Life Before Incarnation Explained with Christian Sundberg

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let's dive in to today's episode. I like to welcome
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to the show, Christian Sundberg. Hey you doing, Christian.
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I'm great, sir, How are you?
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I'm good, my friend. Thank you so much for doing this.
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We've been trying to get this going for a while now,
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and I'm so happy that we finally are schedules matched
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and we're here to talk about your fairly, you know,
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somewhat unique entertaining experiences of life. You've lived the boring
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life so far.
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Apparently none of us live boring lives on Earth.
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Yes, that's very true. That's very very true. So you
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have a very you have a unique point of view
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on your experience. I mean, we've had near death experiences,
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we've had other out of body experiences, but you had
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a pre birth experience. And you're the first person I've
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ever spoken to who's had a pre birth experience. So
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can you explain to the audience what is a pre
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birth experience?
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Yeah? Sure, thank you, so first, let me just say that. Okay,
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first of all, I have to disclaim that there is
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no language to describe any of this. We're going to
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do our best. We're gonna do our best, but the
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language of Earth is based on our local world and
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its assumptions, and our true nature transcends those assumptions. So
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there are enough assumptions like you know, linear time and
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discrete location for instance, we're actually transcend that this physical context.
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So I'll try to make comments, but I just have
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to disclaim that language vastly falls short. It's like, as
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soon as we open our mouths, we're just inaccurate, you know,
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got it? So, yeah, my body is forty two years
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old right now. Up until about the age of five
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or six, I had some pre birth memory. I remember
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choosing this life and coming to Earth. That memory left
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me completely between the ages of six and thirty before.
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So before you continue, what was it like being a five,
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four or five six year old dealing with this kind
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of information? Because I barely remember what I was like
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at four or five, but I know I didn't have
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the cognitive ability to deal with that kind of information,
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So how did you deal.
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With Yeah, it was very natural it's the most natural
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thing in the world. Actually, I remember being in a
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diaper and just barely being able to walk and being
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aware of what I'll share today. Okay, it seemed very
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natural and normal. Nobody else talked about it. I mean,
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I knew we were were not really from here, you know,
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we're just coming to experience this place and have this
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human experience, and nobody else really talked about it. I
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didn't talk about it. It's just I thought everybody knew
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fair enough, but nobody else talked about it.
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So at the age of at six, you lost the memory.
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Do you remember losing this?
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No, No, it's just kind of the more I became
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associated with the human character, the more deeply I became
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associated with form, you know, with the story, with the objects,
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with the identity, you know, the the more distant it became,
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until it was gone. And then I didn't remember it
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at all, you know, I had no I didn't even
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remember that I had remembered, you know, up until the
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age of thirty, when I took up a long term
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meditation practice, and much to my surprise, I well, first
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I began to have non physical experiences after a few
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months out of body experiences, very eye opening, very worldview altering,
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you know, very in your face, not subtle experiences. And
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at the same time, I began to have this you know,
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pre birth memory return, and it was it was not strange.
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It was the most natural thing in the world. It
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was like there were leaves on the ground and somebody
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just blew the leaves off of the ground and there's
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the grass, you know what I mean. Like it was
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not it was not strange, but it was so real,
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so much even more real than what I experienced day
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to day. And these memories both seem incredibly ancient and
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also like they're happening right now, Like they feel like
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they're millions of years ago, but they're also alive right
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in this moment. I don't know how to describe that.
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It's not like an earthly memory. And I share it
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with a couple people and they seem to say, oh, wow,
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that's pretty extraordinary. It didn't even occur to me that
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it was extraordinary. I didn't share it for eight years
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or so, because, you know, I'm a working professional. It's
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not the kind of thing you talk about, you know,
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you know, you know, it's just you don't.
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Clearure about that clears the room.
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It clears a room, doesn't It clears the room pretty quick,
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you know, plus and then anyway, So it's not going
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to be well received by various groups, you know, including
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like maybe conservatively minded folks, and so I just didn't
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share it. But I felt I felt compelled to share.
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And about four years ago I just got this intuitive
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nudge like that the ground is fertile now. It's just
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like the ground is just fertile enough now that there
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is benefit to sharing this. So I did. I shoulded
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with Mira Kelly, who happened to be Wayne Dyer's past
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life regression as so she was familiar with this content.
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And after I shared it, I thought, okay, I got
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off my chest. Never have to talk about it again.
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But it took off. It became very well responded to.
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I met so many people that have had similar experiences.
