Mango Means Leave Me Alone | Ep. 346

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I've got a quick, quick question for you.
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All right.
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I want to hear your thoughts on what's on your mind.
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I've got a quick, quick question for you, all right?
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The answer's not important, I'm just glad that we could
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talk tonight.
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So what's your favorite?
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Who did you get? When will I be remembered? What
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did I do?
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Where did I go?
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Oh, forget it. Saw a movie, Daniel O'Brien. Two best
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friends and comedy writers.
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If there's an.
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Answer, they're gonna find it. I think you'll have a
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great time here. I think you'll have a great time here.
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Hello, we're back. It's the podcast. It's Quick Question with
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Soren and Daniel, the podcast. And it's the podcast. And
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it is the podcast. Soren, we are.
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That's riveting content.
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We are in opposite places right now. You are breaking
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an episode, which takes all of your time and attention
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and energy and makes it impossible to not just focus
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on anything else. Well, I mean, sometimes it makes you
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hyper-focus on everything else, but it certainly makes it... Breaking
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an episode of television or writing an outline makes it,
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I think... I think impossible to enjoy your life at all.
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Yeah.
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Is that fair to say? Yeah.
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And for people who don't understand what breaking is, breaking
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an episode is much like breaking a horse. I think
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the terminology comes from the same place. You just have
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something wild and chaotic in front of you and you
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got to wrestle it down and make it do what
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you want. Yeah. That's your, you're writing the episode. You're basically,
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you're going scene by scene and you're like, well, what's
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going to happen? What's the theme? What's the overarching like
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character story here? What, what are we doing? Yeah. and
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uh it's a nightmare it's it's like it's you're just
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i don't even know how to describe it you're digging
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toward what you know is a good tunnel or like
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whittling i think maybe that's what it is like when
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you some people say oh i already saw that in
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the wood you're you can kind of get a sense
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of it but you're just like you're trying the entire
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time and at any point you're gonna hit a knot
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or whatever where you're just like well fuck this doesn't
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work anymore yeah but yeah breaking.
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It's what separates writers from people who want to be writers,
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and it's not that people in that second camp can't
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ever transition into the first camp, but I have found
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a lot of people who don't write but would like
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to write and think they could write a great story
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or a great movie or a great episode of television
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if they just had the time. It's not really the
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time that's the difference maker. It's the willingness to do
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the tedious work of outlining the breaking because because the
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other stuff is fun the the the characters in a
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room talking to each other is fun and the coming
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up with jokes is fun and that's like the easy
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parts that that's the the reward of all the other
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writing that you do i forget who said it um
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but and i'm gonna butcher the quote so i shouldn't
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even start but something about how what separates uh Olympic
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athletes from regular, even elite athletes, is a tolerance for
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the tedium of practice, which is, I think, true of
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writing as well. You just need to be okay with everything.
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You just need to be okay with a lot of
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the not fun parts of the thing. Boy, oh boy, dear.
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But we're in opposite places right now, Soren, because I
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am on a two-week work hiatus.
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Oh, hell yeah.
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Just, you know what vacation means? It means I ran
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a race. It means I went fishing one day. And
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then it's been a lot of chores and a lot
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of picking up my son early from daycare and hanging
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out with him and putting him in naps and swaddling
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him and feeding him. This is vacation, baby.
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Yeah. Are you supposed to be writing on this vacation?
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I mean, for yourself.
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For myself? Oh, my God. Yeah, of course. There's always like.
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There's nothing more panicking than.
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The dream that I'm going to write for myself because
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two weeks seems like such a lot of time. And
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it's already Thursday of the first week. So it's pretty
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much shot because soon it'll be the weekend. And the
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weekend is family time, baby time for sure. And then
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it'll be Monday again. You know how time works, our listeners.
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I get it. Yeah, I'm familiar with the weeks, the
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days of the week.
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Our listeners are pretty sharp too. They know which direction
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time goes as well. So this week's a shot and
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next week is already Monday and Monday is basically Tuesday.
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So I don't think I'm getting any writing done. There's
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still so much house stuff. There's like all of the
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stuff that, uh, has been neglected that needed to get done.
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And then all of the like big projects that I
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wanted to tackle that can only get done when all
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of the like very basic maintenance gets done. And I'm
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just about through with the basic maintenance. And it is, again,
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Thursday slash Monday.
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Yes. I know that feeling. I was just on hiatus.
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And the nice thing about it is that, obviously, you
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have time. That's generally when your house chooses to betray
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you is during hiatus, which is very polite of your house.
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Or maybe you're just noticing the things more when you're
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on hiatus. And you can start fixing the things. But
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I broke it down in terms of when I would
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be writing. And I was like, well, let's see. Let's
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start with the morning where I'm dropping my kids off
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at school. I'm going to have to work out at
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some point. I need lunch. I need like these are
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the things that I absolutely need to do. And then
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there are the house things that like I can get
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to as many as I can in a day. But
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if I just space them out, I do. It's not
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a sprint marathon. I maybe do like one a day.
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Then I have to pick kids up from school. I
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was like breaking down. Well, when would I write? And
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I was like, OK, I found a solid 45 minutes
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in there. where I would be writing. And I'm like, well,
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it's just not going to happen. I'm going to have
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to sacrifice one of these other things that I want
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to do on my hiatus if I want to write.
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I'm not watching anything. I'm like, there's just not time.
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And so every single hiatus comes when I just can't write.
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That's what really shocked me about me is how I
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didn't watch anything. Like time was, I could see days
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go by And I could pinpoint, you know, the reason
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I didn't get anything done is I wasted too much
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fucking time back in the day on Twitter. Or I
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just decided to watch an episode of a show that
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became four episodes of a show. Or re-watching some movie.
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And damn it, Daniel, you shouldn't have done that. This
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week I'm not doing any of those things. And I'm
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just like truly... It's going to sound impossible, but... I'm
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just only folding laundry. I'm just folding tiny pairs of
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pajamas all day.
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Yes.
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I'm folding little burp cloths that I'm like, why am
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I doing this? I'm going to fold them and put
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them neatly in a drawer and then panic rip them
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out six at.
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A time by the fistful. I should just throw them
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on the floor. That's where I'm going to need them
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the most. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Eight. And I'll tell you now, it doesn't get better. Yeah.
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I'm still like, I still don't, I'm not working on
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my own stuff because also that's not never the priority. Well,
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I've found, maybe this isn't true of all writers, but
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when I really want to sit down and write, it's
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when I'm sick of everything else. It's when I'm sick of,
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I've watched too much TV that day or I'm not
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proud of what I've been doing. And I'm like, I'm
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just like sick of myself. I'm sick of everything around me.
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There's nothing I, I don't want fast food. I don't
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want any of these like.
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Yeah.
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I don't want in these impulse, uh, stimulations. I'm like,
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and then I sit down and I write and I
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can write for hours when I do that. But man,
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you don't ever get to that point. You don't ever
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find that. And you can't ramp into it because.
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You can't switch it on. Yeah.
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And you can't, even if you, even if you know
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the way in, you know, the on-ramp to being like
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in the writing zone, when you have a child, there's
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just interruptions left and right. There's nothing that you can
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do about it. Yeah.
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Anyway.
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But I want to talk about children or writing, Soren. Oh, okay, great.
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I wanted to talk about something that's been on my
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mind because it hasn't been all pajamas and chores. I
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mentioned up top that I did a race. And I
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went fishing, two of my favorite things in the world
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to do. And the race was fine. I wasn't trying
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to be competitive.
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I ran.
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I felt good. There were some people that I wanted
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to pass, and I passed them. And it felt good
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the entire time of the race. Wait, wait.
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Strangers, you spotted that morning. You clocked and you were like, well,
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I got to fucking beat that guy.
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It's not that I was hunting them in the morning.
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There were these guys definitely younger than me that I
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had at, you know, like comfortably 10 yards away from me, maybe.
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And they were running with each other. And they looked
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like fit guys who run and race a lot. And
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it wasn't bumping me that I had this gap behind us.
