Finding Purpose, Replenishing Your Energy & Bringing More Meaning to Life

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You're listening to Maximum Medicine Radio with host Doc Martin.
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How do you step into your maximum potential? How do
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you connect your spiritual drive with your physical path? Get
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ready to meet the maximum you the world needs on
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Maximum Medicine Radio with Doc Martin now.
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Hi everybody. I'm here with my pal, my teacher, my mentor,
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my shaman teacher, Dr. Carl Greer. So I asked him
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to come back on, not only because he always has
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a lot of wisdom to offer, but because I've been
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reflecting on what he asked me years ago, which was,
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what is your path of service? And Carl, I have
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to tell you, as we talk about this, and we'll
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take a moment to maybe talk about the initiating event,
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but when you asked me that, That wasn't a happy question.
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I don't know if you remember.
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I don't remember specifically Sharon asking you that question, but
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that has been a theme of mine since I became
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more dedicated to that path and it took a while
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to get there. Theme of mine when I taught to
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at least raise that as a possibility for the lives
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of those with whom I was working. So I don't
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remember specifically posing that to you, but I'm sure that
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I had an intent to do that.
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It was at least 10, 10 maybe a little more
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years ago, You were teaching a workshop down in Illinois, kind.
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Of east of St. Louis in the, what is that,
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the mound people, Cahokton, maybe?
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Yeah, yeah, right, right.
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In a retreat center there. Really good energy there. And
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I was exhausted.
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Mm-hmm.
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Doctoring was exhausting. Figuring out the finances of my life
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was exhausting and absolutely drained. And the idea of having
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a path of service, when you asked me, it was
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like you were asking me to give more of myself.
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And I thought, you've got to be kidding me. I
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don't have a single speck.
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To give.
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I give so much every day. I felt like a duty.
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It felt like you were asking me to pull another
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heavy cart up the hill. But in your years of
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being a Jungian therapist, in your years of being a
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shaman and of a corporate leader, what have you come
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to learn about the value of that What does that
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question mean to you and what has its value evolved
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to be for you?
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Like all questions and inquiry, you can get into it
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at many levels. It's like people talking about a dream.
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And so you have a dream and What snaggle do
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you want to untangle to get to it? And I've
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kind of learned in that regard. If you keep working
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on it, no matter where you start, you can get
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to where you need to go. So as it relates
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to what has interested me in that question for myself
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and for others, I guess I was starting from my
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own life. how does one want to spend its time
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in this lifetime? And some of it is be determined
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by the parents we have, where we were brought up,
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the environment we grew up in, the towns and the cultures.
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But at some point we have really some Choices is
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how we spend our time and our resources. And, you know,
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we can just accumulate and, you know, you have a family,
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take care of your family, take care of your health,
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you have some fun. Think about retirement and what are
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you going to do to prepare for that and have
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money and resources for it. And all of those endeavors
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is a, you were noting they can drain you. But
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we all have to make choices around all that stuff.
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And in the ethos that we all live in, you know,
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there are people that say you should be of service,
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you should give back. And if you do that, you'll
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start to feel better too. So there's some shoulds and,
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you know, the worlds and this, that, and the other.
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But for me, the way I came to it, I
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had spent lots of my life for a variety of reasons,
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most of which I described before I brought up, my
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parents and those kind of things. Accumulating, achieving, and, you know,
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wanted to win and, you know, do stuff like that.
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But as I got older and I was looking at
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the life I had and how much time I had left,
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you know, that's starting to not feel so good, even
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though I was busy at it. I'd like to do
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something else as I started to have experiences in the
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shamanic and the Jungian world that made me feel connected
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to energies and themes that were bigger than the ones
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I had felt I was part of before. And so
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as part of that practice, I just had this kind of,
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impulse to try to do something for others instead of basically,
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you know, for myself. But then I was left with
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the question of what to do and how to do that.
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And then how to spend, you know, how to allocate
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my energy from what I had been doing into that.
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And my experiences in the shamanic and Jungian world getting
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into the unconscious or the other realms of reality helped
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me be inspired and to gain energy to do some
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of those things. And I had to deal with issues
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much like you described. yeah, I'm already pretty busy. I
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don't want to be drained any more than I can.
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And it did feel like an obligation. So how can
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I get beyond that? And then also the question, what
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does it mean to be of service? You know, what
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does that look like? And so for myself, I've been
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able to, especially more than 25 years that I've been,
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you know, going down this path, being able to be
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fairly comfortable with the things that I've chosen to give
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back to. And they haven't necessarily all been huge big ones.
