Serial Killer Documentary - Myra Hindley： Britain's Most Famous Female Serial Killer

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You going to book me?
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I've got a mug here.
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Is that gorgeous or what, eh?
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And I believe I can run a decent marathon.
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Download Veely now.
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In this series, I'll be shining a light on six
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of the most prolific female mass murders in history.
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So welcome to the dark world of the Lady Killers.
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Some may ask, why call up anew this gruesome crime
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of more than 30 years ago? Let time cover it,
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let it be forgotten. Surely I would not recall it
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for the sake of sensation. I write of it in
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the hope of applying to it the increase of understanding
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of such crimes that has come during these years. And
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in the hope of drawing from it some further increase
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in a comprehension of human behaviour. These are the words
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of author Maya Levin in The Fall to Compulsion. It's
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a crime novel about two people who set out to
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commit the perfect murder, purely as an intellectual experiment. And
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it was the book that allegedly inspired Ian Brage and
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Myra Hindley to torture, rape and kill five children across
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Manchester in the 1960s. Personally, I don't think anything I
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could write would make someone actually go out and commit murder.
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But Brage and Hindley seem to devour books, films and
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lyrics twisting them to suit their own perverted ideology. While
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listening to Nazi war speeches, Ian would affectionately call Myra
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Hess after Hitler's notorious deputy.
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It was this desire to live by.
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Their own rules and develop their own secret code, which
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eventually led them to systematically plan the Moors' murders as
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part of a sexually sadistic relationship. But what interests me
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is how does a seemingly ordinary working-class girl from Gorton
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become the most hated woman in British history, have faced
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the iconic image of evil. I think it's important to
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start with that police photo and found out why it
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became so embedded in this country's cultural landscape.
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You felt there was a mask. Would somebody please take
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that mask off and show the real Myra Hindley? Because
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that mask there with that white hair, that sullen face,
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The eyes drooping, the prominent lips, the whiteness of the face,
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the whiteness of the hair with those dark roots. It's
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almost as if someone had touched her up to give
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her that look of evil.
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Yeah, but she's got evil bloody eyeshows. And if you
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look at her photo, you can see the evil coming
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through to you.
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I think it has become, hasn't it, the absolute image of...
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because she does look rather unreal in it, or created.
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And in a way, over the years, we have created
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Myra Hindley.
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Right up until the day of her death, the only
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pictures that were being shown was that one picture of
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this hard-faced, peroxide blonde woman. And this became the face
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of evil, the face of wickedness, the face of crime.
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It is an iconic image. It figures a lot in
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the psychopathology of people who... I do see with mental illness,
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if they're deluded, if they're schizophrenic, often the delusions will
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revolve around Hindley and Brady. It's quite common. I am
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Myra Hindley, or Myra Hindley's sending me voices.
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But every picture tells a story, even a police photograph.
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Journalist and author Duncan Staff regularly wrote to Hindley and
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he visited her in prison. He says she was desperate
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to demolish the iconic image to convince people she was
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bullied into the killings.
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When Myra Hindley wrote to me about her arrest photograph,
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she described how she was upstairs being questioned by detectives,
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how they then led her by the arms downstairs, underground,
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into the basement of Hyde Police Station, which was an
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extraordinary place. The corridors were very narrow, it was confined.
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And she said she was then sat down in her
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chair and believed that she was about to be hit,
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that she was about to be interrogated.
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Because Hindley thought she was going to be assaulted, she
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claimed she clenched her teeth defiantly. But it was a
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police photographer's flashbulb and not a fist, which went off
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in her face.
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Now, I'm not sure that's quite an accurate version of events.
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What she's trying to do there is to show herself
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as a bewildered, frightened girl who's suddenly behind bars. I
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don't believe it's quite like that. I actually think the
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image that you see of her, that hard, harshly lit image,
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it is actually an accurate portrait of Myra Hindley at
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the time.
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The photograph didn't do her justice. The photograph was a
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prisoner's photograph. And I'm quite sure she was a bit
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more photogenic than that photograph shows.
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Her.
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None of us, if we're arrested, would like the photograph
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taken down in the police cell area to be the
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one that's forever... shown on the front page because you're
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at your worst. It did portray her, as far as
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the public was concerned, as the monster that they perceived
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her to be.
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I find it really ironic that photographs should play such
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a part in her demise. Brady and Hindley happily recorded
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every part of their lives with expensive cameras. Brady spent
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hours in his darkroom developing hundreds of these images. Personal
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photographs from their vast collection give me a real insight
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into their relationship.
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They look like any other normal couple.
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In a lot of these snaps, Myra looks really glamorous.
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You can see they're.
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Obsessed with their pet dogs, but there are clues to
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their secret life. There's an obvious fascination with guns and
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the Moors. Later, police realise that these scenes mark the
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graves of their victims. They escape to Saddleworth to drink wine,
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listen to classical music and kill children. It was Myra
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and Ian against the world.
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For all intents and purposes, Hindley seemed a relatively normal,
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in inverted commas, young female until she teamed up with
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Ian Brady.
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She said she, in due course, was fascinated by him
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and eventually it led to, frankly, a total Bonnie and
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Clyde kind of relationship where she said she ended up
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literally killing for the love of this man, Brady.
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She was indoctrinated, but she was very willing to be indoctrinated,
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and she had the wherewithal, perhaps even more than Ian had,
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the ability to carry out such crimes.
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But what I really want to find out is what
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caused Hindley to turn her back on everything she knew
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and coolly take children off the streets where she actually
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lived with the sole purpose of ending their lives.
