Unspoken Issues #129 - Superman "Time and Time Again"

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Fun Spoken Issues.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Unspoken Issues Podcast. That's right,
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we're back. We are back, and we're going to be
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talking some Superman tonight. And Dean Compton is over there.
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I'm Jesse Starcher. We got Matthew Price on he he's
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brought on a special guest. We'll have him introduce her
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here in just a few moments.
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So, Matt you picked this one?
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Huh?
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All right?
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Well, yeah, I think I did.
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I think we were talking about we had done Panic
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in the Sky and then we'd done some other work
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on different directions, and I thought, well, another really good
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Superman story from this era that I remembered liking but
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had written a while was Timing again. So I think
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that was the pitch.
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Yeah.
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Man, I've never read this when it came out, so
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I didn't know what we were getting into. But as
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soon as I started seeing the first page, I immediately
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was like, Oh, we're going to have some time travel
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in this thing, and I was down immediately. I was
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kind of kicking myself that I've never read this before
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because I always dig a time travel story.
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Well, the good news is that if we learned how
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to time Preble. You can time Preble back and read
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it before you read it, so it's like you will
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have always read it.
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Could you imagine that's crazy? That's just unbelievable.
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I can imagine you would waste time Preble like that.
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I won't disagree, all right, So, Matt, you brought on
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a special guest.
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Could you please introduce who you brought on today?
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I did.
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We've got with this Rachel Price, speeding bullet employee, weekend manager,
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comic buyer, and also my oldest kid. So she's been
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involved with the comic book store for a long time,
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working here for quite a.
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While as well.
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I don't know, Rachel, what else would you like to
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say about yourself to the fine listeners?
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Tell us all about yourself?
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Well, I love comic books.
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I wish I had more knowledge about it, just because
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I feel like I am surrounded by people who constantly
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know more than me. But what I lack in like
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content knowledge, I think I make up for an industry knowledge,
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and so I come at it more from how does
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this work as a product, which in any other industry
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I would hate, but in this industry I feel like
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it adds a splash of fun into it. Almost of like,
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how did this goofy thing sell?
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You know how?
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Why did they choose to make it this campy? Why
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what were the decisions made in making this available to
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the public.
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So that we're getting ready to get into the adventures
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of Superman. We got Superman on the docket for tonight.
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This is early nineties Superman, So Rachel I was asking
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earlier before we got on here, as far as Superman goes,
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doesn't sound like he picked up too many nineties Superman
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to read, right.
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This is like the first nineties Superman that I've read.
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Well, I mean, being around the house, you.
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Got to understand Jesse doesn't understand that anyone would read
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anything that wasn't the nineties comic, in particular cyber Force. No,
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the idea that he is obsessed with, the idea that
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like cyber Force is the only thing worth three eating,
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and we have to convince him to do anything else.
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So right, right, I mean, I thought for sure that's
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the first thing you were going to say, is like
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the Cyberforce many was the first comic that you had
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in your hands. The Death of Superman is just not
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laying around there. The trade of Death of Superman is
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not just laying around there for you to pick up
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or anything like that.
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I mean it is everywhere seem that weird, unfair.
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Yeah, well Dean, it's time and again, were you picking
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this up off the shelves?
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No? This is like right right as I'm starting to
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really get into comics. This is when did this come out?
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Like early?
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This is.
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So yeah. So I'm still getting the Marble cards and
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in fact, like I do the DC guys. But it's
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really weird how people formulate opinions. Right, Like, I'm in
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sixth grade and I'm buying Marble cards, and since there's
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no DC cards this time, I'm like, DC, that shit's
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for kids. I need the mature stuff. I get Marble cards.
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I like Marble. I like the Punisher, like he shoots
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people who do Superman shoot nobody to the point where
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like when he gets a plane, he puts like thists
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on it. It doesn't even shoot missiles like a plane.
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He can't think beyond the idea that he would punch
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something even in a plane. Honestly, I respect his commitment
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to the brand at the same time not enticing to
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me as twelve year old, but like I started just
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like you know, going on. You know, I guess around
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like I think I've told you, like around in the
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summer between sixth and seventh grade, my mom had to
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go to like an appointment of Little Rock. We went
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to kV Toyster then have Morble cards and only had
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these tea cards. Well, obviously I had to buy something.
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I didn't know when the hell I was gonna get
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back to Little Rock or anything, you know, stuck in Bates,
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Lil Arkansas, thirty seven, three hundred and sixteen miles from nowhere,
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and so like I was like, I guess this is
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what we're getting. And then I re read these cards
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and I'm sorry to do about Superman, Batman, you know
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that kind of stuff. But then I started getting into it,
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and actually I made friends with the guy who had
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this trade paperback and I actually read this and panic
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in the sky like same night. Oh really, like I
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just said in his house, like I'm over his house
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being like rude as hell, just reading his comic books.
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He's like, well you blah blah blah, bro read it. Sorry,
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do you want to watch TV? No, I'm busy showing
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you how literate I can be, you know.
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What I mean.
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But he wasn't mad. He understood He's a little older
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and had a little more money. I was like fifteen
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at this time, when he was twenty. I think this
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trade paperback was like nine to ninety nine, which to
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me may as well have been all the money in
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Uncle Scrooge's Bolt's.
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God read this.
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He's like, absolutely, you can read it. So I think
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he understood to an extent. So I read those books
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in one night, and that's when I learned that Superman
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was on fire in the early nineties. And you can
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really argue that like the same from ninety one to
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probably ninety six ninety seven. It's arguably the greatest creative
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era in Superman history. I don't think you know, MAT's
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a Superman fan, he can disagree, but it may be
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a dark horse contender, but I think there's a strong
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argument for it. The book fires on all cylinders. It
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works as a weekly book, it works into specials. They
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integrate Superman very well into the DC universe at this time,
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establishing more as the figurehead of the DC universe, which
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oddly enough, John Byrne had tried to sort of get
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away from before this, but here they go with the
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opposite direction. Make you feel like he's a part of
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something bigger.
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Now.
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I remember reading both of these and being like, you know,
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this is really good stuff. I should read more Superman stuff.
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And then right after that and Death of Superman happened.
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Worlds collide with the Milestone comics, which is one of
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the best crossovers I've ever read, and it just goes
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on and on. So that's kind of my familiarity with
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Time and Time Again. Also, I used to be this
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real like I'm still really depressed and sad a lot,
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but I'm actually in a really good spot for the
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last like month, really good mental health spot, very proud
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of myself. But I used to be like even sadder
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because I was in high school in Arkansas, so oh
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my god. So like I used to listen to Counting
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Crows like all the time because they're the only thing
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that they understood me, you know what I mean. This
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man finally, finally someone got in my heart. And they
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have a song called Time and Time Again. So every time, like.
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I see this, I just sing it in Oh, you
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think of that song?
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Of course, of course it's the same the exact same words,
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So I also think of that. So that's a different
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memory that Iduro divergently attached to this.
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Okay, all right, Matt ninety one.
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I mean I can't remember if you're buying comics at
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this point in time, and if you are, are you
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buying this off the shelf or did you catch it later?
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I had some of these sporadically, probably in ninety one.
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I wasn't quite at the compo story yet, but I
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was getting Superman when I had the opportunity, So I
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don't think I had all the parts of it until a.
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Little bit later when I started working at the comic shop.
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But I had read it back in the early nineties.
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We're talking like this is six seven parts, right, so
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and not counting you know, the two epilogues that happened
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way later, but literally an.
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Odd number since they were like coming out more or
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less weekly. Is this pre Man of Steel? Yeah, yeah,
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so they're not quite coming out weekly. Long Yeah, okay,
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so these are.
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I was just sitting there thinking like what it would
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have been like for me trying to pick these up too,
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because I feel like there's a possibility that I might
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have If I was trying to pick these up, I
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probably would.
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Have missed some because of monetary reasons.
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One of the one about things about Superman though, is
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like it stayed at seventy five cents longer than any
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of the other DC books, and then it stayed a
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dollar while the others went to a dollar twenty five,
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and then once he gets to a dollar twenty five,
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it follows the rest of the books. So for a while, DC,
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I think wanted people like you who might not have
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had three quarters in their old pocket to grab a
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Superman and they could kind of afford it. And maybe,
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like any of us, if you were at the store,
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maybe you could get two Superman's if they had two
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different ones, like say, if they had Action and Superman
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or Adventures and Superman. Because you had seventy five cents
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a piece, maybe you can talk to mom and get
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two of them. It just be a quarter more for
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two comics.
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Mom, Come on, mom, just one?
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Oh, come on, you're made out of money. Actually got
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checks right? One of those?
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Oh man? All right?
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Well, yeah, we want to get in that. It's time
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and time again. Correct, time and time again.
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Yeah, will later also be used for a New Warrior story.
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Okay, so bear with me, sit back, relax. I want
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to read to you a little bit. Feel free to
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hop in if I missed anything, correct me if I'm
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wrong on anything.
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Here we go all right?
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So we want to start out with Adventures of Superman
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number four seventy six, written and penciled by Dan Jurgens,
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in by Brett Breeding, lettered by Albert Tobias de Guzman,
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colored by Glenn Whitmore. A man calling himself the Linear Man.
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I don't know if he calls himself that or if
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everybody just assumes he's the Linear Man arrives from the
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future in search of Booster Gold, Everyone's favorite blondeheaded time traveler.
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He locates Booster's companion Skeets, and uses him to summon Booster.
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The Linear Man seeks to punish Booster for past crimes
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and shoots him out of the sky over Metropolis. Future
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crimes actually, but hey, this is time travel shoots him
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out of the.
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Sky, shows up a blasting guy.
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No kidding, shoot him out of the sky over Metropolis. Meanwhile,
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Clark and Lois discuss their relationship, with Lois express Lois
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expressing hesitation about marrying Clark because he's Superman. Superman notices
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Booster's being shot at and rushes to save him. Lois
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grabs her camera to document the event. Superman catches Booster
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and they confront the Linear Man. During the battle, a
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time portal opens and the Linear Man seizes Booster. Waiting
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for the portal to engulf them. Superman grabs the Linear
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Man's arm, accidentally activating his time controls, which causes the
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portal to malfunction and become a massive hole in time
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above Metropolis. As the trio are pulled into the vortex,
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Booster is blasted back to the ground, leaving only Superman
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and the Linear Man to be sucked into the vortex
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as it closes. Superman awakens amidst a large fire and
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believes he may be in the twenty fifth century. His
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first instinct is to help the citizens extinguish a fire,
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and doing so, he encounters three members of the Legion
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of Superheroes, Saturn Girl, Cosmic Boy, and Lightning Lad, his.
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Favorite superhero team after cyber Force, right Jesse O number one,
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cyber Force number two, Legion of Superheroes.
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I can't.
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Okay, I could do the cyber Force thing all you want,
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but I cannot do Legion of Superheroes.
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Because I'm locully ignorantly.