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Some of them are philanthropies and charities that are near
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and dear to me, but I'm feeling in the particular
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world that we're living in now where there is a more,
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at least in this country, divide between the have and
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the have-nots and just the systems are, I think, forsaking
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more and more people that have needs. So, there's many
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opportunities to give on a one-to-one, you know, person-to-person level.
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And I've redefined then what this being of service means.
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And that can include, we can talk about this more,
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just being a good listener, you know, just being compassionate
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with those from whom, you know, we're spending time. You
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as a physician know the statistics that, as we get
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busier and busier and have working for healthcare systems, more
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and more demands to see more patients in shorter periods
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of time, the quality of the interaction changes on average
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kind of negatively. And I saw a statistic years ago
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that the physicians that were sued for malpractice, maybe were
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spending you know, 10 or 11 minutes per person. And
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the ones who, weren't it was like 16 or 17
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minutes it wasn't a whole big difference but just a
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difference in somebody being heard can make a huge change
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in their in their experience and that to me the
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lesson was in terms of service uh you know, just
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being there for somebody in a caring way without trying
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to fix them and try to do this and get
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them out the door to see somebody else in that realm.
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That's being of service too. You're somehow helping others do
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things that perhaps they wouldn't have done. And then the
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question is, well, are you going to feel good about
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that too? You know, people say you help somebody, you
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make you feel good. Maybe or may not, but it's
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a little bit... It can become a self-confirming prophecy. You know,
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you fake it till you make it. You do that enough,
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all of a sudden you start to feel good. You know,
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this feels pretty good. I like spending my time doing
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this because it's a lot more uncharted. You don't know
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where it's going to end than kind of our do
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these 10 things in order to, you know, achieve happiness
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or to get wealthy or do those things. So it's
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a meandering answer, but it's a meandering process for myself.
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And it required me eventually to have more of an
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inner life than I had before. And to recognize that
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I am part of a much, much bigger picture. And
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as an 86 year old, you know, facing, you know,
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the end of my life, you know, in the not
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too distant future, it's been part of that process for me.
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And I think it can be a process for anybody
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if they can step out of the busyness of their
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everyday life and just start to ask a few questions.
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Where have I been? Where am I going? Where did
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I come from? Why am I here? And start to
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relate to other energies. You and I believe in the
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power of being in nature. And then the process starts
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to work you. And you have the ability to listen
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to it or not, but you get a new input
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and new inspiration and New energy.
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So way back when, when you asked me that, and
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I was unbelievably exhausted. At the same time, as I
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was exploring my spiritual life and understanding energy and learning
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about other things that really made my heart sore. So
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it kind of lifted me out of the day to day.
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One of the things I recognized is I was constantly
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comparing myself, usually negatively, to my classmates because they would
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have these ceremonies and they would see angels and they
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would have these dreams and go to other places. And
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I would go to work listening to everybody's problems. And
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I thought that being a good energy worker or understanding
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of the metaphysical meant that I had to be doing
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these light and airy woo-woo kinds of things. And I
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would be constantly telling myself I wasn't good enough. I
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hadn't achieved anything. So for me, the one step that
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made a huge difference was when I started to see
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that I'm good at where I am. In fact, every
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time I thought I should change careers, God, spirit, whatever,
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kept me exactly where I am. And when I started
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to recognize the good I could do there, and believe
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in myself and quit thinking I'm not good enough because
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I wasn't doing these light airy fairy approaches. I wasn't
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sitting in magic every moment, at least not outwardly. Then
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I started to see that when I dropped my resistance
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and really accepted my talents, that became a sort of
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a complimenting phase. It came as feeling good about myself,
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feeling good about the work I did, feeling important, feeling meaningful.
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When I stopped comparing and I stopped resisting. And that's
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sometimes I think that maybe the big step on a
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path of service is to recognize what you're good at
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and keep putting that in the world. What do you think?
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Yes. I mean that statement, recognizing what you're good at,
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putting it into the world. Um, but it seems to me, uh,
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you described that Sharon, that, um, you were experiencing a
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world of people dealing with metaphysical things, you know, and
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you were coming from a, you know, kind of a
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black and white, more Western medicine background, you know, analytical
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and so forth. And certainly some of the people that
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we've known or dealt with have had amazing experiences in
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the other worlds. Mm-hmm. But the question, one of my
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focuses and my interest is, how do you bring those
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experiences into your everyday life? How do you make a
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difference in the everyday life world, including being of service? Now,
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you contrast that with people who are extremely successful. I mean,
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they're analytical. They can make things happen. They're good bosses
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and this, that, and the other. But they really don't
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have any connection to those worlds. And they would think
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it's woo-woo and you know, crazy and this, that, and
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the other. So how do you get those people to
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know that there's this other world? And how do you
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get the people in the great angel experiences to somehow
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use that to make a difference in their own lives
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and the lives of others? Well, ultimately- So one of.
