Next Self: Preparing for Conception & Pregnancy Nutrition with Naturopath Ema Taylor

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I think there needs to be a law change because now going through it and speaking to so many women, I'm completely shocked.
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The architecture in our brain quite literally changes.
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After every birth,
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not just the first.
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An element is, of course, the mother understanding the changes happening to their brain, but also the partner.
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I remember just feeling so wired.
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And if you don't understand what's happening to your brain, you don't understand that there's a reason that it is quite literally neurological and quite literally hormonal, then we can be like, what's wrong with us?
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What's wrong with us?
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And then it really goes back to what we were talking about.
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It's asking for the support.
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The respect I have for all mothers, and I haven't even given birth yet.
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Apparently that is just a whole other phenomenon.
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Welcome to Next Self, a mini-series brought to you by Selfdom.
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Whether you're pregnant, trying to fall pregnant, already have little ones, or you're simply curious about pregnancy, birth, and motherhood, this series is for you.
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Throughout Next Self, I've had the honour of sitting down with some of Australia's leading healthcare professionals and experts to unpack the questions so many of us have as we enter this next chapter.
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Entering motherhood can come with an overwhelming amount of information, opinions and advice.
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My hope is that this series helps you cut through the noise and feel more informed, empowered and confident in making the choices that feel right for you and your family.
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Today's episode is with the incredible Emma Taylor.
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Emma is a degree qualified naturopath, clinical nutritionist, certified fertility awareness educator, and co-founder of Mother Natal.
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Emma has over a decade of experience supporting women's reproductive health.
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Em specializes in preconception, pregnancy, and postpartum care, guiding people through their fertility and maternal health journeys.
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I love this holistic approach to health that Emma has.
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She's also currently pregnant and it's absolutely glowing.
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I am so grateful for her to be here.
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She's flown from Byron Bay to share her wisdom with our beautiful community.
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Welcome to Selfdom, Ev.
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Oh, thank you for having me.
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You've come in from Byron Bay.
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Yes.
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It's a glorious day here in Sydney.
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I know.
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We're so lucky.
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I was just down on the beach and just admiring.
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Actually, people were swimming.
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I'm like, you're a little bit mad.
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It was eight degrees this morning.
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Freezing.
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Freezing.
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Yeah.
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And we're both pregnant.
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We are, which is really nice.
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And third...
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Yes, third baby.
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This is incredible and a testament to you.
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Oh, thank you.
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It's, you know, they say, I think some women say, you know, you never know.
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You're like, you'll never be done.
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You'll never be done.
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And I really wasn't at two.
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But now having, carrying my third, I'm like, no, no, this is it.
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I think three is incredible.
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Tom wants three so badly.
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Does he?
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What are you and Tom?
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I want two, I think.
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Do you have siblings?
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I have one and Tom's got, he's one of five.
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Oh, wow.
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That's a big.
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So he's just brought up with big family.
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You never know.
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You never know.
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Apparently I'm just really relying on those hormones when that baby is born to just feel all the feels.
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Yeah, it's big.
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It's a big transition and it's a transition in every baby you have.
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Yeah.
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So today's episode is really about diving into preconception, the pregnancy journey, postpartum, and looking at how we can best nurture ourselves holistically.
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I was saying off mic that all of us are guilty of going online and researching, and there's so many different answers, so many different opinions, and I think it's really important to actually speak to the professionals like yourself about these topics, right?
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So I want to start with preconception.
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I love this topic.
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Of course.
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Yes.
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So let's start with if someone had six months before they wanted to start trying, what?
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What would be the fundamentals?
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Okay, so number one would be from the start, getting your partner involved.
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I think so much weight falls on women to do all the preconception work and optimize their fertility and they're missing 50% of the picture.
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So we have 50% of DNA from...
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man and woman.
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So bringing him along for the ride, initially getting the comprehensive pathology tests.
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You know, I think if we have a proactive approach, it's always going to be a more easeful and enjoyable journey.
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So a lot of the time...
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while I love working with GPs, the standard preconception blood tests aren't very comprehensive.
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So working with someone or just, you know, I mean, I can rattle them off, but there are, you know, we want to check hormones.
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We want to check minerals.
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We want to check all of the biomarkers that we can.
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In an ideal world, a semen analysis for the male.
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Just knowing, again, like not everyone wants to do that and that's fine, but...
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The more you know, the more you know.
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And then again, you can be proactive.
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You can work on this from the get-go.
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So those two as a starting point.
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And then just gently working your way through what I call the foundations of fertility, improving your diet, focusing on flooding your body with nourishment, taking a high quality prenatal supplement, just as that...
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to fill the gaps, starting to clean up your environment.
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It doesn't have to be intense, but just looking at chemical use you're using and your beauty bag and what products you're using and cleaning that up, being conscious of the stress in your life, the mindset you have, you know, what stories you're carrying about fertility.
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I think these can be really detrimental as well to us and have limiting beliefs.
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And then start gently moving your body, you know, four times a week.
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It doesn't have to be intense.
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Hopefully it's not that high intensity all the time movement and a combination of, you know, strength and cardio.
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So, again, it shouldn't be this gruelling exercise
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more strategy, but more so just starting to think about how can I be the best version of me?
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How can I improve my health?
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Because it is not only going to support my fertility and pregnancy, but the research shows also our future baby's health and generational health.
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If we have a girl, she is developing all the eggs in her ovaries while we're pregnant.
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So how nourished we are impacts
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future baby, which is quite incredible.
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I think we've kind of all been told this myth that the baby will just take your resources.
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It doesn't really matter what you do.
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But at the end of the day, the more you dive into the research, you realize that actually the more energy you put into being that best version of yourself, the
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the more your baby will get out of it.
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And I'm sure we'll get into it, the postpartum as well, like your postpartum self will thank you so, so much.
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Absolutely.
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I think one thing I see a lot, and I'm lucky I worked with a naturopath.
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So I was taking a prenatal for six months before we started trying and I was so grateful for that.
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But I think a lot of people go, I want to start trying, then take the prenatal.
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So how long does it take to actually absorb the nutrients?
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Yeah, well, I like to say in an ideal preconception world, minimum timeframe to start preconception work would be three months because it takes roughly 76 days for a sperm to develop and around 100 days for an egg to mature.
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So we have this special timeframe that we can work on the genetic material that goes on to create our future baby.
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But the longer, the better, you know, again, because if you are nutritionally deficient in anything, or if there's some hormonal imbalance you're trying to correct or whatever it may be, you have longer time to do that without the stress of doing it and then wanting that baby now.
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I definitely think that a prenatal has so much good stuff in it.
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that.
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Why not?
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How do you even go about picking the right one?
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There's so many.
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And I feel like the doctors, when you go in, they're like, yeah, you should have folate and folic acid and that's it.
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I mean, I'm biased.
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I obviously have my own prenatal supplement.
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Shout it out.
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It's complete support by Mother Natal and it is formulated to support preconception, pregnancy and postpartum.
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But you're right.
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It is so confusing because a lot of
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I mean, there's a huge variety of prenatals.
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Some are quite terrible.
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I won't name them.
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And then there's a lot that are pretty good, that are really good.
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And it's like, how do you choose?
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We actually have two.
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We're the only brand globally that offers two prenatals with varying folate forms to support the varying needs of women because we're not all the same.
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So I think one is like choosing a practitioner grade product.
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prenatal with evidence-based doses because, you know, if we go down a rabbit hole, some of these prenatals don't actually, they say they have all these vitamins, but they're not in therapeutic doses.
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So that's, you know, a big one.
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And I really think just knowing the breadth of what we need in a
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A lot of prenatals don't contain choline, which is such a critical nutrient.
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I know you're really conscious of that, but it's really, it's not spoken about.
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It's equally as important for the development of the neural tube, which is our baby's brain and spinal cord.
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We hear a lot about folic acid.
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We hear a lot about, you know, the importance of folate.
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And folate is so important.
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But, you know, there's so many other nutrients that are equally.
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So I think just being...
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Working with a naturopath, and not everyone can work with a naturopath, but just really a good brand will have... Give you all the education and all the information you need on the website.
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Like we are very... We are very passionate about educating a woman rather than just selling a product.
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It's about...
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Yeah, sharing why this is going to be important for pregnancy and baby.
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Yeah, let's talk about choline.
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Yeah.
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Because it was really funny.
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I always go to Blackwood, the cafe, and I get my eggs and a lady was sitting next to me who I knew.
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And I told her, yeah, it's a three-egg scramble.
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Oh, it's way too many eggs.
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Way too many eggs.
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We grew up in this world where we're meant to have...
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I know, fat or cholesterol.
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Yeah.
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And then when you're pregnant, the glucose goddess, she's big on having four eggs a day.
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And if you can't have that, using it in a supplement is amazing because...
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In that first trimester, you might have an egg gig.