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I've probably met probably forty or so other pre birth
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experiencers by now, so I'm definitely not alone. And what's
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really interesting is when those people are able to reach
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out to me and say I have the same memory
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of the same place or the same experience pre life,
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and I just think that's so amazing because I can
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feel the vibrational distance between there and here, and if
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we can come all the way down here to the
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earth experience and meet here on these topics and like
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make that connection, it's just so cool. It's a really amazing,
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energetic thing to do. Yeah. So, and then I published
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a book, I'll Walk Into Physical. I spent about six
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years writing it with the help of spirit. Really, I
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received intuitive chunks at a time. I never felt like
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I sat down and wrote it myself. It felt like
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I was being guided throughout that process, and I felt
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like a bone level accomplishment when I finally pressed the
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published button and put it out in the world. You know,
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it's available for free on my website. It's not about money.
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I just want to share the information. I'm very passionate
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about who we really are, you know, what this human
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experience really is. And it's very exciting to me to
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share that because the actual truth, like the real concrete
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truth of the spiritual context in which we exist is wonderful.
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It's so amazing and full of love and joy and
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vibrance and freedom. And I'm very passionate about sharing that
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because we live in a world that is often less
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so you know, we have a lot of fear. So anyway,
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just some comments about how that emerged.
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Okay, So when you started your meditative practice and you
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had this kind of awakening, what were the memories that
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came back to? Can you talk a little bit about
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the pre birth experience?
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Yeah, sure, Okay, so I'll try to go in order.
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But again, there is sequence to these memories, but it's
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also beyond what we would call linear sequence, so it's
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difficult to describe. Okay, So I remember, long long ago,
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before I had ever been physical at all, had any
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physical incarnations coming across a being who had been physical,
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and I could feel from this being the quality of
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his his nature, his essence. H This is very hard
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to describe. But in those systems we share telepathically. Everything's telepathic.
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We just have a constant sharing of feeling and information
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and knowing. You know, it's not like here we have
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to throw clunky words at each other. There you can
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actually feel the other being is a part of you,
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and the environment is part of you. You're you know,
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you're connected to all things. And I felt from him
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this amazing joy and power, and I asked him, my goodness,
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what could you possible have done to be this, And
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do you feel as much joy and power as I
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feel that you feel and he shared yes. And he
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shared with me this huge amount of information and feeling
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and context. And one of the main things he shared
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with me is that he had lived a physical life. Well,
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he had lived many lives, but one in particular that
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he shared was a time that he had suffered physically
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from a long term chronic health condition. And it was
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very painful. But the way that he chose to meet
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that experience to it so hard to describe the quality
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of the intention that he brought into that experience allowed
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a refinement of his being.
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And it was so beautiful and so full of power.
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And I said, I want to do that. I want
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to do that. I am going to do that, which
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is very like, very inspired.
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And where do I sign Where do.
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I sign up exactly? And he said kind of playfully,
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like yeah, that's what they all say, like you don't
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know how hard it is, don't You don't know, You
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just don't know how difficult it is. And I said, no,
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I mean it. I want to do this, and he said,
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we'll go talk to your guides. So I don't have
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right after that, but I know I lived many times
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and then I found this being later and shared with
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him that I was on this path, and he was encouraging,
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encouraging for the path. Okay. So, but the majority of
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the pre brief memory that I have is of a
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time somewhat immediately preceding this life where I had So
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I had taken a long break after being physical, and
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I remember this guide coming to me over and over
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again and asking are you every once in a while
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are you ready to go back yet? Are you ready
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to go back yet, and just putting him off and
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be like, no, I'm not ready yet. No, I'm not
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ready yet, and finally saying okay, I'm ready, like basically
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reminding me of my own intention to do this, and
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so I said, okay, I'm ready. So then I remember
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with this guide reviewing what I can only describe as
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my state, like who I am, who I've been, who
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I was. This is it's very hard to articulate this.
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It's like a like a I don't know how you
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describe it, like a graph with this is super crude metaphor,
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but like a graph with many different qualities, and you
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could even say virtues or something, you know, just areas
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of knowing of experiential evolution that you knew more or less,
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something like that. And there was this one area that
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was just blatantly obvious that I needed to work on.
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I don't want to say need to work on, because
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we don't have to. It's not about need. We choose
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to do this. But there was this one area that
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it was like, oh wow, I really should do something
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about that. And it was this really deep fear, and
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it was a fear that had vested me in a
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previous experience, and in that previous experience I had turned
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into something of an egoic monster because of this fear,
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and I had damaged many other people through the fear,
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because fear is at the root of ego. You know,
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when we act out of ego, it's because there's some
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fear down there that we haven't processed, something we haven't
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come to terms with. So this fear was very overwhelming,
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and I remember asking, is it even possible has any
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other being in creation ever dealt with a fear that's
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this low vibration in this specific way, Because it was
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like a very specifically angled vibration. I don't know how
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to describe this, but a very specific fear vibration. And
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I knew even from that point of view it was
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very low vibration. And I remember the being saying to me, yes,
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and in fact, you have all time available to you
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to do, so there's no hurry. And I just knew.
