Optimizing Fun & Rest | Ft. Ashley Negron

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One thing you need to ask yourself is if you're
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being the best version of yourself when you get
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no rest. And so that's something that this book
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pointed out, that daily fun was an important
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part of that formula. And Ashley, when we were
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talking off camera, you talked about how obviously
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with our faith, we believe that rest is a commanded
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component. We believe that that's true. And if
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we were created for rest, then this hustle culture
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needs to have a... I don't like to use the word
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balance because every entrepreneur is going to
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be like, you're right. But there has to be some
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sort of intentional grounding. Welcome to the
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Optimizing Beyond podcast. I'm Josh Negron, and
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this show is all about sharing lessons, ideas,
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and strategies that sharpen your thinking, strengthen
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your habits, and push you to grow beyond comfort
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zones. Let's dive in. Welcome back to the show.
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On this channel, we talk a lot about optimizing
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productivity and being disciplined. And it's
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not often that we necessarily talk about rest
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and fun. And I found it challenging when I read
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a book recently about leadership and productivity
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and ended up being challenged the most by a chapter
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that was dedicated to fun. Scheduled, timed fun.
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Which made me realize that I did not have structured
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fun in my life in certain ways in a long time.
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And I actually had started developing some rather
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unhealthy negative emotions around this, like
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superiority, and maybe some ego and pride were
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involved as well. So I brought along Ashley with
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me to discuss how high performers can sometimes
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not have the best structured relationship with
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fun and share with you how we've navigated this
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topic. So Ashley, welcome back to the show. Thank
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you for having me. Absolutely. So on this, I'll
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start out by sharing kind of my own. journey.
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I used to be a gamer and this was part of my
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life for ever since I was a kid. So playing on
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consoles in the early 90s, we had the original
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Nintendo and on two different consoles throughout
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the years. And even after we got married, we
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structured in gaming time in certain parts of
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the day where it made sense, where I didn't feel
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like it was as disruptive to our time together.
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But I would say it still had a significant part
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of my life for many years. I'd say 10 years in
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our marriage. Is that about accurate? Probably.
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In addition to that, I had another hobby of working
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on cars. I would do a lot of upgrades and repairs
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in my garage on my various vehicles over the
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years. Both of those things were what I considered
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fun or therapeutic. And I'm not saying that they
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weren't, but I remember feeling a lot of times
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more frustrated at the end of those activities
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than I was going in. And so it was interesting
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just starting to recognize that they weren't
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as maybe therapeutic as I thought they were.
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I would have a frustrating gaming session and
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I would lose a bunch of rounds and I would be
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annoyed and frustrated playing online, especially.
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And then we all know in the cart community, you
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go out and just do one small upgrade should only
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take 20, 30 minutes, seven bolts break, and you're
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almost done. And you drop the 10 millimeter socket
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into the engine bay. It doesn't fall through
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to the bottom. So, you know, it's stuck in there
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somewhere. You don't want to leave it. You got
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to find it. It's your only 10 millimeter because
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you've lost. all the other ones. And it is just
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an absolute nightmare. And a 20 minute thing
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turns into three hours. You're working into the
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night. You're frustrated. Your hands hurt. They're
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bleeding. It's a whole thing. So I just remember
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multiple things kind of starting to eat at me
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with both of those things. And as I was getting
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more into the entrepreneurial space, there was
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a lot of business leaders and gurus and people
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on. YouTube talking about how gaming was useless,
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right? And so it doesn't, what does it offer
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you in the real world? It doesn't give you anything.
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And so it really started, I don't know if convicting
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is the right word in this context, but it started
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making me feel like maybe that that wasn't the
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best use of my life, I would say. And I had to
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be honest with myself, was this something that
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I was willing to give up? This was very personal
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to me. And so I was careful, especially discussing
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that with my gamer friends, because people can
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get defensive real fast, like, you know, whatever.
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you want to apply to yourself. You're like, I'm
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not trying to push this on you or anything. And
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I realized that that I was going to make this
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decision to quit. This was over about two to
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three years that I that I made this decision
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to do that. And I liked the time that I got back.
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It felt freeing. I didn't have the frustration
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tied to the particular games that I was playing.
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And so I was like, this is a win, overall win,
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and I'll take it. And so I even took it a step
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further and deleted all the games off my phone.
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The only one I left was Sudoku and all these
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games that I had accumulated, you know, Clash
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of Clans and Boom Beach and all of these like
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games that made you get into them every day so
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that you could build something or do something.
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I was like, nope, I'm out. Let's just cut these
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out. I want my time back. And that was good.
