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Welcome to the Smarticle podcast.
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He's Dandon, I'm Ari, and
guess what, everybody?
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We have a triple guest host today.
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Godfather himself, Kirk Peterson,
joining the Smarticle podcast.
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Hello there, Kirk.
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Good morning, gentlemen.
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Been name dropped many times on this show.
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This is great because Kirk has joined
me on all of my podcasts now, I believe.
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Every podcast I've ever had, Kirk
is now, like, when Keller fired me,
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Brandon, Kirk was the one to just
be there and put his arm around.
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Not like you.
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Gentle hug.
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Gentle hug.
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I thought you guys did like a sports
podcast together at one point.
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He was always the fill in host.
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He, I, the only show I ever listened to.
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Let's not mix up the niceties because
I loved today's topic too much.
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So let's get into it.
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Here is your five seconds of silence
before we get into the smarticle
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podcast brought today by the
great Brandon Doble and smarticle.
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Okay.
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Here is your headline.
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Holly Amory, pregnancy, and the truth
about what happens when a baby enters the
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picture, the great David Oliver brings
us this lovely dandy in the USA today.
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Brandon, you're welcome.
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Mag a meter, please.
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He's woke, but this, once again,
this is a USA today article
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that got it from somewhere else.
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So definitely seven on the Mocha Meal.
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All right.
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We're going to get into this.
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Cause I don't even know
how I feel about it.
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So here, I'm going to read you a
smidge, then we'll get into it.
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Uncle Kirk.
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Ashley Hefley didn't have a second
baby on her 2023 bingo card.
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She and her husband hadn't
planned on expanding their family.
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They had already had one child together,
but that May, they drew up other plans.
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She took a test just in case a
few days after missing her period.
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It quickly turned positive.
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What else wasn't on her bingo card?
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A third baby right around the same time.
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No, Hefley wasn't having twins.
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She and her husband were also in a
relationship with another woman, Anna.
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A polyamorous throuple found out Anna
was pregnant too a few months later.
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Hefley's story is one of many.
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Polyamorous relationships, while not
new, have become more prominent and
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commonplace in the last few years.
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As these relationships flourish,
in years past, babies are
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becoming part of the equation.
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I know that we say this often.
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But I live in San Francisco.
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I don't know what you think
of what San Francisco is.
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I did not know truffles were a thing!
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I'm reading the USA Today,
and I'm like, wait a minute.
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People are having babies, living
together, I live in San Francisco,
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I thought I was a cool guy.
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Am I outside the ring of
what's the new normal, Brandon?
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I'm going to hold my comments because
I really want to hear from Uncle
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Kirk on this one, because Uncle
Kirk and I are more closely aligned
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politically in terms of the concern.
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Grandpa's coming out today.
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I'm just telling you that right now.
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So I just want to warn everybody, Peggy
damn kids get off my lawn because this
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is ridiculous, but I'll save my thoughts.
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I'd love to hear what
Kirk thinks about this.
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First of all, I like that
you've got a third host for the
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polyamory it worked out perfect.
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Someone would say they're pregnant now.
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This would be even better.
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What what I don't understand
about these is the logistics
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that they don't ever discuss.
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Are they all three in one bed?
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Does each woman have a separate room?
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Like Mormons?
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Yeah.
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I don't quite think I
can't quite figure out.
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How'd the inner workings of that go?
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I like that you go right to logistics.
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You're like, I just can't figure it out.
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And it's yeah, that's a weird one.
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I'm being married to one
person is difficult enough.
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Not trying to do it with multiple people.
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Seems, seems like you're
just asking for trouble.
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I think that I've always thought that it
would be, this idea of plural marriage
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in the LDS community or other communities
where you have multiple wives, these
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do this dude, that's got eight wives
and he's got to take care of them.
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They have their nights and that show,
big love, all that stuff going on.
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And I always thought to myself, I'm like,
man, A better way to do this would be
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one woman and eight dudes, because it's
like, Hey it's like the Seinfeld episode.
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It's your day to do the shopping with her.
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It's your day to go to the, I can
barely keep up with one wife barely.
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And I don't even think I keep up.
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I think I'm just hanging
on by my fingernails.
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I think that women would do a much
better job being in a plural marriage
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than men if they had multiple husbands.
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I don't get the polyamory thing at all.
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It seems so bizarrely selfish that I
just can't even wrap my head around it.
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It's like, why?
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Why?
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Just don't get married.
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Thank you, Grandpa.
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Thank you for right on cue, Grandpa.
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I know.
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I somewhat believe in a gods, as
we've talked about on this thing,
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and I some believe it, goddess maybe
made people, and I believe God made
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gay people and transgender people.