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The things, I interviewed Stefan Schwartz, who is a researcher
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in remote viewing and consciousness and a scientist who, but
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I have a feeling he's extremely, we would call it psychic.
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But anyway, he has written a book about how to
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be a change agent and how to promote wellbeing. And
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so here I was feeling like I was in this
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mud and the drudge and the aye, aye, aye. But
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then I also reflected on the, importance that being a
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physician or a medical provider any kind of health care
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provider the importance they have in the people are coming
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for guidance they're coming to be listened to they're coming
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to be told everything's going to be okay and how
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can i do that even when i'm faced with looking
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at somebody that i see something bad's happening to them
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i see a cancer i see bad heart disease, I
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see their lungs going bad. And I did one thing
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that Stefan Schwartz talks about in the things to be
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a change agent. I tried consciously, I made an effort
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with each patient visit, no matter how much the bad
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news was, to find something good to say. Something, even
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if it was so glad you came today, It was
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really good for me to keep tabs on you and
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see how you're doing. That doesn't mean I'm going to
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make you any better. It doesn't mean your disease isn't
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going to take you. But every time I did that,
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I was uplifted because it took this hard moment that
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felt like walking through mud and found something, however small,
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Even it was, thank you for telling me the story
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about your new kitten. However small, find something to comment
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on well-being for that person. And that shifted me because,
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I mean, I don't know what it did for them,
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but it made me feel like it wasn't all mud
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I was walking through. Was it difficult? Was it hard
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to sit there when people were falling apart and maybe
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they can't even deal with it, they can't even accept it?
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But to make the encounter have something shiny, does that
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make sense?
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It does. And I'm interested as you're thinking about it,
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how did you get from then to there? And I
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put this hypothesis, as you started to get more involved
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in these other realms, you in some of your experiences
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at some level were stimulated to do something different than
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you had before. And where before the chief of staff
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of the hospital, wondering about stuff, as you know, having
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the practice that you had back then, but somehow you shifted. Now,
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why did you shift? I would say one theory would be,
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you started to have these experiences in these other realms
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in ways that you didn't before, You couldn't say exactly
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what caused what, the shift, but the package, you were different.
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And as shift changed, then the energies that were around
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you tweaked and helped you move. Now you're, I'm not
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going to say a completely different person, I don't want
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to presume that, but you're different than you were before
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you felt as exhausted as you did 10, 12 years ago.
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And the joy, there's For me, there's been an immense
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joy in learning about the other realms. And I think
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you don't have to do metaphysical things. If you just
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experience something other than what you do all the time,
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then you've got more channels with which to interact and
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more things to bring to the table. You've got more,
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the shift in perspective when you study other realms is
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incredible because then for me, we've always been taught, I
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remember Alberto's always been taught, Don Juan and Carlos Castaneda,
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the shift in your perspective is so critical, but you're
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able to see there's so many different ways. And when
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you can then come in with more channels from which
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you're operating, you're not trapped.
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A hundred percent. And, you know, back to what I
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was saying earlier, I have become aware for myself that
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I am part of a much more huge set of
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interconnections than I ever thought I was before. And as
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I am open to those interconnections, and they're all energetic,
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you know, the universe is a mess, you know, as
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we can be open to more of it, without an
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agenda in us just to be part of it and
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aware of it, that's transforming. And that can help us
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just without making us give back. We may be, or
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we're not, more inclined to do so. It's sharing a
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little bit, I remember somebody told me once, it's hard
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to share cookies with others if your own cookie jar
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is really half full. And so how do you get
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your cookie jar full enough that you're taking care of yourself?
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You then can do it. Well, one way we're talking
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about is to be open to these other realms, to
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let that energy come in there. And all of a sudden,
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that fills us in a way, those of us who
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have experienced it, in ways that we didn't have before.
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That makes a lot of things possible that otherwise wouldn't
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have been.
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And I think I'll extend that because it doesn't have
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to be shamanic realms or magic or meditating on consciousness.
