Startup.com (2001)

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Almost almost almost major, Holy fucking
ship, this is major being there.
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We're talking about Startup dot Com,
a documentary about the early dot com boom
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and uh the bubble bursting of the
dot com. We've talked about the Internet
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a few times on this podcast,
but never just this specific type of Internet.
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I mean, I guess kind of
was strangely, but regardless, I
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want to know what everybody remembers about
the Internet at this time. I definitely
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remember, let's see, let's put
it in the frame of like two thousand
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and two thousand and one, some
anecdotes I remember. I do remember Adult
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Swim had just come out, and
I was like so perplexed by what the
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fuck that was, and I was
trying to uh not even google it.
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I don't even know what I used
at the time, but I was I
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couldn't spell adult because I was like
fucking like eight or something like that.
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I remember going up to my mom
and I'd be like, hey, mom,
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can you just spell adults? And
looking down and and she just goes,
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why do you need to know that? And I go, oh,
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it's a it's a cartoon network.
It's called Adult Swim, And she goes,
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ask your brother, like stuff like
stuff like that, going to like
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south Park wallpaper pages to download cool
new wallpaper where it's like cartmen as Neo
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and the Matrix. I'm like,
oh, I'm gonna put that on the
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computer family computer wallpaper Man, and
uh, my parents liked me most at
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the time because when I got on
the computer, I only wanted to play
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a Rugrats game. I didn't want
to get on the internet. So because
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back then, if you got on
the Internet, you can't be on the
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phone. So they're just like,
oh, yeah, we'd like when you
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get on because we can still be
on the phone. But my older brother
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was Steff. He was like chatting
on like MSN Messenger and going to like
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the Gauntlet dot com, which was
an early new metal website. But yeah,
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Charlie, early early Internet. Yeah, I specifically remember they were like
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during the days of aim or aim
however you want to pronounce it, just
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like Friday nights, like when that
was a new thing, and we were
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just like, no, I got
to spend my night here just like just
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messaging people you just spent like eight
hours with in school and just having the
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most boring like like like just didactic
conversations. Hey, Hey, what's up
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with like the you know shift six
key, you know, like U NMU
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NM, Like, wow, I'm
being social because we weren't allowed out back
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then, like to go I just
a dinner same yeah, and you were
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just like, man, this Friday
night is popping off. Yeah, my
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sister's like, come watch Titanic with
me. No, No, I'm far
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too busy. Like or you'd get
on and be like the person you want
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to talk to has been away for
like three hours, and you're like,
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maybe maybe they'll come back, and
then when eventually they come back, you'd
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message them and then they'd sign off. Sorry, I'm messaging someone with a
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BRB away message and their profile is
lyrics from I don't know, you know,
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my Chemical Romance song or something like
that. He hates me by a
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puddle of mud? Yeah, the
one. If there's one thing I truly
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miss from the early odds though,
and it has kind of come back and
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there is a lot of nostalgia for
it. Do any of you remember homestar
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runner dot com? Oh yes,
of course, yeah. Yeah. Homestar
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Runner was my shit that website.
I mean it was initially about the titular
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character Homestar Runner, who's like basically
a guy who's like pale white with very
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long legs and a red shirt with
a star on it. But ultimately the
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thing of the week used to be
strong bed emails, where you could email
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this fiction character played named Strongbad who
kind of looked like a shirtless power ranger
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with boxing gloves on. And he
would actually like it would go into like
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complete surrealists almost data like humor about
like what would your cartoon be like?
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And he'd be like, oh,
well, my cartoon would be like about
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a cow and it would be the
protagonist would be like a cow mixed with
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a helicopter. And then I'd be
in it, but my head would be
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a keyboard. And when I get
mad, I played a demo and you
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like, it's all inside joke humor, but it made total sense of your
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into the lore of it, and
it was just it was awesome and it
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wasn't even like like adults could like
it, but kids could like it,
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and it wasn't too too inappropriate,
Like I think the edgiest thing is that
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like he'd be like there would be
beer jokes or something like that, or
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like you know, there would be
a character named the poop Smith or something
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but like, oh Jesus, but
like I got even got my dad into
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this, and then of course I'd
go to middle school and whenever we had
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like computer class, we'd you know, finish whatever assignment we had so we
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could secretly log onto like whatever homestar
runner was doing. Well. Then you'd
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get on there and it'd be like
this website you can't on access, and
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you're like, fuck, they didn't
discover that one yet. I was in
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a generation where they didn't have that
yet. I was also in a weird
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generation where I was allowed to listen
to my classic iPod taking like tests and
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shit. I remember there was one
time I face like I was allowed to
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listen to my iPod classic while taking
a Spanish test and I knew I was
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failing, and I immediately put on
bright eyes and just started like like like
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silently, like eternally sobbing, just
being like, yep, this is not
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gonna go well, but at least
I can listen to bright Eyes while I
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do this. Oh No, Early
classrooms was definitely either you had a teacher
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that was cool with it, but
more than likely you weren't. So when
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you you had a substitute, you'd
be like, oh, yeah, miss,
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and so let's listen to music whenever
we do our thing. They like,
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is that true? Like yeah,
yeah, that was pretty much the
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height of that was getting a substitute
to not care enough that you could listen
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to music while you know I I
My proudest achievement was when I had a
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drama class where we had to do
meditations, and my drama teacher liked everything
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on my iPod so much that she
asked for my iPod for like meditations and
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then ask for me to burn her
CDs of like Ciga ROAs and Damien Rice
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and stuff like that. Or I
was just like that was my ultimate teacher's
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pet moment where I was just like
I don't even care, this is this
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rules like hell yeah yeah. Just
early Internet where I mean I mainly miss
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forums, like I like read it
as kind of like the forum two point
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zero kind of thing, but I
just missed being on forums and all the
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all the I would spend all fucking
day on like horror movie forms, and
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yeah I missed that, but it's
probably the same thing now, which just
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I've probably aged out of it.
I do remember when I was on a
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horror movie forum back in the day
and people would write reviews on like a
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certain type of this forum, and
I just plagiarized like five different reviews and
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put it together and then they found
out about it and banned me. That
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that was my first, uh first
spat journalist. Did you ever have a
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live journal or a zinga? Nah? I had a y. I definitely
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had a live journal where I was
like I found some form that was like
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a movie related forum, and I
just like spammed it with like my dumb
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thirteen year old taste and it was
like this like I don't know person in
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their twenties. It was actually being
trying to be taken seriously and they were
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just I was just like have you
all seen The Forgotten? What a weird
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movie? And they're like, we
don't want, we don't care about this.
