Talking Golf with Dennis Tiziani, Paul Braun, and Mike Heller

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Talking Golf at TPC Wisconsin is on
the air Talking Golf. He's brought to
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you by American Family Insurance, Oak
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and the Vatah Bob's Now from the new
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home of TPC Wisconsin and Madison.
Here are the hosts of Talking Golf.
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Member of the Wisconsin Golf Hall of
Fame, the legendary Dennis Tiziani, longtime
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Madison sportscaster Paul Brown, and Wisconsin
sports veteran and statewide radio host Mike Keller.
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Brown TPC Wisconsin here in Madison,
along with Dave McCann or engineer Dennis
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Tizianni, Mike Keller. I'm Paul
Brown, and welcome to another edition of
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Talk Golf at TPC Wisconsin and Mike, you and I and everybody else apparently
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starting uh in less than what twenty
four hours, we can make tea times
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at TPC Wisconsin. Yeah, the
members can start making some tea times online
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tomorrow for an August one start,
So we're three weeks from tomorrow is the
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first open date the first playable day. I walked it again and over the
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weekend and um and it just it
looks fantastic and can't wait to get out
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there. I know that. To
our left, he's fired up about getting
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some people. Are you gonna at
the official ceremonial first shot or not?
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Or not? Steve and Nikki and
him, Oh, they're gonna get a
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twenty time. They talked to Cent. We're gonna have a soft opening and
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then it'll be another one, maybe
in September October, where we would at
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that time that membership would be quite
full and that'd be the time to do
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it, and then it'll be even
more filled out, more beautiful. So
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we're gonna wait a little bit and
uh, just you know, let our
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people play. They just want to
play golf, you know, that's what
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they want to do. They want
to play. Mike, you can sense
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it if you are going to be
a member, people are getting excited.
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Everybody's looking forward to you. Look
at it and you go ooh, this
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looks very interesting. Hitting balls over
at the range. U and with you
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introducing myself to some people that I
don't recognize, and we're all waiting.
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We're all waiting for the day coming. I got fifteen calls already today,
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I mean text that we've had it
for submissions, for membership requests, and
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you know, I mean they're not
tire kickers now, you know, they're
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doing it. So we've got three
hundred and fifty people and you're already over
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but right, oh yeah, but
what we had, but we screened but
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a lot of them. We still
have three fifty which would be live,
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so to speak. Yeah, well, you know it's not gonna they're just
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eating for this to open. And
I just told him, you know,
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we'll hurry up, you know,
before you can get in, you know.
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Yeah. Speaking of Steve, he's
going to be playing this weekend.
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Bobby's in New York, Yeah,
she's, Dizzy's in Janesville, and Mario's
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going to the British Senior. Yeah, that they're all playing. I believe
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that. So the phone of mine
is going to blow up. I'll be
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a how's is he doing down in
James She gonna have the Gary tomatow on
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who's down at the tournament? He
doesn't know nothing we got. I think
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she's a shot or two behind.
She's in the second place. Tomorrow's the
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last day, women's stated am and
she's playing. Well, yeah, she'll
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do it right, she'll be all
right. Yeah. But she's got a
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life, you know. I mean
whether it's friends and parties, and I
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mean not parties as we know him. But she has things to do,
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you know, she's got things to
do. And by the way, in
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about six or seven minutes or so, one of the course designers along with
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Steve, Steve Wenslow, is going
to be joining us. He is works
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for TPC twenty seven years and he's
traveled all over the world and built off
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courses, and we're going to talk
about the construction here. Dennis, I
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have a question for you as it
relates I hope I'm not jumping on you.
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I have a question so youth golf, as players like an Issy or
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anybody that is high school caliber competitive, how different is that today from the
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other sports and their evolutions. And
the reason I bring this up is if
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you are a soccer player, or
a volleyball player, or a basketball player
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or a baseball player in about the
fifth or sixth grade, if you don't
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start doing that a lot, it's
hard to catch up. But I would
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assume in golf as far as tournament
play. It's always been that way.
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If you're not playing a whole lot
of tournaments, there's no substitute for playing
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tournaments. Is that a better way
to look at it. There's two things.
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It's the education part hitting balls,
yeah, and then there's the playing
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part, two different parts of the
whole deal. One, you're physically getting
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them with all the physics and getting
your body tuned up with their core and
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their hands. And then when you're
playing golf, now you're dealing with ninety
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percent of the thing. It's ninety
percent mental, ten percent fundamental. But
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you know in golf, you know
you have to go I don't know where
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do you go today? Where do
these kids go to get pro football help
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or pro soccer help, well,
even pro baseball. They all join their
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traveling club teams. Yeah. Right, So if you're playing baseball, it
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used to be that you would play
Little League and then Babe Ruth and then
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American Legion. Well you don't do
that anymore. You pay to play on
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a traveling club team with indoor practice
facilities, and you're playing in tournaments every
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week and getting professional help and guidance
on what you do for your approach,
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right, but golf, you call
Travis or call Larry or called is.
