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Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, what is up? Welcome to another edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Show, presented by Caesar's Rewards. Hey, if you haven't had a chance yet, go ahead sign up for free at NFL dot com Slash Fantasy. It is free, It is fun. Is the official fantasy football game of the National Football League. Do it soon. We are literally one week away from the start of the National Football League season this time in seven days we will be prepping for Chiefs and Texans. It should be great. So if you haven't had a chance, get your league set up and going now. They're still at the time to draft because of other big piece of housekeeping news. Starting next week, this show moves to three times a week Monday, Wednesday and Friday, and will be here with you. We can download it as you always do as a podcast, but more importantly, it will be a digital streaming show. You can find it online at NFL dot com. You can find it streaming in the app as well. Not to mention that if you somehow miss it, it'll be archived on YouTube. Just go to our YouTube channel at the Slash NFL Fantasy Football got plint to talk about today? We will dive through some wide receiver talk. We'll get through some late round RBS will also kind of tell you how to handle the end of your draft, because that could be just as important as the start of your draft as well. Before we get into all of that, though, talk to our faith for producer. Seeing you're Edward L. Murphy Esquire Murph. I hear you are on your way to Chicago this weekend. Have you lined up a list of places to eat at in the Windy City? Yeah? I mean we're lucky. Our producer here, Hythem, is from there. He's from the city of Chicago, so he's been giving me a lot of good tips except for want. He said, there's a type of like beer or booze from Chicago that tastes like pine salt, So I will appoy that. But I will eat the Italian beef. I will have some deep dish p probably a lot of it. I know Portillo's p quads um check out regular Bille. So he's he's giving me quite a bit of stuff to to go do there. I'm excited. Yeah, that's fantastic. I will tell you that old style tastes better at Rerigly than it does just anywhere else. Unfortunately, I know you won't be able to get it at really this time around, but just just a word of advice. It's way better at really than it is just out in the wild, So just something to remember. I'm gonna have it, and I hope it holds up to the hip because I'm gonna come back to hip them and give them my review of like literally everything I do there. So we'll see it. But I am excited for a no Cubs game, but it's still a great summer city. So it's it's gonna be fun, no doubt about it. Enjoy and you know we'll catch up with you when you get back next week. Uh. In the meantime, let's get into what we're gonna do today. And to help me out, it is the guy who would be my co host once a week. He will see him normally on the Friday show, but he's here with us on our final Thursday show of the preseason. It is Michael F. Florio, Florida. It's always great to have you back on this show and to be excited we are a week away. This is this is the end of the long dry off season, so this is sort of nice. Yeah, this offseason has felt longer than any because we haven't had preseason games or anything like that. And Marcus, I'm sure you're in a similar position as me. Like, I'm super pumped for next week, but because of the unknown of this season, everyone decided like to host their drafts a couple of days before the season starts. So like, I still have a lot of drafts in the next week coming up. Yeah, I got a handful of them coming up this weekend, So I'm trying to sort of juggle family time and draft time. I'm sure there will be some point when I'm like playing with the kid with the phone in one hand and trying to, you know, do both. So I will use that as my excuse if my team's end up being kind of crappy this year, be like, hey, you know, I was trying to be a good dad all at the same time. So let's start with some news. The big piece of news happened on Wednesday night. Leonard four Nette signs a one year deal with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It wasn't surprising that he got picked up fairly quickly after he was released by the Jacksonville Jaguars. So now he goes to Tampa where all off season long, we've sort of been debating who's going to be the guy in that backfield. But the first question is what do you expect from Leonard Fournette and Tampa Mike I right now, he is the running back that I would most be targeting out of this backfield if you want a piece of this Tampa Bay backfield, because I am of the mindset that his upside is simply the highest. Like what he did last year is still very impressive, you know, rushing for well over a thousand yards, the hundred targets, seventies six catches. I think he was kind of brought in for a reason here. But I will say I I'm not expecting him, like next week in Week one, to have these starters workload just being on the team for one week. So there is also an opportunity there, I think for Ronald Jones if he could do anything early on. But my expectation is he'll be eased in early on in and as the season goes on, we'll see him get more and more workload until he takes over that backfield. Well, you mentioned Ronald Jones, and on Thursday morning in his press conference, Bruce Arians told reporters that Rojo is still my guy. We still want to use him if we brought in Leonard four Net for a reason, because you can't have too many good running backs. There's also I've heard some rumblings that Lashawn McCoy may get some work as the third down back in this offense. We've heard nothing about Key Shawn Vaughan or dare Open Bawally in the last few weeks. So with all these guys there, knowing that you are not a Ronald Jones truth or what are your expectations for him this year? I think, like for me, I put it on Twitter last night, I think I would feel comfortable with for Net in the sixth round where like Jones was going and then Ronald Jones I still think is worthy of taking like the eighth or ninth round when you start to get to those high end quality backups, because he may not be a backup. But in my opinion, Bruce has said all of the right things when it comes to Ronald Jones, but all of his actions point in the other direction. Like first he inherited Ronald Jones, he wasn't part of the regime that drafted him. Then he takes over last year, this Bucks team, and what does he have Ronald Jones do split time with Peyton Barber and darry Ogan Bawally to me, who are just guys? And then Marcus, you remember this well. I remember it so well because you guys broke it down on Fantasy Live last year. But he was pulled in the first quarter of a game very early on for missing a pass block. That was a week after he had eight receptions, So it looks it was one step in the right direction, two steps back. And then since then, the Bucks are clearly going all in on this season, this two year window with Tom Brady, I think. And they still drafted a running back in round three. They still shine signed with Shawn McCoy, they still signed Leonard Fournette. So to me, all of those actions paint a picture of a head coach who is not comfortable with Ronald Jones being his lead back. I really tried to buy in on this idea of Ronald Jones getting himself in shape, kind of rebuilding his body, and he added extra muscle. He's done that two years in a row now, and so I was really sorting to buy in on this idea that the Bucks were still going to try to lean on him, give him a bigger role, even with Keyshawn von there. I had bought in on that, but now all of a sudden, everything is in question. My my concern has become that Leonard four Nett and Ronald Jones sort of cannibalize each other, especially if McCoy ends up in the mix, and that essentially you're going to have a whole bunch of bacts that are functionally unusable in fantasy because you just don't know how they're going to be used, how much they're going to be used, and what sort of production you're going to get. So that leads me to another question, and this is one that ended up in your Twitter mentions somewhat asking if you drafted both for Net and Ronald Jones, which is certainly a reasonable thing to have happened in this draft season, what do you do now? I think you have to just sit tight for right now because there's a lot of question marks with this backfield. I would not feel comfortable starting either one of those two in Week one, and hopefully you don't have to. There's no bye weeks, there's not a we know who is like gonna be active and who isn't week one It should be the easiest week of the year to set your line up. But at the same point in time, I wouldn't drop either one either, because what if Ronald Jones, like Bruce Arians, isn't lying, and what if he does get the first crack and he starts to run away with the job, Maybe he can hold off a Leonard Fournette or Leonard Fournette starts to take over. So right now, I don't think we have enough answers on this backfield. I would sit tight and keep them both on my bench, ideally not in my lineup, but I wouldn't be dropping them either. I worried about what to do if I have both of those guys. What do you think the trade value would be for either one of them? Do they Do you have any real leverage if you wanted to trade one of those guys. I don't think you have any leverage leverage with Ronald Jones because there's there's a lot less believers in him, I feel like, and there's a lot less like statistical reasons you could point to like last year and be like, look what Ronald Jones did. But I think with Lenon Fournette, still a former first round pick, still a name that's been going early in fantasy drafts while he was with the Jaguars. I just feel on name base alone, you may be able to sell Leonard Fournette. Especially there's people out there, I think who think he's gonna just come in and be the guy. So if you could find someone like that in your league who is still willing to pay a pretty premium price for Leonard Fournette, like one of those other fifth round running backs, I would make that swap immediately. I don't think you're gonna be able to get that for Ronald Jones, though. What I think is funny is that between Fournette and Ronald Jones, these were two of them more polarizing backs in fantasy and football this offseason, and so now we put them on the same roster, and I just feel like, however you feel about them, you are going to see in this situation what you want to see. If you believed in four net and not Jones, you're gonna believe that that four net scoring be the guy. If you were a Ronald Jones guy and maybe didn't leve for Nett, you still think Ronald Jones has a path. If you were on the fence about both of them, you've probably just washed your hands from the situation and completely walked away. I mean, this is maybe the biggest Rorschach test I think we have seen in fantasy football in a long long time. I was one of those people markets who I was kind of on the fence about both of them. So for me, I'm like kind of washing my hands and like, all right, this worked out, Like I I wish that anytime, you know, there was two players You're like, I don't know, like they just went on the same team, cannibalized each other, like you said, and then like we got more players that we can draft elsemore. Alright, More running back news, Joe Mixon has signed an extension with the Cincinnati Bengals four years, forty eight million dollars. There had been some concern that Nixon might hold out and wondering what that might do to his a DP. Now that he has that stability, what level of confidence do you have in him going forward in Cincinnati? I think Joe Mixon deserves to be in the conversation with the back of the first round running backs. Like for me, I have him behind the tier of Dalvin Cook, Clyde Edwards, Hilaire, and Derrick Henry, who I believe are like the middle of Round one running backs. But I think that Joe Mixon slides in nicely with me. For with Austin Ekeler Kenyan, Drake, Miles Sanders. I have him just ahead of like Nick Chubb and Josh Jacobs, but I think he belongs in that like the top thirteen running backs off the board. I know a lot of people will point and say, oh, well, Joe Mixon has never finished that high before. What makes us think in you know, year four of his career he's gonna do so, I think a big things when they haven't really thrown him the ball his three years uh in Cincinnati, but it's something that we know he can do. We saw him do it in college. So I'm hopeful that Joe Burrow will throw him the ball more. Maybe it was a quarterback thing with and Andy Dalton, but because we haven't seen that high catch total from him yet, I I don't feel comfortable taking him over back that I think will be a little bit more involved in their passing game. But I still think he's right on that RB one radar at the end of the round one. I know there's a danger in sort of parsing out the season and splitting it in half. But that said, I feel like what we saw from Mixing in the second half of last season was probably more indicative one of of his ability level, but also I think with how the Bengals want to use him, so I really feel like he's a guy that has top five upside of everything works well. But I do like the the asking price at the end of the first round. I would be willing to take that shot, especially in a twelve team league. If I'm sitting there somewhere near the turn, I would not mind taking that swing at Joe Mixing because I do think the ceiling is potentially high if things work out the way I think they can in this new offense there in Cincinnati. I ord to Washington, Ron Rivera says Dwayne Haskins is going to be the guy at quarterback. He's going to be the starter. I feel like that was sort of a given. I mean, I know Alex Smith has been a great story, but it just seems far fetched to think that after of this long layoff, after such a horrific injury, that he'd stepped back in and immediately be the starting quarterback there in Washington. But now that Haskins has this vote of confidence, how does this affect the way you see this Washington offense as a whole. I do agree with you. I think this move was a given. It just made sense for a rebuilding Washington team. I think Haskins like I, I agree he should be one of the last starting quarterbacks off the board because he didn't really show us anything last year. But I think his upside is a lot higher than that. He did play well at his time at Ohio State, and last year I don't think was just on him. Like interim coach Brian Alloway, took over and implemented one of the run heaviest offensive systems in the game. They were top ten in run percentage last year. He was only asked to throw the ball thirty times once and he only had one game of two and fifty yards, did not have any game with more than two pasts and touchdowns. But he did show us flashes at times. And what I really like about him is he peppered his number one target just with a hunt of volume. Terry McLaurin last year had forty five targets in the small sample size that Dwayne Haskins was the starter. No other receiver had more than thirty two. That was Stephen Simms at thirty two. So there's a wide gap right there. I I like Dwayne Haskins starting more for Terry McLaurin. And I think Haskins, if you're in the Best Ball or Super Flex league, is a fine QB three because he comes with some upside. But if you're in a one quarterback league, this guy is not on your radar. I would agree with that. And it's it's interesting you mentioned the run heavy offense at the end of the year. Last year, there were times it just felt like Washington was trying to run out the season. I mean, like literally did not just run out the clock and run out the game. They were just gonna run out the season and just let's just be done with this and let's start over. For I do think Haskins is going to get a longer leash this year. I think this is a team that is as you mentioned, they're rebuilding there, they're starting kind of from scratch. They're starting young again, and I know they've said Adrian Peterson is going to get the early down work. That's fine. I think he runs for you know, a couple of yards