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You might have an egg gig the entire pregnancy, but colon is so important for the brain development.
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So it's one of those things where if you can't stomach it, supplementation is amazing.
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And I know you're the same, like diet comes first.
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Always.
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Supplements.
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are filling gaps, filling the gaps.
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That's right.
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But I do think we need to change our viewpoint on how many eggs women eat in general, whether you're listening to this pregnant or not.
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I think you need to up your protein, get your choline in.
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And what the glucose goddess was saying, it's actually in the yolk of the egg.
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And I feel like so many women just eat the egg white.
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Well, I think this was like a very, you know, quite a few years ago, it was like, don't only have the whites, scrambled with the whites.
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And I'm like, no, the yolk is the nutrient dense part.
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Yeah.
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I know.
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We're constantly evolving in wellness trends and understanding of what's healthy.
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And, you know, I always like to look back at ancestral nutrition and...
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you know, what our grandparents ate and often, you know, they had it right without all the noise of Instagram.
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They knew.
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It's like good quality animal products, sea animals, you know, wild caught fish and seaweeds and, I don't know, broths and all of these beautiful nutrient-dense foods.
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But, yes, to your point, you know, eggs are such a little, I always say they're the most boring superfood because they are.
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I love boiled eggs.
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Like I always have boiled eggs in the fridge.
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In my first trimester, I was like, tell me you're pregnant without telling me you're pregnant.
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I always had a boiled egg in my bag.
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This was a little protein snack.
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I love that.
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I also think for me it was obvious because I started, I used to be that person who had two eggs and then I was eating four eggs and people were like, that is so many eggs, Dom.
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And I'm like, actually not.
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Yeah.
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It's actually the right amount of eggs.
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I just want to talk about sperm quality.
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Is sperm quality declining in Western societies?
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It's actually declining worldwide.
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Really?
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Which is really worrying.
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I have a little boy.
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He's two.
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And I genuinely worry about...
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This is such a, like, fertility-focused naturopath mum thing to worry about.
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I'm like, it's fertility and he's only two.
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Yeah.
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But honestly, the problem is since the 70s, sperm parameters dropped by 50%.
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Okay.
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Why?
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Well, many reasons, but I want to give you a pop quiz first.
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So in the 80s, the World Health Organization, healthy parameters for sperm with morphology.
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So the way the sperm is shaped, the way it looks, we wanted it to be above 80% normal.
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Great.
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We want 80% normal sperm, 20% can be defect.
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Guess what healthy morphology is now if it's above?
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50.
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4%.
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What?
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Mm-hmm.
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How?
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Yeah.
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So if there's 96% misshaped sperm, we're like, okay, no problem.
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So 4% is the reference range.
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My reference range as a naturopath is double digits.
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I really want to see morphology above double digits.
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But I honestly, Dom, I rarely see that.
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Really?
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Rarely.
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It's really scary.
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Why?
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So... Yeah.
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There's a lot in our control, but there's a lot out of our control.
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And what's a lot of it that is out of our control is the environmental toxin exposure.
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Loads of microplastics, pesticide use, chemical use, and it just adds up.
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And sperm are incredibly vulnerable little cells.
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So...
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They're very volatile to chemical exposure.
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But then there's, you know, the lifestyle, like the alcohol, the vaping, super bad.
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Smoking, heat, synthetic underwear, you know, stress or a sedentary life, being sitting down or, you know, having laptops and phones in pockets, that radiation.
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So there's just so much that people are dealing with in the modern world that wasn't around.
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many years ago wow and it's kind of funny because you know heat synthetic underwear i know i've spoken about on the podcast tom was like really strict on those two before we conceived he was icing his balls in the sauna i know i say sit on a bag of peas
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He ended up on Channel 9.
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They came here and took photos of him.
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Oh, that's hilarious.
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They were like, and then another podcast wanted to speak to him about male fertility.
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Icing testicles.
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Yeah, and I was like, Tom's a spokesperson for male fertility.
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He has no credentials.
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That's good.
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I love that.
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But he was very aware of these things, but I think a lot of guys aren't aware of it, so they're in the sauna.
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No, they're not.
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They're thinking they're doing a good thing.
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And if you actually think about it, one of the things was all the toxins.
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So then saunering actually helps flush that out.
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But is that having a negative effect?
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Does the pro outweigh the con?
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I think going back to what you said, it's ancestral living, going back, taking it back.
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No one was like doing the crazy things they're doing.
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No one was as stressed as they once were as well.
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But what I think is a really important point is that
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women put all this pressure on themselves for fertility.
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Men are 50% and their sperm is declining.
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It's a really difficult one because women are constantly thinking that they might be infertile.
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I mean, I was.
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And then...
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Men, I don't think, think about it as much.
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No, they don't.
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And that's, I know, and this is the weight that women carry.
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And actually, a few years ago, I changed the way I practice and I decided when I'm working with my fertility clients, I really want to work with both people.
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So I invite the male in.
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I'm like, this is for both of you.
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Beautiful.
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And a lot of the time they're so thrilled to be invited in on the conversation and given the tools.
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Majority of the time, it's not that they don't want to do the work.
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It's that they've not been given the licensing or the clarity on what they can do.
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Mm, that's a really unique point of differentiation, I think.
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Mm-hmm.
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Because even, I love my naturopath, but she never, like, she never asked about Tom's fertility or what Tom is doing for preconception.
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And I think opening the conversation to the man is really important.
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Mm-hmm.
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Like, now that we know the statistics, it's almost...
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a non-negotiable.
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Absolutely.
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It is a non-negotiable.
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Because as well, the woman is doing all the things and then she's wondering, why are we not conceiving?
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Why are we not conceiving?
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And it's like, well, we haven't even looked at what your partner's doing.
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He's out there drinking or vaping or whatever, or maybe he's not, but that environmental toxin exposure has impacted his sperm and we need to do the work.
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And the really...
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empowering thing is, is that sperm actually respond really well to natural medicine and protocols.
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Okay, back to the episode.
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Okay, so we've done the preconception.
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Our takeaways is that equal parts in the partnership.
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Now let's go into you've conceived.
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We've ended that first trimester already.
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What should we be doing to nourish our body in a holistic way?
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I love this.
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So if you have done the preconception work, you have the foundations there.
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And that is really such a wonderful way to enter pregnancy because I always say we don't, we're sort of working in an uphill battle if we're trying to correct anything during pregnancy.
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So if you've done the work, excellent.
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Now the goal is just to really focus on optimizing and checking in and making sure we're getting all the nutrients and nourishment that we need.
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Some big ones, I mean, honestly, pregnancy is the most nutritionally demanding time of a woman's life ever.
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Baby will draw everything that baby needs from mum.
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And unfortunately, if mum's not nourished or if she's not restoring those nutrients, she's going to be depleted.
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For example, DHA is a really important one, a nutrient that mums need throughout pregnancy.
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Babies draw the entire amount of their DHA to grow their brain from mama's brain.
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Yes.
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Is that baby brain?
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It is.
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Okay.
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And if we are not, if we are not, research shows that we can lose 3% of our brain volume from this drawing of DHA if we're not restoring it.
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Wow.
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And it doesn't come back, you know, like...
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This is, it's not biological.
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Like that's actually depletion.
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So restoring DHA, I always give a cod liver oil supplement or an omega-3 supplement to my pregnant clients.
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Obviously, you know, we want that wild caught fish.
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We want all the beautiful omega-3s, the olive oils, the avocados, the nuts, but also having that addition so you're not having the depletion.
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Calcium's really, really important.
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baby, particularly in the third trimester, baby will draw a huge amount of calcium from mom to grow their skeleton.
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And if mom doesn't have enough calcium, it is quite literally leached from her bones and her teeth.
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I have a girlfriend who her teeth are crumbling in her mouth.
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Truly.
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Because she is so depleted from pregnancy and breastfeeding for three years and her teeth, honestly, and it's just, it makes me so sad.
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Oh my God.
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Yep.
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So minerally depleted.
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Vitamin D is really, really important in pregnancy.
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Research shows that deficiency in vitamin D can increase your chances of postpartum depression.
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We really don't want that.
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So this is particularly important for the wintertime or people who live in a colder climate and they're not getting as much sun.
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Iron is another important mineral.
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It's
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drawn down so much in trimester two and three particularly and our blood volume increases by 50% when we're pregnant.
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It's significant.
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That's huge.
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I know and baby actually draws all the iron baby needs for the first six months of their life in trimester two and three because they need those iron stores until they eat.
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iron, you know, in six months when you introduce foods.
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So there's just so many minerals that are so important.
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And then of course, you know, coming back to the whole foods, the whole foods diet, the protein increases by 25 milligrams actually in trimester two and three.
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And coming back to your eggs, it's about four eggs, 25 milligrams of proteins, about four eggs.
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On top of what you usually eat.
