We Interview Each Other Pt 2 | Joe Bryan on Addiction, Rehab + The Night His Dealer Said No - EP 41

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We'd like to thank
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of The Shift with Mike and Joe.
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There we go.
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I kinda like this.
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(laughs)
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I like the slow nods sometimes.
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(upbeat music)
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Nope.
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Really something outside.
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(upbeat music)
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And all.
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It's Mike and Joe
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(sighs)
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All right, welcome to The
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Shift with Mike and Joe.
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And this is episode number 41.
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41.
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41.
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It's Dave Matthews band song.
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Oh yeah, it is.
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That was a pretty good tune.
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Yeah, I don't remember how it goes,
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but it's, I remember liking it.
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I was really into Dave
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Matthews' era a long time ago.
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Whoa, slow down.
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And then I kinda got.
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Yeah, me too actually.
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Was that one of the
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questions you were gonna ask me?
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When was your Dave Matthews face?
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Right, yeah, yeah.
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Well, we can get into that later.
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So this is a second installment
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of a two-part series that we're doing.
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Last episode, I interviewed.
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Sort of.
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Michael.
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And today he's going to interview me.
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And yeah, we're just
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gonna see how that goes.
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Gonna be special.
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Oh, spam risk.
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Spam risk.
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I gotta take this.
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Okay.
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So I guess I'll ask
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you some questions now.
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Okay, all right.
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Okay, first question.
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Fire away buddy.
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It's kind of a tough one to answer,
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but what's your favorite thing about me?
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My favorite thing about you?
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Yes.
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Um.
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Can't say hair.
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I'm talking about like.
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Could you tell that I was
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just looking at your hair?
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It's got an
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interesting thing going on today.
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It's cool.
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It's got the point, but it's
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got this little teeny curl.
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Okay, so.
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Also real quick, I have to apologize
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to our very few
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listeners because I don't have,
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I've kinda lost my voice a little.
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Aw.
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Yeah, I know.
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Poor joke.
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I had a lot of gigs this weekend.
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Yeah.
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I made a lot more tips than like.
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You did.
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You had better gigs than I did.
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But one of my non-fans
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migrated from my show
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over to your show.
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I'll answer your
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question, but I am curious,
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what song did you play for
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her when she came over there,
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when she wanted to dance?
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Oh, well first I played, so.
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Did you play Let's Dance?
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No, I was getting ready to end my show.
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And this guy was like, can I sing a song?
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Right when she was talking to me.
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And I was like, sure, why not?
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And he was like, play these
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three chords over and over again
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and play it like a reggae thing.
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So you let somebody come
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up there and play a song?
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Oh, I played.
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And sing a song?
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Dude, it's.
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Well, it was, yeah.
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It's Betty's.
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Yeah, it's Betty's, yeah.
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not a lot of people there
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and they were kind of all there together
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and it was a good move.
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Right, okay.
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And actually, the dude
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had a really good voice.
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Like, it was like way
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better voice than me.
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Well, that's, yeah, I mean,
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I wouldn't have been
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surprised if he was terrible,
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but I guess it's not surprising
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if he's gonna ask you to sing a song.
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Yeah, he was good.
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So we played like a reggae
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version of, I don't know,
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it was like a mashup of
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like 40 ounces of freedom
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and steer it up or stir it up.
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Steer it up, what is it?
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He says steer it up.
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like the Jamaican accent.
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Yeah, stir it up.
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Cool, all right.
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She wanted to play a Rolling Stone song.
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The only Rolling Stone
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song I know is Wild Horses,
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which is like--
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Not a dancing song.
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Not a dance song.
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So I was like, how
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about some Johnny Cash?
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So I played, "Doom,
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doom, doom, doom, doom,
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Folsom Prison," and then they were like,
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"One more song, one more song."
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And I was like, sorry guys, no.
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Nope, did you really?
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No, I played Bad Moon Rising.
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That's a dancer.
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So you gave them what
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they were looking for.
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Yeah, but this lady was, she was not,
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she was a tough, she wasn't
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a happy camper in general.
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Yeah, I know, I know.
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And she was like, "I
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don't really like CCR,
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but that was okay, I guess."
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I never really got into them.
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Sorry, I'm not your personal true fox.
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Even though she danced
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the whole time, yeah.
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So whatever, lady.
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Does people make me angry?
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She did give me some money though, so.
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I'll take that.
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That's good.
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I don't think she gave me any money,
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but her, the people
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that she was with did.
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All right, so thanks for--
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Good at introducing
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that story that we started
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before the show started.
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Is this something you had
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to do on camera like that?
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I don't know.
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All right, so what do I
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like the most about you?
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I mean, I admire your hair.
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You got great hair, Mike.
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(laughing)
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I mean, you know, I think that you are,
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I think you're a pretty responsible,
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self-aware person.
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Thank you, Joe.
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In a similar way to me.
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Yes, well.
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So yeah, I like that about you.
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I think that we have,
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there's definitely areas of our lives
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where we're like way far apart.
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But yeah, I think that that part,
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parts of our personality are similar.
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So I like that about you because it's,
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I see, like I feel like we
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can relate on that level.
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Next question about you.
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Okay.
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What's your least
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favorite thing about me?
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My least favorite thing about you?
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That you don't cuss anymore.
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Oh, you don't like that?
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I mean, it's not really my
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least favorite thing about you,
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but sometimes I wish
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you would cuss with me.
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Just throw out a couple.
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I gotcha.
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Yeah, it's almost like when I hear you,
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earlier you were telling me to suck balls
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or something like that.
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And I was like, whoa, whoa.
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Mike's feeling frisky today.
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Not in that way, but.
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So like, yeah, yeah.
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I could understand that.
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All right, but what's
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seriously my, I don't know, man.
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I mean, it's not like I dislike it,
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but like I wish you
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would just buy a new car.
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Yeah, no, I get, yeah,
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like I'm kind of cheap.
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But I mean, it doesn't
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really affect me in any way,
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but it's like, you know,
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when I hear you talking
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about the car problems you have.
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Yeah.
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But I mean, hey, you know,
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I also admire that about you
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because, you know, I would just be like,
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well, let's get rid of
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this car and get a new one.
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And I'd probably get something that is
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more than what I need.
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But you're really good at not doing that.
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Yeah.
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You know, you're really good at like.
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Duct taping things together.
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Yeah, well, I don't
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know if you're good at,
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you're good at like not
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replacing things immediately
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brand new stuff and spending money
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that you don't necessarily need to spend.
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This is a great interview so far.
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All right.
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All right, but for real,
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let's talk about you first.
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So Joe, tell me about
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your early childhood,
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like things like, I mean,
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anything you want to tell me,
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but like, you know, what
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was your home life like?
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Do you have brothers and sisters?
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Are you the oldest?
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Are you the youngest?
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Are you an only child?
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Did your parents get divorced?
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That kind of stuff.
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I grew up in Costa Rica.
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We were a.
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Oh, gosh.
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I didn't do that.
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What?
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I got a younger brother.
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He's two and a half years younger.
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You've met him.
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His name is Jake.
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Yes.
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He's a cool dude.
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He's slightly fatter, slightly more bald
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and slightly less good looking.
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Hang.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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We almost look exactly alike.
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Still love you brother.
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Yeah, he's a good dude.
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He's, he's doing well.
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But yeah, we actually, we
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lived right down the road
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in Queen Anne Colony.
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Okay.
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When I was born and.
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Nice golf community.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it's got a golf course.
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Yeah, it's like, you
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know, it's, it's not like
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what you would think
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of as like a golf course
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in the community.
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Yeah, public.
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It's like a public
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course and it's, you know,
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costs a lot less.
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It's not a great course, but yeah.
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Anyway, yeah, we lived
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there until I was like,
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I think five or something.
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Okay.
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And my parents
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actually split for a while.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, my dad, I think my
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parents were like 23 and 25
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when I was born, which
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is, you know, I mean,
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not super young, but yeah, you know,
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I think a little bit of a
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dad was still into like hanging
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out with the boys and stuff like that.
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So yeah, my parents
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split for a little while.
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My mom and my brother
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and I, we moved right over
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across the bridge to Cape St. Clair.
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Okay.
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And I went to elementary
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school there for a few years.
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I think we lived over there
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for like four years about.
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Before we even moved back here,
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my parents got back
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together and like dad.
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So it was only like a
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year, maybe year and a half
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where it was just my
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mom and my brother and I.
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Okay.
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And yeah, so then we moved back over here
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to the Eastern Shore in Centerville
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where my parents live now.
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I was in fifth grade.
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So I went to like
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first, it was four years,
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first, second, third, and fourth grade
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over in Cape St. Clair.
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Am I putting you to sleep yet?
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No, I'm just getting
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ready for the next question.
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Okay.
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All right.
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I mean, the question you just asked me
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was fairly lengthy.
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Yeah, go for it.
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You're just,
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Oh, you're talking, I'm
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thinking about other stuff.
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Exactly.
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Conversation 101.
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Right?
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(laughs)
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All right.
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Yeah, so we moved back over
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here when I was in fifth grade.
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Yeah, man.
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I mean, it was pretty normal childhood.
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My grandparents, both sets of
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grandparents were around.
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My great grandmother was
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alive until I was like 23
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or something like that
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and saw her all the time.
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So yeah, it was good
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upbringing, good daily life.
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What was it like switching schools?
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Was that tough?
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It was a bit of a shock, yeah.
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Little bit of a culture.
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I mean, not really a
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culture shock, a little bit,
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but I mean, I was like
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what, 12, 11, I guess,
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in fifth grade?
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Yeah, something like that.
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And the new kid.
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No, that's not right.
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Yeah, yeah, that's about right.
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I think it was about 11.
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Yeah, being a new kid, that's-
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Yeah, I was the new kid, man.
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And so it was Centerville Middle School,
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which was fifth to eighth grade.
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So not only was I the new kid,
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but the new kid in the
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lowest grade in the whole school.
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So yeah, I mean, it was a
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little rough for a while,
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but it wasn't like, it
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was fine after a while.
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Yeah, man, and lived in Centerville
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through high school,
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played sports and stuff.
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Was that your crowd, the sports crowd?
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Yeah, probably, I'd say so.
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Yeah, probably mostly.
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I mean, Centerville is a rural area,
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so everybody had a little bit
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of redneck in them for sure.
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And I probably crossed
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over into the redneck crowd
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a little bit.
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We had a redneck row where everybody
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parked their trucks.
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And although I did have a
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big truck with mud tires on it,
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I did not park in redneck row,
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because that meant you were a full-on,
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you identified as a redneck.
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Okay.
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And I wanted to be in
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the middle there somewhere.
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You parked in, I can't
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think of a clever alliteration.
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Princess Prairie?
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I don't know.
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Yeah, right.
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Yeah, man, so pretty
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normal stuff, I guess.
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Okay.
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Were you a hunter-fisher kind of guy?
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Oh yeah, for sure.
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So my uncle is, my dad's brother,
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my dad always, they both
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did a whole lot of hunting
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growing up, which meant that I did too.
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So I mean, I started
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going with my dad when I was,
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I don't know, probably
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eight or nine, I guess.
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Okay.
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And then my uncle had a hunting business,
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so he was an outfitter,
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meaning he took hunting
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parties and that kind of thing.
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Weren't you a guy that
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pinned tail for a while?
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Not a pinned tail for my uncle.
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Okay.
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But yeah, so I mean, I was
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kind of leading up to that.
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So because he was an outfitter,
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he rented all these
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different farms to hunt on,
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which meant that we got
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to go on a lot of them.
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So that was pretty awesome.
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I got to experience a lot of
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good hunting spots growing up
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and then natural kind of progression
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as I got a little older,
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like my early twenties,
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I started guiding for him.
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And I did that for a while.
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It was cool.
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It was a good job.
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I'm glad I got to experience it.
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I was really into that at the time,
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but I mean like 14 hour days, man,
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outside in the cold all day long.
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And it was a tough job for sure.
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So I kind of got hunted
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out there for a while.
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I really haven't been
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into it for the past eight
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or nine years.
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Have you ever killed a man?
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A man? No.
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No.
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No.
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That movie with Ice Cube where they,
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or Ice Tea or one of those guys where
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they like hunt people.
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I don't think I've seen that one,
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but a game maybe I think it's called.
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Is that what it is?
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I haven't seen that.
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Yeah, me neither.
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Cool.
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So when did music enter,
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when did you start getting into music?
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My senior year, I
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mean, I always liked music.
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When I was younger and I was
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very into listening to music.
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I was like, based on where we were,
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I listened to country
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music, a lot of country music.
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And back then, man, it was like,
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the radio was like
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the only thing you had.
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So I did listen to a
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lot of country radio.
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However, country radio in the,
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90s, I mean, I could
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be biased saying this,
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but I feel like it was a
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lot better than it is now.
525
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I think it's a fact.
526
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Yeah, but I, you know,
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also growing up in the 90s,
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like I listened to
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Nirvana and Soundgarden
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and Stone Temple Pilots
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and Pearl Jam and Todys
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and like all those
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kinds of bands as well.
534
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So I, you know, I had that mix there.
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And I was also like
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exposed to a lot of like 90s rap
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and R&B.
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And even though at the
539
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time I would not admit
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that I liked it, I did.
541
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Yeah, me too.
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You know, I had friends
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who like only listened to rap
544
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and like, you know, back
545
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then I would kind of be like,
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I don't want to listen to this,
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but I secretly liked it.
548
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Yeah.
549
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But my senior year in high school,
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my dad bought me a
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guitar from another kid
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that I was in school with.
553
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And yeah, I started
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learning how to play it then.
555
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Do you remember what the
556
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first song you ever learned to us?
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Probably, like "Come As
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You Are" or something.
559
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Yeah, that sounds about right.
560
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Yeah.
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But I did like, early on, man,
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I really did spend a lot of time,
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like I would find some
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fairly intricate tat,
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Blackbird.
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I spent, I really sat
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down for like hours and hours
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and practiced and like learned, you know,
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made sure I was doing it right.
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I don't do that anymore.
571
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Yeah.
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But yeah, I'm glad I
573
00:16:22,231 --> 00:16:23,732
kind of did that early on.
574
00:16:23,732 --> 00:16:25,359
I didn't like, I did
575
00:16:25,359 --> 00:16:27,027
start with chords obviously,
576
00:16:27,027 --> 00:16:29,029
but like I wanted to play some cool
577
00:16:29,029 --> 00:16:30,280
stuff, yellow lead better.
578
00:16:30,698 --> 00:16:32,866
You know, I learned how to
579
00:16:32,866 --> 00:16:34,993
play at least the intro of it.
580
00:16:35,619 --> 00:16:37,830
Yeah, just by like looking at tabs
581
00:16:37,830 --> 00:16:39,039
and like I spent a lot of
582
00:16:39,039 --> 00:16:40,582
time like not getting it right
583
00:16:40,582 --> 00:16:41,709
and doing it over again
584
00:16:41,709 --> 00:16:42,876
and you know what I mean?
585
00:16:43,627 --> 00:16:44,586
So that was helpful.
586
00:16:44,753 --> 00:16:46,130
Tabs were wild back then.
587
00:16:46,171 --> 00:16:47,339
Like I remember having an
588
00:16:47,339 --> 00:16:49,216
Nirvana book and it was like,
589
00:16:49,633 --> 00:16:52,094
instead of like telling you
590
00:16:52,094 --> 00:16:53,679
that the song was in drop D,
591
00:16:54,263 --> 00:16:56,098
it would like have you do like these
592
00:16:56,098 --> 00:16:57,725
crazy weird chord shapes
593
00:16:57,725 --> 00:16:58,559
and stuff, you know?
594
00:16:58,684 --> 00:16:59,059
Yeah.
595
00:16:59,101 --> 00:16:59,685
And some of them were
596
00:16:59,685 --> 00:17:01,562
just, I think just wrong,
597
00:17:01,770 --> 00:17:03,021
like straight up wrong,
598
00:17:03,063 --> 00:17:03,480
but they got
599
00:17:03,522 --> 00:17:05,649
published as a book they saw.
600
00:17:05,649 --> 00:17:06,859
Yeah, that's wild that they were
601
00:17:06,859 --> 00:17:07,693
published in the book
602
00:17:07,693 --> 00:17:09,445
because like, you know, most of them,
603
00:17:09,486 --> 00:17:13,031
I got off of like ultimate guitar website
604
00:17:13,449 --> 00:17:14,450
and usually that's
605
00:17:14,491 --> 00:17:16,118
just published by anyone.
606
00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:16,577
Yeah.
607
00:17:17,161 --> 00:17:18,412
So yeah, you definitely
608
00:17:18,412 --> 00:17:20,497
run into some wrong tabs
609
00:17:20,497 --> 00:17:22,583
and chords and stuff on that website.
610
00:17:22,583 --> 00:17:23,625
But I had a buddy in
611
00:17:23,625 --> 00:17:26,754
college that had a whole binder,
612
00:17:26,754 --> 00:17:28,505
you know, of printed out
613
00:17:28,505 --> 00:17:31,008
tabs that he had like organized
614
00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:33,385
filed in this binder.
615
00:17:33,385 --> 00:17:33,969
It was cool.
616
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:35,387
I learned a lot of stuff
617
00:17:35,387 --> 00:17:37,306
from hanging out with him
618
00:17:37,306 --> 00:17:38,640
and looking at his binder and stuff.
619
00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:39,141
Nice.
620
00:17:40,058 --> 00:17:41,769
What was your first boyfriend's name?
621
00:17:44,855 --> 00:17:45,314
Next question.
622
00:17:45,314 --> 00:17:46,440
Next question, okay.
623
00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,361
What do you think aside from music,
624
00:17:51,361 --> 00:17:54,198
what were your talents as a youngster?
625
00:17:54,656 --> 00:17:55,240
Like what did you?
626
00:17:55,532 --> 00:17:56,742
I mean, I was pretty athletic.
627
00:17:58,535 --> 00:17:59,870
We were talking about this the other day.
628
00:17:59,870 --> 00:18:01,079
I did karate for a long time.
629
00:18:01,079 --> 00:18:03,290
It's kind of funny that we
630
00:18:03,290 --> 00:18:05,542
never crossed paths doing that.
631
00:18:05,876 --> 00:18:06,960
I think you just forgot
632
00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,045
cause I concussed you.
633
00:18:08,128 --> 00:18:09,213
I don't think so.
634
00:18:10,339 --> 00:18:11,465
No, I mean, I really
635
00:18:11,465 --> 00:18:12,925
was really good at it.
636
00:18:14,259 --> 00:18:16,720
And I did it for a long time, man,
637
00:18:17,805 --> 00:18:18,931
from like middle school
638
00:18:18,931 --> 00:18:21,016
through like 17 years old.
639
00:18:21,016 --> 00:18:22,059
You asked to get into it.
640
00:18:22,100 --> 00:18:22,559
It wasn't like your
641
00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:23,477
parents to put you in it.
642
00:18:23,477 --> 00:18:25,354
No, yeah, I asked to get into it.
643
00:18:26,438 --> 00:18:28,023
I mean, you know, I did that
644
00:18:28,106 --> 00:18:30,943
and I played a lot of baseball.
645
00:18:31,777 --> 00:18:32,778
I played soccer.
646
00:18:34,029 --> 00:18:34,988
I wrestled for a couple
647
00:18:34,988 --> 00:18:36,156
of years in high school.
648
00:18:36,365 --> 00:18:36,865
Nice.
649
00:18:38,283 --> 00:18:39,743
I tried basketball when
650
00:18:39,743 --> 00:18:41,161
I was a kid, like younger
651
00:18:41,161 --> 00:18:42,579
and I just wasn't very good.
652
00:18:42,579 --> 00:18:44,790
So I played any more basketball.
653
00:18:44,790 --> 00:18:45,666
I could shoot pretty good,
654
00:18:45,666 --> 00:18:47,835
but it was the dribbling and stuff that
655
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:52,673
I just couldn't hang with the other guys.
656
00:18:52,798 --> 00:18:56,718
Yeah, you said, what was I good at?
657
00:18:57,135 --> 00:18:59,847
Yeah, it doesn't have to be like act like
658
00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:01,890
it could even be things
659
00:19:01,890 --> 00:19:03,934
like you were very empathetic
660
00:19:03,934 --> 00:19:06,270
or you were able to, you know,
661
00:19:06,353 --> 00:19:07,896
you were studious or whatever.
662
00:19:08,146 --> 00:19:08,814
I mean, I always did
663
00:19:08,814 --> 00:19:09,857
pretty decent in school.
664
00:19:10,399 --> 00:19:12,734
That emotional maturity stuff.
665
00:19:13,777 --> 00:19:15,863
No, it took me a long time
666
00:19:15,863 --> 00:19:17,739
to, I'm still learning that.
667
00:19:17,823 --> 00:19:18,156
Yeah.
668
00:19:18,198 --> 00:19:21,368
You know, but I had not
669
00:19:21,368 --> 00:19:22,452
a whole lot of awareness
670
00:19:22,452 --> 00:19:23,954
of that kind of thing when I was young.
671
00:19:23,996 --> 00:19:25,873
I mean, you know, I was,
672
00:19:26,999 --> 00:19:28,625
I had good role models.
673
00:19:29,042 --> 00:19:31,670
So maybe I did like practice those things
674
00:19:32,421 --> 00:19:33,881
to a certain degree, but as
675
00:19:33,881 --> 00:19:35,507
far as like being aware of it
676
00:19:36,425 --> 00:19:40,012
and like, you know, I don't think so.
677
00:19:40,387 --> 00:19:42,097
Did you have any mentors growing up?
678
00:19:45,517 --> 00:19:49,021
I mean, like official mentors,
679
00:19:49,229 --> 00:19:51,690
not really that I can think of.
680
00:19:51,690 --> 00:19:55,986
I mean, you know, I had my
681
00:19:56,361 --> 00:19:58,989
mom's father, my grandfather,
682
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:00,991
you know, I always
683
00:20:00,991 --> 00:20:02,075
really looked up to him.
684
00:20:02,159 --> 00:20:02,826
I mean, he was a
685
00:20:03,994 --> 00:20:06,747
well-respected man, you know,
686
00:20:07,956 --> 00:20:09,666
and my other grandfather too, you know,
687
00:20:09,666 --> 00:20:11,418
he was a different personality,
688
00:20:12,085 --> 00:20:14,046
but, you know, had a
689
00:20:14,046 --> 00:20:15,213
lot of really good traits.
690
00:20:15,213 --> 00:20:18,884
So I learned a lot
691
00:20:18,884 --> 00:20:19,927
from them and, you know,
692
00:20:19,927 --> 00:20:21,511
my dad too, for sure.
693
00:20:23,555 --> 00:20:26,767
Yeah, I mean, that's how I
694
00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:28,143
would respond to that, I guess.
695
00:20:28,268 --> 00:20:29,019
Okay. Yeah.
696
00:20:29,186 --> 00:20:29,811
I mean, I don't think
697
00:20:29,811 --> 00:20:30,812
anyone really has like,
698
00:20:31,813 --> 00:20:32,856
or not many people have
699
00:20:32,856 --> 00:20:34,399
like an official mentor,
700
00:20:34,691 --> 00:20:35,442
but like there's
701
00:20:35,442 --> 00:20:36,610
people in your life that,
702
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:37,653
outside of your
703
00:20:37,653 --> 00:20:39,363
parents that come alongside
704
00:20:39,363 --> 00:20:41,323
and kind of like, you know,
705
00:20:41,531 --> 00:20:42,699
teach you a lot or whatever.
706
00:20:42,824 --> 00:20:45,452
Yeah. I mean, I had some other,
707
00:20:46,453 --> 00:20:50,207
my other uncle, his name is Greg.
708
00:20:50,207 --> 00:20:52,417
He, I worked, did some work for him.
709
00:20:52,542 --> 00:20:53,168
I was a little bit
710
00:20:53,168 --> 00:20:54,670
older than like twenties.
711
00:20:56,338 --> 00:20:59,466
You know, he was a good
712
00:20:59,591 --> 00:21:01,176
role model to look up to,
713
00:21:01,510 --> 00:21:02,427
has a lot of good
714
00:21:02,427 --> 00:21:04,388
character traits that, you know,
715
00:21:05,472 --> 00:21:09,393
I guess admired or,
716
00:21:10,602 --> 00:21:11,520
but you know, I don't
717
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:12,771
know how aware I was
718
00:21:12,771 --> 00:21:14,231
of these things at the time.
719
00:21:14,231 --> 00:21:14,439
Sure.
720
00:21:14,815 --> 00:21:15,273
It's more of a
721
00:21:15,273 --> 00:21:17,317
subconscious type of thing, I think.
722
00:21:17,442 --> 00:21:18,610
Yeah. But looking
723
00:21:18,610 --> 00:21:19,820
back, you can see where.
724
00:21:19,820 --> 00:21:20,821
Yeah. Yeah.
725
00:21:21,154 --> 00:21:22,239
I picked up a lot of
726
00:21:22,239 --> 00:21:23,323
little things from, you know,
727
00:21:23,323 --> 00:21:24,074
different people, which
728
00:21:24,074 --> 00:21:25,242
I'm sure lots of people do.
729
00:21:26,076 --> 00:21:28,954
But yeah, I had plenty of
730
00:21:28,954 --> 00:21:31,206
people in my life that were,
731
00:21:31,373 --> 00:21:33,750
you know, worth like looking up to
732
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:36,670
and learning things from.
733
00:21:37,004 --> 00:21:42,134
Any favorite teachers in school?
734
00:21:42,592 --> 00:21:44,845
Mr. Hyde, he was pretty awesome.
735
00:21:45,012 --> 00:21:45,637
What did he teach?