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I believe God made the whole shebang.
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So under my auspice, I have to believe
ish that this goddess universe thing
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also made people that wanna be in
multiple married couple relationships.
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I don't feel like this is going
to something that's going to make
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an article in the national review.
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I'm just spitballing here.
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Who cares about what the
national review thinks?
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What I mean is that I think
there's a, there is a sort of
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a standard cultural expert.
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I don't disagree.
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Hey, did you want to be
in a polyamorous marriage?
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You do whatever you want, but that
said the ones that are going to
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suffer guaranteed, they're going
to write books about this later on.
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It's the kids that come out
of these relationships are
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going to be a train wreck.
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An absolute train wreck.
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I have several, many same sex couples, and
they always say it's a struggle being a
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good parent, just like it is for anybody,
but being a same sex parent, they have to
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work really hard to bring other, the other
gender types in, and it's a challenge.
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You got three, four, five
people raising three kids.
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I just, I don't get it.
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I don't understand.
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It's like Kirk's thing about.
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Where do they sleep?
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That to me is the heart, like
who's parenting these kids.
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To me, it feels a little bit too.
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Like prostitution, the idea that, you
know, Hey, some people are okay with it
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being legal, but it ends up turning into
somebody who's getting taken advantage
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of these, just, this just feels like a.
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There's a high probability that
these relationships are, you talked
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about the guy with eight wives.
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Like that just, that
doesn't feel like the.
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Women in that situation are
being totally taken care of.
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Now I could be wrong about that, but
I, it feels like this was a situation
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where that could come up, right?
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That somebody is getting
taken advantage of.
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Chorus.
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You're like the fourth wife down.
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And so you're like the maid, not
really a wife or whatever it is.
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But you could argue that you could
have a polyamorous relationship
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with two men and a woman.
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So it's not like it, it has
to be that way, but I don't
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disagree with you at all, Kirk.
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I think that it's like these people
that talk about being swingers.
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It's always the dude that had
the idea to be the swinger.
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The dude's like, Hey honey, we got
to bring other people into them.
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Spice it up.
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Then they always end up divorce.
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You're like of course, I want to know
what would happen if you walked into
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the double family meeting and we're
like, Corey, Hey, I got this idea.
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That we, I don't like,
could we shake it up?
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What's her response?
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Literally, she probably
wouldn't even look up.
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She probably would just
be like, You're an idiot.
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And just keep doing
whatever she was doing.
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She'd be like, Yeah dude, you're an idiot.
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Okay, whatever.
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I honestly think that she knows me
well enough to know that, That is
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so far beyond the pale of the way
I think, That I would be a, yeah.
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So no, I don't.
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What would happen if you
went home to Karen Olson?
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It would only work if I said, Hey, we're
gonna be in a relationship with Adobles
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and they gonna want to do some things.
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That's not true.
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That is not true.
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That's absolutely gross.
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I like the idea of you pitching this
to Cori and then just saying , no.
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But what I want is Six other guys.
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Cause I want to pick up basketball games.
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It's just, I want to have
that in the house available.
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Do you know what, honestly, no one's
listening to the show full disclosure.
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That'd be fricking great.
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That'd be awesome.
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If you like had a bunch of buddies be like
living in the fraternity house again, but
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she had one wife and she'd help Oh my God.
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I say, Hey dude, let's
go play some golf, right?
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Your buddies should be fantastic.
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It'd be, I think it'd be great to
have somebody to watch LPGA golf with.
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It'd be fantastic.
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Coming back to this idea of, I feel
like life has gotten so complicated.
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Like just even just one single issue.
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My kids on the internet
trying to get them off.
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They're like, it's just so complicated.
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I just want to streamline the
complications out of my life.
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This just sounds Oh my God, throwing
gasoline on the fire of my life.
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This is, I don't recommend this.
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Go ahead.
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Go ahead, people.
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Let me ask you a serious question.
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You're both dads.
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You both have multiple children.
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I have, it's funny cause it's
one, two, and three for us.
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And I think about it as a dad, like
trying to raise my daughter to be a good
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human being, to be a good adult, that
idea of you, we're not here to raise
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them as kids, or we're here to raise
them and be the best adults they can be.
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How does that work?
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Being serious, it's a real question.
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Like, how do you think the
parenting works in that situation?
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So I actually go the other
way from where you took this.
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I think having more adults.
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Involved in your kids' lives is as role
models in, in authoritarian positions.
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Maybe works out better.
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That, like I try to get Larry
and, other friends involved.
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As much as possible so they can
learn from different perspectives.
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Having additional parents, I don't know.
