I Will Find You...Sometime, Somewhere... | Chrono Cross (Ep. 177)

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Hello, Hello, we're here again. Final time. This is the
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final time we're finishing off Chrono Cross. We appreciate the patience,
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or at least I do. I think Chris does too.
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Chris is here again. Hey, Chris, how's it going?
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Hey?
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Thanks for having me back.
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It is a pleasure, My pleasure, their pleasure, everyone's pleasure.
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We're all pleasured around here. And speaking of being pleasured,
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thank you. Thanks for the patience with all of this.
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Some scheduling stuff's getting a little weird. We're going to
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have I think the Mitsudah music episode is going to
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come out after this one. I'm pretty sure. I'm almost positive.
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But that's been a lot of fun going through Mitsuda's
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catalog learning about some new stuff. It's been really fun
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going through this game. Speaking of Chris, I've been a
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busy boy since we've last talked. You want to hear
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about it?
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Ah, Yes, laid on me.
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I played so, I completed Chrono Trigger, I beat it,
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beat the game PS one great terrific. I started up
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a new game on Switch and I beat it again
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the remaster.
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Have you played the remaster, by the way, I think
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you said you did of Chrono Cross. Yeah, you said
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Chrono trigger.
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Did I say chrono Oh geez, here we go again.
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That's gonna happen a lot, I'm sure.
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So I thought maybe you stopped and played through Chrono
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triggeracy that you could extract the adequate lore put.
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A pin in that. But did you have you played
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the remaster of Cronocross.
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I've not played it from beginning to end, but I have.
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I have tinkered with it.
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Let's put it that way, okay, okay tinkering. Did you
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like switch Steam? What do you do in that?
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Yeah?
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Steam PC PC Okay, cool, but yes I did. I
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didn't beat it on the remaster. I got up to
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the very end, like a little beyond what we're going
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to start with today. I got up a little past that.
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But yes, cross Chrono Cross be chronal cross. Unpinned that
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pin because I also beat Chrono trigger.
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Oh okay, there we go.
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Yes, it has been it has been so long since
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I've played it. I don't say vehemently disagree, but I
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don't agree with a lot of what I said. What
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I remember saying the last time I played it, like
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twenty twenty four, I think I said it was just fine.
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I've kind of I've kind of done a three sixty.
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I think it might be the perfect starter JRPG kind
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of full stop, Like I think I would put that
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above f F six in a lot of ways. Not
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my favorite, but man, it's just a perfect game almost.
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I think that's extremely fair. I think if you start,
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if you're trying to introduce somebody to the genre, especially
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the retro JRPG, if we can call it that for
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a second, I think Chrono Trigger is probably.
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The best place to start.
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It's because it's just so fine tuned and you don't
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have to deal with a lot of the things that
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many of us who grew up with JRPGs kind of
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learned to deal with, like you know, the grinding or
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the excessive excessive encounters, or you know, not bringing a
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torch to a dungeon or whatever in Dragon Quest. Things
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like that are kind of quality of life out by
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that point in time, and I think Chrono Trigger can
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really can really grab you. And it's probably fair to
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say that a lot of people, especially people our age,
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probably got into JRPGs, either in via Chrono Trigger or
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via Final Fantasy seven if they weren't in on day
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one like some of us were.
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Yeah, I think that's probably true. Great, and it's a
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great starting point too. And I think we mentioned before,
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maybe obliquely, maybe adjacently, something like that. Choose your adjective
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that Chrono Trigger is more of a prerequisite than a
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lot of folks let on. That is going to become
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front and center today, center stage, that is, that's where
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the spotlight's going to be. So I beat Cross beat
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Cross again, I beat Trigger. I also started Radical Dreamers,
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didn't finish it, though I'm surprised at how much I
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like it.
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Yeah, we were talking pre show about how I love
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when a game, especially an older game, surprises me, and
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I was also very surprised by how much I liked
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Radical Dreamers. And I've not played the official translation, but
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even when I was playing the fan translation, which was
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quite good, there were a couple of weird things here
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and there, but it was well done. I guess I
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would describe my experience with Radical Dreamers as like there's
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some even though I didn't play when I was a kid,
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I feel sentimental about it.
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I think it reminds me a lot of like I
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wasn't a library kid capital L capital K whenever I
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was younger, but I did really love checking out books
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from the library, and I was particularly fond of the
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Choose your Own Adventure Goosebumps books. It reminds me a
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lot of that. I mean, yeah, you do get to
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choose where you go and everything, but seeing the battles
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described by Surge instead of you just you know, choosing
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attack magic item, that's really neat, I admit, though I
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didn't get far in in the story to actually have
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really anything of notes so far. It's just kind of
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been like an informal D and D session. But my
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understanding is that it, like most of the Chrono universe,
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is kind of nebulous insofar as how it ties in
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and how it is a quote unquote canon.
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Yeah, I think that's fair.
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I think that a lot of the a lot of
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the plot.
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Points that we'll end up discussing in this in this
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podcast are kind of layered in on the back end
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of Radical Dreamers. So a lot of the things, a
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lot of the revelations with Kid and I don't remember
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if the Frozen Flame is part of this, but a
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lot of the kind of lower reasons that Corona Cross
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likes to lay on est late in the game are
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all kind of there at least to seeds of them
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are there.
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And speaking of speaking of this podcast, that's what we're doing.
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Hello before we start, though, we do have one more,
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one more piece of community forum correspondence. That's always nice.
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That's a nice that's one nice thing about spaced out
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episodes like this, as we can get some more folks contributing.
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Speaking of somebody that you and I both know, this
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is the dude, he's a Biden, and he says this
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about Crono Trigger. He says, I played Trigger first, but
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only at a friend's place, so I never finished it.
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Before playing Cross. I finished Cross, but it never resonated
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with me for reasons I'm not even sure of. Honestly,
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my fondest memory related to the game is actually my
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friend performing the time Scar on viola for a school
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talent show. That's pretty cool. I'm not even gonna make
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fun of the viola. That's a nice memory.
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That's rocking.
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Yeah, that's shaken. We're shaken, Okay, I.
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Should I should have said shaken. I apologize.
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No, man, the Radical Dreamers are moving you. You're hearing
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that song. I can appreciate it.
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True.
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So this back half of this game, back third back half. However,
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it is sliced up on that pie. It is a
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lot they This is where almost all of the important
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narrative setup comes in. It is I mean, okay, so
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cards on the table. This is a messy, messy, messy game. However,
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I came away and this is just, you know, relatively
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soon after beating it, I came away. I would put
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this in my top five PS one JRPGs. I had
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a fantastic time. I adore a lot of what it's
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trying to do. I respect a lot of what it's
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trying to do, I think, and I think that's I
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think your mileage may vary on that. Like, I actually
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think it was you that said this at some point,
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whether it was on a recording or in this in
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the server somewhere, Chris, but I think you had said that.
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You found an interview where Masato Kato had said that,
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Oh yeah, you know, I don't think about the themes
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whenever I'm going to do a game, you know, I
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want to make sure it's a good game. And I
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think if you're looking at it that way, I can
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see how Cross would be pretty underwhelming leave you feeling
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pretty cold, and it's weird that he said that because
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all of the interesting things, all of the cool risks,
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the subversions that you had so aptly said, like at
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the very beginning deconstruction, I think is actually what you
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said so apt because that's where this game's identity and
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risks come in, and that's what makes it shine. I
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respect a lot of what it does. It doesn't always
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stick the landing, it fumbles. It is it's a beautiful mess.
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I love it.
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Though.
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I love this game so much. I loved so many
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things about it. I'm so glad I went through it.
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I do not agree with a lot of the hate
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for it from the Krono Trigger Army, Capital CTA. But
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you know, everybody has that one special game, so I
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can see where they're coming from. That's kind of you know,
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that's where it all is. Do do you have any thoughts?
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I know that when when we had started talking about this,
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I hadn't played it at all. I didn't know what
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was coming up in retrospect. I said some things that
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I'm sure you were biting your tongue a pretty pretty
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sternly intently. Do you have any any thoughts now that
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you're seeing somebody go through it? For the first time
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having played it yourself, of course.
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I think it's interesting to see how one progresses through
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this game where it kind of starts off with It
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starts off with the vibe, and I think it carries
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that vibe throughout the wistfulness that we've talked about, the
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underlying sadness. The humans are the real virus themes that
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are there too throughout the game, and it feels pretty
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disconnected from its namesake from Chrono Trigger. For I don't know,
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probably sixty sixty five percent of the game, there's a
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couple of Lord drops here and there, but once you
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kind of hit this back third of the game, it's
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like the floodgates open. Yeah, the damn breaks, the levies break, whatever,
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whatever you want to say, and all of the Chrono
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Trigger stuff comes rushing through and then some It's interesting
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that Kado said is that he doesn't really think about
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the game, that the themes of the game. He just
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makes the game. I think he's a liar. I don't
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think he believes that when he says that, you know,
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because the way this game is written, this game is
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definitely written by somebody who's who's kind of their heart
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is on their sleeve when they're when they're writting these
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these things, they would be wistfulness that's out there.
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Oh yeah, yeah, there is. There's a bit of a
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reductionist argument. I would call it that that you can
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say that the ending is basically just somebody's personal agenda
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or personal mantra. Uh, how have manifesto whatever you want
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to say, and they put it in there, and they said, okay,
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how do we get there? And they you know, worked
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from the beginning. They got to a certain point and
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they said, we need way more time to make this work.
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But yeah, we're on a deadline. That part I don't
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think is reductionist. I think that probably honestly actually happened.
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Uh yeah. I maybe it's like the whole uh what
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do you call it, the HR move that they did,
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the PR move at the very beginning, where they're like, no,
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this isn't a trigger, this isn't a trigger, this isn't
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a sequel to trigger. It's its own thing.
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Yeah. That really does feel like marketing speak, doesn't it.
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Yeah kind of. I'm glad that you mentioned that the
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humans are the real virus thing. That's I think that's
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something that we both well, I mean you know the game,
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but I think that's something that I included in on
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at some point, and it's interesting because I think, coming
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away from it, I think that the game's thesis as
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a whole use that as a bit of a guiding rail,
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like holding your hand, leading you by the hand to
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something bigger that I think this game is getting at,
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and that's more so the consequences of being alive and
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the consequences of humanity. V oh, who does I can't
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remember which philosopher said it might have been Camu, but
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said that we're condemned to be free because with all
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of that freedom comes all the choices and responsibilities and
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consequences that come with it. That's kind of what this
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is getting at, which is part of where my trouble
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comes in with the criticisms about it. When it concerns Trigger,
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a lot of folks will say that it's Trigger was
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so optimistic, said that you can do anything, and Cross
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gets overtly nihilistic. And I don't think that's the message
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that it ends on. I think it does want you
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to consider that for a long time. But the ending,
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to me, or actually I should say the good ending,
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that's a whole Kerfuffle feels significantly more optimistic. But I
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do like that they went away from the humans or
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the real virus kind of thing into more of like
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a consequences of humanity where it's like, yeah, environmentalism plays
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a role, you know, how are we harming the planet.
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But it's not just that. It's the colonialism like you
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had brought up with Pore, the impact that we have
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on other species like the dwarfs and the fairies, the
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impact on our you know, our neighbors. You know, whether
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we encourage somebody to be a poet or stay in
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their hometown and think that everything sucks and is hopeless.
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You know, I do the latter to all of my
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former high school friends. I berate them, I tell them
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to stop chasing their dreams. But chronocrossis saying, no, don't
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do that, or at least I think there.
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Is like a little bit of a push and pull
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between the humans are the real virus thing throughout the game,
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because on one hand, you do see the environmentalism.
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With the dwarves.
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the like the the ghosts that are invading Marbule, and
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the consequences of humanity, as you said, but also like
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when you think about what's pulling the other direction is
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the is lavos? And what is lavos if not a virus?
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So it's like almost a meditation or even a battle
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between how do we feel about this? How do we
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feel about humanity? Are we the virus or can we
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turn things back and stop the other virus, the lavos virus,
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the one that is sucking all the energy out of
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both the planet and eventually out of space time.
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I can see where.
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You're coming from, you know what, Let's let's hold on
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to that. Let's get into more of that. I think Lavos.
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I don't remember if Lavos played a big role in
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the previous episodes of this coverages whatever I suppose moving
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forward as we go through this, obviously a lot of
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this is not going to be beat by beat. There's
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just there's just way too much freaking lore to do that.
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It is impressively backloaded into this game. But if you're
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going through this, if you've just played it for the
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first time, I guess the question to keep in mind
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is that if you've played Trigger, keep in mind that
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idea that Chris had brought up, that of deconstruction everything
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that Chrono Trigger did, whether it's the optimistic tone, you
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can save fate, the hero will prevail. This game is
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asking but what if there are consequences to that? Or
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maybe but what if not? And I think there's a
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lot of cool stuff that happens there. And speaking of
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cool stuff, let's pick up with the mcguellancollie.
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Yes, we had.
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Just finished up with Miguel. We had talked to the
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Krona Trigger kids. The sky Dragon saves you. It drops
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you off back at Opassa Beach, kind of basically saying
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that it wants to see how things play out, and
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says that the next destination is the Sea of Eden,
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and that you need to speak with the six other Dragons,
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or with the six Dragons total. It is one of those.
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So there's a lot of stuff that happens between this
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being dropped off and finishing that last six Dragon. I'm
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gonna lead it up to you, Chris. I don't really
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have a lot to say about it. The gist is
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that you're basically going to go through and defeat each
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one while links in Surge's body is running a muck
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and causing havoc like the entire village of Arnie is
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completely deserted, Like they're all holed up in like in
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the Chief's hut or around there to play it safe,
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to be safe from links. They're so terrified. Pore has
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completely invaded Termina. They've got everything on lockdown. The bar
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is shut down, the shop is open to you anyway.
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The innkeeper ran away and says, just stay here for free.
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We're so terrified. Like things are bad. So you're kind
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of on at least in the game, you would think diegetically,
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you're on a bit of a time crunch. You aren't
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playing the game, but things aren't great. You got to
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go through get all of these dragons approval through battle.
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I don't have a lot to say about any of that,
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but there is quite a bit that happens. Is there
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anything that you wanted to talk about.
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Yeah, I just wanted to kind of make a comment
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about how these dragons are introduced from a structural a
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JRPG structural standpoint. But so I remember when when I
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first encountered this part of the game, when I played
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it originally and I was told to go meet the
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six dragons, I kind of felt like it was a
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bit of a cop out, like I don't. I don't
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always love RPGs, especially ones that are trying to do
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something more when they tell me to go find the
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various pieces of the try force, like, I really want
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a little more on the little more meat on the bone.
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I want to have a more of a.
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Well crafted story or plot around what I'm doing at
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all times. And so when I was told to go
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find these six different colored dragons, I was like, well, really,
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this is this how we're Is this how we're doing it?
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But as the as the fandom wiki calls them that
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there's a set. I was looking at the fandom wiki
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just now to remind myself of something and under gender
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for the for the dragons, it says cybernetic organism and
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so there's a lot more interesting lore behind the dragons.
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But I just remember when it was first introduced, I
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was like, is this the kind of RPG that this
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is going to be? Because I don't kron Trigger wasn't
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like that. You know, every time you went from A
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to B you really felt the reason why you were
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going there, and chasing down dragons felt a little odd
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to me, but I think.
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There's a big payoff later.
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I don't know how well. I don't know if that
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payoff is positive or negative, but there is a payoff later.
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I totally agree on all fronts. I felt the same way.
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It felt like a bit of a time killer, a
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time filler, time killer, time filler chrono. There's something in there.
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Imagine the best joke and attribute it to me. I
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think it's funny that you bring that up, because that's
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another part of the backloadedness of this. I also don't
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I also don't quite remember when they reveal that. I
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think it might be in literally one line that I
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have written down at some point, and they just kind
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of don't dwell on it. Games like this fan the
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fandom wiki, the chronocompendium for games like this, those are
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total god sends to fill in. Yeah, some of these,
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some of these gaps. It's it's a really cool world
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that they've created, a really cool story. And I think
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if you're not like in that from Cross, but then
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also from Trigger, especially from Trigger during this last last half,
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a lot of this is just going to wash right
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off of you. You know it too. This isn't this
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is a little bit tangential, but this reminded me of
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you had said like when you found that out that
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they were you know, cybernetic, or when you have to
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get all six approval whatever, and you're like, I don't
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know how this will play out. It reminded me at
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this point too. Of course, this is the last episode.
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I think spoilers can kind of freely fly, So I
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wanted to say I was spoiled on a pretty big
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point of this pretty early on, like way way way
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back in disc one, beginning of it by I don't
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remember what he's going by now TC in the retro
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am discord made a joke, a Xeno Gears esque joke
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like my father, you mean my cat dad, and you know,
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kind of put that together like links is your dad.
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I genuinely got so far into this game, like I
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thought that I had an hour left and I was like,
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I still haven't hit that reveal. What the hell is
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going on? It's it's I don't know, it's so bizarre.
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So much of this just comes at such a light
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speed pace. At the end of this it is, you know,
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it's I cannot deny, like I love it, but I
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cannot deny that this game it needed a lot more
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time in the oven.
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The yeah, the cat dad thing is a little, a
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little I guess reductionist, because I don't I never really
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think of Links as serch as Dad. I think of
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him more as a an envoy of the of the
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fate system that happened to use his dad's body at
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one point. I don't remember how he turned into a cat.
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I think as thing to do with Surge's deepest fear.
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Yeah, that's exactly it. And uh, in TC's defense, I
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think he was just making a joke. But uh, you know,
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I also to be fair too, I got spoiled by
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my own hand because I got a little bit too
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risky with those character tier lists. Uh, not that I
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care about them, like I'm not trying to mind Max
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my team, but I was just, you know, I was
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just looking just seeing who's where I think at the time, actually,
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I think at the time I was looking up Skelly
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and uh, oh, shoot Mickey, Mickey, because I knew you
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could get her. But at the time I didn't have her,
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and I got spoiled that Links was a party member potentially,
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so I I thought that somehow that Links was going
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to turn onto your side. Uh, but you know, we
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saw how that turned out.
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That's right. I thought you were going to say when
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you when you said that you were spoiled. I thought
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that you were going to say that you read about
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the the fate the fate system, Uh, because I think
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I had about it a little bit.
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Yeah, yeah that too, that too, I did, And it's
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because I looked up that quote at the end of
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the mcguelan Collie. But like, sometimes I love you so
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much and that's why I want to smash.
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You to bits.
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Yeah.
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Thing, Still have no idea, still have no clue what
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that's about.
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I went and reading about that after we had the
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last podcast so I could come back and say something
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interesting about it. And no, there's nothing. It's just it's
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just there.
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I don't really know.
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Weird, weird, weird weird. A lot of stuff happens. You
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get Grobic, new blue fighting mechanoid. Dude, do you.
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Find him cool?
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Because we had a big debate on our podcast on
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whether or not Grovik was cool. I thought he was cool.
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Eric Hatson, that.
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Is a loaded question.
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He's got a rocket fist, he's got cool hair.
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I think it's pretty cool that he uses his hair
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as a literal beam called haircutter.
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Yes, yes, he's the he's the proto Beyanetta. He also,
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you know, I'm sure that you recognize this, but we
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should call it out. But grow big backwards is cyborg?
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You know. I did not catch that.
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Actually, I think that's why Eric hates him, because that's
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kind of a cop out and naming system. You know,
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only al cards love to do stuff like that.
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Oh sure, No, I didn't catch that. Geez. Yeah, it's
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right in front of you too. Yeah, I don't know.
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I I tried to use him a little bit in
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my switch playthrough. He's fine. I don't know. He's fine.
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He's very strong, and I think he might be the
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strongest physical attacker in the game.
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Probably pretty close. Yeah, you could do a lot worse
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than him.
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Orcha turns into a hell demon hell Orcha. Yeah, before
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he joined he and then he joins you. That's pretty neat.
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There's a sewer level pissed me off to no end.
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I oh my god, dude, I rage quit once during that.
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I don't even remember the sewers. Where the sewer's at.
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It's you know, they're not even that big of a deal.
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I don't think it's underneath viper manner.
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Oh okay, I gotcha.
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Yeah, as you're going to save Redell as she's getting
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interrogated by Pore by uh, what's his face? Norris. I
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liked him at first because, like I really liked the
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system of turning on and off the water, the pressure
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and stuff. But there was one section that just turned
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me around, and I was going in circles for a
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half hour, and it just I was enraged. I couldn't
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even figure out where I was, where I went wrong
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in the walkthrough, so I ended up just going back
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to the beginning, retracing all of my steps. It was fine.
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A bit of a pain, though.
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Did you feel like they left something on the table
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with the interaction between the Draccoons and Pore and the
481
00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:54.559
entire interaction between those two factions and their their entanglement
482
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:57.440
or do you think that it was there was enough there.
483
00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:00.920
I think we could probably safely answer that question. Did
484
00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:04.480
they leave anything on the table with just a blanket? Yes, yes,
485
00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:08.000
a comma and then choose and or But yeah, no, totally,
486
00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:11.160
Especially after playing Chrono Trigger and even what I did
487
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.680
play of Radical Dreamers. They bring up the dragoons. I
488
00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:16.559
think they bring up Pore in there at least once.
489
00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:20.039
But Krono Trigger obviously Pore is you know, it's a
490
00:25:20.079 --> 00:25:24.480
major town or a town anyway, pretty big part. Yeah,
491
00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:27.039
I really wish that we could have learned more about that.
492
00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:31.039
It's interesting that we don't get so much that we
493
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:33.519
don't get much on that one, because it feels like
494
00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:38.079
there were a lot of characters and you know, geopolitical
495
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.279
things that you could explore with Pore and its interactions
496
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.599
with the larger Chrono Trigger world. But at the same time,
497
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:47.640
we're supposed to be on an isolated island as well,
498
00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:50.400
where we're not supposed to know about the outside world,
499
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:55.079
given how this place was constructed by the time fortress
500
00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:58.039
or whatever. We're going to get into soon. So I
501
00:25:58.079 --> 00:25:59.720
guess it kind of makes sense that we don't get
502
00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:01.759
to see much mainland stuff. But I think that if
503
00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:03.319
we could have explored those characters a little bit more,
504
00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:05.720
we could have gotten a little bit more deeper into
505
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:10.200
their relationships and how they perceive.
506
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:13.480
The ongoings of this of these islands, you know what.
507
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:16.440
Too. Before I was just looking ahead to where we're
508
00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:19.440
about to go before we do, though, you know where,
509
00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:21.400
that would have been cool to learn more about it,
510
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:24.440
like a whole flashback scenario, like a whole mini portion
511
00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:25.960
of the game. I think it would have been cool
512
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:31.000
is doing this side quest involving Dario, which gets you
513
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.839
the game breakingest weapon I've ever seen.
514
00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:36.880
Yeah, do you mean the Master Mune?
515
00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:38.400
I mean the Master Mune.
516
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:39.119
Yeah.
517
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:41.960
The whole Dario thing I thought was awesome because you
518
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.559
do get a little bit of a resolution, at least
519
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:47.599
a partial resolution of the Dragoon's storyline.
520
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:48.839
And Dario is.
521
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:51.839
I think they did a good job of larry layering
522
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:55.599
him into the backstory. In the limited amount of time
523
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.640
we get to see Glenn and Karsh and all those
524
00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:03.000
people interact, we hear about Dario, and when we finally
525
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:04.960
get to meet him, it is it is a pretty
526
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:08.000
pivotal moment. Maybe not for the larger plot, but I
527
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:11.119
think for like the way this game wraps up the
528
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:12.839
Dragoon storyline.
529
00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:16.440
I agree it's one of my Well, there aren't many
530
00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:18.319
side quests in this game, so I can't even say
531
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:21.000
it's one of my favorites, but I really liked how
532
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.160
they handled him. It's my favorite fight in the game.
533
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:27.079
I would say by far. It's very difficult, but there's
534
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:28.960
a trick to it, and if you learn the trick.
535
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:31.920
It's it's almost really tough to lose.
536
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:34.519
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the trick
537
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:38.920
is that he's always he often are always counters with
538
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:41.640
a certain element based on what you cast it before.
539
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:42.240
Am I wrong?
540
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:45.039
No, you're exactly right, And that's okay. That's where the
541
00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:47.599
trick is. Is that he's got an attack pattern. It's
542
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:49.599
I don't know what it is. It's like attack twice
543
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:52.680
special move and then like a super special move or something,
544
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:55.400
and he'll just loop that. Oh, and then one of
545
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:59.359
those is also this is a proper turn, by the way,
546
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.440
countering the last element used with the opposite on whoever
547
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:06.559
used it or something. But you can interrupt that cycle
548
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:09.680
at any point by using any element on him, and
549
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:11.920
depending on what element you use, he's going to counter
550
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:15.039
with the opposite. And a nice trick is is if
551
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:18.200
you have a magic user, for example, you can just
552
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.359
use I think it's green, like something green, and he'll
553
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:27.039
hit that magic user with low res lowers their defense.
554
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:28.839
Actually that was a bad example. I think I meant
555
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.279
whichever one lowers their physical attack, But you know what
556
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:34.400
I mean. You can choose the system a little bit
557
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:38.960
by interrupting his turn count forcing those counters that kind
558
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.079
of debuff you, but in a way that doesn't matter,
559
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:43.880
and functionally you can get through the fight just fine.
560
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:45.599
I didn't know that my first time around, and I
561
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:48.920
got slaughtered. It just was not even close. He is
562
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:50.720
a tough, tough cookie.
563
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:54.640
I have multiple memories of bosses that I got stuck
564
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:57.519
on when I was younger. One of them is the
565
00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:59.960
Bronze Dogs from Lunar, and the other one.
566
00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:00.759
Is is Dario.
567
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:04.519
And it's because I did not recognize this pattern until
568
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:07.400
I was a fully grown adult. I think it's what happened.