736
00:21:46,638 --> 00:21:47,764
What did he teach?
737
00:21:50,225 --> 00:21:51,184
That's a good teacher. If
738
00:21:51,184 --> 00:21:52,894
you remember, I mean, well,
739
00:21:53,020 --> 00:21:53,603
I guess he could take it.
740
00:21:53,603 --> 00:21:55,397
It was either science or
741
00:21:55,397 --> 00:21:57,816
history. I don't recall.
742
00:22:00,485 --> 00:22:02,612
And I mean, I don't want to,
743
00:22:02,654 --> 00:22:04,239
so he passed away a few years ago.
744
00:22:06,783 --> 00:22:07,951
He just had like a
745
00:22:08,744 --> 00:22:10,162
pretty chill personality.
746
00:22:10,203 --> 00:22:11,997
So I liked that.
747
00:22:13,623 --> 00:22:17,169
Mr. Nicely, he was my wood carving.
748
00:22:17,294 --> 00:22:19,171
That was a class that really stood out.
749
00:22:19,546 --> 00:22:20,589
I, like throughout my
750
00:22:20,589 --> 00:22:21,757
life, I've gotten, you know,
751
00:22:21,757 --> 00:22:23,258
you're the same way, like
752
00:22:23,717 --> 00:22:25,343
find like a hobby or something
753
00:22:25,343 --> 00:22:26,344
and you like really get
754
00:22:26,344 --> 00:22:27,929
into it and it's super cool.
755
00:22:27,929 --> 00:22:29,598
And it kind of consumes you for a while.
756
00:22:29,598 --> 00:22:30,140
And then you kind of
757
00:22:30,140 --> 00:22:30,974
move on to something else.
758
00:22:31,725 --> 00:22:32,684
I took this wood
759
00:22:32,684 --> 00:22:34,561
carving class in high school
760
00:22:34,561 --> 00:22:36,021
and I really liked it a lot.
761
00:22:37,564 --> 00:22:39,399
Partly because, probably
762
00:22:39,399 --> 00:22:40,358
because I was good at it
763
00:22:40,358 --> 00:22:41,568
and partly because Mr.
764
00:22:41,568 --> 00:22:42,694
Nicely was just cool.
765
00:22:43,779 --> 00:22:44,613
He was real chill.
766
00:22:44,738 --> 00:22:45,489
It was like big dude and
767
00:22:45,489 --> 00:22:46,656
he'd just sit up front and,
768
00:22:46,698 --> 00:22:47,824
you know, he'd be
769
00:22:47,824 --> 00:22:48,992
carving stuff along with us,
770
00:22:48,992 --> 00:22:50,118
like showing us how to do it.
771
00:22:50,452 --> 00:22:51,828
Which kind of stuff did you carve?
772
00:22:51,870 --> 00:22:53,622
Like little figurines and stuff.
773
00:22:54,581 --> 00:22:59,127
Like we did like a little miniature loon,
774
00:22:59,836 --> 00:23:00,754
like it's a duck.
775
00:23:01,088 --> 00:23:01,463
Yeah.
776
00:23:02,089 --> 00:23:03,632
I think that was the first thing we did.
777
00:23:04,091 --> 00:23:05,926
And it was not just carving it.
778
00:23:05,967 --> 00:23:07,052
It was painting it too.
779
00:23:07,427 --> 00:23:08,970
So, you know, he would
780
00:23:08,970 --> 00:23:10,180
like show us how to do it
781
00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:11,264
and we worked on it for
782
00:23:11,264 --> 00:23:12,349
over the course of weeks
783
00:23:12,349 --> 00:23:13,058
and then we would move
784
00:23:13,058 --> 00:23:13,892
on to the next project.
785
00:23:14,267 --> 00:23:15,435
We did a canvas back duck.
786
00:23:15,727 --> 00:23:17,104
Then we did like this little,
787
00:23:17,854 --> 00:23:18,772
it was just like an old
788
00:23:18,772 --> 00:23:20,607
man that was like, you know,
789
00:23:20,649 --> 00:23:22,234
some old farmer dude
790
00:23:22,234 --> 00:23:23,276
with like suspenders on it
791
00:23:23,276 --> 00:23:23,902
and a hat that you
792
00:23:23,902 --> 00:23:24,945
would see like standing out.
793
00:23:24,986 --> 00:23:25,779
Like a model you're
794
00:23:25,779 --> 00:23:26,696
going off of or something?
795
00:23:26,696 --> 00:23:28,490
Yeah, he had one.
796
00:23:28,532 --> 00:23:29,699
Like he would, so he
797
00:23:29,699 --> 00:23:32,494
had a model of each thing
798
00:23:32,494 --> 00:23:33,328
and he would just, you know,
799
00:23:33,328 --> 00:23:34,704
sit it in the front of the class.
800
00:23:34,996 --> 00:23:37,082
And then he would carve a new one from a,
801
00:23:37,958 --> 00:23:40,085
from, you know, from start, from scratch,
802
00:23:40,377 --> 00:23:41,461
while we were all,
803
00:23:41,670 --> 00:23:43,630
and we would do it one stage at a time
804
00:23:43,630 --> 00:23:45,090
and he would show us like,
805
00:23:45,090 --> 00:23:46,383
okay, this is the first stage.
806
00:23:46,675 --> 00:23:47,759
This is what we're going to do.
807
00:23:48,176 --> 00:23:48,635
You know, you're just
808
00:23:48,635 --> 00:23:49,719
going to rough it out first
809
00:23:49,719 --> 00:23:51,346
and you got to carve this end off
810
00:23:51,346 --> 00:23:52,430
and you got to make sure
811
00:23:52,430 --> 00:23:53,431
that this part's coming up
812
00:23:53,431 --> 00:23:54,516
underneath because the foot's
813
00:23:54,516 --> 00:23:55,433
going to be there or whatever.
814
00:23:55,475 --> 00:23:55,892
Okay.
815
00:23:55,892 --> 00:23:57,185
You know, it was, it was cool.
816
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:58,353
I really, pretty cool.
817
00:23:58,395 --> 00:23:59,354
Yeah, enjoyed that.
818
00:23:59,855 --> 00:24:00,689
What's something that
819
00:24:00,689 --> 00:24:01,898
you've always wanted to do,
820
00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:06,361
like a hobby or an event,
821
00:24:06,486 --> 00:24:07,737
even like skydiving
822
00:24:07,737 --> 00:24:08,405
or something like that.
823
00:24:08,446 --> 00:24:09,156
What's something you've
824
00:24:09,156 --> 00:24:10,198
always wanted to do that you?
825
00:24:10,824 --> 00:24:12,367
I definitely have like a
826
00:24:12,367 --> 00:24:14,161
very strong fear of heights.
827
00:24:14,161 --> 00:24:15,662
So like, I don't have any
828
00:24:15,662 --> 00:24:17,539
desire to jump out of a plane.
829
00:24:17,914 --> 00:24:18,874
Well, that was just an example.
830
00:24:18,915 --> 00:24:19,416
No, I know.
831
00:24:19,457 --> 00:24:21,001
But I mean, it's funny
832
00:24:21,001 --> 00:24:21,918
because Jen and I were
833
00:24:21,918 --> 00:24:23,461
talking about this the other day.
834
00:24:24,337 --> 00:24:25,964
Like I, part of me wishes
835
00:24:25,964 --> 00:24:28,592
that I didn't have that fear
836
00:24:28,592 --> 00:24:29,718
because I'm sure it would be
837
00:24:29,718 --> 00:24:31,469
cool to jump out of a plane.
838
00:24:31,469 --> 00:24:33,471
But like, I just don't want to,
839
00:24:34,514 --> 00:24:36,433
I don't want to do anything that like,
840
00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:38,226
where I could potentially die.
841
00:24:38,226 --> 00:24:38,852
You know what I mean?
842
00:24:40,770 --> 00:24:41,313
I don't know, man.
843
00:24:41,313 --> 00:24:44,149
I wish that I was a better guitar player.
844
00:24:44,274 --> 00:24:45,150
I really do.
845
00:24:45,192 --> 00:24:49,946
I would, I really love watching an
846
00:24:49,946 --> 00:24:51,323
amazing guitar player.
847
00:24:51,364 --> 00:24:53,992
It's something I really enjoy.
848
00:24:53,992 --> 00:24:55,410
You know, most of the time if I'm
849
00:24:55,410 --> 00:24:56,536
watching a live band,
850
00:24:56,536 --> 00:24:59,289
I'm like, I really enjoy vocals too.
851
00:24:59,289 --> 00:25:00,749
Somebody who can sing really well.
852
00:25:01,166 --> 00:25:04,169
But like, you know, a really amazing
853
00:25:04,169 --> 00:25:07,797
like blues guitar player or, you know,
854
00:25:09,424 --> 00:25:11,718
even like funk, I like funk guitar too.
855
00:25:12,302 --> 00:25:15,096
But I wish I was better at that.
856
00:25:15,305 --> 00:25:17,182
Okay, spend more time on that.
857
00:25:18,225 --> 00:25:19,267
I don't know if I'm going
858
00:25:19,267 --> 00:25:20,101
to spend more time on it,
859
00:25:20,101 --> 00:25:21,603
but I wish I was just
860
00:25:21,603 --> 00:25:22,896
naturally better at it.
861
00:25:22,979 --> 00:25:23,480
Oh, okay.
862
00:25:24,606 --> 00:25:24,898
Yeah.
863
00:25:25,023 --> 00:25:25,232
Yeah.
864
00:25:26,942 --> 00:25:27,692
The question was,
865
00:25:27,734 --> 00:25:28,485
what was something that
866
00:25:28,485 --> 00:25:29,527
I've always wanted to do?
867
00:25:29,569 --> 00:25:29,945
Yeah.
868
00:25:29,945 --> 00:25:31,571
(sighs)
869
00:25:33,657 --> 00:25:34,491
I'd really like to do
870
00:25:34,491 --> 00:25:35,492
some more traveling.
871
00:25:35,492 --> 00:25:36,451
Like we just went to
872
00:25:36,451 --> 00:25:38,620
Maine for like four days
873
00:25:38,620 --> 00:25:40,163
and I had never been to the Northeast.
874
00:25:42,207 --> 00:25:43,416
So that was cool.
875
00:25:44,376 --> 00:25:46,586
I have done a fair amount of traveling.
876
00:25:46,586 --> 00:25:47,587
I've been to Alaska.
877
00:25:47,587 --> 00:25:49,673
I've been to California and West Coast
878
00:25:49,673 --> 00:25:53,843
and Yellowstone and Yosemite
879
00:25:53,843 --> 00:25:55,387
and some other really cool places.
880
00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:56,429
I would love to go back
881
00:25:56,429 --> 00:25:57,347
to some of those places,
882
00:25:57,347 --> 00:25:58,723
but I've never been to like Europe.
883
00:25:59,099 --> 00:25:59,432
Okay.
884
00:25:59,557 --> 00:26:00,892
Kind of scared to fly all
885
00:26:00,892 --> 00:26:02,018
the way across the ocean.
886
00:26:02,394 --> 00:26:02,727
Yeah.
887
00:26:02,852 --> 00:26:06,064
But I really would love to
888
00:26:07,107 --> 00:26:09,234
visit some places in Europe
889
00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:10,777
at some point in my life.
890
00:26:11,027 --> 00:26:11,444
Yeah.
891
00:26:12,487 --> 00:26:13,321
I mean, obviously I'd
892
00:26:13,321 --> 00:26:14,489
love to go to like Bermuda
893
00:26:14,489 --> 00:26:15,865
or some really awesome
894
00:26:15,865 --> 00:26:17,325
tropical places like that.
895
00:26:17,659 --> 00:26:22,622
But I've seen like travel
896
00:26:22,622 --> 00:26:26,918
videos of England and Ireland
897
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:30,505
and Iceland, you
898
00:26:30,505 --> 00:26:31,589
know, some of those places
899
00:26:31,589 --> 00:26:32,882
just look amazing and I
900
00:26:32,882 --> 00:26:35,468
would love to check them out
901
00:26:35,468 --> 00:26:37,053
in person at some point in my life.
902
00:26:37,178 --> 00:26:37,554
Okay.
903
00:26:39,639 --> 00:26:40,265
Tell us a little bit
904
00:26:40,265 --> 00:26:42,684
about your work experience
905
00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:46,604
from just take us through the gamut.
906
00:26:47,188 --> 00:26:48,356
My work experience has
907
00:26:48,356 --> 00:26:49,566
been all over the place, Mike.
908
00:26:51,484 --> 00:26:53,194
My uncle that I mentioned before,
909
00:26:53,194 --> 00:26:54,904
he also had a painting
910
00:26:54,904 --> 00:26:56,448
business, like painting houses.
911
00:26:56,865 --> 00:26:58,158
Worked for him for a long time.
912
00:26:58,158 --> 00:26:58,992
That was kind of like
913
00:26:58,992 --> 00:27:01,036
one of my first jobs
914
00:27:01,036 --> 00:27:02,037
that I stuck with for a while.
915
00:27:02,037 --> 00:27:04,289
So spent a lot of time painting houses.
916
00:27:05,457 --> 00:27:06,666
My very first job was
917
00:27:06,708 --> 00:27:08,543
at Island Yacht Brokers
918
00:27:10,086 --> 00:27:11,379
right down there at Kenton Arrows.
919
00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:15,884
I was 13 or 14 and I spent
920
00:27:15,884 --> 00:27:17,385
a lot of time goofing off
921
00:27:17,385 --> 00:27:19,262
and wasting time, but like--
922
00:27:20,138 --> 00:27:21,639
What were you supposed to be doing?
923
00:27:21,639 --> 00:27:22,599
I was doing the bottoms
924
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:26,394
of boats and waxing them,
925
00:27:29,105 --> 00:27:30,774
redoing the teak on the
926
00:27:31,316 --> 00:27:32,859
deck and stuff like that,
927
00:27:32,859 --> 00:27:34,110
cleaning the boats out.
928
00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:35,612
Redoing like pulling it up
929
00:27:35,612 --> 00:27:36,654
and putting new wood down?
930
00:27:37,238 --> 00:27:38,406
Or like just sanding
931
00:27:38,406 --> 00:27:40,200
it and refinishing it,
932
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,326
you know, that kind of stuff.
933
00:27:43,787 --> 00:27:46,081
I had, you know, my
934
00:27:46,081 --> 00:27:47,707
father's had a boat his whole life.
935
00:27:47,707 --> 00:27:50,960
So I spent a lot of time when I was a kid
936
00:27:51,503 --> 00:27:52,545
at the boat yard and
937
00:27:52,545 --> 00:27:54,005
helping him do, you know,
938
00:27:54,547 --> 00:27:56,132
helping him paint the bottom of his boat
939
00:27:56,257 --> 00:27:57,467
a whole bunch of times
940
00:27:58,385 --> 00:28:00,220
and do other maintenance
941
00:28:00,220 --> 00:28:01,596
type stuff on the boat itself.
942
00:28:01,596 --> 00:28:04,015
So I had like some experience, you know,
943
00:28:04,182 --> 00:28:06,059
even at 13 or 14.
944
00:28:07,477 --> 00:28:10,647
But as soon as the guy that I worked for,
945
00:28:10,647 --> 00:28:13,108
his name is Lamont, super nice guy.
946
00:28:13,149 --> 00:28:14,943
He was a friend of my grandparents,
947
00:28:15,068 --> 00:28:16,236
which is how I got the job.
948
00:28:17,404 --> 00:28:19,155
But I will admit that a lot of times
949
00:28:19,155 --> 00:28:21,241
would lead me on my own.
950
00:28:21,658 --> 00:28:23,159
I used to take like,
951
00:28:23,451 --> 00:28:24,494
(laughing)
952
00:28:24,953 --> 00:28:27,539
take like a stick or like a piece of wood
953
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:29,707
and just like, you know, the
954
00:28:29,707 --> 00:28:31,084
boat yard's filled with rocks.
955
00:28:31,501 --> 00:28:32,335
Just like sit there and
956
00:28:32,335 --> 00:28:33,211
throw them up and hit them
957
00:28:33,211 --> 00:28:35,713
and like, all right, double okay.
958
00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:37,590
Browning first base and
959
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:38,550
he slides into second,
960
00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:39,426
you know, that kind of stuff.
961
00:28:39,509 --> 00:28:40,677
Oh man, I wish I had a video of that.
962
00:28:40,718 --> 00:28:42,512
Oh man, that was probably hilarious.
963
00:28:42,595 --> 00:28:43,346
Were you by yourself?
964
00:28:43,388 --> 00:28:44,055
Yes, yep.
965
00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:45,515
That's not too much fun here.
966
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,183
Yep, out in the middle of the boat yard,
967
00:28:47,225 --> 00:28:47,851
just like hitting
968
00:28:47,851 --> 00:28:49,686
rocks with a piece of wood.
969
00:28:49,811 --> 00:28:51,104
Nice, so you painted
970
00:28:51,104 --> 00:28:52,647
boats, you painted houses.
971
00:28:52,939 --> 00:28:56,901
Yep, I've done some,
972
00:28:57,277 --> 00:28:58,528
I'll try to skip to like
973
00:28:58,528 --> 00:28:59,529
the more interesting stuff.
974
00:28:59,529 --> 00:29:01,865
So, I can't remember
975
00:29:01,865 --> 00:29:02,782
every job I've ever had.
976
00:29:02,991 --> 00:29:04,951
I've always stayed out
977
00:29:04,951 --> 00:29:07,537
of the service industry,
978
00:29:07,579 --> 00:29:09,330
like as far as like food service.
979
00:29:09,706 --> 00:29:12,250
Yeah, I knew that I would not like that.
980
00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:15,753
So I never did touch my foot, like,
981
00:29:16,296 --> 00:29:18,756
I never did work in a restaurant,
982
00:29:19,966 --> 00:29:20,633
even though I had a lot
983
00:29:20,633 --> 00:29:21,509
of friends that did that,
984
00:29:21,509 --> 00:29:22,635
but I never did that,
985
00:29:23,470 --> 00:29:25,263
never worked like in a store.
986
00:29:25,346 --> 00:29:26,556
I did one time for
987
00:29:26,556 --> 00:29:28,141
about 30 minutes and I left
988
00:29:28,141 --> 00:29:29,017
and I never came back.
989
00:29:29,017 --> 00:29:29,809
What store was that?
990
00:29:30,018 --> 00:29:31,352
J Crew and the outlets.
991
00:29:31,394 --> 00:29:32,187
You just left?
992
00:29:32,479 --> 00:29:34,147
I was like 20 something then, yep.
993
00:29:34,564 --> 00:29:35,106
Told him I had to get
994
00:29:35,106 --> 00:29:36,065
something out of my car
995
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:38,193
and I walked out and left and drove away.
996
00:29:38,735 --> 00:29:39,569
They called me like 20
997
00:29:39,569 --> 00:29:40,570
times, they were like,
998
00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:41,946
"Are you gonna come back?
999
00:29:41,946 --> 00:29:43,114
"What time are you coming back?"
1000
00:29:43,448 --> 00:29:44,407
Like, I'm not coming back.
1001
00:29:44,532 --> 00:29:45,033
You just text your
1002
00:29:45,366 --> 00:29:46,534
address for the paycheck.
1003
00:29:46,534 --> 00:29:47,076
Yeah, right.
1004
00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:49,078
I think I still did get paid something.
1005
00:29:49,162 --> 00:29:50,288
I was like, "Yeah, you gotta pay."
1006
00:29:50,288 --> 00:29:51,122
$10 or whatever.
1007
00:29:51,623 --> 00:29:54,375
But no, so when I was in, I went to
1008
00:29:54,375 --> 00:29:55,627
college in Salisbury
1009
00:29:55,627 --> 00:29:57,879
and I had a buddy named Brett who was
1010
00:29:57,879 --> 00:29:59,589
from like Chestertown.
1011
00:30:01,174 --> 00:30:02,008
He's actually from a
1012
00:30:02,008 --> 00:30:03,301
small town called Fairleigh,
1013
00:30:03,301 --> 00:30:04,594
which is north of Chestertown.
1014
00:30:04,802 --> 00:30:05,845
We played at his party.
1015
00:30:06,804 --> 00:30:07,180
Did we?
1016
00:30:07,805 --> 00:30:08,723
Didn't Brett, when we
1017
00:30:08,723 --> 00:30:09,807
played at Brett's party
1018
00:30:09,807 --> 00:30:11,059
in Chestertown a couple of times,
1019
00:30:11,684 --> 00:30:12,393
him and his wife, I
1020
00:30:12,393 --> 00:30:13,186
can't remember their names.
1021
00:30:13,228 --> 00:30:14,062
Oh, he's not married.
1022
00:30:14,187 --> 00:30:14,729
Oh, okay.
1023
00:30:14,771 --> 00:30:15,855
Oh, you're thinking of Rhett.
1024
00:30:16,147 --> 00:30:16,814
Rhett, yeah.
1025
00:30:16,856 --> 00:30:18,024
Yep, another guy.
1026
00:30:18,024 --> 00:30:19,484
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we did do that.
1027
00:30:19,484 --> 00:30:20,068
No, that's fine.
1028
00:30:20,693 --> 00:30:21,569
So this guy named Brett, he
1029
00:30:21,569 --> 00:30:22,904
was a year or two older than me.
1030
00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:25,198
He up and moved to Juneau,
1031
00:30:25,198 --> 00:30:27,909
Alaska after he graduated.
1032
00:30:28,201 --> 00:30:30,245
And then like a year or two after that,
1033
00:30:30,662 --> 00:30:32,163
I kept in contact with him and
1034
00:30:32,163 --> 00:30:33,414
he told me how awesome it was.
1035
00:30:33,665 --> 00:30:34,707
He had a landscaping
1036
00:30:34,707 --> 00:30:36,417
business in Salisbury
1037
00:30:36,417 --> 00:30:37,669
and I think even before that.
1038
00:30:37,961 --> 00:30:40,380
So I did some landscaping work for him
1039
00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:41,422
while we were in Salisbury.
1040
00:30:42,173 --> 00:30:43,800
When he went to Juneau, he started a
1041
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:44,926
landscaping business.
1042
00:30:46,386 --> 00:30:47,720
I don't know why he moved to Juneau,
1043
00:30:47,762 --> 00:30:49,514
just kind of one of those types of guys
1044
00:30:49,514 --> 00:30:50,598
that were just like, whatever man,
1045
00:30:50,598 --> 00:30:51,349
that's what I'm gonna do.
1046
00:30:52,892 --> 00:30:54,352
So yeah, after a few years
1047
00:30:54,352 --> 00:30:55,728
of him like telling me like,
1048
00:30:55,728 --> 00:30:56,604
hey man, come up here and
1049
00:30:56,604 --> 00:30:57,564
work for me, it's awesome.
1050
00:30:57,855 --> 00:30:58,648
I finally had an
1051
00:30:58,648 --> 00:31:00,441
opportunity, it was 2009.
1052
00:31:01,818 --> 00:31:04,737
So I went up there and in the summer
1053
00:31:04,737 --> 00:31:06,322
and I stayed for three
1054
00:31:06,322 --> 00:31:07,532
months and worked for him
1055
00:31:09,659 --> 00:31:11,411
doing landscaping, cutting
1056
00:31:11,411 --> 00:31:13,496
grass, putting in pavers.
1057
00:31:13,496 --> 00:31:15,748
We did a lot of like hardscaping stuff,
1058
00:31:15,748 --> 00:31:17,667
like building stone retaining walls
1059
00:31:17,667 --> 00:31:18,960
and cinder block
1060
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,086
retaining walls and stuff.
1061
00:31:20,128 --> 00:31:20,503
Okay.
1062
00:31:21,462 --> 00:31:22,714
So that was really cool.
1063
00:31:22,755 --> 00:31:25,341
And then I came home for the winter,
1064
00:31:25,341 --> 00:31:27,260
I guided for my uncle, and
1065
00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:29,262
then I went back the next year.
1066
00:31:29,304 --> 00:31:30,221
And the second time I
1067
00:31:30,221 --> 00:31:33,057
stayed for six months, excuse me,
1068
00:31:33,099 --> 00:31:35,310
and did the same kind of thing.
1069
00:31:35,518 --> 00:31:37,186
That time I also worked
1070
00:31:37,186 --> 00:31:39,355
on a fishing charter boat
1071
00:31:40,106 --> 00:31:42,734
for salmon and halibut in Juneau.
1072
00:31:43,318 --> 00:31:44,277
Yeah, so that was a
1073
00:31:44,277 --> 00:31:45,236
really cool experience.
1074
00:31:45,236 --> 00:31:47,488
I was doing that and the landscaping
1075
00:31:47,488 --> 00:31:50,074
thing at the same time.
1076
00:31:50,533 --> 00:31:53,161
And so yeah, that was really cool.
1077
00:31:54,162 --> 00:31:56,414
Another interesting job I had was at
1078
00:31:56,456 --> 00:31:57,540
Tuckahoe State Park.
1079
00:31:57,624 --> 00:31:59,751
I was a seasonal naturalist.
1080
00:31:59,959 --> 00:32:01,544
It was actually an internship
1081
00:32:04,339 --> 00:32:06,007
for my degree at Salisbury.
1082
00:32:06,007 --> 00:32:06,633
It had absolutely
1083
00:32:06,633 --> 00:32:07,967
nothing to do with the degree,
1084
00:32:07,967 --> 00:32:10,428
but that's a whole nother story.
1085
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:12,680
But that was really cool, man.
1086
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,890
I got to take like,
1087
00:32:14,849 --> 00:32:17,226
I got Red Cross certified as a canoe
1088
00:32:17,226 --> 00:32:19,228
trainer, canoe guide.
1089
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,230
Okay, why Red Cross certified?
