RE-CASTING James Cameron's Titanic in 2026!

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Hello, and welcome back finally after a little break to Unsinkable the Titanic Podcast.
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I'm, of course, Dr.
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L.A.
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Beatles.
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Um, some harumping you may hear in the background right now is uh quite appropriately Rose DeWitt Pockator Beatles, uh, our family's Chihuahua, named, of course, after the great heroine of James Cameron's 1997 masterpiece, Titanic, one of the great backbones of this podcast and of my life.
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Today, Pablo Ohana and I bring to you a great joy.
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We have we came up with the beautiful exercise of recasting Titanic for 2026 just for fun.
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Now, we're not suggesting Titanic be remade, not at all.
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We think it's a perfect movie, but it is really fun to go through these roles, talk about them, and talk about who else we think could do them now.
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And it also allows for some really fun conversations about film and acting and just kind of things we've watched.
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So I hope it brings you uh some joy and fun, whether you're like cleaning or working out or on the way to work, whatever you're doing.
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Um, please let us know what you think and please send along your recasting notions and I can include some more fun ones in future episodes.
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Uh, stick around because I did get a chance to uh throw a few from Instagram on for Thomas Andrews and Cal Hockley, because we talked about on Instagram um over at Unsinkable Pod a little bit in the past few days.
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So uh if you suggested uh something on there, you may get a shout out at the end of this episode.
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Uh in the meantime, thanks for being here as always.
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I've got a couple of other really exciting things coming down the pipeline.
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Um, we are at this point staying in audio format for the podcast.
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It's it's definitely a decision.
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Um, I, you know, I've toyed, posted a little bit on YouTube here and there.
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Um just have a felt comfortable making the leap uh to video podcasting.
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I'm old school.
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It's old school podcast, guys.
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And for right now, we're staying audio only.
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And I've heard from a lot of y'all that you like that.
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And that's kind of what old school, the heart of podcasting is.
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I probably would have thrown this one up on YouTube uh just for me and Pablo's reactions, but unfortunately we had uh some Zoom issues uh when we recorded, and that's why I didn't do this one.
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But um, when they are particularly fun or an interview where, you know, seeing the person um provides a lot of context.
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Occasionally I will do that.
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Um, what else?
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What else?
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I mean, I'm just gonna get you to this.
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Uh, if I think of anything else, I'll throw it at the end.
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Enjoy the recasting of 1997's Titanic.
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We've got some wild.
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There are some wild uh notions in here.
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Let me know what you think.
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This is just me zenning into the moment.
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Okay.
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Welcome to a very fun, uh crazy, strange episode of Unsinkable, in which Pablo and I are going to disassociate from any trials and tribulations in the real world of today to immerse ourselves in an exercise that I honestly can't believe we've never thought to do before.
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I think in my mind, I have done this kind of like in, you know, in the past, but I never thought to actually sit down and properly do it.
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So, Pablo, tell them what I'm talking about.
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What are what are we doing today?
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Well, the truth is that we're avoiding all of our um real life.
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Yeah.
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But the short the short answer is the short answer is that we are we are uh had um a very long midweek breakdown.
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No, well, yes, but um well yes, but that's neither here nor there.
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But the result of that, and the great news for you guys is the result of that is that we have decided we are going to recast James Cameron's 1997 Titanic.
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So the 97 film still happened as it as it did.
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What we are doing is recasting it today in 2026.
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So it is not necessarily, you know, we're not taking this seriously.
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This is not a remake, we're not pitching this, this is just fun.
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Who do we think would play Jack and Rose and so on?
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So that's that's how we've survived this week.
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Yeah.
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And we should, you know, yeah, caveat is we are we're by no means suggesting that the uh most perfect film ever made from only 1997, which is not that long ago, should be actually remade.
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We're not, I know I've gone on record saying that nobody should ever try to remake it, and I still believe that.
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Um, although, second caveat, if someone saw my list and said, you know, this is perfect, we're gonna do this, and you get to be producer, I will say yes.
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So because that will set up me and my children and any future great, great, great grandchildren for life.
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So, you know, just if any if any casting directors call and want my help, I might buckle and say yes.
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But uh joking aside, um, yeah, this is just for fun.
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We're not suggesting that James Cameron's masterpiece should be messed with in any way, in any real way.
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Yes, I agree.
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All right.
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So should we talk through any?
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We didn't really have many parameters.
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People are probably gonna wonder like what our parameters were.
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Um, I think for me, a big parameter was keeping with the spirit of the character from 1997, um, putting a fun new twist on it.
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But to me, like the ages needed to stay the same.
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You know, I didn't, I when I cast, I kept pretty close to what the ages were in '97.
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Yeah, we went back and forth, didn't we?
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But I think ultimately that's where we both landed.
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We have got at the end, there is gonna be a bit of a um, you know, if you think this is a breakdown, what you're gonna see at the end is where certainly I am looking at it and just thinking, I had a really long week, very clearly a very long week.
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So at the end, there will be like the brakes are off if you want to hear.
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Oh, there's definitely a couple I have that are like a literally a mental breakdown.
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Stick around for that.
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That's um a little teaser of some of the um insanity due to come.
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But other than that, yeah, it's kind of, you know, it's a little bit fun, but it, you know, as you say, like kind of similar ages for me.
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I was kind of looking at their previous work and whether they fit the profile.
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And um, you know, one of the things I was thinking about was of course that Kate and Leo are so massive now that it's hard to remember that actually back then they were not.
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Um I remember, I think I said that to you, like I remember watching a documentary where they were singing, um, Kathy Bates was the biggest star.
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That was like a real get for them.
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Whereas she was the biggest star in that film at the time.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I will say that's one thing that I tried to try to keep in the spirit of mostly.
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Um, but you know, full disclosure on a couple of the the smaller roles.
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They're obviously infinitely important, but you know, Thomas Andrews, William Murdoch.
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I'm so excited for that one.
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I've got great ones.
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I mean, full disclosure, um, I did not on those roles stick with like relative unknowns.
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I mean, obviously, those people were like literally unknowns.
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I did not stick with that because I just wanted to have some fun with it.
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And I was thinking in a true remake, it would be if it were to really happen, it would be such a cultural moment that they probably would be able to pull in some pretty big people to do it.
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So I kind of went with that sort of mindset on a couple of those, but I just couldn't resist.
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Um, but no other parameters.
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We didn't really talk a whole lot about rules.
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There aren't really a lot of rules.
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Um, and so I'm sure this This is hardly, as my dad pointed out last night when I was talking through it.
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This is hardly a serious exercise.
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My dad started suggesting like whether I swap the genders, and I was like, no, it needs to stay like within this realistic scenario.
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My dad was just like, right, because this like you guys recasting Titanic is a really This is really realistic.
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No, I mean, I guess you know, the other caveat is like obviously there's a ton of other interesting ways to do this.
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You could do gender swap, you could do um, you know, what Bridgerton did and do a period piece where there are people of all races and nationalities from you know, I mean, it's there's a lot of different ways to do this, especially like an inclusive manner.
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And so we do want to point that out.
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And we're not trying to be not inclusive, but I think we are just trying to stick with like the fun vibe of what these characters were in recast, um, you know, in some parameters.
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Um, a fun thing to do would be if anybody listening has their own list, feel free to share it on Instagram or send it along and we can repost it.
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I think this will get people uh thinking about this.
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And so I will genuinely be curious to see what other people's lists are after we um post ours.
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And I think when we post it on Instagram, we do need to do um, we need to design some squares um so that people can look at it in like list form too after they've listened.
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Um okay.
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So should we just jump in?
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Yeah.
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Okay, so we're gonna do we're gonna do Jack first.
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Um all right.
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So can you see my screen?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So this is my Jack Dawson.
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His name is Percy Hines White, and let me tell you why I'm a literal fucking genius.
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So about a year ago, I guess year and a half ago, on a plane, I watched a film called My Old Ass.
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And it's a film completely produced by Aubrey Plaza, who people will know from Parks and Wreck.
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Um, but she's a genius comedian and she's done a lot of uh serious roles as well.
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Too, she's a great actress.
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Um, the film is her playing an older version of a teenage self of hers, and through some weird uh magical realism, the older version and the younger version get to hang out together.
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And in the process of that, you meet her um sort of childhood love in her late teens, which is um Chad, played by Percy Hines White.
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I have never seen such a performance by someone so young.
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I think he was probably like 18 or 19 when he filmed this movie, where he just completely conveys this like love sick, but also like I'm an intelligent, functioning, wonderful person that you should get to know.
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And I have I'm actually like not full of drama, and I'm not going to be your like typical, like teenage love story, but like just pure, innocent, wonderful, like Chad.
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Like John watched the movie too, my husband.
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And so for weeks afterwards, we were like, Chad, oh my God, Chad, he's like the perfect manic, pixie dream boy, but also like intelligent, amazing performance.
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And then a few months later, I'm watching the Netflix show Wednesday with my kids, which is obviously the Jin Ortega-led uh reboot of the Addams Family that's really massively popular.
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And he is in season one of that show, also doing an incredible job at sort of a multifaceted character.
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And I won't give anything away because I know a lot of people haven't seen it yet that might watch it.
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Um, he is brooding, he can also be joyful, he has the face, he's young looking.
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There are all the, if you look him up, there's all these photos of him since he's gotten mildly famous that paparazzi have gone that he's like gotten that he's like, he looks like Leo in the 90s.
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He's like wearing a white shirt and some black pants and they got the long hair.
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This is, I am so proud of myself.
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This is Jack Dawson.
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He's got the lanky, he's got the lanky look, the brooding look, the jawline.
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He's an amazing actor.
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Anyway, I present to you my Jack Dawson, Percy Hines White.
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Okay.
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Okay, no, I can I can see it.
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I can see it.
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And actually, it's really funny because mine is very different to this.
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Like mine's quite a different type of thing.
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But that's the beauty of this.
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Yeah.
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So I'm quite excited.
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So mine is incredibly predictable.
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So if there are any Brits listening to this, you are gonna know exactly what I'm gonna say.
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Because I think this person fits very kind of um he fits the sort of um, he fits just the look.
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I think when you see him, you're gonna believe that this is Jack Dawson.
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So this is Kit Connor, who I'm sorry, if that image in particular does not give you Jack Dawson, I don't know what will.
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It's giving me 90s Leo for sure.
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This is this is what I'm saying.
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So now the I'm and the thing about Kit Connor is that he is like the thing at the moment in the UK because he's been in the show called Hot Stopper, which is kind of like exploded and it's absolutely huge.
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They've done three series, there's just been a film out like literally two weeks ago.
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Um, but I think what's interesting about Kit Connor is that he does have that same kind of vulnerability that you see in Jack, and that he has this ability to be both very confident and quite kind of attractive and sort of um free-spirited whilst also being very vulnerable and very able to switch into a sort of um kind of open and uh as I say, sort of vulnerable, um very young, very kind of um experienced, but a young type of experience.
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Like the kind of the kind of experiences you can only have when you're kind of 19, 20, 21, and you've not got your kind of full life experience.
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I think he manages to kind of bring that all together quite well, which is a very kind of Jack Dawson vibe.
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Um so yes, so there's this, and he um he is of course a very uh he's very in right now in the same place that I think uh Leo was with Romeo and Juliet, right?
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He has just done a couple of you know, big roles, not like A-list Hollywood roles, um, but big roles that have got him a lot of attention, a lot of eyeballs on him.
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Um he's obviously kind of got both the boys and girls swooning and you know, which is Yeah, I can see uh how old is he how old is he right now?
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Because I need to know if it's 22 right now.
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So he's he really.
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Okay, that's a little it's a little young for me to I I I feel like 25 is my cutoff for being allowed to say that someone's attractive now because I'm so old.
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I know.
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It's well, I mean, this it's getting a little bit of out of hand.
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Like, I mean, it's you know, it's it's I I'm in the same place as you, but it's it's difficult.
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Um Yeah, he's a duty.
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I think he's like he's very open faced, he's very unguarded.
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Um he's he can be very kind of um I don't know what the word is, I want to say like de-armored.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like sort of um able to to to get that across on camera.
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So this is that's you know well, I think that's I think both of our, I mean, they're actually quite similar in the sense that I think what we're we're trying to say, and they both have eyes, like both people we pick, they look very different in many ways, but they both have these eyes you can kind of see straight through, and they're able to do a lot of like eye acting, as cheesy as that sounds.
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Like that when you look in someone's eyes and that endearing, open, like you could absolutely get to know me by having one conversation with me.
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I feel like both of these have that vibe in their eyes.
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I think as well, there's another thing, which is that when Leo was cast, there was this idea that he had only played very kind of troubled characters in James Cameron.
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Yeah, like basketball diaries, yeah, Gilbert Grape.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So I think James Cameron was like, you know, this is gonna be a challenge for you because this person is very free-spirited, that he doesn't really have any major um sort of impediments.
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Well, that's why that's exactly why I picked mine.
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Because when I saw that performance in My Old Ass, which is the stupidest name for a movie, but not really.
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The movie's amazing.
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Anyone who hasn't seen it, I'm shocked it was not nominated for an Oscar a couple of years ago.
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So good.
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Um, but that's exactly what that character of Chad was was just like he really didn't have any noticeable flaws.
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No, yeah, nothing like weird or creepy, or it just he just had to play a guy who was like pretty genuine and endearing and cute and sweet.
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And like it's but James Cameron, when he told Leo that it's true, it's like the hardest thing to play, I think, is just like a regular person.