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And then we get to a part of this course
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where there's a turn. There is a. left turn and
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they have like cones set up for where you make
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the turn you go outside the cones to make your
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turn but there is still plenty of land before the
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cones and these guys shortcut it cut the corner they
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literally cut the corner And I could have just intuited
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that as, like, not my business and not my problem
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because you're truly... There's, like... There are few things sadder
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to me than, like, cheating a physical activity that you
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signed up for. That's just for you. Like... going to
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the gym and you want to do 15 reps of
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something and you're looking around and you do 12 and
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it's like, yeah, you could, you could probably get away
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with 10 if you wanted. None.
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Yeah.
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Uh, but I saw those guys cut that corner and I, I,
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I wanted to beat them and, and I did beat them, uh, on,
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on a hill, which is, Oh yeah. An incline is
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typically where I can, where, where I will like push myself.
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Cause it's where other people aren't going to push themselves.
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I feel like if I push myself up the hill,
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then I'm going to make up the ground that I
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probably couldn't make up in an all-out sprint or something
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like that. And then there was some 19-year-old girl that
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I had to beat just at the finish line just
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because she came out of nowhere at the last second
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and was running ahead of me. And I thought, well,
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fuck this noise. No, that's not going to happen. So
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I sped up at the end. That's fine. But I
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want to talk about fishing. My other favorite thing to do.
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Sorry, one more thing. How long was the race?
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This was a 10K. It's not my favorite distance. Oh,
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six miler. That's a tough one. Did you have to
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train for that? No, that's just a distance I can
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kind of pull out every once in a while. And
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it's a little.
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Here I am cheating myself on this where it's like,
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I signed up for a race that is not my
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preferred distance and I'm not going to go crazy training
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for it because it was like an impulse. I signed
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up like a month and a half in advance. So
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I was giving myself a pass to not be super competitive.
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And I know that younger Daniel would be like, you know,
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you can, you could also not do a race if
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you're not going to be competitive, but well, I know
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younger Daniel didn't have kids.
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I'm pretty confident that at your age, Like athletic splits
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for that or an athletic finishing time for that is
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around 40 to 45 minutes.
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God bless you. No way, man.
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You're under that?
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No. Oh. Wait.
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Well, let me see if I can guess what you were.
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You were 50... I don't want.
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Yeah, that's great. Yeah.
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That's... Yeah. Okay.
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It's... You're worse than... My dad also came to the
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race to support me because he's a runner from way back.
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be competitive in this race. I'm just going to do it.
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And he goes, 44 minutes. I'm like, no.
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No, please. Don't put a number.
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He's like, the weather's not that bad. I'm like, no,
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the weather's perfect.
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All right.
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You want to talk about fishing.
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I do want to talk about fishing.
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A thing you're actually good at.
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Sorry. This is real bad stuff. It's tangentially related to fishing.
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It's just something that I've been... It's stuff that I've
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been thinking about since Monday when I fished. And I
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was thinking about how you would react in this situation.
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Because you are... I don't want to say more confrontational
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than I am.
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I think that's fair.
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But you do often... Get in fights at gyms and
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on public transportation.
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Yeah.
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So maybe you are more– like maybe there's not a
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better word for it. It's possible you're more confrontational. Just
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not like an aggressive fighty sort of way. You will
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talk to people. You will engage with people. And I'm
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sure I've mentioned before that there is a greater population
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in the fishing community of– conservative to far right conservative
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people i mean it's a mixed bag there's all kinds
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of folks there's a lot of overlap with like people
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interested in sustainability and environmental stuff there and that they
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tend to lean pretty left there's also like a whole
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lot of pretty far right people it's.
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An older i would say the hunting and fishing community
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is pretty much yeah it's it's the the majority of
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them are right leaning.
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And you're you're taking a boat in the, in the
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middle of the week, you know, a Tuesday morning or
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whatever I'm, I'm going out, you're getting older, retired people.
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There's a lot of conservative people in that demographic. There's
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a lot of conservative people in, in where I live.
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And so I had to listen to some, some old
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timers talking and, uh, I didn't jump in, but I
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really wanted to, but it was like the second I
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got on the boat in the morning, these guys were
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just talking loudly. Um, and like, they don't, They don't
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really know each other. They just bond over being the
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same kind of guy. And the two big talking points
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that they had was, did you see what Newsom is
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doing in California with asking for all this money for
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this bridge or this rail line to nowhere? Can you
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believe it? $ 110 billion. Who could even live there? And
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then meanwhile, they don't know how to take care of
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their people. all this stuff in California. It's crazy. Who
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could live there? California, Newsom. And they produce tires, but
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you can't even use the tires. And meanwhile, this bridge
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to nowhere, Newsom, can you believe it? And then they
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pivoted from that with no segue whatsoever to, have you
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seen this man trying to play in the WNBA? It's
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crazy what they're doing over there. These men trying to
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play basketball in the WNBA. Bop, bop, bop. liberals don't
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know how to say what, uh, what a woman is.
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It's crazy. And there's great. I thought about all the
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things that I wanted to say, and I didn't, I
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was even boiling it down. Like, I didn't want to,
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I didn't want to get into how I really feel
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about the, uh, trans athletes in sports issues. Like you
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couldn't even, I didn't even want to do the talking
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points of like, well, there are no men playing in
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the WNBA and the issue of, uh, of trans athletes
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and in college sports, like that is also there. You
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are not allowed. Trans trans women are not allowed to
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play in college sports. They're not allowed to compete in
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the Olympics. That is, that is settled right now. Uh,
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so I don't know what you're upset about there. Second
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of all, um, uh, no, like, Oh, forget all that.
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All of my talking points of, of, of like, and
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you're getting out to like, It's settled. They can't compete.
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I personally think they should. I think this is a
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nuanced conversation that people who are much smarter than I
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am are trying to figure out what exactly are the
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physical advantages to going through puberty as a man and
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then transitioning after that. These are thorny issues that I
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agree require a lot of thought, and that's why people
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are doing that. But that's not the thing that you're
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mad about. You're mad at women in sports, I think.
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Or men in women's sports, I think. And I also
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want to... Like, there's a talking point of, like, this is...
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Not that the number of trans athletes should matter to
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this conversation, but for the record, it is, like, vanishingly small.
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It's so small. It's an insane thing to think about
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at all. But I didn't want to do any of
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those talking points. I think that the only thing that
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I wanted to get into after hearing these two things was...
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I want. to say like, man, you guys sure know
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a lot about California infrastructure projects and the WNBA. Do
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you think it's possible that you've been tricked by the
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news to talk about the things they want you to
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talk about? completely separate from all the stuff that like, like,
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like I disagree with you and you're going to disagree
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with me. Part of me just want to be like,
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Hey man, I just, I, I would like to gently
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point out it's seven 30 in the morning. And you're
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asking people, did they hear about this bridge bill? This, the, the, the,
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zoning permits and whatever infrastructure stuff they're trying to get
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in california and did you hear about this guy trying
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to play in the wnba and i want it like
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like sir really really think about yourself two years ago
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could you have named five players in the wnba i'm
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not sure you could do it now but there have
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just been more names that have gotten big in the
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last two years and i think yeah And, and like,
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maybe you would really prove me wrong. And he would
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be like, Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, number three, number four,
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number five, number six, the others, et cetera, et cetera.
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Maybe he's like a super fan is like, no, actually
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my daughter plays in the WNBA. And this is why I'm,
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I'm very invested in this. I think he would not
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be able to name me five players. I don't know
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that he can name me three. And certainly I don't
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think he could tell me, I think I'd give him
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a piece of paper and be like, write down, uh,
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the name of every basketball team in the WNBA. And
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I'm not positive he could do that. And I would
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just posit to him, like, why is it, do you think,
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it's what you're talking about now to strangers at 7.30
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in the morning on a boat on this beautiful day,
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on a Tuesday. I think you need to be open
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to the possibility, and I know I've talked about this
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on the show before, that you have been tricked. And
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no one likes to admit that they've been tricked. Everyone
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wants to be a little bit smarter. They watch the
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correct media and they read the right things and they're
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so discerning. But, sir, you are complaining about taxpayer money
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in California for what you are calling a bridge to nowhere.
