Camping Builds Character | Ep. 345

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Oh, go to quick quick question. I want to hear
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your thoughts on to.
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Know what's on your mind.
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I've got a quick quick question for the answers.
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Not accord and I'll just bribe the week and talk tonight.
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So what's your favorite?
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Do you get?
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What's and you all.
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See that's friends and comedy here. If there's an answer
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that I cannot find it, I think you have a
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great time. I think you have a great time.
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It's a quick question. It's the show, Soren.
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I'm jumping right into it this week with a food question.
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What is the best food shape? Keep in mind, burritos,
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hot dogs, French fries are all technically tubes. So your
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options are square, rectangle like sandwich type stuff and anything else.
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You've got your triangle pizza, you got circles, that's your
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doughnuts and bagels, you got tubes. Nugget is a shape
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onto itself. Yeah, what do you think? What's the best?
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What's got the best things in their tubeses?
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Because you say sandwiches are squares, that's not true. The
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very best sandwiches are tubes.
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Yeah, other tubes. Yeah, I was gonna get that.
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I was gonna roast your ass the other things that
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are tubes that I and you wouldn't maybe think of
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them as tubes. First, is spaghetti pasta tube?
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A lot of pasta tubes?
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Well, I would even say, yoki, that's a tube. But
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obviously there are some some that are not too tubes.
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So that's so true. Shells aren't tubes.
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Don't like shells elbows like TUBESA yeah, our boy.
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Yeah.
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I was to expand the the conversation a bit is there.
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I think if I could have my drothers and convert
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more foods to different shapes, because there are two separate questions.
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One of them is like what what shape has the
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best like team of foods underneath it?
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And that's tubes by a mile.
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Then I thought like, if I could get what shape
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would I prefer more things be in? That's a different
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conversation because I don't think I want a tube of
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pizza flavor, even though like hot pot pockets exist.
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Cal zones cal zones, I suppose I don't know. I
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think I guess this maybe doesn't kel zones might speed
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its own pocket foods. Yeah, I feel like or their
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own shape.
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I do feel like we we it is an error
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that more things Uh, don't don't eventually become nuggets, just
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a little, a small thing of flavor that I could
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dip into whatever kind of sauce that I want and.
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Eat it that way. And like you might can have five.
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Pasta nuggets that I could dip into Marinara. That's a
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nice little movie theater snack take. Take some fucking pizza
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nuggets to the ballgame.
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We're talking.
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You know what, I'm realizing now that one of my
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favorite parts about weddings is the uh or derves that
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get passed around. And I would conclude all of those
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things in nuggets. A baby kish I would include as
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a nugget, I would include uh, the crab rangoons. Like
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all that in my mind is nugget. And boy do
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I love so I feel so fancy And when I
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get to have the whole bite of food, everything I'm
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supposed to taste in that thing in one go. Sushi
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nugget sushi uggins, Yeah, for sure, so I maybe. Boy,
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you know, if it's an uncut sushi, it's a tube.
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But if it's it's cut sushi, it's a nugget, I
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mean a roll. Anyway, boy, I'm feeling like nuggets actually
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starting to take the lead a little bit. Wow, this
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is huge because I do enjoy the things that are
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in tubes. I prefer the aestheticness of that. Like the
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way that I eat a tube feels right. It's like
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you're never going to run into a situation where it's
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it's beyond the corners of your mouth when you're eating tube,
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and I like that. I don't like a klondike bar
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versus an ice cream bar, an ice cream sandwich, ice
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cream sandwich tube, but like a Klondike bar that's square.
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And sometimes there is nothing I want I I want
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to I want to say the good things first.
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Sometimes there is nothing.
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I want more than a hamburger with some fixings on it.
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It's just like I think about it all day and
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I need to get a hamburger. It is a horrible
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design for a food slider, which is nugget is good,
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but like a like a like a burger, it's never
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exactly uh the the like each each bite isn't identical,
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and there are some bites that are just worse. And
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sometimes you're working on a burger and you get to
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the last bite and the last bite is like, oh,
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this is just.
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Like the elbow of the meat and some bread.
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I've already gotten all of the the accouterment out of this,
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so now my final bite, my lasting memory of this burger,
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the thing I'm gonna take with me to Dreamland is
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just scraps.
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Yeah, it's the it's the bread with a little bit
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of mayo still so soaked into it before Dreamlands. So
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you're you're eating a burger burger and then immediately taking
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a nap.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I'm wondering what I would if I would like
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it if someone offered me a tube burger, a burger
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on a hogi roll or something like that. I wonder
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how I would. I can't even imagine it.
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Maybe maybe our kids could do it.
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I think now if I went to some restaurant and
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they were like, and I ordered a cheeseburger and they
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gave me a hot dog bun and inside it a
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tube of ground beef and some bacon ground up, and.
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It'd be like no, no no no no no no
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no no, Like that's how we do it here.
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And it's like, sure, my parents will never be okay
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with nuclear power, I will never be okay with a
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tube of beef.
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Serfs to me, this is just it's just a generational thing.
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I think of all the tubes, though, I think hot
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dogs are weighing them down a little bit. It would
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be nice to get rid of hot dogs from the
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tube because the ratio is automatically off. But you have
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a closed like the bun is one thing is opposed
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to then you've got I mean, obviously it gets more
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structurally unsound if you were to separate them, but the
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bites themselves of a hot dog, you're really dealing with
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all of the fun stuff on the surface. You get
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the meat and then you've got you got it, just
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just a chore to get through the bread at the
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bottom of it.
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And then meanwhile, you know what's perfect little cocktail hot
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dogs past in a blanket and that's nuggets, or you
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get you go to Wetzels Pretzels or anti An's and
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you get mini corn dogs. Oh sack of many corn dogs.
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That's nuggets, baby, that's nuggets all day.
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I think a corn dog might be pocket food. I
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don't even know if it's gonna be tough to determine
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whether that's tube or pocket food. For me, don't let us.
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Go on Blue Sky.
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Let us know in the comments, don't we don't need
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anything other than pocket or tube. Just say pocket or
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tube to us for a while until this bit plays out,
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and then we'll we'll have our answer. Speaking of nuggets,
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sore in Yeah, Denver nuggets.