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You know what, though, if the Legion fans find out
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that you said anything bad about the Legion, they are
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going to show up at your house.
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Right, Yeah, I know that you've told me stories. I
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remember hearing stories about that.
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Go ahead. I probably exaggerated a little bit. Oh they
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are rabbit.
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He's worried they're going to show up in his house.
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Now they are amazed to see the legendary Superman in person.
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Superman realizes he is actually in the thirtieth century, and
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as the issue concludes, he asks the Legion the Legion
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members about his fate. Okay, and then we get into
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the next issue, which is Action Comics six sixty three.
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This is written by Roger Stern, art.
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By Bob McLeod, though Oakly on lettering Glenn Whitmore coloring.
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The Legion of Superheroes explained to Superman that their records
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from a thousand years years ago are incomplete, so they
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can't be certain about his fate. Suddenly, a second fire
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triggers a large explosion, sending Superman back in time again,
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this time to the nineteen forties. While Superman tries to
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get his bearings, he faints in front of a passing farmer,
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who takes him to a nearby circus, believing he may
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be from there. When Superman awakens, he experiences vision problems.
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Soon after, he saves a man from a lion attack
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and pressing the circus promoter. Learning he is in nineteen
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forty three, Superman accept press anybody.
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Right, Y're like, oh my god, look at this guy.
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I'd be like if you grab a line and put
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him in a Kane. So you're the king of America.
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Now, Learning he's in nineteen Well, be like, how we
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do it now as well?
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Yeah, you're in charge?
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Who can tame this lion?
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Learning he's in nineteen forty three, Superman accepts the promoter's
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job offer to perform as a strong man build as
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the Amazing Sampson for two months, his act as a
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hit across the nation. Despite his success, Superman feels lost,
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missing his own time and lois. When the circus reaches Matronopolis,
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he decides to leave. As World War two rages, Superman
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considers enlisting, but soon uncovers a Nazi plot to assassinate President.
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Roosevelt at a local hotel.
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Superman foils the plot and is s thank by Roosevelt,
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but inspiration strikes him. He leaps out of a window
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to find the Justice Society of America. Outside the JSA headquarter,
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Superman is stopped by the Specter, who warns him that
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further involvement could alter time. Superman pleads to be sent home,
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but the Specter says he can't do that. Instead, he
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sends Superman somewhere where he's needed. When Superman opens his eyes,
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he finds himself in Warsaw, Poland. Meanwhile, in the present,
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Booster Gold is thinking he needs to seek out some
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acquaintances who might know how to bring Superman back out.
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As we get into Superman fifty four, Jerry Ordway pencils
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and scripts, Dennis Yanke on ins, Glenn Whitmore on colors,
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John Costanza on letters. Superman finds himself in front of
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an oncoming train and leaps to its roof, discovering Nazi
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soldiers on board. Concerned about his impact on the time stream,
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he flies away, leaving the soldiers and prisoners in awe. Meanwhile,
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General Zeiten uses a magical crystal to capture the soul
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of a scientist named Max Franked. Informed by the Flying
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Man with incident at the train, Zeiten demands his capture
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to prevent interference with Project Zitidel.
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Superman's lands in.
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The Warsaw Ghetto, where a young girl helps him evade
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some Nazi soldiers. She takes him home, but her mother
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insists he leave to avoid attracting danger. The girl gives
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Superman a tattered robe for disguise. Moved by their plight,
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Superman is now determined to help. He notices a Nazi
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transport carrying mysterious cargo and follows it to an underground
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facility and overhearing plans to use refug Jesus test subjects
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for an atomic experiment. Superman blasts through the walls to
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confront General Zeiten, recognizing him as mister z a foe
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he recently battled I believe.
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Yeah, but who doesn't know who he is? Everyone's time
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travel trop.
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Time Travel Superman wrecks the facility and heads off to
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intercepts with both the atomic bomb and the train with
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the refugees. He stops the train, allowing the refugees to
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to flee. In a desperate move, the Nazis decide to
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drop the bomb on Superman. Superman grabs a bomb, flies
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into the sky and explodes high above the city, sparing
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the refugees below, and then we get into Avengers of
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Superman four seventy seven, our fourth story here written and
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drawn by Dan Jurgens, ink by Brett Breeding, lettered by
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Albert de Guzman, and colored by Glenn Whitmore. After the
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atomic bomb explosion, Superman finds himself on a desolate icy
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planet that suffered a catastrophic event in casing it in ice. Meanwhile,
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the Legion of Superheroes learn that the Sun Eater, a
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gaseous being that devour stars, is still alive and heading
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for Earth. The Legion decides to confront it once more.
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Superman sees the sun Eater in the distance and commandeers
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a local spaceship to confront it. The Legion arrives, and
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Wildfire attempts to place a bomb inside the sun Eater,
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but encounters complication. Lightning Lad and Joe assist Lightning Lad.
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Who is Joe? I wrote down? Joe say that.
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Again, He's It's Joe. First name, last name, Nah.
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Joe Nah Okay Joe Nah assists in detonating the bomb,
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but are nearly lost in space until Superman rescues them
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with this spaceship. However, the sun Eater remains unstoppable. Superman
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explains to the Legion.
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He eats suns. You know, it's kind of tough.
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Superman explains to the Legion that he is bouncing through
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time and asks about his fate again and when he's
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supposed to die, Like Superman can't let this go.
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I don't know.
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He maybe we can talk about that here in a second.
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He's trying to find out when he's supposed to die. Yeah, yeah,
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I get it, they advise him. No, I mean I
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was getting there at My assumption is now that he's
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probably worried about his wife, and of course she's got
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a hesitation of marrying him, and I assume because of
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the danger and the fact. So he's like, oh, I
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got to know when I'm supposed to die.
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So well, he wants to know if he ever makes
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it back, if you ever gets to see her.
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Oh, like he's supposed to have been dead. Okay, now
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see I didn't get that. I'm glad you guys explained that.
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I love He's like, did I make it back? What
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else happens?
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When?
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Did I you know? Because like if they're like, oh, yeah,
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you died in the year thirty one seventeen, he's like, okay,
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I made it back. Whatever happens Preb and lowis, we
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made it work, you know, we we made it work
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or we didn't, but there's some finality instead. And they're
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right not to tell him because, like, honestly, they wouldn't
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know at that point.
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They said that with a man like you, it's hard
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to tell myth from reality exactly.
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So they're right not to tell him anything, even though
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he keeps.
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Asking, okay, well, they advise him not to seek this knowledge.
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Superman agrees and joins their effort to stop the Sun Eater.
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They devise a plan to distract the Sun Eater's defenses
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while Wildfire and Shrinking.
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Violet attack it's nucleus.
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Shrinking Violet sets Wildfire's suit to absorb the nucleus, and
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Superman rushes in to rescue her from the resulting implosion.
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After the plan succeeds, the Legion scans the area but
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discover that Superman has disappeared once again. It's a linear
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Man who's been tracking Superman's time jumps contemplates how to
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fix the situation and try to return Superman to his
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own time.
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In nineteen ninety one, However.
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After this latest event, he has lost track of Superman's
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whereabouts in time.
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All Right, there you go, folks.
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That is the first four issues of the story Time
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and Time again we have. There's an interesting thing, and
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maybe you guys could shed more light on this, or
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maybe it's just like, hey, we just did this to
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kind of differentiate things. Superman's costume changes, like and they
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mentioned that, like that's something that comes up. They talk about,
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how like your costume has changed a little bit.
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That's why you're wearing darker colors just.
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To slight chronal molecule.
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Shit, Okay, are you making stuff up?
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No?
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They say something about it in one of the bugs.
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Okay, I'm just making sure I miss like.
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Remember, Okay, yeah, I thought he's got dirty. Listen, listen,
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traveling through a vine's not gonna stay clean.
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There's no longer mat like six explosions. You have to
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assume some debris.
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Yeah, I guess that tends to happen. Okay, all right,
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all right, I still he watched.
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The candy bar one. So that was pretty terrible. You
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you washed it, left it in my jeans and I
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put it in the washer.
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Probably slightly worse than a chronal explosion exactly.
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I know exactly how Superman feel.
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It made it to the dryer with it in there.
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No, no, no, before the n well, that would have
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been a mess, dude, that would have ruined a lot
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of laundry. All right, well, okay, then let's bat this
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one around. Uh, the Specter and Superman meet again. Now,
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I should say, I don't when did we cover the
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Specter and Superman meeting the first time? That happens after
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this right in the nineties, mid to late nineties. Anyway,
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I mean, it's cool to actually read that Superman Inspector
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are you know, coming face to face Inspector's doing a
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spector thing like, well, we can't we can't exactly get
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over there to face Hitler, but instead we want to
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send you and I'm.
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Sure you can't talk to the Justice Society. You'll mess
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stuff up. You're not supposed to be here here. Let
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me see you this other thing. It's fine, fine, you
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were you were as supposed to be here. Yeah, you're
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always supposed to be in Warsaw. And hey, great he
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freed a bunch of Jewish people that, like, you know,
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obviously those stupid Nazis were gonna kill and everybody knows
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I hate Nazis just like unabashedly, So I love watching
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Nazis get theirs, especially when Superman gives it to them.
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But kudos to them too, though, because like that's canonical.
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Like doctor Fate changed his helmet and like the Golden
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Age has happened, where like he went from like that
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full like you know, naboo helmet to like the half one,
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and he didn't have as much magical power, but he
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could still fly and hit stuff because you know, so
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like it was cool of them to like play on that.
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But like, oh, like he's not the normal doctor Fate
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because if he was, he'd confronted him too, you know,
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maybe even before the spectrum, because doctor Fate's a meddler.
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I have a Nazi note, kind of a dicey move
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to put Superman in World War two and have him
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do minimal things to stop current Nazi torture camps. But
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I understand the direction they were trying to go. It's
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hard to keep it lighthearted and fun while talking about
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that kind of thing, So like kind of the vagueness
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and the abstractness of like a nuclear war, you know,
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is better for a comic book than like, oh, we're
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gonna try and draw all the horrible things that happened.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, very long.
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I guess too. He's like, oh, I rescue these people.
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I've got to stop this bomb, and then he start
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out there he doesn't have time to think about well,
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I'll wait, I know where some bad things are happening.
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There's also the Specter's already like you can't change things.