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You know, that's what they do, and then you get in and then
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there's a program that they have and
they're very proficient at what they do with
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books and paperwork and stuff. So
from a parent parents standpoint, and my
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kid wants to play golf and or
tennis or both golf, I'm gonna have
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them right or her, yeah,
right in here and they get going and
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we have as every day. We
looked at that one of the last tournaments,
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the top eighteen people in that tournament
we're in our programs. Yeah.
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Yeah. So the reason I bring
that up is that we talk about it
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on my sports talk show about the
sports specialization and club sports, right,
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and sometimes that money involved, and
I know that you guys do some things
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to help out those where money should
not be the impediment. But to me,
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golf, from a teaching standpoint,
working with Travis and others to get
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your game better, including Tis,
it's always been there to go through a
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PGA professional to learn the game.
Whereas the other sports have evolved. Used
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to play, like I said,
little league in bay Ruth in the American
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Legion, they don't do that anymore. It's all club travel programs. But
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that's been the way for volleyball and
soccer, and hockey was probably the rich
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nder of all of that years and
years ago. A lot of traveling hockey.
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And it's not a local like it
that much. Yeah, exactly,
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some of them. Some of them
like it a lot. Some of them
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like the weekend vacation, everybody in
the hotel and and a cooler of beer.
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That's a whole different deal. Well, we got one of your new
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friends on the line, Steve Winslowful. I'm sure over the last couple of
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years you've talked to a lot.
Right the new part, I'll go along,
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Steve, Welcome to the show for
our audience. Steve, along with
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Steve Stricker, designed and did the
construction here at the golf course. And
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Steve, I remember about last July
fourth weekend. Around that time we had
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you on the air for the first
time and I ask you of your first
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impression of building the course here,
and you said it was going to be
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a real challenge. What do you
think now that it's done from your perspective,
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what are you seeing? Well,
I appreciate you having me back on
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it's going to be back with you
guys. M. Yeah, like you
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said, almost a year or later
now that a lot is definitely transpired in
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that year and that project project they're
transforming Cherokee Country Club into PTC Wisconsin,
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definitely was everything and then some that
we thought it would be from the challenge
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standpoint, you know, the earthwork
earthwork aspect was definitely the biggest challenge,
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but was also the most important piece
of it respect to getting that sight to
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drain and being able to sort of
look back from the springtime that we just
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had this year versus the spring we
had last year. We were blessed definitely
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with the right weather winter wise,
spring wise, at the ground frozen enough
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to do everything that we needed to
do we were doing in this project.
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This year we'd be trudging along,
that's for sure, and be challenged to
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have even finished the project on time. So we're definitely blessed with great weather.
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As it is in construction season in
Wisconsin, which is a different construction
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season, the golf construction season,
when everything was frozen everybody, nobody else
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normally likes to work done. But
that site really lent itself to the frozen
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ground that we had to be able
to move our dirt around and be able
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to get the heavy yarkwork equipment around
that site. So definitely thankful for that.
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I'd be curious when you get up
here now, like say, if
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you were here last week and you
remember what it was like and moving that
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dirt around and that type of thing. When you look at the course now
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for the people that are going to
be playing it, what do you see?
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Well, what I see is more
about what I feel. Also when
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I walk around the property. I've
been up there several times the spring of
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actually be back up there on Wednesday, and it's when you walk around,
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when you ride around. But how
firm the ground is, um that was
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that was the major goal going into
that renovation. And definitely very pleased with
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how firm the conditions are underfoot out
there and how that's going to transpire into
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the golf game where the ball is
going to travel on the ground versus previously
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it didn't have that opportunity. We're
really out. Yeah, we were literally
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at him because he he did say
the whole cell there was that. He
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did the same kind of project in
Minnesota. They called it flipping. Maybe
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you can tell them about that flipping
the soil absolutely um our site in Minnesota
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was a basically a two hundred and
fifty acre bluegrass sod farm on pete,
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very similar to the peat that was
underneath the Cherokee Cherokee Country Club, and
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when we did our geotech studies there, we found basically an endless supply of
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glacier stands below the peak and peat. The peat was about anywhere from three
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to five feet deep. Basically just
went and robbed all the peat off and
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flipped it to the periphery and built
landforms and so forth, and then mined
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the sand with lake excavation and used
all that sand to build the playable corridors.
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And that's, you know, in
a nutshell, that is what we
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did at Cherokee, just in a
lesser degree. But we were able to
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to find the same type of glacier
sand, silty sand underneath the peak,
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and we're able to raise the overall
playing surfaces with some of the peat that
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we generated and then capped it all
with a footworth of that sand, and
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that is what created the you know, the drainage characteristics that it currently has,
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and that's gonna led itself to getting
the members around the golf course you
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know, a lot more throughout the
season and a lot less downtime, dude,
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inclemental weather. Steve, it's Mike
Keller. Thanks for jumping on with
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this. This is both for you
and Dennis. What is the work done
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when you do a design? I
guess when I'm getting at is you're doing
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a design. This course is going
to open three weeks from tomorrow for the
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membership, But when is the work
from a designer and a build standpoint done?
