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So And if you're listening to this episode and you like what you hear, please please go through our catalog and you know, we try to set a nice base, I think, for what we think about things and it some things have evolved even since we've started the show, but Yeah. We try to add nuance to things as well. We're not just, you know, ⁓ in a world of of clickbait and ⁓ rage bait and it's just a big bait shop out there. So a loosh bait shop or loosh firm. Yeah. Yeah. And we're just ⁓ We're just enjoying the scenery. That's exactly it. Yeah. ⁓ so yeah, we've got ⁓ we've got a few things to talk about today. You know, the world keeps ⁓ worlding and there's a lot to cover ⁓ in Canada and beyond. So ⁓ yeah, I mean one thing I'm interested in seeing how this plays out before we kind of get into stuff, ⁓ FIFA starts here right away. So There should be some some fuckery afoot with that, I would ⁓ suspect. I I I was in Vancouver yesterday actually and it yeah, they've got FIFA fever. It's everywhere. Yeah, soccer balls all over the place. Yeah. And I can't even imagine what the ferry will be like during that. Yeah, and what Vancouver will be like during that, but it's insane the amount of money that the government It's billions of dollars. Eight hundred and forty million I for Toronto is what they gave for Toronto. Like I you would think that something like soccer's the b the biggest sport in the world, football soccer. Yeah. Yeah. You you can sell out every World Cup game, I would think. You you think that'd be enough is what I'm getting at. Like why do they need more money? Why why are tax dollars going to Yeah, I d I mean I I've been reading that it's ⁓ like the hotels aren't as booked as they thought they were, like ticket sales aren't hitting the numbers they kind of suspected they would. So I think, you know, I mean it's you people don't have the money for that shit, right? No. It's no, yeah. And ⁓ you know, I I like soccer. Soccer's fun. I played soccer as a kid, but I mean, you know, when it comes to professional sports, I think a lot of people are just kind of like coming to terms with the fact that a lot of it is rigged, a lot of it is just like, you know, it's bread and circuses, man. Exactly. Yeah, especially with the way the world is now. Not that I'm, you know, I'm not condemning anyone who watches it to each his own. I was a We we taught I've said numerous times I was big into sports ball for a long time, right? Like what of I used to watch every World Cup game, every qualifier game, and so on and so forth. Yeah. ⁓ But with what's going on in the world, you just think that there'd be bigger bigger problems to solve, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. But Vancouver does conveniently have a giant dome in the middle of downtown. ⁓ so that, you know. Lucky for them, soccer balls are also round and Yeah. It allows for some ⁓ some nifty marketing, so they supposedly shipped the homeless some of the homeless people outside of Vancouver. I don't know if you saw that. Some were shipped to Duncan apparently, given some money and and landed in Duncan, others in Kelowna, Kamloops, like they did it during the Olympics, they did it and they all ended up in Chilliwack. ⁓ with the Sasquatch. Yes. Yeah. With the Sasquatch and the meth dealers in Chilliwack. But ⁓ yeah, I'm not surprised, you know. I think ⁓ we'll see we'll see. We'll see what happens. I know some people are excited, some people aren't, some people are indifferent, and that's just ⁓ that's just the way she goes. I'm excited to see if that prediction will come true of of ours. Yeah. Well ours slash me. Yeah. Kind of half baked, shooting my mouth off. But yeah, it was a it's cause that's on the solstice. That's coming up. It is. Yeah, three weeks I think today. It is. Yeah, I mean if the there's no no better time to To pull some sort of either false flag or some sort of ⁓ you know, global show and when the whole world is wa is watching. So but ⁓ yeah, I mean maybe speaking of Vancouver, the story we're gonna kind of cover today and the topic we're gonna cover today comes out of Vancouver. and I'm sure, you know, if you're you've been paying attention out there, this is ⁓ this has crossed your your ⁓ desk already but this ⁓ Nicholas Jordan Wagter is that how you pronounce his last name? Yeah Wa Wagter or Wagter. I would think Walkter. Yeah. Yeah I think it's a Dutch name. So so this is a yeah Dutch name for a very Asian looking guy. But ⁓ this ⁓ this is the guy that was involuntarily ⁓ committed to a mental health facility in Vancouver just pulled over by the police and kind of dragged out of his car and committed and after a coffee shop assessment, which is you know, that we we we've ⁓ there's also that ⁓ that guy that that qualified for maid just outside of a Tim Hortons. Yeah, was was same way was assessed inside the maid. Yeah. And then spoken to and apparently I and we will we'll post the link that at the end of the show. It was in it was in the news. ⁓ And yeah, was offered made and took it the next day. And he was in his forties. Yeah, that's sad. Yeah. I mean, if you're eating Tim Hortons regularly anyway, you're gonna die pretty soon anyway. Tim Hortons. They're rebranding. Did you see that? They're doing a whole new I'm not sorry to get I don't want to get sidetracked, but I know it's okay. When we do these shows, I think I like we try to both mention everything that we've kind of seen right over the past little while. They're ⁓ they're pausing their temporary worker program to hire like they're making a they're doing a big rebranding. Huh thing to go ⁓ against. I guess Dunkin' Donuts is making a big splash into Canada. Yeah, they got ⁓ they got competition now. So yeah, so they're they're rebranding and and also if you go there and a psychiatrist is there that you might get off. Yeah. By made. Yeah, just I mean another reason to not go to Tim Hortons in my book, but ⁓ we did and so yeah, so we're gonna talk about Nicholas Wagged her today or Walker today, but something and it it'll be brought up in this is There's no mention in that maid story of that of anyone speaking for that man, right? Who was no offered it and and if if he does have mental illness, like i I don't know, it just seems real seems real grimy and and it it upsets me that the country that I live in it does those things. It's very it's very like just before World War Two Germany kinda. feel to it, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Everything's kind of got that vibe and heading into that mixed with like a sort of a Hunger Games type situation going on. Where it's just, you know, I think it's sad that that that I mean, I always, you know, anytime someone take chooses to take their own life rather than rather than like, you know, help themselves or or try and f I understand that there's there's maybe a scenario for, you know, so when my d my dad was in hospice And he was offered made this was back in 2016, 2017. ⁓ so like the early iterations of it, right? And and he was, you know, my dad was terminally ill. He had brain cancer, lung cancer was spreading through his body, he was in pain, he was losing his faculties. Like I at the time I definitely understood why someone like watching someone degrade that quickly. And just become basically a shell of of yourself. I could understand why you would want to just end it, at least on your own terms to an extent. ⁓ what ended up happening is like you know, having witnessed the process, there it would they were definitely trying to sell it on him. ⁓ but it did seem more in like a humane approach in that. Like I obviously I don't know. Who's getting paid to d y for what or what you know, ⁓ how that kind of works. Money is always changing hands in the the ⁓ health world. But like the it was it was ⁓ one of those things where you have to be of sound mind to sign off on it. And fortunately, unfortunately, whatever, you whichever way you want to look at it, he kind of degraded so quickly that he wasn't of sound mind to finally sign off on it. So kind of cross that legal barrier and he ended up just dying naturally. but his like neighbor, like the door the guy next door at the at the hospice facility had pancreatic cancer and he was I mean, I I from what I understand that's like one of the most painful types of cancer. And I wa I mean, I heard that guy moaning and, you know, he was in a lot of pain and he went through with that. ⁓ And he was a young guy, like probably mid forties, late forties kind of thing, and went through with it. And again, like there's a there was a part of me where I was like, Yeah, like, you know, as a way to end your suffering. But then also as I've, you know, my spirituality has developed over the years. There is also now I look at it as more of this like ⁓ you know, nature has to take its course kind of thing. Can't play God. Can't play God and there's I don't know what the repercussions of that are in energetically speaking. Mm-hmm. In an in another life. And then Yeah, I don't I don't know either. I know that I feel the same as you and in that regard. I but that being said, I haven't personally been in that position. Yeah. I like my mom passed similar, you know what I mean? Similar, not similar to your f your dad, but like when my mom passed, it was very short and sudden and ⁓ there was none of that going on. ⁓ but When you were talking about pancreatic cancer, and you said that gentleman got made and went through with it. ⁓ a friend of ours, a fri a friend of my wife, actually, and I I'm friends with her as well, ⁓ was given less than a five percent chance to live through pancreatic cancer. ⁓ chose meditation and diet and operation. I think it was a nine and a half hour operation. Wow. and that was thirteen years ago and she's still alive. Yeah. Right. So I'm I'm not saying like I'm not and I'm not condemning anyone's choice. That's their choice to make. And I think that's part of today's episode, right? Is about like people's right to choose what they want. Yes. And and you know, like that if he's mentally ill and you're saying he can still choose maid, you've diagnosed him as as schizophrenic and you you know what I mean. In this case, this Nicholas Jordan Wagter case, like he's being held. We're gonna break it down shortly, but he's being held regardless of if of whatever, ⁓ against his will. Like he and he has not been violent at this point. He's not done anything. You can look through his all of his social media, a couple, you know what I mean, angry comments, but when you watch his videos, he's quite clear and calm, eerily calm, actually. Yeah. and you know, spits out some kind of almost robotic statements, robotic sounding statements, but he's not violent. He's not anything. Yeah, and I I think that's, you know, that's again the the nuance that we we're trying to add to this is it is like it's there's a difference between voluntary and involuntary. And we can, you know, you can dispute the morality behind it. You can dispute the humanity behind it, whatever. But when it comes down to it, like if someone is not a threat then and you and you take them off the streets against their will, you know, and from what