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And I think I think both of these people, because I know Kit has this similar thing in that, you know, in in Heartstopper in particular, which is certainly one of his uh probably his most famous role, it's a very, you know, like kids, very young people like struggling with their sexuality and like struggling to understand how to be a good partner and all this sort of stuff.
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And so he has that same kind of it's quite a um uh a baggaged role, like there's a lot that comes with it.
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Um, and so it's a similar kind of place.
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So there we go.
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There are there are teachers.
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I think that we've they're pretty good.
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I think we nailed it.
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Yeah, I think both of them would be.
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I mean, I I actually feel like if someone was remaking Titanic right now and they had all the headshots of their potential jacks on the table, I think both of these people would probably be in it.
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You know what I mean?
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Like I yeah, yeah.
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Um, okay.
00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:49.119
So, and again, let me repeat anybody listening, if you want to start a list going while you're listening and then share your lists after this, like who is your Jack?
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I really genuinely want to hear from people.
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Okay.
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So now I will be going to My Rose, and you're about to have a conniption.
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Here we go.
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Yes, I did it.
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This is Kate Winslit's daughter, Mia Treepleton.
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I did it.
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I went with it and I rolled with it, and actually, I think it's genius.
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She is the right age.
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She obviously has the same look, but she is a wonderful actress in her own right.
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She's already held her own in a Wes Anderson film.
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She's done some really dramatic acting actually with her mother in a uh show.
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Oh my gosh, is it called Ruth?
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I think it's called Ruth in the UK, um, that a lot of people think she should have won a supporting actress um acting award for.
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I think, you know, I've seen some interviews with her, I've seen her on the red carpet.
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Listen, obviously, this is a Nepo baby.
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Like, that's let's get this conversation out of the way.
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Like, even though she goes by, even though she goes by her last name of Threepleton, because she's the son of Kate's first husband, who was a um a director on her film Hideous Kinky in the 90s, and that's how they met.
00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.359
Um, she's obviously going by her father's last name.
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Kate has in some interviews given this very like head in the clouds answer of like, well, yeah, she's my daughter, but you know, she doesn't have my last name.
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And I think a lot of people don't know she's my daughter.
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She's making it on her own bullshit.
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Like, come on, she looks just like her, and everyone knows that that's Kate Winslow's daughter.
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Anybody in a casting room knows who she is.
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So I think Kate, get, you know, you've been famous a long time.
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Let's get your head back in the game.
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You know what I mean?
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As much as I love Kate to uh forever, I love her, but let's call her out on that.
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Um, so I think there is a little netpo baby conversation here, and I get that, but I think it's I think it would be people would go nuts over it.
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I think it would be exciting.
00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:59.920
Um definitely like from a marketing perspective, it would just be the little kind of because we'll come to something in our breakdown later, we'll come to something that both you and I had also thought of that is a bit in it.
00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:02.799
So well, yes, and you could do that, we'll talk about it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um, but I just think I think she has the acting chops.
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I think she's in the exact same position that her mom was in in 1997, where she's been in a couple of really good things.
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She's gotten people's attention, but she's not like super well known yet or anything like that.
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Um, she's also in a show.
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Um, oh my gosh, now I'm gonna forget the name of it.
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The it was not it's an Apple TV show.
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Uh, it's a period drama about a group of girls.
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I'll have to add it in and we can put it in show notes.
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Um, came out a couple of years ago.
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Anyway, she's been in some stuff where she has scenes, and you are, you are, even though you can see the Kate in there, but you can see past it too.
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Like she's a very good actress.
00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:46.079
So um, yeah, so I just I rolled with it.
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The idea popped into my head, and I do have we'll talk in honorable mentions at the end.
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I do have another um actress for Kate that was a very, very, very close second.
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And I definitely want to give her an honorable mention, but.
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This is my choice.
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We should also say this is the first time we are seeing each other's choices.
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So we just have mentioned that at the beginning.
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This is a complete surprise.
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With the exception of the one that we conceded because we took out the person, but we'll get to that later.
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Okay, so uh generally I've gone quite britt heavy, with the exception of a uh a couple here, and this is one of them.
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So my rose is Sadie Cink.
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She was in my, I had her in my top five that I was contemplating.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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I mean, Ply because she just so looks the part.
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So if if you're listening to this, just Google her.
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It is quite remarkable.
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She really, to me, gives very rose vibes.
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I think she's very controlled.
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She's very, she's quite, she's got a really good way of portraying anger in quite a kind of restrained, measured way, which gives I I was thinking in particular of that scene where Rose is at the dinner table just before she goes to jump off the back of the ship.
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And, you know, and I was thinking about the way that she has this kind of fury and this frustration inside of her, but she's kind of having to hold it in.
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Um, I'm sure there are plenty of women who can appreciate uh uh associate with that.
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But um I but I I think that um I think Sadie Sink has this has this way of of of portraying that very effectively.
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Um she's young, I think she's sort of she's in her kind of I think she's 24.
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Um so she's but she looks younger, yeah.
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She's she's 24, but she she easily could pass for 19 and she looks young.
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Yeah.
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Um she's got the same kind of you know fiery red hair.
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She's very um, I think she's she's the only thing she's at she's quite a bit slimmer, I think.
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Um to Yeah, she's quite slim.
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But yeah, but again, I mean it's like but I don't get the sense that that's because of anything unhealthy.
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I think she's just a very like, she's a very like slight person.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, well, and it was it's always blew my mind how people used to back, you know, in the 90s, people like, oh, what do they call like weighty Kate and stuff like that, which was nuts.
00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:16.720
Um yeah, try being a 13-year-old girl in 1997 and having that affect you, and then like I mean, that the cult the the culture around all of that in the 90s was so toxic.
00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:17.839
Oh, it was terrible.
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:26.319
Yeah, but so I mean, so like it's it's just it's a slight shift here, but I think um, you know, she's she's done stage, she's done film, she's done TV.
00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:34.079
Um, so I think, yeah, she has that kind of um also she for Taylor Swift fans, let's get in a Taylor reference.
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She also has the starring role in the all-too well 10-minute version uh music video that Taylor Swift uh directed, and this was like a really big deal when she released the 10-minute version of that song.
00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:51.680
And the build-up to that music video was huge, and it's Sadie Sink that plays her in that.
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:56.559
She plays a younger version of her in that music video, and it's a really good music video.
00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:58.000
Anyway, had to get a Taylor.
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I think the other thing as well is that um Kate at the time, if you remember, she was known for being uh a period actor.
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Corset Kate.
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Corset, corset, Kate.
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Whereas this is kind of the opposite, actually.
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CD Sink has never done period from what I could see.
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So it would kind of it's kind of an interesting contrast, and you've got someone who'd be doing that for the first time, like a proper sort of you know, 1900s type piece.
00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:23.440
So um it would also be like a great thing for her to prove herself in.
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So yeah.
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No, I mean she looks the part, you know, like she a hundred percent does.
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And she was in my when I when I started narrowing down and I was just making my first list, she was in my top five.
00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:42.720
Um yeah, maybe even top, maybe she might have been my third choice when I she but she was close for me.
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.759
So we were there's an alternate reality where we had the same rose.
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Um okay, okay, good.
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All right.
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Next, we are going to who who did I have next?
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I have Cal Hockley.
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Okay.
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All right.
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So um I have to go on my, we all knew it was coming.
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:04.240
We all knew it was coming, Pablo.
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I'm going on my this is my this is my heated rivalry moment.
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Oh my god, guys, she has been nagging me to watch this for so long.
00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:19.759
Anyone listening who has watched Heated Rivalry and been affected by it, listen, you know.
00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:24.160
I got I got a quote tattooed on my body the other day.
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Listen, the fandom, they know.
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:31.920
Anyone that's listening that is part of the is a loon and they'll get that reference, you know.
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:35.680
So I have anybody wants to introduce me to it.
00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:37.279
Exactly.
00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:40.079
Maybe with a nice bottle of wine.
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:40.559
No.
00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:47.599
Okay, so I have been obsessed with heated rivalry for the past few months, as many people in the world are.
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:52.880
Um, for anybody who doesn't know what it is, I'll give you a tiny, tiny little breakdown here.
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There are a series of romance novels that are written in the hockey world in Canada, where the author Rachel Reed has basically like created a um a safe literary space where she wants to reimagine um a hockey, obviously very toxic masculine space generally.
00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:16.160
Um, but she has written these series of love stories where hockey players in Canada um have like their coming out processes.
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Like for some of them, it's a coming out processes, for some of it's just like a romance, um, but they're male-male romance novels.
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And they were quite successful on their own right as books.
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:34.960
Um, but then Jacob Tierney, who is a Canadian actor and director, people will know him from Letter Kenny, a lot of different stuff.
00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:38.079
He just saw these and had a vision.
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And I will say it's one of those situations where, I mean, the books are perfectly fine.
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:47.039
Um, for people that love romance novels, more power to you, enjoy them.
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:57.039
But he took the story from one of the books and these two characters, Ilya, who is Russian and Shane, who is Canadian, and he had a vision for what he wanted to show.
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It's a love story, it's about inclusion.
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One of the main characters is autistic.
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Um, it's about, it's about family drama, grief, love, hate.
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:11.279
It is, it encompasses so many beautiful emotions.
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:12.319
I'm obsessed.
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:18.400
But this is Connor's story who plays Ilya Rosinov, who is the Russian main character in the show.
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.720
And Connor's story will win an Oscar one day.
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Mark my fucking words.
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He is from West Texas and grew up just in a regular family in West Texas, wanting to be an actor.
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He learned Russian for this part.
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:38.799
His Russian accent, I when I the first time that I watched the show, I thought it was a Russian actor.
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He is not Russian, he's from West Texas.
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He is he is capable of transforming into.
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I mean, I've seen him in several things now, and he's just capable of transforming into anything that he wants to.
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:58.720
He has a little bit of a villain vibe, I think, that is in there that could come out in this beautiful way for Cal.
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:05.039
I think he would be able to convey the charm that someone would fall for.
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I mean, look at him.
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He's beautiful, he's sculpted.
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He could wear the period costuming and convey this sense of like, yeah, I'm a, you know, I'm a still tycoon, I'm gorgeous, I've got all the money in the world.
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:21.519
Why would a woman not want to be with me?
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I can treat a woman however I want.
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And he would be able to charm the fucking pants off of Rose and her mother.
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And then there is like this evil core that starts to like come out and the mustache twirling.
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:34.960
I think he's capable of both.
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And I think he would bring a lot of acting chops to the role of Cal.
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:39.680
No shade on Billy Zane.
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:40.720
Love Billy Zane.
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:44.400
But I wanted to, I'm obsessed with the two actors from Heated Rivalry.
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:55.279
I wanted to get one of them in here selfishly, but also I think truly, truly, truly, he could pull off something like that in a very interesting and actorly way.
00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:58.559
Um, and I'm obsessed with him, and he will win an Oscar one day.
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:01.359
Okay, In Scene, thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:04.079
Uh, Connor Story, if you ever hear this, call me.
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:05.680
I will be your best friend.
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:06.240
I love you.
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:07.519
Okay, and I'm done.
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:08.400
There we go.
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:12.640
Okay, that was that was a that was a journey.
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:14.400
Yeah, no, I can actually state what he's.
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:19.920
I think he's I I again, I think it's like it's a different, it's a different um direction, isn't it?
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:21.039
But I I can see it.
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:32.640
And he has got that kind of it's interesting actually, because he's got a similar thing to what I've put forward actually, which is this sort of kind of attractive, kind of darkly attractive kind of um vibe that he's got going on.
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:34.880
So yeah, darkly attractive.
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:39.920
There's like a like hot as hell, but there's a darkness there, you can see.
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:47.039
And I think like casting someone like him, and maybe yours is the same way, would take Cal in a little bit of a darker direction.
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:47.359
Yes.
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:49.680
But I think there's a lot of darkness in Cal.
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:50.799
I think there is.
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:57.519
And if you you know, once you've rewatched the film as many times as say you and I have, you pick up even in Billy Zane's performance.
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:58.960
There's a lot more darkness than I think people.
00:30:59.279 --> 00:30:59.599
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:00.240
Oh no, definitely.
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:01.119
Yeah.
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:08.000
Okay, so my cow is, and this is where I go a bit uh get into the Brit as Richard.
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:08.720
Oh, yeah, I know.
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:10.319
Yeah.
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:16.559
So Richard Madden, people will probably know him for things uh like the bodyguard.
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:20.799
That was a big, big, big um success in the UK, but I know around the world as well.
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:25.440
He's been in Game of Thrones, um, Rocket Man, Eternals, lots of other things.
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:28.319
But he's very, I think he's very physically credible.
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.759
Um, he's very good at being charming and then switching.
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:48.079
You saw a lot of that in the bodyguard, that he would go from incredibly charismatic and very kind of alluring and then suddenly incredibly defensive, incredibly um uh sort of uh uh compact and and uh able to kind of bring all of these kind of facets together.
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:58.880
So I think uh he um he's very good at kind of um controlling uh whilst letting a few cracks in, if that makes sense.
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:05.200
So it's it's kind of outwardly perfect, but you know there's something under the undersurface, which is sort of what we were just saying, colors a bit like that.
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:10.640
Um so yeah, I think you know, I just I can so imagine him, particularly from the bodyguard.
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:13.440
I can so imagine him doing those like chases down the corridors.
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:25.599
Yeah, the the shot that you put of him on the right, I can just see, I can like take that screen or that shot and in my mind transfer it to him running down the corridor with a gun and stuff like that.
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:26.880
This is what I mean.
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:28.720
Yeah, yeah, no, a hundred percent.
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.279
He feels expensive.
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:31.920
Do you know what I mean?