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Julian fucking It would be the it
would be the thing where I would
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lie about how old I was and
they'd be like, you're lying. We
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can tell. It was just like
how what No, what what are you
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talking about? No, it's just
like it's like, uh, yeah,
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you gave a oh goodness, what
would be a movie? Yeah, like
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they're forgotten. It's like you gave
that a nine out of ten because you
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said it wasn't that good but still
enjoyable. It's like, you're obviously twelve,
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and I'm like, nuh, I'm
eighteen. Brighton. What were your
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experiences like with the early Internet.
I think I think it's a little bit
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later than the era of this movie
that we're gonna be talking about, because
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I think I started using the Internet
around like two thousand and five, and
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I just basically remember what do I
remember from that? I remember just Googling.
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I remember like first testing out Google. It's like, wait, if
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you type this into like the search
bar, like it'll like you'll find pictures
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of this. Like it's just like
and I just remember being like kind of
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stunned by that. And then also
Briden, what were you searching images of?
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You find images of? Well?
I think it was also just like
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movies, Like that was like probably
what I was looking at. Also,
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like I don't know, I mean, I'd going to go into movies,
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dot iTunes, dot com or whatever, like that's where you watched all the
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movie trailers back in the day up
until still like in high school. Yeah,
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for YouTube really kicked. I remember
when I was like in fourth grade
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or something. There was the app
that came on like MacBook computers called front
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Row or something where like you clicked
like a movie chair and it would take
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you into like this scroll down menu
of like all the movie trailers. I
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was like, oh, yeah,
I remember that. Yeah, I don't
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know. I also remember using like
uh using a computer for like uh Internet
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games on like new Grounds and stuff
like that, and that would be to
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some stuff that maybe I probably shouldn't
have been playing at the time. Definitely
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was like some stuff that I would
be like, okay, like sayone around,
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all right, just gonna like I'm
just gonna play Alien Homanoid and I'm
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gonna play that. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not even kidding when I say
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that. Uh. I mean,
you can't access this anymore, nor would
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you be able to unless you work
at this establishment. But we have before
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the renovation started where I work at
the Coolist Corner Theater, there was like
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you can walk up this emergency exit
staircase and like up to the roof.
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It's not secure at all. But
I found something that was all your base
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or belonged to us, spray painted
Oh my goodness of yeah, which I
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was just like Jesus that takes me
back, do you either, Yeah,
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Kevin, you're aware of this,
do you know this? Yeah? I
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feel like that they may have like
riped that after a while because there's just
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like too many, too many people. It would be like it'd be like
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if somebody spray painted the Dancing Baby
from Ally mcbeald, like the first gift
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ever or something like that. Oh, I mean LimeWire that was like a
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big thing to remember. Oh,
of course I do remember having having like
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friends over and it would just be
like, look at this twenty second clip
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I downloaded from South Park that took
me for like three hours to download.
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It'd be the worst quality. Or
yeah, we're downloading cam rips and like
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two parts that are like this big
on the fucking computer on the CRT,
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like watching watching a Uh. I
watched a work print of the remake of
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Willard on lime Wire. I remember
that, and it was like the R
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rated version before they cut it down
and they never released the R rated version.
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Yeah, this connects to our earlier
conversation, right, I know.
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Yeah, I watched movies like that
in my classic iPod, which was like,
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oh I did too, It's crazy, like and I use LimeWire for
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the same things. They only occasionally
gave my family computer a virus where I
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was just like, I want this
song by him, and then it would
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be like oh oh dear delete,
like yeah, oh oh here it is
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like yeah, I do remember like
having to go to bed at a certain
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time, but having episodes of Californication
on my iPod Classic and watching those,
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or like I remember like the Sunday
after super Bad came out, I was
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like, where's the cam rip?
I gotta watch that. So I like
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stayed up until like one am until
it until it leaked and put it on
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my iPod Classic and watched it.
I Oh god, I think the only
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cam rap I watched and then I
never did it again was Hannibal Rising.
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I don't know why. I was
like, I was like, it came
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out around the time I was finally
allowed to watch those movies, and I
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was just like I have to know
because I was too young to be able
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to see it in theaters and my
parents don't even like Silence of the Lamb,
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so I just this is the way. And then I was just like,
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oh, well, this sucks,
but the movie also is uhh okay,
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yeah it's fine. It was I
mean, it was the thing.
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I was like, I was eleven
or twelve, and the fact that I
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could download movies, it was like
I didn't care what it looked like.
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The fact that I had it was
incredible. Did I download a cam rip
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of swimthan and like every single one
I downloaded would corrupt at fifteen minutes in,
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and I was pissed off and I
had to wait until the DVD came
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out to finally watch it. Yes, wait, wait, swim Fan is
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like two thousand and two, you
were no, really, oh my god,
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you were? Yeah. I remember
seeing that. Yeah, I remember
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seeing that trailer. Was stupefied by
disturbed and I was just like I cannot
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wait and like trying to pressure on
my brother and he's like, I don't
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want to see that. That looks
dumb, and I'm like, please,
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we have to go see it.
I remember, like, I remember the
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date the DVD was going to come
out, and I was like anticipating it
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and I watched it. I was
like, did not disappoint? Yes,
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ten out of ten. Welcome to
Almost Major, a podcast where we talk
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about many major studios and the films
they released. We are still on Artisan
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and today we were talking about Startup
dot Com, a documentary that released May
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eleventh one in the US. My
name is Kevin Tutor. I'm here with
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Brydon Doyle Hello, and Charlie Nash
Hello. Like I said, we were
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talking about startup dot com. This
also premiered at Sundance January two thousand and
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one. It opened May eleventh,
like I said, in one theater and
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expanded up to fifty theaters opening weekend
and made sixteen thousand dollars at domestic gross
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of one two point two million in
an overall gross of one point eight million.
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Now, this came out about three
weeks after Center of the World,
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so some of these top five movies
have an overlap. But top five films
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this week in the box office was
The Mummy Returns, A Night's Tale,
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Bridget Jones Diary, Along Came a
Spider, So both of those are the
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same. Which the fact that this
is the sixth week that Along Came a
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Spider is out and it's still number
four the box office. That's pretty wild
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and driven. I believe the stallone
Driving movie. Yeah, yeah, it's
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Reddy Harlan who directed that. If
that's right, that's right, right,
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Yeah, The Mummy Returns. I
watched over and over and over again.