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And this is how strange to me as the human,
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you know, because from this point of view, I know
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how difficult it has been and can be. But I
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just I said, I said, if it can be done,
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I'll do it, like I just knew, because I knew
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the depth of my being and the depth of what
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we all are, the unconquerable life that we are. And
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so then they brought me a life, a physical life
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that was appropriate for this intention of meeting the fear.
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And it wasn't this lifetime, it was one just before this.
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And I reviewed that life and I accepted that life,
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and then I remember accepting the veil. Okay, so the
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veil's just a term, it's just a metaphor, but it
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means the constraints that go along with being physical and
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having an incarnative experience, that is the limitation of knowledge,
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having your memory cut off and having your connectedness disappear.
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And it felt to me like the best way I
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can describe this as the metaphor of life, like a
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sound amplifier that produces a pitch like you started a
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very high vibration, like, and then you turn down the knob,
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and then when you get to the bottom, you turn
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it down some more, and then more and more and
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more and then more, and then crank it down some
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more and then crank it down some more. That's how
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it felt in the body of my awareness to plummet down, down, down, down, down, lower, lower, lower, lower, lower,
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into the vibrational place of being physical in the womb.
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And once I arrived, I was like, I am not
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doing this. There is no way I'm going to tolerate
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a lifetime of this. This is so dark, this is
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such low vibration. I had so much fear immediately that
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came up, and so I mustard by might, you know,
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and I smoked the veil. I fought my way out,
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and I was successful at doing that. But I realized
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that I had killed the fetus that was to be
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in my body, and I had ended the life. And
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I had a life review just like near death experience
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just describe. Even though I had never physically been born,
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I was. I was responsible for how I had affected
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the mother, and not only the mother, but hundreds of
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other people who were affected by the mother because of
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my fear, you know. And I had all these great
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intentions going in, but I could just I could see
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very objectively, Wow, I have a lot of fear. I
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gotta do something about this. So like, like from that
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point of view, you know, everything is okay, It's just
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it's just a play. You know, it's a big it's
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a big play. But still I could just see, like, oh, wow,
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you know, I really need to grow in this way.
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So I spent some time practicing surrendering to the veil
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in a place that I can only describe as a
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veil acceptance simulator. It was like going to a room
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where they dunk you under the water of a dark
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pool and they push you under. This is just a metaphor,
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but it's kind of close. It's like being pushed underwater
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in a pool and then you can you stay under
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there and see how long you can like hold your breath,
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and then you cry uncle, and I'll let you out.
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Because it's just a emulator, whereas in the real veil,
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you know, you can't cry uncle, you have to let
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it sink in all the way. So I remember practicing
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and then but I still wanted to do this, this
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intention of meeting this fear. So they brought me this life.
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This life now is Christian, and I remember reviewing this
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life in incredible detail, and I knew that this life
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was not as appropriate as the first one would have been. Like,
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you know, you can't put numbers on it, but if
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I just I know, we like numbers and duality, So like,
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if I just just being crude about it, the first one,
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if it was like a ninety eight or ninety nine
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percent good match, this one was like eighty seven or something,
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you know, I don't know. It just it was good,
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and it was good, but it wasn't as perfect as
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the first one, but it was still very good.
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Real quickly, I don't mean, yeah, you said you reviewed
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this life in detail. Do you mean that you were
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able to see Christian from beginning to end of what
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you were going to experience and how this quote unquote
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game or play or a movie was going to play
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out and what it would do for you in your
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growth as.
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A soul, yes, but it was not a So it
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was like a probability tree, right. So it was like
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if you took a tree and laid it on its
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side and started at the trunk and then worked your
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way out to the branches. It was like that. It
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was like I started at a point of context, and
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I knew that my choices and the choices of every
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other player in the game would be influencing each other,
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and it would nudge certain paths to happen, and there
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were some that were more likely or less likely. And
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I knew that it was very likely that I would
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suffer a trauma in my twenties because of this biology.