here and there, and then they're gonna have to throw the football because they're going to be trailing a lot. So Haskins will make his mistakes. But Terry McLaurin is a guy I know that pretty much everyone loves Antonio Gibson has been moving up because he has some value as a pass catcher there. So I think that you're right for Haskins. No one are very few people I should say you're going to draft him and have him on their fantasy rosters. But I think having that confidence in him, having that continuity, I think we'll do good things long term for this Washington offense. And so maybe there's a reason there's a sort of be hopeful I think. I mean, I don't know how you feel, but do you have a maybe a better outlook for him in dynasty? What what's your your your thought process for him if you're talking about holding him long term in a fantasy situation. I actually think in a dynasty situation like now might be the time to go out and try to acquire him, because I don't think his value can really get any lower like what he did last year. Who is feeling exciting about Like he routinely was putting up single digit Fantasy points as a arting quarterback in the NFL, Like that is bad. But to me, a lot of it is like what you said. I think they were just running out the clock on the season. They were looking ahead, like they knew that Callahan wasn't going to be their long term head coach. I don't think. But Ron Rivera brings a an offensive friendly system in here and what we saw with with his system out of Carolina. But I think Haskins right now the value is never going to be lowers. So just because of the upside that I think he has that he showed us in college, I think right now would be a buying opportunity. Yeah, I do think there the sky is bright, the future is bright for Dwayne Haskins over to Los Angeles. And this one is sort of near and dear to my heart because I make no bones about being kind of a Tyrod Taylor stand in a lot of respects. Anthony Lynn has said that Tyrod will be the starter in Week one. Not really a surprise there. Again, you've got a rookie quarterback that hasn't had a lot of work because the off season has been so weird. So Tyrod be in the week one started not a surprise. There have been some reports from the beat reporters they are around the Chargers that Tyrod could hold onto this job for most, if not all, of the season. How are you viewing Tyrode? I mean, I'm not saying he's gonna be a QB one. I'm not that crazy about this whole thing. But how do you feel about Tyrode long term? Maybe as a second quarterback, maybe in a super flex league now that we feel like Justin Herbert might not jump in immediately to take this job. I think Tyrod Taylor's role on a fantasy roster, whether it be in a one quarterback league or super flex, should be as your backup, because I wouldn't want him as a starter knowing that he could lose that job. But I do think Tyrod Taylor is going to be one of these players that is greatly going to outlive his a DP for however long he is the starter. I know they said for as long as they could stay in the race, So a lot of it depends on him. Like, how well is he going to play? How well are the charger is gonna play and remain in the race, because once they fall out of it, we know they're gonna make the switch to Herbert. I think though, because of the valuable points that he picks up with his legs. Remember when he was a starter for three years with Buffalo, he was always one of those quarterbacks who was like a routine like low n QB one, high n QB two. Even though we watched him and be like, this guy is not one of the top twelve fifteen quarterbacks in football, but in fantasy he is because he can run so much. But so I think he his value alone will outlive his a DP. But my concerns with Tyrod Taylor as the starting quarterback is for the rest of the offense because we've kind of seen what a Tyrod Taylor and Anthony Lynn offense looks like, because Anthony Lynn was Taylor's o C in twenty sixteen in Buffalo and they threw ran the ball fifty one I'm sorry, they passed the ball fifty one percent of their plays, the second fewest amount in the NFL that year, and in Tyrods three years as a starter, he averaged a pass and play fifty one percent of their plays. So to me, this looks like a team that I think it's gonna be built similar to that Buffalo team, where they're gonna try to rely on their defense, try to rely on the run game, and let top At out as Tyrod to do too much. I think he'll he'll be a serviceable quarterback, but they're not gonna ask him to suddenly start throwing the ball like he's Patrick Mahomes or something. Well, and I know we've talked about the Chargers pass catchers before on this show, with Tyrod kind of getting the nod. Have you moved any of those guys Keenan Allen. I know Mike Williams is hurt, but Hunter Henry, have you moved any of those guys down your board? Moved them up? Are they staying kind of about where you thought they would be? So I've moved them there much lower this year than they've ever been with Philip Rivers, But I haven't moved them with the news that Tyrod Taylor's the starting quarterback, because I thought that was kind of the expectation all along, like Tyrod's gonna start and however long they're in contention, he will be their starter until they fall out of it, and then we'll bring in the young kid and Justin Herbert. But for me, this is I think this is a bad move for the Chargers pass catchers Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Hunter Henry because, like I said, in in the years that Tyrod was the starter, they threw the ball fifty one percent of the time. Last year the Chargers through the ball sixty three percent of the time they were in the top ten. So to me, that's a lot of past attempts per game that you're gonna be losing right there. From the shifting quarterback, uh, the one weapon on the Charges. I was feeling outside of als Neckler because I love Alston Neckler, but I was feeling good about Mike Williams because I thought his style of play fit Taylor will Because Taylor isn't it get the ball out of your hands quick quarterback like Rivers. He'll you know, build some time with it by some time with his legs, and he's not afraid to throw the ball downfield, which is what Mike Williams excels at. So when Williams is back healthy. I think that that you can get a little bit excited for him, but the rest that their ADP, I'm kind of avoiding so full the scoloture. We had our NFL Fantasy Live Draft on Wednesday night, and in my final few picks as some depth ads, I did draft Tyrod Taylor, Mike Williams, and Hunter Henry because I do think that there's some opportunity, especially because I was I will say, I was kind of peaking at some of my bye weeks for my starters, and the Chargers have some pretty favorable matchups that line up with some of those bye weeks, so I feel like, hey, why not take this wing, especially at where the ADP is. If it hits, it's great. If not, then I'm not out a whole lot. So I will say thinking part of this segment was to make me feel better. I think you've got Hunter Henry outside the top ten tight ends, which is completely fine for me. Then like, but normally I think you have to pay a top ten tight end press room. So if he falls out the top ten, I think he's a pure upside shot. We're taking them. Yeah, And that was sort of my logic is feeling where he landed. I felt pretty okay with it, so I was willing to take the chance. Otherwise, if I had to get him what his normal a DP was, I probably would have been out Henry. So there you go. It's time for Performance Ready presented by Castro Edge. So we're talking about guys who should be ready for the season. Look look at some guys who have been rising up the a DP boards as we get closer to the end of fantasy draft season and who could make a bigger impact than maybe we anticipated coming into this offseason. So let's start in Washington. We talked about Dwayne Haskins being that starting job there and what this means for their offense. Antonio Gibson has been a favorite I think of the fantasy industry as we've gone throughout this summer. It started even before I think the various guys release. It picked up steam with that and it still is rising. So now I have seen him as high as round seven in a lot of fantasy drafts, which I liked it when I was drafting him in round eleven or twelve, a whole lot better in order for him to pay off his Round seven a DP. Floria what kind of numbers do you think he has to put up. I'm with you, Marcus, I liked him a lot more when he was going in round eleven or twelve. In round seven, I like, I went back last year and I looked at the top forty running backs and none of them had less than seven hundred scrimmage yards. So I think that right there, he needs at least seven hundred total yards this year. Uh and the two who had less. Of the top forty, there was only two had less. They both had thirty five plus catches. One was Terrico and who had over a hund your targets. So but I think if you're drafting Gibson in the seventh round, you don't want him to just be top forty running back right like you're expecting more. So, I looked in at the top thirty running backs and they're the only one with less than thirty less than eight hundred scrimmage yards was Treohen who again a hundred targets, so he can make up for a lack of scrimmage yards. So I think for Antonio Gibsons who hit uh and as a seventh round a DP, you need at least eight hundred scrimmage yards, and I think you also would like to see him around thirty five forty, maybe even a couple more catches than that. I know people like Gibson's talent that's undeniable, and I know that they're excited because Ron Rivera has hyped him up, saying we have a plan for him, we want to get him on the field. I've even heard they want to use him sort of like Christian McCaffrey, although I do think someone on Twitter went through and that seems to be Ron Rivera's favorite comp for a running back who catches passes that every every running back who catches the football, he says we want to use like Christian McCaffrey. So maybe we should. I mean, hey, I can't blame him at all, but maybe we should look a little bit deeper into that and not just run with it. I feel like when you're talking about round seven, you are talking about a guy that you would feel comfortable putting in your flex spot on a fairly regular basis. And I don't know that I'm there yet with Gibson, mostly because this is still going to be a bad Washington team. They're not going to go out there and I think score a ton of points week after week. They are still developing guys. There are still roles to be determined in this offense. And so while I like what Gibson's potential is, I don't think he has enough of a set role yet to make me feel confident that I can roll with him each and every week. So if I'm if I'm taking him in the seventh round, I'm looking around at a lot of talented players that I'm potentially missing out on, a lot of running backs who should get solid workloads, a lot of wide receivers or even tight ends who should get decent target numbers. So the rise has maybe a little bit hesitant, and that's why I think in the last couple of weeks, I think I backed off drafting Gibson quiet as much. So from there to Buffalo, you were a Bills fan. I love asking you Buffalo Bills related questions. Zack Moss has been a big hype bunny over the last couple of weeks. What do you see his role as and what do you see as the outcome this season for Zack Moss in Buffalo. I'm a big Zack Moss guy, especially when Devin Singletary was going like in round five and you were getting Zack Moss in like rounds nine sometimes, but they're they're a DP is definitely coming closer and closer together because a lot of people are attracted to Zack Moss for fantasy and I think the most realistic outcome for him is that he finishes as a high end RB three, but I think the upside is a lot higher. Uh. The role that I'm expected him to play in is a little bit of a larger role than what Frank Gore had last year. I think he can compete with Devin Singletary for the groundwork. I think he is going to be the back that they used near the goal line. Like last year, the Bills just did not trust Devin Singletary near the goal line. In fact, he was third in touches inside the tannin inside the five, behind both Frank Gore, who was well ahead of all of them, and then Josh Allen too. So to me, that shows that they don't really want to use Devon Singletary there. Uh, and they really like Bills GM. Brendan Bean has really spoken up Zack Moss his ability to catch passes and as a receiver, his ability to you know, just be an early down back, plus be that big goal line back. So I think it is very possible that he could come in and get a lot more work than we're expecting, which is why I like taking him as an RB three because I kind of think that's his floor if he's the one seeing those big, valuable UH touches near the goal line. But I think the upside is higher if he can legitimately eat into Devon Singletary's UH carries because I do think Zack Moss is going to see a good amount of receptions UH compared to Singletary as well. Yeah, and I think that's the part that really has gotten people excited. And at last few days those reports that Moss is going to be working theoretically in the passing game a little bit more. I have to ask what's the future for Devon Singletary there in Buffalo. It just seems like after last year they talked him up a whole lot, but the opportunity hasn't matched quite in the hype, and I just feel like, maybe maybe this isn't gonna work out long term with these two sides. My guess is the bills. They did not feel comfortable with just Devin Singletary. I think they feel like he needs another piece there, and which is why part of me thinks that Zack Moss being the bigger back. They both were third round picks. Zack Moss I think comes with a little bit more production in college and a little bit more hype than Devin Singletary coming out, So I wouldn't be surprised if in time Zack Moss becomes the lead back here in Singletary is kind of the complementary piece. I do think though, he will still have a role even if Mass starts to take over, Like I don't think Singletary ever goes away, which does cap the upside both of these players. But again to me, that it's just another reason to take Zact Moss because the ADP is less, so the risk is just less. Yeah, Devin single Arry, to me, has become one of those cautionary tales of overvaluing talent and maybe overlooking opportunity. The talent seems to be there, the opportunity doesn't seem to be there right now for him and Buffalo over to Green Bay A. J. Dillon kind of shook up the Fantasy Twitter world, and we saw pictures of him in his workout gear with these ginormous thighs that looked like he stole them from an elephant at a local zoo. So what does him be in Green Bay mean for Aaron Jones, who we already thought was a huge candidate for regression this year. Yeah, Aaron Jones last year scored thirty six percent of his Fantasy points off of touchdowns. That simply was not going to happen again. He had nearly twenty touchdowns. I mean, we just weren't going to see that. So I was already expecting as everyone was, like some heavy touchdown regression there. But then they bring in Dylan, who is huge, like you said, And my biggest fear is that with Aaron Jones this year, he is gonna have to split time in the red zone with Dylan and then in between the twenties with Jamal Williams, And I am just fearful that this can become an absolute nightmare for Fantasy. Like you bring in Dylan, I wouldn't surprise me if they use him near the goal line to kind of prevent Jones from having to take those hits. And they keep Jones fresh throughout the season and they get you know, they get to use Dylan as well, who they just paid a premium draft capital for. And then also let's not forget the like Jamal Williams was still heavily involved, especially in the passing game. Last year, he was running over fourteen routes per games, seeing three point two targets per game, and that may not sound like a lot, but Jones was only seeing four point three. So Jones was averaging one target more per game than Jamal Williams. And for forever, with these two backs, all we've heard about is Jamal Williams