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Is it possible that a bunch of billionaires... have tricked
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you into delivering their talking points for them. You are
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the street team for News Nation.
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Boots on the ground.
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Do you feel good about that? Do you feel good
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about being tricked? I don't say any of these things, Soren.
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I don't say anything. Another guy eventually says, I think
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all he was talking is scaring the fish away. There's
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a lot of liberal fish down there. All right, this guy. Hooray.
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Great. Now, you didn't say anything, but I'm in agreement
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with you. You shouldn't have said anything. That's not a
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situation that calls for an argument on your part because, boy,
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you're not going to change any minds. And then it's
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just going to be a fight. And then it's going
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to be a fight that no one can win, just
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this pyrrhic fight that has no solutions to it because
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he's not going to say something that's going to make
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you go, Oh, fuck, yeah, you're right. I should look
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into Newsom a little bit more. And you're certainly not
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going to convince him of anything.
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So you're right.
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You were absolutely right to do nothing.
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I was close, because they talk so much about younger generations,
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they don't want to work, and they just want a
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piece of what everyone else gets. Part of me is
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genuinely impressed at the... the success of the right-wing propaganda machine.
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Just how, like, deeply these talking points have taken root.
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And the younger generation, you know, they just need to work.
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You know, these kids, they come out and they, you know,
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just get a job and stick to the job and
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then you'll.
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Buy a house.
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And we're like, a house on my street. And I
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live fucking nowhere. A house on my street is going
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for a million dollars right now in the suburbs of
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New Jersey and not one of the big fancy places.
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A million dollars. The average cost of a home is $ 712, 000.
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You bought your house for $ 3, 800 or something fucking insane
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in the past. And we're saying how the kids, you know,
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these kids, no work ethic. They just need to go
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to school. Just got to go to school. and get
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a degree and you'll get a job and then you'll
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get your house. Then you'll get all that stuff. Got
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to get a real, got to get a degree in something.
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Can't get, you're not going to get a, Oh, what
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are the, what exactly did you say? You're not going
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to get a job. You study what? Uh, advanced reading books. No,
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you need to do a real thing. And I like,
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I majored in advanced reading books. I majored in advanced
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reading books.
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Okay. I love these guys.
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By the way.
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Yeah. It does seem like there's the misinformation is it
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does seem like I mean, not to get too political
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on this podcast, but like the misinformation really does skew
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in one direction a lot. Topics like hot button topics
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like immigration and transgender and like these things. They're all
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fighting these straw man arguments that's like, if Democrats had
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their way, all the players in sports would actually be
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boys in dresses. And immigration– the Democrats just want to
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open the border and let anybody in. And it's like
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no one on earth is saying these things. No one
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is saying these things. Not even the most extreme people
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on the left are saying these things. They're saying, no,
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they're just– I just don't like what you're doing. I
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think that what you're doing is dehumanizing and awful and
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that you're, there's a, you're intentionally cruel towards groups of
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people and it doesn't have to be that way. Um,
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and that's never going to be, they're never going to
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understand that. Whereas I think, I mean, these guys are
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not the, the, these guys don't represent the broad array
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of the right, but, policy says what they want because
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the policy is what they're making right now and the
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policy sucks the policy is violent and cruel yeah and
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so it's like no i don't want that i think
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00:26:51.500 --> 00:26:59.140
there's a better way to do it i'm fighting this
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war on your behalf with these guys who aren't even
483
00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:02.569
in the room so i guess i don't know what
484
00:27:02.589 --> 00:27:04.950
i'm doing um but i think you're right not to
485
00:27:04.970 --> 00:27:06.529
broach the issue with them.
486
00:27:07.230 --> 00:27:10.730
I think so too i mean there's there there will
487
00:27:10.769 --> 00:27:15.539
always be a part of me that is like start
488
00:27:16.059 --> 00:27:20.240
start local with everything use use your platform even if
489
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.319
your platform is like you're stuck on a boat for
490
00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:26.029
six hours with someone use that meaningfully to try to
491
00:27:26.849 --> 00:27:29.410
change your mind and like don't come at it i'm
492
00:27:29.450 --> 00:27:34.369
not gonna don't don't ask for the moon don't come
493
00:27:34.410 --> 00:27:39.140
out there with with numbers of trans athletes in in
494
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:43.089
sports right now just like What, what is a, what,
495
00:27:44.309 --> 00:27:45.940
how can I get through to this person in the,
496
00:27:46.069 --> 00:27:48.589
in the tiniest way? How can I try to change
497
00:27:48.630 --> 00:27:53.930
a mind today? Um, that's, that's me being all talk.
498
00:27:53.970 --> 00:27:56.569
That's what I, I, I like to think I am, but,
499
00:27:56.890 --> 00:27:59.650
but here in a moment trapped on a boat with
500
00:27:59.670 --> 00:28:02.990
a guy, it was like, ah, just let him, let
501
00:28:03.029 --> 00:28:09.980
him be wrong. I mean, yep. He'll, he'll be dead. Right. Soon.
502
00:28:12.890 --> 00:28:14.210
Soon he'll stop voting.
503
00:28:14.230 --> 00:28:19.430
He's going to eat some fucking expired Argentinian steak. And
504
00:28:19.450 --> 00:28:24.160
he's not going to be here much longer. No, I
505
00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:27.480
understand that. I'm glad, though, that you didn't get in
506
00:28:27.500 --> 00:28:30.640
a fight, Dan. That's great. I continue to get in fights.
507
00:28:32.299 --> 00:28:34.500
But it's always much smaller than that.
508
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:38.220
If there's a victory I could take from it, Soren,
509
00:28:39.579 --> 00:28:42.869
on that boat, on that day, you'd think I was
510
00:28:43.829 --> 00:28:47.529
dropping my bait into a bucket of fucking fish. I
511
00:28:47.569 --> 00:28:52.890
could not take a breath. I couldn't take a second
512
00:28:53.289 --> 00:28:56.549
to sip my beer or text my dad that things
513
00:28:56.589 --> 00:28:58.809
were going well or text my wife that I miss
514
00:28:58.829 --> 00:29:00.849
her and I hate the guy next to me because
515
00:29:00.890 --> 00:29:03.890
every time I was dropping something down there, I'm getting bites,
516
00:29:03.990 --> 00:29:06.289
and this guy next to me was not catching shit.
517
00:29:07.690 --> 00:29:09.279
It's Mother Nature favoring you.
518
00:29:09.380 --> 00:29:10.880
She was like, I'll give up a few fish for
519
00:29:10.900 --> 00:29:11.240
this guy.
520
00:29:11.579 --> 00:29:14.559
Yeah. You're doing a good job, buddy.
521
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:17.559
You're doing great. I'm just so good at.
522
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:24.000
It's because I was an A student studying advanced reading
523
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:26.700
that I could just read the tides and I could
524
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:29.450
read the lines and I know when a fish is
525
00:29:29.569 --> 00:29:31.190
on the hook and I can set them.
526
00:29:32.269 --> 00:29:37.809
You just... The line speaks to you. That's beautiful. Two
527
00:29:37.849 --> 00:29:42.130
creatures tied by a single thread of monofilament.
528
00:29:42.670 --> 00:29:46.299
Sure. Gorgeous. Look at you. Look at you. You're, you're,
529
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:48.500
you're breaking a story today. So we're in.
530
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:53.200
Um, well, I, I wanted to talk to you actually
531
00:29:53.220 --> 00:29:58.079
about the amount of, um, fishing, um, arguing that I
532
00:29:58.099 --> 00:30:02.009
do with strangers. Um, I, as you know, one of
533
00:30:02.029 --> 00:30:03.849
my favorite pastimes is yelling at people on my street
534
00:30:03.869 --> 00:30:06.369
who are going too fast. We were walking home from
535
00:30:06.410 --> 00:30:09.690
the park last night and it was getting dark and
536
00:30:10.329 --> 00:30:12.710
we were crossing the cross at the crosswalk and a
537
00:30:12.750 --> 00:30:15.690
car just blew through the stop sign, blew past us,
538
00:30:15.730 --> 00:30:17.930
but had their window open. So I was like, perfect.