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But I don't think I've seen that
movie in like twenty years. I remember.
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Wasn't there like an animated Mummy special? I think there was. I
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never saw it. I think I
remember renting that in the Maybe Mummy Returns
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were Scorpion King at the same time. I do not remember. I definitely
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watched The Scorpion King Morton once.
As I found this here, Kevin,
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it says The Mummy, also known
as The Mummy the Animated Series, is
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an American animated series produced by Universal
Cortoon Studios, based in the nineteen ninety
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nine film of the same name.
It was on Kids wb Uh premiered on
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September two thousand and one, and
it was ritoal to rename The Mummy Secrets
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of the Medgi for a second to
final season, which began on two thousand
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and three. Then it was canceled. This is I want to know what
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this is. This is what it
was. It was The Mummy Quest for
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the Lost Scroll was the feature length
adventure. If you can see that.
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Oh oh my god, yeah,
don't what yeah, yeah, but apparently
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yeah, the whole series is on
DVD. It lasted two fucking years.
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Holy shit, but only two seasons, so twenty six episodes. But regardless,
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that's that's pretty wild. And it's
the same cast that's like used in
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the series that's in this little movie
too, So I yeah, I'm sure
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it's just like retooled episodes that they
made into a movie. Gotcha. Yeah.
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Number one songs this week are the
same as the last episode. Jane
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Jackson was reigning Supreme for a while. Startup dot Com examines the current troubled
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state of the Internet Revolution, Well
it's not really current anymore, but in
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which inflated ideals and dreams of instant
wealth have been supplanted by harsh economical realities
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and broken promises. Grace with sensitive
storytelling and a dynamic, intimate cinema veritaste,
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the film also manages to personalize this
crisis with intensevely private views of the
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people involved. Googled just hitting that
word count? Directed by Janne new Jammy,
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is that what we said? It
was? Jehan new jem I think
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is how are you pronounce? How
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I looked up from filming like con
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Directed by Jahann new Jem directed by
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there was nothing prior to this.
This is our first documentary. After this,
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she did a Control Room in two
thousand and four. In The Great
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Hack in twenty nineteen. It's also
co directed by Chris he Gidis Hejedice Chris
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Hejudice. Prior to this, she
did The war Room in nineteen eighty three
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and Jimmy plays Monteria in nineteen eighty
six. After this, Unlocking the Cage
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in twenty sixteen, she was also
married to Da Pennybacker, so that's how
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The war Room is also co directed
by him as well. Before we get
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in, there's no really starring.
There's two people involved, which I'll get
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into once we get into the plot. Khalil and uh, what's the other
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guy's name? What's the named Tom? Tom Tom Herman. Yeah, involves
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Khalil and Tom and we'll get more
into it in a little bit, but
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uh, quick trivia. This was
edited down from over four hundred hours of
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footage, so that must have been
fun. Khalil Tusman was convicted of fraud
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in twenty fifteen based on fraudulent accounting
practices for a separate company after these events.
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That's fun new. Jem, the
videographer and producer and director, began
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the project when she was in the
when she was the roommate of a documentary
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documentary principal character Khalil. She was
previously a producer at MTV, so she
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was roommates with the guy, and
then I guess that's how it all started.
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The competitor who is donning the gov
works dot com cat, Brian or
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Monday off easygov dot Com, died
in a house fire six days before the
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movie premiered at Sundance. So,
oh my gosh. Yeah, he seems
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like a nice guy in the movie. I mean like he's just like saying,
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I don't know what I did to
freak everyone out? Why is everyone
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mean so suspicious? Finance? Yeah, we have a new CEO. He
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has recently left both in sax.
I've known Tom since we were fifteen.
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I love him. He and I
have built this company together. Thank you
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Clail for leading us here. The
cash alone is a sun of money that
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I wouldn't know what to do with. You got to think fifteen million bucks
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from them may feel fun. You're
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can't believe that you came in here
just out of your goodwill and curiosity.
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You got to get to know me. Then they're using our language, they're
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using our ideas. Khalil Tusman,
the co founder in the CEO of gov
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works dot Com. Tito swears that
he had the name the like a business
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card. I told him that he
should consider a job with us. A
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record setting bad day on wolf Streek
Friday, the fourteenth of April two thousand.
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We're fixing because there are problems,
because it's not going to do everything
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that we wanted to do for the
future. Our site is not as as
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our competitor sidey. We're co CEOs
and CEOs. As they try to consolidate
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leadership, I become more and more
of a problem. This letter is a
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request for termination. Doesn't trust me, it doesn't trust me. Initial thoughts,
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I'll go, it's it's uh,
it's all right, I guess it's
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it's what is it? It's like
an hour forty five and it definitely starts
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to drag it points. But what
I really enjoy is like the start in
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the end, the start of just
like really getting to know these two guys
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and what they're trying to do,
and like there's a really great scene when
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they're at like a food place and
they're just asking people like, what would
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you think of a website called gov
works? Okay? But what would you
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think about if it was called this? And they're just like, okay,
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but say I'm talking to you right
now, and I'm like, hey,
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what do you do? Oh?
I work for god Works And they're like,
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what is that? But what if
we said, oh, I worked
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for this place? Now, what
would you think of that type thing?
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I thought that was pretty neat.
And then the ending or it just shows
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the everything just falling about about gov
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kind of like that as well.
But I mean I do like that it's
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all footage from this and it's not
like a talking head documentary and whatnot.
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So it's like like the dot com
bubble is actually happening during the making of
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this. So that's really nice to
see that. But it feels like they
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don't nail that down enough, just
like how big of a deal that is.
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It's just the guys are not very
interesting enough to really follow. But
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the idea of it I'm kind of
down for. But yeah, it was
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perfectly whatever right down the middle.
But I also do like that it saw
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it on video, so that gives
it a little bit of an edge.
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But Brighton, what did you think? Yeah, so I think I like
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this a little bit better than both
of you. That's totally fine. I
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do think it takes a little while
to get going. There's like some stuff
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at the beginning that like they that
like the movie is trying to do,
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where like it is kind of like
this jokiness where they're talking about like all
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the different kinds of licenses that you
can have, and then like there's these
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kind of like punchlines that they try
to have editing, where like they're saying
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you can like go to a town
hall meeting and you see footage of a
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town hall media and then like there's
like a delayed sort of punchline, so
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you could go to a town hall
meeting without your pants on or something.