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So theoretically Superman win the war in like eighteen seconds, right,
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destroy everything, free all the concentration camps, and like, I
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guess that would mess up time. I don't know. We'll
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talk about the fascists that run time in a little bit,
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but I know in real time they are They're just
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chrono fascists. They're like, we control it. Who's in charge
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of you? Who elected you? You're an unelected, extra temporal
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body of people with superpowers who can look at anybody
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at any time and go anywhere at any time to
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change anything that. They're like, oh, this is the right
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thing to happen. Who decided you could do this? This
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seems like something that needs to be opened up to
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a multi universal chronal electorate. And I refuse to back
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off on this, but I also think like in real
487
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time with the Superman Nazi thing, an editorial decision was
488
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made then not to have him fight Nazis, like go
489
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to World War two for the most part, then a
490
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little bit earlier on, but then there was like some
491
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back and forth, you know, and I think they the
492
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armed forces like, don't do it because like heat in
493
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the war, and you know, I mean, like it's stupid,
494
00:22:53.960 --> 00:22:56.440
like that would be bad for morales. Somehow have him
495
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sell war bonds instead, which leads to like you know,
496
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the sphere of Destiny, and then they have you know,
497
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the canonical reason why that happened. So I think it's
498
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cool that, like also, you know, he kind of ties
499
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into that real world, like and we're not gonna have
500
00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:13.000
those stories like that because you know, we can't we
501
00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:15.839
can't realistically tell that, you know. I mean, I didn't
502
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.200
stop Captain Marble like he's went hit like Hitler and
503
00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:21.279
Daredevil hit Hitler and Captain America did, but they made
504
00:23:21.319 --> 00:23:23.680
a different decision. I mean, it's weird to think about
505
00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:25.680
it because Superman was only two years old, but he
506
00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:29.279
was already like an international phenomenon by the time the
507
00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:32.319
United States got involved in World War two, because that
508
00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:34.200
would have been late forty one, he would have had
509
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.480
two years. He's already on like you know, freaking radio
510
00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:36.960
and stuff.
511
00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:41.839
Right, yeah, it's you know you Superman Struggling number one, Matt.
512
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:42.799
You kind of hit it right on.
513
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The head there where he's he's got to do all
514
00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:48.400
this stuff. Of course, he is also thinking about I
515
00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:51.160
can't really screw up time. Like That's one thing that
516
00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:54.119
he keeps kind of going to is he's afraid of
517
00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:57.440
messing something up. It seems like he doesn't want to
518
00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:00.319
mess things up too much anyway. The other thing my
519
00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:02.880
last note, well, I'll bat it to you guys here
520
00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:05.000
starring Bibbo's butt crack.
521
00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:08.319
I just saw that like it was his sitcom, like
522
00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.039
you know, it's Betropo Liza Night.
523
00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:16.319
So I loved the second installment here. That was probably
524
00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:19.680
my favorite part of the whole thing because I loved,
525
00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:23.000
like the Samson side plot. I feel like that that
526
00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:26.920
was perfect, Like he was too disoriented to be Superman,
527
00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:29.880
so he was just like, well, just sure, I'll lift
528
00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:33.640
up an elphant for a few months, right.
529
00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:35.720
Make some money work if you can get it.
530
00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.880
Especially in the forties, I mean, circuses are big.
531
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.400
I would have liked a little maybe.
532
00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:43.920
I mean, this is kind of anti Superman, but it
533
00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:46.079
would be kind of a Lowis and Clark thing to
534
00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:48.839
do if he was like flirting a little bit with
535
00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:51.240
like an aerial list or something and then he was like,
536
00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:53.559
oh no, Lois.
537
00:24:54.440 --> 00:24:56.319
Yeah, I think this is where he starts talking about
538
00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:59.799
vision problems and he just yeah, fainted at the right
539
00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:02.079
here as soon as he shows up. So yeah, I
540
00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:03.960
like how he's going around and doing that stuff.
541
00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:06.799
I mean that one lady, I guess she was the aeralist, right,
542
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:09.440
she threw herself at him, So it wasn't for lack
543
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:11.279
of try it on her part that we didn't get
544
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:12.279
that pathos.
545
00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:15.279
Right, let's see, as I already said, love the Samson
546
00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:17.480
side plot. I think it's so much fun that Superman
547
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:22.000
is canonically a circus performer. Uh, and then up to
548
00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:24.519
a Stoneman four where the heck is linear Man.
549
00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:26.279
I was expecting linear Man.
550
00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:29.039
To be a much bigger part of the story, but
551
00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:33.000
like for the first three issues, it's like he shows
552
00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:35.359
up and issue one and he's like, I'm gonna hit
553
00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:38.839
Superman because I know time, but I apparently don't know
554
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:40.160
that that's a bad idea.
555
00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:42.480
One of my cardinal arguments is you're like, who the
556
00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:44.599
fuck are these people and why the fuck are they
557
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:46.880
in charge of all time? Right?
558
00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:47.519
Yeah?
559
00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:50.960
So he shows up and he's like, I'm gonna take
560
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.960
Booster Gold and Superman's like, I'm not so sure about that,
561
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:56.720
and then the fact that he doesn't immediately back off
562
00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:03.640
tells me Okay, so he's an idiot. Yeah, and then
563
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:10.279
he's like oops, like oops like that made me laugh.
564
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:13.200
I wasn't sure where he was supposed to be when
565
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:16.799
he was an Issue four, when he was looking at Superman, like,
566
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:18.559
where is he observing from?
567
00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:19.759
Maybe?
568
00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:22.279
Yeah?
569
00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:24.359
Did I cover that in the epilogue? Yeah.
570
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:27.160
A vanishing point is like where the linear man hang out.
571
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:30.319
It's like this weird time outside of time and bubble
572
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:33.200
outside of reality where they sit and make decisions to
573
00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:36.720
impact every single one of us without consulting any single
574
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one of us pieces of crap.
575
00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:43.799
The space adventure with the Sun Eater was very fun.
576
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:45.640
Love the New Age heroes.
577
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:47.000
And then I.
578
00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:49.799
Think if I were to rank my favorite issues, it'd
579
00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:53.960
probably be number two, number five, number one, then everything else.
580
00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:56.720
Okay, all right, I mean it's kind of a throwback.
581
00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:59.000
I believe you a Golden Age story where Superman poses
582
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:02.960
a strong man. Yeah, actually Priming named Sampson. So I
583
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:05.880
like to throwbacks. Okay, they could do a whole they
584
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:08.359
could do several months of like Superman the forties, and
585
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:10.039
I would dig it. I like this stuff that actually
586
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:12.559
did in the forties. But yeah, I like the Superman
587
00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:13.319
the forties stuff.
588
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:14.559
I like the Legions stuff.
589
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.039
Is the Sun Eater thing I obviously caught wind of,
590
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:20.400
Like this is this seems like a big deal that's
591
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:21.000
happened in The.
592
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:25.680
Sun Eater is like the most dastardly, freaking inemy that
593
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:26.960
the Legion ever faced.
594
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:28.839
Bro, he's been He's been around.
595
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:30.920
Yeah, okay, all right, man, Jim.
596
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:33.680
It's like Jim shooters Big Magnum Opus is Like, they
597
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:36.960
fight the Sun Eater and Pharaoh Lad kills himself taking
598
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:38.839
a ball into the middle of it, blowing up, and
599
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:41.839
they that's where the Fatal Five come from. They free
600
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:45.160
the world's in the Galaxy's Deadliest criminals, but they still
601
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.279
can't stop the Sun Eater without Pharaoh Lad sacrifice, and
602
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:51.319
then later that's the basis for the Final Night Crossover.
603
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:55.279
When did that happen? Ninety six ninety five somewhere around there.
604
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:58.960
I think it's after How Jordan Goes Bad.
605
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:02.119
The Legion gets implicated and convoluted at different times, but
606
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:05.000
that story has stuck through every Legion continuity, of which
607
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:05.480
I'm awaar.
608
00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:08.359
Yeah, it seemed like it was a big deal. Yeah,
609
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:10.599
I had a feeling wildfire.
610
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:12.759
In all his seventies glory being like, what's the mcnail guy?
611
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:15.440
Look at me? I was designed by name Cochrum. I'm
612
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:16.359
ready for anything.
613
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:20.559
Any other notes their original I've done that.
614
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:22.039
We can cover yet.
615
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:24.920
Okay, all right, I'll let you go here, man, what
616
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:26.519
do you what are you thinking here?
617
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.359
All right? Mooster Gold great as always, just like oh man,
618
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.799
Superman's gone? Can I make some money off this? Hey?
619
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:34.319
You know this?
620
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:38.920
French Kiss also gotta be one of the few like
621
00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:43.440
non Justice League quarter quarterly appearances of reverb? Did y'all
622
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:44.480
see reverb in this?
623
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:45.960
Who is reverb?
624
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:48.559
Reverb is like ViBe's brother.
625
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:49.839
Right, oh okay?
626
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:52.559
And he was in the Conglomerate, you know Vibe from
627
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:55.680
like the Flash show. Yeah, well this is like his brother,
628
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:58.319
and he joins the conglomerate. So when Booster Gold's like
629
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:00.640
hanging out and finds out that Skeets Dye that's who
630
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:03.599
he is chatting with, So I like that. I like
631
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:06.920
so it was sad that he got done dirty. Always
632
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:10.200
fun to see Superman punch some Nazis. The Samson stuff's
633
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.119
always fun, you know, he does tied into that. And
634
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:14.680
also for some reason Superman fight Samson. I don't know
635
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:18.039
why he did, like all Star Superman and stuff so cool.
636
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:20.720
But all in all, you can really tell that this
637
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:25.319
is a creative team that's finally tuned. Like everything leads
638
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:29.480
very neatly into the rest. You don't normally compliment editors necessarily,
639
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:31.839
but at this point they're doing what will soon be
640
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:33.720
a weekly book. Right now, it's three out of four
641
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:37.839
weeks a month, and it's very seamless. And then that
642
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:41.400
seems decidedly hard to do, especially now you get a
643
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:43.920
lot of books that don't come out like every six weeks,
644
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:46.519
let alone monthly, and this is essentially like a story
645
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:48.920
that we had to have a full completed issue like
646
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.480
every week. So I'm I'm always fascinated to see that
647
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:55.200
the leads are the superheroes. I love them. I think
648
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:57.519
they're there. They can get very divisive, but I always
649
00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:00.279
like seeing them. I do wonder though, at this time,
650
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:05.079
since they decided to separate the Legion from Superman's continuity
651
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:07.920
or John Byrne had there was no super Boy, et cetera,
652
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:10.920
why not just keep them totally separate. It wound up
653
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:14.480
getting so like weird, and people used to just fret
654
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:16.519
about this connection and what it would mean or didn't.
655
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.319
If they were gonna separate, why not just separate? Like
656
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:21.319
you could just do it like I've no I've heard
657
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.920
people be like, but Superboy was their inspiration. Robin could
658
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:27.240
have been their freaking incert. Who cares? Like, you know,
659
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.519
what are you talking about, Matt. You're probably the biggest
660
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.240
Superman fan on the call, and you probably liked the
661
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.160
Legion to more than anybody. What do you think about that?
662
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.839
Why were they so married to that? Like they they're like,
663
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:40.559
on the one hand, it didn't happen, but on the
664
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:44.119
other hand, we're gonna keep this together and budget, why
665
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:45.079
not just separate?
666
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:45.319
Tiz.
667
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:48.160
I think once Burn left they kind of wanted to
668
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:49.400
put it back closer.