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:40.000
Like in the way that Cal is, like he feels like he already fits that kind of world without trying, without having to try, if that makes sense.
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:42.319
No, this is no, I think that's a good attribute.
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:45.759
Like that's how that in picking Connor's story for me, that too.
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:57.200
Like he he, I think both of them look like people that just belong in that elevated, expensive world can wear like the most expensive suit in the world just very naturally.
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:09.039
And I and both and you know, just pick up their cigarette and just you know, they rule the fucking world and nobody like do not don't dare say anything against me, or you will see the evil side of me, you know.
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:17.279
Like that like two-faced Jekyll and Hyde, like can be the most charming person in the world, and just one little flip of a switch and it's all changed.
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:19.119
They both like have that.
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.599
It's like I think it's all about the eyes.
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:26.880
I think if I was a casting director, I would just always be looking at people's eyes, you know what I mean?
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:30.079
I think everything is in is conveyed in the eyes.
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:32.720
Um yeah, this is a good pick.
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:34.559
Um, how old is he?
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.480
Uh he's a little bit older, so I think he's about 40.
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:42.240
I think Billy Zane was I don't think that's much.
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:43.279
He was like mid 30s.
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:44.799
Yeah, I was gonna say I think he's mid 30s.
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:48.720
So yeah, but but he but Richard Madden can play younger and he's obviously incredibly attractive.
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:51.200
Yeah, he doesn't look that and I went younger.
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:55.119
I mean, Connor's story is only like he's like 26, maybe going on 27.
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:59.440
So I went a little bit younger, but in doing that, that was also purposeful.
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:03.200
I'm like, I don't, I think I almost feel like it makes it more realistic in some ways.
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:05.279
Like, who wouldn't fall for that guy?
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:11.599
Like, who wouldn't if your mom in 1912 came to you like this man's this wealthy and he wants to marry you?
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:12.320
I mean, look at him.
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:12.880
Who wouldn't?
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:13.440
You know what I mean?
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:17.199
I sort of went with the like, yeah, I could see this, you know.
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:23.760
So I went kind of younger with it, but I think anyone between the ages of 25 and 40 could work for Cal.
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:25.519
It just depends on like the vibe.
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:26.239
Yeah.
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:28.159
Okay, who have you got next?
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:29.119
All right.
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:33.280
Next I have Captain EJ Smith.
00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:33.920
Okay.
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:40.960
So I have gone with a little bit of not necessarily stunt casting, but just interesting.
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:45.519
Um, so Nick Offerman, people will know from mostly from Parks and Rec.
00:34:45.760 --> 00:35:01.519
So he became like a cultural phenomenon in the era of the show Parks and Rec, where he plays Ron Swanson, who is this burly, serious, um, you know, sort of like has a problem with everything.
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:04.079
Uh, no one is as perfect as he is.
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:07.280
Uh, he doesn't trust technology, he doesn't trust politics.
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:12.239
He he lives in a when he's not working, he lives in a cabin in the woods and chops his own firewood.
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:18.159
Like um, he is a very, I Ron Swanson's a very iconic character, especially for people who love the show.
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:20.000
And so that's how he became famous.
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:27.039
But then ever since he got that amount of fame on that show, he's used it to be in some really interesting roles.
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:36.559
Like he he pops up now as a character actor in, you know, something like um, oh gosh, I didn't watch it, but the um is it the last of us?
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:37.199
No.
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:39.599
What's the one with Pedro Pascal?
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:42.239
Um, that's the apocalyptic show.
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:43.519
Let me look it up.
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:53.920
Um because this his turn in that was um uh let's see, you can edit this out if you need to.
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:57.519
The light is the last of us.
00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:58.400
Okay, I had it right.
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:02.559
Um so he'll pop up as a character actor now in like very serious roles.
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:04.639
He also still does comedy sometimes.
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:10.639
He's an author, he's written like a bunch of best-selling books, and he's really intelligent, really witty.
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:12.400
Like, I love watching interviews with him.
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.199
He's just like he's the real deal.
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:18.239
I think he's aged into this role perfectly.
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:21.519
He's got the acting chops, his beard is perfect.
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.880
They could obviously dye the rest of his hair white if they needed to.
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:32.239
I think he's got the right like stature and build and sort of like, you know, kind of aged look in the eyes.
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:39.119
And I think it would just be really interesting and fun to see someone like him do uh Captain Smith.
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:44.480
So again, this one's a little stunty, but not really, because he's his acting is incredible.
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:50.000
He's done all sorts of types of roles, and I think he just he just looks it to me.
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:59.039
Like I I love, like even he's got like the little like you know, birthmark right above the um the beard line that gives him so much character.
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:03.199
So that's my that's my entry for Captain Smith.
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:13.199
I like I like that for, and I think you're gonna like mine because I have obviously you may or may not that Rich Madden is Scottish.
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:16.880
Um my next is also Scottish.
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:18.400
I love a Scott.
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:21.679
I don't think I know him though.
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:22.320
Do you know?
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:34.320
So Peter Peter Mullen's quite a so he's he's quite um he's quite a like a sort of stillness and kind of heavy actor.
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:38.079
So his stuff is his stuff has been he's been in a film called My Name is Joe.
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:43.679
He was in Warhorse, um uh Tyrannosaur.
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.719
He's been in a few quite heavy roles.
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:52.480
He's very good at that sort of still shock kind of method acting.
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:54.159
I can see that in his face.
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:54.639
Yeah.
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:55.599
Yeah.
00:37:55.840 --> 00:38:01.360
So he's very um, I think he really, really fits that, that, that uh role.
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:10.159
But he's also, I think he's genuinely one maybe left of his era where you know there's no there's no gloss.
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:14.159
Like there's there's there's a story and there's weather on his face.
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:14.800
Do you know what I mean?
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.519
Like he's not tried to hide who he is.
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:27.119
Um I think he has this sort of almost inherent uh sort of genuineness to him.
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:32.320
It feels like he's really been through it, you know?
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:34.000
Um weathered.
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:36.079
Captain Smith is weathered, yeah.
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:36.800
Yeah, yeah.
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:38.480
So I think I think there's a lot there.
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:43.920
So I and you know, he looks the part, and um I think yeah, I think he'd be a great fit.
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:45.280
So that's my Captain Smith.
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:49.599
The um the the shot you've shared, he looks like he's sort of shocked.
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:50.639
Like, what is going on?
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:52.800
So it's like the perfect, yeah.
00:38:52.960 --> 00:39:05.920
Um yeah, I think Captain Smith is obviously like if you look at actual screen time, um, quite a small role in the grand scheme of things in the film, um, but really, really an important pillar of the film.
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.039
And so who you cast, it's it's an important decision.
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:10.880
So, okay, I like it.
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:14.960
All right, next I have who did I do next?
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:16.960
Ruth, do whip you cater.
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:17.599
All right.
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:25.840
I have gone with Carrie Coon, who honestly like she popped into my head and I already knew it was the right decision.
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:30.800
And then when I started looking at pictures, I was like, she really has a very Francis Fisher type of vibe.
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:35.199
Um, so Carrie Kuhn is in her late 40s, so right age.
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:43.360
Um, she is a wonderful actress who has been in a ton of stuff, but she as of late has become quite known for two things.
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:56.559
One of them is the Gilded Age, um, which is the Julian Fellows, you know, his latest um mini-series that he's been doing the last couple of years, um, which is about obviously like late, you know, eight late 19th century in New York City.
00:39:56.639 --> 00:40:01.840
Um, and she plays the wife of a of a of a man who's essentially supposed to be a Vanderbilt.
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:03.519
So she's basically playing a Vanderbilt.
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:05.840
Um, but she's she kills it in that show.
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:06.800
She's incredible.
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:09.840
She's quite capable of playing like very austere.
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:13.280
Anyone who's watched The Gilded Age knows she's the right choice.
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:19.679
Like she she basically like plays a version of Ruth in The Gilded Age, just maybe a little bit younger on that show.
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:25.519
Um, she was also in the latest season of The White Lotus on um, is it on HBO Max?
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:29.280
Um White Lotus, also fantastic series by Mike White.
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:32.559
Um, but she was on the latest series of that.
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:35.840
And um, she just is she's incredible.
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:42.559
And I think she just gives off this very like, you know, hair over the shoulder.
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:53.280
Like I'm kind of unbothered by a lot of things, but there's also a like deep well of grief, grief and trauma probably simmering, you know, down there that needs to come out.
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:55.039
Um, very Ruth vibes.
00:40:55.440 --> 00:41:00.880
Um, I can just see her in the period costumes, I can see her in the Ruth outfits.
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:02.639
Um, so there we go.
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:04.400
That's my Ruth, Carrie Coon.
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:05.920
Yeah, I like that one.
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:06.719
I like that one.
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:10.800
And this is this is definitely where you and I have diverged, I think.
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:11.360
Okay.
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:14.719
But this is the beauty of not sharing anything.
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:19.440
And I'm and I'm looking at it being like, oh, we are about to have a handbrake turn right now.
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:26.639
So um mine is actually from just down the road.
00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:31.119
So my Ruth is a uh British actress called Maxine Peak.
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:39.440
So Maxine Peak is from a place uh called Bolton in Greater Manchester, which is just like half an hour from uh from me in Manchester.
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:47.440
Now she Maxine Peake is genuinely right now one of the most respected actors of her generation, of our generation.
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:57.440
She's never chased franchises, she's never kind of been, she's never cast like sort of in roles where she is the center of gravity, like she doesn't sort of go after that.
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:13.280
Um, but she brings this just just remarkably um real and uh authentic sort of um streak to every performance that she does, and it is incredibly raw.
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:18.320
And so I'm thinking about the scenes where you know I love the shot because I talk about it all the time.
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:25.199
The shot where Ruth is sitting in the lifeboat looking at Titanic and she has this like kind of glassy eyed thing.
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:35.199
I just think um Frances Fisher's performance, her face in that scene just does as much as seeing the horror of that thinking.
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:45.119
Like you can just see the pain and the horror and the all of the thoughts of this mother about her daughter being still on the ship or not knowing where her daughter is.
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:47.519
You can see it all over Frances Fisher's face.
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:50.239
And someone like Maxine Peak could do this.
00:42:50.400 --> 00:43:06.400
She is the kind of person, I mean, Maxine Peak isn't is like a proper, like kind of hard northerner, like, you know, really has that kind of um, you know, sort of uh life experience type um uh feel to her.
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:13.440
And I think, you know, she's not she's not the kind of person who backs backs down easily, and I think she would bring that to this role.
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:18.400
So um, yeah, I I mean she is just a fantastic, fantastic actor.
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:25.039
And um, you know, I think she would be quite a bit hard, a bit grittier than perhaps Frances Fisher would be.
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:26.559
So it is a slightly different vibe.
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:28.320
Um yeah, but she looks, I don't know.
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.519
I mean, Frances Fisher definitely has a little bit of a hardened vibe to her.
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:39.280
Not in a bad, I mean, not in an unattractive way, just um, you know, I I definitely think there's a thread that Fran that is a very Francis Fisher about her.
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:44.159
I actually pulled up, I pulled up to some, I maybe I should have used one of these in my slideshow.
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.039
I pulled up some images of Carrie Coon too in her Gilded Age.
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:50.239
Because she I don't think they're that dissimilar, really.
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:56.639
Like they both have like that harder jaw and they can look a little bit like hardened and a little bit almost kind of angry.
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:05.280
Well, I was gonna say, I think it's like it's it's that they Seem like they can both hold this kind of stillness and make it a judgment.
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:25.599
That's sort of what I was saying is that like that that that facial acting from Francis Fisher, that ability, you know, like the corset scene, her ability to really kind of get things across in in actually a very short amount of time, um, and and not be moved off it, I think is quite uh um an important part of this role.
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:32.960
But she's actually it's it's fairly small, but there are moments that really, really, really matter and add quite a lot to the film.
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:40.320
And I think certainly the two people that we've picked, I think, could probably pull off that those like quite pivotal but small moments.
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:51.920
Yeah, you need you need a Ruth that can do a lot of eye acting in micro moments where she's got to convey austerity or anger or sadness, or yeah, you really need you.
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.039
I mean, the Ruth character needs a really strong actress.
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.199
You can't just throw anybody in that role.
00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:57.519
Yeah.
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:01.679
Um, so I think, yeah, I actually think both are very, very good choices.
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:03.679
I actually haven't heard of her, so I'm gonna look her up.
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:06.719
Um okay, who do I have next?
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.320
Let me go back to my okay.
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:12.480
I gotta go back to my who am I next?
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:17.440
Okay, so next we have Bruce Ismay.
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:23.679
And I have gone with Tobias Menzies.
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:29.840
And let me tell you that I also this is a way for me to get Outlander in there.
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.159
So uh this is genius.
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:39.280
Um uh no, in all seriousness, Tobias Menzies is one of the greatest actors, I think, of his generation.
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:43.119
Uh, a lot of people will know him from Outlander in the first three seasons.
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.280
He plays the the villain.
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:57.599
He plays Frank, who is he's double cast as Claire's husband from the 1940s, and then also as his evil, evil, evil ancestor who causes all the problems in the 1700s.
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.880
Um, his main so the he's mostly in those scenes.
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:10.320
Um, and he plays a really evil British officer who is out for blood and um also guilty of things like sexual abuse.
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:15.360
I mean, we're talking this is a really scary role to dig into.
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:19.280
Um, he comes off as just pure fucking evil.
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:23.840
Um, but you know, obviously Tobias Menzies has done a lot of different types of roles as well.