569
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:09.400
I may have not even recognized it as a fully
570
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.039
grown adult. I may have just read about it, But
571
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:14.079
I remember this being extremely difficult and having to just
572
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:16.720
get by on the teetering on the edge of life
573
00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:18.640
and death, let's put it that way, in order to
574
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:20.920
get through it. But you're right, you can just kind
575
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:23.240
of breathe through if you know what to do.
576
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:25.960
Yeah, if the cogs of fate are turning in your noggin,
577
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:27.319
you're gonna get through just fine.
578
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:30.880
Yes, Now, did you were you able to do this
579
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.559
with Glenn and your party or you took the alternate route?
580
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.799
I think no, I saved kids, so I never got
581
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:39.880
the chance to get Glenn and for some reason in
582
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:41.839
my switch play through, I did the exact same thing.
583
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:44.559
And I remember I said that it sounded like a
584
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:48.279
worse game whenever we talked about that at first, with
585
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:50.039
the option to not save her. I think at the
586
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:52.079
time I didn't realize that kid was going to come
587
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:54.039
back no matter what, Like Kid was going to be
588
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:56.559
saved no matter what. I don't know. I thought that
589
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.359
she would just be gone until the plot needed her,
590
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:00.559
right right.
591
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.160
Well, you were talking about you reminded me and I'm
592
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:05.240
trying to see if you have to do this with
593
00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:09.160
glennon or for this to occur, and uh, the internet
594
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:10.960
is telling me no. But when you were talking about
595
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:13.880
broken weapons, first of all, let's can we talk. But
596
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:15.359
before I get into that, let me talk about the
597
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:18.000
Master Immune. I think sure that was a cool callback,
598
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:20.519
even though it was out of nowhere. It was a
599
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:26.440
cool callback to see the the Masamune become whole again,
600
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:28.599
because I was pretty pissed at it. They turned it
601
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:30.559
into an evil sword, so it was that that that
602
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.839
entire section was was nice to see that thing become
603
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.640
hole again, even though it kind of feels like they
604
00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:39.559
shoehorned it into the game to be an ultimate weapon.
605
00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:41.039
I'm still in.
606
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:44.200
Here for it, right, especially the role that Massa and
607
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:47.799
Muni played in Corono trigger Like, having just replayed it,
608
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:50.039
they're much more prominent than I remember.
609
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:52.759
Yeah, yeah, there's it's a whole It's a whole thing.
610
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.160
Let's put it that way. But the other broken weapon
611
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:57.519
in this game is the is When you are Glenn,
612
00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:01.359
you can equip the islandser once you get it throughout
613
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:03.960
the story, but then you can go back to I
614
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:08.559
believe the Dario's Grave in the another world or in
615
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:11.000
the homeworld doesn't matter. You go back to the other
616
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.599
world and get the Ininlancer again, and then Glenn can
617
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:18.240
dual wield Islancers and it's it's also one of the
618
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:19.440
most broken things in the game.
619
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:24.839
Oh that's so badass, though, especially with how cool Garai
620
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.240
is it Gray the dual wields them when you fight him.
621
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:31.039
Mm hmm. Yeah, especially and that's Glenn's dad appropriately enough.
622
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:35.200
Glenn's dad is a great question. I thought Garay was
623
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:35.839
older than that.
624
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:40.200
You got to be older to be his dad, older
625
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:40.920
than his dad would be.
626
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.839
Hold on, let's find out. I'm gonna look great right now.
627
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:45.240
Oh did I say his dad. I meant his father. Sorry.
628
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:49.400
Oh yeah, okay, I needed that point of clarification. Let's
629
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:52.000
see here. Yes, he was born to Garai in one
630
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:54.599
thousand and eight and raised in a log cabin with
631
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:56.279
Dario next to Zappa's smithy.
632
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:57.559
There you go, right there.
633
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:00.720
Hey we did it. Yeah, that is very cool. That
634
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:05.400
whole scene with fighting Gry Badass another really great fight.
635
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:07.160
That's cool to hear that Glenn can do that. So
636
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.799
it's is it just busted in terms of its damage stat.
637
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.519
Yeah, it's really strong. And then one other thing to
638
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:16.319
note here is that Glenn has a dual tech with Serge,
639
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:19.319
which is the the X Strike, which is a call
640
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.279
back to the Krono and Frog X Strike, and it
641
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:27.880
just becomes supremely broken when one has the Master Mune
642
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:29.960
and the other one has the dual is Lansers.
643
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:30.680
It's very strong.
644
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:33.680
So the Master Mune, once you get it, you can
645
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:38.200
equip it to Serge. It functionally creates pretty much every time,
646
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.519
like eight out of ten times it's gonna quit. You
647
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:43.000
are going to be doing Bookoo damage throughout the rest
648
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.920
of the game. It makes a lot of these battles
649
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:49.079
pretty inconsequential. I didn't struggle with a single thing after
650
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:54.160
fighting Dario, even up until the very very final couple
651
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:57.519
of bosses. Just easy, psy And you know, you can
652
00:32:57.559 --> 00:32:59.519
always just do that question and not equip it. But
653
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:10.160
you're not going to do that. We both know it.
654
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:23.160
Did you ever go back to the destroyed viper manner
655
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:24.200
after doing this quest?
656
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:26.200
No? I didn't do you get something special?
657
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:30.000
You don't get anything special from a mechanical standpoint, but
658
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:34.079
Daria will be there, and he decides to start an
659
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.480
orphanage at the site of the destroyed viper manner.
660
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.440
Oh nice. I kind of like that too. I mean,
661
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:41.920
that's obviously a theme with Luca.
662
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:43.839
Oh yeah, good point.
663
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:46.359
I'm not even gonna say anything just yet because we're
664
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:48.559
going to talk about that, but this game does kind
665
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:50.519
of have that nested as a theme within there of
666
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:53.960
they talk about that returning to the scene and then
667
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:58.279
being reborn, like that sort of cyclical idea of eternal recurrence,
668
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.319
eternal rebirth, things like that. That's sort of nested within here,
669
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:04.119
and they do that seemingly too in a few different
670
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:08.320
areas with the next generations, you know, looking after the
671
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:10.440
next generations to make them. And that's kind of a
672
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:13.599
universal theme you could say about just about anything. But
673
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.920
I don't know. They did orphanages twice, so I guess
674
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:21.440
it's I guess it's worth mentioning. So Master Mune, Master Mune.
675
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:24.159
Once you have that. Once I had that, I went
676
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:28.639
to Fortragonia. That's after defeating the six Dragons. The six
677
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:34.280
Toads Toads Worms Dragons, you go to Fortragonia where you
678
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.400
start the game, and it culminates with a fight with
679
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:44.840
Dark Surge aka links in your body. Totally total. It
680
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:47.679
was over for me at the time. On my PS
681
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:50.440
one play through, Ridell's Magic was just insane. I had
682
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:53.920
Karci's Level seven tech and the Master Mune two turns
683
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:55.039
and the battle was done.
684
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:57.280
Wow, So you.
685
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.119
Did the You must have done that Dario thing a
686
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:02.000
lot earlier than I did.
687
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:03.519
Yeah, I was.
688
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:04.400
You can get it.
689
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:06.519
Pretty much anytime, so that's cool.
690
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.119
Yeah, I was. You know, I don't love following guides,
691
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:12.360
but I was following a guide and it suggested just
692
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.079
doing it. Then kind of glad I did. I mean,
693
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.559
I struggled real bad with Dario at the time, but
694
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:21.679
you know, I don't know, I'm fine with it. It
695
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.360
does make a lot of these fights pretty simple. Though
696
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:27.199
you beat him, you lose. In the cut scene, he
697
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:29.480
gets away and at the top this is where we're
698
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:32.039
finally going to get our body back in a way.
699
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:36.320
But when you do that, you proceed inside alone and
700
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:41.239
you get some interesting lore. The dragon teer is up here,
701
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:45.840
and you get this whole evolutionary timeline. And here's the text.
702
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.000
Here's what it says. All life is born of the sea.
703
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:51.960
The life forms softly slumbered within the womb of our
704
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:55.159
mother ocean, until eventually they develop free will and we're
705
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:58.000
able to swim out the ocean freely. Then there came
706
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:00.480
those that not satisfied with life on the water, looked
707
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:03.039
up from the ocean floor towards the blue skies and
708
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:06.480
dreamed of the feel of the land. Pretty straightforward, so
709
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.960
far eons passed before the preposterous dream became a reality,
710
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.000
and they rose up from the seas onto the earth.
711
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.840
The land became full of all kinds of creatures. Among
712
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:18.559
these the dragon lizards and the more evolved reptites. Thought
713
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:21.079
that they would rain over the earth forever, and for
714
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.920
a long while it seemed that they would However, the
715
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:28.039
unforeseen coming of the mighty One from the heavens suddenly
716
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:31.639
smashed their kingdom to pieces, the one known as Lavos,
717
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:35.760
the great crimson Flame. Wielding absolute power, Lavos buried the
718
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:38.760
dinosaurs the kings of the land in the space of
719
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:42.320
a night. However, the timid apes, who had lived hidden
720
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.000
in the forests, came into contact with the Crimson Flame
721
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:48.840
that fell from the sky and evolved into humans. Perhaps
722
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:52.880
this was not evolution but transformation. Regardless, humans increased in
723
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:56.719
number and filled the Earth, the fearsome progeny of Lavos,
724
00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:00.960
just like their progenitor, began to devour our mother planet.
725
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:06.119
So the consequences of humanity our consequences on the Earth
726
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.840
and on everything around us, and we being the progeny
727
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.000
of Labos. I think that's very interesting, especially considering, you know,
728
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:16.280
the Greek myth of Prometheus is sort of the one
729
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:18.679
at least in you know, in Greek myth of how
730
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:22.400
humans came to be Prometheus in this game is robo,
731
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.280
something you might not have even learned in Chrono Trigger.
732
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:28.639
Actually that's optional, so you might that whole section that
733
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:32.559
that's coming up might fall totally flat, But here it's
734
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:34.519
less of a divine blessing and more of a sort
735
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:38.119
of a sort of an artifacting off of a cursed object,
736
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:41.119
nothing but bad things. And I'm kind of glad that
737
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:44.000
they didn't hone in on that and really make that
738
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.880
a focus. I don't think it was so cliche at
739
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.199
the time, but you know, humans are the real virus.
740
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:51.960
It's it's just been done so many times before, probably
741
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.920
better too. And also I think it would have convoluted
742
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:58.599
an already pretty convoluted story that they would have had
743
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.920
to cut more and things just wouldn't have flown as
744
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:05.679
well as they're trying to now. I do think it's neat, though.
745
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:09.400
I think it's I appreciate that they're bringing Lavos back
746
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:12.840
to this as often as they can to remind you
747
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:17.000
that it is kind of at the center of everything
748
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:20.199
and that it's far more powerful than you might have realized,
749
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:21.840
or at least I realized.
750
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.719
And this is also the first time that well it's
751
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:27.360
not the first time that we hear about Lavos in
752
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:29.480
this game, I don't think, but it's the first time
753
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.320
we hear about the reptites, which was something that kind
754
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:34.960
of took me for a loop the first time I
755
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.239
played this game, I was like, so we're going there too, right?
756
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:41.400
And at first it feels like a reference to like
757
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:44.360
kind of fill you in on the backstory or the
758
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:48.880
lore that we're leading up to by just briefly mentioning
759
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.079
the Reptites. But as we'll find out later, the Reptits
760
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:56.480
are much more intertwined with the story than simply just
761
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:01.280
a history or a prehistory to the the uh, the
762
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:02.719
Frozen Flame and the Dragon Teer.
763
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:07.159
Yeah, and I can't remember in Chrono Trigger, whenever you
764
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:11.440
go back and fight Azala in that whole timeline, is
765
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:13.880
that is that a separate timeline or is that like
766
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.559
where the timeline could have split for the Reptits to
767
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:19.760
win back then as well against Elis tribe, like that
768
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:20.679
whole battle.
769
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:23.760
That the the Reptits, as we'll get into, I'm sure
770
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:28.800
the Reptits timeline did not split in my understanding until
771
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:32.239
the time that Chronopolis was sent back through time.
772
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:36.800
Okay, okay, man, there's gonna there's gonna be a lot
773
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:37.039
of that.
774
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:37.639
Yeah.
775
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.880
I stopped there so I wouldn't say anything wrong. Yeah.
776
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:45.280
You, So, after you get this little info dump, history
777
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:48.840
surge is literally reborn and new. We get a birth
778
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:52.800
sequence returns to the sea and comes from the sea.
779
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:56.400
He's engulfed in this water. This is a pretty trippy
780
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.360
between this and like the transformation into Links, this game
781
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:02.559
isn't afraid to do some pretty whacked out stuff with
782
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:08.000
its cgs. But you sort of get reborn. You're an
783
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.400
infant and you grow alarmingly fast into a big naked man.
784
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.679
Well not a man, however, Old Serge is sixteen seventeen,
785
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:20.480
and of course you magically get clothes too, so that's nice.
786
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:24.000
But you're back. This isn't in your front too, This
787
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:26.960
isn't your real body, This is just a new one.
788
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:30.280
Links still has your body, so but you're you're reborn
789
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:36.239
anew and this this, this cracks me up. I'm just
790
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:40.480
gonna read what happens here. The tear cracks, it shatters,
791
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:43.480
it breaks, which and at the time you're like, oh man,
792
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:46.559
this is a big deal. You walk out and Stina,
793
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:53.079
the priestess from the Dragonian shrine in goldof goldof yes,
794
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:55.719
thank you. Here's what Steina says. Steina says, there's nothing
795
00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:58.719
we can do about the dragon tear. It's shattering does
796
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:02.079
not come as a surprise. However, you also carry the
797
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:05.920
fate of the Dragon Teer from another world, the broken
798
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:09.039
pieces of Love and Hate. Although contradictory, there are two
799
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:12.360
sides of the same coin. A mysterious force may come
800
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.199
to light when the two pieces are united. Perhaps this
801
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:18.920
force will be the legendary Chrono Cross. The only problem
802
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:20.800
is the shrine, which is said to give life to
803
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:23.559
the Cronocross, is nothing but a cavern. She kind of
804
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:27.199
hints it as to where it's at. I don't know
805
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.800
what the thought process behind this could have been, other
806
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.920
than we've got to get the namesake into the game
807
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:39.679
as like an object. I really love and hate two
808
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.960
sides like the Dragon Teer. I'm gonna be honest with you, man,
809
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.639
I still don't even really know the import of the
810
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:50.119
Dragon Teer. I don't know. This all feels this is
811
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:53.119
sort of the beginning where it feels like they're doing
812
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:55.519
stuff just to get to where they knew they wanted
813
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:59.719
to go, and that's more important than how they got there. Again,
814
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.639
the game, it does feel like they do that quite
815
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:03.079
a bit, though.
816
00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:06.119
I think you're absolutely right, because the Dragon Teer does
817
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:10.159
feel kind of shoved in here a little bit because
818
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:14.039
we've been hearing so much about the existence of the
819
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:17.920
Frozen Flame, and then suddenly we are confronted with the
820
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:21.679
importance of the Dragon Teer, with not a whole lot
821
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:25.119
to go on to understand why it's important, and as
822
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:26.480
far as we can tell, I don't know if we
823
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:28.079
can tell this now at this point in the game,
824
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:29.519
but by the end of the game, as far as
825
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.599
we can tell, the Dragon Teer is just some sort
826
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:37.840
of mystical object that was crafted by the ancient Dragonians
827
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:42.639
or the Reptits, if you will, and it is important
828
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:48.079
to create the Chrono Cross. But I don't understand why
829
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:52.599
the Chrono Cross is intertwined with the existence of the
830
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.800
Dragon Tier, because I always thought the Chronal Cross had
831
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:59.400
something to do with Belthazar's master plan, And how can
832
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.599
that be part of his master plan if it had
833
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:07.119
to do with the Dragonians from the split timeline that
834
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:12.239
his fortress went to war with during the time crash.
835
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:14.679
Is that enough proper nouns for you? Like?
836
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:16.800
It just doesn't You can there's a lot of things
837
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:17.840
in this game you can connect.
838
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:20.639
I can connect with my yarn on the on the corkboard,
839
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:21.719
but I cannot connect this one.
840
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:23.400
It's it's this one's more difficult.
841
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:26.880
Yeah, I got nothing. I got nothing other than you know,
842
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:30.599
maybe there's an explanation that Belthazar just foresaw all of this.
843
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:33.119
There's there's a line or two that makes me think
844
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:36.239
that's probably just an answer and answer to everything, like
845
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.039
he knew it, he knew it was coming, he foresaw it.
846
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:42.800
Maybe I don't know, but this is really the only
847
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:44.880
hint that you get that this is an item in
848
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:47.440
the game that you might want to think about getting
849
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:50.719
if you want to get an ending kind of if
850
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:53.960
you want to get and ending. Really, but that's it.
851
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:57.079
That's your hint. I wouldn't have figured it out personally,
852
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:01.199
especially because that part in the map, the Divine Dragon falls,
853
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:03.480
it's not marked. You just have to know to go
854
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:05.559
there and press X and get in there.
855
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:06.440
Yeah.
856
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.679
I think there's a couple of places where you can
857
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:11.679
get where you can get a clue here and there.
858
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:16.840
But this game does a pretty bad job of giving
859
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:20.599
you the grammar, so to speak, to deal with its puzzles,
860
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:23.079
because not only is this a problem, but the way
861
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:24.800
you have to unlock the final ending is also a
862
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:27.320
problem because while the game does like layer in some
863
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.360
hands here and there, it doesn't actually go all the
864
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:33.239
way and teach you how to how to solve it.
865
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:35.119
If you're gonna have a good puzzle in a game,
866
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:36.599
you need to be taught how to solve it. If
867
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:40.639
it's not completely intuitive, and the Corona Cross itself is
868
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:41.880
not intuitive at all.
869
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:46.119
Yeah, completely agree. It's there are a lot of you
870
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:48.079
could say a lot of JRPGs don't put the trust
871
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:50.719
in their players and they kind of spoon feed you stuff.
872
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:53.719
They over corrected with this. I think they put too
873
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:57.400
much trust into me. I'm dumb and I need some help.
874
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.719
Yeah, this reminds me of On our p cast recently,
875
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:04.880
we've been talking a little bit about Rako Kodama who
876
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.559
worked on Fantasy Star four in Skys of Arcadia, and
877
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:12.840
she when they were designing Fantasy Stars, she did not
878
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:16.559
want to put any uh numbers in the game, like
879
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:20.440
weapon values in the game, because there was She didn't
880
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:24.199
want to that level of abstraction, and somebody had to
881
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:26.920
tell her no. I feel like somebody needed to tell
882
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:31.639
Kato or whoever made this decision no on some of
883
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:34.440
these some of these in game scenario pieces that you've
884
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:37.280
got to you've got to extrapolate. We need we need
885
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.920
a little bit more on the edge. So like you don't,
886
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:41.039
we don't have. We don't want to.
887
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:41.880
We don't want to.
888
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:44.639
Have to be smart to beat Corona Cross. We want
889
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:46.920
to have we want to feel smart, and they don't
890
00:45:46.920 --> 00:46:09.320
do a very good job of making you feel smart.
891
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:14.239
We're getting into this place called Fort Cronopolis. You had
892
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:18.800
mentioned a little bit about Dinopolis. Fort Kronopolis is sort
893
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:24.639
of it's one side of that Duopolis. Sure, it is
894
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.800
a research facility. It's it's pretty clear. It's very clearly
895
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:32.679
that and between talking to some of these ghost apparition figures,
896
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:35.880
there are like people around between that and I think
897
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:38.119
there's like a plaque on the wall somewhere. This is
898
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:41.639
the year twenty four hundred AD, which if you've played
899
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:45.880
Chrono Trigger, that's one hundred years after the Ruined Future
900
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:48.480
where you find Robo and Proto Dome or is that
901
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:49.039
twenty four.
902
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:51.039
Hundred it's twenty three or twenty four.
903
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.599
Yeah, yeah, it's the same. It's it's roughly the same time,
904
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.599
but it's this is advanced enough and clearly not ruined
905
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:01.280
to indicate this is a branch of the timeline.
906
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:01.760
I e.
907
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:06.679
This is the timeline that Chrono and crewe defeated Labos.
908
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.599
This is the saved timeline, the timeline that shouldn't have
909
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:15.920
been According to mcgallan, cally, you learn so much throughout here,
910
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:18.840
and actually I'm realizing I didn't write some of it down.
911
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:24.159
But that's okay, because we're experts, we're smart, so cool,
912
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:25.760
we feel smart anyway.
913
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:29.559
Yeah, let's make ourselves feel smart by talking broadly about what.
914
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:30.079
This thing is.
915
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:33.039
I don't know if we learn to hear, but we'll
916
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:34.400
learn it at some point in this game. And I
917
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.639
think all spoilers on the table now, right, mm hmm. Okay,
918
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.239
So throughout the course of the rest of this game,
919
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:44.199
we learned that Chronopolis is a product or an invention
920
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:48.119
of of Belthazar, who was one of the three Guru
921
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:51.760
that the time Guru or whatever that we met in
922
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.239
chronol Trigger And is he the same guy we met
923
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:56.039
in the library in fiber manner? Possibly?
924
00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:57.400
I think that's him, right.
925
00:47:57.719 --> 00:47:58.559
Yeah, that's him.
926
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:01.599
Okay, I couldn't remember which one if there were two
927
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:03.440
gurus in this game or not.
928
00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:05.760
Oh, don't do that. Don't throw that variable in there, man.
929
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.199
I'm pretty sure there's nothing I know milkyers not And
930
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.880
I think maybe gas bar was not either. Okay, anyway,
931
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:16.000
let's go ahead and stop talking about the gold frankensins OFMRR.
932
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:19.679
The he built. I'm not exactly sure why he built it.
933
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:21.079
I don't know if it was just like to study
934
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:24.960
the flow of time or figure out how to change
935
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:27.320
the past before the past got or the future got
936
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:28.679
fixed by Krono and friends.
937
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:29.079
I don't know.
938
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.039
But what we do know is that this place is
939
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:34.639
powered by the frozen flame. And that's part of why
940
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:39.800
the frozen flame is so important as this like mcguffin
941
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:43.920
or lower object, and we will find out, or maybe
942
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:48.159
we already know that the frozen flame is a a
943
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:53.920
shard of lavos. It's a fragment of lavos that perhaps
944
00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:57.400
maybe transcends time. I'm not quite sure. I do know
945
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.480
that it is like some sort of energy source. Also,
946
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:04.239
this place, if I remember correctly, is run by a
947
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.880
computer system or an AI or whatever you want to
948
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.280
call it, called called Fate. Those are the I think
949
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:15.639
the overarching facts of what of what Chronopolis is and
950
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:18.760
what it's supposed to do. If you would like to
951
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:21.440
talk about what happened, we can we I can proceed.
952
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.480
No, yeah, we might as well that's yeah, that's spot
953
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:28.360
on Fate. When Miguel, Miguel started referring to Fate in
954
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:30.960
all caps, and when I saw that, I was like,
955
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:33.280
what does that mean. That's when I looked up that
956
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:35.079
quote online. That's when I saw that Fate was a
957
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:40.679
like a thing, a computer program, an entity. This is
958
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:43.800
the clue as to why he did that. You start
959
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:48.400
seeing Fate being typed spoken in all caps. It's a
960
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:50.719
computer program. It runs this place here. They're all doing
961
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:53.199
experiments on the frozen flame. I think we learned that
962
00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:55.880
it's part of Lavos, like at the very very tail end.
963
00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:58.960
At the same time, I've also been wiki surfing quite
964
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.239
a bit, so a lot of this stuff is sort
965
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:03.000
of muddled up in my noodle.
966
00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:04.840
Yeah, yeah, me too.
967
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:10.159
I mentioned earlier the term time crash, and that's capital
968
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:14.880
T capital C TC TC shout out. I don't remember
969
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:17.639
what call it the time crash. Maybe you do, but
970
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.599
something call it the time crash, some sort of historical event.
971
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:25.280
I actually do now that you mention it. I think
972
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:28.440
Kid says that it the flame goes out of control,
973
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:31.039
and I think it was due to bellth Azar's testing,
974
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:34.719
like desperately wanting to have control over this time to
975
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:39.679
undo a lot of the shit that Lavos has wrought
976
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:40.440
onto the world.
977
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:46.519
Right, Yeah, Okay, so the mad Scientists experiment causes this
978
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:50.280
time crash, which somehow I guess because through the power
979
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:55.000
of Lavos or what have you, throws Chronopolis I think,
980
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:59.360
ten thousand years into the past. M Then the entire
981
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:03.159
thing kind of goes goes wrong. Science goes wrong, science
982
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:06.559
goes bad. I'm not sure if it's if it's implied
983
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:09.119
or if this is just something that I've always thought,
984
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:11.800
but like it feels to me like since it was
985
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:15.440
powered by part of Lavos, Lavos had some sort of
986
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:20.119
of doing some hand in this, some hand in sending
987
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:25.639
this thing backward in time in order to I guess survive, right,
988
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:27.559
because we know Lavos is going to be killed by
989
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:31.559
Chrono and friends. But in twenty four hundred AD, when
990
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:37.199
Lavos has already read havoc on the world, it's also
991
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:40.519
in I guess in current present day or whatever, it's
992
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:44.400
trying to figure out a way to survive the event
993
00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:47.360
of Chrono trigger. So perhaps Lavos is the one who
994
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:51.599
pulled Chronopolis back in time in order to calls whatever
995
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:53.920
we're about to talk about and I think.
996
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:58.639
That's explicitly mused over by somebody else. I can't remember
997
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:02.639
if its belt is our kid, but let's catch folks
998
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:05.280
up just in case, real quick. So Lynks is up
999
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:07.440
here at the top of Chronopolis. You go through the
1000
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.320
whole center. I like it quite a bit. It's a
1001
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:13.079
nice little dungeon. You get to talk to as many
1002
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:15.559
of these ghosts as you want to get some details
1003
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:18.320
about them. Doing the testing, you get some more info
1004
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:23.000
about the reptits and their civilization. They mentioned Zeel quite
1005
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:26.039
a few times, the magical city of zeal It's apparently
1006
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:29.280
seen as a myth. Nobody can find any records that
1007
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:34.039
it even occurred, so presumably Lavos wiping it out achieved
1008
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:36.880
whatever it was looking for. Lynx is the very top
1009
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.119
frozen there. Oh sorry, yeah, sorry, Well I was gonna say.
