X-Men '97 S2 EP1/2/3 (With comic writer Jackson Lanzing and Ash Alleyne!)

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Ash, and I'm Colodan.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, everybody, welcome to the big crossover.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We are doing the 97 sessions.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We have great nerd guests talking to us about X-Men 97.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The nostalgia cartoon that we are, Love it slash eating slash cry.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Out slash obsessed with slash don't want to be obsessed with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go, go, go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here we are back again glorious.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Where are we actually speak up this is your part Listen leave me the fuck alone jump snow me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd love to you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I look a little bit of two They've these assholes haven't been coming into my D.M.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So let us to come back and hear from me again I've had enough of them sit down.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let me do the show for those dramas
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[SPEAKER_04]: Who are here to talk about?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Next man, yeah, let's do that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome, welcome to another season of X-Men 97.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's me, it's gone.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we are doing the 97 sessions.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We are going to be here to talk to you about the car and that we all love hate sometimes feel.
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[SPEAKER_04]: In different about, but it's all very exciting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Shall we hold hands and start with the Sarah module chant?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Put it down in the middle of the world.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't deal with this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jackson, please just say something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he stops speaking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be like three minutes of being on the podcast to destroy this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've already driven you to a guest each other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Being the conqueror or shit, I'm really proud of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Last season, someone told us that it feels like they're walked into the worst therapy session for a couple that they've ever heard in their life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, that's true, except I would never be with that man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How dare you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it properly describes my appearance on Hacks of Words, which was just genuinely me doing my therapy in public.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I'm coming out of the X-Men and I'm nervous, so it's completely how it goes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And no, I'm really, I'm really happy with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is awesome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for coming out of the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's Jackson Lansing, comic book writer, Eisner nominee, you might know him from the hive mind, Jackson Lansing, and Colin Kelly, then I guess all right, I do have that, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm very proud of myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just want you to know that my favorite thing to do is to fuck up a name So I got that one and won't go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So fuck yes me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You might be familiar with Jackson from there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how many writing for Star Trek or you might know them your x-vounds from their most recent run and y-x
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[SPEAKER_03]: noncontroversially I will say known by me as the best comic book to come out of the front of the ashes period but let's not do all about too much and as always I'm here with Asheline once again to talk about like he said Xman 97 we're very excited let's start at the very beginning Jackson tell me what is Xman to you what is Xman 97 to you exactly
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[SPEAKER_02]: So these two are two very different things because when I was growing up, I actually wasn't allowed to read or watch the X-Men.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so my parents had a rule.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't allowed to read or watch anything as a kid that had people hurting other people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like violence was kind of a question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I could do teaning me into turtles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was totally fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it looked like people and so that I wasn't allowed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So X-Men became this kind of like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: fun contraband that I had to find in my own way, and eventually when I started reading comics, it was all X-Men books.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got on X-Men early, X-Men became a really core part of my, like, upcoming into comics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, of course, when I ended up at Marvel, it became the brass rate, the thing we were trying to get to forever, and then when we got to NYX, that became this really beautiful actual year of my life, year plus where I got to spend with, with, most of my favorite academy X kids.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was like a grand time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when 97 has been really cool because I specifically never got to watch the old animated series.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was never on my list and never got to go back and watch it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just, it passed me back completely, missed me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, most of my best friends, my writing partner Colin Kelly, all huge fans of X-Men 97, are of the original animated series.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when X-Men 97 finally came out, I got to start partaking with everybody else, and to watch all of last season at like, experience that version of the X-Men fan community for the first time, which was a real joy and now I'm talking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess to me, X-Men weirdly is always about that sort of liberation from the expectations of other people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, my parents had expectations of what I was allowed to watch your read, X-Men became my rebellion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a big part of it for me, which fits, I think, very thematically with the point of X-Men, which is to be one stealth in the face of a cavalcade of forces telling you to be anything else.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That was a very touching story and I'm really glad that you shared that with us and I love that this is face where you can be alternate.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The question is pressing on my mind is the distinction between teenagers and the expert because, okay, just taking a face value.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They are both about a group of mutants who are fighting a forever war on behalf of their adopted father against their adopted fathers boyfriend who is obsessed with metal.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, that actually, it feels like the same show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: At the same age of even nine Ninja Turtles are far more mutated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I genuinely think that's why it worked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think because that's only, that is the only distinction that my parents cared about, which was, do they look like people or do they look like turtles?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's as far as they went.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But until I got to X-Men, I've already gotten the story from turtles, and then I was just getting to extend it outwards this way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you're right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, the distinction is chalkingly limited, but it really did come down to just an aesthetic distinction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My character is like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's going to teach my son to punch somebody.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a turtle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to teach my son something about turtles on on a man I'm not saying it was good logic And in this day once or heart my mom like loves comics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She reads comic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She reads all our stuff and shoot will likely be listening to this She heard me tell this story a lot over the course of the year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We were in NYX and giant size and eventually she did call me and was like That was a silly rule huh
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[SPEAKER_02]: Shouldn't have done that already.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, now we all know this day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's really sweet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The fact that she's looking back at me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't get what the time she just didn't want me to grow up to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She didn't want me to be getting in fights on the playground.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, teenagers and your turtles didn't stop the problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that was the problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just think it is wild though that they're both just, they are both about the kids of an old professor fighting his boyfriend who's obsessed with metal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't, I never thought about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's also that thing about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles where it didn't dare double accidentally cause them as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they weren't basically at their level, like riff, every time in the first book is all referential to their level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Except for splinter and splinter and treachery, now are canonically just all universe and Xavier and maybe for sure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that is so sweet, because often when people say that, it's because of the fundamentalist Christian thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Usually when people lie, I wasn't allowed to watch X-Men.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was like because it was witchery or wizardry.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like your parents been like, so they kill a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just don't want my son learning to punch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like she saw that moment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a bit at the beginning of what episode two of the season when Wolverine gets on top of the first at one one War and gets on top of a sentence You can't see me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing the Wolverine stabbing thing and I think she saw so shit like that I was like, I don't want him stabbing people with knives.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like all right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not what's gonna happen here, but I appreciate the thought
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the young kid, I had to watch a lot of little stuff for adults, because so much of gets content, especially when I was young was action figure smashing up against each other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were selling those numbers, they were selling this GI Joe, they were selling us X-Men, like all that was what was happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I had to watch a lot of PBS and documentaries and shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now you know why I'm me, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's just that makes a Jackson in turns out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's always good to have somebody looking out for your prefrontal cortex.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I'm resistant towards that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had that in reverse where my mother didn't want me to watch anime because she thought they were too sexual.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But she didn't care if I watched people blow things up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She didn't buy it if I watched Pokemon, which is pets fighting each other.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I think there are bigger problems here to address.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I think that is valid.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, do you?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's bear in mind that our parents in that generation has a lot of problems, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: But in some ways, they were mentally well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And if you think somebody who's mentally sound and you play their esteem minutes of one piece, they're gonna go, the people who made this are not well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The end is, is very unwell.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what it's for, I just want to talk to this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: To get us back on track on the X-Men that is, what was your experience watching the first season then?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I loved it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think what was really exciting for me was that it was also during that period that I was steeped deep in X-Men lore while doing both in YX and Giant size and operating across the from the Ashes line because we had a whole discord of all the writers and we were all communicating during that, especially during the early days of that series.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we were all very plugged into X-Men.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a constant amount of research that was happening on my side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a big research nerd.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's part of the way that Colin I worked is whenever we started a new Marvel or DC project that has a ton of history.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going back and I read the whole publishing history.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I read as much as I humanly can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And X-Men's impossible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, good luck, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to take you a lifetime, but I went back and I, but I read an enormous amount of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of it was just living in my head in a chaotic jumble of moments and ideas and thoughts that I was able to pull from as I needed to as we were going through the series.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But watching X-Men 97 was like watching somebody else take that string out of my ear and carefully order it into a narrative that was
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, okay, this isn't the books, but it's taking a lot of great moments from across that series and really align them beautifully.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love the characterization, initially I was annoyed by it, but I ended up being really into the characterization of Jubilee and Sunspots relationship and how Bobby has always been a character.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've really loved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a last minute cut from NYX.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was like a big part of the book up until almost the last minute, because I was trying to shoot him in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that character.
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[SPEAKER_02]: he had such a great arc over the course of that first series that I thought was also just great for making Jubilee, reflecting Jubilee's X-Men animated series experience and because now I've gotten to revisit some of that and show what she's learned, show how she can bring him into mutant
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-oh, still, I think is the reason for the season, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they once they did that, it was like, your show now is a real reason to exist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you took the step that X-Men, I'm trying to think if they've ever taken that step, in adaptation, like film or television ever before, of being like, ultimately we're going to really talk about homeland, but we're going to show the destruction of it and we're going to do explain how that bigotry becomes active violence, how bigotry becomes war, how supposedly like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Terrifying micro nations are actually just like swarming targets for western western fear like all these things that Xmen to me is like one of the only marvel poems that I really think about that They were adapting it writ large and killing characters while they were at it taking gambit off table Who was their fan favorite like all these things over and over again that showed did that I just thought were brave and daring and cool interesting and I was really impressed very Impressive that Xmen 97 season one yeah
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do agree in that one thing that really stuck with me, that last season is like how bold it was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't like it personally all the time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have a lot of issues with some of the choice, but I think that is because like you, I'm also, I'm a lower-hoer and I love like all the minutiae.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's that little toxic fan aspect to be when it goes slightly left when I'm just like, no, that's wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bring it back to the way as I know it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was peak it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I did end up appreciating the voltage because ultimately, especially with an adaptation when something does something that's significantly different, but still works with the storylines, I appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I also agree with you in the fact that I think commit as a kind of a demaret, but also a plus.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is one of the few shows that opened up those kinds of conversations.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It put the topic on screen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My demerit is that I wish they discussed those aspects more on the show itself, like that was part of the plot line.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, I do think it's significant the fact that that is also a rarity when we have even approaching the topic on screen and depicting it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's complicated for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but what I did come out of that first season is really enjoying it, like enjoying the experience of it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't have a co-current thought about that just yet, but I remember watching it and feeling like it was the best it could ever get.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It has to scratch the itch of nostalgia heads who want everything exactly as they read it in the comments.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It has to give people love and come back to this in 25 years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: An easy enough story that they can understand and condense five years worth of content into something that's possible in 10 episodes or 12 episodes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so my biggest, I thought it did a really fucking difficult job really well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't, if you weren't, hey, we want you to make a fucking nostalgia show about Xmen 97.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, you fell into our trap.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You've never seen somebody run that fast.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's no fucking way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's incredible, but sometimes it felt abridged.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, do you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's one of the fucking, that's one of the double-edged swords of it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You want to give everyone a bit that they can go, I remember that, but doing that means you can have a dive in anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, what you're describing is exactly my experience watching especially episode three and four of this season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where, and again, I'm getting ahead of it, but like, partially that's because I am the author of some of that source material, that Kang the Conqueror stuff, that Kang Apocalypse plot is a thin I wrote.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I spent time on that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I went back and read everything that had been done with those characters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I built a thing out of that I like that even in and out itself was an a bridge iteration in the middle of my king story, because I only had five issues to do what I needed to do there, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But every time I see Rama Tut and Apocalypse on screen, my brain is great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me sit in this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is an incredible dynamic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is like one of my favorite dynamics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is weird reflection of colonialism that's coming in on ancient Egypt that top of that you have apocalypse who's going to be a representation of all the things that that stepped on regardless of Ramadan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a deep amount of like political and social pilloring that just sits underneath those characters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I don't think they I don't think they met.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's the part where I, the fan in me, which is really just the creator in me, goes, oh, the fun part, that's the thing I want to see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the dynamic that I'm looking to see explored.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the show, unless it's going to spend a season on that, it doesn't have time for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's an excellent show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Being is here as a footnote.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry about that, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think you're always going to get that with the things that you're a fan, especially with something with X-Men, because there's so much of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What are you gonna do gonna help you if you're a big war fam?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got three seconds for that guy before they shot him against a pulmetry I'm not done.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He had it coming to be back
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[SPEAKER_04]: I bet you do the lot of done the same.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Devon, she's just on him, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Allegedly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Allegedly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can see that I'm not trying to get it wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not responding to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the answer is like, is she Betsy?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is she Kwanan?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The answer is yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you like it, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so should we talk about episode one?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jackson, could you please give us your recap that for episode one of season two?
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so we begin with my two-brain buddy's bishop and forge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to figure out a way to get the X-Men back to other nine news.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do a little incidentally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Every single episode of the show has to have somebody say, back to the 90s.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just do no note.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it follows them as Bishop's going to go way, way back in time, 40 people will be forward to probably 3,000 years in either direct or 5,000 years in either direction to get the expert who are now cast across time after the events of Astrid M in last season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely one is going to take us into the future to find Mother Scotty and
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[SPEAKER_02]: the sort of organization of mutant refugees we're all working together to try to raise Nathan in what is essentially a version of the Age of Apocalypse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Forge arrives there, gets reunited with Storm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They immediately make out, which made me very happy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that they just didn't, there was no time for anything else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, it's like, oh, you're here?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Excellent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do it, too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do it, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do it, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do it, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 100%.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get to it, but we're going to get to it, but we're going to get to it, but yeah, so they arrived to find that Jean and Scott are about to make a giant mess of the timeline because they can't deal with their own displaced guilt for being parents.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're all sorts of different families kicked in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They are going to kidnapped this kid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They are going to raise him out of the time stream.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Day on the time stream that doesn't let parent be with their child.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, they figure out that the apocalypse was operating all of this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is also looking for Nathan and that only way to deal with this is to hice his apocalypse train in the middle of all of this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're gonna stop the apocalypse's train.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to get Nathan to the heart of ship where he's gonna get united with his techno arm and he's gonna understand his virus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh no, that's what it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They get kidnapped.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My brain is something bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Take their risk, that puts them in the place of the forehorsesman, forehorsesman, get Nathan and Scott and Jean deep into ship.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now they're stuck there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jean and Scott get to reveal who they are to Nathan, get to finally pass along the parental lessons that they've always wanted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: facing down apocalypse and it's for horsemen, they finally managed to make cable into cable, start him off on his journey in the process.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have to go back, so they have to finally let go of their connection to their son and let him grow up into the big gunny beefy boy that we all know he's going to be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that missed all the Rachel storm stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was that's the
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think, do we know, as Rachel showed up on Edtman, the animated series prior to this?