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As a crime author.
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I've always been intrigued by what motivates women to kill.
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I've done a lot of research into Myra Hindley and
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the Moors murders. And I'm still no closer to understanding
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how a female could actually torture and murder children as
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young as 10.
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To me, I still find that shocking.
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So imagine the reaction to this case in 1966.
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This is the.
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First time that we had people who were enticing individuals
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from their environment torturing them, killing them, and burying them
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in a place like the Moors. And when you look
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at the individual's consent, they didn't do anything by chance.
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They planned everything.
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And that's what makes it even more evil.
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I've come along to the National Archives in London to
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meet Ian Fairley. As a 21-year-old detective constable, he arrested
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Brady and helped crack the whole Moors murder case. We've
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been allowed to see some very rare documents from the
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trial and of their lives together. I'm hoping these will
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help me understand what turned Hindley into the most notorious
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female serial killer of our times.
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Oh, yeah, and this is really exciting.
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I mean, we're some of the first people to have
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access to all this now, you know, so it's all
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been made public.
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I think the first.
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Thing we need to do is get these gloves on
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before we touch anything. I mean, for you, after 40 years,
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I mean, this must be... I mean, is it shocking?
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It is.
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It's like when you think you do something in 1965
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and you see it 43 years later, it's here. I mean,
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it's like all our yesterdays. It's all their yesterdays. It's
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certainly all their lifestyle because there's everything here.
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Well, yeah, obviously. This is your notebook, isn't it?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Ian Fairley's notebook records a dramatic event of 7th October 1965.
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which led to Hindley and Brady's downfall. At this stage,
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police were unaware that the couple had already killed Pauline Reid,
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John Kilbride, Keith Bennett and Lesley-Ann Downey, but their fifth
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murder was to prove their last.
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On that morning, DC Fairlie was one of three officers.
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Who responded to a 999 call made by David Smith
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from a phone box in Hattersley. The 17-year-old was married
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to Hindley's younger sister, Maureen, He told police that he'd
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witnessed the brutal murder of teenager Edward Evans at the
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house Hindley and Brady shared with Myra's grandmother at 16
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Wardlebrook Avenue, a killing they wanted him to be a
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part of.
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What's that?
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Myra England? Yeah.
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I've got a report of a murder. A murder?
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What are you doing?
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You can't just come back.
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The door in actual fact had been answered by Myra Hindley.
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We walked in, and me and Brady was actually lying
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in bed in the lounge, and he was in the
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process of writing a note to his employer saying he
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wouldn't be in that day as he had twisted his ankle.
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He was writing that, wasn't he, so he could go
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and dispose of the body?
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Well, in actual fact, he did have an injury to
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his ankle, and what we think, and what we were
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pretty certain happened, was when he actually attacked Edward Evans
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with the axe, he struck his own ankle with it
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on the blunt end of the axe... and damaged his ankle,
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so he was limping. He did injuries himself. Mrs Mayberry,
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that was Myra Hindley's grandmother, was still asleep in the
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bedroom upstairs. And also, one of the bedrooms was locked upstairs.
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Hindley then produced the keys for the bedroom. We went upstairs,
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in a corner, we found the body trussed up in
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the fetal position, and it was in two plastic bags.
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At this stage, police were treating Edward Evans' death as
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a one-off murder. As a seemingly respectable couple with good jobs,
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Hindley and Brady were quite confident they could get away
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with their plan B. That was to blame David Smith,
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Myra's brother-in-law. He was a local troublemaker and he was
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in awe of Ian Brady.
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Brady interview, 4.15.
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I never left Brady's side that day, but through the
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course of the day, we interviewed him and he made
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a statement. He wrote Myra Hindley out of the incident
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He admitted he had killed Edward Evans, but suggested that
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David Smith had taken an active part.
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David Smith was meant to help rob Evans. Now, Brady
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had this idea that Smith was going to kill Evans
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and help him dispose the body. The trouble with it
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was that when he saw Edward Evans being beaten to
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death by Ian Brady with an axe, he simply didn't
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have that same mental toughness that Myra Hindley had and
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didn't want to be part of those killings.
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David Smith told us that there was more. When he
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said more, more what? More murders. Why do you know
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there's more murders? Because he's told me.
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Detectives were drawn a blank until they found two suitcases
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in the left luggage office at Manchester Central Station. Inside,
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sick mementos from the killings led them straight back to
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Brady and Hindley.
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Now, to say these suitcases were packed was an understatement.
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You couldn't have got anything else in them. There was
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loads of books, there was also tape recording reels, loads
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of photographs, and we found a photograph of a young girl, naked,
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with a scarf tied around her face. I didn't recognise
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who she was, but I've got to say, that was enough.
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It's really a suitcase full of horrors, and it was
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then that everything began to change from a normal routine
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murder into what developed into a serial killing by two monsters.
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It's getting to somewhere in the region about quarter to ten,
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ten o'clock at night. A lot of black and white
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televisions on the corner. And all it comes on, and
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it was children missing from home in Manchester. And the
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first picture flashed up on the screen was Lesley-Ann Downie.
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Myra Hindley had picked up the 10-year-old from a fairground
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the day after Christmas 1964. Pornographic photos of the little
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girl found in the suitcases revealed she'd been tortured in
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Hindley's bedroom, something that makes my blood run cold.
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But it was a 16-minute.
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Tape recording in which Hindley tells Lesley-Anne to shut up
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as she pleads for her life, which reduced even the
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hardest of hearts to tears.