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On top of what, and I mean, we don't have to be eating seven eggs.
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It's a lot.
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You need other proteins.
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We need other proteins.
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It's not just eggs.
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But just to give an example of how much protein requirements increase because you're literally building a baby, obviously.
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There's, yeah, there's a lot, but I would say, you know, those are the big ones in pregnancy.
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Of course, early pregnancy, the folate and the choline, critical for the development of the neural tube.
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And actually the neural tube closes by 28 days conception.
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And that's often a lot of the time before a lot of women know they're even pregnant.
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So, which is why doing that preconception work and optimizing stores beforehand is clever.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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There is so much to unpack here.
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I know.
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Yeah.
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when it comes to this.
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What I'm thinking is first trimester, majority of us are vomiting, nauseous, feeling sick.
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How on earth, when you're saying to have wild caught fish, that was the one thing I had an aversion from, fish.
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I was like, even last night we had Polly.
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It's a beautiful restaurant.
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And there was a Murray Cod's.
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I was like, fish is the one thing I'm struggling with.
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So I've been having the DHAs, the Omega-3s, but...
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Yeah, what advice would you give to the girls or the women who are really struggling but know they need to nourish their body?
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Yes, be gentle with yourself, particularly in the first trimester.
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Honestly, you do not have to be eating the wild caught fish, the seaweed, the like.
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It's not what you want.
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It's like you want to be mac and that's it.
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It's not what you want and that is okay and that is why I am so...
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passionate about sharing the importance of preconception care because you're buffering yourself in those first 12 weeks.
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So you can give yourself a bit of an exhale.
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Obviously, you know, it's not about just throwing everything out the window and going having the Big Macs every day.
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You can have it, whatever, have it every now and then.
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It's not a problem.
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It's just 80% of the time trying to do the best you can.
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But it is, it is hard.
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And that is the reality of
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you know, having the additional support with supplementation.
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Food is always first.
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But if you have a bit of a buffer with a prenatal, you know, I'm getting my choline, I'm getting my iodine, I'm getting my vitamin D, you know, I'm getting it from that.
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And then when I start to feel better, I can bring in a few more of those foods that I know to be beneficial.
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And you just do your best.
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Honestly, there's so...
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you just until you're in it you don't understand how hard it can be so i have so much deep empathy and understanding when women are like i can just eat bland foods for 12 weeks that's fine yeah you get through do you have some simple hacks that allows women to eat these foods in like a hidden way i think uh
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It's like even supplements like we were talking about before can be really hard to want to take them all.
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Oh, no, me and my best friend are struggling.
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I really minimise the amount.
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I really do minimise what pregnant women have to take because it's just too hard.
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I think you can...
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it's like there's a powder that I like that's a whole foods nutrition powder that has organ meats in it and broccoli and beetroot and things like that.
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And you can add it to smoothies.
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Yes, that's good.
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That's a nice way to weave in.
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Because I loved smoothies in the first trimester.
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I loved smoothies.
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Citrus, anything that's fresh is just so...
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Oh, I know.
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You just devour it.
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Yeah, it's the best.
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So I think if you can find some little powders that you can just up or even I actually suggest for clients frozen cauliflower in smoothies, you can't taste it.
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That's smart.
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Yeah.
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Even frozen zucchini.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And you just, you know, you can't taste it, so it's fine.
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Or porridge, for example, putting an egg yolk through porridge.
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Again, you can't taste it, but you're getting the benefits of that.
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And porridge is quite a nice simple staple, cinnamon,
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in that first trimester, it's just settling for your stomach.
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Even just if you just feel like toast or having a good quality sourdough, but having, trying to have butter on it, you know, and trying to have maybe a nut butter or avocado.
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So it doesn't have to be this, you know, ridiculously overcomplicated meal, but just trying to get a few nutrients where, where you can.
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Yeah.
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And it does shift.
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It does for a lot of women, some women, poor women that doesn't, if they have hyperemesis,
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they're vomiting the entire pregnancy.
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But for the majority of women, you do feel a lot better in the second trimester.
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What percentage of women have that where they're vomiting the whole time?
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I actually don't know.
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I have a few friends who have had that.
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Nightmare.
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And then they don't want to have another baby.
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I know.
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But then a lot of them have and then they weren't sick for the second.
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I think as well it doesn't discriminate from what I've heard.
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You can be really sick in your first pregnancy, not sick in your second, or you could be thriving your first pregnancy and so sick the second.
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Why does that happen?
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I wonder is it a gender thing?
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I feel like because I have – Do you think the wives tell?
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I think it might be because I think –
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think I was more unwell with Zipporah, my first girl, and this baby, we actually found out that it's a girl.
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We had two surprises for the first two, but for Odie, our middle, I was still positively exhausted and didn't feel well, but I do think I felt worse with girls.
459
00:28:28.320 --> 00:28:29.040
So I don't know.
460
00:28:29.620 --> 00:28:31.202
That is just a personal theory.
461
00:28:31.222 --> 00:28:31.942
Yeah.
462
00:28:32.463 --> 00:28:35.546
I mean, it's a theory that's lost the test of time.
463
00:28:35.966 --> 00:28:36.206
Yeah.
464
00:28:36.727 --> 00:28:38.008
So I can't pick it.
465
00:28:38.208 --> 00:28:40.911
I think there's just too many people who go against the theory.
466
00:28:40.931 --> 00:28:41.551
Yeah.
467
00:28:41.671 --> 00:28:53.642
And I think, I mean, there's obviously other factors, you know, blood glucose levels, nourishment, nutrient, you know, how well you're nourished, stress, how much pressure you have on yourself, like...
468
00:28:54.583 --> 00:28:58.725
you know, poor women are still pushing through and trying to do so much and it's really hard.
469
00:28:58.845 --> 00:28:59.226
Oh, my God.
470
00:28:59.246 --> 00:29:00.406
And it can make you feel worse.
471
00:29:00.546 --> 00:29:10.492
I could have a whole conversation about the need for leave for women in their first trimester or some sort of compensation.
472
00:29:11.807 --> 00:29:14.208
Some women are vomiting every day.
473
00:29:14.669 --> 00:29:18.611
You also don't look pregnant, so then no one gets up for you on the bus.
474
00:29:18.931 --> 00:29:20.792
You're not treated with the respect.
475
00:29:21.252 --> 00:29:24.934
You can't tell people you're pregnant because of society telling you not to.
476
00:29:25.754 --> 00:29:29.236
And you have to go to work every day, some people 9 to 5 in the city.
477
00:29:29.456 --> 00:29:30.837
Some people even shift work.
478
00:29:31.417 --> 00:29:38.979
I think there needs to be a law change because now going through it and speaking to so many women, I'm completely shocked.
479
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:40.319
I agree.
480
00:29:40.339 --> 00:29:50.162
I completely, I feel so grateful that I have a career that I can, that I could have asleep in the afternoon.
481
00:29:50.542 --> 00:29:56.324
And that if I really didn't want to do something, I had the choice, but so many women don't.
482
00:29:56.644 --> 00:29:57.624
And you're right.
483
00:29:57.924 --> 00:30:00.585
It's, it's so hard.
484
00:30:00.865 --> 00:30:01.687
It's so hard.
485
00:30:01.828 --> 00:30:06.338
The respect I have for all mothers, and I haven't even given birth yet.
486
00:30:06.378 --> 00:30:08.704
Apparently that is just a whole other thing.
487
00:30:10.815 --> 00:30:11.335
phenomenon.
488
00:30:11.915 --> 00:30:12.755
It's amazing.
489
00:30:12.935 --> 00:30:19.197
One of the products that has become a real staple for me throughout pregnancy is the Mother's Blend from Foraged For You.
490
00:30:19.577 --> 00:30:23.418
I actually first discovered the brand when Sheridan came on the podcast.
491
00:30:23.838 --> 00:30:32.639
As a clinical nutritionist, she shared so much about why the quality and source of our nutrients matters, especially during pregnancy.
492
00:30:32.939 --> 00:30:36.500
And it completely changed the way I look at supplementation.
493
00:30:37.020 --> 00:30:39.741
What I love about the Mother's Blend is that it's made
494
00:30:40.701 --> 00:30:44.564
certified organic whole foods rather than synthetic nutrients.
495
00:30:45.084 --> 00:30:58.013
It contains ingredients like fermented greens, grass-fed beef liver, and spleen, camu camu, and Atlantic kelp, providing natural sources of nutrients like folate, iron, B12, and iodine.
496
00:30:58.393 --> 00:31:02.196
One of the things that really stood out to me is how intentional they are.
497
00:31:02.816 --> 00:31:04.717
Every ingredient has a purpose.
498
00:31:05.057 --> 00:31:10.201
Every batch is third-party tested, and it's all made right here in Australia.
499
00:31:10.321 --> 00:31:18.788
I simply add a couple of teaspoons into my morning smoothie and it's become one of those daily habits that help me feel like I'm nourishing myself and bub.