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Wow, Wow, Denver Colorado saw in hit me.
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Yeah, I got big updates about Colorado. Connoisseurans of the
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show will remember that I was going to a mining
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claim with my son, some formative experience for my child
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and my brother's child as we hiked across the mountains
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of Colorado looking for a mining claim that belonged to
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my dad. Now, in case you haven't listened, I'll just
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do a quick recap. My dad had a good friend
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that he grew up with and they went to college together,
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and then they were climbing the fourteen ers together. Fourteen
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ers or fourteen thousand foot peaks all around Colorado, and
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it's a big deal to bag all of them. When
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they were doing this, they report and they were like,
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we got it. We should buy land here. And their
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big plan was to buy land at auction. They were
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going to excite unseen see just like go get light
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and then be like we'll deal with whatever happens afterwards,
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his buddy Hawk did do it. Bought land for I
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think like sixty dollars. Three point two acres for sixty bucks.
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Turned out to be a mining claim, which doesn't mean
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you can't build on it. It's you've got surface rights, which
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means you can build on it. But you've also got
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mineral rights, which most people don't even have at their
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own homes. You can't dig in your backyard for lead
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or like what, I don't know. It grows and grows
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into the ground in New Jersey. I would say it's lead, right,
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I certainly have.
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I have done digging in my back You might there
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must be like a depth that I'm not allowed to hit.
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Well, you're not allowed to excavate, Yeah, you're not allowed
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to mine. And so we had We had both this property.
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Hawk had both these things. Hawk tragically died in a
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climbing accident with my dad when they were in their
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early twenties. I only knew my dad as like a
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guy grieving the loss of his best friend, very sad.
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That land then went to Hawk's family, and then Hawk's
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family slowly died as well. They gave it to my dad,
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and then I didn't even know this thing existed for
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a long time. My dad had it for probably twenty
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years before I knew about it. And then when my
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dad was dying, he had his buddy in the hospice
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with him, and his buddy was like, are you going
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to give Are you going to give the boys the
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mining claim? My dad was like, oh, I'd even thought
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about it. And my brother and I were like, the what?
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And he told us the story they had. He and
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his buddy Stacy and his other buddy Eric, they had
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gone up there found the land. They had put up
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a memorial to Hawk that said this is his land.
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He was a neat guy who liked to do neat stuff,
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and it was really beautiful and it was like a
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cool memorial that they had put up there for him.
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They said that they then went to visit it again
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and couldn't find it. They went maybe in like the
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ear late eighties, and they couldn't find it. They thought
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somebody had torn it down.
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Just to quit the comedic sidebar, because it's been a
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minute since I've made any noises. It's funny to me
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that your dad's friends are named Eric and Stacy, and
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he has Stacey the man. Yeah, yeah, and your dad
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has two sons, and the firstborn is named Eric, and
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I'm sure where the second one was coming around. Stacey
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was like, they're gonna, well, this would be made and
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it's like no, no, no, no, no, Stacey is way.
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Too crazy for a boy's name.
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They were like, we're naming him, and Stacy was like,
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come on, come on.
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Son. Incidentally, the thing that hawks do, you're out, Stacy.
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They're not any part of any of this.
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I'm surprised you didn't name me Hawk. That's interesting. I
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guess maybe Hawk was too crazy for them. Yeah, but yeah,
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they The land was passed my dad and then he
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gave it to my mom, I think, and then my
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brother and I did, but with the intention that my
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brother and I would have it. So now my brother
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and I actually owned this land for a long time.
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Property taxes on this thing were like real low, just
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like sixty bucks some a year, and then all of
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a sudden, in twenty twenty four it shout out to
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six hundred dollars and we were like, oh no, Like
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this isn't just a fun thing to hold on to anymore. Now,
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it's like we need to know what this this is.
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So my brother and I planned a trip with our
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two eldest with my son and his son because they're
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at age where they can do some backpacking, and we
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boy did we ask them to on this trip and
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we were going to go see it. We just wanted
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to go find it, see it, and then also see
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if we could find that memorial too, since they couldn't
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last time. Well, Daniel, I'm going to report that not
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only did we find the land.
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Hold on before we get into that is pizza circle
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or is p a triangle?
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Pizza's triangle?
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Okay, all right, yeah, except cafeteria pizza. Yeah, and it's
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worse to eat yeah, because they're square. And then there's
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also a circle like the circle that's not cut terrible
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way to eat a pizza. I think the way that
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you would ingest it is triangle. Yeah, okay, And so
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we we found the land, and not only that, I
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figured out why they didn't find it the last time
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they went up there. So I unsolved or solved. I
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solved the family mystery without the help of the people
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who were there. I'll tell you about this trip because
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it's really fun. First of all, Uh, there's a there's
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an unfinished road that goes up there. But an unfinished
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road in Colorado means that it's just these giant rocks
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and boulders in the road and you're driving over that.
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You need a very specific type of vehicle. You need
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an ATV or you need a rigged jeep with the
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tires aired down so that you can actually get up there.
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Air down means you just take the pressure out of
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the tires so that they kind of gripped the rock
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a little bit better. And then also they don't pop. Okay,
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we were not prepared to do that. We weren't. Also,
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I think rental cars they may at track where you
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go in a rental car so that when you bring
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it back they'd be like, oh, fuck you you went.
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You went to eleven thousand feet in this thing. No,
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So we rented a car with a pretty high clearance.
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But we drove to where we thought there would be
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a place as we could camp. And the place we
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camp was called Mammoth Gulch in Colorado. It's not too
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far from Denver, but it's it's primitive camping. That's just
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like flat space is all it means is there's nothing
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else set up other than that you could there's it's
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flat enough in areas where you can put a tent.
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We got there and it was lightning and thunder and
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torrential rain, and the kids were like, so are we leaving?
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My brother like, no, man, this is the best. This
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is the best camping. You're gonna learn something here.
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Man, Man, your brother is a liar.
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We were Calvin's dad in Calvin and Hawes about camping
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very much. So we're like, you're gonna build character here.
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This is what it's gonna be.
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My brother and I in our forties, if we started
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backpacking it was raining, we would say you want to
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so do we quit?
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And I was like, yeah, of course we quit. This
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is not I've learned enough.