669
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:51.799
Thought was because really Superman in the Legion or super
670
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.200
and Legion, those stories work.
671
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:54.599
They did a whole bunch of them.
672
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:58.039
But once they got password of the initial reboot and
673
00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:00.480
burn left. I think they're like, well, to not do
674
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.079
it because of him anymore. We kind of like it, so,
675
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:05.839
I mean, I think it did it confusing in some places,
676
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:08.559
but I think their individual stories are pretty good, you
677
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:10.000
know what I mean. It's just if you sort of
678
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:12.240
look at it from the large reviewing like, well.
679
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:13.720
Wait, when are these guys doing what?
680
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:15.880
Minutes kind But I think that's the case, maybe with
681
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:17.759
all the leap and stuff, if you try to make
682
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:20.480
it all mesh perfectly, I think some people can, but
683
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:22.599
it works better for his look at the individual story
684
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:23.119
you're looking at.
685
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.519
Yes, some people like they have those boards like what
686
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:29.680
you see on them, conspiracy shows with the string like
687
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:35.039
Lightning Lands, Saturn Boy and Ramaa, Lebiason, time Trapp words
688
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:38.000
just a big circle around that one, you know, newspaper
689
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:41.039
articles and shit. I also really like the way the
690
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.200
Clark and Lois interact here, and I really love Lois Rachel.
691
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:47.319
You're obviously more in a position to comment on this
692
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.720
than I am, but especially then, there was like a
693
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:54.640
big problem writing women, particularly women supporting characters and comic books.
694
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:56.640
But I feel like they did a pretty good job
695
00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:00.319
giving Lois lade a good amount of agency here, Like
696
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:02.319
at one point she's like, I'm not gonna sit around
697
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:03.920
on a reporter. I'm gonna go get the story. What
698
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:06.599
am I doing? You know? But they also allowed her
699
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:08.759
to feel and I feel like they kind of got
700
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:11.160
that balance right. And I was wondering about your opinion
701
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:11.519
on that.
702
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:14.000
I made a little bit of a comment to Dad
703
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.799
while I was reading about it, and I made the comment,
704
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:23.039
I'm so confused, like I'm mimicking how Lois Lane's dialogue,
705
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:25.559
because that is something that stood out to me as
706
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.119
something that she said all the time she did. The
707
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.119
dudes didn't know what was growing on either, but they
708
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.000
were just like, I'm going to assume this.
709
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:34.559
Is happening, and then they just went with it.
710
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:38.920
And then Lois Lane's like, I'm confused. This time travel
711
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.440
thing seems like it's confusing, and this thing with Clark
712
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:46.200
seems like it's gonna be confusing. And so not to
713
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:49.119
dock them points for realism, because that's how any human
714
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.599
woman would react, but I feel like that's also, you know,
715
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:57.119
that's kind of the dichotomy of how they viewed female
716
00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.319
supporting characters as opposed to how heroes were supposed toy
717
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:03.839
because I feel like we get we get the message
718
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:06.680
that heroes are not supposed to be confused, even when
719
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.880
very confusing things are happening, which I feel like is
720
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.599
I don't know, it's just something that I noticed.
721
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:16.759
Fa Yeah, well, I mean Cold immediately started doing stuff,
722
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:19.720
but it's stupid, Whereas Lois is like, I'm not totally
723
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:21.279
sure what to do, don't trying to get this story.
724
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.519
I'm gonna investigate like they are.
725
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:26.519
You know, she wants to get all of the information
726
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:30.759
before she takes action, and then the other counterparts are
727
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.839
taking action before they have all the information.
728
00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:34.519
So I think you have a good point, but I
729
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think maybe to give them credit, which again the nineties,
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maybe they don't deserve all the credit. But I think
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part of it was, Yeah, Booster is action without information.
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Lois is information before action.
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Right. Well, I also think that you know, some things
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like you're saying, Rachel like saying I'm confused a lot
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end and up itself, especially in the situations, may not
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necessarily be a bad thing or a wrong thing, but
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it is probably madic. Historically, how women are portrayed as
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befunneled by like everything particularly you know, back then. So
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even though you're like, oh, that's the proper action, but
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when you hear it again and again, it kind of
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can reinforce the negative, a negative stereotype that was nobody
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really pushed back against as much as they should have been.
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Importantly, if we look at Lows of the nineties versus
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Lois of say the sixties or seventies, she's come a
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long way because she started really tough in the thirties
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and forties, but then as Superman got a little tamer,
747
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it's more like.
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How's Lois gonna try to make me merrier today?
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You know?
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And they got a botofileage out of that, but it
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does not totally fair to her as a character. So
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I think this is the early nineties are starting to
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push back, but they're probably not quite there yet.
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I mean that's my Yeah, that's my opinion on the
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writing of Lois Lane.
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I related to her as a character.
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I didn't feel like, you guys know how you know,
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like men writing women, how sometimes that comes off sounding doofish, Oh, yeah,
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you know, like there are a lot of jokes of
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like a woman would never say that, let alone a
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human would never say that. So you know, I definitely
762
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didn't feel like, oh wow, this is something that no
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one would ever say. So I definitely felt like the
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writing was realistic, and I felt that all the way through.
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There were little pieces that made me laugh because I
766
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don't think they weren't realistic, they were just funny.
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Like in one of the issues.
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I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself here, but
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this is a good place to put it is he's like, Wow,
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I'm so glad I hate attention in history class, you know,
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like now that I know this, And so I feel
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like that was either something that they were intentionally trying
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to be kind of funny with or maybe like kind
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of a forty style, like pay attention in school kids
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you might get to nineteen forties and have to know.
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Stuff history is important. Yeah, yeah, I'm just kind of
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scrolling through here. There's one of the note that I had,
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and look, Superman, I respect wants to stop that train
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full of prisoners, but like stepping in front of it
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and causing a horrible like train wreck. I don't see
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how a whole lot of people are gonna be walking
782
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away from that. They did, but my goodness, that was dangerous.
783
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What a risk.
784
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Yeah, well they were headed for a goddamn concentration camp,
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so I reckon, Okay, so I guess it's worth You know,
786
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you're right, he probably should have been more careful. But
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at the end of the day, I think most people
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who are on the trains concentration camps would have greatly
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preferred a train wreck that they had the chance to
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get away from, as opposed to the hortos fate that
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awaited them in what was you know, undoubtedly one of
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the worst crimes against humanity we've ever seen.
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Fair enough, Hey, I.
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Thought that was kind of a comic book reason of
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it's gonna look cool if he does this.
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What absolutely was that panel? It looks awesome. That panel
797
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looks awesome.
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A ton of sense.
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I think it's done because like, oh, hey, won't that
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look cool if he does that?
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Then we'll explain it.
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Yeah, yeah, do you have the panel where he's like, oops,
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that was.
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He spends a lot of time in these first few
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things like punching things and be like, oh, and maybe
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I shouldn't have Like when he punches the guys like,
807
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you know, in his office, then he punches this thing too,
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00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:07.480
you know, he's oh, yeah, I should have thought about that.
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You're getting blasted through times, Superman. I'm gonna cut you
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a little slack.
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What in the world came over me?
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Yeah, that's what he says after he slash is the
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well he was angry.
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Listen, He's not the first person who saw some Nazis
815
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and just punched before they really thought about it. I see,
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you know, I'll cut Superman some slack for that to
817
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be like, shit, I'm punching this thing. We'll figure everything
818
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else out later. But swastik equals punch.
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It did also have to tie back into Superman fifty one,
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which I don't know if they planned this fear and
821
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advance when they did that with the original Mister Z
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when he says, I mean, I don't remember exactly because
823
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I didn't re read the whole issue, but somehow Superman
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was told he would cause a train wreck in the
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forties and he's like, whatever, I don't know what, Shark Mount,
826
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You're crazy, right, But.
827
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Because mister Z meets because at this time he meets
828
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mister Z, he's like, no, no, no, you can't zap
829
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me with your magic canes, sir, which I guess he
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would fall so with a Z because he's all on
831
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that cyber talk like he's the guy's.
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Did his error.
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Oh man, all right, any other notes before I move
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on to huge mister Z and mister E a lot too.
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Mister E, Mister E's one of the trench coat guys.
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What takes Timothy Hunter with John Constantine and the Phantom Strange?
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Get it? Yeah?
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I always I thought they were the same guy for
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a long time. Spoiler they aren't.
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No, okay.
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Uh.
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By the way, I'm in the process of making my
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way through the Jeff John's run of Booster Gold, and
844
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I love seeing him in this because we had done
845
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volume one before I read this. We just did volume
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two this past for Friday. I think we recorded it.
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So big fan of Booster Gold, even though he's not
848
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in this whole time. But but he's showing up here a
849
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little bit, which I love it.
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I love him too. I love him on Braving the
851
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Ball especially. But that jl U episode, the Greatest Battle,
852
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you know, the greatest story never told, like that might
853
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be be the best episode of that show. And it's
854
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the best you know you can show Booster Gold. My
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little sister is a huge Booster Gold fan, like her
856
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and her partner cosplaying Blue Beetle and.
857
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Booster Gold Cool.
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Yeah, I don't know if I've asked you, Dean, if
859
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your sister or Jesse have you did? Has she read
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fifty two?
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I have not read fifty two, but like I've read
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Countdown for some reason, because.
863
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I'm that guy.
864
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This is a strange way to go about it. But
865
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you could.
866
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Hey, listen, Matt, not only could someone he did like
867
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I did. This isn't a hypothetical that could possibly happen.
868
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It happened in the past, provided Superman doesn't zap out
869
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of theos, which I guess it is possible. I've meant
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to read fifty two for a long time, and I
871
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think they're collecting it again. I'm gonna get it probably
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from Speedy Bullet Comics where SB Comics dot Com. You're
873
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looking for anything, He's still gonna be able to look
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you up. Get on there, email them, give him a
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call down there, Dan Hunter, Matt, Rachel, the whole gang.
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You know, can't you can't do better. I do all
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my shop with them now at this point, and like,
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I couldn't be happier. So check that out. SB Comics
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dot Com. Get on Facebook too, They're on Facebook. You
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can find them Instagram. It's it's the new future. This
881
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is what super It's sad because now the Superman traveled
882
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to this. He he come out of a new cause.
883
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He'd be like everyone talk you on Instagram, you know,
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you know, so like I'm uh, but like I'm gonna
885
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:25.079
I'm gonna order it because it is supposed to be really,
886
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really good, but I do want to read it. I
887
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wasn't getting comics at that time because I was broke,
888
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and then I got some money when Countdown was coming out,
889
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:35.079
so I started getting comics again. I was like, oh,
890
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I'll get this because fifty two was good. This will
891
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probably be good too. One of the many things I
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would be wronged about in my life.
893
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Well, he never knows.
894
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:46.159
Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, right.
895
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:48.400
Right, But that World War three spin off of it
896
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was pretty good.