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[SPEAKER_03]: She did in a cameo at the end of the final season at some point, but she never actually had a character.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And she was briefly, I think, in a cameo, also last season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the two, I was going to say, you missed two parts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One is a storm, commands, a solar frame to get this hell calisness, or whatever it is to move.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's important.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The still thing she does and these three episodes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So let's note it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, well, you know, the plan of real planet size x-men ship, which made me very happy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was the recap.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You can't make a reaction between you as a Taipei person and me as a Taipei person.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's time for conversation.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're very chill out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, yeah, what else happened?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, we'll get all of them in the future.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll have them in the next video.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of things exactly what happened.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So how did we feel about this episode?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What do we think?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ashley.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was a big fan.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was a big fan.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think they hit it really hard out of the gate.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that was it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was a great hook of a first episode.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of interesting things happened.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Firstly, I thought you could get it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was trying to find a better way to say that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But there really isn't.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe I just have to manage my truth.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That man, if you break time to come get me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Listen, what the cut is going up from.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You could feel store was moved by that one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Damn it!
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[SPEAKER_04]: Can you hear me?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm gonna take off these very graying rough future on the way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I know they all over day wearing it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the wear and trousers and all this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Except for Scott.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Scott's outfit is giving like hot coat locker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what's going on with that like bomb color thing and with the Phoenix B.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not dressed like this all the time I would not mind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a little cursary.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I see you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was actually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So how do you feel about this episode of Jackson?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you like it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you enjoy it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really think they hit it right out of the gate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a big fan of an age of apocalypse in general.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like whenever you can give me an age of apocalypse, I'd be a happy camper.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I always think it lets X-Men go as hard as possible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: which is generally where, especially flagship X-Men really swords for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the minute they've hard cut to the corpse field and then panned up his tower and there's all the arm is coming out or power of people like you get up to the top floor and it's just a confidence is everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to come on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's that's exactly the kind of the incredibly wild X men stuff that I always want to say that they'd be very happy and then I love I love Scott and Jean and they big fan of Scott Jean and that whole dynamic I love Scott and Jean trying to be so chill about it and then Nathan being like I can hear you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: a really great way to short-circuit all of the all the tension of it and get right into the meat of it because they only had a half an hour just get in and do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought given what they were dealing with there all of that between the course of personal relationships, they got a big giant scope and then they get that one line and I don't know if this is from the books and I never saw it but when a mother is gone he looks at Scott and says you're a season as summer his is spring and to grab her you'll be able to avoid winter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like mad that I hadn't thought of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good
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[SPEAKER_04]: Good luck.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was a deep line.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was a good line.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And she showed a lot of restraint because those are also my parents.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's why she was upside down on fire.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Rachel at this point knows that Jean don't like her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So she doesn't really care that much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The only one of that might somewhat care is Scott and she was nice to him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Jean, she's not gonna interact with that woman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's fine, she doesn't want me in her life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't what her in my life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I respect that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People don't ask questions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We know the powers of her territory.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if I turn up and you're upside down on fire, I might go,
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[SPEAKER_03]: To me, it was when she took the mask off and like storm could see her hurt her daddy have the same hard face You couldn't you wouldn't say nothing you didn't want to say anything But that is very storm in this show so far where she's just none of my business.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is none of my business You also all of it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, but the same has nothing to do with me good luck to you, Maam In four seven minutes and seven minutes only on the feature artists today.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna put on this hideous comment exactly one time
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[SPEAKER_03]: I put my hair over the Ariana Pony, we're doing protective silos, and we're not going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to extend my self.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There we go, there we go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so sorry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so sorry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So figure out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You want me to talk to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pick one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But my man is here now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready to go to my tent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to know what she was thinking when he goes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fort goes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How are we going to make this work?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she looks in his way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What work?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm trying that at that moment, I'm thinking to myself, either she is like, you think you're my boyfriend, but you're not, but that's all what she's thinking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's full of wanting to him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like, I don't feel like she's thinking is, I don't see a problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I see no issue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why are you concerned?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're just gonna pass, we made out, we good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why are you worried?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's sitting there being like, but you're a woman of faith.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's got some storm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I have faith in having a time machine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's gonna happen?
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[SPEAKER_03]: They'll be fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's real quick.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And very in mind, Storm is I have been here for six months eating rat biscuits They are circling a lot of white boy like he's Jesus I am sat here watching this happen I'm throwing up, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Smelling freshman, like body wash It's getting glistening You just broke time to come see me And he was like, what are we going to do?
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[SPEAKER_04]: She was like, yeah Yeah, what are we going to do?
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[SPEAKER_04]: What are we going to do?
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know what we're doing?
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[SPEAKER_04]: My man, that's what I'm doing Okay, my man, my man, my baby Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel Daniel
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[SPEAKER_04]: Start.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, all the things that Jackson you identified earlier, I think is probably why I disagree with you too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is my least favorite episode of the Bouch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think it's because I don't go up really as much for age-of-foot apocalypse to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What it goes to this dark, desolate future?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just like, where's the fashion?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Where?
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[SPEAKER_03]: See fashion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see style.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I get to get a bit robotic mechanical man for these boy comics Which is fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like him Sometimes it's a bit of boy comics for me, but I did find myself throughout the journey of these episodes becoming more and more interested Yeah, but it's still ranks to me as one of the weakest ones.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you like age of a apocalypse actually actually?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't ask those then why is this working for you?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, just because it was a it was boy Cuz it was boy comics
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was just like feet, basically feet, it was feet, you want to see something cool?
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[SPEAKER_04]: For example, it's time-sheen, that's your thing, two top six robots, who's there?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, three, that's how people in the head, wow, look, a sunflower, spaceship, up, fly, and what is in your mouth?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That is the thing about the show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've not said this already, but we had the pleasure of having a few of the storyboard artists last season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know Marvin Britt is on the boards on this one again, and they are really slaying it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The show will always rely on it for giving us a stunning action sequence or giving us a moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would never give that a demarrow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's always A plus.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So let's just get that out of the way right now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I heard one was where Cyclops did the little like strafing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they knew they ate that on season one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: mobility with the face even I was like that's a good thing and he was doing his little skate It was good for like action bits plot strong together cool action sequences a little bit But I thought that's exactly what you need for an episode one hook them in the big proponent for making sure to keep like big stupid silly stuff in Marvel stories I think that's part of what makes the work a great example of this is the apocalypse is face on the train like the train has an apocalypse face
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's openly silly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's actively, deeply silly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At some points, Apocalypse either had to say, all the trains must look like me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No architect had to be super fucking afraid of getting approval.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The tournament would be like, hey, so you got to make all the trains look like the boss.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, he's not going to like the dragon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that for all of the goofy big, as you say, the feats, I'm also in the feats.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they do really lean in on that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the reason this episode works for me and again, this is I think I talked about this a lot probably last time Ash and I talked as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the way my brain works and the way that story really works for me is that I can watch a lot of big goofy crazy fun stuff and I have a blast with it But only if you anchored in something very real and something very honest and very emotional.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've never been a big fan personally of cable or anything to do with cable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like cable very much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not a perfect nurse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: very well for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, then this show managed to take young, silly, little, young cable who just wants to play baseball and doesn't understand how sick it is going to grow up and fight apocalypse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that they managed to take that and attach it to a pretty good moment
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[SPEAKER_02]: about maybe we're just gonna fuck up all of history so that we don't need to feel guilty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually found they're reckoning with that pretty strong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like every time the episode had to go back to just those three in a room, talking about feelings.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It could feel as emotionally honest as X-Men 97 is ever gonna.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And would feel really like down to earth so that you could go between something very earnest and emotional.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm always gonna be proud of my son and this train looks like apocalypse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as a result, it all feels emotionally solid and up-a-piece.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what made it work for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like for all of the big movie stuff, there actually is like a really nice emotional story about cable going on, strong between this episode and the next one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like what I did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I missed it once I got to episode three and four, which was a surprise to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I miss Nathan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you got me to care about this big brick of a guy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay, so I loved what you said there because I also cannot stand cable.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I got my faith.
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[SPEAKER_04]: cable is a recession indicator.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, say more, when shit goes bad at model, cable starts being everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the books aren't selling when they don't know what to do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: When they chips out, the checks aren't coming in, people start having to eat meal meals, suddenly he's on the internal.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he got that big ugly ugly tattoo on his face in the front.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, if somebody says, strife, I'm out, that I will tell you my predictions at the end of this episode for what I think is going on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just leading all to, strife is a creative
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's overruled, but you know what, on the cable front, I do think I do hope that they do bring kid cable, I do like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Kid cable in the comics, in the current era, every panel with kid cable is so much more interesting than cable.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think cable takes all the worst parts of Wolverine without any of the interesting bits.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just a year old, but I think for whatever it's worth that little fade between young cable and old cable at the very end of episode two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To me, that's the most interesting that character's ever been because there's a scared little sad kid in here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's my kind of shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm always into, that was my kind of conqueror, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you, can I show you a big bad scary guy?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then can I show you that he's actually scared a little kid inside?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, gang, actually out of reading of 97.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What would you give this episode one?
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[SPEAKER_03]: 85.
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[SPEAKER_03]: 85.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tell me briefly why.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Good action bits.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Great start to a season.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think this is when being fast-paced worked for it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That pace kept me really involved, invested, and I ended it one into watch the next ones, which is perfect.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: 85.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you're 89.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jackson, can you please give me your reading out of a scale of 97?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I'm gonna sound like a broken record now, but I literally had 85 in the pocket.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's telling me, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was ready to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they have really well balanced, a little state, big global goofy apocalypse stakes to create a story that I can actually follow and which told me something about a character that I normally don't very much that made me like that character.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the only place where I wish they could have spent more time with their characters and a little bit less time with all the big goofy stuff, which is the reason this doesn't crack a 90 for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: a show to operate quieter than a show wants to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's just how we work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's fair.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think on my end, and I already said I'm the outlier amongst you all, but I will give it $0.75.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm really glad that this came with two other episodes behind it, but I think it just didn't grab me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just didn't grab me completely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had to wait for the second episode, which I'm going to do for us now to moving to episode two, because we have just spent 40 minutes talking about episode one, and not talking about any of the other episodes at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, Johnson, give us a very quick recap.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Extractors here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exforces here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing post X-Men X-Men cable recruits Jubilee and Sunspot into X-Force, which is one of the weirdest recruitment ideas I've ever seen in my life They go up against a pretty pitch perfect version of X-Factor except that X-Factor isn't playing the con.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just seem to be actual government studios So it's a little bit closer to the Mark Russell X-Factor
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[SPEAKER_02]: than it is to the actual OG original, hey, I'm actually playing a shell game with the government X-Factor, unless that's a reveal they're waiting to play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the two of them go up against each other over whether or not it's cool to kill apocalypse's horsemen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think we can all safely say it's okay to kill apocalypse's horsemen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And because I love a hero for not hearing anybody else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At the end of the episode, Jubilee learns the benefits of being a radical.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Ain't the rich!
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[SPEAKER_02]: throw in middle fingers up an authority and effectively double flips the bird on them while jumping off an airplane or jumping off a building very happy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we get a little look at how much poor Nathan Summers is still haunted by the events of this past.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will say, Jackson, U.S., the most important part of the episode where we suddenly set in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In the middle of the episode, everything stops and Jubilee has a regularization.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, diamonds in this, oh yes, mine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It must mean one thing, there's a beautiful goddess I was right into.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's
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[SPEAKER_03]: beautiful woman that she's evil, but I like her something about her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like she has a big future amongst us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we flash back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just trying to piss off Ashley for the whiteies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I could not believe that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the easiest possible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like I saw diamonds.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, it's amazing, it's so stupid and then for some reason they go to G.A.Y.
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[SPEAKER_03]: in London and Emma Frost is there She leads them to try and figure out what the thing that was in this horseman's mind before they kill to him is and that is how Jubilee gets captured because Emma Frost sells her out to X-factor for Amnesty because she's nose a bad bitch cannot be a bad bitch if she's alone if you want the future to be secured You gotta take care of yourself first.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now look at that
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the recap, let's see the thing about Emma Frost and this is where my time in the ex office is showing, but like it's for the children, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like I really have a hard time with I'm going to sell out this kid to the government.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: this kid into a cage with a bunch of other kids and I'm going to be cool with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope that they are leading to a point in which Emma can look at that and find her way to the other side of that because to me that's the redeeming factor of Emma for us without them redeeming factor, she is nothing but a white queen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to play that character as Emma for us, if you want to play her as the sort of like border hero villain anti hero that I think
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[SPEAKER_02]: has to have that carnivore self that is uncompromising about the safety and security of mutant children.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To me, that's where I get on board with that character.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I did find it disappointing that this version of her had not yet learned that lesson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm hopeful that she will.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How do you feel about that actually before I internet?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's getting up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's how she's protesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's how pissed off he is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He said enough is enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not my Emma and I agree with you A new wifey has entered the villa.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How do you feel about the I'm a fraud sergeant who's around the topic?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because this was a big discourse online.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She feels like a plot point more than a character's name.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They needed to be a way that Jubilee ended up in the ex-factor heavy car room.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, who might do this?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Who's in this fear?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Who might do this?
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is what I mean by got a bridge thing because all of them more natural people that might do something like that
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, but do they have a cost of fan favorite characters that they want to make sure get screen time?
