E25 - "Strays" by Early Riser with Kiri Oliver

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Free Tross.
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B Side Breakdown.
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Hey everyone, welcome to the B Side Breakdown. My name
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is Brett Johnson and I'm your host. This is episode
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twenty five of a podcast where I talk with other artists,
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musicians and songwriters about a song they've written that's meaningful
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to them that they can give me permission to play
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in its entirety on this episode for you to hear,
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and then we're gonna have a chat and try to
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get deep into the why behind it. Today I'm gonna
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be talking with Kirie Oliver from the band Early Riser
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about their song Strays, So let's get into it. Here
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is Strays by Early Riser.
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I'm scared recue dogg in the corner, who's ill stories
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of where I have been. Sorry, I won't let you, Patney.
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I just need some time before I let you in.
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There's not much talking that leaving is only a star.
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I'm champing away. I think, La, you're surrounding your art.
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So give me all your page said, give you lots
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of time and give we really usher.
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Like its truly mine. We're all little broke, but or
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less so low. We're all a bunch of strange just
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looking for home.
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He said, take things feeling nervous, and weeks to get settled,
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and months to build trust.
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I know that sometimes I'm the skittish, but I'm warming.
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I'll bet the slowly adjust because no one tells you
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that kindness is.
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Hard to ex when you are more familiar with me
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staying away.
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From it black.
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So give me all your page said, give me lots
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of time, and I give here. I'm sure just like
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is truly fine. We're a little broke your butt now
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we're less jo Bot.
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We're all a bunch of strange just looking for.
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You can't see it and the ball they're right, Thank you, Tekla.
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I was that thing that I'm finally getting comorable.
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And the thunderclad is sick.
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So give me all your patient thank give me lots
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of time, and give me reassurance.
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This life is Trulie man. We're all little.
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Broke me butt now we're lessons Lo.
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We're all a bunch of strange. Just look at book.
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We're all a bunch of strange.
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Just look at for home.
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We're all a bunch of stray.
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But now we're finally home.
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And that was strays by early Riser. We're going to
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take a quick break and come back and talk with
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Kirie Oliver. So please stay with us. All right, and
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we're back. Let's bring in Kirie to talk about the
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song Strays and the band Early Riser and see what
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they're working on. Hey, Carrie, thank you for taking the
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time to talk.
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With me today.
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Thank you for having me.
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I'm so excited, absolutely absolutely so. You know, I kind
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of came upon your band and this record specifically real
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recently and it's it's it's so much fun to listen to.
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I mean, I've read your bios and I've read some
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press that you guys have got or you all have
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had in a really am into the production, the sounds,
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just the choices instrumentally and everything that you're doing. But
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I'd love to hear from you. Why specifically did you
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want to talk about Strays today.
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Well, Strays was the first a single off of Big Life,
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and it wasn't originally going to be We worked really
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really hard to write an album with a lot of fair,
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very catchy and theemic songs. That was kind of our goal.
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And there were a lot of singles or a lot
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of songs that I think could have been singles, and
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I think originally that wasn't necessarily the first one that
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we were thinking of, but then once we talked to
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our label and some other friends that we were sending
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it around to, that was coming to the top that
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it was really resonating with people and they're like, oh,
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that one's so catchy. And I loved the dog theme.
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Everyone's song as we should do like a dog music video.
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And then we didn't end up diving a dog music
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video because that's been done. Other people have done great
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videos where they just hang out with dogs, so sadly
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we did not get to do a hangout with dogs
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music video. But there was something about it that was
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resonating with people and we were like, Okay, maybe this
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actually should be the first one. It is, you know,
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a very meaningful song to me, and I think represents
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a step forward in my songwriting as well. There were
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a lot of things that I was going for when
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I wrote it, which wasn't always the case. You know,
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like a lot of the songs that we've written over
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our now you know, ten year career, I can't really remember.