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And I started noticing over the years that it
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kind of built. for lack of better words, a sort
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of like superiority complex of like looking at
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myself if I considered maybe playing a game where
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I would get really aggressive with myself and
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go, no, that's a huge waste of time. And I would
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have like a really no grace response to that
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thought. And then also towards others, just in
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my head, I wouldn't say anything mean or anything
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judgy with people who are, quote, wasting time
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playing games or. You know, social media is also
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a huge, huge time suck for everyone, for all
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of us. And so I noticed that was starting to
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kind of grow. And it kind of reminded me of when
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someone used to be super overweight. One of the
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tendencies that they can have, one of the temptations
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is when they can feel judgy. with people that
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are where they used to be years ago. I have a
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friend specifically who was was pretty judgy
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last year when when he had gotten healthy. So
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and so actually, I want to ask you, like, throughout
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this, basically, at this point, we would be at
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like, around a five to seven year arc here. What
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were what were the things that you noticed the
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shifts? And and what did it look like from the
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outside of watching this transition? I think,
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you know, for a large part of it, more interested
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in pursuing, you know, entrepreneurial things,
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starting side hustles, those kinds of things,
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starting to just realize like, what are the things
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that other top performers are doing and what
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do they more importantly not do? All right. What
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habits do they have and what habits do they not
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have? And so how can we emulate some of those
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for people that we look up to? And so for. For
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those couple of different reasons, that transition
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felt natural. But also knowing that you had to
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be the one to make that decision. I couldn't
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nag you into trying to do that or be frustrated
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when you did. Because the reality is that I had
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my own version of things that I enjoy that maybe...
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took up just as much time as those other two
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things as well. And so I think the other thing
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that I probably noticed too is like specifically
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when you, yeah, gave up the gaming and maybe
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not as much the car thing, but like how you weren't
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as easily prone to frustration. I think sometimes
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those video games can really... we can get frustrated
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so quickly because things happen in them and
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that just keep, that would keep building over
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an evening. And so I think there were times that,
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you know, I felt like I had to kind of like,
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you know, kid gloves kind of a thing. Cause if
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you'd had a bad gaming evening, like then you
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were frustrated the whole evening or, you know,
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whatever that that might look like. And so emotionally,
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like I, it definitely affected mood, your mood
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in that kind of a way. And so learning to go,
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okay, well, this isn't, this has nothing to do
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with me. This is about this other thing, whatever.
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but also like trying to learn how to not let
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it affect more than just whatever time frame
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that you were spending doing that. I think it's
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important to separate those things as well and
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to not let that frustration, maybe from the game
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or whatever, or the working on the car, whatever,
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seek into the rest of the day or the rest of
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the evening, being able to, in that instance,
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compartmentalize those emotions. Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah, I remember those times well. And what's
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funny in transitioning into, you know, in the
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current time, in the current age, is that now
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I used to laugh. There was a guy at work who
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had always, at any given time, 150 plus unread
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text messages. And I was like, dude, that's crazy.
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I could not fathom having that many unreads.
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And I'm looking at my Mac right now. And I have
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64 unread text messages. Who's the crazy one
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now? So it's funny transitioning into a time
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where spare time is less available. I always
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feel like there's something else to do. And people
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who have a lot of things going on, you'll know
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what I'm talking about. And so there's this thing
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where, I mean, you really do have to prioritize
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and execute like we've talked about in previous
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episodes. And there are going to be some things
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on your list that... are likely not gonna get
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done because there's only so much time in the
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day and you can't get three hours of sleep because
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we're not Napoleon. And so you have to figure
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it out. And so if fun is on that list, it's likely
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gonna get knocked off. And that's what I started
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finding out over time that the fun things would
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just go to the bottom because this is the phrase,
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there's always something else to do. Right. There's
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always something else to do. Right. And so that's
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the that's the challenge that we've been talking
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about. And it's funny because you and I kind
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of do the same thing, but for like different
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reasons. I don't want to play around with that
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a little bit. So for me, I've been recognizing
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that I constantly am taking advantage of the
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atomic habit where I'll reward myself with something
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good. That's how I got myself to do devotional
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six years ago every single day that I can't touch
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my phone. or go into any other app until I do
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my devotional. Well, then that that motivates
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me because let's face it, I want to open my phone.
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So see who loved me this like the night before,
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right? So so I have to do my devotional and then
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I can get on my phone. So I want to use that
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reward mechanism, which is great. And so it's
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like, well, I'll do all these tasks. And then
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I can do insert fun task or call it a task, see
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the fun thing or whatever it is relaxation time.
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whatever. And what I have found literally over
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months and months of playing around with this
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is oftentimes I don't get to it because I run
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out of time. And even if I structure it to where
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like, no, mathematically, I will have time. A
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lot of times what you don't anticipate, especially
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in the middle of the day, are interruptions that
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keep shifting things and shifting the timeline
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to where you don't have time. And so for you,
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you shared that you want to do the tasks that
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you have written down, but you do it for a slightly
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different reason. Can you walk us through that?