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it feels like some people are going to be shapes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're not usually just so demo frost can get a couple of moments.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I can see that they just, you know, that bit which it crosses our legs and goes diamond, then the things are going to be wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I was like, is that what you did it for?
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I totally understand people's position on it, but there's also a lot of this is patchwork.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's making stuff fit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so some people are going to have to bend into shapes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They won't naturally to make some of that stuff connect.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think she was one of the categories about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree with both of you with a white queen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like Jackson you were saying herself doesn't really compel me that much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I need that extra layering.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do also agree with both of you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's not really a character right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's the mean.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She pops up because people like her and she's identifiable and she'll be the bitchy drag queen that's in the room and that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it is a simplification of Emma that I find just it's just not as interesting is what you could do with this character.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like you said Jackson if that maintain that core of the fact that she is for the children and that's always there and that always has been there that I think that would be a lot more interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At the same time I do want to keep in hand the idea that she
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[SPEAKER_03]: She started out as a villain.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we can see her as a villain.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This could be her cocaine years, where she's just doing whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's burning up horses.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the only way I'll be fine with that is if we see a bit of a arc for her this season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's a great, great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a great, a
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[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe that's just my love for Grand Morrison's run, runs pretty deep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was in large part of my re-introduction of the X-Men, and so I always look at that as I'm that weird guy took me a long time to be comfortable with not cat-based cat-based was my pizza and then I learned like he was supposed to look different and I had to come around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's straight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was also shocked to discover that Beast was straight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So for me, there's a really interesting encounter with Emma, which is that I really came in on her as a hero.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when I...
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[SPEAKER_02]: go backwards and look at her as this much like more far-ach character.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd have to assume that somewhere deep in there is still that person, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I can tell lessen this still somewhere in there and I wish that we just be able to indicate that a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But again, I hope they get there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think knowing how smart the show can be sometimes about stepping out its characters, maybe this is a setup for an ultimate payoff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited to see if they can match it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will say though that the thing that took me out of this episode wasn't even I'm a frost.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was right up the start when I saw Quintin choir running around with the generation X kids.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was just like, wait a minute.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What is happening?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Why are you here?
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[SPEAKER_03]: They had to get him in.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know when they went through, you know when they went through the prison.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And dust is there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Sync is there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A nose there?
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[SPEAKER_04]: That was just cameo.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That was just also every single
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[SPEAKER_04]: There goes your credit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was like down, but I The worst is that I get the whole cameo thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is a type thing about doing like a 97 show when we paned through that prison There were so many people that I was like thinking about them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not gonna be part of the show They learn and then we have to go back and listen to beast who like walks like I'm least keying and it is a No, it is I'm used to always next a nightcrawler who just is doing exactly what he's doing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm better.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like why don't you
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[SPEAKER_03]: You come to work in the same dress every day and he's eating you up, but let's To get into X for us, though.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How did you guys feel about seeing X for us depicted on screen?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna say something say a X force
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[SPEAKER_04]: x4 x4's boss me a little bit she's going on she's singing okay say what fine it's fucking boring the only X-Men team has not been boring was the one that had wallpuff on it oh wow we have the cape the Clayton crane years yes no brism x4 steps into a room everybody explodes in visceral years yeah i got it
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I was like, oh, wow.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, you really, you're really doing the stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No one else wants to do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I think X4s can only exist in a way that feels meaningful in a non-children's cartoon.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Then apparently not a book that I think or a team that I think can exist meaningfully in a medium like this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, do you know, I mean, because they just feel like another team that does what all the other teams are doing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But we saw them kill this episode, which is something that we've not really seen very often amongst the X-Men, or at least that's part of the narrative of the Xavier as dream.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's the distinction, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that's just how it ends?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The actual operation, the way that they conduct the operation to get more is a very much different from the way that the X-Men would conduct a similar operation, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It just, I felt like if that's your black ops team, I don't know if you can do that in a cartoon that has like a PG-13 rating because then the two teams don't really feel meaningfully different and so for me, I went into it when they said X-Worse, I just felt like it was like Lebanon Herbert X-Worse.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think about last season where that was that moment where we saw Rogue leave and join Magnetos accolades.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember finding that really excited the idea, especially because that happened after she killed that man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then there was a whole narrative going on around it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to claim just yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see where it goes before I decide that because in the world of this show, I like the existence of three different polarities.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry for the pun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The X factors there as the mutant cops.
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[SPEAKER_03]: that are government sponsored, and then we have these X men who are trying to figure out a middle path, and then like you're saying, actually, they might not end up being able to do this, but I like the idea of there's more quote-unquote an extremist group.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If they all exist in opposition to each other, when all the X men are back in this world, I would find that interesting, but I think part of the thing that we're saying, and we have said before, that there's this truncation that's happening, that I don't know how much space that's going to actually get to play out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's nothing is a failing of the writing or the show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a limitation of the medium and
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think you can do X4's justice in this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, to me, even apocalypse didn't get to where X4's was.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The person who you're saying is the crazy evil irrelimable villain that can never be brought back has done exactly the same thing that silo did at this point has done exactly the same thing that rogue did.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it just, it felt like it was different narratives for very similar actions.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But because there's only so far you can go in a show like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's actually a really good example of I think it wouldn't fit to go too hard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you went after like the remainder of Clayton Crane 5 for this character, which I agree with you, that's actually the most extra things that were worked for me as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was reading that when it popped in it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In retrospect, it's very dark and very grim book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At least it feels fundamentally distinct from the rest of the experience.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The thing that I thought really puts the truth to that inability to square that circle within the medium in that hilarious table scene where they're having a normal dinner at the arcade and cable is the size of
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that was really funny, actually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, thank you for shouting that out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was really funny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I watched it with Colin and he legit fell out of his chair.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But no, for me, it was that in that scene, he says we're going to be different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to do things differently.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no room for heroics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not what we are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they cut to the credit sequence and some spot is in a domino mask.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, no one ever comments on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At no point does anybody go, Bobby, you got the wrong idea here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't super, this is a black ops team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like everybody just dies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's Bobby's costume.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wears, he looks like a superhero.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He might as well be wearing a Superman cape.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the weird distinction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like they're playing ex-factor, but they're playing it still for the childhood fantasy of being a rebel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not for the, I think, more ex-factory fantasy of going to go up against the Punisher fantasy, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure fantasy here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And ultimately again, I like that it leads to a rebelish kind of antifa punch the cops and break up 80 framework for an X-Men team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I always think the X-Men are best in that vein, but X-Factor is not going to do it with, and I'm not necessarily sure that like siloca or arcane,
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[SPEAKER_04]: 100% and it's very prescient right now that you've got three the claim to be doing something revolutionary and disruptive and not and I think if I was writing it I would have had somebody other than silo make the killing blow because I also think it was a bit of a cop out to have the only assassin on the team do the killing and it might have felt qualitatively different to me if other people were doing that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, so the killer's killed, it's not us, it's not the team, it's sorry, it will come out like the killer little Thanks actually, sorry to interrupt, it wasn't quannin, it was angel angel, well, I thought you called him a good mind Yeah, yeah, she read it like angel killed him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How does that alter your argument though?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It raised everything I said for the last two minutes, thanks
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it all shows it that differently actually what you were saying because angel is like apocalypse is tool so it extends it to apocalypse instead of extend to get to silo and he's just as much as in assassin he's just now you can blame it on apocalypse now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: the team to do it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was less surprising.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I felt like it's all frozen all the way there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then the big thing that was meant to be like, this is a different team happened from the quiet expected people and it didn't, yeah, I would a little bit more kick, I think, even if not more gratuitous, just more surprising in who is doing this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have two last questions to ask you to about this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What did you feel about X factor?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We talked about X force.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How about X factor?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was going to be my big jump in on this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm a really big fan of early X factor as a press.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've always thought that was true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: great premise, and it's such an interesting way of approaching the X-Men, which is to say we're going to engage with respectability politics, and then we're going to trick you into creating an underground railroad for mutants.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think like that, to me, it plays so many of the X-Men metaphors, like write it to a level, and forces these characters to do something that feels fundamentally unique.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, this is a different team that original X-Factor is sort of a
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing the budget version of it here, but I was the interesting thing about X-Factor is that double play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And here outside of Lorna, I don't think we really get the argument.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we ever get a proper argument for like, oh, why would any mute do this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why would any mute and after genotia after it and after all the things that they went through, given
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[SPEAKER_02]: The sheer amount of hatred that is going on towards mutants and sheer amount of oppression, why would they get in the position of putting kids in cages?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think they really make that argument.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they get a little bit close with Lorna and ultimately forgive her by Lorna just almost immediately turning tone code on them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish we got a good argument for it, out of habit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or a good argument for it, not mad rocks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or a good argument for Anna, whoever's gonna tell us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what Val Cooper's doing it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Last season she was Magneto is right and all of a sudden, you're leading this team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm wondering whether or not that's a cage, like whether or not they are doing the shell game and they're just holding it and then maybe I'll be I'll be I words a little bit later.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I never much loved when next factor just plays the government game because I don't have a really hard time imagining how the people go to sleep at night.
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[SPEAKER_04]: to just add another thought to that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's fact it is made up of the fucking dicks and just how about you just call me Alex.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Fucking dickhead.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Strong guy, fabled bigger.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Not thinking things through.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A million bigger.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wolf Spain fucking a students.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and deeply just trauma repressed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know what, I can't blame you for your trauma.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can't blame you for what happened.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's what makes you a dick.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I get you, I get you, I get you a dick.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Sleep with your students.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so they're all quiet and then what's it multiple Maddrax What's this fucking name?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Maddrax 12.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know just look at dick See I always thought and maybe it's just because I love the Peter David X-Factor era But like I really love Maddrax I like this sort of messy I'm trying to be a good guy, but no matter how many versions of myself I make I'm never as impressive or interesting as I want to be
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like that as an interesting character.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's something really cool about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you wanted to tell me why any of these guys would side with the government, I'd be down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just think they don't make the argument.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just literally have them drop in, say, or definitely the good guys, which is what you know you're not, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wish it was more of a freedom force thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's kind of suicide squad it a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's have a reason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did want to note the fact that I noticed that none of you had a thing to say about Lorna and good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Y'all say quiet about my girl.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, she's sat there, she looks gorgeous, her hair was curling, she has a movement, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does look great, she does
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then the final thing I wanted to ask you to about is we said nothing about Jubilee so far, really.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this doesn't have a fuck, have it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, fuck, have it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's like standard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We always knew that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But yes, you've said nothing to me so far about Jubilee, so I'd like to give you the space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Talk to me about this moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is Jubilee's, I think, break out moment, really.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the whole series so far.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What did we think?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who wants to start us off?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Look, when she put those headphones in, I said it's about to get real, as a US came into this corridor, I think it was going to be sweet, and shit sweet, ain't shit sweet This is the same girl who brushed Bastion's teeth.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Are you even saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think y'all must not know about me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Y'all must not know about me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What you've heard, I've changed, okay?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've changed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody in this corridor makes $4 an hour and I'm about to show you, it's not worth it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Who the fuck won't beef?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Who the fuck won't beef?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maintain.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Minimum wave is not worth this auspicious being your about to get.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was so happy to see her not just like shine action style, but shine like ideologically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think X-Men is so much of the time about the slow process of working.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do you can be taught rat civilization?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it doesn't actually stick until you experience it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really felt like her experiencing it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This felt like the first time that she was really in a position of having to look around or and be like, I'm another, I'm just another kid in a cage, put your other mutants, no one year deserves my respect, no one year deserves my grace.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will run rough shot of all of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what I think is great about that is that what is Jubilee, but teenage fantasy walking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's burnt down spray paint, kick flip off of it for the 90s version of being a teenager.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm gonna put in these headphones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna listen to some riot girl and I'm gonna smash all of you and then Give that point at the end where they're like so you can have their jump off building to nothingness or you can come back to jail and she's Fuck you, I drove that with your right
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought she was going to grab one of the parachutes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Also, here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We saw her whole training experience and sequence in that intro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The X-Fourthas taught her that in three months.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He went into the video game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a video game when I told her how to do the rassing on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so sick.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She was like, listen, you bitch.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's will never be able to compete with what you don't pay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't pay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just think we need to check the Xavier Institute accreditation, because what are you teaching this girl?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who's teaching in the staff?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What are we doing with her?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Stormhead classes, but then Ford showed up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Daniel, all her classes canceled.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're all done.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Gave her that was in those inline role of ladies and she started disrespecting everybody other words.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If I was staying there, I've just on an eight hour shift and then you go past me a role of ladies.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Be taking the piss.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Here's what I want to know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I want to know if the stepper cookers thought that was cool or lame.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really, they're like, you did free us and you did really cool thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But on the other side, you did it on roller blades while dressing like a clown.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's trying too hard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She tried too hard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like secretly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like Sophie knows that it's really cool and wants to be like everybody else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this was dope.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But every other Kuku is like, tri-hard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They said that like that's so ghost.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then you just know Monet is just there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She'll like, sign and tell the party.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But like, I'm glad she jumped actually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad she did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad she did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't tell a path like you believe for some reason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what's going on in there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't want to find out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can YouTube please give me your ratings for this episode out of the scale of 97.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let us start this time with Jackson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I really enjoy Jubilee in this episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really do not love the characterization of either X-Factor X4, so I think I'm like a snippet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A snippet is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Seven.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Seven out of 97.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And a T. Seven.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 70.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ashillane, give me rating, quickly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Come on, 70.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jackson, you better text call in today and be like, just say, you know, there's another hive mind happening right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I actually give me why you are giving this episode of 7 days.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Tell me why I'm giving this episode of 7-E because I think it was the weakest one for me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This was the episode that I lost focus in and had to try to watch two times.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I went all the way through.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This one, I got up and did something else and lost where I wasn't here and had to restart a few times.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I fully disagree with you too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm giving this one and 87.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did give it probably an extra 20 points just because Emma's there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna have to do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just gonna have to happen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I did like the action in this episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it grabbed me a lot more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we were like the sidewalk sequences.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought we were like really pretty to look out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I think it like carried a lot more weight for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But let us move on now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Last episode,
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[SPEAKER_04]: When we fell in love, did you do remember the time?