1010
00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:41.800
One other thing that you can find in here is
1011
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.039
a I think you can read on a computer screen.
1012
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:50.599
The first paragraph or two of Radical Dreamers is in
1013
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:53.800
Oh yes, And I'm not sure what that implies. I'm
1014
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:55.599
not sure if that's a funny easter egg or if
1015
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:57.679
that's supposed to imply that that is also one of
1016
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:02.559
these time shards of or timelines.
1017
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:05.679
Yeah, it's like a little log, like a digital diary.
1018
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:09.239
And what's interesting is it's it has kids saying the
1019
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:13.079
exact thing she says the beginning of Krono Cross say
1020
00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:15.320
your prayer's link not like links, not like it'll do
1021
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:18.519
any good, or something to that effect, which then throw
1022
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:22.119
then throws in a bunch of questions like, Okay, well
1023
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.960
was that an offshoot of something else? Like is Surge
1024
00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:29.920
some sort of reinc There are so many questions, man, yep,
1025
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.400
And you know what I think at this point, I think,
1026
00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:35.079
I think maybe that's just the point. The point is
1027
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:37.719
to have the questions. And Kato sits back in his
1028
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:39.760
chair and says, well, what do you think, and then
1029
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:45.920
says good, good, you're thinking good. But is it canon? Misato? Kato, hmmm,
1030
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:50.519
is it canon? What do you think? Chrono Cross, that's it.
1031
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:51.159
That's what it is.
1032
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:53.960
The Lynx is up here with the frozen flame and
1033
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:58.559
the fake computer. Lynx himself is well human in quotes
1034
00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:02.760
the human incarnation of the computer come to life. When
1035
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:06.719
Wazuki and Miguel found themselves here during that storm. They
1036
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:10.719
sort of did a rough landing here. Super stormy Surge
1037
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:14.280
was injured. He got bitten by that panther demon Surge
1038
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:17.800
came into contact with the Frozen Flame. Just so happened
1039
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:21.119
to during the ten minutes that this research facility was
1040
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:26.239
shut down due to the weather, which surprisingly kind of cool.
1041
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:30.679
There's a reason behind that this cause not only did heal, Surge,
1042
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:34.239
he's totally fine now, it caused the system to recognize
1043
00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:37.519
him as the Arbiter of the Flame. And he's been
1044
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:40.719
called that before by links. I think to get in here,
1045
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:44.000
it recognizes you as the arbiter. Question for you, this
1046
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:47.239
is just purely for me. I can't quite remember the arbiter.
1047
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:51.119
Do they need to get in there with his credentials
1048
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:55.199
as the arbiter to mess with the Fate computer? Like,
1049
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:59.199
is it only the Arbiter and or Luca that can
1050
00:54:59.199 --> 00:54:59.719
mess with that?
1051
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:03.960
I think you're right, I think that original I'm not
1052
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:07.440
sure originally what was supposed to be the key to
1053
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:09.320
get into the Frozen Flame or to get into the
1054
00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:14.159
Fate system, But Serge becomes that. And I think that's
1055
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:16.440
why Linx calls him the Chrono trigger, because he's the
1056
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:18.199
he's the one that's able to like open.
1057
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:20.119
This open open these doors in order.
1058
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:26.559
To control the the Time Fortress. As to why the
1059
00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:30.480
ghost children back when we when we originally confronted Miguel
1060
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:36.559
were angry at Serge for messing everything up, is because
1061
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:39.199
of this moment. Is because he lived instead of died
1062
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:44.800
because of of of the frozen flame which locked everyone
1063
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:50.119
out of the Time Fortress and the then thus giving
1064
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:54.559
well that part. I'm still unclear on like how that
1065
00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:57.639
messed up Chrono's victory, but I'm I'm I think I'll
1066
00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:00.960
get there as we continue to discuss this, because like
1067
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:02.280
every now and then, when you're in the middle of
1068
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:04.920
talking about this, Lord, you're like, wait a minute, how
1069
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.039
does this work? I don't know, but I think we're
1070
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:08.199
getting closer and closer.
1071
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:11.639
Yeah, only a couple more playthroughs, over a couple more years,
1072
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:16.000
we'll get there. Here's what Link says. If you're wondering
1073
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:19.159
whether or not this all sounds too the fuddled based
1074
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.760
on what we're saying, here's what Link says Verbaan. He says,
1075
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:24.239
it only took ten minutes for the system to power
1076
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:26.480
back up, but by then the flame had found you.
1077
00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:29.239
Contact with the flame healed your young body. But that's
1078
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:32.360
not all. Once the security system was rebooted, it would
1079
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:35.679
only grant access to you, the arbiter. You can't imagine
1080
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.880
the trouble this caused the Fate computer in achieving its objective.
1081
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:42.760
Inside of Fate, there is a standalone circuit that had
1082
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:47.079
been kept hidden since the old Mother Brain generation. Quick
1083
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:51.159
editorializing Mother Brain is part of robos side quest. If
1084
00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:52.960
you didn't do that side quest, a lot of this
1085
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:56.719
is going to be meaningless to you. Mother brain was
1086
00:56:56.760 --> 00:57:01.480
responsible for sort of booting the robots into their reality
1087
00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:04.679
in twenty three to twenty four hundred where they're sort
1088
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:09.320
of not dominant, but you know whatever. Anyway, going back
1089
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:11.960
to links, that circuit was designed to start a malfunction,
1090
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.440
or more precisely, a rebellion. Who would have thought that
1091
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:17.920
such a small bug where a trader could exist inside
1092
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:20.920
of Fate. The hidden circuit was based on the initial
1093
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:25.360
ash tier model circuit board Luca ash here with extra
1094
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:29.599
logic added by another scientist. Fate itself did not realize
1095
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:32.039
that this circuit was present within the core of its system,
1096
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:35.639
or more correctly, the circuit was programmed so the moment
1097
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:39.079
Fate did detect it, it would erase all record of
1098
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:43.519
its detection. So and then Fate goes on to surmise
1099
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:48.239
that Luca probably well won, says Luca was an unbelievably
1100
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:52.960
intelligent mad scientist, but also surmises that Belthazar probably had
1101
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:55.000
a hand in this as well, which turns out to
1102
00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:58.760
be true. Then there's a little emotional scene here, again
1103
00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:01.599
falls totally flat. You didn't play Chrono Trigger and you
1104
00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:06.039
didn't do Roboside Quest where Prometheus, the Prometheus circuit, which
1105
00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:10.519
is the quote unquote bug trader inside of Fate, is
1106
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:14.119
sort of awakened here and he pleads with Surge, you know,
1107
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:19.400
to save the world, and Fate kills Prometheus, kills Robo.
1108
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:21.679
It's all inside of the computer, so you don't actually
1109
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:24.519
see anything happening. He basically just gets dragged to the
1110
00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:29.599
recycle bin and perma deleted. But it's it's another reason
1111
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:31.559
that a lot of Chronal Trigger diehards don't like this
1112
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.320
game because they're seeing their characters killed off one by one.
1113
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:40.559
Yeah, and it happens so quickly and without I mean
1114
00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:42.400
there's no build up. It just happens, right, and so
1115
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:44.079
it comes out of nowhere, so you don't even have
1116
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:47.679
a time to really to really process it because you're
1117
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:49.679
at the same time, you're trying to process all the
1118
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:51.480
low reasons why this is going on, and it's very
1119
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:54.239
difficult to do, even even as we sit here with
1120
00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:55.880
notes in front of us, it's very difficult to do.
1121
00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:59.199
Yeah. Yeah, you're too busy, you're looking at something else
1122
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.760
and they're mess about I. Yeah, I don't know. That's
1123
00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:05.840
just a criticism that I just fundamentally don't understand it.
1124
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:08.119
I can, I can get it, like you can be
1125
00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:10.000
bummed that your characters are dying. I just I don't
1126
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:11.199
get how it's a criticism.
1127
00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:14.320
Yeah, And at the same time you can also kind
1128
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.519
of counter that with like, I are they dying? Like
1129
00:59:18.199 --> 00:59:20.639
is this is what we're doing now even going to
1130
00:59:20.679 --> 00:59:22.920
be part of the timeline? And once everything is resolved,
1131
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:24.239
I can't.
1132
00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:26.679
Even tell you that I do not know that's true.
1133
00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:29.039
And the Good Ending sort of does comment on that
1134
00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:33.519
obliquely about the idea of like death and you know, fate,
1135
00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:36.719
and well we get a big explanation on that later.
1136
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:39.000
Were you about to continue with something?
1137
00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:41.119
No, I was just gonna say, is this the moment
1138
00:59:41.239 --> 00:59:44.280
like that, this moment in which which serves became the arbiter?
1139
00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:47.360
Of course, his body became important for unlocking Fate. That's
1140
00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:49.159
why links was that for the whole time. But is
1141
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:54.159
this moment like when the timelines split that I'm that
1142
00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:57.760
I'm unclear on as I go back and think about it,
1143
00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:00.519
that is this that what created the world with in
1144
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:04.159
what created the world without Surge? Because with Surge, with
1145
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:08.360
Surge like locking out the Fate system, Lavos.
1146
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:09.119
Is no longer in control.
1147
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:14.440
And so in order for Lavos to continue to do
1148
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:16.880
whatever it's doing with the timeline, it would have to
1149
01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:22.159
create another timeline in order to continue to exist or
1150
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:26.679
to meddle with time, which therein last the reason that
1151
01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:30.559
the Chrono kids were angry at it Surgs is because
1152
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:35.519
his existence locked locked down Fate. Thus Lavos had to
1153
01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:39.079
create this other timeline in which their victory no longer matters.
1154
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:40.159
I think that's where we're headed.
1155
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:43.639
Waitter, are you asking if that moment was the day
1156
01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:46.239
at sea when Surge got hit with the arbiter thing
1157
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:49.800
or this moment right now when we're in that room.
1158
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:51.719
Yeah, that day at sea.
1159
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:54.239
Yes, Okay, I was going to say, if you meant
1160
01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:56.440
this day in this room, then I guess I'm not
1161
01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:59.400
following this story. Yeah, I think you're right. I'm pretty
1162
01:00:59.440 --> 01:00:59.920
sure that's it.
1163
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:03.480
Okay, okay, So, but we're I think at this point
1164
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:05.360
in time, at least in this conversation. I don't know
1165
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:07.400
about in the game, but in this conversation, I think
1166
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:12.960
we're now clear on when the another World timeline was,
1167
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:17.239
what was created in the reason why it was created,
1168
01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:22.440
we think has to do with like because Lavos, I think, oh.
1169
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:24.800
You know what, I'm glad that you said in another world,
1170
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:27.000
we would be remiss not to bring up the Records
1171
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:30.280
of Fate. So and you know, I apologize. That's a
1172
01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:32.159
lot of this is Oh yeah, by the way, here's
1173
01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:35.320
this lord's headbit. I get it. I know that's going
1174
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:37.320
to rub a lot of people the wrong way. I
1175
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:39.480
don't know. I don't know what to say other than
1176
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:41.679
it's just it's that kind of game. I don't know
1177
01:01:41.719 --> 01:01:44.239
how else we could talk about it without doing forty
1178
01:01:44.239 --> 01:01:48.920
plus episodes, like like some mad scientist, mad lad. But
1179
01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:51.639
the Record of Fate. I never brought this up before.
1180
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:55.320
This game does something sort of similar to well, I'm
1181
01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:57.480
not going to say because it'd be a spoiler, but
1182
01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:00.480
the Records of Fate. If you talk to this girl
1183
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:03.280
at the very beginning of the game, she gives you
1184
01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:05.920
an introduction to it, like it's the save point system
1185
01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:07.719
in this world. You can see it, And turns out
1186
01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:09.719
everybody can see it, and they say that if you
1187
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:12.400
go up real close to it, it whispers to you
1188
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:14.599
and it'll tell you what you're gonna do. And then
1189
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:16.840
she says something to the effect of if you don't
1190
01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:18.639
hear anything, well, then I guess you might as well
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just go home and go to bed, because what's the point. Yeah,
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it's like, yeah, yeah, same good advice. But here in Chronopolis,
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what you learn is that Fate was monitoring both worlds
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to ensure that the timelines don't get meddled with. And
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this is a point where I might have to put
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in an edit because I'm not one hundred percent sure
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on this. This time stuff really puts me in a tizzy.
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But the record of Fate is how it essentially guided
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everybody's lives. It is, here's a better way to think
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about it. It is a literal manifestation of the idea
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of determinism. Yeah, these records of Fate are telling people
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what to do subconsciously. You don't actually realize it, Like
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nobody realizes they're being controlled, but their life is on
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01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:10.039
rails because Fate is telling them to do so. And
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when you explain it simply like that, I guess it
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does come off a little heavy handed. I think they
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do a better job of explaining it and making it
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sound kind of cool. But that is pretty neat to
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have these save point systems serve an in game purpose.
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I always love when games do this. I think it
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is very neat. I think this, I mean, this explains
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a lot of the differences between the two worlds. I'm
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still not one hundred percent sure on why they're so
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different and why that's keeping things in line for Fate
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to keep things on track, I'm not sure. But Fate
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was monitoring everything. It was. I mean, you go into
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one of these rooms here and you see surveillance cameras
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like you can see onto Arnie Village, you can see
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the whole Alnito Peninsula, which is all man made. By
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the way, did we mention that it's man made? This
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is all construct It's not real. I'm not being glib,
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that's true. Fate is overseeing everything.
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You're exactly right, And I think the the why here,
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which is this is hard to parse, but the why.
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Why is Fate controlling everything because it wants the timeline,
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because Fate cannot exist without the creation of Chronopolis. But
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now that Chronopolis is in the past, it has to
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preserve the timeline and so that it will be created
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in the future.
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Oh, thank you you on okay, that thank you. You
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explain that so much better. Oh, my gods and so
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and so.
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That's why the that's why Surge surviving suddenly becomes the
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split point because Surge surviving is what locks out the
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h the Fate system. It can no longer govern the
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ongoings of al Nido and whatever else it is influencing.
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Thus another timeline must be created or in order to
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continue to preserve what is going to come.
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So it's wild, dude.
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I'm going to section this past like twenty minutes and
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just send it to you and you can use that
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if you feel like applying as a writer to Square,
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because I think I think this is a pretty compelling
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point in your court. That was That was a good explanation.
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I think I get it now.
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I think I get it now too, now that I've
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said it out loud. What I still don't get and
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01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:32.320
maybe maybe we'll get there. I keep saying that that
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maybe we'll get there. But what I don't get is,
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01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:38.159
oh no, I get it now. Wait hold on, So
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01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:40.960
the like why did it serves turning?
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01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:41.239
Yeah?
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The cogs of yeah, the cogs of whatever the hell
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is in my head are turning right now because in
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order for Surge to survive, something would have had to
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meddle with a timeline because he was destined to not survive.
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And what that is is kid saving him. My kid
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was involved with saving him that day, and she also
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has the ability to somewhat metal the time.
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But I think we're not there.
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Yet, or maybe we are, but I want to be.
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I want to be in some timeline we are. Let's
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get to that timeline. You fight Fate here, which sounds
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01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:37.239
very sounds about as climact as as can possibly be,
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01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:40.159
but it's not the final battle, not by a long shot.
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01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:44.320
Pretty cool though, Like Fate is a giant humanoid looking
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black sort of ectoplasmic robotish looking thing just from the
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waste up like coming out of the floor. Not a
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difficult fight at all, especially if you've got the mastermine.
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And also this is where I've got and finally used
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the summon Saints which sends a literal holy army of
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angels to a fully heal and revive your party of
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everything and also do hella damage to the enemy. Pretty cool.
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Yeah, I had completely forgotten about this. I know we
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talked about them, but I had completely forgot about the summons.
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And you know, one other thing that's kind of related
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to what we what we were just talking about is
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that when when Fate created El Nido, it also created
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the element systems, and I think there's a reason for that.
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I don't remember what it is, but it is also
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neat that like the not only just the say points,
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but everything that was created like that. That kind of
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gives you your explanation of why Chrono and Friends didn't
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have access to all these cool elements and stuff.
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And that's part of why I like what this game
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and these games are doing. Everything has a reason and
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a place, and everything is thought out. Whether or not
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they had the time or the budget or whatever to
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implement it and talk about it the way they wanted to,
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that's it's a whole separate issue. But the world that
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they thought out, the lord that they created, that is
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all extremely compelling and cool, at least to me. You
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just have to be willing to buy in to some
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Lord dumps in hand wavings, like what's about to happen here?
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For example, you remember Kid, she's been here, She's been
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on the floor unconscious. She wakes up now and she's pissed.
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Karl is pleading with her because Kid's about to raise
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Hell and Praisdale. She does something to the frozen flame.
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I'm still not one hundred percent sure what she does,
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but it alerts the six dragons that fate has fallen,
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and one by one they sort of speak about it.
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They're like, oh, fate has fallen finally, and then it
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01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:44.720
becomes clear that they're not happy and they're going to
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raise some of their own hail Kid. Okay, this is
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full disclosure. When this first happened, I saved immediately after
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01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:55.239
this and I quit and I was actually pretty pissed
1307
01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:59.720
off at the game. But here's what happens. Kid jumps up.
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She does a Lord dum. She says in the year
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twenty four hundred, during a countertime experiment, you talked about this,
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little Chris, the flame goes out of control. This causes
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the dimensions to rip apart. I'm going to read it
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like me not like Kid, resulting in the time crash.
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Engulfed in an enormous dimensional vortex, Chronopolis was hurled ten
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thousand years back in time. Perhaps it was the awakening
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Lavos who pulled the frozen Flame back through time to it,
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maybe so that Lavos, who saw the possibility that some
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01:09:28.119 --> 01:09:30.920
young adventurers might destroy it, could create a backup plan.
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But that ain't all I'll do Kid for that. At
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the same time, another city from a different dimensions future
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was also thrown back in time, Dinopolis, the future city
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of the reptiles, Azala's descendants, Azala name dropped, who had
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evolved more closely with the planet, just as Lavos, in
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an attempt to save itself, some in Chronopolis from the
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01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:58.840
distant future. Perhaps our planet beckoned Dinopolis into the past,
1325
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maybe as an against Chronopolis and humanity. It wasn't the
1326
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dragon gods who sealed up the frozen Flame. It was Fate,
1327
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which used the flame's power to divide and seal the
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dragons in slumber. And now that Fate has been defeated,
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the dragons will join together again and take their revenge.
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And that's exactly what they do. There's this big cut scene.
1331
01:10:20.039 --> 01:10:22.560
It's a really cool cut scene. I mean, the cut
1332
01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:26.479
scenes and the pre rendered in this game just exquisite.
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Chef's kiss, the Green Dragon, the toad looking thing, the
1334
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:34.560
stoned Toad attacks the Black Dragon, and at first I'm thinking, Okay,
1335
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somebody's gone rogue. Something's happening, and they all sort of
1336
01:10:38.760 --> 01:10:43.439
join in attacking one another, but they get absorbed into
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01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:47.560
the Black Dragon and they turn into this giant dragon
1338
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:51.199
slash man Ray esque looking thing, Manta Ray, not man
1339
01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:56.960
Ray from SpongeBob. Evil Harrel also has sort of flown
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01:10:56.960 --> 01:10:59.600
off and disappeared too. I don't remember if we learned
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01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:02.399
this right here right now, but she joins them. We
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01:11:02.439 --> 01:11:04.119
definitely don't want to miss. But you know, I'm just
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01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:08.479
gonna say it. She is the Seventh Dragon, like a
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01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:11.680
sort of illegitimate, sort of offspring of them that is
1345
01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:15.760
not elaborated on. I think even Belthazar says, nobody knows why,
1346
01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:18.840
like I don't know why, but she's part of that.
1347
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:22.439
They are joining together now that fate is done. They're pissed.
1348
01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:24.520
They're going to take revenge against humanity, the scourge of
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01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:27.119
the planet, the progeny of Lavos. This game is playing
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01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:31.279
once again with its duopoly with its uh, two sides
1351
01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:34.880
of two sides of one argument. Now it is dragons
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01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:38.159
against humans, the Earth against humans.
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And Kit even explicitly said that the the reptites or
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01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:45.079
the dragon I don't remember how she referred to them,
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01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:49.159
but they they evolved more closely aligned with the planet.
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01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:51.399
I'm not sure the exact terminologies that she but like
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she's really introducing or not introducing. They're reintroducing the idea
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of like this technology that humans built in twenty four
1359
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hundred AD and the the culmination of the society that
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01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:08.560
was supposed to evolve until Lavos landed here and calls
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humans to evolve. It is now kind of coming to
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01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:14.359
a head, like there was a real ass war between
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these two, these two opolises, let's put that way.
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Yeah, there there is so much I feel like this is.
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01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:26.640
I'm glad that they give you the New Game Plus
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and even in PlayStation I'm pretty sure in the PlayStation
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01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:32.319
version on New Game Plus you get the time shift
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ability to fast forward and slow down.
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Right, I don't recall, but I think I think you
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might be right.
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I think so. I thought I read somewhere somebody's saying
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that it was kind of useless for I don't know
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unless you wanted to, you know, get onto Chris's level
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and beat the dragon feeding minigame. Not that he needed it.
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That was a good natured rib. The silence is deafening.
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The I was going to chime in about being a
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01:12:57.039 --> 01:12:57.840
true gamer, but.
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Oh, believe me, we know.
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I don't know if I can.
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I don't know if I.
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Can call really call myself a true gamer these days.
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I don't know. It takes a true gamer to get
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through Lunar and Mega Man Legends back to back.
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That's true.
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01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:12.600
So at this point, you were directed to go to
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this sort of final area, this Tara Tower, this new
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01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:18.960
thing spawns up. What we learn is that that is
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01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:23.640
that is from the Reptile timeline. This thing spawns out
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of the sea. That's a JERRPG trope that I'm not
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crazy about. The tower that just comes out of nowhere.
1391
01:13:27.760 --> 01:13:31.560
But it's here. That's our next destination. Before there, though,
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there is something you can do that you might not
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have even known about had you not done the I'm
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pretty sure you only learn about this if you don't
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save Kid, if you choose that route, I think. But
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there is an optional little question you can do involving
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a flashback that it's just so, it's just so ballsy
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that they chose to do this as an optional thing,
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given that it's it's maybe my favorite scene in the game,
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and it provides so much necessary context to a lot
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of what's going on there.
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There has been in our discussion very little context for
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the existence in the meddling of kid and what she
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has done and who she is, And I think that's
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01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:22.159
where you're gone with this, right.
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01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:27.000
Yeah, absolutely, the way to get to this kid at
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01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:30.640
this point in the game is like knocked out once again.
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She's totally out. She's resting in Hermit's hideaway. If you
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go there after I read I thought, I read that
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you can do this with either the Master Mooney or
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the Krono Cross. I had both at this point, or
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at least I think I did. Either way, you go
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01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:48.720
back there, and at least what happened in my play through,
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01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:55.479
Massa and Mooney recognize her as the Princess and they
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say that she's trapped like in the past or something,
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and they send you back. You go back to the
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day that Kid's orphanage burned down. That orphanage is Luca's house. Yes,
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I so you you had played Chrono Trigger before this, I imagine, well,
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first did you get to the scene like as a
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kid when you first played this? Yeah, how did that feel?
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It? Again?
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Like, I'm not I was never like sanctimonious about the
1423
01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:29.640
Chrono Trigger timeline. I just wanted there to be crazy lore.
1424
01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:32.359
You know, I was off. I was coming off Zeno
1425
01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:34.319
Gears and uh, there are probably probably a couple of
1426
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:37.159
other RPGs that had big ideas and then mean, I
1427
01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:39.119
just wanted a game that had big ideas that would
1428
01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:42.159
kind of make my brain melt, and this was at
1429
01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:46.560
this this adequately adequately melted my brain, and in a
1430
01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:48.920
good way. I was for it, Like I just I
1431
01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:52.880
love being able to be there. And this is not
1432
01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:55.880
the first time you experience a flashback in uh in
1433
01:15:55.960 --> 01:15:58.520
Luca's house in the entire all, in all the Chrono games,
1434
01:15:58.560 --> 01:16:00.800
because you also had that one where her you can
1435
01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:03.880
rescue her mother from the accident in the original game.
1436
01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:06.960
So I just thought it was it was just apt
1437
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:08.920
to go back here, and I was excited to learn
1438
01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:11.600
or to see what this game was going to do
1439
01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:14.199
to tie everything back together. And it doesn't really tie
1440
01:16:14.199 --> 01:16:14.960
anything back together.
1441
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:15.760
It just gives you more.
1442
01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:18.840
But yeah, yeah, but I think what it gives you
1443
01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:22.439
is it's so terrific, it's so so what happened. You
1444
01:16:22.479 --> 01:16:25.840
go back, you arrive at Luca's house on the PS one.
1445
01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:28.079
It's incredible. I would have went feral had I been
1446
01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:33.199
a Chronojrigger fan. Positive like positively. It's on fire. You
1447
01:16:33.239 --> 01:16:36.159
go around, Gatto, the robot that you met at the
1448
01:16:36.199 --> 01:16:41.960
Millennium Fare is there, dead and dying basically, But you
1449
01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:45.600
go around putting out the fire and fighting all of
1450
01:16:45.600 --> 01:16:48.159
these you know, monsters, saving the children too. There are
1451
01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:52.119
children hiding like in clocks and underbeds and stuff, orphans
1452
01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:55.520
that you're pulling out from the fire. You save them.
1453
01:16:56.079 --> 01:16:57.359
I don't know if you have this written down or not,
1454
01:16:57.439 --> 01:16:59.600
but there's also if you inspect one of her drawers.
1455
01:16:59.600 --> 01:17:01.520
So that's why note in there did you.
1456
01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:02.159
Did you get that?
