Grumpy Jukebox Episode 3 with Francis Leach, Robbie Buck and Costa Zouliou

costa zouliou: Here we are once again with Grumpy Jukebox episode number three. If you haven't caught up with the first two episodes, you damn well should 'cause we've got some great blokes on here. Some ⁓ of my good friends, good good friend Francis Leach, good friend Robbie Buck, gentlemen. Thanks for joining us here on Grumpy Jukebox episode three. Hello, Costa. Hello, Grumpy Bastards. One and all. All right. Well start with you today, Robbie. Have you got something new? Musically that you want to talk about for us? A as it so happens I do have something new musically. And it's Because you're trying to talk about new stuff, stuff that surprises us, and WTF. So kick us off with some new stuff. Okay, with some new stuff, the postman knocked on my door early this morning and I have to say I'd been a little bit nervous that my ⁓ package of records from London had been stolen by some of the local thieves around my house. 'Cause ⁓ it had been a good few weeks since I'd ordered this. ⁓ online, but I got a bunch of records this morning, and one of them is a a record called Fam Disco Blacksploitation and it comes off a label called Groove Culture, which is a kind of electronic label out of Italy. And it's a a bloke called Paolo Fredegrini who does a lot of sort of electronic and kind of house music, but he obviously, like all of us, has a great love of 70s funk and soul and particularly, you know, the the rich vein That is the kind of black exploitation ⁓ music from ⁓ from the States out of those era ⁓ that that era. And so he's put together this really lovely record that celebrates that era, all live, a lot of live percussion, a lot of live playing, but some electr some sort of electronic grunt that goes on ⁓ as well. I'm a little bit concerned about some of the photographs. You know, the front cover has him, he's like I said, he's probably about our age, he's in his mid to late fifties. Yeah, mid mid thirties, like he's very young, handsome chap in his late twenties, as it so happens, just like us. but with what looks like some characters from a black exploitation film. It certainly does. Yeah, so I guess that it's actually AI that is used for the photographs, which I don't know, I guess you know, fair enough if you want to do that for your artwork. But thankfully the music itself is ⁓ is all human made. But it does raise this question. I I I've been away for the last week and we've been in Four-wheel drives traveling through the Northern Territory. And we've been listening to lots of playlists and lots of music. And the the question came up about well, how do we know what we're listening to on these playlists, particularly on Spotify? How do we know if they're human-made or whether they're AI? And I think this area of conversation at the moment is really pertinent. ⁓ y we have a whole world where all the AI slops sort of infecting everything, but we don't really have the legislation or the ⁓ even the protocols or the etiquette to label y the y the music that you're listening to whether it's been human made. Now for some people it doesn't matter at all. I mean for some folks they'll be going, well who cares? It's just music and it's what I what I want to listen to. But there's a whole lot of ethical licensing payment a areas. Universal music has just done a deal with Spotify where they're going to allow their artists to be to be remixed by AI f basically royalty free, you know? And so What does it mean for artists and all these things? But also as a listener, I don't want to listen. I I don't mind a bit of AI going on in the production if that's part of the the process. But if it's not actually been made by humans, I'm not I'm really not interested in it. It's scary, isn't it? Because we we also know that the artists themselves ⁓ have already been screwed into the ground by the platforms that provide music like Spotify in terms of royalty. So they're already marginalized there. And the scraping of ⁓ artists work to provide the content to generate the language learning models, which then produce the ⁓ near carbon copy of artists' work to be consumed is really frightening. And as you said, Robbie, the idea that we just music's purely functional, that you know whatever sound ⁓ comes out of a speaker is what matters, not what's in the heart and head of the artist is what we connect to. If we're gonna do that, then music's kind of dead, isn't it? It's simply just it is background noise. We're not really connecting with anything. We sound like a bunch of grumpy old fucks, but sometimes we're Well that's And on this occasion I I I think we're right. And it's really quite funny. I d I still think we're not at a stage I've not heard anything that's been generated by AI that doesn't feel like it's slop. I don't think it's quite carried out. But that that day might be coming. I actually think that there are there's a lot of music that does that you you wouldn't be able to tell or certainly not telling us blush. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. We we really should be told that, you know, if it's a a picture or a graphic or a a ⁓ music or whatever, it should say this is AI. But we don't. The weird lines about that are really interesting. I mean I w was taking a photograph of a sunset scene just a couple of nights ago and I you know, I I've studied photography, I love photography, ⁓ I know a lot about it. I was taking a photograph of some folk in fr in front of a beautiful sunset. I had to use a fill-in flash because ⁓ y they're backlit and you know, my my photo was okay. Somebody took it with a a modern iPhone and then showed me the photograph that they'd taken and it was Obviously enhanced by AI because the the way the light was falling was not natural at all. But it was a a really nice looking photograph for for photographing a a bunch of folk, you know, for a a memento, it actually did the job really well. But that is rock solid standard. That's the you know, so everything that you are and in fact probably our conversation that's running through this program because we're in three different cities in Melbourne, Sydney and and Brisbane, it's probably being enhanced by ⁓ AI from the so the software that we're using. So It's this weird sort of s sh grey area that we're all sliding into. And where are those lines? I find it really interesting but also mildly terrifying. Well in the in the world of of of music production and and mixing and all those sorts of things, as you just mentioned, Robbie, I mean it's it's an invaluable tool now. Some of the stuff that when you can take a hum or ⁓ certain buzz or enhance someone's voice and all those sorts of things out at the the machine does it, you just Tell it what to do basically. Or in this with Riverside that I used once, ⁓ there was a there was a buzz on someone and it came back and it said, Do you want me to take this buzz out? Yeah. And I went, ⁓ yeah, because I hadn't really thought I'd only just started using it, and then boom, it was gone. You know sorry, faces. So everything that you hear that I say in this podcast has completely been rema reimagined by AI to make me sound halfway intelligent, because clearly whatever I was previously said. was absolute garbage that required a machine to make it something that you could understand. Now Francis you jest, but actually that is the reason that the ABC when I was still there at ⁓ at ⁓ at Auntie, ⁓ I w I was using AI to fix up some sound problems and initially everybody all the techies were were really enthusiastic about it and were thinking it was really great. But then they found out that the the AI was hallucinating because if the a if the audio was particularly a bit ropey in certain places, it would make up words from the guest and put them back in which weren't what they'd said. And they they discovered this obviously after things were going to air and the guests were saying, Well I I didn't say that. You didn't say that. Wow, that's really the only the only the only hallucinating that I ever did with you Robbie did not involve machines. ⁓ And you too cost up What what happens if the Hawk's nest stays at Hawk's Nest, okay? That's part of my soul there on that little boat. ⁓ fantastic. Frank, have you got something for us? Yeah, before we go. What do mean listen? You mean this was some New Zealand punk mate. I have, you know, it's because the algorithm does rule the world. So I was just listening to those evil's music platforms and was listening to a bit of Animal and the Sniffers and I said, you like that that? Why not try this? And it landed me with the band Dick Move. The great name for a band. Fucking awesome. So I'm writing there straight away. Yes, I'm having some of this. They're five-piece punk band from Auckland, New Zealand. And ⁓ I just listened to their new album, which runs for all of 25 minutes, 13 songs. Good. Which is just so good. And I was absolutely blown away by how much fun it wasn't. It's a really sharp edge, funny, tight, aggressive. It's ambled on