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I was just like, oh, I was having a feeling
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and that song poured out, but this was like I
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had a feeling but then I was thoughtful about it
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of like, I want to write this song where there's
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this metaphor about because I had what inspired it was
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that I had left the toxic job that i'd been
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out for more than a decade. Yeah, and I got
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a new job that's a great job, but I was
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having a really hard time transitioning because I had been
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in such a bad environment for so long, and I
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found myself saying to people, like, I feel like a
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scared rescue dog that's just kind of like hovering in
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the corner because I like can't trust that I'm going
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to be treated well and I'm going to feel safe
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in this environment. So I took that idea and you know,
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decided to build out this metaphor and then decided to
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not write about the workplace but write it like it
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was a relationship, Like you're in a new relationship, you've
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left the bad relationship, and you feel like this scared
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dog and kind of extend that to like how it
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feels to trust someone again. So that, Yeah, that was
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a really cool process and a little more intentional than
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some of my writing has maybe been in the past
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in terms of what I wanted to accomplish and do
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with it, not just what I wanted to write about
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and get out. So I think that's really cool to
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see how that came out in the end.
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Absolutely no, And that's really fun to hear that whole process,
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and that's such a such an awesome approach, and I
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really admire and respect that as a as a fellow
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songwriter who aspires to do things that are as cool
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as as that. Like, I just love how your process
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there and in the metaphor of it, and how you're
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getting kind of that sentiment out in a different way
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that is super accessible and really fun at the same time,
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which you know, given the subject matter, you know, I
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think it's Yeah, I know, I think that's really great.
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Congratulations for doing that so amazingly because it's that's not
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I wouldn't have picked or pegged that that's what that
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was about necessarily.
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At all, and you don't need to because it's like
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that's the great thing about songwriting, Like I can write
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from whatever happened to me that I want to write about.
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And I think that was something that I really took
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into the process for this album as well, of like
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just because something happened to me, it doesn't mean that
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I need to like encapsulate that thing so exactly, which
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I really did in a lot of songs before. I
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can just take that feeling and I can decide what
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I want to shape it into that will be relatable
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to the biggest number of people, Like I was really
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thinking about that when I when I made this album.
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And yeah, it's funny. I think when people think of
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something that's widely has like wide appeal, they think of
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it being more generic. But it's like people actually do
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like specificity, but it's like specific in a way that
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different people can relate to it. Like different people have
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come to me and told me what they relate to
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in this song, and it's not the thing that happened
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to me that inspired it. You know, it's something different
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for everyone. And I love that, and that shows me
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that I did something good that people are connecting with
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it and connecting with their own experience, especially the idea
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of home. Multiple people have come to me and said
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that that really struck them, that you know, we're all
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a bunch of strange is looking for a home. We're
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all a bunch of strange and now we're finally home
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and sort of relating that to things in their life
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of whether it's you know, going through something hard, moving
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somewhere new, meeting new people, connecting with new people. Like
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there's just a lot of just faith is in life
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where you could relate to that.
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Definitely, No, definitely I do, and as in me personally
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as well, there's like five different flavors of that I
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relate to. So that's it really speaks to me. And
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I'm really grateful you put it out there, and I'm
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super interested to know more about if you're willing to
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share about it. So you said that the band has
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had a ten year career so far. Tell me more
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about that. So I know that you had the first
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record was Currents that came out in twenty seventeen, right,
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And was that after I mean a few years then
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of the band being in existence or was this just
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a duo at that point or tell me more about that.
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Yeah, So this has started as a solo project, likee
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more than ten years ago, just pretty informal because I
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was in other bands. But I was in another band
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with Heidi called Leda Hidie's ar Cello Player. We were
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in like a five woman kind of in the Americana
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type band. And that band broke up and I asked, Heidi,
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you know, do you want to play cello on some
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of these acoustic songs that I've been working on. So
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early Riser I had already been calling it that miss
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Whole project, but that was kind of born as like
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a duo where we were seriously going to play shows
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and make records and stuff, and you know, we were
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involved in the comedy scene at the time. We booked
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the musical guest for the Chris Gethard Show, which at
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the time was like a weird underground, you know, public
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access show, and then later had a few seasons on
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cable TV, and that's where we met Mikey because he
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was the drummer in the house band. But because of
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our connections to the comedy scene, our first shows actually
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were like variety shows. Like if someone was doing a
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comedy variety show at like an underground comedy place in
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New York, we would be the musical guest, and we
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weren't doing musical comedy. We were just playing music. But
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that was where we first started playing shows, which is
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sort of in these like variety shows settings in the
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comedy scene. And then you know, we would play punk
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shows but it would be hard to be the acoustic
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act on a full band show because people would talk
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over us, and we sort of hit a point where
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we were like, yeah, we don't want to do this anymore.