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After listening to that tape, one police officer said, this
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case is beginning to rank as one of the most
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nauseating murder investigations. So nauseating, in fact, that the details
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may never become public.
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In that tape, Leslie Andoni has been tortured and she
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wants her mummy. Another voice on the tape is, of course,
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Mary Henley. I think possibly that was that tape where
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the child was eventually murdered. But what makes it even
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worse is in the background is the tune The Little
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Drummer Boy is being played. 43 years later, it makes
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me go cold now thinking about what was on that
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tape or what must have happened to that little girl.
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But the fact that.
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They taped it, God, it's horrible.
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They'd got tape recordings, they'd got photographs, and the picture
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that began to assemble then was of a bizarre, ugly,
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pornographic cult relationship, and it was then that they started
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looking through missing files, missing children and so on, and
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the whole thing basically exploded.
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Following a tip-off from David Smith, police from five neighbouring
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forces began searching Saddleworth Moors. They were determined to give
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poor Leslie Ann Downey's mum some kind of closure. But
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they were also looking for missing children like John Kilbride,
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Keith Bennett and Pauline Reed.
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They really had to change their whole attitude and their
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whole approach to it in terms of the scale of
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the investigation and trying to understand these people more particularly,
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trying to get their heads round how many children could
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be involved and how many bodies could be up on
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the moor.
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Police searching the moors found Leslie Ann's body in a
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shallow grave. After the discovery of the little girl, detectives
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decided to take another look through the suitcases for more clues.
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One name in Brady's notebook leapt out at DC Fairley.
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I was just thumbing through the book and, of course,
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I saw his writing here and all that, wondered what
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it was, and then, of course, saw John Kilbride's name.
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John Kilbride was a connection to the Brady and Hindley
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And of course, as a result of that, we went on.
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And found out everything. We looked at the photographs. We
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actually saw the photograph of Myra Hindley with a dog
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inside a coat looking at the ground. Yeah. Dug the
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ground up and found the body of John Kilbride. So
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this tied them into the John Kilbride murder.
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The clothing of the body found buried on the Yorkshire
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moors yesterday has been identified as that of John Kilbride,
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the 12-year-old boy who disappeared from his Manchester home nearly
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two years ago. The search on the moors continues.
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By this stage, police not only had enough evidence to
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convict Hindley and Brady of the killing of John Kilbride,
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but of the murders of 10-year-old Lesley-Ann Downey and 17-year-old
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Edward Evans. so a decision was made to call off
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the search for other missing children. Their other victims, 16-year-old
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Pauline Reed and 12-year-old Keith Bennett, remained.
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Buried on the moors.
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Tragically, it was another 20 years before Pauline Reed was
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found and finally given a proper burial. Keith Bennett's mother,
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on the other hand, has never been able to bury
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her firstborn son.
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Until he's found, I'll never stop. Even if I'm a
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bloody old woman and I've got to crawl on my knees,
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I'll come up here because I know he's up here now.
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I won't stop coming up here until he's found. I've
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told the police I don't think much of him because
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they've never found him. Why can't they find Keith? They
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found all the others. Why can't they find Keith?
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I still maintain, and I've maintained that always, that we
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did not do it justice in 1966, but there were
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senior officers who still had budgets, and that was the
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decision that was made. There was no money to spend
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on a well of Goochess, and they couldn't do it.
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Let's bear in mind, in 1966, we didn't know that
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they had murdered Keith Bennett. We only know that now,
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because Brady and Henley weren't telling us. The same in 1966,
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we didn't know they'd murdered Pauline Reade.
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What impressed the police officers interrogating Mary Hindley and her cool,
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resigned and casual way in which she dealt with questions
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left one single impression, that here you are dealing with
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someone who does not have the full complement of emotions.
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I mean, some of the stuff that we've looked at
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here today, I mean, some of the photographs and everything...
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when she was sort of showed these things, she still didn't.
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Didn't want to know. Just didn't want to know. Complete blank.
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Denial.
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Complete blank. And all she kept saying, Ian didn't do anything,
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I didn't do anything, it was David Smith. And it
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was always down to David Smith.
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Despite their silence, 23-year-old Myra Hindley and 27-year-old Ian Brady
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were charged with the murders of Edward Evans, Lesley-Ann Downey
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and John Kilbride. Months earlier, they would have faced the
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hangman's noose, but the fact that this was the first
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murder trial since the abolition of the death penalty fuelled
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the public hatred. David and Maureen Smith went from being
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part of the couple's inner circle to becoming star witnesses
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for the prosecution.
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The extraordinary atmosphere that surrounded the case came through in
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Mara Hindi's letters and in her unpublished autobiography. She was
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very aware of that. She described how they could hear
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waves of sound coming down the corridor.
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It shocked the nation, really, and it shocked people, what
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had happened and how it happened and the numbers involved,
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and also the families involved. We then had television, and
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it was almost brought into people's sitting rooms, and it
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was there in front of you, and so it didn't
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go away.
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The trial at Chester Assizes was sort of the final scene,
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the final act, but rather like first night, your sense
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of expectation. How is it going to play?
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The whole thing had placed her on a high in
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the sense of, you know, she was no longer walking
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on the real world. You know, here she was, the
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center of worldwide attention for these dreadful crimes. It hadn't
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yet dawned on her that she was now to face
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life imprisonment, separated from the man she'd loved. and to
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be the most reviled and hated prisoner in Britain.
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And yet what's striking is that in the face of this,
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her bond with Ian was completely unbreakable. She was still
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in this world with him and wouldn't let go.