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Steve, start with you, and
then Dennis you can add into it.
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They myself as the architects going to
probably have a different answer than Dennis.
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All Right, I'm just waiting to
me the as the architect. You
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know, the thinking never stops you. Every time I'm there, I'm always
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looking at things, analyzing things,
wondering what if if we've done this?
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We do that, never sort of
rest on our laurels, This same thing
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all the way through construction, even
though we had a design on paper at
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initial thoughts. Yeah, we were
always though, challenging ourselves to says or
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anything we could do differently that we
think would improve upon what we had and
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still do the same thing even though
it's finished. We're always out there looking
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at you know, a little thing
here, a little thing there, and
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yeah and uh and that's just always
to try to to create, you know,
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a better product in the end um
in the game. Game of golf
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always evolves and is changing. But
from Dennis's perspective, I'm sure he's like,
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hey, some members get out there
and then let him enjoy the place.
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Well, really though, it's well, we were out last night again,
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Steve and I and we conclude the
Steve Stricker and I and conclude again,
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you know, it's ninety nine percent. Would we would call perfect,
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and he used the word perfect.
There are some things that we see that
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maybe the fairway can be a little
bit wider here and a little bit wider
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here, that stuff there. But
we're not going to do a thing different
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until we go through at least this
four months to be able to assess what
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is really going on, and we'll
get feedback from the players. But we
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are We've gone every hole and uh, you know, I've been out there
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with those guys hitting drivers off the
tees to see how those fairway bunker placements
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are. And uh, you know
like every time that's you know, Steve
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Stricker would call you know, I
was out there. You think maybe we
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could move this bunker, Move this
bunker, move that. You know,
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it's money thirty five grand. Every
time he called me, see, I
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mean, what the hell is this? What he called? The other he
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called the other day, you know, and he says, have you been
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out there? Yeah? I go
out there every day. I got tours
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of people. Where did you look
at number eight? I said, well,
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yeh, it's nice. She says, you know the whole course.
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He said, it's perfect. And
I hung up the phone. I said,
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we are going to talk anymore.
Collect call from Steve. We're chatting
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with Steve Wenslof, who helped design
the golf course here on talking golf,
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Steve, I remember one other thing
that you said the first time around,
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when we're you were talking about designs. You said, most golf courses,
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if I remember this correctly, they
have a hole where you basically kind of
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just grip it and rip it.
But you said, that's not the no
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discourse. You're going to have something
on every hole that you may have to
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think about. Is that a fair
statement? Yes? It is? Um,
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yeah, I mean, look,
they and part of it is is,
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you know, the just the characteristics
of that property that that you know,
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we inherited and we're able to do
a little bit with from from a
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width of a corridor standpoint. But
in general, I mean the golf course
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was routed insited in and around the
marsh, which creates its beauty and characteristic
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in the setting. Um, but
yet you know the golf is still still
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playing through that environment. You know, in that environment definitely has a as
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a factor on on t shots for
sure. Um, you know a little
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bit less on second shot because there's
definitely areas where we've intensively brought them into
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play where where they needed to for
second shots. But yes, it's a
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it's you know, you think your
way around. It's you whether you hit
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a hit a draw here on this
hole or a fade on that hole.
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I think you'll you definitely want to. You definitely think you're thinking way around
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the golf course, spending on how
the winds are the routing is, you
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know definitely where you you definitely have
different different orientations of the wind affecting golf
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holes, which is great to Part
three's different directions, Part five, different
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directions. So it's uh, yeah, it's definitely gonna it'll be a test.
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It's a tournament course. That's what
it is. That's what it is.
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What they were able to do.
They be in Steve and Steve is
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create enough teas to make it members
five centrica five some more than seven five
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to seven and hold. Yeah,
but it's member centric if you pick the
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right tea. But if you play
the tournament tas, it's a tournament course,
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I mean, and you'll know that
when you get on and around the
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green area. That's what I'm saying. The fun will be if you can
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get it to your one thirty five
to one forty range and then you can
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hitch your short iron in, then
you can have fun. Greens are undulating,
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it isn't flat like it used to
be. There's runoff areas, but
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it's a tournament course. Yeah,
I understand that, Mike. It sounds
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like our scores are going to go
up a little bit at the beginning here.
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Oh yeah, depends on what teas
we play these, But your scores
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at other places will come down.