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I don't know if that's a bad thing.
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Yeah, I guess maybe rephrase that.
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Cause I completely agree with you on that.
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Having multiple people and that's
about Larry and I bingo square about
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community and building community.
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Real authentic community.
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But yeah, that's, there's a polyamorous
means that your dad stooping some
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other lady, that's not your mom.
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There's, what do you say?
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I guess you could say, Hey, you
have an honest conversation.
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Say daddy loves more than one or
mommy loves more than one person.
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But how do you, I want you to
think about that, how you would
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address that with your kids.
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You're like, Hey, daddy's got needs
and he needs to stop this other lady.
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Yeah.
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But now she's mom number two.
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Being serious, how do you, in a world
where this person's gotta grow up and
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go out into a normal world, what does
that kid say when that's going down?
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These are the questions I want answered
from somebody inside this thing.
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My tagline on this show, Kirk, is,
We're going to talk about stuff that
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we have no authority to talk about.
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I'm not a psychologist.
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I couldn't be further from the polyamorous
relationship, yet we're going to
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We got no credentials.
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Yeah, but I don't think people even, I
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level, understood that this kind of
thing was going on or was possible.
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It's in the USA today!
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No, I know, but before reading this
article, I'm like, wow, they're, There's
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got to be more than just like one
wacky person in Mendocino doing this.
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This is like large enough
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I don't know how many people
are involved in polyamorous,
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but I think Kirk said it right.
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These are the questions I want to answer.
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And Larry, you've got three kids.
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And when you're in a situation
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doesn't it always end up being.
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Two against one, like, isn't there,
are there shifting alliances, right?
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Like it's always two against one.
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So you figure that same
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Although I will say when I had my third
kid, someone gave us the advice like, Hey
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If you're going to have three, have four.
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So under that auspice, Kirk,
I should have multiple wives.
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Did uncle Kirk give you that advice?
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I wasn't here with somebody else,
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said I should have three wives.
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All right, so I didn't have an opinion on
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I'm leaving this conversation is I believe
in polyamory, but only in even multiples.
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Like it's gotta be two, four,
six, like no odd numbers.
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That's not okay.
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Can't have an odd number.
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It'll throw somebody, someone
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I would like to thank Uncle Kirk
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It was my pleasure.
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Welcome to the Smarticle podcast.
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He's Dandon, I'm Ari, and
guess what, everybody?
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We have a triple guest host today.
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Godfather himself, Kirk Peterson,
joining the Smarticle podcast.
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Hello there, Kirk.
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Good morning, gentlemen.
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Been name dropped many times on this show.
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This is great because Kirk has joined
me on all of my podcasts now, I believe.
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Every podcast I've ever had, Kirk
is now, like, when Keller fired me,
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Brandon, Kirk was the one to just
be there and put his arm around.
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Not like you.
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Gentle hug.
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Gentle hug.
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I thought you guys did like a sports
podcast together at one point.
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He was always the fill in host.
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He, I, the only show I ever listened to.
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Let's not mix up the niceties because
I loved today's topic too much.
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So let's get into it.
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Here is your five seconds of silence
before we get into the smarticle
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podcast brought today by the
great Brandon Doble and smarticle.
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Okay.
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Here is your headline.
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Holly Amory, pregnancy, and the truth
about what happens when a baby enters the
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picture, the great David Oliver brings
us this lovely dandy in the USA today.
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Brandon, you're welcome.
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Mag a meter, please.
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He's woke, but this, once again,
this is a USA today article
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that got it from somewhere else.
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So definitely seven on the Mocha Meal.
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All right.
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We're going to get into this.
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Cause I don't even know
how I feel about it.
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So here, I'm going to read you a
smidge, then we'll get into it.
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Uncle Kirk.
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Ashley Hefley didn't have a second
baby on her 2023 bingo card.
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She and her husband hadn't
planned on expanding their family.
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They had already had one child together,
but that May, they drew up other plans.
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She took a test just in case a
few days after missing her period.
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It quickly turned positive.
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What else wasn't on her bingo card?
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A third baby right around the same time.
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No, Hefley wasn't having twins.
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She and her husband were also in a
relationship with another woman, Anna.
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A polyamorous throuple found out Anna
was pregnant too a few months later.
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Hefley's story is one of many.
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Polyamorous relationships, while not
new, have become more prominent and
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commonplace in the last few years.
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As these relationships flourish,
in years past, babies are
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becoming part of the equation.
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I know that we say this often.
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But I live in San Francisco.
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I don't know what you think
of what San Francisco is.
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I did not know truffles were a thing!
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I'm reading the USA Today,
and I'm like, wait a minute.