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I had enough gear for the boy that he could
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be in I got. I had rain pants and a
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rain jacket for him. And once he was in that
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gear and he realized the rain couldn't hurt him, he
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was like, yes.
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I'm the kid.
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I've dominated the rain, and we said camp. The next day,
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we looked at the map again, tried to figure out
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how far it would be, and in looking at the map,
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I realized that they had marked out a trail. They'd
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marked out how they got there. When they did it,
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I guess probably the second time, because they had the
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claim marked on there, and based on the topography of it,
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I was like, wait a second, this isn't what I've
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seen from the like the Gilpin County treasurers or whatever,
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who sent me basically a rundown of where this place was.
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And so I'm matching up the topography and I'm like this,
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they're off by about a tenth of a mile, like
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they're in a slightly different area. I think them claim
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is actually over here. So the next morning we woke up,
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we hiked up there, and boy did those kids complain
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because it was it's a far hike. We asked them
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to do a lot. We were not they're not in
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full backpacks because we can leave all that at camp,
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but they're in day packs and we made them hike
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the whole day, probably ten miles, which is huge.
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Holy bit. Are they carrying their their own water in
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their day bags.
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Or are you handling that they're carrying their own water?
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Fuck man?
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Yeah, and they they were upset with good reason.
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Yeah wow.
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But it's also steep too, so it's like it's slow going.
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And we hiked it, got to it and started kind
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of looking around, went to where they'd originally thought it was,
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and I was like, yeah, this isn't it, and went back.
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Oh.
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The other thing is that in the picture that I
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have of my dad sitting next to the shrine, my
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dad is like twenty two in this picture, and there's
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so you can see some landscape behind him. You can
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see a peak, you can see a saddle into another
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smaller peak, and you can see kind of like some
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ridges and stuff. And so I brought that with us
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so that I could line it up, like I'm in
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zero horizon. I mean, what's that?
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What the horizon? Zero don?
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Yeah, horizons zero don. We're like, I've got to like
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match it up to get the what I want from it.
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And so I'm I'm like finding it, and then I
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find this this ring of iron rock, so it's like
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a really deep red the circle of it that's the
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exact same size of the shrine, and I'm like, this
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is it. It's like I get down in the position
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and I line it all up and it is exactly right.
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This is the spot where they had done it. This
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is the property, which was very exciting. This clearly somebody
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did take it down though, which is a huge bummer.
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I don't know why someone would do that, unless for
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service or somebody didn't understand that this was owned land
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and they were like, you can't build here, and so
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they just took it down. I'll show you really quickly,
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sorry for everyone who's not there. That's the land beautiful. Yeah,
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so it's above timberline. It's I'll paint a picture for you.
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It's not as it doesn't appear to be as steep
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as it actually is here in the picture. It's hard
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to get that in the angle, but it's there's some
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grass growing up there, some tundra grass, and most of
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it is just sheer rock and scree around it, so
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you can't really build there or anything. Some people have
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done some excavation, some minor excavations to see because I
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think that there are mines around there as well. So, yeah,
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we found it. We found the spot where the we
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had a really nice moment where we found like Hawk's
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Memorial or what was left of it. And then there's
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a peak right behind that's called Kingston Peak, which is
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like twelve thousand and two hundred or something like that,
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and we and we're like, let's go up it and
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the kids were like no, fuck you. We're like, oh,
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come on, it's just we'll scamper up there. And that
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took like another hour to get up there. My son,
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to his credit, was like really game for all this
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stuff and would do it and would not complain too much.
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But he ever, once in all he'd be like, hey, when
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we stop, next time, he said, okay, if I lie down.
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I was like, yeah, man, that's that's fine. We got
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to the top of this peak. It's beautiful up there,
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took some good pictures and stuff, and then the soles
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of my boots fell off.
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Yeah, holy shit, which.
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Was terrifying because it's not a thing I had even
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considered was a possibility. Of course, could potentially be life threatening. Yeah,
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you're at the you're at the top. We went as
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far as we were going to go, and it's pretty far.
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Right now, we're about five miles from camp and the
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and this, and we're on a very rocky scree yeah,
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which is just these like sharp, awful rocks.
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Now, often when we've gone backpacking we have at least
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packed like slides or trail runners, which you wouldn't hike it.
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And that's like when you're done and you're camping.
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At the end of the night, you can't be barefoot,
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but you can't spend another minute in your boots. So
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you have like an alternate, very lightweight thing that's at
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least like some protection between your foot and the earth.
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Did you bring that to this trip and did you
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happen to bring it up?
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I brought him on this trip. I brought some grape brooks.
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They were sitting in camp.
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Hell, yeah, that's the way to do it back a camp.
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And so one of them came all the way off.
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The other one came half off and was just like
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flopping around, and I was like, fuck, fuck, fuck, I
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don't I know. I'm trying to think of, like how
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am I going to get back? And uh. I asked
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my brother if he had super We always bring first
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day kids, so we both had one, and I was
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asking him if he carried super glue in his and
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he was like, no, I do have some back of camp,
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and I was like, not helpful. Yeah, No one seemed
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as worried as I was. But I think I was
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taking in the full weight of what was about to happen.
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We travel with so much emergency shit.
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Every time we backed and I'm trying to think if
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anything in those bags could solve this problem, and I
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don't think it could. Like we did solve them maybe
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like you wrap a bandage around the whole shoe to
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try to secure the sole in place.
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I love that your where your head's at. That's exactly
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what we were thinking. We ended up using athletic tape. Yeah.
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I wrapped athletic tape around the toe to keep the
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front on, and then for the back. The heel has
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a little bit of a raise to it on most
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vibrum soles, and I wrapped around that, you know, like
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where the gap is with the soul and then the
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heel there's like a little tiny gap where that doesn't
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touch the ground if it has a little bit of
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a raise to it in the tread. I wrapped underneath
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there and then up around the back of the heel
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and just tape the shit out of it. And still
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I was on ice skates, Like these things are moving. Yeah,
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every time I'm not on solid ground, I'm shifting on
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top of the soul as well, and the tape is
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snapping and stuff like that. So we go back down
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that way and I've got these terribly cobbled together boots,
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and all I'm trying to do is keep rubber between
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me and the ground.