500
00:31:19.008 --> 00:31:24.553
If you'd like to learn more, head to foragedforyou.com and use the code selfdom10 for 10% off.
501
00:31:25.834 --> 00:31:29.596
I want to talk about nutrition postpartum.
502
00:31:29.676 --> 00:31:33.778
So we've kind of covered, you cover your bases, preconception.
503
00:31:33.798 --> 00:31:41.181
Then when you go into your first trimester, you're kind of okay, but then hopefully you're feeling better and you can do all the fundamentals.
504
00:31:42.181 --> 00:31:42.922
Postpartum.
505
00:31:43.342 --> 00:31:43.702
Yes.
506
00:31:44.502 --> 00:31:50.445
Apparently giving birth is the most calories you'll ever burn in your whole life.
507
00:31:51.077 --> 00:31:52.378
Which makes sense.
508
00:31:52.398 --> 00:31:53.338
It makes so much sense.
509
00:31:53.419 --> 00:31:55.020
And then you're depleted afterwards.
510
00:31:56.280 --> 00:32:03.185
Yes, from many, you know, from many factors, you know, the blood loss but also just the demands of postpartum.
511
00:32:05.026 --> 00:32:18.895
In many cultures, many Eastern cultures, Japan, China, India, the Middle East, they have this beautiful postpartum tradition of deep nourishment for the mother for 30 to 40 days and,
512
00:32:20.516 --> 00:32:23.897
And sadly, in the Western society, it's not as common.
513
00:32:23.997 --> 00:32:24.998
I do love that.
514
00:32:25.918 --> 00:32:36.962
I think it's becoming, you know, since I guess in, since having my daughter, I feel like it is becoming a bit more of a conversation, that 40 days of rest.
515
00:32:37.042 --> 00:32:40.804
It sounds super long, probably for some women, you don't have to do the 40 days.
516
00:32:41.444 --> 00:32:45.606
But the idea is really in those first few weeks postpartum, you know,
517
00:32:46.506 --> 00:32:57.555
to really focus on deep nourishment through food as medicine, through warmth, through rest, through in these cultures, they do warm oil massage, which just sounds heavenly.
518
00:32:57.655 --> 00:32:58.395
Oh my God.
519
00:32:58.575 --> 00:32:58.896
I know.
520
00:32:58.916 --> 00:32:59.616
Let's move.
521
00:32:59.756 --> 00:33:00.377
Yeah, I know.
522
00:33:03.113 --> 00:33:20.602
There's some beautiful doulas or postpartum doulas that do this, but the idea is that the mother regains the strength that she needs to be able to focus on rebuilding, repairing postpartum, post-birth and post-pregnancy because as we've spoken about, it's so demanding.
523
00:33:21.422 --> 00:33:26.345
But also being able to just create that bond and relationship with baby in a non-stressful way.
524
00:33:26.625 --> 00:33:26.965
state.
525
00:33:27.946 --> 00:33:35.110
And a big focus on the foods is warm, warm foods, easy to digest foods.
526
00:33:35.710 --> 00:33:42.434
They're really deeply nourishing, like slow cooked stews with meat on the bone.
527
00:33:42.534 --> 00:33:44.855
So it's leaching all the minerals from the bone.
528
00:33:44.875 --> 00:33:49.198
You're getting the glycine for your nervous system, the collagen to repair the
529
00:33:53.220 --> 00:34:02.047
congees, kitchery, like all these deeply nourishing warm foods, porridge with stewed fruits, herbal teas through your nervous system.
530
00:34:02.787 --> 00:34:11.734
And all of these meals have a through line of being mineral rich, protein rich, having healthy fats.
531
00:34:11.894 --> 00:34:16.217
All of this is to rebuild the huge job that we've just done.
532
00:34:16.437 --> 00:34:20.981
And I think so much of the focus on postpartum is for baby and mama is just
533
00:34:22.562 --> 00:34:28.645
trying to get her head above water and just figure out what's going on because, you know, there's so much that's happening.
534
00:34:29.266 --> 00:34:31.047
But the nourishment is so key here.
535
00:34:31.087 --> 00:34:35.529
So really focusing on those warm meals is so beneficial.
536
00:34:36.150 --> 00:34:40.352
Having enough protein to rebuild postpartum and then
537
00:34:41.513 --> 00:34:53.776
I guess zooming in a little bit more on key nutrients, the DHA, again, really, really important because this is supportive for mums and bubs, cognition and mood, which is key.
538
00:34:53.856 --> 00:34:56.377
Postpartum, you know, we can have such big mood shifts.
539
00:34:57.297 --> 00:35:03.359
Iron, restoring iron, particularly if you've had a big blood loss or if you've had deficiency, which is really normal and common.
540
00:35:05.299 --> 00:35:13.221
So calcium, magnesium is a really important mineral actually in postpartum because it's calming for the nervous system.
541
00:35:13.461 --> 00:35:14.542
It's helping you sleep.
542
00:35:14.982 --> 00:35:26.964
So actually the protocol that I usually give for postpartum women, again, is as slim as I can because we just don't need the pressure, but it's food is medicine that rest as much as possible.
543
00:35:27.405 --> 00:35:28.605
Stay with your prenatal.
544
00:35:28.685 --> 00:35:29.045
Not every
545
00:35:35.007 --> 00:35:36.428
the DHA and the magnesium.
546
00:35:36.628 --> 00:35:41.132
I also always bring in a herb called withania, also known as ashwagandha.
547
00:35:41.652 --> 00:35:46.876
And it is the most nourishing herb for postpartum mums because it's an adaptogen herb.
548
00:35:46.896 --> 00:35:58.925
It helps your body adapt to physical, emotional, mental stress and can really give you that extra bandwidth when so much is changing and you can feel quite...
549
00:36:01.518 --> 00:36:22.736
dysregulated that just sounds beautiful and i don't think many people get the option to do that unfortunately and there are a lot of pressure on women to not only be an amazing mom but go back to work get your pre-baby body there's so much pressure and
550
00:36:23.818 --> 00:36:32.590
And I actually saw this TikTok the other day and it was a girl showing at her baby shower instead of doing like the games and stuff.
551
00:36:32.610 --> 00:36:37.277
She had all her friends over and they cooked enough food to last three weeks.
552
00:36:37.677 --> 00:36:39.199
Oh, that's incredible.
553
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:40.041
And...
554
00:36:41.522 --> 00:36:52.993
It's interesting because above all else, above the fancy baby clothes and the snoo and the list of things you need to buy, I think that's for the baby.
555
00:36:53.513 --> 00:37:02.241
But the nourishment that comes from food and nourishes the mother and the family, of course, and ultimately your baby.
556
00:37:02.421 --> 00:37:07.326
So I think it's even if we can't take those 40 days of rest,
557
00:37:08.556 --> 00:37:13.620
What can your village around you do to allow you to rest?
558
00:37:13.980 --> 00:37:19.645
And I think as well, I'd love to go back to your experience as being a mum for the first time.
559
00:37:20.950 --> 00:37:26.752
Did you get to include rest or were you just running around?
560
00:37:27.353 --> 00:37:36.016
My first postpartum experience was even more gentle than my second because with the second, I had my daughter.
561
00:37:36.096 --> 00:37:38.237
So she was there, which was beautiful and I loved it.
562
00:37:38.297 --> 00:37:39.618
They're all special in their own way.
563
00:37:40.898 --> 00:37:43.479
I was able to rest.
564
00:37:43.499 --> 00:37:45.280
It was so lovely.
565
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.802
I remember just lying in bed with my baby and just reading books.
566
00:37:50.182 --> 00:37:57.425
And I had stocked the freezer full of food and I had a meal train organized by a friend, which is just the best gift.
567
00:37:57.485 --> 00:38:04.547
Exactly what you're saying that friends can choose a day and bring over a dish and, oh, you just feel so loved.
568
00:38:04.587 --> 00:38:05.768
And it is, it's the best gift.
569
00:38:06.668 --> 00:38:09.030
So I was able to rest and I rested for a few weeks.
570
00:38:09.091 --> 00:38:15.657
I didn't do 40 days because, you know, I think in our society, 40 days is you sometimes feel a little bit stir crazy.
571
00:38:16.778 --> 00:38:17.338
Did you leave?
572
00:38:17.478 --> 00:38:21.022
When they say 40 days of rest, you're not just in bed.
573
00:38:21.262 --> 00:38:23.884
Well, actually, I had a makeup artist this week.
574
00:38:24.825 --> 00:38:29.835
And she was telling me how before she fell pregnant, she was not woo at all.
575
00:38:30.476 --> 00:38:34.082
When she fell pregnant, she got so into it, she ended up doing a home birth.
576
00:38:34.483 --> 00:38:37.188
She did the 40-day rest in bed and...