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We need a band. But it was really really hard,
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Like we looked around a lot. It was really hard
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to find people who were available to be in the band.
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Like we'd had a bunch of friends who'd be like, oh,
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i'll play this show with you, but I can't really
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be in the band. So we were kind of like
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cycling through different people who were all great, but no
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one was really available. So eventually we were like, Okay,
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we're gonna make We're gonna make this record, but we
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don't have a band, so we need to find like
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two people who ended up being our friends Zaying on
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basin Davey on drums, who were like willing to come
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in and workshop the songs with us as full band
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songs in a pretty short amount of time. So you know,
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the current songs we had been playing acoustic, and then
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you know, we got them together, but we weren't playing
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them live with that lineup. So it wasn't what I
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would ideally want in terms of really fleshing out the sound.
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It was kind of like, okay, we put based in
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drums on these, it sounds pretty cool. We're going to
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go in the studio and record it. And you know,
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we were just excited to make our first record. So
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we did that. And then you know, once we were
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getting ready to tour on that, we met Nicole, who's
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our basis now. She had moved to New York. It's
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always great to meet someone who's just moved here, like
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fresh meat. You know, she had moved here from Boston.
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She'd been in bands. We had mutual friends. It's like, oh,
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we're gonna get you before someone else gets you. And
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then so yeah, we've been playing with Mikey for a bit,
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but he wasn't always like around to tourn stuff because
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he tours, as you may know, in so many bands.
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So so yeah, like as around twenty seventeen that we
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started playing uh with them more and eventually you know,
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kind of put the feelers out of like you guys
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want to make it official, like you guys want to
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make a record with us. I remember being kind of
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nervous to be like, okay, cool, we've been playing the show.
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someone like Mikey, who's such a busy drummer and you know,
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in so many bands, it's always like it's you know,
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so it's like, oh, yeah, like is it okay to
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ask him to be in my band? But he was like, no, dude,
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like that would be awesome. Like I tour with so
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many bands, but not that many people actually like asked
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me to make records with them. I'm just like filling
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in here or there, doing this or that tour or whatever,
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and like I love to write records and make records.
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really cool to get to really dig in with the
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same group of people and just think about, you know,
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where we want to go. So for the for vocations,
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we were just finding our sound as the four of
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us and not having to you know, replicate in any
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way what we did on Currents, because that was just
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kind of slapped together and this was like, okay, this
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is us, Like, this is what we sound like, this
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is how we want to write these songs. And then
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having already made a record together once we got to
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do this one. We all have like different but kind
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of similar goals of what we were bringing to it.
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to push my songwriting forward in certain ways, also wanted
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to push forward my guitar playing. You know, I'm self taught.
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I had played you know, a lot of the same
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strumming patterns and the same chords and a lot of
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those songs and just very utilitarian, which is fine because
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I'm really like mostly focused on the lyrics. But I
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knew that my songwriting would move forward if I like
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brought in my palette of what I could do on
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guitar in terms of different chord progressions and different rhythms
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and stuff. So that's something that I was working on
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and bringing to it. And then everyone else kind of
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brought their own ideas of like you know, Heidi saying, Okay,
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this is the riff that I would normally write. For this,
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I'm gonna try something different, or Nicole's kind of saying
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the same thing on bass, like I would normally just
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do this on bass when and I trust something different,
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is really cool that when you have a group of
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people who work well together, but you're each like trying
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to push forward what you do a little bit, then
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that pushes for the whole thing. And I think that
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that is really evident in just making these songs like
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as catchy, as epic, as anthemic as possible, which of
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course was also made possible with the production working with
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Johnny Yellow, who was like our dream producer and he
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knew that's what we wanted to accomplish and he really
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really helped us do that.
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That's awesome. So how long have these songs then for
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this record been sort of ready to go? Like when
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did you start recording?
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We recorded a year ago, so November twenty twenty three.
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Got it? Got it? And then is the Asbestos Records thing?
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Is that a new thing for you or is that
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have you really started stuff on that?
