OM DENNE EPISODE
Most hiring processes reward people who look busy and interview well. What happens when the role underdelivers and everyone acts surprised?
Jackson talks with Chris Mursau, President of Topgrading, about a methodology built to do one thing: consistently hire and promote high performers. The core shift is from evaluating activity to evaluating outcomes, instead of resumes and rehearsed answers, Topgrading digs into a candidate's actual track record, role by role, to see what they truly produced and how.
Chris walks through why most interviews reward charisma over capability, how a deeper, evidence-based process surfaces the A players and screens out expensive mis-hires, and what it takes to raise the talent bar across an entire organization rather than one hire at a time.
You'll discover:
- Why most interviews reward charisma and rehearsed answers instead of the track record that actually predicts performance.
- How the Topgrading method digs into a candidate's real, role-by-role history to find what they truly produced.
- What it takes to raise the talent bar across an entire organization, not just on individual hires.
Press play to hear Chris Mursau's evidence-based approach to hiring the people who will actually perform.
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Each episode builds the HR leadership the top chair demands, and the business-first HR that takes human resources beyond the support function, without losing its functional excellence, and makes it a driver of the business.
It's what CEOs want from HR and how the CHRO and CEO actually work together — the unwritten CHRO mandate, the human capital strategy and people strategy that show up in revenue and margin, the talent strategy and executive talent that outlast a leadership change, and the succession planning that survives a new chief executive.
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