the sniffers with ⁓ I reckon with more a bit a few bit more of a sharper political angle, but the tunes are just absolutely killer. The album's called Dream, Believe, Achieve. And I've got to find out more about this band. It's one of those ones where you put you hear it. The first song is called Fuck It. And I listened to the song and I went, That is just and there are some, you know, how many ways can you continue to square that circle? That is the whole attitude of rock and roll throughout the ages, right? So this road has been traveled before, children. But this is so good, and there's it's such a sharp gut punch. I thought, ⁓ I love this. Yeah. And so I had to pull over to the side of the road, you look and go, What's this? You know, like you might have done at the when you were listening to the radio, you know. back in the days when we were analog people and write it down and go, ⁓ I mean to come back to that and find it out. So I listened to the album ⁓ Dream, Believe, Achieve, and it's just fantastic. Yeah, every song goes for about two and a half minutes, raise the sharp guitars, the ⁓ the the band themselves just absolutely smoking good. ⁓ made me feel fifteen fifteen years old again. Which you know, as I feel about 60 awaiting a hit replacement, I'm very grateful for Dick Move to make me feel like I'm a human being child again. Thank you, Dick Move. Haven't made many made many Dick moves in my life. You've finally come full circle. Check it out. I had to listen to ⁓ actually. I I I I'm I I really love Amel and the Sniffers. I I love what they do. I'm not a massive fan if that makes any sense. But this really works for me. I really like Dick Move. I d I don't know. You've done plenty of those too, Cosy, over the years, so that's good. Yeah, you're like Thanks. Thanks for reminding me. Yeah. As if I can't go to sleep at night now. I I I I just love though the thing about Amel and the Sniffers is I just love how hugely successful they've been. Yeah. Without any kind of level of compromise at all on their behalf. Like that there's just there's no confection at all. It's all so wonderfully fresh and real. And every time I've seen her, I mean I've i i I've interviewed her at the Aries years ago and she was just st straight up I saw her at the Apera Awards a few months ago and they were just so Still so enthusiastic and unjaded and real. And I just I love that being a template for y for folk. I I went s actually I went and saw a band the other week called Wednesday, ⁓ actually on a Wednesday, and they were a combination of it's sort of a a kind of punky thrash, but with country elements. They had a slide they so they had the standard band, but they also had a a slide guitar and a pedal guitar player throwing in these sorts of elements. But what the best thing about it was just watching You know, all these young folk, like watching 18 to 30 year olds in a mosh pit, just having the best time and that real kind of visceral joy. And you know, going back to that earlier conversation about AI, that's where music i i i it brings people together and there's that cathartic celebration and to be in a space watching that, I I feel like the kids are all right. You know that? I feel like they are all right. It's cool. And I didn't mean that as a I was trying trying to talk down Emiline the Smith as a show. Yeah. Yeah, no, no, I love No, you weren't no no you weren't at all. I I would just be b ⁓ i i I just wanted to because they are just so wonderful, I just love the fact that we are in an age where that band is still really popular and resonates and they are s so truthful in what they do. It's good. Well I saw them ⁓ support ACDC, which you know is a tough gig in anyone's language, and ⁓ they just they just smashed it. the the kids are loving it, that's for sure. So yeah. And what have you been listening to, Coz? What have I been listening to? Well it was it's not something it's it's new music but it's not a new artist. It's ⁓ Jack White's got a new record coming out and what it did it kind of it reminded me I don't of kind of late era ⁓ Led Zeppelin. The album's coming out it's called Dollar Bill. and it just yeah it just reminded me of of of Late Era ⁓ Led Zeppelin. Actually that was the song that I heard. The album's called Frozen Charlotte she's at they've had ⁓ two record ⁓ two singles out ⁓ before ⁓ this one. But then it star it's his seventh record and I think he came out here about a year or so ago, I'm not sure. And I didn't go and see him, but all everyone that did go just posted