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No, we were on af Records, which no longer exists
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because one of the founders of Anti Flag as an
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abuser and so yeah, so after that happened, you know,
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we were very focused on supporting the survivors, getting involved
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with the Punk Rock Therapist, which is a nonprofit and yeah,
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so we didn't really know for a while or even
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really think about like what we were going to do
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label wise. But once the record was in hand and
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mixed and mastered everything, we were like, all right, like,
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we don't necessarily want to self release this. We really
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like putting out vinyl. I do a lot of stuff
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for this band every single day, but I one thing
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I don't want to do is try to co coordinate
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with the pressing plant. I don't really know do that.
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We would love to have a labels and it's like
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the best part of being in a label is just
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like the community that you get with the other artists
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for sure who are on it. And you know, we
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did get that from af There were a lot of
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really great artists that we connected with in our Friends
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with still, including the Homeless Gospel Choir who took us
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out on our first tour in twenty seventeen and now
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is also on Asbestos Records, so it is now once
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again our label mate. And he kind of vouched for
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us to Matt Flood, who is the label owner, and
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Matt listened to our stuff and immediately loved it. He
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said that he was like, this is exactly my jam,
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like reminds me of like Planet X spoke punk stuff,
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and I have other like acoustic punk artists like Derek
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from He's Solo Now, Derek Sneddy, the Homess, Goustle Choir
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and Black Eye Fall, such as our Ian Robinson, our
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other friends. So you know, Matt was like, I can
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see you as touring together, like this is a great fit.
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Let's do it. So we're very fortunate that that worked out.
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No, that sounds amazing. And again that came out just
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as past past October. So question on that, where is
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the best place then for people to go find this
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record or to buy it? I mean, is it through
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Asbestosrecords dot com? Is it on band camp? Is it
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where should people go?
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Yeah? Both of those. You can get it from Asbestos Records.
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You can get it from our band camp, okay, digital
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is our band camp or any whatever streaming platform you use.
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It's everywhere.
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Great great, great great great. And so then you're playing
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Fest this weekend, Yeah, yes, got it. So for everybody
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who's listening to this, you know, I'm going to do
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my best to get this episode out before Fest that
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happens this coming weekend late October twenty twenty four. But
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in case it happens to been to the following week.
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That's what we're talking about. Is Fest, a festival that
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happens in Gainesville, Florida, every year. And I think they're
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on Fest. What is it twenty two this year? Oh gosh, yeah,
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I'm gonna get that wrong.
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I think it's like twenty three, got it?
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Okay?
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Oh wait, no, you're right, it is twenty two.
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Oh cool? Okay, because it always confuses me when I
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see Fest twenty two, I'm like, wait, are they saying
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twenty twenty two?
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And I know they're not, so yeah, it's confusing. I
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think it also got like thrown off by COVID.
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COVID, Sure, yep, yep. So you're coming down from Brooklyn
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then to come to Gainesville to play this? When are
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you doing? Are you en route? Are you doing a
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string of shows on the way down?
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Mike's touring down with the Dopamines okay, and we're all
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just meeting in Gainesville?
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Got it? Got it? And when do you play at
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Fest this weekend?
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We play on Saturday at ten forty pm at the Wooly.
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I got a very exciting, stacked show with a lot
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of our friends like Rebuilder and Dead bar Is and
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Doc Hopper, the Eradicator, Uh, Teenage Halloween, Fat Heaven. So
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it can be really fun.
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That's great, that's awesome, Super excited about that. So then
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are you doing any other shows after that on the
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way back or is it just you just coming down
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here for this because Mike's gonna continue on doing some
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other tour and then you can meet up later or
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kind of.
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Going in going back. Yeah, we we just we just
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did like a weekend or of album release shows and
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we're doing fast and that's all we have planned for
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the rest of the year. We need to sleep, you know,
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we have we have jobs and sure, uh and you
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know other stuff we're all managing. And yeah, it's a
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huge accomplishment to get a record out and get to
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do all the stuff around it and go to Fest
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and then I think, you know, we just need a
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little time to uh, to rest and then figure out,
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you know, how we can continue to get this record
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out there next year. Maybe go to some places we
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have been before.
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No, that's great. Have you played Fest before?
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Only once before in twenty seventeen, okay, which was a
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great experience, but yeah, it used to conflict with my
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aforementioned job. I it's like a really big event that
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I had to plan every year, like the same week
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that fest was, or like the week after, so I
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couldn't really get time off. And so yeah, no, I'm
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free and I am available the last weekend of October.