1090
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:22,857
Because you just had to do that
1091
00:32:22,857 --> 00:32:24,609
because we took canoe trips,
1092
00:32:24,609 --> 00:32:27,987
like guided people on canoe trips at
1093
00:32:27,987 --> 00:32:28,988
Tuckahoe State Park.
1094
00:32:29,572 --> 00:32:31,115
And you had to be Red Cross
1095
00:32:31,115 --> 00:32:32,575
certified in order to do that.
1096
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:33,117
Okay.
1097
00:32:33,201 --> 00:32:36,496
So yeah, did that.
1098
00:32:36,537 --> 00:32:40,416
And they had an aviary with like owls
1099
00:32:40,416 --> 00:32:41,959
and red-tailed hawks and stuff.
1100
00:32:42,502 --> 00:32:43,378
Put the leather thing
1101
00:32:43,378 --> 00:32:45,129
on, my leather glove on,
1102
00:32:45,129 --> 00:32:46,673
and like hold hawks and
1103
00:32:46,714 --> 00:32:48,091
owls and show them to people
1104
00:32:48,091 --> 00:32:49,676
and tell them about it.
1105
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,804
What's an interesting bird fact?
1106
00:32:54,430 --> 00:32:56,891
Mm, owls cannot spin
1107
00:32:56,891 --> 00:32:58,267
their head all the way around.
1108
00:32:59,143 --> 00:33:00,478
A lot of people think they can.
1109
00:33:01,020 --> 00:33:03,147
I think it's like 270 degrees.
1110
00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:03,981
Okay.
1111
00:33:03,981 --> 00:33:05,274
It's like from here all
1112
00:33:05,274 --> 00:33:06,609
the way around to there.
1113
00:33:07,193 --> 00:33:07,819
Okay. Something like that.
1114
00:33:08,069 --> 00:33:09,445
Don't quote me, it's been a long time.
1115
00:33:09,487 --> 00:33:10,405
But they can't go all the way around.
1116
00:33:10,655 --> 00:33:11,447
Let me back you up a
1117
00:33:11,447 --> 00:33:12,532
little bit to the landscaping.
1118
00:33:12,615 --> 00:33:14,200
This is just a question I have,
1119
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,368
it's a genuine question.
1120
00:33:15,743 --> 00:33:19,497
When cutting grass for a landscaper,
1121
00:33:19,956 --> 00:33:21,582
what's the goal?
1122
00:33:21,624 --> 00:33:22,208
Like you're trying to
1123
00:33:22,208 --> 00:33:23,543
do the stripe thing or--
1124
00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:25,128
It's the goal, to make the grass shorter.
1125
00:33:25,169 --> 00:33:26,963
But I mean, do you have
1126
00:33:26,963 --> 00:33:28,256
to like do it a certain way
1127
00:33:28,297 --> 00:33:28,923
or is it just--
1128
00:33:30,383 --> 00:33:31,259
I mean, it depends on
1129
00:33:31,342 --> 00:33:34,846
what they want, I guess.
1130
00:33:35,179 --> 00:33:36,389
It depends on the house
1131
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:38,099
and it's a really nice house.
1132
00:33:38,099 --> 00:33:39,934
Yeah, you wanna, so
1133
00:33:39,934 --> 00:33:42,270
sometimes they'll go like diagonally
1134
00:33:43,438 --> 00:33:45,022
and then they'll go back the other way
1135
00:33:45,022 --> 00:33:46,482
to make like a cross pattern.
1136
00:33:46,899 --> 00:33:47,608
Sometimes they'll just
1137
00:33:47,608 --> 00:33:49,068
go this way this time
1138
00:33:49,402 --> 00:33:50,570
and then the next time they cut it,
1139
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:51,362
they'll go this way.
1140
00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:52,071
Okay.
1141
00:33:52,113 --> 00:33:53,114
Try to change it up.
1142
00:33:53,156 --> 00:33:54,490
So when you do that cross pattern,
1143
00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:56,367
you're literally cutting the grass twice.
1144
00:33:56,784 --> 00:33:57,201
Yeah.
1145
00:33:57,577 --> 00:33:58,411
That's why you're, I mean,
1146
00:33:58,911 --> 00:34:00,079
you're not cutting it
1147
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:01,706
twice, you cut it the first time,
1148
00:34:01,706 --> 00:34:03,207
you're just going over it a second time.
1149
00:34:03,207 --> 00:34:03,833
Yeah, but you're--
1150
00:34:03,958 --> 00:34:04,792
To make the pattern.
1151
00:34:04,876 --> 00:34:06,294
But time-wise, you're
1152
00:34:06,961 --> 00:34:07,795
covering the whole--
1153
00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:09,464
Yeah, I mean, speaking of cutting grass,
1154
00:34:09,464 --> 00:34:12,216
I also worked at Queenstown Golf Course
1155
00:34:13,009 --> 00:34:14,719
and on the grounds
1156
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,220
crew and did some like,
1157
00:34:16,804 --> 00:34:17,513
that was kind of cool,
1158
00:34:17,513 --> 00:34:19,348
do a lot of grass cutting
1159
00:34:19,348 --> 00:34:21,309
and maintenance of the
1160
00:34:21,309 --> 00:34:23,311
course and got to use,
1161
00:34:23,686 --> 00:34:25,605
they have very specialized mowers
1162
00:34:25,605 --> 00:34:26,689
for like cutting the
1163
00:34:26,689 --> 00:34:27,982
different parts of the grass.
1164
00:34:28,191 --> 00:34:30,401
They let me cut the greens a little bit,
1165
00:34:30,401 --> 00:34:32,111
but I wasn't awesome at that, so.
1166
00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:34,197
What is so hard about that?
1167
00:34:34,655 --> 00:34:35,740
Like making sure the
1168
00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:37,366
lines are exactly straight,
1169
00:34:37,784 --> 00:34:39,368
because like around
1170
00:34:39,368 --> 00:34:40,453
the edge of the green,
1171
00:34:40,703 --> 00:34:41,871
it's the green and then
1172
00:34:41,871 --> 00:34:43,748
the fringe is the next,
1173
00:34:44,207 --> 00:34:44,582
you look like you're
1174
00:34:44,582 --> 00:34:45,416
about to fall asleep,
1175
00:34:46,167 --> 00:34:47,293
I'm just trying to picture this.
1176
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:49,295
The green is where
1177
00:34:49,295 --> 00:34:51,547
the hole in one happens.
1178
00:34:51,714 --> 00:34:53,007
Yeah, where you're cutting.
1179
00:34:53,174 --> 00:34:54,801
And then there's like a
1180
00:34:54,801 --> 00:34:56,636
collar around the green,
1181
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:57,929
that's called the fringe.
1182
00:34:58,346 --> 00:34:59,305
So if the green is this
1183
00:34:59,305 --> 00:35:01,098
short, the fringe is this short,
1184
00:35:01,474 --> 00:35:03,476
it's just very slightly taller.
1185
00:35:03,810 --> 00:35:04,769
And then the rough right
1186
00:35:04,769 --> 00:35:06,771
around that is a little bit more.
1187
00:35:06,771 --> 00:35:10,191
So it's very intricate grass cutting
1188
00:35:10,191 --> 00:35:13,402
and they're like very specialized mowers
1189
00:35:13,444 --> 00:35:14,695
for each part of the
1190
00:35:14,695 --> 00:35:15,863
course that you're cutting.
1191
00:35:16,197 --> 00:35:17,782
It's a different lawnmower for each one?
1192
00:35:17,782 --> 00:35:18,241
Yeah.
1193
00:35:18,825 --> 00:35:19,700
It just raised the--
1194
00:35:19,909 --> 00:35:22,370
No, they're specialized mowers.
1195
00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:23,871
They have rough mowers,
1196
00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:26,874
they have fringe mowers,
1197
00:35:26,916 --> 00:35:28,042
like you just literally
1198
00:35:28,292 --> 00:35:29,669
drive all around the course
1199
00:35:29,669 --> 00:35:31,045
and just cut the fringe.
1200
00:35:31,504 --> 00:35:32,213
The fringe on this
1201
00:35:32,213 --> 00:35:33,256
one, go to the next one,
1202
00:35:33,256 --> 00:35:34,132
cut the fringe on that one.
1203
00:35:34,298 --> 00:35:35,550
So the fringe or the
1204
00:35:36,342 --> 00:35:38,469
rough is like the easy part?
1205
00:35:38,845 --> 00:35:39,887
The rough is the taller
1206
00:35:39,887 --> 00:35:42,849
grass around the fairway
1207
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:43,933
around the green.
1208
00:35:43,933 --> 00:35:45,768
That's the part they let you cut.
1209
00:35:46,727 --> 00:35:48,980
Well, no, actually, I mean, the rough is,
1210
00:35:50,648 --> 00:35:51,816
I mean, none of it's easy
1211
00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:52,942
because you have to make sure
1212
00:35:52,942 --> 00:35:54,235
that the line is straight.
1213
00:35:54,527 --> 00:35:55,736
If your lines aren't straight,
1214
00:35:55,945 --> 00:35:58,072
like they'll put you on something else.
1215
00:35:58,072 --> 00:35:58,656
You're out of there.
1216
00:35:58,739 --> 00:35:59,115
Yeah.
1217
00:35:59,365 --> 00:35:59,782
Okay.
1218
00:36:00,825 --> 00:36:02,368
You know, some of the
1219
00:36:02,368 --> 00:36:03,119
other jobs are like,
1220
00:36:03,327 --> 00:36:04,954
they move the hole on
1221
00:36:04,954 --> 00:36:06,414
the green every day.
1222
00:36:07,123 --> 00:36:08,958
So there's like a
1223
00:36:09,208 --> 00:36:11,252
contraption that you use
1224
00:36:12,336 --> 00:36:14,088
to cut the hole.
1225
00:36:15,172 --> 00:36:16,883
And it's the size of a golf hole
1226
00:36:17,258 --> 00:36:19,677
and you like slam it into the ground,
1227
00:36:20,219 --> 00:36:22,138
cut a hole and you pull that chunk out.
1228
00:36:22,555 --> 00:36:23,848
And if I recall correctly,
1229
00:36:24,140 --> 00:36:25,099
you take that chunk and
1230
00:36:25,099 --> 00:36:26,100
put it in the old hole.
1231
00:36:26,392 --> 00:36:26,934
That makes sense.
1232
00:36:27,393 --> 00:36:29,395
I think that's exactly how you do it,
1233
00:36:29,395 --> 00:36:30,438
but it's been a while.
1234
00:36:30,479 --> 00:36:31,439
Just move it a little bit.
1235
00:36:31,731 --> 00:36:33,691
No, like all over the green.
1236
00:36:34,317 --> 00:36:36,986
They'll tell you where to put it.
1237
00:36:38,237 --> 00:36:38,487
Yeah.
1238
00:36:38,487 --> 00:36:39,655
What's the purpose of that?
1239
00:36:40,865 --> 00:36:43,117
One, to change the
1240
00:36:43,117 --> 00:36:44,785
difficulty of the hole,
1241
00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:49,165
but also to reduce the wear in one spot
1242
00:36:49,165 --> 00:36:50,166
on the green itself.
1243
00:36:50,166 --> 00:36:50,666
Okay.
1244
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:51,500
You know what I mean?
1245
00:36:51,792 --> 00:36:52,084
Okay.
1246
00:36:52,293 --> 00:36:52,585
Yeah.
1247
00:36:53,461 --> 00:36:53,920
Okay.
1248
00:36:54,045 --> 00:36:54,337
Yeah.
1249
00:36:54,503 --> 00:36:57,590
So other jobs, I mean,
1250
00:36:58,841 --> 00:37:00,092
dude, I've only gone
1251
00:37:00,092 --> 00:37:00,927
like halfway through.
1252
00:37:01,010 --> 00:37:05,932
I mean, after I, so I had,
1253
00:37:06,182 --> 00:37:07,516
we'll talk about this
1254
00:37:07,516 --> 00:37:08,559
at some point, I suppose,
1255
00:37:08,601 --> 00:37:10,311
but there was a period in my life
1256
00:37:10,311 --> 00:37:11,687
when I was in active addiction.
1257
00:37:12,146 --> 00:37:14,065
And then when I got clean,
1258
00:37:15,191 --> 00:37:16,400
shortly after I got clean,
1259
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,443
I started working in
1260
00:37:17,443 --> 00:37:19,570
treatment, substance abuse treatment.
1261
00:37:19,612 --> 00:37:20,905
I started as,
1262
00:37:21,989 --> 00:37:23,366
they call it a different thing in
1263
00:37:23,366 --> 00:37:24,367
different treatment centers,
1264
00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:25,368
but the one I worked at
1265
00:37:25,368 --> 00:37:26,661
was called Serenity Acres,
1266
00:37:26,661 --> 00:37:27,745
and they called it an RC,
1267
00:37:28,037 --> 00:37:29,330
a residential coordinator.
1268
00:37:30,456 --> 00:37:31,165
And you're basically
1269
00:37:31,165 --> 00:37:32,667
like the person that,
1270
00:37:32,708 --> 00:37:34,251
you do all kinds of stuff,
1271
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:35,503
but you're basically
1272
00:37:35,503 --> 00:37:37,046
like helping the clients.
1273
00:37:37,046 --> 00:37:39,590
You help them find their room,
1274
00:37:39,590 --> 00:37:41,384
you help them on a daily basis,
1275
00:37:41,384 --> 00:37:42,593
you make sure they get to group,
1276
00:37:42,635 --> 00:37:46,555
you get the food for their meals
1277
00:37:46,555 --> 00:37:49,725
and anything like that.
1278
00:37:51,435 --> 00:37:52,395
And that was kind of,
1279
00:37:52,436 --> 00:37:53,896
it was a really fun job
1280
00:37:54,188 --> 00:37:55,439
at that point in my life.
1281
00:37:55,648 --> 00:37:59,360
I was like newly clean and
1282
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,363
had this new lust for life,
1283
00:38:02,363 --> 00:38:03,114
you know what I mean?
1284
00:38:03,114 --> 00:38:03,322
Yeah.
1285
00:38:03,614 --> 00:38:04,865
Trying to help everybody that
1286
00:38:04,865 --> 00:38:06,325
was coming through treatment.
1287
00:38:06,534 --> 00:38:09,286
I took that job very, very seriously,
1288
00:38:10,121 --> 00:38:11,664
probably too seriously.
1289
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,750
I was really like gung-ho
1290
00:38:14,959 --> 00:38:17,670
about it, which was good,
1291
00:38:18,713 --> 00:38:19,672
but I think it annoyed some
1292
00:38:19,672 --> 00:38:20,381
people that I worked with.
1293
00:38:20,381 --> 00:38:20,631
Oh yeah.
1294
00:38:20,881 --> 00:38:22,800
Yeah, because I was a little too like,
1295
00:38:23,676 --> 00:38:24,927
let's go, you know what I mean?
1296
00:38:27,054 --> 00:38:30,641
But it did serve me well because my
1297
00:38:30,641 --> 00:38:31,851
employers noticed it
1298
00:38:31,851 --> 00:38:33,269
and they gave me a few raises.
1299
00:38:34,854 --> 00:38:39,150
And then they gave me
1300
00:38:39,150 --> 00:38:40,860
a job in admissions,
1301
00:38:40,901 --> 00:38:42,445
which was like a step
1302
00:38:42,445 --> 00:38:43,904
up, I got a raise there,
1303
00:38:44,363 --> 00:38:45,823
I moved into the office.
1304
00:38:46,824 --> 00:38:47,908
So admissions is like
1305
00:38:50,369 --> 00:38:51,996
when people call and say,
1306
00:38:52,246 --> 00:38:53,372
I think my loved one needs
1307
00:38:53,372 --> 00:38:54,498
to come here or something.
1308
00:38:54,498 --> 00:38:58,669
Yeah, you help coordinate the intake
1309
00:38:59,378 --> 00:39:01,922
of whatever person needs
1310
00:39:01,922 --> 00:39:02,798
to come into treatment.
1311
00:39:03,215 --> 00:39:06,510
But it also evolved a lot of insurance,
1312
00:39:06,886 --> 00:39:09,638
talking to insurance and filing.
1313
00:39:09,764 --> 00:39:11,849
Yeah, so that part I hated.
1314
00:39:12,516 --> 00:39:16,270
And I also did not, it was
1315
00:39:16,270 --> 00:39:18,147
cool to have my own office,
1316
00:39:18,147 --> 00:39:20,066
but at the same time, I
1317
00:39:20,066 --> 00:39:21,150
was in there by myself
1318
00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:23,527
and I was like, this is not,
1319
00:39:23,903 --> 00:39:25,071
I would see the client
1320
00:39:25,071 --> 00:39:26,614
right when they first came in.
1321
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,991
And then the only
1322
00:39:28,991 --> 00:39:30,117
other time I would see them
1323
00:39:30,117 --> 00:39:31,660
is if like I needed to go
1324
00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:32,787
out to one of the houses
1325
00:39:32,787 --> 00:39:34,080
for whatever reason.
1326
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:34,789
And a lot of times I would
1327
00:39:34,789 --> 00:39:36,499
just go out one of the houses
1328
00:39:37,166 --> 00:39:38,417
for no real reason just
1329
00:39:38,417 --> 00:39:39,585
to get out of the office.
1330
00:39:40,252 --> 00:39:43,464
So I ended up taking a pay
1331
00:39:43,464 --> 00:39:45,132
cut to go back to being an RC.
1332
00:39:47,301 --> 00:39:48,511
Yeah, it was a pretty
1333
00:39:48,886 --> 00:39:49,762
substantial pay cut,
1334
00:39:49,762 --> 00:39:50,971
but I was just not happy
1335
00:39:50,971 --> 00:39:51,847
doing what I was doing.
1336
00:39:53,557 --> 00:39:57,728
So then I did that again for a while.
1337
00:39:58,729 --> 00:40:00,689
And I think I started
1338
00:40:01,690 --> 00:40:05,820
taking courses to be a counselor.
1339
00:40:06,362 --> 00:40:10,407
I did graduate from Salisbury with a BA
1340
00:40:10,741 --> 00:40:12,576
in conflict analysis
1341
00:40:12,576 --> 00:40:13,828
and dispute resolution.
1342
00:40:14,537 --> 00:40:15,579
It's kind of like mediation.
1343
00:40:15,579 --> 00:40:17,081
So it kind of like fit a little bit,
1344
00:40:17,540 --> 00:40:19,834
but long story short,
1345
00:40:19,834 --> 00:40:21,710
I still needed other
1346
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:23,129
classes to be a counselor.
1347
00:40:23,754 --> 00:40:25,840
So then that treatment
1348
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,800
center was about to close
1349
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,759
and we all knew it.
1350
00:40:28,843 --> 00:40:30,803
Like it was just, they had
1351
00:40:30,803 --> 00:40:31,929
sold it to a different company.
1352
00:40:31,929 --> 00:40:33,222
The other company was, I
1353
00:40:33,222 --> 00:40:34,014
don't know what they were doing,
1354
00:40:34,014 --> 00:40:35,432
but they were not doing it right.
1355
00:40:37,518 --> 00:40:38,811
So I started interviewing
1356
00:40:38,853 --> 00:40:41,021
and one of the counselors
1357
00:40:41,021 --> 00:40:42,439
that worked at that treatment
1358
00:40:42,439 --> 00:40:44,066
center went to a different one
1359
00:40:44,066 --> 00:40:45,568
and he was like, hey man, come down here.
1360
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,361
So they gave me a job.
1361
00:40:47,361 --> 00:40:48,696
They hired me before
1362
00:40:48,696 --> 00:40:50,781
I actually got my ADT,
1363
00:40:51,323 --> 00:40:52,491
which is like the first
1364
00:40:52,491 --> 00:40:53,576
level of certification
1365
00:40:53,576 --> 00:40:55,077
that you need to be a counselor.
1366
00:40:55,161 --> 00:40:55,494
Okay.
1367
00:40:56,287 --> 00:40:57,121
Alcohol and drug
1368
00:40:57,121 --> 00:40:58,956
trainee is what it stands for.
1369
00:40:58,956 --> 00:40:59,248
Okay.
1370
00:41:00,332 --> 00:41:02,543
So I went there and then I worked,
1371
00:41:02,585 --> 00:41:04,086
I got my ADT after a
1372
00:41:04,086 --> 00:41:05,546
while and I worked there
1373
00:41:05,546 --> 00:41:07,173
for about a year and a half.
1374
00:41:07,173 --> 00:41:09,508
Then they opened the same company
1375
00:41:09,508 --> 00:41:11,260
open to treatment center in Cambridge
1376
00:41:11,260 --> 00:41:12,720
over here on the Eastern shore,
1377
00:41:12,970 --> 00:41:14,430
went down there and worked for a while.
1378
00:41:14,430 --> 00:41:16,182
I did not like it at all.
1379
00:41:16,557 --> 00:41:17,933
That particular location.
1380
00:41:18,267 --> 00:41:19,977
It was a brand new treatment center
1381
00:41:19,977 --> 00:41:23,814
and it just wasn't like, I don't know.
1382
00:41:24,231 --> 00:41:25,149
That's a whole nother
1383
00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:26,150
side story, but yeah,
1384
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:27,985
I just, I didn't love it.
1385
00:41:27,985 --> 00:41:29,737
I worked there for like six months.
1386
00:41:29,987 --> 00:41:30,362
Okay.
1387
00:41:30,446 --> 00:41:34,909
And then my sponsor, his name is George.
1388
00:41:35,367 --> 00:41:37,286
George, we still want you on the show.
1389
00:41:37,745 --> 00:41:40,664
We think you'd be a great guest.
1390
00:41:40,706 --> 00:41:41,248
Great guest.
1391
00:41:42,249 --> 00:41:43,042
He was working at
1392
00:41:43,042 --> 00:41:43,918
another place called Evolve.
1393
00:41:43,918 --> 00:41:44,877
Way better guest than Joe.
1394
00:41:45,211 --> 00:41:46,045
Way better than me and
1395
00:41:46,629 --> 00:41:48,589
Evolve over in Glen Burnie.
1396
00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:51,884
And, you know, through talking with him,
1397
00:41:52,343 --> 00:41:56,347
I got an interview and got hired over
1398
00:41:56,347 --> 00:41:57,306
there as a counselor.
1399
00:41:57,389 --> 00:41:57,765
Okay.
1400
00:41:58,766 --> 00:42:00,434
Different, different whole like.
1401
00:42:01,310 --> 00:42:02,478
Whole different treatment center.
1402
00:42:02,645 --> 00:42:03,020
Yeah.
1403
00:42:03,187 --> 00:42:06,649
And I really enjoyed that.
1404
00:42:06,649 --> 00:42:09,944
And I worked there for, I
1405
00:42:09,944 --> 00:42:11,445
think it was three years.
1406
00:42:12,655 --> 00:42:15,824
And I really loved it,
1407
00:42:16,033 --> 00:42:18,911
but like toward the end,
1408
00:42:18,911 --> 00:42:19,912
I kind of started to get
1409
00:42:19,912 --> 00:42:22,790
burnt out on the whole working
1410
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:24,166
and treatment, being in
1411
00:42:24,166 --> 00:42:25,668
recovery, just recovery,
1412
00:42:25,668 --> 00:42:26,710
recovery, recovery,
1413
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:28,629
recovery all the time.
1414
00:42:28,629 --> 00:42:29,046
Yeah.
1415
00:42:29,672 --> 00:42:30,798
And I also started
1416
00:42:30,798 --> 00:42:32,925
getting into cameras as a hobby.
1417
00:42:34,426 --> 00:42:37,388
And I started to realize that like,
1418
00:42:37,846 --> 00:42:38,889
I started to kind of
1419
00:42:38,889 --> 00:42:40,266
make it a side business
1420
00:42:40,307 --> 00:42:41,850
and realize like, if I
1421
00:42:41,850 --> 00:42:43,435
could put more time into it,
1422
00:42:43,936 --> 00:42:45,688
I could make it an actual business.
1423
00:42:45,688 --> 00:42:46,814
I was already gigging and
1424
00:42:46,897 --> 00:42:48,232
still playing music and stuff.
1425
00:42:49,483 --> 00:42:50,442
So yeah, I eventually
1426
00:42:50,442 --> 00:42:51,485
made the decision, man,
1427
00:42:51,485 --> 00:42:54,947
to quit the job and
1428
00:42:54,947 --> 00:42:55,990
start working for myself.
1429
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:56,865
And that was like
1430
00:42:56,991 --> 00:42:58,242
probably about five years ago.
1431
00:42:58,450 --> 00:42:58,826
Okay.
1432
00:42:59,034 --> 00:42:59,243
Yep.
1433
00:42:59,410 --> 00:43:00,077
What are some of the
1434
00:43:00,077 --> 00:43:02,079
differences in their recovery centers?
1435
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:03,330
Like what makes a one
1436
00:43:03,372 --> 00:43:04,957
place good and one place bad?
1437
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:05,624
I could talk about
1438
00:43:05,624 --> 00:43:07,042
this for hours and hours.
1439
00:43:07,084 --> 00:43:09,545
Give me like a broad strokes.
1440
00:43:11,463 --> 00:43:13,716
Yeah. I mean, at the
1441
00:43:13,716 --> 00:43:15,009
end, so first of all,
1442
00:43:15,509 --> 00:43:16,510
treatment is a great thing.
1443
00:43:16,969 --> 00:43:18,429
It is, you know, it's a great thing.
1444
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:21,640
However, it is a business.
1445
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:22,224
Yeah.