pass blocking and how much Green Bay loved it. I know it's a uh we've seen a different regime since these two have been brought in, But even last year, like Jamal Williams was used in that role. So I don't really have a lot of uh Aaron Jones. I haven't been drafting him a lot because you still got to pay that second round price. And for me, this can become an all out fantasy nightmare if they use all three of those running backs. I don't think I have drafted Aaron Jones on any fantasy roster. I was sort of relieved to see the ADP come down a little bit, because I feel like in March and April people were still drafting him in the first round. And I think that has sort of calmed down. But because of all the things you said, I mean, Jamal Williams still being heavily involved, now a J. Dillon reportedly getting involved, it has gotten me completely out on Aaron Jones this year. In fact, really, besides Davante Adams, I don't know that there are any packers that I'm really excited about this year, so I've generally kind of stayed away in a lot of respects. Speaking of Davante Adams, his a DP has been pretty steady all off season long. And the thing that I noticed, it feels like the wide receivers for the most part, have remained relatively flat when it comes to their A d p s. The running backs have been all over the place. I mean, it feels like any piece of news since a running back a DP, you know, either moving up or moving down in quite a big way. Why do you think that is? I think I am partially to blame for this, uh, myself and a lot of other fantasy football analysts and then banging the drum like, hey, the elite running backs, they go and they dry up fast, so like get them early on, and like, over the last couple of months, it's become more and more common to see like ten or eleven in the first twelve picks in the in the twelve team league be running backs. So I think when you see like thirteen of the first fifteen picks in most strafts be running backs, and then you have Michael Thomas and Davante Adams sprinkled in there, people see that and they're like, oh man, my RV two is gonna be bad. I need to I need to not miss out on these running backs because they're going so heavy off the board. And then there's also a lot of wide receivers that myself that I like, and a lot of I know, other fantasy analysts like in round four or five, six and that range. So I think that a lot of people feel like, all right, I can wait on receiver and still I won't get you know, a top Tan Wade receiver, but I'll still get someone completely serviceable from my starting lineup. But running back if I wait, I might be you know, drafting like Kareem Hunt is my RB two, and I really like Kareem Hunt, but I like him more as an RB three where you don't need to be starting him well Nick Chubb is there because we don't know exactly how that workload is going to get distributed, Like I wouldn't want like a Devin Singletary or really any of those round five running backs as my RB two. So I really am trying to get too early, and I think a lot of people feel that same way. And I think it's just because the running back position drives up a lot faster than receivers, so people are are really trying to get their running backs early now. Earlier this week, I had Danny Carter on this show, and he is obviously a huge advocate of the zero RB theory, and I know there are people that are still trying it. It just feels like this is a year that it's really hard to do because so many running backs are coming off the board early. And I think you're right. The fear is suddenly you're looking around and you're running backs are Devin Singletary and Kareem Hunt, which is great if you have them as sort of depth backs. As flex options not so great. If you feel like those are the guys you have to use on a regular basis weekend and week out. That was Performance Ready by presented by castrol Edge. It's time for Secure Starts presented by Visa for Peace of Mind. Online Visas got you covered. So for piece of mine, we're looking at what I'm calling these solid seconds. These are wide receivers that aren't in that top tier, that are maybe going in some of the middle rounds, that you might feel confident with as your wide receiver to this year. So well, first off, when you get past those first three rounds of Florio and you know the elite guys are gone, and you're starting to look at maybe that second wide receiver, what sort of things are you looking for before you make a pick. I want volume, and I want upside, and this year that is my favorite tier. Like these second wide receivers. I often will start a draft with two or three running backs, So I am looking for, you know, guys who I think are gonna be safe each week, that I can have in my starting lineup, that I know aren't just gonna be complete boom or bust options. But I also am looking for players that I think can take that next step and potentially go off the board next year as a wide receiver one. And some names that I really like, like Robert Woods you can get in the fourth round, and his teammate Cooper Cup too, but also like A J. Brown, Terry McLaurin. A little bit later, there's Marquis Brown, and then there's also like Tyler Lockett DK Metcalf. There's so many wide receivers in that range that I I don't like going zero why RB and taking two wide receivers early, primarily because then I'm take running backs at this portion of the draft, and I love all of these wide receiver twos. I don't mind double dipping and getting two of them into my lineup that I feel really good about because again, they're gonna have that same volume each week, and they have the upside to take the next step. In fantasy. You mentioned that, and I went through and sort of looked at the running back a DPS and actually get past maybe Chris Carson somewhere late in the third round. There's just a big group of running backs that I just don't feel great about going from anywhere from round round four, maybe the end of round seven or middle of round eight. It's not until I get to sort of that back part of the running backs that I start to feel better again about the upside guys. In the meantime, all those wide receivers you mentioned are guys that you know it is. It is like a shopping spree sort of in the middle of that, You're looking through and everything seems great and every option seems to really have some value to it. You mentioned Cooper Cup, and this is a guy you talk about volume. We know the volume has been there for him. We know the upside has been there because Jared Goff loves him and looks for him when he tends to get in trouble. There for some reason, he's fallen outside of the top twelve wide receivers. I'm thankful for the draft discount, but why do you think that is? I think a big part of it is like last year, the first eight weeks of the season, he was looking like a top five wide receiver and then he kind of came back down to earth after that. But to me, the biggest thing, and I actually I have Bobby Trees ahead of Cooper Cup in my PPR rankings this year, and the biggest thing is because last year when the Rams made their their offensive switch from using the three wide receiver sets using more of a two tight end set that we really saw Tyler Higbee take off in Cooper Cup really struggled, especially for volume, like his routes. He was running less routes per game than Tyler Higbee. He was only seeing six targets per game where Woods and Higbee were over eleven. His receptions were below those guys. His receiving nerds was list than sixty per game. In that in those final five weeks. Really kept him Fantasy relevant was that he scored five touchdowns in those five games. And that is what I think you can rely on Cooper Cup four and that is why he's still a wide receiver to for me in my top twenty, because when the Rams get near in the red zone and near to the end zone, you know that's who Jared Goff is going to throw the ball to. Cooper Cup and him just have that connection there. But I think the fact that we saw his numbers take such a big hit when the Rams switched to twelve personnel, and we don't know if they're going to carry that over this year or not. I think that gives us a little cause for paulse and just to to go no Marcus. A great friend of yours, Matt Harmon does great work with reception perception, and he pointed out that Cooper Cup is one of the very best against zone coverage, but really struggles against man to man. So that is another thing I think you have to worry about with Cooper Cup if defenses are going to attack him differently this season. I'm with you on Robert Woods having a big season. I love him. I was sort of frustrated and on Wednesday night when Adam Rank reached into the beginning of the third round and grabbed him before I could get to him. But I've had drafts where I've seen Cooper Cup on the board in the mid the late fourth round, and I will gladly take him there if he's gonna fall that far, because everything you said is correct, but I still love the upside and if I can get him in the late fourth round, I'm gonna take that all day long. In Jacksonville, DJ Chark seems to be the only really consistently drafted Jaguar offensive skill player there. What's his ceiling you think in I think he has wide receiver one upside Like, I don't have him ranked as a wide receiver one, but to me, he comes in this group, this tier where all of these high ceiling wide receiver two's that we know are gonna get save volume. I think he is one of these candidates that can take that next step. And I think it's kind of just a perfect recipe. It's why I like Gardner Minshew as much as I do. I think the Jaguars, they've lost a ton of pieces on defense. They're not going to be the team that they were a couple of years ago. I expect them to be trailing late in games often, which usually leads to a lot of a lot more passing volume late in the game and a lot of garbage time points. And I know we could say, oh, it's garbage time, but they matter for fantasy football. And we saw last year that Gardner Mitschew clearly has a rapport with DJ Chark and Jake Gruden has been brought in now, and Jake Gruden historically has been a past happy coordinator, and Jay Gruden has also gotten the best fantasy seasons out of Kirk Cousins and Andy Dalton, So I think he could do that with Gardner Minshew, and I think DJ Chark is going to be clearly the number one target there. So I think he's a top towny water receiver who has the upside to take that next step. Hashtag garbage points still count. It is a thing that I tweet repeatedly during the NFL season. We talked earlier in the show about the Chargers and you talked about how you feel about their past catchers. Keenan Allen loses Philip Rivers, t Y Hilton gains Philip Rivers. It's not often you see a at are in quarterback making this sort of move and still having some sort of fantasy relevance. You talk about how you're not excited about what Tyrod Taylor means for the Chargers pass catchers. Does that mean you feel better about what Philip Rivers means for the guys in Indianapolis? And are you feeling better about t Y Hilton than you are about Keenan Allen. I have those two back to back in my rankings, and to me, they all they're all behind those that whole group of that tier of wide receivers. We were just talking about these high upside guys. Who could take that next step for me, they're both behind him, and the true answer for me is usually passed, like I'll take Marquis Brown over both of those guys. And I wish you could switch the quarterbacks on these two teams because Keenan Allen, I think, is a He's a great route runner, one of the best in the league. He relies on timing and precision with his quarterback, and maybe him and Tyrod Taylor will have that. But Tyrod has shown us that he's a quarterback that will hold onto the ball a little bit longer, throw the ball a little bit more downfield. And we have three seasons of Tyrod Taylor as a starter. His best wide receiver in any of those seasons was Sammy Watkins, who finished with sixty catches UH just under a thousand and fifty yards and nine touchdowns. And Keenan Allen routinely goes for well over eleven hundred and over a hundred receptions. So I think that naturally, in this slower paced offense, that and less pass happy offense, that his numbers are gonna take a hit. And then when it comes with t Y Hilton, we love t Y because he's such a field shier, he's so dynamic. But last year Philip Rivers really struggled on the deep ball. Uh And in the four years that we have of next gen stats, it was by far his worst completion percentage, fewest amount of touchdowns thrown, most interceptions thrown on passes of twenty or more air yards. So maybe that was just because their old on was really bad, and maybe he could rejuvenate himself with a much better alone in Indianapolis. But he's struggling. An older quarterback on a new offense, with this type of preseason, who struggled on the deep ball last year through more interceptions than ever, really wasn't a good season for him. I don't want to tie like my Wade receiver two to that guy. I have told myself a story where I can sort of believe in Keenan Allen. I mean this this goes back to me being uh an unabashed tirod stand. I have not been able to pin down what I feel about t Y Hilton this year, and maybe some of it is because of last year. There was so much uncertainty. Jacoby Brissette was he was a seat filler. He was kind of a bridge quarterback to get them to the next spot for and beyond. But because of that, I just have not been very confident really in any cults pass catchers, if anything. You know, I've I've gotten big on Jonathan Taylor. I've taken some some shots at Michael Pittman later in drafts, but I just have not been able to get a handle on what this Colt's offense is going to be with Philip Rivers. So I always say that if we asked these questions, sometimes the best answer is neither. And it seems like that's sort of where you've landed right now, that that really it is neither of these guys. Yeah, I don't I don't know if I have either one of them on any of my team so far. And I'm with you, Marcus. Jonathan Taylor is who I want here and I was a little sad he sniped me in the Fantasy Live Draft. I feel like I got you a couple of times. I got you on Taylor, and I think I got you on Taylor Higby as well. Both of those I was sitting there, Like with Taylor, I was I almost took him in round three and then when he made it all the way back, and I was even before you were up. I was like, Marcus is the one that I'm most worried about taking him. And then when I was like, please don't do it, but I knew you didn't have a tight end, I was like, Marcus is gonna pull? Because it hit me just fell, I thought it was a good value. I was like, Marcus is gonna take him here? That one hurt a little bit, you know what. And normally I tended to stay away from Higbie. But because he fell, and because I needed a tight end, you know, I had Mike GASICKI I had Blake Jarwin in the queue, but Tyler Higby was sitting right there. I couldn't not do it. And when I saw you get upset in the chat, I knew I had done a good thing that made me feel better. That was secure starts presented by Visa. It's tide for high upside presented by Caesar's Rewards. So we talked about high upside. Let's look at some late round running backs. These guys you're putting on your roster to maybe give you some depth and maybe things break right. They get themselves into a bigger role. So Michael Florio, Michael left Florio, What is it that you look for when you are drafting these sort of secondary maybe depth at running backs? What what kind of attributes are you looking into. I kind of sound like a broken record, I think at this point. But for me, it's all upside, like after the middle rounds, Like that's what I want. I just want someone who has a pretty clear path to a starting role, Like I could see how this running back may get throst it into the starting lineup. Like for one running back I like later, it's like Bryce Love and I like him a lot because Antonio Gibson is still learning how to play running back at the NFL level. Adrian Peterson is awesome career wise, but he's getting up there in age, and this is a rebuilding team that I think would want to see what they have in their young running back