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They were like two musketeers. They were one for all
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and all for one. They were all together. They were
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together in a partnership and they stopped by that. And
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if you kick one, the other would limp. They lived
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in each other's world and they lived together. And they
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lived for each other.
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Some people might say Myra didn't react to anything at
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first because she was in shock, probably the shock of
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getting caught. But I think the fact that she remained
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totally cold throughout the trial spoke volumes about her character.
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The thing which lives with me most of all is
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watching these two in the trials, sitting there, completely expressionless.
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They just didn't move for days on end, you see.
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The faces, no sign of emotions.
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Not even a wet eye, not even, if you like,
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even a tear of regret or a tear of fear.
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You were hypnotised in a peculiar sort of way by them,
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by their lack of reaction, by their behaviour. You say, well,
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is this not having any impact on you at all?
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She had this ability to switch on. Like, she had
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the ability to switch off when she was being questioned.
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She had the ability to switch off when she heard
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the tapes of Lesley-Ann Downing.
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Hindley's fate was finally sealed when the prosecution's key piece
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of evidence was played to a packed court number two
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at Chester Assizes. 42 years on, those who heard little
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Lesley-Ann Downey being tortured and pleading for her life remember
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every second of that tape. Incidentally, that same recording that
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brought about Hindley's downfall is now locked in a secret vault.
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It's deemed to be too disturbing for the public to hear.
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We'd been briefly prepared for it. But when it came,
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I was shocked. It was gut-wrenching stuff. You hear that
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kid screaming for her life, pleading.
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You could see these people around the court, members of
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the jury. You could see the tears coming to people's eyes.
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And you looked at these two and said, no emotion
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on their face as it was played.
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No emotion.
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You aren't really human. Go on, react, react, do something.
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Show some emotion. so we can basically record it and
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show you that's some humanity.
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But it wasn't there.
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Not at all.
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Once that tape was played, one couldn't sink lower so
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far as horrendous crimes are concerned. And once the jury
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and the court had heard that, I mean, so far
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as the world was concerned, and the victims' families especially,
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there was no coming back.
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When the jury came by and gave the verdict, I mean,
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There was more expression of relief from the police than
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there was any expression of despair from them. I don't
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think there was any expression at all from them.
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The verdict was no surprise. Their reaction was no surprise.
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Sentence was delivered. No reaction from them. No words. And
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take him down, take him away, and then it went
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out of public gaze.
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On the 6th of May, 1966, Judge Justice Fenton Atkinson
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sentenced the Moores murderers to life imprisonment. Myra Hindley was
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23 years old. It would be the last time Brage
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and Hindley would ever see each other. For Hindley, life
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really did mean life. She would die behind bars 36
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years later. 40 years after she became the face of
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evil for a whole generation, Hindley remains the most reviled
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woman in Britain.
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But I want to find.
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Out what sparked her fatal attraction to Brady and how
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did this obsession lead to her own compulsion to kill?
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In 1966, 23-year-old Myra Hindley was jailed for life for
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her part in the Moores murders. In just over two years,
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she and her partner Ian Brady had tortured, raped and
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killed five children and teenagers across Manchester.
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I want to know why.
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More than 40 years after she was convicted, Hindley remains
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the most hated woman in Britain. Four successive Home Secretaries
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have refused to even consider her for parole. At the
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time of her death, she was the longest-serving female prisoner
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in our history, a dubious record that she still holds.
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As a crime writer, I want to know what drove
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this woman to torture and murder children from her own community.
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Myra Hindley was born in the working class district of
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Gorton in Manchester on the 23rd of July, 1942. Like
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many others, she was raised in a typical back-to-back Victorian terrace.
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Myra Hindley was born into a not well-off working class family,
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the same way thousands and thousands of people over Manchester were.
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The thing that was unusual about her family circumstances was
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her father. Right, young lady.
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A father knocked her to hell and back when she
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was at home, when she was a kid, because he
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was a drunkard.
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She had quite a brutal upbringing and there was a
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turning point, as she describes it, where she'd been bullied
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by another child and dad had told her, you know,
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stand up for yourself and fight back and she ended
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up hitting this kid and that she's attributed to shaping
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her in the sense of saying violence is okay.
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Definitely a girl that could stick up for herself. Definitely
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a strong, confident I would say that if there was
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any problems, she could sort them out.
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When Myra was four, her sister Maureen was born, and
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her parents sent Myra to live with her granny Mayberry.
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Myra overpowered her gran. Gran was such a lovely, lovely lady.
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Myra was then the boss, and Myra liked being the boss.
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She was loud, she was brash, and she was definitely
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the boss.
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I think that certainly had a role to play, the
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fact that she could get away with whatever at her
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grandmother's house, and certainly in terms of her development, being
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able to get away with whatever she wanted to, that
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kind of sent a message to her.
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She loved her grandmother, but there was always this feeling
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that she had been put out of the nest in
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order to create a space for a new baby. It
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was probably her first rejection, although she perhaps didn't realise
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it was rejection at the time.
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The question is, which came first? Did the rejection make
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her cold or was there something rather cold about her?
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Was she an easy baby to reject? Did she come
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into this world with some kind of propensity for destructiveness
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that was more than others and then was triggered in
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this relationship?
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Hindley struck up close friendships with other children and played
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like any other little girl would. But she escaped her
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surroundings by immersing herself in the world of books like
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The Secret Gardens.
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Her lifelong love of.