up and said how good it was. So I felt really bad about not going. But ⁓ what it reminded me of was the doco w called It Might Get Loud with The Edge. Jimmy Page and Jack White. Came out in two thousand and eight. I don't know if you boys have seen it. It's basically those three guys just talking about guitar, how they play, how they write songs and and all that sort of stuff. And you can see right at the end, Jimmy Page starts belting out a whole lot of love. And the you know da and the looks on The Edge's face and Jack White's face, and they're standing in the same room as Jimmy Page while he plays Whole lot of love is priceless. It's worth sitting down and watching. It might get loud. So ⁓ check it out. That's what it kind of ⁓ got me thinking. And I just noticed that the Avalanches have got something new out as well. So Yes, new single. I just had a listen to it just before. Yeah. Good party vibes for a European summer, that one. The new single I've just put out. Got Jamie XX on on it as well. ⁓ can I just say love his work. Yeah. He's he's my f ⁓ he he's my favorite DJ of the times and whenever he pops up a ⁓ a mix session Usually on Apple Music, I think he does it for they're always absolute bangers. So ⁓ yeah, can't wait to hear more of what the Avalanches are producing in terms of a full-length record. Just to just to bring the grump just for a moment, though, I noticed that Jack White has ⁓ branched out into visual art and he had a major visual art exhibition in the UK. Did you see the review for this, Francis? ⁓ my god. It was it might as well have said shark sandwich, shit sandwich. That can't quick go. It seriously is one of the all time great takedowns in The Guardian, isn't it, Robbie? Yeah, it's one star in The Guardian for the review. And ⁓ I I I look We are not all artists, even though we're we're we're we're artists in different ways, you know, and that's the thing about it. But I but it it's ⁓ I mean I guess there's sort of comparisons to Flea doing the trumpet album in some ways, but you know Did we need Flea doing the trumpet album? Well, some people did. Some people did, so fair enough, you know. Or or Andre Three Thousand's flute record. Yeah, that's right. That's another great one. Get it out of your system, but do we all have to know about it? I'm not so sure. All right, Francis, we've kept you you're you got a microphone open and and we're and we're on the air and you haven't spoken about the ⁓ football yet, the World Cup. give you a You know what? What? It's it's so a it's lovely to watch it coming in at a time that we don't all have to be sleep zombies for five weeks. I mean I've I've been lucky enough to be at a lot of them, so ⁓ ⁓ and I've been able to watch them in real time and I know how hard it is to watch them in when you have to get up at four AM. But it's it's just been great. And the beautiful thing about this World Cup so far, despite all the the the the messiness around the politics and the the greed and the graft and the corruption and and you know the stench that comes along with FIFA ⁓ is that the football itself in the group stage has been really fucking good. Like it's been really, really good. I mean I just watched earlier today the New Zealand Iran game for Los Angeles and it was thoroughly entertaining. It was end to end stuff. It was It looked like a cup match from from the UK. It might have been a playoff match at Wembley for for the you know for the championship to get into Premier League. ⁓ Kiwis played really well. The Iranians fought back twice to equalize. And we've seen that throughout the entire tournament. I the the other the biggest ⁓ eye popper so far has been Cape Verde, ⁓ holding Spain, the mighty Spanish, to a scoreless draw in the opening group game. And that's just mind-blowing. I mean, if you look at the ⁓ I mean if you look at the the value of this of the Spanish squad in terms of you know, the collective transfer value of the Spanish squad if they were on the open market, it is up to thirty times more than any of the players who are playing for Cape Verde, who are scattered thro through the European League. So it is absolute minnow taking on Mammoth and holding them to a draw and getting a point out of a game at a World Cup finals is mind blowing. So I'm loving how competitive it is. The football's actually been a really high standard. ⁓ and of course I don't even mention the Socceros so far. ⁓ that was a beautiful, beautiful moment. And now we get to play the Americans in a in Seattle. ⁓ and the the trash