897
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Okay, all right, So we're gonna do phase five, six
898
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and seven. We're gonna wrap this story up. Start with
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Action Comics six sixty four. Superman awakens millions of years.
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In the past.
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Before I get into that, let me give the creative
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team Roger Stern writing, Bob McLeod artist, Though Oakley lettering,
903
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Glenn wentmore coloring. Superman awakens millions of years in the past,
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during the Age of the Dinosaurs. Struggling with the prospect
905
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of returning to his own time, he befriends a dinosaur. Suddenly,
906
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he hears his cry for help and discovers, right right, if.
907
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:25.199
You wind up stuck you with a bunch of dinosaurs,
908
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find want to get on your team?
909
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Oh yeah, oh oh yeah.
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Discovers Kronos, a villain of the Atom who is trying
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to avoid being eaten by a large dinosaur. Cronus explains
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that he was accidentally sent back in time and his
913
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tech is malfunctioning. He suggests that he could use Superman's
914
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energy to jump forward in time. Cronus Cronos cobbles together
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a raal.
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I love superhero science.
917
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What is.
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You kept it of protal energy in your now black suit?
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I could jump forward in time? What Doc Brown would
920
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murder this man? On the se.
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Cronos cabs together a rig for Superman to wear, intending
922
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to use Superman as a power source for his own escape,
923
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planning to leave Superman behind. Realizing Cronos's betrayal, Superman destroys
924
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the rig, causing a large explosion that propels him into
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the future, leaving Cronos stranded in the past.
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Idiot, how lovely for.
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The useless linear Man.
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True, that's true.
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Superman finds himself and the snout of a wooly mammoth,
930
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finally putting it together that a large that large explosions
931
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trigger his time jumps. Determined to return to his own
932
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So this is about the first time that he's figured
933
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it out that like one can't happen. And then he's like, oh,
934
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:43.440
wait a second.
935
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Keep in mind he ain't the detective Batman is. That's
936
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why when he saw the dead guy, he's like, oh, August,
937
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this cyborg killed him.
938
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He didn't know.
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Superman saw a dead body and was like, oh, there's
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a guy here, must have killed him. I don't you
941
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know what I mean? And now here he is, He's like, oh,
942
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it takes eighty explosions to figure it out, fatman. The
943
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Punisher would have figured it out, and like, you know, happened.
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Explosion the Punisher's businesses explosion.
945
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Oh yeah, good point.
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Determined a return of his own time, he searches for
947
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something that could give him a chance to jump forward again,
948
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and he recalls that he is actually in a time
949
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period of Earth when an ancient alien.
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Civilization actually resided there.
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Heading to their location, he finds they're in the process
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of their mass exodus. Superman positions himself under a spaceship's
953
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lift off blast, hoping it will trigger another jump.
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That you apparently learned in the DC universe about the
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time this like civilization space jump.
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Like yes, because if he would have been like just
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a little bit later, I don't know how well things
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would have went.
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I don't know why he didn't just fly around the
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Earth backwards until he got to where he wanted to go.
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He did on the movie.
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Oh well, that's a good question.
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His plan works, and Superman finds himself in a forest
964
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outside of the Kingdom of campt That's right.
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We head into Superman fifty five.
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Jerry Ordway, artist and writer Glenn Whitmore on colors, John
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Castanz on letters. Camelot is under siege by Morgaine le
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Fay and her Health Bond soldiers, Igniting a massive battle.
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The soldiers of Camelot seek Merlin's aid. Berlin summons his
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half brother Etrigan, the demon Etrigan joins the fray, turning
971
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:28.000
the tide in Camelot's favor Edrigant engages a powerful champion
972
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.800
of La Fays, using his flame to blast away the
973
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:37.079
champions armor, revealing Superman underneath. Berlin immediately transports Superman to
974
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:40.679
his study and discovers that Superman is under Lafay's spell.
975
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:43.800
Merlin breaks the spell, equips Superman with a suit of
976
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:46.840
armor of his own, and sends him back into battle
977
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:52.519
against lafays demon hordes. Merlin then prepares for Camelot's fall,
978
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:55.119
as apparently he already knows that this is going to happen.
979
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.760
Maybe maybe he's a linear man and he's like, well,
980
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.559
comb about it.
981
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.559
Mama knew what was going to happen.
982
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:06.880
Uh Vin Broper Kamlot's fall, sending Etrigan to be hosted
983
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:12.679
in the body of one person named Jason Blood. So
984
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:16.719
they was like the secret origin of Vetrigan apparently, or
985
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:19.400
the origin I was gonna say, the origin.
986
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:21.440
Le Fay wait a second hold on.
987
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:25.400
As Superman confronts le Fay and her son, Merlin initiates
988
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:28.440
a spell to destroy Camelot and lo and behold we
989
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.960
have another explosion. Lefay and her son escape, watching as
990
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:37.119
a magical explosion destroys the castle with Superman inside, and
991
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:39.920
then we get to our final tale, Adventures of Superman
992
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.719
four seventy eight. Title of the story. I haven't been
993
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:44.239
given the title of the other stories, but I like
994
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:48.760
this one. Moon Rocked Letters by Albert de Guzman. Yeah, uh,
995
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:51.960
colors by Glenn Whitmore, assistant editor Dan thorpess Land. And
996
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.880
for some reason they did not credit who wrote this.
997
00:45:56.679 --> 00:46:00.679
Jurgen at this pointed Stern jurgons Nord, were you doing
998
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:04.119
the writing? And I think Simonson comes on. Louis Simonson
999
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:06.280
comes on when Man of Steel starts, because I think
1000
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:08.280
she was a big gid at the time.
1001
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:12.400
And I assume the inking belongs to the same person
1002
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:16.599
which is going to be reading. In the thirtieth century,
1003
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:19.960
the evil dev M battles Laurel Gand of the Legion
1004
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:23.400
of Superheroes on the moon. We learned that dev M
1005
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:28.159
Devm was sent to the future from the twentieth century
1006
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:31.920
by the hero Valor, who also the Legion, struggles to
1007
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.719
stop Devim's rampage. This is a future era where a
1008
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:39.760
lightning lad is now a businessman with a family and
1009
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:42.119
he well, I say a family. He's got his wife
1010
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:44.920
is his wife Saturn girl? Is that who you married, okay,
1011
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:47.360
and she's expecting you know.
1012
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:50.159
They appear to be space yuppies now.
1013
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.039
So he's got a reluctant to kind of step in.
1014
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:55.119
And now Superman finds Laurel Gand and realizes he's in
1015
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:57.239
the future. They had to a colonize part of the moon,
1016
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.400
home to twenty million people, where Superman meets the rest
1017
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:04.519
of the legion. Superman explains that explosions trigger as time jumps.
1018
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:08.239
Laurel reveals that dev M is a Daxamite from the
1019
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:10.960
twentieth century, sent to the future by Valor for a
1020
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:13.960
for a lead poisoning cure. So it sounds like this
1021
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:16.679
is like a Cable situation or Nathan Summer situation.
1022
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:20.079
Yeah, Like well yeah, Monel Valor the original one. Like
1023
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:23.320
he's a Daxamite and he meets Superboy way back in
1024
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:27.000
the day and they play baseball with petrified trees giant
1025
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.360
space meters, which is everyone's dream. I don't care what
1026
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.320
anyone says. That's what we're all, but the only all
1027
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:35.639
want to do deep inside, and like it turns out
1028
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:40.760
that like there's there's stuff's inverted, Like lead protects Superboy
1029
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:45.880
from Kryptonite, but you know, but lead hurts Daxamites and
1030
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:48.480
they need Kryptonite to protect them from it, so he
1031
00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:51.000
winds up poisoned. They put him in the phantom zone.
1032
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:53.079
He has to stand in there with the criminals forever.
1033
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:56.599
Eventually there's a cure. Back in the day, the Legion
1034
00:47:56.679 --> 00:47:57.960
cured him and then he came out and he was
1035
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.960
part of the Legion, and then like somehow, I don't know,
1036
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:03.239
they make him into Valor and he's back in the
1037
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:06.440
twentieth century. To answer this superboy question, then it really
1038
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.360
have to be asked in regard to who it inspire
1039
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:10.480
the Legion. I don't know where he's at now, but
1040
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:13.519
that's more or less how I understand Daxamites and Valor.
1041
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:14.639
What do you got, Matt?
1042
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:19.000
I feel like that was close enough. I think they
1043
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:20.599
used Daxamites for a lot of things.
1044
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:22.400
Again during the John Byrne air when he's like, there
1045
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:26.239
are no other Kryptonians, Well, we'll just make them Daximites,
1046
00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:29.400
and they led hurt them. Yeah, filled in a lot
1047
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:31.800
of people with Daxamites kind of, But I do love
1048
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:32.639
is awesome.
1049
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:35.000
I wanna say Valor felt bad about this and sent
1050
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:36.880
Devm into the future try and get him a cure.
1051
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:37.760
Is that what happened?
1052
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:41.360
Yes, because, like you know, Valdor is very much like Superboy.
1053
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:46.360
You know, they're very Superman like, you know, very honorable, valorous,
1054
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:50.960
pun intended. And also like Daxamites are stronger than Kryptodia.
1055
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:53.440
That is like canonically true.
1056
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:56.800
Okay, all right, Well there's a problem because apparently time
1057
00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:58.880
travel is driven dev Im insane.
1058
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:01.840
So that's not good. He's he's not thinking.
1059
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:04.280
With a full debt, I didn't have a lois to
1060
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:05.360
focus on to get home.
1061
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:10.039
Apparently not elsewhere on the moon, dev m kills some
1062
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:14.000
locals at the Sea of Tranquility and discovers dominators under
1063
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:16.599
the ground. Dominator Alien is just hanging out down there.
1064
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:20.039
Which so by the way, I went against my better
1065
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:22.599
judgment and I opened up the Legion book that apparently
1066
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:26.960
happens after this, and I didn't understand a d I
1067
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:31.880
don't know. I'm looking at it and I'm like, what
1068
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:32.840
is going on here?
1069
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:34.119
Dominators are going.
1070
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.239
Here's I thought, all this will be a real easy story,
1071
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.679
because I really wanted to know what happened after this story,
1072
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:41.960
and it was not an easy story to follow. But
1073
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.440
by the way, just putting this out here. Dominators, one
1074
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:47.719
of the you know, hated villains of the DC universe,
1075
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:51.400
apparently more frequent in the thirtieth century, trying to make
1076
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:55.880
a life on the Moon. I guess the Dominators are gone.
1077
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:59.760
Dominator things. They find a nearly The Legion and Superman
1078
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:02.719
find and a nearly dead Dominator and Saturn Girl reads
1079
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:05.719
its thoughts to learn that DEVM has access to plot
1080
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:09.519
to destroy the Moon that involved like three bombs. Well,
1081
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:14.559
Laurel confronts devi M. Laurel confronts Devim, but is overwhelmed
1082
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:18.559
by his strength. Superman intervenes, and DEVM triggers the bomb's countdown.