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Literature was to prove a significant shared bond with Ian Brady.
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Myra did form deep friendships and relationships with people throughout
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her life. It was a characteristic of her personality that
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she would latch onto individuals. It was described to me
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by a former lover of hers as her beam, and
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once you were locked in her beam, you were the
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sole focus of her attention.
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Like any teenager in the rock and roll era, Myra
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enjoyed going to dances, Every Saturday night, she and her
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00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:22.960
friends would go to the Ashton Palais and bop along
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to the latest records. But her life changed forever when
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she started work as a typist at Millwoods Engineering in Gorton.
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By the end of her first day, she'd fallen for
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a mysterious Glaswegian clerk called Ian Brady. The 18-year-old wrote
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in her diary about her unrequited love for a 23-year-old
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man who reminded.
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Her of Elvis Presley and James Dean.
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On these pages, she poured out her frustration over Brady's indifference.
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He ignored her for a year, which, of course, whetted
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00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:00.089
her appetite more and more, because... What you can't have
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00:30:00.130 --> 00:30:02.670
becomes more desirable, and he was just playing her along.
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00:30:04.190 --> 00:30:06.150
He was handsome, and I said, what is he doing
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00:30:06.170 --> 00:30:06.509
with her?
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00:30:07.950 --> 00:30:09.880
The lads used to say she was all right and gone,
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00:30:09.930 --> 00:30:13.220
but as a kid's point of view, I don't think
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00:30:13.259 --> 00:30:14.079
she was a pretty woman.
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Myra did write to me about how she first started
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the relationship with Ian. They'd been out to a pub,
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it was a Christmas party, they'd all got drunk, they
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00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:27.130
then went back to Millwoods, and she described... how he
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00:30:27.349 --> 00:30:29.769
started dancing and he was drunk and he trampled all
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00:30:29.849 --> 00:30:32.849
over her feet. But she writes about it years later
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00:30:33.150 --> 00:30:35.529
with a great feeling of happiness. You can see that
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00:30:35.549 --> 00:30:38.359
there's real excitement there. And then from that point on,
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the relationship accelerated very quickly.
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00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:47.599
But this was to be no ordinary courtship. Hindley regularly
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worshipped at the Catholic Monastery of St.
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Francis in Gorton.
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She later wrote that Brady convinced her to give up
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00:30:53.220 --> 00:30:56.660
her faith. Instead, she was encouraged to read books by
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the philosopher Nietzsche and the Marquis de Sade. It was
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00:31:01.849 --> 00:31:04.769
her introduction to the world of sexual sadism which laid
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00:31:04.789 --> 00:31:10.920
the foundations to the Moors' murders. These are actually Ian
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00:31:10.940 --> 00:31:16.279
Brady's own personal copies of the Marquis de Sade, of Justine,
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00:31:17.069 --> 00:31:19.920
and The Life and Ideas. When you read some of
532
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:22.299
the stuff that he's written, sort of in his notebook,
533
00:31:22.339 --> 00:31:26.019
he's got here, people are like maggots, they're small, blind, worthless,
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00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:26.759
fish bait.
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00:31:27.819 --> 00:31:29.980
Rape is not a crime, it's a state of mind.
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00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:31.960
Murder is a hobby and a supreme pleasure.
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00:31:31.980 --> 00:31:33.460
He goes on and on, all this stuff that he's
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00:31:33.509 --> 00:31:37.309
read in Justine and everything else. Personally, I think two
539
00:31:37.390 --> 00:31:40.609
people met here who recognised some kind of evil in
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00:31:40.630 --> 00:31:42.470
the other person, that they possessed themself.
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00:31:44.910 --> 00:31:50.289
The Magadhisad is really the benchmark of sexual sadism. A
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00:31:50.349 --> 00:31:54.859
sexual sadist enjoys or gets sexual pleasure out of other
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people's pain, that is, controlling them, humiliating them, and actually
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watching them endure physical tormenting.
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And certainly the first sexual encounter, you know, we have
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00:32:06.339 --> 00:32:08.829
it on account, and of course it's her account, that
547
00:32:08.890 --> 00:32:13.809
he was quite sexually vivacious and quite aggressive and violent.
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00:32:14.250 --> 00:32:16.650
That was her first experience, but she was quite happy
549
00:32:16.710 --> 00:32:19.180
to be part of that and to carry on the
550
00:32:19.220 --> 00:32:22.049
relationship on those terms and of course from there things
551
00:32:22.069 --> 00:32:23.710
would only ever get worse.
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00:32:24.230 --> 00:32:27.609
Hindley and brady began to create their own special secret
553
00:32:27.670 --> 00:32:31.710
world but this world revolved around sexually sadistic fantasies of
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00:32:31.809 --> 00:32:36.500
torturing raping and murdering young children 18 months after starting
555
00:32:36.539 --> 00:32:40.480
their relationship they were finally ready to kill myra hindley
556
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:41.859
was just 21 years old.
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00:32:44.029 --> 00:32:46.009
Myra tried to argue in later life that she had
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00:32:46.069 --> 00:32:49.390
no idea that Ian Brady was serious, that he gradually
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00:32:49.450 --> 00:32:52.160
indoctrinated her to a point where she was willing to
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take part in the murders. I don't think it was
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00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:56.619
as simple as that. I think that she was constructing
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00:32:56.700 --> 00:32:58.920
a world with Ian Brady and that that world got
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00:32:58.980 --> 00:33:01.680
stronger and stronger and stronger and then eventually they were
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able to carry out the killings.