539
00:30:18.410 --> 00:30:21.690
So I'm, I, I have my daughter's hand and I
540
00:30:21.730 --> 00:30:23.630
start yelling at this car and I'm like, Hey, let
541
00:30:24.190 --> 00:30:26.450
me get away from the mic. I'm like, Hey, Hey, Hey,
542
00:30:26.509 --> 00:30:29.690
slow down. Stop sign, stop sign. Like that kind of thing.
543
00:30:30.890 --> 00:30:33.690
As soon as I yell the first, hey, I feel
544
00:30:33.730 --> 00:30:37.710
my daughter flinch in my hand. And I was like, oh,
545
00:30:38.789 --> 00:30:42.509
I think this probably isn't neurologically good for my children
546
00:30:42.549 --> 00:30:46.730
to hear me yelling so regularly. Because they don't know
547
00:30:46.769 --> 00:30:49.289
what it is at first, but I'm using that dad voice.
548
00:30:49.309 --> 00:30:51.150
So they don't know if it's done something they've done,
549
00:30:51.509 --> 00:30:54.910
which is even more heartbreaking because it means that frequently...
550
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.680
I've probably yelled at them when they didn't know they
551
00:30:57.720 --> 00:30:59.980
were doing something wrong. It was like, I got mad
552
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:01.940
at them for their own ignorance, which was like not
553
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:03.579
a fair, not a fair thing to get mad at
554
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:08.059
your child for. And so I, like, as soon as
555
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:10.119
I did it, I was like, Oh shit, I can't
556
00:31:10.220 --> 00:31:12.279
do this in front of them. I think it, and
557
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:13.740
I was like, are you okay? I was asking her
558
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:16.039
and she's like, I'm fine. At first I thought you
559
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:19.299
were mad at me. And I was like, but she
560
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:20.940
wasn't crying or anything. She was like laughing about it.
561
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:22.960
And I was like, I'm not, I'm going to try
562
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:26.829
not to do that anymore. And, uh, I don't want
563
00:31:26.869 --> 00:31:31.349
to be in a situation where they think that that's like,
564
00:31:31.369 --> 00:31:32.910
they don't, cause they're not going to know. They don't
565
00:31:32.930 --> 00:31:34.930
have the same set of like ethics built in from
566
00:31:34.930 --> 00:31:37.690
44 years that I do. So if a child or
567
00:31:37.710 --> 00:31:40.109
somebody else does something that they perceive as being wrong,
568
00:31:40.210 --> 00:31:44.890
that they're wrong, but they're wrong and they start yelling
569
00:31:44.910 --> 00:31:47.460
at somebody, oh, that's a bad look. That's a real
570
00:31:47.500 --> 00:31:50.279
bad look. Um, and, but my daughter did say, I
571
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:52.910
want to, she's like, I'll, next time we do it,
572
00:31:52.940 --> 00:31:54.619
I want to do it with you. She wants to
573
00:31:54.700 --> 00:31:56.980
clap and yell at a car. And I was like,
574
00:31:59.170 --> 00:32:00.910
I don't think we should do this anymore. I think
575
00:32:00.950 --> 00:32:02.109
I'm done yelling at cars.
576
00:32:03.569 --> 00:32:07.509
It's occurring to me that there's not a ton of
577
00:32:08.690 --> 00:32:12.500
consistency and training that I'm doing with my five-month-old son,
578
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:16.940
but he might start gesturing for cars to slow down
579
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.549
because that like, He sees me do that every single day.
580
00:32:21.589 --> 00:32:23.950
I'm not always there for tummy time. I don't get
581
00:32:23.990 --> 00:32:25.990
to read every book over and over again as I'd
582
00:32:26.029 --> 00:32:28.509
like to, but I'm always holding him in my arms
583
00:32:28.549 --> 00:32:31.170
and telling cars to slow down. That might be the
584
00:32:31.250 --> 00:32:32.069
only thing he knows.
585
00:32:32.089 --> 00:32:34.099
It's just how to look at a phone and tell
586
00:32:34.170 --> 00:32:39.170
cars to slow down. What a joy fatherhood is. Yeah,
587
00:32:39.460 --> 00:32:42.640
it just didn't feel right. I've also been in a
588
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:45.220
car with my son before where somebody made a bad
589
00:32:45.700 --> 00:32:48.140
decision on the road and then.
590
00:32:48.690 --> 00:32:50.390
And what did you tell that driver to do, Soren?
591
00:32:50.650 --> 00:32:54.589
I think you've mentioned this before. But just in.
592
00:32:54.569 --> 00:32:57.750
Case our listeners... I think I told him to suck
593
00:32:57.769 --> 00:32:58.150
my dick.
594
00:32:58.509 --> 00:33:00.849
Yeah, you did.
595
00:33:01.769 --> 00:33:05.940
But I'm arguing with this guy, and he's outside my car,
596
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:07.839
and I have to be loud because we're shouting through.
597
00:33:07.859 --> 00:33:10.279
I've got to reach all the way through his passenger
598
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:13.759
window to him and explain the situation. And the guy
599
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:17.259
realized in that moment that he was wrong. And did
600
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:19.670
one of these, like, hands up, like, okay, all right.
601
00:33:21.029 --> 00:33:22.509
And then I looked back at my son. And I
602
00:33:22.529 --> 00:33:29.269
was like, hey, hey, was that scary? And he was like, yes.
603
00:33:29.809 --> 00:33:31.170
And I was like, would you rather I don't do that?
604
00:33:31.190 --> 00:33:34.029
And he was like, yes. And I was like, 100%.
605
00:33:34.029 --> 00:33:36.839
I won't ever do that again. I'm so sorry. It's
606
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:39.839
not good for your children to see you super angry,
607
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:42.519
I don't think. Fights, fine.
608
00:33:42.619 --> 00:33:44.200
Even when you're justified, though.
609
00:33:44.779 --> 00:33:47.859
I know, I know that righteous indignation, it should be
610
00:33:47.900 --> 00:33:52.359
something that we should all have. Um, but, uh, I
611
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:56.869
don't mind them seeing me argue with Colleen. Um, that's,
612
00:33:56.990 --> 00:33:59.509
I think actually super healthy, healthy for kids to see
613
00:33:59.569 --> 00:34:02.349
parents argue and then come to some sort of conclusion
614
00:34:02.390 --> 00:34:05.869
together and resolution and like mending bridges is so important.
615
00:34:06.250 --> 00:34:09.239
So like teach telling everyone. So nobody wants to apologize
616
00:34:09.260 --> 00:34:11.619
to their kids because they feel like they shouldn't have to, but,
617
00:34:12.510 --> 00:34:15.460
kids embrace an apology super well. They bounce back from it.
618
00:34:15.469 --> 00:34:17.309
Like if you do something, you, you flip out on
619
00:34:17.349 --> 00:34:19.889
them cause you're overstimulated or you're hungry or whatever. And like,
620
00:34:19.909 --> 00:34:22.250
they've done one little thing that you didn't like. And
621
00:34:22.269 --> 00:34:24.550
you're like, what? You cannot just stand in the middle
622
00:34:24.570 --> 00:34:26.829
of the sidewalk like that. You're dancing into people like
623
00:34:26.869 --> 00:34:28.869
you get over here, get over this. Like you're yelling
624
00:34:28.909 --> 00:34:33.610
at them to afterwards be like, Hey, I'm really sorry.
625
00:34:33.750 --> 00:34:36.949
I overreacted there. And like, walk it back. Kids are like, yeah,
626
00:34:37.309 --> 00:34:39.929
thank you. That's like, they're, they're, they're open to that.
627
00:34:40.210 --> 00:34:44.530
And It's a really helpful display of what to do
628
00:34:44.570 --> 00:34:47.409
to solve a problem when somebody is angry at you
629
00:34:47.449 --> 00:34:49.070
for a justified reason. Yeah.