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The bottom of the boot itself.
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In between the soul and what I was wearing was
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kind of like a soft nylon almost, so it was
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not you couldn't just like take these souls off and
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be like, oh, this this will be fine. So we
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taped it up and headed back down, and it was
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slow going for me for a long time, and then
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I was stopping every once in a while to retape.
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And that's all I'm thinking about, Like, I'm not enjoying
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the view anymore. I'm not having fun. I'm not trying
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to build up my son's ability to get back down.
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I'm not helpful. I'm just like I want to I
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don't want to be left up here. Because the other
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option was what my brother goes back to camp and
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then hikes it again with my shoes, which is now
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we're dealing with darkness and stuff like.
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That, leaving the kids behind at camp.
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Leaving the kids at camp. There were not a lot
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of good options, but ultimately they made it back down,
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which was great. By then everyone was very excited, like
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the kids got back down to camp, after feeling like
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they were going to die, they got back down to
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camp and we're sitting there in our crazy creeks and
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they're like, well, what do we do now? I'm like,
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are you fucking kidding? You just spent the whole time
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talking about how you wanted to lay down in the tent.
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Go lay down in the tent. Just relax. This is
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what camping is. We just sit around, we talk, and
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we relax, and we listen to nature, and we fucking
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feel one with the with the world.
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We wait till our kids go to sleep and we
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drink whiskey, have gummies.
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Just go to sleep. Aren't you tired?
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Uh?
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Yeah, so they were.
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They were just kind of like up and ready to
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go again. The next day. I felt awful. I'm you know, like,
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he heals your feet all the.
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Things that were like already hiking is is you're gonna
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feel sore and achey afterwards, but you are, without even
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realizing it, tensing a whole bunch of different parts of
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your leg and foot that you don't typically think about
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at all.
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Right, And so it was. And also just the way
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that travels up the muscles in your legs in weird
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ways because you've been like compensating in certain ways that
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you're not used to. So I felt I felt pretty awful.
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The next day it was fine. My brother and I
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realized on the trip, though, how in our everyday lives
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we are not super We're not like fastidious people. I
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can let the house kind of fall into just when
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my wife isn't here. I don't care about crumbs on
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the ground a ton you can't with kids. You got
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a cave on a lot of this stuff. We realize
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that when we camp, we are the most anal motherfuckers
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in the world. Are the way that we keep our
484
00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:15.759
camp together. And I guess it's because I got it
485
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:17.960
from him, because our dad wasn't this way, and he
486
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:20.160
was on mountain rescue and stuff. He was taking some
487
00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:20.920
trips all the time.
488
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:22.039
He was not like this.
489
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:23.839
It's the two of us and I don't know what
490
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:24.279
it is.
491
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:25.480
There's like this.
492
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:28.359
This OCD just turns on when we're out there where
493
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:31.279
everything has a place, everything has its own stuff sack,
494
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:33.480
and you know exactly where those things are. At the
495
00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:36.200
end of the night. You bomb proof the tent and
496
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:39.079
you bomb proof like camp. You make sure that everything's
497
00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:41.519
where it's supposed to be and tucked away, and we're
498
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:43.240
trying to like instill that in our kids and they're
499
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:46.279
like why, Like, I don't know.
500
00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:50.599
I think the most surprising part of that is your
501
00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:53.200
is your dad wasn't the same way, because it seemed
502
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:56.319
like that no matter what you are in your home life,
503
00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:59.480
it seemed like it would be universal to be suddenly
504
00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:06.319
anal about camping because when you a the gear is
505
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:09.039
very conducive to that. Everything that you get it's very
506
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:12.440
it's it's it's very clear that you have little lots
507
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:14.160
of different pouches and stuff for a reason, and things
508
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:16.079
are supposed to go where they're spposed to go, and
509
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:21.880
you plan out how you pack based on when you
510
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:24.839
are going to need things, because you you don't want
511
00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.559
to be digging through you know, if I want a
512
00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:29.519
snack or something like that, I don't want to have
513
00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:33.000
to dig past my sleeping bag to get it at
514
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:35.519
the bottom of the back. So it's all like so
515
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:38.519
intuitively designed and so intuitively packed.
516
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:41.400
And the other reason is that.
517
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:46.240
You you feel everything when you're hiking, so you just
518
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:48.279
everything needs to be in a very specific place so
519
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:52.000
it doesn't hurt you in any way. I can't imagine
520
00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:55.200
an adult doing that haphazardly.
521
00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:56.279
That's really surprising.
522
00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:58.799
Well, he knew my debt, so there's certainly an elegance
523
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:02.079
to packing in terms of weight distribution. And my dad
524
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:05.079
was big on that. But my brother and I I
525
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:08.960
don't know what happened. We were My wife can barely
526
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:11.559
tolerate it when we go camping, even like car camping.
527
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:16.640
I'm like this where she's she'll finish with the leatherman
528
00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:18.519
and then I see her put it on the ground
529
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:18.960
and I'm like.
530
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:21.680
What are you doing?
531
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:26.599
Did you just fucking put my knife on the ground
532
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.960
and it's the blade is still out well or like
533
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:36.000
she's as it gets closer tonight, I'm like, we'll just
534
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:37.559
grab your headlamp. She's like, well, I don't know where
535
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:40.759
that is. I'm like, how do you know? Are you
536
00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:46.880
you don't know where your head lamp is? And I'm
537
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:48.960
getting mad in ways that are not fair to her,
538
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:52.359
and she is, but she's very to be She is
539
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:54.200
like very cool about it.
540
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:58.000
In her defense, most of the time, she never needs
541
00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:59.279
to know where her head lamp is.
542
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:02.640
And you think about any time you travel anywhere and
543
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:07.440
Airbnb or whatever, especially with children, your shit just flops around.
544
00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:09.799
It's just everywhere. You've got stuff sitting on the bed
545
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:11.319
that you didn't because nothing.
546
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:12.000
Has its own space.