1457
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:04.239
I found some notes? Which note?
1458
01:17:04.279 --> 01:17:07.760
Is it the one that alludes to the fact that
1459
01:17:07.800 --> 01:17:13.000
she was acquiring parts from Pore possibly from what's her name?
1460
01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:14.520
That the Lucia?
1461
01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:17.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no I missed that completely.
1462
01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:21.720
Yeah, just just a just another another kind of fun
1463
01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:26.279
fact that ties this to the the community of folks
1464
01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:30.159
that were from Pore Norris Slouches from there. I think
1465
01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:32.199
there were a couple of other ones that I felt
1466
01:17:32.239 --> 01:17:34.840
like could have been expanded upon.
1467
01:17:35.479 --> 01:17:37.920
So I know this is like a really like elementary
1468
01:17:37.920 --> 01:17:41.119
way of looking at it with Coore, the colonialism dudes,
1469
01:17:41.159 --> 01:17:43.960
the quote unquote bad guys. So Luca was in trades
1470
01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:48.159
with them, I think, so, m that has implications.
1471
01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:52.119
I feel like, yeah, and I think that I I
1472
01:17:52.119 --> 01:17:54.720
don't think that she was necessarily doing anything nefarious.
1473
01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:57.000
It was just she had to import certain things that
1474
01:17:57.039 --> 01:17:57.479
she needed.
1475
01:17:58.039 --> 01:17:59.680
And perhaps I'm wrong, and you don't get that that
1476
01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:01.319
content text here, but it is somewhere in the.
1477
01:18:01.239 --> 01:18:05.920
Game another playthrough. Fine with me, I'll understand it twenty
1478
01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:08.960
percent more. At the end of this you save kid.
1479
01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:12.039
This is I can't remember where we learn this, might
1480
01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:14.439
as well just say it now. The reason Links and
1481
01:18:14.479 --> 01:18:16.439
Horrl are back here. They set fire to this place.
1482
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:21.039
It's functionally it's to abduct Luca, to break into the
1483
01:18:21.079 --> 01:18:24.279
Fate system to destroy Prometheus. This is why I was
1484
01:18:24.279 --> 01:18:26.800
a little confused about the Arbiter, also because at some
1485
01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:32.039
point Shala becomes the Arbiter. But at any rate, they
1486
01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:35.199
try to abduct Luca here. It's not shown. You kind
1487
01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:37.399
of learn that a little bit later, but that's why
1488
01:18:37.399 --> 01:18:39.079
they're here. There's a cut scene of them sort of
1489
01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:43.119
looking over their shoulder as you save kid and I
1490
01:18:43.159 --> 01:18:45.920
don't know man like this. It's a very simple setting
1491
01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:48.720
to this scene, but something about the way that it's
1492
01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:52.159
shot and rendered is just like it's some of the
1493
01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:55.760
PlayStation at its best. You pull her out and you're in.
1494
01:18:56.079 --> 01:18:59.239
You know, you're outside. It's nighttime. There are two sources
1495
01:18:59.239 --> 01:19:04.279
of light here, the stars that are pinpointing the sky needlework,
1496
01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:07.359
but the true source of light, the only other source
1497
01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:11.760
of light is the orphanage. It is engulfed in flames,
1498
01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:16.399
rich with black smoke polluting the air. It's not going
1499
01:19:16.479 --> 01:19:19.399
to go well anything, and anyone in there is dead.
1500
01:19:20.279 --> 01:19:22.159
And you pull kid out and she laments about it,
1501
01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:24.279
you know, she as well as a kid. Can you
1502
01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:27.119
know why is this happening? This? You know everybody? This
1503
01:19:27.199 --> 01:19:28.039
is my home?
1504
01:19:28.119 --> 01:19:28.319
Why?
1505
01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:32.720
Why? Why? And she asks Surge you know who she
1506
01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:36.199
doesn't know at this point, by the way, she's a child, kid, kid,
1507
01:19:36.279 --> 01:19:38.880
and you know she's like, you're you're not gonna leave
1508
01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:43.279
me right, which in and of itself just a heartbreaking thing.
1509
01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:47.119
An orphan seeing their home burned down. Her sister just
1510
01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:49.479
got abducted, which we don't know, but I mean, now
1511
01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:53.399
we know, being saved by this stranger and just like
1512
01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:56.319
you're not gonna leave me, are you? And you of
1513
01:19:56.319 --> 01:19:58.680
course Surge is gonna say, you know, no, I'm not
1514
01:19:58.720 --> 01:20:02.119
going to leave you, and you hug her. She notices
1515
01:20:02.159 --> 01:20:06.000
you're crying. But at that point, Massa and Muney sort
1516
01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:09.560
of lose some of their grip on their power, and
1517
01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:15.680
Surge fades away, leaving kid alone once again. So not
1518
01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:20.279
only orphaned, brought into a new family, big sister, Luca, abducted,
1519
01:20:20.399 --> 01:20:23.239
orphanage burning down, saved, only to be left alone once
1520
01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:26.920
more nothing in the world. And that's sort of that
1521
01:20:27.079 --> 01:20:30.239
that ends the scene. The camera pulls up the whole time.
1522
01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:35.079
By the way, one of my favorite compositions on this album.
1523
01:20:35.720 --> 01:20:37.640
I think it's titled The Girl Who Stole the Stars.
1524
01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:40.000
It is yeah.
1525
01:20:40.039 --> 01:20:43.039
I always just remember the scene as the scene with
1526
01:20:43.399 --> 01:20:44.880
the Girl who Stole the Stars.
1527
01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:47.720
It's yeah, I now that you mentioned it, and I
1528
01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:51.680
can't remember if or where else it plays. I don't know.
1529
01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:54.159
This is I mean, I mean, it answers a lot
1530
01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:56.239
of questions I mean when it puts things into context.
1531
01:20:56.239 --> 01:20:58.960
You can also see little drawings that Kid made in
1532
01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:03.640
crayon of like and isla frog that's really cute. You
1533
01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:07.439
also see them burn up in the CG cutscene. Not
1534
01:21:07.479 --> 01:21:10.760
so cute, but it answers a lot of questions about
1535
01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:15.119
why Kid is the way she is, this boisterous, obnoxious, peacocking,
1536
01:21:15.239 --> 01:21:21.840
bravado filled smart ass. It's I mean, she's hiding this
1537
01:21:22.319 --> 01:21:29.840
deep seated loneliness and abandonment that is so part of
1538
01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:32.039
her that she'll never get rid of it. And the
1539
01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:34.279
only way she can cope with it, I think this
1540
01:21:34.359 --> 01:21:40.199
is total armchair psychology, is to work in opposition against it.
1541
01:21:40.199 --> 01:22:03.840
It's so sad, it really is. It's one of the few.
1542
01:22:03.640 --> 01:22:08.960
Times in the late game of Corona Cross where the
1543
01:22:09.039 --> 01:22:14.920
game allows something to linger without dumping any lore, because
1544
01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:17.560
it feels like everything every scene, every major scene at
1545
01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:19.840
the end of this game, culminates with some sort of
1546
01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:21.840
of lord dump or reference to Corona trigger. And I
1547
01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:23.760
know that we're in Luca's house, so I mean, I
1548
01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:25.640
guess you could consider that a lord dump, but it's
1549
01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:26.760
a very quiet lord dump.
1550
01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:32.319
Yeah. Yeah, This scene for me became doubly sad too.
1551
01:22:32.359 --> 01:22:35.520
Once you sort of beat the game and learn what
1552
01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:36.359
kids deal is.
1553
01:22:37.359 --> 01:22:40.079
I think that the I don't know regrets.
1554
01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:45.600
One thing that I criticize this game for is not
1555
01:22:45.680 --> 01:22:49.840
introducing the idea of who kid is, where she came from,
1556
01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:54.640
and what she's here to do until way too late.
1557
01:22:55.119 --> 01:22:57.600
Like I know that maybe right now is not the
1558
01:22:57.680 --> 01:22:59.920
right time to do it, because we have to, let think,
1559
01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:01.680
we have to let this scene breathe a little bit.
1560
01:23:02.119 --> 01:23:05.399
But I don't think that we even get close to
1561
01:23:05.439 --> 01:23:07.680
that until we talked to the ghost kids on the
1562
01:23:07.680 --> 01:23:08.760
beach at the end of the game.
1563
01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:12.560
No, not at all. And in the hands of another team,
1564
01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:14.239
she would have been the main character, you know, in
1565
01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:16.880
the same way that that Yuna is the main character
1566
01:23:16.920 --> 01:23:20.000
in f F ten or Serie in Witcher three. Like
1567
01:23:20.119 --> 01:23:23.319
in another team, she would have been the sort of
1568
01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:26.079
not player character, but the protagonist. She's very important.
1569
01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:30.600
This could have been kids game, And I understand that
1570
01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:34.960
at this stage in the game, well at this at this,
1571
01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:37.439
at this moment in time, I should say that you've
1572
01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:40.319
got to have a teenage boy be the protagonist. Just
1573
01:23:40.520 --> 01:23:43.000
that's how games were made, that's how they were marketed. Yeah,
1574
01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:46.920
but I do think that that Nanami.
1575
01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:48.399
Could have Nami Kid.
1576
01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:51.680
I'm thinking about Nanami from Silicotin two right now, because
1577
01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:57.680
she was a a a reflection of the silent protagonist
1578
01:23:57.800 --> 01:24:00.840
because you didn't and so to your main didn't talk,
1579
01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:05.560
and so you could see his feelings reflected off of
1580
01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:08.079
his sister, and that would kind of give you a
1581
01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:10.319
sense about who he was and what he was feeling
1582
01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:12.960
at the time. And although Sergeant Kid don't know each other,
1583
01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:17.600
she could have been that a little bit more. But
1584
01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:19.840
she's just not present enough, or she doesn't she's not
1585
01:24:19.920 --> 01:24:22.399
required to be present enough in this game to be
1586
01:24:22.439 --> 01:24:27.439
able to fill that role, fill that role, but and
1587
01:24:27.640 --> 01:24:30.880
unfortunately she just becomes not not to say that she
1588
01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:33.880
doesn't have a personality, but she also becomes a lower
1589
01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:36.479
piece or she's also the chrono trigger.
1590
01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:42.600
I guess, yeah, yeah, I don't want to wish that
1591
01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:44.119
this would have been in the hands of a different
1592
01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:47.239
writing team, because yeah, we might have got a better
1593
01:24:47.239 --> 01:24:49.800
handling of Kid quote unquote better handling of Kid. But
1594
01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:52.359
at the same time, I don't know, it feels like
1595
01:24:52.439 --> 01:24:58.439
so much of these fumbles and imperfections and blemishes, there's
1596
01:24:58.439 --> 01:25:01.520
something about him that just works together in this holistic
1597
01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:08.560
way that is misshapen and lumpy, uh, but still endearing
1598
01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:12.119
and beautiful. And I don't know if like a better
1599
01:25:12.159 --> 01:25:14.560
team could have you know, received better marks by the
1600
01:25:14.720 --> 01:25:17.880
by the gamer journalists or well, no, I don't want
1601
01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:19.600
to make fun of the gamer journalists. There's you know,
1602
01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:23.079
they're they're doing good work by the internet. There you go,
1603
01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:28.079
the Internet gamer forum journalists. Yeah, be rating on game facts.
1604
01:25:28.359 --> 01:25:30.279
You know, they they might have got better marks by them.
1605
01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:33.199
But I don't know. I don't know. We would kill
1606
01:25:33.279 --> 01:25:36.079
we would be killing Chronocross in that way, we'd be
1607
01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:37.159
killing God.
1608
01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:40.119
Indeed, now do we need to talk about I don't
1609
01:25:40.119 --> 01:25:42.279
know if now it's the appropriate time to talk about
1610
01:25:42.600 --> 01:25:45.119
I guess all the kid lore because I have a
1611
01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:48.199
note to myself here that says, don't forget to talk
1612
01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:49.279
about Project Kid.
1613
01:25:50.039 --> 01:25:50.239
Uh.
1614
01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:52.920
If it's just Project kid that I mean that gets
1615
01:25:53.399 --> 01:25:56.319
name checked here pretty soon? I think it does. Okay,
1616
01:25:56.520 --> 01:25:58.840
mm hmm, yeah, it's explicitly name checked.
1617
01:25:58.840 --> 01:25:58.880
It.
1618
01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:02.880
Oh, it gets name checked by Luca on the at
1619
01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:03.479
the very end.
1620
01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:05.520
Gotcha.
1621
01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:09.840
So again, I cannot believe that I really wish that
1622
01:26:09.840 --> 01:26:11.600
would have been in the game. I don't know. I
1623
01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:16.199
respect it I respect how gutsy it is to do that,
1624
01:26:16.399 --> 01:26:20.039
but I guess I don't know. I feel sad if
1625
01:26:20.039 --> 01:26:25.199
people don't do that. Anyway, if you've forgotten that this
1626
01:26:25.319 --> 01:26:27.840
is Chrono Cross and that they were a team of
1627
01:26:27.880 --> 01:26:30.880
goofy weirdos, you're gonna be reminded here because we got
1628
01:26:30.920 --> 01:26:32.720
to get to Tara Tower. We have to fly. It's
1629
01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:38.039
high up. You use Starkey's spaceship. I just wish this.
1630
01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:40.439
I wish they would have left the goofiness like I
1631
01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:42.520
loved it when it was happening. But I don't know,
1632
01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:44.880
it just doesn't. It's not the time I.
1633
01:26:45.199 --> 01:26:45.840
Agree with you.
1634
01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:49.399
I had actually forgotten that fact, but it is because
1635
01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:53.840
I got to this point thinking Starky is an optional character.
1636
01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:54.600
But I guess he's not.
1637
01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:58.720
No, No, I guess not. I tried to go here
1638
01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:01.560
with I forget who I was using. It was in
1639
01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:04.920
my PS one playthrough. I stopped using Starkey and I
1640
01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:07.359
tried to go there without him, and somebody was like, yeah,
1641
01:27:07.359 --> 01:27:10.399
we got to bring Starky, and I just couldn't progress otherwise.
1642
01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:13.600
So yeah, I guess. I guess that little little weirdo
1643
01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:15.159
is is not optional.
1644
01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:16.439
He's a good man.
1645
01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:17.039
He's cool.
1646
01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:17.920
Yeah.
1647
01:27:18.039 --> 01:27:19.399
Yeah, you say he's a good man.
1648
01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:22.319
Yeah, man might not be the right word.
1649
01:27:23.800 --> 01:27:27.039
He's a feller. He's a good little feller, little dude.
1650
01:27:28.279 --> 01:27:31.920
You should get him for the Harle scene alone. That's gold. Yep,
1651
01:27:32.479 --> 01:27:35.600
but yeah, you I swear to God not making this up.
1652
01:27:35.640 --> 01:27:38.600
You attach some like Starky makes a big deal out
1653
01:27:38.600 --> 01:27:41.000
of it. Kid was in my party and she was like, oh, yeah,
1654
01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:43.640
so you just attach it and he's like, no, no,
1655
01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:46.439
this is actual where you know he's making it out
1656
01:27:46.439 --> 01:27:48.680
to be a big deal. You attach some sort of
1657
01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:54.119
anti gravitational thing onto like a raft from his spaceship
1658
01:27:54.119 --> 01:27:56.920
because his spaceship only can carry one person, just Starky,
1659
01:27:57.199 --> 01:27:59.760
you know, of course. And so you attach it to
1660
01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:04.520
this raft thing as boat at the at what do
1661
01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:08.880
you call it? Chronopolis? And you fly to fly to
1662
01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:09.680
Tarat Tower.
1663
01:28:10.279 --> 01:28:12.920
Why wouldn't you there's no more dragons to fly on. Yeah,
1664
01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:13.960
the best option we've got.
1665
01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:17.159
Sure, Yep, you're right man.
1666
01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:21.399
It's sunned it out, Yeah, fuck it, send it in.
1667
01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:27.279
We're doing it live this whole section. Don't get me wrong.
1668
01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:31.119
Like I think it's a cool dungeon, but it's you're
1669
01:28:31.159 --> 01:28:35.399
functionally going through and fighting one representation of an element
1670
01:28:36.439 --> 01:28:39.279
at a time, like in these different sections to get
1671
01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:42.760
to where you're going. So like, I don't know, like
1672
01:28:42.800 --> 01:28:44.039
I don't have a ton to say about it. I
1673
01:28:44.079 --> 01:28:47.239
got Janis's ultimate weapon here, not that I used her
1674
01:28:47.239 --> 01:28:49.079
in the PS one playthrough because I didn't have that
1675
01:28:49.159 --> 01:28:51.880
kind of time, but you can get that here. It's
1676
01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:55.319
a carrot beta caroteene yep.
1677
01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:58.159
I think the only other thing of note here is that,
1678
01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:05.000
as you mentioned, it's full of it's themed around the elements,
1679
01:29:05.319 --> 01:29:08.760
and there is a certain part of this dungeon that
1680
01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:11.159
where I think you're walking across the bridge or you're
1681
01:29:11.199 --> 01:29:15.439
outside or whatever, and you see all of the different
1682
01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:19.239
colored elements in a specific order and then put a
1683
01:29:19.239 --> 01:29:19.720
pin on that.
1684
01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:24.600
Yeah, you do. They are really trusting you.
1685
01:29:26.079 --> 01:29:26.159
Me.
1686
01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:29.000
They were really trusting me. You know What's funny though,
1687
01:29:29.159 --> 01:29:31.560
what I was looking for with that each of these elements,
1688
01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:35.479
and I'm pretty sure I don't know if this happens
1689
01:29:35.560 --> 01:29:37.720
at a certain point in the game or only after
1690
01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:41.479
you get the Chrono cross the item, but either way,
1691
01:29:42.279 --> 01:29:45.680
elements start making a chime like a tone, and each
1692
01:29:45.680 --> 01:29:47.680
has a different tone, And do you know what I
1693
01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:52.000
was thinking Chris. I was thinking, Okay, I need to somehow,
1694
01:29:52.039 --> 01:29:54.239
somehow if I do something with these elements and play
1695
01:29:54.239 --> 01:29:58.199
them from like lowest to highest, then something will happen.
1696
01:29:58.399 --> 01:30:01.520
I wasn't even considering what they were wanting me to do.
1697
01:30:02.439 --> 01:30:07.880
Yeah, it's not signposted at all. In fact, like I
1698
01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:10.880
do remember when those elements, the element chimes start to
1699
01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:15.000
first occur, it's after you you acquire the Chronocross. But
1700
01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:19.079
it's never it's never obvious as to how those are
1701
01:30:19.079 --> 01:30:22.199
linked to the Chronocross and what you're supposed to do
1702
01:30:22.279 --> 01:30:22.600
with it.
1703
01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:28.520
And it's unfortunate, Yeah, especially given the standard the quote
1704
01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:31.560
unquote standard quote unquote bad ending that you get if
1705
01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:35.479
you just fight the last boss, even though I guess
1706
01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:39.079
to their credit they do kind of tell you a
1707
01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:42.840
couple of times that fighting or healing, I think is
1708
01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:45.920
how they refer to the Chronocross is like the way.
1709
01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:48.039
So I guess I kind of get it, but that
1710
01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:53.800
ending thematically works narratively works. Had I gotten it, i'd
1711
01:30:53.840 --> 01:30:57.880
been kind of pissed. Yeah, so you're going through this tower.
1712
01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:00.760
At some point you somehow end up on that bridge
1713
01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:04.520
at viper Manor with my favorite pre rentered background of
1714
01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:07.960
the game, the backdrop with the two moons, like, oh yeah, right,
1715
01:31:07.960 --> 01:31:09.880
big there, Oh my god, I love it so much.
1716
01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:13.920
You end up there somehow. And actually, now that i'm
1717
01:31:13.920 --> 01:31:15.840
thinking of it, you had said that it's themed around
1718
01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:19.720
the elements. Those are themed after the dragons. Arl is
1719
01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:24.159
the seventh Dragon and is referred to by Belthazar, who
1720
01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:26.920
we're about to talk to as the blood Moon Dragon.
1721
01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:31.239
So maybe that's maybe that's why.
1722
01:31:29.960 --> 01:31:31.600
I forgot that we're going to talk to Belthazar here.
1723
01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:35.479
That's another entry point for more lore than I suppose.
1724
01:31:36.119 --> 01:31:39.279
Oh yeah, oh yeah, a text block of lore. I
1725
01:31:39.279 --> 01:31:41.399
think I even shaved this down a little bit too.
1726
01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:44.800
You go back into the library room, you know, where
1727
01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:47.520
you've basically the only place you've talked to Belthazar so
1728
01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:50.560
far in this game. He calls you there. That's that's
1729
01:31:50.600 --> 01:31:53.640
his man cave. He starts explaining to you. This is
1730
01:31:53.680 --> 01:31:56.319
where he introduces himself to He says, in the ancient
1731
01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:59.199
magical Kingdom of zeal I was known as the stage
1732
01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:01.880
of Reason. Well that was up until the Queen of
1733
01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:04.359
zeal attempted to harness the power of Okay, I don't
1734
01:32:04.399 --> 01:32:06.800
know why I'm doing that to harness the power of Lavos.
1735
01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:10.760
Let's just say things got out of control. Now I'm done,
1736
01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:13.479
and Lavos created a dimensional vortex that threw me far
1737
01:32:13.479 --> 01:32:16.880
into the future. There I seize the opportunity to study
1738
01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:19.960
the science of the future. Was then able to apply
1739
01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:23.239
to that the knowledge I brought from my own era,
1740
01:32:23.479 --> 01:32:27.720
including magic which was long lost in the future. Anyway,
1741
01:32:28.159 --> 01:32:30.439
this led me to make huge progress in the research
1742
01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:33.359
of time. Well, that research led to the creation of
1743
01:32:33.399 --> 01:32:36.680
Chronopolis and to the time Crash. You might think I
1744
01:32:36.720 --> 01:32:39.319
really blew it, but perhaps it was my finest hour.
1745
01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:44.399
Ho Ho Ho I screen capped that. By the way, gotta.
1746
01:32:44.159 --> 01:32:45.960
Love the good ho Ho Ho guy.
1747
01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:48.399
He is a ho Ho Ho guy. There has to
1748
01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:50.279
be one in every game, every Jo and.
1749
01:32:50.279 --> 01:32:53.199
Corona Cross has too, because Radius is also one. Is
1750
01:32:53.239 --> 01:32:55.560
he yeah, he says he Ho Ho at least once.
1751
01:32:56.399 --> 01:32:58.560
Oh my god, we've got Ho Ho Hose and Acha
1752
01:32:58.640 --> 01:33:02.000
Chaz and Boija Haas. This game's lousy with him.
1753
01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:03.479
That's why it's such a good game.
1754
01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:07.840
You might be wondering if he's done Lord dumping. He's not. Anyway.
1755
01:33:08.239 --> 01:33:10.840
I created a compact time machine that I dubbed the
1756
01:33:10.840 --> 01:33:14.680
Neo Epoch Chrono Trigger reference. I used it to time
1757
01:33:14.760 --> 01:33:18.119
warp to this age to learn of Chronopolis and Fate's
1758
01:33:18.119 --> 01:33:20.760
plans and see how and to see how things were
1759
01:33:20.800 --> 01:33:23.880
turning out. Tara Tower is really a city of the
1760
01:33:23.920 --> 01:33:29.000
reptites from another dimensions future. Originally Dinopolis, the castle of
1761
01:33:29.039 --> 01:33:33.119
Azala's descendants, who achieved an evolution much more intimate with
1762
01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:37.279
our planet. Dinopolis was drawn into this dimensions past about
1763
01:33:37.279 --> 01:33:40.640
ten thousand years ago. This was done so that it
1764
01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:44.880
would serve as a counterbalance against Chronopolis, which Lavo's pulled here.
1765
01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:49.279
So he goes on, and I summarized a little bit
1766
01:33:49.399 --> 01:33:51.840
going on. He goes on to say that the Reptit's lost,
1767
01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:54.640
which you had mentioned to Chris, they were sealed away
1768
01:33:54.640 --> 01:33:59.680
by Fate. The reptites were Then he talks about the dragons. Originally,
1769
01:33:59.800 --> 01:34:01.960
the whole archipelago of Alnito was known as the Sea
1770
01:34:02.000 --> 01:34:04.159
of Eden. This was because it was where the dragon
1771
01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:07.119
gods resided. But then Fate sealed away the dragon God's
1772
01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:10.560
powers just like kids said, in effect becoming a god itself.
1773
01:34:11.079 --> 01:34:13.800
Thus the islands where the new god had Fate existed
1774
01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:16.760
came to be called the Sea of Eden instead. Perhaps
1775
01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:19.039
you didn't realize it, but you were used by the
1776
01:34:19.119 --> 01:34:22.199
dragon gods to eliminate Fate. It was not true that
1777
01:34:22.239 --> 01:34:24.840
the dragon gods sealed away the frozen flame. Rather, it's
1778
01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:27.680
quite the opposite. It was Fate that used the power
1779
01:34:27.720 --> 01:34:31.760
of the flame to seal up the dragon gods. In reality,
1780
01:34:32.159 --> 01:34:35.119
the dragon gods are in opposition to man, while Fate
1781
01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:42.079
itself was actually the protector of humanity. I so again,
1782
01:34:42.319 --> 01:34:45.920
I love the game. I do, but it really does
1783
01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:48.760
feel like they had pre planned destinations and they said
1784
01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:51.880
we're getting to them no matter what. And so they said,
1785
01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:54.800
Pelthazar get us there, get us there. In a lord dump,
1786
01:34:55.359 --> 01:34:56.560
he certainly gets us there.
1787
01:34:56.760 --> 01:34:58.399
Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot.
1788
01:34:58.479 --> 01:35:02.720
There's a lot of telling in this back half of
1789
01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:04.800
the game, and it would have been really cool if
1790
01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:08.399
they could have shown us more. But as we know
1791
01:35:08.840 --> 01:35:12.079
from RPGs of this era, like sometimes they got to
1792
01:35:12.119 --> 01:35:14.920
ship them and they get to the point to where
1793
01:35:15.359 --> 01:35:18.000
they can't get all their ideas in. Thus they will
1794
01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:18.560
cram them in.
