OM DENNE EPISODE
Guest Introduction
Key Topics Covered
Current Google Search "Meta"
Content Creation Strategy
User Knowledge Levels
Google Query Classification
Evolution of SERP Features
The Future of Search
SEO Tools Mentioned
Technical SEO Insights
People Referenced
Resources
Live Test Examples
Upcoming Developments
SEO Conferences Mentioned
Contact Information
- Mark Williams-Cook: Director of Kanda (formerly Candour SEO agency)
- Creator of Also Asked, a search intent research tool
- Publisher of Core Updates Newsletter
- Host of SEO Patent Podcast
- 20+ years of SEO experience
Key Topics Covered
Current Google Search "Meta"
- Google's algorithm favors brand-like signals over traditional relevance
- Example: The Vatican website ranking for CBD gummies after being hacked
- Mark describes this as "a bandaid for the shortfalls that have been magnified in Google's algorithm because of Gen.ai"
Content Creation Strategy
- Video-first approach: "Start at video and work backwards" using transcription tools
- Particularly effective for client information: "If you are having to get information, especially from clients, sometimes trying to get clients to write an article is like getting blood out of a stone"
- Allows natural expertise to flow: "They will happily talk your ear off"
- Tools turn video into written content without "regurgitating stuff"
User Knowledge Levels
- Google has patents for understanding user expertise through search patterns
- Demonstrated in People Also Ask (PAA) results showing different questions based on perceived knowledge
- Example: Car dealership knowledge levels
- Novice: "Red car under $20k near me"
- Intermediate: "2024 Honda Civic MPG vs Toyota Corolla"
- Expert: "Civic Type R torque curve comparison"
Google Query Classification
- Google classifies queries into distinct semantic categories
- These classifications determine which SERP features appear
- Additional classifiers like "local intent" and "explicit local intent" work alongside these categories
- Mark is developing a tool to predict which category a query falls into
Evolution of SERP Features
- AI Overviews: Likely to eventually replace featured snippets
- More dynamic and nuanced answers
- Google reported 90% cost reduction in generating them
- Featured Snippets: Currently coexist with AI overviews
- People Also Ask (PAA): Critical for Google's query understanding
- Mentioned in DOJ trial as part of Google's "induction loop"
- Allow Google to understand different interpretations of the same query
- Localization feature coming to Also Asked tool
The Future of Search
- Prediction: Shift from users doing research to AI agents doing it for them
- "I think we are going to have a fundamental shift of rather than people doing their own research..."
- Advantage to companies that own hardware (Google, Apple, Microsoft)
- Privacy concerns will diminish as convenience increases
SEO Tools Mentioned
- Also Asked: Mark's tool for analyzing PAA data
- Screaming Frog: For automated content analysis
- ChatGPT API: For content gap analysis
- Perplexity: AI search tool Mark recommends
- 11 Labs: Voice cloning technology (mentioned in context of potential misuse)
- Storm: Stanford's agentic model for scientific paper creation
Technical SEO Insights
- Google uses binary trust systems for many technical signals
- "If you get them all wrong, it's not like Google will trust you a bit less. They just have a very simple thing of, well, you don't seem to know what you're doing."
- Site reputation abuse handled manually rather than algorithmically
- Example of PageRank evolution: still used but significantly modified from original patent
People Referenced
- Mordy Oberstein: Mentioned regarding brand discussions
- Gary Illyes ("Garyish"): Google representative
- Danny Sullivan: Google Search Liaison
- Darren Shaw: Discussed query categories with Mark
- Arnoud Hellman: Provided examples of localized PAAs
- Bill Slawski ("Bill Flosky"): Known for patent analysis
- Olaf Kopp: Current patent analysis work
- Lily Ray: Mentioned regarding Reddit in SERPs
- Michael Buckby of Noah Toa
- Matt Brooks of SEOteric
- Commercial restaurant cost savings company:Save Fry Oil
Resources
- Search Engine Land guide: Mark's guide on using Screaming Frog with Also Asked
- learningseo.io: Referenced for learning about SERP features
Live Test Examples
- "Jam sandwiches" query test showing AI overview replacing featured snippet
- Demonstration of entity analysis with non-existent URL showing AI hallucination issues
Upcoming Developments
- Query classification tool (planned release before Brighton SEO in April)
- Also Asked localization feature allowing city-specific PAA monitoring
- Location-specific search results using longitude/latitude data
SEO Conferences Mentioned
Contact Information
- LinkedIn: Mark Williams-Cook
- Bluesky: Mark Williams-Cook (previously on Twitter/X)
- Newsletter: CoreUpdates.com
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