Talking Transparency Episode 2.15

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You are now listening to Talking
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Transparency, the podcast where
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transparents talk transparently, hosted
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by Thea Ross, Melissa Lucen, and Cody
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Connor.
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Welcome back to Talking Transparency.
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This is Melissa. I'm Thea. And I'm
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Cody.
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No, please. You go, Fia. Okay, fine.
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Tonight we're we have a guest on uh um C
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Fox. Is that Am I pronouncing that
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correct? Yeah, Kavalis Fox. Thank you
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very much. Please tell us a little about
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yourself. Um yeah, I'm Kavales. I go by
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Cav. I use she pronouns. I'm roughly
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30some years old. And I
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sound of the Navy. Sorry. And I work in
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a tattoo parlor. Um, I've been tattooing
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for about 5 and 1/2 years. I've been
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trying to tattoo previously to that for
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like my whole life. Mhm. Um, and yeah,
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very good. Well, thank you. We are so
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excited to have you today. We'll get
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back to asking you some questions, but
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first Thea, can you talk a little bit
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about what we got going on? Absolutely.
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Uh, as if you're watching, you're
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probably getting ready for Pride. If you
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haven't, you need to go online and find
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all the wonderful Pride events in your
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area. We are getting prepared. Um just
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coming up this weekend, we are going to
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be out at P Flags Picnic uh here in
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Norphick. Uh if you can go and follow
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them on socials to get more specifics
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and sign up. I know it's a sort of bring
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your own thing and they'll have
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desserts. We're going to be out in the
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park having a wonderful day. So, it's
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going to be a really good opportunity.
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So, definitely join us there. And then,
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if you can't later on in Newport News,
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the very same day this Saturday, we're
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going to be out at uh the Ghost Roller
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Derby Rally Fleet. Um uh the road be
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having a wonderful match and have
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invited the Kaos Coalition out and we're
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excited to be out there. I love Roller
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Dubie where it's gonna be in Newport
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News. Newport News. Okay. Sunday. That's
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going to be I believe that's Saturday.
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Saturday. Okay. Yes, that's going to be
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on Saturday. Um so we've got those
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wonderful events coming up. And then
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also on Sunday we're going to be seeing
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out there at Portsmouth Pride. That's
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the first one kind of the launch launch
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that's going out here. I know there's a
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few other events going on so I can't
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list them all. Um, but please go to
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kayla coalition.com/events to see our
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entire Pride calendar. There's so many
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things that we're looking forward to. I
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mean, we're going to be doing at uh
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Chrysler at the Chrysler Museum on June
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5th. We're going to be doing Pride at
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Broadway on Broadway. Yes, there Pride
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on Broadway. And we're going to be um
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out there doing our video story booth
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capturing stories of queer and trans joy
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and just putting on our best. Awesome.
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And then I guess the other big big
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thing, the thing that we're super
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excited about is of course Hampton Roads
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Pride Pride Fest this year. It's going
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to be out at Townpoint Park like it has
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been every year. It's an amazing event
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and this year we're super super excited
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that they invited us and the uh
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Transgender Assistant Program of
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Virginia, the South Eastern Transgender
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Resource Center, Thriving Transmen of
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Color, and so many other transled
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organizations to participate in what
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they're calling their transjoy zone.
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It's going to be a very special uh
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location where we're going to have all
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of the organizations together to amplify
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all of our work. So, I'd love for you to
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come out and visit us, come out and
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learn about the ways that you can get
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involved in community, the ways that you
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can see yourself represented in these
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different c uh uh community
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organizations and uh get the resources
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that you need while having a little bit
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of fun, you know, for a whole lot of
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fun. A whole lot of fun ideally a lot of
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joy. So many joy. I think we'll be
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somewhere between the main stage and the
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secondary. It's going to be so that's
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going to be so much fun. At least three
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joys. Three whole joy. I don't know if
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we'll know we'll have enough room for
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that. Um there's also a familyfriendly
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zone this year that we're really excited
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about. And then of course, speaking of
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familyfriendly, I really want to give a
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shout out to Pride in the Peak. We've
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had Jeremy Roden on before on Pod
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before, Friend of the Pod. Um and uh
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we're going to be out there that Sunday,
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which it's June 21st for Pridefest, June
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22nd for Pride in the Peak. Yes. And
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again, if you're looking for these
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details, you can go follow Hampton Roads
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Pride. They have a wonderful calendar as
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well as go to again
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kaycoalition.com/events. We'd love to
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see you out. I'm very sad this year.
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It'll be my
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first year not going to Pride, whether
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it's Pride in the Peak or Norfolk Pride,
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like HR Pride in a decade, a years,
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because I will be in Thailand. I mean,
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I'm not sad about being in Thailand.
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But, um, but I'm sad that I will not be
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able to be with my friends because last
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year I was with my friends at Pride in
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the Peak. I was with Kayla's Coalition.
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And um no, I just don't really love
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going to Pride. I'll go I'll be at Pride
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events like throughout the month, but I
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won't be able to go. I'll try and get
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the the extra ones in for you. Yes, you
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get I will not be in Thailand. Yeah,
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probably be at many of all of those
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events as I can. Absolutely. So, if you
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want to come out and and meet Biz Dad,
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come out and visit the Kais Coalition at
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different pride events. Yes. Yes. I am
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so sorry. Look on his face. He can't
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wait to meet his adoring fans. Oh, yes.
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It's going to be hard for you to walk
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around. You're going, you better be
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prepared, sir. I am happy that the
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message is getting out there. I'm happy
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that it's benefiting a lot of people. A
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lot of people are getting, you know,
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hope and and joy out of it. I'm very
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happy about that. I've gotten so many
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messages. Like I I have to say every
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time I've gone viral or whatever. Um
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I've been bracing myself for that wave,
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right, of of hate and and all of that
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that you you see out there. Um and no no
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no just a whole lot of love and support
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and gratitude coming out of the
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community. It's amazing.
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So, just for all those people out there
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wondering if there's hope and good
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people out there, there's a lot of them.
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So, keep keep it up. Oh, awesome. And we
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need the love and support this year as a
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little segue is because this year
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there's so many different pride events,
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so many different pride organizations
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that are underfunded, that are seeing
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less funding from their community, from
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the state, from the federal government.
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We're seeing the Trump administration,
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other
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organiz pull back. I know locally um uh
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here in the state of Virginia we could
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talk about the impacts on Richmond
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Pride. I know that there was an article
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that was put out and then also here with
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him. They said it was uh Jeff um the
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Ryder I think is the Yes, Jeffy. Jeff
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Ryder. He there was an article published
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just a couple days ago talking about how
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um I guess sponsorships overall are down
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about 25% which is equivalent to
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$100,000. And when you are putting on
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the size of an event that um HR pride
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is, that's that's huge. That's that's a
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huge impact on resources available. You
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know, that means there's going to be
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more uh they have to they're going to
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have to rely on more volunteer services
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versus paid services. You know, there
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may not be um you know, there just may
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not be things that that have been there
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historically that they'll be able to
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provide. now because of $100,000 of
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sponsorships and that's I mean that's
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corporations are just starting to pull
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back from now I am a proud sponsor our
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business is a proud sponsor of Pride in
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the Peak every single year since this
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very first year um and I without
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question when they asked me this year I
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wrote a check gladly with an open heart
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and didn't reduce what I you know if if
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there's going to be a reduction in
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something I'm going to sponsor or donate
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it's going to be in something else. It's
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not going to
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be, you know, so companies step up your
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game and stop reducing your sponsorships
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to um pride events. Well, I think you're
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seeing that like that 25%'s a good
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represent, you know, good example of how
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we're seeing those resources kind of
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decrease in in so many different ways.
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Yeah. You know, even things like
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uh you know, we had a homeschool group
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um that met at the library. Yeah. Um,
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and because of the different things, the
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the the environment, the way things are
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being ran,
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um, they were told by the librarians,
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don't don't send us messages about
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this. If you want to talk to about us
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doing the homeschool group for the LGBTQ
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kids, you have to call us on the phone
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so that people can't monitor what we're
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talking about. And we're not going to be
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able to provide these certain resources
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anymore attached to this because of of
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uh you know the way people are are just
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because of of the way the laws are
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changing, the way things are being
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handled, you know, when when you've made
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diversity and equity and inclusion bad
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words.
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um you know and so we're seeing that
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kind of pullback and the impacts of that
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in these major and even these you know I
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still consider them major but these
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other more subtle ways
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um you you see these resources becoming
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getting taken away becoming less
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available um and is really tough it's
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hard I mean something like that is very
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important to me that's that's my child's
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group of friends that's right right
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that's so many of the partic
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participants at the trans family dinner.
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There's so many families that are
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already lacking the resources in
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community and such because it's hard
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homeschooling children. You don't have
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access to the public school libraries, a
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lot of the other resources that people
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make available to public. So the idea
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that they're just met with hostility
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that we are met with hostility when all
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we want is space in public spaces.
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Right. Right. That is paid for by the
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way because they pay for a
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space in the library to have to meet
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too. Fear is doesn't not doesn't pay
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attention to currency or but maybe to a
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certain extent but not in this case.