577
00:38:37.420 --> 00:38:40.981
a next section where you don't leave the house and then you leave the house.
578
00:38:41.001 --> 00:38:43.442
And she said it was incredible.
579
00:38:43.502 --> 00:38:44.202
It's incredible.
580
00:38:44.242 --> 00:38:46.003
I was like, I would go batshit crazy.
581
00:38:46.183 --> 00:38:46.323
Yeah.
582
00:38:46.603 --> 00:38:46.943
I think.
583
00:38:47.203 --> 00:38:48.843
Because I just, like, I love leaving the house.
584
00:38:49.044 --> 00:38:53.565
I'm more, I want to walk with the baby, strap the baby on and get sunshine in my eyes.
585
00:38:54.105 --> 00:38:54.625
That's right.
586
00:38:54.705 --> 00:38:57.426
And we're lucky because we have a bigger property.
587
00:38:57.886 --> 00:38:59.007
So I was outside.
588
00:38:59.187 --> 00:38:59.327
Oh.
589
00:38:59.627 --> 00:39:03.288
I was outside in the sun with Zipporah and we were just...
590
00:39:04.188 --> 00:39:16.841
hanging around the property and cooking, you know, that's the thing with the first, I actually was, you know, when she was sleeping, I was reading or I was, you know, cooking up something from the, from the freezer.
591
00:39:17.081 --> 00:39:17.441
Yeah.
592
00:39:18.002 --> 00:39:19.723
But it was, it was a really gentle,
593
00:39:28.773 --> 00:39:30.474
entry into motherhood.
594
00:39:30.714 --> 00:39:31.815
And it was very special.
595
00:39:31.915 --> 00:39:34.616
I wasn't able to rest as much with my second.
596
00:39:34.656 --> 00:39:38.918
I still was at home for nearly two weeks and just chilling.
597
00:39:38.978 --> 00:39:43.460
We'd go for a walk, we'd go down to the park and things like that.
598
00:39:43.620 --> 00:39:46.262
But majority of the time I wasn't out socializing.
599
00:39:48.703 --> 00:39:49.644
you don't feel like it.
600
00:39:50.004 --> 00:39:59.354
And I think exactly what you said, the pressure, I think we have to differentiate between is, do I want to get out to go for a walk because it's enjoyable for me?
601
00:39:59.494 --> 00:40:05.000
Or do I feel the pressure to get out and show my baby off and get down to the coffee shop?
602
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:05.701
Because
603
00:40:08.123 --> 00:40:19.229
I really encourage women to just come back to what feels good for you rather than, you know, having that societal pressure of feeling the need to do all the things.
604
00:40:20.390 --> 00:40:30.535
I think it's so true what you say about just wanting to recluse because I already feel that a lot deeper in my bones.
605
00:40:30.555 --> 00:40:32.216
I don't know if it's a hormonal change or
606
00:40:32.716 --> 00:40:49.447
at 27 weeks where i'm just like i want to be at home yeah i want to nest tom loves going out for dates so i've been going out with him here and there and the other day he was getting all dressed up and i was like i was in a track band i was like you can't wear silk pants and a shirt
607
00:40:50.668 --> 00:40:51.629
I'm wearing this.
608
00:40:51.649 --> 00:40:53.390
This is all that fits me right now, okay?
609
00:40:53.450 --> 00:40:55.110
Finished with this outfit.
610
00:40:55.130 --> 00:40:56.591
And he goes, what?
611
00:40:56.711 --> 00:40:58.032
A man wants to wear his silks.
612
00:40:58.352 --> 00:41:00.053
I love that for him.
613
00:41:00.093 --> 00:41:04.155
But I think he wants to because he knows we'll be at home a lot.
614
00:41:04.555 --> 00:41:05.496
And I usually am.
615
00:41:05.536 --> 00:41:07.937
But the hormonal change, I just want to be at home.
616
00:41:08.657 --> 00:41:12.219
And I really hope I have that luxury.
617
00:41:13.299 --> 00:41:17.722
I've already said it's actually good my agent, she's about to go on maternity leave.
618
00:41:18.582 --> 00:41:22.625
Because jobs have come up and she's like, Dom, you're not taking any work for November.
619
00:41:22.885 --> 00:41:23.886
Oh, that's amazing.
620
00:41:23.926 --> 00:41:24.466
She knows.
621
00:41:24.486 --> 00:41:25.046
She knows.
622
00:41:25.126 --> 00:41:26.407
Because I'm like, no.
623
00:41:26.707 --> 00:41:27.388
It'll be fine.
624
00:41:27.428 --> 00:41:30.950
But it's also my first, I have no idea how I will feel.
625
00:41:30.970 --> 00:41:31.370
Yeah.
626
00:41:31.631 --> 00:41:38.095
As a first time mum, there are so many decisions to make, especially when it comes to what you use on Bub's delicate skin.
627
00:41:38.235 --> 00:41:44.739
And honestly, when you're navigating all the advice out there, I found myself coming back to one simple idea.
628
00:41:44.879 --> 00:41:46.020
Less is more.
629
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:48.102
That's why I love water wipes.
630
00:41:48.282 --> 00:41:57.769
Their sensitive newborn and baby wipes are made with just two ingredients, 99.9% purified water and a drop of fruit extract.
631
00:41:57.869 --> 00:42:05.755
They are specifically designed for delicate newborn skin, providing a gentle, effective clean without fragrance or any harsh ingredients.
632
00:42:05.915 --> 00:42:16.739
Plus, they are also the first and only baby wipe certified microbiome friendly by My Microbiome, helping support baby's natural skin barrier while they clean.
633
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:27.043
So if you're trying to make thoughtful and science-backed choices for your little one, add water wipes to your next cold shop and see why so many parents trust them from day one.
634
00:42:27.303 --> 00:42:29.403
I want to talk about postnatal depression.
635
00:42:29.944 --> 00:42:30.324
Yeah.
636
00:42:31.504 --> 00:42:34.246
It seems a lot more common than I've realized.
637
00:42:34.446 --> 00:42:39.149
I'm obviously diving a lot more into motherhood and listening to podcasts, but.
638
00:42:41.162 --> 00:42:47.527
Some people who seem like they have everything put together, when you actually hear their story, they're really struggling.
639
00:42:48.027 --> 00:42:53.871
Are there ways that we can try reduce the chances of feeling low after birth?
640
00:42:54.111 --> 00:43:02.257
It makes me really sad because whether or not, you know, it's depletion or depression, there are so many changes that happen.
641
00:43:03.727 --> 00:43:04.588
in postpartum.
642
00:43:05.609 --> 00:43:19.847
I actually think understanding what happens to our brain can give us a bit of a deeper understanding of why we may feel the way we do, because the architecture in our brain quite literally changes after every birth, not just the first.
643
00:43:19.967 --> 00:43:21.169
It continues to change.
644
00:43:21.229 --> 00:43:21.890
Explain that.
645
00:43:23.417 --> 00:43:24.457
So it's quite remarkable.
646
00:43:25.118 --> 00:43:33.441
There's something called synaptic pruning that happens and it only happens three times in a woman's life, in childhood, adolescence and matrescence.
647
00:43:33.561 --> 00:43:37.783
So the journey from being a woman to a mother is matrescence.
648
00:43:37.803 --> 00:43:39.643
They're trying to put that in the dictionary at the moment.
649
00:43:39.723 --> 00:43:40.524
Can you believe it's not?
650
00:43:40.544 --> 00:43:41.364
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
651
00:43:42.652 --> 00:43:55.057
And what synaptic pruning is, is it's our brain's way of deprioritizing pathways that aren't so important in this season of life and prioritizing pathways that are more important.
652
00:43:55.097 --> 00:43:55.417
Wow.
653
00:43:55.457 --> 00:43:56.778
And it's not a bad thing.
654
00:43:57.258 --> 00:43:58.578
It's actually biological.
655
00:43:59.179 --> 00:44:02.740
And I like to compare it to that of a rose bush.
656
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:07.222
If you're trimming off the dead branches of a rose bush, it doesn't make the plant weaker.
657
00:44:07.402 --> 00:44:09.303
It actually helps the plant's energy grow.
658
00:44:10.443 --> 00:44:13.124
go to where it needs to grow so it can grow even more.
659
00:44:13.944 --> 00:44:15.125
And so what happens in our brain?
660
00:44:16.325 --> 00:44:22.987
The amygdala, which is our brain's alarm system, it's responsible for that fight and flight response.
661
00:44:23.267 --> 00:44:24.788
It becomes more sensitive.
662
00:44:25.348 --> 00:44:26.909
So we are on high alert.
663
00:44:26.929 --> 00:44:29.569
We are scanning for danger to protect our baby.
664
00:44:30.030 --> 00:44:35.711
It also helps us become hypervigilant to acknowledge and understand all our baby's cues.