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So yeah, very happy to be going back.
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Oh that's super awesome. Right on, Well let's do this.
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Let's take a quick break and then we'll come back
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and find out what else you got going on that
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you want to talk about, and h's kind of go
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from there. Is that cool? Awesome? All right, and we're
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back with Kirie from Early Riser and talking about the
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song Strays and so, Kirile, let's tell me more about
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the song, tell me more about your influences as a songwriter,
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kind of what you're going for stylist with that, anything
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you want to go into that kind of gets more
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deep into the songwriting process for you.
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Yeah, thank you well. For anyone who has followed us
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for a bit, it's not a secret that we are
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really big fans of the Weaker Bands and John K.
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Sampson from Winnipeg, and yeah, he's definitely one of my
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favorite songwriters and biggest influences. But until I started working
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more on my songwriting and guitar playing in a really
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intentional way. I don't think my influences necessarily came through
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directly because they didn't know how to channel them. Like,
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you know, we all have influences in terms of like
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the reason that we write songs or you know, the
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things we listen to that of course influence what comes out,
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but like, I never really knew how to say I
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want to write a song like in the style of
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this person, because you need a certain level of understanding
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of how that person approaches it musically as well as lyrically.
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And I don't know for some reason writing this album
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that for me, So John Ky Sampson was the main
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musical inspiration for this song Weaker Thans. Fans know he
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has a series of songs about a cat Vertute the cat,
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or really they're like they're narrated by a cat, but
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they're about a person who's struggling and you know this.
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The first song is called Flee from a cat name
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for Tute, and it's like a fan favorite Weaker Than
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song because it's this cat who's singing to her owner
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and it has this climactic part that's like I know
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you're strong, so she's kind of like giving him a
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pep talk through this clearly kind of hard time in
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his life. It's just such an endearing song. And then
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the second song in the trilogy, which we covered for
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The Weaker Than's tribute, Vertuta, the Cat explains her departure,
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is like one of the most heartbreaking songs I've ever heard,
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where the cat basically narrates running away and forgetting her name,
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and they have this line, I can't remember the sound
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that you found for me about forgetting her name, which
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is to me, just like every time I think about it,
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I cry. And then on one of his solo records,
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John wrote another song called for tute Rest, which, if
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you think it couldn't get any sadder, now the cat
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has passed and is talking to the owner from you know,
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this little nest in the back of his brain that
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he has created for her where she lives now, and
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she's still like continuing to provide him comfort. And I
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really can't listen to that one without crying. But yeah,
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the fact that this person created such a rich world
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that continues to like move and inspire people so much
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like around this fictional cat, I just really love that.
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So once I knew that I was writing a dog
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metaphor based on this scared rescue dog thing that I
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had said about my own life, I was like, oh, well,
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I'm gonna write like a John K. Sampson style song,
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like the cat songs, but I'm going to write a
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dog song. And you know that was really the inspiration
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of using the dog metaphor to write about something you
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know that may have come from a difficult place, but
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like from an uplifting angle.
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Absolutely have you Have you had the chance to meet
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John K.
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Sampson, Oh, only very briefly. Don't be your heroes. I'm
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just I get so nervous, Like I don't really like
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to talk to musicians or people I admire unless I'm
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working with them. Which is why I really liked being
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a music booker because I was able to meet people
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I really admire and kind of meet them as a
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peer because I was just like working with them and
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doing logistics and yeah, like, I'm not someone who really
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feels comfortable going up to people at shows and gushing
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or whatever. But our drummer Mikey, he used to play
486
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with his bank called Warriors, and Warriors did a stripped
487
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down kind of duo tour with John K. Sampson on
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one of his solo tours. So Mikey was like, you
489
00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:03.519
should just talk to him. You should have talked to him.
490
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So I went up to him and I talked to
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him for like a minute or whatever, like in the line,
492
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And of course it's anticlimactic, and I embarrass myself, but
493
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because that's how it always is, I'm just like, he
494
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played all the cat songs and I was like, oh
495
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:17.920
my god, I was crying, and he was like, oh,
496
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but you know he's amazing. Yeah, you can't. Yeah, you'll
497
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never live up to your own expectations of what it's
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going to be like meeting someone that you admire, especially
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I think when it's in kind of like a fan
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artist structure. That's why I surely like meeting people. Like
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if you play with someone or you book them or whatever,
502
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then it's like then you can just kind of talk
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to them like equals. I mean, obviously there's still like
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you know, sure more well known and higher up in
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the scene or whatever, but like it feels more like
506
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a peer. So it is hard for me, not someone
507
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who knows how to interact with musicians like as a fan,
508
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so I usually just avoid it.