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Yeah, I think for me, I have learned about myself
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probably specifically in the last couple of years
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when there is time to rest. So on a weekend or
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in an evening where we don't necessarily have
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a lot to do or we don't have prior engagements,
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I need to finish whatever tasks need to be done
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before I sit down in my chair or before we turn
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on the TV or before I open my... phone if i don't
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get those things done before i sit down the likelihood
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of me being motivated enough to get back up and
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do the task later are very slim to none and this
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is specifically probably more like on a weekend
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on a on a day of rest i would much rather get
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up get my stuff done and then be able to sit
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down and go cool i'm gonna watch this whatever
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on Netflix or I'm going to research for this
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trip while this is playing or I'm going to be
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looking and working on our grocery list for the
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next week or like trying to still multitask and
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accomplish things but not have to necessarily
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be like up and moving to do them. But yeah, I've
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really learned if I don't. if I don't do those
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things first, I'm not going to accomplish the
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things that I actually need to do and to still
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make our household function and to still keep
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things moving. I can go, what did I say? I can
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go from like 100 to zero really, really fast
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and then I stay at zero. Like I can hit that
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sloth mode really fast when I know there's rest
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days available because they don't happen often
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and because it's like there's a Saturday a month
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that's like, yes, we get to stay home and do
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nothing. But Also in the back of my brain, I'm
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like, oh, but I need to do this and this and
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this task is still outstanding. And I didn't
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get this done this week and I need to do that.
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Right. So it's deciding, OK, I'm going to allow
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myself or I'm going to, you know, take three
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hours and accomplish all these things around
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the house or work on whatever for our outside
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businesses. And then I'm going to sit down and
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enjoy. And so trying to figure out that balance
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has definitely been something that I'm working
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on. Yeah, absolutely. Like I said, you framed
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it perfectly. There is always something else
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to do. And in our case, that we also have business
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partners in the picture, there's a colleague
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I have at work that also loves working out. And
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he's mentioned recently, he's like, man, we've
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always made fun of him for like... maybe skipping
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leg day and those kinds of things. And he said
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to me recently, he's been putting in the work
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to doing in, in doing legs. And he's like, man,
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I'm pushing myself real hard because I imagine
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when I'm in the middle of a set and I'm thinking
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about not going up and Wade or maybe dropping
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away and like, well, Josh wouldn't do that. And
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so he's like, so the, the fake version of me
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in his head is pushing him to work harder. And
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it's kind of like that Michael Jordan effect,
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you know? And so, you know, where he was like
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playing tricks on himself, even when people didn't
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trash talk. So you'd play harder. And so for
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me, there's an aspect of a truthful guilt component
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in there where I know there's stuff that our
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business partners are doing and they're working
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really hard. And so I feel if I rest, then that's
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not fair to them. And so it's always pushing
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me to just do the next task, get the next task
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done. Don't wait till Monday. Don't wait till
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the next day. Just get it done. Right. And so.
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But one thing you need to ask yourself, guys,
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is if you're being the best version of yourself
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when you get no rest. And so that's something
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that this book pointed out, that fun was daily
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fun, was an important part of that formula. And
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Ashley, when we were talking off camera, you
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talked about how obviously with our faith, we
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believe that rest is a commanded component of
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how we're supposed to live our lives. And so...
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We believe that that's true. And if we were created
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for rest, then this hustle culture has an end
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to it. It needs to have a, I don't like to use
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the word balance because that's every entrepreneur
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is gonna be like, you're right. But there has
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to be some sort of intentional grounding. I like
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that better because balance just kind of like,
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oh, I think I found the point. You know, it's
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like balance is probably not a real thing. You
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have to be the one to choose to ground yourself
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in that. rest in that fun. And so Ashley, you
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talked about earlier how while you were describing
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watching me go through these different transitions,
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now that things are, I asked you just point blank
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how it was now that I'm constantly in like productivity
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mode. I don't, I don't know if I'd use the word
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uptight, but there's always something that I'm
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working on. I got my laptop and I'm working on
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tasks. And so maybe it is uptight. And I asked
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you, what's the, what's the biggest challenge
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now? with doing all those things. You want to
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share what you told me? Yeah, I think for me,
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it was the realization of that shift has allowed
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us. to not have as much spontaneity in like going
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to do little adventures. Like we used to be like,
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hey, let's go do, you know, let's go run, let's
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go run to Northwest Arkansas and let's go eat
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tacos and let's go for a drive or let's go, I
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don't even know, 25 different things that we
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could go do, right? And so I think now that it
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just feels like there's so much to do and there's
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always all of these tasks and, you know, our
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businesses keep growing and there's all these
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things and we have to keep all this stuff going
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that we don't have the flexibility. And the freedom
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to do that anymore. I do think a genuine small
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part of that is like our schedule at work has
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shifted. And so where we used to go do that in
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the middle of the week where there wasn't as
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many people around. It kind of felt like it was
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a little more like off season -y. Now our schedules
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are a lot more like everybody else. And we're
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both like, I don't know if I want to go be around
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and be out with all of them. all of the crowds
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and all of the people, right? So I think there
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is that tiny component of that as we've gotten
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older, a little bit more homebodies. But I also
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have noticed like, I don't feel as comfortable
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in being like, hey, we need to go do this. Like,
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let's go. What would you think if we went and
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did this? What would you think if we went and
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did like a little overnight thing here? And what
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would you think if we went and did this here?
