Rewatchables: Titane a.k.a. Elijah's Birthday Episode!

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All right, Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close
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-up. You are tuned into Outside the Frame, 94
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.9 Radio Western. 94 .9 Radio Western, you're
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tuned in to Outside the Frame, London's only
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movie talk show. My name's Elijah. I'm Maddy.
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I'm Mike. I'm Dalton. And we are here to talk
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to you about film and the culture that surrounds
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them. If you'd like to take part in the conversation,
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you can text us. 519 -661 -3600. That is 519
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-661 -3600. Before we get into our show today,
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only one real thing that we need to do for housekeeping
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today, and that is in about just under two hours,
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we will be starting... Another edition of Movie
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Trivia Night at the Holy Diver. Sweet. Starts
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at 8 p .m. We were talking about some of the
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prizes and... Kind of went overboard this week.
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Yeah, would you say a buttload would be a good...
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Yeah, there's a lot. We might have to do some
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extra like... Like I was saying, we might have
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to do some extra random bonus prizes and stuff
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because I feel like I brought too much. That's
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okay. Because also Radio Western brings prizes
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and we have prizes. It's not just the Highland.
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Also Diver brings out prizes too. So there's
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a lot of good stuff. It's a lot of hands in the
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kitchen, but for the best possible reason. Fun
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categories this month, I have to say. Yeah, it's
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going to be a fun one. It's good stuff. Yeah,
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I'm really looking forward to seeing how people
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will react to some of these. Yeah, it should
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be good. Yeah, so your brain's working. Exactly,
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yeah. Come on out. The weather's not awful from
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last time I checked. It should be okay now. It
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should be okay now. No tornadoes, no air quality
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is, I think, okay. No thunderstorms, I don't
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think. It was raining earlier, but I think we're
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okay. I think we're okay. Okay. Rain's fine.
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Rain's fine. Yeah. We've gone through hell and
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back with some of our weather, so I think you
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guys can make it out today. It's going to be
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a really fun time. We need Tornado Tim on it.
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Where is he? I know. No, trust me. We would have
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heard from him by now. That's about it for housekeeping.
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So that's why we get into today's episode, which
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was a rewatchable episode. And this is a movie
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that is a favorite amongst a lot of us here.
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But we're doing it for a very particular reason.
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Because today, one of our co -hosts has a birthday.
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That is correct. That is correct. How old are
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you turning today, Elijah? I am turning the big
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3 -1 today. 3 -1. You're officially head on into
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your dirty 30s. Head on. Yeah, dude. I'm knee
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deep in it now. No turning back. In the weeds.
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In the weeds. Exactly. So there's a reason why
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we call it the dirty 30s, dude. You'll figure
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it out. And what an appropriate movie to start.
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Oh, yeah. Started my day with it today. Oh, yeah,
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you weren't there when I, yeah, the first thing
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I did when I just sat up in my bed, got downstairs,
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and I just threw on Titin. Dude, I love a 7 a
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.m. movie. I'll throw this kind of stuff on,
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too. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It was a great way
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to start my day. And I did just kind of give
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away the movie that we're going to be talking
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about today, but it is the 2021 film Titin. This
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movie, we decided to do this movie, A, because
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I love this. I think this movie is awesome. Just
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so good. Five years ago today, or five years
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ago, about a week ago, it premiered, or actually
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I believe it won the Palme d 'Or at the Cannes
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Film Festival in July. That's when they had it
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in July. It was about mid -July back in 2021.
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COVID year, that's what it is. And so amongst
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the list, it really came out as the shocker.
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Especially to win that type of prize awarded
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accidentally by Spike Lee that year. This was
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like one of the first movies that I really got
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behind when I first started working at the Highlands.
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So there's a couple that that fall and into the
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early 2022 season. But Tiff happened. in September
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and they I wasn't there but supposedly what was
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told to me is like the premiere they had like
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trucks with like all the girls dancing on the
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trucks like in the opening scene wow or like
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not quite the opening scene but the right after
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the credits and that was like outside of the
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where they were being premiered and yeah everyone
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was there it was like this big to do and it was
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like the talk of TIFF yes this movie And obviously
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being a fan of Raw, so Julia's first film, I
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love that movie. That movie rips very hard. I
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don't know if you guys have seen that movie,
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but it's very good. So, well, you can say yes
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or no. Of course. You all looked at me as if
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I was talking French, you know? Like, Raw is
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awesome. So being a fan of that and then hearing
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everything around this movie, there was just
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so much hype, so much talk. You read the premise.
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But then you, like, I don't know if you want
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to read the IMDb. It's very funny, the little
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write -up. Yeah, because they were kind of, like,
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hiding it a little bit when it first came out.
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For good reason, I'd say. While he's looking
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that up, I'd also like to mention that it's fitting
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that we're doing this on your birthday because
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I saw this opening night was my birthday. Yeah.
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No way. Opening night at the Highland. Maddy
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and I went. I knew literally nothing about this
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movie except that it won the Palme d 'Or. And
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then I messaged Maddy, who... didn't want to
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go at first yes and then uh you looked at was
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it the parents guide or i think i looked up like
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what are the things that are the like what makes
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this movie so wild yeah and then she messages
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me back like now she goes I just saw what's in
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this movie. I have to see it. What is going on?
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And then I'm like, I still don't know what it
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is. I was like, okay, sure. And then we went
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and I was like. Read the, I would love to. So
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if you're, if you have not seen this movie, this
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is your, your introduction to this film. 2021
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film by Julia Ducarno. Following a series of
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unexplained crimes, a father is reunited with
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the son who has been missing for 10 years. And
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isn't that just what happens? That is technically
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what happens in this. From one character's perspective,
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kind of. Now, the other interesting thing is
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then if you watch the trailer and then go back
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and think about that description, you're like.
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Those what is happening? How are these the same?
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Where are these matching up? So this leads me.
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So I was thinking about this on the drive in
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and I wanted to ask Maddy this because famously.
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You have said on the show, and when we go out
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or talk about movies outside of the show, that
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you don't re -watch movies. Now, this episode
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is specifically called The Rewatchables. Of course,
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we stole it from The Rewatchables Show, which
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is a wildly popular podcast. No, we changed the
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categories and stuff a little bit, and we'll
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get to that in a second. But had you re -watched
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this movie since you saw it? And depending on
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how you answer that question, then what was it
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like rewatching it this time? So I did watch
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it on Dalton's birthday for the first time. Yeah.
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And then I bought the Blu -ray. So sick. Didn't
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watch it for years. And then I think it was last
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year I rewatched it again. So this is the third
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time because I also did it last night. But that's
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huge for you because you don't rewatch movies.
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This is like maybe this was like hovering around
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my top four on Letterboxd for a while. Like this
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is one of those ones where I'm like, I almost
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was scared to watch it a second time because
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I didn't know if it would live up to that first
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time watch. And I still think there is something
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about. what this movie unfolds into that you
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experience the first time the most. 100%. But
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I rewatched it last night, and you guys know
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the little notebook I have. I filled out a whole
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page of notes on this one. So, like, this is
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a movie that I feel like I can really sink my
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teeth into, and it's one that I was okay rewatching.
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Like even from only being like a year out. A
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year out, yeah. You have the poster as well.
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I do have the poster, yeah. This one? No, I have
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a different one. Is it the darker one with her
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on the - No, it's not. I'll see. I think it was
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made by like a fan, but I'll try to find it,
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but you guys can - Yeah. I do remember that this
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film came up before, not really on any episode,
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just in passing of Outside the Frame. However,
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when Mike and I, the first time we shared a mic
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- Pun intended. Together. It was during the 2022
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Oscar roundtable. So it was for the 2021 films.
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Yeah, films. And there was a time when we had
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stopped talking about the Oscars for a second.
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I think it was right before we got into Best
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Picture. You said, all right, before we get into
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this, everybody, I just want to know, what are
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your favorite movies of the year? And when it
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got to you immediately, you said, T -10. Yeah.
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T -10. That was all over that. It was my favorite
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of that year, too. Yeah. It was unbelievable.
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So let's. I just wanted to go through maybe our
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six categories, and then we can kind of, I don't
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know if that's enough setup for this movie. I
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mean, we're going to spoil this movie probably
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throughout the episode. I think it's really funny
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that if people don't know what this movie is,
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and then we talk about it, they're going to be
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like, what on earth are these people talking
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about? Can I do a quick update? Go for it. I
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found the poster because my mom sent it to me.
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She had a picture of it. Oh, that's a great poster.