1795
01:35:19.239 --> 01:35:22.239
That's true. And there's something else too to keep in mind.
1796
01:35:22.399 --> 01:35:24.399
I say this all the time, but you know when
1797
01:35:24.439 --> 01:35:26.560
you hear somebody like me saying that, oh yeah, I
1798
01:35:26.560 --> 01:35:30.439
love this game. The implicit bias in there is that
1799
01:35:30.520 --> 01:35:32.840
if you know who I am and you know my tastes,
1800
01:35:33.239 --> 01:35:35.039
you know that I'm okay with this kind of stuff,
1801
01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:37.800
like more than the average person might be, the sort
1802
01:35:37.840 --> 01:35:40.840
of Lord dumpson, explaining like I can wave that away
1803
01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:45.279
easier than some folks. So like, yeah, you know, I
1804
01:35:45.319 --> 01:35:48.640
love this game, but you shouldn't take that as as gospel,
1805
01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:54.800
you know, filter everything, especially what I say. I'm wondering though, Chris,
1806
01:35:54.840 --> 01:35:56.479
if you can help clear this up from me, man,
1807
01:35:56.520 --> 01:35:59.439
because fate did not seem like it was on our
1808
01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:03.239
side at any point throughout here. Was that Was that
1809
01:36:03.359 --> 01:36:07.039
just the corruption from the frozen flame slash lavos like
1810
01:36:07.119 --> 01:36:09.119
messing with it because we see that it messes with
1811
01:36:09.239 --> 01:36:13.920
arguably the purest person that we're going to meet or
1812
01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:16.840
have already met, possibly depending on how you look at it.
1813
01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:21.119
So I mean, I feel like it could be possible,
1814
01:36:21.159 --> 01:36:24.600
Like is that why Fate is so antagonistic towards us?
1815
01:36:25.079 --> 01:36:28.279
I don't think Fate is is on one side or another.
1816
01:36:28.319 --> 01:36:30.920
I think Fate was just in the business of self preservation,
1817
01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:36.279
for the preservation of the timeline, and we happened to
1818
01:36:36.359 --> 01:36:40.560
run into each other. And so yeah, don't. I don't
1819
01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:44.800
think that, or at least it doesn't feel like this
1820
01:36:44.960 --> 01:36:47.159
grand plan of the Dragons to Tricka, Sineqill and Fate
1821
01:36:47.239 --> 01:36:49.560
was actually a real plan. I think we just happened
1822
01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:52.119
to run into Fate and fight Fate. You know, it doesn't.
1823
01:36:52.159 --> 01:36:54.039
It doesn't line up to me.
1824
01:36:54.119 --> 01:36:58.000
At least that's a better explanation. It's more sensible too,
1825
01:36:58.159 --> 01:37:01.239
just like it's just happens since that you're there. It's
1826
01:37:01.279 --> 01:37:03.840
not some you know, good versus evil thing. It's just
1827
01:37:04.039 --> 01:37:06.359
you happen to be in the way of Fate. What
1828
01:37:06.399 --> 01:37:06.880
are you doing?
1829
01:37:07.439 --> 01:37:10.840
Yeah, And Fate's goal was to be fair, was literally
1830
01:37:10.880 --> 01:37:14.479
be it be some version of Fate or Predestiny, so
1831
01:37:14.520 --> 01:37:17.840
that it could preserve everything. And when and when the
1832
01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:20.640
Dragon Gods came into conflict with that because of the
1833
01:37:21.439 --> 01:37:25.720
I guess the dragon Gods exist because the Dinopolis was
1834
01:37:25.920 --> 01:37:28.319
pulled in from the other dimensions, so that got in
1835
01:37:28.399 --> 01:37:30.000
Fate's way, so Fate filt them up.
1836
01:37:30.279 --> 01:37:33.279
I think that's maybe the cleanest thing in this game.
1837
01:37:34.439 --> 01:37:37.439
He also explains a bit about the six Dragon Gods
1838
01:37:37.479 --> 01:37:41.239
originally being one being, and that that one being that
1839
01:37:41.279 --> 01:37:44.000
we're seeing outside now is really just a sort of
1840
01:37:44.079 --> 01:37:48.399
avatar for the dragon god because the real dragon god
1841
01:37:48.479 --> 01:37:52.359
was consumed a long time ago. This is something that
1842
01:37:52.359 --> 01:37:55.680
you would mentioned. You would also mention too. And I'm
1843
01:37:55.920 --> 01:38:00.000
not really playing fair tennis here because I somewhat recently
1844
01:38:00.279 --> 01:38:03.199
listen to you. You and Eric talked about this from
1845
01:38:03.680 --> 01:38:06.840
what would it have been twenty twenty two, twenty twenty four,
1846
01:38:07.800 --> 01:38:10.640
twenty twenty Oh my god, even earlier.
1847
01:38:10.920 --> 01:38:12.520
Yeah, you had.
1848
01:38:12.439 --> 01:38:16.000
Said something along the lines of like something major retcond
1849
01:38:16.640 --> 01:38:19.600
in the area of like reptites. I know I'm kind
1850
01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:21.439
of putting you on the spot here, but do you
1851
01:38:22.079 --> 01:38:23.720
do you have any idea what I may or may
1852
01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:24.760
not be referring to.
1853
01:38:25.439 --> 01:38:27.319
Do I have any idea what I was talking about
1854
01:38:27.479 --> 01:38:28.119
six years ago?
1855
01:38:28.680 --> 01:38:29.279
No, I don't.
1856
01:38:29.319 --> 01:38:31.920
Actually, Okay, she.
1857
01:38:34.279 --> 01:38:39.520
Got joy asked no. So when I say something retcond.
1858
01:38:39.680 --> 01:38:41.399
I don't know. I might be misremembering. I thought I
1859
01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:44.800
remember you. You had mentioned you made a big section
1860
01:38:45.039 --> 01:38:48.560
about the reptitle lore, understandably so because they don't give
1861
01:38:48.560 --> 01:38:51.319
you much in here, and about how it retcond something
1862
01:38:51.319 --> 01:38:53.760
from Chrono trigger that seemed to be a big deal.
1863
01:38:54.399 --> 01:38:55.359
Yeah, you got me on that one.
1864
01:38:55.399 --> 01:38:56.039
I don't remember.
1865
01:38:56.640 --> 01:38:58.960
Yeah, me neither. So maybe I'm wrong.
1866
01:38:59.840 --> 01:39:00.439
I don't know.
1867
01:39:00.800 --> 01:39:02.399
What were you going to say?
1868
01:39:02.399 --> 01:39:04.159
As if it comes, I'll shout, But.
1869
01:39:04.279 --> 01:39:04.680
I don't know.
1870
01:39:05.279 --> 01:39:26.239
Please do test those plosives. Yes, the chrono trigger children,
1871
01:39:26.319 --> 01:39:30.039
they're also here. If you have the chronocross on you,
1872
01:39:30.039 --> 01:39:33.960
you have that thing, they will comment on it, which
1873
01:39:34.039 --> 01:39:36.720
kind of gives you a hint towards the strategy for
1874
01:39:36.760 --> 01:39:40.359
this upcoming battle. I think it's chronotechnically, that says the
1875
01:39:40.359 --> 01:39:43.199
melody and harmony. It has the power to cross space
1876
01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:46.520
and time and unify people's thoughts and feeling. It has
1877
01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:49.800
the power to transfer memories by using it as an element.
1878
01:39:50.359 --> 01:39:52.319
It has the power to draw on the sounds of
1879
01:39:52.359 --> 01:39:56.279
the six colored elements to produce a healing harmony. It
1880
01:39:56.279 --> 01:39:58.520
has the power to combine the sounds of the world
1881
01:39:58.800 --> 01:40:03.800
into one melody. That's your hint to equip it. Yeah,
1882
01:40:04.199 --> 01:40:06.920
and what they don't tell you, which I picked up
1883
01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:10.000
from the internet. You've been there before. I picked up
1884
01:40:10.039 --> 01:40:14.279
a tip from there, Oh yeah, a hot tip and
1885
01:40:14.319 --> 01:40:16.720
it said, you know, you can just place the chrono
1886
01:40:16.760 --> 01:40:19.239
cross in any part of the element. So I put
1887
01:40:19.279 --> 01:40:21.359
it on the grid that is, so I put it
1888
01:40:21.399 --> 01:40:24.359
in slot one. It said minus seven, but it still
1889
01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:27.359
did the exact same thing, which actually got me to thinking,
1890
01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:30.279
could I have been using things like Purify that heal
1891
01:40:30.359 --> 01:40:34.159
every single status effect in slot one even though it
1892
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said like purify minus five, like, would that still have worked?
1893
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That's a great question. I may be wrong about this,
1894
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but don't some of them limit you to not being
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able to use the underpowered version.
1896
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Some of them did, like like the healing ones like
1897
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no strom and capsule you can't move those, and the
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innate ones that are like read only you can't move those.
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01:40:53.840 --> 01:40:58.119
But Purify I did it, like I moved it down
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to slot one. I just never got a chance to
1901
01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:02.560
use it. So now I'm wondering if, like, is it
1902
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just gonna miss more if it is in a lower slot.
1903
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Maybe? Maybe so.
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01:41:08.720 --> 01:41:10.640
At any rate, you can put the chrono cross in
1905
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element grid number one, which is really what you should
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do if you want to not have a bad time
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with this ending boss. Yeah, but it also gives you
1908
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the hint about the chimes and the six colored elements. Right,
1909
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It's not a great hint, but that's what you got.
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And so now are we facing the Dragon God.
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Or are we not there yet?
1912
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I think so? I think so. It's like a two
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tiered little fight. You get to the top of the tower,
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the flame is there, the frozen flame. This is really cool.
1915
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I love this. I love how they characterize the flame
1916
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here because it looks like an organic living thing. It
1917
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sort of opens up, it blooms into the beautiful flame
1918
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that you've seen in like flashbacks before, but there are
1919
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like it's got this eye in the center, or eyes
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or what looked like them. Anyway, it looks alive and
1921
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it is creepy. It's oh man, I wish they I
1922
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almost wish they did more scenes like this because the
1923
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ones that they do, like the transformation scenes, this, they
1924
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just do them so well.
1925
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Do we know explicitly why the frozen flame is here
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on Tara Tower. Is it just because this is from
1927
01:42:19.520 --> 01:42:24.439
the timeline in which the Dragonians or Dragonians or reptits
1928
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or whatever one so that they have possession of the
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01:42:26.880 --> 01:42:29.840
frozen flame or is or is it just here for
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thematic reasons? I never quite could figure that out.
1931
01:42:33.479 --> 01:42:36.840
Uh remember earlier when I said I'm okay with more
1932
01:42:36.840 --> 01:42:39.000
than the average person handwaving stuff. I just assumed this
1933
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was here because that's where the final boss is.
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01:42:41.119 --> 01:42:41.880
Because it's cool.
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Yeah, Yes, so cool.
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I don't know, your guess is as good as probably
1937
01:42:46.960 --> 01:42:50.359
better than mine. Well, but it's it is here.
1938
01:42:51.079 --> 01:42:55.000
It's here, and you know, this is a place that
1939
01:42:55.079 --> 01:42:58.720
was pulled through time. So perhaps the Dragon God has
1940
01:42:58.760 --> 01:43:00.159
a need for it. You know.
1941
01:43:00.159 --> 01:43:01.159
The Dragon God does.
1942
01:43:01.039 --> 01:43:05.079
Seem to be working in a similar way as Fate was.
1943
01:43:05.800 --> 01:43:08.880
To what ends, we don't really know, maybe just power,
1944
01:43:09.319 --> 01:43:11.319
and so the Frozen Flame, as far as we know,
1945
01:43:11.439 --> 01:43:14.600
is the ultimate power source. So there's probably a reason
1946
01:43:14.600 --> 01:43:17.319
for it to be there. May or maybe Lavos is
1947
01:43:17.319 --> 01:43:20.319
behind the poll mm hmm. I think that for a
1948
01:43:20.319 --> 01:43:22.239
lot of unexplained things in this game, you can say
1949
01:43:22.239 --> 01:43:23.880
because Lavos deemed it such.
1950
01:43:24.520 --> 01:43:28.279
Yeah, honestly, probably, I don't This doesn't directly connect. I
1951
01:43:28.359 --> 01:43:30.520
meant to bring it up earlier, but I just forgot to.
1952
01:43:31.439 --> 01:43:34.760
There is like, you know, we're we're made privy to
1953
01:43:34.800 --> 01:43:37.760
the fact that the Frozen Flame is Lavos, like right
1954
01:43:37.800 --> 01:43:40.520
after this fight. Actually that's when Belthazar tells us. Up
1955
01:43:40.600 --> 01:43:44.960
until now, we didn't know that, Okay, but there is
1956
01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:47.079
like I don't know if it's a fan theory or
1957
01:43:47.159 --> 01:43:50.600
just like an inferring on connecting the dots. But back
1958
01:43:50.640 --> 01:43:55.039
in Chrono, Trigger when the Maman Machine is underwater being
1959
01:43:55.159 --> 01:44:00.560
powered by or wait, the frozen or the Maman Machine
1960
01:44:00.600 --> 01:44:03.680
and Lavos are so far apart in zeal when all
1961
01:44:03.680 --> 01:44:08.079
of that's going down, some folks speculate that the frozen
1962
01:44:08.119 --> 01:44:12.399
flame was powering the Mammon Machine and it could communicate
1963
01:44:12.399 --> 01:44:16.079
with Lavos, and that kind of ties into Chrono Cross.
1964
01:44:16.720 --> 01:44:19.760
I'm probably not explaining that very well, but I don't
1965
01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:22.359
know if that's a fan theory or or what.
1966
01:44:23.279 --> 01:44:26.800
There's some other lore that kind of crosses this same
1967
01:44:27.800 --> 01:44:31.159
the same path. If you recall like the all the
1968
01:44:31.359 --> 01:44:34.840
like the Ruby knife and the Chrono Trigger, the Ruby
1969
01:44:34.880 --> 01:44:39.319
knife that somebody uses to destroy the Mammon Machine, it
1970
01:44:39.399 --> 01:44:41.760
is made I believe, of the same material as the
1971
01:44:41.800 --> 01:44:44.520
Moss Immune, because doesn't I think I think when someone
1972
01:44:44.520 --> 01:44:46.319
throws it on there, it transforms into the mass munity,
1973
01:44:46.479 --> 01:44:51.479
thus thus implying that there is a connection between between
1974
01:44:51.520 --> 01:44:52.159
those things.
1975
01:44:52.239 --> 01:44:53.239
And I don't know if it was.
1976
01:44:53.279 --> 01:44:58.079
Chrono Trigger, chronal cross, or something that was added later
1977
01:44:58.199 --> 01:45:01.520
through the anime cut scenes through the Chrono Trigger re releases,
1978
01:45:01.600 --> 01:45:04.359
but there is heavy implication that the Mosca unit is
1979
01:45:04.359 --> 01:45:08.840
made from like the dreamstone from that fell from Lavos
1980
01:45:09.159 --> 01:45:12.560
thus having a frozen flame like property. I don't remember
1981
01:45:12.560 --> 01:45:15.159
what that point is, but like there is like a
1982
01:45:15.199 --> 01:45:19.960
lot of I don't know, shards scales of lavos that
1983
01:45:20.760 --> 01:45:23.199
play a factor in in both games.
1984
01:45:43.000 --> 01:45:45.439
This starts the first of the final the first of
1985
01:45:45.479 --> 01:45:48.039
the two phases of the final boss fight, and the
1986
01:45:48.079 --> 01:45:51.760
first phase actually has six phases. Scott Steiner math time
1987
01:45:52.640 --> 01:45:55.840
he comes up the Dragon, which is referred to now
1988
01:45:55.880 --> 01:45:57.159
as the Time Devourer.
1989
01:45:58.119 --> 01:45:58.359
Yeah.
1990
01:45:58.479 --> 01:46:00.159
Interesting, interesting choice.
1991
01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:03.119
Yeah. I was gonna say more on that in a second,
1992
01:46:03.159 --> 01:46:07.600
but I think Belthazzar just says that that's who it is.
1993
01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:11.000
Is that is that a callback to chrono trigger. There's
1994
01:46:11.039 --> 01:46:12.760
a dream Devour somewhere.
1995
01:46:12.399 --> 01:46:16.880
Right, Dream Devour I don't recall unless it was in
1996
01:46:16.920 --> 01:46:18.239
the DS version or something.
1997
01:46:18.960 --> 01:46:22.439
At any rate, Time Devour, You're gonna it muses a
1998
01:46:22.479 --> 01:46:26.439
little bit around the fimes, like very generally, must one
1999
01:46:26.439 --> 01:46:29.920
destroy the world in order to allow another world to continue.
2000
01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:34.000
The wounded in turn wound and torment those weaker than them.
2001
01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:36.159
What really struck me here is just how good the
2002
01:46:36.159 --> 01:46:38.239
PS one looks with all the lighting effects that it's
2003
01:46:38.279 --> 01:46:41.560
doing throughout here. Yeah, although admittedly it was chug in
2004
01:46:41.600 --> 01:46:47.000
a little bit but still beautiful. This fight again with
2005
01:46:47.079 --> 01:46:50.880
the Master Mooney. I mean, this was just a breeze,
2006
01:46:51.159 --> 01:46:54.439
but it's a very cool gimmick. It's going to cycle
2007
01:46:54.479 --> 01:46:57.920
through each of the elements and you know you've got
2008
01:46:57.920 --> 01:47:00.239
to handle each one appropriately. You've got a demonst that
2009
01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:01.520
you understand the battle system.
2010
01:47:02.319 --> 01:47:05.239
Yeah, and the music here is fantastic.
2011
01:47:20.560 --> 01:47:22.720
This might be one of my favorite songs on the soundtrack.
2012
01:47:23.159 --> 01:47:23.920
It's so epic.
2013
01:47:24.199 --> 01:47:26.520
Oh, tell me about it. I didn't write anything about it.
2014
01:47:27.119 --> 01:47:30.000
Uh, the song is called I think it's just called
2015
01:47:30.079 --> 01:47:34.239
Dragon God. Oh okay, but it has it has vocals.
2016
01:47:34.439 --> 01:47:38.159
They're just chants and in hums. But like, this was
2017
01:47:38.239 --> 01:47:41.640
very much of an era when if there was any
2018
01:47:41.680 --> 01:47:47.439
sort of human vocals in a j RPG song, then
2019
01:47:47.479 --> 01:47:49.479
it meant it was cool. You know what I'm trying
2020
01:47:49.520 --> 01:47:51.439
to get, you know, like one wing an Angel says
2021
01:47:51.439 --> 01:47:56.000
on this path, Oh yeah, Yeah, this was just a
2022
01:47:56.039 --> 01:47:58.279
really great, a really great moment. It is a is
2023
01:47:58.359 --> 01:48:02.560
absolute banger, probably one of my favorite pieces of boss music.
2024
01:48:17.039 --> 01:48:21.640
So you defeat this guy six stages if you have
2025
01:48:21.720 --> 01:48:24.520
diminish and you know how to roughly time it so
2026
01:48:24.640 --> 01:48:27.159
it kind of never goes away A lot of this
2027
01:48:27.279 --> 01:48:31.279
becomes perfunctory. Got I use that word. I don't know.
2028
01:48:31.640 --> 01:48:34.760
This is where beltas are. Afterwards, the Time Devour flies
2029
01:48:34.760 --> 01:48:37.920
away and says, now I can truly awaken. We're doing
2030
01:48:37.960 --> 01:48:42.119
that the true final boss Beltizer explains about the frozen
2031
01:48:42.119 --> 01:48:45.840
flame being Lavos, saying that whoever connects with it essentially
2032
01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:50.760
becomes one with Lavos. Hence the Time Devourer, and this
2033
01:48:50.840 --> 01:48:54.000
new being desires to end everything, return it all to nothing,
2034
01:48:54.399 --> 01:49:00.119
you know that classic jeripg trope. More interestingly, maybe the
2035
01:49:00.159 --> 01:49:03.239
tower sort of falls to the top of the ocean,
2036
01:49:03.960 --> 01:49:09.520
crystallizes in this like window sene and grows wings and
2037
01:49:09.600 --> 01:49:12.840
also like a pre formed head that kind of turns
2038
01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:13.359
a little bit.
2039
01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:14.880
Yeah, it's weird.
2040
01:49:14.920 --> 01:49:16.960
I've never really quite figured out what this issupposed to
2041
01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:21.640
symbolize other than just like cool labyrinth destruction sequence, please
2042
01:49:21.720 --> 01:49:22.039
thank you.
2043
01:49:22.840 --> 01:49:25.880
Yeah, I don't know either, because directly afterwards there's there's
2044
01:49:25.880 --> 01:49:28.840
a little bit with your party right after. I largely
2045
01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:33.239
thought the first part of this dialogue was just thrown
2046
01:49:33.239 --> 01:49:34.720
in there to kill time, so I just didn't even
2047
01:49:34.760 --> 01:49:37.680
bother writing it. But Kid, or at least in my case,
2048
01:49:37.760 --> 01:49:40.840
Kid said, so this is the Tarra Tower's true final form,
2049
01:49:41.520 --> 01:49:44.239
like it was supposed to mean something, but then Kid
2050
01:49:44.279 --> 01:49:46.319
went on to talk about you know, it's it's we
2051
01:49:46.359 --> 01:49:48.520
can change fate, that kind of little speech, and they
2052
01:49:48.600 --> 01:49:50.439
just never talk about the tower again. And that's not
2053
01:49:50.479 --> 01:49:51.399
the final boss fight.
2054
01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:55.880
So yeah, who knows. I don't think that there's anything
2055
01:49:55.880 --> 01:49:58.920
to expound on there. And I guess, like that's like
2056
01:49:59.560 --> 01:50:01.319
what you you can do that with something that just
2057
01:50:01.359 --> 01:50:04.039
got pulled through ten thousand years of from an alternate
2058
01:50:04.079 --> 01:50:07.880
timeline or whatever and just do whatever. I guess you
2059
01:50:07.880 --> 01:50:08.960
don't have to explain this one.
2060
01:50:08.960 --> 01:50:09.359
I guess.
2061
01:50:09.800 --> 01:50:12.359
Yeah, he's once again Kato is leaning back, saying what
2062
01:50:12.399 --> 01:50:12.960
do you think?
2063
01:50:13.439 --> 01:50:15.359
Hmmm, I don't know what. I think. It looks kind
2064
01:50:15.359 --> 01:50:17.000
of like a giant weird bird.
2065
01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:19.760
Yeah, it kind of does. I thought it was gonna
2066
01:50:19.760 --> 01:50:21.680
have some kind of a tie into, like the rainbow
2067
01:50:21.840 --> 01:50:24.920
stuff that's been a tie in through both games. Yeah, sure,
2068
01:50:25.279 --> 01:50:29.479
not really. So here's here's where things get It's gonna
2069
01:50:29.479 --> 01:50:31.079
say here's where things get crazy, but that would be
2070
01:50:31.079 --> 01:50:34.239
a lie. They've been crazy for a while. You go back,
2071
01:50:34.439 --> 01:50:35.960
you're hinted to go back to where it all began.
2072
01:50:36.119 --> 01:50:38.920
Opassa beach. You know, time is a circle, This game
2073
01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:43.119
is a circle. Appropriate you get their home world and
2074
01:50:43.239 --> 01:50:45.960
all the Chrono kids are there. I remember, like I
2075
01:50:45.960 --> 01:50:48.359
didn't like at first when you first see them, like
2076
01:50:48.399 --> 01:50:51.000
in the factory way back when they're kind of like
2077
01:50:51.079 --> 01:50:53.920
the camera's real far back here. It's very close, so
2078
01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:56.479
you get to see their sprites, like right up close
2079
01:50:56.479 --> 01:50:59.960
in person. Looks so good, looks great, And the three
2080
01:51:00.079 --> 01:51:02.520
of them are going to say a whole lot of stuff.
2081
01:51:03.199 --> 01:51:06.239
Yep, this is the this is the Discs too moment
2082
01:51:06.840 --> 01:51:09.239
for Zeno Gears fans out there. We're gonna tell you
2083
01:51:09.239 --> 01:51:09.880
a lot of stuff.
2084
01:51:10.720 --> 01:51:14.640
Luca. You talk to Luca first, you should, She's the closest,
2085
01:51:14.880 --> 01:51:17.720
and she'll wonder, you know, when did this all start?
2086
01:51:17.760 --> 01:51:20.399
Sixty five million BC twenty three hundred, like when you
2087
01:51:20.479 --> 01:51:23.600
got bit all of this. But she concludes, and this
2088
01:51:23.640 --> 01:51:26.600
is the first time she has name checked, she concludes
2089
01:51:26.640 --> 01:51:32.039
it was with Shala. Yes, Shala is ultimately the crux
2090
01:51:32.680 --> 01:51:35.279
on top of which the Chrono series sort of rests.
2091
01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:38.960
And this is a really bold choice to do, especially
2092
01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:41.960
with how the story has kind of panned out up
2093
01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:44.520
to this point, like at least from the halfway point,
2094
01:51:44.720 --> 01:51:46.920
like they had their destinations in mind. They're kind of
2095
01:51:46.920 --> 01:51:49.279
forcing us into them, shunting us with Lord dumps and stuff.
2096
01:51:49.439 --> 01:51:52.079
It's really bold of them to keep this because Shala,
2097
01:51:52.560 --> 01:51:55.000
I mean largely Shaula has been a background character, an
2098
01:51:55.039 --> 01:51:59.239
important one, and you'd be forgiven if you thought that
2099
01:51:59.239 --> 01:52:02.319
she only existed as a motivation for Megas, like in
2100
01:52:02.399 --> 01:52:06.920
Trigger that is. But she's kind of the lynchpin on
2101
01:52:07.039 --> 01:52:08.479
this whole story.