1083
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:21.880
Devm sees seems to have the upper hand until he
1084
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:27.039
falls unconscious, a victim of shrinking violet clawing on the
1085
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:29.760
inside of his head. Saturn Girl is able to stop
1086
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:34.079
the countdown, saving the moon. The Linear Man reappears, Uh,
1087
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:35.480
not cable.
1088
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:36.679
This is not cable.
1089
00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:37.880
Not the Terminator.
1090
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.519
The Linear Man, who's found Superman's location, was waiting for
1091
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:43.400
the large explosion to occur to send Superman back in time.
1092
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:44.679
He's like, this is gonna happen.
1093
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:46.280
I want to send I'm gonna grab it I'm wanna
1094
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:48.239
get him back to nineteen ninety one, and the bomb
1095
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:51.000
gets stopped. He's that upsets him just a little bit,
1096
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:55.920
so much so that he grabs the trigger for the bomb,
1097
00:50:56.039 --> 00:51:00.239
apologizes the Superman, and then proceeds to a blitter Right
1098
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.760
the moon. Superman is instantly thrown back into the present,
1099
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.400
his present time, and he is forever haunted by the
1100
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:11.639
tragedy that had to occur to bring him home.
1101
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:15.280
What a crazy accurate shot for like a random explosion.
1102
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:19.760
I don't there's yeah, there's no rhyme or reason as
1103
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:22.239
to like, Okay, he's bouncing all around, bouncing all around,
1104
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.360
bounce around, unless maybe linear Man's finally put something into play,
1105
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:27.960
Like okay, I've got these five things that are into play,
1106
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:29.719
and I got to have this explosion happen so I
1107
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.039
can finally get him right, you know, back into nineteen
1108
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:34.800
ninety one. Boy, what a lot of things had to happen.
1109
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:38.400
But man, the moon just blew up. Yeah, in the
1110
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:41.039
thirtieth century. And the way that we end this story
1111
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:43.800
is Superman is like, you know, he's glad to be
1112
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:47.039
back home on the moon, but he can't believe that
1113
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:49.159
that had to happen. In order to get him there,
1114
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:51.400
and that's where we end it. Unless you grab the
1115
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.039
issue of Legion Legion of Superheroes that I was talking
1116
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:54.440
about and.
1117
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:57.760
Be completed for mecommend I do not. Don't jump into
1118
00:51:57.760 --> 00:51:58.039
that thing.
1119
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:00.199
You better read the first five issues before you get
1120
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:01.840
into that. I think it was is You nineteen or
1121
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:05.199
something like that. But either way, we're done. Time after time,
1122
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:09.159
time and time again. That's what it's called, time and
1123
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:11.480
time again. We have finished it. I'll throw it to
1124
00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:13.000
you Dean here first. What are your notes?
1125
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:16.039
Well, I think one of my big problems. Honestly, I
1126
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:17.960
get why they saw the Legions so much, but there's
1127
00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:21.039
so many people across time in the NIS universe. I
1128
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:23.920
wish we'd have seen Jonah Hex or I wish we
1129
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:27.639
could see Anebace, you know. Or really, the guy you
1130
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:30.119
want to see is Space Cabby. He drives a cab
1131
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:32.920
in space in the future. We're Space Cabby. That's the
1132
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:33.480
guy we want.
1133
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:34.960
It's been a cool issue to read.
1134
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:39.119
It's all very well done, and I think I think
1135
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:41.039
it makes for a fun story, but I think the
1136
00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:44.000
first half was a little better, and then it just
1137
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.840
kind of ends anti climactically. With Superman being like, I
1138
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:49.559
wish I could help, but I'm stuck here, and I
1139
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:51.599
think you're supposed to be like, oh man, even the
1140
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:54.519
most powerful man in the world sometimes is powerless. But
1141
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:57.280
it just felt like a movie where they ran out
1142
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:01.320
of time, like all of a sudden, we got it does.
1143
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:04.599
It really feels like it is like wamp done credits
1144
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.159
role and you're like, wait, But I always.
1145
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:09.760
Like seeing Laurel Gan. She's one of my favorite legionnaires.
1146
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:12.119
I'm not really sure why, you know, I just think
1147
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:14.400
it's cool that there's a Supergirl analog in the Legion
1148
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:19.239
that's a dachsa m and you got the linear Man
1149
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.519
is just useless and he's so like lucky and weird,
1150
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.639
but at the same time I like him for those reasons.
1151
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:28.480
He's just like I don't know, I mean, I don't
1152
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:30.800
know who's some purpose or not. But it feels very
1153
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:32.880
much like a Cable parody in a good way.
1154
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:37.519
I was really getting Cable vibes quite a bit from this,
1155
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:41.920
and we are like, what like three years outside of
1156
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:45.920
Cable's creation, Like Cable was created and what first Cable
1157
00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:49.559
was January January ninth, nineteen ninety So I would have
1158
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:52.320
been almost a year one year prior to the story.
1159
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:54.719
That's why he does still a lot like Cable. But
1160
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:57.360
all in all, I mean it's a fun adventure. You
1161
00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:01.039
accept the wonkiness with time travel. They kept all the
1162
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:03.639
subplots going when I thought they did a pretty good
1163
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:07.360
job back on Earth. I really appreciated the Luther guys
1164
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:09.000
who are like, maybe it's into the world, but we
1165
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:10.599
won't have to do that, because I think that like
1166
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:14.320
every day when I go to work, So I respect that.
1167
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:17.559
All in all, I mean, i'd recommend it. It's a
1168
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:19.880
nice time travel story, and if you like Superman, you
1169
00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:22.599
like Superman in this era, you'll like it. I think
1170
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.000
it starts stronger than it finishes. And that's like my
1171
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:26.440
being complaint about it.
1172
00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:29.480
Okay, I've got a few notes. Let's just okay right off,
1173
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:33.039
right now. I have listened the more was not was
1174
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:38.400
because of Everybody Walks the Dinosaur and that joke that
1175
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:40.960
was made in that one issue than I ever have
1176
00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:43.320
and probably when it first came out. Oh, I shouldn't
1177
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:45.599
say that, because that was on the radio a lot
1178
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:49.639
at mistake. Probably within twenty twenty years. I've listened to
1179
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:52.199
that song about five or six times my son. By
1180
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:53.599
the way, it made my son listen to it. My
1181
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:56.639
fourteen year always like that song slaps.
1182
00:54:57.159 --> 00:54:59.960
I'm like, yeah, it does. That's right. It transcends generation.
1183
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:01.679
I thought you were going to be like and he
1184
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:03.679
called Child Protective Services on me.
1185
00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:06.239
Come on, I didn't realize though, I was telling Evan,
1186
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:07.760
I think I put this on the site, but I
1187
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.639
didn't realize how violent that song gets, like because at
1188
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:13.880
the beginning it's everybody walks a dinosaur, and it continues
1189
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:16.559
that way for a couple, you know, a few verses,
1190
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:19.400
and then at the end it's everybody kills the dinosaur.
1191
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:20.679
Everybody killed a dinosaur.
1192
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:21.840
I was hungry.
1193
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:22.480
That's sad.
1194
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:24.119
I don't know what you want me to tell you.
1195
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:25.000
It's a circle of line.
1196
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:25.360
I don't.
1197
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:25.679
I don't.
1198
00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:30.280
You got a good point, Camelot, it had to happen, Matt.
1199
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:33.320
You said it had to happen, and we It hasn't
1200
00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:35.320
aired yet. I mean, at some point it's going to air.
1201
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:37.639
It's edited, it's on the agenda here. Death's had two
1202
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:41.559
made it to Camelot at one point, so time traveling.
1203
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:43.639
I mean, the odds of you hitting Camelot are like
1204
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one and six.
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Yeah, also noticed the swamp thing reference where they're like,
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00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:52.400
since the Elemental fell, because in the Ring Beat swamp
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00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.440
Thing run swamping was like kind of traveling through time
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00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:58.039
like this, and he wanted him in Camelot and they're like, oh,
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00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:00.760
there's a prediction that like will fall and he he's like, oh,
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00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:03.719
just I'll get real big and you can be on
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00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:06.280
my back, and then he time travels and it falls.
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So that's the elemental they were mentioning.
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As far as the story goes as a whole, I
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00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:13.119
had a good time reading this. This was a situation
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00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.119
where I'm a big fan of time travel and kind
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00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:18.639
of seeing Superman have to go through that. I know
1217
00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:23.400
I've seen other stories that told this you used time
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00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:26.239
travel as a device with Superman in it, But this
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00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:29.119
is the first time I really sat down and read
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00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:32.519
six consecutive issues where he's trying to get back, which
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00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:34.239
is fun and you're trying to figure out, Okay, how's
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00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:34.840
he going to do this?
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00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:35.679
How's he going to get back?
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00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:37.880
Is he just going to continually bounce around in time
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00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.679
for quite a while so all together out.
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Yes, that's how he's going to get back. He's just
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00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:44.360
going to bounce around until he randomly gets back to.
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00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:48.960
Where he does. Rachel, you can go ahead and go okay.
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00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:51.320
I started to talk like the comic books as I
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00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:55.840
was writing stuff down, because I wrote Superman Meets the Dinosaurs.
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What to read.
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There on the front cover, right.
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I like the addition of Kronos, very interesting to run
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00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:07.000
into two hundred million years in the past, like just yea,
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00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:09.199
oh coincidence we're both here at the same time.
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00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:13.199
It's a lot of Coincidenceiforn somebody from your hometown.
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00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:17.440
Like why is he a villain of the atom because
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00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:19.199
like it's like, hey, what do you do? I get
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00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:22.239
real small, what do you do? I have mastered time?
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00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:26.000
What how do they fight? I do think that every
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00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:26.760
time I see Krona.
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00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:27.480
I thought I.
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00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:30.199
Would like the sixth installment more than I did. Camelot
1244
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:32.719
was an interesting place to explore, and they mostly avoided
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00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:35.440
doing that. Like most of the scenes were either inside
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00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:38.719
the castle or right outside the castle. It was not
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00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:42.039
like the Samson issue, which I liked. It was, you know,
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00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:44.599
just very much like let's shove you in this suit
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00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.239
of armor and you go fight people.
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00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:46.599
Now.
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00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:49.119
It was not a lot of exploring Camelot. It was
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00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:52.239
just a lot of super being pushed around, and so
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I liked that we got to experience Camelot.
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00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:56.920
I wish we could have gotten to experience it a
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00:57:56.920 --> 00:57:57.360
little bit.
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00:57:57.440 --> 00:57:59.960
Always good to see the demon though, Oh I love it.
1257
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:03.480
Treated it was he talking in rhyme. I didn't notice
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00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:04.360
he did.
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00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:06.320
But he didn't once but mostly he did.
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00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:09.239
Okay, all right, And then I said kind of a
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00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:11.159
depressing ending, Rip Moon.