509
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No, I totally understand that. I'm I mean, yeah, I
510
00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:04.319
have two just glowing, awesome examples of that in my
511
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past where I got to meet like just huge heroes
512
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of mine and I ended up just sort of fan
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boing out on them and it was so embarrassing and
514
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I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe I just
515
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.440
did this. And they were super gracious about it and
516
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:18.960
really cool about it at the same time. But No,
517
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I totally understand. I've was fortunate enough to do a
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couple of tours where there's a bunch of different artists
519
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:26.880
and like you're talking about, to me, it's like the
520
00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:30.640
there's this sort of I don't know why I was
521
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equated it to this, but for me, like where I
522
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:35.680
came up in Minneapolis, like I was a bartender at
523
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this one spot, and I always thought it would be
524
00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:39.839
so cool to be a bartender at this one place
525
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when I was you know, young, and just like oh whatever,
526
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:44.119
it would just be really fun in the scene to
527
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do that. And then when I kind of got the gig,
528
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I'm like, oh, well, this is just an illusion completely,
529
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Like we're all just regular people just behind a bar
530
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:53.640
pouring drinks, you know, and oh got it. And then
531
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when I found myself on tour in a similar situation
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around with these other artists that are you know, I'm like,
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oh my god, that's this and this and this and this,
534
00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:03.680
and I'm like, uh wait a minute, Oh yeah, we're
535
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:05.799
all just regular people just hanging out, you know, before
536
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:07.920
we have to go play a show. And there's none
537
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.799
of that fanboy freak out you know thing there at all.
538
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:13.400
It was just now we can just have to cach.
539
00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:15.319
How's your day, Oh it's good, Oh cool man, have
540
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:17.319
a good show, you know. And it's like such a
541
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:19.960
different vibe. But I mean I totally understand that completely.
542
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Of the working with them, you know, other people, other
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00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.359
musicians that you may respect and admire, is such a
544
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:29.079
different dynamic than seeing them at a club and uh
545
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:31.880
yeah the merch line.
546
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And yeah, and you just saw them ply it. You're
547
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:35.359
just like I love you and they're like, I don't
548
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:38.519
know who you are. But yeah, anytime you do get
549
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:40.799
to interact with someone you admire in more of like
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00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:43.240
a professional capacity, it is so amazing. And like you said,
551
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you realize, like we're all just people, but normally you
552
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:49.920
don't got to talk to someone you admire just as
553
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.079
a person, and if you're in that merch line, like
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00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:54.680
maybe there's a way to do it, but it's hard,
555
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:59.920
right like for sure. You know, I've I've seen friends
556
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:04.039
fangirl or fanboy to artists and start talking about their
557
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:08.039
own band, which to me felt cringe. Maybe that's not
558
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:10.039
me to judge, but in that moment, I was like, oh,
559
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:12.680
I wouldn't do that. But it's like it's hard because
560
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that's that's how you connect, right Like, like if I'm
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connecting to another musician in general, like I'm going to
562
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talk about my music in there and talking about their
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music and we're gonna connect. But it's also kind of
564
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hard when you're in that like fan artist, you know environment,
565
00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:31.519
Like it's it's gonna be different. If you just start
566
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:35.079
talking about your band to them, You're still not gonna
567
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:38.480
be able to connect like as peers, it's gonna seem
568
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.799
like you're trying to give them your demo like that school,
569
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you know, like like try to try to get a
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leg up and see if you all connect me in
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the industry or whatever. Like it's just hard. I don't
572
00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.759
really know if there's a shortcut in that type of
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environment to actually like making a genuine connection with someone,
574
00:28:57.519 --> 00:28:59.480
because it's just not like set up for that the
575
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same way. And like you said, you're on tory, we're
576
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:04.039
all just hanging around. Everyone's just like people.