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It can be through church, through prayer. When you open
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up to the infinite energies of the universe and connect
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with it, by that very connection, I find that you
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get restored and filled back up. And for me, one
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of the biggest joys of having studied shamanism and energy
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medicine and other esoteric things is recognizing the other energies
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around me and to build a relationship to connect and
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to have helpers. I see them as helpers. That is
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so transforming. That brings.
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That brings joy into every interaction. And that's when, for me,
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I get filled up. And then even if I don't
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give more in terms of donations of things, if I
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don't volunteer somewhere, I do give to young people who
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are attempting new things. or they're doing projects, I like
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to sort of support them underneath. But just coming to
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work in that filled up, renewed way brings more of
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me to that space, enlivened by the connection with the cosmos, God, universe, spirit, magic,
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And it just infuses the whole interaction with an upswell
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of energetic power. And then the day flies by. That's
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really fun. Everybody should try it.
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And somehow, again, I don't presume to know all of
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your life, but you're not living in a high rise
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in a big city. you're not living in a suburb.
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You're living in a pastoral setting where you've had experiences
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with animals and why you've chosen to do that and
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how you've done that. You've plant life and trees and
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so forth around you by choice and by just choice work.
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I would suggest that being around those energies have also
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influenced you in ways that you would not have been
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had you not lived there. And my point of that is,
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I think as we can experience this huge, big world
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we have in the natural phenomenon, you know, the oceans
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and the winds and the animals and the, you know,
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how dogs can be crazy but fun and smart, you know,
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and horses and, you know, it changes us. I mean,
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it relativizes us in a way that I think allows
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us then to be more open, to do the kinds
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of things that you're doing now that are feeding your soul.
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And you're hunting and pecking to see what can help
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and what's going to feel good to me and to
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the other person. And you're doing stuff that for you
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is really working. And as an observer, listen, it sounds great,
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you know, to be kind in a, in a session
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with somebody who's got three months to live, say, hey,
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great to see you, and you're looking good. And that
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can be all true. That's a gift. That's a service.
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But you don't necessarily get there by somebody telling your medicals,
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you've got to do this and say this and do that.
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You evolve through your life. And what have you experienced,
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as I've seen? You're open to more energies. than you
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were maybe 20 years ago.
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I do think something, you know, my soul, if you
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want to say that, chose living in the country. And
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I'll tell you, at COVID, it saved me. It saved
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me because I can, I have PTSD from that. And
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I wasn't even in the ICU in Manhattan. That, you know,
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that kind of fear of, the horror, the fear, this
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afraid to be with a person because you don't know
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if they're infected. And that's just a terrible thing. But
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when I think about, and you said, you know, you
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don't live in a high rise in an urban setting,
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but I think about how you and I, I think
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we both hold this as a key factor when we
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teach or encourage people that the nature, the healing power,
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the restorative power of nature, of animals, of, and I
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think you're right. When you said it relativizes us, it
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does make us see that we're part of a bigger picture.
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And for me, it also makes us see that there
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are energies that can, I'm going to digress a minute here.
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I just read an article that a Japanese scientist proved
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something about forest bathing, but that spending time 10 minutes
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in the woods in between trees actually shifted something. I
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don't know the details, but it was a scientific paper.
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But we've been saying that, how you can really restore
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yourself with animals, with nature, with being out in the open.
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I remember, I don't know if you remember this, but
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years ago, I went to visit Carl. He lives outside
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of Chicago. And I went to visit him to have
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a shamanic session and just talk and things like that.
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And we went out to dinner in this small restaurant
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in the bottom of a skyscraper. And the restaurant had
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some windows. And this skyscraper was right next to another skyscraper.
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So there maybe was 15 feet between these two The
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restaurant had a window. The other building did not. We
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were on the coast of, is it Lake Michigan? That's
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right outside Chicago. But anyway, so we were near the water.
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But here we were in a downtown, in a restaurant.
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And you and I were talking about the things we've
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learned and the books we've read and the teachings we've studied.
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And in between those two buildings, flew a crow there's
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no animals around like but we were talking we were
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talking about Carlos Castaneda and Don Juan and a crow
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flew between the buildings well if anybody has read that
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you know that Don Juan could shapeshift into a crow
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whenever he chose to but I turned and I saw
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it as it went between the buildings we're talking concrete
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There wasn't even grass or a tree to sit on.
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Anyway.
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And it just, it reminded me that there's so much
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happening outside of us that we can connect to that
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takes us up out of concrete.