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Rip Moon.
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You know, like I said, I went and grabbed the
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00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:17.920
Legion of Superheroes number nineteen after this because I had
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00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:19.920
to know, like, how in the world are they dealing
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00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:22.679
with this? And there were a lot of characters, a
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00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:24.119
lot of things that I did, and a lot of
1268
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:26.719
things that were in place that expected you to know
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00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:27.840
what the hell was going on.
1270
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:30.639
Yeah, it's not a clean I started to read.
1271
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:32.159
I'm like, this is not gonna be a clean on
1272
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:34.119
Ramo to like go back, and.
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00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:38.480
So it was believe or not. You're not the first
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00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:42.519
person who criticized the Legion of Superheroes for that this
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00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:45.840
mythology seems impervious to human understanding.
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00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:49.000
But you think coming out of Superman Crossover, maybe you'd
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00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:51.360
be like, let's have an issue for the Superman fans
1278
00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:53.760
kind of ease them in, but what a reason that
1279
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:56.159
didn't happen. It feels like you had a lot more
1280
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:58.199
time in the forties and that was really needy and
1281
00:58:58.199 --> 00:58:59.599
that was really fun. But then at the end came
1282
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:01.000
a lot was kind of like, well, you got to
1283
00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:01.519
get to the end.
1284
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:01.920
Of this thing.
1285
00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:07.760
Yeah, super rushed, But yeah, I thought the Moon stuff
1286
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:12.599
was interesting. I agree that it started stronger than it ended.
1287
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:16.039
It was like, all right, and we're building and we're building,
1288
00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:17.840
and we're building, and we gotta and we got it
1289
00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:21.880
and we gotta go throughout.
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00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:24.800
I felt like, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
1291
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:26.599
There wasn't any jarring, like, oh my gosh, I'm reading
1292
00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:29.559
this comic now. I think everything flowed really well because
1293
00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:31.920
we have two sort of epilogues after this where they
1294
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:34.440
were like this, this story isn't completely done yet.
1295
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:35.639
We got more to add to it.
1296
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:39.079
But I don't think you can say anything more about
1297
00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:42.840
this story other than rip Moon. That's like the perfect,
1298
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:46.199
perfect way to epitomize the entire.
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00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:48.599
Do you have any idea of the amount of sales
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00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:49.679
if that would have been on the copy?
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00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:55.280
All right, Rip Moon. You had a good run putting
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00:59:55.280 --> 01:00:00.039
the years underneath, Rachel, you're a genius. Let's make it
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01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:03.880
Rachel's idea. Yes, you're like question mark, question mark, question
1304
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:11.079
mark date through exactly whatever. Somebody marks out the whole
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01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:12.800
thing and it's like fake because they're one of those
1306
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:14.360
conspiracy theorists.
1307
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:16.800
Like there was no moon, they never blew up the moon.
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01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:19.679
Yeah, alright, pop genius beautiful.
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01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.360
I think for its time, it's very good fun time
1310
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:25.840
travels through Superman maybe ended a little anti commacually, even
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01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:26.800
though they did blow up the moon.
1312
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:29.199
Yeah, that's the weird thing to say. I don't think
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01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:32.360
I've ever seen like a planet or satellite or star
1314
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:34.719
get blown up and then be like man, that was
1315
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:39.559
anti climax. You know, usually when heavenly bodies are destroyed
1316
01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:42.480
and pretty even like faquins, like when they blow up
1317
01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:44.119
the Death Star, you're pretty impressed.
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01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:52.239
The one guy that walked out of Star Wars going.
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01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:52.440
Yeah, there's one guy for.
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01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:56.760
For this where the characters were five out of five stars,
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01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:59.360
writing I thought was probably three out of five stars,
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01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:01.800
plot probably three out of five stars, ending four to
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01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:02.719
five stars and over.
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01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:06.320
Well I love ratings, all right, you like it? I
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01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:08.880
like it? All right? Well Superman sixty one.
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01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:12.480
We're heading into a cover date of November of nineteen
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01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:16.960
ninety one, and we are going to get one of
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01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:19.960
my I remember reading Armaged in two thousand and one
1329
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:23.159
and being all excited about this new character that we
1330
01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:25.320
learned about in there. I think it was his first
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01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:27.840
appearance was in that story, and that's Rage.
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01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:30.519
In two thousand and one. Number one wave Writer Matthew Rider.
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01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:31.239
That's right.
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01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:34.960
So we got Waverwrider showing up here, and here we
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01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:38.400
are these title. This story is time and time again again.
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01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:41.320
Story by Dan Jurgen's story and art by Dan Jurgens,
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01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:45.920
Brett Breeding signed a really large finished art, John Costanzo
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01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:49.760
on lettering, and Glenn Whitmore on colors. The Time Wanderer
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01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:54.079
Wavewrider travels back to a time shortly after a major
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01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:58.400
implosion at Star Labs, where Superman and the Metalmen are
1341
01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:01.320
assisting in the cleanup of trying to recover a large
1342
01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:05.480
quantum generator. Amidst the chaos, Wavewriter encounters his younger self.
1343
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:09.880
The quantum generator suddenly explodes, and Wavewriter realizes this is
1344
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:14.320
the day that his parents died, but time has stopped.
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01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:17.159
A mysterious woman appears in teleports Superman and the Quantum
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01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:20.800
Generator to a place called Vanishing Point Wave one.
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01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:23.440
Once again, if they decide to interfere with time, it's fine,
1348
01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:24.880
It's fine, Yeah.
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01:02:24.559 --> 01:02:25.239
Right right.
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01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:29.320
Waverriter follows and revives Superman from his frozen state. They
1351
01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:33.000
meet three individuals, the woman Leary, Lee, rip Hunter, and
1352
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:38.159
a mysterious hooded figure. These are the Linear Men, Guardsmen
1353
01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:41.840
or guardians of the time stream. They explain that they
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01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:45.320
brought the Generator to study its effects on times, intending
1355
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:48.440
to return it and let history unfold naturally. Superman is
1356
01:02:48.440 --> 01:02:51.199
distressed about the lives loss due to these events, but
1357
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:53.880
the Linear Men argue that altering history could lead to
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01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:57.920
worse consequences. They criticize Wavewriter for his previous changes to
1359
01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:01.559
the timeline. Leary confesses the Superman that she actually has
1360
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:04.039
tried to compensate for the suffering the Linear Men has
1361
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:07.559
caused him by manipulating some moments in his life. As
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01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:10.599
they prepare to send Wavewriter and Superman back, Wavewriter sezes
1363
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:13.840
Leary's risk control device back in nineteen ninety one. He
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01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:16.920
uses it to remove the Quantum Generator from the time stream,
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01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:20.679
saving his parents and others. Meanwhile, the hooded figure reveals
1366
01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:24.079
himself at the end to be Matthew Writer, a version
1367
01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:27.679
of Wavewriter from a reality where the generator was removed
1368
01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:33.360
and did not kill his parents. Matt Matthew seems surprisingly
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01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:38.679
accepting of Wavewriter's actions, despite the potential implications. And then
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01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:42.599
we go a little bit further to Superman seventy three,
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01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:45.440
and as we get into that cover dated has had
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01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:47.679
to been ninety two November.
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01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:49.239
Of ninety two to die and.
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01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:53.960
Our creative team is Dan Jurgen's on story in layouts
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01:03:54.000 --> 01:04:00.840
finishes Brett Breeding letters by John Constana, cun Stanza, cuss Stanza, Colors,
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01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:06.079
Glenn Wentmore. Leary approaches Superman for help, expressing the linear
1377
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:10.159
men's concern over Waverriter's mental state and warning him of
1378
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:13.199
a potential counter Later that evening, Clark and Lois are
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01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:16.280
dining with Lana and Pete when an elderly man at
1380
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:18.920
a nearby table has a heart attack. Clark is about
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01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:24.360
to intervene when Oh Time stops suddenly and Wavewriter materializes.
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01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:29.000
Wavewriter realizes this is the moment his grandfather died, with
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01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:33.960
his younger self present at the table. Superman notices Waverriter's
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01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:37.440
distress and attempts to reason with him, but Wavewriter transports
1385
01:04:37.519 --> 01:04:40.119
them both to the Vanishing Point, a place outside of
1386
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:43.920
space and time, to confront the linear Men. Leary Rippunter
1387
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:48.000
and Matthew Ryder are there. Wavewriter believes they are tormenting him,
1388
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:51.159
making him relive his past tragedies, which, by the way,
1389
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:53.480
I can't remember if we get word as to whether
1390
01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:55.440
they are or not. I don't know who is bouncing
1391
01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:58.400
Waverwriter around in time. I feel like it wasn't them,
1392
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:02.039
but I don't know. The linear men attempt to restrain them,
1393
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:05.760
but Wavewriter resists. As Matthew Writer reveals himself to Wavewriter
1394
01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:10.320
in a moment of desperation, Wavewriter blasts Matthew, killing him.
1395
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:13.840
This action disrupts the time stream, plunging them in weights Hey,
1396
01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:16.159
and then next thing you know, they're in a noll sphere.
1397
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:20.159
Leary is cradling Matthew's body, screaming at that Waveriter has
1398
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:25.119
killed her husband. Touching Matthew's body, Waveriters sees their divergent paths.
1399
01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:30.320
Matthew worked for Lex Luthor while Waverrid worked for Monarch. Horrified,
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01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:35.239
Wavewriter realizes Matthew's greater significance to the timeline. He quickly
1401
01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:38.239
devises a plan restoring the time energies and freeing them
1402
01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:40.800
from the nol sphere by going back in time to
1403
01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:44.440
save Matthew before the blast play with fire there Wavewriter.
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01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:48.280
Wavewriter offers to join the Linear Men, and although Rip
1405
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:52.719
is vehemently against it, Matthew accepts Superman in the middle
1406
01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:55.960
of expressing his concern for their power. That's Dean Compton there,
1407
01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:01.679
expressing his concern for their power. His return to the restaurant,
1408
01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:05.280
he contemplates aiding the elderly man, but realizes the doctors
1409
01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:08.800
have already confirmed his instant death due to a massive
1410
01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:09.480
heart attack.
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01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:13.280
So there you go. That is time and time again
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01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:18.599
again and time writers spelled r y d ers. That's right,
1413
01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:20.440
that's right, because there's two. There's two.
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01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:24.880
So really, I think we're using these two stories as
1415
01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:27.559
a vehicle to kind of shine some light on the
1416
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:31.599
Linear Men and kind of throw them into Superman. I
1417
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:34.559
feel like these guys were probably they're wanting to do
1418
01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:37.199
something with them, So you guys would probably know more
1419
01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:40.039
than I would as far as like what the Linear
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01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:43.239
Men were doing. I remember Dary was one that was like, hey, man,
1421
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:44.880
you need to check out the Linear Men. And I
1422
01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:46.719
had no idea who Maybe it was you Mad, I
1423
01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:49.239
can't remember. I had no idea who the Linear Men were.