talking has been has been next level good. So now we get to do some talking on the pitch. So it's setting up as a beautiful tournament. A bit of a surprise because I I think I was a bit cynical about it to start. The 4018 competition it just seemed like a money grab. But and I there was a you know well there have there will be some results that are that are blowouts. Germany had one ⁓ earlier in the tournament. But I I think so far it's been it's been a lot of fun to watch and ⁓ hopefully some more great moments with the Socceros. Where were you on on Sunday when the soccer is played? ⁓ it's just the time. I can't do it I don't know about you, because I'm a bit of a football nut. Unless I'm at the game, I can't do pubs and public spaces when people are half interested in it. 'Cause someone will turn to me on ninety minutes when, you know, an equaliser goes in off someone's ass or a late winner for the opposition goes in off of off ⁓ defender's shin and they'll just go, ⁓ it's just the game. I don't want to hear that. Because their safety might be under threat at that point. Not good for them. Not good for me. So it's best for me to quarantine myself in an environment that I can feel safe. Ray Bachar and broadcaster Francis Leach or arrested today at Sober Roof Manch after insulting several bystanders. Who said it's just a game. And I would say, well, it's just a trip to the fucking hospital. No, seriously, it's been so much fun. And guess what? It goes on for about another five years. This tournament doesn't finish till the middle of July. So g lock in. Barnaby's not celebrating the win because some of them look like they've just arrived. Some of the players. Well, I did notice that One Nation sent out a ⁓ a social media post saying congratulations, Socaroos, and I thought Any disclaimers? Yeah, no, no disclaimers, but there you go. But on a serious note, ⁓ this is the the power of the game more generally, in a way that maybe some of our other national teams don't quite do. ⁓ it does show the real face of Australia, a modern Australia, a modern, diverse Australia with some amazing stories of resilience and ⁓ and people who've ⁓ put ⁓ their lives on the line to to be in this country and appreciate the opportunities that ⁓ are given to them and that they've created in in Australia. And the very best of us is represented by what they achieve and how they conduct themselves. And it's a reminder that ⁓ you know, for all the the tropes and all of the anger and the misinformation and the fear that's spread. about immigrant communities. ⁓ and there are problems in those communities. No one's denying it. ⁓ and we've got to we've got every one of us has work to do in relation to to making our own communities safer and better. ⁓ but this is the real example of what we can achieve. And what we've always achieved as an immigrant nation off the back of embracing people from other countries and other cultures coming here and making us stronger, better, smarter, more sophisticated and also with much better cuisine. I've been to Cosie's house. There's nothing like a good Greek fee from this. Cypriot Greeks. We wouldn't have had that if they didn't come here. Well said, Francis. Well said. Well said, mate. Yeah. Yeah, good work. That well, to be honest, that was my surprise, you know, as we go here for our surprises was the ⁓ was the socceros and and I'm and I'm glad you you you spoke of my surprise so eloquently, mate, because ⁓ it was fantastic. I I I I'm really ca I I don't know, even looking at them as a as a team, you'd kind of think, well, ⁓ Sometimes you'd see in Australian teams and they didn't look that confident on the pitch, you know, playing, but they looked really confident. They looked like they really belonged there, ⁓ on Sunday. So I'm I'm I'm definitely whooping ⁓ hello, Duke. Was that Duke? That's you actually that's Billy. You might have to carry on just for a few moments while I while I feed Billy if that's if that's all right. ⁓ Billy loves cockaroos, but he loves his dinner even more. And if I don't feed him right right now, ⁓ it's gonna interrupt our conversation. I'll be back in a sec. We'll just lose a leg yourselves. But you're absolutely right, Costa. I think that's ⁓ as ⁓ that that ⁓ Popovich is just such a a great coach of preparing young players for ⁓ for big challenges. And he's from that same old school than he's from that generation ⁓ that Ange Poster Koglu ⁓ Graham Arnold are from as well in terms of the way that they were prepared as players. ⁓ Had to go through