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a weird like the way it's edited,
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where like Texas like sort of scrolling
across the screen at like a very deliberate
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pace to set up these punchlines.
It's like one thing that they do that
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like they never use in the rest
of the movie, and it's like just
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kind of it kind of feels out
of place in the rest of the movie,
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and some of the montages with like
the music, like there's there's like
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some of some of the Eric choices
are really oh there's like okay, yeah,
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looking. There was like a montage
with them going to meetings and the
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lyrics are like money, that's what
I want and it's like okay, like
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oh yeah, that that weird cover
of that song. Yeah, yeah.
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Some some of those on the note
touches are a little annoying. But I
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do think the movie does really get
going when it gets into sort of like
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the it almost like takes some like
sort of a cringe comedy vibe where like
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the the khalilitosmen and Tom Herman are
just like getting themselves into these situations that
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they sort of like become very flustered
by because they don't really know what they're
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doing. I mean, the scene
like and I think it's like how it's
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filmed to and edited, where like
these like nice little tense set pieces where
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like just kind of thinking, oh
my gosh, they're gonna like say and
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do the wrong thing, like a
meeting when they go to where is it.
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Like they're at a boardroom and they're
trying to get like funding. They
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have like the papers for like signing
the terms, and they want to get
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ahold of their lawyer and then only
have like an hour to sign the papers,
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but they can't like they can't get
a hold of their layer because they
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get a hold of the receptionist and
like and like the movie like it's like
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cutting between like them like you know, freaking out and like you know close
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like oh my computer blew up and
or anything. Oh yeah, yeah,
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And then like it's counting between that
and like the clock ticking, and then
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at one point, like Tom Herman
is like saying, oh, well,
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you know, I'm worried about these
guys. Get to be nice. You're
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gonna like screw later on, And
just as he's finishing out that complaint,
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it cuts to like the guy who
they're about to meet with like walking into
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the room, and it's like,
oh my gosh, like you're kind of
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blowing it and everything. But it's
so I really like that and the whole
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bit too, where they're the third
founder that they bring in who's not showing
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up to meetings. There's like a
whole scene where they're trying to like offer
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him like good prices, like to
buy him out, and you're mostly just
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listening to their half of the conversation, and you could tell by like the
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law and pauses that the negotiations not
going well or like just saying why can't
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we like meet down the middle and
then like there's like a law pause and
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it's like, okay, you want
eight hundred thousand, why can we meet
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down the middle? And then it's
like law posit. It's like, okay,
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we'll give you seven hundred thousand dollars. And it's maybe they come to
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the scene from it when I was
like going up my notes and maybe think
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of the scene a Bad Stanta where
they're negotiating with journey Back. They're saying
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like, all right, we'll offer
you like a third. It's like half
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half thirty five percent, I mean
half. It's it's so funny. But
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yeah, So the movie's really good
with that kind of those. It has
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a lot of those kind of scenes
that I really like. I think ultimately
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the message that goes towards at the
end where it's like terms out you should
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like value friendships over business and anything
business matters and anything. It's like I
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found that a little bit trite and
like especially like you know, the idea
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of like them like driving away from
the business and like they're driving out into
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the wilderness, you know, getting
away from the city and the technology and
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everything. It's like, Okay,
that's like a little corny to me.
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But overall I did like it,
and I do think it's a pretty like
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you said, like you know,
it's at a different down from so much
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footage and potentially the subject matter could
be very dry, but I think the
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way it's all cut together it is
there is an immediacy from the DV camera
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camera work, and also like the
way the punchiness that the editing really does
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like make make for like a series
of really compelling like set pieces as they're
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just like as their company is like
slowly imploding. But yeah, no,
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I thought this was totally solid.
I don't love this movie, but I
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thought it was like perfectly engaging for
like the runtime right, And we said
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on a twenty four hour Woman episode
that this is the that was the only
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woman the directed woman directed movie that
we're going to cover. But I guess
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I just didn't look who the directors
were of this whenever, so I didn't
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know. But yeah, both both
the directors of this are women. So
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we got three yay, yeah,
out of like thirty five. But Charlie,
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what are your thoughts? Yeah,
I'm kind of in the middle with
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like, I'm more on your side, I guess. Kevin, I thought
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it was fine. I think,
like Center of the World, it must
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have been a fascinating film to see
during the time of its release because I'm
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just gonna leave my cards on the
table. I'm not smart when it comes
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to this type of stuff with the
Internet and like business protocols and stuff like
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that. I did think it was
interesting. As you said, Brighton is
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like a cringe comedy about, you
know, balancing personal relationships with business.
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There's also something going on with the
way that these two men and their relationship
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matter to each other and how they
shut all the women out. I mean,
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there's it's interesting to me. I
mean I couldn't help but think of
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this and how Tom has you know, I'm assuming that his wife is not
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white because the daughter that do we
know if it was like I think there's
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a scene where you see his wife
or girlfriend or something like that. Yeah,
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I forget because it starts with him
like combing his daughter's hair and the
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daughter's like crying, and he's kind
of like she's given a great performance and
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it and I had a weird mixed
thing to this where it was like,
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well, she's too young to like
understand what consent is for this, but
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also like it makes the point of
the movie where it's like life is hard
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and you're just gonna have to deal
with this, But like it was a
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weird thing where all of the footage
of his daughter is kind of just her
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being upset in a way. Thing. Yeah, what's interesting to me is
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like it seems like that's almost like
he's like talking about like, well,
406
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.599
life is tough. Life is tough, babe, I think is one of
407
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.240
the lines that he has, and
it almost seems like especially when you hear
408
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:12.960
like how much Koldolposman is talking throughout
the movie, where he's like talking about
409
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.559
being a hard ass and everything makes
you think like that is maybe an attitude
410
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:18.720
is wrapped off on Tom Herman,
and then like by the end of the
411
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.279
movie he's like I'm not that guy. I don't want to be that guy.
