ÜBER DIESE EPISODE
What does it mean to create an environment where people feel safe, valued, respected, and empowered to grow?
In this episode of Behaviorally Speaking: Leadership for Change-Makers, Dr. Esther Bubb welcomes Julia Spychalski, M.Ed., an Autistic Support Teacher and emerging educational leader, for a conversation about neurodiversity, inclusion, belonging, and the leadership lessons we can learn from the classroom.
With more than two decades of experience supporting students with diverse learning, behavioral, and communication needs, Julia shares how her experiences in special education and early intervention shaped her belief that human potential cannot be defined by a diagnosis or traditional measures of success.
Together, Esther and Julia explore:
- Why success is about more than test scores and academics
• How to hold high expectations while meeting people where they are
• Why relationships and genuine listening are foundational to inclusion
• The importance of assuming competence
• How behavior and communication can be misunderstood
• What psychological safety looks like in classrooms and teams
• Why leaders must create space for people to take risks and make mistakes
• How celebrating individuality can transform the way people experience belonging
• Why leadership is about influence, support, advocacy, and empowerment—not simply a title
• How small, everyday choices can create meaningful change
Julia also shares a unique perspective on what it means to be a "ruckus maker"—someone willing to use their voice, actions, and influence to create spaces that are more equitable, compassionate, and accessible.
The conversation closes with a simple Monday Morning Move: learn intentionally from someone with a different perspective or experience, ask questions with curiosity, and listen to understand rather than simply respond.
Inclusion begins with the small, daily choices we make to help people feel valued, respected, safe—and able to be themselves.
Leadership is grounded in behavior, guided by dignity, and designed for change.
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About Our Guest
Julia Spychalski, MEd, Autistic Support Teacher
Julia Spychalski is an experienced special education educator and emerging educational leader with more than two decades of experience supporting students with diverse learning, behavioral, and communication needs across public, charter, private, and early intervention settings. She currently serves as a Teacher of Students with Autism with the Christina School District, where she develops individualized, standards-based instructional programming, implements positive behavior supports, collaborates with multidisciplinary teams, and promotes inclusive and equitable practices through DEIB initiatives and school leadership committees. Her background includes extensive experience in Autism Support, Emotional Support, Life Skills, and Early Intervention programming, along with expertise in IEP development, behavioral supports, community-based instruction, assistive technology, and family collaboration.
Throughout her career, Julia has demonstrated a strong commitment to instructional leadership, student advocacy, and staff collaboration. She has held leadership and mentoring roles including ESY Lead, classroom team supervision, committee participation, and coordination with outside agencies and community partners. Julia earned her M.Ed. with a 4.0 GPA and recently completed her certification program in Supervision and Leadership through Penn State World Campus. She is passionate about creating supportive, student-centered learning environments that foster academic growth, independence, and social-emotional success for all learners.
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Welcome to Behaviorally Speaking Leadership for Changemakers,
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where leadership is grounded in behavior, guided by dignity,
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and designed for change.
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I'm your host, Dr. Esther Bob. Let's dive into today's episode.
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Julia, it's such a pleasure to have you on the show. Thank you so much for being
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here. I know we've been in connection. We met in the field several years ago
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and are still in contact. So I'm so happy to be chatting with you today. How are you doing?
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I am well, thank you. It's such a pleasure to be here. I really am excited.
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Wonderful. Thank you. So let's start the conversation off, Julia,
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just talking a little bit about your origins and your professional journey.
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So tell us, tell the listeners about your journey and what experiences,
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Julia, really helped, really first inspired your passion for helping others grow and succeed? Sure.
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Before I even went to college, when I was in high school, I worked as a camp
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counselor. I worked in child care. I volunteered in the special education classroom
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in my high school during my study halls, during my lunch periods.
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And I really enjoyed it. And I loved the teacher that I was working with.
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Nice. So from early in my career, I've been drawn to work that is centered around
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helping others to build confidence, to build independence, and a sense of belonging.
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And in early intervention, we did that in homes, in,
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preschool environments, in childcare centers, in schools, being able to do that
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in community-based settings and also in public schools.
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It's just been, it's been great.
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So the early experiences that I had really taught me compassion,
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and it taught me to really build that equity and also to build the ability for
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kids to advocate for themselves as well as they were growing up.