2102
01:52:09.119 --> 01:52:13.239
That's correct, and I don't like that it's just now
2103
01:52:13.279 --> 01:52:16.520
being introduced, but I do think it is a good
2104
01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:19.720
pull from Croninal Trigger because she was like the one
2105
01:52:19.800 --> 01:52:23.560
character that was unaccounted for in the ending of Crinal Trigger,
2106
01:52:23.720 --> 01:52:26.640
And if you kept Magus through the end of the game,
2107
01:52:27.159 --> 01:52:30.319
then he left. In most of the endings, he leaves
2108
01:52:30.359 --> 01:52:33.720
to go search for her, and that's the one thread
2109
01:52:33.760 --> 01:52:35.800
that's that's left undone.
2110
01:52:35.920 --> 01:52:40.600
And after I think, after these three children speak, uh,
2111
01:52:40.880 --> 01:52:43.960
I want to ask you about a fan theory because
2112
01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:47.479
I okay, let's so Luca. Luca has the most to say.
2113
01:52:48.319 --> 01:52:51.239
Here's what she says. The true beginning was during the
2114
01:52:51.279 --> 01:52:54.720
destruction of the Kingdom of zeal As the palace collapsed
2115
01:52:54.720 --> 01:52:57.960
around her. Shalla was sucked into a dimensional vortex along
2116
01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:02.279
with the Lavos Mammon machine. Shala and Lavos became unified
2117
01:53:02.279 --> 01:53:04.960
into one even more powerful entity that would evolve into
2118
01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:08.520
the Devourer of Time. Filled with the hatred and sadness
2119
01:53:08.520 --> 01:53:11.680
of Lavos, half of Shala's mind became set on destroying
2120
01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:14.479
all of existence, yet at the same time, the other
2121
01:53:14.560 --> 01:53:16.760
half of her mind desired to save the universe and
2122
01:53:16.800 --> 01:53:19.920
to be rescued herself. So we're back with that duality
2123
01:53:19.960 --> 01:53:23.479
thing that Chronocross has been playing with, she continues. As
2124
01:53:23.520 --> 01:53:26.000
Shalla fell through the time gate in this condition, she
2125
01:53:26.119 --> 01:53:30.359
heard your crying Surge echoing through time. That is when
2126
01:53:30.399 --> 01:53:33.159
her story in yours began to intertwine. It is also
2127
01:53:33.199 --> 01:53:35.199
when the past in the future began to intersect, and
2128
01:53:35.239 --> 01:53:38.159
when the world became divided into two, led by the
2129
01:53:38.199 --> 01:53:41.239
pitiful crying of the young Surge. It seemed like a
2130
01:53:41.319 --> 01:53:45.000
needless jab to Surge made as the Panther Demon's poison
2131
01:53:45.039 --> 01:53:48.479
took hold of him. Princess Shawa traveled ten thousand years
2132
01:53:48.479 --> 01:53:51.159
in time to try and make contact with this dimension.
2133
01:53:51.520 --> 01:53:54.800
This caused a raging magnetic storm that resulted in Fate's
2134
01:53:54.840 --> 01:53:59.000
system malfunction, which led Surge to the Frozen Flame. Before
2135
01:53:59.039 --> 01:54:02.239
the destructive mindset that could become dominant. She cloned herself,
2136
01:54:02.600 --> 01:54:06.319
Shala did, and sent her copy into this dimension. Shala
2137
01:54:06.399 --> 01:54:10.279
left her baby daughter clone all one thing with her
2138
01:54:10.319 --> 01:54:14.159
ancient pendant, possessing magical powers. This was to safeguard her
2139
01:54:14.239 --> 01:54:18.279
daughter clone in life and death situations. That pendant would
2140
01:54:18.279 --> 01:54:21.159
rewind time a little, sending her daughter clone into a
2141
01:54:21.239 --> 01:54:25.520
safer point in the immediate past. That's right, Kid, is
2142
01:54:25.560 --> 01:54:30.560
Shalla's Daughter's clone. That explains the whole retrograde amnesia thing.
2143
01:54:31.159 --> 01:54:34.319
Yes, and also explains why she just is always okay,
2144
01:54:35.119 --> 01:54:35.520
m hmm.
2145
01:54:35.600 --> 01:54:38.600
Yeah. And now about Project Kids. So this is where
2146
01:54:38.600 --> 01:54:41.199
she talks about Project Kid. So queue up what you
2147
01:54:41.239 --> 01:54:44.760
were going to say. The Time Control Project Belthazar planned out.
2148
01:54:44.840 --> 01:54:47.840
The whole project existed to lead you to this one
2149
01:54:47.880 --> 01:54:52.279
special point in time. The founding of Chronopolis, the time crash,
2150
01:54:52.319 --> 01:54:55.159
and the battle between Fate and the Dragon Gods. It
2151
01:54:55.239 --> 01:54:58.239
was all coordinated so that you would get your hands
2152
01:54:58.239 --> 01:55:02.239
on the Crono Cross and come to this place. Of course,
2153
01:55:02.319 --> 01:55:04.199
Kid was not to know anything about this plan until
2154
01:55:04.279 --> 01:55:07.920
later when all was finished. Further in the future, Kid
2155
01:55:07.960 --> 01:55:10.479
is meant to travel back ten years in time from
2156
01:55:10.560 --> 01:55:14.760
now to save Surge from drowning. And then Kid was
2157
01:55:14.800 --> 01:55:17.399
also meant to call Surge into the other world as
2158
01:55:17.439 --> 01:55:20.880
he spoke with Lena here on Apassa Beach, and then
2159
01:55:20.920 --> 01:55:23.920
she makes like a final plea to him. See, that's
2160
01:55:24.680 --> 01:55:27.680
all of that is important in giving you like explicit lore.
2161
01:55:28.840 --> 01:55:30.920
They wanted to get here, they didn't have the time,
2162
01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:34.760
so they just said fuck it, tell us. So that's
2163
01:55:35.199 --> 01:55:38.439
that is. That's a lot. That is a lot what
2164
01:55:39.239 --> 01:55:42.199
Project Kid? You said, don't forget to talk about Project Kid.
2165
01:55:42.520 --> 01:55:44.159
Well, one of the reasons I wrote the down is
2166
01:55:44.159 --> 01:55:46.760
because I completely forgot that Luca gives us all of
2167
01:55:46.800 --> 01:55:51.520
the backstory for Project Kid right here. I thought that
2168
01:55:51.560 --> 01:55:53.479
Project Kid was something that you kind of had to
2169
01:55:53.479 --> 01:55:57.600
put together yourself as a player, and I totally forgot
2170
01:55:57.600 --> 01:56:01.760
that she like explicitly tells us what it is, and
2171
01:56:01.840 --> 01:56:05.399
what it is is simply just the thought process and
2172
01:56:05.439 --> 01:56:08.520
the plan of Belthazar, who seems like a guy who
2173
01:56:08.560 --> 01:56:10.279
has way too many plans, and he seems like a
2174
01:56:10.319 --> 01:56:13.760
guy who's messed all this up to begin with. Maybe
2175
01:56:13.800 --> 01:56:15.840
he's the true bad guy, I don't know, or maybe
2176
01:56:15.840 --> 01:56:18.239
he's just, you know, a little bit misguided.
2177
01:56:18.760 --> 01:56:21.399
But the one thing that I've.
2178
01:56:21.239 --> 01:56:25.319
Always found to be a little difficult to grapple with
2179
01:56:26.159 --> 01:56:32.279
is that how how could Belthazar set this in motion?
2180
01:56:33.560 --> 01:56:36.239
Like is Project Kid even a project?
2181
01:56:36.520 --> 01:56:38.680
Or did he? Just like how did like?
2182
01:56:39.039 --> 01:56:41.520
How? How how could he know that that a daughter
2183
01:56:41.600 --> 01:56:45.359
clone was going to be created? And how to orchestrate
2184
01:56:45.960 --> 01:56:49.399
her actions? It all seems very I don't know, off
2185
01:56:49.399 --> 01:56:52.319
the off the rails here. I feel like Project Kid
2186
01:56:52.319 --> 01:56:54.279
gets things going off the rails because I think we
2187
01:56:54.279 --> 01:56:56.079
could just let it play as it as it is,
2188
01:56:56.079 --> 01:56:58.359
where like Charlot's got magical powers, she sends her daughter
2189
01:56:58.439 --> 01:57:00.720
clone in the in the past and that sets off
2190
01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:03.880
these events, I think we'd still land here, like, I
2191
01:57:03.920 --> 01:57:06.800
don't know if this needs to feel orchestrated, and that
2192
01:57:06.800 --> 01:57:08.279
that's just a little bit of a quip or a
2193
01:57:08.319 --> 01:57:09.239
criticism I have with this.
2194
01:57:10.039 --> 01:57:12.439
Yeah, you know, I that's a good point. I hadn't
2195
01:57:12.479 --> 01:57:15.039
thought of that we could have just undone the Belthazar
2196
01:57:15.079 --> 01:57:17.479
bit here. That actually would have been much better.
2197
01:57:18.319 --> 01:57:21.199
Oh shit, because that would be the one, maybe the
2198
01:57:21.239 --> 01:57:23.600
one thing in this in this entire process that is
2199
01:57:23.680 --> 01:57:27.479
not planned or predetermined by either you know, an AI
2200
01:57:27.720 --> 01:57:28.119
or a guy.
2201
01:57:28.920 --> 01:57:33.279
Yeah, I guess, Like I feel like if I were
2202
01:57:33.319 --> 01:57:35.359
asked to defend it, the only thing I could come
2203
01:57:35.439 --> 01:57:38.119
up with is that, you know, he's been traveling through
2204
01:57:38.359 --> 01:57:41.520
time and different dimensions so much you could probably just
2205
01:57:41.600 --> 01:57:44.199
handwave and say, yeah, he went to one where this
2206
01:57:44.319 --> 01:57:48.600
happened and it didn't work. I guess. I mean that
2207
01:57:48.600 --> 01:57:50.920
that feels like such a cop out, But I can't, like,
2208
01:57:51.000 --> 01:57:53.439
I have trouble putting the logic together of how else
2209
01:57:53.479 --> 01:57:55.600
they would have. I don't know. Man.
2210
01:57:56.600 --> 01:57:58.520
So the first thing that Belthazar did was was to
2211
01:57:58.600 --> 01:58:02.479
create the time machine or Chronopolis, I guess, is what
2212
01:58:02.520 --> 01:58:06.159
he created first in this in this process. Yeah, he
2213
01:58:06.239 --> 01:58:09.840
had the frozen flame, he created air, he installed Fate
2214
01:58:10.479 --> 01:58:15.640
off a floppy drive. Did he trigger the the the
2215
01:58:15.640 --> 01:58:18.439
the time crash thing? Like? Is that was that actually
2216
01:58:18.520 --> 01:58:21.159
part of it? Or was that or was that that
2217
01:58:21.159 --> 01:58:24.199
that a problem because we just learned that the time
2218
01:58:24.239 --> 01:58:27.560
crash or did we No, never mind, we didn't learn
2219
01:58:27.600 --> 01:58:29.800
the time crash was part what was was part of Yeah?
2220
01:58:29.880 --> 01:58:32.039
Yeah, she says, the founding of Chronopolis, the time crash
2221
01:58:32.119 --> 01:58:34.479
and the battle between Fate and the Dragon Gods, it
2222
01:58:34.520 --> 01:58:37.239
was all coordinated, so maybe maybe that was planned.
2223
01:58:38.039 --> 01:58:41.000
Okay, so let's let's just for a minute grant grant
2224
01:58:41.039 --> 01:58:47.479
that that the time crash was predestined by Pelthazar. The
2225
01:58:47.520 --> 01:58:50.239
next thing that happened is Chronopolis when flying back into
2226
01:58:50.319 --> 01:58:54.039
the to the past, and then Fate controlled everyone and
2227
01:58:54.199 --> 01:58:56.399
on El Nido and used the records of Fate to
2228
01:58:57.199 --> 01:59:01.520
uh preserve the timeline. So if beth is, if Belthazar
2229
01:59:01.680 --> 01:59:04.199
was the one that created that or or orchestrated that,
2230
01:59:04.640 --> 01:59:09.640
then he wanted he wanted Chronopolis to be there in
2231
01:59:09.640 --> 01:59:12.960
al Nido, and he wanted the timeline to be preserved.
2232
01:59:13.479 --> 01:59:17.600
So now he's got like this, this sort of predictable
2233
01:59:17.640 --> 01:59:20.399
set of things that are going to occur into the future.
2234
01:59:21.159 --> 01:59:24.560
So what do you do after that? Let me think here, Well,
2235
01:59:24.600 --> 01:59:27.159
I guess the next step would be I was gonna
2236
01:59:27.159 --> 01:59:30.640
say Surge, but Surge's story can't exist without Kid because
2237
01:59:30.720 --> 01:59:35.560
kids the one who saves him from the when he
2238
01:59:35.600 --> 01:59:38.800
was a kid. I guess right, No pun intended. So
2239
01:59:38.880 --> 01:59:41.760
if Kid comes back, well, how did he get how
2240
01:59:41.800 --> 01:59:44.960
did he? How is how is Belthazar able to influence
2241
01:59:45.039 --> 01:59:47.000
Kid to do this? Did he insert her into the
2242
01:59:47.039 --> 01:59:52.319
timeline somehow? Have you seen the add on epilogue for
2243
01:59:52.560 --> 01:59:54.079
the Corono trigger DS.
2244
01:59:54.640 --> 01:59:56.720
Is that the one where Luca finds kid like in
2245
01:59:56.800 --> 01:59:58.000
the in the forest?
2246
01:59:58.600 --> 02:00:02.199
Yeah, h where she finds the baby with the pendant
2247
02:00:02.239 --> 02:00:05.000
in the forest. Like, I don't know if it's possible
2248
02:00:05.000 --> 02:00:06.760
for Beth his art to be responsible for that, but
2249
02:00:06.840 --> 02:00:09.720
if if Project kid is A is a pre programmed
2250
02:00:10.760 --> 02:00:13.119
plan or scenario, then then he would have had to
2251
02:00:13.359 --> 02:00:16.359
and sort of get into the process right there and then,
2252
02:00:16.479 --> 02:00:19.680
and then that would have created the the the splitting
2253
02:00:19.680 --> 02:00:24.600
of the timelines when Surge was saved. So he forced
2254
02:00:24.640 --> 02:00:26.920
the timelines to be split, assuming that he and started
2255
02:00:27.000 --> 02:00:31.119
kid into the into the process, then he let then
2256
02:00:31.159 --> 02:00:33.079
the rest of the gameplay that were Fate and the
2257
02:00:33.159 --> 02:00:36.920
Dragons thought, I mean, is it possible?
2258
02:00:37.680 --> 02:00:40.319
And I'm look, I'm again I'm admitting I am not
2259
02:00:40.399 --> 02:00:42.760
good with time travel stuff. Is it possible that like
2260
02:00:43.600 --> 02:00:47.279
this timeline had already started so he would have been
2261
02:00:47.319 --> 02:00:51.520
able to know that No, because that doesn't work. Well,
2262
02:00:52.439 --> 02:00:55.880
oh my god, I don't know. I was gonna say, like,
2263
02:00:56.239 --> 02:00:59.399
and maybe he saw that in a timeline a Kid
2264
02:00:59.520 --> 02:01:04.800
saving Surge and then said, okay, now if no, that
2265
02:01:04.800 --> 02:01:06.920
doesn't make sense, I.
2266
02:01:06.880 --> 02:01:09.000
Think it can that that can make sense, Like if
2267
02:01:09.000 --> 02:01:11.279
he's if he has the ability through we don't know
2268
02:01:11.279 --> 02:01:13.920
what powers Chronopolis necessarily has, so if he has the
2269
02:01:13.960 --> 02:01:18.800
ability to see the fragments of time, then perhaps he
2270
02:01:18.840 --> 02:01:22.119
could have he could have orchestrated that. I guess all
2271
02:01:22.119 --> 02:01:24.399
this is to say that, like I've always we have
2272
02:01:24.439 --> 02:01:27.760
a little term or fun meme on our podcast where
2273
02:01:27.800 --> 02:01:32.640
we always always call out when people are are scenario guys,
2274
02:01:32.800 --> 02:01:37.119
Like guys who are trying to orchestrate a scenario for
2275
02:01:37.319 --> 02:01:40.199
one reason or another to their own ends, like Willhelm
2276
02:01:40.279 --> 02:01:43.279
from xenosag As one of them. Are the many characters
2277
02:01:43.399 --> 02:01:46.560
in Zeno Gears are scenario guys. I never really thought
2278
02:01:46.600 --> 02:01:50.199
that Bronocrass had a scenario guy, but I now am convinced.
2279
02:01:50.279 --> 02:01:54.319
I've convinced myself that Belthazar is a scenario guy. He's
2280
02:01:54.359 --> 02:01:57.079
the one who orchestrated everything. And I guess it's and
2281
02:01:57.159 --> 02:01:59.800
I guess like just going just thinking through what we
2282
02:01:59.880 --> 02:02:03.960
just thought through, that it's possible that it it actually
2283
02:02:03.960 --> 02:02:06.920
works in terms of understanding things.
2284
02:02:07.560 --> 02:02:11.880
I'm so torn. I really want to just replay Crono
2285
02:02:11.920 --> 02:02:15.319
Trigger and Chronocross again right now. But I also don't
2286
02:02:15.319 --> 02:02:17.479
want to burn myself out on all this and kind
2287
02:02:17.520 --> 02:02:20.720
of resent the series. I like talking about this stuff
2288
02:02:21.439 --> 02:02:23.560
is I mean again, it's where it comes alive. It
2289
02:02:23.560 --> 02:02:25.399
comes live off the page, off of the score, off
2290
02:02:25.399 --> 02:02:28.520
of the screen, whatever, whatever, whatever, And that's what makes
2291
02:02:28.640 --> 02:02:32.199
this stuff good. But it just makes me, especially with
2292
02:02:32.279 --> 02:02:34.880
Cross where a lot of this is so convoluted, like
2293
02:02:34.920 --> 02:02:36.760
I want to go back and replay it to see
2294
02:02:36.840 --> 02:02:38.840
what I missed that they might have put in there
2295
02:02:39.279 --> 02:02:41.319
that you just might not have noticed because so much
2296
02:02:41.319 --> 02:02:44.760
other BS is going on. Who has that time?
2297
02:02:45.920 --> 02:02:46.239
Not me?
2298
02:02:47.479 --> 02:02:48.319
Belthazar does.
2299
02:02:49.079 --> 02:02:50.520
Yeah, certainly.
2300
02:03:18.479 --> 02:03:20.880
Marl gets a little bit of the short stick here.
2301
02:03:21.000 --> 02:03:25.680
She doesn't have a ton of really critical stuff to say,
2302
02:03:26.239 --> 02:03:29.720
essentially saying that only Surge can you know, can can
2303
02:03:29.760 --> 02:03:33.840
do this. If you don't, something even more powerful than
2304
02:03:33.880 --> 02:03:37.720
Lavos is going to come up. Oh and that belth
2305
02:03:37.800 --> 02:03:40.640
Star foresaw all of this, he knew it was gonna happen.
2306
02:03:41.680 --> 02:03:45.600
Chrono and this could be kind of cool too, because
2307
02:03:45.640 --> 02:03:47.840
this is like you could hand wave away I guess
2308
02:03:47.880 --> 02:03:50.880
the other instances of Chrono speaking because like it could
2309
02:03:50.920 --> 02:03:54.279
have been anybody in there. You could say, this is
2310
02:03:54.319 --> 02:03:56.760
explicitly where you talk to him. This is him speaking,
2311
02:03:56.760 --> 02:03:58.800
which I imagine would have been pretty cool.
2312
02:03:58.920 --> 02:03:59.199
Cool.
2313
02:03:59.520 --> 02:04:01.479
He has a lot of good stuff to say, though.
2314
02:04:02.079 --> 02:04:06.279
He says, ten years ago you died at this very spot, Surge.
2315
02:04:06.479 --> 02:04:09.680
There's no mistake you drowned. The truth is this world
2316
02:04:09.920 --> 02:04:13.239
in which you are still alive is the irregularity. This
2317
02:04:13.319 --> 02:04:16.399
is the false reality. Ten years ago. It was Lynx
2318
02:04:16.439 --> 02:04:19.880
who tried to kill you at this beach. After Prometheus
2319
02:04:20.399 --> 02:04:23.960
robo broke the link between Fate and the Flame, Fate
2320
02:04:24.000 --> 02:04:27.159
tried to eliminate any obstacle that stood in its way.
2321
02:04:27.239 --> 02:04:30.920
In the meantime, the Six Dragons had sent Horrel seventh
2322
02:04:31.000 --> 02:04:33.800
Dragon fourth to try to gain possession of the Flame.
2323
02:04:34.199 --> 02:04:38.760
Are all made contact with Fate's biological incarnation links and
2324
02:04:38.960 --> 02:04:44.520
tricked him into tem temporarily joining forces. I missed that
2325
02:04:44.640 --> 02:04:49.119
somehow anyway. The elimination of the Prometheus circuit's lock on
2326
02:04:49.159 --> 02:04:52.760
the frozen Flame was everyone's top priority. Lynx and Horror
2327
02:04:52.800 --> 02:04:56.159
abducted Luca talked about that before, who alone could release
2328
02:04:56.199 --> 02:04:59.199
the Prometheus lock that guarded the flame, But that whole
2329
02:04:59.199 --> 02:05:02.640
attempt only en in failure. Then they just waited for
2330
02:05:02.720 --> 02:05:05.960
you to appear instead. You see Fate calculated that you
2331
02:05:06.000 --> 02:05:08.840
would one day cross the dimensions and try to make
2332
02:05:08.880 --> 02:05:11.359
contact with the flame. I don't know how to break
2333
02:05:11.359 --> 02:05:14.760
this to you, but Lynx was actually your father. Wazuki
2334
02:05:15.720 --> 02:05:18.479
drawing closer to the flame caused him to become unstable,
2335
02:05:18.520 --> 02:05:22.520
and the image of you dying in terror changed him completely. Finally,
2336
02:05:22.800 --> 02:05:25.960
after having his psyche totally eroded, he lost his soul
2337
02:05:26.039 --> 02:05:29.279
and was easily integrated by Fate. Fate turned Wazuki into
2338
02:05:29.279 --> 02:05:32.640
a biological interface, modeling him after your worst fear at
2339
02:05:32.680 --> 02:05:36.439
the time, a panther. Although Wazuki managed to escape from
2340
02:05:36.479 --> 02:05:40.399
Chronopolis with you, he later succumbed to Fate. He goes
2341
02:05:40.439 --> 02:05:44.800
on to news about the state of humans, their fragility.
2342
02:05:46.079 --> 02:05:48.079
That is a lot. I copy and pasted that and
2343
02:05:48.119 --> 02:05:51.000
cut out some stuff like just reading through it earlier,
2344
02:05:51.680 --> 02:05:55.319
I completely missed. What did I say that I missed
2345
02:05:55.359 --> 02:05:55.680
up there?
2346
02:05:56.600 --> 02:06:00.960
The fact that Harley tricked links into oh yes, becoming
2347
02:06:01.439 --> 02:06:03.720
form an alliance, being in with one another.
2348
02:06:04.359 --> 02:06:07.399
They uh, by the way, somebody pointed this out online.
2349
02:06:07.439 --> 02:06:09.600
They never have any interactions in the whole game. They
2350
02:06:09.640 --> 02:06:13.039
never speak to one another. Really, isn't that weird?
2351
02:06:13.560 --> 02:06:16.199
That is weird because she talks to when when you
2352
02:06:16.239 --> 02:06:19.640
are in Lynx's body and she is with you, she
2353
02:06:19.720 --> 02:06:21.399
talks to Surge an awful lot.
2354
02:06:22.279 --> 02:06:24.439
Yeah she like, you know, you see them together like
2355
02:06:24.439 --> 02:06:27.439
in the orphanage scene and stuff, but they never talk
2356
02:06:27.600 --> 02:06:30.920
or he never talks to her anyway. I don't know, man,
2357
02:06:31.000 --> 02:06:33.560
that's a lot. I don't want to keep repeating myself.
2358
02:06:33.600 --> 02:06:35.880
But they they really wanted us to get to where
2359
02:06:35.920 --> 02:06:37.880
they had planned to be.
2360
02:06:38.680 --> 02:06:41.359
Yeah, And I don't know what they could have done
2361
02:06:41.479 --> 02:06:44.319
to get us there other than just telling us. But
2362
02:06:44.359 --> 02:06:45.920
I would have loved to have seen a world where
2363
02:06:45.960 --> 02:06:47.760
they had three more years to figure that out.
2364
02:06:48.760 --> 02:06:52.399
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. I forget at what point I
2365
02:06:52.439 --> 02:06:54.279
thought this, But at one point I was like, yeah,
2366
02:06:54.279 --> 02:06:57.239
this game reminds me of like Lost Odyssey, where it's
2367
02:06:57.239 --> 02:07:00.119
like it's it's a bit of a mess, but I
2368
02:07:00.119 --> 02:07:01.960
I just you know, it's doing some cool things. It
2369
02:07:02.000 --> 02:07:04.600
also reminds me of Zeno Saga to a bit of
2370
02:07:04.600 --> 02:07:07.279
a less degree. It just needed so much more time
2371
02:07:07.359 --> 02:07:10.960
because the ideas were there, the talent was there. If
2372
02:07:11.000 --> 02:07:13.880
they had more budget, more time, better planning, this could
2373
02:07:13.880 --> 02:07:17.119
have been like a generational thing. And it's just a
2374
02:07:17.159 --> 02:07:20.000
shame you know, I don't know, not a shame. I mean,
2375
02:07:20.039 --> 02:07:23.520
I again, I love the game. There's just so much
2376
02:07:23.680 --> 02:07:25.800
you know what, Let's tie it back to the first
2377
02:07:25.840 --> 02:07:28.560
thing we talked about. It's like the Star Wars prequels.