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And so I think there's that lack of spontaneity
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and just silliness, maybe. Silliness maybe isn't
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the right phrase, but like that lack of spontaneity
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that's kind of been been missing and i don't
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think and so we started talking about that that
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i kind of realized the a little bit of a hole
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that that was leaving in in that that those are
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times that there was another level of connection
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and that was time even back to the things that
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we've talked about of like being intentional
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with your time together and being intentional
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with maybe even like little little date things
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i think that as a byproduct has kind of shifted
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to we're just we're spending our time at home
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more for a myriad of reasons, not all of them
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bad, but that has become a shift, if that makes
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sense. Yeah, for sure. We learned early on in
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our marriage through like even in premarital
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counseling and then afterwards that that there
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is a connection that's built when even when you're
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doing separate things in the same area. We remember
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learning about that. So sometimes we leverage
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that by I'm working on tasks in the living room,
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you're working on tasks in the living room, and
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we're together working on tasks at home or whatever.
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And so it's definitely been a transition and
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a shift to things like that and less of those
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spur of the moment. And you're right, some of
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it's seasonal with schedules and things like
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that. And there have been times where I've also
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reflected back to you where sometimes it's like
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if we had It felt like we were constantly running
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around, not getting a lot of like physical rest
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and, you know, always leaving the house. We all
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have those seasons where you're like there's
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you have zero nights at home until like two and
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a half weeks from now. You know, you're looking
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at the calendar like and you have some friends
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who want to play some, you know, play board games
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and you're like, well, I can get you in an October.
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And so in those seasons, I think I also recognized
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where. a few times you were like, hey, why don't
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we go and do and whatever? And I've been listening
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to some language in that season where it's like,
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I'm just really tired and we're going around
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and doing the stuff. And I tend to be more of
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the homebody and more of the breaks on those
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kinds of things anyway. I have to be aware of
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that for sure. And so sometimes I would ask the
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question like, hey, maybe we should consider
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planning some non -activity. And so those are
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just some of those things that we've been...
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like you said, we've been kind of meandering
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through in these changing shifts, right? In these
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seasons and in these transitions. But that's
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really what I love about this book and when we
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read it. And the book is The Elite Leadership
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Blueprint by Brandon Thorne Hill. He's a Navy
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SEAL. The part of this book that I said at the
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beginning, it totally took me by surprise. A
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lot of this other stuff, it was a very practical,
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dense book. We read it back to back because it
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was so rich and full of like practical application.
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But there was a... chapter in there about fun,
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structured, scheduled fun. We will have fun at
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5 p .m. today, you know. And the general idea
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was to plan 15 to 20 minutes of some kind of
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fun activity that is not on any planet productive
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whatsoever. It can be playing a game. It can
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be learning an instrument. Whatever you love
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to do, engaging in that on a daily basis, which
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is something I hadn't even considered before,
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which is crazy because I say all the time, daily
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anything changes everything, right? And so it
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was just, it blew my mind of like, hey. hang
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on just a minute. If that is something that you
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do daily, then, and it is like, I'll be vulnerable
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for a minute. I think when I look back and ask
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myself why I have those judgy feelings towards
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how I used to be, I think there's some of that
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where it's like, if it's not structured, you
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kind of worry about backsliding back. Right.
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So someone that used to be overweight and they
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got they got to a better weight by avoiding carbs.
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I talked to them a lot of times when they reintroduce
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carbs, they get a little nervous because I'm
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like, they're like, I'm afraid like it's going
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to magically explode me up. And it's like, hang
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on. You like you. You don't eat the same things
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you actually exercise. It's not going to have
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the same effect. Carbs aren't the most evil thing.
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But you get in these thoughts of like those ruts
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that contributed to. what we used to be and where
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we moved away from, there's natural concern where
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you're like, if there isn't structure around
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that, will it get out of control again? Will
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I game for over an hour a day like I used to
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when I was young? So if it's 15 to 20 minutes
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a day, that's a very small structured aspect
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that doesn't get out of control. So for me personally,
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who had that concern, games by their very definition,
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are gamified to keep you playing and so you know
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you can have your little cell phone game and
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you can get those little rewards and they want
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you to keep playing and before you know it it's
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been an hour and a half you're like holy smokes
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and so like you have to if you're gonna do this
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in a structured way you're gonna you have to
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set a timer or you have to engage in something
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that you know is a constrained time but even
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just that if you're looking if guys if you're
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looking for a practical application giving yourself
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permission to do something like this 15 to 20
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minutes a day has been very, very interesting
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to play with. I think we've been doing this around
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three to four months now after reading the book,
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and I'm still not doing it every single day.