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Wonderful. Thank you for that. It makes me think a bit, Julia, from what you shared.
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It's really seeing the potential, right, in the students from all of your experiences
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and believing in them, right? Kind of sort of like that Pygmalion effect where
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if we believe high things for people, they will achieve high things.
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So thank you for sharing that.
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But on that note, Julia, what about your work with autistic students?
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What really drew you to that? And then how has all of your experiences teaching
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autistic students shaped how you think about human potential today?
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So, working in, again, starting with my early intervention experience,
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it taught me to look beyond the traditional measures that we have for success.
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And instead, recognizing growth
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in communication, growth in emotional regulation, and in independence.
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And I still look at those things in my classroom today when I think of success for students.
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It doesn't always have to be something that's measured on a test score or measured
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by academics. It doesn't have to be if they can read all the words or read them very quickly.
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I always find like we want to do these measures of how fast can students read. And I'm like, why?
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Right, exactly. read it and they understand it, even if it took them two hours to read a chapter.
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Yeah. That to me is, you know, we just want to empower these kids and we want
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them to be able to take risks, right? Yeah. Yeah. And as a parent.
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And you know this, that my son has a disability. Yes. Also a pretty significant disability.
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And it taught me to, as a parent, to be a better parent.
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But to also set expectations really high. Because I found that the higher I
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set my expectations for my son, for my students, for my parents of kids that
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I work with. Yeah. That they rise to that.
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Yeah. They want those expectations.
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And it shows patience and it shows respect.
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It also takes creativity to help kids to come to a place where they can meet
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those goals, right? Yeah.
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So I do, I think it's, you know, it's not, potential is not limited by diagnosis, by any stretch.
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Sometimes you just have to think outside the box. Yes, I love that.
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I love that. The creativity, the thinking outside the box, it's what we do every
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day, you know, in our roles.
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And you talked about empowerment. So let's talk a little bit about building
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supported environments, right?
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So you see the potential, right? But how do you support and what does it look
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like, Julia, from your perspective to create an environment where people feel,
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including, right, individuals with autism,
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that they feel understood, they feel valued, and they feel empowered to thrive in the environment?
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So, I have found the biggest thing in my work has been building relationships
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and genuinely listening and paying attention to what's going on and really...
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Through the different organizations I've been part of, I've been part of a blind
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sports organization where I've been a coach and I've also been a ref for blind
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sports, also Best Buddies and Night to Shine.
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And seeing these people who like, these are adults now, right?
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And knowing I've seen kids that are tiny and I see where they can go.
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And that for me has been really important.
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And I was sharing with you earlier that for me, working in settings where it's,
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only kids with disabilities, that that's been tough because I need myself and
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those students to be able to see this is where you can go, right?
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Yeah. And I use those examples with students a lot so that they know that they can succeed.
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Yeah. And that maybe their success doesn't look like, you know,
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everyone else's success.
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Absolutely. I share that with parents very, very transparently that.
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You know, you have this student who's very special.
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Yeah. Not, you know, not.
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It's not that they're different, it's that they're special. Right.
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They have needs that maybe someone else's kid down the street doesn't have,
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but that they can succeed.
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But really listening to them and really giving that support and creating those
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spaces where their differences are respected and celebrated.
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Yes. So that they can be different and that's okay. Yeah.
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I think about on my door in my classroom. Yeah. Right now, I have a sign that
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says in our classroom, sometimes we spin, sometimes we flap, sometimes we jump.
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It's all okay. I love that.
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I love that. Yeah. And so that kind of lends itself, Julia, to my next thought-up
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question for you, right? Because you just shared the example of what's on your door.
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And while we have expectations for growth and see the potential in people,
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we have to meet them where they are.
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And it's like we have to remind ourselves to continue believing that we have
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to remind them and remind their parents, right, and those in their lives.
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So how do you balance meeting people where they are, right, while still holding
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expectations for I know this is where you can go, right, or I believe this is where you can get to?
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So for me, meeting people where they are doesn't mean lowering expectations in any way.
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It's providing the right supports for them and providing those pathways for them for success.
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So one of my favorite things is the initiative for Alternative Standards,
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where we are teaching to the regular standards, but providing that access a
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little bit differently.
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And really, we've been able to be given the tools to really recognize that we
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can still measure what they're doing and measure their progress as individuals.