2378
02:07:29.039 --> 02:07:33.439
There's so much like potential that you can just see
2379
02:07:33.560 --> 02:07:36.600
that was untapped, just went without and we're always wondering,
2380
02:07:36.640 --> 02:07:38.199
like what could have been? We could have had something
2381
02:07:38.319 --> 02:07:38.920
so amazing.
2382
02:07:39.920 --> 02:07:44.520
Yeah, that's a really apt comparison because I mean, why
2383
02:07:44.800 --> 02:07:48.560
was Star Wars so beloved. It was because it was
2384
02:07:48.640 --> 02:07:52.960
a world that any number of people could play around in,
2385
02:07:53.359 --> 02:07:57.720
whether that be in with books or games or just
2386
02:07:57.800 --> 02:08:02.319
your own imagination. And it feels like whenever a new
2387
02:08:02.359 --> 02:08:05.239
Star Wars thing comes out and it sucks, it feels
2388
02:08:05.640 --> 02:08:06.840
it feels wasted.
2389
02:08:06.520 --> 02:08:08.079
Because you can see the potential there.
2390
02:08:08.640 --> 02:08:12.119
And I think, I mean, it's a Chrono Trigger to
2391
02:08:12.600 --> 02:08:15.640
a much much lesser degree. It's not nearly the ip
2392
02:08:15.840 --> 02:08:18.680
that that Star Wars is, but like it is, it
2393
02:08:18.760 --> 02:08:22.880
is beloved in this specific niche that you can see
2394
02:08:22.920 --> 02:08:26.000
so much that that that can come out of that
2395
02:08:26.119 --> 02:08:28.720
and come out of those ideas, and those ideas are
2396
02:08:29.039 --> 02:08:33.199
partially or mostly formed here in Chrono Cross but It's
2397
02:08:33.359 --> 02:08:37.239
just the landing is not necessarily stuck in a way
2398
02:08:37.279 --> 02:08:42.000
that would be appealing enough to make this an everlasting
2399
02:08:42.079 --> 02:08:44.399
kind of series, you know, like we never we never
2400
02:08:44.399 --> 02:08:47.000
see an our croninal game after this, and perhaps the
2401
02:08:47.039 --> 02:08:50.079
things turn out differently we would have for better or worse.
2402
02:08:50.119 --> 02:08:52.079
Who knows, you know they are.
2403
02:08:52.279 --> 02:08:54.479
That rumor of a Chrono Trigger remake has been floating
2404
02:08:54.479 --> 02:08:57.079
around quite a bit the vast couple of months.
2405
02:08:57.640 --> 02:08:59.840
I do believe there was some merchandise or something being
2406
02:09:00.479 --> 02:09:03.119
so whenever that kind of happens, people kind of ramp up,
2407
02:09:03.119 --> 02:09:05.800
being like, oh, they're getting ready to announce something for
2408
02:09:06.319 --> 02:09:08.319
Corona Trigger, but who knows?
2409
02:09:08.399 --> 02:09:09.479
Man. Yeah.
2410
02:09:09.520 --> 02:09:11.960
You also you also have like some of those posts
2411
02:09:12.000 --> 02:09:14.399
on like four Chan, where admittedly a lot of them
2412
02:09:14.399 --> 02:09:16.159
are right, but just as many, if not more, are
2413
02:09:16.199 --> 02:09:19.000
wrong saying that like yeah, someone's you know, they're working
2414
02:09:19.000 --> 02:09:21.560
on it. On one hand, I want to think, like,
2415
02:09:21.600 --> 02:09:24.960
I don't know if they would have the gall to
2416
02:09:25.199 --> 02:09:27.000
like change it up, But then again, they did that
2417
02:09:27.079 --> 02:09:29.920
with seven, you know, and I would say seven is
2418
02:09:30.479 --> 02:09:34.279
both more important and beloved than Chrono Trigger, right or wrong.
2419
02:09:34.359 --> 02:09:39.359
I culturally I think that's probably accurate. Who knows, maybe
2420
02:09:39.399 --> 02:09:42.039
they'll remake this and like retouch stuff up even more
2421
02:09:42.800 --> 02:09:44.920
trigger I mean trigger, But then you know, on a
2422
02:09:44.960 --> 02:09:46.520
long enough timeline, maybe cross.
2423
02:09:46.640 --> 02:09:49.760
I don't know, right right right, it will be I
2424
02:09:49.760 --> 02:09:55.239
don't know, like it. My sort of perception of square
2425
02:09:55.479 --> 02:09:57.600
X as a corporation is like the people that are
2426
02:09:57.680 --> 02:09:58.640
calling the shots have no.
2427
02:09:58.640 --> 02:09:59.800
Idea what's actually going on.
2428
02:10:00.359 --> 02:10:02.560
But that's just the way. That's the way the way
2429
02:10:02.600 --> 02:10:03.960
I see it. I don't I don't have anything to
2430
02:10:04.000 --> 02:10:05.479
go off of. It's just kind of the way the
2431
02:10:05.520 --> 02:10:06.520
way it seems.
2432
02:10:06.760 --> 02:10:08.960
No, Yeah, I agree with you. I think most people
2433
02:10:08.960 --> 02:10:24.399
would final battle. This is it. It's against the same boss.
2434
02:10:25.199 --> 02:10:28.920
No music this time. It's just like ambient vortex swirl
2435
02:10:29.039 --> 02:10:32.760
sounds pretty cool and you're kind of out of time.
2436
02:10:33.439 --> 02:10:37.039
It's just sort of vortex space. And there are two
2437
02:10:37.039 --> 02:10:40.840
ways you can go about this. Oh sorry, actually it
2438
02:10:40.920 --> 02:10:42.439
is Uh, it is not. I don't know why I
2439
02:10:42.439 --> 02:10:45.079
said that. It is not the same thing, the same boss.
2440
02:10:45.159 --> 02:10:49.520
It is very clearly Lavos. Actually it is a Lavos spawn,
2441
02:10:49.920 --> 02:10:54.520
but Shala is like encased at the top like a
2442
02:10:54.680 --> 02:10:58.359
like a crown sort of correct. Yeah, it's and I
2443
02:10:58.399 --> 02:11:01.800
mean we understand it to be heard now, I don't know.
2444
02:11:01.800 --> 02:11:03.720
I thought I read somewhere that blue hair was important
2445
02:11:03.920 --> 02:11:07.159
to that family in Crono Trigger, but that might have
2446
02:11:07.239 --> 02:11:09.279
just been a fan theory or like a coincidence thing.
2447
02:11:10.279 --> 02:11:10.920
I think it was.
2448
02:11:11.119 --> 02:11:13.880
Yeah, I think it was just a I think there
2449
02:11:13.960 --> 02:11:16.520
was a fan theory or a coincidence. I think the
2450
02:11:16.560 --> 02:11:19.279
reason they changed her hair color was that she would
2451
02:11:19.279 --> 02:11:23.319
match the kid design. And I guess if kids showed
2452
02:11:23.359 --> 02:11:25.119
up with blue hair then people then that might have
2453
02:11:25.399 --> 02:11:27.000
given away a little bit too much too early.
2454
02:11:27.039 --> 02:11:29.279
Maybe Oh yeah.
2455
02:11:28.640 --> 02:11:30.199
But yeah, that's it. And I think the reason that
2456
02:11:30.239 --> 02:11:30.920
you thought maybe.
2457
02:11:30.800 --> 02:11:32.439
It was the same the same bosses.
2458
02:11:32.680 --> 02:11:36.000
I think this thing's also called the Time Devour it is, yeah,
2459
02:11:36.039 --> 02:11:38.359
but in this case it is fully fused with lavos.
2460
02:11:38.399 --> 02:11:41.119
And I don't know if the Dragon God has anything
2461
02:11:41.159 --> 02:11:43.119
to do with this one or if it's just alternate
2462
02:11:43.199 --> 02:11:44.560
version of it, But you're right, it is a lava
2463
02:11:44.640 --> 02:11:48.479
spawn with with her sort of embedded into it. And
2464
02:11:48.520 --> 02:11:50.600
as we as we will come to understand, or as
2465
02:11:50.600 --> 02:11:54.920
we already understand, when she fell into that portal in
2466
02:11:55.880 --> 02:11:58.840
Coronel Trigger, she fell into this this darkness beyond time
2467
02:11:59.399 --> 02:12:03.880
and then became fused with this thing that thus creating everything.
2468
02:12:04.560 --> 02:12:06.159
And now there are two ways you can go about this.
2469
02:12:06.920 --> 02:12:09.760
So the ending that I reckon most folks will get
2470
02:12:09.760 --> 02:12:12.359
without a guide, and probably most folks back then Got
2471
02:12:12.359 --> 02:12:15.720
Too is the typical final boss way. You know, you
2472
02:12:16.560 --> 02:12:19.359
fight it and you win. And I'm not one hundred
2473
02:12:19.359 --> 02:12:22.840
percent sure I'm clear on this, Chris, so please correct
2474
02:12:22.880 --> 02:12:25.960
me if I'm wrong. But when you fight it and
2475
02:12:26.039 --> 02:12:28.840
if you beat it, it's sort of you know, it
2476
02:12:30.119 --> 02:12:34.039
phases out of existence, you know, it disappears, you kill it,
2477
02:12:34.640 --> 02:12:37.720
and then the game ends. It's credits. I admit I
2478
02:12:37.720 --> 02:12:39.399
didn't get this one. I played through on PS one.
2479
02:12:39.439 --> 02:12:41.359
I got the good ending. I watched this on YouTube
2480
02:12:41.359 --> 02:12:43.960
and a compilation, so they might have cut out a
2481
02:12:44.079 --> 02:12:47.239
post credits scene, but I don't remember seeing one. So
2482
02:12:47.359 --> 02:12:51.079
I took that to mean you just ended everything. You
2483
02:12:51.479 --> 02:12:57.439
destroyed the timeline the universe. Is that? Oh? Is it? Okay?
2484
02:12:57.680 --> 02:13:01.000
Yeah? Read it is that? Like you did not free
2485
02:13:01.640 --> 02:13:05.800
Shala from Lavos or the time devour, and thus time
2486
02:13:05.920 --> 02:13:08.359
was devoured, and now we are just in the infinite
2487
02:13:08.399 --> 02:13:11.399
darkness and there is nothing. There is no ending to
2488
02:13:11.399 --> 02:13:13.359
show because there is no ending that exists.
2489
02:13:13.800 --> 02:13:16.800
Okay, all right, the game it's making me doubt myself
2490
02:13:16.840 --> 02:13:19.079
a lot because I don't feel like I understand half
2491
02:13:19.119 --> 02:13:23.840
of it. Sometimes, Okay, cool, So that's thematically, that's appropriate.
2492
02:13:24.239 --> 02:13:29.079
Narratively that's appropriate. You were given hints that fighting is
2493
02:13:29.119 --> 02:13:32.239
not the way to go. So the way to get
2494
02:13:32.239 --> 02:13:34.760
the good ending, the quote unquote good ending, is you
2495
02:13:34.840 --> 02:13:38.600
have to use the chronocross after you use the other
2496
02:13:38.680 --> 02:13:46.279
six elements in a specific order, that order being yellow, red, green, blue, black, white,
2497
02:13:46.880 --> 02:13:51.960
and then chronocross. Obviously, the problem is the time devour.
2498
02:13:52.119 --> 02:13:55.600
Can you use attacks too. What I found though, and
2499
02:13:55.640 --> 02:13:57.600
this was through trial and error because I did the
2500
02:13:57.760 --> 02:14:01.479
order wrong the first time, it will always use the
2501
02:14:01.600 --> 02:14:06.119
opposite color of what is next in the cycle. And
2502
02:14:06.119 --> 02:14:08.119
I think I read somewhere online. I didn't test this,
2503
02:14:08.159 --> 02:14:09.760
but I think I read somewhere online that if you
2504
02:14:09.840 --> 02:14:12.880
do fight it till it gets weaker, it'll start using
2505
02:14:13.079 --> 02:14:16.760
the right color in the cycle, which is interpreted as
2506
02:14:16.920 --> 02:14:22.000
shala like her will becoming dominant, like forcing, like trying
2507
02:14:22.000 --> 02:14:25.600
to help you, which I think is pretty damn cool.
2508
02:14:26.319 --> 02:14:28.000
But you have to do it in that order. I
2509
02:14:28.039 --> 02:14:31.000
spent forever just defending waiting for it to use yellow,
2510
02:14:31.079 --> 02:14:33.920
and it just kept using green, and I was like, oh, okay,
2511
02:14:34.079 --> 02:14:36.560
it's using the opposite, and then I trial an error.
2512
02:14:36.960 --> 02:14:39.960
It used black whenever it was supposed to be white.
2513
02:14:40.239 --> 02:14:42.279
So you can as long as you have the stamina
2514
02:14:42.399 --> 02:14:45.079
and the elements built up. You're using just level ones
2515
02:14:45.119 --> 02:14:47.359
and twos. You can do this like all in a row.
2516
02:14:48.000 --> 02:14:52.239
If you end on white and chronocross is next, it
2517
02:14:52.319 --> 02:14:55.720
won't attack because there is no opposite to cronocross, so
2518
02:14:55.760 --> 02:14:58.039
you get another free turn. Then you use it. The
2519
02:14:58.079 --> 02:15:03.279
battle ends, Shala is freed in a very like uh
2520
02:15:03.359 --> 02:15:05.239
I don't want to say dramatic, that's not the right word,
2521
02:15:06.039 --> 02:15:09.159
but it is also it is the right word.
2522
02:15:31.760 --> 02:15:36.640
It is like a crescendo of like magical space time bullshit,
2523
02:15:36.760 --> 02:15:39.279
and then like the melody of the Crono Cross.
2524
02:15:39.399 --> 02:15:42.800
Yes, the melody of the Chrono Cross. I am ninety
2525
02:15:42.800 --> 02:15:46.119
five percent certain that it is either a direct quote
2526
02:15:46.279 --> 02:15:50.600
or a very close reference to a Chrono trigger tune.
2527
02:15:51.079 --> 02:15:53.920
And I don't know which one, but I'm so certain
2528
02:15:53.960 --> 02:15:55.760
it is. I know I've heard it.
2529
02:15:56.479 --> 02:16:00.720
Now, how many how many knights have you woken up
2530
02:16:00.720 --> 02:16:04.000
in the middle of the night and just wonder like, Okay,
2531
02:16:04.600 --> 02:16:06.960
I know how I know how to make the chronal
2532
02:16:07.039 --> 02:16:10.199
cross work. But why does the chronal cross work? Like,
2533
02:16:10.319 --> 02:16:12.600
why is it that the chronal cross is able to
2534
02:16:12.640 --> 02:16:16.119
pull her out of lavos? Like from a lore perspective,
2535
02:16:16.600 --> 02:16:18.399
because this is something I've always grappled with.
2536
02:16:19.640 --> 02:16:21.840
Well tonight, I guess this can be the first time.
2537
02:16:22.880 --> 02:16:25.720
I yeah, I don't know. I mean, what did Stina say.
2538
02:16:25.720 --> 02:16:29.079
Stina said it was the dragon teer. I said, I
2539
02:16:29.119 --> 02:16:31.800
didn't understand that, So I don't know.
2540
02:16:32.360 --> 02:16:35.719
It does contain all that it does contain, Like I
2541
02:16:35.760 --> 02:16:37.200
don't know if it contained the right word, but it
2542
02:16:37.200 --> 02:16:41.520
does like interact with all six of the of the elements,
2543
02:16:41.959 --> 02:16:44.200
and the elements were created by Fate as part of
2544
02:16:44.239 --> 02:16:49.159
its protocols to like control society and preserve the timeline,
2545
02:16:49.360 --> 02:16:50.600
so it had to make sure.
2546
02:16:50.440 --> 02:16:54.399
That no one could leave the island. But how do that?
2547
02:16:54.440 --> 02:16:57.680
How that like is able to change.
2548
02:16:57.399 --> 02:17:00.639
The structure of of reality or what ever it's doing
2549
02:17:01.479 --> 02:17:04.399
has always been a mystery to me because it's the
2550
02:17:04.440 --> 02:17:08.479
same as the Chrono trigger. From Chrono Trigger, it was
2551
02:17:08.559 --> 02:17:11.079
just a fucking egg that some guy gave you. How
2552
02:17:11.120 --> 02:17:11.559
does it work?
2553
02:17:11.600 --> 02:17:15.639
I don't know, you need a replica dummy doll? Yeah,
2554
02:17:15.760 --> 02:17:17.120
whoever you're bringing back to life.
2555
02:17:17.479 --> 02:17:19.079
That was all very weird, but we accept it. And
2556
02:17:19.120 --> 02:17:22.879
I think of the as much as Corona Cross the
2557
02:17:22.920 --> 02:17:26.440
game tries to explain itself. I don't know if this
2558
02:17:26.559 --> 02:17:30.120
is explainable other than the fact that like this thing
2559
02:17:30.239 --> 02:17:34.559
is somehow intertwined with the elements. Yeah, and that create
2560
02:17:34.639 --> 02:17:37.120
and that's able to create this harmony that you know,
2561
02:17:37.440 --> 02:17:39.479
brings the timelines back together and frees her.
2562
02:17:40.159 --> 02:17:43.040
And I think harmony is maybe an operative word in there.
2563
02:17:43.280 --> 02:17:47.159
They're dealing with those dualities a lot throughout here, nature
2564
02:17:47.239 --> 02:17:49.680
versus man, the tear of love and the tear of hate,
2565
02:17:49.719 --> 02:17:54.200
making the Chrono Cross, bringing the six Dragon gods into harmony,
2566
02:17:55.079 --> 02:17:59.479
and not choosing violence against the violent force. All of
2567
02:17:59.479 --> 02:18:03.120
it kind of playing into the ending theme of like
2568
02:18:03.239 --> 02:18:08.399
Shala's final little speech that is sort of kind of
2569
02:18:08.440 --> 02:18:13.159
both acceptance and also free will. I guess, for lack
2570
02:18:13.200 --> 02:18:15.680
of a better term, you could probably read this faster
2571
02:18:15.760 --> 02:18:18.760
than I could speak it, or are already familiar I
2572
02:18:18.799 --> 02:18:21.600
could read it. I was just trying to save time.
2573
02:18:21.680 --> 02:18:23.040
You're welcome to read it if I want to.
2574
02:18:23.120 --> 02:18:25.680
Yeah, I'll read it. I'll give you a break here. Okay,
2575
02:18:25.680 --> 02:18:29.440
Shala's ending speech. And this is just like text over
2576
02:18:30.120 --> 02:18:31.239
a black background, isn't it?
2577
02:18:31.280 --> 02:18:33.079
For the most part, it.
2578
02:18:33.000 --> 02:18:35.680
Is over the back over a background of the world
2579
02:18:36.079 --> 02:18:38.440
playing That's while a song that I can't remember the
2580
02:18:38.479 --> 02:18:42.399
name of, but it is very much a you have
2581
02:18:42.440 --> 02:18:45.639
made the right decision. We are rejoining harmony to the
2582
02:18:45.680 --> 02:18:48.479
world kind of ending theme. It's not it's not gallant
2583
02:18:48.520 --> 02:18:51.239
and triumphant. It is it is reverent.
2584
02:18:51.000 --> 02:18:55.040
And peaceful, she says. I have been waiting an eternity
2585
02:18:55.120 --> 02:18:59.360
just for this very moment, meaninglessly hurting one another. The
2586
02:18:59.440 --> 02:19:03.959
disappearing life forms, the words that become deleted, the thoughts
2587
02:19:04.000 --> 02:19:07.799
that become buried, the pool of cells that slowly evaporate,
2588
02:19:08.360 --> 02:19:11.680
the echoes of consciousness that slowly fade. Love to hate,
2589
02:19:12.000 --> 02:19:12.639
hate to love?
2590
02:19:12.959 --> 02:19:15.079
Why are we born? Why do we die?
2591
02:19:15.440 --> 02:19:17.680
Evolution the survival of the fittest.
2592
02:19:18.200 --> 02:19:20.520
What is there to be achieved from harming one another?
2593
02:19:20.959 --> 02:19:21.760
Killing one another?
2594
02:19:22.239 --> 02:19:26.799
The eggs that we all call planets, And the innumerable spermazoa,
2595
02:19:26.959 --> 02:19:32.559
so you say it, spermatozoa close spur tomato which gather
2596
02:19:32.680 --> 02:19:34.000
around these that.
2597
02:19:34.000 --> 02:19:35.239
We call life forms.
2598
02:19:35.600 --> 02:19:39.040
When one of those countless seeds in seminates a planet,
2599
02:19:39.200 --> 02:19:40.760
I did not expect my japid you just say in
2600
02:19:40.760 --> 02:19:43.479
the semin eight, But it did. A new universe is born.
2601
02:19:43.879 --> 02:19:47.159
But until that occurs, hundreds of millions of years will pass,
2602
02:19:47.200 --> 02:19:50.559
and innumerable life forms will be born then die. That
2603
02:19:50.680 --> 02:19:54.000
is the be all and end all. Everything exists for
2604
02:19:54.079 --> 02:19:57.159
that one moment. Also that the universe can evolve into
2605
02:19:57.159 --> 02:19:59.920
the next dimension. Does that make us all just pawns.
2606
02:20:00.719 --> 02:20:03.360
Are each of our short lives nothing but a cheap
2607
02:20:03.399 --> 02:20:06.879
sacrifice just so the one chosen life.
2608
02:20:06.719 --> 02:20:10.040
Form can be born? No, that is not the case.
2609
02:20:10.440 --> 02:20:13.000
Each and every one of us has a chance of
2610
02:20:13.040 --> 02:20:17.760
becoming that one chosen life form which insiminates a planet. Yes,
2611
02:20:18.239 --> 02:20:21.520
it could be you, genes and environment. Each of us
2612
02:20:21.559 --> 02:20:24.239
tries to do his best under limited conditions which we
2613
02:20:24.280 --> 02:20:26.959
are all dealt. Each life form that attempts to eke
2614
02:20:27.040 --> 02:20:29.719
out a decent life for itself forms a link in
2615
02:20:29.760 --> 02:20:32.879
the golden chain that leads to the creation of a
2616
02:20:32.959 --> 02:20:35.959
new universe. If one link is missing, there will be
2617
02:20:36.000 --> 02:20:39.000
no future. There is no such thing as a useless
2618
02:20:39.040 --> 02:20:42.399
life form, no such thing as upawn. Every single thing
2619
02:20:42.760 --> 02:20:46.760
in the whole of nature is perhaps just dreaming of life.
2620
02:20:46.799 --> 02:20:50.600
All of them are also perhaps nothing more than a
2621
02:20:50.680 --> 02:20:54.360
dream dreamt by a planet before it is born. Oh
2622
02:20:54.959 --> 02:20:58.600
but yes, eventually all dreams will return to zervon the
2623
02:20:58.680 --> 02:21:02.920
Sea of Dreams. Surge, don't go yet, Surge. It's all right,
2624
02:21:03.520 --> 02:21:06.360
Everything is all right now, time, which has been divided,
2625
02:21:06.479 --> 02:21:09.479
will be unified again. Now time for farewells has come.
2626
02:21:10.200 --> 02:21:12.280
You will lose all memory of this whole adventure in
2627
02:21:12.319 --> 02:21:15.079
return to your own time, but this time you will
2628
02:21:15.079 --> 02:21:18.360
be able to live your own life. That's some shit.
2629
02:21:19.239 --> 02:21:22.440
Yeah, this is what I sort of referred to at
2630
02:21:22.440 --> 02:21:25.440
the beginning. I think. I do think it's a bit reductive,
2631
02:21:25.440 --> 02:21:28.239
but I don't think it is unwarranted to look at
2632
02:21:28.239 --> 02:21:32.000
this and say that somebody started with this and said
2633
02:21:32.000 --> 02:21:34.000
this is what I believe, let's put it into a
2634
02:21:34.079 --> 02:21:34.600
video game.
2635
02:21:35.399 --> 02:21:38.079
I totally agree with you. I feel like that's kind
2636
02:21:38.079 --> 02:21:42.639
of that's Kado's MO, and he's not really been involved
2637
02:21:42.639 --> 02:21:45.079
in a ton of games that I've played where he's
2638
02:21:45.120 --> 02:21:45.879
been in charge.
2639
02:21:45.920 --> 02:21:47.799
But like when I did tinker around.
2640
02:21:47.559 --> 02:21:48.920
I think I mentioned this before. When I take it
2641
02:21:48.959 --> 02:21:53.239
around with another eden like this kind of writing is
2642
02:21:53.239 --> 02:21:57.559
all over it. Oh really, Yeah, this kind of wistful
2643
02:21:58.319 --> 02:22:00.239
style I think is all all.