1446
00:43:22,308 --> 00:43:26,061
And regardless of how
1447
00:43:26,061 --> 00:43:27,521
good the intentions are
1448
00:43:28,355 --> 00:43:29,356
of the employees that
1449
00:43:29,356 --> 00:43:30,774
work at any treatment center,
1450
00:43:31,984 --> 00:43:35,279
the goal of the owner is to make money.
1451
00:43:35,779 --> 00:43:36,071
Right.
1452
00:43:36,572 --> 00:43:37,656
Which, you know, you
1453
00:43:37,656 --> 00:43:38,657
can't blame them, right?
1454
00:43:38,657 --> 00:43:39,658
Yeah. It's kind of a,
1455
00:43:39,658 --> 00:43:41,535
but it's a weird thing when you're mixing
1456
00:43:41,535 --> 00:43:43,120
those two things together.
1457
00:43:44,413 --> 00:43:46,582
And what I found is the
1458
00:43:46,582 --> 00:43:48,709
higher up the chain you get
1459
00:43:48,917 --> 00:43:51,754
in a treatment center as an employee,
1460
00:43:52,129 --> 00:43:55,007
the more you realize it's about money.
1461
00:43:55,674 --> 00:43:56,050
Okay.
1462
00:43:56,133 --> 00:44:00,262
You know, and it's a
1463
00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:02,765
frustrating thing, man.
1464
00:44:03,015 --> 00:44:04,975
It really is because there are.
1465
00:44:05,142 --> 00:44:06,518
How does that manifest though?
1466
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:08,395
Like
1467
00:44:11,273 --> 00:44:13,317
It's just, it's difficult to explain.
1468
00:44:13,734 --> 00:44:15,402
Like you think about
1469
00:44:15,402 --> 00:44:17,571
like the lower level people
1470
00:44:17,613 --> 00:44:19,281
that work in a treatment center,
1471
00:44:19,907 --> 00:44:23,911
most of them are gung ho about recovery
1472
00:44:23,952 --> 00:44:27,915
and like awesome people
1473
00:44:27,915 --> 00:44:29,458
and they do a really good job
1474
00:44:29,458 --> 00:44:32,211
and they're inspiring to the clients
1475
00:44:32,211 --> 00:44:34,338
and they're very invested
1476
00:44:34,338 --> 00:44:36,340
in the client's recovery
1477
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:37,966
and trying to help them.
1478
00:44:38,258 --> 00:44:39,259
And I'm not saying
1479
00:44:39,259 --> 00:44:40,552
that the owners aren't,
1480
00:44:41,178 --> 00:44:43,847
but the owners aren't
1481
00:44:45,099 --> 00:44:46,850
the higher level people
1482
00:44:47,184 --> 00:44:48,644
which would include the owners
1483
00:44:49,728 --> 00:44:51,313
and the people in administration.
1484
00:44:52,606 --> 00:44:54,858
I think that they still have that idea,
1485
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:55,901
but they're not on the
1486
00:44:55,901 --> 00:44:58,070
ground floor with the clients.
1487
00:44:58,821 --> 00:45:02,658
And their day to day is thinking about
1488
00:45:02,658 --> 00:45:03,909
administrative stuff.
1489
00:45:04,326 --> 00:45:06,829
The lower level people, their day to day
1490
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:09,373
is invested in you, the client.
1491
00:45:09,998 --> 00:45:10,207
Okay.
1492
00:45:10,207 --> 00:45:12,376
And it's like, there's just
1493
00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:14,586
this like inherent disconnect
1494
00:45:14,586 --> 00:45:17,923
that happens just based on the nature
1495
00:45:18,257 --> 00:45:21,427
of how treatment is paid for.
1496
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:22,136
Oh.
1497
00:45:22,136 --> 00:45:24,054
You know, it's paid for by insurance.
1498
00:45:24,346 --> 00:45:25,639
So like you have to
1499
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:27,182
appease the insurance companies.
1500
00:45:27,182 --> 00:45:29,560
You have to do things that
1501
00:45:31,437 --> 00:45:33,147
the insurance companies require.
1502
00:45:33,814 --> 00:45:35,441
And a lot of it is just
1503
00:45:35,441 --> 00:45:38,444
ridiculous and unnecessary
1504
00:45:39,194 --> 00:45:41,238
or not the right thing to do.
1505
00:45:41,864 --> 00:45:43,365
So like the higher ups
1506
00:45:43,365 --> 00:45:45,159
are like putting maybe.
1507
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:46,577
They have to enforce that stuff
1508
00:45:46,785 --> 00:45:47,494
and they still
1509
00:45:47,494 --> 00:45:48,996
probably know like, I know,
1510
00:45:48,996 --> 00:45:52,374
but this is what we have to do.
1511
00:45:53,083 --> 00:45:54,960
And then the lower level people are like,
1512
00:45:55,461 --> 00:45:56,420
what the hell?
1513
00:45:56,503 --> 00:45:59,256
Like, why are we doing this stupid thing?
1514
00:46:00,132 --> 00:46:00,340
You know.
1515
00:46:00,340 --> 00:46:02,301
So like maybe a person should be going
1516
00:46:02,301 --> 00:46:04,511
in one direction treatment wise,
1517
00:46:04,511 --> 00:46:05,387
but they have to go in
1518
00:46:05,387 --> 00:46:06,180
a different direction
1519
00:46:06,180 --> 00:46:06,889
to appease the.
1520
00:46:07,222 --> 00:46:07,639
Yeah.
1521
00:46:07,764 --> 00:46:09,016
So here's an example.
1522
00:46:09,016 --> 00:46:10,225
When I was a counselor,
1523
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:14,021
I had two clients, right?
1524
00:46:14,146 --> 00:46:15,564
I mean, I had more than two clients,
1525
00:46:15,564 --> 00:46:17,691
but for this example, I had two clients.
1526
00:46:17,941 --> 00:46:19,902
One client had private insurance,
1527
00:46:19,902 --> 00:46:21,278
like Blue Cross Blue Shield.
1528
00:46:21,361 --> 00:46:22,154
I don't remember if
1529
00:46:22,154 --> 00:46:23,155
that's exactly what it was,
1530
00:46:23,155 --> 00:46:24,239
but he had private insurance.
1531
00:46:24,531 --> 00:46:26,575
The other one had state insurance.
1532
00:46:28,368 --> 00:46:29,411
You would think that
1533
00:46:29,411 --> 00:46:30,370
the private insurance
1534
00:46:30,454 --> 00:46:32,998
was way better than the state insurance,
1535
00:46:33,624 --> 00:46:36,126
but when it comes to treatment, it's not.
1536
00:46:36,627 --> 00:46:37,878
State insurance in
1537
00:46:37,878 --> 00:46:39,963
Maryland will give you,
1538
00:46:40,005 --> 00:46:42,382
they give them 30 days at a time.
1539
00:46:42,633 --> 00:46:44,593
So like if I'm your counselor
1540
00:46:44,593 --> 00:46:46,220
and we meet for an individual session
1541
00:46:46,220 --> 00:46:47,679
and I write my note and
1542
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:49,264
then I send my recommendation
1543
00:46:49,264 --> 00:46:52,184
to insurance, to state insurance,
1544
00:46:52,643 --> 00:46:54,436
yeah, Mike is still, he's doing well.
1545
00:46:54,436 --> 00:46:55,270
He's making progress,
1546
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:56,230
but he's still struggling.
1547
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:57,439
He still needs treatment.
1548
00:46:57,981 --> 00:46:59,024
State insurance will be like,
1549
00:46:59,066 --> 00:47:00,400
"Okay, here's another 30 days."
1550
00:47:01,068 --> 00:47:02,236
Blue Cross Blue Shield,
1551
00:47:02,986 --> 00:47:05,197
depending on the millions
1552
00:47:05,197 --> 00:47:06,281
of different plans that
1553
00:47:06,281 --> 00:47:07,616
he could possibly have,
1554
00:47:07,991 --> 00:47:10,160
might say, "All right,
1555
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,578
well, here's three more days.
1556
00:47:11,620 --> 00:47:12,871
"Get back to us in three days."
1557
00:47:13,330 --> 00:47:15,290
Or they might say, "Here's 17 days.
1558
00:47:15,791 --> 00:47:17,042
"Get back to us in 17 days."
1559
00:47:17,417 --> 00:47:20,629
So I had this client
1560
00:47:20,629 --> 00:47:22,047
who had private insurance
1561
00:47:22,047 --> 00:47:22,756
and this other client
1562
00:47:22,756 --> 00:47:23,715
who had state insurance.
1563
00:47:24,132 --> 00:47:26,051
This client who had private insurance
1564
00:47:26,260 --> 00:47:28,679
was doing really well, but he obviously,
1565
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:30,556
he still needed treatment.
1566
00:47:31,306 --> 00:47:35,269
State insurance client was definitely
1567
00:47:35,269 --> 00:47:36,186
still needed treatment
1568
00:47:36,186 --> 00:47:37,646
and struggling bad.
1569
00:47:38,146 --> 00:47:39,314
I had to meet with this
1570
00:47:39,314 --> 00:47:41,233
client like every other day
1571
00:47:41,733 --> 00:47:43,652
and kind of ignore this client
1572
00:47:43,902 --> 00:47:45,279
because his insurance
1573
00:47:45,279 --> 00:47:47,322
demanded so much updates.
1574
00:47:47,906 --> 00:47:49,366
And I'm like meeting with this guy.
1575
00:47:49,366 --> 00:47:50,659
And now my other clients are like,
1576
00:47:50,701 --> 00:47:51,451
"Why are you meeting
1577
00:47:51,451 --> 00:47:52,911
with him every other day?
1578
00:47:52,911 --> 00:47:53,870
"But my appointment with
1579
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:55,205
you is not for two weeks."
1580
00:47:56,290 --> 00:47:57,583
I'm struggling here, man.
1581
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,585
And I'm like, "I know you are, dude.
1582
00:47:59,585 --> 00:48:00,127
"I know."
1583
00:48:01,336 --> 00:48:03,130
And you can't tell the other client,
1584
00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:04,381
like, "Oh, it's because his insurance
1585
00:48:04,381 --> 00:48:05,841
"is being a pain in the ass."
1586
00:48:06,717 --> 00:48:07,884
So it's like stuff like
1587
00:48:07,884 --> 00:48:10,053
that that was really just-
1588
00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:11,054
What do you tell them?
1589
00:48:11,054 --> 00:48:12,139
Just can't tell you?
1590
00:48:13,348 --> 00:48:14,850
Yeah, I mean, kinda.
1591
00:48:14,891 --> 00:48:15,892
You have to be like,
1592
00:48:15,976 --> 00:48:17,686
"I can't discuss another
1593
00:48:17,686 --> 00:48:20,647
client's issues with you."
1594
00:48:20,647 --> 00:48:21,898
They know, they know the-
1595
00:48:21,898 --> 00:48:22,733
Some of them do.
1596
00:48:22,774 --> 00:48:24,359
Some of them know, but-
1597
00:48:25,527 --> 00:48:28,989
The scheduling's not a secret.
1598
00:48:29,323 --> 00:48:30,365
They can see that you're-
1599
00:48:30,866 --> 00:48:31,450
Oh, they know that
1600
00:48:31,450 --> 00:48:32,200
you're meeting with them
1601
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:32,868
every other day.
1602
00:48:32,993 --> 00:48:34,328
Yeah, the scheduling's not a secret.
1603
00:48:34,328 --> 00:48:35,579
I mean, we posted it on a board.
1604
00:48:35,662 --> 00:48:35,871
Okay.
1605
00:48:36,538 --> 00:48:40,751
But yeah, it was things like that
1606
00:48:40,751 --> 00:48:42,127
that were kinda,
1607
00:48:43,086 --> 00:48:44,171
they just kinda wear
1608
00:48:44,171 --> 00:48:45,297
on you after a while.
1609
00:48:45,339 --> 00:48:45,922
Yeah.
1610
00:48:46,465 --> 00:48:48,592
Yeah, you know what somebody needs,
1611
00:48:48,592 --> 00:48:50,093
but you can't get it from on the side.
1612
00:48:50,093 --> 00:48:52,304
And to be honest, Mike, I really,
1613
00:48:54,389 --> 00:48:56,767
it wasn't just that,
1614
00:48:57,017 --> 00:49:02,606
just being around recovery all the time
1615
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:04,191
and then going to
1616
00:49:04,191 --> 00:49:05,984
meetings myself in the evening,
1617
00:49:06,693 --> 00:49:08,528
it was just so much
1618
00:49:08,528 --> 00:49:09,988
recovery, recovery, recovery.
1619
00:49:10,197 --> 00:49:11,406
Part of me just wanted to be like,
1620
00:49:11,448 --> 00:49:12,741
"All right, I kinda wanna just be a
1621
00:49:12,741 --> 00:49:14,159
little bit more normal."
1622
00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:14,576
Yeah.
1623
00:49:15,035 --> 00:49:15,535
You know?
1624
00:49:15,869 --> 00:49:16,161
Yeah.
1625
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:18,080
Not to say that I wanted
1626
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,414
to forget about recovery.
1627
00:49:19,456 --> 00:49:23,752
I just, it was so much recovery stuff.
1628
00:49:23,877 --> 00:49:25,796
We're like six, seven years,
1629
00:49:26,338 --> 00:49:28,256
and I kinda wanted to
1630
00:49:28,256 --> 00:49:29,216
back away a little bit
1631
00:49:29,216 --> 00:49:30,467
and go in a different direction.
1632
00:49:30,801 --> 00:49:31,843
Are you comfortable
1633
00:49:31,885 --> 00:49:33,804
discussing what led you
1634
00:49:33,804 --> 00:49:38,100
to that point in your life,
1635
00:49:38,558 --> 00:49:39,476
in terms of how you,
1636
00:49:40,894 --> 00:49:42,729
when you started using drugs, why,
1637
00:49:43,271 --> 00:49:44,356
like that kinda stuff?
1638
00:49:44,356 --> 00:49:47,192
Yeah, I mean, it's funny,
1639
00:49:47,484 --> 00:49:51,321
when I went to treatment, my counselor,
1640
00:49:51,321 --> 00:49:54,366
my first counselor, she was really good.
1641
00:49:54,408 --> 00:49:55,701
She was great, her name was Susan.
1642
00:49:56,243 --> 00:49:58,704
And I remember her telling me like,
1643
00:49:58,704 --> 00:50:01,498
"Joe, I've got a whole
1644
00:50:01,498 --> 00:50:02,499
bunch of other clients,
1645
00:50:02,499 --> 00:50:06,044
and some of them have past trauma.
1646
00:50:06,044 --> 00:50:06,962
Some of them have,
1647
00:50:07,879 --> 00:50:08,922
they were born addicted,
1648
00:50:08,922 --> 00:50:11,758
or some of them watched their parents
1649
00:50:11,758 --> 00:50:12,759
being murdered or whatever."
1650
00:50:12,759 --> 00:50:15,929
And I can understand why
1651
00:50:15,929 --> 00:50:16,930
they ended up like this.
1652
00:50:16,930 --> 00:50:18,390
And she's like, "I can't figure you out.
1653
00:50:18,598 --> 00:50:21,476
Why are you, how did you end up here?"
1654
00:50:22,853 --> 00:50:24,646
And I've tried to explain that before.
1655
00:50:25,355 --> 00:50:26,189
I told you a few minutes
1656
00:50:26,189 --> 00:50:27,566
ago, I had a good childhood.
1657
00:50:28,525 --> 00:50:29,276
It wasn't really any
1658
00:50:29,276 --> 00:50:30,861
real reason, I guess.
1659
00:50:32,779 --> 00:50:35,949
I remember when I was in high school,
1660
00:50:36,783 --> 00:50:38,577
before I ever smoked
1661
00:50:38,577 --> 00:50:39,953
any weed or cigarettes,
1662
00:50:41,329 --> 00:50:45,208
I did start dipping, like skull.
1663
00:50:46,376 --> 00:50:47,794
And I remember like you
1664
00:50:47,794 --> 00:50:49,629
would get that nicotine buzz.
1665
00:50:49,963 --> 00:50:52,632
And with skull, it was, you got a pretty
1666
00:50:52,632 --> 00:50:53,633
serious nicotine buzz.
1667
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:54,801
I worked at Prospect Bay
1668
00:50:54,801 --> 00:50:56,970
Golf Course as a cart boy.
1669
00:50:57,345 --> 00:50:58,430
And like, we all did it.
1670
00:50:58,889 --> 00:51:01,975
And I remember like, liking that.
1671
00:51:02,517 --> 00:51:04,853
That was my first like buzz, you know?
1672
00:51:06,062 --> 00:51:09,232
And then, we would find beers,
1673
00:51:09,232 --> 00:51:10,317
they would have tournaments
1674
00:51:10,317 --> 00:51:11,401
and the guys would come in
1675
00:51:11,401 --> 00:51:11,985
and they wouldn't have
1676
00:51:11,985 --> 00:51:12,778
drank all their beers,
1677
00:51:12,778 --> 00:51:13,945
so we would steal their beers.
1678
00:51:14,362 --> 00:51:16,239
I was like 15, 16 at the time.
1679
00:51:19,034 --> 00:51:20,076
I mean, that's kind
1680
00:51:20,076 --> 00:51:21,328
of like, when I say it,
1681
00:51:21,328 --> 00:51:21,953
it's like normal
1682
00:51:21,953 --> 00:51:22,913
stuff, you know what I mean?
1683
00:51:24,748 --> 00:51:27,667
And for a while, like that's it.
1684
00:51:27,709 --> 00:51:29,419
I was like against weed, I
1685
00:51:29,419 --> 00:51:30,921
was totally against drugs
1686
00:51:30,921 --> 00:51:32,672
and anything more than that.
1687
00:51:34,132 --> 00:51:35,133
And I had some friends
1688
00:51:35,133 --> 00:51:36,885
who started smoking weed.
1689
00:51:36,927 --> 00:51:39,137
It was actually some of my close friends,
1690
00:51:39,304 --> 00:51:40,764
guys that I hung out with a lot.
1691
00:51:42,557 --> 00:51:44,601
And I remember like, I'd
1692
00:51:44,601 --> 00:51:45,560
be hanging out with them
1693
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:46,978
and they'd be smoking weed and I'm like,
1694
00:51:46,978 --> 00:51:48,063
nope, I'm not doing
1695
00:51:48,063 --> 00:51:49,189
that, you guys are dumb.
1696
00:51:50,482 --> 00:51:52,359
And then, after a
1697
00:51:52,359 --> 00:51:54,110
while, I was like, all right,
1698
00:51:54,653 --> 00:51:55,403
let me try it.
1699
00:51:56,071 --> 00:51:57,364
And I loved it.
1700
00:51:58,406 --> 00:51:59,825
And I went from like
1701
00:51:59,825 --> 00:52:02,661
being against smoking weed
1702
00:52:02,953 --> 00:52:04,663
to like a full blown
1703
00:52:04,663 --> 00:52:06,373
pothead within like two weeks.
1704
00:52:06,832 --> 00:52:07,916
Smoking weed before
1705
00:52:07,916 --> 00:52:09,793
school, two weeks later.
1706
00:52:09,918 --> 00:52:10,418
Wow.
1707
00:52:10,502 --> 00:52:11,837
Yeah, and like every
1708
00:52:11,837 --> 00:52:13,004
day, every chance I got.
1709
00:52:15,298 --> 00:52:16,800
And I mean, it was kind of like,
1710
00:52:16,883 --> 00:52:20,637
it was a cool thing to do then.
1711
00:52:21,263 --> 00:52:23,515
And I don't know, man,
1712
00:52:23,557 --> 00:52:24,516
it just kind of like,
1713
00:52:24,933 --> 00:52:27,727
it kind of, that didn't really progress.
1714
00:52:27,769 --> 00:52:31,273
I mean, like I said, I was all about it.
1715
00:52:32,774 --> 00:52:33,775
Lifestyle, kind of.
1716
00:52:33,775 --> 00:52:35,402
Yeah, it was like a lifestyle thing.
1717
00:52:35,443 --> 00:52:36,653
I kind of identified
1718
00:52:36,653 --> 00:52:37,821
with it a little bit.
1719
00:52:37,821 --> 00:52:39,531
Like I had this like kind of
1720
00:52:39,531 --> 00:52:41,908
hippie-ish phase after that.
1721
00:52:44,536 --> 00:52:45,745
Started listening to fish.
1722
00:52:45,787 --> 00:52:46,872
I was gonna say that when you started
1723
00:52:46,872 --> 00:52:47,664
listening to fish.
1724
00:52:47,873 --> 00:52:49,332
Yeah, right around that time, yep.
1725
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,004
And then, somewhere along, somewhere in
1726
00:52:54,004 --> 00:52:54,963
that period of time,
1727
00:52:55,463 --> 00:52:56,464
like somebody had
1728
00:52:56,464 --> 00:52:57,799
some Percocets, you know,
1729
00:52:57,799 --> 00:52:58,800
and I remember I'm like,
1730
00:52:58,800 --> 00:52:59,759
all right, well, I mean,
1731
00:53:00,260 --> 00:53:02,095
try that and I loved it.
1732
00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:06,474
And that was, I think
1733
00:53:06,474 --> 00:53:08,018
we, like smoking weed
1734
00:53:08,018 --> 00:53:09,144
and realizing I loved it
1735
00:53:09,144 --> 00:53:10,937
was a bit of a turning point,
1736
00:53:11,354 --> 00:53:13,106
but knowing, like
1737
00:53:13,106 --> 00:53:15,025
trying the Percocet and like,
1738
00:53:15,025 --> 00:53:16,902
holy shit, this is amazing.
1739
00:53:17,485 --> 00:53:20,322
That was a big turning point.
1740
00:53:20,655 --> 00:53:25,410
Luckily, that stuff was not around a lot.
1741
00:53:25,493 --> 00:53:27,245
Like, you know. Okay, not easy to get.
1742
00:53:27,329 --> 00:53:28,371
No, not easy to get.
1743
00:53:28,371 --> 00:53:29,915
It would come around every
1744
00:53:29,915 --> 00:53:31,166
couple months or whatever.
1745
00:53:33,293 --> 00:53:35,462
But, you know, when I, so then
1746
00:53:35,462 --> 00:53:37,339
I think I just became curious
1747
00:53:37,339 --> 00:53:39,049
about other stuff, but I
1748
00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:40,675
still had this like fear,
1749
00:53:40,675 --> 00:53:43,053
like I'm not doing heroin.
1750
00:53:43,053 --> 00:53:45,513
I'm not gonna smoke crack.
1751
00:53:45,555 --> 00:53:46,264
I'm not gonna do that
1752
00:53:46,264 --> 00:53:47,974
stuff, but like, you know,
1753
00:53:47,974 --> 00:53:49,434
so I tried cocaine and
1754
00:53:49,434 --> 00:53:51,561
like acid and mushrooms
1755
00:53:51,561 --> 00:53:54,356
and, you know, then it was like,
1756
00:53:54,356 --> 00:53:55,190
then it was cool to like
1757
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:56,733
sniff Ritalin and, you know,
1758
00:53:56,775 --> 00:53:58,193
okay, yeah, sure, I'll do that.
1759
00:53:58,944 --> 00:54:00,195
So it all kind of like
1760
00:54:00,195 --> 00:54:03,073
progressed and like, you know,
1761
00:54:04,282 --> 00:54:06,868
when I was, you know, younger, you know,
1762
00:54:07,369 --> 00:54:08,995
late teens and through my
1763
00:54:08,995 --> 00:54:11,539
twenties, I mean, you know,
1764
00:54:11,539 --> 00:54:12,916
I don't know if you can relate, but like,
1765
00:54:12,916 --> 00:54:13,917
you don't think anything
1766
00:54:13,917 --> 00:54:15,210
bad is gonna happen to you.
1767
00:54:15,210 --> 00:54:17,754
You're like, I'm good, bro.
1768
00:54:17,754 --> 00:54:19,631
Like, I got, you know,
1769
00:54:20,215 --> 00:54:21,716
that's that person over there,
1770
00:54:21,716 --> 00:54:22,801
not me, you know.
1771
00:54:24,511 --> 00:54:25,971
But yeah, it did, it did
1772
00:54:25,971 --> 00:54:27,597
progress and it kind of,
1773
00:54:28,348 --> 00:54:30,892
turned into more about
1774
00:54:31,893 --> 00:54:34,729
using than it did anything else.
1775
00:54:34,771 --> 00:54:38,483
And yeah, I mean,
1776
00:54:38,483 --> 00:54:39,442
that's really the only way
1777
00:54:39,442 --> 00:54:40,026
I can kind of--
1778
00:54:40,151 --> 00:54:41,361
Like life became more about you.
1779
00:54:41,403 --> 00:54:43,905
Yeah, yeah, you know, and it was like,
1780
00:54:43,905 --> 00:54:45,907
well, I'm painting houses and like,
1781
00:54:46,282 --> 00:54:47,826
I'm making decent money doing that.
1782
00:54:47,826 --> 00:54:49,619
It's not bad, I can smoke weed all day.
1783
00:54:49,869 --> 00:54:51,621
I can even get high and like use some
1784
00:54:51,621 --> 00:54:52,706
other drugs sometimes
1785
00:54:52,706 --> 00:54:54,040
and it's not really a big deal.
1786
00:54:54,541 --> 00:54:55,333
Still paint houses.
1787
00:54:55,375 --> 00:54:56,209
I can get away with it,
1788
00:54:56,209 --> 00:54:57,335
yeah, and still paint houses.
1789
00:54:57,377 --> 00:54:57,544
Yeah.
1790
00:54:59,796 --> 00:55:00,797
And it seemed like a lot of
1791
00:55:00,797 --> 00:55:02,132
other people were doing it too
1792
00:55:02,132 --> 00:55:02,924
and I'm like, all
1793
00:55:02,924 --> 00:55:04,592
right, you know, whatever.