547
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:16.440
Yeah, and so you're really demanding that somebody get to
548
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:19.960
a location and create a space immediately for every single
549
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:22.599
thing that you're carrying, and that it cannot leave. If
550
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:24.279
it leaves that space, it has to go right back
551
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:27.839
to it. And that's not a fair ask of anybody,
552
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:30.400
and so act I've just it was very fun listening
553
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.839
to my brother in the tent unloading stuff with his
554
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:35.880
son and being like, you know, it's just a lot
555
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:40.000
easier if you have a very specific spot for all
556
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:42.119
of your things, and then you're going to know where
557
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:45.359
they are, and then later anything goes wrong, you know
558
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:51.680
exactly where that is trying to trying to impart this
559
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:54.359
mental illness onto his child.
560
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.079
I found that when my family just did, like we
561
00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:01.480
got a giant for the whole family beach in North Carolina,
562
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:04.799
and this is exactly the kind of you know, it's
563
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:06.519
a it's a rental. It's exactly the kind of thing
564
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:10.359
where like everyone's everything, you know, we're all you're gonna
565
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:14.319
mix sunscreens, you're gonna make sunglasses, and hats up. It's
566
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:16.440
just you're you're you're gonna reach because you can't find
567
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.680
anything anywhere at any given time. And I with my
568
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:23.920
packing would see someone close in my family who was
569
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:26.640
looking for a charger, and we're just like, well, I
570
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:32.119
know where mine is, and my charger is from my phone,
571
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:35.200
which by the way, is fully charged, as it somehow
572
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:38.640
is at all times. And if I give it to you,
573
00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:41.400
who knows what's gonna happen to it. It's gonna get
574
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.000
mixed up with all the other chargers wherever your charger is.
575
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:46.640
So I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut about this.
576
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:52.640
Yeah, I mean that's a I was feeling. And there
577
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:54.359
are tires where my sony was even like I don't
578
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:57.240
know where my water is, and I was like, come on, man,
579
00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:59.839
like that's that's that's all we got.
580
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:00.640
Number one.
581
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:03.319
Yeah, these things you got to now.
582
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:05.880
I don't even have shoes on my feet. My feet
583
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:08.039
don't even have a floor anymore, but I know where
584
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:08.759
the water is.
585
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:13.240
I've been on camping trips with my wife before where
586
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.480
we packed bags. We're gonna go car camping. It's not
587
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:19.319
even like it's not an important weight distribution is not
588
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:21.359
super important because we're not carrying these bags on our
589
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:24.000
backs for more than fifty feet. But we're going on
590
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:26.759
a trip and I see her bag sitting at the door,
591
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.160
ready to go, and it's got gaps in it and
592
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:33.799
it's lopsided. It's like it's misshapen, like a Santa Claus sack.
593
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.920
And I'm like, what the fuck? Can I repack your
594
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.880
bag because I need it to just I need the waitress.
595
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:45.799
I need it straight. I need those air pockets fucking gone.
596
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:49.279
And like, I'm also really particular about what you're allowed
597
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:51.279
to bring, which is great with a kid, because with
598
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:54.519
my son, I could be like, here's what we're packing.
599
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:56.960
You're gonna wear this, You're gonna have one other pair
600
00:31:56.960 --> 00:31:59.559
of shorts as an emergency. You're gonna have one other
601
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:01.839
pair of one were it's an emergency. And you can
602
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:04.000
have like fleece pants and stuff for while you're at camp.
603
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:07.079
But I'm not gonna let I'm not gonna pack different
604
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.920
outfits for different days. That's insane when I'm camping, and
605
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:16.400
I'm like, we're shedding weight here, buddy, And so you know,
606
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:18.559
I'm doing my best to give all this to my
607
00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:20.279
child so that he has to live with it. Yeah,
608
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.200
when he goes out of the wilderness, but then it
609
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:25.079
all turns off as soon as I get home. I'm
610
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:27.519
just the stuff as I take it out to this
611
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:30.319
it's still at this point, my tent is sitting outside,
612
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:32.920
airing out. I could have put it away four hours
613
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:35.440
after I got home. Instead, I'm just like whatever, he
614
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:36.759
can live out there for a little while.
615
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:40.400
Ken, I mean that's where where you and I are
616
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.200
are different, and that I will unpack at this point
617
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:44.640
in my life.
618
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.680
It doesn't it doesn't matter.
619
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:50.160
I'd like to unpack as soon as I get home,
620
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.200
or within like two hours of being home, getting everything unpacked,
621
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:56.440
things that need to get in the wash. I want
622
00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:58.039
to get that process started, and I want to put
623
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.839
the suitcases up in the attic where suitcases go.
624
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.359
I can and do do all.
625
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:09.119
That, but none of it matters because because my wife
626
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:12.079
is wired differently, and it's okay with suitcases just sort
627
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:14.519
of existing until the next trip.
628
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:15.880
As far as she's concerned.
629
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:21.240
We had bed bugs at one point in our life
630
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.759
and now we are hyper sensitive to that where and
631
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:25.400
it works in my favorite because when I get home,
632
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:27.039
I don't want to unpack immediately I want to just
633
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:29.240
be home for a little bit, and I will. We
634
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:33.279
leave our suitcases outside. They are not allowed inside the
635
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:36.359
house for a little while because we feel like somehow
636
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:37.480
that's going to make a difference.
637
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:41.359
Once the bugs see the.
638
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.480
Landscape in the area and they're like, oh this is
639
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:48.480
let's just start a brand new life somewhere else in
640
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:49.039
this town.
641
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:50.519
We don't need to go in the house.
642
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:54.160
They give up on their failure to They have a
643
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:56.119
failure to thrive, and they just die. When they see
644
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:59.400
that they're outside again, They're like, oh no, they're surely
645
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:01.680
there's nothing new, and then they just curl up and die.
646
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:05.240
So the other part of this trip that was my
647
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:10.599
son was awesome on was both directions my flights. Our
648
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:13.320
flights got canceled going there. We had to get up
649
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:14.679
at like four thirty in the morning. We went to
650
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:16.320
the airport and we were checking in and they're like,
651
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:20.719
that flight's canceled. They're like, what do you mean. I
652
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.320
was like, well, when's it? What's available? And they said, well,
653
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.239
we do have a flight that's going tonight and it
654
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:29.880
will get in tomorrow morning. And I was like, we're
655
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.480
going to Denver. How's that? Like? Oh, there's eleven hour
656
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.320
layover in Las Vegas. I was like, well, we won't
657
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:38.159
be doing that. Are there other airlines? And like, well,
658
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:38.639
I don't know.