1424
01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:51.199
So this is actually the first time I've read a
1425
01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:53.400
story with the Linear Men in it. I didn't realize
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01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:55.599
Rip Punter was a part of it. I had no idea.
1427
01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:57.920
But anyway, it felt like this was a vehicle to
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01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:00.920
kind of shine a light on these characters and maybe
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01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:04.679
expand Waveriters story a little bit more, because he was,
1430
01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:07.280
you know, a pretty hot character coming out of armagain
1431
01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:10.039
in two thousand and one. But as far as he
1432
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:13.679
did get a hologram, and I mean he's got he's
1433
01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:16.079
got some pretty cool powers, you know, being able to
1434
01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:18.599
see time and do whatever he wants in time, which
1435
01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:21.039
is you know, he's got this push and well this
1436
01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:24.480
mainly this antagonistic relationship with the Linear Men. By the
1437
01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:26.920
end of this, you know, there he's like, okay, yeah,
1438
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:29.639
we got two time. We got to Matthew Riders working
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on the Linear Men now, which was pretty cool. But
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other than that, I mean, it's Clark being helpless. It's
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Superman just being essentially helpless in this situation, and they're
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just like, Okay, we're gonna throw you here, We're going
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to throw you there. You have to deal. Just be
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aware we're out here.
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And that's it.
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So, I mean, I had a good time reading it,
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01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:50.159
but it's a neat way to kind of bring the
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01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:51.519
Linear Men back into a Dean.
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I think that the second one, which also features a
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page of Doomsday punching his prison, so that's you know,
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01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:00.679
coming up Subaran skin to die, you know. I think
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01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:03.079
the biggest thing about that is and I wonder if
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01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:05.360
this is on purpose because Jurgens had to have this
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01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:07.599
someone on his radar at this point or maybe was
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01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:09.920
about to was They're going to play a big role
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01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:12.320
in Zero Hour, which is gonna happen in like a
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01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:15.599
couple of years after this. That's probably the apex of
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01:08:15.679 --> 01:08:18.079
Linear min as far as I know. Like when they
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were in Zero Hour, I think they were trying to
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expand the Superman family a little bit, and I don't
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think they got over enough after to really play a
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01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:28.600
big role after Zero Hour. Surely they did a couple
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01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:29.760
of things, but that was like.
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Yeah.
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So the other thing is I like the MetalMan they
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were in the first issue. I didn't like how Professor
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01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:41.000
Emil Hamilton was like, they're just machines, and Will Magnus
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01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:43.119
is like, shut up, man, they're my friends.
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Right.
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It was just, you know, the first issue is nice
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and ties this up, and it also kind of ties
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up are we get in two thousand and one. It's
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01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:54.520
kind of a double tie in. I think the second
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01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:57.159
issue was just kind of like, hey, we've got it.
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01:08:57.479 --> 01:08:59.960
Felt a lot like I guess it was Superman seven
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01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:02.239
three the Puff a lot like we've got a neat
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01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:04.279
little story to tell, we've got to kill some time
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01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:08.000
wal Doomsday shows up. Let's bring this back together, because
1479
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:10.479
there were some loose threads with Wave Bryer going through
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01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:13.000
do whatever he wanted in time, but they had already
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01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:15.479
established that the Linear Men didn't like it when people
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01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:17.800
did that. Let's tie this up at an issue and
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01:09:17.800 --> 01:09:20.279
if it gets people more interested in the Linear Men, cool,
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01:09:20.720 --> 01:09:22.239
and in a year and a half or so, we're
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01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:26.000
gonna use these guys. So they've got a little rub
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01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:28.680
in like you know, our number one superheroes books. That's
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01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:29.680
kind of how I felt.
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01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:32.319
I guess you could say the biggest probably impact of
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01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:36.000
Linear Men is that you had Ribhunter and people traveling
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01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:36.399
through time.
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01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:39.439
With him on Legends of Tomorrow, right, Yeah.
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01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:42.239
That's probably the biggest Yeah, you know, the biggest one
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01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:44.560
is that, you know, the linear Men do wind up
1494
01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:47.199
doing a lot of Legends of Tomorrow stuff, which that
1495
01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:49.520
is a batshit and crazy show if you have never
1496
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:52.119
loved that. I like that the best episodes of the
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01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:53.359
jonah Hexx episodes.
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01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:57.239
So the germ of the idea is kind of there.
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01:09:57.319 --> 01:10:00.359
I think vanishing point is in the TV show that's
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01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:03.279
so familiar, but I can't say for sure. Yeah, the
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01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:07.079
german of the idea is definitely here. And these guys
1502
01:10:07.079 --> 01:10:08.800
would you know, wave Writer would show up and talk
1503
01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:11.039
to Superman every now and then, and I don't know
1504
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:15.760
when he started getting less play, but solid issues. If
1505
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:17.640
you read Time and Time Again, you don't have to
1506
01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:19.920
read either of these. They don't add anything to that,
1507
01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:23.079
but they are neat snap shots into how time travel
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01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:26.079
is going to work within the Superman comics, which means
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01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:28.000
how it's gonna work in the Greater or DC universe,
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01:10:28.359 --> 01:10:31.800
which means that it is ran by an unelected imperium
1511
01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:33.800
of crono fascists.
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01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:36.199
I do recall saying and sending a message to you
1513
01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:38.399
guys about how excited. I was that though I did
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01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:40.560
read these two issues on top of what we had.
1515
01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:43.720
You know, I appreciate a good wavewriter story, and this
1516
01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:46.319
kind of gave us a lot more, just like you
1517
01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:48.239
were saying, expanding on the methos a wave writer and
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01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:48.840
the linear men.
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01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:50.560
So I'm alright with that.
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01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:54.840
Necessary for the time, but doesn't hurt anything, give more context.
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01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:56.359
Do you have any notes there, Matt.
1522
01:10:56.439 --> 01:10:58.800
No, I mean, like I said, kind of read those briefly,
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01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:01.039
and okay, you kind of up up the Matthew Ryder
1524
01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:03.000
thing for the most part, that's the most important part.
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01:11:03.079 --> 01:11:05.000
It really that almost goes more with Army.
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01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:06.239
Get in two thousand and one than the time and
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01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:10.319
again but nonetheless probably good at least as far as
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01:11:10.439 --> 01:11:12.159
to kind of put a bow on that story to
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01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:13.239
some degree.
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01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:16.119
And get them ready to be big players in zero Hour,
1531
01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:18.720
which is the crisis in time.
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01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:22.880
Do they show up in the Cronos series?
1533
01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:26.000
I can't remember. I haven't read that in a while,
1534
01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:27.479
but it wouldn't surprise me.
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01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:31.199
Okay, there's a Crodo series like from Are we talking
1536
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:32.319
about the same villain that's in.
1537
01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:34.359
This replacement of that guy?
1538
01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:34.960
Yeah?
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01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:37.319
Okay, I think he finds his suit or something. I'm
1540
01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:37.880
not positive that.
1541
01:11:37.840 --> 01:11:40.239
It sounds that sounds correct that he found his suit
1542
01:11:40.319 --> 01:11:40.880
pretty good.
1543
01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:42.479
I feel like he's a guy, he has a time
1544
01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:44.239
to revel suit and he's sort of on the run
1545
01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:46.319
from somebody and maybe it's a leanerman.
1546
01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:50.199
Critically acclaimed but a commercial flopped, but kind of similar
1547
01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:52.680
to how he appeared in Jail You in the two
1548
01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:56.000
part episode where he was traveling through time and they
1549
01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:58.680
meet the Western heroes and then there's the Justice League
1550
01:11:58.680 --> 01:12:01.000
in the future with like stating shit and green Lantern
1551
01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:04.199
and Hawkgirl's kid or whatever, where he was like, I
1552
01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:07.159
wasn't really you know, at first, he wasn't stealing anything,
1553
01:12:07.279 --> 01:12:08.920
you know, and everything, but like he was just kind
1554
01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:11.960
of messing around. I think this Crodos like goes more
1555
01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:13.239
to that messing around thing.
1556
01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:16.720
Rachel was great having you here. Thank you very much
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01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:19.479
for joining us. Appreciate that. Did you have men? I
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01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:21.000
don't know if you have anything to plug. Do you
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01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:23.279
do other podcasts or anything like that? I need to
1560
01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:23.800
be listening to.
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01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:24.279
No.
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01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:30.079
I'm getting my master's degree in social work right lcsw yep,
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01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:33.640
I'm gonna get license stuff. Do I get my master's nice?
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01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:36.560
Well, then Dean com to tell them about the Unspoken Decade.
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01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:39.800
No, all right then, no for real, the Unspoken decade
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01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:41.920
dot com lots of great stuff going. We're gonna publish
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something today as a matter of fact, and the Unspoken Decade.
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Over on Facebook, we're up to, like, I think, twenty
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four thousand followers now, so obviously it's very cool. You
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should probably follow it. And then we're just posting nineties
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comedies and just having a lot of fun. So we're
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always looking for more people to come and talk with us,
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and who're nice. If you're not nice, don't come if
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you don't like And also there's a lot of people
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who come and just like complain about ninety stuff. Listen,
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like this stuff, what are you doing here? Go somewhere.
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Where's the stuff you like? I'd like this stuff. Don't
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come here if you just want to bad mount this stuff.
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Oh man, I'll go ahead my plugs.
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And then we're gonna sit it out with Matthew Price,
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01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:26.760
gonna hit us up with the website and everything over
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01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:27.079
there for.
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Speeding bullet comics.
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But myself, ladies and gentlemen, you could check out the
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Source Material Comics podcast, where we talk about any era
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of comics, So that's right here on the Source Material
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Comics feed. And then we of course have the Unspoken
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Issues podcast where we just discussed a nineties comic and
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we do plenty of that. We're at over one hundred episodes,
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so please feel free to check that out. And if
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you play mobile card games such as Marvel Snap, Dean
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Compton always in on those conversations.
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Don't play Marvel Snap too on the one.
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01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:02.680
Out you're playing it. I love it.
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01:14:02.880 --> 01:14:05.239
Anyway, you can check out the podcast for myself and
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Evin Bevins get together and we discuss Marvel Snap. I'm
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talking about the previous season and the upcoming season and
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all sorts of stuff in between. We have fun top fives.
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01:14:13.039 --> 01:14:15.399
Ivan always brings a good top five to the table.
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Matthew Price send them out with some information about Speeding
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Bullet Comics.
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Oh okay, great, yeah, hey, thanks for having me on.
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You can find us sp Comics dot com or Speeding
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I don't have anything else to plug so an.
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At work weekends. So if you're a Norman, come down.
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Yeah, come one down six fourteen North Porter. Talk to
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Rachel as she's here most Saturdays and Sundays.
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All right, fantastic, well Rachel. For Matt Dean, I'm Jesse.
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Thanks for joining us. We'll talk to you soon.
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