577
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:09.559
Yeah, no, that's yeah, that's such an interesting dynamic. And
578
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:12.039
I've seen that so many times, and I've been on
579
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that side of it. It's like, I wouldn't be great
580
00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:16.319
if it's like that. Dude, it's just not gonna happen.
581
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:20.079
You can't have some sort of real sincere connection while
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00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:22.799
someone is standing behind the merged table like signing stuff
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00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:25.319
and just like rifling through people and like trying to
584
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:29.279
have some meaningful interaction that hopefully will result in I
585
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:31.559
don't know what you know. So yeah, that always just
586
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:32.680
felt like a lost cause to me.
587
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:36.079
But it is hard. But that reminds me like being
588
00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:37.839
on the other side of it, especially it's like a
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00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:40.039
smaller artist. It is really awesome when people come up
590
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:41.960
to the merch table and you can talk to them.
591
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And something that I love is that a lot of
592
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people bring their kids to our shows. Like we're old
593
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:50.039
enough now that like some people have kids who are
594
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old enough to go to shows. And we played a
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show in Wilmington for a record release and a guy
596
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brought his life year old daughter and they came up
597
00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:04.079
to the merch table and you know, the kids are
598
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.720
always like pretty shy in my experience, but he said,
599
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:08.759
you know, like we were watching your set, and she
600
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:10.680
turned to me and she whispered, I like her songs.
601
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And I love talking to kids, especially girls, like if
602
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:16.799
I can be someone who inspires them to start a band,
603
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:18.359
because no one told me when I was that age
604
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that I could start a band. Like I was taking
605
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:21.599
piano lessons, but like I didn't know that I could
606
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:23.400
be in a rock band because I didn't really see
607
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:27.359
that didn't have any like female role models or other
608
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.359
girls around like playing rock instruments. So you know, just
609
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:31.839
to be able to say to someone like, hey, do
610
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you sing, do you play guitar? Like do you write songs?
611
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Like you can do this, Like you totally should do this.
612
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.880
You know, that's so fun and like so rewarding. I
613
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.160
would say, that's like my favorite type of interaction, inspiring
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the youth.
615
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:49.559
Absolutely, No, that's awesome, that's awesome, that's great perspective on that.
616
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:54.359
For sure. I want to just to ask you though,
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00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:58.240
so I know, just kind of be being mindful of
618
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:02.240
other folks that listen to this podcast. It's a kind
619
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:05.839
of a castle wide net stylistically, and there's people who
620
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:09.279
don't know a lot of the deep. The deep bands
621
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.920
in certain scenes and genres and when this happened or
622
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.160
what happened, and from your perspective, I would love to know,
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if you're willing to share it, what is your favorite
624
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:19.720
Weaker Than's album, because I would love to kind of
625
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:21.720
just hate everybody go listen to this week and Than's
626
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:24.200
record as well, because then you can kind of get
627
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.119
some perspective on that, Like is there one that you'd
628
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:27.000
particularly push?
629
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:32.279
Yeah, I would say probably Reconstruction Site. Okay, Yeah, they're
630
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:35.559
really a fantastic band. I know a lot of people
631
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:38.480
don't know about them if they weren't in like a
632
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:42.559
particular corner of the scene. But they really cross a
633
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:45.720
lot of genres, you know. They played like the singer
634
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.400
had played bass in Propagandhi, which is like a political
635
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.079
punk band from Canada, but he was the kind of
636
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:54.119
like softer guy in it, so he went off and
637
00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:57.960
wrote his little indie rock songs. Even though they played
638
00:31:58.000 --> 00:31:59.519
sort of with a lot of emo bands and stuff.
639
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:04.000
They really kind of transcended genre and had different elements
640
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:06.480
of like you know, punk, emo, indie, even like a
641
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.920
little bit of country slide guitar and stuff. But like
642
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.759
the thing that you know, I'm looking for in music
643
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.119
that I like is not the genre, but just like
644
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.720
the songwriting, and you know, they have some of the
645
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:22.559
best songwriting I've ever heard, just like really like literary level,
646
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:25.680
someone that you can tell like his whole passion is
647
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:28.160
just finding the right words for something. He uses a
648
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.440
lot of words that I've had to look up, like semaphore.