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:30.960
But I just think not that I think Bruce Ismay is evil, um, but I just think it's a good match because of, I mean, acting calibered.
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:37.039
I mean, Tobias Menzies should have won an Emmy for his first season of Outlander, and he probably should have won an Emmy for a lot of different things.
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:42.239
Um, he's been on the crown, he's um he just portrayed Abraham Lincoln in a mini-series.
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:43.119
He's incredible.
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:48.719
Um, but he's got the, he's capable of this deepness um in his face.
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:50.480
He's also capable of lightness.
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:55.440
Like he can really, again, it's the eyes, it's the facial acting, he can shift back and forth.
00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:16.480
Um, I could see him throwing a mustache on and just perfectly walking into the Bruce Ismay role and being able to convey what I think is a pretty complicated kind of psyche of Bruce Ismay, which of course there's been this completely new discourse over the last few years of reevaluating Bruce Isme.
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:18.719
I've talked a lot about it on my podcast.
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:23.119
Um, a much more multifaceted person than people have given him credit for.
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:27.039
So I think Tobias has the he's got the acting chops to do that.
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.239
He's got the look for it, throw a mustache on.
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:46.000
And I think like if I were if someone were actually recasting, I think a role like this would be such a gift for someone like Tobias Menzies, who has quietly been doing really great work in the background for years, but never had that like star-making moment.
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:58.079
And I think it would be fun for someone like him to get like the buzz that came with being in a movie like this after years of quietly giving like incredible performances.
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.920
That you the look there is is really good.
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:03.599
Actually, you've matched that really well.
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:07.119
Mine doesn't match quite as well, but he that really looks like you.
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:12.480
Yeah, you chuck on a mustache, and that is basically it's my yeah, that's a really good one.
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:19.840
Um so mine is mine again is a little bit um odd and back to the Brits.
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:26.159
But I've chosen him because Tobias Menzies is British.
00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:28.000
I have included quite a few British people.
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:29.360
No, I know, I know, I know.
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:42.400
I'm just thinking because actually in Cameron's film, it's there's a lot of slightly strange kind of American British crossover type people, but um uh and some accents that maybe not always anyway.
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:44.000
Let's not go down the road.
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:54.239
Um, so yeah, so I've chosen this uh Jay Bruce Ismay because um he's quite good at adapting to pretty much any role I've seen, actually.
00:48:54.400 --> 00:49:00.079
And so I think you might, you know, you're talking there about this role that is quite complicated and is quite complex.
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:03.440
And you know, it's not as simple as you say, like he's not just this evil person.
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:14.000
And there are moments um in James Cameron's film where you see Isme doing things like helping load the lifeboats, and you see there are little these glimmers where you know he is not actually portrayed as this two-dimensional evil um person.
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:17.760
So I've gone with Matt Smith.
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:19.840
Oh, yeah.
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:25.039
You know, I have to say, so John, my husband, I say, I mean, obviously, Pablo N is my husband.
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:28.480
I just for anyone listening, and if I just throw John, it's like there's so many Johns in the world.
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:29.280
Who are you talking about?
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:38.639
But John, my husband, um, he though he was like kind of looking over my shoulder and offering me some like ideas, and he was so desperately trying to get a doctor in there.
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:44.400
Like he can't he was like, he suggested Matt Smith or stuff, he suggested David Tennant for stuff.
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.760
I'm like, you're trying to get a doctor in, and that's not happening right now.
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:49.360
I see, see, I think so.
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:59.599
Yeah, Matt Smith, he played the 11th Doctor and Doctor Who, but he's also done uh The Crown, um, he's done House of Dragon, he's done a lot on stage as well.
00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:07.360
He's a very so he's a really interesting actor because he's on the face of it, I think people dismiss him a little bit.
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:14.800
Um, because I think there is a sort of, he came in and played the Doctor at a time when the show was going through quite a lot of changes.
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:20.239
And I think partly because of that, he's been not dismissed, that's not fair.
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:23.039
He's taken very seriously as an actor in the UK, particularly on stage.
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:27.840
But I think maybe that had a little bit of a dent in um in his reputation.
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:45.039
But actually, I think that he is very good at switching from um quite light-hearted and quite um sort of straight, straight through acting, down to, you know, quite strained and quite um emotionally complicated actors.
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:49.599
And you see that in things like Doctor Who, actually, which, you know, people don't give that show enough credit.
00:50:49.760 --> 00:51:12.719
I mean, I'm I don't watch anymore, but it actually is very good at tackling quite a lot of both light-hearted and really fun moments, of course, you're traveling through time, but then actually they have very deep and quite emotional and quite um intense storylines sometimes, which are you know center around kind of class divides and um uh gender and um you know things like that.
00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:27.920
And so I think he has navigated a lot of that, and I think that he, you know, he doesn't play for sympathy, he doesn't play for laughs, he just has a way of bringing that character into a quite um rounded uh place.
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:52.320
And so I I like it because he's not immediately charismatic, he's not um, you know, you don't read that as uh like a star weight, but actually I think he can carry Isme and and give the sort of uh Isme the kind of full kind of circle moment that um you know that he deserves.
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.360
So I think I'm quite happy.
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:59.440
And I again I think just slap on a mustache, and I think you've got you just slap on a mustache.
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:10.960
He looks he he has like a darkness, but also a vulnerability Matt, yeah, he has a vulnerability in his face that I think really works to his advantage in a lot of the roles.
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:32.880
I've seen him in quite a few things over the years, and there's a vulnerability there that I think you need, and especially if you're going with a slightly more modern interpretation of Isme, which, like, let's be honest, anyone recasting in 2026 is gonna have, as we have had, like much more complex conversations about some of these characters than James Cameron did in 1997, you know.
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:35.760
Um, okay, I think those are both good.
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:37.920
Um, who is next?
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:44.000
Next we have Molly Brown, and I have gone with Melissa McCarthy.
00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:53.840
I was going, I she was my just I just didn't choose her, but I so nearly did.
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:57.440
I knew you I knew you were gonna have her on your list.
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:00.079
I was kind of curious to see if we both would do it.
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:06.079
Uh obviously I know Bridesmaids is one of your favorite films of all time, as it is one of mine.
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:14.239
Um, she also has a special place in my heart because she got her start on Gilmore Girls, which is where my daughter's name is from, Lorelai, obviously.
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:19.039
Um, so I've been following her, you know, since before she was huge and and famous.
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:28.400
Um, so I think the the vibe, she is like, she's like the same as casting Kathy Bates in 1997, right?
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:31.920
Like this big star that's been nominated for Oscars.
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:34.719
She's proven she can do drama and comedy.
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:37.679
Um, so she's gonna lend some credibility to the role.
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:42.000
Um, I think she's got that loud, bombastic thing you want in a Molly Brown.
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:47.280
Um, she can do a little smirk and give you everything she need you need with that character.
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:49.199
Um, and she just, I don't know.
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:52.639
I just when I started thinking about Molly, nobody else.
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:53.599
I know.
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:55.519
I did exactly the same thing.
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:57.599
I did exactly the same.
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.159
There is, she really does, you're totally right.
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:08.719
She totally brings just the the sort of the fullness.
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:09.440
It's so hard.
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:14.320
Like, I just think that Kathy Bates, I mean, I honestly I think Kathy Bates was just flawless in that role, genuinely.
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:14.880
Oh, of course.
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:19.760
But I think Melissa McCarthy also brings that fullness, that kind of light-hearted life experience.
00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:22.000
I just yeah, I just think she's yeah, you're terrible.
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:27.360
And put her, can't you just imagine her in like the Molly Brown costumes with the headdress?
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:31.440
Yeah, and she wouldn't let the costume wear her, she'd be wearing the costume.
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:40.079
And um well, all of those all of those scenes with Leo, like you know, you shine up like a near panny, like all of that, she would just land it so badly.
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:40.880
Land it.
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:42.159
She would steal the movie.
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:44.480
I know, I no notes.
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:47.519
I wholeheartedly agree on that.
00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:48.480
All right.
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:56.480
I have another I have another one coming that you're gonna you're gonna be so happy about and give me no notes, and I'm gonna make you so happy in life.
00:54:56.639 --> 00:55:01.039
But anyway, um, okay, so who I I'm kind of shocked you didn't pick her.
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:13.360
So who's your so I I did pick her for a very long time, and then I remembered a brilliant show I watched actually when I lived in New York with this actress in, and I and exactly the same as Melissa McCarthy.
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.800
So I went with Margot, yeah.
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:17.440
Margaret.
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:20.079
I know who she is, she's in everything, yeah.
00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:20.480
Yeah.
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:22.079
She is British.
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:37.519
So she was in um a series that I watched, which was basically about this kind of um I don't really know how you how I'd explain it actually, but basically like a a sort of um a heist of honey kind of thing.
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:57.920
So it was called the sticky, and it's it's basically a series about um this this like um maple syrup farmer who um sort of she kind of gets attacked by competitors who are all trying to kind of get in on the industry of making maple syrup.
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:02.000
It is a brilliant series, but it is very Molly Brown.
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:06.960
It's very like making your own way, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:17.119
Um, you know, uh she she ends up in this series going on to kind of do this like uh have this huge revenge on this, on this sort of, it's almost like Big Pharma, but uh sort of big maple syrup, you know.
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:19.679
And she's kind of targeted by Big Maple syrup.
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:23.199
So she goes on to kind of get revenge on this, on this company.
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:24.639
But she is brilliant.
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:37.039
She switches from just deadpan, like really aggressive, like quite heavy, to just like side-clutchingly hilarious, you know, just so funny.
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:47.119
Very similar to Kathy Bates, very similar to Melissa McCarthy, um, really just a wonderful, wonderful actor.
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:48.239
Um, and has this.
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:49.599
Yeah, she's delightful.
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:51.440
I've seen her pop up in a lot of different stuff.
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:52.320
She's brilliant.
00:56:52.480 --> 00:57:01.039
She has this, I think she has this load-bearing quality that again, Kathy Bates had that she like actually carries quite a lot, and she's there for quite important moments in the film, right?
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:11.280
Um, even though you think of her as just kind of a side piece, she's actually really quite important and she's so brilliant at making you warm to her.
00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:28.079
And I think it's why I love this role so much um in this series I'm talking about, because you love her, even though she's absolutely awful in in some moments, but she's still so warm and so able to bring you with her on, you know, you really root for her to be breaking the law and doing all these terrible things.
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:30.239
So just so funny.
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:32.719
I mean, genuinely um well, that's the thing.
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:34.719
Like whoever plays Molly has to be funny.
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:35.840
You have to be able to be funny.
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:38.239
I think you have to like I think it has to be in your bones.
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:42.320
I think you have to be a Kathy Bates, a Margot a Melissa.
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.199
Like you have to be those kind of people who just they just are.
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:46.320
They just are funny.
00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:48.320
Some people are, some people are not, and they are.
00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:49.679
You have to be funny, yeah.
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:51.920
Yeah, and so yeah, it's so funny.
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:57.280
I was I certainly chose Melissa McCarthy, but then I remembered this series and I thought, I think she just edges it.
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:02.480
I think she also looks like Kathy Brown, um, um, Kathy Bates and and Molly Brown, I think.
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:09.039
Yeah, and but I mean, yeah, I think they all have the same vibe, but she probably looks more like Kathy Bates.
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:09.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:10.239
100%.
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:11.679
I'm very happy with it.
00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:14.239
This is one of the ones I'm most happy about.
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:18.880
I it's a good choice, but I I I just I think I nailed it with Melissa.
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:31.360
I still think Melissa is I I ride or die for this, but I'm I sort of I suspected that you would have her, if not, if you didn't pick her, I knew you would have her in your top three.
00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:31.679
Yeah.
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:33.119
Um, okay.
00:58:33.519 --> 00:58:36.480
Next we have Spicer Lovejoy.
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.920
And I went with never addressed what a ridiculous name this is, by the way.
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:41.199
Spicer Lovejoy.
00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:44.400
Like did James Cameron just have an aneurysm that day or something?
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:47.039
Yeah, probably like a little teeny one.
00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:50.559
Um, it's also like an amazing, it's amazing.
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:52.880
I want to name a dog Spicer Lovejoy.
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:56.159
Um so obviously the great name, bro.
00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:58.559
Yeah, come here, Spicer.
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:08.559
Um so uh played in the movie, obviously, by the very good actor David Warner, who had also been in a Titanic movie, Titanic SOS in the 1970s.
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:13.679
Um, I went with, I actually have to give credit to my husband, John, for this one.
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:17.519
Um, he pulled this one out and I was like, yeah.
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:24.639
So obviously, Tim Roth, a seasoned, seasoned actor, you know, known for his work with Tarantino and countless things.
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:26.000
Look up his IMDB.
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:31.280
Um, very serious actor that's also capable of like a wink and a nod.
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:37.840
Um, I think in my version of things, like most of his scenes, obviously in my recasting, will be with Connor's story.
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:44.880
And I think that turns those scenes into a very dark place, which I think would be an interesting um area to take it.
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:53.039
You know, I mean, those are already quite dark interactions, but with Billy Zane and David Warner, it's more of like, I can't raise my eyebrow, but more of an eyebrow raise kind of thing.
00:59:53.199 --> 01:00:02.559
I think if you take Connor's story and Tim Roth, you turn it into actually a pretty serious, these pretty dark, you know, like passing the or showing the gun, passing stuff over between them.
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:08.639
I think you have two actors of that caliber and you've got some really interesting drama.
01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:10.000
Um, so I don't know.
01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:13.039
He just looks apart to me, he's got the acting chops.
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:18.639
I think it would be really interesting to see like a capital A actor in this role.
