know.
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:33.840
I'm pretty sure we haven't.
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:38.320
But I know this, we always had a very, very high clearance rate.
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:40.000
We have, we still do today.
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:44.480
A lot of those you guys kind of built a foundation for that and it continues on, you know.
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:48.880
I mean, look the chief of detectives now, somebody that you molded whenever he came in.
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:49.199
Yes.
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And then, you know, you and Stan and the rest of them, I mean, we you've y'all were y'all had your hands in a lot of them.
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I mean, Kevin's a captain now, he's worked his way up through the ranks, and all that comes through your mentors as you're coming up.
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I'm not gonna give y'all the credit for making me sheriff, but I will.
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Because everybody that you work with and you look up to touches you some kind of way.
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You learn something about them, you know.
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And um little things like Chuck never used to button these little buttons on his shirt.
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I remember that.
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Weird I just remember things like that.
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And uh, but you have an impact on everybody.
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Well, I appreciate it.
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And um I hope it's a good impact.
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And people learn from you, and as as a road deputy, when you're thirsty, one of the things I can commend you for is you absolutely would answer any question I had.
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And you didn't mind pointing out mistakes.
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A lot of people don't do that these days.
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They'll go and tell everybody else about your mistake, but they won't tell you.
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And you can't learn that.
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You've got to know that you messed up or you and and and own it and understand, okay, well, I screwed up on that.
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I'll make sure it won't happen again.
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Uh so thank you for your service, what you've given to this parish, uh, this office, and it's a lot.
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And uh we like I said, there's a lot of people that got uh uh got justice because of your uh your tenure here at the sheriff's office, so that is greatly appreciated, and I want to make sure I said that.
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Kevin, anything?
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I I just want to say as well, I learned a lot from Chuck.
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Chuck taught me a whole bunch.
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Uh Ben, I even rode with you on patrol when when I was a reserve.
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No, let's not talk about that.
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But you know, I learned a lot from all of you guys and I appreciate that.
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Uh the last thing I'd like to say if there's any tips or anything that comes out that we can uh excuse me, that we can uh find Miss Barbara or find out what happened.
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I just ask that you give it, give those tips because uh I know 100% they will be traced to the end and followed up on.
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So please, if any tips out there, you know, let us know.
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I I would like to add this, even though I'm retired, uh Chief Bourgeois can tell you, uh I talk to him anytime I get information.
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Any of the deputies, be it the ones that I know or the ones that I don't know.
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Everybody knows pretty well where I live.
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Pick up the phone, I got the same cell phone number that was issued to me through the Livingston Sheriff's Office years ago.
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And uh it don't have to be about this case or any particular case.
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Livingston Sheriff's Office is still my home.
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And I'm here, uh I'll help anybody that I can.
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And uh it would hurt my feelings if I know somebody needed some information or some help, and I could have provided that, it would it would really hurt me, you know.
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Well, I appreciate that.
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And I knew look when I called you to come on the show, you were look, man, just let me know when and I'll be there.
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Yeah.
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And that's that's always been uh Chuck White.
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So so Chuck, thank you, uh Chuck.
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Thank you, uh Kevin.
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I want to say this.
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Uh remember, Barbara Blunt was 2008.
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It was May the 2nd.
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She came up missing.
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And uh at the time, Miss Barbara Blunt, her date of birth is 329 of 50.
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She had brownish gray hair, green eyes.
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She was around 5'7 and 150 pounds.
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And uh Kevin said it earlier.
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If you have information, please give us that tip.
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Call in.
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You can get on our app and we have a tip line.
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Uh Woody Overn's on uh was on the show.
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Woody kind of put his out there.
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If you don't, maybe you don't want to talk to law enforcement.
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We respect that.
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Um that's one of the things that we've done on this case, uh, unlike some of the other ones.
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We have been outside the box trying to get other avenues of um just trying to find avenues of success.
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And sometimes this just doesn't come from your office.
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And I don't mind saying that because whatever help we can get, we want to get it.
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So with that, please, if you have you have information, call us.
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If it's the same information, call us again.
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We don't mind re-looking at those uh that information, re-looking at the the the same old tips because you never know what you might have realized that maybe you missed something and it happened.
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So with that, thank you, Chuck.
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Thank you, uh Kevin.
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