Yeah, yeah, you know, because
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play golf. Yeah, but that
it's alluded to. It's definitely something that
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was important to to Steve, and
that is one of the fundamental characteristics of
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the golf course and design that we
had is is shortcuts postumon areas around the
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greens. So that is an element
um in respect to the recovery shots,
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you know, contours and the greens
pulling you off the surface into these areas
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where you're down below the surface with
multitude of different ways to hit your recovery
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shot back onto the surface. It's
definitely an element that's throughout. Now they're
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not all that way. There's a
combination of shortcut bunkers and rough grass around
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around each of the complexes. Steve, one final question from my point of
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view, then we'll let you go
off right. The other guys don't have
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anything, and I maybe it's not
even fair to ask, but over a
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period of time, what kind of
reputation do you think this course is going
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to come up with in terms of
like the pros who play it just not
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a curiosity, what do you think
they're gonna see and feel? Well,
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it's totally different than where they've been
playing. It's um it's a lot tighter,
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tighter shot, tighter corridor in general. UM. So I think that's
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what that's one of the biggest things
we'll see UM green complexes as Denis alluded
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to, is definitely where a lot
of the resistance of scoring is built into
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it. Um. But I hope
the guys are gonna love it and enjoy
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it and have a good time out
there. You know. It's one of
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those things you to build it you
you have a lot of differing things in
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mind, but you just got to
let them out there and let them get
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out and have a good time.
Same thing with the members. Excited you
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to let you see what's got the
members out there play the golf course.
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Steve and Steve and I like it. That's all I come. That's all
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we like it. That's all Steve. That sounds like it's good news for
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you on your Steve, thank you. It's good to visit with you.
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Appreciate yours. I'll see you got
one up. Take you care. Yeah,
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At TPC Wisconsin, we're back on talking
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golf and Wisconsin along with Dennis Tizianti, Mike Keller, I'm Paul Brown,
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and Gary Demato, senior writer for
Wisconsin dot Golf is joining us now and
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he's down in Janesville and h Gary, let's start Tis. Sitting here kind
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of trying to look for an update
on how is he Stricker is doing in
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that tournament? Yeah, if he
played well, I mean it's a it's
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a tough day out here at Deansville
Country Clup. Tiny Greens extremely quick greens
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and it's breezy, so the scores
aren't great, but the leader is eight
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overpar with it's a thirty six old
day today with a couple of those left
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and is he's one shot back,
so she's played very well today. What
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about this tournament draws your interest?
I know you cover all of these but
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in being down there and watching these
players go at it, what draws your
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attention? Gary? Yeah, you
know, I don't get to cover the
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women a lot because Rob Ernandez,
you know, comes into town and does
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a lot of that. So for
me, it's a chance to meet a
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lot of the college players that I
really don't know and high school players that
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there's a few really good high school
players in this event. So for me,
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it's just getting to know some of
the players that I really haven't met
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and don't know very well. You
know, I know is he a little
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bit, but I don't know Hannah
Dunk, who's right near the lead and
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is going to I believe, Green
Bay, and I don't. You know,
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I just don't know a lot of
the women in the field, so
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it's good for me to get to
know them. Gary, Just let us
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know. I know that you sent
me a note that you left to go
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when the leaders finished, So you
just let us know when you've got to
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run that direction. We're gonna have
McKenzie han on later in the program.
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Played in the US Women's Open this
last weekend at Pebble Beach. What a
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great story that is. Huh oh, tremendous. Yeah, you know,
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she probably didn't play as well as
she would have liked, but but just
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to get to a bad experience,
I know, she played a practice round
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with Donica Sarnstad and just to be
out at Pebble Beach, you know,
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one of the iconic golf courses in
the world, and get to tee it
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up there and play in a women's
Open. Yeah, that had to be
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really really cool for McKenzie. What
are some of the other highlights Gary of
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golf in Wisconsin and what's going on
from Wisconsin dot Golf's perspective of what you're
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covering in that type of thing.
Yeah, well, we've got the State
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amm Nest week at Aaron Hills,
which is going to be a lot of
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fun. And I got to play
the day after the Senior Open and did
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on my way all my stopped and
played the Leado the new course up at
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Sam Valley, the favorite club,
and I'll tell you what, it's a
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tough walk. I mean it's there's
not one tree and the golf course it's
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completely wide open and it was like
eighty six degrees and that's the time you
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walk with sand blow ups and it's
a it's a good block. But what
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a bad list property they have and
what a gold mine they have up there.
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They told me that you know,
you have to be a founding member
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to play there, and the only
other week you can play the leader is
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if you rent a cottage or a
villa at Sand Valley. They told many
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people are renting, renting overnight houses
and villas and not even staying in them
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just so they get to cheer up. Now that's someone who has too much
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money, right, no kiddings,
Yeah, I'm right with you. There
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a bigger picture question with the calendar
that's been in play on the Majors the
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last couple of years, and like
ling will stay. Do you like the
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move that has April, May,
June, July and then the Major Championships
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are done. They will be done
three weeks from now when they play the
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British you'll have the President's couple later, but as far as major golf championships,
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they're done in July. Have you
liked the switch to the new calendar.
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I have liked it. I love
the idea of a major a month,
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you know, for that four month
um stretch there. I think it's
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great for golf. And I think, you know, the PGA Championship in
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those August states, I think,
you know, football was starting up and
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there might have been a little bit
of kind of lost interest a little bit
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in golf, um just for the
casual fan. Obviously that the diehard fans
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going to watch them matter when the
PGA Championship is, but you know,
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I thought that probably at that time
of the year, interest was waning in
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golf for the casual fan. So
I really like the movie. The only
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thing I don't like about is that
you know, it's going to be hard
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for a place like Whistling Straights to
ever he the PGA Championship again. Tis
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when do you um, you know
Gary's talking about playing the lead oh last
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week? When is when does Gary
get the invite to come out here to
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me to ride in the car,
I mean and watch you play right in
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the eights golf here don't know putt
on the putting green. Maybe now we'll
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have them out here because he's really
you know, in all fairness, you
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know, he does really good.