I from what I understand, like this guy like it was a family member that had kind of like raised concern over his his behavior, right? Like I I believe so, yeah. It's not overly clear about like the no nothing's completely clear. He mentions in some of his videos and and some of his social media the Wactor ⁓ hyp hyp ⁓ Wactor hyphen Brown family. Okay. It is who's but I know he had some charges filed against him for harassment in Toronto. Like well in in one sec we'll kind of break it down. You know what I mean? So there's all these little pieces. But he was like they diagnosed him in a coffee shop as well. It's not like he went to they were like, you know, listen, Nick Nicholas, we need you to come and just talk with us. Explain us, you know, we've seen your pamphlets, we've seen what you're talking about. Why don't you come in and talk to us and explain everything? It it wasn't that. It wasn't him voluntarily going there. It was them seeing what he was printing and handing out, watching his actions in a in a coffee shop exactly like the other guy and determining that that he needed to be held against his will. And it's this car, I think it's called car twenty eight in Vancouver. It's like a a mental health crisis kind of, you know what I mean? Like tool used to help with people in the street. And this is a sensitive topic, right? Because mental health isn't something to joke around with. ⁓ and people I think I personally feel that most people suffer suffer from mental health issues of varying degrees throughout their life. Just some people figure out how to get through it and some people spiral, right? And and well and I think and it's a it's a big difference too when you're talking about like, you know, people on the street that don't have the resources to to sort of help themselves. ⁓ and then but but this guy is like he's from an affluent family. He's Very obviously like if you look at the past few years of his life, the the traveling he's done, the way he went about his day to day life, screams trust fund kid to me, right? Like Yeah, he w he went to Western, was in a frat. Like Yeah. I'm not judging anyone who's but but definitely his like his dad owned a a a fairly not large, well I think it was twenty employee company, but you know what I mean? They they had money. His grandfather he says in one of his posts, came here with nothing and built an empire then you know what I mean? So I wouldn't say empire, but yeah, he he he definitely had advantages that someone in the street wouldn't have. Yeah. He, you know, was well dressed even in his videos. He doesn't he's not disheveled. You know what I mean? He takes care of himself. He's in good shape. When you see his yeah his videos, right? He I don't know what the guy eats, but ⁓ It did seem in the last couple of videos that he might have been living out of his car. I know a lot of his social media talked about his credit cards being they were, you know, messing with his credit cards again, but who knows? yeah, it he he didn't seem like in a state where he needed help. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, yeah, when you see the video of of him being pulled over, which maybe w we'll play ⁓ just to kind of, you know, lay the foundation of it, but It did look like he had a I mean his car was full of shit. Like he had like a yeah HEPA filter in there. He had a bunch of stuff jammed in the back seat and and that could just you know, some people just have messy cars, so I'm not whatever, but I yeah, something is I I when it first popped into my feed, something felt off about it right away. And that's kinda like how I try and approach all of these topics because we live in, you know. Psyop valley right now where everything is just a Psyop of a Psyop of a of a Psyop, and it's all about just like creating division and stoking different sides and different opinions and whatever. So that's when I first saw it, I was like, you know, anyone being I yeah, I'm not a huge fan of police and and you know authoritarian overreach of any kind. So You know, yeah, there was a definitely a part where I was like, ⁓ this is bullshit. Like you can't just do that to somebody. And then you start looking into it, and then it's like, ⁓ well, I mean, maybe this guy what and we'll we'll get into, you know, because two things can be true at the same time. And I think that's one of the main themes that we're learning as we like, you know, as we go through these episodes and stuff is like You come into it as a conspiratorial person or as a contrarian or whatever however you want to word it. And your instant reaction to a lot of this stuff, and it's because we've, you know, we've been that's how we've been exposed to this stuff is through media and through the internet. And, you know, squeaky wheel gets the grease. So you kind of you react. Mm-hmm. And I think it's important as we as the world gets weirder and weirder is to take that second to like, you know, like when we when we did that interview with with Joe, how we said, like you take that minute to just stop and assess your nervous system and you know, really just kinda feel it out. And so that's what I was trying to do with this one. And me as well, because it when it it it came across both our social media feeds and on different social media sites. Like I'm I almost exclusively go on Twitter. That's it. Right. And you you're on multiple ones, including Instagram. But he popped up everywhere. Yeah. And I I immediately thought of Mel Brochet from twenty twenty one, right? It's had very similar vibes to that. A doctor who in Vancouver who said that that ⁓ There was, I believe it was 13 miscarriages over a 24-hour period at Lionsgate Hospital in in Vancouver. And he started protesting, handing up pamphlets, like it became everything. This so this Mal Bruchet guy was a retired doctor and he retired the year before, a family doctor for a long time, I think like 40 years in North Vancouver. And people started to get upset with him, right? And this was in relation to the COVID vax. Yeah. So he was very anti COVID vax and he was he was he was saying that it was at the same time that it was rolled out. here for those people. Yeah. And he was told by numerous doulas and midwives that this was going on. This was the you know, respected doctor, I think you have to take him at his word. We take police officers at their word in court because they're respected as police officers, right? I feel it should be the same as a doctor. He'd had no history of mental illness before then. And I think it was a month or a month and a half later there was an a small alt not even altercation. He called the police on a tenant of his And two days later he was the one carted off to the psychiatric ward. And he was never the same. Yeah. ⁓ he did get out. A lot of people who stood by him before no longer spoke to him. He tried to counter sue about being put into ⁓ to to psychiatric care and he lost that case because they said it's a moot point. And that's what happens with everything in COVID in Canada. They if you try to fight anything now or try to get any answers or you know what I mean? ⁓ even an apology for fuck's sakes. Yeah. Right. It's ⁓ it's a moot point. It's over. Cause they don't want to set precedent. Right. Because the minute they they say something, they've now set precedent because that's how it works here. So yeah. Yeah. I don't know, I don't know what you want to add to it. Just that's what I thought about, right? So when it came up, I was like, okay, is this exactly like Mel Bruchet? And my blood got boiling a little bit. But same thing. I remembered talking to Joe and just we're working on this now, right? Like not getting so upset about things. Take a sec to sec to think about it. Do a bit of research into it. And it It seems it seemed to me after doing that that it was a little bit contrived. Not hit what he was doing, but it it wasn't organic that we were all seeing it. I think it was being, my opinion is it was it hit a ticked a couple boxes through the AI or through the algorithm. And they're like, ⁓ if we push this out, that's gonna really You mean it's gonna be talked about and the right's gonna get mad and a hundred percent. I yeah, I I And that's what's happened. A hundred yeah, no, definitely. And I think that's you know, again, it's like it's not that it's not the actual act of of detaining the guy, which you know has its own issues. Again, two things can be true at the same time. But what what struck me initially was just like why this right now? And that's always the question I ask myself when something blows up in the algorithm. Is why this right now? And it was, you know, the Bill C nine, Bill C twenty two stuff was just like and they and they were, you know, the liberals were kind of facing certain level of defeat on that. and blowback and you know, this Like like clockwork, the the right wing ⁓ influencers and stuff ran with this immediately. ⁓ here's we're in nineteen eighty-four. Social well they said, yeah, social media influencer, alt-right media influencer, you know, arrested for alternate views. And but when you look into it, like that's ki did have those views. He was not an alt-right media influencer. We talked about it off the show. He had he got no engagement at all from any of his social media sites. And he has numerous Instagram sites and he has six Twitter accounts. None of them got any engagement in anything ever. Yeah. Until this happened. We were meant ⁓ you said about timing. This happened the same week as that article about the maid, the maid guy, right? Getting and it was the same week that Kenneth Law. Who was that in Toronto, he was a nurse who got charged, like nurse or a doctor who got charged with like 61 involving assisted suicide. So he was he was doing it outside the framework of MAID, I believe. Yeah. And they stayed his charges. Like they let him go. Yeah. So those things also happen, right? Plus the the the different bills that got passed. And one of the bills that did get passed is one that he talked about. And that's the big thing about this, is he There are things that he brings up that are very true. Like corruption Chinese corruption in Canada, there's a lot of evidence of that. That's not a theory, that's a fact, right? There's Chinese police stations. Yep. They they have a huge influence, especially in this side of the country. Well, and there is a lot of hypocrisy with it too, because I mean Carney back in the day was running on basically saying, like, yeah, we need to be careful about Chinese influence on Canadian government and and ⁓ and policies and and you know it's it's been it's it's in the news it's been common knowledge that there has been you know concern raised over the CCP and and there you know and then there was you know Carney gets into office and there is a big kind of like 180 on that topic where now we're direct partners and you know they're they're looking at investment opportunities and and all this stuff with China and and then yeah then you bring in with it the the police facilities and stuff like that and and and so there is something to be said about that and I think I think too like it so one of the big things he brought up in this ⁓ I have