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I don't know if you remember also in my office,
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I had a sculptor of a, of a, of a,
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It was called Earth Dancer. And the idea was there
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was a head and you could see it as a
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crow or a raven. The metaphor was, you know, in
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our lives, we may have a certain nature, but we
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all of a sudden maybe get a head on us.
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It kind of guides us for factors beyond our control.
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We lose some freedom. So in that Earth Dancer, wooden sculptor,
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I could take the head off and then there was
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a different head underneath it. And the challenge is, you know,
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how do you, you know, what is your true head?
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And that can change, I think, over time too. And
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what keeps us from achieving it? That was in my office,
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you know, in the hours before we saw the crow.
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So it was just, you know, everything connected, you know.
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And what's the meaning of that in some way? Well,
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the fact that we're talking about it now many years later,
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it's resonated for both of us. Now, how is it
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all we can say or I can say is, hey,
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thank you, Lord, thank you, Lord, for being part of
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this big, huge experiment and for being able to have
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the life that I've had, and I'm hearing you say,
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for the life you've had.
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So I wanna take this a little bit to our
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energy body and talk a little bit about this. For me,
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once I understood to drop the comparisons, to value my
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own talents, to value my capacity, and to trust that
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somehow either my subconscious, my higher self, God, spirit, whatever,
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put me on this path. And for that moment accepted,
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it felt like the ability for me to open up
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and take in energies from outside me was enhanced. When
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I quit the resistance, I quit the comparing. I quit
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the arguing about where I was and I owned the
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place I was standing. I had more power. Is there
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something to that?
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Um, uh, a hundred percent. And, and, uh, The image
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I have is it's hard for most people, I think myself,
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and I'm hearing you say also, to give up your
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life to a higher power because you've been oriented by
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the shoulds and the nots and the profession and this, that,
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and the other thing. You kind of should do this,
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should do that. But obviously, let it go and say,
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can I connect to someone? It's hard to make this less.
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And it's a serenity prayer. You want to have the
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courage to change the things you can. You want to
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have the discernment of what you can change. And then
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you want to have some serenity about the choices you make.
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But ultimately, you're turning it over to a higher power. Now,
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does that mean that you have no agency in it?
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you know, I'm just going to wait until I get
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a sign?
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No.
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Does it mean that you're going to bow dog and
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just do whatever you think is right?
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No.
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But you're going to cooperatively work differently than you did
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before with that energy in a way that's yet to
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be determined for each of us as we go down
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our path. But having first experienced, yes, that energy is
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out there and I can work with it and I
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have some ability to interact with it in a way
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that I can express what I want to. Now that's
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my own feeling about that in my own learnings. But
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I think anybody can have that same experience. And everybody
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I know that's had it, like you're describing, has been
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changed forever because of it.
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One of the hardest things I had to do in
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medical school, I went to medical school after having been
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a professor at Emory University, and then I went to
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medical school. And It was always the ladder to climb
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to get higher up in academics and keep climbing and climbing.
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And it was so unfulfilling. And I looked around at
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the environment that I had told myself was where I
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should aspire to be. And all they were doing was
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picking at each other, doing one-upsmanship on each other. The heart...
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of the encounters with patients was gone. I didn't see it.
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I couldn't see it. It was all grandstanding. But I
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made a choice to go to residency in a community hospital.
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And of course, people who were with me in the
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academics were like, well, what'd you do that for? And
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then I made a choice after that to take my
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first job even smaller, even more rural, when everybody said,
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you got to be kidding me. Why would you go there?
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And at first I was like, what did I do?
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But what you were saying is when you are faced
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with things and you have the courage to dump stuff
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that you know, you have the courage to reflect on it.
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And then to really ask yourself, what does, will it
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cost me to dump this? This belief, is it limiting me?
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And if I dump it, if I don't have this
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drive to be the dean of the medical school, who
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am I and what is my value? But my dumping
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that brought me into a place where I had enough
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downtime the lack of that competitive push, push, attack, attack,
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I started then to explore those other learnings, those metaphysical learnings,
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those learn something esoteric, learn something spiritual, learn shamanism, learn
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energy medicine. So for me, when I look at what
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people can start to do, that's the beginning of reaching
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a path of service to others is of course first
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service to yourself. Yes. And having the courage to say,
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wait a second, I've got this, I should do this.
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Who says?
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Who told me?
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Who's the drill sergeant? Who's holding the whip over me?
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And am I still alive? And am I still valuable
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when I say, no, get away, I'm not doing you anymore.
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That path of service to yourself, that first step is
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so big.