412
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:23.240
I don't like I don't want to
be that guy at all, and
413
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:26.839
it's also interesting. I mean,
I could not help but think about and
414
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:32.359
I say this as a white person, there's all sorts of things about race
415
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:36.200
in this movie that aren't even being
commented on that are like kind of interesting
416
00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:38.000
to me. Where he's the one
being like life is hard, life is
417
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:42.759
hard, and then you know all
these scenes of like him disappointing his daughter,
418
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.759
whether it's brushing her hair or telling
her she's not gonna be there for
419
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:52.680
the job, and then he gets
like go and then also by clail or
420
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:56.880
I'm so sorry, I'm but his
name just like just like the white just
421
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:59.359
like the white guy who's like,
I don't know how to pronounce this.
422
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:06.160
Yeah, I thought certain things like
that were interesting. I don't understand,
423
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:08.960
like, and this is just my
own stupidity. This is not the movie's
424
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:14.559
fault. I don't understand the way
like economics worked in terms of the Internet
425
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:18.440
and startup businesses during this time.
And even I mean we talked about this
426
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:21.200
a little bit where I was just
kind of like, what does the job
427
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:26.720
deal with? Exactly like I don't
fully understand what this deals with, but
428
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:32.160
I do think that it is an
interesting portrait of these two people who are
429
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:38.599
entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs who are so invested
this an idea, and I mean Khaleal
430
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:44.640
like left Goldman Sachs to pursue this, which I think is something that is
431
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:49.400
like even more like that was notable
back then and now even with what we
432
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:52.559
know about Goldman Sacks now, like
it's just like, oh wow, even
433
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:57.519
back then, holy shit. And
I do think the documentary does make an
434
00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:03.680
interesting point of as you mentioned Brighton, it's not a film with a It
435
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.640
introduces that kind of stuff with the
text of like what if you could do
436
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.119
this and that, and then that
doesn't really get followed through. It isn't
437
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:18.880
It's interesting how it doesn't really provide
a narrative, a cohesive narrative through line
438
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:22.759
in terms of like trying to be
biased. Obviously all documentaries are biased.
439
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:26.799
Whatever story you're telling, you're gonna
be telling it through some sort of lens,
440
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.359
but it is trying to be as
factual as possible. And I couldn't
441
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.759
help but think of I don't know
if this is true, but it felt
442
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:36.920
like they were starting to make one
movie and then it ended up being a
443
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.400
completely different movie and not the one
they were intentionally trying to. Like,
444
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.720
I don't think that the people making
this movie were like, We're gonna watch
445
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:49.240
these two people fail, you know
what I mean, and that's kind of
446
00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:56.880
fascinating to watch. But I do
think that the interpersonal relationships that they have
447
00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.359
with each other, first with the
women and then with the each other,
448
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:04.440
like allthough, that was the stuff
that interested me most as opposed to like
449
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:10.359
these business meetings where I'm just gonna
lead make you know, I'm just gonna
450
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:18.920
admit it, like I didn't fully
understand what the uh economical or business standpoints
451
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.400
were for every conversation they were having. I've also had a weird week,
452
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:25.480
so I just want to mention that
right out of the blue, like I
453
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:27.759
it was hard for me to focus
on this stuff just to do to having
454
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:33.079
a weird week. And I apologize
if I ever seemed stupid in this episode,
455
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.039
but I did think that the the
interpersonal drama was what kind of hooked
456
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:42.920
me and kept me engaged throughout.
Wouldn't say this is something that I personally
457
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:48.160
enjoyed watching at this moment in time, but as a time capsule, if
458
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:53.519
you wanted to see how things were
and how things are now, They're both
459
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.799
different and not so different, if
that makes any sense, which I thank
460
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:04.279
yeah Valley. Not a lot has
changed now, yeah yeah, but yeah,
461
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:07.680
yeah, I mean it's it's definitely
just I mean, one of the
462
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.839
directors was roommates with Khalil, and
it was just like, oh, yeah,
463
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.160
you're gonna start it up this thing. Yeah, sure. And then
464
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:17.920
it becomes more about the dot com
bubble, which all of that happens,
465
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:23.039
and so many dot coms around that
time were just trying so much and they're
466
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:28.200
putting so much venture capital into anything
that has a dot com at the end
467
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:34.319
of it, until eventually just everything
dies, like and then then it shows
468
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:37.240
that and then it's then it becomes
a movie about friends falling apart because of
469
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:43.160
that and all of that. But
yeah, it's it's it's a thing of
470
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:46.039
it didn't matter what they were doing. The fact that they were working on
471
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:51.640
a website that was bound to be
making money was enough for them to get
472
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:53.279
the foot in the door. And
then that was the reason why the dot
473
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:58.440
com bubble eventually happened. Is just
giving out money to anything because people didn't
474
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.559
understand that, you know, just
because it's on the Internet and something new,
475
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:05.920
it doesn't mean it's going to last, so it does delve into that.
476
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.559
It's just not as much as I
wish. But also, like I
477
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:13.519
said, it's not a documentary a
few years down the road that's going to
478
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:15.039
be talking about the dot com bubble. It's just like they knew as much
479
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:19.240
as what was happening at the time. You know, twenty years later,
480
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.960
we could do it a lot differently, of course, because we have a
481
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:27.759
lot more information about the dot com
bubble now. But yeah, go into
482
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:32.200
the didn't really find an actual plot
description, but we'll fill into it,
483
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:38.839
but just more on what the basic
plot outline was. But Khalil Tussman and
484
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:43.160
Tom Herman have had a dream since
they became friends at the age of fifteen,
485
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.920
get rich by developing their own dot
com company and in some aspects of
486
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:52.000
computer technology interface. Now in their
late twenties, they have now come up
487
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.960
with the idea they believe to make
them riches, namely, as Tom refers
488
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:59.799
to it, parking tickets. The
company will be the online revenue collection interface
489
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:05.880
for municipal governments govworks. Dot Com
come came into existence in May nineteen ninety
490
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:09.280
nine with only an idea. The
process of building the business focuses on obtaining
491
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:14.480
venture capital based solely on the idea, with the actual mechanics of the website
492
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:19.000
seemingly almost an afterthought, or at
least one left primarily to the higher help,
493
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:21.920
which it gets into this in the
movie where they're just like, the
494
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:23.519
website isn't working. How is it
not gonna work? And it's just like,
495
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:27.440
oh, yeah, you didn't even
think about, like if the website
496
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:30.199
would work, like the main thing
that you should be thinking about. And
497
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:35.360
it's so funny. Yeah, when
they're trying to like look up the ask
498
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.599
functionality or something like that, like
they're saying, like, oh, yeah,
499
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:39.360
when we type in park, we
get like the names of someone's we
500
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:44.079
get the results of like someone's name
park at not in Maine tickets. It's
501
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:45.039
like, all right, well,
while we type in like alternately, will
502
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:49.239
type in speed, it's like,
damn, it brings up like doctor Stevens
503
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:53.039
Speed or something like that. Or
you were just like we were looking at
504
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:57.679
May and it just brought up the
month or something like that. Yeah,
505
00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:00.559
yeah, that's like you know,
for me, Like part of the problem
506
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:05.280
is like with this movie is like
the movie itself maybe doesn't do the best
507
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.960
job of explaining what exactly their idea
is, like just like kind of in
508
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:12.280
a clean, you know, concise
definition. But also I think part of
509
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:14.599
it comes from like the fact that
these guys don't really know what they're doing.