Thank goodness for Gary, the other guy.
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I know him, But Gary,
he's pretty good. Buy he's a
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good kid. Yeah, I remember
when we were coaching. He has that
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the hard time because he couldn't get
me to interview, you know, so
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he he did some other things there
and I I forgave him, but I
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didn't forget. Okay, Gary and
Mike, I was just gonna say,
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and you guys know it well too. This gentleman has a long memory.
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Oh I'm aware. I'm aware,
no doubt. Well, I can't wait
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to bring them both here, though
they should come here to go around it,
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because their opinion would really count.
All right, Gary, we're gonna
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let you go so you can get
your work done. Well. Appreciate you
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checking in and giving us an update. Thank you. I appreciates always.
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Okay, Thanks Gary, all right, and Mike Heller will be back with
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Travis Becker from the training center.
You're gonna have a I don't know what
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your discussion today is on putting.
If I'm not mistaken, what's that mental
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game. Well, see, I
can't focus, So that's part of the
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issues. Appropole and do you use
this apropole? Yeah? Mental absolutely,
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yeah, thank you. You agree
that basically in golf. But what they
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claim, what eighty percent of its
mental? Yeah, it's playing golf.
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What we're doing here and the thing
we're teaching them how to hit it.
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So it's constant. You know,
you're tea you're hitting balls. Now all
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of a sudden have to take you
out on the course and the question what
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are you doing? Why are you
are you hitting this club? If you
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hit this club, you know,
here's what experience has taught me. If
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you hit this club, it's gonna
fly, it's gonna go over the green.
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You're gonna make a six. Here's
what experience stopped me. I'll go
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ahead and choke down a little bit
and I'll take this club and I'll be
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on the front of the green.
Two putton make a par Oh that's what
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they say. Oh oh, but
you know, but it comes. That's
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the training and what tight of the
Why are you teeing up on the right
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side of the tea block? Yeah? Why, Well, eighty five percent
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of the time your tea up on
the right side, you're gonna go over
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it, get over here on the
other side. Those are the things in
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playing golf. You know, what
are you doing in that bunker? Why
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are you hitting that club? Well, it's a sandwich, but we're gonna
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chunk and run here. You know. Oh you see what I'm saying.
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It's all these things. Now,
you got these runoff areas. I've always
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always wonder why don't you put I
always wondering. We brought it up earlier
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this year. People go practice on
flat right driving range off a good grass
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and they constantly move their ball onto
the better piece of grass, and you're
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gonna hit it up. And then
you get out there and how often do
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you hit off that short grass?
And I was in that vein. You
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know, Larry's done this labster.
You have two is to go out with
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a player that you've been working with
and the playing lesson something. Oh yeah,
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you know it hadn't helped you necessarily, Paul, Right, come on,
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you guys, you gotta be able
to hit it. And I think
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my problem is right here right right
between the earphones. It's golf, not
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bowling. These guys are bowling.
Hey, I know I won't go there
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yet. You did good, you
did better the last time we hit though,
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you know, seriously, I have
one that I want to ask you.
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When you were in your heyday as
a player, Yeah, and if
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you had a bad hole or whatever, mentally, how did you adjust or
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when you got into those situations where
you needed to keep it? Yeah?
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Well, all good players have short
memories and what's the most important shot and
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going the next one? That's it
and you have to go by that.
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And when I talked about yard,
I wasn't worried about all this stuff.
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I was only worried how it's one
thirty eight. That's how far I had
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to hit it. That's the only
thing you think about is one thirty eight.
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See, because I could hit a
driver one thirty eight. I wouldn't
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like the trajectory maybe, but it's
only the partage that conson your brain tells
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your core what's going to happen.
You don't say, well, I got
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a grip it like this and put
my feet like this. That's on the
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range. Now we're playing golf,
and the only thing that matters is you
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know how far you are from that
pin when you after you drive it?
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Of course, Yeah, I think
we had to take a break. Yeah,
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we should. That's just way too
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I'm Mike Keller, joined by Travis Becker
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as we do a little instruction segment
that we like to do each week on
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Talking Golf, and Travis is the
director of Golf here at TPC Wisconsin.
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Let's talk about the mental game and
the training in the mental game of golf.