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And it takes so much courage because we have so
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much energy around not doing it in the medical profession. Oh, yeah.
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The judgment, the idea that you're less than. Yeah.
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And in a big teaching hospital, you know, a good
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physician is in clinic a number of times a week.
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maybe teaching, maybe doing research, maybe having some kids, you know,
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working 80, 100 hours a week, burned out, but academic papers,
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you know, some peers are saying you're great, you know,
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making pretty good money, and you do it until you can't.
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You and I both happen to know a fair number
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of people in the to get burned out and then
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when they stop and they quit they're not necessarily going
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to be doing the kinds of things we're talking about
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you know they may be happy going to a country
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club and you know playing some golf or doing what
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the normal people can do when they're not working 100
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hours a week but how do you get out from
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that to what we're talking about it's almost like a
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act of grace, you know, you have an experience that
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helps you get there. But I think to actuate an
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act of grace, I think you have to have an intent.
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I'd like to be doing something different. Help me, whoever
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you're asking. And then, as you and I talked earlier,
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just to go out and reflect on that question while
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you're walking in the woods or buy some water or,
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you know, with a flower garden in front of you
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and you're just sitting on the grass. Things can change
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when you allow, your mind is quiet, you know, the
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sounds in front of you, but it's true. You're not thinking,
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you're just being. You're being in a place and all
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of a sudden you make it an image or an
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insight or something that's useful to you. And if you
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can trust that such things do happen and are possible,
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that can be transformative and can be precursors or enhancers
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of the question of how do you be of service
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when you kind of feel that is so, that gives
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you an edge on not doing it, in my opinion.
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The other thing that I just want to comment on
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is so many times we're in the place of discomfort
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whether the job doesn't feel good, something doesn't feel good,
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the relationship, the this, the that. And the main push is,
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oh my God, I got to get out of this.
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I got to get out. I got to get out.
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I got to get out. What I've come to see,
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I'm not an expert at it, but I've recently come
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to see that position of discomfort is a huge teacher.
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Yes.
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Because it's in that place of the most contrast where
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you see exactly what doesn't feel good that you can
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then say what would feel good. And if that discomfort
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is so strong, maybe that gives you the courage to
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try for something that does feel good. So I would
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just like to encourage people listening to, Don't rush out
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of that space because it's irky feeling. Just for a moment,
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this is a powerful teacher. Just allow that because it
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shows you what you, if you stop and you reflect,
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what about this is uncomfortable? What is it that I
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don't like? That's really telling you what you do like
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and what feels good. And then you can choose to
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move over here.
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Well, that's a big, whole, long conversation in itself.
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Oh, no, I was thinking that's a whole other show.
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Yeah, but just, you know, kind of the platitudes around
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that are, you know, don't leave a situation too early
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until you learn everything you can from it, but don't
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stay in it too long. But what does that mean?
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You know, just in a job situation, a relationship situation,
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it may not be going the way you want. So
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to your point, can you really be honest with it?
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How do you want it to be? And can you
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talk to the other, be it a partner or an institution,
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to somehow have them understand what you'd like? And oftentimes
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we don't do that for fear of the response. And
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so can we learn to better deal with the others
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in our lives? to express what we want and listen
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to them? Can we go someplace else within ourselves to
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get some inner wisdom as to how to handle the situation?
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And can we tolerate the in-betweenness of this and that
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before we make the big decisions? And can we somehow
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interact with that intolerable situation better than we have before,
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just on the what do you say to whom and
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how do you do that? Can we pick our times
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better for staying and leaving? And that's a whole big
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session in life question in itself, in my opinion.
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Well, we have to close, but I wanted to close
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by telling you something exciting, and maybe we can do
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a show together on this. I'm leaving next week to
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go down to the Monroe Institute outside of Charlottesville, Virginia.
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And that is a place of exploration of consciousness of
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different realms. And Bob Monroe developed the hemi-sync sounds that
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can put you into altered states to allow you to
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travel to different realms. But the course I'm taking, it's
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called Lifelines, but I think it's really shamanic soul retrieval
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or helping someone cross over. So we'll find out. Because
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relationship with death and how to be able to cross
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over with and not end up in the eagle's beak.
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And we can talk more about that.
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Sure.
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I'm so happy to have you sit and talk with me, Carl.
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It was wonderful to have connection with you again.
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You as well, Sharon. Thanks for arranging this. And I
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have enjoyed talking to you.
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You've been listening to Maximum Medicine Radio with Doc Martin.
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who you are, body and soul. Doc Martin unpacks the
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