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That has to be a fan. I think it is, yeah. That's
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unbelievable. But it's pretty sick. Okay, so
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we start off with, we kind of go through and
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pick our most rewatchable scene. This is essentially
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an excuse to go through the movie. sort of and
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and talk about our fate like we don't have to
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pick one scene necessarily we'll talk about multiple
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scenes and how the film unfolds and stuff but
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if we can land on each of our favorite rewatchable
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scenes that's that's kind of the goal there with
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that category um favorite uh or not favorite
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sorry uh best double feature so what what film
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would you want to uh double feature with this
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film uh what prop or piece of memorabilia would
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you want from this movie, if you could buy one
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or have one. One that I added in just because
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I thought it'd be fun because of the way this
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movie ends is we're each going to... spend a
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small moment and do like an elevator pitch or
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a small pitch for a sequel of some kind, uh,
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two to 10. So a little story, like you can throw
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in whatever you want if you have other stuff,
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but like basically we're going to try and franchise
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it. What happens? What happens the next day?
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What happens if there was to tan too? Uh, so
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we'll have some fun with that. Uh, hottest take,
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uh, the Sam thinks, uh, Martin Scorsese's best
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film is Hugo. Uh, hottest. So this is if you
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have a quote -unquote hot take about the movie
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or something that surrounds the film, this is
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where you would say it. And then just one Oscar,
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who gets it, which I think is an actually important
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category because this movie was snubbed in a
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year in which it's insane that it was. But I
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don't want to step on a couple of my hot takes.
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We can wait for that. And best one Oscar. But
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that's why I chose that category because it wasn't
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nominated for it. anything. So, so those are
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what we're going to try and get through on this,
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on this episode. Yes. Oh, before we, speaking
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of, I did speak with a former outside the frame
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alum, alum, alum, alum, alum, Sam, Samantha,
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earlier today. Who has my Blu -ray. That's exactly
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what she said. When I mentioned that we were
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talking about, she was like. oh my God, I still
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have his Blu -ray. I promise I'd give it back.
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Yeah. Like two years ago, three years ago or
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something. Two years, I think. Good gift. Good
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gift. Yeah, that's fine. She can have it. It's
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okay. Maybe one day you'll get it back. Maybe.
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But shout out to Sam. So what did she say about
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this movie? She said, if I remember correctly.
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I know she rated it on Letterboxd. I believe
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she gave this three stars on Letterboxd. But
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she said that, I believe her exact words were,
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this movie makes me uncomfortable. Yeah. I mean,
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that's true. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, checks out,
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but I told her to rewatch it again because I
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think it would be worth a rewatch. Yeah. Especially
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because she said she was going to tune into today's
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episode. She has a pretty funny... It is really
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good. Are you looking it up right now? Yeah,
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I have it. Okay. Well, it's fine because we're
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going to be spoiling the movie. She gave it three
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stars and a heart. Okay. And said, I was stressing
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about what make and model the baby would be for
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nothing. That's quintessential, Sam. That's the
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only thing that she could think about. There's
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so much going on in that movie. But it's a valid
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concern. Shall we get started with our first?
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Sure. Basically how I wrote this out, it depends
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on how you did it, but I just did it chronologically.
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So we can just kind of, and then if you have,
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look who it is. It's Sam. Sam just sent me a
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photo with her making a crying type face and
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holding my Blu -ray. Thanks, Sam. Shout out.
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You have to post that on the Instagram. Yeah,
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include that in the episode. Sam, send me a text
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message if you're okay with me just putting you
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on blast on Instagram because I'll do it. So
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I just kind of went through chronologically.
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So we can just kick it off and go around. I'm
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not going to. We can leave until we've kind of
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exhausted all the scenes we want to talk about,
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and then we can sort of say our favorite scenes.
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So to me, aside from the very opening, which
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is, yes, it kicks off, it gives you some kind
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of reason for what is about to happen, I guess,
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which is like a car accident. The main character
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has a car accident as a kid and has some surgeries
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and whatnot. The movie really kicks off right
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after that. Yeah, and doesn't really let up either
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for the first, like the first act, like first
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half hour. Yeah, 25, 30 minutes. We go, so for
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me, I kind of, even though technically it's wrong,
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but I kind of group the... When she goes, we
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get what her job is, which is basically to dance
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on cars for this weird sort of French car show.
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She's got to be oddly a celebrity. She's got
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to be a model of some sort. She has fans that
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she signs autographs for. Oh, yeah. She's got
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to be, yeah. It goes, so we get that. Then it's
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done in this very elaborate, almost one -er,
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which is really interesting and cool. She has
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this whole dance sequence on this car. We go
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from that to this guy chasing her. She stabs
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him in the ear, kills him. Yes. Right? With,
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like, chopstick hairpin things. Like a sewing
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needle. Sewing needle. Knitting needle. I was
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having, like, an out -of -body experience. So
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was he. Yeah. I mean, just, like, so far up into
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this. This is 10 minutes into the movie, and
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I'm like, oh, my God. And you don't even know
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the next scene's coming. And then, so she's like,
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okay, I gotta wash myself off. She goes back
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into, like, her sort of... dressing area and
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the reason that she washes herself off is because
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when she murders this guy he's like convulsing
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and like showing yeah yeah yeah and then uh I
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guess the best way to describe this is... On
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radio. This is going to be tough. There's a calling
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of sorts, we'll say. A loud noise from the other
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room. A bang. And she's curious. Of course, she
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was in the shower, so she has... She's yet to
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re -dress. Clothed herself. Yes. And then has
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relations with a car. A Cadillac, to be specific.
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And... A fire print Cadillac. That is like the
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first 15, 10, 15 minutes. And we're off. That's
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it. You're locked in now. Locked in. So that's
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how the movie kicks off. But I'll bring that
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sort of sequence up as sort of one. I think that
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counts as one scene. Because it all takes place.
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Besides the car crash at the beginning. Technically
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it's not. I would almost say the dance at the
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very beginning scene is its own thing. And then
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maybe the stabbing into the car is the difference.
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Yeah, I agree. But I think it's fair to group
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them. I just grouped that little moment. It's
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like the inciting incident. And it's all in the
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same setting, like technically relatively. So
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Maddy, do you want to follow that up? I guess
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the question is, are we kind of going in order?
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I think you can do whatever you want. Do what
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you want. That's why I said it depends. It's
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my birthday. I say you get to do what you want.
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Elijah says I get to do what I want. That's why
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I started off with, it depends on how you wrote
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them down. So you can just, that's just how I
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wrote it down. The way I did it was my favorite
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scene. the one that I picked but I also wanted
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to mention you already brought up one but there's
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a lot of dance sequences in this movie and each
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of them shows so much of the inner thoughts of
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the character at that point of time and how that
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changes and so one of mine is one of the dance
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sequences but it might not be the one you're
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all thinking of I call it the pink party scene
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yeah that's how I wrote it down yeah that's how
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I wrote it down too um but it's I guess if I
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don't know how much we're getting into the character
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differences here. Purple dance scene. Yeah, yeah.
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In my notes. But it's, how much of this do I
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explain, I guess? They're having a party as a
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bunch of firefighters because she ends up being
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at a firehouse. Let's just say that. Oh no, no,
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this is a different time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And
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it's a scene where, I guess, how much do I explain
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in the movie so far to get where we're at? I
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mean, can you explain it without... Because we'll
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get to there at that point, but it is the scene
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where... She's with her new father. Her new dad,
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yeah. And he's a fire chief. Yes. And she's trying
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to fit in at the firehouse. Yes. I think it's
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awesome that all the firefighters are smoking
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indoors. Oh, yeah. It's France. Yeah, it's France.
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It's France. Yeah, and then they're kind of...
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blowing off some steam yeah that's where we're
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at yeah so the part that i like about this scene
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so much is this was the turning point in the
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movie for me when i was like oh my god this is
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like sweet there's like a niceness underneath
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this sentimentality yeah there's like a gentleness
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to this scene especially because the dad is like
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trying to protect her in this scene because the
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other firefighters are like what's wrong yeah
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and they just dance together and it's like the
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one moment where they're both truly happy in
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the movie and it's just beautifully shot there's
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a lot of slow slow -mo at the beginning when
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they're dancing together and it's just one of
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those scenes where I was like is this the same
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movie that we were just explaining what happens
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in the first act because this was really the
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turning point for me in the movie where I'm like
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this is there's something more going on here
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than you might have just guessed based off a
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log line or just based off the opening of the
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movie. Yeah. It is a great like sentimental and
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it shows like it shows the evolution of that
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character too because you can kind of see as
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you said each dance sequence kind of shows something
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new about them and this is really a we won't
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get too too into it but this is a very like opening
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of this character you know it's a it reveals
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a little bit more like it's a little bit more
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vulnerable for this character to be than previously
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seen in this movie. Yes. Yeah. It's a really
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good one. My scene that I chose, I keep calling
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it this even though I know it's not this. I call
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it the home invasion scene. It is not a home
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invasion. She's willingly let into this house.
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But it plays out almost like a home invasion.