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There's a directionality to power and
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these kids do not have that power. These
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families do not have that power. The
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people who have that power are scaring
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librarians. So to be clear, this isn't
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an issue specifically of the librarians
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except for that they are trying to keep
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their programming, their limited funding
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available. So let us not send hate
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directly at those
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[Music]
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individ the situation that they're being
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put in by um
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politicians and leaders. Librarians are
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some of the best keepers of knowledge.
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They're the ones that disseminate all
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the information. They're like, "Here, we
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have this book for free. go ahead and
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read it. Yeah. There's there's a lot of
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librarians, a lot of teachers that I've
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heard from that are just
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horrified by this and feel powerless.
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Yeah. Because they have families they
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need to feed. Um they still have a
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mission that that they're on that
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they're trying to provide and they feel
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like
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um yeah, they they see kids
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hurting and it hurts them very much.
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They don't know what to do about it.
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That's um that is what these
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culture you know war like it's like this
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attack on just everything and making
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everything about this this
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um in politics like not about policy but
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about hating people and power and power
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right taking money and they're right you
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talk about Hampton Roads Pride losing
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sponsors we can talk about the pride
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events the things that we can bring to
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the events, but it's also the
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scholarships, the money they put
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directly in the hands of trans and queer
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youth, folks who are have a bright
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future ahead of them and have potential
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and are already facing headwinds and
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lack of resources. And then we look at
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them taking resources from our
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libraries, right? They look at it so it
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is an allout assault to silo, to put us
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low, to put us hiding, and then to take
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and starve us of the resources, which is
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why we have to fight back. And we all
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have to fight back and it and it is only
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taking right there. There's not all of
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this news of of how people in need are
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getting vast amounts of
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resources or anything like that at all.
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This all of this across the board. And I
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really wish people would just hear this.
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You were only getting taken from. Yep.
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Mhm. Everybody. That's it. Nobody is
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getting anything.
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Uh that's what's being supported right
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now. That's except with the billionaire
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class. Yeah. the billionaire class. But
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the regular person, no matter who you
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are, some people are getting hurt more
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than others, but everybody is only
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losing here. Correct. Yes. Um and so
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which you know we have a guest. So why
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don't we transition? Yeah, we are not
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losing
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here.
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Winning. We have a cuz we have a guest.
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Winning winning. Just stay winning. I
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know. Yes. So, wow. Tattoo artist. You
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said 30 something. Yeah. All right. Um,
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are you from Virginia Beach? Um, not
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really. I've I've lived all over the
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place actually. I've been born in Hawaii
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and then at like 5 years old, we moved
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up to upstate New York about an hour
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away from Albany, you know, and then
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moved back to Hawaii when I was like 16.
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Oh my gosh. You rolled your eyes like
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moved back to Hawaii. Well, I love I
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love Hawaii, but the move back was kind
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of just
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It's bittersweet because I almost
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immediately moved to Texas. Like I
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didn't even finish or start a school
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year in Hawaii before we were in Texas.
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In Abalene, Texas. Oh, not Abene. Yeah.
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Buckle up the Bible belt. I actually did
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some re Well some research. What
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research can you do when you have a just
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a yellow pages? But I counted up how
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many like churches there were in Abalene
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at the time. And this was roughly about
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2006. I counted
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201 counted one synagogue and I counted
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one mosque.
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Wow. And at the time that equated to
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about a church for every 1,000 people.
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Wow. Oh, I'm not surprised. I lived in
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San Angelo, Texas for about 8 months.
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The armpit of Texas is what I called it.
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So that's the clasp of the buckle in the
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Bible. Yeah, it's really It's really
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awful. Hair big, cars big, ego's big,
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everything is certainly bigger in Texas.
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Subsidies, too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Very
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much. Sorry. A hi Navy. got some Navy
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flying over. So, but then I fled Texas
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after about 5 years, getting in a little
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bit of trouble there. Yeah. And I
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and ended up here in Virginia. Lived
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here for about for about 9
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years, went to Ohio for about 4 years,
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and then I've been back for probably
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about 2 years. Not Ohio. I've been all
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over the place. All the worst places
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Hawaii. I know. Where did you Where'd
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you move to in Ohio? Uh, Yria, which is
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just outside of Cleveland. Cleveland,
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just outside being an hour. Okay. Yeah.
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I mean, anywhere in Ohio is kind of like
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Sorry. Sorry if you're listening. You're
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from Ohio. I feel like you feel I'm from
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Ohio as well. I'm from Columbus, so I
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can say
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it. Um, when did you have you always
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been an artist?
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Yeah, I've as far back as I can think,
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like there's been other things that I've
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done and had fun doing, but I remember
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scribbling little pictures on a piece of
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paper and taping them to the
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refrigerator myself because I wasn't
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going to wait for my mom to approve of
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them and hang them.
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Um, and all through school, I was always
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drawing on all over all sorts of things.
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See, we were kind of poor, so I didn't
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have like the like a whole bunch of
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paints at homes or canvases or even
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sketchbooks really, but I could always
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get a hand I get my hands on a piece of
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paper and a pencil like either at
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department of social services cuz they
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give me that to keep me occupied and I'm
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like, I really need to be occupied. Give
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me more. Yeah. Um or you know schools
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and such cuz they're not just going to
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let kids go without paper and pencils.
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We need those.
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You started with graphite. Yeah. Yeah.
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Graphite for a long time. Switched to
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colored pencils for a while. I and then
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finally went to college for it when I
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was about 22 23 years old. went to TCC.
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Mhm. Um and got exposure to a whole
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bunch of different mediums. It was just
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absolutely blown away. Yeah. Yeah.
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That's very cool. When did you decide
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you wanted to be a tattoo artist?
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Probably about 17 years old to be
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honest. Yeah. I While
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N I was incarcerated for punching a
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police officer in the jaw. [ __ ] yeah. At
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17 years old. N
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And while I was in jail, I definitely
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everybody else around me that I drew all
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the time to keep my pretty little
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safety. Mhm.
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And people around me were like, "Man, we
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got to get you behind a gun. We got to
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we got to get you tat."
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And that's when it kind of dawned on me
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that's kind of something that I could do
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given the circumstances of my birth and
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of my life in the meantime. Like I could
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be a tattoo artist and actually be able
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to eat. Exact. Yes. It's a practical pay
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rent. Yeah. It's a practical way to do
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what you love and uh pay your bills. And
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I love tattoos in the first place. And
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you know, I always thought maybe I could
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do tattoos, but like that finally opened
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the focus to it. It's like, wow, I could
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really do this. And the self-expression
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piece. Hell yeah. Right. And no dress
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code, right? Definitely don't need a
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dress code. Definitely don't need a
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dress code. So, how um so um Cav, you're
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trans woman. Yeah. And trans feminine,
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non-binary. Trans feminine, non-binary,
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if we want to get semantic. No, we can
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be semantic. My oldest is a
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transmasculine non-binary. Oh, nice.
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Yeah. So, um, and they are 31. So, when
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you said 30s, I was like, old, am I old
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enough to be your mama or not?
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Like, so I have a 31-year-old. So,
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that's like my measure of like, am I old
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enough to be your mama or not? Um, so,
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um, how, okay, I am in the indust in the
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tattoo industry. my husband and I as we
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all those of us but for listeners um my
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husband and I own a studio um and I am
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very familiar with the industry and so
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uh
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survival as a
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trans feminine
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non-binary wonderful human how is that
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for you it's been kind of interesting
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because like I started my tattoo career
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before I started my transition okay
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Um like and I did I started my
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transition up in Ohio of all places. So
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I kind of set everything on hard mode,
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right? Yeah. Yeah. Literally. But I had
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some good DLC when I as soon as I moved
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to Ohio like I use the thought like
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plenty of tattoo artists don't go by
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their government issued name. Yeah, they
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go. So, I just started introducing
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myself as this kind of genderneutral
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collection of sounds, Kavales or Cav.
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Mhm. And people couldn't say, "Oh,
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that's a girl's name." Or, "Oh, that's a
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boy's name." Cuz they've never heard it
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before. Um, so that was one easy part. I
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didn't have to get people to start
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calling me anything new cuz they didn't
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know what to call me old to begin with.
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Y
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um there was some some of my co-workers
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at the time definitely changed the way
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that they were around me. Um it was
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interesting. I didn't realize that those
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co-workers were like such dudes dudes
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kind of people. And so when I started
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transitioning, like they hung around me
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a little bit at first, but like even
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though I kept kept up similar joking, I
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I was still me. I was just like dressing
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and presenting more feminine and stuff.
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They were suddenly less comfortable,
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which does make sense. It's different if
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a girl starts saying all these sex jokes
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than if dudes are saying sex jokes with
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each other. You know, things like that.
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I mean, honestly, I think it's kind of
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just it points out like that maybe it's
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just inappropriate altogether. Maybe.
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Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I think
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and that that makes
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them it it's there's an awareness there
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maybe. Yeah. Um but but do go on. But I
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also think that once they discovered
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that my sexuality was just as fluid as
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my gender. Yes. Then they were also very
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unnerved by me, like, "Oh, you're going
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to try to hit on me?" I'm like, "No,
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frankly, y'all are kind of ugly and kind
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of like frankly I don't think you're
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attractive and y'all are kind of like
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[ __ ] so like I'm not going to Mhm.