and may make that switch. So I want backs who I can see taking over the starting job and if they do, what is their upside? Like I really like the like the elite backups and like Chase Edmunds, Tony Pollard and that group of running backs because if anything happens to the starters, those guys can flirt with being RB. One's getting the lion's share of the workload there. But then you have teams like the Falcons, Like if anything happened to Todd Gurley, I have no idea who the next man up is. Maybe it's Titi Smith, maybe it's Brian Hill, maybe it's Ollison. I don't know, so I avoid that, like Daryl uh Henderson on the Rams is someone that I have a good amount of shares of because I am a cam Acres supporter, but you his a DPS and the double digits, and he is a chance of being the lead back to open up the season for the Rams. Like, yes, to me, that is an upside shot we're taking, and if those backs don't hit, then I'll just keep taking upside shots on the waiver wire and hoping something hits, rather than stashing someone like Adrian Peterson who can give me a safe nine or ten points each week. Yeah, I think that's sort of the thing. And I know the analogy has been made that you don't win necessarily by hitting singles and doubles. You win by swinging for the fences and trying to get those home run shots. And I think that's what you're sort of getting at when you're talking about these young running backs that have upside. I know I've said repeatedly that I like Jordan Howard and I do think he's a safe option in the middle of drafts. But but if I'm looking late in drafts, I do want those younger guys. I mean, the guy that I was really big on, especially early in draft season, was a Darnton Evans who has an ability to be a pass catcher. I have seen comparisons to maybe being like Alvin Camara Lights in terms of his usage there in Tennessee. And if anything were to happen to Derrick Henry, Evans suddenly walks into a big opportunity there with the Titans. So I'm definitely with you on that. So, speaking of that, there is a running back to battle going on in l A with the Chargers. Austin Ekeler obviously has the starting job on lock, but there has been an interesting camp battle between Justin Jackson and Joshua Kelly. How would you prefer to see this thing end up in l A. I would prefer to see Joshua Kelly win the job. I think Justin Jackson is best suited as that third running back in case anything ever happens to Austin Ekeler, he could come in and be your past catching back. Josh Kelly is huge. I don't know if you want him out there as your your past catching specialists. He's five eleven to twelve, so that's a big boy, I think you can. My expectation for this backfield is I think it's gonna operate a lot like the Saints, and I think Austin Ekeler is going to play that Camaro role where he will dominate the passing work. I don't think people realize how much Melvin Gordon played a factor in the past and the game last year, averaging nearly five targets per game in fifteen routes per game. So I think Austin Ekeler is gonna just dominate passing down duties this year, and then I think they will split the groundwork like I do. Think all Sickler is going to see more groundwork than he did last year. But I also I think Joshua Kelly could give you a hundred and fifty carries this year as his team likes to while I'm expecting them to like to run the ball a lot. My only fear with Josh Kelly is that he's huge. Like I said, I'm fearful because I like Eckler so much that Josh Kelly can come in and steal some of those valuable goal line touches the way. But then I see Alston jumping over five pens and I'm like, I think he can jump over an offensive line just fine. Yeah, I will say I know that. I feel like the Joshua Kelly hype has been slow to build, and and it's understandable one because u c l A was not getting a lot of national television exposure. They have not been a very good program over the last few years. And I'm not saying that just because I am a USC alone. I mean it's it has been a fact. So because of that, Kelly's exposure has not been as great, I think to the rest of the country as a lot of people would expect. But this is a really good running back who's gonna have a really good opportunity. I will say that, if there's anything that gives me confidence about the situation, it's that I feel like Anthony Lynn has a pretty hard line of demarcation, right, I mean, he has pretty defined roles within his backfield. So whoever it is that gets that RB two job, I don't think we'll have to worry about sort of a muddled situation behind Eckler. There's going to be I think, a clear number two. So whoever it is that gets that job, I think you can draft that player with a fair level of confidence that that he is going to get a decent workload there in l A. A situation that may not be so clear is in New England, where I won't say Belatricks are back because I don't think that's accurate. But we've got a battle brewing between Sony Michelle and Damien Harris. Now I know Harris is dealing with a hand injury, so he may miss the season opener, but I don't think this battle is going to just completely go away. What do you see as being the outcome of of Michelle versus Harris? There with the Patriots, this is a murky situation because there's these two in then there's still Lamar Miller, Rex Burkhead and James White. So my approach when attacking this backfield, though, has been to take the the unknown him Damian Harris, right like, I do think that he has higher upside than Sony Michelle. Uh. He has been the running back that I've been targeting here, but his ADP is starting to climb. See him going like twelve eleventh round in some drafts while Sony Michelle is falling. The reason I'm so low on Sony Michelle is he is not who he was in Georgia at least, we haven't seen that same back in the NFL. We know he has some knee issues. That's why that was the concern with him coming out of college, and it's translated into the NFL level. He hasn't had the same burst. They've never really used him as a pass catcher, so that limits his ceiling right there. And what he was so useful for in years past was those short yards touchdowns. Last year it's twelve carries inside the five yard line, scored five touchdowns there. Well, now they have Cam Newton, who for years with the raven with the Panthers was just vulturing touchdowns when they would get near the goal line. So I have legit concerns that if Cam Newton even takes away to three of those touchdowns, what is Someny Michelle season going to look like? Because last year he had one touchdown from from further out than five yards, and he's three in his careers, so to me, the upside on him is severely kept. But I will say I was in the draft the other night and he fell to the fifteenth round of a twelfth team draft, and I drafted him because at some point everyone does have a price. Yeah, I think that's the point. I mean, at the right spot, everybody is is gonna be worthwhile. And conversely, I mean I've seen Damian Harris kind of bump up into the ninth round in some situations, and I feel like that's a situation similar to what we talked about with Antonio Gibson, where if I'm drafting Damien Harris in the ninth round, I want to feel more confident about what his role and what his usage is going to be there, and as you mentioned, it is completely murky. I think we'll all sort of, you know, steak our claim somewhere and in the end we'll have Rex and the flex when Birkhead is scoring touchdowns out of nowhere. As you made you, Cam Newton is there who's gonna take some opportunities. So I like Damian Harris, I would prefer to get him in the double digit rounds, not in the ninth, because there's just no real clarity on how this backfield is going to work in New England. Now in Jacksonville, we talked about Leonard four Nette, his departure there and what he could potentially be in Tampa Bay. But there is still the matter of the Jaguars backfield. There are a handful of names there that are sort of battling for opportunities. What do you think happens with the Jaguars running backs this year? And and are there any that you are interested in drafting? This is where like if someone asked me on Twitter, I put like the shrug emoji, because we don't really know anything about this backfield or these three backs, right Like, we can make our best guesses, but we have nothing to work off of. What a backfield with Ryuil Armstead, divine as Deepo and James Robinson looks like. But all three of them similar size wise, Like they're all between five nine and five eleven and all between two hundred nineteen and two hundred twenty two pounds at least as they're listed size. So I then looked at who is the most athletic of the bunch, and by far rich Well arms said ran the fastest forty at four point four five, where the other two were both over four six. So uh and Armstead was at least used last year was the backup for Leonard four Nette, so he is still the one that I would take my claiming. But he is going, and I've seen going like round eleven in drafts this week since they cut four net but um but divine oz geepo, I've seen him go. I got him the other day in round sixteen, So I think right there, if he's going after round fifteen like sixteen and that range, it's okay to take your shot there. But the correct answer might be Chris Thompson, who I think is going to be the past catching specialists there. Last year and just in the in the five games that Jake Gruden was with Washington, Thompson was averaging seven targets per game. And Thompson has long in a favorite for Grooden right like, he's thirty five or more catches and each of the last five seasons, and fifty four or more targets in the last four and he does not regularly play like sixteen games so that's like fifty four targets in like eleven games. So you could see there why I think he is going to be a factor in the passing game. Like this a murky situation, like if he's on the third down two minute drills and then you have these other guys splitting the early down reps, it could just become a situation to completely avoid. Yeah, I mean, I think you know. Thompson's upside is that the jag will probably be playing from behind a lot, so there are going to be opportunities for him to catch the football. Their health has always been an issue for him throughout his career, so that's something to keep an eye on. I know, the the hipsters out there and the the DEBI League folks out there have been hitting me up about James Robinson and and maybe one day his time comes. I struggle to feel like I can really trust and undrafted free agent rookie running back the course of a pandemic, with a weird off season, in the context of a bad offense. There are just too many negatives there for me to get excited about James Robinson. Maybe if you are you know, if you've got a Dolorean uh and and one point twenty one giggle wats of energy and you can go into the future and tell me something about it. Then I'll feel a lot better. But right now I just I just sort of have to back off James Robinson and again we'll come back to sometimes the answer is nobody at all, and that might be the case with the Jaguars backfield. That was high Upside presented by Caesar's Rewards. Draft a team with NFL Fantasy this season and you can win a trip to take your league to Caesar's Palace, Las Vegas for the Fantasy playoffs. Download the NFL Fantasy app, draft the team and select the trip to Caesar's Palace from among the three grand prizes you can win. So you've gone through your whole draft, you make your final pick. It's usually a kicker or a defense And I know the tendency a lot of times is to shut down the computer, put down the phone, and then go get yourself a sandwich. But that end the draft can be very important, so we'll give you some tips on how to handle that. Maybe to finish strong like you start strong in a lot of your draft. So uh, Florio, when you get to those final skill position picks might say end the draft picks. I'm talking about those last skill position picks because generally the thing is your your last two picks are kicker in defense. So when you're looking at that last skill position player, UM, I know this this may sound repetitive, but what are you looking for? No surprise, I'm looking for upside, right because at that late in the draft, you're probably gonna end up cutting that player unless they hit and become someone that is valuable to your fantasy starting fantasy lineup. So I'm gonna take players who has really high ceilings, like I'll take a shot on someone like John Ross Laton drafts. In our NFL Fantasy Live draft last night, Marcus, I looked at my team and my starting tight end was Mike Kasecki. I thought I was a little bit weak there. I wanted a nice backup option, so I use my last skill position pick on Chris earned In, who I think has a lot of upside at the tight end position. So that's really how I addressed it. I'll look at my roster. I think if I'm weak at running back or receiver, like, I'll target a position that I think I need a little bit more depth at and I will take the player that I think has the best shot, the most realistic chance of hitting on their upside at that price. So I was going through a DP lists and looking at guys that are sort of at the bottom that maybe you're going undrafted in a lot of leagues, and there were two names that caught my eye that I'm surprised haven't moved up, simply because I feel like a lot of fantasy analysts are talking about them, but I don't think the drafting world has caught on Brian Edwards and Paris Campbell. Both are guys that are certainly getting a lot of hype in fantasy circles. Why do you think they haven't caught on, as you know, late picks and a lot of different drafts. I don't know, Because I like both of these guys like these are there with my last skill pick, I will take a flyer on either one. I do like Brian Edwards a little bit more, and I think you can under for me, at least it's easier to understand why the hype for Campbell hasn't caught on. Like last week, he was involved in a car accident, was placed in the concussion protocol miss some practice. So I understand why people were like, all right, I don't like I have to get this guy on my roster Layton drafts, But there's also other pieces there to get excited for, like, uh, like there's Jack Doyle who I like, and there's Michael Pittman and and other pieces there. With Brian Edwards, I mean, we just sawt to Row Williams go on the i R and Edwards has been hyped up as a starting receiver basically since they drafted him. And I know he isn't like a sexy, like big play down the field type of weapon, but he can be a move the chain's possession type receiver for this team. And his quarterback is Derek Carr, who isn't going to be heaving the ball downfield. He is going to be thrown close to the chains looking to kind of dink and dunk his way down the field. So I think Edwards and PPR can greatly outlive his ADP. So, just like in the NFL Draft, once the NFL Draft is over, we know there are a ton of undrafted free agency teams immediately get on the phone, start calling guys signing guys trying to bring him into camp. Similarly, in fantasy, once your draft is over, the waiver wire is open, you can go and you can pick guys up. You can make moves right away. For you. How active are you on the waiver wire after your fantasy draft? Maybe this is just because I'm in a whole lot of leadus, but I'm not super active after the draft and before Week one, unless you know I drafted a couple of weeks ago or months ago, because things change in the NFL very quickly, like you could have drafted last week and now, all of a sudden, all of these Jaguars running backs around your waiver wire. So I think there is an opportunity where you should definitely check your waiver wire and try to grab one of those players. But I have a lot of drafts this weekend, like I said earlier, and if I draft on Sunday night, I don't think I'm gonna be like going through the waiver wire trying to see unless you know, an injury happens, there's news happened that changes the value of a player. The only exception is if you're any league where you don't have to draft a kicker, in the defense and you took a flyer on some upside guys, Well, then you need to be active on the waiver wire trying to get your defense and your kicker. Yeah, you talk about news that breaks in the middle of drafts. I don't know how many people I have had tweet at me who said they had just drafted Ronald Jones when he Leonard four. Net news broke and for a left scrambling trying to figure out what to do. Uh. So you mentioned how many drafts do you have this weekend? I have. I think I have like three or four in the next three or four days. And I have my two my favorite leagues with like you know, my college friends and stuff, my high school buddies there Saturday night and Sunday night. So to me, that's kind of like the fun end up draft season. Uh, start getting ready for Week one. But I'm I'm a little bit all draft out, and by the end of this weekend I will be all drafted out. Yeah, I really feel like that's sort of the case. I know I've got a couple more this weekend, but I I will be ready for draft season to be over and for fantasy football season to begin. 