630
00:34:49.349 --> 00:34:53.260
It's one of those interesting things that we train children
631
00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:56.719
to say, I'm sorry when they make a mistake. And
632
00:34:56.739 --> 00:35:00.059
we tell them that it makes everything better. And then
633
00:35:00.860 --> 00:35:05.420
they do that. They intuit that lesson. Even though once
634
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.519
they get older... they'll learn it's not true.
635
00:35:13.429 --> 00:35:17.429
There are times where, because saying you're sorry is fucking hard.
636
00:35:17.630 --> 00:35:19.869
It's really hard to do. As a kid, I think
637
00:35:19.909 --> 00:35:22.389
it's much easier because you're supposed to be messing up.
638
00:35:22.630 --> 00:35:24.510
And I think that they know that. I think they
639
00:35:24.530 --> 00:35:26.550
at least understand like, oh, I wasn't supposed to do that.
640
00:35:26.769 --> 00:35:30.389
I'm sorry. And they will say sorry. But for an adult,
641
00:35:30.469 --> 00:35:34.329
it's really tough, especially when you mess up around another adult.
642
00:35:34.409 --> 00:35:39.489
So when I'm shouting it cars I'm not expecting them
643
00:35:39.570 --> 00:35:42.610
to be immediately like oh I didn't realize I was
644
00:35:42.650 --> 00:35:45.070
going that fast I'm so sorry I want them they're
645
00:35:45.090 --> 00:35:46.949
gonna get angry I know they're gonna get angry I
646
00:35:46.989 --> 00:35:48.449
know that they might even stop and yell for a
647
00:35:48.469 --> 00:35:53.050
little bit but I know that when they cool off
648
00:35:53.090 --> 00:35:54.690
and they have time to think back they can be
649
00:35:54.710 --> 00:35:57.489
like oh you know what I was wrong there because
650
00:35:57.510 --> 00:35:59.969
that's what I do all the time I'm gonna replay
651
00:36:00.010 --> 00:36:01.909
the argument in my head over and over again I'm
652
00:36:01.929 --> 00:36:11.719
gonna be like oh shit I was wrong there I
653
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:14.510
do want to tell you one specific story that happened
654
00:36:14.530 --> 00:36:17.809
to get at whole foods. Maybe I, I don't think
655
00:36:17.849 --> 00:36:20.010
I told you this happened to get a whole foods.
656
00:36:21.250 --> 00:36:24.650
They gotta, they gotta just ban you from that place.
657
00:36:25.670 --> 00:36:27.369
I don't think it's good for anyone that you can
658
00:36:27.829 --> 00:36:29.269
go in and out of there whenever you want.
659
00:36:29.530 --> 00:36:33.210
I stopped a fight at whole foods. Remember I caught,
660
00:36:33.250 --> 00:36:36.070
I kept somebody from getting hit by an electric guitar
661
00:36:36.349 --> 00:36:40.969
at whole foods and no one bought me a salad. Um,
662
00:36:42.300 --> 00:36:46.750
This is a circumstance where maybe my own body awareness
663
00:36:47.429 --> 00:36:49.730
was just off that day or something. But I went
664
00:36:49.750 --> 00:36:52.309
into Whole Foods, got my salad. I was leaving. And
665
00:36:52.429 --> 00:36:56.210
got pretty far away. I was like a block or
666
00:36:56.250 --> 00:36:58.679
two away. And I'm crossing the street. And this woman
667
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.679
comes running up. And she's like, excuse me, sir. Excuse me.
668
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:03.739
And I was like, yeah. And she's like, I don't
669
00:37:03.780 --> 00:37:05.860
know if you're having a bad day or whatever. Or
670
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:07.699
if you were trying to intimidate me. But that was
671
00:37:07.739 --> 00:37:12.480
completely inappropriate. And I was like, oh, no. oh my God, what,
672
00:37:12.619 --> 00:37:14.300
what did it, what, can you tell me what you're
673
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.239
talking about? And she was like, um, the, what you
674
00:37:17.260 --> 00:37:19.889
just did there, it, where you stepped right in front
675
00:37:19.929 --> 00:37:23.250
of me and stopped, were you trying to intimidate me?
676
00:37:23.849 --> 00:37:25.949
Is that what you're trying to do? And I was like, I,
677
00:37:26.090 --> 00:37:28.230
I'm so sorry. I didn't even realize I did that
678
00:37:28.789 --> 00:37:30.489
in the whole foods. And she was like, yeah, in
679
00:37:30.510 --> 00:37:36.389
the champagne aisle. And I was like, wait, I'm holding
680
00:37:36.429 --> 00:37:39.929
this salad. And I'm like, do you mean the salad aisle?
681
00:37:40.969 --> 00:37:44.500
She was like, no. And she was like, if it
682
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:47.659
was a mistake, maybe it's a mistake, but you need
683
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:49.980
to be more aware. And I was like, you're absolutely right.
684
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:53.099
I'm so sorry. Just so it doesn't happen in the future,
685
00:37:53.139 --> 00:37:57.219
can you lay out for me what happened? Because at
686
00:37:57.260 --> 00:37:59.539
this point I'm like, oh, fuck, she's got the wrong guy.
687
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.260
And she tells a story about somebody in the aisle
688
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:05.800
standing next to her, they're looking at stuff, and then
689
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.280
he stands And then as she goes to reach for something,
690
00:38:08.340 --> 00:38:10.099
he steps in front of her and moves her hand
691
00:38:10.139 --> 00:38:12.579
out of the way with his body. And I was like,
692
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:17.719
that sounds terrible. I'm so sorry that that happened. Thank
693
00:38:17.739 --> 00:38:20.699
you for letting me know. And then she walked away.
694
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:24.519
And I was so fucking good, Dan, that I wasn't like,
695
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:26.440
you got the wrong dude.
696
00:38:26.940 --> 00:38:28.900
You suck. God, that's crazy.
697
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:33.139
I just let her have the moment, which is what
698
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:35.800
I want. I mean, ultimately, if I'm angry at somebody...
699
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:38.300
I don't think I've got the wrong person generally, but sure,
700
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:43.219
it's possible. And I start, I'm hot and I'm coming
701
00:38:43.260 --> 00:38:44.599
at them and I'm like, you can't do that. You
702
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:47.340
can't do that in a society. And if they did that,
703
00:38:47.429 --> 00:38:50.809
if they were like, oh shit, I'm so sorry. I'm
704
00:38:50.849 --> 00:38:53.269
so sorry. I won't do that again. I would cool off.
705
00:38:53.449 --> 00:38:56.170
I'd go from 100 to zero immediately. I would be like,
706
00:38:57.210 --> 00:39:01.550
I'm sorry too. I'd be like, no, I owe you something.
707
00:39:01.889 --> 00:39:05.590
Because that was amazing. What a complete lack of ego.
708
00:39:05.630 --> 00:39:09.090
I love that. So I was trying to embody what
709
00:39:09.170 --> 00:39:11.710
I wanted to hear and she needed to hear it
710
00:39:11.769 --> 00:39:13.590
from somebody and she wasn't going to go find that
711
00:39:13.630 --> 00:39:15.010
guy because she had no idea what he looked like.
712
00:39:15.090 --> 00:39:15.630
This poor fucking dope.
713
00:39:15.670 --> 00:39:16.789
And so I was like, I'll give her what she needs.