01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:20.079
And I don't know, it's just a fun one.
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.519
I just like the minute John suggested it, I was like, yeah, that makes sense.
01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:24.800
No, he's he's really good.
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:29.119
And I remember him actually from Tin Star, which is a brilliant series he's in.
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:35.199
And he had he does have that kind of um quite pained um performative activity here.
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:36.559
He's really he's really good, actually.
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:37.519
It's a great choice.
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:40.400
Yeah, I John gets full credit for that one.
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:43.599
He pulled that one out, and I was like, Yep, that's it.
01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:54.159
Okay, so my my love joy is um Michael Shannon.
01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:56.800
Oh my gosh, I actually considered him.
01:00:56.960 --> 01:00:57.840
I considered him.
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:01.039
He was on my list of like 10 when I started narrowing it down.
01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:02.000
Yeah, before I yeah.
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:05.360
So I just think he is brilliant.
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:11.760
He everything he's been in, he just has this, he just has the Lovejoy vibe about him.
01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:17.679
He is just so um, I don't even know how you explain it really.
01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:26.719
He just has the kind of uh almost absence, you know, in the way that Lovejoy is just sort of taking almost like dead-eyed, yeah.
01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:37.840
Yeah, like an all there's something about Lovejoy that feels like he has been through so much, like he's had to deal with so much shit from he is done, and he's like ready to fucking retire.
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:44.960
And he has this vibe of like, I've got to do one more fucking Atlantic crossing with this shit Joe of a human being.
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:46.000
Yeah, yeah.
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:52.239
Like he is ready to cut the ties, he is ready to go, and I think Shannon can do that.
01:01:52.480 --> 01:02:03.519
Shannon can do these performances, which you can just feel he's like, you never see it happen, but you can tell he's just on the edge, like he's just about ready to go, ready to blow up.
01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:05.920
Um, and I think Shannon is just that.
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:17.440
He is the kind of the uh sort of the definitive modern kind of company man who's just stopped asking questions and is ready to just like lose his shit anytime soon.
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:25.199
Um and honestly, I mean, not that dissimilar from his character in Revolutionary Road, just maybe ready to just go jump off a bridge.
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:37.119
Like, I'm not, I mean, and and I mean, not to be uh sorry to put a trigger warning on anything that these days has anything to do with even joking about, you know, self-harm or suicide, but like I'm just I'm not, I mean, it actually is not funny.
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:37.760
I'm serious.
01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:39.920
Like it really, like Lovejoy.
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:51.280
If you think about that character, like he's there's some deep stuff going on there, and he's not in a good mental place, and he is probably lived a very hard life, and he just looks like he's ready.
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:54.800
I mean, I I wouldn't have been shocked if he just walked into the ocean.
01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:55.440
You know what I mean?
01:02:55.519 --> 01:03:03.920
Like, I just like there is definitely some darker stuff going on with that character and him having ended up in the job that he's ended up in and having to do what he has to do.
01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:11.360
Yeah, and I think if anyone's seen the film 99 Homes, um, which is brilliant, uh, and it also stars Andrew Garfield, one of my favorite actors.
01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:18.079
Um, it's a really brilliant film about a sort of for the father sort of struggling to um get his home back essentially.
01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:20.719
He's kind of had his home repossessed with his family.
01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:25.039
Um, and Shannon is in that and he has that same kind of feel.
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:37.760
Uh, you know, Shannon has to do a pretty unpleasant job, but with sort of this professional calm, whilst you can sort of see the cogs behind it just, you know, ready to, you know, they're just gearing up for something.
01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:40.800
So I think, and I Shannon just does that brilliantly.
01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:45.920
Um, so yeah, that's my I mean he's just I mean, Michael Shannon's one of the greatest actors of of a generation.
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:47.920
I mean, he's he's incredible.
01:03:48.159 --> 01:03:49.360
100% agree.
01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:50.639
I sign off.
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:56.639
Um, I think this next one might be the one that you're gonna lose your mind on.
01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:57.760
Nope, nope, okay.
01:03:57.920 --> 01:03:58.719
That's the next one.
01:03:58.800 --> 01:03:59.199
All right.
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:04.960
So this is um, I love all the tangents I'm getting to go on.
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:08.239
So this is for Officer William Murdoch.
01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:10.000
I have cast Lewis Pullman.
01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:25.760
Now, yes, he is the son of beloved actor Bill Pullman, who has played the president of the United States, has stolen our hearts with Sandy B and While You Were Sleeping, was the father in Casper.
01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:31.440
I mean, just the night, the run that Bill Pullman had in the 90s of like the everyman.
01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:34.880
Um, he was in so many big movies, popcorn movies.
01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:36.639
The man's probably so wealthy.
01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:40.960
Um, and by all accounts, just like the nicest human being on earth.
01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:45.360
Um, oh, the guy who gets left behind at the altar in sleepless in Seattle.
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:47.280
I mean, you just go on and on.
01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:52.559
Um, so this is his son, who has obviously Nepo baby situation too.
01:04:52.719 --> 01:04:58.639
Um, but he looks just like his dad, just with like a little sexier edge thrown in.
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:04.559
And I'm like, this is like a copy and paste with some added spice, and like I'm liking this.
01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:07.199
So he is an incredible actor.
01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:19.679
I just watched him in a movie called The Testament of Anne Lee, which is um a biographical film about Anne Lee who founded the Shaker movement, um, which is a sact of Quakers.
01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:21.440
Amanda Seifried is in that movie.
01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:22.079
She's really good.
01:05:22.159 --> 01:05:24.639
I'm shocked she didn't get nominated for an Oscar for that.
01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:26.880
Um, but he has a pretty big role in that movie.
01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:33.679
And I'd seen him in a couple of other smaller things, um, but he's an incredible actor and he just has that like weathered look.
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:40.960
Um, I could see him in the officer's uniform, and I could see him looking just really worried like about everything.
01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:46.239
And um, I don't know, I just wanted to put him in some role because I'm kind of mildly obsessed with him right now.
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:47.360
I think he's a great actor.
01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:51.920
And I was like, I grew up on his dad's movie, so it's just like weird.
01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:55.199
Um, Nepo baby, like some Nepo babies are okay.
01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:56.480
I'll give him a free pass.
01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:59.679
Um, uh, but yeah, he's he's fantastic, and I he's kind.
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:03.840
Of on the up, so I bet he's about to be in a lot of other good stuff too.
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:09.280
We have a very attractive recasting going on between the two of us.
01:06:09.599 --> 01:06:12.800
Like this is a this is a sexy Titanic recasting.
01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:15.119
This is a sexy Titanic.
01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:19.360
Um okay, I think so.
01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:22.079
You're either gonna love or hate this.
01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:22.639
Okay.
01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:31.599
You're either gonna think this is the best thing that ever happened, or you're gonna hate me for ruining both the character and the actor who I know you really like.
01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:39.119
But for my William Murdoch, I have gone with Rafe Spall.
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:42.400
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:43.920
I gotta tell you something.
01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:46.559
I have him in an honorable mention for somebody.
01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:46.880
Okay.
01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:49.760
I I didn't consider him for this part.
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:53.840
I thought maybe he's a little old for this part, but I can see it.
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:58.000
And I really, he was my second choice for another one we're about to talk about.
01:06:58.320 --> 01:06:58.880
So yeah.
01:06:59.039 --> 01:06:59.679
I love it.
01:06:59.920 --> 01:07:05.360
I so Rafe Spall is uh, if anyone doesn't know, is um a British actor in a series at the moment.
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:10.719
Well, he's done lots of things, but he's in a series at the moment that both LA and I are obsessed with called Trying.
01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:14.239
If you haven't seen Trying, oh my god, watch it immediately.
01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:17.119
Subscription to Apple TV and just binge it, yeah.
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:18.559
Absolute urgency.
01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:20.159
Do not wait a single second.
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:25.599
Get a subscription to Apple TV, watch every single episode of Trying and just never stop watching.
01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:26.639
I love this show.
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:28.880
I cry, I laugh, I just never wanted to end.
01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:34.960
And when they announced it was ending, I just went into like a state of We got to watch, we got to watch catatonic stay.
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:37.679
That's probably what's contributed to our breakdown this week, actually.
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:47.679
Well, we got to watch the season premiere together in when we were in my family and I were just in the UK, so we actually got to watch the newest season, the first episode together, which was really cool.
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:48.719
It's brilliant.
01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:49.920
I but I think so.
01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:56.559
The reason I chose him is because I think that he he immediately you go, oh, he's a comedic actor.
01:07:56.639 --> 01:07:57.599
And he is very funny.
01:07:57.679 --> 01:07:59.039
He's naturally very, very funny.
01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:07.760
But he also has, as you see in Trang, he also has these incredibly vulnerable moments, but also these quite um sort of weighty, heavy moments where you see him.
01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:12.239
So anyone that doesn't know Trang is essentially about a couple that is desperate to have children but can't.
01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:17.199
And so they adopt these um kids, and it's this just the chaos that ensues from adopting children.
01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:30.800
But it's also there are some really quite profound moments in this series where you see them really struggling to actually get the children and the kind of all the process and the kind of um, you know, bureaucracy that they have to go through to get these kids to adopt them.
01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:37.119
And actually, in those moments, I think you see a lot of these kind of quite strained moments between the two leading actors.
01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:40.239
And I just think Race Ball is so brilliant.
01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:51.279
I think he is uh has that kind of very decent man trying to do the right thing, not always getting it right, um, but really trying to kind of put his best foot forward.
01:08:51.359 --> 01:08:53.359
And I think that is very Murdoch, right?
01:08:53.439 --> 01:09:08.399
Like he is that kind of person, and I think that you see that both in the film, and of course, I think we've said this as like we say Titanic is basically flawless, with the exception of that one moment in in James Camp in, you know, where we're like, could have just could have done without that, you know.
01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:19.600
Well, he should have just made the officer a fictional officer because I mean, not to get too deep into the the historiography here, because this is let's be honest, this episode's not about history.
01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:27.359
Um but you know, there are there is one faction of the Titanic community that believes that it was Murdoch who killed himself.
01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:29.760
And there is some fair amount of evidence to support that.
01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:31.359
Of course, we'll never know.
01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:38.239
It's alleged, and there's no way you should never sully someone's name by trying to claim something is definitive when you we really could never know.
01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:45.840
Um, so you know, I I think he should have, if he wanted to portray that storyline, he should have just made it a fictional officer.
01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:47.279
And I don't think anybody would have cared.
01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:49.439
Just create a fictional officer and be done with it.
01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:56.479
But I think that again, I think, I mean, that ties into this sort of it's like the competence kind of thing, whether it did or didn't happen.
01:09:56.560 --> 01:10:00.239
It's the kind of in this film, you've got that sort of competence of sort of falling apart.
01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:12.079
And I think Spaul is really good at playing people who are making totally defensible decisions uh or decisions under pressure at speed, and they're kind of like falling apart, they're failing, they're a bit clunky.
01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:14.319
Um, and I just think he does that brilliantly.
01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:30.399
And I think actually we know him because of this brilliant comedy, but actually I think um he earns the space to kind of deliver a man who is kind of you know doing these sums and making these terrible decisions, uh, you know, making these decisions in terrible circumstances.
01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:32.720
So yeah, I I I think he's brilliant.
01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:35.520
I think it'd be different, but I think it'd be brilliant.
01:10:35.840 --> 01:10:37.359
No, I would be totally fine with this.
01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:39.920
You know who Rafe Spauld's father is, right?
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:40.640
No.
01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:41.760
Timothy Spahl's?
01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:43.039
Oh, yeah, no, no, sorry, of course.
01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:44.479
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:51.439
I just wanted to mention that too, because he uh he too is just like a wonderful actor and he's been in so much good stuff.
01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:56.000
So, but no, he I mean, so we have a lot of Nepo babies here, but it's fine.
01:10:56.159 --> 01:11:02.399
Um it's totally fine because that's just how Hollywood works, and I'm gonna say it's a better right now, you know.
01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:08.720
Um, no, I could totally see this, and I have him as a backup for something here in a minute.
01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:10.720
So um, okay.
01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:16.319
I think I want to make you close your eyes for the reveal because I think this is my next big one.
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:16.880
Okay.
01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:18.640
Uh yes, okay.
01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:20.319
Open your eyes.
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:21.439
Yeah.
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:26.560
I fucking love this man.
01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:27.279
I'm sorry.
01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:31.760
This guy does not get enough attention for being such a brilliant actor.
01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:32.880
I absolutely love it.
01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:34.640
Okay, I knew you were gonna go.
01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:36.479
I knew you were gonna freak out.
01:11:36.640 --> 01:11:40.640
Okay, so um Pablo likes Andrew Garpo a lot.
01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:41.760
I I do as well.
01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:52.319
I think Andrew Garfield is underappreciated, and often people just don't know what to do with him because he's like a leading man, but he's also a character actor, but he's also, you know.
01:11:52.640 --> 01:12:03.680
I think he has so much charisma, but he also has a sad, darker side to him that there's a lot to explore with.
01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:06.800
I think for Thomas Andrews, he is the perfect age.
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:08.720
He's got that this photo is a little old.
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:10.479
He's a little older than this now.
01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:18.880
Perfect age, perfect face to convey um all of the like sadness at the end, but also the joy at the beginning.
01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:26.479
I think if this movie were actually remade in 2026, this is exactly who they would go for.
01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:34.000
Um, like an actor with a lot of experience, but maybe in recent years hasn't gotten all the appreciation they deserve and has fallen off a little bit.
01:12:34.079 --> 01:12:37.760
But like, let's reinvigorate the career with like a move like this.