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I know Portillo's p quads um check out regular Bille. So he's he's giving me quite a bit of stuff to to go do there. I'm excited. Yeah, that's fantastic. I will tell you that old style tastes better at Rerigly than it does just anywhere else. Unfortunately, I know you won't be able to get it at really this time around, but just just a word of advice. It's way better at really than it is just out in the wild, So just something to remember. I'm gonna have it, and I hope it holds up to the hip because I'm gonna come back to hip them and give them my review of like literally everything I do there. So we'll see it. But I am excited for a no Cubs game, but it's still a great summer city. So it's it's gonna be fun, no doubt about it. Enjoy and you know we'll catch up with you when you get back next week. Uh. In the meantime, let's get into what we're gonna do today. And to help me out, it is the guy who would be my co host once a week. He will see him normally on the Friday show, but he's here with us on our final Thursday show of the preseason. It is Michael F. Florio, Florida. It's always great to have you back on this show and to be excited we are a week away. This is this is the end of the long dry off season, so this is sort of nice. Yeah, this offseason has felt longer than any because we haven't had preseason games or anything like that. And Marcus, I'm sure you're in a similar position as me. Like, I'm super pumped for next week, but because of the unknown of this season, everyone decided like to host their drafts a couple of days before the season starts. So like, I still have a lot of drafts in the next week coming up. Yeah, I got a handful of them coming up this weekend, So I'm trying to sort of juggle family time and draft time. I'm sure there will be some point when I'm like playing with the kid with the phone in one hand and trying to, you know, do both. So I will use that as my excuse if my team's end up being kind of crappy this year, be like, hey, you know, I was trying to be a good dad all at the same time. So let's start with some news. The big piece of news happened on Wednesday night. Leonard four Nette signs a one year deal with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It wasn't surprising that he got picked up fairly quickly after he was released by the Jacksonville Jaguars. So now he goes to Tampa where all off season long, we've sort of been debating who's going to be the guy in that backfield. But the first question is what do you expect from Leonard Fournette and Tampa Mike I right now, he is the running back that I would most be targeting out of this backfield if you want a piece of this Tampa Bay backfield, because I am of the mindset that his upside is simply the highest. Like what he did last year is still very impressive, you know, rushing for well over a thousand yards, the hundred targets, seventies six catches. I think he was kind of brought in for a reason here. But I will say I I'm not expecting him, like next week in Week one, to have these starters workload just being on the team for one week. So there is also an opportunity there, I think for Ronald Jones if he could do anything early on. But my expectation is he'll be eased in early on in and as the season goes on, we'll see him get more and more workload until he takes over that backfield. Well, you mentioned Ronald Jones, and on Thursday morning in his press conference, Bruce Arians told reporters that Rojo is still my guy. We still want to use him if we brought in Leonard four Net for a reason, because you can't have too many good running backs. There's also I've heard some rumblings that Lashawn McCoy may get some work as the third down back in this offense. We've heard nothing about Key Shawn Vaughan or dare Open Bawally in the last few weeks. So with all these guys there, knowing that you are not a Ronald Jones truth or what are your expectations for him this year? I think, like for me, I put it on Twitter last night, I think I would feel comfortable with for Net in the sixth round where like Jones was going and then Ronald Jones I still think is worthy of taking like the eighth or ninth round when you start to get to those high end quality backups, because he may not be a backup. But in my opinion, Bruce has said all of the right things when it comes to Ronald Jones, but all of his actions point in the other direction. Like first he inherited Ronald Jones, he wasn't part of the regime that drafted him. Then he takes over last year, this Bucks team, and what does he have Ronald Jones do split time with Peyton Barber and darry Ogan Bawally to me, who are just guys? And then Marcus, you remember this well. I remember it so well because you guys broke it down on Fantasy Live last year. But he was pulled in the first quarter of a game very early on for missing a pass block. That was a week after he had eight receptions, So it looks it was one step in the right direction, two steps back. And then since then, the Bucks are clearly going all in on this season, this two year window with Tom Brady, I think. And they still drafted a running back in round three. They still shine signed with Shawn McCoy, they still signed Leonard Fournette. So to me, all of those actions paint a picture of a head coach who is not comfortable with Ronald Jones being his lead back. I really tried to buy in on this idea of Ronald Jones getting himself in shape, kind of rebuilding his body, and he added extra muscle. He's done that two years in a row now, and so I was really sorting to buy in on this idea that the Bucks were still going to try to lean on him, give him a bigger role, even with Keyshawn von there. I had bought in on that, but now all of a sudden, everything is in question. My my concern has become that Leonard four Nett and Ronald Jones sort of cannibalize each other, especially if McCoy ends up in the mix, and that essentially you're going to have a whole bunch of bacts that are functionally unusable in fantasy because you just don't know how they're going to be used, how much they're going to be used, and what sort of production you're going to get. So that leads me to another question, and this is one that ended up in your Twitter mentions somewhat asking if you drafted both for Net and Ronald Jones, which is certainly a reasonable thing to have happened in this draft season, what do you do now? I think you have to just sit tight for right now because there's a lot of question marks with this backfield. I would not feel comfortable starting either one of those two in Week one, and hopefully you don't have to. There's no bye weeks, there's not a we know who is like gonna be active and who isn't week one It should be the easiest week of the year to set your line up. But at the same point in time, I wouldn't drop either one either, because what if Ronald Jones, like Bruce Arians, isn't lying, and what if he does get the first crack and he starts to run away with the job, Maybe he can hold off a Leonard Fournette or Leonard Fournette starts to take over. So right now, I don't think we have enough answers on this backfield. I would sit tight and keep them both on my bench, ideally not in my lineup, but I wouldn't be dropping them either. I worried about what to do if I have both of those guys. What do you think the trade value would be for either one of them? Do they Do you have any real leverage if you wanted to trade one of those guys. I don't think you have any leverage leverage with Ronald Jones because there's there's a lot less believers in him, I feel like, and there's a lot less like statistical reasons you could point to like last year and be like, look what Ronald Jones did. But I think with Lenon Fournette, still a former first round pick, still a name that's been going early in fantasy drafts while he was with the Jaguars. I just feel on name base alone, you may be able to sell Leonard Fournette. Especially there's people out there, I think who think he's gonna just come in and be the guy. So if you could find someone like that in your league who is still willing to pay a pretty premium price for Leonard Fournette, like one of those other fifth round running backs, I would make that swap immediately. I don't think you're gonna be able to get that for Ronald Jones, though. What I think is funny is that between Fournette and Ronald Jones, these were two of them more polarizing backs in fantasy and football this offseason, and so now we put them on the same roster, and I just feel like, however you feel about them, you are going to see in this situation what you want to see. If you believed in four net and not Jones, you're gonna believe that that four net scoring be the guy. If you were a Ronald Jones guy and maybe didn't leve for Nett, you still think Ronald Jones has a path. If you were on the fence about both of them, you've probably just washed your hands from the situation and completely walked away. I mean, this is maybe the biggest Rorschach test I think we have seen in fantasy football in a long long time. I was one of those people markets who I was kind of on the fence about both of them. So for me, I'm like kind of washing my hands and like, all right, this worked out, Like I I wish that anytime, you know, there was two players You're like, I don't know, like they just went on the same team, cannibalized each other, like you said, and then like we got more players that we can draft elsemore. Alright, More running back news, Joe Mixon has signed an extension with the Cincinnati Bengals four years, forty eight million dollars. There had been some concern that Nixon might hold out and wondering what that might do to his a DP. Now that he has that stability, what level of confidence do you have in him going forward in Cincinnati? I think Joe Mixon deserves to be in the conversation with the back of the first round running backs. Like for me, I have him behind the tier of Dalvin Cook, Clyde Edwards, Hilaire, and Derrick Henry, who I believe are like the middle of Round one running backs. But I think that Joe Mixon slides in nicely with me. For with Austin Ekeler Kenyan, Drake, Miles Sanders. I have him just ahead of like Nick Chubb and Josh Jacobs, but I think he belongs in that like the top thirteen running backs off the board. I know a lot of people will point and say, oh, well, Joe Mixon has never finished that high before. What makes us think in you know, year four of his career he's gonna do so, I think a big things when they haven't really thrown him the ball his three years uh in Cincinnati, but it's something that we know he can do. We saw him do it in college. So I'm hopeful that Joe Burrow will throw him the ball more. Maybe it was a quarterback thing with and Andy Dalton, but because we haven't seen that high catch total from him yet, I I don't feel comfortable taking him over back that I think will be a little bit more involved in their passing game. But I still think he's right on that RB one radar at the end of the round one. I know there's a danger in sort of parsing out the season and splitting it in half. But that said, I feel like what we saw from Mixing in the second half of last season was probably more indicative one of of his ability level, but also I think with how the Bengals want to use him, so I really feel like he's a guy that has top five upside of everything works well. But I do like the the asking price at the end of the first round. I would be willing to take that shot, especially in a twelve team league. If I'm sitting there somewhere near the turn, I would not mind taking that swing at Joe Mixing because I do think the ceiling is potentially high if things work out the way I think they can in this new offense there in Cincinnati. I ord to Washington, Ron Rivera says Dwayne Haskins is going to be the guy at quarterback. He's going to be the starter. I feel like that was sort of a given. I mean, I know Alex Smith has been a great story, but it just seems far fetched to think that after of this long layoff, after such a horrific injury, that he'd stepped back in and immediately be the starting quarterback there in Washington. But now that Haskins has this vote of confidence, how does this affect the way you see this Washington offense as a whole. I do agree with you. I think this move was a given. It just made sense for a rebuilding Washington team. I think Haskins like I, I agree he should be one of the last starting quarterbacks off the board because he didn't really show us anything last year. But I think his upside is a lot higher than that. He did play well at his time at Ohio State, and last year I don't think was just on him. Like interim coach Brian Alloway, took over and implemented one of the run heaviest offensive systems in the game. They were top ten in run percentage last year. He was only asked to throw the ball thirty times once and he only had one game of two and fifty yards, did not have any game with more than two pasts and touchdowns. But he did show us flashes at times. And what I really like about him is he peppered his number one target just with a hunt of volume. Terry McLaurin last year had forty five targets in the small sample size that Dwayne Haskins was the starter. No other receiver had more than thirty two. That was Stephen Simms at thirty two. So there's a wide gap right there. I I like Dwayne Haskins starting more for Terry McLaurin. And I think Haskins, if you're in the Best Ball or Super Flex league, is a fine QB three because he comes with some upside. But if you're in a one quarterback league, this guy is not on your radar. I would agree with that. And it's it's interesting you mentioned the run heavy offense at the end of the year. Last year, there were times it just felt like Washington was trying to run out the season. I mean, like literally did not just run out the clock and run out the game. They were just gonna run out the season and just let's just be done with this and let's start over. For I do think Haskins is going to get a longer leash this year. I think this is a team that is as you mentioned, they're rebuilding there, they're starting kind of from scratch. They're starting young again, and I know they've said Adrian Peterson is going to get the early down work. That's fine. I think he runs for you know, a couple of yards here and there, and then they're gonna have to throw the football because they're going to be trailing a lot. So Haskins will make his mistakes. But Terry McLaurin is a guy I know that pretty much everyone loves Antonio Gibson has been moving up because he has some value as a pass catcher there. So I think that you're right for Haskins. No one are very few people I should say you're going to draft him and have him on their fantasy rosters. But I think having that confidence in him, having that continuity, I think we'll do good things long term for this Washington offense. And so maybe there's a reason there's a sort of be hopeful I think. I mean, I don't know how you feel, but do you have a maybe a better outlook for him in dynasty? What what's your your your thought process for him if you're talking about holding him long term in a fantasy situation. I actually think in a dynasty situation like now might be the time to go out and try to acquire him, because I don't think his value can really get any lower