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[SPEAKER_04]: You had hair, you had muscles, tits out, we've long saw the heart.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll be back in the day, but...
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[SPEAKER_03]: He said, hair long, skinny, waist, thick, size, big blucer lips.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of these are big blueprints.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just curse is visible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mutant them is just the biggest blue lips you ever saw.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So round some, yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, what happened three?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We said that forge went to the distant future and Bishop goes to the distant past, but we don't follow Bishop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, we
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[SPEAKER_02]: back into the distant past and really follow Xavier and Magneto primarily really Magneto as Magnus deals with what it means to try and shape young and so annoying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No is when it become a apocalypse into something other than a apocalypse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Magneto in the aftermath of everything that's gone on with Junocia and Astroidem seems to have come to the conclusion that he's going to be able to do that like a mercy and understanding because as he puts it only only a coward feels brave stepping on him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And moreover, I think there's another line that honestly felt very un-magnosed to me, but I am interested in your perspective, which is that he says that we have to curb our worst impulses if we're ever to save humanity from themselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we need he decides he's going to make sure that they don't allow apocalypse to kill his its laborers This is all made a little bit more complicated by the fact that they're not fighting just any Ferro taking over all of ancient Egypt at this time know they're fighting Romata otherwise known as the Daniel Richards otherwise known as
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're timely, otherwise known, as Kang the Cockerer and Kang is running the show here, he's got his robot troops, he's got his slaves, he's got a whole celestial debt store situation going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he can use whenever he wants.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, they're going to try to really put the screws in on him, but turns out, then Apocalypse's mentor, Ball, played by the inimitable Michael Gorn War forever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is bloodthirsty and just once ends up in order to get to the killing and all of this dragging of Magnetos feet leads to an enormous amount of death and destruction and leads to the very kind of distrust and disorder that will soon birth apocalypse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the end of Episode 1.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure, I can't exactly recall where they draw the issue of the episode line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I watched them together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, when the X-Men are collecting, that's the other thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The X-Men are playing the show game on Apocalypse, which again, maybe more than anybody else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They need it to be doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're very like pretending that they're just helping him out, but actually they're stealing all the robotics to build their time machine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you not get me into these raggedy bowlage?
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're gonna neck bitches.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is your moment, this is your moment, this is your moment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I built a pocket lips brick by brick if I am in the midst of fighting for my freedom in slavery.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you send back four white American men to lecture me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If Magneo looked in the face of Harriet Tubman and said,
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll tear this TV off the wall, do you hear me?
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[SPEAKER_04]: People are disrespecting you disrespecting yourself.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, everybody to respect themselves here in this place today.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because what are you talking about?
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[SPEAKER_04]: So firstly, let me just tell you this stupidity is planned.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And there are people on the internet who are very stupid.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And if you listen, you hold a stupid opinion.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Then this is unfortunately for you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And listen, because how do you go back?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Meet a slave who is fighting for his agency and go, Do you know what we're going to do?
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to trick him into becoming who we want?
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I think we should do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think we should rob this man of his agency.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My bit was the absolute goal of Magneto to tell this man to not kill his slapper.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And for all to sit back, that was insane to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, how would it work?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What is happening?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: From this one, you have Yangtile, feelings, pace, making, pritz Albert.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You've put people's grandmother in the Hoffnelson.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to hear shit from you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wolverine, Wolverine, and Tire Skeleton out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But how is it?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know when you divain a shrimp?
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[SPEAKER_04]: He said, I'm just cleaning it out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's not a fish in this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For the Wolverine poop is, you got to get rid of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I missed something or...
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[SPEAKER_02]: really does feel like they took that character down a path that had not been properly set into the first half take and maybe I need to go back and watch the afternoon episodes again because maybe he really learned a stronger lesson of non-violence than I remember but this really did feel like he's coming in and of all people Magneto is the one who's making the real violence argument and they're like really hard moral argument and it did surprise me they didn't feel very much like in his character so I am wondering if I missed something along the way
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[SPEAKER_02]: for moment one, you just, you sense the trap.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Certainly what you were saying, I felt like somebody needs to do something for the plot to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This really felt like he was doing this because we know that we need to birth apocalyptic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we need to have somebody who's giving him the alternate move.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if it's Xavier of the whole time, it's just going to feel expected.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll be over then.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it'll be unexpected.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And also I think Magneto is like quote-unquote a villain.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if he creates a villain, it feels like that is somewhat more excusable in a way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're like, I feel like that's something they don't wanna put on Xavier's hands too much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The fact that it's coming from Magneto really feels jarring, especially because I could see them coming from Xavier.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just wonder why they just didn't do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Make that choice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause he's always portrayed as just like fatherly figure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like him being stank towards like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, that rings true as Xavier for me, but yeah, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Gosh, what do you think?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, excuse me, slavery, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't,
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[SPEAKER_04]: thing is and you can listen, tell me if, because I've been thinking about this and I could be totally wrong, maybe I'm wrong and I would love you lot, if you think, I'm wrong, pandabrics, let me know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I think it exacerbates message of coexistence, tolerance, taking the blows to the back of your head, works better for me with bigotry.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it seems insufficient in the face of active genocide.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So the time when they blow up the school, Xavier's dream and mission feels a bit shaky because it feels like Martin, rather than principle.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then it feels like you're willing to sacrifice mutant lives to appease human hatred.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But it seems most insufficient when you're dealing with actual literal slavery.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Actual is a real slavery is when, hey, what about their feelings though?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's not be as bad as them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It felt like it's at its thinnest.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just felt like it was a massive contradiction and condemnation of everybody's at core savings.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And at first, I went through through our three arcs of this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I watched it when that's fucking stupid, the lecturing and condescending to a literal free slave.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And this is just entitlement and a stupidness.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But then I was like, oh no, that's the point, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is a causality thing, the fact that they think
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[SPEAKER_04]: The apocalypse is going to become apocalypse is the thing that makes a apocalypse.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're lecturing, they're condescending, constantly the way they lie and manipulate him, the way that they use him to get back to the future.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All of that is meant to be the betrayal that causes him to go, you lot were trying to own me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're trying to own me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to do the only thing that is left that I can choose.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that felt meaningful.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so the story wants us, I think, to understand the apocalypse's conversion.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Or at least that's what I walked away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I agree with you by and large.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What I'm curious about is what ball brings to that equation?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think they spend enough time giving him this additional mentor figure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the whole thing seems to be reinforcing apocalypse's core drive, which is I want my revenge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want my feeling of superiority.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to feel not alone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the only way that I'm going to do that is through my own manner of revenge and violence and eventual justice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't love that all of apocalypse' ideas
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[SPEAKER_02]: that none of this is self-generated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Up until the last moment and then his actual ascension to apocalypse also from another man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a billion year old man named Arishen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's getting that from the Celestial 2.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything that's handed to Apocalypse is handed to him from somebody else's perspective.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we never really get a great idea of what is the thing that's actually driving in Southern Newer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which again, I think maybe that's weird that I really feel like they nailed it with Nathan in the first episode where I'm like, I kind of knew this kid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're just going to end some of Nora kind of felt like even raised towards violence by ball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was tempered against violence by Magneto and Xavier, eventually shows ball's way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so if it is supposed to be a causality loop, if it is supposed to be something that we can really understand, ball feels to me like too much of a, too much of a starting point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Without, I don't know, I think I feel like maybe the story and the causality loop works a little bit better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is right or in me feeling like I'm just not sure what that guy's doing there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: God actually.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I like what you said there and you're, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of what happens to apocalypse is dictated and guided and pushed by other forces.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then to me, it feels like his choice to become apocalypse was the first decision he made for himself.
01:00:03.488 --> 01:00:05.309
[SPEAKER_04]: That was the first agency bit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm doing this.
01:00:06.390 --> 01:00:07.911
[SPEAKER_04]: Nobody's telling, I am doing this.
01:00:08.091 --> 01:00:09.152
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't care what it costs.
01:00:09.252 --> 01:00:12.514
[SPEAKER_04]: And then we hear other lines where he goes, I will always be.
01:00:12.714 --> 01:00:14.475
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's survival, your main thing.
01:00:14.495 --> 01:00:18.578
[SPEAKER_04]: Where you're always trying to survive and then you sort an option to be powerful.
01:00:18.678 --> 01:00:27.889
[SPEAKER_04]: to never be subject to the whims of other people, whether it be a slave or whether it be ball, whether it be magneto, whether it be Xavier, top of the food chain.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Jackson, I think you made a great point where you're like, he seems to be getting his motivations from loads of other people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's the point where he goes, nope, I'm just gonna jump us quickly into a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: already picks up Professor Xavier in episode four and though you want it to shape me into one of your ex-men and I couldn't hear that as separate from you want it to conscript me to your end even now I thought we were community I thought we were friends I thought we were in the same struggle but you didn't you're just another person you wanted to own direct shape and make me like everyone else and I do that for myself now
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[SPEAKER_04]: really good point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a question for both of you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think that within the logic of what we've seen so far, it is arguing that or becoming apocalypse is inevitable?
01:01:09.348 --> 01:01:12.229
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't think it's inevitable at all.
01:01:12.309 --> 01:01:13.950
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a direct result of the experiment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with you based on what we've seen, but I don't think the show believes that.
01:01:17.932 --> 01:01:21.035
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this show is presenting an argument where, oh, he was a bad guy.
01:01:21.095 --> 01:01:24.798
[SPEAKER_03]: When you're talking about the causal loop of it all, that's the idea that this is always going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's what's playing in my mind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When you were speaking about these ideas of like where his motivation is coming from, what I kept going back to is what I said early on in this episode, which is I've always been resistant to ageable apocalypse and apocalypse in general, until really the Crocodile Era, when they added the layer of Genesis and Rocco,
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[SPEAKER_03]: because I feel like that finally gave him a motivation that makes sense for me.
01:01:46.534 --> 01:01:51.896
[SPEAKER_03]: And the reason I resist apocalypse generals because I find I don't understand his argument really as it's presented.
01:01:52.116 --> 01:01:55.378
[SPEAKER_03]: And even in this show, I find it's that same problem that he used to have.
01:01:55.418 --> 01:02:00.560
[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't feel like he's motivated truly by anything aside from destruction because he's a cosmic force or whatever.
01:02:00.700 --> 01:02:01.621
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure, that's fine.
01:02:01.861 --> 01:02:04.682
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think it's as interesting as story as when it ends up developing.
01:02:04.822 --> 01:02:08.185
[SPEAKER_03]: in terms of the question of determinism and fatalism.
01:02:08.485 --> 01:02:19.954
[SPEAKER_03]: I think what it comes down to, whatever the show is attempting to do with those themes, I don't think it's doing it very successfully because what is end up being presented is something that I think is actually like, edging towards because that's a later episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We see that confirmed.
01:02:20.735 --> 01:02:21.996
[SPEAKER_03]: It gets very problematic.
01:02:22.016 --> 01:02:28.982
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, ultimately what we end up seeing in front of us is used to white men telling this black band that he should be nonviolent towards his labor.
01:02:29.002 --> 01:02:29.582
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's fucked up.
01:02:29.682 --> 01:02:31.564
[SPEAKER_03]: And it feels like the shirt wants us to agree with them.
01:02:31.804 --> 01:02:55.361
[SPEAKER_03]: the show is not presenting the counter argument as to why that's fucked up instead they're bringing in bishop as the black face further affirmant the fact that no this is a man who is operating outside of us outside of our interest that plus onto it the line that you mentioned earlier Jackson but that really stuck in my head was that one that as mutants you must resist our darker impulses for humanity's sake.
01:02:55.501 --> 01:02:56.802
[SPEAKER_03]: Why is that my responsibility?
01:02:56.962 --> 01:03:05.165
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that same question like the responsibility you place on the victim for reacting to their victim, to reacting to their experience, for reacting in a way that does make sense.
01:03:05.385 --> 01:03:07.386
[SPEAKER_03]: That is my issue with this episode.
01:03:07.446 --> 01:03:07.886
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you think?
01:03:08.006 --> 01:03:09.266
[SPEAKER_04]: Here I'd like to clarify.
01:03:09.286 --> 01:03:13.848
[SPEAKER_04]: I'd like to draw a really clear distinction between apocalypse and in subano.
01:03:14.028 --> 01:03:16.969
[SPEAKER_04]: And they fall into this causal loop and they hold it on our rightly.
01:03:17.029 --> 01:03:19.550
[SPEAKER_04]: And they go, oh, because he might become apocalypse.
01:03:19.750 --> 01:03:22.592
[SPEAKER_04]: whatever strategy is done to him in the past is justified.
01:03:22.732 --> 01:03:24.633
[SPEAKER_04]: And actually, I think that's the distortion.
01:03:24.753 --> 01:03:29.817
[SPEAKER_04]: So, do I think apocalypse, contemporary apocalypse, is it evil or irreduvable?
01:03:29.997 --> 01:03:42.726
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, do I think in Sabanor, the mutant that they met who has been isolated and enslaved and is taking his first steps towards agency and is very actually open to conversations about how that ideology should be shaped.
01:03:42.766 --> 01:03:47.589
[SPEAKER_04]: There's two times that I remember in this series where he could have been violent and he takes a step back.
01:03:47.789 --> 01:03:52.773
[SPEAKER_04]: And I actually, the failing there is of the X-Men not being able to see the person that was in front of them.
01:03:52.873 --> 01:03:56.655
[SPEAKER_04]: I have a mutant here who is tearing on the edges of two ideologies.
01:03:56.675 --> 01:04:00.458
[SPEAKER_04]: And actually, that was the time to sit and trust in Savanoil.
01:04:00.478 --> 01:04:01.879
[SPEAKER_04]: And go look, we're from the future.
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:03.120
[SPEAKER_04]: We know what the fuck happens.