510
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:16.800
I mean, there's nothing scene in
the met early on where Tom like
511
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:21.639
starts talking about like you know,
getting stuff on a CD bram and like
512
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:23.239
talking about talking about digital cameras,
and then like a customer Khalil and the
513
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.840
actually he's like, I don't want
to talk about like digital cameras and shit,
514
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.679
that's not what the site's about or
whatever, like right, Yeah,
515
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.239
then they have that meeting where he's
just like he's screaming about this in the
516
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:36.400
office and he's trying to rip open
a package and whatnot, and he calls
517
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:37.960
up the guy and it's just like, yeah, we need to have a
518
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:42.840
conversation about this because we're having different
things that we're saying to different people and
519
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.199
people aren't going to understand. And
then he goes to the meeting and he's
520
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:49.079
just like, so I called this
meeting because we're kind of having different things,
521
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:51.320
and the guy is just like,
yeah, I don't think we need
522
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:55.280
to talk about that anymore. He's
like okay, just completely completely different type
523
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.519
of guys once they're in a room
or they're on the phone or whatever.
524
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:05.559
That was interesting and also in relation
to the people they have interpersonal relationships with
525
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:09.119
who are either involved in the site
or not involved in the site, because
526
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:15.440
Khalil especially goes through multiple partners.
I'm assuming like I think it's too uh
527
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:21.239
Dora who is working like with them, and then another girlfriend that I we
528
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:23.480
meet, but we I don't know
if we remember her name. I think
529
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:27.920
she was the one that like he's
like working on an email and went on.
530
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:30.920
She was just like really pissed off
and she's like I'm about to leave
531
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:37.000
you. At one point he's like
ah whatever, yeah, emails just like
532
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:39.039
sorry go ahead, no, no, no, you brandon your no.
533
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:42.760
I just know it was Wan like
kind of like you like Cleil almost ends
534
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.760
up with like a joke. He's
like she's mad. Yeah, he's like
535
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.360
playing it off. And I do
like how she's introduced where it's like,
536
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.239
oh, I guess like his previous
girlfriend just like wasn't working with him,
537
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.760
like you know, doesn't that that
relationship did not work out. I like
538
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:58.840
how it's just kind of like she's
a new girlfriend I promptly introduced. I
539
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:02.599
like they like that. Yeah,
there's a weird thing where I mean Tom's
540
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:07.440
parents we don't know, well,
we we get to know both of their
541
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:13.480
parents. But Khalil has that interesting
scene where at first the girlfriend's talking to
542
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:16.239
the camera about like, well,
if he gets a dog and names the
543
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:21.840
dog, maybe you'll have a better
relationship with him, because like you know,
544
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.039
he's he's named the dog and stuff
like that, and then get out
545
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:30.840
and it kind of cuts to her
him Khalil talking to his mom and we
546
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:34.800
don't know what time it is either, and he's just kind of like,
547
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.320
mom, like I don't know if
I'm attracted to her or not, Like
548
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:40.840
it goes back and forth. But
then like she's talking about like it's either
549
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:44.599
a child or a dog and I
don't want either. And then the mom's
550
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:46.440
like, well, why are you
calling me at one in the morning.
551
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:50.440
I could have been sleeping. And
then that's like, oh wow, this
552
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:54.639
is all sorts of weird, like
like you know, the cut into that
553
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:58.519
scene is so funny where it's the
girlfriend Dora talking about like, yeah,
554
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:01.480
these guys are acting like grown suits
and anything, but the yeah, and
555
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:05.199
then hard cut to like Khalil like
lion eyes, but she's like, mom,
556
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:09.280
I'm in the zone. Yeah.
The way that's cut into so like
557
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:14.639
maybe yeah that that is the thing
is that half half of the time during
558
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:16.360
this movie was like I don't know
what they're talking about. And then but
559
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:19.960
then most of the time they don't
know what they're talking about. And they
560
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:25.400
also nobody in their direct orbit like
familial or friendship wise, knows entirely what
561
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:30.400
they're talking about, which is kind
of interesting. Yeah, And just like
562
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.039
the I don't know a lot of
the company too, just like comes from
563
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:37.000
like the mantropostering. I love this
scene where like whenever, like they're lifting
564
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:39.199
weights, like they're trying to let
you know, approve themselves to each other,
565
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:44.679
the guy who they're trying to buy
the company, and Khalil's like saying
566
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:46.039
like just like lifting weights or what
this other guy and he says like,
567
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:49.800
you know, I think maybe you
should take a step out of outside yourself.
568
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:52.280
I know it's not your style or
whatever. Just like the passive aggression
569
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:53.880
that like it's coming through like in
all these interactions, Like that's the stuff
570
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:58.480
that is a highlight for me,
where it is like a stuff well and
571
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.480
even after like an we might be
jumping a little bit ahead, but when
572
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:06.280
you find out Tom leaves and then
it like cuts to like him like ugh,
573
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:09.239
I need I need someone to you
know, to press me or something
574
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:14.000
like that when he's bench pressing and
it has gone from like two hundred people
575
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:19.119
to like fifty or something. Yeah, it's like it's like six months later,
576
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.119
Yeah, employees fifty, which they've
been keeping track of, like you
577
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.679
know, it's like from yeah,
fifties, like jeez, yeah, yeah.