like what he did last year. Who is feeling exciting about Like he routinely was putting up single digit Fantasy points as a arting quarterback in the NFL, Like that is bad. But to me, a lot of it is like what you said. I think they were just running out the clock on the season. They were looking ahead, like they knew that Callahan wasn't going to be their long term head coach. I don't think. But Ron Rivera brings a an offensive friendly system in here and what we saw with with his system out of Carolina. But I think Haskins right now the value is never going to be lowers. So just because of the upside that I think he has that he showed us in college, I think right now would be a buying opportunity. Yeah, I do think there the sky is bright, the future is bright for Dwayne Haskins over to Los Angeles. And this one is sort of near and dear to my heart because I make no bones about being kind of a Tyrod Taylor stand in a lot of respects. Anthony Lynn has said that Tyrod will be the starter in Week one. Not really a surprise there. Again, you've got a rookie quarterback that hasn't had a lot of work because the off season has been so weird. So Tyrod be in the week one started not a surprise. There have been some reports from the beat reporters they are around the Chargers that Tyrod could hold onto this job for most, if not all, of the season. How are you viewing Tyrode? I mean, I'm not saying he's gonna be a QB one. I'm not that crazy about this whole thing. But how do you feel about Tyrode long term? Maybe as a second quarterback, maybe in a super flex league now that we feel like Justin Herbert might not jump in immediately to take this job. I think Tyrod Taylor's role on a fantasy roster, whether it be in a one quarterback league or super flex, should be as your backup, because I wouldn't want him as a starter knowing that he could lose that job. But I do think Tyrod Taylor is going to be one of these players that is greatly going to outlive his a DP for however long he is the starter. I know they said for as long as they could stay in the race, So a lot of it depends on him. Like, how well is he going to play? How well are the charger is gonna play and remain in the race, because once they fall out of it, we know they're gonna make the switch to Herbert. I think though, because of the valuable points that he picks up with his legs. Remember when he was a starter for three years with Buffalo, he was always one of those quarterbacks who was like a routine like low n QB one, high n QB two. Even though we watched him and be like, this guy is not one of the top twelve fifteen quarterbacks in football, but in fantasy he is because he can run so much. But so I think he his value alone will outlive his a DP. But my concerns with Tyrod Taylor as the starting quarterback is for the rest of the offense because we've kind of seen what a Tyrod Taylor and Anthony Lynn offense looks like, because Anthony Lynn was Taylor's o C in twenty sixteen in Buffalo and they threw ran the ball fifty one I'm sorry, they passed the ball fifty one percent of their plays, the second fewest amount in the NFL that year, and in Tyrods three years as a starter, he averaged a pass and play fifty one percent of their plays. So to me, this looks like a team that I think it's gonna be built similar to that Buffalo team, where they're gonna try to rely on their defense, try to rely on the run game, and let top At out as Tyrod to do too much. I think he'll he'll be a serviceable quarterback, but they're not gonna ask him to suddenly start throwing the ball like he's Patrick Mahomes or something. Well, and I know we've talked about the Chargers pass catchers before on this show, with Tyrod kind of getting the nod. Have you moved any of those guys Keenan Allen. I know Mike Williams is hurt, but Hunter Henry, have you moved any of those guys down your board? Moved them up? Are they staying kind of about where you thought they would be? So I've moved them there much lower this year than they've ever been with Philip Rivers, But I haven't moved them with the news that Tyrod Taylor's the starting quarterback, because I thought that was kind of the expectation all along, like Tyrod's gonna start and however long they're in contention, he will be their starter until they fall out of it, and then we'll bring in the young kid and Justin Herbert. But for me, this is I think this is a bad move for the Chargers pass catchers Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Hunter Henry because, like I said, in in the years that Tyrod was the starter, they threw the ball fifty one percent of the time. Last year the Chargers through the ball sixty three percent of the time they were in the top ten. So to me, that's a lot of past attempts per game that you're gonna be losing right there. From the shifting quarterback, uh, the one weapon on the Charges. I was feeling outside of als Neckler because I love Alston Neckler, but I was feeling good about Mike Williams because I thought his style of play fit Taylor will Because Taylor isn't it get the ball out of your hands quick quarterback like Rivers. He'll you know, build some time with it by some time with his legs, and he's not afraid to throw the ball downfield, which is what Mike Williams excels at. So when Williams is back healthy. I think that that you can get a little bit excited for him, but the rest that their ADP, I'm kind of avoiding so full the scoloture. We had our NFL Fantasy Live Draft on Wednesday night, and in my final few picks as some depth ads, I did draft Tyrod Taylor, Mike Williams, and Hunter Henry because I do think that there's some opportunity, especially because I was I will say, I was kind of peaking at some of my bye weeks for my starters, and the Chargers have some pretty favorable matchups that line up with some of those bye weeks, so I feel like, hey, why not take this wing, especially at where the ADP is. If it hits, it's great. If not, then I'm not out a whole lot. So I will say thinking part of this segment was to make me feel better. I think you've got Hunter Henry outside the top ten tight ends, which is completely fine for me. Then like, but normally I think you have to pay a top ten tight end press room. So if he falls out the top ten, I think he's a pure upside shot. We're taking them. Yeah, And that was sort of my logic is feeling where he landed. I felt pretty okay with it, so I was willing to take the chance. Otherwise, if I had to get him what his normal a DP was, I probably would have been out Henry. So there you go. It's time for Performance Ready presented by Castro Edge. So we're talking about guys who should be ready for the season. Look look at some guys who have been rising up the a DP boards as we get closer to the end of fantasy draft season and who could make a bigger impact than maybe we anticipated coming into this offseason. So let's start in Washington. We talked about Dwayne Haskins being that starting job there and what this means for their offense. Antonio Gibson has been a favorite I think of the fantasy industry as we've gone throughout this summer. It started even before I think the various guys release. It picked up steam with that and it still is rising. So now I have seen him as high as round seven in a lot of fantasy drafts, which I liked it when I was drafting him in round eleven or twelve, a whole lot better in order for him to pay off his Round seven a DP. Floria what kind of numbers do you think he has to put up. I'm with you, Marcus, I liked him a lot more when he was going in round eleven or twelve. In round seven, I like, I went back last year and I looked at the top forty running backs and none of them had less than seven hundred scrimmage yards. So I think that right there, he needs at least seven hundred total yards this year. Uh and the two who had less. Of the top forty, there was only two had less. They both had thirty five plus catches. One was Terrico and who had over a hund your targets. So but I think if you're drafting Gibson in the seventh round, you don't want him to just be top forty running back right like you're expecting more. So, I looked in at the top thirty running backs and they're the only one with less than thirty less than eight hundred scrimmage yards was Treohen who again a hundred targets, so he can make up for a lack of scrimmage yards. So I think for Antonio Gibsons who hit uh and as a seventh round a DP, you need at least eight hundred scrimmage yards, and I think you also would like to see him around thirty five forty, maybe even a couple more catches than that. I know people like Gibson's talent that's undeniable, and I know that they're excited because Ron Rivera has hyped him up, saying we have a plan for him, we want to get him on the field. I've even heard they want to use him sort of like Christian McCaffrey, although I do think someone on Twitter went through and that seems to be Ron Rivera's favorite comp for a running back who catches passes that every every running back who catches the football, he says we want to use like Christian McCaffrey. So maybe we should. I mean, hey, I can't blame him at all, but maybe we should look a little bit deeper into that and not just run with it. I feel like when you're talking about round seven, you are talking about a guy that you would feel comfortable putting in your flex spot on a fairly regular basis. And I don't know that I'm there yet with Gibson, mostly because this is still going to be a bad Washington team. They're not going to go out there and I think score a ton of points week after week. They are still developing guys. There are still roles to be determined in this offense. And so while I like what Gibson's potential is, I don't think he has enough of a set role yet to make me feel confident that I can roll with him each and every week. So if I'm if I'm taking him in the seventh round, I'm looking around at a lot of talented players that I'm potentially missing out on, a lot of running backs who should get solid workloads, a lot of wide receivers or even tight ends who should get decent target numbers. So the rise has maybe a little bit hesitant, and that's why I think in the last couple of weeks, I think I backed off drafting Gibson quiet as much. So from there to Buffalo, you were a Bills fan. I love asking you Buffalo Bills related questions. Zack Moss has been a big hype bunny over the last couple of weeks. What do you see his role as and what do you see as the outcome this season for Zack Moss in Buffalo. I'm a big Zack Moss guy, especially when Devin Singletary was going like in round five and you were getting Zack Moss in like rounds nine sometimes, but they're they're a DP is definitely coming closer and closer together because a lot of people are attracted to Zack Moss for fantasy and I think the most realistic outcome for him is that he finishes as a high end RB three, but I think the upside is a lot higher. Uh. The role that I'm expected him to play in is a little bit of a larger role than what Frank Gore had last year. I think he can compete with Devin Singletary for the groundwork. I think he is going to be the back that they used near the goal line. Like last year, the Bills just did not trust Devin Singletary near the goal line. In fact, he was third in touches inside the tannin inside the five, behind both Frank Gore, who was well ahead of all of them, and then Josh Allen too. So to me, that shows that they don't really want to use Devon Singletary there. Uh, and they really like Bills GM. Brendan Bean has really spoken up Zack Moss his ability to catch passes and as a receiver, his ability to you know, just be an early down back, plus be that big goal line back. So I think it is very possible that he could come in and get a lot more work than we're expecting, which is why I like taking him as an RB three because I kind of think that's his floor if he's the one seeing those big, valuable UH touches near the goal line. But I think the upside is higher if he can legitimately eat into Devon Singletary's UH carries because I do think Zack Moss is going to see a good amount of receptions UH compared to Singletary as well. Yeah, and I think that's the part that really has gotten people excited. And at last few days those reports that Moss is going to be working theoretically in the passing game a little bit more. I have to ask what's the future for Devon Singletary there in Buffalo. It just seems like after last year they talked him up a whole lot, but the opportunity hasn't matched quite in the hype, and I just feel like, maybe maybe this isn't gonna work out long term with these two sides. My guess is the bills. They did not feel comfortable with just Devin Singletary. I think they feel like he needs another piece there, and which is why part of me thinks that Zack Moss being the bigger back. They both were third round picks. Zack Moss I think comes with a little bit more production in college and a little bit more hype than Devin Singletary coming out, So I wouldn't be surprised if in time Zack Moss becomes the lead back here in Singletary is kind of the complementary piece. I do think though, he will still have a role even if Mass starts to take over, Like I don't think Singletary ever goes away, which does cap the upside both of these players. But again to me, that it's just another reason to take Zact Moss because the ADP is less, so the risk is just less. Yeah, Devin single Arry, to me, has become one of those cautionary tales of overvaluing talent and maybe overlooking opportunity. The talent seems to be there, the opportunity doesn't seem to be there right now for him and Buffalo over to Green Bay A. J. Dillon kind of shook up the Fantasy Twitter world, and we saw pictures of him in his workout gear with these ginormous thighs that looked like he stole them from an elephant at a local zoo. So what does him be in Green Bay mean for Aaron Jones, who we already thought was a huge candidate for regression this year. Yeah, Aaron Jones last year scored thirty six percent of his Fantasy points off of touchdowns. That simply was not going to happen again. He had nearly twenty touchdowns. I mean, we just weren't going to see that. So I was already expecting as everyone was, like some heavy touchdown regression there. But then they bring in Dylan, who is huge, like you said, And my biggest fear is that with Aaron Jones this year, he is gonna have to split time in the red zone with Dylan and then in between the twenties with Jamal Williams, And I am just fearful that this can become an absolute nightmare for Fantasy. Like you bring in Dylan, I wouldn't surprise me if they use him near the goal line to kind of prevent Jones from having to take those hits. And they keep Jones fresh throughout the season and they get you know, they get to use Dylan as well, who they just paid a premium draft capital for. And then also let's not forget the like Jamal Williams was still heavily involved, especially in the passing game. Last year, he was running over fourteen routes per games, seeing three point two targets per game, and that may not sound like a lot, but Jones was only seeing four point three. So Jones was averaging one target more per game than Jamal Williams. And for forever, with these two backs, all we've heard about is Jamal Williams pass blocking and how much Green Bay loved it. I know it's a uh we've seen a different regime since these two have been brought in, But even last year, like Jamal Williams was used in that role. So I don't really have a lot of uh Aaron Jones. I haven't been drafting him a lot because you still got to pay that second round price. And for me, this can become an all out fantasy nightmare if they use all three of those running backs. I don't think I have drafted Aaron Jones on any fantasy roster. I was sort of relieved to see the ADP come down a little bit, because I feel like in March and April people were still drafting him in the first round. And I think that has sort of calmed down. But because of all the things you said, I mean, Jamal Williams still being heavily involved, now a J. Dillon reportedly getting involved, it has gotten me completely out on Aaron Jones this year. In fact, really, besides Davante Adams, I don't know that there are any packers that I'm really excited about this year, so I've