659
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:41.840
So we went.
660
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:44.800
We walked around to different terminals at LAX and we
661
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.199
were like, who's got a flight that's going? And then
662
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:50.400
we had to buy It would have been better had
663
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:52.119
I not ever bought a flight at all, if I
664
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:53.840
had just shown up at the airport been like, all right,
665
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:56.639
let's see who's going. Because I had to buy a
666
00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:59.519
flight on the day to go there, it was all
667
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:02.440
fann Frontier is the airline. I don't mind saying they
668
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:06.320
They're terrible. Don't ever fly Frontier. Don't ever fly Frontier.
669
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:08.719
They're terrible. The other thing they do is that if
670
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:10.920
you want to actually talk to an individual there, they're
671
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:12.760
going to charge you twenty five dollars. You have to
672
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:14.920
use their app exclusively. You have to get their app,
673
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:16.960
use their app exclusively to check in on your flight,
674
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:19.800
check your bags and everything. If you wanted to go
675
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.360
talk to somebody at a kiosk, fucking twenty five dollars
676
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:22.840
a person.
677
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:26.639
I don't think we as a society need to be
678
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:31.840
coy anymore about talking shit about specific airline companies, all
679
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:34.679
of us in the podcast, and like public faces face
680
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:38.639
who are afraid to name airlines, just go I mean
681
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:41.800
they're all bad, so it doesn't it truly doesn't matter anymore.
682
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:46.480
Just like it's like the.
683
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:47.639
The airlines aren't ashamed of it, so just go for it.
684
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:48.440
Just go nuts.
685
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:50.960
They don't care if they were not willing, they were
686
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.440
there was no interest in helping us. And I'm with
687
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:57.239
my boy and so he's very good about not complaining
688
00:35:57.320 --> 00:35:59.599
during that moment, letting me talk to them, and just
689
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:02.280
really back. As soon as I need to rush somewhere else,
690
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:03.719
he's right there with me.
691
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:04.880
He's just on it.
692
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:08.199
He's he he's got he's like reading the room very
693
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:09.840
very well, and he can tell when I'm kind of
694
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.159
like this isn't good, this isn't good, and he's just
695
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.320
sort of like hanging back. He's not like, well, what
696
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.079
are we going to do or anything like that. And
697
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:20.119
I know he's feeling that stuff because he was looking
698
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:22.119
forward to this and he's so cool. So on the
699
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:24.039
way back, I was joking a lot with my brother
700
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:25.599
about soon as we got back to the airport, and
701
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.199
I was like, well, if I have a flight I
702
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:33.519
didn't got canceled again the flight back, or they canceled
703
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:37.239
within three hours of the flight, and they were unhelpful.
704
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:41.559
The woman who was helping me, the woman who I
705
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:43.239
was talking to, she was like, well, we have one
706
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:46.840
tomorrow at in the night. It's at like ten o'clock
707
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:48.400
at night again, and I was like where are all
708
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:50.719
these flights? Like why are you canceling these? And she goes,
709
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:53.840
they say weather, And I was like, well, what does
710
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.239
that mean. I think what's happening is that if there's
711
00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:58.280
not enough people in the flight, they'll cancel it because
712
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:02.079
they're like, it costs us, doesn't less to reimburse these
713
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:06.239
people than it does for us to fly and fuck
714
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:09.679
them like they'll figure it out on their own. So
715
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:12.039
she again was very unhelpful. I was like, well, if
716
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:16.119
we stay overnight, aren't you obligated to give us a hotel?
717
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:19.719
And she looks, she looks at somebody else, and the
718
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:25.360
other person goes yeah, Like I'd like I had somehow
719
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:29.039
gotten them. They weren't going to tell anyone, but I
720
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:31.960
was like, oh, this guy knows right, yeah, but you
721
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:34.280
have to take the flight tomorrow. And I was like, well,
722
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:36.199
what hotel? Is is it? Like, well, we're not even
723
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:38.719
going to tell you until you accept, and I was like, well,
724
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.239
this is shady as shit, and so we walk away.
725
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.599
We walk over to Southwest, and Southwest thankfully had a
726
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:51.280
flight that was fabulously expensive, and so we ended up
727
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:54.239
taking that. But after I'd gotten that other flight taken
728
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:59.199
care of, gotten my bag put away, and everything, I
729
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:01.079
see the woman who had been helping us, and she's
730
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:03.320
on the phone talking to somebody and it was clearly
731
00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:06.119
unrelated to work, but she is crying and talking on
732
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:14.840
the phone. And my first unhealthy thought was good, I'm
733
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:22.039
glad that you're unhappy something in your life that's gone wrong,
734
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:25.119
and I'm happy about that because you were not nice
735
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:31.320
to me. Then your second thought was that was fox sorr.
736
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:38.159
I'll tell Dan about that. That was my second thought. Yeah,
737
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:42.000
obviously that's not not a healthy thought. I didn't I
738
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.920
didn't express that to my son. I didn't point her out.
739
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:49.880
Look, bro, look this is what happens. This is what
740
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:51.400
happens when you fuck with me.
741
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:54.960
Look look at that. Look at that. That's called consequence.
742
00:38:56.440 --> 00:39:04.199
Doesn't that feel good in your stomach? A thing I
743
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:06.760
also learned on this trip this last thing, uh, you
744
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:08.599
have ever I don't know if you've ever traveled you have.
745
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:12.239
When you have a big backpack, you've got to check it.
746
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:15.559
Obviously it's too big to carry. When you checked it,
747
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:18.039
what are you doing with all the straps and shit
748
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:19.400
that's coming off of that bag?
749
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:21.679
Nothing?
750
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:24.880
What do you mean, Well, they get caught and stuff
751
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:27.320
all the time. I don't know if you've ever traveled
752
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:28.840
like that before and then gotten it and then your
753
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:30.719
bag is like cinched all the way down on just
754
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:33.960
one side, all the stuff hanging off. There's all stuff
755
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:36.159
that's getting caught in belts on the way into the plane,
756
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:38.599
it's getting banged around.