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And it's not being measured against everybody else in the state or in the school.
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It's being measured against themselves, which I think is far more accurate.
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And wouldn't it be great if we did that with all kids, but we don't.
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It would be far less stressful.
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But, you know, focusing on their unique needs, focusing on their unique strengths
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and evaluating those things, finding their motivators has been huge.
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And for me, in talking to parents from my itty bitties all the way up to high
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school, really working together as a team approach, not me as the expert,
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not you as the, you know, this eight hours of,
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the day that they're with me. I don't know everything.
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They, you know, parents are a big part of it.
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My related services staff. So really building that team and growth looking different
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for everybody so that the kids and the parents can believe in the progress that they see.
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And I'm a big, I'm a big social, well, not social media, but like communicator with the parents.
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I take pictures every day. I show the parents what their kids are doing.
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I have parents that are like, oh my gosh, I didn't know my kid could do that.
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And I tell them to share with me as well, like anything that's happening with their students at home.
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So that we're both being able to really celebrate those wins together.
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Wonderful. Yeah, that's really good. I like that, you know, you get the parent
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input, right? You share with them, but then you also get from them as well.
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And then, so we have been in the field for years. You know, we have a passion
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for, we believe in the students we support, but there are people who have misconceptions,
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right, about students we support, about people with special needs.
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You know, you talked about, they're not different, they're special, right?
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And so what misconceptions do you believe or aware of that people often hold
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about others, such as the students that we work with, who think or communicate
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differently? They're still thinking, they're still communicating,
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they're just doing it in their own way.
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And how do we change those mindsets, Julia? you.
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So I think the biggest misconception that I see is around communication.
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Behavior is communication.
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Somebody who's worked in this field for a long time, some kids are completely nonverbal.
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But that doesn't mean they're not communicating with us. I have a student right
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now who communicates very clearly what he wants and needs.
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And he doesn't even pick up his AAC device to tell us. He will,
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if he wants something, he will let us know.
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And sometimes he lets us know in ways that we would prefer he not.
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But that's just showing me his level of intelligence.
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It's showing me his capability and his desire to connect.
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And I think people miss that.
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I think people just look at students and think, oh, they're being bad or they're
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being naughty or Or they're trying to do this or they're trying.
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Yeah. They're not attention seeking.
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They want to connect. Yeah. And I think that people miss that point so often.
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Yeah. Students process, express, and experience the world differently.
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Yeah. And that's got to be okay.
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And really just being a voice for people that we work with is so important.
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One of the things for me is allowing our students to show off who they are. Last school year,
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in my school for Autism Awareness Month, we made a video and I couldn't post
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it, but I'll send it to you actually.
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It was great. We had those students, each individual student made a little recording
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and we had a script and we had one of my favorite students.
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He did, we pre-programmed his device so that he could share his part on his device.
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And it was interesting because we pushed it out for the whole school.
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Yeah. And there were teachers that came to me a couple days later and were like
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still crying. They were like, we didn't know that that's who this kid was.
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But like, we programmed his device
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knowing that all of the thoughts in his head were there. Yeah, yeah.
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It was great. But creating those opportunities for students so that people can see.
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Yes. One of the other things that we did was with a very active assemblies program at my last school.
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And I got to the point where I was like year two of me being in the building. I said, guess what?
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My class is going to participate in this also. And I did have students who were
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included very heavily in gen ed, but like my little core group of kids was like,
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we're going to be on stage two.
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And a couple of years ago, it was the winter assembly and the news came and
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whose class did they video.
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Your class they didn't video they didn't post you know on their yeah their news
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segment they didn't post anything else they posted my class,
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and like i celebrate that like people get to see who our kids really are Yeah.
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Yeah. Because I just don't think the mindset is that kids are authentically
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included or authentically understood. And I think the more exposure people have.
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The less they're confused about the students that I work with and that you work with.
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Our kids have so much going on.
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Yeah, so much. And they're so fun.
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Oh, my gosh, yes. Yeah, they're so fun. And so I like that. That was really,
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really a good answer to the question because you talked about sharing their stories, right?
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And just seeing someone. It's just like me looking at you, Julia.
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That's all I see is the person, right?
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What I see physically is not who you are, right? So we have to get to know the
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people and the good way we get to know people, even like getting to know more
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about your experiences at work, know through the stories you're sharing.