generally kind of stayed away in a lot of respects. Speaking of Davante Adams, his a DP has been pretty steady all off season long. And the thing that I noticed, it feels like the wide receivers for the most part, have remained relatively flat when it comes to their A d p s. The running backs have been all over the place. I mean, it feels like any piece of news since a running back a DP, you know, either moving up or moving down in quite a big way. Why do you think that is? I think I am partially to blame for this, uh, myself and a lot of other fantasy football analysts and then banging the drum like, hey, the elite running backs, they go and they dry up fast, so like get them early on, and like, over the last couple of months, it's become more and more common to see like ten or eleven in the first twelve picks in the in the twelve team league be running backs. So I think when you see like thirteen of the first fifteen picks in most strafts be running backs, and then you have Michael Thomas and Davante Adams sprinkled in there, people see that and they're like, oh man, my RV two is gonna be bad. I need to I need to not miss out on these running backs because they're going so heavy off the board. And then there's also a lot of wide receivers that myself that I like, and a lot of I know, other fantasy analysts like in round four or five, six and that range. So I think that a lot of people feel like, all right, I can wait on receiver and still I won't get you know, a top Tan Wade receiver, but I'll still get someone completely serviceable from my starting lineup. But running back if I wait, I might be you know, drafting like Kareem Hunt is my RB two, and I really like Kareem Hunt, but I like him more as an RB three where you don't need to be starting him well Nick Chubb is there because we don't know exactly how that workload is going to get distributed, Like I wouldn't want like a Devin Singletary or really any of those round five running backs as my RB two. So I really am trying to get too early, and I think a lot of people feel that same way. And I think it's just because the running back position drives up a lot faster than receivers, so people are are really trying to get their running backs early now. Earlier this week, I had Danny Carter on this show, and he is obviously a huge advocate of the zero RB theory, and I know there are people that are still trying it. It just feels like this is a year that it's really hard to do because so many running backs are coming off the board early. And I think you're right. The fear is suddenly you're looking around and you're running backs are Devin Singletary and Kareem Hunt, which is great if you have them as sort of depth backs. As flex options not so great. If you feel like those are the guys you have to use on a regular basis weekend and week out. That was Performance Ready by presented by castrol Edge. It's time for Secure Starts presented by Visa for Peace of Mind. Online Visas got you covered. So for piece of mine, we're looking at what I'm calling these solid seconds. These are wide receivers that aren't in that top tier, that are maybe going in some of the middle rounds, that you might feel confident with as your wide receiver to this year. So well, first off, when you get past those first three rounds of Florio and you know the elite guys are gone, and you're starting to look at maybe that second wide receiver, what sort of things are you looking for before you make a pick. I want volume, and I want upside, and this year that is my favorite tier. Like these second wide receivers. I often will start a draft with two or three running backs, So I am looking for, you know, guys who I think are gonna be safe each week, that I can have in my starting lineup, that I know aren't just gonna be complete boom or bust options. But I also am looking for players that I think can take that next step and potentially go off the board next year as a wide receiver one. And some names that I really like, like Robert Woods you can get in the fourth round, and his teammate Cooper Cup too, but also like A J. Brown, Terry McLaurin. A little bit later, there's Marquis Brown, and then there's also like Tyler Lockett DK Metcalf. There's so many wide receivers in that range that I I don't like going zero why RB and taking two wide receivers early, primarily because then I'm take running backs at this portion of the draft, and I love all of these wide receiver twos. I don't mind double dipping and getting two of them into my lineup that I feel really good about because again, they're gonna have that same volume each week, and they have the upside to take the next step. In fantasy. You mentioned that, and I went through and sort of looked at the running back a DPS and actually get past maybe Chris Carson somewhere late in the third round. There's just a big group of running backs that I just don't feel great about going from anywhere from round round four, maybe the end of round seven or middle of round eight. It's not until I get to sort of that back part of the running backs that I start to feel better again about the upside guys. In the meantime, all those wide receivers you mentioned are guys that you know it is. It is like a shopping spree sort of in the middle of that, You're looking through and everything seems great and every option seems to really have some value to it. You mentioned Cooper Cup, and this is a guy you talk about volume. We know the volume has been there for him. We know the upside has been there because Jared Goff loves him and looks for him when he tends to get in trouble. There for some reason, he's fallen outside of the top twelve wide receivers. I'm thankful for the draft discount, but why do you think that is? I think a big part of it is like last year, the first eight weeks of the season, he was looking like a top five wide receiver and then he kind of came back down to earth after that. But to me, the biggest thing, and I actually I have Bobby Trees ahead of Cooper Cup in my PPR rankings this year, and the biggest thing is because last year when the Rams made their their offensive switch from using the three wide receiver sets using more of a two tight end set that we really saw Tyler Higbee take off in Cooper Cup really struggled, especially for volume, like his routes. He was running less routes per game than Tyler Higbee. He was only seeing six targets per game where Woods and Higbee were over eleven. His receptions were below those guys. His receiving nerds was list than sixty per game. In that in those final five weeks. Really kept him Fantasy relevant was that he scored five touchdowns in those five games. And that is what I think you can rely on Cooper Cup four and that is why he's still a wide receiver to for me in my top twenty, because when the Rams get near in the red zone and near to the end zone, you know that's who Jared Goff is going to throw the ball to. Cooper Cup and him just have that connection there. But I think the fact that we saw his numbers take such a big hit when the Rams switched to twelve personnel, and we don't know if they're going to carry that over this year or not. I think that gives us a little cause for paulse and just to to go no Marcus. A great friend of yours, Matt Harmon does great work with reception perception, and he pointed out that Cooper Cup is one of the very best against zone coverage, but really struggles against man to man. So that is another thing I think you have to worry about with Cooper Cup if defenses are going to attack him differently this season. I'm with you on Robert Woods having a big season. I love him. I was sort of frustrated and on Wednesday night when Adam Rank reached into the beginning of the third round and grabbed him before I could get to him. But I've had drafts where I've seen Cooper Cup on the board in the mid the late fourth round, and I will gladly take him there if he's gonna fall that far, because everything you said is correct, but I still love the upside and if I can get him in the late fourth round, I'm gonna take that all day long. In Jacksonville, DJ Chark seems to be the only really consistently drafted Jaguar offensive skill player there. What's his ceiling you think in I think he has wide receiver one upside Like, I don't have him ranked as a wide receiver one, but to me, he comes in this group, this tier where all of these high ceiling wide receiver two's that we know are gonna get save volume. I think he is one of these candidates that can take that next step. And I think it's kind of just a perfect recipe. It's why I like Gardner Minshew as much as I do. I think the Jaguars, they've lost a ton of pieces on defense. They're not going to be the team that they were a couple of years ago. I expect them to be trailing late in games often, which usually leads to a lot of a lot more passing volume late in the game and a lot of garbage time points. And I know we could say, oh, it's garbage time, but they matter for fantasy football. And we saw last year that Gardner Mitschew clearly has a rapport with DJ Chark and Jake Gruden has been brought in now, and Jake Gruden historically has been a past happy coordinator, and Jay Gruden has also gotten the best fantasy seasons out of Kirk Cousins and Andy Dalton, So I think he could do that with Gardner Minshew, and I think DJ Chark is going to be clearly the number one target there. So I think he's a top towny water receiver who has the upside to take that next step. Hashtag garbage points still count. It is a thing that I tweet repeatedly during the NFL season. We talked earlier in the show about the Chargers and you talked about how you feel about their past catchers. Keenan Allen loses Philip Rivers, t Y Hilton gains Philip Rivers. It's not often you see a at are in quarterback making this sort of move and still having some sort of fantasy relevance. You talk about how you're not excited about what Tyrod Taylor means for the Chargers pass catchers. Does that mean you feel better about what Philip Rivers means for the guys in Indianapolis? And are you feeling better about t Y Hilton than you are about Keenan Allen. I have those two back to back in my rankings, and to me, they all they're all behind those that whole group of that tier of wide receivers. We were just talking about these high upside guys. Who could take that next step for me, they're both behind him, and the true answer for me is usually passed, like I'll take Marquis Brown over both of those guys. And I wish you could switch the quarterbacks on these two teams because Keenan Allen, I think, is a He's a great route runner, one of the best in the league. He relies on timing and precision with his quarterback, and maybe him and Tyrod Taylor will have that. But Tyrod has shown us that he's a quarterback that will hold onto the ball a little bit longer, throw the ball a little bit more downfield. And we have three seasons of Tyrod Taylor as a starter. His best wide receiver in any of those seasons was Sammy Watkins, who finished with sixty catches UH just under a thousand and fifty yards and nine touchdowns. And Keenan Allen routinely goes for well over eleven hundred and over a hundred receptions. So I think that naturally, in this slower paced offense, that and less pass happy offense, that his numbers are gonna take a hit. And then when it comes with t Y Hilton, we love t Y because he's such a field shier, he's so dynamic. But last year Philip Rivers really struggled on the deep ball. Uh And in the four years that we have of next gen stats, it was by far his worst completion percentage, fewest amount of touchdowns thrown, most interceptions thrown on passes of twenty or more air yards. So maybe that was just because their old on was really bad, and maybe he could rejuvenate himself with a much better alone in Indianapolis. But he's struggling. An older quarterback on a new offense, with this type of preseason, who struggled on the deep ball last year through more interceptions than ever, really wasn't a good season for him. I don't want to tie like my Wade receiver two to that guy. I have told myself a story where I can sort of believe in Keenan Allen. I mean this this goes back to me being uh an unabashed tirod stand. I have not been able to pin down what I feel about t Y Hilton this year, and maybe some of it is because of last year. There was so much uncertainty. Jacoby Brissette was he was a seat filler. He was kind of a bridge quarterback to get them to the next spot for and beyond. But because of that, I just have not been very confident really in any cults pass catchers, if anything. You know, I've I've gotten big on Jonathan Taylor. I've taken some some shots at Michael Pittman later in drafts, but I just have not been able to get a handle on what this Colt's offense is going to be with Philip Rivers. So I always say that if we asked these questions, sometimes the best answer is neither. And it seems like that's sort of where you've landed right now, that that really it is neither of these guys. Yeah, I don't I don't know if I have either one of them on any of my team so far. And I'm with you, Marcus. Jonathan Taylor is who I want here and I was a little sad he sniped me in the Fantasy Live Draft. I feel like I got you a couple of times. I got you on Taylor, and I think I got you on Taylor Higby as well. Both of those I was sitting there, Like with Taylor, I was I almost took him in round three and then when he made it all the way back, and I was even before you were up. I was like, Marcus is the one that I'm most worried about taking him. And then when I was like, please don't do it, but I knew you didn't have a tight end, I was like, Marcus is gonna pull? Because it hit me just fell, I thought it was a good value. I was like, Marcus is gonna take him here? That one hurt a little bit, you know what. And normally I tended to stay away from Higbie. But because he fell, and because I needed a tight end, you know, I had Mike GASICKI I had Blake Jarwin in the queue, but Tyler Higby was sitting right there. I couldn't not do it. And when I saw you get upset in the chat, I knew I had done a good thing that made me feel better. That was secure starts presented by Visa. It's tide for high upside presented by Caesar's Rewards. So we talked about high upside. Let's look at some late round running backs. These guys you're putting on your roster to maybe give you some depth and maybe things break right. They get themselves into a bigger role. So Michael Florio, Michael left Florio, What is it that you look for when you are drafting these sort of secondary maybe depth at running backs? What what kind of attributes are you looking into. I kind of sound like a broken record, I think at this point. But for me, it's all upside, like after the middle rounds, Like that's what I want. I just want someone who has a pretty clear path to a starting role, Like I could see how this running back may get throst it into the starting lineup. Like for one running back I like later, it's like Bryce Love and I like him a lot because Antonio Gibson is still learning how to play running back at the NFL level. Adrian Peterson is awesome career wise, but he's getting up there in age, and this is a rebuilding team that I think would want to see what they have in their young running back and may make that switch. So I want backs who I can see taking over the starting job and if they do, what is their upside? Like I really like the like the elite backups and like Chase Edmunds, Tony Pollard and that group of running backs because if anything happens to the starters, those guys can flirt with being RB. One's getting the lion's share of the workload there. But then you have teams like the Falcons, Like if anything happened to Todd Gurley, I have no idea who the next man up is. Maybe it's Titi Smith, maybe it's Brian Hill, maybe it's Ollison. I don't know, so I avoid that, like Daryl uh Henderson on the Rams is someone that I have a good amount of shares of because I am a cam Acres supporter, but you his a DPS and the double digits, and he is a chance of being the lead back to open up the season for the Rams. Like, yes, to me, that is an upside shot we're taking, and if those backs don't hit, then I'll just keep taking upside shots on the waiver wire and hoping something hits, rather than