I have a ⁓ have this you have the special super special yeah so that he had two things that he He he was a he was a brilliant mind. That that's not dispute like of dispute. He had a master's from got a master's from U of T ⁓ in and it a lot it involved AI research and he had I don't have his whole he went to Western as well and got a a a high up degree as well at Western. Smart guy. And you're gonna talk about a super special relativity paper or the the actual paper that he was handing out. Yeah, so I mean he's a this kid had like patents filed for for some pretty like pretty wild stuff ⁓ that we can get into in a bit. He also, you know, like he researched papers and thesis papers on on like very complex topics. So he wasn't it this wasn't some like You know, he this wasn't some like YouTube researcher, some guy that's you know, listened to too many podcasts like us and comes up with wild theories. Like he was actually doing the work. Yeah. so but he did what basically what was happening is he he printed he had these printouts, right? That he was going around and leaving at like MPs offices and on people's vehicles, which is like when you're Target when you know where someone's parked, that's a little we creepy. Yeah. You know, so that means you're being followed, but at the same time, like it that he he wasn't. I agree with you, and I I know, but he he was doing it the way I he was doing it in a peaceful way. To to me, it seemed like he was very much into his research and very much into to that, and something fell apart in his life, yeah. Right around September 20 2025, and he put all of his effort into this. So I wanna I wanna I wanna read out what these leaflets kind of like what they were prefaced with because this is where like even just the way this is worded is kind of unhinged in this isn't something a normal person does like th there's channels to go through for certain things and if you wanted to like set up a meeting with an MP or whatever, like there's ways to do that. Yep. There's he could have also just like posted it online. None of this was new though, too. That's the other thing. When I went through all this stuff, I'm not trying to rip him. Like I'm glad that he woke up. But none of what he put was new. It's all common knowledge. It's been common knowledge for a long time. He he just, you know what I mean, was very upfront and forward about going to the people responsible or that he felt were responsible for. Whereas most of us start a podcast right to talk about it or we shoot the shit with our friends like I ⁓ about it, but we don't actually do anything. Like he I I feel like he yeah, a few things in his life fell apart and this is what he latched on to. And And this is what people have latched onto that he was about. So so the so yeah, the the the paper itself that he was leaving on people's windshields and stuff was basically the public alert. China and the corrupt Canadian government are trying to turn Vancouver into a Chinese dictatorship police state. There's an argument there, right? For sure. For trying to or already have. Yeah. And then following their model. So what he was basically and then the other part of it too is that he w that basically that Carney was selling Vancouver to China via the Aboriginal People's Undrip Act. Which is something we've talked about on the show as well. That, you know, I I also believe that there's l a high likelihood that the whole UNDRIP thing is just a facade and and a cover story for s yeah, a way to sell land. I think it's for mineral rights and things like that is is my And that's what he alludes to, I believe, is that China is gonna is g he already has backroom deals with First Nations to to mine and and basic, yeah, what any resources from those places are going to China. And so that that part of that's not unhinged. No. You know, that's or new. Or new. No. But so he prefaces this paper, though. There's a big warning with a bunch of asterisks at the top. This is not solicitation. If find this document, which there's a typo right in your first sentence, guy. ⁓ if if find this document unattended, do not remove it from the property where it was placed unless you are the owner of said property. Removing this document will make you criminally liable for an indictable offense carrying a penalty of up to 10 years in prison. And then in brackets, obstruction of justice, which he has zero jurisdiction to claim make that claim. Like that's that is that's an unhinged thing to start your paper off with. And also you catch more flies with honey. And and when you read his like so it's when you read his like his papers before, right? Like his super special relativity paper and whatever, and you read even some of his posts, they're a lot. They're more put together than this. Yeah. Right? Like this is This is the seems like the the ranting of ⁓ The fonts are all off, the margins are all off. This is something that like, you know This is it feels very thrown together. And again, this might ⁓ I don't know that he was actually He was he was handing them out forever. Like I watch videos of him for weeks going to schools and handing them out. Like he was going to schools, he was going to MPs. He he visited every MP in Vancouver. Because my my initial thought was like this is something that they could easily whip up to make someone look crazy. Like, you know how there's there'll be like the false flag shooting, let's just say, and then the next day there's a manifesto that's very well typed and yeah, yeah. This is very yeah. It it kind of read like that to me at first. but do you do you think that maybe though they just like they saw this and to make people who to make people like us and him who think these things like us look more crazy. Do you know what I mean? Do you think they just seized that opportunity to to do it or do you think he actually posed a threat to them? Or do you think they just were sick and tired of him? doing this and just wanted to throw him in a hospital room or something else because yeah not well I wanna stay on this, but like he he posted videos after he was already in the hospital. He posted I have it on the phone, on my phone. He has a video of him, I think the first night he's in the hospital. It's the last visit video he posted on Instagram that I saw. And it's him in his room checking away curtains. Yeah, which I thought was weird because wouldn't they take your phone if you were like involuntarily committed? And especially in a mental health facility. Like, wouldn't you wouldn't you be like, you know? I you know, like when you get w if you're if you're thrown in jail, they take your phone, they take your keys, they take all your shit. So why are you able to post online live stream, right? Like that that part of it was strange to me, and that's what made me think initially that ⁓ this is a s this is just set up, this is to induce rage in people. He could have, he's a smart guy. He could have just got stolen someone's phone. Yeah. Or you know what I mean? Or h hid another phone. Maybe, you know what I mean? There's ways to hide things. Who knows? And people stick all kinds of stuff up their butts. Yeah. All he needs to do is access his his social media to to post it. And then maybe it got confiscated, and that's why he didn't post again after. I think that was May 24th. And yeah, and that was the last one. And multiple people on Twitter that I've seen have I don't know why, but have tried to get information. I do know why they want to get information, but they've they want to talk to him. They want to know whatever. And they've just been asked, Are you family? No. Okay. You have nothing to do with it. So like they they haven't released any information, which they shouldn't. I wouldn't think anyway. Like well, not to the general public. That makes that again, like there's processes and channels to things and and we can say, like, sit here and and say, like, well, why it doesn't anyone have access? It's like because someone trying to access him might be crazy as well. You know what I mean? Like 100%. Yeah, yeah. That's it's not to say that anyone that yeah. I I just so I I understand there's parts of it that I understand and I But I do think you're right that there was an opportunity seized to maybe put an end to this discourse or try and discourage people from talking about it, even though ⁓ like you said, people have been talking about this shit for Months and months now. It's not anything new. Mark Kearney was in China as well. But when this went on, he'd just come back from or was in China and signed a memorandum of understanding with China to work with right. So maybe, maybe that was it. Like they'll ⁓ well, if anyone says anything about this, right? Because people here don't not everyone, but some people don't love it. Like the relationship that our country has with China. You know, they they did this just to kinda yeah. And I mean the media in Canada is owned at this point too. Like that that's another thing that's not that's not speculation. That's we know that CBC, Global, all these like legacy media companies have received bailout money, they're bought and paid for. You can tell just simply the way the narrative is is ⁓ discussed on air. Mm-hmm. Up until recently, which is something that we'll also kind of get into. But that'll be the end of end of the show. Yeah. But I but you know, for the last call it decade, there's been a very liberal biased kind of liberal leaning narrative to the mainstream media. And that is, you know, you don't bite the hand that feeds. That's It's not it's it's not controversial to say that. Every anyone who's anyone kinda knows that at this point, including the people that work for these dog shit companies. ⁓ sorry, we'll continue with the Yeah, so so anyways, this He so he like he talks about the Winnipeg Winnipeg lab breach. That was something That I would tell anyone who would listen to me five years ago was talking about it. Do you know what I mean? So that's not like once again, not a new thing. The case of Michael Chong and Zhao, not a new thing. Like all these things are it, it's so these are all true. All the things he's talking about are true. Yeah. He goes into Bill Cene on all true. Everything is true. Yeah. So like It he really just like a lot of his stuff just reads like someone who's like kinda new to the conspiracy world, right? That's what I was getting at. A smart, smart, smart sorry. Well yeah, just like absorb too much information too quickly and had a bit of a psychotic break. Which again, like the stuff you when you start when your eyes open to this stuff, it it does. It hit it comes you open the floodgates and that shit just like pours in and you really have to like manage your nervous system because A lot of it is like it's heavy shit. It's and it alters your just your whole everything about your life, it changes it, right? Like any every a lot of ideas that you've held about a lot of things are now shattered or different or whatever. And yeah, it that's definitely what this reads like to me. Like a very someone really smart had a holy shit moment. Yeah. Because they went down AI rabbit holes, which that's another thing with with with Nicholas, is it seems like he relied on AI a lot. Like a lot. Says at the end of his super special special relativity paper that itself was written by AI. He has a lot of AI things. AI can answer a lot of questions, and I think that's what he yeah. And AI, it's the way it's programmed is that it's gonna lean towards agreeing with you. So you start getting on a certain topic and connecting these dots, and it's gonna like help you connect the dots. That's its job. Provided it's not anti Semitic. Yeah, exactly. Honestly, that's the only caveat. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that'll yeah. Or perceived as anti Semitic. But he even had like posts about like Moloch and like Like the Epstein stuff, right? Like he was very much into the into that. So he is and and these are like not old po like this is January 7th, 2026, when he's posting about it. So it it again, like it struck me as someone who's like new to this world. And that's not surprising given his his educational background and stuff like that. He's a very sort of indoctrinated person. He grew up in a very privileged home. went to these institutions to get his education, worked in, you know, startups and and and in fields that you kind of have to go along to get along if you want to succeed in those fields. They don't they're not like chopping at the bit to like higher conspiracy theorists at at tech startups. You know what I mean? Yeah. He and that's all he that's all his social media was was talking about tech startups and and music. He had a weird kind of year before semi-failed. Looked like he tried to be like a a DJ of some sort and that didn't work. Anyway, a lot of Trust Funk kids try and be DJs. It's weird. And considering how smart the kid was at everything else, right? And but a lot of his stuff was him ta you know, not bragging, but him, you know, talking about being done school, ⁓ going here, whatever. And then yeah, September twenty five twenty twenty five, it totally changed. And it it just goes down. It you can tell he started learning stuff and it sent him haywire. Well and that and it coupled with some pretty traumatic like personal stuff too, right? Like so his family's like you had mentioned, his father was selling their family company. Yeah, Lumar technologies, yeah. And it was one of those things where I think he was, you know, he was sort of expected to go into the family business and then didn't. And then maybe there was some sort of like a you know, a rift between him and his him and his dad for doing that. Him and his brother too in social media. There's a few comments, not many, but the few comments you get the feeling him and his brother didn't talk or as well, right? So he was having family issues. His grandfather passed away. Who was the I think his his male that's who who he spoke high the most highly of in his social media posts. Yeah. And then you pair that with the world that we live in. Yeah. And then also relying on AI for your information. information and also I mean he was having direct conversations with AI and that's something I've never like I'll use AI to look stuff up but I will I will I refuse to have a conversation with AI as well I never say please or thank you. I I never I ref I refuse. I for a bit I put I messed with that for a little bit where I was like saying things like thanks bro and shit like that just because I was curious how it would react but I I've never asked AI for advice I've never asked AI like it's not a human I'm not conversing with it like it is human. Send me to the records or the place where I can read what you've where that's why I always want to know where they've got their info from on AI so I can read the firsthand. Yeah. Give me the link. Organize the shit. Yes. That's it. Let me read it. Yeah. Yeah. But or make me a funny picture. ⁓ he also so he also had a patent that he filed the year before ⁓ that had run out. ⁓ and that patent was for an audio dissection tool and search engine. So it I I I had to use AI to look this up. So it says that it refers to AI powered software that can break down ⁓ complex audio recordings into individual components and make the content searchable. And that's like it it can expand to phones and to like actually getting into everything that's ever been said over a phone essentially is he was trying to get the patent for a device or sorry an AI program to do that. An AI study is what he was into, right? His last year and his masters. ⁓ he for sure used it for almost all of his research when he he brings up some other stuff we didn't have it's not on that sheet that we were just talking about, but he has like two weeks of posts about Mark Kearney's dad being a pedophile. And no, sorry, not being a pedophile, being pedophile adjacent. Okay. But and I'm not saying that's not true or is true or I it is bad if true, but it seems like that's also something that is very common in anyone who's any high position at that time. Cause there was a lot of that shit going on and people looked the other way for whatever reason. Right? Yeah. Whether they were in on it or it would ruin whatever was going on. Like he and it was all AI, you could see like it was all AI answers. It wasn't Yeah. Anyway. Well, it's interesting that that's what his patent was for because it's like, you know, that's playing right into the hands of the the surveillance state, which he's apparently against. So it's it's almost like he had a change of heart. Yeah. And and maybe a little guilt-driven. Totally, right? Because he because he he comes across as someone who's like, ⁓ I'm gonna like, I'm gonna fix this. I'm gonna He's not just talking about it and spreading information. He's out there like Boots on the ground trying to make make a difference. And I that usually, you know, you see that in a lot of what activist behavior is you see, you know, the people that you see out at these protests and stuff a lot of the time are like they're acting out of guilt. It's you have a pr well a lot of them have a very, very privileged life and then feel bad that they have, you know. lived their life in such a way. So now they're gonna be a voice for the underrepresented. The disenfranchised. Exactly. Right. It's like it's a pretty, pretty common thing. So I just because before I I kind of ruined it what he actually went to school for. ⁓ so he went to he graduated from with this is directly from him writing it. So I'm taking from his words. ⁓ I graduated with honors from Western University, earning an honor specialization in medical biophysics. ⁓ and in parentheses, it says physical science concentration from the best program in Canada. During my studies, I spearheaded two separate research thesis. One is designing the light delivery architecture for a photoacoustic probe for use in breast cancer surgery, and two, developing a high-frequency ultrasound algorithm to measure skeletal muscle perfusion in microtumors. ⁓ it and both of them use software and hardware. So it's like a ⁓ like software hardware interface kind of seems to be what his specialty was. I'm bringing this up because he definitely like you're doing that if you you want to do something better, exactly what you said, right? Like he he wasn't he it seemed like he wanted to help, right? Like and help the world kind of thing. And and and I I pause it and say that. He wanted to, but it seems like those ideas kind of kept falling aside because the patent I don't believe was approved. His super special relatively re relativity paper, like he tried to pitch these ideas. You can see because he traveled around North America to different people and no one took it except for this Alex Rocket guy, right? Like and that's and then that's where kind of the craziness I shouldn't use that word. That's where you can see he really went off the deep end or started to, right? Was him talking about this Alex Rocket guy and he used Uses the exact stuff that is patents about this audio dissection separation. So he he talks about Alex Rocket. has this power to go through your phone and control your thoughts, everyone's thoughts, not just his. Like he was obsessed with traffic cameras, right? Like it was very kind of and you could see it. It was very things are nuanced, but this was black and white. Like it was talking about super special relativity. And two weeks later it was just this stuff. No more physics, no more anything. And then it went from that into the conservative, very right leaning, you know what I mean, China's in Canada. And we gotta get rid of them. So there's so there's a weird trail here that I wanna kinda follow a little bit with the super special relativity. So he says the the abstract for this paper is I'll just read it. It says this paper proposes a new theoretical framework for understanding time perception centered on information processing in the brain. We introduce the concept of perceptual time as distinct from inertial clock time and develop a model relating perceptual time experience to the brain's computational capacity and information processing rate. ⁓ this framework explains phenomena like time dilation and compression during intense experiences in terms of neural information processing, bridging perceptual time with physical theories of time. So The difference between just keeping time and then, you know, like what's what's essentially quantum physics, right? Like perceptual time and and being and space and time. And it's applic those and when you look through it too, it's those I have the whole paper here as well. It's those applications as far as AI goes. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? So it's taking those applications and not using it for people. When you read through it's it's but it's taking them and applying them to AI to see like if AI something to do with can AI alter time, like how does AI perceive time? ⁓ there's stuff in there about like like it's essentially like the if you're doing something that's keeping you very mentally busy, time passes by quicker. Like some of it's common sense stuff, but then you add some other things like energy consumed can change how you perceive time. And then if it changes how you perceive it, does it actually change how quickly it passes? Interesting because we've we've talked lots about time seeming a lot. We're not the only ones, like time seems like It's being fucked with sometimes. Like it seems super fast, super slow. Like I've lived 50, man. Like this is new. This is not it's not been like this forever. It's only seems the last little bit. You've noticed too. Like maybe this is Yeah. There's a lot of people that have noticed. And I think the interesting thing that he gets into with this paper too is sort of the ability to like, like you said, like using what are they basically what technology is available to alter and manipulate perceptual time. It's not just that it's like a phenomenon, it's that like there's the actual ability there to hone in on it and physically manipulate it for specific people, for specific regions, through specific devices, whatever. And so I I I got into a kind of an interesting conversation on Instagram the other day. And this is like so I'll read the post because this is sort of related and it's it got me thinking kind of