1794
00:55:05,427 --> 00:55:07,220
But the thing that really,
1795
00:55:08,263 --> 00:55:12,058
when the like Oxycontin's were around,
1796
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:19,441
that was like 2008 to like 2015 or so,
1797
00:55:19,441 --> 00:55:20,275
something like that.
1798
00:55:21,317 --> 00:55:24,320
That was, you know, I
1799
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,073
didn't like plummet downhill,
1800
00:55:27,115 --> 00:55:29,826
but like it was that
1801
00:55:29,826 --> 00:55:31,745
chunk of time for me was like,
1802
00:55:32,328 --> 00:55:33,621
I was using that whole time.
1803
00:55:34,122 --> 00:55:37,792
I never would like, something
1804
00:55:37,876 --> 00:55:39,711
interesting and kind of weird,
1805
00:55:39,711 --> 00:55:41,004
like you talked to a lot of
1806
00:55:41,004 --> 00:55:43,131
like heroin or opiate addicts.
1807
00:55:43,590 --> 00:55:46,259
They get to this point, most of them do,
1808
00:55:46,676 --> 00:55:48,386
where it's like, they call
1809
00:55:48,386 --> 00:55:49,763
it like maintenance using,
1810
00:55:49,763 --> 00:55:51,931
where they're not really getting high,
1811
00:55:51,931 --> 00:55:52,807
they're just using it
1812
00:55:52,807 --> 00:55:55,143
enough to not be sick.
1813
00:55:55,435 --> 00:55:58,938
And that happens, it's like a drinker
1814
00:55:58,938 --> 00:56:00,148
who drinks every single day.
1815
00:56:00,148 --> 00:56:01,149
Like if you stop drinking,
1816
00:56:01,149 --> 00:56:04,194
you're gonna be sick and get DTs, but I
1817
00:56:04,194 --> 00:56:05,278
didn't get like that
1818
00:56:05,278 --> 00:56:07,113
because I would not
1819
00:56:07,113 --> 00:56:09,657
use opiates every day.
1820
00:56:10,075 --> 00:56:11,034
I would use them for
1821
00:56:11,034 --> 00:56:12,202
like a few days in a row
1822
00:56:12,202 --> 00:56:13,787
and then I'd stop for like a week.
1823
00:56:14,871 --> 00:56:16,164
I keep smoking weed and
1824
00:56:16,164 --> 00:56:17,373
like drinking and stuff.
1825
00:56:17,582 --> 00:56:19,334
So I kind of like, you know,
1826
00:56:19,375 --> 00:56:20,085
it wasn't just this
1827
00:56:20,085 --> 00:56:21,211
straight plummet down.
1828
00:56:21,211 --> 00:56:23,880
I was able to maintain for a while.
1829
00:56:24,339 --> 00:56:27,675
I'm really glad that I didn't use the way
1830
00:56:27,675 --> 00:56:29,260
a lot of opiate users do.
1831
00:56:31,721 --> 00:56:34,307
So I never got to the
1832
00:56:34,307 --> 00:56:35,892
point of like shooting heroin,
1833
00:56:36,476 --> 00:56:38,728
which I'm very thankful for.
1834
00:56:38,728 --> 00:56:41,564
And that's like, because you like people,
1835
00:56:41,981 --> 00:56:43,775
are you saying like people do that
1836
00:56:43,775 --> 00:56:46,111
because like they can't get oxycontin
1837
00:56:46,528 --> 00:56:47,987
and then they--
1838
00:56:48,113 --> 00:56:49,823
Well, most opiate users,
1839
00:56:51,032 --> 00:56:52,117
most opiate users at
1840
00:56:52,117 --> 00:56:54,494
some point realize that
1841
00:56:55,453 --> 00:56:57,622
it's like getting the
1842
00:56:57,622 --> 00:56:58,873
most out of your drug.
1843
00:56:59,707 --> 00:57:00,500
If you're sniffing it,
1844
00:57:00,542 --> 00:57:01,793
yeah, you're getting high,
1845
00:57:01,793 --> 00:57:02,544
but if you shoot it,
1846
00:57:02,544 --> 00:57:05,171
you get way, way higher.
1847
00:57:05,380 --> 00:57:05,713
I see.
1848
00:57:06,631 --> 00:57:08,091
It's like the, you know,
1849
00:57:10,176 --> 00:57:11,803
how your body absorbs it the most.
1850
00:57:12,053 --> 00:57:13,263
Yeah, yeah, that's the word, right?
1851
00:57:14,305 --> 00:57:16,558
But yeah, actually,
1852
00:57:17,433 --> 00:57:20,395
when I was about to go to,
1853
00:57:20,395 --> 00:57:22,021
finally, at one point,
1854
00:57:22,021 --> 00:57:22,564
my parents were like,
1855
00:57:22,564 --> 00:57:23,606
you need to go to treatment,
1856
00:57:23,606 --> 00:57:25,483
and I fought them for a day or two,
1857
00:57:25,483 --> 00:57:26,568
and then like, all right, fine, I'll go.
1858
00:57:28,361 --> 00:57:30,572
And then I asked the
1859
00:57:30,572 --> 00:57:32,949
person I was getting heroin from
1860
00:57:33,366 --> 00:57:34,284
to shoot me up.
1861
00:57:35,285 --> 00:57:37,370
Wait, you were getting heroin,
1862
00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:38,997
but you weren't shooting, how do you--
1863
00:57:38,997 --> 00:57:39,747
I was sniffing it.
1864
00:57:40,165 --> 00:57:40,790
Oh, okay.
1865
00:57:40,957 --> 00:57:42,000
Yeah, and I knew I was
1866
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,793
going to treatment the next day,
1867
00:57:44,377 --> 00:57:46,254
and I was like, oh, whatever,
1868
00:57:46,254 --> 00:57:47,046
I'll just, I don't know
1869
00:57:47,046 --> 00:57:48,882
how to shoot myself up.
1870
00:57:48,882 --> 00:57:49,674
I don't have any needles.
1871
00:57:49,674 --> 00:57:50,717
I knew that person did,
1872
00:57:51,092 --> 00:57:52,260
and I asked them to do it,
1873
00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:53,052
and they said no.
1874
00:57:53,386 --> 00:57:53,678
Really?
1875
00:57:53,761 --> 00:57:54,929
They were like, no, I'm not doing that.
1876
00:57:54,929 --> 00:57:56,264
They knew I was going to treatment,
1877
00:57:56,347 --> 00:57:57,682
and they were like, you're not gonna go,
1878
00:57:57,724 --> 00:57:59,350
if I do that, you won't go to treatment.
1879
00:57:59,350 --> 00:58:00,643
And I'm like, all right.
1880
00:58:00,810 --> 00:58:01,561
You know, I kind of
1881
00:58:01,561 --> 00:58:02,812
took that as like a sign.
1882
00:58:03,229 --> 00:58:04,147
Yeah, if you're a heroin
1883
00:58:04,189 --> 00:58:05,064
dealer's telling you no.
1884
00:58:05,106 --> 00:58:06,316
Yeah, right, I was like,
1885
00:58:06,316 --> 00:58:08,860
well, okay, you know, all right.
1886
00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:10,570
So you went to treatment then?
1887
00:58:10,612 --> 00:58:11,738
I went to treatment, yep,
1888
00:58:11,738 --> 00:58:13,531
I did go, and I did well.
1889
00:58:15,283 --> 00:58:15,867
How old were you?
1890
00:58:16,367 --> 00:58:18,703
I was like 31.
1891
00:58:19,579 --> 00:58:21,581
Okay, is that before I knew you, or?
1892
00:58:22,707 --> 00:58:25,668
Yeah, yeah, Joey, my son was like two.
1893
00:58:28,713 --> 00:58:31,132
I think I knew you when Joey was a baby.
1894
00:58:32,091 --> 00:58:33,968
I think I started playing bass and heavy.
1895
00:58:33,968 --> 00:58:34,969
Oh, so yeah, it was
1896
00:58:34,969 --> 00:58:36,387
after, yeah, you knew me then.
1897
00:58:36,429 --> 00:58:39,140
It was before the time
1898
00:58:39,140 --> 00:58:42,644
that I initiated, or?
1899
00:58:42,644 --> 00:58:44,729
Yeah, it was after you
1900
00:58:44,729 --> 00:58:46,689
guys gave me the intervention.
1901
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:49,108
It was a while, it was like a year later.
1902
00:58:49,108 --> 00:58:50,610
It was after that, okay, I see.
1903
00:58:50,777 --> 00:58:51,694
A year, a year and a half,
1904
00:58:51,736 --> 00:58:52,987
it was about a year later.
1905
00:58:55,365 --> 00:58:59,827
So I went and did really well, you know,
1906
00:58:59,869 --> 00:59:02,997
had this 180 degree turn
1907
00:59:02,997 --> 00:59:05,792
and, excuse me, came out of it,
1908
00:59:05,833 --> 00:59:08,044
you know, all about recovery,
1909
00:59:09,212 --> 00:59:10,213
did what they told me to do.
1910
00:59:10,255 --> 00:59:11,339
I fought it at first for
1911
00:59:11,339 --> 00:59:12,548
like the first couple weeks
1912
00:59:12,548 --> 00:59:13,424
while I was in treatment.
1913
00:59:14,634 --> 00:59:16,803
But, you know, after a while of being
1914
00:59:16,803 --> 00:59:18,304
clean and clear minded,
1915
00:59:19,055 --> 00:59:19,847
I was just like, what
1916
00:59:20,431 --> 00:59:21,099
the fuck am I doing?
1917
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:21,599
Yeah.
1918
00:59:21,933 --> 00:59:23,226
I mean, like, this
1919
00:59:23,226 --> 00:59:24,811
is, just do this, dude.
1920
00:59:24,894 --> 00:59:25,270
Yeah.
1921
00:59:25,353 --> 00:59:26,521
Do what they're telling you to do.
1922
00:59:27,105 --> 00:59:31,109
So I did, and came out, did really well,
1923
00:59:32,485 --> 00:59:34,112
and went to a bunch of meetings
1924
00:59:34,153 --> 00:59:37,282
and got a new job with DirecTV.
1925
00:59:37,282 --> 00:59:39,242
It was great, like I was a technician
1926
00:59:39,242 --> 00:59:40,618
installing satellite dishes.
1927
00:59:41,452 --> 00:59:42,245
It was a great job.
1928
00:59:43,871 --> 00:59:46,457
But one thing about it
1929
00:59:46,457 --> 00:59:47,500
was I had a lot of freedom
1930
00:59:47,500 --> 00:59:48,626
and driving around by
1931
00:59:48,626 --> 00:59:50,003
myself all over the place,
1932
00:59:50,003 --> 00:59:50,545
you know, going from
1933
00:59:50,545 --> 00:59:51,629
this house to that house.
1934
00:59:52,922 --> 00:59:54,841
And I think it was about 90 days into it.
1935
00:59:55,216 --> 00:59:56,092
I hadn't been to a
1936
00:59:56,092 --> 00:59:57,468
meeting in like a week or two.
1937
00:59:58,303 --> 00:59:59,721
And I just had the
1938
00:59:59,721 --> 01:00:01,055
thought pop into my head, man.
1939
01:00:01,222 --> 01:00:02,890
I was actually right here on Kent Island.
1940
01:00:03,558 --> 01:00:05,685
And I was like, yeah, I wonder if they,
1941
01:00:06,477 --> 01:00:07,979
they probably got something right now.
1942
01:00:08,813 --> 01:00:09,689
And I hit them up.
1943
01:00:10,023 --> 01:00:11,316
It was like in the middle of the day.
1944
01:00:11,774 --> 01:00:14,110
And like, it just happened so quick.
1945
01:00:14,193 --> 01:00:15,486
Like I had that thought.
1946
01:00:15,987 --> 01:00:18,781
I texted them or called them or whatever.
1947
01:00:19,032 --> 01:00:19,657
And they were like,
1948
01:00:19,657 --> 01:00:20,825
yeah, I'm actually right here
1949
01:00:20,825 --> 01:00:21,659
next to where you are.
1950
01:00:21,659 --> 01:00:23,161
And it was like, bam, okay, there.
1951
01:00:23,161 --> 01:00:26,247
And then I had sniffed some more heroin.
1952
01:00:26,247 --> 01:00:27,540
And I was like, what the fuck?
1953
01:00:28,458 --> 01:00:29,792
You know, and then I was like, all right,
1954
01:00:29,792 --> 01:00:30,543
well, I guess I'll get
1955
01:00:30,543 --> 01:00:31,961
some weed and smoke some weed.
1956
01:00:31,961 --> 01:00:35,214
And then that went for like a month.
1957
01:00:36,716 --> 01:00:38,885
And then I went back to treatment.
1958
01:00:39,260 --> 01:00:42,138
The second time I initially, I, you know,
1959
01:00:43,222 --> 01:00:44,182
I just felt so bad.
1960
01:00:44,182 --> 01:00:45,516
I was like, what am I doing?
1961
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:46,017
Yeah.
1962
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:49,479
And I called the treatment center
1963
01:00:49,479 --> 01:00:51,773
and set it all up myself the second time.
1964
01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:54,150
Went back again, came,
1965
01:00:54,192 --> 01:00:55,318
same thing, you know,
1966
01:00:55,318 --> 01:00:57,362
did really well, came out all about
1967
01:00:57,695 --> 01:00:58,738
recovery and everything.
1968
01:00:59,322 --> 01:01:00,448
That's when I started
1969
01:01:00,448 --> 01:01:01,574
working in treatment.
1970
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:02,367
Mm-hmm.
1971
01:01:03,451 --> 01:01:06,204
And really liked that job.
1972
01:01:06,204 --> 01:01:07,663
You know, the people were great.
1973
01:01:07,663 --> 01:01:08,915
That's where I met George.
1974
01:01:11,084 --> 01:01:13,336
It was a really great time of my life.
1975
01:01:13,628 --> 01:01:14,462
You know, I wasn't
1976
01:01:14,462 --> 01:01:15,421
making a whole lot of money,
1977
01:01:15,421 --> 01:01:16,631
but like I felt good about
1978
01:01:16,631 --> 01:01:17,590
what I was doing, you know.
1979
01:01:18,383 --> 01:01:19,842
And then I think it was
1980
01:01:19,926 --> 01:01:22,762
another, like another 90 days.
1981
01:01:25,098 --> 01:01:26,557
I was working, doing a
1982
01:01:26,557 --> 01:01:27,892
job with a friend of mine.
1983
01:01:29,227 --> 01:01:31,396
And we were gonna paint a house.
1984
01:01:31,437 --> 01:01:32,313
It was a side job.
1985
01:01:33,189 --> 01:01:35,316
And it was an older
1986
01:01:35,316 --> 01:01:37,151
guy that had passed away.
1987
01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:39,612
And before we could paint the house,
1988
01:01:39,612 --> 01:01:40,780
part of our job was
1989
01:01:40,780 --> 01:01:42,073
to clear the house out,
1990
01:01:42,073 --> 01:01:42,949
like take stuff to
1991
01:01:42,949 --> 01:01:43,866
the dump and everything.
1992
01:01:44,909 --> 01:01:46,702
And he had these bags
1993
01:01:46,744 --> 01:01:48,121
of prescription bottles.
1994
01:01:48,454 --> 01:01:51,249
And of course I found some like codeine,
1995
01:01:51,499 --> 01:01:52,750
like Tylenol with codeine.
1996
01:01:53,793 --> 01:01:56,587
And I put it in my pocket
1997
01:01:57,296 --> 01:01:58,464
and took some that night
1998
01:01:58,464 --> 01:02:00,550
and like immediately was like,
1999
01:02:00,591 --> 01:02:02,260
what the fuck are you doing?
2000
01:02:03,511 --> 01:02:04,637
And I didn't tell anybody.
2001
01:02:04,929 --> 01:02:05,721
So I just kind of like
2002
01:02:05,721 --> 01:02:07,348
pretended like that didn't happen.
2003
01:02:08,558 --> 01:02:09,725
Went back to work, you know,
2004
01:02:09,725 --> 01:02:10,893
pretended like it didn't happen.
2005
01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:12,937
And then I didn't tell
2006
01:02:12,937 --> 01:02:14,522
anybody for like two years.
2007
01:02:14,981 --> 01:02:17,275
And I was doing step work with George.
2008
01:02:17,275 --> 01:02:18,151
And there's a particular
2009
01:02:18,151 --> 01:02:19,360
question in the step work
2010
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,904
where it's like, you tell your sponsor
2011
01:02:21,904 --> 01:02:23,656
like all the bad shit
2012
01:02:23,656 --> 01:02:24,574
you've done, you know.
2013
01:02:25,116 --> 01:02:25,950
And then there's like one
2014
01:02:25,950 --> 01:02:26,909
more question at the end.
2015
01:02:26,993 --> 01:02:28,411
It's like, is there anything else
2016
01:02:28,494 --> 01:02:29,579
that you're forgetting about?
2017
01:02:30,204 --> 01:02:31,080
And I remember I was
2018
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:31,789
sitting there with George
2019
01:02:31,789 --> 01:02:33,499
and I'm like, no, that's it.
2020
01:02:33,583 --> 01:02:34,250
You know, I really
2021
01:02:34,250 --> 01:02:35,585
couldn't think of anything else.
2022
01:02:35,918 --> 01:02:36,586
And I was driving
2023
01:02:36,586 --> 01:02:37,920
home from George's house
2024
01:02:38,212 --> 01:02:40,089
and that popped into my mind.
2025
01:02:40,631 --> 01:02:41,799
I called him and I was like, yeah,
2026
01:02:41,799 --> 01:02:43,009
actually there is something else.
2027
01:02:43,050 --> 01:02:45,052
I took this Tylenol with codeine.
2028
01:02:45,386 --> 01:02:46,971
It had been like two years prior.
2029
01:02:49,015 --> 01:02:49,515
And he was like, all
2030
01:02:49,515 --> 01:02:50,183
right, well, you know,
2031
01:02:50,183 --> 01:02:51,809
you gotta change your clean
2032
01:02:51,809 --> 01:02:53,519
date and tell your home group.
2033
01:02:54,854 --> 01:02:56,647
And I was like, oh, okay, is that it?
2034
01:02:56,647 --> 01:02:57,106
And he's like, yeah,
2035
01:02:57,106 --> 01:02:57,982
man, it was two years ago.
2036
01:02:57,982 --> 01:02:58,566
What are you gonna do?
2037
01:02:58,733 --> 01:02:59,108
Yeah.
2038
01:02:59,150 --> 01:02:59,901
You know, he's like,
2039
01:03:00,109 --> 01:03:00,943
just don't do it again.
2040
01:03:01,486 --> 01:03:02,695
I'm like, all right.
2041
01:03:02,737 --> 01:03:04,280
So I went and told my home group and
2042
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:05,239
changed my clean date
2043
01:03:05,907 --> 01:03:08,242
and yeah, just kept moving on.
2044
01:03:08,493 --> 01:03:08,784
Cool.
2045
01:03:08,993 --> 01:03:09,285
Yep.
2046
01:03:09,744 --> 01:03:11,329
And it's been all uphill since then.
2047
01:03:11,787 --> 01:03:12,538
Yeah, mostly.
2048
01:03:13,539 --> 01:03:14,999
I will admit since we're
2049
01:03:14,999 --> 01:03:16,167
talking about all this stuff
2050
01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:18,085
and most people know
2051
01:03:18,085 --> 01:03:19,462
anyway, I did have a drink,
2052
01:03:19,462 --> 01:03:20,379
couple of drinks over
2053
01:03:20,379 --> 01:03:22,423
the past, I don't know,
2054
01:03:22,465 --> 01:03:23,633
six months or so.
2055
01:03:23,799 --> 01:03:25,218
I think it was two different times.
2056
01:03:27,678 --> 01:03:30,264
But you know, other than that, yeah,
2057
01:03:30,681 --> 01:03:31,933
everything's been fine.
2058
01:03:31,974 --> 01:03:33,351
Didn't put you on a downhill.
2059
01:03:33,476 --> 01:03:34,852
Didn't put me on a downhill.
2060
01:03:35,269 --> 01:03:36,729
My fiance Jen did not
2061
01:03:36,729 --> 01:03:39,440
approve of it, which I understand.
2062
01:03:39,524 --> 01:03:39,815
Yeah.
2063
01:03:40,733 --> 01:03:42,109
But you know, it was
2064
01:03:43,819 --> 01:03:44,570
something that happened
2065
01:03:44,570 --> 01:03:45,696
and you know what I mean?
2066
01:03:45,738 --> 01:03:46,822
Just keep moving forward.
2067
01:03:46,989 --> 01:03:47,323
Yeah.
2068
01:03:47,657 --> 01:03:47,823
Yep.
2069
01:03:48,282 --> 01:03:48,658
Wow.
2070
01:03:49,825 --> 01:03:50,368
It's crazy.
2071
01:03:51,410 --> 01:03:52,578
Yeah, it is crazy.
2072
01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:55,039
But you know, I wish
2073
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:56,874
that I had experienced
2074
01:03:56,874 --> 01:03:59,544
or found out about, not found out,
2075
01:03:59,544 --> 01:04:00,753
I wish I had like dove
2076
01:04:00,753 --> 01:04:03,089
into recovery, you know,
2077
01:04:03,130 --> 01:04:05,716
earlier in my life, but I'm glad it
2078
01:04:05,716 --> 01:04:07,134
happened when it did.
2079
01:04:07,468 --> 01:04:08,844
Yeah, so one of the questions,
2080
01:04:09,178 --> 01:04:10,805
I think you probably answered this,
2081
01:04:10,805 --> 01:04:11,556
but one of the questions
2082
01:04:11,556 --> 01:04:12,515
I was gonna ask you is,
2083
01:04:13,015 --> 01:04:13,891
what's the hardest
2084
01:04:13,891 --> 01:04:15,601
decision you've ever had to make?
2085
01:04:15,893 --> 01:04:17,228
Would that be in the
2086
01:04:17,228 --> 01:04:19,647
vicinity of what you just described
2087
01:04:19,647 --> 01:04:21,566
or is there another hardest decision
2088
01:04:21,566 --> 01:04:22,441
you've ever had to make?
2089
01:04:23,818 --> 01:04:26,862
No, I think that's probably it, man.
2090
01:04:26,904 --> 01:04:27,363
Like--
2091
01:04:27,613 --> 01:04:29,073
Deciding to get it clean or?
2092
01:04:30,449 --> 01:04:32,660
I don't think it was like decide, yeah.
2093
01:04:32,827 --> 01:04:33,619
I mean, it definitely,
2094
01:04:33,828 --> 01:04:35,037
but if I really had to like
2095
01:04:35,037 --> 01:04:39,333
narrow it down, it was
2096
01:04:39,333 --> 01:04:40,710
like making the decision
2097
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:44,130
to go all in with a 12 step program,
2098
01:04:45,089 --> 01:04:46,799
which was N.A. for me.
2099
01:04:49,051 --> 01:04:50,845
You know, I remember like being in
2100
01:04:50,845 --> 01:04:52,221
treatment that first time
2101
01:04:52,263 --> 01:04:53,347
because when I went into
2102
01:04:53,347 --> 01:04:54,599
treatment the first time,
2103
01:04:55,266 --> 01:04:57,476
I had made up my mind
2104
01:04:57,476 --> 01:05:00,396
like, yeah, opiates, heroin,
2105
01:05:00,521 --> 01:05:02,690
that needs to go, but I'm
2106
01:05:02,690 --> 01:05:03,899
not gonna stop smoking weed
2107
01:05:03,899 --> 01:05:05,484
or drinking beer, I'm gonna
2108
01:05:05,484 --> 01:05:06,861
do those two things, you know?
2109
01:05:07,403 --> 01:05:10,573
That was my mindset going in, you know?
2110
01:05:10,573 --> 01:05:11,699
And of course I
2111
01:05:11,866 --> 01:05:13,326
quickly learned that like,
2112
01:05:14,243 --> 01:05:15,328
no bro, that's not
2113
01:05:15,328 --> 01:05:16,454
what we're recommending.
2114
01:05:16,454 --> 01:05:17,330
We're recommending you
2115
01:05:17,330 --> 01:05:19,081
don't do anything, no.
2116
01:05:19,457 --> 01:05:21,292
And like, not even do
2117
01:05:21,292 --> 01:05:22,460
you not do anything.
2118
01:05:23,628 --> 01:05:25,588
They preach like one
2119
01:05:25,588 --> 01:05:26,631
day at a time, you know?
2120
01:05:27,214 --> 01:05:28,299
It's not for the rest of your life,
2121
01:05:28,299 --> 01:05:29,925
it's just for the rest of today.
2122
01:05:30,676 --> 01:05:31,761
But they mean ever,
2123
01:05:31,844 --> 01:05:32,970
like that's what they mean.
2124
01:05:32,970 --> 01:05:35,640
Like you need to stop using all together.
2125
01:05:36,265 --> 01:05:38,934
And there is no amount of time
2126
01:05:39,018 --> 01:05:39,977
when you can start
2127
01:05:40,019 --> 01:05:41,354
drinking again, you know?
2128
01:05:41,729 --> 01:05:42,897
We recommend that you don't do it.
2129
01:05:44,273 --> 01:05:44,982
And that scared the
2130
01:05:44,982 --> 01:05:46,108
shit out of me, you know?
2131
01:05:46,108 --> 01:05:47,318
Like not being able to.
2132
01:05:47,318 --> 01:05:47,818
Yeah.
2133
01:05:48,778 --> 01:05:52,323
And I knew that if I went all in,
2134
01:05:53,324 --> 01:05:55,117
that I had to accept that and like,
2135
01:05:55,951 --> 01:05:57,787
you know, that's gonna be the way it is.