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Weekdays are the hardest because we get home
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around 5 .30 to 6. You have dinner, that's 30
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to 45 minutes. We go to bed wicked early, not
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because we're old, but because we wake up early
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to go to work out and do our 4Gs and our devotional
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before. the gym and before work and so getting
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ready for the next day and the bedtime routines
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45 minutes at least sometimes even an hour and
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so you're left with like an hour of flex time
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like what can you do with that you know and so
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it seems it's tough to sometimes fit in 15 to
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20 minutes of whatever something you want to
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do when you only have that much of a sliver weekends
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is a little bit different. You're like, okay,
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where can I fit this 15, 20 minutes and those
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kinds of things. So, and for me, it's easier
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now to justify not keeping it until the end,
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the end that never comes, right? Because there's
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always something, uh, because now I know, well,
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let me do these four things. And then after that,
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I'll have my 20 minutes and then after that's
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done, then I'll keep working or keep doing whatever.
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And so I've been kind of playing around with
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the timing and it's been really, really, really
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rewarding, I think. I think fun, just like a
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lot of other things, it's so easy to make an
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excuse to not do it, right? It's the same concept
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of if you don't do the gym first thing in the
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day. There's every reason at the end of the day
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to not do it. You had a rough day at work. Your
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kid needs something. Something else is going
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to come up or I need to do this or I need to
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do that. And so that gets pushed to the wayside
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or even, you know, I mean, there's a million
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other things that could come up. Same things.
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Excuses can happen for anything. And fun can
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be just that same exact kind of way where the
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balance has to come. And it's hard to find that
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balance is between having no fun and then only
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doing slothy kind. of things on an evening and
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a weekend. I'm not saying that we don't need
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those things. I do think that we do need rest
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and we're still trying to figure out and play
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around with like, what does it look like to say
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we're going to schedule a weekend of just rest
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or we're going to schedule a day of, you know,
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no, nothing that we have to do. We're going to
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take a break from the tasks that we have to do,
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knowing that like it will still be there. I think
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that's, for me, like, this concept has really
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been floating around a lot in my brain and been
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really challenged by it, honestly, like, since
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Charlie Kirk died. And Sabbath and rest was one
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of his big core values and have really been challenged
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by the way in which he lived that out. I'm like,
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okay, if a man who ran a crazy big company, like...
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Turning Point USA can put his phone on silent
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on do not disturb for 24 hours and everybody
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knew it and life still went on. How is it that
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we can't do it for 12 hours, for 10 hours, for
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eight? Like even just, I think it comes out of
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communicating with people in our lives saying,
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hey, we're taking a break. We have some family
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members that do that, but I know on Fridays that
00:25:10.269 --> 00:25:13.250
that's their Sabbath day and their phones are
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off. I'm not going to hear from them. So if I
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text them on a Friday, I'm not going to hear.
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from them until Saturday, maybe Sunday. And that's
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okay, right? So I think it's giving ourselves
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permission to live in that rest, to disconnect
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from the utter chaos that can be our lives, but
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to do it in a way that brings purpose and that
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isn't just this unstructured day of nothing.
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It's okay, I'm going to put my phone on do not
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disturb and we're going to play a game today
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or we're going to watch a movie that we've been
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talking about or you know what? You know, we're
00:25:48.309 --> 00:25:51.089
Formula One fans. And so maybe it's that today
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for these two hours, we're going to put our phones
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away and we're going to just sit back and enjoy
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qualifying or the race or whatever that that
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looks like. And so you have to find what that
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rhythm and groove is for you and your family.
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And I think everybody's a level of comfortability
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and maybe even conviction around that can look
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completely different. And for you and I, like,
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we're still navigating what that looks like in
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our marriage. And in our, you know, in our businesses
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and how do we take care of ourselves in regular
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rest that doesn't just wait for the big vacation,
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right? That doesn't just wait for, oh, when we
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have a free weekend. If we don't plan a free
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weekend, it's not. happening. You just, rest
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becomes important when you make it a priority,
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just like any other habit in our lives. And so
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I think that's the biggest thing that we've been
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mulling over and trying to figure out in optimizing
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that and realizing like it is so important to
00:26:47.869 --> 00:26:51.509
our mental, physical, emotional, spiritual well
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-being to take that structured, fun, and rest
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individually, but also together. Yeah, you're
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absolutely right. And I love how you touched
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on that because we've identified things that
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we like to do individually and then those things
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that we can do and have fun together, right?
00:27:10.670 --> 00:27:14.089
And so because we're fortunate enough to carpool
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to work, one of the things we love to do is to
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listen to a fiction book. especially on the way
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to work. On the way home, we're usually debriefing
00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:26.539
from about work stuff. And so it's not always
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something we get to do on the way home. But on
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the way there, usually around 15 to 20 minutes,
00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:33.390
we get to listen to a fun book. And so that's
00:27:33.390 --> 00:27:36.009
been awesome, whether it's Harry Potter or Project
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Hail Mary were some of the most recent ones.