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.202
[SPEAKER_04]: We can see what's happening here and we are with you.
01:04:06.322 --> 01:04:13.888
[SPEAKER_04]: when we say that we share your aims, we show you that by being honest and open with you and giving you the power to choose.
01:04:14.248 --> 01:04:15.269
[SPEAKER_04]: And they didn't do that.
01:04:15.449 --> 01:04:25.898
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's why for me, I struggle with casting him as a villain because effectively it's like this African man couldn't get over slavery sufficiently for us.
01:04:28.080 --> 01:04:31.043
[SPEAKER_04]: And people justify that by going, yeah, but he's an easy thing later.
01:04:31.083 --> 01:04:32.325
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, yeah, that hasn't happened yet.
01:04:32.365 --> 01:04:34.567
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's talk about no as a news.
01:04:34.808 --> 01:04:42.436
[SPEAKER_02]: The thing that makes the argument really hard for me is that we see openly in the beginning of this episode.
01:04:42.536 --> 01:04:47.622
[SPEAKER_02]: And a pop-lips who is, sorry, and ends up a newer, who is, because I agree with you, the distinction is really key.
01:04:47.802 --> 01:04:49.403
[SPEAKER_02]: That'd be because of the causal loop, right?
01:04:49.423 --> 01:04:51.586
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same distinction I make with Kang a lot.
01:04:51.646 --> 01:04:58.013
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really interesting that they put Kang in this episode because I don't think they do much with him, but ultimately he is so instructive to the same idea.
01:04:58.233 --> 01:05:02.838
[SPEAKER_02]: So if they want to come back on it and use the externals to talk about that or however they're gonna get to that great.
01:05:03.138 --> 01:05:06.800
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope they eventually get to that, because that particular loop is really key.
01:05:07.300 --> 01:05:17.066
[SPEAKER_02]: Kang is only Kang after fighting the opportunity to be Kang for as long as he possibly can until he's forced by the very nature and his reality to take on that mantle.
01:05:17.086 --> 01:05:24.870
[SPEAKER_02]: But until then he is going to fight to the nail to do that, to be Nathaniel, to avoid that thing, to not be that asshole that kidnapped him as a child.
01:05:25.010 --> 01:05:27.710
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to do everything he can to avoid the causal because he's aware of it.
01:05:27.770 --> 01:05:29.111
[SPEAKER_02]: And something that was not aware of the causal loop.
01:05:29.131 --> 01:05:31.611
[SPEAKER_02]: So the only thing we can look at is what is he grasping onto?
01:05:31.911 --> 01:05:32.771
[SPEAKER_02]: What is he want?
01:05:33.091 --> 01:05:37.692
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing that we see over over again from him, what he actually wants to be getting in this episode is he wants community.
01:05:38.132 --> 01:05:45.393
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants into that room and the X-Men go congratulations, nor, and he goes, you honor me Charles, but this victory belongs to all of us.
01:05:45.614 --> 01:05:46.934
[SPEAKER_02]: You're all doing this together.
01:05:47.094 --> 01:05:54.075
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's very interesting to me that the answer that the X-Men come to, out of that conversation is we can't tell him who we are.
01:05:54.215 --> 01:05:56.517
[SPEAKER_02]: because we risk changing the timeline.
01:05:56.617 --> 01:06:04.702
[SPEAKER_02]: And look again, that's the tragic mistake that Xavier makes and that ultimately will cost him so much over the course of this episode this bit and probably in the future.
01:06:04.842 --> 01:06:06.783
[SPEAKER_02]: Certainly is cost him apocalypse throughout his life.
01:06:06.864 --> 01:06:08.665
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I don't want to say, oh, we can't make that decision.
01:06:08.685 --> 01:06:09.205
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course you can.
01:06:09.225 --> 01:06:10.366
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the story's prominent.
01:06:10.386 --> 01:06:11.527
[SPEAKER_02]: You can make the wrong decision.
01:06:11.667 --> 01:06:11.907
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:06:12.087 --> 01:06:16.272
[SPEAKER_02]: it does strike me as a wildly wrong decision given that you have already changed the past.
01:06:16.512 --> 01:06:30.427
[SPEAKER_02]: And someone who is already saying this belongs to all of us, you are sitting at his table, you are engaged with his people and you know is there at his battle, you are keeping his blade from cutting a guy's throat, you are changing the past, you are all ready to do any.
01:06:30.687 --> 01:06:40.337
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, theoretically towards the idea that you will stop him from becoming a public, which is the only way that they actually fail in that regard.
01:06:40.357 --> 01:06:52.250
[SPEAKER_02]: The place where they really mess up is that they don't acknowledge that they have already done the very thing that they're trying not to do and start operating without responsibility, which is a very exaggerating thing.
01:06:52.630 --> 01:06:58.175
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm gonna hang out of my responsibility way longer than I need to do it to the point at which it becomes toxic and then it backfires and everybody runs.
01:06:58.235 --> 01:06:59.215
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the Xavier story.
01:06:59.255 --> 01:06:59.916
[SPEAKER_02]: I totally get it.
01:06:59.996 --> 01:07:05.780
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do think it's it's tragic in this context because I do think it does create a apocalypse pretty directly in a way that it didn't need to.
01:07:05.961 --> 01:07:11.405
[SPEAKER_02]: There's the opportunity for a very different kind of story and maybe one that does show how a apocalypse becomes more himself.
01:07:11.585 --> 01:07:13.587
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not as a reaction to Xavier.
01:07:13.747 --> 01:07:14.027
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:07:14.147 --> 01:07:21.915
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, completely agree with everything you both had to say on that, but to move us along because we are running close to the ceiling that we have for this episode.
01:07:22.135 --> 01:07:29.924
[SPEAKER_03]: Two things I just want to shout out real quick before I take us to our ratings is I call foul on the way nor eat it that poor elephant.
01:07:30.044 --> 01:07:31.766
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not okay and I take issue with it.
01:07:31.846 --> 01:07:34.689
[SPEAKER_03]: If he did one thing wrong, it is what he did to that poor creature.
01:07:35.149 --> 01:07:39.591
[SPEAKER_03]: On my note, it just says, no, body, that elephant.
01:07:39.651 --> 01:07:41.132
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think wrong.
01:07:41.312 --> 01:07:42.252
[SPEAKER_03]: He was a vehicle.
01:07:42.272 --> 01:07:43.353
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we can't stick on it.
01:07:43.393 --> 01:07:50.736
[SPEAKER_03]: That is one and number two, I just feel like, gummer would be a bunch of business for a little double.
01:07:50.856 --> 01:07:57.819
[SPEAKER_03]: And then my second point that I want to make sure to get on is we just didn't really mention the, I think the fire between ball and apocalypse.
01:07:57.839 --> 01:08:00.220
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a sugar daddy and a sugar baby situation I've ever seen.
01:08:00.220 --> 01:08:02.502
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I talk about it, but acknowledge it.
01:08:02.522 --> 01:08:04.484
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you take him out of the streets disgusting.
01:08:04.524 --> 01:08:06.646
[SPEAKER_03]: I know what you are and I don't like it ball.
01:08:06.987 --> 01:08:07.988
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I'm glad you're dead.
01:08:08.188 --> 01:08:08.428
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
01:08:08.548 --> 01:08:08.929
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
01:08:09.029 --> 01:08:22.142
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, with that can you two please I want to say you know when you know like Southeast Asian women will call like old fat white men who go over there L.B.
01:08:22.182 --> 01:08:23.023
[SPEAKER_04]: H's yeah
01:08:23.603 --> 01:08:24.624
[SPEAKER_04]: He's just back home.
01:08:24.644 --> 01:08:25.805
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes.
01:08:25.865 --> 01:08:27.046
[SPEAKER_04]: He's an L.B.H.
01:08:27.246 --> 01:08:28.067
[SPEAKER_02]: He really is.
01:08:28.147 --> 01:08:28.707
[SPEAKER_04]: He really is.
01:08:28.967 --> 01:08:29.468
[SPEAKER_04]: He really is.
01:08:29.648 --> 01:08:30.749
[SPEAKER_04]: He's a possible bro.
01:08:30.809 --> 01:08:31.229
[SPEAKER_02]: But I.
01:08:31.409 --> 01:08:31.689
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:08:31.930 --> 01:08:32.470
[SPEAKER_02]: I do have to.
01:08:32.570 --> 01:08:34.692
[SPEAKER_02]: There's my other party foul on this episode.
01:08:34.712 --> 01:08:37.634
[SPEAKER_02]: They got John Delanzi who placed Q in Star Trek the next January.
01:08:37.654 --> 01:08:39.175
[SPEAKER_02]: He played King the Conqueror.
01:08:39.235 --> 01:08:40.176
[SPEAKER_02]: They've got Warp.
01:08:40.196 --> 01:08:41.237
[SPEAKER_02]: They've got Michael Jordan in place.
01:08:41.277 --> 01:08:43.419
[SPEAKER_02]: Warp on Star Trek the next generation playing well.
01:08:43.539 --> 01:08:46.001
[SPEAKER_02]: Once again, they do not put them in a scene together.
01:08:46.441 --> 01:08:48.463
[SPEAKER_02]: Media 10 point deduction for me on this episode.
01:08:48.543 --> 01:08:48.923
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
01:08:49.023 --> 01:08:51.584
[SPEAKER_02]: the trekkie and me cannot abide as it's taught her to write up.
01:08:51.624 --> 01:08:53.085
[SPEAKER_02]: That's well done disastrous.
01:08:53.405 --> 01:08:55.786
[SPEAKER_04]: The way you were smiling and long to.
01:08:55.826 --> 01:08:59.187
[SPEAKER_03]: Also shout out to Gates McFadden, who is playing Rachel.
01:08:59.308 --> 01:09:00.888
[SPEAKER_03]: Great, feels worth noting.
01:09:01.248 --> 01:09:02.409
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God, what was that, Gates?
01:09:02.649 --> 01:09:03.289
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like that.
01:09:03.309 --> 01:09:05.290
[SPEAKER_03]: Gates McFadden, she's Rachel, great.
01:09:05.410 --> 01:09:06.491
[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't it crazy?
01:09:06.591 --> 01:09:09.112
[SPEAKER_02]: She's one of the few members of that original cast that I've actually met.
01:09:09.292 --> 01:09:10.192
[SPEAKER_02]: She's a really one.
01:09:10.232 --> 01:09:10.733
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh really?
01:09:11.033 --> 01:09:11.433
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
01:09:12.113 --> 01:09:14.674
[SPEAKER_03]: I was speaking out to be an X for 97, but that's great.
01:09:14.814 --> 01:09:28.198
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but okay, now to help us around off this conversation, can you to please give me four episodes three, your ratings out of a scale of 97, and just briefly why, let us start this time with Ashley.
01:09:28.578 --> 01:09:31.378
[SPEAKER_04]: I will go for, I kind of want to say the same thing as Jackson again.
01:09:31.398 --> 01:09:32.039
[SPEAKER_04]: No, let's test it out.
01:09:32.059 --> 01:09:40.061
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready
01:09:40.621 --> 01:09:42.783
[SPEAKER_03]: 92 out of 97.
01:09:43.244 --> 01:09:45.285
[SPEAKER_03]: You won't get a reveal until like ask Jackson.
01:09:45.325 --> 01:09:46.266
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but tell me a bit why?
01:09:46.486 --> 01:09:49.389
[SPEAKER_04]: Because I matured like mine for me.
01:09:49.429 --> 01:09:52.352
[SPEAKER_04]: First I read it as like this is ridiculous and then I was like maybe it's really killer some purpose.
01:09:52.692 --> 01:09:55.795
[SPEAKER_04]: I think this was the one that gave me the most to chew on mentally.
01:09:55.915 --> 01:10:03.242
[SPEAKER_04]: In the fact that I was sitting in there really invested in like this causal loop and the development of these characters, that to me was good writing.
01:10:03.302 --> 01:10:03.562
[SPEAKER_04]: I think
01:10:04.162 --> 01:10:08.184
[SPEAKER_04]: This one was the most mentally rich for me.
01:10:08.504 --> 01:10:13.827
[SPEAKER_04]: Good in ways that I didn't always agree with, but in some places that I did, and I think that's why I really liked it.
01:10:13.967 --> 01:10:17.669
[SPEAKER_03]: How about you, Jackson, what is your rating out of a scale of 97?
01:10:17.869 --> 01:10:18.690
[SPEAKER_03]: And tell me briefly why?
01:10:18.830 --> 01:10:19.971
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a 79.
01:10:20.191 --> 01:10:24.513
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, here are our lightment is broken, Ash.
01:10:24.853 --> 01:10:25.593
[SPEAKER_03]: I gave it a 70, that.
01:10:27.915 --> 01:10:29.616
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to give it a $70,000.
01:10:29.896 --> 01:10:30.457
[SPEAKER_04]: Go.
01:10:30.717 --> 01:10:32.718
[SPEAKER_04]: Jax, you have to marry us, boy.
01:10:32.958 --> 01:10:34.119
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no.
01:10:35.020 --> 01:10:36.201
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to move to London anyway.
01:10:36.221 --> 01:10:36.921
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.
01:10:37.001 --> 01:10:38.202
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll send details of my dowry.
01:10:38.462 --> 01:10:39.383
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll send details of my dowry.
01:10:39.403 --> 01:10:40.744
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll send details of my dowry.
01:10:41.224 --> 01:10:42.645
[SPEAKER_02]: So here's the track.
01:10:42.885 --> 01:10:44.106
[SPEAKER_02]: I really like this episode.
01:10:44.126 --> 01:10:47.308
[SPEAKER_02]: And I fully agree with Ash's reason for creating it as he did.
01:10:47.648 --> 01:10:51.391
[SPEAKER_02]: My concern with it is there are parts of it that I simply don't buy.
01:10:51.491 --> 01:11:02.834
[SPEAKER_02]: that I, as a viewer just passively, I'm having a really hard time understanding character motivation for, and the magnetically is such a core part of this episode, especially, that I find that just hard to handle directly.