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For anybody to suggest that she could be indoctrinated into
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00:33:07.819 --> 00:33:13.380
anything unwillingly is completely out of the question. I think
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00:33:13.750 --> 00:33:18.089
she initially could be influenced into taking part, but I
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00:33:18.150 --> 00:33:20.369
do believe that she was very much a willing partner.
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We need to remember that she did go on to
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become a very active part, and in fact was the
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00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:28.299
one who went out trolling for victims.
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00:33:29.059 --> 00:33:33.970
Most sexual sadists don't carry out their fantasies. That's the
573
00:33:33.990 --> 00:33:37.430
wonderful thing about fantasy. Fantasy is better as a fantasy.
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Reality brings with it elements of lack of control. For example,
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00:33:42.130 --> 00:33:45.619
a fantasy you can control completely. Reality, as with Hindley
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00:33:45.660 --> 00:33:47.440
and Brady, got out of hand.
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00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:50.619
Myra said that they got to a stage where they
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00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.480
were ready to commit murders when he introduced her to
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a book called Compulsion, which is about killings by Leopold
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00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:59.640
and Loeb. So they already had this abnormal sexual relationship.
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They already had these fantasies that they were acting out.
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00:34:02.369 --> 00:34:05.049
Then he introduced her to a book about killing and
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00:34:05.089 --> 00:34:07.549
told her, I want to commit the perfect murder.
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I mentioned compulsion right at the beginning of the program.
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It's based on a real case from Chicago in the 1920s,
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00:34:15.820 --> 00:34:18.619
when two privileged young college students kill another young boy
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00:34:18.699 --> 00:34:23.030
purely to exercise their superior intellectual skills. Dubbed the crime
588
00:34:23.070 --> 00:34:25.590
of the century, the killers were caught out by forensics.
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00:34:27.190 --> 00:34:30.570
Ian Brady vowed not to make the same mistake. Using
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00:34:30.650 --> 00:34:34.710
secret codes and elaborate plans, they plotted every detail of
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their perfect murder.
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With sexual sadists, you know, it doesn't just happen by chance.
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00:34:39.389 --> 00:34:42.969
There's planning, preparation. They know exactly what they're going to do,
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00:34:43.010 --> 00:34:46.300
which role they're going to play, right up until, you know,
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the body disposal and what happens afterwards.
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It was the first time, as far as I'm aware,
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that we became knowledgeable about how meticulous people planned events.
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They counted the buttons on their clothes before they went
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00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:04.860
out and killed children. They counted them when they got back.
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They burned their shoes. They took photographs of the grave
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00:35:07.980 --> 00:35:11.380
sites before the killings and then after the killings. There
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00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.400
was nothing accidental about the way these crimes were carried out.
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00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:18.550
Hindley and Brady's photo album contains pictures of children that
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00:35:18.590 --> 00:35:23.110
they'd taken at random in school playgrounds. It's really frightening
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00:35:23.150 --> 00:35:25.809
to think that they may have been identifying and even
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00:35:25.849 --> 00:35:27.389
watching potential victims.
607
00:35:28.610 --> 00:35:31.280
However, the first killing was much closer to home.
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On the 12th of July, 1963, Hindley's 16-year-old.
609
00:35:36.269 --> 00:35:38.969
Neighbour, Pauline Reed, was walking to a local dance.
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00:35:39.269 --> 00:35:41.889
But Hindley and Brady had more sinister plans in mind
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00:35:41.929 --> 00:35:43.280
for the teenager's evening.
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00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:46.449
Myra Hindley said that she was bullied into the killing
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00:35:46.469 --> 00:35:49.679
of Pauline Reed, that Ian Brady made her do it. Now,
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00:35:49.820 --> 00:35:54.039
I'm not sure that's right at all, because the murder
615
00:35:54.059 --> 00:35:59.110
was carefully planned. Myra was driving down Froxham Street... She
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00:35:59.130 --> 00:36:01.300
stopped her car, rolled down the window and said, would
617
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:02.380
you help her look for a glove?
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00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:08.809
She coolly and calmly took somebody off the street that
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00:36:08.849 --> 00:36:12.349
she knew and fed Pauline to Ian, knowing full well
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00:36:12.389 --> 00:36:13.570
what was going to happen next.
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They then drove up the moor with Ian following on
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00:36:18.789 --> 00:36:21.510
a motorcycle. Mara knew where to park. She knew that
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00:36:21.530 --> 00:36:23.289
Brady was going to take her onto the moor and
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00:36:23.309 --> 00:36:25.530
she describes sitting in her van knowing that Ian Brady
625
00:36:25.570 --> 00:36:28.130
was raping her and was going to kill her. Very
626
00:36:28.190 --> 00:36:31.400
shortly afterwards, she describes drinking a bottle of Drambuie with
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00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:33.639
Ian and making love to him. This speaks of an
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00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:36.679
act that somebody has carefully worked out and is then
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00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.239
entering into as a willing accomplice.
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00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.099
Pauline wouldn't have gone in any stranger's car. Pauline only
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00:36:42.139 --> 00:36:47.289
got in that car because she knew her. She wouldn't
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00:36:47.329 --> 00:36:48.369
have gone with anybody else.
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00:36:49.110 --> 00:36:51.030
She wasn't stupid. She wasn't a daft girl, Pauline. She
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00:36:51.550 --> 00:36:52.409
was very sensible.
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00:36:53.409 --> 00:36:56.869
Hindley quickly perfected her role in the couple's killing partnership.