757
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:40.280
I don't think I've ever thought about it. I think
758
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:43.960
I just check it and everything worked out for me
759
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:45.000
because it always does.
760
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.920
Well. Uh my brother discovered this. I think maybe he
761
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:52.960
saw it on Reddit or something like that. But it
762
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.320
is a brilliant thing that you can do with your
763
00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:57.480
bag from now on. If you're gonna fly with your
764
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:03.480
actual backpacking back back Uh, go to Ikea and you
765
00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:08.880
get these blue bags zipper bags, and they fit. It
766
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:11.119
does not gonna look like it's gonna fit, but they
767
00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:16.360
fit a backpacking bag perfectly, even a full backpacking bag.
768
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:19.559
It's like an absolutely perfect fit and then you just
769
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.039
use that and it's wonderful, and then your bag is
770
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:26.079
completely protected from everything around it. That's smart, Yeah, from
771
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:30.119
all the filth on everybody else's ye suitcases, all the
772
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:33.800
bed bugs. Yeah yeah, well, yes, yes it does.
773
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:36.639
It's uh. People.
774
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:40.360
Since you first brought up the mining claim a few
775
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:44.960
months ago, people have taken to any available comment space
776
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:48.559
to ask what's going on with the mining claim? When
777
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:50.719
are we gonna hear more about the mining claim?
778
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:51.360
Oh yeah?
779
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:53.039
And as much as most of them, I'm sure what
780
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:55.599
they really meant was, what was it like flying?
781
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:01.519
Why do you can because you think the lean all mine?
782
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:03.000
Let me tell you about the mining claims. My shoes
783
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:05.320
fall apart and my flight got canceled? Is that helpful?
784
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:08.679
Is that helpful? What they really want to know is.
785
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:13.079
Yeah, what are you going to do? Having seen it?
786
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.639
It is gorgeous up there, and it's a lot of land.
787
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:17.599
It's three point two acres, which I didn't realize how
788
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:20.760
much that is. That's a lot of land, and it's
789
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:25.760
breathtaking and incredible to visit, and there's absolutely nothing to
790
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:26.400
do with it.
791
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:28.079
I'm not going to sword.
792
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:32.280
You've been to my house, You've seen in my backyard.
793
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:35.079
Do I have an acre?
794
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:36.000
No?
795
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:37.840
Do I? Okay, I have something.
796
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:39.360
You don't even have an acre, not even you have
797
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:40.280
a fraction of an acre.
798
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:42.039
I have a fraction of an inch. Okay, great. Then
799
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:44.119
I also don't know how big acres are. That's good
800
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:44.320
to know.
801
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.800
And uh, we're my brother and I were really deciding
802
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:52.360
because first of all, we can't build on it. Building
803
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:55.639
on it requires two things. First of all, some sort
804
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:57.960
of way to avoid lightning, which I don't know how
805
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:01.840
we do. It's also at such a degree up there
806
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:05.719
that I think it's a slide area. I think that
807
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:08.599
it's at slide risk in the winter. I think it would.
808
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:11.320
You're just no way to avoid avalanches in that spot,
809
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:16.039
and you have to get construction vehicles up there, which
810
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:18.800
seems next to impossible. And the ground, I cannot stress
811
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:21.159
is enough it's fucking impossible to dig in. You need
812
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:23.719
real equipment to dig in this ground because of how
813
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.360
stony and rocky it is. And so if you were
814
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:28.840
to even to level the ground, that job would be
815
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:32.199
so enormously expensive and hard to do that it's just
816
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:35.239
not worth it. When I talked to land management in
817
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:38.320
Gilpin County about the hypothetically if I was gonna build,
818
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:39.719
if I just went up there, my brother and I
819
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:41.039
were like, well, we'll just do it on our own.
820
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:44.880
We'll just chop down some deadfall and we will build
821
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:49.119
a cabin up here. Not allowed, Okay, not allowed at all.
822
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:51.800
In order to build and guilpen, you have to have
823
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.960
running water to the place, and you have to have
824
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.119
some sort of sewer situation. You don't have to connect
825
00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:00.360
to the city, but you've got to create a.
826
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:02.440
What are those called septic tank?
827
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:06.719
Yeah, septic tank. And there's no fuck, we're not doing
828
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:10.679
anything getting water up there would be. I guess you
829
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:14.280
could maybe try and dig a well, but that seems
830
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:19.440
impossible based on the impenetrable rock. Anyway, it's not it's
831
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.239
not to be built on. We're not going to dig
832
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:23.239
for gold up there.
833
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:24.880
You're not gonna mine Okay.
834
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:27.760
We're not gonna mine it. It's also so beautiful, the
835
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:32.280
idea of trying to excavate that feels so awful.
836
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:36.840
And will you sell it? Does anyone want to buy it?
837
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:39.519
That's a good question everyone. So while we get texts,
838
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:41.039
you know, those cold texts, that people send you for
839
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:44.280
your house. Were like, Dan, you're interested in selling your house.
840
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:48.119
We get that. We get probab people interested in the
841
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:51.519
property just because they're interested in every single thing that
842
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:53.400
they can gobble up. They've never seen it and they
843
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:54.880
don't know what it is. They just know that this
844
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:58.320
is owned. So yeah, the next time we get messages
845
00:43:58.320 --> 00:43:59.639
from those people will be like, all right, what do
846
00:43:59.639 --> 00:43:59.960
you offer?
847
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:02.599
And if it's.
848
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:08.320
More than we're paying for the property taxes, then we're like, yeah,
849
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:10.679
we'll sell to you. So anybody listening to this, if
850
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:12.719
you want to buy this land, hey, we're up for
851
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:17.360
selling it. Uh, you could own a little piece of beauty.
852
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:19.800
It's a it sounds like just a truly beautiful place
853
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:24.599
for a data center or an awesome shipping hub.
854
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:27.920
Oh, you would really be nice there as a gas
855
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:30.280
station because there are a lot of ATVs coming up
856
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:30.800
around there.
857
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:31.519
We did have to.
858
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:36.079
Dodge a lot of fuck some terrible doom buggies and stuff.
859
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:36.360
It was.
860
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.000
It's a totally different culture that I'm used to outdoor culture.