01:11:03.214 --> 01:11:10.776
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, a very avowed king, the conqueror nerd, having written his book and having been pretty deeply invested in that character.
01:11:11.176 --> 01:11:13.796
[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like he's a little bit wasted on this plot.
01:11:14.036 --> 01:11:16.717
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not really sure why we're dealing with king on this plot.
01:11:17.137 --> 01:11:18.817
[SPEAKER_02]: If we could do it any bit, it could be anybody.
01:11:19.057 --> 01:11:21.018
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that bumps me out, because I always think that character
01:11:21.258 --> 01:11:28.641
[SPEAKER_02]: even has a lot to say about this particular plot and they choose rather than engaging with that to give most of his scene work to the slavery.
01:11:28.981 --> 01:11:37.725
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I was like, I feel like the, this is a few opportunities to be a more primed distilled version of the thing that it's trying to do, which is a minor confronting sometimes.
01:11:37.825 --> 01:11:41.087
[SPEAKER_02]: That said, it does have a lot of really great stuff that so that's where it.
01:11:41.147 --> 01:11:42.207
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I landed that's okay.
01:11:42.227 --> 01:11:43.988
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a very rich brew.
01:11:44.108 --> 01:11:50.111
[SPEAKER_02]: I am, I will be thinking about it for a while because time loops will do that, especially time loops that are what is this one.
01:11:50.391 --> 01:11:51.912
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like you're saying, it was a rich brew.
01:11:52.092 --> 01:11:56.675
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you just left a bitter taste in my mouth afterwards, a little bit, which is why I bought it down.
01:11:57.076 --> 01:12:04.001
[SPEAKER_03]: But okay, now to round off, thinking back of the last three episodes we just discussed, I'm going to ask you a series of questions.
01:12:04.021 --> 01:12:09.805
[SPEAKER_03]: So you may answer them with a sentence or a small paragraph, starting us off.
01:12:09.965 --> 01:12:11.686
[SPEAKER_03]: Ashley, we're going to go one by one.
01:12:11.706 --> 01:12:12.927
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's start with episode one.
01:12:12.987 --> 01:12:15.589
[SPEAKER_03]: Give me your winner of episode one season two.
01:12:19.092 --> 01:12:19.892
[SPEAKER_03]: Storm, why?
01:12:20.333 --> 01:12:35.881
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm your Solar Flair Storm only ever needs to be told once, man Rachel, so cool Remember your bad bitch Storm, you're right And there's love it Jackson, your winner Forge Say more Good, for exactly the same reasons, it's just Daniel
01:12:37.202 --> 01:12:43.086
[SPEAKER_02]: Dan you And then just goes right back to sin with him and even when he's I'm not sure this is gonna work She's I don't know what you're talking about.
01:12:43.106 --> 01:12:44.146
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm in that unit one.
01:12:44.286 --> 01:12:55.273
[SPEAKER_03]: I love sure for my end I'm actually going to give a I'd maybe this will be the only time I do it this whole season I'm gonna give it to cable young cable specifically because he got to do his little video game move with that gun And I thought that was really cute.
01:12:55.313 --> 01:12:58.675
[SPEAKER_03]: It was really nice to see moving us a lot All right call the police.
01:12:58.895 --> 01:12:59.195
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care.
01:12:59.215 --> 01:12:59.716
[SPEAKER_03]: They know me.
01:12:59.856 --> 01:13:03.518
[SPEAKER_03]: They know me For episode one give you your loser of the episode
01:13:06.413 --> 01:13:16.406
[SPEAKER_04]: Ashley, cable, hateful, hateful, I think it's the same one, look, I'm alright, it's Condensed as I can make it, the problem with cable is that he's an asshole in the future so everything about his past feels redundant.
01:13:16.466 --> 01:13:20.732
[SPEAKER_04]: Why are you giving me all these touching moments between him and his mom and his dad and coming to these realizations?
01:13:20.772 --> 01:13:21.152
[SPEAKER_04]: Did it help?
01:13:21.413 --> 01:13:21.553
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
01:13:21.833 --> 01:13:24.616
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Jack said tell me your loser episode one.
01:13:24.856 --> 01:13:25.357
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Jean.
01:13:25.597 --> 01:13:26.758
[SPEAKER_02]: She is nothing.
01:13:26.778 --> 01:13:34.066
[SPEAKER_02]: She's a non-stop bad idea machine in this episode She literally is I can't be a mom to this kid that I'm not a mom to I'll break all of time Immediately get some caught in the train with the best face.
01:13:34.086 --> 01:13:34.627
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no Sorry, I'm sorry.
01:13:34.647 --> 01:13:34.867
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
01:13:34.887 --> 01:13:35.087
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
01:13:35.107 --> 01:13:35.307
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
01:13:35.327 --> 01:13:35.567
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
01:13:35.668 --> 01:13:35.868
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
01:13:35.888 --> 01:13:36.088
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
01:13:36.108 --> 01:13:36.308
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
01:13:36.328 --> 01:13:36.529
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.
01:13:38.851 --> 01:13:39.051
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.
01:13:39.071 --> 01:13:39.271
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01:13:39.291 --> 01:13:39.492
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.
01:13:39.512 --> 01:13:39.712
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.
01:13:39.732 --> 01:13:39.932
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.
01:13:40.172 --> 01:13:40.413
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.
01:13:40.453 --> 01:13:40.653
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
01:13:40.673 --> 01:13:40.873
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
01:13:40.893 --> 01:13:41.093
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
01:13:41.113 --> 01:13:41.314
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
01:13:41.334 --> 01:13:41.534
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
01:13:41.574 --> 01:13:41.794
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
01:13:41.814 --> 01:13:42.014
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
01:13:42.034 --> 01:13:42.275
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
01:13:42.295 --> 01:13:42.495
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.
01:13:42.515 --> 01:13:42.715
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
01:13:43.995 --> 01:13:51.498
[SPEAKER_03]: I think she's also the loser of the episode and I decided that specifically when she sent Scott to be the diplomat to talk to Rachel I was just like that's a stupid-ass bitch move.
01:13:51.658 --> 01:13:53.039
[SPEAKER_03]: You're sending Scott of all of these.
01:13:53.259 --> 01:13:53.499
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:13:53.559 --> 01:13:54.019
[SPEAKER_03]: That's dumb.
01:13:54.139 --> 01:13:56.881
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a dumb bitch decision Can you Jackson?
01:13:57.041 --> 01:14:03.023
[SPEAKER_03]: It give me and we're an accessible podcast so we'll work with you here Can you please give me your whitelist at the moment of the episode?
01:14:06.681 --> 01:14:07.021
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
01:14:07.101 --> 01:14:07.462
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
01:14:07.522 --> 01:14:08.562
[SPEAKER_02]: I really appreciate it.
01:14:08.602 --> 01:14:11.184
[SPEAKER_02]: I would go together to lightly less of a whole this way.
01:14:11.204 --> 01:14:11.744
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate it.
01:14:11.884 --> 01:14:20.229
[SPEAKER_02]: I genuinely think it's when Nathan we just introduced him and he's sitting there with his parents and he goes, it's supposed to grow up to be to be able.
01:14:20.370 --> 01:14:25.733
[SPEAKER_02]: And I genuinely saw every Luke Skywalker style little white hero character that's ever been there.
01:14:26.093 --> 01:14:27.194
[SPEAKER_02]: Always have that line.
01:14:27.314 --> 01:14:27.414
[SPEAKER_02]: It's
01:14:27.594 --> 01:14:27.914
[SPEAKER_02]: always.
01:14:28.094 --> 01:14:29.375
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the little destined boy.
01:14:29.635 --> 01:14:30.736
[SPEAKER_02]: How am I supposed to do it?
01:14:30.796 --> 01:14:32.036
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though I'm all sick.
01:14:32.156 --> 01:14:33.817
[SPEAKER_02]: I just I can't handle those characters.
01:14:34.197 --> 01:14:35.478
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I've even should out of me.
01:14:35.658 --> 01:14:37.359
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's because I was born disabled.
01:14:37.419 --> 01:14:39.000
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a lot of sickness in my life.
01:14:39.060 --> 01:14:40.560
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like the last thing I need to give you.
01:14:40.580 --> 01:14:43.782
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, how am I supposed to do it now?
01:14:44.683 --> 01:14:47.686
[SPEAKER_02]: You said get it together, you said get it together.
01:14:48.226 --> 01:14:54.172
[SPEAKER_02]: It's starting to be you have been dictated by this incredibly white narrative that you are the hero of what this is.
01:14:54.353 --> 01:14:56.094
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, actually.
01:14:56.134 --> 01:14:58.016
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
01:14:58.156 --> 01:14:58.597
[SPEAKER_02]: Slap it.
01:14:58.617 --> 01:15:05.324
[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, if you could please give me your black and small bit of episode one, please.
01:15:05.624 --> 01:15:09.608
[SPEAKER_04]: Is Bishop looking at that fucking spreadsheet of all them faces?
01:15:09.748 --> 01:15:11.570
[SPEAKER_04]: These motherfuckers really lost, huh?
01:15:11.710 --> 01:15:13.612
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, damn, damn.
01:15:13.832 --> 01:15:15.293
[SPEAKER_04]: Somebody's gonna have to do something.
01:15:15.493 --> 01:15:17.615
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it'll be me taking care of this bullshit again.
01:15:17.675 --> 01:15:17.996
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:15:18.396 --> 01:15:18.796
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:15:18.897 --> 01:15:20.178
[SPEAKER_03]: I already shouted out mine.
01:15:20.338 --> 01:15:24.161
[SPEAKER_03]: I think my blackest moment of the episode is when Rachel took off her hood.
01:15:24.342 --> 01:15:26.824
[SPEAKER_03]: Storm looked at her and she was just like, it's none of my business.
01:15:27.124 --> 01:15:27.605
[SPEAKER_03]: Go with peace.
01:15:27.745 --> 01:15:28.325
[SPEAKER_03]: I wish you luck.
01:15:28.505 --> 01:15:29.446
[SPEAKER_03]: I have nothing to do with this.
01:15:29.687 --> 01:15:31.148
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just gonna go do what I need to do, right?
01:15:31.628 --> 01:15:32.669
[SPEAKER_03]: And I really appreciate it that.
01:15:32.809 --> 01:15:33.730
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:15:33.750 --> 01:15:35.892
[SPEAKER_04]: Now final question on this episode.
01:15:35.932 --> 01:15:37.714
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you please?
01:15:38.134 --> 01:15:38.435
[SPEAKER_03]: Ashley.
01:15:38.455 --> 01:15:39.195
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to start with that.
01:15:39.355 --> 01:15:41.497
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you ask to give me your career's moment of the episode?
01:15:41.577 --> 01:15:41.958
[SPEAKER_03]: Please.
01:15:44.806 --> 01:15:46.287
[SPEAKER_04]: Where is moment of the episode?
01:15:46.527 --> 01:15:49.790
[SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, probably everything to do with the fucking horsemen.
01:15:50.951 --> 01:15:58.097
[SPEAKER_04]: Anytime you've got a grown man groveling in front of a big sarcophagus, it's just, it is like Lord Apocalypse.
01:15:58.317 --> 01:16:00.839
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a tale of like tragic queer love all the time.
01:16:00.859 --> 01:16:02.020
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's not even a mutant.
01:16:02.080 --> 01:16:04.662
[SPEAKER_04]: He's not even a mutant, he's just an heir, because he loves that man.
01:16:04.682 --> 01:16:05.203
[SPEAKER_04]: God bless him.
01:16:05.583 --> 01:16:09.304
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was like, I got stand up like he's a girl.
01:16:09.484 --> 01:16:12.865
[SPEAKER_04]: Get up and you don't do this.
01:16:13.045 --> 01:16:14.346
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know young flyer Pokeleads.
01:16:14.386 --> 01:16:16.407
[SPEAKER_04]: I would understand, but that's a vending machine.
01:16:16.527 --> 01:16:16.727
[SPEAKER_04]: You.
01:16:16.767 --> 01:16:17.967
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's what people like it.
01:16:18.267 --> 01:16:19.768
[SPEAKER_03]: Save a life, I'll give you a big net on them.
01:16:19.928 --> 01:16:20.568
[SPEAKER_03]: I like it too.
01:16:20.968 --> 01:16:24.869
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Jackson, can you please give me your queries moment in episode one please?
01:16:25.249 --> 01:16:27.650
[SPEAKER_02]: I already said it and I'll say it again just because I get
01:16:33.572 --> 01:16:36.680
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know that I could be the bathroom.
01:16:37.021 --> 01:16:38.404
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know I could be that in the floor.
01:16:38.424 --> 01:16:40.368
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you guys dare to tell him?
01:16:40.429 --> 01:16:40.829
[SPEAKER_03]: Daniel?
01:16:42.352 --> 01:16:49.915
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, for my and my career is a little bit of episode one was Rachel sitting by sexually upside down.
01:16:49.935 --> 01:16:52.736
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm not sitting correct.
01:16:53.096 --> 01:16:54.197
[SPEAKER_03]: One of us, I see you.
01:16:54.277 --> 01:16:57.078
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, we're in a chair in a regular way.
01:16:57.618 --> 01:16:58.199
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm doing it.
01:16:58.339 --> 01:16:59.239
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, moving on.
01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:01.120
[SPEAKER_03]: Back to episode two.
01:17:01.140 --> 01:17:04.181
[SPEAKER_03]: A kid you Jackson, give me your winner of the episode.
01:17:07.570 --> 01:17:09.531
[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, it's gotta be Jubilee.
01:17:09.631 --> 01:17:10.571
[SPEAKER_02]: It's gotta be Jubilee.
01:17:10.651 --> 01:17:12.832
[SPEAKER_02]: She wins everything about this episode.
01:17:12.912 --> 01:17:17.934
[SPEAKER_02]: She learns to punch cops in the face as hard as you can be possible while looking as small as possible.