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Yeah. Where our character, this is towards, this
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is maybe. Five or ten minutes after the – Like
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five minutes after the – This is in the first
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half hour kind of deal. Yes. It's in the first
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act. And she goes home with someone that she
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works with and that she is, I guess, kind of
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seeing at the time. It's getting there. It's
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just trying to hook up. And the way that she
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takes out the gentleman who was chasing her earlier,
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that's how she takes this person out and then
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realizes there are more people in this house.
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And has to take them out. And then realizes there
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are more people in the house. And it is brutal.
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But it's just as funny as it is brutal. That's
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the thing. I think this scene is like I was laughing
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out loud. And the music is so good. So good in
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this. There's a great comedic bit. I want to
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just say I wrote the same scene. But I called
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it. House murder chaos. House murder chaos. Because
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I'm like, I don't know how to describe this scene
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any other way. Yeah. But there's a beat where
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she thinks she's killed. Well, she has killed
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two of them. The one runs upstairs and she turns
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and the other guy is standing there. Waiting
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to use the bathroom. The music cuts out. And
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he's such a sweet guy. He's so nice. She's just
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like, how many are you? He hugs her. She's like,
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I'm just so beat. So tired. Here's a question
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for you. Why? Does she kill that person? I wrote
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a note about that because I do think it is like...
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I thought you might. Yeah, yeah. Like a lot of
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this movie is about how vulnerable do you get
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with other people and also like how you might
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feel like an other around other people. Like
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you might not feel as human or somebody seeing
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you in a light that makes you feel like you're
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not... You're not fully connecting with other
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people. And I think that's a big part of this
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movie. She's got metal in her head. She feels
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like she is like a different entity in a sense.
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And we can't forget about what just happened
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to her. Yes. Right. Which is like a big, a big
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piece of that puzzle of not feeling abnormal
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and not feeling like, you know, this person wants
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to like connect with me on a sexual level. Yeah.
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But she has like the same reaction, which this
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is. I think one of the many brilliant parts about
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this movie, especially talking about which I
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think is one of the big themes of this movie
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is masculinity and femininity. And the same reaction
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that she had to that creepy guy that was following
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her is the same reaction that she has to this
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girl because not that she. maybe has the same
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hatred. It was for a slightly different reason,
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but it was to protect, I think, to protect herself.
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Yeah. Because she didn't, because if she goes
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through with the act, that person's going to
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find out what's wrong with her. Yeah. Can't have
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anyone get too close. Right. I also find it,
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like, throughout the film, she seems more interested
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in the inanimate than real people. Yeah, of course.
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And I think any time a person even gets remotely
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close, it becomes this thing where it's almost
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like a reversal where she sees them as objects
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or like things to be discarded and she has to.
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It doesn't matter if, you know, that lovely gentleman
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waiting for the bathroom is the nicest person
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ever. No. He's just another item. that's in her
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way that she needs to get out of there. And there's
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really only one character that breaks through
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that. Yeah, and that scene when you are not sure
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if he's going to break through or not is also
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another poignant scene that we could also be
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talking about for a rewatchable. Oh, my turn.
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You got invested. Yeah, I know. It went through
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all of them, but I still have two more. I'm going
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to say when they're at... When she is at the
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captain's house and they're having dinner and
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he's trying to connect to her in some way. And
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his idea is to basically fight her. But what
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it starts with is another dance scene. And the
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song choice is fantastic. She's not there, which
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is a perfect song choice. And it's the energy
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of this scene. She's very good at creating this
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controlled chaos in this movie, and I think this
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scene is a perfect example of that, where you
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get all of the emotions changing, building, but
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it still feels like all the steps for getting
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to know these characters comes through. But it's
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a wildly chaotic melee in the kitchen. I also
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think it's... This is totally unrelated to that.
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I always think it's funny when it cuts back and
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there's just the full plates of spaghetti. They're
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always shoveling it in. One question I had, and
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this is something I noticed this time around,
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is there's this shot of the dad when he sees
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her for the first time, and Julia kind of just
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hangs on the shot, like almost for too long.
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when the dad is just kind of staring at the kid,
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which made me think of almost the movie, not
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in a different way, but from like from a story
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standpoint that, OK, there's two different perspectives
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in the sense of there's Alexia. She's trying
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to hide who she is. Right. And blend in. so that
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she doesn't get caught. That's a practical reason
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what she's doing, right? Of course, there's the
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added thing that she's pregnant, so that is a
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whole thing that she's trying to deal with at
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the same time. So that's what she's trying to
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do. From her perspective, she's trying to hide
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all of that stuff, right? I honestly think after
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this rewatch that... The dad was never really
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sold on her. Oh, he knows. Oh, no. Right. And
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it's more about him just like when he saw her
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for the first time. he made that decision in
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that moment that it didn't matter. Absolutely.
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Right? He just needed somebody. So therefore,
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that then spins the whole reveal thing that from
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an audience standpoint, it's not really revealing
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to the audience. Like, oh, he's figured it out.
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Or when the mom figures it out, all of this stuff,
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it's really about, again, from Alexi's standpoint,
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.440
now I'm revealing myself to the character rather
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:58.319
than a twist or like, oh, the dad didn't know.
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It's like, The dad knew the whole time. He has
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to face it and accept it. Accept it, yes. Because
00:27:02.890 --> 00:27:06.970
he's well aware the moment he sees her, but he's
00:27:06.970 --> 00:27:09.390
created this thing in his brain that at least
00:27:09.390 --> 00:27:13.210
the possibility is there. I don't think he's
00:27:13.210 --> 00:27:15.490
created anything. I think it was a conscious
00:27:15.490 --> 00:27:17.750
decision that it did not matter to him. But do
00:27:17.750 --> 00:27:20.730
you think there's also a sense? Do you think
00:27:20.730 --> 00:27:22.829
there's also a sense maybe that he's also coming
00:27:22.829 --> 00:27:24.990
to terms with like, he knows it's not his kid
00:27:24.990 --> 00:27:27.470
and... now he's kind of thought that like well
00:27:27.470 --> 00:27:29.950
now maybe i have to lose my kid at this point
00:27:29.950 --> 00:27:31.750
like my kid will never come back yeah like oh
00:27:31.750 --> 00:27:34.450
yeah so like he's like that's that's also coming
00:27:34.450 --> 00:27:37.970
killing like the the actual son or the memory
00:27:37.970 --> 00:27:40.390
by doing this correct yeah it's a way to get
00:27:40.390 --> 00:27:43.250
over it's a way to and and then he has what he
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:45.940
That's what's great about – so many things great
00:27:45.940 --> 00:27:48.440
about this movie. But the characters do get kind
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:51.839
of what they want. Weirdly. Absolutely, yeah.
00:27:51.980 --> 00:27:55.160
But they don't know yet. Until the end because
00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:57.799
what does he receive at the end? A brand new
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:02.299
son, right? Or daughter. Child. A new child to
00:28:02.299 --> 00:28:04.319
take care of. That's all he really wanted was
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:07.480
to be able to take care of his kid, right? So
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:09.059
many great scenes. Anyways, I just want to ask
00:28:09.059 --> 00:28:10.740
and see if you guys were on the same page. Yeah.
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:14.940
I definitely didn't. really catch how long that
00:28:14.940 --> 00:28:17.900
shot was until this rewatch. Which is another
00:28:17.900 --> 00:28:19.920
great scene. Because it feels like there should
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.740
be another cut back and forth, but it lasts as
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long as two shots. It just kind of stays there.
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Now before we get into any other categories,
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I do want to cut to a quick commercial break,
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our Rewatchables episode of the 2021 film T10.
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We just finished with our most Rewatchables scene
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category. What do we have up next? We have best
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double feature choice. There's an obvious choice
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here. There is an obvious choice. There is an
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obvious choice, but I think there's actually,
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the more I thought about it, because I think
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what we're all thinking is Crash. Crash, yeah.
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Cronenberg's Crash, yes. Right. Not Maddy's
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favorite. Boo! The more I thought about it, because
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I knew no one here would take that just because
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of how obvious it was. Yeah. The more I thought
00:29:19.450 --> 00:29:22.549
about it, the more other films revealed themselves
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to me. So, yeah, I'm really interested in what
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you guys picked. Maybe let's start with Dalton.
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Let's not start with Dalton. Uh -oh. Uh -oh.
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He's thinking on it. He was going to say Crash.
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Well, here's what happened. Oh, I mean, you could
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say Crash. It's a good choice. I just assumed
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no one would take it because it was too obvious.
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So many where I was like, I was thinking about
00:29:42.309 --> 00:29:44.910
father daughter relationship. Sure. I was thinking
00:29:44.910 --> 00:29:47.589
about, you know, any familiar relation. I was
00:29:47.589 --> 00:29:50.470
thinking all of these things. And I went every
00:29:50.470 --> 00:29:53.430
time I was like, the right answer is crash. Yeah.