578
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:30.119
Regardless of the strength of the idea
itself and raising this capital, and
579
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:34.719
another initial problem they face is what
they see as a non committed, non
580
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:38.239
commitment from the third partner, Khalil's
friend, and in early two thousand they
581
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:42.079
do manage to go live with their
product to what seems to be a promising
582
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.559
in lucrative future. However, the
success of the business is fraught with many
583
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.920
obstacles, including the competition, who
may have a better product or one introduced
584
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:53.239
in the marketplace earlier, the whims
of the economy, especially as it concerns
585
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:58.400
the equity market, and the fact
that the business has few assets beyond intellectual
586
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:01.679
capital. In addition, their personal
focuses solely on the business, which places
587
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:07.039
a strain on their personal relationships,
Tom with his younger daughter and Khalil with
588
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:09.599
his girlfriend Dora. Their relationships with
each other is also tested, as it
589
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:15.039
is and always was, an inequitable
one, Khalil being the self admitted alpha
590
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:20.800
dog, and one which may be
you served by business concerns. The people
591
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:23.800
that came in, Yeah, the
scenes with the competition, both of the
592
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:28.880
competition or like guy comes in and
it's just like they're just like, oh,
593
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:30.239
man, I don't know if we
won't really want to talk to you,
594
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:32.360
or I don't know why you're doing
this for us. He's like,
595
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:36.559
I just like being nice. You
guys don't know who I am, so
596
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:39.039
I don't know why you're assuming that
I'm here to be a shit Like that
597
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:42.039
was pretty funny. Yeah, the
one guy that says, like, where's
598
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:45.159
the bug and he's like saying okay, like he's like complimence the hats and
599
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:49.519
they're just like trying so hard to
be polite. It's yeah, it's so
600
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:54.880
sad. But also yeah, like
with the Tom like sort of straining against
601
00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:59.480
like you know, the importance of
the company, you know, like juggling
602
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:01.480
the importance of like the business and
family. I mean, it's so weird
603
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:06.079
when like they had the birthday celebration
scene and it's like they're like apploting for
604
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:07.480
the company, and then like they
asked, like, wait, Tom Emano,
605
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:09.719
how old are you? It's like
twenty eight. It's like it's revealed,
606
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:13.719
Oh, this is his birthday celebration, but it's like tied in with
607
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:17.000
like the company being celebrated. It's
like and like the company logos in the
608
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back, and it's just like,
I don't know if I want to be
609
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celebrating my birthday at work. Like
they're like having like that like the company's
610
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:29.559
like importance overshadowing the fact that like
I'm turning twenty eight, Like that's not
611
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:30.800
something I would want to happen,
and like, but I don't know.
612
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:35.000
I thought that was just like kind
of a funny scene. But yeah,
613
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:40.719
all of their celebrations feel very odd, like and then there's that one scene
614
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:45.000
where Khalil was teaching everybody to say
something in Spanish and they're just like,
615
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:49.920
okay, but use your hands a
lot and uh really scream at it and
616
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.400
whatnot. And he's like all right, then go like this and then the
617
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:54.840
woman's just like or I forget who
says it, but the woman's just either
618
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:57.760
a woman or Clue was like,
no, no, no, don't don't
619
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use the fist. That's a symbol
for the Nazi Party. We shouldn't do
620
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:02.119
that. And I was like,
is that a symbol for the Nazi Party
621
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:07.800
a fist? I don't know,
but yeah, that it just shows the
622
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:14.000
fakeness behind all the celebrations because literally
there's a part where they have to amplify
623
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:17.199
themselves of how excited they are for
a website that isn't even made yet and
624
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:22.840
whenever it goes online is not actually
working. So it's pretty funny. I'm
625
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:27.360
sorry for jumping in and potentially having
to force you to edit this, Kevin.
626
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.519
Did we tell you about the fact
that they're they talked to Bill Clinton
627
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:35.000
yet? No, that's a that's
a funny cut to just a span clip.
628
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.840
They talked to Bill Clinton before this
thing, Yeah, and like Khalil
629
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:42.599
like offered him like a business card
and said like, yeah, like you
630
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:44.440
know, come to like when you
come to New York, you should get
631
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:46.000
a job with us. And it's
like, are you joking? Like do
632
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.599
you hear like a lot of like
laughter from the reporter. It's like I
633
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:54.199
can't tell. Yeah, it seems
like I think that he he's so confident.
634
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:57.599
He's like, you know, if
Hillary wins, you know, like
635
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:00.159
you can come on over. And
I'm like, what the how do we
636
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:04.159
get from where we are now to
you meeting with Bill Clinton? Like what?
637
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.840
Yeah? Oh? And it's really
uncomfortable too when they showed the footage
638
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:09.800
of that meeting, where like Khalil
was like saying, like I'm sitting next
639
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:13.760
to the dean of like this school
that I was gonna go to but didn't
640
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:15.920
end up going too, And you
can hear Bill Clinton like just cackling,
641
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:20.000
and it's like he lasts for so
long. It's like, okay, you're
642
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:22.760
laughing. Like I'm like thinking,
oh, that had to have like rubbed
643
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:28.159
him the wrong way, like laughing
at him basically yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
644
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.599
There's a there's a c Span clip
and then there's a clip of Khalil
645
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:36.280
on CNN like CNN Business or something
like that, which is like the most
646
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:42.079
disoriented anything I could watch on television, where there's like two lines of ticker
647
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.880
just all the stocks just piling through
them, Like how can anybody watch this?
648
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.719
But yeah, the Sea Span clip
is pretty pretty wild. I also
649
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:53.239
love the clip where it's a news
report of the Website's like one website is
650
00:43:53.239 --> 00:44:00.000
pitching away to keep the police at
bay. Sort of just the concept of
651
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:04.639
the website is that's like kind of
a funny running joke throughout the whole thing,
652
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.199
or just like a little joke that
they Oh, yeah, there's a
653
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.519
there's a one clip where like a
guy it's just like, oh, I
654
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:14.159
need to need to pay my uh
something or another. It's like, you're
655
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.760
not gonna wait for the website to
launch to pay it on the actual website,
656
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:21.039
and he's like nah, It's just
like it's like even they don't even
657
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.519
have confidence in the website. It's
just like, which which makes sense once
658
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:29.760
you go down the timeline of Khalil
fucking frauding people and whatnot. It's just
659
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:31.480
like, yeah, this is this
is where he gets a start of like
660
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:37.320
I'm just gonna get sixty million dollars
and then whatever happens happened. Oh well,
661
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:39.440
it's like even even after it doesn't
make any money, he's able to
662
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:44.039
sell it off and still make millions. Yeah, off of an idea that
663
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:49.079
was never probably gonna happen to begin
with. Honestly, I don't ever understand
664
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:53.159
how anyone could just have the the
confidence to be like, I'm gonna leave
665
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:59.760
my job at Goldman Sacks and then
just do this half baked thing. Not
666
00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:01.920
like ID ever worked for gold min
Sex in the first place, Jesus Christ.