714
00:39:17.570 --> 00:39:21.170
I'll give her exactly what she wants from this. And
715
00:39:21.829 --> 00:39:24.650
it went good because afterwards she was like, okay, just
716
00:39:24.670 --> 00:39:26.670
be more aware next time and walked away and that
717
00:39:26.690 --> 00:39:28.630
was the end of it. What I wouldn't have stood
718
00:39:28.710 --> 00:39:31.679
for is if she wasn't. have said she would have
719
00:39:31.699 --> 00:39:34.219
just kept going she would have stayed hot yeah if
720
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.239
I because even in my relationship if I apologize to
721
00:39:37.260 --> 00:39:39.289
my wife which I feel like I'm being a very
722
00:39:39.329 --> 00:39:41.190
big boy when I do it when I let I'm
723
00:39:41.210 --> 00:39:43.570
like hey I came in too hot there that was
724
00:39:43.849 --> 00:39:45.349
inappropriate and it was in front of the kids I'm
725
00:39:45.389 --> 00:39:50.690
sorry if she would continue to drill down on it
726
00:39:50.889 --> 00:39:53.969
and like, and pull out different instances of also that
727
00:39:54.010 --> 00:39:57.050
were wrong. I would be like, we're not, no, no, no, no.
728
00:39:57.070 --> 00:39:59.469
I was a big boy. Right.
729
00:39:59.570 --> 00:40:00.670
I came to you as a big boy.
730
00:40:00.690 --> 00:40:03.179
And in fact, I've got bad news for you. I'm
731
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:05.039
not sorry. I was never sorry.
732
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.900
So if she would have continued to be angry at
733
00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:13.800
me for something that I didn't do, I would have
734
00:40:13.820 --> 00:40:15.840
been like, I would have told her that it wasn't me.
735
00:40:16.699 --> 00:40:20.920
And That seems tougher to dig out of because then
736
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.360
she'd be like, why did you say thank you for
737
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:27.639
letting me know? I was trying to give you a gift.
738
00:40:27.900 --> 00:40:30.420
Because I thought you were dumb. I thought you were
739
00:40:30.460 --> 00:40:34.320
some little dummy, dope moron.
740
00:40:34.849 --> 00:40:35.590
I still think that.
741
00:40:35.769 --> 00:40:37.489
Don't even know what guys look like.
742
00:40:41.750 --> 00:40:45.619
Yeah, I was like, first of all, It's like 11
743
00:40:45.619 --> 00:40:48.110
in the morning. What are you doing buying champagne right now?
744
00:40:48.150 --> 00:40:49.550
What are we celebrating?
745
00:40:51.630 --> 00:40:54.170
Ma'am, no, you didn't run into me in the champagne aisle.
746
00:40:54.530 --> 00:40:55.530
Have a salad.
747
00:40:59.510 --> 00:41:01.869
I don't know what the circumstances were. Maybe somebody was
748
00:41:02.030 --> 00:41:05.150
being truly cruel to her and that's totally possible. But
749
00:41:05.170 --> 00:41:07.050
I think what she really, I gave her what she needed.
750
00:41:07.090 --> 00:41:11.489
That's 100% possible. Yeah. She needed to have an apology
751
00:41:11.710 --> 00:41:14.699
and she needed somebody who was just like, hey, you
752
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.670
were right to follow me these two blocks and get this.
753
00:41:17.869 --> 00:41:19.769
I hope that feels good. And so I gave it
754
00:41:19.789 --> 00:41:23.289
to her. I belong at the Whole Foods, Dan. I'm
755
00:41:23.329 --> 00:41:25.570
a hero there. I'm a fucking hero at the Whole Foods.
756
00:41:25.590 --> 00:41:26.630
I don't know. I think.
757
00:41:26.650 --> 00:41:29.719
Well, the iced tea thing was a debacle.
758
00:41:29.860 --> 00:41:31.860
I think a case is being built against you. I
759
00:41:31.900 --> 00:41:33.059
think there's a lot of.
760
00:41:36.579 --> 00:41:42.409
In the season-long arc of your life, a lot of
761
00:41:43.590 --> 00:41:47.570
seeds are being planted for the season finale to have
762
00:41:47.590 --> 00:41:50.429
a whole lot of Whole Foods people real mad at
763
00:41:50.469 --> 00:41:56.369
you converging at once as the guy who was involved
764
00:41:56.750 --> 00:42:00.030
in everything that happened at Whole Foods this year, all
765
00:42:00.429 --> 00:42:03.650
the iced tea stuff. And he was party to a
766
00:42:03.710 --> 00:42:06.949
fight and he was intimidating this dumb moron woman in
767
00:42:06.989 --> 00:42:10.909
the champagne aisle at 11 in the morning. And whatever
768
00:42:10.949 --> 00:42:13.369
other things that I've forgotten about, like all these little
769
00:42:13.389 --> 00:42:16.230
like unrelated bits and pieces that the writers have been
770
00:42:16.269 --> 00:42:19.860
like sneaking in in the background of the A story.
771
00:42:19.940 --> 00:42:21.599
There are ones I don't even tell you about. There's like,
772
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:24.760
there's people with clipboards outside there for the Nature Conservancy.
773
00:42:24.820 --> 00:42:26.679
And I have, I'm a member of the Nature Conservancy.
774
00:42:26.699 --> 00:42:29.139
So like I'm donating there monthly. But so when I
775
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.940
get pestered by them, I'm like, let's not do this.
776
00:42:32.059 --> 00:42:35.480
I'm already like a member of the Nature Conservancy. I like,
777
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:36.179
we're good.
778
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:36.599
We're good.
779
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:40.289
At one point, one of them was like, oh, if
780
00:42:40.329 --> 00:42:43.250
that's the case, Oh, first of all, the first thing
781
00:42:43.289 --> 00:42:44.869
they always say is like, Oh, you're already a hero.
782
00:42:45.429 --> 00:42:47.730
And I'm like, well, don't be fucking pedantic with me.
783
00:42:47.750 --> 00:42:50.780
I don't like, don't want to hear that. Um, but
784
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:52.780
they're like, Oh, if that's the case, you just say
785
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:54.880
mango to us. That's like a code word, which just
786
00:42:54.900 --> 00:42:58.559
means leave us alone. Leave me alone. I'm a member already,
787
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:01.239
or I've already said I've already given you money. And
788
00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:03.579
I was like, great. That's wonderful. That's great advice.
789
00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:05.980
I don't think you're allowed to say that on the podcast.
790
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:07.760
I think a lot of people, a lot of the
791
00:43:07.780 --> 00:43:09.139
wrong people are going to learn this lesson.
792
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.179
Yeah, but it's not a good lesson because then a
793
00:43:12.340 --> 00:43:16.309
completely different person later on, Nature Conservancy again, was like
794
00:43:16.489 --> 00:43:18.809
calling me over and I went, mango. And she went, what?
795
00:43:19.030 --> 00:43:19.949
And I went, mango.
796
00:43:20.150 --> 00:43:21.409
Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
797
00:43:21.849 --> 00:43:25.489
And I kept saying it louder and louder. And the
798
00:43:25.530 --> 00:43:28.559
person thought I was a lunatic. And she was like, sir,
799
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.360
I don't know what that means. I was like, oh,
800
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:33.340
it means you're supposed to leave me alone. Yeah.
801
00:43:35.230 --> 00:43:37.030
It works in other contexts.
802
00:43:37.570 --> 00:43:42.989
And then I kept explaining what the situation was. And
803
00:43:43.050 --> 00:43:44.389
I was like, isn't that true? Isn't that true that
804
00:43:44.420 --> 00:43:48.059
you say mango? And she's like, I've never heard that
805
00:43:48.099 --> 00:43:51.420
in my life. And I was like, that person completely
806
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:51.900
set me up.
807
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.159
And I'm good to them. Good on them. That's a hero.
808
00:43:54.260 --> 00:43:56.980
Kudos for setting me up. But yeah, that would be
809
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.480
in the rest. When I get confronted at the pearly
810
00:43:59.500 --> 00:44:01.880
gates of Whole Foods and I go through all the
811
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:06.070
sins that I've committed there, that's in there. Yeah. Me
812
00:44:06.190 --> 00:44:08.989
outside the restaurant with sushi in my hand shouting mango
813
00:44:09.030 --> 00:44:10.670
at another human being. For sure.