00:29:53.470 --> 00:29:57.369
Yeah. And I, I literally wrote in my note that
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it could only be. I mean, I'll, I'll make a good
00:30:02.029 --> 00:30:04.089
case. I think for, for what I chose, the thing
00:30:04.089 --> 00:30:07.210
was I, for this one. I remember there was a few
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that I... I'm not going, and now he's going.
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Well, I said I will. Because I was like, don't
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lead it off, and I'm just like, it's Crash. I
00:30:16.009 --> 00:30:19.430
had a bunch of different ideas, and they never
00:30:19.430 --> 00:30:21.630
felt right. I don't think I could watch that
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movie and that movie back to back. I was like,
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Crash, I think, is the one. And I was more curious
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to see, because I thought the same thing, where
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I was like, I'll take it, because I bet you...
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These guys are not going to take it, and they're
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going to come up, and I'm more curious to hear
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what you guys came up with, because I struggled
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to do this one. Okay. Very interesting. I want
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to hear Mike's, because I want to make sure it's
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not mine, so you can go first. If I was to have,
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this was almost my choice, so if I was to have
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a runner -up, it'd be cruising, for a bunch of
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different reasons. That's interesting. Number
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one, phenomenal character dance sequence in cruising,
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which is... One of the best scenes in the 1980s
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and is, I mean, Maddy explained it great when
00:31:05.069 --> 00:31:07.890
you highlighted that dance sequence. Well, Cruising
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has one of those too. And also it's about identity,
00:31:12.190 --> 00:31:15.609
hiding yourself. It has a lot of similar themes
00:31:15.609 --> 00:31:18.049
in that way. So that would be like my runner
00:31:18.049 --> 00:31:21.130
up. And then I went back and forth between two
00:31:21.130 --> 00:31:25.240
Gasparino movies for various reasons. The first
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.359
obvious one would be his debut film called I
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.000
Stand Alone, which I was like, okay, you got
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.039
the father -daughter stuff, twisted story, blah,
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blah, blah. But it doesn't have the same vibe
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.220
to me, right? So maybe we pick the same one.
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I can guess, but no, we keep going. So the film
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that I landed on was Climax. Climax, yeah. And
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there's a couple of different reasons for that.
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Did those not come out in the same year? No,
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Climax was... Oh, was that 2019? 2018? I don't
00:31:53.700 --> 00:31:56.880
actually know. Hold on. I got IMDb on me. I thought
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.140
it was early. Great radio here, guys. 2018, you're,
00:31:59.140 --> 00:32:02.240
yeah. 2018. Okay, jeez. I thought it was in the
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:06.480
20s. So, again, this is more like, I mean, again,
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:10.519
dance being a super big part of that movie. The
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:14.859
opening of the car dance scene reminded me of,
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:17.500
I mean, it's much shorter, but the climax wonder
00:32:17.500 --> 00:32:21.000
is like almost the whole movie. So, but it was
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.940
just more like the frantic nature of, of the
00:32:23.940 --> 00:32:26.119
film and the vibe of the film. So oddly similar
00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:29.279
tones at parts, like, yeah, like not over the
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:32.000
hole, but like, yes, it hits the same sort of
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.000
beat again. I hate using the word vibe, but it
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.640
has a similar vibe, different themes, different,
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.759
but. you know, both French, both, and it gets
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:42.160
a little twisted and it's pretty twisted. So
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I think there's a lot like when I see to Tain,
00:32:44.779 --> 00:32:47.680
if I was, if I was programming and I saw to Tain
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:50.880
and, and climax together, I'd be like, Hey, those,
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.299
those, that makes sense. So that's what I ended
00:32:53.299 --> 00:32:56.660
up landing on. Well, I hit on anything that,
00:32:56.700 --> 00:32:58.759
well, it's already been brought up today because
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it was raw. That's what I was going to feature
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:05.359
with. Obviously. Like, Julia Ducarno did an interview
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:07.220
that was on the Blu -ray that I watched last
00:33:07.220 --> 00:33:09.819
night and she was saying how her work, it builds
00:33:09.819 --> 00:33:12.279
on itself. So she was saying like, I start from
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:14.460
somewhere and I have an idea and then it goes
00:33:14.460 --> 00:33:16.480
from there. So she was talking about after making
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:18.200
Roth, she really wanted to make a story about
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:20.779
love. And that's what happened when she made
00:33:20.779 --> 00:33:23.299
Titane. That was the through line with her. But
00:33:23.299 --> 00:33:24.720
I think watching them back to back, there are
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.220
parts of it that you can see like a lot about
00:33:27.220 --> 00:33:30.180
womanhood and a lot about like deep primal urges
00:33:30.180 --> 00:33:33.420
and like human bodies. like flesh and finding
00:33:33.420 --> 00:33:35.960
yourself yeah that's the there's always like
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:38.539
a level of emotionality to her work underneath
00:33:38.539 --> 00:33:41.799
what some people might see as more like bombastic
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:43.980
i guess in terms of like body horror things like
00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:46.599
that but there is a level of humanity that resides
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:48.819
underneath it all and it makes you care about
00:33:48.819 --> 00:33:51.599
the characters so one of one of that's very well
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:54.579
said one of the main reasons i would say top
00:33:54.579 --> 00:33:57.319
two reasons why personally i love this film so
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.960
much is because i think it's one of the best
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:06.619
examples of someone who's not male having like
00:34:06.619 --> 00:34:10.760
an just an unbelievable objective observation
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:15.659
of what it is what masculine masculinity is could
00:34:15.659 --> 00:34:22.489
be is in certain family dynamics. It's so poignant.
00:34:22.769 --> 00:34:25.969
And maybe I'm reading it wrong. I don't know.
00:34:26.030 --> 00:34:28.849
But what I take from it is that dad character,
00:34:28.969 --> 00:34:33.670
there's so many things with him that is... She's
00:34:33.670 --> 00:34:39.650
doing stuff in this movie that 90 % of male directors
00:34:39.650 --> 00:34:42.750
would only hope and wish they could do. And sometimes
00:34:42.750 --> 00:34:46.840
it takes an objective... somewhat objective like
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:50.059
observer to like observe those kind of things
00:34:50.059 --> 00:34:52.199
and be able but that's the genius of her and
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:54.219
this movie is being able to like succinct that
00:34:54.219 --> 00:34:57.800
down into a story and a character and that's
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:00.159
really hard to do I think that's that's one of
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.599
my my favorite parts of this movie is her portrayal
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:09.179
of the dad because he's like he has to run this
00:35:09.179 --> 00:35:12.500
you know firehouse with they're all like 20 year
00:35:12.500 --> 00:35:15.570
old Buff men, you know, like, in their prime.
00:35:15.889 --> 00:35:21.690
He is beyond broken. He is God to them, by the
00:35:21.690 --> 00:35:25.349
way. Yeah, but he's trapped in this failing body.
00:35:25.849 --> 00:35:29.349
His family has fallen apart. Everything that,
00:35:29.389 --> 00:35:32.630
in his mind, a man is supposed to be, he's failing
00:35:32.630 --> 00:35:35.989
at. So, you know, he's using steroids to keep
00:35:35.989 --> 00:35:37.730
himself going. Which is also, like, there's another
00:35:37.730 --> 00:35:41.619
argument because there's a, I think... It's not
00:35:41.619 --> 00:35:44.300
that far -fetched to read this as a transgender
00:35:44.300 --> 00:35:46.880
allegory, right? Totally could read it that way.
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.440
Steroids are basically just testosterone. He's
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:56.840
taking T -shots. It's probably HGH or something
00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:00.119
and all that stuff, yeah. I think there's so
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:03.639
many levels on which that character works that
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:07.150
I... that's one of the elements I'm most drawn
00:36:07.150 --> 00:36:09.250
to. Well, it's interesting too, because both
00:36:09.250 --> 00:36:11.510
the characters that are almost like, so the beginning,
00:36:11.590 --> 00:36:14.769
Alexi is like almost what is a traditional female
00:36:14.769 --> 00:36:17.170
or how you would objectify traditional female.
00:36:17.949 --> 00:36:20.250
on the outside, the dad has all the traits of
00:36:20.250 --> 00:36:23.969
a, but they also both share opposite traits too.