01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:40.319
Um, he's just fantastic.
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:44.800
So I don't know what else to say, but I knew I had to put him in somewhere.
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:48.560
And I thought about him for Murdoch, but then I was like, that's not a big enough role for him.
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:50.960
Like he would need the media role.
01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:55.039
And Thomas Andrews is the beating heart of the movie in a lot of ways.
01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:58.239
And I think Andrew Garfield has what it takes to pull it off.
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:02.000
Nothing to add.
01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:04.399
I no, no, I I totally agree.
01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:16.560
I so I tried so hard to find a role for Andrew Garfield, and I also was gonna put him here, I had him here and somewhere else, but then I had someone for Thomas Andrews that I just couldn't say no to, and so I had to sing him out.
01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:26.159
But I went through a whole process where I was like shoehorning into literally every single role, and I was like, maybe I just bump the ages up of everybody and I make Andrew Garfield the jack.
01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:33.199
Like, I just I well, I there's someone, there's someone that I really tried to shoehorn into anything that I could, and I couldn't get it to work.
01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:34.159
We'll talk about that.
01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:39.439
Um, but yeah, no, I just I knew you would appreciate this, but in my mind, there was nobody else.
01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:44.880
So no, I do agree, and I think um Andrew Garfield in period is he would be brilliant.
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:47.279
He looked great in the clothes.
01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:57.279
Yeah, could you just imagine him in the scene with Rose, like all the all the scenes with Rose talking to her, like the gentleness, but there's also like a darkness and a sadness there.
01:13:57.439 --> 01:14:07.680
I just think he has it, and I think he's like the right amount of famous, but also like getting a little older and maybe not getting as many leading man, you know, unfortunately, roles anymore.
01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:10.159
Like he's the perfect point in his career to do it.
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:10.960
Yeah.
01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:16.800
I agree, I agree, and I love Andrew Garfield, so any excuse to talk about Andrew Garfield is fine by me.
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:22.800
Um my Thomas Andrews, I went a little bit older, but I'm sorry.
01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:29.520
If you look at this photo and do not tell me that this is Thomas Andrews, then I just I just don't believe you.
01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:29.840
Okay.
01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:38.000
My Thomas Andrews is the incredible, iconic British actor Hugh Bonneville.
01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:39.199
Oh my god.
01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:43.279
And I'm sorry, tell me right now, that is not Thomas Bonneville.
01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:49.840
It's a slightly older take, but yes, I 100% that is Thomas Andrews, just a little older.
01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:50.159
Yeah.
01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:51.920
It is Thomas Andrews.
01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:53.119
He Hugh Bonneville.
01:14:53.359 --> 01:14:55.840
I mean, I I probably don't need to explain who Hugh Bonneville is.
01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:56.079
Everybody.
01:14:56.399 --> 01:15:01.199
I mean, anybody, anybody who's even seen Paddington knows the joys of Pew Bonneville.
01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:03.039
He's just like, he's incredible.
01:15:03.279 --> 01:15:04.159
He's so wonderful.
01:15:04.720 --> 01:15:16.640
But I I think the thing about Hugh Bonneville is that actually Paddington is a really good example because you he has this ability to bring like real authority to something that kind of shouldn't be there.
01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:27.920
Like he is, he can be incredibly funny, incredibly serious, um, a really versatile actor, but I think he brings real authority and authenticity to everything he does.
01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:33.199
Um, I I just think for something like Thomas Andrews, I'm thinking about the smoking scene stuff.
01:15:33.279 --> 01:15:35.119
I'm thinking about the staring at the painting.
01:15:35.199 --> 01:15:51.520
I'm thinking, you know, all of those moments, which again, small but so significant, those moments where he's doing the calculations in his head, Hugh Bonneville would nail those scenes, that kind of, you know, those massive moments where the calculations are like this ship is going to sink.
01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:56.079
Or like when he's talking about the lifeboats with Rose, going over the math and everything.
01:15:56.239 --> 01:15:56.560
Yeah, yeah.
01:15:57.039 --> 01:15:57.199
Yeah.
01:15:57.359 --> 01:15:58.560
He just can brings that.
01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:01.920
And obviously, of course, he's done Down to Nabi, which is very Titanic vibes.
01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:06.079
It actually begins, if anyone doesn't know Downtown Abbey, begins with the sinking of Titanic.
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:16.399
Well, you know, my I've told you my theory that the Gilded Age is uh going to end with um, I believe the Gilded Age will end with um with Titanic.
01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:22.960
I think it will end with John Jacob Astor getting on Titanic because right now in the Gilded Age, we've been introduced to that part of the Astor family.
01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:28.800
And I think it I I predict he's gonna do the cheeky thing of ending the Gilded Age with Titanic.
01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:29.279
That's right.
01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:29.680
Yeah.
01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:31.600
Well, I mean, it's all intertwined, right?
01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:36.319
But I think, you know, uh just Hugh Bonneville, I just I I don't I don't need to explain it.
01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:40.239
If I have to explain why Hugh Bonneville is Thomas Andrews, then you just you're failing.
01:16:40.640 --> 01:16:50.239
Well, and it would be it's an older interpretation of of Thomas Andrews, but honestly, it really doesn't matter because if you think about it in the 97 movie, they never mention that he has a young daughter.
01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:53.359
They don't talk about, you know, like so it really doesn't matter.
01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:57.039
Like you just don't mention that, and it doesn't matter what age he is, really.
01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:04.640
You know, like someone in the job he's in could be anyone, anywhere from like their 20s to their 70s, like it just doesn't matter, you know.
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:08.319
Um, yeah, no, that's that's I it's a plus.
01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:10.399
I will give you a plus.
01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:11.600
All right.
01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:14.880
Next we have oh, that's it.
01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:17.039
So I think then we just have honorable mentions.
01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:19.520
Is that all of our I think that's it?
01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:20.399
Did I miss anybody?
01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:22.560
I think I got it because we cut out Fabrizio.
01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:24.880
We did cut out Fabrizio, yeah.
01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:28.159
Um, so I'm going to reveal.
01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:30.319
Well, I'll just say, listen.
01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:34.800
I know people listening are probably gonna think, like, well, what about old Rose?
01:17:35.039 --> 01:17:37.760
Uh to be quite honest, we found that boring.
01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:45.840
Um, I think that any actress worth her salt over the age of 80 in the right age makeup could play Rose.
01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:52.159
I'm not all love to Gloria Stewart, but that just wasn't a conversation that I needed to have in my mind.
01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:53.279
You know what I mean?
01:17:53.520 --> 01:17:57.199
Um, we did think about casting Fabrizio and Tommy.
01:17:57.279 --> 01:18:00.159
Um, and we can mention some of that in honorable mentions.
01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:04.000
I think those are roles that could be filled by a lot of people.
01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:09.039
Um, I think in the role of Tommy, you know, I I had sent Pablo a screenshot of an Irish actor.
01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:19.359
I just think like there's a lot of good options, and it would have been fun to go down the line even to the smaller characters, but we only have a certain amount of time, and it just is what it is.
01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:30.079
So a few people we have not done, but what we tried to do was like the core, the core ones where it's like these are the beating heart of the movie, they're you know, they have the most screen time.
01:18:30.399 --> 01:18:36.800
So that's what we rolled with, um, you know, and we didn't really worry about the more present-day storyline.
01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:39.039
We decided to not try to recast that.
01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:39.359
Yeah.
01:18:39.520 --> 01:18:48.720
Um, although I would just, as one of my honorable mentions, like to point out that for Louis Bodine, if you don't put Jack Black in that role just for fun, like what?
01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:50.880
You know, what are you doing?
01:18:51.520 --> 01:19:06.159
Um but before I forget, I would also like to say that my children were participating in this a little bit and they they have required me to say that they really wanted to see Steve Martin in Titanic.
01:19:06.319 --> 01:19:11.439
And I said, I just don't know where because they love Steve Martin, which who doesn't live love Steve Martin.
01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:12.479
I grew up on Steve Martin.
01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:13.680
I don't know where to put him.
01:19:13.840 --> 01:19:22.560
So we talked about it and we decided to go with Archibald Gracie being quite elderly and it's Steve Martin with a little mustache.
01:19:22.960 --> 01:19:37.760
So I just want to give that plug that a nice cameo in a recast would basically be Steve Martin in a couple of scenes as a fun cameo as Archibald Gracie with his cigar and a and a little mustache, which I think could be cool.
01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:40.479
So I had to put that out there before I forget.
01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:47.359
Um so do you want to just like go down the list of a few honorable mentions?
01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:52.560
Or should we just like why don't I just do mine and then you just do yours and we'll just kind of batch it?
01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:52.960
Okay.
01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:59.680
So I did not have time to add pictures to these yet, um, but I can get pictures to you or you can look them up.
01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:00.720
Um okay.
01:20:01.359 --> 01:20:08.000
So I have Rafe Spahl, who we just talked about um as Thomas Andrews as my backup.
01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:24.479
I thought he would be a really good Andrew, basically for all of the reasons I gave for Andrew Garfield and all of the reasons you gave for Human, but I just think like there's a beautiful combination of like endearing and comedic, but also seriousness.
01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:27.520
Um, so he was definitely in contention for me.
01:20:27.680 --> 01:20:33.359
Um, so uh my backup for Rose was an actress named Emma Myers.
01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:41.520
Um, she is on the the show Wednesday on Netflix, is where she got her start a few years ago.
01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:49.920
And I didn't want to pair her with the actor who also appears on Wednesday because it would look like I was just making a Wednesday pairing.
01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:54.079
Uh, but I do think that she would be incredible.
01:20:54.319 --> 01:21:03.279
Um, she's got like the ethereal sort of like face um that would look really great in period makeup and costuming.
01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:04.960
She's a really great actress.
01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:10.880
She's got this like young kind of innocence, but she also is capable of playing like really feisty.
01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:15.920
Um, so she was a very close um second for me on Rose.
01:21:16.239 --> 01:21:24.159
Um I wanted to shoehorn Hudson Williams in here somewhere so desperately.
01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:27.199
Um, he is the other actor from He Did Rivalry.
01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:32.560
He is an uh Canadian actor who is he's half Korean, he's half white, half Korean.
01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:48.079
Um I I considered making him Jack and saying, like, what a what a fun and unique way to interpret Jack that, like, maybe one of the reasons everyone looks down their noses at him is he also is an immigrant in the sense that he is biracial.
01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:55.279
Um and at that time period, that would have marked him unfortunately horribly in that um setting.
01:21:55.439 --> 01:21:58.880
Um, so I thought that would be an interesting way to also do it.
01:21:59.119 --> 01:22:02.880
But I gotta be honest, the man is too jacked to be Jack.
01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:04.399
I mean, you just Google him.
01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:07.680
He's too muscular, looks great.
01:22:07.840 --> 01:22:10.960
Um, he's too jacked, that doesn't fit.
01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:14.560
And um, he's probably like a little too old.
01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:20.479
Um, I think he's on the upper end of a little too old for Jack because Jack needs to be like young manic pixie dream boy.
01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:25.600
Um, so I really wanted to shoe her in, but I just couldn't make it work for anything.
01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:27.600
So shout out to Hudson.
01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:32.720
Um, an interesting one I thought about is the comedian Bob Mortimer for Lovejoy.
01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:38.880
Um, I know Bob Mortimer from watching work, we do our VPN and watch all the British comedy shows.
01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:44.399
So we watch like A Last One Laughing and we watch Taskmaster and all this, and he's always on those.
01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:46.239
Um, my kids love him.
01:22:46.399 --> 01:23:00.239
Uh, I just thought it would be it would be an interesting choice to go like a comedian for Lovejoy, who's trying to not necessarily break into dramatic acting, but just kind of doing a bit as a dramatic actor.
01:23:00.319 --> 01:23:03.760
I thought that might be like an interesting way to go with it.
01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:08.159
Um I want to save the other one for last.
01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:13.199
Um, Olivia, Olivia Coleman as Molly Brown.
01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:15.920
Um, I just fucking love Olivia Coleman.
01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:30.479
I mean nobody can play scattered and like, what is going on better than Olivia Coleman, but she also, you know, can play demure and ice queen, and she just can do everything.
01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:31.920
She's also hilarious.
01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:35.039
And we talked about with Molly, like it has to be someone who's funny.
01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:36.800
Olivia Coleman's hilarious.
01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:41.600
She's just again one of the greatest actresses of of her generation.
01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:46.239
Um, The Favorite is one of my great of my favorite movies of all time.
01:23:46.399 --> 01:23:53.840
Um, anyone who likes period pieces and has never watched The Favor, do yourself a favor and go watch it tonight.
01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:55.199
It's incredible.
01:23:55.359 --> 01:23:58.399
Um, so anyway, she's my backup for Molly.
01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:03.680
And then my last one we can talk about and then segue into your honorable mentions.
01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:09.279
I have an honorable mention of Kate Winslett as Ruth Jewett Bucator.
01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:12.079
Now, I didn't, I didn't go with it.
01:24:12.159 --> 01:24:18.239
It felt too stunt casty, but I didn't because I also cast her daughter as Rose.
01:24:18.479 --> 01:24:22.720
But that would be a very particular way to go with this recast.
01:24:23.119 --> 01:24:25.840
I think there's a world in which it totally works.
01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:29.359
She's exactly the right age, right look now.
01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:34.319
Obviously, they are mother and daughter, so it would look exactly right.
01:24:34.479 --> 01:24:36.640
Um, but I didn't do it.
01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:38.960
I just I couldn't pull the trigger on it.