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00:36:58.030 --> 00:37:02.059
Four months after Pauline's murder, she coolly lured 12-year-old John
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00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:06.780
Kilbride to his death. Seven months later, Keith Bennett was
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00:37:06.820 --> 00:37:11.570
walking to his grandmother's house. He never made it. 12-year-old
639
00:37:11.619 --> 00:37:13.909
Keith was to be their third victim.
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00:37:14.690 --> 00:37:18.159
Brady couldn't drive a car. So she'd done all the driving,
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00:37:18.340 --> 00:37:20.840
and he was at the back of her, and when
642
00:37:20.860 --> 00:37:23.719
he wanted somebody, he'd point him out to her and
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00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:26.730
flash his light on his back, and they took him
644
00:37:26.769 --> 00:37:29.030
straight to the roads after that, and that was it.
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00:37:29.789 --> 00:37:32.650
But I didn't know that at the time. I just thought, oh,
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00:37:32.670 --> 00:37:34.630
he'll come back, and when he does come back, I'll
647
00:37:34.650 --> 00:37:37.610
bloody kill him, you know, but he never come back.
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00:37:37.869 --> 00:37:40.599
Mara Hindley was a woman, but it was because she
649
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:43.480
was a woman that the murders could happen. Ian Brady
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00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.239
needed her, He was an awkward person and nobody was
651
00:37:46.260 --> 00:37:48.139
going to get into a car with Ian Brady. And
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00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:49.179
Myra Hindley admitted that.
653
00:37:49.539 --> 00:37:52.510
She said to me, Andrew, I ought to have been executed.
654
00:37:52.590 --> 00:37:55.130
I ought to have been hanged. I deserved it. And
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00:37:55.190 --> 00:37:57.730
she said my crime was worse than Brady's because I
656
00:37:57.769 --> 00:38:01.730
was the woman and I enticed the children, as it were,
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00:38:01.769 --> 00:38:04.190
into Brady's car and they would never have entered the
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00:38:04.210 --> 00:38:07.630
car without my role. And so she said, I have
659
00:38:07.730 --> 00:38:09.869
always regarded myself as worse than Brady.
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00:38:10.610 --> 00:38:13.670
Brady was diagnosed with a psychiatric illness a few years
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00:38:13.730 --> 00:38:17.670
ago And although this doesn't justify his behavior, it may
662
00:38:17.690 --> 00:38:20.090
be explained some of it. But when you look at
663
00:38:20.150 --> 00:38:23.630
how Hindley acted, it's not as clear cut. Some people
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00:38:23.670 --> 00:38:26.570
say she was mad, but I think she was just
665
00:38:26.630 --> 00:38:27.469
plain evil.
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Nobody would know anything what she'd done. She'd go in
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00:38:32.469 --> 00:38:35.170
the pub. It was all photographs of missing children then.
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00:38:35.550 --> 00:38:40.050
I'm not just talking for after Pauline went missing, Nazian Downey,
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00:38:40.150 --> 00:38:42.869
John Kilbride, all of them. And she'd just go in
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00:38:42.889 --> 00:38:45.960
them pubs and then flick her an eyelid. stand there
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00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.860
and have a drink, laugh, joke, knowing that she knew
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00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:49.840
where them children was.
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00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:56.760
Myra was a chameleon. She adopted to circumstances incredibly, far
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00:38:56.860 --> 00:39:00.019
more than most people on this planet ever did. She
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00:39:00.099 --> 00:39:04.050
surely has to be accepted as being psychopathic. Her limited
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00:39:04.190 --> 00:39:08.090
sensitivity and empathy would be necessary in order for her
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00:39:08.150 --> 00:39:09.409
to go through the things she's done.
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00:39:12.659 --> 00:39:15.880
It's possible she'd suffer from a disorder called psychopathy or
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psychopathic personality disorder. And all personality disorders have in common
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the feature that you've been like it from an early age.
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00:39:23.329 --> 00:39:24.909
It's not like an illness where you were well and
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00:39:24.929 --> 00:39:28.369
then you got it. And there are many aspects or
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00:39:28.409 --> 00:39:33.619
many facets to psychopathy. but one is this callous, unemotional behavior.
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She was also quite profoundly evil because she was very aware,
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as many psychopaths are, of the harm they were doing.
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It's obvious to me that over the course of the
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00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:49.519
two years they killed those children, the power in their
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00:39:49.539 --> 00:39:50.760
relationship shifted.
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00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:56.150
He was the boss at work, but how much was
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00:39:56.170 --> 00:40:00.349
she the boss at home? And that's something that I
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00:40:00.409 --> 00:40:02.989
feel that she did what she wanted.
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00:40:03.530 --> 00:40:05.929
I don't believe that Mara Hindley was ever a servant.
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I think that she was a participant in the acts,
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and I think that she enjoyed them from the start.
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00:40:12.659 --> 00:40:15.599
She remained cool, you know, very calm about what was
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00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.099
going on. And in fact, you know, it was Brady's
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00:40:18.260 --> 00:40:22.030
own reckless and impulsive behaviour that led to them being
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00:40:22.230 --> 00:40:23.789
detected and arrested.
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00:40:24.869 --> 00:40:28.769
It was Brady's failed attempt to introduce Hindley's brother-in-law, David Smith,
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00:40:28.809 --> 00:40:32.530
to their sadistic partnership, which led to their downfall. Smith
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00:40:32.550 --> 00:40:35.199
was a close friend until he witnessed the brutal murder
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00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:38.980
of their fifth victim, 17-year-old Edward Evans, and went straight
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00:40:39.019 --> 00:40:39.599
to the police.