01:17:18.254 --> 01:17:19.135
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a win in my book.
01:17:19.175 --> 01:17:19.455
[SPEAKER_02]: Love it.
01:17:19.815 --> 01:17:23.116
[SPEAKER_02]: Ashley, it's sign up for breaking that man's call for no reason.
01:17:23.136 --> 01:17:24.677
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't think about that.
01:17:24.697 --> 01:17:25.657
[SPEAKER_03]: She did it.
01:17:25.718 --> 01:17:27.238
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so stupid.
01:17:27.278 --> 01:17:28.939
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so stupid.
01:17:28.999 --> 01:17:29.479
[SPEAKER_03]: Love it though.
01:17:29.579 --> 01:17:30.359
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, all right.
01:17:30.419 --> 01:17:31.520
[SPEAKER_03]: This is my winner of the episode.
01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:33.301
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what, I'll just throw in with a lot.
01:17:33.441 --> 01:17:42.345
[SPEAKER_03]: I will say Jubilee as well because Mama did something and it's been literally seven seasons of her moving nothing for me, doing nothing.
01:17:42.425 --> 01:17:43.345
[SPEAKER_03]: That's so finally.
01:17:43.845 --> 01:17:44.286
[SPEAKER_03]: She woke up.
01:17:44.586 --> 01:17:45.006
[SPEAKER_03]: That's great.
01:17:45.426 --> 01:17:49.128
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, moving on though, can you actually give me your loser?
01:17:49.148 --> 01:17:49.888
[SPEAKER_03]: If absolutely, please.
01:17:52.755 --> 01:17:54.557
[SPEAKER_04]: have a generally because he was there.
01:17:54.777 --> 01:17:57.480
[SPEAKER_04]: Any medium, which have a couple of years he is the automatic loser.
01:17:57.661 --> 01:17:58.161
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
01:17:58.321 --> 01:17:58.742
[SPEAKER_04]: Same line.
01:17:58.862 --> 01:18:04.228
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a tragic thing to know that you are the lesser product of your parents and circumstances.
01:18:04.348 --> 01:18:05.289
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's the better one.
01:18:05.510 --> 01:18:06.451
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't even know yet.
01:18:06.551 --> 01:18:08.373
[SPEAKER_03]: This is still before he finds out who his brother is.
01:18:08.673 --> 01:18:32.978
[SPEAKER_04]: and still people are calling him a loser and kind of lose her about his brother like she doesn't she picks up old he calls him budget sideclubs like she doesn't she knows yeah and he doesn't even know Gastard she just said a random name you know what it is just right where to stick him yeah yeah you know what you're right I don't know why that up to be so black but it really does yeah because he knows he's bottom of the lead board it doesn't matter what name you say
01:18:33.318 --> 01:18:35.199
[SPEAKER_03]: Jackson, can you give me your loser the episode?
01:18:35.420 --> 01:18:36.480
[SPEAKER_02]: I really hate to say this.
01:18:36.580 --> 01:18:39.282
[SPEAKER_02]: My loser of the episode is a noll and here is why.
01:18:39.402 --> 01:18:41.204
[SPEAKER_02]: It's already the honor.
01:18:41.344 --> 01:18:43.705
[SPEAKER_02]: And what that means is that they're going to skip.
01:18:43.746 --> 01:18:45.207
[SPEAKER_02]: They can't do that plot now.
01:18:45.347 --> 01:18:47.648
[SPEAKER_02]: They can't show us the cool.
01:18:47.748 --> 01:18:51.951
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the best bits in the entire canon of this character is in losing his arm.
01:18:51.991 --> 01:18:55.014
[SPEAKER_02]: Save his friends and then getting the new one that looks real weird.
01:18:55.334 --> 01:18:56.315
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that character.
01:18:56.395 --> 01:18:56.995
[SPEAKER_02]: I spent a lot of time.
01:18:56.995 --> 01:18:57.756
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm on that character.
01:18:57.956 --> 01:19:07.329
[SPEAKER_02]: Anole is a, is a big, portable colonized take on the X-Men, to see them already skip past what is going to be one of his more iconic moments, bummed me out.
01:19:07.469 --> 01:19:11.275
[SPEAKER_02]: So he, it's not because he's a loser, but he lost the plot lottery, I think.
01:19:11.595 --> 01:19:12.256
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow, good.
01:19:12.356 --> 01:19:13.057
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I see.
01:19:13.297 --> 01:19:21.865
[SPEAKER_03]: On my end, I'm going to say the loser of the episode is was not featured in this episode or replaced by Quintin Choir, because that's just embarrassing.
01:19:22.125 --> 01:19:26.148
[SPEAKER_03]: Husk, by flop, go flake away, Mondo, who skin?
01:19:26.308 --> 01:19:26.549
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
01:19:26.849 --> 01:19:27.369
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, moving up.
01:19:27.469 --> 01:19:27.890
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I don't know.
01:19:27.910 --> 01:19:28.510
[SPEAKER_02]: I do want to make a note.
01:19:28.530 --> 01:19:32.053
[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't talk about this, and I just have a note here that I fathered the shit out of me.
01:19:32.073 --> 01:19:34.976
[SPEAKER_02]: All the hidden kids are supposed to be like secret mutant kids, right?
01:19:34.996 --> 01:19:39.500
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, you're trying to hide from being mutants, whether it's chased by x-facroget like that.
01:19:39.820 --> 01:19:40.701
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Quinn Choir.
01:19:40.841 --> 01:19:49.668
[SPEAKER_02]: He has an X patch with an Omega and he has a fainted shirt and I'm like, this boy is putting a giant crosshair or something.
01:19:49.708 --> 01:19:50.269
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, good.
01:19:52.311 --> 01:19:53.712
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, my name was in that.
01:19:53.752 --> 01:19:54.853
[SPEAKER_03]: What was with that lineup?
01:19:54.873 --> 01:19:56.034
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't you dare come to my couple.
01:19:56.274 --> 01:19:58.076
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, one, take him.
01:19:58.256 --> 01:19:59.597
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, what we break you out.
01:19:59.817 --> 01:20:01.679
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, lot, though.
01:20:01.919 --> 01:20:03.080
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, moving down.
01:20:03.200 --> 01:20:06.423
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you actually give me your blackest moment of the episode?
01:20:10.222 --> 01:20:13.984
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh God, I think maybe it's, I think maybe it's sidewalk.
01:20:14.245 --> 01:20:15.105
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a blackest moment.
01:20:15.185 --> 01:20:18.347
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it's sidewalk doing what the fuck needs to be done.
01:20:18.467 --> 01:20:21.849
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, everybody else is pontificating about the morality, it's okay.
01:20:22.029 --> 01:20:23.310
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, fair, fair.
01:20:23.550 --> 01:20:26.092
[SPEAKER_03]: How about you Jackson, what is your widest moment of the episode?
01:20:26.192 --> 01:20:29.434
[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, I have two, so I'm trying to figure out how to play this.
01:20:29.814 --> 01:20:30.255
[SPEAKER_02]: That's both.
01:20:30.415 --> 01:20:30.895
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:20:30.995 --> 01:20:34.199
[SPEAKER_02]: So one is just Emma Frost in general.
01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:36.581
[SPEAKER_02]: Emma Frost is deeply white in this episode.
01:20:36.721 --> 01:20:45.370
[SPEAKER_02]: She has no sense of societal or communal responsibility at all, immediately sells mutants down the river for very little on the other side of it.
01:20:45.491 --> 01:20:47.653
[SPEAKER_02]: So for that, she's really my wife's moment of the thing.
01:20:47.853 --> 01:21:00.259
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do think it's worth pointing out that there is just something, I don't know this is the widest moment, but it is the silliest thing that Bobby is recruited on to a black ops team and immediately starts dressing like a superhero.
01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:01.800
[SPEAKER_02]: I just can't get over it.
01:21:02.120 --> 01:21:07.703
[SPEAKER_02]: It is the silliest coping mechanism I've ever seen in the fact that no one calls him out on it means they don't take him seriously.
01:21:07.783 --> 01:21:13.106
[SPEAKER_02]: It means that he's jumped there as the kid that they had to tag along and can still be able to super suit.
01:21:15.066 --> 01:21:16.667
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, but it was the one that blew my air.
01:21:16.727 --> 01:21:17.787
[SPEAKER_02]: He is the blackest one, though.
01:21:18.027 --> 01:21:19.247
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm saying much about that too.
01:21:19.407 --> 01:21:20.928
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not saying much about that.
01:21:20.968 --> 01:21:21.888
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm saying?
01:21:21.908 --> 01:21:24.469
[SPEAKER_04]: Listen, when he goes into dog skin mode, you know, serious.
01:21:24.549 --> 01:21:33.951
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, for my, and I think the blackest moment in this episode is Lorno, because I think Polaris's hair stylist is obviously black.
01:21:34.011 --> 01:21:34.491
[SPEAKER_03]: That's one.
01:21:34.831 --> 01:21:38.872
[SPEAKER_03]: And number two, everything she's going through, that's just like a light skin mixed girl journey.
01:21:39.092 --> 01:21:40.632
[SPEAKER_03]: And she will come out with the end.
01:21:40.932 --> 01:21:41.893
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm right, Ashley.
01:21:41.913 --> 01:21:43.433
[SPEAKER_03]: You're gonna resist me, but it's true.
01:21:43.773 --> 01:21:44.974
[SPEAKER_03]: That's me check-out text.
01:21:45.095 --> 01:21:46.016
[SPEAKER_03]: I know what she's doing.
01:21:46.536 --> 01:21:46.936
[SPEAKER_04]: Moving on.
01:21:47.097 --> 01:21:50.000
[SPEAKER_04]: That's me being said, that's never been said.
01:21:50.120 --> 01:21:51.041
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
01:21:51.241 --> 01:21:52.062
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:21:52.142 --> 01:21:53.143
[SPEAKER_03]: All these things.
01:21:53.303 --> 01:21:55.646
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, men says it's the widest moment in the episode.
01:21:55.806 --> 01:21:57.207
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, worst bowl collect.
01:21:57.307 --> 01:21:58.349
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I think it's amazing.
01:21:58.589 --> 01:21:59.129
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
01:21:59.530 --> 01:22:00.271
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.
01:22:00.711 --> 01:22:01.352
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm moving this a lot.
01:22:01.432 --> 01:22:04.115
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you please Jackson give me your queerest moment of this episode.
01:22:07.021 --> 01:22:12.203
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Lorna and Jubilee right before Lorna pops up it and she's like, you've got five minutes.
01:22:12.223 --> 01:22:13.183
[SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna get what you get with it.
01:22:13.283 --> 01:22:15.724
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a really nice vibe going on between the two of them.
01:22:15.744 --> 01:22:19.786
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love the solidarity that builds there and it just felt so good being loved.
01:22:20.186 --> 01:22:22.867
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, Ashley, can you give me your clearest moment of the episode?
01:22:23.027 --> 01:22:24.468
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so it's either camp.
01:22:24.548 --> 01:22:25.968
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if it's queer, but it's camp.
01:22:26.248 --> 01:22:30.350
[SPEAKER_04]: Jubilee putting on those headphones and being in people off in a corridor is extremely camp.
01:22:30.510 --> 01:22:41.958
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the greatest one is and this is also a very camp everyone like oh no We can't lose cable to apocalypse and then they go in there and he just gets like a makeover He gets his nail grip
01:22:43.700 --> 01:22:46.521
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he gets his nails to it and he's all right y'all can go now.
01:22:46.561 --> 01:22:56.064
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you It's not the biggest I think it's a bit like a young gay going to uni for the first time his parents are sending him off and he's all right I'm good you can go.
01:22:56.084 --> 01:22:59.005
[SPEAKER_04]: I have a full party to get to He's not much it.
01:22:59.205 --> 01:23:00.826
[SPEAKER_04]: He put his hands out they gave him a new set
01:23:01.206 --> 01:23:02.047
[SPEAKER_03]: You said, are you ready?
01:23:02.147 --> 01:23:02.747
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody go home?
01:23:02.827 --> 01:23:26.508
[SPEAKER_03]: He said, new set, new hairdo, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set, new set
01:23:29.763 --> 01:23:32.106
[SPEAKER_02]: It's then something newer.
01:23:32.326 --> 01:23:33.828
[SPEAKER_02]: He has never been hotter.
01:23:34.108 --> 01:23:36.211
[SPEAKER_02]: He's never been more power.
01:23:36.951 --> 01:23:41.597
[SPEAKER_02]: He's never had more potential that's about to get unfortunately squandered by the X-Men.
01:23:41.797 --> 01:23:43.059
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's that?
01:23:43.339 --> 01:23:43.579
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:44.861
[SPEAKER_02]: It was what we promised.
01:23:44.981 --> 01:23:45.401
[SPEAKER_03]: Respect.
01:23:45.501 --> 01:23:45.962
[SPEAKER_03]: I like that.
01:23:46.242 --> 01:23:47.083
[SPEAKER_03]: How about you, Ashley?
01:23:47.103 --> 01:23:48.545
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you give me your winner of the episode?
01:23:48.545 --> 01:23:49.445
[SPEAKER_04]: I have some of a bunch of cream.
01:23:50.366 --> 01:23:51.646
[SPEAKER_04]: I said, death of a bunch of cream.
01:23:51.667 --> 01:23:52.847
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's talk about it.
01:23:52.867 --> 01:23:53.367
[SPEAKER_04]: You sure?
01:23:53.527 --> 01:23:55.048
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, okay, have long hair on his.
01:23:55.248 --> 01:23:56.409
[SPEAKER_04]: And not like it in a harness.
01:23:56.449 --> 01:23:57.769
[SPEAKER_04]: We'd want to name Bull Mosley.
01:23:57.849 --> 01:24:01.091
[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay, next episode, he's going to put down the wig and he's going to pick up the wig.
01:24:01.111 --> 01:24:01.631
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to wait.