stashing someone like Adrian Peterson who can give me a safe nine or ten points each week. Yeah, I think that's sort of the thing. And I know the analogy has been made that you don't win necessarily by hitting singles and doubles. You win by swinging for the fences and trying to get those home run shots. And I think that's what you're sort of getting at when you're talking about these young running backs that have upside. I know I've said repeatedly that I like Jordan Howard and I do think he's a safe option in the middle of drafts. But but if I'm looking late in drafts, I do want those younger guys. I mean, the guy that I was really big on, especially early in draft season, was a Darnton Evans who has an ability to be a pass catcher. I have seen comparisons to maybe being like Alvin Camara Lights in terms of his usage there in Tennessee. And if anything were to happen to Derrick Henry, Evans suddenly walks into a big opportunity there with the Titans. So I'm definitely with you on that. So, speaking of that, there is a running back to battle going on in l A with the Chargers. Austin Ekeler obviously has the starting job on lock, but there has been an interesting camp battle between Justin Jackson and Joshua Kelly. How would you prefer to see this thing end up in l A. I would prefer to see Joshua Kelly win the job. I think Justin Jackson is best suited as that third running back in case anything ever happens to Austin Ekeler, he could come in and be your past catching back. Josh Kelly is huge. I don't know if you want him out there as your your past catching specialists. He's five eleven to twelve, so that's a big boy, I think you can. My expectation for this backfield is I think it's gonna operate a lot like the Saints, and I think Austin Ekeler is going to play that Camaro role where he will dominate the passing work. I don't think people realize how much Melvin Gordon played a factor in the past and the game last year, averaging nearly five targets per game in fifteen routes per game. So I think Austin Ekeler is gonna just dominate passing down duties this year, and then I think they will split the groundwork like I do. Think all Sickler is going to see more groundwork than he did last year. But I also I think Joshua Kelly could give you a hundred and fifty carries this year as his team likes to while I'm expecting them to like to run the ball a lot. My only fear with Josh Kelly is that he's huge. Like I said, I'm fearful because I like Eckler so much that Josh Kelly can come in and steal some of those valuable goal line touches the way. But then I see Alston jumping over five pens and I'm like, I think he can jump over an offensive line just fine. Yeah, I will say I know that. I feel like the Joshua Kelly hype has been slow to build, and and it's understandable one because u c l A was not getting a lot of national television exposure. They have not been a very good program over the last few years. And I'm not saying that just because I am a USC alone. I mean it's it has been a fact. So because of that, Kelly's exposure has not been as great, I think to the rest of the country as a lot of people would expect. But this is a really good running back who's gonna have a really good opportunity. I will say that, if there's anything that gives me confidence about the situation, it's that I feel like Anthony Lynn has a pretty hard line of demarcation, right, I mean, he has pretty defined roles within his backfield. So whoever it is that gets that RB two job, I don't think we'll have to worry about sort of a muddled situation behind Eckler. There's going to be I think, a clear number two. So whoever it is that gets that job, I think you can draft that player with a fair level of confidence that that he is going to get a decent workload there in l A. A situation that may not be so clear is in New England, where I won't say Belatricks are back because I don't think that's accurate. But we've got a battle brewing between Sony Michelle and Damien Harris. Now I know Harris is dealing with a hand injury, so he may miss the season opener, but I don't think this battle is going to just completely go away. What do you see as being the outcome of of Michelle versus Harris? There with the Patriots, this is a murky situation because there's these two in then there's still Lamar Miller, Rex Burkhead and James White. So my approach when attacking this backfield, though, has been to take the the unknown him Damian Harris, right like, I do think that he has higher upside than Sony Michelle. Uh. He has been the running back that I've been targeting here, but his ADP is starting to climb. See him going like twelve eleventh round in some drafts while Sony Michelle is falling. The reason I'm so low on Sony Michelle is he is not who he was in Georgia at least, we haven't seen that same back in the NFL. We know he has some knee issues. That's why that was the concern with him coming out of college, and it's translated into the NFL level. He hasn't had the same burst. They've never really used him as a pass catcher, so that limits his ceiling right there. And what he was so useful for in years past was those short yards touchdowns. Last year it's twelve carries inside the five yard line, scored five touchdowns there. Well, now they have Cam Newton, who for years with the raven with the Panthers was just vulturing touchdowns when they would get near the goal line. So I have legit concerns that if Cam Newton even takes away to three of those touchdowns, what is Someny Michelle season going to look like? Because last year he had one touchdown from from further out than five yards, and he's three in his careers, so to me, the upside on him is severely kept. But I will say I was in the draft the other night and he fell to the fifteenth round of a twelfth team draft, and I drafted him because at some point everyone does have a price. Yeah, I think that's the point. I mean, at the right spot, everybody is is gonna be worthwhile. And conversely, I mean I've seen Damian Harris kind of bump up into the ninth round in some situations, and I feel like that's a situation similar to what we talked about with Antonio Gibson, where if I'm drafting Damien Harris in the ninth round, I want to feel more confident about what his role and what his usage is going to be there, and as you mentioned, it is completely murky. I think we'll all sort of, you know, steak our claim somewhere and in the end we'll have Rex and the flex when Birkhead is scoring touchdowns out of nowhere. As you made you, Cam Newton is there who's gonna take some opportunities. So I like Damian Harris, I would prefer to get him in the double digit rounds, not in the ninth, because there's just no real clarity on how this backfield is going to work in New England. Now in Jacksonville, we talked about Leonard four Nette, his departure there and what he could potentially be in Tampa Bay. But there is still the matter of the Jaguars backfield. There are a handful of names there that are sort of battling for opportunities. What do you think happens with the Jaguars running backs this year? And and are there any that you are interested in drafting? This is where like if someone asked me on Twitter, I put like the shrug emoji, because we don't really know anything about this backfield or these three backs, right Like, we can make our best guesses, but we have nothing to work off of. What a backfield with Ryuil Armstead, divine as Deepo and James Robinson looks like. But all three of them similar size wise, Like they're all between five nine and five eleven and all between two hundred nineteen and two hundred twenty two pounds at least as they're listed size. So I then looked at who is the most athletic of the bunch, and by far rich Well arms said ran the fastest forty at four point four five, where the other two were both over four six. So uh and Armstead was at least used last year was the backup for Leonard four Nette, so he is still the one that I would take my claiming. But he is going, and I've seen going like round eleven in drafts this week since they cut four net but um but divine oz geepo, I've seen him go. I got him the other day in round sixteen, So I think right there, if he's going after round fifteen like sixteen and that range, it's okay to take your shot there. But the correct answer might be Chris Thompson, who I think is going to be the past catching specialists there. Last year and just in the in the five games that Jake Gruden was with Washington, Thompson was averaging seven targets per game. And Thompson has long in a favorite for Grooden right like, he's thirty five or more catches and each of the last five seasons, and fifty four or more targets in the last four and he does not regularly play like sixteen games so that's like fifty four targets in like eleven games. So you could see there why I think he is going to be a factor in the passing game. Like this a murky situation, like if he's on the third down two minute drills and then you have these other guys splitting the early down reps, it could just become a situation to completely avoid. Yeah, I mean, I think you know. Thompson's upside is that the jag will probably be playing from behind a lot, so there are going to be opportunities for him to catch the football. Their health has always been an issue for him throughout his career, so that's something to keep an eye on. I know, the the hipsters out there and the the DEBI League folks out there have been hitting me up about James Robinson and and maybe one day his time comes. I struggle to feel like I can really trust and undrafted free agent rookie running back the course of a pandemic, with a weird off season, in the context of a bad offense. There are just too many negatives there for me to get excited about James Robinson. Maybe if you are you know, if you've got a Dolorean uh and and one point twenty one giggle wats of energy and you can go into the future and tell me something about it. Then I'll feel a lot better. But right now I just I just sort of have to back off James Robinson and again we'll come back to sometimes the answer is nobody at all, and that might be the case with the Jaguars backfield. That was high Upside presented by Caesar's Rewards. Draft a team with NFL Fantasy this season and you can win a trip to take your league to Caesar's Palace, Las Vegas for the Fantasy playoffs. Download the NFL Fantasy app, draft the team and select the trip to Caesar's Palace from among the three grand prizes you can win. So you've gone through your whole draft, you make your final pick. It's usually a kicker or a defense And I know the tendency a lot of times is to shut down the computer, put down the phone, and then go get yourself a sandwich. But that end the draft can be very important, so we'll give you some tips on how to handle that. Maybe to finish strong like you start strong in a lot of your draft. So uh, Florio, when you get to those final skill position picks might say end the draft picks. I'm talking about those last skill position picks because generally the thing is your your last two picks are kicker in defense. So when you're looking at that last skill position player, UM, I know this this may sound repetitive, but what are you looking for? No surprise, I'm looking for upside, right because at that late in the draft, you're probably gonna end up cutting that player unless they hit and become someone that is valuable to your fantasy starting fantasy lineup. So I'm gonna take players who has really high ceilings, like I'll take a shot on someone like John Ross Laton drafts. In our NFL Fantasy Live draft last night, Marcus, I looked at my team and my starting tight end was Mike Kasecki. I thought I was a little bit weak there. I wanted a nice backup option, so I use my last skill position pick on Chris earned In, who I think has a lot of upside at the tight end position. So that's really how I addressed it. I'll look at my roster. I think if I'm weak at running back or receiver, like, I'll target a position that I think I need a little bit more depth at and I will take the player that I think has the best shot, the most realistic chance of hitting on their upside at that price. So I was going through a DP lists and looking at guys that are sort of at the bottom that maybe you're going undrafted in a lot of leagues, and there were two names that caught my eye that I'm surprised haven't moved up, simply because I feel like a lot of fantasy analysts are talking about them, but I don't think the drafting world has caught on Brian Edwards and Paris Campbell. Both are guys that are certainly getting a lot of hype in fantasy circles. Why do you think they haven't caught on, as you know, late picks and a lot of different drafts. I don't know, Because I like both of these guys like these are there with my last skill pick, I will take a flyer on either one. I do like Brian Edwards a little bit more, and I think you can under for me, at least it's easier to understand why the hype for Campbell hasn't caught on. Like last week, he was involved in a car accident, was placed in the concussion protocol miss some practice. So I understand why people were like, all right, I don't like I have to get this guy on my roster Layton drafts, But there's also other pieces there to get excited for, like, uh, like there's Jack Doyle who I like, and there's Michael Pittman and and other pieces there. With Brian Edwards, I mean, we just sawt to Row Williams go on the i R and Edwards has been hyped up as a starting receiver basically since they drafted him. And I know he isn't like a sexy, like big play down the field type of weapon, but he can be a move the chain's possession type receiver for this team. And his quarterback is Derek Carr, who isn't going to be heaving the ball downfield. He is going to be thrown close to the chains looking to kind of dink and dunk his way down the field. So I think Edwards and PPR can greatly outlive his ADP. So, just like in the NFL Draft, once the NFL Draft is over, we know there are a ton of undrafted free agency teams immediately get on the phone, start calling guys signing guys trying to bring him into camp. Similarly, in fantasy, once your draft is over, the waiver wire is open, you can go and you can pick guys up. You can make moves right away. For you. How active are you on the waiver wire after your fantasy draft? Maybe this is just because I'm in a whole lot of leadus, but I'm not super active after the draft and before Week one, unless you know I drafted a couple of weeks ago or months ago, because things change in the NFL very quickly, like you could have drafted last week and now, all of a sudden, all of these Jaguars running backs around your waiver wire. So I think there is an opportunity where you should definitely check your waiver wire and try to grab one of those players. But I have a lot of drafts this weekend, like I said earlier, and if I draft on Sunday night, I don't think I'm gonna be like going through the waiver wire trying to see unless you know, an injury happens, there's news happened that changes the value of a player. The only exception is if you're any league where you don't have to draft a kicker, in the defense and you took a flyer on some upside guys, Well, then you need to be active on the waiver wire trying to get your defense and your kicker. Yeah, you talk about news that breaks in the middle of drafts. I don't know how many people I have had tweet at me who said they had just drafted Ronald Jones when he Leonard four. Net news broke and for a left scrambling trying to figure out what to do. Uh. So you mentioned how many drafts do you have this weekend? I have. I think I have like three or four in the next three or four days. And I have my two my favorite leagues with like you know, my college friends and stuff, my high school buddies there Saturday night and Sunday night. So to me, that's kind of like the fun end up draft season. Uh, start getting ready for Week one. But I'm I'm a little bit all draft out, and by the end of this weekend I will be all drafted out. Yeah, I really feel like that's sort of the case. I know I've got a couple more this weekend, but I I will be ready for draft season to be over and for fantasy football season to begin. 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