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Yeah. I'm not going to jump to take you
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to dinner or have you take me to the
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movies. It's so interest. It's not
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interesting. It's I mean it's just my
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mind like what happens there with this
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with like you know cisgendered men who
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are not in touch at all
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with I mean they're just steeped in
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toxic masculinity. Maybe that's probably
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a better you know better thing. But um
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the the
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the threat turn
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into right. Yeah. And in and just but it
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in not not in any way a threat at all
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but just to them you have become you're
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you're going to challenge something in
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them. Well let me let me let me be
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honest. I feel like most trans feminine
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folks, and I don't mean to speak for all
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trans feminine non-binary folks, but
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especially within the binary, we are a
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challenge in a lot of way. At least
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that's how we're seen. Whether we intend
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to challenge or not, is whether it's up
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to our, you know, individual autonomy.
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But a lot of especially men that are
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steeped, like you said, in that
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heteronormative, patriarchal systems and
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and like masculine super hyper masculine
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norms, they're like, "Well, how dare you
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turn down the power? How dare you say
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no?" Oh, yes. Like, oh, what do you
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like? And what what does that mean? How
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does that reflect in me? because they
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see us as mirrors and they try to see
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themselves in us and they couldn't
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imagine and it so offends and how would
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you why would you ever want to be a
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woman or feminine or any of those
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things? You've been given this gift,
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right? Like it's like this that is how
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it's it's looked at by these men who
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are, you know, again, not in touch with
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that. A lot of men just don't like women
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at all. Like when I came out, they're
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like, "We just I I can't believe that
00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:11.029
you like women so And I was like, I I
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:12.950
mean, I am a woman. They're like, well,
00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:14.789
I just I just don't like women. I was
00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:16.470
like, that literally their reaction to
00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:17.909
me coming out, I was like, oh, so we're
00:24:17.919 --> 00:24:20.230
not friends anymore. Cool. Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:22.390
And especially in the tattoo community.
00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:25.909
Oh, because tattooing has largely been a
00:24:25.919 --> 00:24:28.470
boy club. It's always been a fight for
00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:31.350
women to have any sort of Well, because
00:24:31.360 --> 00:24:35.909
women are so sexually abused. Yeah. And
00:24:35.919 --> 00:24:40.750
harassed in the industry like and and
00:24:40.760 --> 00:24:44.870
and made um just made a mockery of in
00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:49.590
many ways. I mean, it it is very um like
00:24:49.600 --> 00:24:51.510
I I don't have any problems in the
00:24:51.520 --> 00:24:53.430
tattoo industry because I will tell I
00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:55.269
don't give a [ __ ] and they know it. I
00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:57.590
will tell you to go [ __ ] yourself and I
00:24:57.600 --> 00:24:59.029
I'm not afraid of you either. I'll punch
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:01.029
you in your right in your mouth. Like I
00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:02.310
don't care. I will give you a dental
00:25:02.320 --> 00:25:04.470
rearrangement. I have way too much
00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:06.870
bottled up trauma for any of these men
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:08.470
to be a problem for me. You know what I
00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:12.190
mean? And so like try me. Um but like
00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:15.269
the it is it doesn't have to be that
00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.630
way. But that's how the industry
00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:20.549
Yeah. It's just how the industry is
00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:22.390
because it's also because like we've
00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:24.950
been on the fringes of society for like
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:27.669
you know decades and decades and decades
00:25:27.679 --> 00:25:30.789
like when you are you know it doesn't
00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:34.070
matter how normal normal I dress or how
00:25:34.080 --> 00:25:36.310
um you know I have you know raised five
00:25:36.320 --> 00:25:38.950
kids and all you know just have lived
00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:40.630
this very what you would be what would
00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:44.070
be perceived normal life. I still am
00:25:44.080 --> 00:25:47.269
looked at differently because of how I
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:50.950
look. Yeah. you know, and it's so uh
00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:53.590
which whatever, but like it it is
00:25:53.600 --> 00:25:57.190
definitely um in it puts you on the
00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:00.590
fringes of society, you know.
00:26:00.600 --> 00:26:02.590
Um
00:26:02.600 --> 00:26:05.350
yeah, Jets are loud tonight. They just
00:26:05.360 --> 00:26:07.510
save it for when we're we're doing our
00:26:07.520 --> 00:26:09.510
show. That's that's what it is. They
00:26:09.520 --> 00:26:11.190
just save it when we're doing our show.
00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:12.950
Did we not sit here for like 30 minutes
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:14.470
preparing before we went? Not a single
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:16.230
not a single one. Not a single one. Not
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:17.909
a single one. They're subscribed to your
00:26:17.919 --> 00:26:20.390
life. Yeah, they are. They're What I
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:22.830
think is is interesting too is is I
00:26:22.840 --> 00:26:24.909
think you know
00:26:24.919 --> 00:26:28.430
outside of
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:32.149
um you know any any prejudices or or
00:26:32.159 --> 00:26:36.269
certain things like that. I think it it
00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:38.870
highlights how unconsciously most people
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:41.950
live their life. Oh yeah. Right.
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:44.029
Because
00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:48.070
um when the rules are somewhat removed,
00:26:48.080 --> 00:26:50.510
right? Like like when you
00:26:50.520 --> 00:26:56.110
are just a man, it's very clear in our
00:26:56.120 --> 00:26:59.190
society all of the different parameters.
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:01.269
Yeah. Um right or wrong. Right. Right.
00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:02.470
Correct. The parameters are clear.
00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:03.350
Parameters are there. Yeah. The
00:27:03.360 --> 00:27:04.630
boundaries, the parameters there. Yeah.
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:06.430
Yeah. When when
00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:09.230
when those parameters are
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:11.710
removed in order to make a
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:14.070
decision, you have to become conscious
00:27:14.080 --> 00:27:16.710
and actually look at yourself and decide
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:19.029
what you really want and what you should
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:21.430
really do and what is really right and
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:23.149
wrong.
00:27:23.159 --> 00:27:25.750
Whereas with those parameters there, you
00:27:25.760 --> 00:27:28.710
can live your life automatically without
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:31.430
accountability, without self-reflection,
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.789
without without guilt or or or any of
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:36.310
the some of the negative things that
00:27:36.320 --> 00:27:38.070
come with providing yourself with growth
00:27:38.080 --> 00:27:39.990
as a person. When those parameters
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:42.230
exist, you can just autopilot right on
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:43.830
through. That's right. And and never be
00:27:43.840 --> 00:27:46.510
uncomfortable. Once those parameters are
00:27:46.520 --> 00:27:49.630
removed, you either have
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:53.830
to look at yourself, which I think is
00:27:53.840 --> 00:27:55.830
one of the biggest problems that that
00:27:55.840 --> 00:27:57.870
people don't realize. Oh,
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:01.269
selfawareness is the biggest reason why
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:03.950
people cannot see other
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.350
people is that they just refuse and are
00:28:07.360 --> 00:28:09.430
unable to look at themselves. They can't
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:11.750
see themselves either. That's right.
00:28:11.760 --> 00:28:14.389
um they they see an image of themsel
00:28:14.399 --> 00:28:17.110
that they have built and they autopilot
00:28:17.120 --> 00:28:18.789
their life through those through that
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.190
image. And when somebody that's close to
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:22.950
them or somebody that they interact with
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:24.190
removes the
00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:26.470
parameters, all of a sudden the
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:28.549
autopilot's off and you're just flying
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.269
without any controls is what it feels
00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:33.029
like for a lot of these people in their
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:35.590
mind because they've never before taken
00:28:35.600 --> 00:28:37.190
control of what they're actually doing.
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:38.950
They've just been autopiling along these
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:40.710
parameters, right? And so I think
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:42.950
there's a a that's where a huge sense of
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:44.630
this uncomfortability for a lot of
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:46.350
people comes from and they don't even
00:28:46.360 --> 00:28:48.470
recognize that that's where it's coming
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.710
from is all of the sudden because the
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:52.230
parameters have been removed in a
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:53.830
relationship when they're interacting
00:28:53.840 --> 00:28:55.510
with this relationship they actually
00:28:55.520 --> 00:28:57.029
have to put their hands on the wheel and
00:28:57.039 --> 00:28:59.190
drive their lives and they're not quite
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:01.110
sure how to do that. That's right. Yeah.