00:36:24.030 --> 00:36:26.050
Like she has male traits, literally becoming
00:36:26.050 --> 00:36:29.690
a male and has all these male traits. While at
00:36:29.690 --> 00:36:31.469
the same time is pregnant. While at the same
00:36:31.469 --> 00:36:34.650
time is pregnant. And the dad all of a sudden
00:36:34.650 --> 00:36:37.530
has these other traits that would be more quote
00:36:37.530 --> 00:36:40.050
unquote traditionally female. So it's, again,
00:36:40.210 --> 00:36:41.829
it's so brilliant. There's a reason why that
00:36:41.829 --> 00:36:43.710
scene is shot in pink and purple and all that
00:36:43.710 --> 00:36:45.010
stuff. There's so much in the stage direction
00:36:45.010 --> 00:36:46.849
on that. It's unbelievable. But this is why,
00:36:47.190 --> 00:36:49.730
this movie is like to unpack this movie there's
00:36:49.730 --> 00:36:52.230
a lot there's a lot to unpack but Ra's a great
00:36:52.230 --> 00:36:55.269
choice and my backup was Eraserhead but sure
00:36:55.269 --> 00:36:59.309
Eraserhead yeah well weird baby yeah or just
00:36:59.309 --> 00:37:02.010
like the fears of parenthood yeah that makes
00:37:02.010 --> 00:37:06.769
sense I chose a movie from Pedro Almodovar called
00:37:06.769 --> 00:37:10.489
The Skin I Live In. It's a good movie. Yeah,
00:37:10.550 --> 00:37:12.670
I really like it. And it kind of deals... Banderas,
00:37:12.670 --> 00:37:15.329
is that? That is correct, yes. And he plays a
00:37:15.329 --> 00:37:18.949
plastic surgeon who has made this synthetic type
00:37:18.949 --> 00:37:23.869
of skin. And his guinea pig is a mysterious woman
00:37:23.869 --> 00:37:26.150
who you find out more about as the movie goes
00:37:26.150 --> 00:37:29.849
on. This movie is not... entirely in the same
00:37:29.849 --> 00:37:35.650
French extremity type genre. But it kind of borders
00:37:35.650 --> 00:37:38.750
on it. There's a lot of similar... It's a mix
00:37:38.750 --> 00:37:42.530
of crazy stuff, but also like... oddly tender
00:37:42.530 --> 00:37:45.309
moments and funny moments exactly and I think
00:37:45.309 --> 00:37:47.730
that like the tone is like not as it's not never
00:37:47.730 --> 00:37:51.809
as outlandish or as bonkers as as T -Tain may
00:37:51.809 --> 00:37:53.989
get but it still deals with similar themes of
00:37:53.989 --> 00:37:56.710
womanhood what it means to be a woman and what
00:37:56.710 --> 00:37:59.690
it means to be a man identity and just like how
00:37:59.690 --> 00:38:02.750
the body is treated and how women's bodies are
00:38:02.750 --> 00:38:05.510
used. So I think it's an interesting pairing.
00:38:05.650 --> 00:38:07.989
I don't think it's eye for eye, but I think it's
00:38:07.989 --> 00:38:10.829
an interesting back -to -back to have. This would
00:38:10.829 --> 00:38:13.789
be a good starting point, and then you lead into
00:38:13.789 --> 00:38:18.110
something like T -Tank. So The Skin I Live In
00:38:18.110 --> 00:38:21.719
is a really interesting movie. really interesting
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:24.019
pivot for both that director and Antonio Banderas
00:38:24.019 --> 00:38:27.320
as well. Um, so yeah, that would, that was my
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:30.440
pick. Okay. So we're going to move on. Um, I'm
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:33.000
good. I'm going to pivot a little bit, um, to
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.159
hopefully give us a little bit of extra time
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.460
before, cause we have to leave right at seven.
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.219
Yeah. Just in case our sequel pitches may take
00:38:40.219 --> 00:38:42.039
a little longer, we're going to go through, uh,
00:38:42.139 --> 00:38:44.599
five, the five and six categories a little quicker.
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:47.840
Um, so I'll kick it off because mine kind of
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:50.650
goes one and two like together. Okay. My, hottest
00:38:50.650 --> 00:38:54.010
take is that this i mean it's not that hot to
00:38:54.010 --> 00:38:56.809
take but some people might think it is uh this
00:38:56.809 --> 00:38:59.150
film should have been nominated for best picture
00:38:59.150 --> 00:39:02.750
best writing best director best makeup and best
00:39:02.750 --> 00:39:06.889
hair um so that's five noms uh i guess the hottest
00:39:06.889 --> 00:39:08.769
take is that this should have taken the place
00:39:08.769 --> 00:39:13.759
of uh promising young woman which can only can
00:39:13.759 --> 00:39:17.380
only wish that the movie did what Tatane did.
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:19.380
Can I read out the, the, the, the winner and
00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:22.119
winners and nominees of the, uh, of the best
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:25.159
picture for 2021. So this would be the 2022.
00:39:25.780 --> 00:39:28.099
Uh, so that would be, uh, I'll go in reverse
00:39:28.099 --> 00:39:29.679
order though. They have it here. West side story.
00:39:30.489 --> 00:39:32.550
The Power of the Dog. This is best picture, right?
00:39:32.570 --> 00:39:34.650
This is best picture. Nightmare Alley, Licorice
00:39:34.650 --> 00:39:38.769
Pizza, King Richard, Dune, Drive My Car, Don't
00:39:38.769 --> 00:39:42.429
Look Up, Belfast, and the winner, Coda. Yeah,
00:39:42.429 --> 00:39:44.730
you can knock some of those out. A couple of
00:39:44.730 --> 00:39:48.670
those can go. Definitely to put in this movie.
00:39:48.829 --> 00:39:50.309
At least, I'm not saying it should have won.
00:39:50.969 --> 00:39:53.409
I'm just saying. It wasn't even put forward by
00:39:53.409 --> 00:39:57.510
France. It's insane. Oh no, it was France's submission.
00:39:57.650 --> 00:40:00.750
No, it wasn't. Yeah, it was a different one,
00:40:00.829 --> 00:40:02.590
which was, I remember the controversy because
00:40:02.590 --> 00:40:04.309
it won the Palme d 'Or and then they didn't.
00:40:04.309 --> 00:40:07.980
Because she spoke out at the... At the French,
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:11.280
what is it, the César? I think it's what they're
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:15.079
called. Yeah, because Rowan Polanski won an award,
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:17.820
and she went out and said a whole lot of stuff.
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:22.460
Oh, she's opinionated about that? Shocker. I
00:40:22.460 --> 00:40:24.679
think she also said some stuff about Macron and
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:26.380
stuff, and they just decided they're not pushing
00:40:26.380 --> 00:40:30.199
her movie. Which is terrible because it definitely
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:34.239
deserves a bunch of nominations. So then I'm
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:36.420
just going to roll that. quote -unquote hottest
00:40:36.420 --> 00:40:38.199
take. Like I said, the hotter take, I guess,
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:39.679
is that I think it should have taken the place
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:41.719
of Promising Young Woman and all the other categories
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:44.880
that it was nominated in. And then it should
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.280
have won my one Oscar would be Best Writing.
00:40:47.420 --> 00:40:50.159
I think it's the most realistic in terms of what...
00:40:50.539 --> 00:40:53.079
you know, pre -substance sort of, you know, like
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:56.059
during this, this era, I guess it's like, this
00:40:56.059 --> 00:40:58.820
is the cool movie. They wanted it to be promising
00:40:58.820 --> 00:41:01.079
young woman. That movie's forgettable, not cool.
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:05.099
This movie is cool and should have won best writing
00:41:05.099 --> 00:41:08.739
like hands down. So. That's a good take. So that's
00:41:08.739 --> 00:41:13.739
my last two categories put together. Are we doing
00:41:13.739 --> 00:41:15.599
the prop category also? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:18.059
We'll do that. Okay. So what one do you want
00:41:18.059 --> 00:41:20.019
me to do now? We started with takes. Yeah, let's
00:41:20.019 --> 00:41:21.980
start with takes. Okay, hottest take. Is the
00:41:21.980 --> 00:41:26.599
baby not weird enough? Hot take? I like it. It's
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:28.739
a good take. Hot take? I'm okay with it. Yeah,
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.199
I like the baby. I'm not going to lie. The first
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:35.960
time I saw it in that camp. I was expecting more
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:43.099
car than baby. That's fair. So I'm on your page.
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:49.119
I think it fits thematically because it's inheriting
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:51.320
the, I'm going to use Mike's favorite word here,
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:53.320
inheriting the trauma from the mother, right?
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:57.880
But it's like you don't inherit everything, but
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:01.019
it comes in pieces. And I think it looks like
00:42:01.019 --> 00:42:04.659
it's almost a part of their DNA, right? It's
00:42:04.659 --> 00:42:07.500
the spine and the head. I don't know. I think
00:42:07.500 --> 00:42:09.940
it's very fitting. Also, I'm never one to say
00:42:09.940 --> 00:42:13.199
this. Like I said, I agree with you because that's
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:15.119
the first thought I had when I saw it. However,
00:42:15.420 --> 00:42:18.159
the scene, if it was too weird, it would take
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:19.920
away from what the scene actually is. Yeah, absolutely.