665
00:44:36.372 --> 00:44:36.692
But
666
00:44:37.652 --> 00:44:47.043
If that's on high alert and we are sleep deprived because we are, we may be not nourishing ourselves as best as we can.
667
00:44:47.083 --> 00:44:48.404
We may not have the support.
668
00:44:49.365 --> 00:44:55.752
We can feel really anxious or we can feel really hyper alert and that can make us feel really down.
669
00:44:55.772 --> 00:44:55.872
Yeah.
670
00:44:56.953 --> 00:45:03.058
The other changes that happen are to the prefrontal cortex and the pruning that happens there.
671
00:45:03.078 --> 00:45:14.888
The prefrontal cortex is responsible for emotional regulation and rational thinking and also taking in emotional and information from everyone around us.
672
00:45:15.789 --> 00:45:18.811
And as that prunes, you think, well, why wouldn't we need that?
673
00:45:18.851 --> 00:45:19.872
Isn't that beneficial?
674
00:45:20.372 --> 00:45:25.397
But the idea is to zoom out from the world around us and to zoom in on our baby and that
675
00:45:26.057 --> 00:45:34.622
To what you were saying, it's like we start to feel like we want to nest more, that maybe we don't feel as social, we don't feel as outgoing.
676
00:45:35.682 --> 00:45:40.665
And there's that identity shift and it can make us feel really uncomfortable initially.
677
00:45:41.640 --> 00:45:44.362
So it's like these changes are happening.
678
00:45:44.522 --> 00:45:47.625
Also something called the glymphatic system.
679
00:45:48.005 --> 00:45:48.626
I've heard of this.
680
00:45:48.666 --> 00:45:49.126
What is this?
681
00:45:49.166 --> 00:45:49.447
Yeah.
682
00:45:49.527 --> 00:45:55.712
So it's, I like to explain it like the brain's waste removal system.
683
00:45:55.872 --> 00:45:56.072
Yeah.
684
00:45:56.653 --> 00:46:07.341
And what it does is it clears out when we're sleeping and we're in deep, slow wave, undisturbed sleep, key,
685
00:46:08.362 --> 00:46:11.326
it clears out cortisol and inflammation from the day.
686
00:46:11.586 --> 00:46:12.788
So it's clearing it out.
687
00:46:12.828 --> 00:46:15.471
So we're waking up feeling far more refreshed and regulated.
688
00:46:16.392 --> 00:46:21.479
But the problem is when we're in motherhood, we're not having that deep, slow wave, undisturbed sleep.
689
00:46:21.739 --> 00:46:22.620
We are having...
690
00:46:24.037 --> 00:46:25.399
short, sharp bursts of sleep.
691
00:46:25.859 --> 00:46:29.604
So we're not getting that clear up of cortisol and inflammation.
692
00:46:29.824 --> 00:46:37.174
And again, that is so impactful for a mother's mood, the way she feels.
693
00:46:37.354 --> 00:46:39.917
You do, you feel so hypervigilant.
694
00:46:39.977 --> 00:46:40.618
You feel...
695
00:46:42.475 --> 00:46:44.137
I remember just feeling so wired.
696
00:46:44.938 --> 00:46:55.269
And if you don't understand what's happening to your brain, you don't understand that there's a reason that it is quite literally neurological and quite literally hormonal, then we can be like, what's wrong with us?
697
00:46:55.390 --> 00:46:56.150
What's wrong with us?
698
00:46:56.951 --> 00:46:59.334
So I think understanding that can be really helpful.
699
00:46:59.534 --> 00:46:59.775
Mm-hmm.
700
00:47:01.116 --> 00:47:03.598
and then it really goes back to what we were talking about.
701
00:47:03.658 --> 00:47:08.323
It's asking for the support, really resting when you can.
702
00:47:08.383 --> 00:47:13.468
We're not going to get the deep sleep, but we can rest, and that can shift our nervous system in the day.
703
00:47:13.548 --> 00:47:21.296
Even a 20-minute nap can shift our nervous system into a parasympathetic dominant state where we're feeling more regulated and calm.
704
00:47:22.357 --> 00:47:26.538
keeping up with your, you know, having those nourishing grounding meals, not pushing yourself.
705
00:47:27.178 --> 00:47:30.859
Beautiful practices like gratitude journaling, you know, they're simple.
706
00:47:30.899 --> 00:47:32.219
It takes five or ten minutes.
707
00:47:32.399 --> 00:47:49.182
It's not going for this big walk or going to the gym or whatever we might have done in the past, but it's trying to get a little bit of those lifestyle practices that help us feel more calm and regulated and balanced can be really super beneficial.
708
00:47:50.030 --> 00:48:14.486
I want every partner to listen to what you just said because I think an element is, of course, the mother understanding the changes happening to their brain but also the partner because if they understand that you have actually had a change in your brain that's making you maybe a little less social, it's not going to go back to how it was anymore
709
00:48:14.706 --> 00:48:21.768
I think it's a really big misconception that you just go back to how it was after, but there's actually... We've changed completely.
710
00:48:21.788 --> 00:48:22.568
Completely changed.
711
00:48:22.608 --> 00:48:30.251
And I think that that's really important that the other person in the relationship who didn't give birth understands that.
712
00:48:31.211 --> 00:48:34.372
Another thing that came to mind as well is my doula.
713
00:48:35.012 --> 00:48:38.233
She's really big on letting me sleep.
714
00:48:39.550 --> 00:48:52.236
letting Tom do a feed that allows me to sleep from 10pm to 2am, because that window apparently is when that system, the glyphatic system works the best.
715
00:48:52.336 --> 00:48:52.996
Amazing.
716
00:48:53.016 --> 00:49:01.840
Yeah, and I thought that was really good advice, because if I can sleep a four-hour window, she said that is the best four-hour window to take.
717
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:05.762
And I think that's when optimisation is kind of a good thing.
718
00:49:05.782 --> 00:49:07.683
I think we've kind of seen it go a little bit out there.
719
00:49:07.983 --> 00:49:09.284
the other way too much.
720
00:49:09.884 --> 00:49:14.086
But if you can pick the window that you sleep as a mother, could be really beneficial.
721
00:49:14.326 --> 00:49:15.107
Oh, absolutely.
722
00:49:15.167 --> 00:49:25.572
I mean, that's the thing is if you can get those four hours, you do, you feel so significantly different, better than just, you know, every two hours.
723
00:49:26.932 --> 00:49:41.384
And, yeah, I think asking for that support and exactly what you said, if the partner understands that when you give birth, you're not just giving birth to a baby, you're giving birth to a new version of you every time.
724
00:49:41.404 --> 00:49:44.106
And it's amazing that it's every time.
725
00:49:44.607 --> 00:49:49.131
I also was just learning that you grow a new placenta every time.
726
00:49:49.151 --> 00:49:53.834
And I know you give birth to your placenta, but I think that I didn't register that.
727
00:49:54.055 --> 00:49:55.516
I thought I would build an organ once.
728
00:49:56.193 --> 00:49:57.314
Not every time.
729
00:49:57.675 --> 00:49:59.196
That's why it's so exhausting.
730
00:49:59.216 --> 00:50:00.858
Oh, my God.
731
00:50:01.218 --> 00:50:03.701
It's actually insane if you think about it.
732
00:50:03.781 --> 00:50:04.021
I know.
733
00:50:04.041 --> 00:50:05.483
You are growing a new organ.
734
00:50:05.543 --> 00:50:05.964
You are.
735
00:50:05.984 --> 00:50:07.565
I know.
736
00:50:07.585 --> 00:50:09.047
I can't fathom it.
737
00:50:09.127 --> 00:50:10.849
Yeah, a new organ and a life.
738
00:50:10.909 --> 00:50:13.452
I often look at my children and I'm like, I grew you.
739
00:50:13.472 --> 00:50:13.732
Yeah.
740
00:50:13.752 --> 00:50:13.992
Yeah.
741
00:50:15.153 --> 00:50:16.294
It's crazy.
742
00:50:16.614 --> 00:50:17.535
It's crazy.
743
00:50:17.595 --> 00:50:18.756
It's incredible.
744
00:50:18.896 --> 00:50:20.458
I know women really are.
745
00:50:20.918 --> 00:50:30.646
Just jumping in really quickly because if you're enjoying this episode and you know someone who would love this conversation or could learn something from it, send it to them.
746
00:50:30.906 --> 00:50:37.151
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747
00:50:37.751 --> 00:50:44.815
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748
00:50:45.295 --> 00:50:49.737
So every share, follow and listen genuinely means the world to me.
749
00:50:50.237 --> 00:50:51.958
Okay, back to the episode.
750
00:50:52.178 --> 00:50:55.119
I want to talk about supplements for postpartum.
751
00:50:55.180 --> 00:51:03.484
I know we spoke about continuing your prenatal, but one thing we speak a lot about on this pod is the power of creatine for brain health.