00:29:01.120 --> 00:29:02.630
Yeah. I think they have to think. No,
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.190
sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. But they finally
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:06.710
have to think. like you said, they
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:08.789
they've just been autopiloting, not
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.190
having to use their brain, and it's been
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:13.669
easy for them, and they're relishing in
00:29:13.679 --> 00:29:16.950
that. And then suddenly I have I'm
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:20.070
causing them to question things, to look
00:29:20.080 --> 00:29:22.310
for answers, to look for reason and
00:29:22.320 --> 00:29:25.510
logic that the engine's starting to roar
00:29:25.520 --> 00:29:28.870
up in places that it hasn't before. And
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:30.549
they're like, "Wait, no, I don't like
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.350
this. I didn't want to work right now. I
00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:36.789
just wanted to hang out and relax. And I
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:38.710
think there's a part of like the trans
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.190
experience where we are confronted
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.110
whether with dysphoria, euphoria,
00:29:43.120 --> 00:29:44.070
through gender, or through body
00:29:44.080 --> 00:29:45.590
dysmorphia, different things that we
00:29:45.600 --> 00:29:48.070
contend with that force us to contend
00:29:48.080 --> 00:29:50.070
directly with who we are in in a
00:29:50.080 --> 00:29:51.830
material way in the way that we reflect
00:29:51.840 --> 00:29:53.750
ourselves in society. And that's one of
00:29:53.760 --> 00:29:56.149
the things I love about my transeps. I
00:29:56.159 --> 00:29:58.710
don't love the jet voice, but I do love
00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:01.590
the fact that like we seek out that
00:30:01.600 --> 00:30:03.669
purpose. We seek out a way of being. We
00:30:03.679 --> 00:30:05.190
seek out an understanding of the
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:06.630
framework and people around us out of
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:08.789
necessity, but also out of a deep desire
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.669
to reflect outward what is we feel and
00:30:11.679 --> 00:30:13.269
experience inside. And that is
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:15.350
transgressive. Not to overly use the
00:30:15.360 --> 00:30:17.510
trans prefix. And that will make some
00:30:17.520 --> 00:30:19.909
people uncomfortable because they want
00:30:19.919 --> 00:30:21.269
to stay where they are for a million
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:22.389
different reasons. Psychological
00:30:22.399 --> 00:30:24.149
reasons, cult cultural reasons,
00:30:24.159 --> 00:30:25.990
conditioning reasons. But the one thing
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:27.909
I'd tell to those people and one thing
00:30:27.919 --> 00:30:29.190
that we're trying to do with the Kaos
00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:30.710
Coalition is to tell people that when
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:34.310
you walk in your purpose, you shine. You
00:30:34.320 --> 00:30:36.710
become a better person of your a part a
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.630
version of yourself and your community
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:40.789
also shines. The light is reflected in
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:43.029
other people in your work and the in
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:45.430
your family and it's easier for you to
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:47.669
see them for them to see you and you're
00:30:47.679 --> 00:30:49.190
able to engage with them and that means
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.350
that you are and not having a top- down
00:30:51.360 --> 00:30:52.710
understanding of the world where they're
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:54.470
dictating it but you're having a
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:56.870
subjective referential experience a
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:59.269
lived experience where you are v and I
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:00.549
feel like a lot of us want to be closed
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:02.470
off it's easy to be closed off and to be
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:05.350
in a little category for as many people
00:31:05.360 --> 00:31:09.470
who rant and rail and scream about
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:12.149
freedom and don't threaten my freedom
00:31:12.159 --> 00:31:16.470
and I want freedom. They really have no
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:18.950
concept of what they it is and actually
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:23.269
spend so much time trying to not be free
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.310
because the truth is freedom is scary.
00:31:26.320 --> 00:31:28.470
Freedom is the most terrifying thing you
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.269
will have because when you are free you
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:34.149
are accountable. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Right.
00:31:34.159 --> 00:31:35.669
You Right. Right. And you know, it's
00:31:35.679 --> 00:31:37.990
really interesting. Um, just kind of on
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:39.909
that same thought, like the this the
00:31:39.919 --> 00:31:44.509
fear. I saw um a post by um somebody
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:48.230
that Bill Hines in your Yeah. Okay. And
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.509
it and he he made a post about there
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:56.990
were 50 arrests at the oceanfront in 72
00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:01.269
hours and it was gun, you know, guns,
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:03.029
violence, and something else. Whatever.
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:04.549
Whatever. Okay. Was there a Republican
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.669
meeting?
00:32:07.679 --> 00:32:11.990
and um and and I you know and and and
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:13.310
just reading
00:32:13.320 --> 00:32:17.590
it I I initially was like that's a lot
00:32:17.600 --> 00:32:21.149
and then I I took a beat and I
00:32:21.159 --> 00:32:22.750
said
00:32:22.760 --> 00:32:27.430
okay but 72 hours I went to the
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.630
oceanfront twice in those 72 hours
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:34.310
myself to go patron businesses or go to
00:32:34.320 --> 00:32:35.990
the boardwalk art show or not boardwalk
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:37.669
art show but the uh beach art from Surf
00:32:37.679 --> 00:32:41.430
Expo. Um, never felt unsafe. Very much
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:43.190
enjoyed my time as a local going down to
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.509
the ocean front. Okay. And I and I and
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.029
there were thousands of people at the
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.470
ocean front. And so I commented back and
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:53.630
I just said, you know, in
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:56.110
perspective, there were thousands of
00:32:56.120 --> 00:33:00.389
people at the oceanfront this weekend.
00:33:00.399 --> 00:33:02.710
When you look at perspective of
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:05.350
thousands of people at the oceanfront in
00:33:05.360 --> 00:33:09.710
that 72 hours and only 50 arrests
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:12.549
happen, what does that what happens now
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:17.269
to your view or lens? Right? And I just
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.909
said, "What is it?" And I asked, I don't
00:33:19.919 --> 00:33:22.029
remember how I phrased it, but I was
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:25.590
like, what is it about, you know, these
00:33:25.600 --> 00:33:28.549
numbers that that how can we get you to
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.830
not be look at at at it through fear,
00:33:31.840 --> 00:33:33.669
right? What are you afraid of in your
00:33:33.679 --> 00:33:37.750
city? That that I just it very much
00:33:37.760 --> 00:33:39.230
showed me how
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:42.870
like steeped in fear they are literally
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.110
about everything. And that is not
00:33:46.120 --> 00:33:49.430
freedom. You are in chains. my friend,
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:53.110
you are in chains and and I feel so free
00:33:53.120 --> 00:33:56.630
because of my how accepting I am of of
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.110
everybody except for conservatives. But
00:33:59.120 --> 00:34:01.990
anyways, um but you honestly tolerate
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.310
them. I do. You know what I do? You're
00:34:04.320 --> 00:34:06.950
right. You're you're 100% right. Cuz
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.349
here's the truth. Um and I I know
00:34:09.359 --> 00:34:11.750
Melissa feels the same way about this is
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.990
it our problem is not with how they live
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:16.869
their lives. No, our problem is that
00:34:16.879 --> 00:34:19.349
they think everybody has to live their
00:34:19.359 --> 00:34:21.750
life. Yeah, that's right. That's right.
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.069
That's exactly right. Like, I don't care
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:25.990
if you want to live your life like that.
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.349
Like, it's fine. I I choose not to. And
00:34:29.359 --> 00:34:32.710
but you're not going to you're not going
00:34:32.720 --> 00:34:35.829
to um try to one legislate how that I
00:34:35.839 --> 00:34:38.790
live like you do. And two, I'm going to
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:42.750
call you out if I if I see you
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.190
fear-mongering. And cuz I don't think
00:34:45.200 --> 00:34:48.230
that this man intentionally was doing
00:34:48.240 --> 00:34:50.310
that, right? But I was trying to give
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.389
him some perspective like, bro, like
00:34:52.399 --> 00:34:53.750
thousands of people and you're going to
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:55.589
be like 50 arrests. Like that's a really
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:58.150
low percentage if you ask me. Bad apple
00:34:58.160 --> 00:35:00.230
out of the whole orchard. If there's
00:35:00.240 --> 00:35:03.829
1,000 people, that's literally 5% over 3
00:35:03.839 --> 00:35:06.950
days. Oh my gosh. Thank you. 5% of them.
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:08.390
I've been sitting here doing the math.
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:10.390
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Almost immediately,
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:12.230
actually. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but then
00:35:12.240 --> 00:35:15.349
that's the language that that is used to
00:35:15.359 --> 00:35:17.190
or that's how people are using language
00:35:17.200 --> 00:35:19.829
to spread certain rhetoric and elicit
00:35:19.839 --> 00:35:23.030
fear. It's like using the truth to make
00:35:23.040 --> 00:35:27.430
someone believe a lie. 5% is tiny. 5%
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:31.030
sounds tiny. 95% of the people there did
00:35:31.040 --> 00:35:35.990
not get arrested. But 50 50 50 is big.
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:37.910
And and when you don't give any other
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.150
numbers, you just 50 arrest when you
00:35:40.160 --> 00:35:41.990
just hyperfocus the negative and you
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.550
just microscope in on one thing, right?
00:35:44.560 --> 00:35:45.829
You know, you can make anything big
00:35:45.839 --> 00:35:47.670
enough if you zoom in on it. And that's
00:35:47.680 --> 00:35:50.310
and it's the same I the same thing with
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:53.510
sports trans people in sports. How many
00:35:53.520 --> 00:35:55.190
trans athletes are there in the whole
00:35:55.200 --> 00:35:58.310
entire country? Like 10. 12. And how
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:00.950
many athletes are in the whole country?
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.349
Like college athletes. It's just it's
00:36:03.359 --> 00:36:05.589
but that is that is their specialty.
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:07.510
That is their specialty and that is what
00:36:07.520 --> 00:36:11.349
we have to you know at least with the
00:36:11.359 --> 00:36:13.510
with people like I'm talking about like
00:36:13.520 --> 00:36:16.950
he hasn't responded to me that I can see
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:18.870
in the comments which often happens when
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:20.950
I make a point that they have a very
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.030
difficult time
00:36:23.040 --> 00:36:26.069
combating. They just ignore me. Yeah.