01:24:01.791 --> 01:24:01.991
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:24:02.252 --> 01:24:10.756
[SPEAKER_03]: I think my winner of episode three is Nor because Magneva tried to stop him, Xavier tried to stop him, but Nor got his leg back.
01:24:10.876 --> 01:24:11.936
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey.
01:24:11.956 --> 01:24:12.877
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
01:24:13.097 --> 01:24:14.678
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, I'm a kid on that van and he's like,
01:24:17.699 --> 01:24:18.500
[SPEAKER_04]: about you actually.
01:24:18.680 --> 01:24:22.203
[SPEAKER_04]: My winner of the episode is probably, yeah, you know what?
01:24:22.343 --> 01:24:28.648
[SPEAKER_04]: It's probably no or can because I always like it when when somebody shakes Charles's cage.
01:24:29.008 --> 01:24:29.369
[SPEAKER_04]: Fair.
01:24:29.769 --> 01:24:30.410
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a press.
01:24:30.430 --> 01:24:31.230
[SPEAKER_04]: We try to press tempo.
01:24:31.270 --> 01:24:31.651
[SPEAKER_04]: We can.
01:24:31.671 --> 01:24:33.652
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, everything kicked him off his hand.
01:24:33.672 --> 01:24:36.495
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:24:36.515 --> 01:24:38.016
[SPEAKER_04]: He put that one on the side of the pyramid.
01:24:38.036 --> 01:24:38.937
[SPEAKER_04]: He put him in the sky.
01:24:38.957 --> 01:24:40.738
[SPEAKER_04]: He turned that man every way but loose.
01:24:40.978 --> 01:24:45.382
[SPEAKER_04]: That means, by her wig, up in the same right to all these aisles on the, when he came
01:24:47.183 --> 01:24:50.426
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I jack said, could you please give me your loser?
01:24:53.368 --> 01:24:59.032
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that elf that elf My true or truly body in the most embarrassing way.
01:24:59.312 --> 01:25:13.022
[SPEAKER_02]: No, might by slightly more serious answer Yeah, because there is a lot of talk in this episode about the first mutant and the only mutant And there's only this one mutant and there's a lot of name or a racer going on in this incident
01:25:13.863 --> 01:25:14.964
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying it.
01:25:15.144 --> 01:25:15.584
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
01:25:15.785 --> 01:25:16.085
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
01:25:16.305 --> 01:25:17.086
[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, you know what?
01:25:17.206 --> 01:25:24.492
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna piggyback off that one I'm gonna say my loser of that episode of Celine another long-fabled first mutant flop Where you out girl?
01:25:24.572 --> 01:25:29.716
[SPEAKER_03]: You see you anywhere anywhere all they show by bitch Emma continues to win it She will never lose.
01:25:30.216 --> 01:25:31.257
[SPEAKER_03]: Why tease you guys?
01:25:31.337 --> 01:25:32.799
[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, can you give you your loser of the episode?
01:25:32.819 --> 01:25:39.224
[SPEAKER_03]: Please say what useless hot Firstly, they don't make no shower gel then
01:25:39.584 --> 01:25:41.105
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, there's no child over back then.
01:25:41.205 --> 01:25:42.526
[SPEAKER_04]: So nobody's washing, right?
01:25:42.546 --> 01:25:43.787
[SPEAKER_04]: You're covered in flowers.
01:25:43.847 --> 01:25:45.028
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you stink in.
01:25:45.108 --> 01:25:46.229
[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody knows you're funky.
01:25:46.269 --> 01:25:48.511
[SPEAKER_04]: You're funky and incompetent in the past.
01:25:48.651 --> 01:25:51.533
[SPEAKER_04]: And when he was working, there's a scene where he comes into the room and he's walking like, and Lee's skiing.
01:25:51.613 --> 01:25:52.593
[SPEAKER_04]: Your fuck is fucked up.
01:25:52.613 --> 01:25:53.754
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:25:53.954 --> 01:25:54.695
[SPEAKER_04]: Fuck is fucked up.
01:25:54.735 --> 01:25:55.616
[SPEAKER_04]: Your science is shit.
01:25:55.776 --> 01:25:56.596
[SPEAKER_03]: Your outfit is bad.
01:25:56.636 --> 01:25:57.097
[SPEAKER_03]: You stink.
01:25:57.397 --> 01:25:59.959
[SPEAKER_03]: And we got a new blue lip here and he does more than you.
01:26:00.759 --> 01:26:01.540
[SPEAKER_03]: loser.
01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:05.583
[SPEAKER_03]: Could you then actually give me your blackest moment of the episode?
01:26:09.244 --> 01:26:14.770
[SPEAKER_04]: So, obviously, there's a long thing of like mutant of not being totally synonymous with minorities.
01:26:15.091 --> 01:26:19.636
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's obvious, and sometimes even such a basic point that it doesn't bear repeating.
01:26:19.736 --> 01:26:28.066
[SPEAKER_04]: But here, they have inexorably tied the story of emancipation from slavery with apocalypse the first mutant.
01:26:28.106 --> 01:26:29.007
[SPEAKER_04]: So, as in the same way,
01:26:29.267 --> 01:26:32.229
[SPEAKER_04]: this particular episode, this particular narrative.
01:26:32.369 --> 01:26:35.111
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's a pretty one for one thing they're trying to make here.
01:26:35.211 --> 01:26:42.215
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I think in Savanoor, I think like he's reckoning with what revenge should and can do for him.
01:26:42.515 --> 01:26:45.317
[SPEAKER_04]: And what is proportional and just?
01:26:45.377 --> 01:26:46.597
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, this is the black movement.
01:26:46.697 --> 01:26:53.101
[SPEAKER_04]: Nor being constantly lectured to by the people around him about how he should navigate his own oppression.
01:26:53.281 --> 01:26:54.302
[SPEAKER_04]: He is a very black moment.
01:26:54.382 --> 01:26:56.003
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was going to say that exactly.
01:26:56.103 --> 01:27:04.147
[SPEAKER_03]: For me, my blackest moment of the episode is newer being gas lit by everybody consistently to not just see what's in front of them.
01:27:04.448 --> 01:27:06.869
[SPEAKER_03]: But on that point, Jackson, can you give me your whiteest vote?
01:27:06.889 --> 01:27:08.570
[SPEAKER_02]: What does it look like?
01:27:08.630 --> 01:27:10.671
[SPEAKER_02]: This pendulum swings both ways on this one.
01:27:10.811 --> 01:27:14.994
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I don't know what you're clearly Magneto stopping his co-pash from cutting the head.
01:27:15.014 --> 01:27:16.074
[SPEAKER_02]: That's clear.
01:27:16.294 --> 01:27:19.156
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the most, what on earth do you think you are doing here?
01:27:19.176 --> 01:27:21.457
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of thing that is really did it to Magneto?
01:27:21.657 --> 01:27:22.778
[SPEAKER_02]: He would call a pressure.
01:27:23.098 --> 01:27:28.102
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yes, yeah, but he does do a part of it and calls it a lesson, which feels very white to me.
01:27:28.182 --> 01:27:35.127
[SPEAKER_04]: Lindsey Graham was a respected, my nation is in mourning right now.
01:27:35.287 --> 01:27:36.448
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, really stupid.
01:27:37.028 --> 01:27:37.829
[SPEAKER_03]: You're stupid.
01:27:38.089 --> 01:27:39.850
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, last question.
01:27:40.211 --> 01:27:40.691
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, he lady.
01:27:40.711 --> 01:27:44.414
[SPEAKER_03]: Ladies and gentlemen, yeah, and I completely agreed to be that is also the blackest moment.
01:27:44.754 --> 01:27:46.595
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is also the whiteest moment, completely right.
01:27:46.735 --> 01:27:51.699
[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, final question, could you give me your queries moment of episode three?
01:27:54.538 --> 01:27:57.539
[SPEAKER_04]: Can't I think into the episode when they did the lighting just on his eyes?
01:27:57.559 --> 01:27:58.419
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, scary.
01:27:58.480 --> 01:28:00.040
[SPEAKER_04]: But now you clearly have a girl.
01:28:00.060 --> 01:28:05.782
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're in head to Egyptian drag that you don't have to wear because you're not, you don't give a fuck.
01:28:05.882 --> 01:28:06.343
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm an actor.
01:28:06.363 --> 01:28:07.383
[SPEAKER_04]: You're not from here.
01:28:07.543 --> 01:28:08.543
[SPEAKER_04]: You're not from here.
01:28:08.904 --> 01:28:11.725
[SPEAKER_04]: You are using a floating light interface.
01:28:11.765 --> 01:28:13.145
[SPEAKER_04]: There is no consistency here.
01:28:13.345 --> 01:28:15.846
[SPEAKER_04]: You're wearing that shit because you want it to wear and come out fit.
01:28:15.966 --> 01:28:16.546
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's true.
01:28:16.686 --> 01:28:18.887
[SPEAKER_03]: A great, a great, a great jack said how about you?
01:28:18.907 --> 01:28:20.588
[SPEAKER_03]: What is your queerest moment of this episode?
01:28:20.708 --> 01:28:27.270
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually feel exactly the same way, but about the character we will learn in episode four to be, I think, Arisham, the Celestial.
01:28:27.471 --> 01:28:29.411
[SPEAKER_02]: He does the exact same thing to Xavier.
01:28:29.551 --> 01:28:31.692
[SPEAKER_02]: Xavier tries to just be like, what's going on?
01:28:31.892 --> 01:28:34.813
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, let me read you my co-op.
01:28:34.933 --> 01:28:38.955
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, we're really just leans and talks about the rocky shores.
01:28:38.995 --> 01:28:40.875
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just like, he's just indulging all the time.
01:28:41.156 --> 01:28:42.636
[SPEAKER_02]: We've loved it, right?
01:28:42.896 --> 01:28:43.236
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:28:43.296 --> 01:28:44.077
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, guys.
01:28:45.037 --> 01:28:46.538
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure, I love that.
01:28:46.698 --> 01:28:55.325
[SPEAKER_03]: I tip my hat on my career's moment a bit earlier, but I think just the ball and the nor dynamic is just giving something that I've seen.
01:28:55.566 --> 01:28:57.007
[SPEAKER_03]: I've experienced, and I'm free of.
01:28:57.367 --> 01:28:58.208
[SPEAKER_03]: I've got your free too.
01:28:58.228 --> 01:28:58.888
[SPEAKER_03]: You will be soon.
01:28:58.908 --> 01:29:00.690
[SPEAKER_03]: The liberation comes for all of them.
01:29:01.590 --> 01:29:03.852
[SPEAKER_03]: But yes, and I think that rounds us out.
01:29:03.992 --> 01:29:05.454
[SPEAKER_03]: Jack, thank you so much for joining us.
01:29:05.474 --> 01:29:10.818
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have any final words that you want to say about the three episodes?
01:29:11.158 --> 01:29:15.240
[SPEAKER_02]: I am glad to have a fun, big, communal, ex-medic experience again.
01:29:15.260 --> 01:29:30.368
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's actually, I think one of the things that I've been really missing since I left the Marvel one for the last, I've been out of Marvel for gosh, almost six, eight months now, it's been a minute that something I've really missed is engaging with this stuff as a fan and getting to re-engage with it with you has been a real delight.
01:29:30.408 --> 01:29:32.609
[SPEAKER_02]: So thank you for having me and obviously, thank you so much.
01:29:32.849 --> 01:29:34.470
[SPEAKER_02]: And we do hear what you think about the rest of the season.
01:29:34.670 --> 01:29:35.971
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you so much for coming.
01:29:35.991 --> 01:29:44.278
[SPEAKER_03]: You're obviously third chair will always be open for you if you'd like to come back We'd love to talk to you again, but in honor of your presence here today.
01:29:44.418 --> 01:29:48.782
[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to give you a gift Which is the Grand Return of Colette.
01:29:48.802 --> 01:29:52.265
[SPEAKER_03]: There's an impression a storm flames of the sun
01:29:52.585 --> 01:30:07.443
[SPEAKER_03]: source of all creation are summon a tempest of fire and light whose flyers ignite the spark of hope in darkness and blaze out trail to end apocalypse for me are the dawn that breaks his night
01:30:13.864 --> 01:30:16.466
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, go like we're not going on just do the thing.
01:30:16.666 --> 01:30:17.606
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you're welcome.
01:30:18.067 --> 01:30:19.347
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the complete sense.
01:30:19.407 --> 01:30:20.048
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll wrap this out.
01:30:20.228 --> 01:30:21.369
[SPEAKER_03]: Say goodbye people.
01:30:21.409 --> 01:30:23.630
[SPEAKER_03]: I do everybody for being here.
01:30:23.690 --> 01:30:25.211
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, it's a pleasure to speak to you too.
01:30:25.371 --> 01:30:30.074
[SPEAKER_04]: As always, we will see you next time when we talk about season two episode.
01:30:30.514 --> 01:30:32.575
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes, rise of apocalypse part two.
01:30:32.675 --> 01:30:35.357
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you all again so much and leave a rating for whatever.
01:30:35.497 --> 01:30:35.998
[SPEAKER_03]: Good to see you.
01:30:38.161 --> 01:30:38.941
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was the episode.
01:30:38.961 --> 01:30:41.082
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for listening and apologies for the delay.
01:30:41.102 --> 01:30:45.004
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01:30:45.224 --> 01:30:48.465
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01:30:48.505 --> 01:30:53.047
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01:30:53.147 --> 01:30:55.348
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01:30:55.468 --> 01:30:59.132
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01:30:59.232 --> 01:31:06.979
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01:31:07.179 --> 01:31:08.380
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01:31:08.561 --> 01:31:09.001
[SPEAKER_03]: Be nice.
01:31:09.301 --> 01:31:09.982
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much.
01:31:10.242 --> 01:31:11.363
[SPEAKER_03]: And goodbye.
01:31:27.279 --> 01:31:28.048
[UNKNOWN]: Don't you?