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Now that we would need a six
hour program in order to cover because
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so much of the game is up
here. Where do you begin in your
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lesson programs to teach the thinking side
of the game, which is such a
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huge part of it. It is, I would say, over my twenty
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years of teaching the game of golf, I started off as a young assistant
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professional giving lessons and it was technique, technique, technique, technique this position,
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and as I continued to hone my
craft and skills, I could see
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that there was a lot more need
for just the mental side of it as
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well. So it began a lot
of my training and learning about how to
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teach players the mental game and how
to focus. And all of us golfers
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have gotten over a shot with twenty
different swing thoughts and usually does not work
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out. So I like to start
by just kind of really teaching the players
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to have a plan. Yeah,
and how do they ask themselves the right
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questions for that specific shot. So
what's the difference between strategy having a plan
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and the mental side, Because there's
an emotional side of the mental side of
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golf, right, they're one hundred
percent. So the strategy side might be
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the first is a tight hole,
I'm going to hit an iron off the
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t to keep it in play.
Where the mental side is you're standing on
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the t box telling yourself not to
hit it out of bouts are hit it
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into the junk. So again,
the better plan you can have and you
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can focus on the positive of the
golf shot versus all the negative things that
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can happen during a swing is where
it starts. And then after I have
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that good plan, I need to
be prepared. I need to get a
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good feel, a simple thought so
when I get over the ball, I
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can just execute with a clear focus
mind. Yeah. And then it's not
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only after I hit the shot,
but it's what do I do after I
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hit that shot? If it's a
good shot mentally, what do you do?
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Are you a high five in Are
you smiling? Are you way up
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way on top of the mountain.
What happens if you hit the bad shot?
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Are you telling yourself that you are
not very good at this game and
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using some four letter words, or
do you take the time to really think
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about what happened and getting a feel
to fix why happen and then moving on
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and keeping staying in that positive state. Travis, She's just touched on this,
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But let's talk about give me a
sample of what it is when somebody
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is sitting with an out of bound
steak on the right hand side on the
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t shot or a pond that is
runs the entire left hand side of the
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fairway. That player who gets on
the tea and goes and I can't hit
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it out of bounds. I don't
want to hit it. Don't hit it
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out of bounds. Same player the
standsers. Don't hit it left in the
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water. Don't hit it left in
the water. You just touched on it.
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Have it a plan? What's the
basic for that player to get that
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thought out of their mind so they
have to number one again? In that
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planning phase, they're asking themselves questions
when they're standing on that t box.
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They're also identifying the trouble and then
they are visualizing. This is a big
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part of the game. You will
have to visualize where you want to hit
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that shot, get the right side
of the brain work and get the mechanical
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left side out of it. So
if the pondas on the left, fundamentally
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I'd want to tee off on the
left side of the tea box and visualize
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myself hitting that golf ball away from
the trouball. Yeah, and then some
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who would hit a natural fade or
some might even call it a slice.
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If the water is on the left, maybe you play the right side of
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the tea box and hit kind of
in that direction and hope you don't get
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double crossed right to play that,
which would then fade back those elements of
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even where to stand on the tea
box, where to tee up your ball
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is part of the process of learning
how to play one hundred percent. Again,
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Yeah, you have to have a
plan, you know and trust what
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you want to do with that golf
ball. You could there's no right or
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wrong. There might be a better
decision over a one decision, but I've
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been proven wrong before, been telling
someone you got a tee off on this
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side and on that side and hit
a perfect shot. So it's it's about
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visualizing that shot. The better you
can visualize, the less thoughts, you're
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going to have, the smoother motions
your muscles are going to make, the
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better tempo timing balance, you're gonna
have a better chance to execute that shot.
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Travis Becker is the director of Golf
here at TPC Wisconsin. You're listening
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to Talking Golf, and let me
ask you about the process of shutting down
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in between shots and then refocusing,
which is part of the mental side of
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the game. Right if you're out
there for four and a half hours,
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you can't be in grind mode for
four and a half hours. So give
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me your theory, your thoughts on
leaving that shot behind. Maybe have a
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conversation with your playing partner as you're
walking or riding to the next shot.
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And then when you would refocus in
on what is next. Sure it's when
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you're moving from say I just hit
my t shot and I'm now walking down
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the fairway and instead of grinding the
entire walk on what you need to do
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next or what you just did,
take the time to look around at the
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beauty of the golf course. So
we tell our players look at the sky,
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Wow, it's a beautiful blue sky
out or to they are, look
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at the leaves on the trees,
or look at the duck on the pond.
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And the more you can do that
and relax, yeah, better that
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next shot is going to be.
You only have to focus for maybe three
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to ten seconds each shot. And
everybody's different in that way, right,
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leave you with a couple of final
thoughts here. Some aren't gonna want to
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have, especially competing. Some are
not gonna want to have the conversation with
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the playing partner. It gets them
out of their thought of the game.
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Right, So everybody's can be a
little bit different. So you cater these
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programs. I would think to the
individual, and how are you wired getting
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to know what works best for you? Sure, there's I think that's a
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personality thing, an individual personality.
I have some players that play the best
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one, they never stop talking.