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:27.910
you know, they just don't even respond
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.550
and I'm like, "Y'all, this is not
00:36:30.560 --> 00:36:33.589
working right." Um, so I I consider that
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:36.069
winning though. It is. That's one thing
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:37.990
to understand is is when you're having
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:39.069
these
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:41.750
conversations, winning feels different.
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:43.349
Winning does win. Winning feels
00:36:43.359 --> 00:36:44.630
different when you're having these
00:36:44.640 --> 00:36:47.270
conversations. Sometimes the they don't
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:49.589
have anything to come back with is the
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.870
win is the win. Yeah. No, 100%. And so I
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:54.950
think like you know that we're just in
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:57.109
this you know, and it's like we're
00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.430
already and that's why I asked you, Kev,
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:01.270
about specifically about being in the
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:02.510
industry
00:37:02.520 --> 00:37:05.430
because, you know, just in the world
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.069
right now, it, you know, the
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.710
transmissia, the transphobia is like so
00:37:10.720 --> 00:37:12.550
strong and it it it feels like it's just
00:37:12.560 --> 00:37:14.790
permeated every single part of, you
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:16.630
know, our lives, you know, in
00:37:16.640 --> 00:37:18.150
day-to-day.
00:37:18.160 --> 00:37:19.950
And and then I
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:23.349
know that there's an entire like like
00:37:23.359 --> 00:37:26.230
that the tattoo industry is a whole
00:37:26.240 --> 00:37:29.750
other animal on its own that has its own
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:33.270
culture and has its own you know uh
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:35.670
major issues with misogyny and sexism
00:37:35.680 --> 00:37:37.510
and all these things. That's what's very
00:37:37.520 --> 00:37:39.589
curious and it's very brave by the way
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:44.390
like to be in our industry and live
00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:48.390
authentically and I need to just share
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:52.550
that with you that I like it's just very
00:37:52.560 --> 00:37:55.670
important that people live authentically
00:37:55.680 --> 00:37:58.950
as feeling as safe as they can but like
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:01.670
that I recognize how brave and
00:38:01.680 --> 00:38:03.750
courageous it is that you do that in the
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:06.069
spaces that you do it in because I know
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:07.910
what it's like to be in those spaces.
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:12.109
Thank you. Um, yeah, really thank you.
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.190
I I almost feel like though if it
00:38:15.200 --> 00:38:18.630
weren't for the freedom in the tattoo
00:38:18.640 --> 00:38:22.230
industry of expression, I might have had
00:38:22.240 --> 00:38:23.230
a harder
00:38:23.240 --> 00:38:24.829
time
00:38:24.839 --> 00:38:28.550
like socially transitioning. You know, I
00:38:28.560 --> 00:38:31.190
agree. When I'm in the tattoo industry,
00:38:31.200 --> 00:38:35.670
if I wear a crop top and I if I'm an AAB
00:38:35.680 --> 00:38:37.270
person and I decide that I want to wear
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:39.750
a crop top, who's going to question it?
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:42.470
I'm a tattoo artist. You know, people
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.069
have Allen wrenches dangling from their
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:48.630
ears, night and like they'll have all
00:38:48.640 --> 00:38:50.950
sorts of profanity written across their
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:56.310
eyebrow. Like what's one person dressing
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:59.109
a little stantily going to do? Like
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.349
every little step that I made industry
00:39:01.359 --> 00:39:06.150
yeah and every little step Oh my god.
00:39:06.160 --> 00:39:09.470
Every little step that I took in my
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:13.270
presentation was just like oh well this
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:15.030
person is already here and this is
00:39:15.040 --> 00:39:19.030
already a tattoo shop. Like what's
00:39:19.040 --> 00:39:21.750
what's a skirt? You know what's what's a
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:24.390
bodycon dress? You know I can they're
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:27.349
showing off all their tattoos. So like
00:39:27.359 --> 00:39:32.069
Yeah. Yeah. We um my we had a um
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.870
uh we had a an artist uh Micah Soul that
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.349
used to work with us. I follow Micah.
00:39:37.359 --> 00:39:40.069
Yeah. Yeah. And um and so years ago when
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:41.670
we did the first Hampton Roads Tattoo
00:39:41.680 --> 00:39:45.670
Convention the very first year um Micah
00:39:45.680 --> 00:39:48.950
said that um they wanted to dress. They
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:50.550
want they they had an outfit picked out
00:39:50.560 --> 00:39:53.670
and they were wearing a skirt and um you
00:39:53.680 --> 00:39:56.630
know were had just you know mentioned it
00:39:56.640 --> 00:40:01.190
and so my husband being the sweet sweet
00:40:01.200 --> 00:40:03.470
human he is
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:08.150
um wore his kilt the first day awesome
00:40:08.160 --> 00:40:13.510
of the the show so that he could uh be
00:40:13.520 --> 00:40:17.750
supportive of Micah um who was not Micah
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:19.990
at the time, but um but wanted to be in
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.470
support of Micah and and just that was
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:23.950
his way of being
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:26.069
like you're not going to say anything to
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:27.349
me. I mean, I don't know if you know who
00:40:27.359 --> 00:40:28.710
my husband is or what he looks like or
00:40:28.720 --> 00:40:29.990
anything like that, but he's very well
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:31.829
known in the industry and like he used
00:40:31.839 --> 00:40:34.630
to be much larger than he is now, but um
00:40:34.640 --> 00:40:37.589
he was a big big he's a big tattooed
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:39.430
scary man according to people, but he's
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:42.150
really not, right? Um, and so his thing
00:40:42.160 --> 00:40:44.550
is like, oh, like if you mess with if
00:40:44.560 --> 00:40:46.670
you mess with them, like you mess with
00:40:46.680 --> 00:40:49.190
me and we all know you're not messing
00:40:49.200 --> 00:40:51.829
with me. Yeah. So, you know. Yeah. I I
00:40:51.839 --> 00:40:53.670
love that. It's it's like he wore that
00:40:53.680 --> 00:40:57.430
to basically say that like, oh, what are
00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:59.349
you going to say about that person
00:40:59.359 --> 00:41:00.790
wearing that? I'm wearing the same
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:02.710
thing. Yeah. I'm wearing the exact same
00:41:02.720 --> 00:41:04.309
thing. You going to say that to my face?
00:41:04.319 --> 00:41:06.550
Mhm. That's right. And it's very it's
00:41:06.560 --> 00:41:09.030
very and you're right like that that is
00:41:09.040 --> 00:41:11.030
one thing about being in the industry is
00:41:11.040 --> 00:41:14.150
that the self-expression is so important
00:41:14.160 --> 00:41:16.309
to us. That's I mean you know that's
00:41:16.319 --> 00:41:18.710
what that's what we do. That's our job.
00:41:18.720 --> 00:41:20.470
That's our career. We pedal
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.270
self-expression. We pedal self Exactly.
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:26.630
Right. So um so yeah. So that I just you
00:41:26.640 --> 00:41:28.470
know I wanted to say that but like it it
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:30.710
really is it the self-expression piece
00:41:30.720 --> 00:41:33.349
of it. So sometimes we live in this
00:41:33.359 --> 00:41:35.990
weird space because there is this
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:38.069
misogyny, there is this sexism, there is
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:40.550
this judgment of others and to include
00:41:40.560 --> 00:41:43.030
normies, by the way. Like we judge the
00:41:43.040 --> 00:41:45.910
[ __ ] out of like all the time like
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:47.270
normies, you know what I mean? Like
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:49.190
we're like, "Oh, got a norm." Oh, here
00:41:49.200 --> 00:41:50.950
comes Jessica with all their fine line
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:52.710
tattoos. I bet she's going to say none
00:41:52.720 --> 00:41:55.349
of her tattoos hurt. I bet she's going
00:41:55.359 --> 00:41:56.790
to tell that to the person getting
00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:58.309
something in their ditch. And she would
00:41:58.319 --> 00:41:59.990
like it. And she would like it three
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.309
times smaller than it should be. Um
00:42:02.319 --> 00:42:05.349
Yeah. And can I get it in red? Yeah.
00:42:05.359 --> 00:42:07.190
Actually, better. How about white? Can I
00:42:07.200 --> 00:42:09.109
get white?
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.750
So, I'm sorry, Jessica. We Yes, we're
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:14.550
definitely making fun. Um but anyways,
00:42:14.560 --> 00:42:16.309
so
00:42:16.319 --> 00:42:18.550
don't worry. Karen signed for her. You
00:42:18.560 --> 00:42:21.109
came You started your transition in
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.589
Ohio, you were saying. Yeah. So, hard
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:27.550
mode. Hard mode. Hard mode in Ohio.
00:42:27.560 --> 00:42:29.990
Um, do you have any like family out here
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:31.950
or anything? How's
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:34.950
Not not really. I have a lot of chosen
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.790
family. I've come into contact with some
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:43.030
absolutely wonderful people and I have a
00:42:43.040 --> 00:42:45.349
very great chosen family down here.