01:24:39.119 --> 01:24:42.640
Um, but we found out that we had both done that.
01:24:43.279 --> 01:24:43.439
Yeah.
01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:44.479
We had both done that.
01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:47.680
And also when I had a discussion with my dad, he also suggested it.
01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:54.960
So three people suggested this as we all for some reason were on the same page uh with that one.
01:24:55.680 --> 01:24:57.680
Um yeah, that's funny.
01:24:57.920 --> 01:25:01.920
Okay, so I do you want to see my Fabrizio?
01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:02.960
Because you mentioned him earlier.
01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:03.920
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:05.279
I just forgot to die.
01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:09.760
I was having trouble with Fabrizio and I picked um where is this actor?
01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:10.960
I'll show you who I picked.
01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:13.920
Oh no, my thread's gone.
01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:18.319
Where maybe it's in my no, I'm not gonna be able to find it.
01:25:18.479 --> 01:25:21.439
Um it was just forget it then.
01:25:21.520 --> 01:25:29.680
It was an actor who was like came out of Cannes this year or can this year and had like made a splash in a couple of Italian movies, and people think he's gonna try.
01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:32.399
It just was like a me looking for an Italian actor.
01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:34.960
My thing was see, I I didn't do that.
01:25:35.119 --> 01:25:40.159
I didn't choose an Italian actor because I thought if we're gonna go Hollywood, then we'd go Hollywood.
01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:50.800
And I was trying to be like very woke and very aware of like if it was an Italian character in 2026, studios would demand that it's 100%.
01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:53.119
You are not gonna like who I've chosen.
01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:56.479
So I I went with Timothy Sharman.
01:25:57.199 --> 01:25:58.239
Oh my god.
01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:02.880
I think there's something of Fabrizio in Timothy.
01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:04.000
I think you know what?
01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:05.600
I honestly will give you that.
01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:08.880
I listen, I Pablo knows I've been on a journey with Tim.
01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:11.279
I have met Timothy Chalamet, you know this.
01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:13.760
Um I I could see it.
01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:14.640
I could see it.
01:26:14.720 --> 01:26:16.880
I he's had such a wacky career.
01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:19.359
Like I his choices are very interesting.
01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:27.760
Like I was a big put him at the front of Titanic doing the I can see the Statue of Liberty already, dude.
01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:32.159
You know, it's just I I there's I could see it, you know.
01:26:33.039 --> 01:26:34.479
I mean, I'm not necessarily his biggest fan.
01:26:34.560 --> 01:26:42.239
I I mean I'm I'm actually I don't I don't think I've seen that many things of him in, but I just there's something of there's a bit of uh bit of fab in there.
01:26:42.560 --> 01:26:56.159
Um I actually think that's a kind of a genius move because I I think Timothy Chalamet, everybody wants to, everybody immediately wanted him to be like a leading man, swoon over, but he's weird.
01:26:56.319 --> 01:27:03.920
He's we you know, like I think if he's going to have a successful career, he would more embrace the like weird, kind of quirky stuff.
01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:07.680
So um I actually can really see it in a little hat.
01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:09.359
What if he was in a little hat?
01:27:09.520 --> 01:27:10.399
This is what I mean.
01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:10.960
I know.
01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:12.800
Listen, look at these, look at this, right?
01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:14.720
Look at that, and then look at this.
01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:17.279
I just think I'm sorry, there's something there.
01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:18.560
There is.
01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:22.159
Yeah, it's definitely he needs the little hat.
01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:22.720
Yeah.
01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:27.439
So my next one was so I was trying to also show you horn.
01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:33.199
And listen, here's here's the truth about why what is about to happen is about to happen.
01:27:33.359 --> 01:27:45.439
Um, and that is that if I'm casting a film, um, especially Titanic, there is absolutely no way that Billy Piper is not involved.
01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:49.439
If I have to invent a role for this woman or change an existing one, she has to be in it.
01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:53.119
I mean, I haven't spoken to her about it yet, but that's a cross the bridge when we get there kind of thing.
01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:59.760
So I did go with Billy Piper as Rose because actually, well, first of all, Billy Piper is the greatest.
01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:00.319
Actor.
01:28:00.479 --> 01:28:02.880
I mean, she can do literally anything.
01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:08.560
But I think if we just up the age of Rose a wee bit, put Billy Piper in as Rose.
01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:13.439
I mean, not only did she play Rose in another show, but Billy Piper could pull it off.
01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:15.840
She can do any acting on the planet.
01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:21.520
And I just think a film, Titanic, with Billy Piper as Rose.
01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:26.720
And therefore I had to also raise the age of Jack, which means you get Jeremy Irvine.
01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:27.279
Oh my.
01:28:28.159 --> 01:28:28.880
I'm sorry.
01:28:29.039 --> 01:28:34.399
Tell me right now, you are not watching a recast of Titanic with Jeremy Irvine and Billy Piper as the leads.
01:28:34.479 --> 01:28:35.359
I'm sorry, that film is a lot of people.
01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:39.279
I like I like I like Jeremy.
01:28:39.359 --> 01:28:40.239
I really do.
01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:51.199
It's just that he ended up in this horrible prequel to Outlander called Blood of My Blood, which is the most like just they're trying to grab money off this thing by beating a dead horse.
01:28:51.279 --> 01:28:53.119
It's the worst prequel I've ever seen in my life.
01:28:53.199 --> 01:28:55.199
It like ruined Outlander for me.
01:28:55.279 --> 01:28:56.880
So I'm just mad at it.
01:28:57.199 --> 01:29:00.000
But I do, he's beautiful and he's a great actor.
01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:04.159
But I just think that the ages are too old.
01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:07.840
Listen, you know, listen, we are we are upping the age of this film.
01:29:08.239 --> 01:29:09.840
I know, but then how does the story work?
01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:11.039
Because listen, I don't care.
01:29:11.600 --> 01:29:13.920
Listen, as a woman, let me tell you something.
01:29:14.079 --> 01:29:24.399
If I meet a vagabond who is almost 40 years old and doesn't have$10, I don't, I'm not interested.
01:29:24.479 --> 01:29:25.039
You know what I mean?
01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:26.880
Listen, I hear you, I hear you.
01:29:26.960 --> 01:29:27.760
It's a different film.
01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:35.359
It's a different film, but I'm telling you now, as the casting director of Titanic, there is no way that Betty Piper is not in this film.
01:29:35.439 --> 01:29:36.319
She is too good not to be.
01:29:36.560 --> 01:29:37.840
Well, then she needs to be Ruth.
01:29:37.920 --> 01:29:38.800
She needs to be Ruth.
01:29:39.039 --> 01:29:47.119
Well, see, I was going to make her Ruth, but then I was I was concerned that she might be angry at me if I put if I if I casted her as Ruth, so I had to put her as Rose.
01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:49.439
Because how old is she?
01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:53.279
She is Pablo, she's 43 years old.
01:29:53.359 --> 01:29:54.880
She's yeah, but look at her.
01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:56.880
She can put she can play 17.
01:29:57.600 --> 01:30:02.800
Listen, this this is absolutely there is no objectivity here.
01:30:02.960 --> 01:30:06.399
This is absolutely just blind, blind loyalty.
01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:07.520
She would be Ruth.
01:30:08.479 --> 01:30:09.039
She would be Ruth.
01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:11.279
She can be whatever the fuck she wants to be, actually.
01:30:11.439 --> 01:30:12.479
She listen, she listened.
01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:14.399
I would go to her like, who do you want to be?
01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:15.520
I'll just make you a role.
01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:17.039
You could be whatever you want.
01:30:17.279 --> 01:30:18.319
We'll make a captain.
01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:21.359
You know how I mean, listen, I know how you feel.
01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:31.439
Like, if I if I wanted to do my real fan edit of this movie, I would just do male male and put the two heated rivalry guys and like on the bow of the ship, and we're done.
01:30:31.520 --> 01:30:32.560
Let's shoot some sexy.
01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:33.600
I'm sorry.
01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:37.279
Billy Piper and Jeremy Irving in the flying scene.
01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:42.560
I mean, I just the ages don't work for that story for me.
01:30:43.039 --> 01:30:43.279
Right.
01:30:43.359 --> 01:30:46.479
This this guy, this is my last episode.
01:30:47.359 --> 01:30:49.039
Friendship is over.
01:30:50.399 --> 01:30:51.279
That's okay.
01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:53.840
No, so it's the final straw.
01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:55.359
Yeah, that's it.
01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:57.520
Um also actually look at this.
01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:02.880
I put this in to remind you, Buddy Piper did also, you know, when she was a pop star, she did a whole thing with the city.
01:31:03.039 --> 01:31:07.680
I know because you were at my house and showed this to my family.
01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:08.720
I know this.
01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:09.039
Okay.
01:31:09.359 --> 01:31:17.760
My other, my other Ruth, my other Ruth, this is gonna mean nothing to you, LA, and this is gonna mean nothing to most of your um to your listeners, actually.
01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:20.880
But to British people, this is gonna mean everything.
01:31:21.119 --> 01:31:24.560
Well, do you know that almost 40% of my listeners are British?
01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:25.600
Oh, okay.
01:31:25.680 --> 01:31:31.600
Well, in that case, in that case, guys, buckle up to who I actually I'm serious.
01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:40.560
Who better to play Ruth than Linda from East Enders?
01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:41.039
Listen.
01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:42.319
Oh my gosh.
01:31:42.560 --> 01:31:48.479
Linda from East Enders, she is, she is chaotic.
01:31:48.800 --> 01:31:49.840
She can scream.
01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:51.920
This is gonna get people commenting.
01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:54.079
People are gonna lose their mind over this one.
01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:56.479
Listen, I'm telling you now.
01:31:56.720 --> 01:32:05.520
I'm telling you that Linda from East Enders, you get a you get someone who is, she's been serving drinks to people in the pub.
01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:10.399
She has been through it all, she has seen some stuff in that pub in the Queen Beck.
01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:17.119
Um, and she is the only person who could take that Queen Beck onto the boat deck of Titanic and deliver a.
01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:33.359
I mean, listen, it is gonna be a different type of of Ruth, but this is this is peak, this is peak British acting from East Enders, or pre pre peak British soap acting into Titanic.
01:32:33.520 --> 01:32:37.920
I just think the corset scene, Linda from East Enders doing the corset scene.
01:32:38.079 --> 01:32:44.880
Oh my god, this is it transforms this film, and I think honestly, it's a genius pick.
01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:47.520
I'm not, I won't argue with you.
01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:51.359
It's a different vibe, but it's it's a very different vibe, but it could be amazing.
01:32:51.439 --> 01:32:52.960
Yeah, I had Nelson McCarthy as well.
01:32:53.199 --> 01:32:54.800
Nelson McCarthy is my name, yeah.
01:32:55.119 --> 01:33:00.000
And then I really wanted to find a role for Tiger Drew Honey because he is a brilliant actor.
01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:05.279
I was thinking maybe a bit Jack, but he's a little bit too old to be Jack, but you may remember, of course, he was in Titanic Things tonight.
01:33:05.439 --> 01:33:08.319
So well, number one, I can't say two things.
01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:11.279
One, he has the best name ever.
01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:15.119
Like, there's no better name than that, Tiger Drew Honey.
01:33:15.279 --> 01:33:16.960
Um, two, I think, you know what?
01:33:17.119 --> 01:33:18.880
Let's cast him in someone we didn't do.
01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:20.239
I know who he is.
01:33:20.880 --> 01:33:22.000
I know who he is.
01:33:22.079 --> 01:33:23.600
He's Officer Lowe.
01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:32.800
You know, when you said about adding Murdoch, I nearly asked if we could swap to Lowe so I could so I could do that.
01:33:32.960 --> 01:33:35.600
We should have just added we should have done lie, taller, and low.
01:33:35.680 --> 01:33:49.359
We should have added those in, but I just didn't it when it got when it gets to too many, then it's like I wanted the episode to be the amount of time people could sit down and listen in one listen and you know um yeah, but I think he's our our officer low.
01:33:49.760 --> 01:34:00.880
So I have one final addition, which is that I am also, even though this is sacrilege, because listen, I think Celine Dion is the most extraordinary singer.
01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:09.920
However, if I am casting this film, I'm also choosing a singer, and there is no way that the singer is not Diana Vickers because I just I knew it.
01:34:11.680 --> 01:34:12.319
I knew it.
01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:15.600
I told John I was like, he's picking Diana Vickers.
01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:19.680
I actually didn't pick one because I knew you would pick Diana Vickers and I wouldn't want to argue with you.
01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:20.880
It is non-negotiable.
01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:24.640
But it and honestly, I couldn't think of anyone better.
01:34:24.880 --> 01:34:32.319
Um, you know, I think like the obvious choice for who would do it now, who would ask to be do it now would probably be Adele.
01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:34.399
Um, but I think that's so boring.
01:34:34.720 --> 01:34:34.960
Yeah.
01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:39.039
And I think, I mean, people are gonna write, but I think Adele's music is boring.
01:34:39.119 --> 01:34:40.960
Um yeah, people are gonna write over that.
01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:46.960
I think that I I choose Diana Vickers, A, because she's my all-time favorite singer.
01:34:47.039 --> 01:34:49.520
There's absolutely, again, no objectivity here.
01:34:49.600 --> 01:34:54.000
I think she's the greatest singer, but I also think she brings something completely different to Celine Dion.
01:34:54.159 --> 01:34:56.640
Celine Dion is like a big powerhouse singer.
01:34:56.880 --> 01:35:03.760
Celine Dion and uh Diana Vickers has this like very unique, kind of husky, kind of kind of scratchy voice.