about the tech that's available out there and how long this has been around and that he wasn't necessarily like onto anything new. Again, like with his a lot of what he was talking about is not anything new. ⁓ so this post itself is is kind of it's not necessarily related to perceptual time. It's actually just sort of like this the anyways. ⁓ it's a post by my Maria seven seven seven, which if you're out there, follow her. She's really cool. ⁓ she posts a lot of really great stuff, but The post was anyone been weirdly sick lately? My boyfriend had the strangest set of symptoms. Over the last three days, his whole office is now sick. I've been work I have a working theory. I think we are in the October to December 2019 period of the next PSYOP. Were you also sick during that time? I remember going to the walk-in clinic three or four times during that period. I experienced some extreme COVID symptoms. Whatever. ⁓ complete loss of taste and smell during the PSYOP years. However, I haven't been really sick since those last few months before 2019. ⁓ hantavirus feels like a fever dream now, entering and exiting the 24-hour news cycle in a flash. Unfortunately, I think we are in the eight-week incubation period of that PSYOP or another. Which should end right around the time of peak World Cup. ⁓ thereby setting the stage for the exponential rollout slash spread of whatever they're testing slash zapping us with currently. Right? Because that's the ⁓ sorry. ⁓ we all know germs are not real and influenza ⁓ is not a contagion, but an electric disease, which we've talked about before as well. It's ⁓ it's the drastic changes and disturbances to reality's magnetic field that cause illness, contamination of the electrical circuit. So the reason I bring this up is because basically what this guy was talking about was a tech to be able to manipulate, you know, perception. And how does that play into this? Well, so this guy, ⁓ six seven podcast, interesting name for podcast, ⁓ So he says I went through the same thing in November 2019 and I'm usually never sick, but it was ⁓ but it was really unusual and then I was pretty much fine the whole time. In my opinion, we're dealing with wireless wear warfare. I'm not talking about side effects of 5G or anything broad and basic. I mean machine learning algorithms targeting human biofields for accessing and processing in the scale up to this new web 3.0 paradigm. The internet of bodies kind of like using using us as nodes. Yeah. ⁓ so and then he says, I'm with you about germ theory, but a computer virus is real. Although nicknamed from a popular idea of biological virus, a computer virus is a magnetic instruction set to alter the original design of a system. ⁓ and this is what I think is being propagated out with electromagnetics, not to harm or kill, but to use the body like a processing server, and the side effect is that ⁓ it's affecting people's actual health and psyche, and almost n no one is up to speed on what's going on. He goes on to a longer explanation of kind of how it works and whatever. Now I had just listened to higher side chats talking about Orgon. and basically ether and the energy all around us, right? And so that guy in that podcast is talking about an orgon orgone reactors. And he explains it as like you know, a large on a larger scale, but effectively what it is is what I got from it, is it's an organic material wrapped in a metal or a conductor of some kind. Yeah, it's like steel wool, steel wool and real wool. Yeah. Like continually layered with something in the middle that's a conductor or that is the conductor. Yeah. Yeah. And so that got me thinking of something like electroculture, which on is a very like simple version of that, right? You have a bamboo stick or a wooden stick wrapped in a copper wire. that's pulling ether from the air and allowing you to sort of harness the energy that's around there, which then interrupts the bioresonance of the plants and helps them grow bigger and quicker and to your experience it works. It for sure works. I've tried I've done it for two, three years now and I I did it as a proper experiment the first two years where I would put it near some plants, not near others, like to see if it actually was a benefit. Yeah. And I have it all over my garden now. And I like this year's been awful. Yeah. This year's been awful for growing stuff and my garden is kick ass right now. And mine is shit. Absolute shit. And nothing like not and the only difference is that. Yeah. That's the only difference. Like you plant from seed, I plant from seed. some of the same seeds we actually planted, same soil, same yep, same amount of sun. Everything's the same except for I have electroculture. And if they are doing things, right? Like taking things out of the environment, zapping, whatever, like at least I'm adding back into I I I don't know what it is or how it works, but I swear it does work. Yeah. Yeah. So my comment back to this was was I can get down with this explanation. I had left a comment saying if anything, it's probably due to what they're spraying in the skies, which like, you know, I've I figure they're out there spraying every day. P if people are getting sick. That's kind of what I like, you know, my dumb brain was just like, that's the cause. But then I started looking into this more, and then after listening to that podcast, I was like, but what ⁓ what what they're spraying is effectively metals, and that's reacting with frequency an organ reactor is just organic material wrapped in a conductor and then I mentioned electroculture. I said, so if we're the organic material and we're being bombarded with what's effectively a conductive layer being sprayed and falling on us every day, slash also ingested via the water we drink, plants we grow and eat. ⁓ wouldn't that fall into the same category allowing them to alter our bioresonance? I haven't personally noticed any illness, but I'm not going to discount others' observations. And then I said, Am I on track or just babbling? Because a lot of the time I think I'm just losing it. ⁓ And he basically said that like He's like, no, you're a hundred percent tracking. Now imagine if this has been going on for so many decades that you were born into it, so your body has largely adapted to the baseline grid of these heavy metals that compromise the grid system of this larger system. And each organ in your body has its own unique bioresonance. So with the right attenuation, all kinds of electrorealistic phenomena can be experienced. This plays into the blue beam theories we've talked about. This plays and what you know the brain is an organ. So if anything, if there's any, you know, people have been experiencing heart issues from these the shots and whatnot, right? So that's could be its own thing. What if they're just like targeting people using AI? Right, which is something that he actually wanted to patent, basically. And something that he says hap happens. Yeah. So he's t he's already tuned into the the the frequency of whatever that is and the ability to do that. And then this guy goes and kinda loses his mind a little bit. ⁓ and, you know, just goes a little too far down the rabbit hole and then starts actively going out there. But he's already made it known that, you know, like the You kinda gotta like teeter the line if you're gonna like talk about this stuff. You can't go like full schizo. Never go full schizo. No, never. No. And so what if, you know, there was just something that attenuated to his His brain and his frequency that sort of just pushed him over over the edge, right? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yep, yeah, yeah. And it it seemed like he was quite solitary as well, right? So he didn't have a a human to it I could be wrong, but it seemed like he didn't really have a human being to bounce a lot of these ideas off of. It it's just him interacting with AI and yeah. It I could you're You're saying like it the AI could have possibly caused all of it, is what you're I think it's I think there's a a level of AI psychosis. Yeah. And then I think that there's a potential that he could have been a targeted individual. Like not done not just normal, like, ⁓ I read too much AI and it like the guy who killed himself or the kid who did, right? Not like that. Yeah. Sorry, unalived himself. We'll edit that out. ⁓ can't believe you can't say that. Anyway, ⁓ you're you're saying that he was actually targeted so and that's that's what he says too though right so that's the thing about this this the whole that's why we're talking about it today two weeks later because we are trying to figure it out yeah and there's a lot of things that track I think it's a bit of a perfect storm right like I think that the and I think that happens a lot with sort of targeted individuals is is that it's like well I mean he's already lost it. You know what I mean? Like he's already done this to himself. Let's just like take it over the edge. And then we then then he's gone. And then anything he says, and that's is what they do. Yeah. They. Yeah. Right? Is they either unalive ya or they ruin your career. Yeah. Before it even starts, possibly. So you you you're whatever your your opinion is moot. To use their words, right? Like no one will listen to you kind of thing. And I and and then and then the the like icing on the cake with them for it is that like, you know, it sort of adds fuel to the fire with the the right wing kind of propaganda machine that allows them to sort of go off on this and look like, okay, well now you're propping up a crazy guy. And that's what everyone latched on to, right? Was that the the first thing we talked about in regards to him was the China stuff and the the hating Carney, which I totally understand. Carney's a fucking dick. You know what I mean? Yeah. But that's what everyone latched on to as far as like what he they didn't they didn't talk about like this sort of stuff. Like what if because there's always there's hidden things, right? There's there's different reasons. Yeah. It it's a it's a very interesting, interesting. thing that's gone on and we'll keep watch on it and you know I'm sure a lot of other people will too. Maybe the guy will get out soon and and and be able to speak to anything. But also he could be and that's you know if without an advocate for himself right now, he they he could be getting pumped full of what who knows what. Well and cut like you said it could be ruining a brilliant mind or you could be altering a brilliant mind. Like they used to do lobotomies in people, you know, 60, 50, 60 years ago in a situation like this, thinking it would help Mm-hmm. Well, and like ⁓ to the your Kennedy's sister. Your point about that Mel Brochet guy. Like when he came out, wasn't he like he couldn't remember his daughter's name and like things like that? And that's textbook MK Ultra stuff, right? Like we we did the episode on that, and that's basically what happened with a lot of these people is they come out and they're never the same. So and I I hope this kid's safe in there. I hope that he's I like, you know, best case scenario is that hey, he's actually receiving some sort of help because I again like I do think that he