00:42:45.359 --> 00:42:48.630
Amazing. Um, as for relatives and such,
00:42:48.640 --> 00:42:50.790
I have none around here. They're
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:54.950
scattered. I'm slowly finding like some
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:58.230
of them that are directly related and
00:42:58.240 --> 00:43:00.470
letting them know like, "Hey, you have a
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.710
sister by the way. Here I am." Um,
00:43:04.720 --> 00:43:07.510
meanwhile, my dad lives in Hawaii. My
00:43:07.520 --> 00:43:09.270
mom lives in upstate New York with my
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:11.750
little brother, and I don't have contact
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:13.910
with either of my parents for great
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:17.910
reason. Um, but yeah, no actual family
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:21.829
here or Ohio. Um, I did have a friend
00:43:21.839 --> 00:43:23.990
who's almost like family, more chosen
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:27.349
family, but in a way that her mom was
00:43:27.359 --> 00:43:29.349
best friends with my mom when I was
00:43:29.359 --> 00:43:33.829
born. Okay. So, like she's my sister, my
00:43:33.839 --> 00:43:37.430
my first sister like and she was living
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:41.109
in Ohio. So, that was kind of my in to
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:44.550
the place everybody wants to get out of.
00:43:44.560 --> 00:43:46.710
Yes. Very much. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But,
00:43:46.720 --> 00:43:48.470
but that was the space that you could go
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:51.150
in. Okay. Very cool. And I was still
00:43:51.160 --> 00:43:53.750
able I was still able to find a
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:56.390
community there when I came out and when
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:59.430
I started my transition, even if it
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:03.829
wasn't through the tattoo community that
00:44:03.839 --> 00:44:07.150
real nearby, I was and through customers
00:44:07.160 --> 00:44:11.829
especially I was able to find people in
00:44:11.839 --> 00:44:14.630
all stages of transition, gender
00:44:14.640 --> 00:44:18.309
identity, sexuality and it was actually
00:44:18.319 --> 00:44:20.630
a a much bigger exposure to the
00:44:20.640 --> 00:44:24.190
community than I had previously had down
00:44:24.200 --> 00:44:27.670
here frequencing the wave once a week.
00:44:27.680 --> 00:44:30.390
Mhm. Yeah. Um so that was that was
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:32.710
actually really heartwarming to me to
00:44:32.720 --> 00:44:36.069
see how eagerly and quickly they like
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:39.030
were accepting of me like not knowing
00:44:39.040 --> 00:44:40.950
who I was, knowing that I didn't know
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:43.030
who I was entirely either. Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:43.040 --> 00:44:46.069
Yeah. Um and yeah, so they helped me a
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:48.550
lot and Well, that's good. I'm glad I
00:44:48.560 --> 00:44:49.990
was going to ask that. Thanks for asking
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:51.510
that, too. I was going to I was also
00:44:51.520 --> 00:44:52.950
going to bring up that we actually the
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:54.230
first time that I heard about Cal, the
00:44:54.240 --> 00:44:55.349
first time that I got introduced was
00:44:55.359 --> 00:44:57.270
actually when producer Athena reached
00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:58.790
out and told me that they were
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:00.069
interested in getting their very first
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.430
tattoo and uh Cav of course was like I
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:05.270
just talked about this amazing artist
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.589
and um I don't know producer are we
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:10.550
allowed to show would you
00:45:10.560 --> 00:45:15.109
Oh. Oh, yep. There it is. There we go.
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.190
Oh, and the sticker. Thank you. Oh, yes.
00:45:17.200 --> 00:45:18.470
And also I would like to give a shout
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:20.230
out to Cav. Cav has actually volunteered
00:45:20.240 --> 00:45:21.990
their their amazing skill as an artist
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:23.589
for a sticker pack. We're fundraising
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:25.270
right now through the month of Pride
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:26.309
throughout the rest of the year to help
00:45:26.319 --> 00:45:27.910
fund our trans family dinner program.
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.390
And C was like, I've got art. I'm then I
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:32.309
was like, you are an amazing artist. And
00:45:32.319 --> 00:45:33.990
obviously it kind of represents the the
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:35.430
project that Athena has been helping the
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:36.790
Kais Coalition spread throughout the
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:38.390
Hampton Roads area, putting all these
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:39.910
little cranes out, these little joy
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:42.150
cranes. And now those stickers are
00:45:42.160 --> 00:45:43.990
launching on the store Saturday, you
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:45.510
said? Yes, you can go online and
00:45:45.520 --> 00:45:48.670
pre-order on Saturday. You can go to
00:45:48.680 --> 00:45:50.150
kalecoalition.com/stickers or you can go
00:45:50.160 --> 00:45:52.150
to kalecoalition.com and you'll be able
00:45:52.160 --> 00:45:53.990
to navigate up there from the navbar to
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:55.990
find all the details there. You can buy
00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:57.349
individual stickers. We've got ones
00:45:57.359 --> 00:45:59.510
designed by local 16-year-old uh trans
00:45:59.520 --> 00:46:01.349
youth. We've got ones designed by all of
00:46:01.359 --> 00:46:03.349
our uh amazing non-binary folks. We have
00:46:03.359 --> 00:46:05.510
one designed by Ton Tuff Cretton, the
00:46:05.520 --> 00:46:07.430
artist and resident at the 757 Creative
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:09.670
Review Center right now and and more. We
00:46:09.680 --> 00:46:11.030
have so many cool things. So, check him
00:46:11.040 --> 00:46:12.630
out. Go on to the sticker shop. See if
00:46:12.640 --> 00:46:14.069
you can't get some stickers. help us
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:17.430
spread trans and get some people fed and
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:19.910
helped. Absolutely. These these stickers
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.150
are absolutely beautiful. Not not just
00:46:22.160 --> 00:46:24.550
not just mine. I saw the packet and I
00:46:24.560 --> 00:46:27.270
was like, "Oh my god, this is so great."
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:30.069
I love all the expression coming out
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:31.589
from these. So definitely check them
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:33.670
out. Pick them up. Yep. They're great.
00:46:33.680 --> 00:46:35.430
Our mission is literally to spread trans
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.270
works excellence and joy. And Cav is
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.190
helping us fulfill our mission.
00:46:39.200 --> 00:46:40.870
Literally helping spread and make beauty
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:42.390
all across the Hampton Roads. So, get
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:43.990
your sticker packs, put up the stickers,
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:45.910
and then tag us at Kayla's Coalition or
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:47.510
tag the artists so that we can help
00:46:47.520 --> 00:46:49.150
spread even more trans
00:46:49.160 --> 00:46:53.190
joy. That's amazing. And um put them
00:46:53.200 --> 00:46:55.349
everywhere. I know. And how can we find
00:46:55.359 --> 00:46:57.910
you on like Instagram? Um yeah, you can
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:01.030
find me on Instagram, Kavalis Fox. It's
00:47:01.040 --> 00:47:05.349
going to be like C A V A L A S and then
00:47:05.359 --> 00:47:09.030
Fox like Fox n
00:47:09.040 --> 00:47:11.829
two X's. One X. One X. Got it. Awesome.
00:47:11.839 --> 00:47:15.270
All one word, no underscores, no spaces,
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:18.470
no periods or anything. I'm very lucky
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:20.790
to have a name nobody's heard of because
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:24.790
nobody's used it. That's perfect. And um
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:27.910
you can also find me on Blue Sky like
00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:34.069
Kavales Fox P A W K E S or on threads at
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:38.309
the same handle for Instagram. Um
00:47:38.319 --> 00:47:39.990
good. Hopefully you'll get some folks to
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:41.430
follow. I will definitely drop you a
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.230
follow. I'm on blue sky and threads and
00:47:44.240 --> 00:47:46.069
Insta, although I don't do Insta as
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:47.910
much. So, I guess I got supposed to get
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:50.630
on Sky. Oh, you haven't got on Blue Sky
00:47:50.640 --> 00:47:52.950
yet? I just got on Instagram a couple
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:54.470
months ago. So, I got on Blue Sky, but
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:57.430
the my thing with Blue Sky is that um it
00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:59.550
doesn't algo for you. You have to do it
00:47:59.560 --> 00:48:01.589
yourself and like that. Apparently,
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:05.510
that's the appealing thing about it.
00:48:05.520 --> 00:48:08.150
I could see that. I know. I do too. I do
00:48:08.160 --> 00:48:10.309
too. Except that like I'm not into I'm
00:48:10.319 --> 00:48:12.150
like can't you just show me stuff I need
00:48:12.160 --> 00:48:15.190
to see. Listen in on my phone. Like just
00:48:15.200 --> 00:48:16.630
show me feedback. Spy on me and give me
00:48:16.640 --> 00:48:18.309
what I want. Spy on me. Give me what I
00:48:18.319 --> 00:48:20.550
want. Like you know. Yeah. Exactly.
00:48:20.560 --> 00:48:21.990
Please don't spy on me. Just give me
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:24.549
what I want. Okay. They're already
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:26.390
spying on us. Patriot Act. Hello.
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:28.150
They're already spying on us. So they've
00:48:28.160 --> 00:48:30.150
been been spying on us. Been spying on
00:48:30.160 --> 00:48:33.990
us. Like there was a thing way years ago
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:36.150
about the NSA listening to our phones
00:48:36.160 --> 00:48:37.990
like Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the Patriot
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:39.990
Act. Basically, we just gave all of our,
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:41.670
you know, whatever. I did learn
00:48:41.680 --> 00:48:43.510
something absolutely terrifying, though.