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So I think that is really a good way, Julia, to be able to get people to change
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those mindsets is by having the people share their own stories,
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having our students and their families share their stories so people can really
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see, you know, behind just what they see visually. Yeah, I love that.
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So in all of that, let's kind of talk about leadership lessons from the classroom.
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You know, you've been in the classroom for a number of years.
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You're looking now to segue into, like, leadership roles, right?
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And so what have you learned along the way, Julia? I always say,
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and I'm sure you say the same thing, that leadership, it really isn't limited
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to a title, right? We all lead in our own way.
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How would you define leadership, Julia, in your work and in your life? Sure.
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Leadership for me is more about being a support and a positive influence and
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empowering other people, regardless of your position.
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Throughout my career, I've stepped into leadership roles with my big toe, with my whole arm.
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But it's collaborating and it's advocacy. It's serving.
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One of my favorite leaders, I define as a servant leader.
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She is a person who, if someone's struggling, she will go into a classroom and model for the staff.
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This is what I would love to see happening in here.
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So being that support. As a special ed teacher in autistic support and life
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skills settings predominantly, leadership means coordinating things,
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making things happen, mentoring,
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and supporting their families.
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Helping create systems that allow the students as much access to the things
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that they need as can be, as can be. Yes. Yeah.
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I was really fortunate last school year. I was asked to be the extended school year lead.
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Okay. Even though my school knew that I was leaving. Yeah. They were like, well, guess what?
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We need somebody who has really good leadership skills to run this.
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And why not you? Yeah. So it was great. But I do so many different things.
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Yeah. And all of it, again, it's, you know, trying to be involved.
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Letting people know about different opportunities that exist,
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whether it's Night to Shine, which is like a beautiful program.
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Okay. And opportunities for kids.
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And posting that stuff. Yeah. I like using my social media to get the word out
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so that people know that there are opportunities. Yeah.
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In my personal life, leadership means leading with integrity and empathy and consistency.
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They think that we create space for people to be valued and heard.
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And encouraging accountability, I think that's huge. Yeah.
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I think the most impactful leadership people for me have been people who are
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quiet, but also just allow for growth and encourage that.
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And maybe they're supporting somebody through a challenge or helping them build
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confidence and advocating for
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them because maybe they haven't found their voice quite yet. Yeah, yeah.
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I love that. I'm smiling because you said, you know, your favorite leaders are
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the ones who acquire, but advocate for growth.
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It made me think of myself because I'm like, as you know, I'm not like really
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that outgoing, but I'm really focused on helping people grow.
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And then you talked about your mentor and the way she made you and like teachers feel.
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It made me think of Maya Angelou's quote. It was, people may forget what you
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said, but not how you made them feel, right? So that made me think about that.
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And then you also talked about feeling valued and heard.
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So it brings me to this next concept of psychological safety,
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Julia, right? How do you create psychological safety so people feel comfortable
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taking risks, making mistakes, growing, feeling valued, feeling heard? How do you do that?
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Or how do leaders do that? I work super intentionally to create environments
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where people know that they're respected and supported and not shamed if they make mistakes.
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Yeah. I find all of the classrooms that I've worked in were very paraprofessional
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heavy because the students do need additional adult support to help them to succeed, right?
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So allowing them to feel like they can trust me and sometimes having to bite my tongue.
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Because I'm not necessarily their peer.
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Yeah. So if they share something with me, just listening, trying really hard
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not to judge what they're saying.
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Yeah, 100%. Say it from a place of not knowing. Yeah. Right?
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Yeah. Helping them to work through the challenges and helping them to understand
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that we need to be helping the kids to take risks along with us.
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So it's okay for a student to do X, Y, and Z because that's how they're going to learn, right?
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But teaching people that and teaching my colleagues in my hallway.
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One thing, my classroom currently is located in a hallway that is not the best
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hallway for my students to be on. I teach second and third grade.
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And when the building was designed and opened, we're in a brand new, beautiful building.
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They, our classroom and the classroom next to me are not really run by the school itself.
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We're run by an outside program.
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We're still part of the school district. But when they were putting,
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deciding where to put our classroom, they put it upstairs, not with the second and third graders.
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When on the eighth grade hallway.
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Okay. So these are second and third graders with audio. Yeah.