00:42:20.340 --> 00:42:22.900
Which is such a touching moment. That's why I
00:42:22.900 --> 00:42:24.619
think it rides the line really well. Which is
00:42:24.619 --> 00:42:29.449
also the whole thing in the same vein. Um, what's
00:42:29.449 --> 00:42:32.030
the mechanics of the, of the scene at the beginning?
00:42:32.110 --> 00:42:34.289
Yeah. Yeah. Right. There's a reason, like if
00:42:34.289 --> 00:42:38.099
I, I. 100 % believe that if you ask Julia privately,
00:42:38.300 --> 00:42:39.980
she knows what it is. Yeah, but she won't say.
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:43.099
But it's not about if she couldn't film it or
00:42:43.099 --> 00:42:44.820
if she didn't think of it, which is the rare
00:42:44.820 --> 00:42:47.760
case of that would be the only thing that you'd
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:49.800
be thinking about. The actual more important
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.199
thing is that she got pregnant by a car, not
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.719
how it happened. Correct. But that took me a
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:56.840
couple, because I'm dumb sometimes, that took
00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:59.619
me a while. You don't have to all agree. No,
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:03.760
I am dumb. It does take silence. He's looking
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:06.619
for support and it's just, Okay. No, I'm saying
00:43:06.619 --> 00:43:08.340
it for a reason. It took me a couple of watches
00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:10.119
to really understand that. Like, cause I'd always
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:12.599
be like, Oh, I like, like why? Why? Like what's
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:14.260
the mechanics here? How is this working? Well,
00:43:14.340 --> 00:43:16.800
it actually like would ruin the fact that I don't
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:19.320
need. Yeah, no, I do need it. It would be great
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:21.380
if it was an extra scene. Like if you could watch
00:43:21.380 --> 00:43:24.980
it as a bonus scene, but I think it would ruin
00:43:24.980 --> 00:43:27.780
the, the, again, the fact that. The most important
00:43:27.780 --> 00:43:29.199
thing is that she got pregnant by a car. Yeah.
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.039
That's what's important. Anyways. So I have a
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:33.380
question for my Oscars. Can I just give it international
00:43:33.380 --> 00:43:35.360
picture win? Go for it. Can that be the Oscar
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:37.480
that I give it? Yes. Absolutely. Just one Oscar.
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:38.940
Whatever Oscar you want. I didn't know if it
00:43:38.940 --> 00:43:40.099
was one person or just one Oscar. You can give
00:43:40.099 --> 00:43:42.460
it a short film. I don't care. This is your world.
00:43:42.500 --> 00:43:45.199
Cool. Then yes, it wins international for that
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:46.960
year. Sorry to drive my car, but yeah. Done.
00:43:46.980 --> 00:43:48.519
Yeah. Done. It's better than driving my car.
00:43:48.539 --> 00:43:52.320
My hot take is I actually think winning the Palme
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:54.400
d 'Or hurt its reputation more than it helped
00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:57.900
it. Interesting. I think that the Palme d 'Or,
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:03.519
especially leading up until Tite, was very, very,
00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:06.400
they gave it to very prestigious, quote unquote,
00:44:06.619 --> 00:44:10.099
high art films. Even when movies like Crash,
00:44:10.340 --> 00:44:13.300
like we mentioned, were premiered there, they
00:44:13.300 --> 00:44:16.360
made up an award, a special grand jury award,
00:44:16.500 --> 00:44:21.119
just to shrug it off. But for this one, they
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.789
gave it that prize. Just from a marketing standpoint,
00:44:24.849 --> 00:44:26.409
when people see that it won the Palme d 'Or.
00:44:26.409 --> 00:44:27.869
It's like elevated too much. They think, oh,
00:44:27.869 --> 00:44:30.389
this is elevated, quote unquote, high art. And
00:44:30.389 --> 00:44:32.250
so they go into it with certain expectations.
00:44:32.329 --> 00:44:34.730
Now, I'm not saying that this is not T -Tang's
00:44:34.730 --> 00:44:36.730
fault. This is not the Palme d 'Or's fault. Because
00:44:36.730 --> 00:44:39.150
they gave it to the right winner. They gave it
00:44:39.150 --> 00:44:42.489
to the right film. I just think that the predecessors
00:44:42.489 --> 00:44:47.369
and the reputation that predecessors have when
00:44:47.369 --> 00:44:49.820
it comes to the Palme d 'Or. may have misled
00:44:49.820 --> 00:44:52.159
a lot of people into looking at this movie. And
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:54.079
then, of course, they take it out on the movie
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:57.900
itself rather than their expectations. It's a
00:44:57.900 --> 00:44:59.800
good take. Can I add just a little bit to that?
00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:02.010
Sure. Whereas this Winning the Palm... let more
00:45:02.010 --> 00:45:05.429
people see it. Because I don't know if you would
00:45:05.429 --> 00:45:07.230
have heard about this movie otherwise or have
00:45:07.230 --> 00:45:09.050
seen it in theaters otherwise if it didn't win
00:45:09.050 --> 00:45:10.929
the Palm. And it kind of kicked down the door
00:45:10.929 --> 00:45:13.369
for a lot of other international movies and recognition
00:45:13.369 --> 00:45:15.050
because a lot of people were like, well, if you
00:45:15.050 --> 00:45:17.190
win the Palm, why didn't you also get nominated
00:45:17.190 --> 00:45:18.949
anywhere else? I think it also gives a little
00:45:18.949 --> 00:45:21.650
bit more credit, too, as it's not the crazy movie
00:45:21.650 --> 00:45:23.829
where the woman has sex with a car. They're like,
00:45:23.909 --> 00:45:24.889
hey, there's something... That's going to get
00:45:24.889 --> 00:45:27.489
me in the door. Yeah. That's going to get the
00:45:27.489 --> 00:45:30.510
mics in the door. I think it's a... It was...
00:45:30.780 --> 00:45:33.019
important to reward that film for what it actually
00:45:33.019 --> 00:45:35.920
was I mean it is also the movie where she has
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:38.659
sex with a car you know it's that is what the
00:45:38.659 --> 00:45:41.840
movie is however there's so many layers to this
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:44.840
movie and it's a really smart it's a really impressive
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:49.820
movie and I think it was important for it to
00:45:49.820 --> 00:45:51.380
get that award but I get what you mean where
00:45:52.030 --> 00:45:54.130
The average viewer going, oh, it's the – and
00:45:54.130 --> 00:45:55.650
then they go and they're like, oh, well, they're
00:45:55.650 --> 00:45:57.050
just giving this award to anything. That's just
00:45:57.050 --> 00:45:59.449
grotesque. Yeah. I get what you mean. Yeah. That's
00:45:59.449 --> 00:46:01.389
another – Good take. It's a good take. It's another
00:46:01.389 --> 00:46:03.110
double feature that could work as the substance.
00:46:03.170 --> 00:46:05.530
Very similar. Of course. Like second feature,
00:46:05.650 --> 00:46:08.369
you know, went off and actually – French. Kind
00:46:08.369 --> 00:46:10.969
of French. Well, yeah. They're all the same.
00:46:11.829 --> 00:46:14.510
French ladies are my favorite, man. But like
00:46:14.510 --> 00:46:18.829
use, you know – Used to tan and jumped off of
00:46:18.829 --> 00:46:21.889
that to then be in a space where it was nominated
00:46:21.889 --> 00:46:23.889
for. Yeah, it definitely changed some things.
00:46:23.929 --> 00:46:25.889
Do you want to do your Oscar too? Sure. Wait,
00:46:25.949 --> 00:46:27.949
before I do that though. Coralie Farge. Yeah.
00:46:28.250 --> 00:46:31.610
Julia Ducarno. Yeah. Claire Denis. Yeah. Who
00:46:31.610 --> 00:46:35.289
are you choosing out of the three? That's really
00:46:35.289 --> 00:46:41.260
tough. Throw in Claire Denis. Weird. It's not
00:46:41.260 --> 00:46:44.780
going to be. I mean, she made. What was that
00:46:44.780 --> 00:46:47.920
movie she made? I'm drawing a blank. No, no.
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:50.820
I did not like it. Hold on. It was like in the
00:46:50.820 --> 00:46:52.900
90s, like the late 90s. She's made a lot of movies.
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:56.900
Mostly in the 90s. Not just because we're doing
00:46:56.900 --> 00:46:59.880
the episode. It's probably Julia. Here's the
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:04.019
thing. I really like Revenge. Also, I have one
00:47:04.019 --> 00:47:08.840
title. first debut. But Revenge is not as good
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:11.320
as Raw. Trouble Every Day. That's the movie I
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:12.460
was thinking of. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:47:12.860 --> 00:47:16.239
2001, I think. That was... 2000, 2001? No, I
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:19.380
believe that was 99? Yeah, late 90s, maybe 2000.