some hard times to become the professional player that he was and and became and ended up playing in the Premier League and and having an impact at a World Cup in 2006. So they're they're pr they might have an element of of old school about them, but they prepare young players ⁓ in a way that gets them ready for the biggest challenges. And we saw that on the weekend, the way that those ⁓ young players, ⁓ Ilrukunda and Motore ⁓ Conor Metcalf and also Patrick Beach in goal. Yeah, good for funny. ⁓ third cap. And the brave call that the coach makes. So he looks at Matthew Ryan, who's the co he's the captain, and says, I'm gonna I've I've this whole thing has been built on a bond of trust that I will pick the best player in the role, and I'm not gonna just at the last moment blink and pick on reputation and sentiment because you've been the captain and you are our natural choice for the last 10 years. That kid's in the best form of his life. I'm gonna put him in and play him, and it worked out brilliantly. So the manager's done a great job, they'll be full of belief. And it's really interesting because the Americans, the more they talk about it, the more it seems that they're afraid of what what's coming on the weekend against the Socceros. So I'm really looking forward to that. That's going to be great. ⁓ really, really, really big day in Australian sport. It it'll get me out of bed early, five o'clock in the morning kickoff, isn't it? I think in the eastern states. No, yeah. There was a time when you used to get up and go to work, but you don't do that anymore, so that's all right. Used to be the time. One morning, mate. When you when you get home. Imagine doing that now. Just just just how many days off would you need? Yeah. You need a week to recover. Are you back, Robbie? Is yeah, I'm back. Dog's dog's eating right now. Yeah. How's how what sort of dog's Billy? He's a whippet. He's a very spoilt whippet, as you can tell, because it's like right underneath feeding right now. Yeah. So yeah. Don't do you have to spell the word walk? ⁓ yes I do. Yeah. In fact i we don't even do that anymore because he's gotten onto that. It's now he knows how to spell it. Yeah, yeah. It's like a mm mm mm mm mm. I talked to my wife and go, is it time for mm-mm? She couldn't she could misinterpret that. Yeah, she's like, What kind of mm mm? I'm like no Anyway. ⁓ a four meter crocodile. ⁓ Yeah, yeah. That can be a very big surprise. It was a pretty amazing surprise. Thankfully I was in a boat that had ⁓ a good guardrail on it. But w I've just spent the last week in the territory in Kakadoo with actually a couple of ⁓ ex ABC folk ⁓ that we all know and and a and a few friends. And it was such a lovely trip. It's such a beautiful place to go. But we went we went to Kakadoo and did the the Yellow River ⁓ cruise and it just ⁓ You know, those animals are just so extraordinarily scary, but p phenomenal. The the this four meter croc came up beside the boat and just we sort of putted along and it swam just by flicking its tail just a little bit right next to us for hundreds of meters. And you really get the sense of just h the extraordinary kind of physicality of those creatures, but how efficient they are as well. Like they just Unbelievably refined in as hunting as hunting machines and the capacity to be able to the ⁓ the power in them as well. So prehistoric that was the surprise. It's so prehistoric. Yeah, beautiful. Really Were you tempted just to reach out and touch just gonna No, no, I wasn't actually No it was not. But isn't Yellow Water one of the most special places in the world? Were you on the on the morning cruise? Did you go on the morning cruise? No, we went on the evening cruise. So we went beautiful. watched the sun go down and ⁓ over the water and the lily lilies. ⁓ you know, and saw Brogers dan literally dancing and w we actually saw a what was it a sort of b ⁓ white headed eagle or something white-breasted eagle I think it was. And it had come down and tried to grab a fish out of the water and then s missed the fish and went up into the tree above the the water. And then the guide said, ⁓ look There's something else having a look at that fish. And it was a ⁓ a crocodile swam along to where the bird had had put its talons down to try and catch the fish. And then the bird did swoop down again. And as it swooped down, the crocodile jumped out of the water and tried to catch the friggin' bird. It was just like, ⁓ my god, this is too much nature. Unbelievable. Yeah, really amazing. I was lucky