2136
01:05:59,413 --> 01:06:00,831
So yeah, I think that was
2137
01:06:00,831 --> 01:06:02,833
like the biggest decision.
2138
01:06:02,833 --> 01:06:04,669
I was in treatment and we
2139
01:06:04,669 --> 01:06:06,087
had groups throughout the day,
2140
01:06:06,087 --> 01:06:06,837
you know, you go to
2141
01:06:06,837 --> 01:06:07,713
these different groups,
2142
01:06:07,713 --> 01:06:09,298
it's like class, you know, go to,
2143
01:06:09,715 --> 01:06:10,591
they just call them groups.
2144
01:06:11,759 --> 01:06:15,805
And they have all this recovery material
2145
01:06:15,805 --> 01:06:16,764
everywhere, books and
2146
01:06:16,764 --> 01:06:17,890
pamphlets and stuff.
2147
01:06:18,891 --> 01:06:19,892
And there was an NA
2148
01:06:19,934 --> 01:06:22,019
pamphlet that was laying out
2149
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,689
in the, you know, common area.
2150
01:06:25,106 --> 01:06:26,774
And it was like in between groups one day
2151
01:06:26,774 --> 01:06:27,650
and I was just like,
2152
01:06:27,692 --> 01:06:29,026
you know, killing time.
2153
01:06:29,235 --> 01:06:31,237
And I'm reading this NA pamphlet.
2154
01:06:32,029 --> 01:06:32,905
And I think it was
2155
01:06:32,905 --> 01:06:34,073
called Who Is An Addict?
2156
01:06:34,115 --> 01:06:35,116
There's two different ones.
2157
01:06:35,116 --> 01:06:36,158
One's Who Is An Addict?
2158
01:06:36,158 --> 01:06:38,369
And one is called Are You An Addict?
2159
01:06:39,370 --> 01:06:41,664
I don't remember which one it was,
2160
01:06:41,664 --> 01:06:44,375
but it's just this short pamphlet
2161
01:06:44,375 --> 01:06:45,501
and it asks you these
2162
01:06:45,501 --> 01:06:46,377
different questions.
2163
01:06:46,377 --> 01:06:47,628
Like, have you ever done this?
2164
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:48,838
Has this ever happened to you?
2165
01:06:48,838 --> 01:06:49,714
Have you ever done this?
2166
01:06:50,214 --> 01:06:50,881
And you know, I read
2167
01:06:50,881 --> 01:06:52,341
through it and I was like, man,
2168
01:06:53,175 --> 01:06:55,010
I can't say no to like
2169
01:06:55,010 --> 01:06:56,554
any of these questions.
2170
01:06:57,304 --> 01:06:58,764
And it was just like in
2171
01:06:58,764 --> 01:07:00,099
that moment, I was like, man,
2172
01:07:00,141 --> 01:07:02,685
you know, I can't deny this.
2173
01:07:02,685 --> 01:07:06,188
Like I had this denial going on and like,
2174
01:07:07,314 --> 01:07:08,607
now I'm clear-minded
2175
01:07:08,607 --> 01:07:10,609
enough to not be able to hold on
2176
01:07:10,609 --> 01:07:12,027
to that denial anymore.
2177
01:07:12,570 --> 01:07:15,990
And that was like, all right, you know,
2178
01:07:17,074 --> 01:07:18,117
in those groups and
2179
01:07:18,117 --> 01:07:18,868
in meetings and stuff,
2180
01:07:18,868 --> 01:07:20,202
everybody says like, hi,
2181
01:07:20,202 --> 01:07:21,579
I'm Joe, I'm an addict.
2182
01:07:21,620 --> 01:07:22,663
I'm Mike, I'm an addict.
2183
01:07:22,663 --> 01:07:24,749
And for the first two weeks,
2184
01:07:24,749 --> 01:07:25,916
I was just like, hi, I'm Joe.
2185
01:07:26,250 --> 01:07:28,085
And I would not say I'm an addict
2186
01:07:28,085 --> 01:07:29,587
because I knew that that meant like,
2187
01:07:30,212 --> 01:07:31,046
you're admitting it,
2188
01:07:31,046 --> 01:07:32,006
you're accepting it.
2189
01:07:33,132 --> 01:07:34,550
But after I read that
2190
01:07:35,050 --> 01:07:37,762
pamphlet at that particular time,
2191
01:07:37,928 --> 01:07:39,722
I was like, I have to do it.
2192
01:07:40,639 --> 01:07:43,476
So that was a big, huge decision.
2193
01:07:44,310 --> 01:07:44,477
Yeah.
2194
01:07:45,561 --> 01:07:46,771
All right, so
2195
01:07:46,771 --> 01:07:48,022
switching gears a little bit.
2196
01:07:50,608 --> 01:07:51,567
You're a professional
2197
01:07:51,567 --> 01:07:53,152
musician and videographer.
2198
01:07:53,944 --> 01:07:57,531
What is it about videography
2199
01:07:58,157 --> 01:07:59,950
that draws you to videography?
2200
01:07:59,950 --> 01:08:01,660
What do you, why do you think you're
2201
01:08:01,660 --> 01:08:02,661
passionate about that?
2202
01:08:04,371 --> 01:08:06,207
Well, I definitely think
2203
01:08:06,207 --> 01:08:07,458
that cameras and lenses
2204
01:08:07,458 --> 01:08:09,084
and gear and stuff is cool.
2205
01:08:09,168 --> 01:08:09,627
I mean, there's
2206
01:08:09,627 --> 01:08:11,587
definitely a huge part of me
2207
01:08:11,587 --> 01:08:14,340
that's drawn to like gear
2208
01:08:14,423 --> 01:08:18,052
and like tools that do things.
2209
01:08:19,053 --> 01:08:22,973
So I think that was one of the things
2210
01:08:22,973 --> 01:08:24,558
that initially drew me to it.
2211
01:08:26,143 --> 01:08:27,269
Initially, I wanted to make
2212
01:08:27,311 --> 01:08:29,980
better videos for the band
2213
01:08:30,022 --> 01:08:31,857
and like music-related
2214
01:08:31,857 --> 01:08:33,526
videos to put on social media
2215
01:08:33,526 --> 01:08:34,944
and to try to get gigs and stuff.
2216
01:08:36,612 --> 01:08:37,988
And you know, some of the cell phones,
2217
01:08:37,988 --> 01:08:39,949
they weren't bad, but I wanted,
2218
01:08:40,741 --> 01:08:42,243
I saw stuff on YouTube and I'm like,
2219
01:08:42,284 --> 01:08:43,828
oh man, I can get a real camera.
2220
01:08:44,370 --> 01:08:44,620
Yeah.
2221
01:08:46,664 --> 01:08:48,749
So that's what initially drew me to it.
2222
01:08:48,749 --> 01:08:51,836
And then like, I mean, I
2223
01:08:51,836 --> 01:08:54,630
definitely have an artsy element
2224
01:08:55,089 --> 01:08:55,756
to me.
2225
01:08:57,716 --> 01:08:59,802
I have a desire to,
2226
01:09:01,512 --> 01:09:02,555
the aesthetics of
2227
01:09:02,555 --> 01:09:05,266
things is attractive to me.
2228
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:07,226
Yeah, you have a very
2229
01:09:09,103 --> 01:09:11,355
particular vision of...
2230
01:09:12,022 --> 01:09:13,148
Yeah, I mean, I guess I
2231
01:09:13,148 --> 01:09:14,275
would put it that way.
2232
01:09:15,109 --> 01:09:16,735
I don't know, I see things like,
2233
01:09:17,486 --> 01:09:18,445
just like I was saying,
2234
01:09:18,779 --> 01:09:20,197
I really enjoy watching
2235
01:09:20,197 --> 01:09:21,448
a great guitar player.
2236
01:09:22,199 --> 01:09:23,576
Even if I see a room,
2237
01:09:24,118 --> 01:09:25,452
like I know this sounds kind of weird,
2238
01:09:25,452 --> 01:09:27,454
but like a room where I
2239
01:09:27,454 --> 01:09:28,914
like the aesthetics of it,
2240
01:09:28,914 --> 01:09:29,748
like how it's like
2241
01:09:29,748 --> 01:09:31,250
decorated and put together,
2242
01:09:31,792 --> 01:09:32,710
I enjoy that.
2243
01:09:32,710 --> 01:09:34,253
And I'm like, man, that's awesome.
2244
01:09:34,670 --> 01:09:37,673
I wish I could, like, how do you do that?
2245
01:09:37,715 --> 01:09:40,175
How do you know to put
2246
01:09:40,175 --> 01:09:41,427
that bowl right there
2247
01:09:41,427 --> 01:09:42,761
and like turn the call, like,
2248
01:09:43,846 --> 01:09:45,180
I mean, it's not just, you know,
2249
01:09:46,765 --> 01:09:47,766
it's only if I really
2250
01:09:47,766 --> 01:09:48,893
liked the way it looks,
2251
01:09:49,310 --> 01:09:51,979
then I'm like drawn to it.
2252
01:09:53,397 --> 01:09:55,524
And after I started
2253
01:09:55,524 --> 01:09:56,817
messing around with the camera
2254
01:09:56,817 --> 01:10:00,738
and realizing how some of
2255
01:10:00,738 --> 01:10:03,282
those looks were achieved,
2256
01:10:03,616 --> 01:10:05,284
like, oh, you need a lens
2257
01:10:05,284 --> 01:10:06,619
with a wide open aperture
2258
01:10:06,619 --> 01:10:08,037
to make the background blurry.
2259
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,289
Okay, that's how that works.
2260
01:10:12,082 --> 01:10:14,543
Then I realized, then when I'm like,
2261
01:10:15,169 --> 01:10:16,462
I can create an image
2262
01:10:16,462 --> 01:10:18,380
that looks like that,
2263
01:10:19,256 --> 01:10:21,175
that was just cool to me, you know?
2264
01:10:21,175 --> 01:10:22,551
It's like, I really,
2265
01:10:23,552 --> 01:10:25,971
it was a whole new interesting hobby
2266
01:10:26,847 --> 01:10:28,474
that was not only functional,
2267
01:10:29,808 --> 01:10:31,602
but I was like, I could
2268
01:10:31,602 --> 01:10:33,437
learn how to do it, you know?
2269
01:10:33,562 --> 01:10:34,939
I mean, YouTube is an
2270
01:10:34,980 --> 01:10:37,441
incredible resource for that.
2271
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,153
So yeah, I mean, just
2272
01:10:41,153 --> 01:10:41,862
the fact that I like,
2273
01:10:42,112 --> 01:10:45,157
I could learn while I'm like chilling,
2274
01:10:45,157 --> 01:10:46,825
laying down, watching TV,
2275
01:10:47,326 --> 01:10:48,911
which is just YouTube
2276
01:10:48,911 --> 01:10:51,538
for me, mainly, you know?
2277
01:10:51,538 --> 01:10:52,748
And then I could apply that
2278
01:10:52,748 --> 01:10:54,625
stuff when I was, you know,
2279
01:10:54,625 --> 01:10:55,793
not laying down, chilling,
2280
01:10:55,793 --> 01:10:57,211
like that was really cool too.
2281
01:10:57,252 --> 01:10:58,921
I didn't have to go sit in a class, like,
2282
01:10:58,921 --> 01:11:00,965
you just peruse YouTube
2283
01:11:00,965 --> 01:11:03,550
and learn all these different things
2284
01:11:03,550 --> 01:11:05,219
about cameras and lenses.
2285
01:11:05,469 --> 01:11:08,389
And that was really cool.
2286
01:11:09,473 --> 01:11:11,183
And I applied it to
2287
01:11:11,225 --> 01:11:16,355
making videos for music myself
2288
01:11:16,355 --> 01:11:17,314
or the band.
2289
01:11:17,648 --> 01:11:20,234
I already had, I had learned a
2290
01:11:20,234 --> 01:11:21,860
lot about like home recording
2291
01:11:21,860 --> 01:11:23,570
and microphones and stuff
2292
01:11:23,570 --> 01:11:25,906
and mixing years before,
2293
01:11:26,740 --> 01:11:27,658
through YouTube.
2294
01:11:29,410 --> 01:11:29,910
Excuse me.
2295
01:11:30,119 --> 01:11:31,161
So I could apply
2296
01:11:31,161 --> 01:11:32,287
those two things together.
2297
01:11:34,248 --> 01:11:37,459
I mean, I think I've always appreciated
2298
01:11:38,961 --> 01:11:40,254
really good photography.
2299
01:11:40,713 --> 01:11:42,381
I guess I just never kind of like,
2300
01:11:45,551 --> 01:11:46,176
I don't know, like
2301
01:11:46,176 --> 01:11:48,971
consciously was aware that I did.
2302
01:11:49,096 --> 01:11:49,513
Okay. You know?
2303
01:11:49,763 --> 01:11:51,056
I don't know if that makes sense, but.
2304
01:11:51,348 --> 01:11:52,016
You think so.
2305
01:11:52,641 --> 01:11:54,351
So do you think part of it is like
2306
01:11:54,518 --> 01:11:56,437
that you like to have control over?
2307
01:11:56,979 --> 01:11:57,521
Is that where you're
2308
01:11:57,521 --> 01:11:58,355
trying to lead me here?
2309
01:11:59,648 --> 01:12:01,025
Yeah, I mean, for sure, man.
2310
01:12:02,026 --> 01:12:04,028
Cause you get to control the environment.
2311
01:12:04,486 --> 01:12:05,195
Yeah, yeah.
2312
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:09,283
I mean, I think, I mean,
2313
01:12:09,450 --> 01:12:11,118
yeah, you could say that.
2314
01:12:11,243 --> 01:12:12,077
Okay, moving on.
2315
01:12:13,829 --> 01:12:15,372
Yeah, there's something
2316
01:12:15,372 --> 01:12:17,791
that makes you feel good
2317
01:12:18,250 --> 01:12:20,919
when you, you know,
2318
01:12:21,462 --> 01:12:24,131
orchestrate something entirely yourself
2319
01:12:24,131 --> 01:12:26,133
and then the end result is like what
2320
01:12:26,133 --> 01:12:27,217
you're trying to get.
2321
01:12:27,259 --> 01:12:30,763
Like that is, that makes you feel good.
2322
01:12:30,846 --> 01:12:32,347
Yeah. Makes me feel good anyway.
2323
01:12:32,765 --> 01:12:33,390
Yeah, it's kind of
2324
01:12:33,390 --> 01:12:34,475
like building something.
2325
01:12:34,516 --> 01:12:35,309
Yeah, right.
2326
01:12:35,392 --> 01:12:36,852
I mean, it's similar to that, right?
2327
01:12:36,852 --> 01:12:38,479
Yeah, you get a product at the end.
2328
01:12:38,729 --> 01:12:39,646
Yep. Yeah.
2329
01:12:39,980 --> 01:12:42,232
So what are your priorities in life?
2330
01:12:42,775 --> 01:12:44,109
What are my priorities in life?
2331
01:12:44,401 --> 01:12:46,570
Well, we have a baby coming
2332
01:12:46,570 --> 01:12:49,907
in the beginning of October, October 2nd.
2333
01:12:50,324 --> 01:12:51,784
So right now, my
2334
01:12:51,784 --> 01:12:54,036
priorities are making sure
2335
01:12:54,078 --> 01:12:58,916
that like I am financially ready for that
2336
01:12:59,458 --> 01:13:00,751
and that, you know, we
2337
01:13:00,751 --> 01:13:02,377
have everything we need
2338
01:13:02,377 --> 01:13:03,629
and just like life in
2339
01:13:03,629 --> 01:13:05,798
general is as stable as possible
2340
01:13:08,425 --> 01:13:11,053
because, yeah, I mean,
2341
01:13:11,136 --> 01:13:12,346
a baby is a huge deal.
2342
01:13:13,013 --> 01:13:14,139
And the last time I had
2343
01:13:14,181 --> 01:13:16,892
a baby was 12 years ago.
2344
01:13:17,476 --> 01:13:19,478
So it's quite a big gap there.
2345
01:13:21,730 --> 01:13:22,106
Yeah, man.
2346
01:13:22,606 --> 01:13:23,565
Along those same lines,
2347
01:13:24,024 --> 01:13:26,318
like trying to focus on,
2348
01:13:27,861 --> 01:13:29,238
so lately I'm trying
2349
01:13:29,238 --> 01:13:31,532
to like keep motivation
2350
01:13:31,532 --> 01:13:34,326
to continue to develop
2351
01:13:34,326 --> 01:13:36,662
my business and my craft
2352
01:13:36,662 --> 01:13:39,414
and, you know, not get lazy with it.
2353
01:13:41,834 --> 01:13:45,003
And also for the past year,
2354
01:13:45,629 --> 01:13:48,382
I've been intending on trying to develop
2355
01:13:48,382 --> 01:13:49,758
like a new source of
2356
01:13:49,758 --> 01:13:52,010
income, even if it's not very big,
2357
01:13:52,052 --> 01:13:53,387
just like some kind of side thing.
2358
01:13:53,846 --> 01:13:54,930
Cause that's one of the coolest things
2359
01:13:54,930 --> 01:13:55,931
about working for yourself
2360
01:13:55,931 --> 01:13:57,182
is like, you can do that.
2361
01:13:57,182 --> 01:13:57,933
I mean, you can do that if
2362
01:13:57,933 --> 01:13:58,892
you don't work for yourself,
2363
01:13:58,892 --> 01:14:00,769
but if you work for yourself,
2364
01:14:00,769 --> 01:14:03,188
you can schedule your own
2365
01:14:03,188 --> 01:14:05,065
time to fit it in wherever
2366
01:14:05,065 --> 01:14:07,359
you want or wherever it fits in.
2367
01:14:07,943 --> 01:14:08,777
You don't have like an
2368
01:14:08,819 --> 01:14:09,945
eight hour chunk of your day
2369
01:14:09,945 --> 01:14:10,279
where you're like,
2370
01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:11,780
no, I can't do anything
2371
01:14:11,780 --> 01:14:12,489
during that period of
2372
01:14:12,489 --> 01:14:13,866
time every single weekday.
2373
01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:14,533
Yeah.
2374
01:14:14,741 --> 01:14:16,451
So yeah, I've really
2375
01:14:16,451 --> 01:14:17,911
been putting more thought,
2376
01:14:17,911 --> 01:14:21,039
haven't like started any new project,
2377
01:14:21,081 --> 01:14:23,292
but I've been doing some research
2378
01:14:23,292 --> 01:14:26,253
and like spinning the wheels in my mind,
2379
01:14:26,628 --> 01:14:29,256
trying to decide like what is the best,
2380
01:14:31,008 --> 01:14:32,759
you know, route to go down for like
2381
01:14:32,759 --> 01:14:35,596
another side revenue.
2382
01:14:35,637 --> 01:14:36,263
You wanna share any
2383
01:14:36,263 --> 01:14:37,181
of your ideas with us?
2384
01:14:37,222 --> 01:14:37,806
Or do you not?
2385
01:14:37,848 --> 01:14:38,765
Yeah, I mean, I've talked about that.
2386
01:14:38,765 --> 01:14:39,933
I think I've mentioned it on here.
2387
01:14:39,933 --> 01:14:41,977
Like the biggest one is
2388
01:14:42,936 --> 01:14:44,479
print on demand t-shirts,
2389
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:46,023
which is something that I
2390
01:14:46,023 --> 01:14:47,691
think I could probably do.
2391
01:14:47,733 --> 01:14:49,776
I just need to get started.
2392
01:14:49,818 --> 01:14:50,694
I just need to pick a
2393
01:14:50,694 --> 01:14:53,530
time and just start.
2394
01:14:53,989 --> 01:14:55,657
Because I know that once I start,
2395
01:14:55,657 --> 01:14:58,327
then I'll start to get that ball rolling.
2396
01:14:58,327 --> 01:14:58,660
Yeah.
2397
01:14:59,620 --> 01:14:59,828
Yeah.
2398
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:01,205
And you're gonna make like
2399
01:15:01,538 --> 01:15:03,123
any particular type of t-shirt?
2400
01:15:04,750 --> 01:15:06,335
I'm gonna, yeah, I told
2401
01:15:06,335 --> 01:15:07,336
you about this the other day.
2402
01:15:09,129 --> 01:15:10,672
Yeah, I'm gonna, I really don't,
2403
01:15:10,714 --> 01:15:11,882
I eventually would
2404
01:15:11,882 --> 01:15:13,717
love to make like t-shirts
2405
01:15:13,717 --> 01:15:15,219
that I would wear for myself.
2406
01:15:15,677 --> 01:15:17,262
And I might find that,
2407
01:15:17,304 --> 01:15:19,890
because there's different thoughts,
2408
01:15:19,890 --> 01:15:22,601
but like some sources say,
2409
01:15:23,101 --> 01:15:25,479
pick an extremely small niche,
2410
01:15:25,979 --> 01:15:28,315
which is something that I, you know,
2411
01:15:28,565 --> 01:15:30,067
I tend to be drawn
2412
01:15:30,067 --> 01:15:31,985
towards extremely small niches
2413
01:15:32,819 --> 01:15:34,154
and focus on that.
2414
01:15:35,072 --> 01:15:36,281
But I've also just
2415
01:15:36,281 --> 01:15:37,783
seen like so many of these
2416
01:15:37,866 --> 01:15:39,910
just dumb t-shirts, you know,
2417
01:15:40,619 --> 01:15:43,080
Labradoodle Mom or, you know,
2418
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:46,667
some kind of ridiculous Trump t-shirt
2419
01:15:47,292 --> 01:15:48,877
I told you yesterday,
2420
01:15:48,877 --> 01:15:50,254
I saw one that looked like
2421
01:15:50,462 --> 01:15:52,089
the Dunkin Donuts wording,
2422
01:15:52,089 --> 01:15:55,175
but it said, "Drunken Grown Ups."
2423
01:15:55,676 --> 01:15:56,885
And I thought to myself like,
2424
01:15:56,885 --> 01:15:57,970
that is the stupidest
2425
01:15:57,970 --> 01:15:59,012
shirt I've ever seen.
2426
01:15:59,012 --> 01:15:59,680
Someone paid for it.
2427
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:00,806
Someone paid for it.
2428
01:16:01,139 --> 01:16:03,684
I saw one of those dumb shirts in
2429
01:16:04,059 --> 01:16:05,352
Rehoboth the other day,
2430
01:16:05,435 --> 01:16:08,063
said PETA, People Eating Tasty Animals.
2431
01:16:08,563 --> 01:16:09,189
And you think about
2432
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:10,691
all those dumb shirts on,
2433
01:16:11,525 --> 01:16:12,359
in Ocean City on the
2434
01:16:12,442 --> 01:16:14,194
floor, people buy that stuff.
2435
01:16:14,736 --> 01:16:15,612
And it's like, I want
2436
01:16:15,612 --> 01:16:16,697
to capitalize on that.
2437
01:16:16,697 --> 01:16:16,947
Yeah.
2438
01:16:16,947 --> 01:16:17,447
You know?
2439
01:16:17,739 --> 01:16:18,115
Okay.
2440
01:16:18,573 --> 01:16:20,784
So I think when I do start,
2441
01:16:21,034 --> 01:16:21,785
I'm probably going to
2442
01:16:21,785 --> 01:16:23,120
make something really dumb
2443
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:24,329
that I would never wear,
2444
01:16:24,329 --> 01:16:26,123
like a haul that says, you
2445
01:16:26,123 --> 01:16:27,749
know, Yorkie Mom or something.
2446
01:16:29,293 --> 01:16:29,543
Yeah.
2447
01:16:29,543 --> 01:16:29,876
Something like that.
2448
01:16:30,002 --> 01:16:30,877
Okay, cool.
2449
01:16:31,545 --> 01:16:32,379
So if,
2450
01:16:34,381 --> 01:16:35,465
so your priorities
2451
01:16:35,465 --> 01:16:36,842
are your baby right now.
2452
01:16:38,677 --> 01:16:39,803
Yeah, and my son too.
2453
01:16:39,803 --> 01:16:40,721
I mean, my son is 12.
2454
01:16:41,972 --> 01:16:43,473
He's got a million things going on.
2455
01:16:44,433 --> 01:16:46,226
You know, so just trying to
2456
01:16:46,226 --> 01:16:47,769
stay on top of all that stuff.
2457
01:16:49,062 --> 01:16:50,147
School's coming up.
2458
01:16:50,856 --> 01:16:53,108
He's got opportunities to play on two
2459
01:16:53,108 --> 01:16:54,943
different travel teams,
2460
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,447
a new club baseball team
2461
01:16:58,447 --> 01:17:01,366
and club soccer for the fall.
2462
01:17:01,366 --> 01:17:03,744
And we need to make
2463
01:17:03,744 --> 01:17:05,746
decisions on that very soon.
2464
01:17:05,787 --> 01:17:07,456
So yeah, that's something
2465
01:17:07,456 --> 01:17:08,582
else that's kind of like
2466
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:10,834
going on at the moment.
2467
01:17:11,168 --> 01:17:11,376
Okay.
2468
01:17:11,835 --> 01:17:12,252
And then normally it would
2469
01:17:12,252 --> 01:17:13,879
be like a priority for you.
2470
01:17:14,338 --> 01:17:14,546
Yeah.
2471
01:17:14,546 --> 01:17:14,755
Yeah.
2472
01:17:15,130 --> 01:17:15,464
Okay.
2473
01:17:16,048 --> 01:17:18,759
If money weren't an issue,
2474
01:17:19,843 --> 01:17:21,011
how would you spend your,
2475
01:17:22,304 --> 01:17:23,472
how would you spend your days?