00:47:19.460 --> 00:47:22.300
No, 2001. Yeah, there you go. Damn. So, yeah,
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:26.960
I'd probably choose Julia just out of if I had
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:30.550
to. Because I do think The Substance is also
00:47:30.550 --> 00:47:34.429
an all -timer, but I like Raw and Titane better.
00:47:34.550 --> 00:47:35.849
I haven't seen Alpha. You haven't seen Alpha
00:47:35.849 --> 00:47:37.750
yet. I'm scared to see it. What about you two?
00:47:37.849 --> 00:47:40.570
Yeah. I pick Julia. No, no. I mean, of the three.
00:47:40.730 --> 00:47:44.510
Oh, it's Julia. It's Julia. Sorry to derail this
00:47:44.510 --> 00:47:47.869
conversation. It's Julia. It's Julia. Claire
00:47:47.869 --> 00:47:50.010
Denis has a longer track record. Sure, sure,
00:47:50.010 --> 00:47:54.349
but it's Julia. If I'm looking to the future,
00:47:54.710 --> 00:47:58.449
then it's Julia. If I'm looking at what exists
00:47:58.449 --> 00:48:01.730
right now, it's Claire Denis. The answer is Julia.
00:48:01.849 --> 00:48:04.710
What's your Oscar pick? My Oscar pick was Best
00:48:04.710 --> 00:48:09.920
Director. Okay. Respectable. My hot take's kind
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:12.079
of funny. I think the car should have been hotter.
00:48:13.139 --> 00:48:16.440
What do you mean by that? Like more fire? I think
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.219
it's a really ugly car. I think that, like, she
00:48:20.219 --> 00:48:21.559
could, you know, it could have been a sports
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:23.360
car. She could have had, you know. It's a muscle
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:25.679
car. It's a muscle Cadillac car. That looks like
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:27.199
it's dressed like Guy Fieri. It has to be able
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:30.800
to bounce. It's dressed like Guy Fieri. It's
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:33.099
got a bounce on it, crazy style, man. But that's
00:48:33.099 --> 00:48:34.860
kind of, yeah, that's funny, though. Yeah, I
00:48:34.860 --> 00:48:37.559
just thought - The car has to be hotter. That
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:39.900
is a hot take. That's the car she wants to sleep
00:48:39.900 --> 00:48:42.139
with? That's the one, you know? It's got to have
00:48:42.139 --> 00:48:44.800
more curves. Yeah, it's like - Would it be hotter
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:46.860
if it - There was a lot of nice cars at that
00:48:46.860 --> 00:48:49.159
place. If it looked like Lightning McQueen? I
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:50.920
would have taken Lightning McQueen, you know?
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:55.199
That's really funny. Just one Oscar? Best original
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:58.400
screenplay. Yeah. That's - Yeah. Yeah. Okay,
00:48:58.460 --> 00:49:00.719
here we go. Wait, your props. Your props. Do
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:04.079
your props quick. Oh, the car. The needle. Hair
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:07.519
needle. I got the needle. It's the baby. Obviously,
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.539
I want the baby. I don't want a baby. I never
00:49:10.539 --> 00:49:14.440
want a baby. It's not a real baby. I just want
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:15.780
a car that can do hydraulics. I think that's
00:49:15.780 --> 00:49:18.519
sick. Yeah, I take the weird baby. Yeah. Okay,
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:20.820
so now we're going to, that's perfect. I was
00:49:20.820 --> 00:49:22.980
hoping we'd have, we can spend the last 10 minutes
00:49:22.980 --> 00:49:27.400
pitching our sequel ideas. I'd like to start
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:30.699
with Elijah. Oh, okay. And hear what Elijah has
00:49:30.699 --> 00:49:33.539
to say. Mine's very quick. Okay. Yeah, I think
00:49:33.539 --> 00:49:35.710
someone, Dalton's cooking on his, but. I think
00:49:35.710 --> 00:49:37.469
mine's also short. Okay, good. Because mine is
00:49:37.469 --> 00:49:40.469
very quick. We can get to everybody else's. Think
00:49:40.469 --> 00:49:46.369
of a mix of the movie Rubber and Finding Nemo.
00:49:48.389 --> 00:49:53.309
So the Cadillac goes on a nationwide journey
00:49:53.309 --> 00:49:57.369
to find his long lost child. That's my movie.
00:49:57.409 --> 00:49:59.369
And it's a road trip movie. And it's a road trip
00:49:59.369 --> 00:50:01.630
movie. It is following an inanimate object that
00:50:01.630 --> 00:50:04.030
is running through and killing people. That's
00:50:04.030 --> 00:50:07.480
why. Rubber. Yeah. No, no. Well, rubber, yes,
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:09.260
but also. That's what happens in rubber. That's
00:50:09.260 --> 00:50:11.420
what happens in rubber, but also Alexia is, you
00:50:11.420 --> 00:50:13.380
know, that's what the Cadillac and Alexia share
00:50:13.380 --> 00:50:15.039
together is their shared love of killing people.
00:50:15.179 --> 00:50:16.800
So it goes through this nationwide journey of
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.380
killing people while also looking for the long
00:50:19.380 --> 00:50:21.780
lost son. You got a title? I don't have a title.
00:50:21.820 --> 00:50:24.659
Okay. I didn't think to think of a title, but
00:50:24.659 --> 00:50:27.199
mine's, I went a different route with having
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:29.539
it be set further in the future. So Car Baby
00:50:29.539 --> 00:50:33.510
is grown up and it's a he. He's a go -go dancer
00:50:33.510 --> 00:50:37.010
at a club and some shady things are going on,
00:50:37.070 --> 00:50:39.170
kind of like Crimes of the Future is what I was
00:50:39.170 --> 00:50:42.570
feeling. Sounds sick already. Vincent can still
00:50:42.570 --> 00:50:44.170
make a cameo because he can still be alive in
00:50:44.170 --> 00:50:46.750
this, but who I cast in it is this man named
00:50:46.750 --> 00:50:50.289
Louis Garrel, who is very French -looking. You
00:50:50.289 --> 00:50:53.730
might recognize him from Little Women. I think
00:50:53.730 --> 00:50:55.570
just like kind of being like seedy underground
00:50:55.570 --> 00:50:57.730
and he had some, some things that he's working
00:50:57.730 --> 00:51:00.329
through himself. That was kind of the idea that
00:51:00.329 --> 00:51:02.670
I was going with, with it. Okay. Nice. Do you,
00:51:02.690 --> 00:51:04.690
you didn't have a title. I do have a title actually.
00:51:04.769 --> 00:51:08.010
Oh, it is. Uh, I had it one second. I had it
00:51:08.010 --> 00:51:12.409
pulled up. I had a seer because it's steel in
00:51:12.409 --> 00:51:14.010
French. There you go. Oh, there you go. Cause
00:51:14.010 --> 00:51:17.989
it's steel. Yeah. Okay. Nice. Nice. Oh, is it
00:51:17.989 --> 00:51:23.429
me? Okay. So. I was kind of in the same ballpark
00:51:23.429 --> 00:51:27.849
in terms of time period as Maddy. So we're going
00:51:27.849 --> 00:51:30.570
to skip ahead. We could do senior in high school
00:51:30.570 --> 00:51:33.929
slash first year college. So we're following
00:51:33.929 --> 00:51:37.570
Car Baby, who is a dude. That's how I saw him.
00:51:37.849 --> 00:51:46.010
He is a virgin. Trying to figure himself out.
00:51:46.380 --> 00:51:48.420
Others are trying to figure him out. I can tell
00:51:48.420 --> 00:51:52.820
where it's going. And, you know, like, girls
00:51:52.820 --> 00:51:54.280
are all into him because he's all, like, angsty
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:56.539
and weird and has, like, cool stuff on him, you
00:51:56.539 --> 00:51:59.199
know. And then guys are also into him because
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:01.420
he's, you know. Angsty and weird and has cool
00:52:01.420 --> 00:52:04.239
stuff on him. Cool titanium stuff on him. Probably
00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:07.880
good at sports because he's reinforced with space
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:09.500
age technology. But it's really about, like,
00:52:09.500 --> 00:52:14.000
he very truly does not fit in. Like, he can't
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really get into, you know. So this is all set
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up. We get the dad in it like he's part of it.
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This is essentially a coming -of -age story,
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okay? So he's at a party of the, you know, he
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gets into a party of, like, one of the coolest
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kids, right? And, you know, goes out to grab
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a beer or whatever in the garage, and there's
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a car there. So now we're going to mirror what
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happened in Titane, and he loses his virginity
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to the car. Now, this is where also we're going
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to mirror Titane in that. instead of the human
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being pregnant, it is the car that is pregnant.