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People are having babies, living
together, I live in San Francisco,
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I thought I was a cool guy.
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Am I outside the ring of
what's the new normal, Brandon?
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I'm going to hold my comments because
I really want to hear from Uncle
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Kirk on this one, because Uncle
Kirk and I are more closely aligned
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politically in terms of the concern.
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Grandpa's coming out today.
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I'm just telling you that right now.
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So I just want to warn everybody, Peggy
damn kids get off my lawn because this
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is ridiculous, but I'll save my thoughts.
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I'd love to hear what
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First of all, I like that
you've got a third host for the
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polyamory it worked out perfect.
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Someone would say they're pregnant now.
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This would be even better.
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What what I don't understand
about these is the logistics
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that they don't ever discuss.
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Are they all three in one bed?
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Does each woman have a separate room?
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Like Mormons?
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Yeah.
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I don't quite think I
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How'd the inner workings of that go?
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I like that you go right to logistics.
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You're like, I just can't figure it out.
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Yeah, it's just, yeah, I don't know.
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I'm being married to one
person is difficult enough.
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Not trying to do it with multiple people.
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Seems, seems like you're
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I think that I've always thought that it
would be, this idea of plural marriage
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in the LDS community or other communities
where you have multiple wives, these
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do this dude, that's got eight wives
and he's got to take care of them.
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They have their nights and that show,
big love, all that stuff going on.
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And I always thought to myself, I'm like,
man, A better way to do this would be
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one woman and eight dudes, because it's
like, Hey it's like the Seinfeld episode.
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It's your day to do the shopping with her.
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It's your day to go to the, I can
barely keep up with one wife barely.
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And I don't even think I keep up.
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I think I'm just hanging
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I think that women would do a much
better job being in a plural marriage
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than men if they had multiple husbands.
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I don't get the polyamory thing at all.
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It seems so bizarrely selfish that I
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It's like, why?
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Why?
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Just don't get married.
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Thank you, Grandpa.
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Thank you for right on cue, Grandpa.
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I know.
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I somewhat believe in a gods, as
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and I some believe it, goddess maybe
made people, and I believe God made
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gay people and transgender people.
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I believe God made the whole shebang.
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So under my auspice, I have to believe
ish that this goddess universe thing
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also made people that wanna be in
multiple married couple relationships.
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I don't feel like this is going
to something that's going to make
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an article in the national review.
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I'm just spitballing here.
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Who cares about what the
national review thinks?
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What I mean is that I think
there's a, there is a sort of
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a standard cultural expert.
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I don't disagree.
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Hey, did you want to be
in a polyamorous marriage?
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You do whatever you want, but that
said the ones that are going to
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suffer guaranteed, they're going
to write books about this later on.
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It's the kids that come out
of these relationships are
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going to be a train wreck.
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An absolute train wreck.
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I have several, many same sex couples, and
they always say it's a struggle being a
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good parent, just like it is for anybody,
but being a same sex parent, they have to
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work really hard to bring other, the other
gender types in, and it's a challenge.
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You got three, four, five
people raising three kids.
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I just, I don't get it.
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I don't understand.
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It's like Kirk's thing about.
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Where do they sleep?
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That to me is the heart, like
who's parenting these kids.
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To me, it feels a little bit too.
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Like prostitution, the idea that, you
know, Hey, some people are okay with it
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being legal, but it ends up turning into
somebody who's getting taken advantage
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of these, just, this just feels like a.
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There's a high probability that
these relationships are, you talked
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about the guy with eight wives.
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Like that just, that
doesn't feel like the.
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Women in that situation are
being totally taken care of.
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Now I could be wrong about that, but
I, it feels like this was a situation
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where that could come up, right?
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That somebody is getting
taken advantage of.
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Chorus.
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You're like the fourth wife down.
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And so you're like the maid, not
really a wife or whatever it is.
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have a polyamorous relationship
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with two men and a woman.
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disagree with you at all, Kirk.
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I think that it's like these people
that talk about being swingers.
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It's always the dude that had
the idea to be the swinger.
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The dude's like, Hey honey, we got
to bring other people into them.
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Spice it up.
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Then they always end up divorce.
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You're like of course, I want to know
what would happen if you walked into
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the double family meeting and we're
like, Corey, Hey, I got this idea.
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That we, I don't like,
could we shake it up?
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What's her response?
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Literally, she probably
wouldn't even look up.
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She probably would just
be like, You're an idiot.
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And just keep doing
whatever she was doing.
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She'd be like, Yeah dude, you're an idiot.
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Okay, whatever.
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I honestly think that she knows me
well enough to know that, That is
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so far beyond the pale of the way
I think, That I would be a, yeah.