2476
01:17:23,722 --> 01:17:25,307
If money wasn't an issue.
2477
01:17:25,390 --> 01:17:25,724
Yeah.
2478
01:17:26,933 --> 01:17:28,727
I love to think about
2479
01:17:28,727 --> 01:17:30,645
that, but I also hate it.
2480
01:17:31,897 --> 01:17:33,106
Is there, I guess maybe a
2481
01:17:33,106 --> 01:17:34,483
better question would be like,
2482
01:17:35,233 --> 01:17:36,526
are there any other
2483
01:17:37,444 --> 01:17:40,906
passions you have that you...
2484
01:17:40,947 --> 01:17:42,074
If money wasn't an
2485
01:17:42,074 --> 01:17:43,742
issue, I would probably,
2486
01:17:44,659 --> 01:17:46,912
I'd buy an amazing house.
2487
01:17:47,329 --> 01:17:48,538
I'd probably buy at
2488
01:17:48,538 --> 01:17:49,456
least a couple of cars
2489
01:17:49,498 --> 01:17:52,751
because I love driving in a nice vehicle.
2490
01:17:53,502 --> 01:17:54,836
And then I'd probably do
2491
01:17:54,836 --> 01:17:56,004
some awesome traveling.
2492
01:17:56,296 --> 01:17:57,756
Okay, yeah, you kind of answered that.
2493
01:17:57,798 --> 01:17:59,174
Yeah, I would, I'd
2494
01:17:59,174 --> 01:18:01,218
probably go to like a Bermuda type
2495
01:18:01,218 --> 01:18:02,469
place first and just chill on
2496
01:18:02,469 --> 01:18:03,970
the beach for a couple weeks.
2497
01:18:04,012 --> 01:18:04,763
Okay, do you think you'd
2498
01:18:04,763 --> 01:18:05,889
get bored of that eventually?
2499
01:18:05,931 --> 01:18:08,016
Oh yeah, I get bored of things.
2500
01:18:08,475 --> 01:18:10,519
I would, I'd probably spend my time
2501
01:18:10,519 --> 01:18:11,353
chilling on the beach,
2502
01:18:11,353 --> 01:18:13,271
like dreaming up all kinds of
2503
01:18:13,271 --> 01:18:14,689
other crazy stuff I could do.
2504
01:18:15,315 --> 01:18:17,234
Whether it's, I wouldn't,
2505
01:18:17,859 --> 01:18:20,112
I probably would do
2506
01:18:20,112 --> 01:18:21,446
some kind of business,
2507
01:18:22,197 --> 01:18:24,491
something that maybe
2508
01:18:24,491 --> 01:18:26,618
requires some kind of capital.
2509
01:18:27,744 --> 01:18:29,037
I lose so high kind of thing.
2510
01:18:30,038 --> 01:18:31,456
Well, I just mean like,
2511
01:18:34,084 --> 01:18:37,462
I'd love to have a photography video.
2512
01:18:37,504 --> 01:18:39,548
To have a studio of some kind.
2513
01:18:40,841 --> 01:18:42,717
Somewhere where I can
2514
01:18:42,717 --> 01:18:44,386
like leave stuff set up and
2515
01:18:46,263 --> 01:18:47,222
do all kinds of
2516
01:18:47,222 --> 01:18:49,266
different types of portraits
2517
01:18:49,266 --> 01:18:49,850
and mess with
2518
01:18:49,850 --> 01:18:52,060
lighting and shoot this show
2519
01:18:52,060 --> 01:18:54,271
and leave it set up and all that,
2520
01:18:54,271 --> 01:18:57,649
like make the perfect, the shift set,
2521
01:18:58,984 --> 01:19:01,361
have all matching
2522
01:19:01,361 --> 01:19:03,029
cameras and just make it
2523
01:19:03,029 --> 01:19:05,282
like as awesome as it possibly can be.
2524
01:19:05,657 --> 01:19:06,366
So you wouldn't go
2525
01:19:06,366 --> 01:19:08,160
off into another realm.
2526
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:09,828
You feel like you're
2527
01:19:09,828 --> 01:19:11,997
kind of doing what you,
2528
01:19:12,038 --> 01:19:13,081
Oh yeah, I would
2529
01:19:13,165 --> 01:19:15,000
continue with videography
2530
01:19:15,459 --> 01:19:16,960
and photography for sure.
2531
01:19:17,085 --> 01:19:19,337
Okay, you think you'd still play music?
2532
01:19:19,713 --> 01:19:20,922
I probably would, but
2533
01:19:20,922 --> 01:19:22,090
probably not as much.
2534
01:19:22,090 --> 01:19:24,050
I'd probably, like right now in the,
2535
01:19:24,134 --> 01:19:24,468
I mean it's
2536
01:19:24,468 --> 01:19:25,844
summertime, so I'm playing more,
2537
01:19:25,844 --> 01:19:27,888
but I'd probably do like
2538
01:19:28,388 --> 01:19:29,890
one gig every two weeks.
2539
01:19:30,098 --> 01:19:30,307
Okay.
2540
01:19:30,974 --> 01:19:33,435
Maybe every two weeks,
2541
01:19:33,477 --> 01:19:35,479
like two gigs in a weekend,
2542
01:19:35,562 --> 01:19:36,813
like something like that.
2543
01:19:38,398 --> 01:19:41,193
But yeah, man, I would like,
2544
01:19:42,444 --> 01:19:44,738
I'd probably dive into the videography.
2545
01:19:44,738 --> 01:19:45,447
I'd probably try to
2546
01:19:45,447 --> 01:19:46,656
make a movie or something.
2547
01:19:46,740 --> 01:19:47,282
Oh, that'd be cool.
2548
01:19:47,282 --> 01:19:49,493
And get like an awesome camera and
2549
01:19:50,660 --> 01:19:52,621
all the lighting and shit that I need.
2550
01:19:53,622 --> 01:19:56,166
My brain would be like
2551
01:19:56,791 --> 01:19:57,751
a hundred miles an hour
2552
01:19:58,210 --> 01:20:00,337
if money wasn't an issue.
2553
01:20:00,378 --> 01:20:01,296
I'd be dreaming of all
2554
01:20:01,296 --> 01:20:02,339
kinds of shit I could do.
2555
01:20:02,756 --> 01:20:03,924
Yeah, okay.
2556
01:20:04,049 --> 01:20:04,341
Yeah.
2557
01:20:04,841 --> 01:20:05,258
Cool.
2558
01:20:05,717 --> 01:20:06,218
Wait, are you gonna
2559
01:20:06,218 --> 01:20:06,968
give me a lot of money?
2560
01:20:07,552 --> 01:20:08,470
Is that where you're going with this?
2561
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:09,095
Yeah.
2562
01:20:09,221 --> 01:20:09,638
You're gonna give me
2563
01:20:09,638 --> 01:20:10,388
all the money I need?
2564
01:20:10,722 --> 01:20:11,181
Yeah.
2565
01:20:11,223 --> 01:20:12,015
Do whatever I want?
2566
01:20:12,224 --> 01:20:13,058
I'm gonna have all my money.
2567
01:20:13,183 --> 01:20:13,725
You still wouldn't be
2568
01:20:13,725 --> 01:20:15,018
able to do much though.
2569
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,855
But so when you got
2570
01:20:18,855 --> 01:20:20,732
into music as a wee laddie,
2571
01:20:21,691 --> 01:20:24,361
did you, what was your, like,
2572
01:20:24,361 --> 01:20:25,862
where you, did you start a band?
2573
01:20:25,862 --> 01:20:27,197
Did you do, when did you
2574
01:20:27,197 --> 01:20:28,240
figure out you could sing?
2575
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:29,157
All that kind of stuff.
2576
01:20:30,158 --> 01:20:32,077
This is kind of funny.
2577
01:20:32,202 --> 01:20:35,580
When I was in probably middle school,
2578
01:20:36,039 --> 01:20:38,083
back when we only had land lines and
2579
01:20:38,083 --> 01:20:39,334
there were no cell phones,
2580
01:20:40,126 --> 01:20:41,044
and we had like an
2581
01:20:41,086 --> 01:20:43,171
answering machine at the house,
2582
01:20:44,673 --> 01:20:47,050
I would call, I thought I could say,
2583
01:20:47,050 --> 01:20:47,759
I felt like I was
2584
01:20:47,759 --> 01:20:49,344
like, I think I can say,
2585
01:20:49,344 --> 01:20:50,011
I think I have a pretty
2586
01:20:50,011 --> 01:20:51,096
decent voice, you know,
2587
01:20:51,137 --> 01:20:52,472
singing to myself and stuff.
2588
01:20:53,223 --> 01:20:55,141
But I was still very scared to like sing
2589
01:20:55,141 --> 01:20:56,226
in front of anyone else
2590
01:20:56,226 --> 01:20:57,060
or like let them hear it.
2591
01:20:57,602 --> 01:20:59,771
So I would call, I pick up
2592
01:20:59,771 --> 01:21:01,106
the landline at the house,
2593
01:21:01,314 --> 01:21:03,233
I'd call the house
2594
01:21:03,233 --> 01:21:05,193
number to get the voicemail.
2595
01:21:05,735 --> 01:21:08,071
And then sing into the voicemail.
2596
01:21:08,238 --> 01:21:10,240
And then listen back to it, yeah.
2597
01:21:10,699 --> 01:21:11,283
Okay.
2598
01:21:11,408 --> 01:21:12,367
All right, that's pretty good.
2599
01:21:12,909 --> 01:21:17,330
And then I remember I had
2600
01:21:17,497 --> 01:21:19,416
like one of my first girlfriends,
2601
01:21:19,666 --> 01:21:21,793
I was very nervous, but I
2602
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:23,878
sang to her over the phone.
2603
01:21:24,838 --> 01:21:25,589
Just straight singing?
2604
01:21:26,172 --> 01:21:27,632
Yeah, I like made something up.
2605
01:21:28,049 --> 01:21:28,383
Okay.
2606
01:21:28,967 --> 01:21:30,635
It wasn't a song, I just like made
2607
01:21:31,052 --> 01:21:32,512
something up, sang it.
2608
01:21:33,179 --> 01:21:34,014
And I remember her being
2609
01:21:34,014 --> 01:21:35,849
like, wow, that was really good.
2610
01:21:36,182 --> 01:21:37,893
And I think she was being honest.
2611
01:21:38,435 --> 01:21:39,519
And I'm like, all right, cool.
2612
01:21:41,771 --> 01:21:43,648
And so yeah, I kinda,
2613
01:21:44,899 --> 01:21:46,234
and then after when I got
2614
01:21:46,234 --> 01:21:49,738
a guitar in my senior year,
2615
01:21:50,530 --> 01:21:52,532
I did start singing
2616
01:21:52,782 --> 01:21:54,200
while playing the guitar
2617
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,578
and like around my parents and stuff.
2618
01:21:57,037 --> 01:21:59,914
So when I was younger, my mom would sing
2619
01:21:59,914 --> 01:22:01,541
and my mom can sing pretty decent.
2620
01:22:01,625 --> 01:22:03,752
She's got a pretty decent voice,
2621
01:22:05,962 --> 01:22:06,880
better with some things.
2622
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:08,089
And she's never sang in
2623
01:22:08,089 --> 01:22:09,090
front of a whole bunch of people,
2624
01:22:09,090 --> 01:22:09,841
but like she'd sing
2625
01:22:09,841 --> 01:22:11,134
around the house and stuff.
2626
01:22:11,593 --> 01:22:13,511
And I knew, I could tell like,
2627
01:22:14,763 --> 01:22:15,639
that's pretty close to
2628
01:22:15,639 --> 01:22:17,098
what we're listening to.
2629
01:22:17,182 --> 01:22:17,557
You know what I mean?
2630
01:22:17,849 --> 01:22:19,893
She doesn't sound bad.
2631
01:22:22,604 --> 01:22:24,189
So, you know, I heard that
2632
01:22:24,189 --> 01:22:25,148
and like I knew she
2633
01:22:25,148 --> 01:22:26,399
could sing pretty decent,
2634
01:22:28,068 --> 01:22:29,319
but it's still, man, you
2635
01:22:29,319 --> 01:22:30,487
know, I just like anything.
2636
01:22:30,487 --> 01:22:32,072
It took me a long time to like,
2637
01:22:33,031 --> 01:22:34,282
I remember when I first
2638
01:22:34,282 --> 01:22:36,618
started playing like gigs and stuff
2639
01:22:36,618 --> 01:22:38,411
and my mom would come, she
2640
01:22:38,411 --> 01:22:40,622
would be like, sing it, sing,
2641
01:22:40,664 --> 01:22:42,332
like don't hold back,
2642
01:22:42,332 --> 01:22:43,541
like, cause I'd be kind of
2643
01:22:43,541 --> 01:22:44,709
holding back a little bit.
2644
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:45,043
Yeah.
2645
01:22:46,169 --> 01:22:47,295
But it takes you a while
2646
01:22:47,295 --> 01:22:49,255
to like find that voice.
2647
01:22:49,255 --> 01:22:50,048
You know what I mean?
2648
01:22:50,256 --> 01:22:51,174
Cause you're kind of
2649
01:22:51,174 --> 01:22:52,592
scared to really belt it out.
2650
01:22:53,009 --> 01:22:54,010
Which is like, until you
2651
01:22:54,010 --> 01:22:55,804
do, you never really are,
2652
01:22:56,763 --> 01:22:58,390
you're always going to be a bad singer
2653
01:22:58,556 --> 01:22:59,766
till you just go for it.
2654
01:22:59,766 --> 01:23:00,934
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
2655
01:23:00,975 --> 01:23:02,268
Or not a bad singer, but like,
2656
01:23:02,394 --> 01:23:04,229
Yeah, and I mean, I know,
2657
01:23:04,270 --> 01:23:05,647
I'm sure you know what I'm talking about,
2658
01:23:05,647 --> 01:23:07,440
but like once you decide like, okay,
2659
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:08,900
what cover songs am I going to play?
2660
01:23:09,234 --> 01:23:10,777
And then you're like, all right, well,
2661
01:23:11,194 --> 01:23:13,238
when this line comes, like,
2662
01:23:13,238 --> 01:23:14,280
do I sound better when I
2663
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:15,990
sing it like this or like this?
2664
01:23:16,783 --> 01:23:18,702
Where does my voice hit it right?
2665
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,579
So then like, you know, for several gigs,
2666
01:23:21,579 --> 01:23:22,914
you're like trying different things.
2667
01:23:22,914 --> 01:23:23,498
And then you're like,
2668
01:23:23,540 --> 01:23:24,708
okay, all right, right there.
2669
01:23:24,708 --> 01:23:25,542
That's where I need to
2670
01:23:25,542 --> 01:23:27,210
hit that word each time.
2671
01:23:27,919 --> 01:23:29,421
You know, but then after a while,
2672
01:23:29,421 --> 01:23:30,380
you kind of get bored with
2673
01:23:30,380 --> 01:23:31,881
like singing it the exact same
2674
01:23:31,881 --> 01:23:33,842
way. So you like try different things.
2675
01:23:33,842 --> 01:23:35,301
And then you're, you
2676
01:23:35,301 --> 01:23:36,720
kind of realize like,
2677
01:23:38,138 --> 01:23:39,514
what you can do and what
2678
01:23:39,514 --> 01:23:41,015
you can't do, you know?
2679
01:23:41,015 --> 01:23:43,143
Yeah. And there's like parts that you,
2680
01:23:44,686 --> 01:23:46,020
that you don't, you
2681
01:23:46,020 --> 01:23:47,313
don't ever really know
2682
01:23:47,355 --> 01:23:48,815
if you're like in front of an audience
2683
01:23:48,815 --> 01:23:49,524
and you kind of like
2684
01:23:49,524 --> 01:23:50,734
let go and find it.
2685
01:23:51,443 --> 01:23:52,777
Yeah. Yeah. And, you know,
2686
01:23:52,819 --> 01:23:54,654
and on certain days you can do
2687
01:23:54,654 --> 01:23:55,405
it and other days you
2688
01:23:55,405 --> 01:23:57,615
can't, you know, it's, you know,
2689
01:23:57,657 --> 01:23:59,033
you probably realize it too.
2690
01:23:59,033 --> 01:24:00,160
Like a lot of times like the,
2691
01:24:00,285 --> 01:24:01,119
when you're playing a gig,
2692
01:24:01,119 --> 01:24:02,579
like the first song or two,
2693
01:24:02,954 --> 01:24:03,955
even like the first 10
2694
01:24:04,038 --> 01:24:05,290
seconds of the first song,
2695
01:24:05,290 --> 01:24:05,874
you're like, all right, I'm
2696
01:24:05,874 --> 01:24:06,833
feeling pretty good today.
2697
01:24:06,875 --> 01:24:08,209
My voice, my voice
2698
01:24:08,209 --> 01:24:09,627
sounds good right off the bat.
2699
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:10,003
Yeah.
2700
01:24:11,045 --> 01:24:11,838
And then you kind of
2701
01:24:11,838 --> 01:24:15,091
start, you know, going for it.
2702
01:24:15,592 --> 01:24:16,426
Yeah. Okay.
2703
01:24:17,010 --> 01:24:19,471
So if you could have
2704
01:24:20,305 --> 01:24:22,766
coffee with anyone in the world,
2705
01:24:22,766 --> 01:24:24,184
this is a chat TVT question.
2706
01:24:24,184 --> 01:24:24,517
Okay.
2707
01:24:24,642 --> 01:24:25,351
And I don't know if I'm
2708
01:24:25,351 --> 01:24:26,478
saying exactly, hold on.
2709
01:24:26,978 --> 01:24:28,104
If you could, oh, hold on.
2710
01:24:28,104 --> 01:24:29,439
This is a different question.
2711
01:24:29,522 --> 01:24:30,523
I kind of made up my own
2712
01:24:30,523 --> 01:24:32,233
question that I thought was a chat
2713
01:24:32,233 --> 01:24:33,902
TVT question. So I'll ask you both.
2714
01:24:34,194 --> 01:24:34,611
All right.
2715
01:24:34,861 --> 01:24:36,237
If you could have coffee
2716
01:24:36,362 --> 01:24:38,323
with anyone in the world
2717
01:24:39,574 --> 01:24:42,577
and ask them two questions,
2718
01:24:44,412 --> 01:24:45,163
who would it be and
2719
01:24:45,163 --> 01:24:45,997
what would you ask them?
2720
01:24:46,122 --> 01:24:47,707
Man, that's an interesting question.
2721
01:24:48,208 --> 01:24:49,250
Up to two questions. You
2722
01:24:49,250 --> 01:24:50,168
could just ask them one.
2723
01:24:50,168 --> 01:24:51,503
Anyone in the world.
2724
01:24:51,711 --> 01:24:52,754
Yeah. Alive.
2725
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,674
Right. And ask them one or two questions.
2726
01:24:56,674 --> 01:24:57,008
Yeah.
2727
01:24:58,176 --> 01:24:59,219
Man, I don't know.
2728
01:24:59,761 --> 01:25:00,637
Crazy question.
2729
01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:02,222
Yeah.
2730
01:25:05,016 --> 01:25:07,894
What's your gut telling you?
2731
01:25:08,269 --> 01:25:09,229
Nothing at all.
2732
01:25:09,229 --> 01:25:11,022
Like I have no, nothing coming to mind.
2733
01:25:11,022 --> 01:25:11,815
You know, like some YouTube
2734
01:25:11,815 --> 01:25:12,899
or something you don't want to
2735
01:25:12,899 --> 01:25:13,107
Yeah.
2736
01:25:13,691 --> 01:25:19,197
It doesn't have to be a profound answer.
2737
01:25:19,239 --> 01:25:20,824
Yeah, I know. But dude, I
2738
01:25:20,824 --> 01:25:22,534
really can't like, I mean, sure.
2739
01:25:22,534 --> 01:25:24,702
There's a bunch of YouTubers, I guess,
2740
01:25:24,702 --> 01:25:25,829
that I'd love to like
2741
01:25:26,287 --> 01:25:27,413
chat with, but I'm like,
2742
01:25:27,413 --> 01:25:29,415
what would I ask them that
2743
01:25:29,415 --> 01:25:30,583
they don't already tell me
2744
01:25:30,583 --> 01:25:31,292
on YouTube?
2745
01:25:31,543 --> 01:25:32,126
Yeah, that's true.
2746
01:25:33,670 --> 01:25:34,629
Yeah. I don't know, dude.
2747
01:25:35,129 --> 01:25:36,464
Maybe ask me another question.
2748
01:25:36,464 --> 01:25:37,590
Maybe I'll come back to that.
2749
01:25:37,715 --> 01:25:39,134
The other one's very similar.
2750
01:25:39,217 --> 01:25:39,592
Okay.
2751
01:25:39,634 --> 01:25:41,052
This is the chat TVT question.
2752
01:25:41,469 --> 01:25:42,303
If you could have dinner
2753
01:25:42,303 --> 01:25:43,805
with anyone in history,
2754
01:25:43,805 --> 01:25:44,889
who would you invite?
2755
01:25:44,973 --> 01:25:45,890
And what's the first
2756
01:25:45,890 --> 01:25:47,141
question you'd ask them?
2757
01:25:50,353 --> 01:25:52,063
Yeah. I don't know.
2758
01:25:55,984 --> 01:25:56,651
I don't know. What
2759
01:25:56,651 --> 01:25:58,236
else did chat TVT ask you?
2760
01:25:58,319 --> 01:25:59,863
Those are, I can't think of any.
2761
01:25:59,904 --> 01:26:03,199
That's really the only ones that,
2762
01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:06,870
that, well, they did give
2763
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:08,580
me some rapid fire questions,
2764
01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:09,539
but I don't know.
2765
01:26:09,706 --> 01:26:09,998
Okay.
2766
01:26:10,707 --> 01:26:11,875
Let's see how these are.
2767
01:26:14,586 --> 01:26:17,130
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
2768
01:26:17,130 --> 01:26:17,589
Rapid fire.
2769
01:26:18,006 --> 01:26:19,507
A book that changed your life.
2770
01:26:20,466 --> 01:26:21,843
I don't know about changing my life,
2771
01:26:21,843 --> 01:26:23,303
but I've only really read one book.
2772
01:26:23,303 --> 01:26:25,263
So this is an easy answer.
2773
01:26:26,222 --> 01:26:27,765
Chesapeake by James Mishner.
2774
01:26:28,057 --> 01:26:28,391
Okay.
2775
01:26:28,433 --> 01:26:32,145
I actually read, this is ridiculous.
2776
01:26:32,186 --> 01:26:33,646
That book's like a thousand pages.
2777
01:26:33,938 --> 01:26:34,731
And it's like literally
2778
01:26:34,731 --> 01:26:36,357
the only book that I've read.
2779
01:26:36,733 --> 01:26:37,650
I stopped.
2780
01:26:38,526 --> 01:26:40,361
I didn't read the last
2781
01:26:40,361 --> 01:26:41,529
10 pages of that book.
2782
01:26:41,738 --> 01:26:42,030
Really?
2783
01:26:42,071 --> 01:26:43,114
Just ridiculous.
2784
01:26:43,239 --> 01:26:44,198
Really? All right. I get it.
2785
01:26:44,282 --> 01:26:45,658
Yeah. I got that enough.
2786
01:26:45,992 --> 01:26:47,035
Now, about twist at the end.
2787
01:26:47,076 --> 01:26:49,120
I really enjoyed that book, man.
2788
01:26:49,412 --> 01:26:50,288
Even though it's a
2789
01:26:50,288 --> 01:26:51,539
pretty controversial book,
2790
01:26:51,539 --> 01:26:53,291
because it's like
2791
01:26:53,291 --> 01:26:56,127
historical, but it's fiction.
2792
01:26:56,794 --> 01:26:59,923
Like the characters and the places are
2793
01:26:59,923 --> 01:27:01,591
all kind of based on
2794
01:27:01,591 --> 01:27:04,177
real events and places,
2795
01:27:04,177 --> 01:27:05,762
but the names and the,
2796
01:27:05,762 --> 01:27:08,681
like the towns and stuff are not real.
2797
01:27:09,223 --> 01:27:09,557
Okay.
2798
01:27:11,351 --> 01:27:13,061
But it was very, there's
2799
01:27:13,061 --> 01:27:16,731
a lot of true facts about,
2800
01:27:18,232 --> 01:27:21,819
how the waterman industry developed
2801
01:27:21,819 --> 01:27:23,863
over hundreds of years in this area,
2802
01:27:24,197 --> 01:27:24,739
even though the
2803
01:27:24,739 --> 01:27:26,449
actual people are not real.
2804
01:27:27,909 --> 01:27:30,828
But yeah, I really got into that book.
2805
01:27:31,996 --> 01:27:34,874
I've grown up on the Eastern shore,
2806
01:27:34,874 --> 01:27:36,376
except for the four years
2807
01:27:36,376 --> 01:27:37,293
we were across the bridge,
2808
01:27:37,293 --> 01:27:39,128
but like my entire family are Eastern
2809
01:27:39,128 --> 01:27:40,463
shore native people.
2810
01:27:40,463 --> 01:27:42,256
So that's always been
2811
01:27:43,633 --> 01:27:45,426
something I identified with.
2812
01:27:45,969 --> 01:27:48,763
So it was very interesting
2813
01:27:48,763 --> 01:27:51,182
to me to like read about,
2814
01:27:53,142 --> 01:27:55,019
excuse me, how the Chesapeake Bay area
2815
01:27:56,813 --> 01:27:58,523
developed over hundreds of years.
2816
01:27:58,606 --> 01:28:00,858
Yeah. Yeah. It is really interesting.
2817
01:28:00,858 --> 01:28:01,859
Yeah. It was cool.