01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:06.239
It's very, very unique, very, very different.
01:35:06.399 --> 01:35:09.279
Um, back in the day, she used to be called the kind of marmite singer.
01:35:09.359 --> 01:35:11.119
And I just think, I mean, I love her.
01:35:11.199 --> 01:35:12.000
I love everything about her.
01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:13.600
I think she's just the most fabulous singer.
01:35:13.680 --> 01:35:15.199
Um, she's just amazing.
01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:23.359
But I think, I mean, I have also seen her cover It's All Coming Back to Me Now, and it was brilliant, absolutely brilliant.
01:35:23.600 --> 01:35:33.600
And this is a public lobby for her to cover My Heart Will Go On, so I can be proven right that in my recasting of Titanic, Diana Vickers is the Celine Dion.
01:35:34.079 --> 01:35:36.479
Well, I won't have another word said about it.
01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:45.760
No, I I won't argue with this, but I will get a plug-in for my dream scenario, which I don't think would happen, but you know it's coming.
01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:52.000
I, you know, and it might be because like if this were truly remade, it would be the biggest thing in the world.
01:35:52.239 --> 01:36:00.079
But I would love for Taylor Swift to do it because I think she could, she's capable of like putting a spin on something in her very unique way.
01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:03.199
And she, you know, some people I'm in love.
01:36:03.760 --> 01:36:06.079
Taylor Swift is very divisive these days.
01:36:06.159 --> 01:36:06.560
I get it.
01:36:06.720 --> 01:36:08.720
I am firmly in the Taylor Swift camp.
01:36:08.800 --> 01:36:10.640
I love her, we'll always love her.
01:36:10.880 --> 01:36:13.920
Um, and I would love to see her do that.
01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:15.760
I think it would be really, really cool.
01:36:16.399 --> 01:36:17.680
I think you have to do something.
01:36:17.760 --> 01:36:20.079
I think like you can't replace Celine Dion.
01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:46.000
I think that's why like something like Taylor Swift, something like Diana Vickers, they're they're you do you remember when um well you might not remember this because Simon Carl, I know he's like more of a British person, although he is known in America, is that when James Cameron was doing the first Avatar, they um they cast Leona Lewis to do the the the theme song I see you, and everyone was like, oh my god, it's like the new Celine Dion, the new My Hot Will Go One.
01:36:46.079 --> 01:36:47.520
And I was like, no, it's really, really not.
01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:51.439
There is only one Celine Dion because she has that voice and only she has that voice.
01:36:51.520 --> 01:37:03.119
And Leon Lewis is a great singer, by the way, but I think it's they I think they tried to replicate the Celine Dion My Hot Will Go On moment with the Leon Lewis Nice CU and Avatar, and it just didn't quite work.
01:37:03.199 --> 01:37:08.479
And I think that's why if we're recasting here, there is no way I'm trying to replicate Celine Dion because it just can't happen.
01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:09.840
I don't think Taylor Swift is sweet.
01:37:10.479 --> 01:37:11.439
I don't think Diana Vickers is sweet.
01:37:11.680 --> 01:37:12.880
No, and they're so different.
01:37:13.439 --> 01:37:14.319
They're so different.
01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:33.439
I just think that if you were to pick someone to sing it in 2026 and you wanted the virality, you wanted it to be big, you wanted, you know, it's like she just did the Taylor just did the theme song from the latest Toy Story movie, and people like lost their shit and it became like number one on all platforms, like and it's a song from a movie, you know.
01:37:33.520 --> 01:37:37.520
So I think like if you want that to happen, you in 2026 you get Taylor.
01:37:37.600 --> 01:37:39.279
Like, I think that could happen.
01:37:39.680 --> 01:37:49.439
Um well, I I am very intrigued by all of this, and I would love to.
01:37:50.159 --> 01:37:51.039
Oh, you know what?
01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:52.720
There's one more honorable mention.
01:37:52.800 --> 01:37:54.960
I had forgotten to written to write it on there.
01:37:55.279 --> 01:37:57.279
She is too old now.
01:37:57.439 --> 01:37:58.800
She's by no means old.
01:37:58.960 --> 01:38:02.079
She's maybe 30, um, maybe 31.
01:38:02.479 --> 01:38:09.520
But a few years ago when she was younger, and I saw her in Little Women and a few other things.
01:38:09.680 --> 01:38:14.319
I turned to John and I said, you know, Florence Pugh could be Rose.
01:38:14.479 --> 01:38:18.399
I mean, she embodies, she's like the Kate Winslot of her day.
01:38:18.560 --> 01:38:20.560
She's done so many amazing roles.
01:38:20.640 --> 01:38:22.079
She's an incredible actress.
01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:25.840
Obviously, she was nominated for an Oscar at a very young age for Little Women.
01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:29.119
Um, she has that very ethereal round face.
01:38:29.359 --> 01:38:31.359
Like she just the open eyes.
01:38:31.600 --> 01:38:38.079
Um, I think if we were doing this five years ago, she would have been my number one choice for Rose, hands down.
01:38:38.239 --> 01:38:42.079
But I think she's kind of aged out of the part, which is why it didn't include her.
01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:46.880
And she looks amazing in period costume, as we've seen by a lot of roles she's already done.
01:38:46.960 --> 01:38:48.720
So, and I I love her, I adore her.
01:38:48.800 --> 01:38:57.520
So she's definitely an if we were going to cast Rose as more like into her 20s, would be her.
01:38:57.680 --> 01:39:00.960
But I just I stand by Jack and Rose have to be super young.
01:39:01.039 --> 01:39:02.479
This is what this is.
01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:06.079
Um definitely Piper.
01:39:07.039 --> 01:39:07.600
Sure.
01:39:09.279 --> 01:39:10.239
Um, all right.
01:39:10.319 --> 01:39:33.279
Well, in the in the in the hopes of keeping this to an amount of time that people can listen to in one listen, we will wrap up, but we will end by saying that we truly, truly hope people will um give us their lists and share with us what they think we got right, what we think, what they think we got wrong, um, who their top picks are.
01:39:33.520 --> 01:39:34.960
I really, truly would love it.
01:39:35.039 --> 01:39:40.960
So feel free to send those along on Instagram um or via email if you want to go sort of the old-fashioned way.
01:39:41.039 --> 01:39:50.000
Um, but the next episode that I do, maybe I'll save some space um for going over people's lists, or maybe that might be a Patreon thing that I do that might be fun.
01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:54.720
So, so send those along and share them on Instagram and tag the podcast.
01:39:54.880 --> 01:39:58.800
Um, but yeah, this has been this has been really fucking fun.
01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:01.119
This has been what we needed.
01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:03.359
This has been what we needed.
01:40:03.840 --> 01:40:19.279
For many, for many um undisclosed reasons, Pablo and I needed uh we both needed a um just throw all, throw everything to the wind and just indulge our completely escapist uh brain.
01:40:19.520 --> 01:40:37.199
We needed it, it was here for us, and we hope that you find this episode on a day where the world might be a little too much for you and this pops into your feed and you're like, holy shit, yes, this is a fun exercise, and I'm gonna go disappear into this for a couple of hours.
01:40:37.359 --> 01:40:45.920
Like, I hope that provides the service to some of you guys as well, um, especially headed into, you know, like I don't know.
01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:52.800
I mean, I I just feel like the world is the world can canon is very dark at spots right now.
01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:57.039
And I've always wanted this podcast to be something people can sort of, you know.
01:40:57.119 --> 01:41:05.279
But I think a lot of a lot of longtime listeners, I know from talking to you guys and interacting with you guys for years now, you're gonna, I think you're gonna love this.
01:41:05.439 --> 01:41:08.960
And this is just in the spirit of fun and putting a smile on your face.
01:41:09.039 --> 01:41:10.319
So I hope it's done that.
01:41:10.640 --> 01:41:15.039
And we will see you, Pablo, inevitably back soon.
01:41:15.199 --> 01:41:19.359
It's it's always well you redeemed yourself by bringing in Andre Garfield.
01:41:19.439 --> 01:41:22.399
There was a moment where I was considering not coming back, but Andre Garfield played the right.
01:41:22.800 --> 01:41:23.039
I knew.
01:41:23.119 --> 01:41:25.760
I threw, I threw him in there to ensure that.
01:41:47.119 --> 01:41:53.279
In the meantime, I'm gonna go down some suggestions I already got in from Instagram for Cal and for Thomas Andrews.
01:41:53.439 --> 01:42:03.600
You know, what's crazy is that I the other day I was um sitting around just working on the clip art on Canva for the Cal, the little cow um thing on Instagram.
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And uh my husband John was like, Who's Kaladin Hockley?
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Even though it was a picture of Billy Zane, all you know, albeit with his eyes blacked out, and then the words Kaladin Hawkley.
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And I was like, What do you mean?
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Who else could it be?
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And he's like, I thought it was Calvin Hockley, and his his brain could not comprehend Kaladin Hockley.
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And I'm like, no, that's that's canon.
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Let me blow your mind, Kaladin Hockley.
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Okay.
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Uh, first off, longtime listener of the podcast and longtime supporter, shout out Kelsey.
01:42:31.199 --> 01:42:35.359
Uh, she suggested Noah Wiley or Arnold Vosloo, who I had to look up.
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He's from The Mummy, a little bit older, but definitely like Billy Zane vibes.
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Um, Angie, also longtime uh supporter of the podcast and just awesome human.
01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:52.800
Um, so like honestly, like it's so cool how many of you I've gotten to know over the years, um, which is why Instagram is great.
01:42:52.880 --> 01:43:00.720
I think like Instagram has created problems in our society, but there's also a lot of great that comes out of it too, um, for something like my podcast.
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Okay.
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So Angie suggests um Chris Pratt.
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Um, let's see, that would be I it's almost like I could see it because he's so handsome and he's a little bit older now, but it would have to be him with kind of a villain turn.
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But you know, it's fun to see people who don't typically do villain roles do villain roles.
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All right, we have two votes for Robert Pattinson, one from Matt and one from Molly.
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And I'm like, I can see it.
01:43:28.880 --> 01:43:32.319
I mean, his career in a good way is just all over the fucking place.
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And I appreciate that.
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He's doing really interesting stuff.
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He's about to be um, his next film is like he's playing Chris Hansen from How to Catch a Predator.
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Wild.
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Um, let's see.
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Um, if you were someone whose handle on Instagram does not include your name, uh, and or I was just wasn't familiar with you in a way to sort of figure out what your first name might be from your profile, I didn't want to assume.
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And I also just didn't want to start saying people's profile names.
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So um for some of these, I'm just gonna say the suggestion.
01:44:01.039 --> 01:44:06.079
Um, someone suggested Glenn Powell and said, considering he was a fictional character, um, unlike Mr.
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Andrews, I don't feel the need to stay in a box with it.
01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:09.520
That's a good point.
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Um Lauren said Austin Butler, maybe not the most obvious choice, but right age, handsome, can play a villain.
01:44:18.079 --> 01:44:18.880
Good point.
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Uh, someone suggested Finn Whitrock.
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I'm not sure I know who that is.
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And someone suggested Zach Efron.
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So that's a, I mean, honestly, it's fun because you can make a case for pretty much anybody if you have a vision.
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Okay.
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Uh, Thomas Andrews, here's some suggestions that we had come in.
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Kelsey suggested Colin Farrell.
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Angie blew my mind with this one, suggested Jude Law.
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And I thought, yes, like this would be a very sweet and endearing turn for Jude Law.
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I love Jude Law.
01:44:50.479 --> 01:44:53.840
Angie and I recorded a whole episode about the holiday a couple of years ago.
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Uh oh, Kelsey also suggested Pierce Brosnan.
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Let's see.
01:44:57.840 --> 01:45:03.119
Jen, also longtime supporter of the podcast, Hey Jen, um, suggested Tom Hanks.
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And I said, you know, like any film with Tom Hanks in it is better.
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So I mean, can't argue with that.
01:45:09.600 --> 01:45:17.279
Um, Lauren said, um, thinking of a Northern Irish actor first came that that came to mind was Jamie Dornen.
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Um, and she references the film Belfast.
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And we ended up having a little mini conversation about that on Instagram because the film Belfast is amazing.
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Jamie Dornen is incredible in it.
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And this is probably my top um pick from these suggestions.
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Jamie Dornen is incredible.
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And Lauren, I may have said your suggestion, I may have said your name for your suggestion for Cal is Laura, and that might have been a mistake, but it's Lauren.
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So thank you, Lauren, for all of your interaction on Instagram.
01:45:44.319 --> 01:45:46.560
That's a really great suggestion.
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Someone suggested Domel Gleason.
01:45:48.880 --> 01:45:55.840
Uh someone suggested James Pancott, aka um host of the Witness Titanic podcast, who's been on this podcast.
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I mean, uh, James, do you act?
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I'm I could see it.
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You have the look.
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Let's let's roll with it.
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Um, someone suggested Andrew Scott, great suggestion.
01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:08.399
Someone suggested Orlando Bloom, someone suggested Keanu Reeves.
01:46:08.560 --> 01:46:14.960
So it's some a lot of like really great conversations um that popped up because of this on Instagram.
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So again, you know, if you are someone who does Instagram and you haven't joined over there, um, it's where I get a lot of great ideas and it's where I've interacted with a lot of longtime listeners and built even, you know, like friendships from there.
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So uh pop on over if you haven't.
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And in the meantime, you could also, you can also email your list if you want to just send your recast list, and I will record some more uh to add whenever I do another episode.
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All right.
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Till next time.
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I hope you enjoyed this.
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This is so fun to do.
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Bye bye.