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00:40:41.059 --> 00:40:42.210
The game was finally up.
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00:40:42.699 --> 00:40:46.489
And the couple were destined for life behind bars. But
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40 years on, why does the name Myra Hindley still
707
00:40:49.090 --> 00:40:52.530
automatically go hand in hand with evil? Is it purely
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00:40:52.570 --> 00:40:54.989
because she was a woman, and women are meant to
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00:40:55.050 --> 00:40:56.909
be mothers, not mass murderers?
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00:40:57.849 --> 00:40:58.269
Maybe.
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00:40:59.949 --> 00:41:01.639
But I think it's probably more to do with the
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00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:05.099
lies she told inside. Lies which led to her being
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00:41:05.179 --> 00:41:11.030
seen as even more heinous than Brady. Myra Hindley and
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00:41:11.070 --> 00:41:14.639
her lover Ian Brady raped, tortured and murdered five children
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00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:19.320
across Manchester in the 1960s. 40 years on, they remain
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00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:24.340
Britain's most notorious killers. It's always fascinated me why Hindley
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is seen as more evil than Brady. I think it's
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00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.260
because he accepted his fate and wanted to die behind bars.
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But Myra Hindley was determined to get out. After breaking
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00:41:35.179 --> 00:41:38.250
off her relationship with Brady, She even tried to claim
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00:41:38.289 --> 00:41:43.360
she was bullied into the killings. Influential supporters like Lord
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00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:47.440
Longford continuously campaigned for her release, but the tabloids were
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00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:50.360
always ready to remind the public of the horrific nature
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of Hindley's crimes.
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00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.219
I mean, she was, and she knew, she was notorious.
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I mean, the Sun newspaper would say to me that
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her case would sell as many newspapers as Princess Diana
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at the time. She was great for circulation and anything
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would be printed. Whether or not it was factual or not,
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that was irrelevant. The main thing is, let's get her
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on the front page.
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The reason she stayed in the newspapers is because the
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crimes weren't solved. Newspapers and the tabloids are often produced
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saying they latched on to her just about selling papers.
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There's an element of truth in that, but there's also
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truth in the fact that they could see that she
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was lying and they kept nailing her for it over
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the years, and I think that that had a profound
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effect on public opinion.
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In 1986... Brady told a newspaper that the couple had
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killed other children. This led to a dramatic announcement by
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Myra Hindley.
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The Moors murderer Myra Hindley has confessed tonight to her
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part in the death of two children who vanished more
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than 20 years ago.
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Hindley's decision to finally come clean about her actual involvement
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in the murders of Pauline Reed and Keith Bennett exposed
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the extent to which she'd persistently lied and manipulated everyone
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around her for years.
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I would say... that Myra Hindley was evil. She was bad,
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if not worse, than he was.
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Where did the evil come from? Was it always there
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or was it an evil deed or deeds done by
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someone who was fundamentally ordinary? In all my interviews with Myra,
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I never felt that I got to the bottom of that.
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I don't think she was an evil person. I think
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she was a person who did evil things and that's
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a big difference. And I think she realised she'd done
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evil things.
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You just shake your head in disbelief that this young person,
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who used to be a friend and a colleague to
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a lot of us, has done this horrible thing.
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She took the babies, didn't she, to the slaughter, didn't she?
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Yeah.
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Who'd take a child in a car knowing that she
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knew exactly what was going to happen to that baby,
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boy or girl? There was no remorse in that woman whatsoever.
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Not evil, evil.
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Myra Hindley, probably the most hated woman in Britain, is dead.
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The Moors' murderess died of a chest infection after 36
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years in jail.
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Myra Hindley died on the 15th of November 2002.
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She was 60 years old.
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The priest who held her hand as she slipped away
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believes she did feel genuine remorse for her crimes. But
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it's ironic, really, because although he may have held her
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hand and offered her forgiveness, It seems the prison service
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actually had an awful lot of trouble finding an undertaker
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who was willing to handle the body.
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All I can say is that she'd put herself into
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a position where in the past she confessed her sins.
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She was one of those people who over the time
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came to believe in the generous, in the giving nature
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of God and that in fact she was forgiven.
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I don't know whether Myra Hindley felt genuine remorse. I
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can't answer that. What I do know is that she
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continued to lie about her involvement in the killings because
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she wanted to get out of prison. And I think
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that whether she felt remorse or not, that action and
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the consequences it had for the Reed family and for
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the Bennett family is something that's very difficult to forgive.
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I was looking and hoping and praying that they'd find him,
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but I didn't think for one minute I'd go 40
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years without him, or 44 years without him. And I've
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got to live with it for the rest of my life.
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I love coming up here any time of the day,
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day or night, because I know he's here somewhere, and
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it's the only way I can express my feelings, because
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I know he's been murdered up here. And I know
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he's with me somewhere on the moat, and he knows
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I'm coming up with flowers and that.
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When I see Winnie still desperately trying to find her son,
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it's very hard to forgive Hindley. As a crime writer,
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I plan other people's lives and I often plan their
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murders too. But after getting so close to Myra Hindley,
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I don't think that there's a writer in the world
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who could adequately even come close to the arrogance, hate
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and deceit that festered inside her heart. It's clear that
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Hindley and Brady thought evil was some kind of spiritual experience.
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They believed that they were superior to everyone around them
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and that they had the right to snuff out the
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lives of innocent children for their own pleasure.
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Well, no-one has that right.