Yeah, I have other people play the
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best one. They don't say a
word. So learning who you are as
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a person and what benefits you when
you're out there, then go work on
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that in practice that Travis, before
we let you go, let's allow people
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pull the idea, the opportunity to
find out where they can find out more
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about your programs all the way from
your youth programs to your adult programs,
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and in particular that you don't have
to be a member at TPC Wisconsin to
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do that. Correct. The easiest
way to get a hold of us as
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right through the website TPC Wisconsin dot
com. There is a Golf Academy inquiry
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form that you can fill out your
name, What interest do you have,
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whether anything that relates to instruction,
club fitting, junior golf programs, women's
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golf development programs. It's all on
that website. Perfect. Travis Beckery is
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by Keller. I'm Paul Brown.
And joining us now is Mackenzie Hahn,
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former player for the Badger women's off
team and played the first PGA event at
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Pebble Beach. Crazy. That's crazy, Mackenzie. Let's talk about that experience,
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listener. Yeah, right, And
when you look back at that first
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experience, what are your thoughts?
I mean, it's absolutely unbelievable playing in
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a major. They really roll out
the red carpet for you out there,
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and it's awesome to play in and
the course is hard. You know,
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it's a US Open, so they
make they make it difficult conditions. That
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rough is super thick as expected at
the US Open. But I mean it
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was an awesome experience plan. Obviously
I didn't play the best how I wanted
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to, but going into it,
you know, I was very confident being
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able to compete with that field,
and you know, I was just exciting
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overall the planet. McKenzie hn,
it's Mike Heller. How are you thanks
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for jumping in here with us.
I'm curious as to how how you got
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to play a practice round with maybe
the greatest women's golfer of all time and
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Anka storn Stand. Yeah, for
sure. So when you qualify, they
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send you a like that, you
get a link and you have to sign
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up, register for tea times and
everything, so you can just sign up
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for whatever time you want. And
I happened to see on the second day
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that there's two openings with Anica,
and I was like, I knew I
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had to take my chance to play. Unbelievable, and I was like,
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why not. I could probably learned
something from her, and yeah, it
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was. It was so cool to
be able to meet her and play alongside
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her. It was awesome. Yeah, walk us through that experience. It
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was likely her final major championship and
certainly your final US Open is what it
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looks like. But walk us through
that practice round playing with one of the
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greatest that's ever teed it up.
Yeah, So we got to the first
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hole and obviously she introduced herself,
so like obviously we all know who she
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is. I hit third, she
hit right before me, and she hit
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would off the tea and still doggling
right par four and I'm hitting five hour
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and I get up to the team. I'm pretty nervous. I'm just hoping,
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you know. I hit it down
the middle straight and um, I
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hit a good one. So that
was awesome to start off too. And
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she was like great stot you know, all throughout the round. She only
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played nine with us because she had
a dinner to get to, but um,
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hearing great shot from the Vesselmans forever
is pretty confidence boost, you know.
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Um she was. She was fun
to play with, making jokes like
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chatting to everybody and the group out
there, and you know, taking videos
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for her Instagram, and yeah,
it was just really cool experience of player
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with her. See how she navigates
the practice rounds and um, what she
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really focuses on out there. So
I mean it was it was so cool
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to be able to chat with her. Yeah, we're chatting with Mackenzie Hund.
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What did you think of Pebble Beach? Um, I mean it's beautiful.
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It's unbelievable. The views on every
whole. You know, even if
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you hit a bad shot, you're
just walking up the fairway like wow,
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but look at this view. You
know, every every which way you look
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is um spectacular and it's it's definitely
tough. Like I said, how they
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they had it playing there? My
caddy said they vowed in some fair ways
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before the event. You know,
usually for regular reserve play it not obviously
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tough, but not as tough as
they play it. But they opened.
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Um. But yeah, I mean
it's a bucket list spot. You know.
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I dreamed of playing at Pubble Beast
and I couldn't believe I played it
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in a major, So that was
awesome. How did you handle the caddy?
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Did you bring one or did you
get one when you were out there?
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How'd that work? No? So
I during registration, Um, you
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can request request a local caddy,
and so I chose that option and got
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a name from someone from the tournament
and I reshot to him and then he
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emailed me back, and turns out
he actually went to grad school at Wisconsin,
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so it was kind of like a
match made in heaven there, which
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was crazy, you know, coincidence
that we were both Wisconsin Ties. What
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did you learn about your game in
terms of level of competition and for you
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and your skills, what did you
take away from performing at that level?
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Yeah, like being out there.
I know I hit it just as about
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as good as anybody out there.
Definitely, probably short game is where you
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struggle because those greens are small,
so if you happen to miss it,
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you're in some thick grass and trying
to grind to get up and down a
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first round, I definitely missed a
lot of shorter puts and then some situations
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I got into some hard spots to
get up and down from. So definitely
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got to improve the start game for
sure. I knew that was always by
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aspect in my game that I needed
to work on, and that just showed
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that really exemplified you know that that
was still the part that needs some work.
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I drove the ball really well out
there and hit it pretty good.
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You know obviously you hit you know, hit every shot great. But yeah,
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it's definitely you know, I can
compete with these girls, and that's
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a big part of it. Where
are you in that process of what is
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next in going through the process,
Is that you want to be out there
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and competing on a regular basis,
Yeah, for sure. Um I leave
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on Sunday to go to another WPT
event, So I'm just hoping that I
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can play well there and if you
know, if you get top one or
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two in those events, you get
to play in the next apps and events.