752
00:51:03.944 --> 00:51:06.205
What are your views on creatine postpartum?
753
00:51:06.645 --> 00:51:13.247
Well, the research around that is quite interesting and exciting, actually.
754
00:51:13.267 --> 00:51:17.048
I listened to a podcast on this and I was like, I'm getting creatine.
755
00:51:17.368 --> 00:51:20.329
And then when I read the research, I was like, this is incredible.
756
00:51:20.449 --> 00:51:31.933
So it does show to reduce the sleep deprivation impacts for everyone, but that's particularly important for mothers because we do have such sleep deprivation.
757
00:51:32.413 --> 00:51:33.834
So I'm all for it.
758
00:51:33.934 --> 00:51:34.294
I think...
759
00:51:35.554 --> 00:51:41.299
I tried it for a little while, but I think I went, I did too big of a dose too soon.
760
00:51:41.319 --> 00:51:43.661
That was the guinea pig.
761
00:51:43.681 --> 00:51:44.762
You maxed it out.
762
00:51:44.942 --> 00:51:47.944
And then I realized, actually, this is a male dose.
763
00:51:48.364 --> 00:51:51.887
I don't think on that podcast, they were saying 10 grams, you know, 10 grams.
764
00:51:52.148 --> 00:51:53.629
I don't think you need 10 grams.
765
00:51:54.309 --> 00:51:56.131
I think five grams is enough for women.
766
00:51:56.671 --> 00:51:58.292
But again, work with your practitioner.
767
00:51:58.312 --> 00:51:58.673
Yeah.
768
00:51:59.133 --> 00:52:04.456
And in divided doses because I felt really bloated from it and you can get those side effects.
769
00:52:04.477 --> 00:52:05.437
The water retention.
770
00:52:05.457 --> 00:52:05.697
Yeah.
771
00:52:05.937 --> 00:52:07.298
And if you're pregnant, it's already bad.
772
00:52:07.458 --> 00:52:07.979
Yeah, yeah.
773
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:08.599
But it's safe.
774
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:09.760
It's safe through pregnancy.
775
00:52:09.820 --> 00:52:11.141
It's safe through postpartum.
776
00:52:11.221 --> 00:52:19.966
And I am really all for just giving anything a go if the research is there and it's beneficial because that's the thing you do.
777
00:52:19.986 --> 00:52:23.268
You feel really groggy postpartum if that's going to help you.
778
00:52:23.489 --> 00:52:28.031
And, you know, the research on Alzheimer's and all of these amazing cognitive...
779
00:52:29.383 --> 00:52:29.983
benefits.
780
00:52:30.624 --> 00:52:30.924
Yeah.
781
00:52:31.044 --> 00:52:39.288
I think, I think it's, I think I don't, I personally haven't done it long enough to say, but I think that it, it sounds exciting.
782
00:52:39.488 --> 00:52:42.890
Well, we'll watch this space, I think, when it comes to creating.
783
00:52:42.950 --> 00:52:43.251
Yes.
784
00:52:43.971 --> 00:52:52.876
I want to finish this podcast with a few questions just that I have regarding symptoms of pregnancy and this whole journey.
785
00:52:52.896 --> 00:52:52.936
I,
786
00:52:53.696 --> 00:52:56.677
One thing I've been experiencing is hormonal acne again.
787
00:52:57.458 --> 00:52:58.298
Why?
788
00:52:59.118 --> 00:53:03.400
Hormonal acne is mainly from the rise in progesterone and androgens that happen.
789
00:53:03.580 --> 00:53:04.620
It's really normal.
790
00:53:04.680 --> 00:53:06.001
I know it's really annoying though.
791
00:53:06.021 --> 00:53:10.583
There can be so many random skin things that happen in pregnancy.
792
00:53:10.603 --> 00:53:11.943
It's really interesting.
793
00:53:11.983 --> 00:53:13.504
Hormones do wild things in the body.
794
00:53:14.504 --> 00:53:25.530
But what we can do for it safely is vitamin C. It is amazing for collagen production, but it's also wound healing.
795
00:53:26.890 --> 00:53:28.331
Topically or through?
796
00:53:28.431 --> 00:53:29.011
Internally.
797
00:53:29.031 --> 00:53:29.392
Okay.
798
00:53:29.412 --> 00:53:30.392
I just got mandarins.
799
00:53:30.412 --> 00:53:31.152
Is that good?
800
00:53:31.172 --> 00:53:31.493
Both.
801
00:53:31.613 --> 00:53:32.193
Yeah, yeah.
802
00:53:32.213 --> 00:53:37.396
So lots of whole food, lots of whole food, vitamin C rich foods, but also a supplement.
803
00:53:37.416 --> 00:53:37.556
Really?
804
00:53:37.576 --> 00:53:38.316
I haven't been having that.
805
00:53:38.336 --> 00:53:39.397
Like a whole food supplement.
806
00:53:39.497 --> 00:53:40.437
I actually love.
807
00:53:40.737 --> 00:53:41.638
It's just ground down.
808
00:53:42.567 --> 00:53:44.930
you know, camu camu and acerola berries.
809
00:53:44.970 --> 00:53:50.236
So it's all food as medicine, but it's in a really therapeutic dose.
810
00:53:50.256 --> 00:53:53.599
So having that in some water, and it's actually also yum because it's citrusy.
811
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:53.920
Yum.
812
00:53:54.300 --> 00:53:56.122
So that's very wound healing.
813
00:53:56.302 --> 00:53:57.183
Zinc is another one.
814
00:53:57.223 --> 00:54:01.728
It would be in your prenatal and it is antibacterial for acne.
815
00:54:02.729 --> 00:54:05.571
And it's also anti-inflammatory and wound healing.
816
00:54:05.872 --> 00:54:06.932
So that can really help.
817
00:54:07.673 --> 00:54:09.214
And cod liver oil.
818
00:54:09.414 --> 00:54:13.497
I love cod liver oil for breakouts because it's anti-inflammatory.
819
00:54:13.537 --> 00:54:21.343
It reduces redness, but it also contains natural vitamin A and D, which are antioxidants and can support skin integrity.
820
00:54:21.963 --> 00:54:28.828
So that from like, I guess, a supplement perspective, and I know you would be doing this anyway, the, you know, hydrating, yeah.
821
00:54:29.949 --> 00:54:36.054
trying to flush your body, going to the bathroom every day, passing a stool, just to try and get toxins out.
822
00:54:36.074 --> 00:54:38.715
But for you, you know, it's not a toxin thing.
823
00:54:38.736 --> 00:54:39.616
It's a hormone thing.
824
00:54:39.756 --> 00:54:43.719
So sometimes it's just letting the course run.
825
00:54:43.859 --> 00:54:45.621
You just have to surrender sometimes.
826
00:54:45.661 --> 00:54:46.081
You do.
827
00:54:46.341 --> 00:54:46.801
Because...
828
00:54:48.523 --> 00:54:53.006
It is quite triggering because I've been through this in puberty.
829
00:54:53.326 --> 00:54:54.967
I went through it going off the pill.
830
00:54:55.347 --> 00:54:55.487
Yeah.
831
00:54:55.547 --> 00:54:56.447
I'm doing it again.
832
00:54:57.708 --> 00:55:02.671
But then some people who have had acne their whole life, they feel pregnant and it goes.
833
00:55:02.911 --> 00:55:09.074
I know because progesterone also, I know this is a bit of a like, it actually can clear your skin.
834
00:55:09.534 --> 00:55:10.995
So it's, I think.
835
00:55:12.295 --> 00:55:13.156
Pregnancy glow.
836
00:55:13.176 --> 00:55:13.936
Yeah, yeah.
837
00:55:13.956 --> 00:55:15.697
I've got a bit too much glow and it's oil.
838
00:55:15.897 --> 00:55:16.778
I think you look beautiful.
839
00:55:16.798 --> 00:55:17.038
Here is a.
840
00:55:19.208 --> 00:55:30.496
But I have to say being pregnant, and that's why I really wanted to do this series, is it can feel super isolating, especially your first one and especially if no one around you is pregnant.
841
00:55:30.957 --> 00:55:35.020
So I've been confining in podcasts in...
842
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:45.406
teachers like yourself who share really informative but digestible content because, yeah, it's hard.
843
00:55:45.426 --> 00:55:48.729
And I've actually loved, I've seen a girl who I adore.
844
00:55:48.989 --> 00:55:51.371
She's basically due the same day.
845
00:55:52.212 --> 00:55:53.553
She's dealing with hormonal acne.
846
00:55:53.573 --> 00:55:54.494
I'm like, oh, okay.
847
00:55:54.714 --> 00:55:57.256
And she's always just been like perfect skin.
848
00:55:57.877 --> 00:55:59.058
So it just makes you feel...
849
00:55:59.778 --> 00:56:00.358
Less alone.