00:48:43.520 --> 00:48:46.069
I'm going to be honest um just the other
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:48.549
day and it's got my tummy in a twist
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:52.710
because um you know my eagerness years
00:48:52.720 --> 00:48:56.549
ago to want because we travel a lot uh
00:48:56.559 --> 00:49:00.630
and wanting to get TSA pre-check because
00:49:00.640 --> 00:49:03.750
why wouldn't you if you travel a lot
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:05.750
want to not go through all the [ __ ]
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:08.230
right through security and have just
00:49:08.240 --> 00:49:10.549
less [ __ ] right and you pay 80 bucks
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:12.309
and then you get this number and then it
00:49:12.319 --> 00:49:14.230
goes on your plane tickets and then you
00:49:14.240 --> 00:49:15.510
get to go through the fancy machine
00:49:15.520 --> 00:49:17.630
without taking your shoes and belts off,
00:49:17.640 --> 00:49:19.549
right?
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:24.230
Well, I just saw a video and it about
00:49:24.240 --> 00:49:27.910
this uh from an attorney who basically
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:30.230
was like, "Little did you know,
00:49:30.240 --> 00:49:32.309
everybody who has TSA PreCheck, you
00:49:32.319 --> 00:49:36.150
essentially like signed away pretty much
00:49:36.160 --> 00:49:39.109
like all of your with a TSA Pre-Check
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:40.950
number to the government." Like when it
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:44.470
comes to like uh uh they let you through
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.510
cuz they know they let they well they'll
00:49:47.520 --> 00:49:49.750
and now they can confiscate all my
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:52.150
things cuz they know because I because
00:49:52.160 --> 00:49:53.589
when you signed up for that like
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:55.430
apparently what all the [ __ ] we signed
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:57.430
up for it's basically giving them all
00:49:57.440 --> 00:49:59.030
the rights to be able to take all of our
00:49:59.040 --> 00:50:01.030
[ __ ] So just stay in the line. Just do
00:50:01.040 --> 00:50:04.069
the line. Yeah. Yeah. So stay Yeah. So,
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:06.069
never ever ever if you do not have TSA
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.109
pre-check, do not ever ever get TSA
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:13.990
pre-check. Ever. So, um Yep. Yeah. So, I
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:15.109
don't know. Y'all going to find me in a
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.589
gool log somewhere.
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:20.230
Oh, y'all better put a air tag on me.
00:50:20.240 --> 00:50:21.829
I'm sure I'm on a lip. Y'all y'all
00:50:21.839 --> 00:50:23.349
better do something so y'all know where
00:50:23.359 --> 00:50:24.870
I am. I don't know how you need to do
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:27.829
it, but put a air like implant chip. I
00:50:27.839 --> 00:50:29.829
don't know. Can I Can Can I get a chip
00:50:29.839 --> 00:50:31.670
like a dog? Like, can can I get I think
00:50:31.680 --> 00:50:32.710
they can do that. I think they can do
00:50:32.720 --> 00:50:35.349
that. They do that now. Yeah. Like I
00:50:35.359 --> 00:50:37.750
think I'm sure would like that way too
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.230
much. Melissa, I'm saying I mean they
00:50:40.240 --> 00:50:42.790
just they they probably do that. How
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:44.549
many rich people would do that to their
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:46.790
kids? Actually actually they need to be
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:48.630
microchipped. I don't know how advanced
00:50:48.640 --> 00:50:50.309
they've gotten with it, but I know it
00:50:50.319 --> 00:50:52.230
was years ago when they actually started
00:50:52.240 --> 00:50:53.829
microchipping people. And I think they
00:50:53.839 --> 00:50:57.510
even did some uh like test runs with
00:50:57.520 --> 00:50:59.349
firefighters and stuff like that in
00:50:59.359 --> 00:51:01.030
different states that have like your
00:51:01.040 --> 00:51:02.470
medical information and things like
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:03.829
that. You know who's going to have that
00:51:03.839 --> 00:51:05.349
knew who's going to know? My piercer is
00:51:05.359 --> 00:51:07.750
definitely going to know. Ryan has Ryan
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:09.990
has a magnet in his finger. He's had it
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:11.829
for years. So he like it's a like a part
00:51:11.839 --> 00:51:13.670
he uses it a party trick. It's like a
00:51:13.680 --> 00:51:16.069
it's a not a not a strong magnet, but
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:17.589
it's like under his skin. He all kinds
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:19.670
of party tricks. I should ask him. I
00:51:19.680 --> 00:51:22.069
feel like I've seen that on Instagram.
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:23.349
Yeah, he has like a magnet in his
00:51:23.359 --> 00:51:24.790
finger. He had it. Supposed to give you
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:26.549
like that extra sensory perception of
00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:28.390
like electromagnetic cuz it like pulls
00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:29.430
at the Because you have a lot of nerve
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:30.630
endings at your fingertips and your
00:51:30.640 --> 00:51:32.950
lips. No, he just literally did. He did
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:34.710
it for a cool party trick. I swear to
00:51:34.720 --> 00:51:36.790
God. He can pick up pick up a nail at
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:38.150
the bottom of a drain. Yeah, he just
00:51:38.160 --> 00:51:40.630
does. And it's not even that strong. And
00:51:40.640 --> 00:51:42.069
it's not like it'll be effective for
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:45.270
piercings because like surgical steel is
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:46.870
not magnetized. Not magnetized. Yeah.
00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:48.549
No, it's literally just a cool party.
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:50.630
He's crazy. He just a cool party trick.
00:51:50.640 --> 00:51:53.109
You know those body mod people like they
00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:55.270
they're a whole another level. I don't
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:58.790
um Yeah.
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:04.069
Oh my god. My throat.
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:07.190
Sorry. Okay. Well, I am I am glad that I
00:52:07.200 --> 00:52:09.150
will not have to go through a
00:52:09.160 --> 00:52:12.790
TSA line pre-check or not at least a
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.510
little while. Yes. Way too much. Well,
00:52:15.520 --> 00:52:17.750
lots of fun. Yes. Yep. Over Memorial
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.309
Day. Really love my camping trip. We've
00:52:20.319 --> 00:52:23.549
missed Cody and all of that. But so much
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:28.069
flying, just like 12 hours flying. And I
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:29.750
did like the night. So like I left at
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.630
like, you know, 9:30 or something and
00:52:32.640 --> 00:52:35.510
flew overnight and got the most amazing
00:52:35.520 --> 00:52:40.870
rest in the middle feet of an airplane.
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:44.069
Sleeping on a cloud in the clouds. Yes.
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.150
Yes. I know. But I got a trick. Like I I
00:52:46.160 --> 00:52:48.230
I saw somebody do it a long time ago and
00:52:48.240 --> 00:52:51.190
I learned you get your backpack and you
00:52:51.200 --> 00:52:53.910
stuff it full of like sweaters so it's
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:56.069
just like really big and then you put
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:58.150
that on the food tray in front of you.
00:52:58.160 --> 00:53:00.630
Yep. And then you you have a And it's
00:53:00.640 --> 00:53:02.549
the best way to sleep in the middle.
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:05.510
Yep. But money. I did come back to this
00:53:05.520 --> 00:53:08.950
cool shirt. I like your shirt. I didn't
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:10.710
realize that was a new shirt. For some
00:53:10.720 --> 00:53:11.829
reason I thought you would have already
00:53:11.839 --> 00:53:14.470
had that shirt. I know this this is a
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:15.870
new shirt.
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:17.950
Um,
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:22.670
Stevie Safe Spaces, okay, is the
00:53:22.680 --> 00:53:25.270
website where you can get this shirt.
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:27.630
But this is a shirt that
00:53:27.640 --> 00:53:30.390
um I'm so embarrassed for not
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:33.750
remembering Doctor Who's name right now.
00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:36.870
Matt Smith, David Tenant. David Tenant.
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:38.390
That's right. David Tenant is a big
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:40.870
bigger champion. Yes. This Stevie sent
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.470
this this shirt to David Pennington.
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:46.309
I got the same one. I'm kind of Are you
00:53:46.319 --> 00:53:47.510
telling me you're wearing the same thing
00:53:47.520 --> 00:53:49.030
as the doctor? I'm wearing the same
00:53:49.040 --> 00:53:51.910
thing as the doctor. 20 foot long scarf
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:53.910
and you'll be good. No, just I don't
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:55.349
know who David Tenant is, but can we
00:53:55.359 --> 00:53:57.030
talk about Pedro Pascal then? Okay, let
00:53:57.040 --> 00:53:59.270
me Pascal. David Tennant is also daddy.
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:00.950
I'm just saying. Oh, David Tenn is also
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:03.430
daddy. David Tennant is daddy. 100%
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:07.030
David maybe, but still daddy. Oh yeah.