667
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:07.480
But it's just it is kind of
like I will say, I knew
668
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:09.320
what the general premise was, and
then when the movie started, it was
669
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:13.440
like I'm leaving here. I'm like, oh, well he must be he
670
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:20.239
must have something under wraps. No. No, And it's so funny because
671
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:22.840
I doubt working in Golden and Sex. He's just like, oh, I
672
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:24.559
know, I know about the Internet. I'm gonna do this. It's just
673
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:28.400
like, no, I have another
thing that I can fuck around and make
674
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.480
money and not care about what happens
with it. That type of thing.
675
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:34.840
Well, that's the interesting Yeah,
I mean Tom like talking about like,
676
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:36.840
well, you know, even if
this doesn't work out, we still have
677
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:38.360
like, you know, jobs like
that we can go to and like you
678
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:42.599
know, families and anything like it's
we could just move on to better things.
679
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:45.159
And like Quil's like, no,
I need to win this. So
680
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:50.119
it's like, Okay, I guess
my one issue I have, and I
681
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:54.199
brought it up earlier, is just
the daughter being there all the time.
682
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:59.960
Tom's daughter being there all the time
for kind of emotional manipulation in terms of
683
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:06.079
documentary ethics, like she's always there
when the plot serves it, for defining
684
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:12.039
his arc in terms of like life
is hard, and you will see throughout
685
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:16.559
the documentary that my life is hard. Therefore it must be perceived through my
686
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:22.199
daughter's angst, whether it's combing her
hair or not spending time with her,
687
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.400
or even a pivotal scene in the
third act where Tom has been let go
688
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:32.599
and he's having the conversation with Khalil
like I don't know why you wanted to
689
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:36.599
shove me out, and then it's
like she's not even in the frame,
690
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:43.119
but you hear her like getting upset. There's something about that that really kind
691
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.239
of irked me a little bit.
I have to be honest, like just
692
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:50.519
in terms of like, no,
we're not being a manipulative documentary. We're
693
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.199
like showing exactly how the events played
out. And it's like, well,
694
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:57.360
why are you showing all the events
where she happened to be right? For
695
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:02.199
all the emotional beats that kind of
uh just you know, like she's a
696
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:07.760
child, she doesn't really know what's
going on. You know, like I
697
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:09.679
don't know. It's definitely that it's
I guess it's the thing of like,
698
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:14.360
oh, Khalil, we have conversations
with his mom and his girlfriends or whatnot,
699
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:15.840
but with Tom, it's just like, well, the only thing we
700
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:20.360
got is his daughter. It's like
we got to put it in somewhere and
701
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:23.800
his parents. But you do I
liked that scene with his parents. I
702
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:30.480
mean it's very on the nose.
I mean it literally smells about the theme
703
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:34.199
of the movie. It's like business, it's not as important as preserving relationship.
704
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.159
But like where is his partner?
I mean they don't even answer,
705
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.079
Like I mean, is his partner
still with him? You you mentioned Brighton?
706
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:44.519
You think they only have five hundred
hours to deal with Charlie, Like
707
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.480
I don't know what, yes exactly
that where I'm just like they had all
708
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:53.199
this footage and they chose I don't
know, there's stuff about that where I'm
709
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:59.760
just like, John, excuse me. Tom's arc should be enough to convey
710
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:04.519
that, and instead they hit all
the beats with his daughter, who is
711
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:08.679
not even the same ethnicity as him, the kind of naming going. I
712
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:13.159
don't know, Like that's no,
I definitely get it. It's a fair
713
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:15.679
point. I honestly, just maybe
I just haven't thought about it as much
714
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:19.320
because like we only have like a
few scenes with the kids, so I
715
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:21.920
didn't really think about it all that
much. But I think now you mentioned
716
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:23.800
it, going back over in my
mind, I think you bring up about
717
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:28.199
a point that like, yeah,
well yeah, And it's also the thing
718
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:32.159
of you don't spend as much time
with Tom, Like Khalil is definitely the
719
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.719
the as this plot description says,
the self admitted alpha dog. So he's
720
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.840
the one going on TV and the
c SPAN and CNN and whatnot, and
721
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:44.719
he's the one that's kind of the
face of the company. And then you're
722
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.320
not seen as much as Tom.
So it's like his entire arc is not
723
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:53.519
not as given as much weight.
Do we have any final thoughts about startup
724
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:58.360
dot Com? Yeah, I don't
know. I feel like Khalil has comes
725
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:00.119
off a little bit badly when like
I don't know how much movie this movie,
726
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:04.320
how much movie, how much money
this movie costs to make, But
727
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:06.119
like at the end he says like, hey, if I turn out the
728
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:07.400
music on the radio, like that
means you have to pay royalties for it,
729
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:09.639
and they're like yes, And then
like he turns out the radio like
730
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:15.679
I phone, remember it's got asshole
moves dollars to pay for this air song,
731
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:21.320
Like that's I got a few funnel. Yeah, it's enjoyable enough.
732
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:25.159
It's definitely the time capsule of it
all might be saying that it's like kind
733
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:30.199
of interesting and whatnot. Like if
it was if it was like a twenty
734
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:35.400
twenty Netflix documentary about a Silicon valley
that came out today, a startup that
735
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:37.400
didn't work, it would be like, eh, who cares? That happens
736
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:43.280
every day. But I think the
added fact of even even the documentary if
737
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:45.920
it came out, then if it
came out in like two thousands step of
738
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:47.760
two thousand and one, it didn't
capture the dot com bubble, or at
739
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.599
least right in the middle of it, it would have just been kind of
740
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:54.280
whatever fodder. But being that it
does capture that, I feel like it's
741
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:59.360
you know, I don't really have
any documentaries around the time that is following
742
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:01.599
something that ends up capturing this moment. At the same time, that I
743
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:07.880
think is really cool. But if
you're interested in early early Internet talk and
744
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:12.679
especially about the dot com bubble,
there's better documentaries. But also you can
745
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:15.159
can't kind of go wrong. It's
pretty sure. It's on YouTube, so
746
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:29.679
check it out if you'd like.
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747
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