had a breakdown. And I think That there was an element ⁓ adding nuance to the situation, he likely does need some sort of support and help. Needs a hug. Honestly, man, like yeah, a hug and someone will listen to him and be like, you know, I just tell me, man. Like it that's what it that's how it reads to me. Yeah. Yeah. And I think also what gets lost with a lot of this stuff and the reason that people do end up kind of losing their minds when they get into this world and researching these things is that They don't understand that the narrative swings both ways. And I that that's sort of what I wanted to get into is like and where I'll like I have some predictions on kind of where this goes. ⁓ but I I I think that yeah, people get lost on the political side of it and the the the polarized aspect of it where it's like liberal conservative. And you know, we've said since the start of this show that this left-right shit has to stop. You guys need to cut it out. Like Two two cheeks of the same arse. Right? And if they're two cheeks of the same arse, that makes the NDP the butt crack. Yeah. Right. Of the same arse. Yeah, they do spew a lot of shit. So yeah, it's all it's all the same. It's the same. It's the same thing. Sorry. Well, no, and and that's that's just it. Is like so you can place the blame on Carney all you want. And you know, I'm not I'm not a liberal fan. I'm not a conservative fan. There's cringy shit with both sides, and they both work for the same people. I don't trust a I'm not central banker. I don't trust a career politician. I don't trust a police chief. I don't, you know what I mean? If you work for the man, if you're indoctrinated from jump, I don't trust you. You have ulterior motives. And we all know Carney's ties to Brookfield. We all know We all know it's not a s it's not a secret. And I so while I understand people being critical of of Carney and and whatever, I don't think that that things would be really that different if the conservatives were running the show right now. And I think what's happening is sort of allowing all of a sudden this criticism of the left and of the liberal government. And and you know, maybe yes, maybe they are trying to silence people, whatever. But you are seeing in the media now they're being critical of Kearney's ⁓ economic policies. Well, because we're in a recession. Because we're in a recession. Just announced. Yeah. ⁓ one of the o only two countries in the G2 or in the in think the two in the G twenty and the only one in the G seven. The only one in the G seven, yeah. So There's a there's also we I told you there's the ⁓ they're gonna start a covet inquiry about the liberal response. Right. A four day inquiry into Justin Trudeau government's response. Yeah. Right? Ste people are resigning. Like I know he's getting people like Gibot, Stephon Gibot just just resigned. Yeah. ⁓ you you mentioned the other day and we were talking how like in his there's chatter that in his cabinet he's he's a little too harsh on the liberals, which I actually laughed at. Yeah. Like 'Cause what is how you could just wag your finger at some liberals, I feel, and they'd start crying. ⁓ for sure. Right, but for sure. But but there's infighting, right? Yeah, that's the point. And that's not something that just comes out like the you know what I mean? Like that that's stuff that's kinda like hush hush and and k swept under the rug a lot of the time. I'm sure I'm sure it happens lots, you know, there these people are in these closed door meetings and someone goes off and Carney's in the position of power, so he's able to kind of like slam the desk and say what would say his piece, but he was brought in, sorry, to piece the country off, right? Like that's why he was brought in because his the only thing he can do well, because he was governor of Bank of Canada and Bank of England, he was terrible at both of those jobs. The only thing he's good at is piecing off companies for his friends. Yeah. And that's why he's here. He's like a bankruptcy guy, right? He just like sells it all off and breaks it up and then it opens the door for new deals. And I think that's that's his role is like, yeah, ⁓ Canada's already fucked. So we're gonna I'm here to just sort of like parcel it off where I can and set the stage for this like he said it himself he's setting the stage for the new world order that's like in his own words. Which will be what government like you so you're you that's what you're getting to, right? My my point is that like yeah that it's like every every side has their role to play. And the liberals were the ones that you know got were able to put in the hate speech laws. They're able to put in you know the weird gender stuff. They're able to kind of like You know, they they set the stage for that. And but what comes next when the deals need to be made is a liberal government can't be the one behind the new mineral rights deals. They can't be the ones behind pushing data centers and Even though they're like showing rough support for it right now, it kind of kills their brand, right? Like they can't be the ones to approve the pipelines. They can't be the ones to do all this stuff, which is what's needed for the next stage of this industrial the fourth turning, right? So I think they're setting the stage right now for the liberals to fail and To make it look real. To make it look real to the public so that there is public outcry, to which there very much is. Let's get rid of these liberals. Let's put in a conservative government. And then the conservative government rams this shit through because that's what their brand is. That's what the people want. Exactly. You've you've already like now you've made it so that this is what people want. And now we can ram it through, and no one's gonna question it because. Again, yeah, that's what conservatives do. And then when it backfires and the and and public the public kind of catches on and public sentiment changes, then they'll bring the liberals back in to be like, Well, look at what all the damage the conservatives have done. We need to set up regulations because they're that's what it is, right? The the left is the party of regulations and rules. They're the solution. They're the problem creators and the solution. Like there's problem sorry, there it's problem reaction solution. Yeah. They're the problem creators and the reaction creators, or you know what I mean? And then the conservatives are the solution. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Like we've created the problem. And then the conservatives do a couple things, right? They'll cut, cut this, cut that, cut this. ⁓ well you Canada's awful because you know what I mean you cut education and you cut I'm just giving examples, whatever. That's but and then and then the liberals provide the solution. That's that's the way it always works. That's the way it that's the way it works, and that's the way it has always worked in this country. Historically the pendulum always swings, right? One side to the other. And I definitely think that that's what they're setting the stage for. Now is it gonna happen as quickly as I predict? Because my thought was like, ⁓ a fall snap election. Like that's what's gonna happen. There's gonna be a non-confidence vote, which like you know, you kind of already see a little bit because like the the NDP is now after everyone's already crossed the floor, the NDP puts forth a motion that the there needs to be a by-election and all this stuff. So the NDP are like teetering both sides. Not that they really have a say in anything because no one they've destroyed the party, no one gives a shit anymore. But they're the ass crack. Yep. ⁓ but they're sort of just yeah, they're the house for for the bullshit now. Like, you know, if you don't know what gender you are, you just can hang out here. ⁓ their press con sorry their press conferences are ridiculous. They're hilarious. Every NDP press conference looks like a flipping Saturday Live, like an old Saturday live when it was funny. You know what I mean, skit. Where I'm like, Is this real? Am I Everyone I've seen I I didn't think was real when I saw it the first time and it is real. Yeah. It's like it's like a Comic Con. Like their yeah, their leadership we I think we did talk about it on the show, so we won't get into it, but their leadership convention was a joke. An absolute joke. And ⁓ I laughed a lot. I mean it was hilarious. Yeah, I was not intended as a joke though, that's the problem. Yeah. They're not to be taken seriously. They never have been. But that but exactly, but that's it's it's filtered all the people that don't that aren't to be taken seriously there. And so So then now you have the people that because there are again I like there's some like traditional liberal ideas that I really, really like. I'm I believe in social justice to a degree. I don't agree with policing speech and things like that, but I also don't I also do agree that like people should be treated humanely and that There should be help available for people that require help and equally. And equally, right? And and then I also side believe in some conservative values. I the traditional family, you know, structure is important. I believe in fiscal responsibility. I believe in free market. I believe in in industry to a point when it doesn't, you know, obviously damage and rape and pillage the the land we live on to an irreparable degree. But like I just yeah that so my whole point with it is I just I I kind of think that that's what's if I were to if I were a betting man, I would say that there's gonna be some some sort of push towards a snap election in either the fall or early twenty twenty seven. And that it's gonna swing conservative to allow for industry to have its way, ram through a bunch of shit. You're gonna see all the pipelines approved, you're gonna see data centers going up, you're gonna see Some of them. Some of them you're gonna see an influx in military spending. For sure. You're gonna see all these things that the rah-rah people are really gonna like latch on to and things that liberal, as you mentioned before, liberals don't do. Like liberal governments generally don't not even generally, they don't spend more money on military than conservative governments. No. And so and I think yeah, and it's gonna be, you know, cheered by the right and the people and the sort of center left, center right kind of people are gonna probably swing that way. As well. Because again, they're make things unbearable to a point for you know ram prices up and things as it becomes hard for people to live. ⁓ and they'll sell it as we have to too. Yeah. Yeah. Like millhouse will sell it. Millhouse Apple Eater will will say, Well, we we have to do this. Look what the liberals did to this country. Like, we had we need these data centers. We've invested a lot of money in AI, which they have. Yeah. ⁓ We need the pipelines. Everyone needs oil. Look at you know what I mean? We need to do this. We don't want to be part of the states or we don't want to be the fifty-first state or right. They'll use that argument too. And I also think that because the there's the push, you know, for the mass surveillance and stuff, like the only way you get that and you get general approval for that is if things get really chaotic. And I don't think you can really push a right-leaning society to that level of violence outside of the like ultra mega type people that kind of you know are can be unhinged and sort of like most of whom are feds. Yeah yeah but there is the hillbilly like side to it as well, right? And but But even then it's such a small They've been poking that bear for it's years, right? It's n there's people aren't doing it. So I you're saying they need to switch. The left will lose. The left, the left burns down cities. Like, sorry, but that's just the way they know how to protest. They actually will protest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that that's that's my prediction with that. But it's one of two things. It's either that or that this is all just, again, another psyop to like It's the boy like the boiled frog like approach, right? Where it's like you get you just there's gonna be they're just gonna keep pushing it and keep pushing it and the the right's gonna think that they're winning and ⁓ see, see, everyone's turning on Carney, but you just give them, you know, it's it's scraps. And and so and in in reality nothing changed. Maybe we're past the maybe like you know, I know societal societally speaking, we're not past the bipartisan thing, but maybe the industry end of it and the banking side of it and all that is like not like maybe they are done playing that game and they're just gonna be like fuck you. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yep. So I don't know. That's that's kind of my prediction with it. And that's how this to me this sort of played right into that. The timing of it, everything just played right into that. It I I agree with you, and they they capitalized on on this, knowing that it people I think would knowing that people would it's so crazy that how many people resonated with his posts, but no one did before though. That's still one thing I I just find. Well, because I don't think he's like a like he might be a brilliant mind when it comes to to tech and and the world that he was involved in. But he's not like I know we're no like savants at the conspiracy dialogue, but like he definitely We're a bit yeah, a bit more advanced than him on that. Exactly, right? And there's and there's understanding the levels and understanding the why and realizing that not everything is Yeah. And there's people out there that have that. game lock down, right? There's people, there's already like the voices out there that really know how to like the Greg Carlwoods and like, you know, that know how to get these things across and and to the people and actually like steer conversations whereas like yeah he he's just he's not that guy. No. It it could you know it could literally just be to incite fear. Yeah. Right? thing again. Yeah. Cause it did it has fallen off. Like I know we're talk we're talking about it and we're pro we're late to the game talking about it. Like Well we talked about it the day it happened. We just didn't we wanted to s like I wanted to see what was going to happen before we did a show about it personally. And I wanted to look into it a bit. And I wanted to see what different people said about it. The right media picked it up or right social media picked it up immediately and then dropped it within a day or two. Yeah. And almost like Dropped it with the same like ⁓ you know, something's not right, whatever. There's a few people who've kind of keep talking about ⁓ but it's not yet. It's not the same amount of Yeah, no, it it fell off like hontavirus. Like it was had about the same shelf life as as that. Big in the US though. It's a it's a big topic in the US and a big topic, ⁓ you know what I mean, elsewhere too. It wasn't just Canada. And it wasn't a lot of our media. Like I didn't see it anywhere in mainstream media. It was only social media where this was even being talked about, right? So But it has that's the whole thing, right? So this happens and we've had an you know an hour and fifteen conversation minute conversation about it. ⁓ and about the other issues that it brings up. Yeah. Right? So Yeah. Yeah. So I I don't know, man. I I really th I I hope that there's something that comes out because ultimately I want I don't wanna live in a society where people can just be picked off the street and then memory hold and ⁓ no one ever hears from them again. Yeah. So I do hope that there is an update on it soon. I do hope that he's safe. I do hope that he gets out and or gets the help he needs. ⁓ and if you want someone to chat to, Nicholas, and you're you listen to this show somehow, you know, honestly send us a an email or ⁓ you know what I mean, ⁓ what get in touch with us somehow. We would love to talk to you as well. Yeah. I know I use the word crazy about thirty thousand times during this episode. But Hey, we're honest, man. We're not you know what I mean? We we just we just want truth and to help people and and to you know what I mean, to awaken people to to the truth, which is that not everything is as simple as it seems and sometimes things are nuanced, and this is definitely one of them. Yeah. Yeah. Can I can I blow your mind with the gymatry on this? ⁓ yeah, I wanted to I wanted to bring this up. Yeah, yeah. So you don't have to act surprised because I already told you just before we came on. ⁓ so yeah, we've been doing this thing what not for every show, but for some show. We do it for every show, we don't include it in every show. The gematria kind of you know, the numerology behind the people that we've talked about. Which neither of us fully understand. No, I I understand it's a well, it's a mathematical equation, right? So you take a it's a mathematical equation that gives you a number and it's different. R if it's simple English, ⁓ advanced English or Hebrew, it's different, the equation, and it gives you a different number, and then it it It's supposed to there's other things that will match that number. So and and that is the f the fabric of the universe and shows you can show you how things are tied in. Things have matching numbers. You know what I mean? It shows pattern recognition. I don't understand how you get there. Like I don't understand how the equation actually gets there. ⁓ okay. I th I think it's actually more simple. I I have it written down somewhere. It's quite simple actually. It's like you take the I think it's some along the lines of like his name's Nicholas, seven letters. You ⁓ you know what I mean? There's a value for each letter in it. You add those together. If there's seven letters, you either divide it or multiply it by seven or something like that. if the first and the last letter are the same, you add X to it. If it's an anagram, you can add X. Like there's all these weird things to come up with a number. Right. So for those who know Jumatria better than us, come on the show and please explain it to everyone. Anyways, for Nicholas Wagter, His Jumatria number is 155 in simple, like simple Jumatria, which is like the the easiest one to understand. Other words that have that same value, so words that coincide with that, you know what I mean, follow that. And some people believe that Jumatria and Kabbalah could be the, you know what I mean? The framework or the of the universe could be. ⁓ some other words that follow it or or are connected to it are mental health. psychiatric hold, truth teller, whistleblower, and targeted individual. I mean just so on the nose. Right? Every single thing. Yeah. Yeah. And then I did Alex Rocket just for shits and giggles. And for the record, I don't think Alex Rocket's a real person. I just want to say that. I think Alex Rocket is a bot. A bot or an alter ego just because it's all Eastern European, but I don't want to step on those toes. So we'll leave that alone, which is why we didn't get into it. But he is brought up a lot if you look through Nicholas Wagter's posts. So I thought it would be important to do that. So I did Alex Rocket in Gematria, and it comes in simple gematria. It equals 114. Other words that equal 114, deception, fraudster, hidden hand. False identity. Silicon Valley Software Scam. Yeah, I mean that's just on the nose again. Of of all the Gematria like, you know, patterns that we've tried to to to jump into, it this is the most on the nose of of all of them. This is like Usually you get one where it's like Antichrist and you're like, ⁓ that's interesting. But like Or it's like Antichrist space is here, one word space. You know what I mean? Like you can see people have altered. But then the next one is like hot dog. Yeah. This is like the actual words. It's it's yeah. Yeah. Pretty pretty kind of creepy and crazy. So who knows, right? And keep an open mind about everything. We're everything we're talking about today could change. Maybe he comes out and Right. And you you find out a bunch of stuff that we didn't know and he was held for all these beliefs. Yeah. Cool. And maybe he didn't have a breakdown. Yeah, I I it just seems from looking through his social media, which is all we have to go on at this point, that that is what happened. Yeah, it it just deserved more than ⁓ a knee-jerk reaction is the way I saw it. Yes. And done. Like that's the world we live in though, right? Like this no no reuse. It's like single use. We live in a single use world. They had one use for him, it was for one or two days. Yeah. Toss him aside and none of those people who talked about ⁓ give a shit about him now because they're not getting clicks on it. So why are we doing a show about it, I guess? Because because we actually do want truth, right? And we do want to get to the bottom of things and we do want to understand things. I do. I know you do. Yeah. Yeah. Well I like to ask I just like to ask questions and I don't like I I again, like I'm not there's there's this concept out there. Like I know that there's people out there that want to change the world. And I'm if I'm being completely honest, I'm not one of them. I wanna understand the world. I don't think that you really can change it to the degree that you maybe think you can. What I I'm all I'm ripping from Greg Carlwood because Greg Gordon White, who passed right a short while ago, has mentioned a few times since then about ⁓ Gordon one of Gordon White's f his favorite things that Gordon White said to him is which is not everyone can s can slight who's the bad guy in Lord of the Rings. It's escaping me right now. Sauron. Yeah, yeah. Not everyone can not everyone can kill Sauron. You know what I mean? Like some people need to be Bill Bilbo Baggins. Some pe right? Like not everyone Can slay the dragon. Like sometimes you have to figure out other things, and maybe you have a different, like, yeah. Well, and I think that I think you have a yeah, no, that I think you have a a better chance of getting through this life in a positive and peaceful way, simply by just understanding. Because that you gotta roll with the punches to a certain degree, right? Like the world is goes in these cyclical patterns and We don't understand the nature of reality fully. We don't understand maybe we are in a simulation, in which case, like