00:27:38.890 --> 00:27:41.329
That full cast edition of Harry Potter. Amazing,
00:27:41.410 --> 00:27:43.890
by the way. So much fun. So, yeah. And so those
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kinds of things, those are the things we do daily.
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And then F1 is a weekly thing when it's not,
00:27:48.849 --> 00:27:52.059
you know, canceled. And then you reflected that
00:27:52.059 --> 00:27:55.759
another thing we do together a lot is intentional
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time with friends. And so we have standing days
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of the week where we have people over or we go
00:28:01.380 --> 00:28:03.880
somewhere. And we've been doing that for over
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.470
10 years. And it's been a huge. impactful thing
00:28:07.470 --> 00:28:10.309
where it's relationships. You know, you got off
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of Facebook during Lent and then it was so enriching
00:28:13.589 --> 00:28:16.490
for you. You realized like, I'm continuing this
00:28:16.490 --> 00:28:18.869
and just the increased connection you talked
00:28:18.869 --> 00:28:21.490
about because you're, you're connecting with
00:28:21.490 --> 00:28:24.309
people now and you're, you're learning to control
00:28:24.309 --> 00:28:25.970
the things that you can control and you're not
00:28:25.970 --> 00:28:27.890
assaulted with a bunch of things that you don't
00:28:27.890 --> 00:28:30.490
have control over. And so those are just, those
00:28:30.490 --> 00:28:32.549
are awesome things that we were running through
00:28:32.549 --> 00:28:34.490
of like, just recognizing the different ways
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that we have discussed. that we like to do this
00:28:37.470 --> 00:28:39.630
and how important it is to have your own thing
00:28:39.630 --> 00:28:42.509
and also the things that, like you said, draw
00:28:42.509 --> 00:28:45.109
you closer together and keep you connected. And
00:28:45.109 --> 00:28:49.630
while we talk a lot about discipline on this
00:28:49.630 --> 00:28:52.509
show and optimization and discipline go hand
00:28:52.509 --> 00:28:55.529
in hand in a lot of respects, that's why I talked
00:28:55.529 --> 00:28:58.140
about... in the most recent episode about how
00:28:58.140 --> 00:29:02.920
discipline can be a prison and when it's taken
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:07.099
too far, it can actually limit you in certain
00:29:07.099 --> 00:29:09.420
respects. And so definitely give that episode
00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:11.980
a listen because that plays in right here and
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you have to have enough discipline to be disciplined
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about fun and space and rest. And like you said,
00:29:19.220 --> 00:29:21.839
for the right reasons and intentionality are
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important because We've all wasted time. That's
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not the same thing as rest and fun, right? Right.
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:30.519
And so sometimes you look like, man, where did
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.660
the last four hours go? And you don't feel any
00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:36.099
more rested. In fact, you might feel worse, right?
00:29:36.259 --> 00:29:38.799
And so that's where it becomes even, especially
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:41.539
if your margins are thinner, I think that's when
00:29:41.539 --> 00:29:44.720
it becomes that much more important to be really
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:47.259
intentional with the times that you do have.
00:29:47.420 --> 00:29:50.400
And one cool thing that you said today was that
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regardless of how busy, or stressed or any combination
00:29:55.170 --> 00:29:59.529
thereof, that joy is still a choice, right? I
00:29:59.529 --> 00:30:02.009
choose joy. That's the book that we do every
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day with the four Gs. And so it's an intentional
00:30:04.630 --> 00:30:09.089
choice daily to be joyful. And that is not circumstantial.
00:30:09.089 --> 00:30:12.369
And it's not based on how busy or not busy you
00:30:12.369 --> 00:30:15.150
are, or how much rest and fun you've had or not,
00:30:15.150 --> 00:30:18.180
or, you know. If things are not going well and
00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:21.240
not ideal, joy is really something that is a
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:24.240
choice of that. And so I think that fun and rest
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:27.160
can be a component of giving you something to
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:29.720
be joyful about. But like you said, I do love
00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:32.339
how you made that point that. that joy is a choice.
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:34.400
Yeah. And I think, you know, that got to play
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.400
out actually really practically this week for
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:39.819
me. There've been some crazy changes at work
00:30:39.819 --> 00:30:42.640
and as a by -product, I'm short some staff and
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:46.400
had the realization on Thursday late afternoon
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:49.279
that we didn't have anyone to work in the office
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.720
on Saturday. And the only person that was available
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:55.680
in any remote kind of way was me. And I had this
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:58.160
whole vision in my head of like, just make it
00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:00.299
to Friday afternoon. Like all you have to do.