649
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.519
I didn't know what that was. It's like maybe flags
650
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:39.680
or whatever. So yeah, it's always a pleasure to listen
651
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.000
to someone that you're like, I know, they worked so
652
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:46.440
so hard on just writing this just right in a
653
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.200
way that must have been very it feels almost like
654
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.039
it must have been academic. But then the result is
655
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:55.440
like something that inspires a lot of feelings in people,
656
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.640
which is hard to do right, to do something like
657
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.839
almost clinically of like I'm going to, like we were
658
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:02.519
talking about with this record, like I'm going to approach
659
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:05.759
this in this way, but the outcome isn't meant to
660
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:09.160
be something clinical. The outcome is actually something that is
661
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:11.799
going to make people feel things. So that is super
662
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:15.079
rewarding to be able to take sort of measured approach
663
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.000
to something. But actually what you're trying to do is
664
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:20.279
to write a song that will make people feel something
665
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:22.759
and say like, oh wow, I actually relate to that.
666
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:26.599
Yeah, No, that's that's that is awesome. That is awesome. Well,
667
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:30.440
thank you for that recommendation. Also, just wanted to ask
668
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:33.599
you more again about Big Life the record. So are
669
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.920
you I know you said that after this fast show,
670
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:39.440
excuse me, you're going to go back to New York
671
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:41.599
and I gather all of you live in Brooklyn or
672
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:43.200
New York in general in that area.
673
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:43.920
Brooklyn and Queens.
674
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:47.000
Yeah, all right, got it cool. So you go back
675
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:48.240
home and you're going to kind of take the rest
676
00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:50.640
of your off. What do you think? What are you
677
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:54.480
working on conceptually for twenty twenty five? Have you have
678
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:56.359
you thought about it as a band? Are you working
679
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:59.960
on any specific video or multimedia stuff that you're trying
680
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.079
to put out in a different capacity or anything like that.
681
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:04.279
It was just curious if there's anything on your radar
682
00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:06.000
that people can be looking forward to.
683
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:11.199
Hopefully plan some festivals that will get us to some
684
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.519
places that we haven't been before. Don't have anything to
685
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:17.440
share on that yet, but oka feel free to follow
686
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:21.960
us on social media and we'll have any updates there
687
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:22.960
as soon as we have them.
688
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:26.960
Awesome, And what is the best What is the most
689
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:29.679
consistent platform you're updating on from social media? Is it
690
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:31.039
just Instagram or is it all over the.
691
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:35.079
Place on the Instagram? Also Facebook, and we're also on
692
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:38.840
so it's yeah, Instagram is an early riser band. Facebook,
693
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.599
I think you just put in an early riser and
694
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:44.840
we're also on TikTok early riser band. I'm having a
695
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:45.920
lot of fun on TikTok.
696
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:49.960
Cool cool, awesome. Well, Carrie, thank you so much for
697
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:51.840
taking the time to talk to me about this today.
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00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.039
Strays is a great song. I look forward to digesting
699
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.119
the rest of the record, and I hope you have
700
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an awesome show at fest this weekend, and you know,
701
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if it works out that I can get there, which
702
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:03.719
I'm trying to because I live in Orlando, hopefully I'll
703
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:06.519
be able to come introduce myself and say hi, and awesome,
704
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.480
meet the band and see everybody. So thank you again.
705
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:11.840
Yeah, Thank you so much. This is great.
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Free crows up Beside Breakdown.
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Holly to Joe it side walk back on Bostar, I'm
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down as we try to back you for.
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All right, And that wraps up another episode of the
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b Side Breakdown. I want to thank Currie Oliver from
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the band Early Riser to come along to talk about
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00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:02.960
their song stre I also want to thank Adam Coolong
713
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:05.400
and Carrie Bosel for helping me put together the jingle
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you hear at the beginning and the end of this episode.
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In the background, you're hearing the song Doppler by the
716
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:12.400
band rat Owl. If you dig what you're hearing, please
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00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:14.639
go back and listen to the previous episode because that's
718
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.639
what it's about. Up next, we have the band Omnigon
719
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and Adam d who I'll be chatting with. I'll give
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you a brief snippet of their song Grief at the
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end of this episode. Please subscribe to this podcast wherever
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you get your podcast. Thank you for your continued and
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ongoing support. I really appreciate it. You know, stay safe
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out there and we'll see it the next one. Thanks.
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thinking by the Greek, then if I had I wish
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Iblic document, some peta
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