814
00:44:11.210 --> 00:44:16.010
I have an interaction that I don't feel great about. Me,
815
00:44:16.070 --> 00:44:21.530
who never says anything to anyone. I was out front
816
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:23.880
with my boy as we do. We look at the
817
00:44:23.909 --> 00:44:26.260
cars and there's a lot of slow down. There's also
818
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:31.079
a lot of red truck, white car. Just saying the
819
00:44:31.139 --> 00:44:35.219
things that we see. And in addition to cars often
820
00:44:35.420 --> 00:44:40.320
going down my street way too fast, it's also a
821
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:47.440
popular street among bicyclists. And I don't... This is a community...
822
00:44:46.900 --> 00:44:50.579
I have my conflicts with the fishing community, obviously, because
823
00:44:50.619 --> 00:44:56.159
there's like some ideological gaps there. And we just happen
824
00:44:56.179 --> 00:44:59.519
to share this one thing that we love. Biking community...
825
00:44:59.860 --> 00:45:02.480
Of which I was a part when I lived in
826
00:45:02.500 --> 00:45:04.730
Los Angeles and I was only biking. And I would
827
00:45:04.769 --> 00:45:07.909
go to meetings about bike lanes and how we can
828
00:45:07.949 --> 00:45:09.929
get more money for bike lanes and more support and
829
00:45:09.949 --> 00:45:12.929
what we needed to do to get bike lanes going
830
00:45:13.210 --> 00:45:18.480
because bikes are good. I have so much ideological love
831
00:45:18.699 --> 00:45:22.059
for bicyclists and I still have a bike and bike
832
00:45:22.099 --> 00:45:27.010
from time to time. I don't like them. I don't
833
00:45:27.050 --> 00:45:30.349
like most of the people who ride bikes, even though
834
00:45:30.449 --> 00:45:32.730
part of me is like, how do you not like
835
00:45:32.829 --> 00:45:38.809
someone who is, A, exercising, and B, saving the environment
836
00:45:38.889 --> 00:45:41.110
with their travel? And it's like, it's easy. It's because
837
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:46.780
they're unsafe and they're assholes and they make every driver
838
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:49.420
nervous everywhere and they take up so much space. So
839
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:53.840
I have my conflicts with bicyclists. And part of that
840
00:45:54.099 --> 00:45:59.699
is the ones that go down my street uh i
841
00:45:59.739 --> 00:46:04.860
don't think anyone riding a bike is aware when they're
842
00:46:04.900 --> 00:46:08.920
talking to the other people on bikes that they're shouting
843
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:13.079
and their their voices carry they're just shouting down my
844
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.539
street and i'm sitting on the porch either trying to
845
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:19.780
read a book or work on my porch or just
846
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.619
sit with my boy and and get him to nap
847
00:46:22.980 --> 00:46:26.030
in our rocking chair and then the bikers are are
848
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:31.599
screaming to each other about whatever. It's like every conversation,
849
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:34.860
no matter how boring, just becomes a yell because they're
850
00:46:34.900 --> 00:46:36.500
trying to hear each other over the sounds of their
851
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:43.489
stupid bikes and the 10-yard gap between the bikes. So
852
00:46:43.550 --> 00:46:46.150
I'm with my son, and I'm narrating what's going on,
853
00:46:46.449 --> 00:46:49.239
and I hear some bikers coming around, because of course
854
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:53.320
I do. And I'm doing like, ooh, big red truck. Ooh,
855
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:56.300
garbage truck. Ooh, here come the loud bikers. Oh, they're
856
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:58.840
taking up the whole street. And they all stopped talking
857
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:02.820
and look at me as they ride by. Oh, I
858
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:04.380
guess my voice carries too.
859
00:47:04.940 --> 00:47:09.800
And they didn't speak again.
860
00:47:09.820 --> 00:47:12.920
And I'm sure they felt self-conscious about it. And I'm
861
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:16.360
sure I seemed very brazen to be holding a baby
862
00:47:16.530 --> 00:47:18.849
and say, here come the loud bikers taking up the
863
00:47:18.889 --> 00:47:25.760
whole street. I'd be like, oh, I couldn't hear you.
864
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:27.179
I was just teaching him about.
865
00:47:27.969 --> 00:47:28.730
How terrible you are.
866
00:47:28.769 --> 00:47:29.670
About assholes.
867
00:47:29.809 --> 00:47:34.469
I'm teaching him to be bigoted towards bikers. Yeah, I'm
868
00:47:34.510 --> 00:47:35.170
not with you on that one.
869
00:47:35.469 --> 00:47:37.650
No, I feel great about it.
870
00:47:44.570 --> 00:47:46.719
I bike a lot. So I bike every single day,
871
00:47:46.739 --> 00:47:50.300
pretty much. And when I do it, I am... I'm
872
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:54.119
trying to just be as small... and out of the
873
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:57.119
way as possible. So when bikers are not that, when
874
00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:01.940
bikers are, for all intents and purposes, riding safer than
875
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.429
I do because I'm like hogging the curb. When they're
876
00:48:05.449 --> 00:48:07.739
riding and they're actually taking up a quarter of the
877
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:10.949
lane or whatever, and all the cars are backed up
878
00:48:10.989 --> 00:48:16.090
behind them, I'm like, ride like me. Ride like me.
879
00:48:16.750 --> 00:48:19.730
Don't do it this way. I know that it's legal.
880
00:48:20.500 --> 00:48:22.599
I know that this is the way we're all supposed
881
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:25.179
to share these lanes, but that includes you sharing the
882
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:28.539
lane too. You have to do your part.
883
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:31.659
You are the platonic ideal of bike rider, and there
884
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:34.300
are many like you, but there are so many more
885
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:36.139
that are.
886
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:40.989
There's a lot of people who aren't on bikes often,
887
00:48:41.329 --> 00:48:46.010
especially in the city, in New York. I don't know
888
00:48:46.050 --> 00:48:51.250
how big city bike... rentals are in Los Angeles, but
889
00:48:51.269 --> 00:48:53.449
in New York, there's, there's plenty of people on city
890
00:48:53.469 --> 00:48:57.050
bikes and you could tell it's, it's their first time
891
00:48:57.070 --> 00:49:00.199
in a long time on a bike. So that's a
892
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.380
lot of people in bike lanes. And a lot of
893
00:49:02.409 --> 00:49:07.820
other people are like, I don't know, like probably delivery
894
00:49:08.460 --> 00:49:12.179
professionals or messengers. And they're some of the most reckless
895
00:49:13.099 --> 00:49:15.599
riders I've ever seen. Cause they're just going so fast
896
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:19.300
and they're weaving in and out of things. And every
897
00:49:19.340 --> 00:49:22.539
time you see them and the novices and you see
898
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:27.159
people without helmets I saw bikers going down my street
899
00:49:28.619 --> 00:49:32.000
it was a father in the front and two or
900
00:49:32.059 --> 00:49:35.219
three kids in the middle and in the back a
901
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.860
woman who was on the phone on her bike and
902
00:49:37.909 --> 00:49:40.360
not like Not that there's a good way to be
903
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:44.300
on the phone, but she definitely wasn't doing the AirPods thing.
904
00:49:44.739 --> 00:49:47.920
And she wasn't even doing like, I'm holding the phone
905
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:50.050
with one hand. I don't know if that would be safer.
906
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:52.690
She's doing that. I'm going to pin the phone to
907
00:49:52.730 --> 00:49:56.550
my shoulder with my head and talk like this while
908
00:49:56.590 --> 00:50:02.400
riding the bike. And I just feel like those are the...
909
00:50:04.170 --> 00:50:07.030
those are the most visible bikers are these ones that,
910
00:50:07.050 --> 00:50:11.780
that seem and are unsafe and always make every driver
911
00:50:11.860 --> 00:50:14.420
behind them like, fuck now I'm stuck behind this biker
912
00:50:14.500 --> 00:50:16.500
and I never know what they're going to do. And
913
00:50:17.139 --> 00:50:23.219
almost every driver has had multiple experiences where a biker
914
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:27.780
has screwed up in front of them and made traffic,
915
00:50:28.429 --> 00:50:32.070
made driving scary for a little bit. That's true. And it's,
916
00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:36.400
And that's why it always seems cosmically unfair and you
917
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:40.780
need to educate drivers where it's like, now, now, before,
918
00:50:41.619 --> 00:50:44.860
before you protest this new bike lane that is going
919
00:50:44.889 --> 00:50:47.630
to get paid for with your tax dollars, just know
920
00:50:48.289 --> 00:50:52.929
this is not a reward for good biker behavior. This
921
00:50:53.010 --> 00:50:58.219
is not, we, we know they're bad and it's not
922
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.480
like they earned this, but this is just going to
923
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:05.820
make us safer and it's going to ease traffic congestion. theoretically. I, yeah.