00:31:00.650 --> 00:31:03.950
is get yourself to Friday afternoon at 5 p .m.,
00:31:03.950 --> 00:31:06.710
and then we're going to be great. We can chill
00:31:06.710 --> 00:31:09.130
at home. We can do a movie night. Saturday morning,
00:31:09.329 --> 00:31:11.369
I can wake up. It's supposed to be rainy and
00:31:11.369 --> 00:31:14.730
kind of cool, make a cup of coffee, sit at home
00:31:14.730 --> 00:31:18.650
in my chair, and I'm going to just relax because
00:31:18.650 --> 00:31:23.450
it has been a very good but hard week. And Thursday,
00:31:23.470 --> 00:31:26.829
I was hit very hard with, I am going to need
00:31:26.829 --> 00:31:30.200
to work six days this week. Right. I taking off
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:32.619
Friday was not not an option in any way, shape
00:31:32.619 --> 00:31:35.660
and form. And so that realization of like, OK,
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:38.480
well, initially I was really frustrated and I
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:40.920
was really emotional and I texted you. I think
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:43.440
I'm going to cry right now. And then I went,
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:45.819
you know what? This is a choice. Like you can
00:31:45.819 --> 00:31:48.339
go into Saturday and you can be really frustrated
00:31:48.339 --> 00:31:50.140
and you can be really grumpy and you can make
00:31:50.140 --> 00:31:53.240
everybody miserable around you or you can figure
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:55.900
out how to go. okay, how do I make the best of
00:31:55.900 --> 00:31:59.259
this? How do I figure out how to maybe rest next
00:31:59.259 --> 00:32:01.180
week? And we figured that out. And we're going
00:32:01.180 --> 00:32:03.319
to be able to take a day next week unexpectedly
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:06.099
and be able to spend some time together. And
00:32:06.099 --> 00:32:07.759
you know, I think we're probably going to go
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.059
on an adventure. And so it's one of those things
00:32:10.059 --> 00:32:12.859
that like, I could have chosen to have been so
00:32:12.859 --> 00:32:16.799
frustrated and so mad and been out of shape and
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:18.980
mad all day on Saturday. And instead I went,
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:21.569
okay. well now this is going to be an opportunity
00:32:21.569 --> 00:32:24.529
to hang out and spend some time with some people
00:32:24.529 --> 00:32:26.170
at work that I don't always get to see because
00:32:26.170 --> 00:32:27.769
I'm in a different role and I'm in a different
00:32:27.769 --> 00:32:30.009
space and it gave me some time to get caught
00:32:30.009 --> 00:32:32.250
up on some things heading into this week and
00:32:32.250 --> 00:32:36.230
I'm just I chose in that moment to find joy and
00:32:36.230 --> 00:32:39.009
to find the positives in what might be possible
00:32:39.009 --> 00:32:42.170
in the day rather than being super frustrated
00:32:42.170 --> 00:32:45.329
and super angry about it and that practically
00:32:45.329 --> 00:32:47.930
for me was probably one of those moments lately
00:32:47.930 --> 00:32:51.250
that it was literally an I choose joy moment.
00:32:51.390 --> 00:32:53.950
I wanted to be so mad and so frustrated. I went,
00:32:54.009 --> 00:32:56.000
nope, it's going to be great. great. And you
00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:58.240
know, we, we figured it out and we made the,
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.819
we made the best of the situation. And then today
00:33:00.819 --> 00:33:03.180
that meant today we were going to be intentional
00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:04.660
with the time that we had at home. You know,
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:06.279
I'd already made some commitments at church.
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:08.619
And so that meant that I was busier today than
00:33:08.619 --> 00:33:11.279
I would have planned on being, but finding rest
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:14.160
and relaxation in those moments that we did have
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.339
at home today. And even being able to reflect
00:33:16.339 --> 00:33:18.880
and talk about and plan for this podcast. Like
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:20.940
it's, it's crazy just how all of those things
00:33:20.940 --> 00:33:25.430
lined up of we. yeah joy is a choice and the
00:33:25.430 --> 00:33:28.029
way that you look at circumstances is a choice
00:33:28.029 --> 00:33:31.549
and so rough week still chose joy and you were
00:33:31.549 --> 00:33:38.369
awarded by lewis hamilton winning today hey first
00:33:38.369 --> 00:33:41.509
win right like we're ferrari fans and so i was
00:33:41.509 --> 00:33:44.950
very excited for that to be a reality and yeah
00:33:44.950 --> 00:33:48.549
just yeah getting to to relax and cheer him on
00:33:48.549 --> 00:33:52.069
and like watch that and enjoy that and just that
00:33:52.069 --> 00:33:54.750
fun that yeah just that fun of watching that
00:33:54.750 --> 00:33:57.630
together yeah and that's it there's nothing productive
00:33:57.630 --> 00:34:00.970
that came out of that except i did nothing productive
00:34:00.970 --> 00:34:04.579
during the race nothing and I needed that. And
00:34:04.579 --> 00:34:07.259
that is totally okay. You know, I didn't even
00:34:07.259 --> 00:34:09.019
like, I wasn't even spending time on my phone
00:34:09.019 --> 00:34:10.960
during the race, which sometimes can happen.