861
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:42.079
There's like it's split into factions, and man, those flat
862
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.039
those factions hate each other. There's like they're the people
863
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.119
who are every single day, and they're like, we got
864
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:49.119
to get in the outdoors. What they mean is we're
865
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:52.400
going to take our vehicle up somewhere high and then
866
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:54.760
drive it back down and be like fuck, yeah, we
867
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:56.679
were out there. And then maybe along the way they're
868
00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:01.280
shooting guns at some signs. Sure, And then there are
869
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:03.119
the people who are like, I want to keep it
870
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:06.519
as pristine as possible. Uh, and some and a little
871
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:08.639
bit of overlap between those two people where there's somebody
872
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:12.800
who's like, it's important that you maintain nature, but occasionally
873
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:14.760
I'm also gonna kill a buck up there.
874
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:16.760
Yeah, and you're like, Okay.
875
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:22.199
That's more tolerable, I guess, but yeah, it's it. There
876
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:23.920
is very different groups of people up there. There are
877
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:26.559
people who the naturalists, who are like, fuck, this is great,
878
00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:28.840
this is this is what nature's all about. And then
879
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:31.320
the people driving their doom buggies through the middle of
880
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:36.159
it with giant fuck Biden flags. Yeah, a real shock
881
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:36.880
to see out there.
882
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:39.199
For sure.
883
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:44.079
It's such a conflict in me to be pretty strongly
884
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:50.719
anti gun culture, but I also and something about shooting
885
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.280
signs seems way more fun than like going to a
886
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:55.719
gun range or doing anything else.
887
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:57.599
That sounds like a blast. I wish I could just
888
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:02.840
is like be different for a little bit justification.
889
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:07.840
Just on the either side. They we did hear a
890
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:11.199
lot of gunshots while we were There's just people messing
891
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:13.679
around out there, and it's like, well, I mean, I'm
892
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.519
hoping you're not just firing that off.
893
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:17.199
Into the distance.
894
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:20.599
You're actually shooting into something, but I can't say for sure.
895
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:22.920
And they're not hunting. I mean, these are just just
896
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:27.280
recreational gun use up there. Yeah, which wasn't my favorite.
897
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:31.840
A lot of people, a lot of considering how specific
898
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:34.159
and regimented I am about how you're supposed to interact
899
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:35.960
with the wilderness and how you're supposed to interact with
900
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:37.719
your things there. I did not care for the way
901
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:38.679
other people were doing it.
902
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:43.320
So so you're happy to sell it, you don't like
903
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:46.199
the element that has moved into the area, It's not
904
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:50.280
for you. I think this is pretty This is this
905
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:53.960
is this is probably the best resolution that that this
906
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:55.559
story could have ended up with.
907
00:46:55.719 --> 00:47:01.880
Honestly, I the thing we were really considering is donating
908
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:06.920
it to the fore Service, just having this be wilderness
909
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:11.920
and sending it and putting it back into into the world.
910
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:16.079
So that it can't be owned, which I'm still like, Okay,
911
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:19.559
that sounds that sounds doable. We didn't pay for this,
912
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:22.400
we got it, so it was just handed to us. Yeah, like,
913
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:24.840
why would we sell this to somebody else who might
914
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:27.760
do something with it. I don't necessarily want anyone to
915
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:32.599
do anything with it. Was the world. Yeah, so that
916
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:34.119
probably will be what we end up doing.
917
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:39.079
Nice, Well, that's gonna do it. So glad we got
918
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:40.039
resolution on this.
919
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:46.119
Yeah, I uh, and I'm glad I got to talk
920
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:47.599
about food shapes for a while.
921
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:50.719
I think we should. I think that's what we should
922
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:52.599
clip and put on social media. I think that that
923
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:53.480
mining claim stuff.
924
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:56.760
We dig into it more because there's stuff that doesn't
925
00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:59.599
fit into any any category as far as I'm concerned,
926
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:02.480
which I think is maybe its own category.
927
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:03.519
Slop's pretty good.
928
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:07.800
Yeah, there's a lot of slop that's delicious.
929
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:08.960
I do love a slap.
930
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:15.000
I gotta think more about it. I gotta decide if
931
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.239
there's other stuff that I can't put in no category,
932
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:18.840
and then I'm gonna have to come up with something new.
933
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:20.719
But I like this scientific classification.
934
00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:21.719
This is gonna be.
935
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:25.719
This is gonna end up being the it's gonna pick
936
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:28.639
up the torch dropped by when are they going to
937
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:31.159
resolve the mining claim story? It's just gonna be people
938
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:33.119
for months who are like, when are they gonna get
939
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:33.880
back into shape?
940
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:38.079
Taxonomy of foods? Yeah, they promised. I listened to the
941
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:38.880
whole episode.
942
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.960
Come on, is salad a slop? You've got inquiring minds
943
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:44.440
want to know?
944
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:46.760
All right?
945
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:50.280
Thank you everybody for listening. Uh. If you enjoyed this podcast,
946
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:52.320
you can find more of it and our Patreon. You
947
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:53.599
just give us a little bit of money and we
948
00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:56.400
give you a little more podcast. If you like this
949
00:48:56.480 --> 00:48:58.639
theme song that's by me Rex, if you like this
950
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:01.639
podcast in general because of Mackenzie Mozelle. She's the one
951
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:03.519
who puts it all together. She's got a podcast of
952
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:06.639
her own called Don't Make it Worse? No, is that right?
953
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:07.840
Don't make it worse?
954
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:10.719
Don't make it worse? Yeah, don't make it worse? And
955
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:22.679
uh uh YouTube video obviously. Uh, goodbye. I'm going to
956
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:24.760
quick quick question.
957
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:29.199
On hear your thoughts on to know what's on your mind.
958
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:32.760
I've got a quick quick question.
959
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:36.280
For you as not report and I'll just go the
960
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:37.599
week and talk tonight.
961
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:50.320
So what's your favorite Who did you get you see?
962
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:52.159
That's friends in comedy, right.
963
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.280
It doesn't answer that I cannot find.
964
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:00.719
I think you have a great Yeah.
965
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:04.239
I think you'll have a great time.
966
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:04.719
Yeah.
967
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:11.840
Mm hmmmmm