924
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:07.239
I mean, as much as I agree with you that
925
00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:08.780
I think there are some very entitled bikers out there,
926
00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:11.440
I am more on the team of the most entitled
927
00:51:11.500 --> 00:51:13.760
biker than I am on the team of the driver,
928
00:51:13.980 --> 00:51:16.960
because I've seen, I've seen videos and stuff of like
929
00:51:17.110 --> 00:51:20.360
bikers out and they're, they've got cameras on their bikes
930
00:51:20.469 --> 00:51:22.630
for now. It turns out good reason. We're like a car,
931
00:51:22.650 --> 00:51:23.909
just call a truck will become behind him and just
932
00:51:23.929 --> 00:51:26.710
be like, honk, honk, honk, honk. And then just clip
933
00:51:26.730 --> 00:51:31.210
the bike or cars just turning into the, bike lane
934
00:51:31.510 --> 00:51:34.449
for no reason. Can these people just like eating shit constantly?
935
00:51:34.789 --> 00:51:37.869
And for every, I know that every driver has dealt
936
00:51:37.889 --> 00:51:41.550
with a bad biker, but every biker, same thing. Every
937
00:51:41.570 --> 00:51:43.829
biker has dealt with absolutely terrible. Look at you.
938
00:51:44.150 --> 00:51:46.329
My, my broken wrist is from a bad drive when
939
00:51:46.349 --> 00:51:47.849
I was biking in the bike lane on my way
940
00:51:47.889 --> 00:51:48.949
to church famously.
941
00:51:49.409 --> 00:51:52.590
So it's the, the bikers are also, there's a real
942
00:51:52.650 --> 00:51:57.860
antagonistic relationship growing between the two. And I, as much
943
00:51:57.900 --> 00:52:01.440
as I also am angry at some bikers for the
944
00:52:01.619 --> 00:52:05.829
decisions that they're making. I am still going to choose
945
00:52:05.869 --> 00:52:08.610
to be on their team over what the opposite, which
946
00:52:08.670 --> 00:52:10.010
is the people who are like, well, I'm just going
947
00:52:10.030 --> 00:52:10.630
to run them over.
948
00:52:11.590 --> 00:52:15.030
Right. If those are the teams, then sure. I'm team biker.
949
00:52:17.730 --> 00:52:20.530
I I've seen, I, you know, flip it through my,
950
00:52:21.090 --> 00:52:25.130
my channels on Facebook. I see, um, I see videos
951
00:52:25.170 --> 00:52:27.989
of like a trucker who almost all he does is
952
00:52:28.090 --> 00:52:31.380
get video of bikers going up to a red light
953
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and then looking both ways and not coming to a
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complete stop and going right through. He's angry about that.
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And the law is, as a biker, you are supposed
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to act like a car. You're not supposed to be
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up on sidewalks and shit like that. You are supposed
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to get to a stop sign or a red light.
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You fully stop for the three seconds, then you go.
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First of all, no car is doing that either. But
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On a bike, it's particularly hard because you're not triggering
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the lights. So if it's just you, you're not going
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to be able to make a light go. But also,
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coming all the way down off your pedals is very
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different than just stopping in a car. And so if
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a biker is being safe about it and they're coming
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to an intersection and they slow way down and they're
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looking in each direction and they clearly have nobody to
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worry about and they're making that decision to go, I'm
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all for that. I think they should be allowed to
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do that. And this guy is getting more and more angry.
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He's working himself up to the point where occasionally in
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these compilations, you'll see a biker get clipped by an
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extended mirror or something like that. And he's just laughing
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in his car. And I was like, oh, see, you're
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building up in your mind. You're now seething at these
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people for doing this perceived slight of yours. And now
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you love to see them punished.
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I would still prefer.
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More bikers in general I mean I think like a
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better version of the world is like maybe the bike
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lane will attract more bikers and wouldn't that be great
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if we were all bikers then then be like let's
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be fucking Amsterdam let's hit pedestrians let's be assholes let's
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we're all bikers we're all allowed to be like different
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kinds of bikers some of us can be jerks because
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there's no cars and.
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That's okay yeah yeah yeah There was a woman who
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I saw riding her bike in the bike lane, but
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going the wrong direction. And a car obviously didn't look
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that direction that she was coming as it started to
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make a move. And she had to like veer off
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into these bushes and she was screaming at the car.
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The person even stopped and was like, are you okay?
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And she was still not ready for someone to check
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on her. She was just angry. And she was like,
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you have to look both ways. Bikers go both ways.
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And I wanted to be like, No, they don't. As
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I'm riding my bike away. You were wrong. I did.
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I yelled it after someone when I was biking in
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Los Angeles because there are between the ocean and West LA,
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between this like three mile strip, you somehow travel through
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like three different towns. You're in Santa Monica and you're
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in West LA and you're in Los Angeles proper. It's,
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it's like a crazy fucking thing. And, uh, in some
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of those towns, you are allowed to ride on the sidewalk.
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And in some of them you are not. And I've
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done this. I had it memorized then because I was
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doing that commute every day for work. And I was
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on the sidewalk in one of those towns where I'm
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allowed to be on the sidewalk. And a guy yelled
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at me, you're not allowed to be on the sidewalk.
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And I said, over my shoulders, like, yes, I am
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in Santa Monica. I can't stop to have this proper argument,
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but like, yeah.
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Check your laws.
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What did that.
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Guy just shout at me? Yeah, that's true. There are
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places where it's just too tight and they allow bikers
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to use the sidewalk, but Again, I'm actually very accommodating
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to bikers. If I'm on a pedestrian and a biker
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is up on the sidewalk, I'm like, there's a reason.
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I get it.
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I get it.
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I've been there before. And you make way for them. Pedestrians,
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even though they... I think bikers get a bad rap
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because they are fast enough to be in the way
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a lot. Pedestrians are some of the worst people on
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the planet.
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Yeah, I guess I watch pedestrians... I watch pedestrians wander
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into the street without looking all the time, but bikers
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are just so fast and could cause so much more damage,
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I think.
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I think that's right. And to be clear, the damage
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is theirs. The damage that you could cause is like
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you would end up hurting somebody, and then that's a
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lot of psychological damage on you, which is terrifying. It's
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a terrifying thought that the biker would jump in front
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of you. It's not your fault at all. You do
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something that you break a leg or something like that,
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and now you're like, I really hurt somebody. How awful
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00:57:03.550 --> 00:57:06.250
that feels. Yeah, I get it.
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All right.
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Well, we didn't solve this one either.
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Shout out to the person who broke my wrist and
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didn't stop or do anything or know that it happened probably.
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What an awesome moment that was for you. Great day
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in LA history.
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All right.
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Thank you, everybody, for joining this podcast. This has been
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Quick Question with Soren and Daniel. You knew that. If
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puts this whole podcast together. She is the glue. If
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you would like to see her podcast, I'm not actually
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sure if it's on YouTube, but if you want to
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listen to her podcast, it's Don't Make It Worse. Thank you. Goodbye. Bye.
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I've got a quick, quick question for you.
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All right.
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I want to hear your thoughts. I want to know
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what's on your mind. I've got a quick, quick question
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for you, all right? The answer's not important, I'm just
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glad that we could talk tonight. So what's your favorite?
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Who did you get?
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When will I be remembered?
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What's it over? Oh, forget it.
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I saw a movie, Daniel O'Brien. Two best friends and
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comedy writers. If there's an answer, they're gonna find it.
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I think you'll have a great time here