enough to go up there, been up there a few times, got some good friends up there. But I can remember when we first went up there, s I got I turned up about one o'clock in the morning on one of those cheap flights and ⁓ Smithy picked me up from the ⁓ airport and said, When you go for a fish, mate? And I went, Okay, yeah. So we went back to his place, one o'clock in the morning, hooked up the boat, drove out to ⁓ I think it was Corrobory Billabong, I can't really remember ⁓ exactly where it was. And we got in the boat and then went through all this dark and I'm shitting myself because, you know, crocodiles. Yeah, blah blah Crocodiles. But we got out to this kind of opening. And he said to me, Right. First three lessons of staying in the ⁓ of ⁓ fishing in the territory. Stay in the boat, stay in the boat, stay in the boat. That's it. Because he just said, There's one, like he had his torch and it was still dark as and he had his torch and he was just going, Look, there's one, there's one, just in this circle in their eyes were I'm not one to tell Smithy his business, but ⁓ even if you stay in the boat in the territory Sometimes they can get You know, there's places where they've had a go and chat diving. It depends how big your boat is, but they ⁓ we weren't in a big boat, we're probably in a 12, 15-foot tinny of that. Yeah, yeah. So it's like ⁓ Roy ⁓ Roy Schneider in Jaws were gonna need a bigger moat. Frankie, you got a WTF for us? ⁓ look, World Cup fever is everywhere, but this story came to my attention from Peru. From Peru, the World Cup, only a few days old. And look, the Peruvian police were desperate to track down this small-time drug dealer in Peru. His nickname is ⁓ Pachichi, referred to the true as a ⁓ which is a reference to the trophy awarded to the top score in the Spanish League, by the way. And they decided to take advantage of Pachichi's love of football. So, according to the police, two officers dressed up as Maple and Clutch, the World Cup mascots, to get past the suspect's guards whilst he was watching the opening ceremony at home. And he could see the video online. Of the two mascots with one of those huge ⁓ doorbreakers smashing down his front door and then arresting him with their cock badges around their neck, still dressed as the mascots. It'd be like getting arrested by Fatso at the Cime Olympics, right? They see thousands of packets of cocaine, paste, marijuana, a firearm and ammunition ammunition, but the two mascots arrested him. So it is one of the it's it's great. That's some good police work to be able to do that with an oversized bird ⁓ mascot on your head. Yeah. Still take down the drug dealer for Chichi. Got it done by the World Cup mascots. That is literally Peruvian marching powder we're talking about. So well done, Peruvian police. Maple and clutch is like the new Starskin Hutch. Which one slides over the bonnet though when it about to take off? It's stuck in the map. I'm sure if you at on your ⁓ on your YouTube services you'll be able to find Maple and Clutch arresting Pichuchi and st and putting him in the back of the wagon. It looked like one of those Pikachu what Pikachu. What's Pikachu? What was that? Who was he? What was a Pikachu? Pick Pikachu was a Pokemon. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, we had that Great stuff. Yeah. Well my what the fuck is Is this the you can't see it on the radio there? ⁓ Clive Clive His Letterboxd as well. He's getting his steps in. I can't believe it. Is he is he delivering ⁓ he's back with his seven page pamphlet of ⁓ on on a serious note, I did I did see that ⁓ I think in the what what year would ⁓ did Shorten try to or what did year did ⁓ Clive come back and Bill Shorten was twenty nineteen PM is it twenty nineteen? Yeah. You traumatized me that whole campaign. We yeah, we all laughed, you know, ⁓ seventy million dollars, blah blah blah. But I did read an article about probably six months ago, I think, after all the dust had settled and all that sort of stuff, that ⁓ that he actually did have an effect. That money did have an effect and enough of an effect and I don't know how true this is, but it was in a recordable. Enough of an effect to for for ⁓ Shorten to lose the election. Well, you know it's s bizarre that we're talking about Bill Shorten because I had a drink with him last night. ⁓ 'cause he 'cause it w 'cause I did a did a two S E R radio show and the the guest of mine was a guy called Peter Lewis who runs essential media and he ⁓ I'm just gonna go over and have a beer with Bill