850
00:56:00.378 --> 00:56:01.138
You're not alone.
851
00:56:01.158 --> 00:56:01.959
And that's the thing.
852
00:56:02.179 --> 00:56:03.739
It is a journey.
853
00:56:03.879 --> 00:56:08.341
And sometimes it's like every week you feel like you're experiencing a new symptom.
854
00:56:08.381 --> 00:56:09.161
And oh, my gosh.
855
00:56:09.201 --> 00:56:09.881
Every day.
856
00:56:09.921 --> 00:56:10.681
It's different.
857
00:56:10.901 --> 00:56:13.582
Like, for me, it's just wild.
858
00:56:13.762 --> 00:56:17.723
Another thing I wanted to ask you about is I need to pee all the time.
859
00:56:19.064 --> 00:56:21.004
What can I be doing for my pelvic floor?
860
00:56:21.585 --> 00:56:23.025
This is an excellent question.
861
00:56:23.265 --> 00:56:28.527
And as an additional, I guess, support throughout pregnancy, you can...
862
00:56:29.627 --> 00:56:33.589
visit a pelvic physio and just make sure everything's, you know, working well.
863
00:56:33.789 --> 00:56:45.915
Sometimes as women, we're so used to holding in our tummies, you know, constantly that tautness, holding in our tummies, we actually have to, and that's a pelvic floor thing as well, being too tight.
864
00:56:46.456 --> 00:56:52.939
So really allowing your pelvic floor to release rather than holding it too tight all the time.
865
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:57.001
And that's something the pelvic physio can help because obviously when we're birthing,
866
00:56:58.842 --> 00:57:03.025
I'm, like, scared to drink water because I... And then water's so important.
867
00:57:03.625 --> 00:57:03.726
Yeah.
868
00:57:03.746 --> 00:57:04.586
But then I need to pee.
869
00:57:04.646 --> 00:57:05.407
It's a whole thing.
870
00:57:05.627 --> 00:57:08.709
Like, I have to be super aware of where bathrooms are now.
871
00:57:08.809 --> 00:57:09.189
Oh, I know.
872
00:57:09.269 --> 00:57:10.090
On my morning walks.
873
00:57:10.110 --> 00:57:10.931
But it's the pressure.
874
00:57:11.071 --> 00:57:14.833
Like, it's actually holding on your bladder, like pushing on your bladder.
875
00:57:14.873 --> 00:57:20.798
So it's the small amount of urine that we have needs to come out more quickly.
876
00:57:21.790 --> 00:57:26.975
more often than, you know, our bladder doesn't have as much space in it because of everything pressing down.
877
00:57:27.336 --> 00:57:34.723
Our organ, you know, and you, toward the end as well, you can feel that shortness of breath because it's taking up space for your lungs.
878
00:57:34.943 --> 00:57:38.827
But I think the pelvic floor, pelvic floor physio is an excellent
879
00:57:39.948 --> 00:57:50.752
always an excellent practitioner to visit during pregnancy or postpartum as well, because a lot of women do experience problems postpartum with urinary incontinence from the pressure.
880
00:57:51.252 --> 00:57:55.794
But those gentle Kegel exercises, you know, I know we all know we should do it, but none of us do.
881
00:57:55.814 --> 00:57:56.574
I know.
882
00:57:56.634 --> 00:57:57.934
I do like two and I'm over it.
883
00:57:58.294 --> 00:57:58.635
I know.
884
00:57:58.655 --> 00:57:59.275
So boring.
885
00:57:59.335 --> 00:58:01.596
They say have it stacked with them, right?
886
00:58:01.696 --> 00:58:03.636
So maybe it's like- I'm doing it right now.
887
00:58:03.656 --> 00:58:04.296
I love that.
888
00:58:04.857 --> 00:58:05.937
At the traffic lights.
889
00:58:06.037 --> 00:58:07.638
I don't have traffic lights where I live, so-
890
00:58:09.586 --> 00:58:14.210
When the kettle's boiling, things like that is just, but it is, it is honestly true.
891
00:58:14.270 --> 00:58:24.458
And I think even a good Pilates class, I love my Pilates class, the Pilates class and Jackie, I know you're friends with her too.
892
00:58:24.478 --> 00:58:25.059
She's amazing.
893
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:31.224
But she often weaves, you know, that pelvic floor support into classes as well.
894
00:58:31.264 --> 00:58:33.946
So even tacking it on the end of a Pilates class.
895
00:58:35.327 --> 00:58:38.430
I think what I'm really gauging from this whole conversation is that
896
00:58:39.628 --> 00:59:00.628
A lot of it isn't in our control, but the stuff that is, if we can be really conscious about it and really aware of it when it comes to nutrition, sunlight, even educating yourself on all these changes, it really allows you to have the best journey into motherhood and
897
00:59:02.038 --> 00:59:09.740
I feel really inspired when I'm speaking to you as soon-to-be mum of three who has her own brand.
898
00:59:10.040 --> 00:59:15.861
You've got a beautiful, your content is so beautiful, that garden you have is magic.
899
00:59:16.561 --> 00:59:30.725
I'd love to end this pod by kind of sharing just some last bits of advice to any new mother, something that you wish that you had been taught or told before your little one entered the world.
900
00:59:30.765 --> 00:59:31.505
Thank you, Tom.
901
00:59:32.885 --> 00:59:42.628
I think just remember to be gentle with yourself and that you are the perfect mum for your baby.
902
00:59:42.988 --> 00:59:43.868
You really are.
903
00:59:43.908 --> 00:59:44.548
You're enough.
904
00:59:44.608 --> 00:59:45.608
You're worthy enough.
905
00:59:46.869 --> 00:59:48.609
You don't have to have it all figured out.
906
00:59:48.809 --> 00:59:50.290
You don't have to be perfect.
907
00:59:50.690 --> 00:59:53.190
You don't have to follow the strict schedules.
908
00:59:53.710 --> 00:59:54.111
You can just be
909
00:59:57.355 --> 01:00:02.057
You can just show up and it's not always easy.
910
01:00:02.237 --> 01:00:08.280
There's challenges, but you are absolutely capable of this incredible job.
911
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:12.522
And there's so much love and beauty that comes alongside the challenges.
912
01:00:13.162 --> 01:00:13.842
I love that.
913
01:00:13.862 --> 01:00:15.703
Well, thank you so much for coming on the pod.
914
01:00:15.724 --> 01:00:16.864
Thank you for having me.
915
01:00:16.884 --> 01:00:17.705
Thank you for my gifts.
916
01:00:17.765 --> 01:00:20.746
I'm so excited to use my beautiful oil.
917
01:00:20.966 --> 01:00:21.627
My pleasure.
918
01:00:21.647 --> 01:00:22.887
And put it on my belly.
919
01:00:22.988 --> 01:00:25.309
Is there any other notes you want to share about your brand?
920
01:00:25.549 --> 01:00:31.772
Mother Natal, you can pop on there and we have all our beautiful products there as well.
921
01:00:32.353 --> 01:00:35.575
And as I said, you know, education is so important.
922
01:00:36.575 --> 01:00:50.220
To me, to us, and I have a preconception fertility program that's available, you know, that if you just need more information, you can get it all there.
923
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:54.541
And it's a nod to evidence-based, but also the traditional wisdom that we were talking about.
924
01:00:54.561 --> 01:00:58.303
So yeah, that's just on my website as well.
925
01:00:58.423 --> 01:01:00.063
And also what your Instagram handle is?
926
01:01:00.383 --> 01:01:04.845
My Instagram handle is emma with one M. So emmataylornatropathy.
927
01:01:05.510 --> 01:01:06.511
And it's amazing.
928
01:01:06.551 --> 01:01:17.277
It's probably one of the few accounts that is inspiring instead of making you feel not good enough or, I don't know, there's a lot of comparison that comes with motherhood.
929
01:01:17.637 --> 01:01:19.838
And I think that that's a really difficult space.
930
01:01:19.878 --> 01:01:27.382
So make sure you audit your Instagram and all your social media accounts to follow people that actually make you feel really good and to feel nourished.
931
01:01:27.843 --> 01:01:28.763
So thank you, Em.
932
01:01:28.803 --> 01:01:29.824
Thank you.
933
01:01:29.864 --> 01:01:30.984
You're amazing.
934
01:01:31.024 --> 01:01:32.926
You're such a wealth of knowledge.
935
01:01:33.306 --> 01:01:33.586
Aw.
936
01:01:34.086 --> 01:02:01.634
um and thank you for coming up to sunny Sydney oh it's actually an honor it's the first time I've been away from my son since having him oh my god yeah he's two and a bit but it feels really special and I'm just yeah I'm thrilled to sit here and talk to you I think you're amazing and you're sharing such valuable knowledge for so many people so thank you for having me thank you I will see you guys on the next episode bye