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Interesting. It's the car that's pregnant with
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a human baby. So now he has to, like, do we let,
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does someone find out, you know, do they have
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to hide the car that it has a human baby inside
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:05.019
of it? It's just a comedy of errors. Where is
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it gestating? In the trunk. In the trunk. Yeah,
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of course. And then again, mirroring to Tane,
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the last scene of the movie is the car birthing
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this. And then he's now he's now a teen dad with
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:24.019
also a car. Great. Do you have a title? I do.
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So what I did was in sort of the idea of being
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sort of not technically, but kind of opposite
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of titanium is Oz. Osmium? Osmium? Sure. Which
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is the densest naturally occurring element representing
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the polar extreme to titanium's low density profile.
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So you just go with the opposite. It also kind
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:50.159
of sounds cool. Osmium. Wow. So there you go.
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I like it. So it mirrors it, but it's your coming
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of age. I would like there to be a scene in there
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for when you write the screenplay. I'd really
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like there to be a scene in there where he's
00:53:58.420 --> 00:54:00.219
sneaking around with the cars in shop class.
00:54:01.460 --> 00:54:03.760
Well, see, that to me is in the first act, you
00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:06.440
know, because you have to set up that he has
00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:08.139
an attraction, right? But he doesn't know what
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to do with it. So, yeah, of course there had
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:11.639
to be a show. See, I mean, it kind of just writes
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:15.119
itself. I'd watch it so bad, dude. Yeah. All
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:17.570
right. That's a to be special. Oh, yeah. There
00:54:17.570 --> 00:54:20.429
was one. I went pretty different. Yeah, let's
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hear it. I want to start with the title. Sure.
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So I pictured... The Americans have purchased
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it, and they're going to franchise it. Oh, no.
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:32.719
Okay. Oh, God. And it's called... The Disney
00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:38.920
remake. ...Titan 2 Streets of Steel. Do you need
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:43.780
to say more? No, he's not. Okay. Also, for some
00:54:43.780 --> 00:54:46.199
reason, because I didn't know the gender of the
00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:51.079
baby, it's gender neutral. Sure. So what I wrote
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:53.980
was... Gender in neutral? Ooh. There you go.
00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:58.519
Ooh. The baby. That's a bar. Half man, half machine.
00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:02.139
Raised by a first responder, has uncovered the
00:55:02.139 --> 00:55:04.380
truth about their mother being a serial killer
00:55:04.380 --> 00:55:06.960
and has devoted their life to the pursuit of
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justice. With a spiritual connection to machines
00:55:09.900 --> 00:55:16.800
in a body of hardened titanium, they must track
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:20.400
down a new serial killer. Let's go, dude. I'd
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:22.679
watch the shit out of that. I just went RoboCop.
00:55:22.699 --> 00:55:25.039
I just went RoboCop. That's fantastic. There's
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:27.019
just so much to work with there. That's awesome,
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:29.170
dude. Come into contact with the... serial killer,
00:55:29.250 --> 00:55:34.130
and it's also a woman, and now the baby's like...
00:55:34.130 --> 00:55:36.070
The shock of it is... Well, he's not a baby anymore,
00:55:36.289 --> 00:55:38.510
right? No, no. He's a grown -up, but that trauma's
00:55:38.510 --> 00:55:42.050
still so real. Like, can I kill my mother, you
00:55:42.050 --> 00:55:44.789
know? A little trench coat, you know? That's
00:55:44.789 --> 00:55:48.010
a sick movie idea. That's a good idea. The title
00:55:48.010 --> 00:55:49.769
is phenomenal. Did you start with the title and
00:55:49.769 --> 00:55:52.250
work down? Can you say the title again? Titan
00:55:52.250 --> 00:55:56.219
II, Streets of Steel. Did you start with the
00:55:56.219 --> 00:55:58.360
title and work your way up? No. No, okay. I came
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:02.380
out of it. Yeah, I... Initially, I pictured,
00:56:02.420 --> 00:56:05.840
like, a motorcycle man chasing people through
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.980
the streets. Okay. And then... Watch that video.
00:56:09.059 --> 00:56:12.119
I know, I know. And then I was like... I don't
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:13.679
know. That doesn't really work because, like,
00:56:13.699 --> 00:56:16.619
the baby didn't have wheels, you know? That we
00:56:16.619 --> 00:56:18.519
know of. That we know of. We didn't really get
00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:19.840
to see the front. The face could have been. The
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:21.500
hands could have been. The face could have been
00:56:21.500 --> 00:56:25.019
a wheel, yeah. That would be funny. And then
00:56:25.019 --> 00:56:27.659
I was like, okay, well, what would, like, a half
00:56:27.659 --> 00:56:30.659
human, half machine do? And then I just, that's
00:56:30.659 --> 00:56:33.739
Robocop. Yeah. So I couldn't shake that. But
00:56:33.739 --> 00:56:35.860
I like the seven spin where you're, like, going
00:56:35.860 --> 00:56:37.239
after a serial killer. It's got to be a serial
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:39.820
killer, yeah. But I also, I'm like. Cool. Raised
00:56:39.820 --> 00:56:42.019
by a first responder, you're going to join either.
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:46.530
Totally. I like it. Look at us being some creatives
00:56:46.530 --> 00:56:48.889
right back here. This isn't as much fun as that
00:56:48.889 --> 00:56:51.389
was to put together and to listen to all of your
00:56:51.389 --> 00:56:54.750
pitches. It's not to demean the awesomeness and
00:56:54.750 --> 00:56:57.489
true depth of - Never make a sequel to this movie.
00:56:57.610 --> 00:57:00.010
Don't do it. Don't make a sequel to this movie.
00:57:00.190 --> 00:57:03.849
We're not demeaning how epic and deep this movie
00:57:03.849 --> 00:57:06.230
is, in my opinion, I think, and all of us can
00:57:06.230 --> 00:57:08.789
agree that this movie has a ton of layers. Yes.
00:57:08.829 --> 00:57:11.349
It is extremely rewatchable because of that fact,
00:57:11.449 --> 00:57:15.559
even if it's somewhat disturbing. And your mileage
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:17.940
will vary as to like, you know, some people will
00:57:17.940 --> 00:57:20.239
be like, Sam will be like, this is the craziest
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:22.659
thing I've ever seen. Or, you know, it's very
00:57:22.659 --> 00:57:25.079
uncomfortable, disturbing, fair. Some people
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:27.800
will be like, that's not crazy. Okay, fine. But
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:30.380
there's so many different layers to this movie
00:57:30.380 --> 00:57:33.840
where you can start unpacking like what the intentions
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:36.840
are and what's shown, what's not shown. I just
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:38.760
think it's a really - It's just kind of a beautiful
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:42.320
movie. It is. My biggest caveat is if you plan
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:43.920
to watch this movie, you have to watch all of
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:45.699
it. Because I think some people would tap out.
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:47.199
I mean, that's such a great point. And I think
00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:49.639
you have to watch all of it. You can't tap out.
00:57:49.739 --> 00:57:53.820
After the first 20 minutes, just stick with it.
00:57:53.820 --> 00:57:57.000
Pedal to the metal. You've seen it now. I would
00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:59.980
like to say that my Streets of Steel there was
00:57:59.980 --> 00:58:03.019
mainly just making fun of the idea of making
00:58:03.019 --> 00:58:06.920
sequels to movies like this. It was like, I don't
00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:10.619
want to see that movie. I want to see Robocop,
00:58:10.659 --> 00:58:15.230
yes. Of course. But I don't want to see... But
00:58:15.230 --> 00:58:17.690
if you are to watch it, watch it all in one go.
00:58:17.829 --> 00:58:19.750
And watch it on your birthday to keep with the
00:58:19.750 --> 00:58:24.050
tradition. Whoever's out there who's got a birthday
00:58:24.050 --> 00:58:27.469
coming up soon, throw it on. Throw it on for
00:58:27.469 --> 00:58:29.530
the fam. You know what I mean? The fam will be
00:58:29.530 --> 00:58:32.309
all into it. It is a story about family. It is
00:58:32.309 --> 00:58:36.110
a family movie. A father, you know, trying to...
00:58:36.539 --> 00:58:39.579
come to terms with loss. And sometimes family
00:58:39.579 --> 00:58:43.360
isn't by blood. Finding a new person to love
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:45.500
and take care of. It's a really beautiful story.
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It sure is. And on that note, come on out to
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Movie Trivia Night tonight. We're going to be
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:53.880
there in about an hour. And we will see you all
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:56.179
next week. Thank you so much for tuning in to
00:58:56.179 --> 00:58:58.280
another edition of Outside the Frame. My name's
00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:00.380
Elijah. I'm Maddy. I'm Mike. I'm Dalton. And
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we'll see you all next week. Take care of yourselves.
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Until then.