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What do they do? They imitate behaviors, right? Yes, yes. So I do hear a lot
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of cursing from my kids. Okay.
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But one of the things for me is trying to make things as safe as possible for them.
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So transitioning at different times than the rest of the hallway is transitioning,
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giving them that extra space, allowing for their.
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You know, allowing for their neurodiverse brains to be settled before we make a transition, right?
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And allowing those same things for my staff so really respecting them and knowing
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like okay we all need lunch breaks let's figure out what works the best for
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all of us so having that shared discussion and,
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being able to communicate as calmly as i can with them if there is something
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and modeling patients yeah so yeah i mean it's.
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It's all about celebrating individuality, right? Yeah.
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And supporting that everybody just does things differently.
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Yeah. Some people learn from tactile experiences. Some people learn from auditory experiences.
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Some people are more visual. That's okay, no matter how it is.
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And as long as we keep trying and
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keep moving forward, even when we have a setback, it's completely okay.
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Yeah. Yeah, I love that you said, you know, celebrating individuality.
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It's so important. And you also talked about modeling, right?
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It's one of the ways, as you were saying, in terms of psychological safety,
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it's just modeling, right? Psychologically safe behaviors.
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But on the point of celebrating individuality, I want to use that to go into our final reflection.
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So I know you're really big on inclusion, right? Diversity, equity,
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seeing people as individuals, as you just said, who they are.
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So if every leader, Julia, could embrace one principle about supporting people
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with diverse strengths and needs, what would yours be?
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I think if we could all do this one thing.
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Assume competence. Wonderful. Too often, people are defined by their struggle,
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instead of recognized for their strengths and perspectives and the potential that they bring.
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Whether it's in education, community spaces, true inclusion really happens sometimes.
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When we create environments that are flexible enough for different people to
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thrive. Yeah, I love that.
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Access, dignity, opportunity, and the feeling that they belong.
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Yeah, that they belong. I love that. Like anyone I say, Julia,
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should walk into any classroom, any school and just feel like they belong.
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And it's more than the building. It's more than the people. It is the people
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celebrating them. It's what we have up on the walls, right? The different languages
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and things like that. So I love that. I love that.
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Doing the things we need to do to make them feel like they belong.
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So on that note of belonging, Julia, what does being a change maker mean to you?
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And how are you helping to create a world, a classroom, a building,
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a community where most people feel that they truly belong?
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So for me, I refer to myself as a ruckus maker.
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I am not that person who sits down and is quiet. Nobody puts baby in a corner.
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I will always be that person that creates challenge.
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And that believes that you have to use your voice and your actions and your
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influence in whatever way you can to create spaces that are more equitable,
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compassionate, and accessible for everyone.
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Real change happens when there are everyday moments, not necessarily the big
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things, but it's in the little things that we see.
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It's how we speak to people, how we use our voices to include people,
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how we choose to understand over making judgments.
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And that doesn't just happen just in special ed spaces. That happens in all
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spaces. A hundred percent, yeah.
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Yeah, I love that. Not only special ed spaces, all spaces, right?
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And so that's the message I want to share is that even though I'm largely based
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in education, you know, special education, APA, autism, applied labor analysis,
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it's like the messages are for everyone. It doesn't matter who you are,
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where you're at, what space.
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It all applies, you know, wherever. So to close us out, Julia,
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what is one Monday morning move, a specific action that listeners can take immediately
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to begin creating positive change?
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I think intentionally learning from someone who has a different perspective,
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or different experience from yourself.
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Being open to that could mean, it could mean just listening more closely to
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a student, to a co-worker, to a family member, or to somebody that we meet at the grocery store,
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who may not always feel that they are seen and heard.
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Asking questions with curiosity instead of making assumptions and really listening,
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to understand, not just to respond.
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Inclusion doesn't begin with big gestures. It begins with the small daily choices
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that we all make to help people to feel valued and respected and safe so that they can be themselves.
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I think that's the most meaningful change that can happen is one person at a time.
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Yeah. Wonderful. I love that.
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Listening to something from someone else's perspective, we learn a lot that
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way. We learn a lot that way. Julia, thank you so much for all the golden nuggets you shared.
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And I know our listeners would be able to take away a lot from what you said.
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Thank you so much for your time. It was a pleasure having you on the show.
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Thank you. You're very welcome.