00:54:07.040 --> 00:54:10.630
Um I don't know. Pedro Pascal is so my
00:54:10.640 --> 00:54:13.349
daddy. Oh,
00:54:13.359 --> 00:54:16.470
love him. Love him and his sister and
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:19.990
his sister and his love for his sister
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:23.829
and how just I mean he's literally like
00:54:23.839 --> 00:54:27.030
I just I just love him. I mean I don't
00:54:27.040 --> 00:54:29.990
tend to fawn over like that but like
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:31.510
stars and you know what I mean famous
00:54:31.520 --> 00:54:33.670
people but
00:54:33.680 --> 00:54:35.910
Pedro. We love now. Now I need to look
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:38.390
at David. David Tennant. Yes. Okay. So I
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:41.190
don't watch Dr. Like I I never got into
00:54:41.200 --> 00:54:44.790
Wasn't he also in Good Omens? Good. Good
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:46.870
Omens as well. He's in a lot of things.
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:48.630
You'll when you see the picture of him
00:54:48.640 --> 00:54:51.109
and you'll be like, "Oh, I'm looking
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:53.750
him. The doctor great." Nope. Scottish
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:57.349
actor. Yes. He was also had a great
00:54:57.359 --> 00:55:00.150
Catherine show. Oh yes. The Catherine
00:55:00.160 --> 00:55:01.990
Tate show. Yes. I love the Catherate.
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:04.670
Yes. I'm super stoked that Stevie sent
00:55:04.680 --> 00:55:07.750
me sent me this shirt and I got a great
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:09.910
sweater sweatshirt hoodie too and
00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:11.990
another great shirt. So, if you're
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:14.069
listening, go check out Stevie Safe
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:17.710
Spaces and find some cool shirts and
00:55:17.720 --> 00:55:21.510
uh absolutely do that. Oh, yeah. I went
00:55:21.520 --> 00:55:23.109
to a drag show over the weekend and it
00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:26.349
was a wicked drag show. Ooh.
00:55:26.359 --> 00:55:29.349
So, maybe you're really cramping my
00:55:29.359 --> 00:55:32.790
style here. Okay. Um, so this was
00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:34.390
fascinating. So it was at the Funny Bone
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:36.150
Comedy Club. Um, so it was really
00:55:36.160 --> 00:55:37.270
interesting cuz I was like, "Hm, I
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:39.109
wonder how they're going to do this."
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:43.349
They It was hilarious. So Cake Pop um is
00:55:43.359 --> 00:55:46.150
the queen who organized the whole thing
00:55:46.160 --> 00:55:49.030
and Jennifer Warner um was also one of
00:55:49.040 --> 00:55:52.390
the queens and then I sadly cannot
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:54.390
remember the other the king. There was a
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:55.990
king and then there was a queen and I
00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:57.190
sadly cannot remember their names. I'm
00:55:57.200 --> 00:56:01.109
so sorry. But um it was awesome. They
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:02.630
kept calling it community theater
00:56:02.640 --> 00:56:05.430
because they were basically doing the
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:08.710
song like they were kind of acting out
00:56:08.720 --> 00:56:11.109
they were the scenes
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:14.950
with the songs of Wicked. So and they
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:17.030
did it in the you know like through like
00:56:17.040 --> 00:56:18.390
the movie. So, it wasn't the whole
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:20.710
movie, of course, cuz it was a long
00:56:20.720 --> 00:56:23.589
movie, but it was like the best scenes
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:25.910
and they like enacted them and it was it
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:27.829
was it was a different kind of a drag
00:56:27.839 --> 00:56:30.789
show, but it was super fun. Um, really
00:56:30.799 --> 00:56:32.630
really really fun, especially because,
00:56:32.640 --> 00:56:34.470
you know, it's just everybody likes to
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:36.710
sing Wicked Well, maybe not everybody
00:56:36.720 --> 00:56:38.470
likes to sing wicked songs, but it was
00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:41.270
it's very enjoyable. And then they did
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:43.190
um they did like the last like 30
00:56:43.200 --> 00:56:45.670
minutes was like drag, you know, where
00:56:45.680 --> 00:56:47.030
they, you know, they had Sabrina
00:56:47.040 --> 00:56:49.270
Carpenter and Gaga and and that was
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:52.069
really Yeah, it was really great. But um
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:53.990
but yeah, they packed us into that funny
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:55.030
bone. Like if you've ever been to the
00:56:55.040 --> 00:56:56.470
funny bone for a comedy show and how
00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:58.870
they pack you in there, that's how they
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.549
kind of did with the drag show too. And
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:06.069
it was Yeah. It was a little bit snug.
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:09.510
So, they couldn't really do their
00:57:09.520 --> 00:57:12.150
audience stuff as much. They did they oh
00:57:12.160 --> 00:57:13.430
my gosh, they did a great job working
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:15.510
the audience as you know much as they
00:57:15.520 --> 00:57:16.789
could, but there's just not like a lot
00:57:16.799 --> 00:57:18.390
of space in between those tables and
00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:20.069
stuff. So, yeah, you know, we didn't get
00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:22.390
any acrobatics or anything, but it was
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:25.190
it was amazing. No, well, on the stage
00:57:25.200 --> 00:57:27.030
once, but but yeah, but no, it was
00:57:27.040 --> 00:57:28.710
great. Now, I just wanted to also say if
00:57:28.720 --> 00:57:29.990
you're looking for some amazing
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:31.589
performances, Pride I mean, we have
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:32.789
Pride Month coming up, y'all. There's
00:57:32.799 --> 00:57:34.309
some amazing things. One that I want to
00:57:34.319 --> 00:57:36.150
give a shout out especially to Hold on.
00:57:36.160 --> 00:57:40.230
Wait, wait, wait for the shout out.
00:57:40.240 --> 00:57:41.589
Okay, I think the Navy has started to
00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:43.589
depart. Wait, they're just flying every
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:45.750
jet today.
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:48.150
Every single one. Um on June 7th, uh
00:57:48.160 --> 00:57:49.670
Hampton Roads Unity is going to be
00:57:49.680 --> 00:57:52.230
having their uh large uh what is it? Uh
00:57:52.240 --> 00:57:53.510
crowning ceremony where they're going to
00:57:53.520 --> 00:57:54.710
be picking their kings and queens for
00:57:54.720 --> 00:57:56.470
the year. Um a lot of our local
00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:57.990
performers, a lot of our local talent.
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:00.069
Um, I know we had Libra on our show
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:02.069
earlier this year. Um, currently holding
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:03.829
the the uh the title and going to be
00:58:03.839 --> 00:58:05.109
passing the title to the next one that
00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:06.470
will be picked. So, if you would like to
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:07.829
get involved, if you like to come out,
00:58:07.839 --> 00:58:09.430
if you like to have an amazing show with
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:11.030
lots of drops and amazing local
00:58:11.040 --> 00:58:12.710
performers and they need the love and
00:58:12.720 --> 00:58:14.470
support, come out. Make sure you go
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:16.230
follow uh Hampton Roads Unity on all
00:58:16.240 --> 00:58:17.510
this all the socials. You can find out
00:58:17.520 --> 00:58:18.789
more information. I believe it's like I
00:58:18.799 --> 00:58:20.789
said June 7th that evening. Not sure the
00:58:20.799 --> 00:58:21.990
exact time right off the top of my head.
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:23.750
I think it's going to be at uh 37th and
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:26.470
Zen probably from 5 to 7 start time. So,
00:58:26.480 --> 00:58:27.829
double double triple check. Make sure
00:58:27.839 --> 00:58:29.109
you're following it and don't miss out
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:30.630
on that show. It's going to be a lot of
00:58:30.640 --> 00:58:32.549
fun. Oh, that'll be great. And then um
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:34.549
trans family dinner. Oh yes. We can
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:35.750
never forget about the trans family
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:37.270
dinner. We're not going to have one in
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:38.549
June because there are so many
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:39.910
opportunities. We don't want to try to
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:41.349
crowd the the calendar already with
00:58:41.359 --> 00:58:42.710
everything else. The next one is going
00:58:42.720 --> 00:58:44.309
to be in July. We're going to be having
00:58:44.319 --> 00:58:46.309
a uh what is it? A trans spangled banner
00:58:46.319 --> 00:58:49.430
cookout. I think the I like that. It's
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:50.789
going to be a ton of fun. And you can go
00:58:50.799 --> 00:58:53.870
and RSVP at
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:55.710
kalecoition.comtfd.
00:58:55.720 --> 00:58:57.670
kalecolition.comtfd. can sign up. Come
00:58:57.680 --> 00:58:59.349
out and join us. It's an encrypted sign
00:58:59.359 --> 00:59:01.109
up form. And yeah, we're going to have
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:02.630
fun. We're going to be playing cornhole
00:59:02.640 --> 00:59:06.230
and and I'm always always happy when
00:59:06.240 --> 00:59:08.870
when Pride Month comes along. Yes. It's
00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:11.750
like another holiday season. It feels
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:14.470
like there's always just, you know, so
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:17.270
many fun things to do and and great
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:21.109
spaces to be in. Um, you know, and it's
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:23.190
warm enough to be outside and it's
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summer time, which which just makes it
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all that much better. Um, I think it's
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important for to remind everybody,
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especially this year, that pride is a
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protest. Mhm. Being yourself is a pure
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form of resistance.
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And so is
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joy. And that's what we spread here, the
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Kaos Coalition. That's what we spread
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here in our lives. Go out there and
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spread it in your lives because as we've
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learned and as we will learn going
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forward in the future, transjoy defeats
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hate every time. Damn right. Damn right.
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