2818
01:28:03,069 --> 01:28:04,278
This is not on the list,
2819
01:28:04,278 --> 01:28:06,406
but I do want to ask this question.
2820
01:28:07,490 --> 01:28:09,993
Are you a dog or a cat guy?
2821
01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:12,036
Oh, dog all the way. I hate cats.
2822
01:28:12,078 --> 01:28:13,162
Why don't you own a dog, Joe?
2823
01:28:13,913 --> 01:28:15,039
Why don't I own one right now?
2824
01:28:15,081 --> 01:28:15,498
Yeah.
2825
01:28:15,707 --> 01:28:17,250
Well, for one, because
2826
01:28:17,250 --> 01:28:18,251
the place we're living,
2827
01:28:18,251 --> 01:28:20,712
it's like a $300 deposit for a dog,
2828
01:28:20,712 --> 01:28:22,630
and then it's like another $60 a month.
2829
01:28:22,630 --> 01:28:23,548
So it's just that.
2830
01:28:24,465 --> 01:28:26,092
Yeah. Yeah. And it's,
2831
01:28:26,467 --> 01:28:28,553
we live in like a duplex.
2832
01:28:28,553 --> 01:28:29,470
I mean, we could have,
2833
01:28:29,470 --> 01:28:30,680
we could have a small dog,
2834
01:28:31,097 --> 01:28:33,808
but I have always been partial to labs.
2835
01:28:33,850 --> 01:28:36,561
We've always had labs and
2836
01:28:36,561 --> 01:28:37,854
you know, you gotta have,
2837
01:28:39,022 --> 01:28:40,148
labs gotta have a place
2838
01:28:40,148 --> 01:28:41,941
to run around, a big yard.
2839
01:28:41,941 --> 01:28:44,152
You know, it's a lot.
2840
01:28:44,402 --> 01:28:47,321
Yeah. Torture a lab.
2841
01:28:48,114 --> 01:28:49,782
But yeah, no, cats, I
2842
01:28:49,782 --> 01:28:50,742
don't like cats at all.
2843
01:28:51,075 --> 01:28:54,704
There was one other good question on here
2844
01:28:54,704 --> 01:28:56,497
that I didn't write down. Oh yeah.
2845
01:28:56,497 --> 01:29:00,293
Yeah. Actually, hold on.
2846
01:29:00,543 --> 01:29:01,669
Before I ask you those, I
2847
01:29:01,669 --> 01:29:02,712
have a couple other ones.
2848
01:29:02,795 --> 01:29:03,087
Okay.
2849
01:29:03,337 --> 01:29:06,799
What does success mean to
2850
01:29:06,799 --> 01:29:08,301
you and what does it look like?
2851
01:29:09,552 --> 01:29:12,221
I mean, fairly cliche
2852
01:29:12,221 --> 01:29:13,389
answer, I guess, but,
2853
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:16,809
you know, like being
2854
01:29:16,809 --> 01:29:18,227
happy with yourself, you know,
2855
01:29:19,103 --> 01:29:24,525
being content with your life
2856
01:29:24,525 --> 01:29:26,486
and you know, the kind
2857
01:29:26,486 --> 01:29:27,904
of person that you are
2858
01:29:29,322 --> 01:29:30,740
feeling good about yourself, you know.
2859
01:29:30,823 --> 01:29:31,157
Okay.
2860
01:29:32,867 --> 01:29:33,868
That definitely does
2861
01:29:33,868 --> 01:29:36,579
include money for me anyway.
2862
01:29:39,373 --> 01:29:40,875
I would love, so like, you
2863
01:29:40,875 --> 01:29:42,585
know, you know me pretty well.
2864
01:29:42,585 --> 01:29:43,586
I've gotten much better
2865
01:29:43,586 --> 01:29:45,922
with like irrational spending
2866
01:29:45,922 --> 01:29:47,090
or impulsive spending,
2867
01:29:47,507 --> 01:29:49,258
but I still like to do it.
2868
01:29:50,843 --> 01:29:54,013
Not necessarily impulsive these days,
2869
01:29:54,430 --> 01:29:56,182
but I still like to buy things.
2870
01:29:56,766 --> 01:29:58,101
I just plan them out a
2871
01:29:58,101 --> 01:29:59,352
lot more than I used to,
2872
01:30:00,269 --> 01:30:03,439
but I would, so like financially,
2873
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:06,150
I'm pretty good at the moment, but like,
2874
01:30:06,192 --> 01:30:07,485
I would like to be able
2875
01:30:07,485 --> 01:30:12,073
to impulsively buy things
2876
01:30:12,949 --> 01:30:16,077
and not worry about it.
2877
01:30:16,369 --> 01:30:16,702
Okay.
2878
01:30:16,744 --> 01:30:19,497
You know, like I'd like to
2879
01:30:19,497 --> 01:30:21,082
be able to spend 5,000 bucks
2880
01:30:21,082 --> 01:30:22,708
and like, okay, no worries, I'm good.
2881
01:30:22,750 --> 01:30:23,626
I can't do that next
2882
01:30:23,626 --> 01:30:25,419
week, but like I'm all right.
2883
01:30:25,795 --> 01:30:27,672
You know, I still got, I
2884
01:30:27,672 --> 01:30:28,881
still pay all my bills,
2885
01:30:28,965 --> 01:30:30,299
you know, and now I
2886
01:30:30,299 --> 01:30:31,259
have to worry about it.
2887
01:30:31,259 --> 01:30:34,428
I'd like to be able to, you know,
2888
01:30:35,054 --> 01:30:37,306
even not necessarily just that, but like,
2889
01:30:38,349 --> 01:30:39,517
I'd like to buy a new
2890
01:30:39,517 --> 01:30:42,228
camera if I need it and want it
2891
01:30:42,770 --> 01:30:46,274
and like just go buy it and it's okay.
2892
01:30:46,691 --> 01:30:48,151
But if you had that kind of money,
2893
01:30:49,193 --> 01:30:50,862
I guess what my first
2894
01:30:50,862 --> 01:30:52,155
question is, would you,
2895
01:30:53,114 --> 01:30:55,658
cause you could have that kind of money
2896
01:30:55,658 --> 01:30:58,035
if you lowered your standard
2897
01:30:58,035 --> 01:31:00,037
of living to a certain point,
2898
01:31:00,037 --> 01:31:00,705
right, so like right
2899
01:31:00,705 --> 01:31:01,998
now you live in a duplex,
2900
01:31:02,540 --> 01:31:05,084
would you be happy living in a duplex
2901
01:31:05,293 --> 01:31:07,920
and have that kind of money extra
2902
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:09,046
that you could do that with?
2903
01:31:09,046 --> 01:31:10,882
Or if you had this extra money,
2904
01:31:10,923 --> 01:31:12,049
do you think you then
2905
01:31:12,049 --> 01:31:13,509
want to move into a mansion?
2906
01:31:13,509 --> 01:31:14,594
Well, that's very true.
2907
01:31:14,635 --> 01:31:15,178
You know what I mean?
2908
01:31:15,469 --> 01:31:17,597
That is a true thing, right?
2909
01:31:18,055 --> 01:31:20,016
If we have more income,
2910
01:31:20,183 --> 01:31:21,309
it doesn't necessarily,
2911
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:22,351
like a lot of times we
2912
01:31:22,351 --> 01:31:23,478
just increase our spending.
2913
01:31:23,478 --> 01:31:23,769
Right.
2914
01:31:25,521 --> 01:31:29,150
Yeah, so, I mean, yeah,
2915
01:31:29,150 --> 01:31:29,817
that was kind of a
2916
01:31:29,817 --> 01:31:31,736
general response, I guess, like,
2917
01:31:33,404 --> 01:31:34,280
I realized that that
2918
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:35,531
probably would happen to me
2919
01:31:35,531 --> 01:31:36,490
if I had more income,
2920
01:31:36,490 --> 01:31:37,241
I'd probably end up
2921
01:31:37,241 --> 01:31:38,284
just spending more money.
2922
01:31:38,659 --> 01:31:38,951
Yeah.
2923
01:31:39,660 --> 01:31:41,204
So, you know, I mean, I'd have to,
2924
01:31:41,954 --> 01:31:43,247
I don't, I don't think
2925
01:31:43,247 --> 01:31:44,540
I would, like, if I had,
2926
01:31:45,333 --> 01:31:46,709
if money was not an issue,
2927
01:31:46,751 --> 01:31:47,627
I don't think I'd live in
2928
01:31:47,627 --> 01:31:50,004
a 20,000 square foot house.
2929
01:31:50,004 --> 01:31:51,130
What's an ideal, like,
2930
01:31:51,130 --> 01:31:53,633
what's an ideal, it's enough,
2931
01:31:54,008 --> 01:31:54,550
like, like, um.
2932
01:31:54,592 --> 01:31:55,384
I don't know, Mike.
2933
01:31:55,593 --> 01:31:57,970
Like, an ideal living situation.
2934
01:31:58,054 --> 01:31:58,638
You know what I mean?
2935
01:31:58,638 --> 01:31:59,263
Like, do you,
2936
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:01,933
I mean, where we live
2937
01:32:01,933 --> 01:32:02,892
right now is enough.
2938
01:32:02,892 --> 01:32:04,560
It's a nice spot.
2939
01:32:04,602 --> 01:32:05,770
I like it just fine.
2940
01:32:06,020 --> 01:32:07,480
Sure, there are certain
2941
01:32:07,480 --> 01:32:10,399
things that it doesn't have
2942
01:32:10,399 --> 01:32:11,359
that I would like to have.
2943
01:32:11,359 --> 01:32:12,276
What's your dream house?
2944
01:32:12,568 --> 01:32:13,361
I don't know.
2945
01:32:13,444 --> 01:32:14,237
I really don't.
2946
01:32:14,820 --> 01:32:15,529
It's hard to say.
2947
01:32:15,529 --> 01:32:18,491
I want, like, that studio that I
2948
01:32:18,491 --> 01:32:19,450
mentioned I'd like to have,
2949
01:32:19,659 --> 01:32:21,285
I would ideally like
2950
01:32:21,285 --> 01:32:22,578
that to be on my property.
2951
01:32:22,620 --> 01:32:22,995
Okay.
2952
01:32:23,037 --> 01:32:23,663
You know, I don't want
2953
01:32:23,663 --> 01:32:24,497
to have to drive to it.
2954
01:32:24,497 --> 01:32:25,039
I want to be able to
2955
01:32:25,039 --> 01:32:26,832
walk or drive a golf cart.
2956
01:32:26,874 --> 01:32:28,125
I want to drive a golf cart to it.
2957
01:32:28,542 --> 01:32:29,210
That would be sweet.
2958
01:32:29,293 --> 01:32:29,877
That would be pretty cool.
2959
01:32:31,045 --> 01:32:31,963
I would like to have,
2960
01:32:31,963 --> 01:32:34,382
like, a big, you know,
2961
01:32:34,382 --> 01:32:37,301
finished, like, barn type studio,
2962
01:32:38,344 --> 01:32:41,264
or just a big ass barn that's finished
2963
01:32:41,264 --> 01:32:43,266
that I could use for whatever I want,
2964
01:32:43,307 --> 01:32:44,976
partly a garage and keep,
2965
01:32:45,768 --> 01:32:46,978
like, use it as a garage.
2966
01:32:47,478 --> 01:32:48,688
I saw one recently.
2967
01:32:48,688 --> 01:32:53,025
I played a party on 4th of July
2968
01:32:53,359 --> 01:32:56,279
down in Mardella Springs by Salisbury,
2969
01:32:56,279 --> 01:32:57,488
and this dude had,
2970
01:32:57,947 --> 01:32:59,657
like, the perfect barn.
2971
01:32:59,657 --> 01:33:02,576
It wasn't super extravagant.
2972
01:33:03,077 --> 01:33:03,703
I mean, it obviously
2973
01:33:03,703 --> 01:33:04,578
costs a lot of money,
2974
01:33:04,578 --> 01:33:07,456
but he had one section of it where it
2975
01:33:07,456 --> 01:33:07,999
was, like, you know,
2976
01:33:07,999 --> 01:33:09,583
farm equipment and lawnmowers,
2977
01:33:09,583 --> 01:33:10,960
and he had a boat in
2978
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:11,919
there, and you know what I mean?
2979
01:33:12,169 --> 01:33:13,337
It was still fairly clean,
2980
01:33:13,337 --> 01:33:14,130
but it was, like, that
2981
01:33:14,130 --> 01:33:15,464
was the garage section,
2982
01:33:15,881 --> 01:33:16,841
and then this other
2983
01:33:16,841 --> 01:33:18,050
section, but it was open,
2984
01:33:18,426 --> 01:33:19,427
and then the other
2985
01:33:19,427 --> 01:33:20,177
section was just, like,
2986
01:33:20,177 --> 01:33:21,387
a big wide open
2987
01:33:21,387 --> 01:33:23,431
section, and he had, you know,
2988
01:33:24,432 --> 01:33:25,474
he had some shelving and stuff.
2989
01:33:25,558 --> 01:33:26,309
It was a little more
2990
01:33:26,309 --> 01:33:27,518
organized, but, like,
2991
01:33:27,977 --> 01:33:29,562
it was just a big wide open area
2992
01:33:29,603 --> 01:33:31,105
that you could use whatever
2993
01:33:31,105 --> 01:33:32,523
you want for whatever you want.
2994
01:33:32,606 --> 01:33:32,982
Okay.
2995
01:33:34,608 --> 01:33:35,901
I would love to have something like that.
2996
01:33:36,235 --> 01:33:36,610
Okay.
2997
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:38,154
And as far as the house
2998
01:33:38,154 --> 01:33:39,280
goes, you'd want, like,
2999
01:33:39,322 --> 01:33:40,114
everyone has their own
3000
01:33:40,114 --> 01:33:42,908
bedroom, couple bathrooms.
3001
01:33:43,326 --> 01:33:44,827
Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm--
3002
01:33:44,869 --> 01:33:46,454
Nothing, nothing crazy.
3003
01:33:46,620 --> 01:33:47,747
It's hard to say, Mike.
3004
01:33:47,747 --> 01:33:48,956
If money wasn't an issue, I
3005
01:33:48,956 --> 01:33:50,416
probably would go overboard.
3006
01:33:50,416 --> 01:33:51,792
This is not if money wasn't an issue.
3007
01:33:52,668 --> 01:33:54,211
Well, that's why it's
3008
01:33:54,211 --> 01:33:55,796
hard to say what's ideal,
3009
01:33:55,796 --> 01:33:58,632
because, like, how much money do I have
3010
01:33:58,632 --> 01:34:00,426
in this ideal situation, you know?
3011
01:34:00,426 --> 01:34:01,302
Well, that's, okay.
3012
01:34:01,969 --> 01:34:03,304
I'm trying to figure out, like,
3013
01:34:04,180 --> 01:34:06,557
what point you need to be at living-wise
3014
01:34:06,766 --> 01:34:08,476
to where you, to
3015
01:34:08,476 --> 01:34:09,769
where then you'd be like,
3016
01:34:09,769 --> 01:34:11,354
okay, this is good enough.
3017
01:34:11,771 --> 01:34:14,982
Now anything extra is extra,
3018
01:34:14,982 --> 01:34:15,941
and I can do things
3019
01:34:15,941 --> 01:34:17,652
like buy a $5,000 camera.
3020
01:34:17,652 --> 01:34:18,194
I mean, I would
3021
01:34:18,194 --> 01:34:19,445
consider where I'm at right now
3022
01:34:19,528 --> 01:34:21,572
to be what you're
3023
01:34:21,572 --> 01:34:22,698
describing, you know what I mean?
3024
01:34:23,157 --> 01:34:23,991
It's just fine.
3025
01:34:24,158 --> 01:34:24,825
I like it.
3026
01:34:25,117 --> 01:34:26,660
It's better than just fine
3027
01:34:26,994 --> 01:34:28,037
where we're at right now.
3028
01:34:28,162 --> 01:34:28,579
Okay.
3029
01:34:29,955 --> 01:34:32,291
But I mean, more is more, so--
3030
01:34:32,333 --> 01:34:32,625
No, it's more.
3031
01:34:33,876 --> 01:34:35,169
You know, that's the way I look at it.
3032
01:34:35,294 --> 01:34:36,045
What do you hope your
3033
01:34:36,045 --> 01:34:37,421
grandkids say about you
3034
01:34:37,421 --> 01:34:38,005
when you're dead?
3035
01:34:38,297 --> 01:34:38,964
Oh, man.
3036
01:34:41,384 --> 01:34:44,804
I hope that they say that,
3037
01:34:46,722 --> 01:34:49,392
you know, I was a responsible,
3038
01:34:50,893 --> 01:34:53,062
good person and someone that
3039
01:34:53,062 --> 01:34:55,731
they admired and looked up to,
3040
01:34:56,232 --> 01:35:00,194
and, you know, had,
3041
01:35:00,194 --> 01:35:04,281
you know, my
3042
01:35:04,281 --> 01:35:05,491
grandparents always used to say,
3043
01:35:05,491 --> 01:35:06,617
use your best judgment.
3044
01:35:07,284 --> 01:35:07,868
That's something they
3045
01:35:07,868 --> 01:35:09,120
would tell me all the time.
3046
01:35:09,495 --> 01:35:11,997
So I would hope that they would say,
3047
01:35:11,997 --> 01:35:16,627
like, I have good judgment and, you know,
3048
01:35:16,710 --> 01:35:18,671
a good character and that kind of thing.
3049
01:35:19,338 --> 01:35:21,048
And you hope they would say,
3050
01:35:21,465 --> 01:35:22,466
my grandpa used to
3051
01:35:22,466 --> 01:35:25,219
always say, such and such.
3052
01:35:26,095 --> 01:35:27,888
I don't know.
3053
01:35:27,888 --> 01:35:28,639
I would also hope that
3054
01:35:28,639 --> 01:35:29,598
they think I'm funny.
3055
01:35:29,807 --> 01:35:30,850
Okay, yeah, that's fair.
3056
01:35:31,434 --> 01:35:32,268
All right, let me go back
3057
01:35:32,268 --> 01:35:33,644
to these chat TVD questions
3058
01:35:33,644 --> 01:35:35,062
real quick and see, there
3059
01:35:35,062 --> 01:35:36,439
might not even be anything
3060
01:35:39,650 --> 01:35:41,026
worthwhile here, but,
3061
01:35:44,738 --> 01:35:47,658
oh, well, this is, okay.
3062
01:35:49,118 --> 01:35:50,661
This made me think of another question.
3063
01:35:51,078 --> 01:35:52,371
So this question is, when do
3064
01:35:52,371 --> 01:35:53,789
you feel most like yourself?
3065
01:35:53,789 --> 01:35:54,790
Which made me think,
3066
01:35:55,291 --> 01:35:57,168
what makes you feel alive?
3067
01:35:57,543 --> 01:35:59,503
What makes me feel alive?
3068
01:36:00,337 --> 01:36:01,338
When do you feel most alive?
3069
01:36:01,338 --> 01:36:02,882
That's an interesting question.
3070
01:36:08,387 --> 01:36:11,557
Probably like, you know,
3071
01:36:11,557 --> 01:36:12,641
like when you feel like
3072
01:36:12,641 --> 01:36:13,809
you like connect with
3073
01:36:13,809 --> 01:36:15,978
like a loved one, you know,
3074
01:36:16,562 --> 01:36:17,980
when you're like, you
3075
01:36:17,980 --> 01:36:20,149
know, you're feeling
3076
01:36:22,818 --> 01:36:23,819
like that feeling of
3077
01:36:23,819 --> 01:36:25,779
love with your partner
3078
01:36:26,071 --> 01:36:28,157
or with your kid, kids.
3079
01:36:30,618 --> 01:36:31,785
Yeah, I think so.
3080
01:36:31,785 --> 01:36:34,580
That's probably like, like really
3081
01:36:34,580 --> 01:36:35,706
heightened awareness.
3082
01:36:35,706 --> 01:36:38,000
You know, you're really
3083
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:39,168
in the present moment.
3084
01:36:40,044 --> 01:36:40,419
Okay.
3085
01:36:40,503 --> 01:36:41,712
Yeah, I think so.
3086
01:36:42,129 --> 01:36:44,215
That's when I feel the most alive.
3087
01:36:44,256 --> 01:36:44,673
Okay.
3088
01:36:45,132 --> 01:36:45,257
Yeah.
3089
01:36:45,466 --> 01:36:46,592
Not when you're spending money.
3090
01:36:47,051 --> 01:36:47,551
No.
3091
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:48,052
No.
3092
01:36:48,511 --> 01:36:49,136
No, man.
3093
01:36:49,220 --> 01:36:50,679
It's just a rush of dopamine.
3094
01:36:50,804 --> 01:36:51,430
Yeah.
3095
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:54,016
I mean, yeah, yeah.
3096
01:36:54,892 --> 01:36:55,267
All right.
3097
01:36:55,267 --> 01:37:00,231
If someone you knew when
3098
01:37:00,231 --> 01:37:03,025
you were 18 met you today,
3099
01:37:03,025 --> 01:37:04,902
what would surprise them the most?
3100
01:37:05,945 --> 01:37:07,905
What would surprise them when I was 18?
3101
01:37:09,031 --> 01:37:10,366
I think we covered this kind of.
3102
01:37:10,366 --> 01:37:12,159
Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, I wasn't like
3103
01:37:12,159 --> 01:37:13,494
in active addiction at 18.
3104
01:37:13,577 --> 01:37:14,203
Oh, okay.
3105
01:37:16,372 --> 01:37:18,332
What would surprise them the most?
3106
01:37:19,625 --> 01:37:20,417
I mean, I think that
3107
01:37:20,417 --> 01:37:21,377
they would be surprised
3108
01:37:21,377 --> 01:37:24,338
that I'm like, that I have videography
3109
01:37:24,380 --> 01:37:24,964
business and like,
3110
01:37:24,964 --> 01:37:26,715
that's one of my main things.
3111
01:37:26,966 --> 01:37:27,925
And a musician, I
3112
01:37:27,925 --> 01:37:29,802
mean, I had just started
3113
01:37:29,802 --> 01:37:31,512
like strumming guitar back then.
3114
01:37:31,512 --> 01:37:34,306
So like people didn't, you know,
3115
01:37:34,723 --> 01:37:35,849
recognize me as a
3116
01:37:35,849 --> 01:37:37,935
musician or someone who sings,
3117
01:37:37,935 --> 01:37:38,519
you know what I mean?
3118
01:37:39,979 --> 01:37:41,647
I didn't do either one of those things.
3119
01:37:43,649 --> 01:37:45,985
And, you know, if I sat
3120
01:37:45,985 --> 01:37:47,111
down and talked with them,
3121
01:37:47,111 --> 01:37:48,404
they'd probably also be surprised
3122
01:37:48,404 --> 01:37:49,280
that I was a substance
3123
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:50,656
abuse counselor for a while.
3124
01:37:51,699 --> 01:37:51,907
Yeah.
3125
01:37:52,658 --> 01:37:53,701
Yeah, just like probably
3126
01:37:53,701 --> 01:37:54,868
just the general direction
3127
01:37:54,868 --> 01:37:55,202
that my-
3128
01:37:55,244 --> 01:37:56,203
So everything really.
3129
01:37:56,203 --> 01:37:57,246
Yeah, that my life went
3130
01:37:57,246 --> 01:37:58,289
in pretty much, you know.
3131
01:37:58,747 --> 01:38:00,374
They would also probably be surprised
3132
01:38:00,374 --> 01:38:02,960
that I spent years in active addiction
3133
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:05,504
because I don't think
3134
01:38:05,504 --> 01:38:06,589
anybody saw that coming.
3135
01:38:06,839 --> 01:38:08,340
Yeah, okay, cool.
3136
01:38:09,049 --> 01:38:10,342
Is there anything else about you
3137
01:38:10,342 --> 01:38:13,012
that the viewers might find interesting
3138
01:38:13,012 --> 01:38:14,013
that we haven't touched on?
3139
01:38:15,139 --> 01:38:17,474
Yeah, I'm actually 78 years old.
3140
01:38:17,474 --> 01:38:18,183
Wow. Yeah.
3141
01:38:19,018 --> 01:38:20,060
I've been taking this youth
3142
01:38:20,060 --> 01:38:22,313
serum for quite a while now.
3143
01:38:24,398 --> 01:38:25,816
Okay. Yeah, no, that's not true.
3144
01:38:26,817 --> 01:38:28,402
Yeah, I don't know, Mike, anything else
3145
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:30,988
viewers might find interesting?
3146
01:38:35,784 --> 01:38:37,786
I can't think of anything at the moment.
3147
01:38:38,287 --> 01:38:39,204
All right, Joe, well,
3148
01:38:39,371 --> 01:38:40,664
I think that's all I've got for you.
3149
01:38:40,956 --> 01:38:41,707
All right, well, those
3150
01:38:41,707 --> 01:38:43,792
are fairly easy questions
3151
01:38:43,792 --> 01:38:44,543
for the most part.
3152
01:38:44,543 --> 01:38:45,002
Yeah.
3153
01:38:45,085 --> 01:38:45,794
I was a little worried
3154
01:38:45,794 --> 01:38:46,837
you might get too far
3155
01:38:46,837 --> 01:38:48,005
under the weeds, but-
3156
01:38:48,130 --> 01:38:49,131
I tried to keep it light.
3157
01:38:49,131 --> 01:38:50,090
Yeah, you did a good job.
3158
01:38:50,090 --> 01:38:51,008
Thanks. All right.
3159
01:38:51,383 --> 01:38:52,134
All right, man, well,
3160
01:38:52,217 --> 01:38:53,427
we'll see you guys next time.