Shorten after the because he's staying in the hotel over the road, you wanna come and have a beer? I went, ⁓ yeah, sure. ⁓ so yes, it that that's my what the fuck. That's true. I didn't bring up the twenty nineteen election. He brought it up. I didn't believe it. He brought it up, I'm sure. ⁓ I worked on that campaign and ⁓ there were yeah, it was enough money spent just to drive enough of the vote away from the Labour Party to the Conservatives and and and preferences that made the difference. And that's why those ⁓ electoral ⁓ electoral funding laws are really crucial, ⁓ campaign ⁓ donation reform because Increasingly, and we're seeing it with Hansen at the moment, the big money it's a ⁓ copycat of the United States experience where, you know, big money invested interest can pour a whole lot of ⁓ resource into a small party and campaign and control ⁓ a political outcome and that's really quite scary. And and I think the other aspect of this too, which ⁓ is being lobbied for but is is not realised yet, except in maybe South Australia and the ACT, is the truth in political advertising too. Because that's where, you know, I th That's where Clive Palmer and folk are are able to advertise and say whatever they want. And if it's not if if if it's not in legislation that they can't lie in advertising, then of course that's what's gonna happen. So Well that's exactly why my that's is this is my what the fuck because he's come up he's gonna ⁓ health he's gonna increase the health budget by a hundred percent. He's gonna ⁓ increase social ⁓ increase pensions by thirty percent, twenty five percent on gas export tax export. Well I I get that. I'm I'm happy with that. I I can do that. But there's all these things that he comes up. Housing at another trillion dollars. Where's the money coming from? Well, you know. It's about making Australia it's about making Australia great again, mate. You know, it's funny. He's got wreckett Ralph in the Senate. My God. Let's not start here. That's that that's really scraping that's really scraping the electoral bucket, that one, I tell Listen, I worked in the Senate for two years. I had to listen to nearly every one of his speeches and I am dumb for the experience. I bet. All right, ⁓ gentlemen, give us a prediction. Give us a World Cup prediction. Let's finish it on a World Cup prediction. Mine, I what I'd really like to see is England and Germany, ⁓ with England losing on a ⁓ penalty shootout in the in the final against Germany. How would that do? Is that too is that too much to dream for? Getting greedy now. Probably. I my World Cup prediction is that s one of the Australians is going to ⁓ kung fu ⁓ style tackle an American player and Trump's gonna tweet about it and some poor Australian defender, I'm looking at you, Milosh Digner, is gonna become the and probably gonna be number one overnight in the United States. Yeah, totally. He's gonna I should laugh 'cause a Trump pylon will be terrifying, but it's gonna happen at some point, and I think it could be this weekend. Although is he back from the G seven? I don't know. But if if he gets if he clocks the game. He will have a go at someone and it will be a living nightmare for them. But if we can beat them, ⁓ wouldn't that be Up there with him up there with the America's Cup win in nineteen eighty three. And ⁓ someone will have to give us the elbow half when it's a day off. That's right. I wonder if we could dust off that ⁓ Australia jacket that that Hawkey had at the time too. That's gonna in a museum somewhere, hasn't it? Just get it out for the day. Well, my World Cup prediction is that ⁓ by the end of this World Cup I still will know fuck all about football. So that's that's pretty much about it, folks. We didn't none of us tuned in for the UFC on the White House launch. What a disgrace. What an absolute disgrace. Did you see the fights on the ⁓ around the White House straight afterwards? Honestly, anyway, do we could have we could have them at the lodge. Pathetic. Find the cup fight finding the car park at the lodge. Everyone has half a dozen beers. Even a proper Australian punch on. Right. Go right ahead. Chico Right. So everyone everyone has half a half a dozen beers and then someone says, What are you looking at, mate? Yeah. And it's on. You call me a porter. That now that sells itself. Exactly. Yeah. ⁓ boys, thank you very much for being ⁓ on ⁓ Grumpy Jukebox. We'll try and do it all again ⁓ in another couple of weeks. Sounds good. Thanks, Cosby. Thanks, Frank. See ya everyone. Bye. Stay grumpy.