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So no, I don't.
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What would happen if you
went home to Karen Olson?
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It would only work if I said, Hey, we're
gonna be in a relationship with Adobles
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and they gonna want to do some things.
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That's not true.
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That is not true.
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That's absolutely gross.
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I like the idea of you pitching this
to Cori and then just saying , no.
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But what I want is Six other guys.
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Cause I want to pick up basketball games.
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It's just, I want to have
that in the house available.
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Do you know what, honestly, no one's
listening to the show full disclosure.
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That'd be fricking great.
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That'd be awesome.
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If you like had a bunch of buddies be like
living in the fraternity house again, but
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she had one wife and she'd help Oh my God.
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I say, Hey dude, let's
go play some golf, right?
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Your buddies should be fantastic.
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It'd be, I think it'd be great to
have somebody to watch LPGA golf with.
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It'd be fantastic.
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Coming back to this idea of, I feel
like life has gotten so complicated.
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Like just even just one single issue.
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My kids on the internet
trying to get them off.
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They're like, it's just so complicated.
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I just want to streamline the
complications out of my life.
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This just sounds Oh my God, throwing
gasoline on the fire of my life.
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This is, I don't recommend this.
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Go ahead.
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Go ahead, people.
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Let me ask you a serious question.
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You're both dads.
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You both have multiple children.
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I have, it's funny cause it's
one, two, and three for us.
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And I think about it as a dad, like
trying to raise my daughter to be a good
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human being, to be a good adult, that
idea of you, we're not here to raise
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them as kids, or we're here to raise
them and be the best adults they can be.
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How does that work?
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Being serious, it's a real question.
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Like, how do you think the
parenting works in that situation?
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So I actually go the other
way from where you took this.
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I think having more adults.
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Involved in your kids' lives is as role
models in, in authoritarian positions.
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Maybe works out better.
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That, like I try to get Larry
and, other friends involved.
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As much as possible so they can
learn from different perspectives.
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Having additional parents, I don't know.
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I don't know if that's a bad thing.
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Yeah, I guess maybe rephrase that.
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Cause I completely agree with you on that.
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Having multiple people and that's
about Larry and I bingo square about
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community and building community.
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Real authentic community.
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But yeah, that's, there's a polyamorous
means that your dad stooping some
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other lady, that's not your mom.
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There's, what do you say?
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I guess you could say, Hey, you
have an honest conversation.
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Say daddy loves more than one or
mommy loves more than one person.
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But how do you, I want you to
think about that, how you would
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address that with your kids.
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You're like, Hey, daddy's got needs
and he needs to stop this other lady.
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Yeah.
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But now she's mom number two.
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Being serious, how do you, in a world
where this person's gotta grow up and
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go out into a normal world, what does
that kid say when that's going down?
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These are the questions I want answered
from somebody inside this thing.
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My tagline on this show, Kirk, is,
We're going to talk about stuff that
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we have no authority to talk about.
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I'm not a psychologist.
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I couldn't be further from the polyamorous
relationship, yet we're going to
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bring it up on this article podcast.
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We got no credentials.
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Yeah, but I don't think people even, I
didn't even, I guess I at some esoteric
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level, understood that this kind of
thing was going on or was possible.
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It's in the USA today!
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No, I know, but before reading this
article, I'm like, wow, they're, There's
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got to be more than just like one
wacky person in Mendocino doing this.
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This is like large enough
to warrant an article.
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I don't know how many people
are involved in polyamorous,
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but I think Kirk said it right.
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These are the questions I want to answer.
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And Larry, you've got three kids.
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And when you're in a situation
where there's three people,
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doesn't it always end up being.
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Two against one, like, isn't there,
are there shifting alliances, right?
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Like it's always two against one.
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So you figure that same
sort of thing would happen.
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Although I will say when I had my third
kid, someone gave us the advice like, Hey
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man, you should not be having three kids.
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If you're going to have three, have four.
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So under that auspice, Kirk,
I should have multiple wives.
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Did uncle Kirk give you that advice?
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I wasn't here with somebody else,
but I'm saying like, Kirk's basically
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said I should have three wives.
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All right, so I didn't have an opinion on
this before, but that is my, that's where
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I'm leaving this conversation is I believe
in polyamory, but only in even multiples.
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Like it's gotta be two, four,
six, like no odd numbers.
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That's not okay.
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Can't have an odd number.
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It'll throw somebody, someone
that'll be on the outs.
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I agree with that.
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I would like to thank Uncle Kirk
for bringing some reasonableness
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to this article podcast.
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Thank you, Uncle Kirk.
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It was my pleasure.