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So you know, it's the goals
obviously work your way up to to
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play on LPGA, but there's some
steps you have to go through here.
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I'm in my first full years of
Crows, so just working my way up.
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Dennis, you know Mackenzie and you
know her abilities and that kind of
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thing. Uh, your thoughts are
advice that you could give her if she
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were talking to you. After playing
in that US Open. I got to
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see her here not too long ago. They had a club fitting and I
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thought it was really good. We
like got my mouth going on a little
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bit to help her, help her
a little bit, but she hit the
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ball really good. But it's that
short game that that when you hit the
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ball that good and you can't short
lower than that's where it's at. And
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that was a question, how did
you make three triple bogies? Um?
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00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:22.559
One of them, Yeah, one
of them. The whole number five had
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my number, I think whole days. I made a triple the first day
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and a double the second day.
But it's right, that green is really
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small, and you know, all
over the all over around the green is
726
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dangerous. So if you don't,
you know, hit the green, you're
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in some pretty tough spots. I
first day, I think I pulled it
728
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a little left. I was in
some thick rough, you know, going
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on a down slope to a pin
that's on a down slope towards the ocean.
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Um, I just hit a little
too far and it went over the
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green into the other rough, and
then that's all another hard ship, you
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00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:55.800
know, And then I didn't sit
very close, and then it was three
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puts. So it was a shart
game double as for sure. It was
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just like things like that that you
know, can be easily cleaned up and
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get rid of those high numbers.
Are you still working with Travy? Do
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you work with him. Yeah,
yeah, I see him. Um what
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00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.480
I can up in Madison because he's
so close, super super convenient. I
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saw him um to work on my
putting and chipping um right before I left,
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00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:24.559
which is helpful. I asked them
some questions about you know, hidden
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out of that thak for rough and
stuff, so that was very helpful.
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Oh good. Oh when you come
up here again, I know a guy
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00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:37.039
who knows a lot about putting and
stuff. Oh yeah, maybe we'll give
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you. I'll see if I can
be around McKenzie. Yeah, that's not
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00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:44.880
what you meant that. That was
really good going, very good for women's
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skull. Yeah I think so,
McKenzie. Yeah, we'll introduce to one
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another one you come up. Well, what a cool thing that you What
747
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a cool thing that that you got
to do? Hey, you earned it,
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right, I mean you can start
with that. They didn't. You
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didn't get it win a lottery.
You earned your in there, which is
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fantastic. And then what an incredibly
memorable experience to have your first PGA Tour
751
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event, to be a major championship, the US Open at Pebble Beach.
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It's it's crazy stuff. Yeah,
yeah, thank you so much appreciation.
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Well, McKenzie the best of Lockdown. Thanks on behalf of Dennis. Why
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can myself for coming on the show. Good luck to you. Yeah,
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thank you, thank you for having
me McKenzie hun Man. We'll be back
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when you order them. You can
order for a foursome or a couple of
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foursomes or a twosome or whatever,
and then the passes will be sent to
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you by the people here at TPC
Wisconsin. And you guys, it's a
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it's a great golf course. And
now for sixty bucks and support the Golf
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Effect Charity. How how can you
You can't lose there? Yeah, it
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really is. It's you know,
the first time I went there, I
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played it from all the way back. You did, okay, yeah,
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but only about six holes. Then
we had to move up to enjoy the
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court. It is not it's a
hard course, but from again you pick
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the right ts, all of a
suddenly got to be fun again. You
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know. Yeah, nice place,
Mike Ofviewer, you've played it, Yeah,
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I've played I've played that. Uh, there's some great listen if you
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want to play golf in Wisconsin,
there's no shortage of finding great places to
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play. And the the originals,
the Lasnias, the Springs, which the
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House on the Rock Resort, some
of those originals are still fun and worthwhile
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to go back to. But we've
just had a lot of very very nice
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golf courses that have been built in
the last twenty five years that have changed
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the place that this partner mine made
an eagle on the first hole. I've
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heard about the first toll up there, but I heard he wasn't that good?
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Isn't that's right? My golf history, my big story, my drive,
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my three would my pot on the
first toll of the golf tournament.
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And that's something. And I'm totally
euphoric. And Tis looks at me and
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I won't see the exact words,
but basically said, you're not that damn
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good. Well, we can fill
in the blanks. We've heard Tis talk
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for Dave McCann along with Dennis Tizzianni, Mike Heller. I'm Paul Brown,
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and we're out of time for tonight. Thank you for joining us, and
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get those passes. Go to the
golf effect dot org website and order them
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and go up and play Wild Rock. You're thoroughly going to enjoy it.
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We're out of time here from TPC
Wisconsin, and we'll do it again next
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week at the same time. So
from all of us to all of you,
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thanks for listening, and that is
talking golf tonight at TPC Wisconsin.
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Join us again next week at six
o'clock