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.679
And I, you know, I was, I was engaged and locked
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.400
in, but like, I'm ready to go into this week.
00:34:17.019 --> 00:34:18.699
rested. And that was because it was something
00:34:18.699 --> 00:34:20.840
that I enjoy doing and I enjoy filling my time
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:24.340
with it. Like I genuinely feel rested and ready
00:34:24.340 --> 00:34:27.099
to go tomorrow morning. Yep. And I've taken 20
00:34:27.099 --> 00:34:29.659
minutes yesterday and 20 minutes today where,
00:34:29.739 --> 00:34:33.059
you know, I pulled up the, the, the, the track
00:34:33.059 --> 00:34:35.760
of the week and, uh, did it last week with Monaco
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:37.880
this week with Barcelona. And I was like, I'm
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:39.980
going to sim race a little bit and see what I
00:34:39.980 --> 00:34:42.599
can do. And it's, it's, there's something, there's
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:44.840
a cool connection with, uh, with the race week
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:46.940
when you do the track that. they're doing, you
00:34:46.940 --> 00:34:48.940
know, and then you're like, oh, yeah, that's
00:34:48.940 --> 00:34:51.099
that's where I that's a corner I was having trouble
00:34:51.099 --> 00:34:54.099
with, too. Sweet. So that's the thing, guys,
00:34:54.139 --> 00:34:55.980
like that's that's the three things I would challenge
00:34:55.980 --> 00:34:58.510
you with sleep. We talk about sleep a lot because
00:34:58.510 --> 00:35:01.369
it is something that we don't have perfected,
00:35:01.369 --> 00:35:04.789
but it is so, so critical in the foundation of
00:35:04.789 --> 00:35:07.929
rest. And so that's why it's so important. That's
00:35:07.929 --> 00:35:11.409
why our schedule is so, so routine around sleep
00:35:11.409 --> 00:35:15.050
because it is that foundation. It is the cornerstone
00:35:15.050 --> 00:35:17.650
of everything else. And after that, if you can
00:35:17.650 --> 00:35:19.929
just schedule, my challenge to you is scheduling
00:35:19.929 --> 00:35:23.610
15 to 20 minutes. You can probably, if I say,
00:35:23.630 --> 00:35:26.190
what do you want to do that you've not had time
00:35:26.190 --> 00:35:28.239
to do? do. There's plenty of things that pop
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.599
in your head. And so whatever that is, do it
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:32.960
for 15, 20 minutes every day is my challenge
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:35.679
to you. I'm doing that alongside with you and
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:39.179
trying to remember to do it on the weekdays because
00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:42.039
like we said, those are more compressed. And
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:44.699
then also find that time to connect with the
00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:46.820
people that are most important to you. So whether
00:35:46.820 --> 00:35:49.159
that be your spouse, your kids, or all of you
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:52.199
together, dinner time can be, and that's one
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:54.059
thing, like try to find times that you're gonna
00:35:54.059 --> 00:35:57.760
do anyway. Like for us, it's driving to work
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:01.000
or when we're carpooling. That is, we're gonna
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:03.820
spend that time together anyway. So how can we
00:36:03.820 --> 00:36:06.179
do it intentionally to connect and have some
00:36:06.179 --> 00:36:08.539
fun? That has been really helpful, again, when
00:36:08.539 --> 00:36:11.329
your time is compressed. And so when you, have
00:36:11.329 --> 00:36:13.650
crazy schedules and you know, you're not always
00:36:13.650 --> 00:36:15.809
with your spouse or your kids, your family or
00:36:15.809 --> 00:36:17.789
whatever. What are some things that, you know,
00:36:17.889 --> 00:36:19.719
like, okay. Right here, we're all going to be
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:21.780
together. How can we be intentional with it?
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:23.880
And that can be a challenge when others are involved,
00:36:23.980 --> 00:36:25.440
like, dang it, we're going to have fun right
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:29.019
now. But so bringing them around this idea might
00:36:29.019 --> 00:36:31.760
be helpful to communicate that. I challenge you
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:34.219
to do those three things this next week and see
00:36:34.219 --> 00:36:37.760
how you can reintroduce rest and fun in a different
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.800
way to try to optimize that. 15, 20 minutes isn't
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:43.099
very much. And so that is something I think can
00:36:43.099 --> 00:36:45.460
be not very, it has not been very disruptive.
00:36:45.820 --> 00:36:48.309
It's been more just trying to remember. to do
00:36:48.309 --> 00:36:50.570
it, right? And so let us know how that went.
00:36:50.750 --> 00:36:52.750
We'd love to hear it. Thanks for listening to
00:36:52.750 --> 00:36:54.969
the Optimizing Beyond podcast. Remember, growth
00:36:54.969 --> 00:36:57.429
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00:36:57.429 --> 00:36:59.750
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00:36:59.750 --> 00:37:01.829
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00:37:01.849 --> 00:37:04.869
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00:37:04.869 --> 00:37:05.630
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