then what makes it me think that I would have any control over what happens if this is some people believe in fate and destiny and that might just be the nature of things and also in which case like really no matter what way you you look at it, whether it's God, whether it's simulation, whether it's this or that, it's like you kind of have to like understand your role in the universe of being rather insignificant. And that's not to say that you can't affect change in other people's lives around you. You can be a positive change, you know, like that's saying be the light Because everything's connected. Yeah. You know, be the light you want to see in others. Like you can positively affect your own world, but I also believe that there's like some things are just too high a price to pay for a futile effort. And that's aga again, like it's it sounds kind of defeatist and sounds sort of like I understand how that could come across. But what I the way I mean it is more like worry about you and yours, try and be positive, a positive light in people's life. Try and understand the world around you as much as you can, and then just like But I'm not, you know, like I don't want to get pulled over on the side of the road and stuck in a mental institution because I think Carney's a dick. That's neither do I. Free will, man. You want to be a dick, be a dick. I don't care. Yeah. But it doesn't really, a lot of the stuff doesn't affect me directly. And I'm just gonna do my thing. I'm gonna plant my shitty garden that doesn't, you know, it gives me one tomato. And and we we know we know well, like it's you you can't. Not I don't to sound like a defeatist either, but you can't what are you gonna do? Like walk to Parliament Hill. A guy did that during COVID and got arrested, right? Like you can't we can't do that. No. We we can't come up with an armed resistance and rebellion. We've always said mass noncompliance. That is what needs to happen. Mass noncompliance, don't give it the time of day, don't give it thoughts in your head and expose everything. Like shine light on everything, right? Let ⁓ talk about it with other people, talk about it around the dinner table, talk about around other people's dinner tables. You know what I mean? We need to need to get back to that. Yeah. And like they they shattered that during COVID. And I think the more people that get back to that. Realize that we all have more in common with each other than we do with them. That's the way this ends, if we want it to end. A hundred percent. Not not yeah. Not doing th and they could th that was the thing about this kid. They said when they first I we didn't show the arrest video, but that's fine. We don't need to. Yeah, everyone's seen it. Yeah, yeah. It's and everyone can find it. You can anyone can find it. ⁓ the whole it was under the premise that someone said they thought he had a bomb in his backpack. Yeah. That's how the whole thing, right? And Yeah, it would probably would have been good to mention that earlier. But yeah, that that was kind of the the the proposed. But he didn't. He didn't. And I was also gonna say he that he got that was that happened a couple days before he was detained. So that happened. They beat the piss out of him. He was cut up and whatever. Let him go because he didn't have a bomb. And then two days later is when they actually detained him. Yeah. And took him away. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man. I ⁓ Yeah, this is a weird one for sure. It was. I d did we touch on everything that you wanted to touch on? That was the ⁓ I think and more, yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I think we really ⁓ Yeah, I I the only I wanted to mention a couple other AI things I thought we would go on that way 'cause I love shitting on AI every week. Sorry, Cram. ⁓ one is ⁓ the the there was a in a bunch of US are ⁓ US media and and Twitter feeds and whatever, that over half of the US data centers have been canceled or delayed. Yeah. So that goes to your prediction, right? And and Darren's, I think. Both of you said that on last week's show. Yeah. It was it was more just that the market'll figure this out, right? And and like a lot of yeah, most projects don't actually get green lit. I think there's a lot of money laundering going on. I think it's a lot of land grabbing going on. I think that's what a lot of this is for. We actually had a ⁓ we have a super fan, which is kind of neat. ⁓ but and I think it's the same thing though, because we talked about it with Graham and Darren last week in Graham and I I didn't see it as much then, but I'm starting to see part of it now, right? ⁓ and it it's another how two things can be true at once. I don't want AI data centers anywhere near me. Think they're fucking horrible. But there is a reason why it's being pushed on everyone, right? Yeah. And it it's the same reason as the as the episode today, I think. It's to it's to cause, you know, strife and discourse or not discourse, but to get people upset about it and and whatever. ⁓ sorry, go on go ahead about the super fan. ⁓ so so we have the super fan ⁓ that's been commenting on all of our on Spotify on all of our episodes. Thanks, by the way. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. The optimistic ⁓ Which yeah, it's cool. I've been engaging a little bit here, but this is and this is a a totally separate rabbit hole to go down, but their comment on Our last episode with Crimerica in regards to the data centers ⁓ was all those AI data centers in the desert are prime locations for after the pole shift. That's why they're there. I'm in the central Oregon desert and all three companies have AI centers there, ⁓ and it's the exact right place for where the new water levels will be as half of Oregon will be underwater. So We haven't there, right? Salt Lake. Salt Lake obviously was like it was part of a a huge, almost North America-sized ocean at one point, right? So that and we haven't touched on the pole shift on that'll be a f that's one that you and I are both interested in, but that is a fully black pilled. Like scares the shit out of me. It does. And there's been a few times you as my friend have seen it. I know you have. My wife has noticed it too. When I start researching, when I when I first started researching that stuff, I went to a dark place for probably about a month. Yeah. Like it sends you on a spin. Yeah. Yeah. So ⁓ that's an episode for a different day, but I just wanted to mention it because that's totally separate from this very like real world, you know. it they're just laundering money. It's like, ⁓ okay, maybe there is something to this. So And so the other two eighth I things I wanted to mention. One is that fifty it's an estimate, so it's probably higher, that fifty-five percent of internet traffic now is AI. Mm-hmm. Which is insane. So that's the dead internet theory that plays into that, where it was basically like all the old internet stuff, all the old blogs and videos and whatever that we grew up, you know, like seeing and researching and stuff, that was basically just feeding the AI. And then all that shit was replaced. And now that's what's like prompting all this new stuff that's coming out. Which right? Which is and it's all you know, there's and another theory proven true, right? Like that proves it essentially proves proves it. Yeah. And then the last thing is that they I I told you how the RCMP in Alberta and British Columbia are doing a pilot project ⁓ to use AI to write reports for I I'm pretty sure it's everything except for violent crime. So like any You know, trespass and they're gonna so the way they're gonna do it is through the the ⁓ the camera and microphones that the officers have to wear. An AI agent somehow is gonna take that information and type out a report on what happened so they don't have to waste time doing it. Yeah, good luck with that. And then it's gonna be have to be approved by them and then it will be admissible in court as their testimony. And it's a pilot project, I think, running for a year. No, till August. That's what it is. Till August this year. That's wild. Crazy, ⁓ Because AI makes a lot of mistakes. And we've said like it feeds into what you want it to feed into. It does how it's what it's programmed to. What if it becomes sentient? So at my work, there's like a we we all I'm in sales. So we have we enter our sales calls into a CRM. And the new thing at work is that the general sales report that gets sp spit out at the end of of the day is just AI running all those CRM entries and then like compiling whatever proposed like projected revenue based on the sales call and all this it's but my point is it's dog shit and it's always wrong and it's it's rife with errors it's it's it's terrible. Yeah. So good luck, RCMP, with that one. I'm how many people are gonna get let off anyway, whatever. That's another show too. Yeah. For another time. Yeah. Wild. Wild world we live in, man. It's ⁓ yeah. Just getting weirder and weirder. It is. Remember to not give them any loosh. Yeah. ⁓ don't give them any fear. Take a sec to think about everything. Yeah. Go get some sunshine. Yeah. Touch some grass with your bare feet. Touch some soil with your hands, you know? Yeah. Dip your hand in the water, your toe in the water, and you know catch a trout. Do make some maple syrup. Do something Canadian, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, ⁓ until next time, I guess. Yeah, that's all she wrote for this one, I think. From the ⁓ from the land of the high seas and the tall trees, I'm Mike. I'm Andrew. Have a good night. We will catch you next time.
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This episode explores the recent case of Nicholas Wagter, mental health, authoritarian overreach, and the broader political and social implications of conspiracy driven content. We chat through what happened, similar past cases, conspiracy theories surrounding targeted individuals, the effect the current conspiracy landscape has on the psyche, and much more.
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00:00 Introduction and Engagement with the Audience
01:58 FIFA Fever and Government Spending
04:56 Nicholas Jordan Wagter's Case: Involuntary Commitment
08:19 The Ethics of Assisted Dying and Mental Health
12:09 Public Perception and Media Influence
17:46 The Role of Algorithms in Shaping Narratives
21:57 Corruption and Foreign Influence in Canada
24:54 Nicholas Wagter's Research and Activism
30:11 Conspiracy Theories and Public Reaction
32:45 Access and Control of Information
35:28 Media Influence and Bias
39:06 The Impact of AI on Perception
43:42 Personal Background and Mental Health
47:59 Manipulation of Perceptual Time
55:48 AI Psychosis and Targeted Individuals
01:02:23 Political Turmoil and Infighting
01:05:39 The Role of Government in Crisis
01:09:26 Predictions for Future Elections
01:12:39 The Nature of Reality and Control
01:16:00 Understanding the World and Its Complexities
01:21:14 The Impact of AI on Society
Nicholas Wagter, mental health, AI, conspiracy theories, Canadian politics, societal control, censorship, targeted individuals, psyops, government overreach
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