2644
02:22:00.319 --> 02:22:03.799
That game yeah, and again, I mean different people are
2645
02:22:03.799 --> 02:22:05.840
going to have different tolerances for this sort of thing,
2646
02:22:06.399 --> 02:22:08.959
and even you know, your tolerance might very if you're
2647
02:22:09.239 --> 02:22:11.920
just kind of fed up with this world too. I
2648
02:22:12.360 --> 02:22:15.399
became very invested in it, playing like triggering this right
2649
02:22:15.440 --> 02:22:19.360
back to back. Also, I mean not doing any small
2650
02:22:19.399 --> 02:22:23.319
part to playing this through twice. I mean straight up
2651
02:22:23.360 --> 02:22:25.360
that I think had I only played through it once,
2652
02:22:25.360 --> 02:22:26.920
I would have been a little more fed up than
2653
02:22:26.959 --> 02:22:29.799
I ended up being, rather than having some time to
2654
02:22:29.840 --> 02:22:35.920
think on it the ending excluded. I think, you know, folks,
2655
02:22:36.200 --> 02:22:37.799
I mean a lot of folks will say that this
2656
02:22:37.920 --> 02:22:40.799
undoes Chrono Trigger, and they mean a variety of different
2657
02:22:40.799 --> 02:22:43.159
things on that I'm trying to think. I don't want
2658
02:22:43.200 --> 02:22:46.479
to call the person out on, you know, on air,
2659
02:22:46.520 --> 02:22:51.479
but somebody quote tweeted the first thing that I posted
2660
02:22:51.479 --> 02:22:56.760
about Chronocross episode one and said like, oh, yeah, you know,
2661
02:22:56.799 --> 02:23:00.319
we love being told that we're dumb for believing what
2662
02:23:00.360 --> 02:23:02.159
happened in Crono Trigger. And I didn't know what they
2663
02:23:02.239 --> 02:23:05.440
meant at the time, but I don't know. I get
2664
02:23:05.479 --> 02:23:07.959
through this ending and whether or not you think they
2665
02:23:08.040 --> 02:23:09.840
said it as well as they could have a side,
2666
02:23:10.200 --> 02:23:12.719
I think that this is saying the exact opposite. I mean,
2667
02:23:12.959 --> 02:23:15.120
to me, what I'm taking from what they're saying here,
2668
02:23:16.040 --> 02:23:18.760
And I guess we should also say there's a little
2669
02:23:18.799 --> 02:23:22.280
like epilogue with the book. There's like a book cut
2670
02:23:22.319 --> 02:23:25.319
scene if you let the title screen sit like that
2671
02:23:25.399 --> 02:23:27.840
kind of thing. When the game boots up rather and
2672
02:23:27.879 --> 02:23:32.639
it's kid Shala kid Zeal. That's how she signs off,
2673
02:23:33.639 --> 02:23:36.000
essentially saying goodbye to Surge, and she says something to
2674
02:23:36.040 --> 02:23:39.639
the effect of we'll meet again. I might not know
2675
02:23:39.680 --> 02:23:41.959
it's me and you might not know you're you, but
2676
02:23:42.079 --> 02:23:44.520
in another life will meet again. And all of this together,
2677
02:23:45.200 --> 02:23:49.959
this to me seems to suggest that the theme that
2678
02:23:50.079 --> 02:23:52.559
Kato and his team were trying to get across is
2679
02:23:52.600 --> 02:23:58.879
that fate. If you consider fate from a universal like
2680
02:23:58.920 --> 02:24:03.159
a universe y time wide spanning view, like from antiquity
2681
02:24:03.200 --> 02:24:05.600
to today to the future until the heat death of
2682
02:24:05.600 --> 02:24:11.280
the universe, it can seem overwhelming and impossible and you
2683
02:24:11.319 --> 02:24:14.440
can't change that. You can't change that level of fate,
2684
02:24:15.360 --> 02:24:17.959
and that leads to the sort of nihilistic tendencies like
2685
02:24:18.000 --> 02:24:21.520
this game was suggesting throughout its duration of you know,
2686
02:24:21.559 --> 02:24:24.360
we can't change fate. Just let fate control us. It's
2687
02:24:24.399 --> 02:24:27.959
all you know, why bother Miguel went into that whole
2688
02:24:28.000 --> 02:24:31.399
Miguelancholi over this exact thing. Why not be in a
2689
02:24:31.440 --> 02:24:34.079
timeline that's frozen. You never have to worry about that again.
2690
02:24:34.159 --> 02:24:36.879
You can just stay in this one exact moment, just peaceful.
2691
02:24:37.079 --> 02:24:40.000
But the problem is is that that takes you away
2692
02:24:40.360 --> 02:24:44.280
from your lived experience, from your life. And it seems
2693
02:24:44.319 --> 02:24:46.719
to me that Kanto and his team are suggesting that
2694
02:24:46.719 --> 02:24:49.319
that is the fate that you can change. It's that
2695
02:24:49.440 --> 02:24:52.959
trite thing, you know, the friends that we made along
2696
02:24:52.959 --> 02:24:55.840
the way, that's the important part. And it's trite and
2697
02:24:55.840 --> 02:24:58.440
it's cliche, but it doesn't make it less true. I
2698
02:24:58.440 --> 02:25:01.559
think they're saying, yeah, you, you will slip into nihilism
2699
02:25:01.959 --> 02:25:05.680
if you ponder about how you can't change the universe
2700
02:25:05.760 --> 02:25:10.280
at large, but your fate, your life, you can change,
2701
02:25:10.319 --> 02:25:13.879
and that will affect so much beyond you that it
2702
02:25:13.959 --> 02:25:16.840
is worth taking control over. And I don't think that
2703
02:25:16.959 --> 02:25:19.799
undoes chrono Trigger at all. I think it strengthens it.
2704
02:25:20.120 --> 02:25:23.479
I think it examines the opposition of Chrono Trigger saying
2705
02:25:23.559 --> 02:25:26.559
what if you can't, and then the counter to that
2706
02:25:26.559 --> 02:25:31.200
that Kato lands on is you can't. But that's okay
2707
02:25:31.559 --> 02:25:37.000
because in the ways that matter, you can and end soapbox.
2708
02:25:37.879 --> 02:25:41.040
No, I love the way you said that. I think
2709
02:25:41.079 --> 02:25:45.239
that you're You're right one hundred percent. And I think
2710
02:25:45.520 --> 02:25:50.799
Chrono Cross presents that sort of nihilistic viewpoint through the
2711
02:25:50.799 --> 02:25:54.120
majority of its text, especially up through the Miguel part
2712
02:25:54.200 --> 02:25:56.879
and maybe even further because we're still dealing with all
2713
02:25:56.920 --> 02:25:59.959
these like date based systems up until the very very
2714
02:26:00.120 --> 02:26:03.559
end of the game. You have to you have to
2715
02:26:03.639 --> 02:26:06.639
figure out how to use the goddamn Chrono Cross in
2716
02:26:06.719 --> 02:26:09.239
order to complete the thought exercise that Kato is trying
2717
02:26:09.239 --> 02:26:11.719
to take us on, and that is can be a
2718
02:26:11.760 --> 02:26:15.000
little bit I don't know, frustrating in how that was designed.
2719
02:26:15.239 --> 02:26:16.879
But if you put in the work, or you look
2720
02:26:16.920 --> 02:26:19.239
up these solutions on the internet, just like in real life.
2721
02:26:19.719 --> 02:26:22.479
Then you you can complete the.
2722
02:26:23.280 --> 02:26:25.559
Thought exercise as I just called it a second ago,
2723
02:26:25.959 --> 02:26:31.959
and and maybe maybe dwell with Coddo on these concepts
2724
02:26:32.159 --> 02:26:37.799
and then sort of dwell with him on on this
2725
02:26:37.799 --> 02:26:40.280
this particular worldview. And I think they if you get
2726
02:26:40.280 --> 02:26:41.920
that far, if you do the work, if you put
2727
02:26:41.959 --> 02:26:47.200
the thought into it, then this game can can adequately,
2728
02:26:47.239 --> 02:26:50.319
adequately be like, you know, a bit of a deconstruction
2729
02:26:50.360 --> 02:26:53.920
of Chrono trigger and a bit of a pushback on
2730
02:26:54.079 --> 02:26:56.280
the hopefulness. But then you can kind of get back
2731
02:26:56.280 --> 02:26:56.959
to where.
2732
02:26:57.360 --> 02:26:58.000
Yeah, I might.
2733
02:26:58.040 --> 02:27:01.600
I may not be part of this this I'm not
2734
02:27:01.639 --> 02:27:04.719
the main character of the universe, but I can. I
2735
02:27:04.760 --> 02:27:08.719
can't have an impact in how I approach my life
2736
02:27:08.920 --> 02:27:11.040
and approach others in it. And I think that's what
2737
02:27:11.079 --> 02:27:12.000
he's getting at.
2738
02:27:12.280 --> 02:27:14.799
Yeah, if you want to keep up with the like,
2739
02:27:15.159 --> 02:27:16.799
I think I think you and I both mentioned this.
2740
02:27:16.920 --> 02:27:20.000
I think Eric mentioned it. I think no, the game
2741
02:27:20.040 --> 02:27:25.000
definitely didn't the idea of determinism, like that idea that
2742
02:27:25.040 --> 02:27:27.799
fate controls everything. I mean, the game does it, but
2743
02:27:27.840 --> 02:27:30.399
they don't say that word. But you and I have
2744
02:27:30.559 --> 02:27:32.559
and I think Eric has too. If you want to
2745
02:27:32.639 --> 02:27:34.680
keep on that, this game is suggesting something like a
2746
02:27:34.680 --> 02:27:40.559
sort of compatibilism, which is believing that you well, it's
2747
02:27:40.639 --> 02:27:43.920
essentially this, I'm believing that you can't that you can't
2748
02:27:43.959 --> 02:27:46.360
change fate, but you can. You have free will in
2749
02:27:46.399 --> 02:27:48.719
all the ways that matter, whether or not you put
2750
02:27:48.719 --> 02:27:50.520
on a pair of shoes A or B, whether or
2751
02:27:50.600 --> 02:27:55.600
not you know, you marry person a or c that
2752
02:27:55.680 --> 02:28:00.360
kind of thing. And I think too, like this game
2753
02:28:00.479 --> 02:28:03.840
necessarily do it in a way, explain all of this
2754
02:28:03.879 --> 02:28:05.520
in a way and lay it out in a way
2755
02:28:05.520 --> 02:28:11.200
that's coherent and in a way that is good writing
2756
02:28:11.360 --> 02:28:14.959
a technique a lot of the times know. But I
2757
02:28:15.000 --> 02:28:18.040
do think it's admirable that they stuck to their guns
2758
02:28:18.879 --> 02:28:21.680
and didn't compromise on anything and turn out something that
2759
02:28:21.719 --> 02:28:26.120
was fundamentally against what their messaging was. The result, don't
2760
02:28:26.159 --> 02:28:30.479
get me wrong. The result is lopsided and lumpy, but
2761
02:28:30.680 --> 02:28:34.920
there's I think there's something admirable there. Oh, speaking of Admiral,
2762
02:28:35.120 --> 02:28:37.120
I want to call this out too. There's some ending
2763
02:28:37.200 --> 02:28:40.760
little scenes. You get a scene of Kid as Shala
2764
02:28:40.879 --> 02:28:45.040
on the beach looking on sort of a nod to
2765
02:28:45.280 --> 02:28:48.639
the idea that life is going to continue. You also
2766
02:28:48.799 --> 02:28:52.680
get this is so cool that they did this. In
2767
02:28:52.719 --> 02:28:57.000
the credits, there is like a thirty second scene of
2768
02:28:57.000 --> 02:29:00.479
like real life people, like a Japanese street, and I
2769
02:29:00.479 --> 02:29:02.399
can't remember if it's black and white or if it's
2770
02:29:02.479 --> 02:29:05.200
just very muted. For some reason, I'm imagining the person
2771
02:29:05.239 --> 02:29:06.879
with blonde hair, but I might just be thinking of
2772
02:29:06.959 --> 02:29:10.159
Kid and their back is to the camera, and it's
2773
02:29:10.200 --> 02:29:13.440
sort of suggesting like this isn't just an ideology in
2774
02:29:13.479 --> 02:29:16.520
a video game, Like we're talking about real life here.
2775
02:29:16.959 --> 02:29:19.319
That's like, this stuff matters. It's not just about like
2776
02:29:19.479 --> 02:29:21.840
you know, the game ends with Lena with Surge waking
2777
02:29:21.920 --> 02:29:24.559
up on the beach and Lina does the whole cliche
2778
02:29:24.600 --> 02:29:29.079
like what Tara Tower, frozen flame, what are you talking about?
2779
02:29:29.120 --> 02:29:31.840
You just passed out getting the Komodos scales. Our summer
2780
02:29:32.040 --> 02:29:35.959
is just starting, which as a kid would have rocked
2781
02:29:36.000 --> 02:29:38.120
my fucking world to see that in the video game.
2782
02:29:39.440 --> 02:29:42.799
But they're putting that real life scene at the very
2783
02:29:42.920 --> 02:29:44.600
end in sort of a way to say like no,
2784
02:29:44.639 --> 02:29:47.799
this Like yeah, it seems very video gaming, but this
2785
02:29:47.920 --> 02:29:51.280
is like, this is life. You can't fall into that nihilism.
2786
02:29:51.719 --> 02:29:55.760
That's death. You have to take control of your life. Otherwise,
2787
02:29:56.040 --> 02:29:59.200
you know, we are going to hurt people, We're gonna
2788
02:29:59.239 --> 02:30:04.440
colonialize people, kill the earth. All the things that Uamatsu
2789
02:30:04.440 --> 02:30:07.079
and Soaka Gucci liked Umatsu, all the things that Soka
2790
02:30:07.079 --> 02:30:09.879
Gucci likes to talk about too. I don't know that's
2791
02:30:09.879 --> 02:30:12.120
how it That's how it rang to me. They take
2792
02:30:12.280 --> 02:30:17.200
so many goddamn risks that at some point you're just thinking, like,
2793
02:30:17.760 --> 02:30:19.959
you shouldn't have done that. Man, you tried so many
2794
02:30:20.000 --> 02:30:23.799
other things, but at the end, it's like you did
2795
02:30:23.840 --> 02:30:26.639
exactly what you wanted to do. I respect it.
2796
02:30:27.520 --> 02:30:31.680
Yeah, it makes me sort of yearn for the days
2797
02:30:31.760 --> 02:30:34.239
of of of risk taking in games like this. I
2798
02:30:34.239 --> 02:30:35.840
know there are a lot of games that take risks
2799
02:30:35.959 --> 02:30:40.200
still today, but coming out of like the Square Inex Corporation,
2800
02:30:40.399 --> 02:30:43.559
that's not really going to happen as cleanly as it
2801
02:30:44.120 --> 02:30:48.520
as it did, particularly in this era with this Tenal
2802
02:30:48.600 --> 02:30:51.760
Gears and several other games, I just felt like they
2803
02:30:51.760 --> 02:30:56.200
were going in directions that were or that were more experimental,
2804
02:30:56.600 --> 02:31:00.000
and maybe it didn't land cleanly, But I think that's
2805
02:31:00.040 --> 02:31:03.719
why we can appreciate them so much more today than
2806
02:31:04.280 --> 02:31:05.280
maybe we could at the time.
2807
02:31:06.120 --> 02:31:08.399
Yeah. Yeah, when folks talk about the golden age of
2808
02:31:08.440 --> 02:31:11.239
JRPGs sort of being around this time, like Chrono trigger
2809
02:31:11.799 --> 02:31:14.159
FF somewhere between f F four and six all the
2810
02:31:14.200 --> 02:31:18.200
way up to what do you call it ten, I
2811
02:31:18.239 --> 02:31:20.319
think that's a big part of it, Like they're taking
2812
02:31:20.360 --> 02:31:23.879
these risks in these games, and yeah, you know, the
2813
02:31:23.959 --> 02:31:26.440
big risks that really pay off, like f F seven
2814
02:31:27.319 --> 02:31:31.040
that also coincide with the technology that's big, and they
2815
02:31:31.079 --> 02:31:33.920
get remembered. But I don't know. Chrono Cross I think
2816
02:31:33.959 --> 02:31:36.559
deserves a seat at that table. I was gonna say,
2817
02:31:36.600 --> 02:31:38.879
if for no other reason than sort of a cautionary tale,
2818
02:31:38.879 --> 02:31:41.200
but that's I don't want to be that derisive towards it.
2819
02:31:41.360 --> 02:31:43.719
I think it's successful in what it tries to do.
2820
02:31:44.319 --> 02:31:51.440
I don't necessarily think it's successful in implementing it. But yeah,
2821
02:31:51.479 --> 02:31:54.120
I don't know. I think I don't want to keep
2822
02:31:54.120 --> 02:31:56.719
going on as a deconstruction of Chrono Trigger as an
2823
02:31:56.760 --> 02:32:00.879
observation of the themes. I really like it, though I
2824
02:32:00.920 --> 02:32:04.319
can acknowledge that it is a it's a mess. I
2825
02:32:04.360 --> 02:32:05.200
think it's great though.
2826
02:32:05.840 --> 02:32:06.920
Gotta love a good mess.
2827
02:32:07.440 --> 02:32:34.000
Bless this mess yep Man, that was a lot. I'm
2828
02:32:34.040 --> 02:32:38.079
sure we missed more than a handful of things. But
2829
02:32:38.559 --> 02:32:41.440
you know, like we've both said, I think this sort
2830
02:32:41.479 --> 02:32:45.040
of lives on in the conversations like any good story
2831
02:32:45.159 --> 02:32:49.000
or symphony or whatever play. It lives in the conversations.
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02:32:49.040 --> 02:32:51.879
That's how it keeps it alive. That's how these conversations matter.
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02:32:52.920 --> 02:32:56.000
So to that end, if you want to, you can
2834
02:32:56.040 --> 02:32:58.360
always talk to us about this sort of thing at
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02:32:58.360 --> 02:33:02.920
the very least in the PPR discord, or you can
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02:33:02.959 --> 02:33:06.120
at me on Blue Sky. I don't want to. I
2837
02:33:06.120 --> 02:33:09.280
don't want to suggest out adding Chris. You then might
2838
02:33:09.319 --> 02:33:12.959
get Eric and be forced to talk about retro to
2839
02:33:13.000 --> 02:33:16.239
Sega Dreamcast games. And can you imagine a worse fate?
2840
02:33:16.559 --> 02:33:22.399
I can't not. I just kidding Eric, But now, seriously,
2841
02:33:22.440 --> 02:33:25.120
I would love to keep this conversation going. I know,
2842
02:33:25.520 --> 02:33:29.239
I know I messed a lot of stuff personally, but
2843
02:33:30.239 --> 02:33:33.159
at any rate, I don't think that conversation could keep
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02:33:33.159 --> 02:33:35.360
going without this taking place. And I don't think I
2845
02:33:35.399 --> 02:33:38.000
could have asked a better fella to talk to you
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02:33:38.040 --> 02:33:41.520
about it. Thank you, Thank you, Chris. This was Thank
2847
02:33:41.559 --> 02:33:44.680
you for so much of your time. This was so fun.
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02:33:45.360 --> 02:33:46.879
Yeah, thank you so much for having me on.
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02:33:47.159 --> 02:33:50.840
As I mentioned in one of the previous episodes, I
2850
02:33:50.959 --> 02:33:53.479
for some reason, this game has been has been bubbling
2851
02:33:53.520 --> 02:33:55.840
back up in my in my psyche for the past
2852
02:33:55.879 --> 02:34:00.040
few few months, or maybe even for a year, and
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02:34:00.120 --> 02:34:02.200
I'm glad to be able to get all this back out.
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02:34:02.520 --> 02:34:07.159
And you know, as we learned, even though six years
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02:34:07.200 --> 02:34:09.239
ago I said that I'd never wanted to talk about
2856
02:34:09.280 --> 02:34:14.159
Miguel again, I do appreciate the opportunity to talk about
2857
02:34:14.319 --> 02:34:18.440
Miguel with you, because you know, my fate was not
2858
02:34:18.520 --> 02:34:21.040
predetermined to never talk about Miguel again. I will talk
2859
02:34:21.079 --> 02:34:25.360
about Miguel once again. Maybe not in the next year,
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02:34:25.440 --> 02:34:28.639
but once again I will discuss Miguel, and I appreciate
2861
02:34:28.680 --> 02:34:29.600
the opportunity to do so.
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02:34:29.719 --> 02:34:30.000
Thank you.
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02:34:30.600 --> 02:34:32.639
There's a small part of me that was like, is
2864
02:34:32.719 --> 02:34:34.559
Chris kinna think this is a little mean to like
2865
02:34:34.639 --> 02:34:36.319
call him out like this? And I was like, it's
2866
02:34:36.360 --> 02:34:41.319
not money, not too I love it so incredible. This
2867
02:34:41.479 --> 02:34:44.920
was great Top five PS one JRPG for me. Mess
2868
02:34:44.959 --> 02:34:49.360
and all. It is messy, but I love it. Thank
2869
02:34:49.399 --> 02:34:52.399
you again, Chris, Chris, you talked. We both mentioned a
2870
02:34:52.440 --> 02:34:56.840
little something something. We mentioned Mega Man. We mentioned Mega Man,
2871
02:34:56.920 --> 02:35:00.120
We mentioned Skys of Arcadia. You mentioned it's been in
2872
02:35:00.639 --> 02:35:04.000
a hot minute, So fill us in, what are you
2873
02:35:04.040 --> 02:35:06.399
talking about with those games right now?
2874
02:35:06.440 --> 02:35:09.639
Over at Retrograde A Media We are about to by
2875
02:35:09.680 --> 02:35:13.520
the time this comes out, probably pretty close to starting
2876
02:35:13.559 --> 02:35:18.799
our ninth season on Skies of Arcadia, which I neither
2877
02:35:18.840 --> 02:35:20.479
one of us have played. So we were on a
2878
02:35:20.479 --> 02:35:22.399
streak of games that neither one of us have played,
2879
02:35:22.479 --> 02:35:26.239
and the back to back Sega after finishing Fantasy Star
2880
02:35:26.280 --> 02:35:29.799
four recently, so check that out. In our Patreon, we
2881
02:35:29.840 --> 02:35:34.200
are covering Mega Man Legends, which I did not know
2882
02:35:34.600 --> 02:35:42.079
was even remotely adjacent to the JRPG, but it is
2883
02:35:42.319 --> 02:35:45.440
indeed pretty close. Does share a lot of DNA with
2884
02:35:45.520 --> 02:35:48.760
the JRPG, although we are still not calling it.
2885
02:35:48.840 --> 02:35:50.079
A Japanese role playing game.
2886
02:35:50.120 --> 02:35:54.040
We are calling it a Japanese robot person game until
2887
02:35:54.040 --> 02:35:56.520
we can finally answer whether or not it is truly
2888
02:35:56.559 --> 02:35:58.959
a j RPG. But nonetheless, it is a very very
2889
02:35:58.959 --> 02:36:01.760
interesting game that shares a lot of DNA with with
2890
02:36:01.959 --> 02:36:05.159
games that I love, like, how does Mega Man Legends
2891
02:36:05.159 --> 02:36:10.600
compare or contrast or inspire Metal Gear Solid.
2892
02:36:10.680 --> 02:36:12.639
We'll find out a Patreon dot com slash retro.
2893
02:36:12.719 --> 02:36:15.840
I am, I didn't reveal Skys of Arcadia. That is
2894
02:36:15.840 --> 02:36:16.399
that public?
2895
02:36:18.239 --> 02:36:20.920
I don't know, Maybe it is now?
2896
02:36:20.959 --> 02:36:23.200
Sorry, no, no, I don't know.
2897
02:36:23.239 --> 02:36:27.079
I don't remember what episode we announced that on, and
2898
02:36:27.159 --> 02:36:29.479
as we speak, we've only got about four or five
2899
02:36:29.520 --> 02:36:32.879
episodes of Fantasy Star to release, so it's probably out
2900
02:36:32.879 --> 02:36:33.440
there by now.
2901
02:36:33.520 --> 02:36:35.120
So I'm I'm I'm happy to share.
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02:36:34.920 --> 02:36:39.319
That, Okay, as long as you're sure, yes, I think
2903
02:36:39.360 --> 02:36:40.959
you should all check it out. It's very good. The
2904
02:36:40.959 --> 02:36:44.840
Fantasy Star season was a lot of fun. I have
2905
02:36:44.959 --> 02:36:48.159
never played any Fantasy Star, but it was fun listening
2906
02:36:48.200 --> 02:36:53.600
to listening and hearing all about that himbo. I can't
2907
02:36:53.600 --> 02:36:55.719
remember his name. Chazz, is it Chazz?
2908
02:36:56.079 --> 02:36:59.719
It is, indeed, Chazz. What a great protagonist. He constantly
2909
02:36:59.760 --> 02:37:01.879
com on the fact that he has no idea what's
2910
02:37:01.920 --> 02:37:04.200
going on, and I love it. Perhaps we could have
2911
02:37:04.200 --> 02:37:07.079
gotten more out of that of Serves so that we
2912
02:37:07.120 --> 02:37:09.719
could commiserate with the idea that we have no idea
2913
02:37:09.760 --> 02:37:11.479
what's going on in Cronal Cross until we get to the.
2914
02:37:11.559 --> 02:37:13.799
End, until we get to the end. Okay, so you're
2915
02:37:13.840 --> 02:37:16.680
ahead of me, so good good. I did pick the
2916
02:37:16.719 --> 02:37:19.959
right person. Yeah, you can check that out. All of
2917
02:37:19.959 --> 02:37:21.639
that will be right where you think it is in
2918
02:37:21.680 --> 02:37:24.399
the episode description, all those links. You can find him there,
2919
02:37:24.840 --> 02:37:27.079
check out retrograde Amnesia. You can find him on Blue
2920
02:37:27.079 --> 02:37:30.079
Sky on You're not on Instagram, are you?
2921
02:37:30.719 --> 02:37:33.600
We have an Instagram account, but it's not really been
2922
02:37:34.200 --> 02:37:34.719
used yet.
2923
02:37:34.760 --> 02:37:38.360
So no, okay, fair enough Blue Sky at the very
2924
02:37:38.440 --> 02:37:42.639
least that's where that's where they're posting. And the Patrion.
2925
02:37:42.719 --> 02:37:45.639
Of course, you can find that there same for our
2926
02:37:45.719 --> 02:37:49.239
stuff too. You know that, though if you're here, you've
2927
02:37:49.280 --> 02:37:52.760
already heard the other two and we're approaching three hours,
2928
02:37:53.239 --> 02:37:56.399
so I think with that, one final round of thank
2929
02:37:56.440 --> 02:38:01.239
yous to everybody, to listeners, to Chris, to Chronocross's team. Sure,
2930
02:38:01.280 --> 02:38:04.959
why not? Everybody? Thank you. This has been so much fun,
2931
02:38:05.600 --> 02:38:09.680
loved it, and until next time, check out retrogred Amnesia,
2932
02:38:09.879 --> 02:38:14.040
check out the rest of our catalog, check out both patreons,
2933
02:38:14.200 --> 02:38:19.200
and give us one hundred dollars each. Yes, and that's it,
2934
02:38:19.840 --> 02:38:22.239
all right. This has been a blast, Thanks so much.
2935
02:38:22.680 --> 02:38:23.440
Talk to you next time.
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Wol