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I knew that this body has biological limitations that other
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bodies don't, and I knew that that would help facilitate,
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among other things, this trauma that would befall me in
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my twenties, and that trauma would give me the chance
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to be crushed and to re experience this fear. And
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I say chance because from that point of view, it
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was seen as an opportunity, you know, like like from
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here the victim that you know, the ego rises up
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right away and says, oh no, I'm not how I
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would never sign up for this. I'm not okay with this,
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But from that point of view, I knew that the incredible,
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incredible opportunity that was being handed to me in the
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in the chance to re experience this fere and to
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meet it and to try to integrate it and heal
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through it. Oh my gosh, the amount of profound personal
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growth and even the growth of all that is that
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was possible through that was breathtakingly huge. But anyway to
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your question, Yeah, so I reviewed what it would be
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like to be me in these various branches. Like it was.
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There were events in it, but it was less about
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events and more about what it would feel like to
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be me, to be exactly me in this, in this
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circumstance or at this age. I remember reviewing it in
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terms of ages. I remember being aware of one certain
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potential exit point as an example that hasn't arrived yet.
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I remember reviewing qualities about the life and then making
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requests like, for instance, I remember asking if I could
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be intelligent again, because I knew that I had been
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intelligent in the last few lives and it was a
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trait that I prefer and I didn't want to you know,
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experience a life without that quality. And they said, yes,
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you can do that. And I knew that certain qualities
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my parents would be very important, like, for instance, I
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knew that my father would instill confidence in me and
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that that confidence would be paramount for me to have,
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like a rock to stand on to meet this fear,
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you know. And that was something that my father did
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did for me. You know, he was very accepting and
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I always, you know, lifted me up and gave me
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that confidence. Not only my father, my mother and my
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my grandparents. You know, that was not an area I
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needed to be challenged in this time I needed. I
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needed the confidence to meet this fear.
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and now back to the show.
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And I also remember asking, and excuse my horseness, by
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the way, my wife as I mentioned my wife as
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COVID and I'm a bit under the weather right now. Sure,
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So I remember asking, can I I don't want to
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forget everything this time. I wanted to just have a
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can I just have a small tiny bit of memory?
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And they said, yes, you can do that, but it
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will make the journey more difficult. And I knew why
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I could feel it was because the contrast here would
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be even greater. To have some recollection of there, of
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that higher vibrational state of being and still be here
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is such a pronounced contrast that having even a glimmer
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of that conscious knowledge added to contrast. But see, I
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knew even that contrast, like all contrast, was an opportunity
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for growth. So I accepted, and and I remember there
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having to be a moment to say yes, to actually
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accept the life. I don't remember that moment, but I
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do remember being in like a waiting area and then
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this guide coming to me and then just suddenly grabbing
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my attention like go now, like very abrupt, like almost rude,
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not rude, but like grabbing me by the shoulders, like
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earth time buddy, like not not later, right now, and
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being like okay now, and then like locking into that
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and then being in this.
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Ah.
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How do I describe this, It's like I've described it,
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like a technicians chamber or like a mechanic shop that
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was over the earth. I could see a shaft below
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me with the earth below, and there were these beings
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there who were very technical in nature, and they are
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very very skilled at matching the veil to you to
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the individual, because like the individual, soul has so many
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rich qualities, and the life and the body and the
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circumstances have their own energetic thing going on. They like,
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I don't know, they make everything fit, they make everything jive,
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you know, they're able to make this organic connection work.
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It's like the veil is like an organic blanket or something,
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and they're able to fine tune that. And I remember
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then being over this pit and then asking me one
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last time, are you sure? Are you sure you want
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to do this? Because I knew once I said yes,
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here I was strapped in for the ride. It's like
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getting in a roller coaster, you know, once you strap in,
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you can't get out till the ride's done. It was
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a little bit like that, and I remember saying yeah,
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I'm ready, and then again this huge plummein and vibration
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down down, down, down, lower, lower, lower, lower, lower, and
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having all of my knowing disappear, and all my connectedness disappear,
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and all my memory just not there anymore, and then
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coming down into this vibrational point that I can only
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describe like arriving to the vacuum of space, like a
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place that had no heat there's like nothing there, but
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also simultaneously very very dense, like the body was like
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being shoved inside of a tiny tunican, and simultaneously cold
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and empty. It's so hard to describe. And this time
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I just focused on not fighting it, you know, just
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like okay, because I remembered the time before when I
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had rejected it and ended the life. So I just
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let the veil do what it would do to me,
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and I surrendered to it. I just surrendered to the veil,
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and eventually, from the point of being in the body,
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I remember sending one message back to the technicians did
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it take, and then sending one message back, yes, it took.
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And then I felt really accomplished, actually, because even the
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act of making it to the physical is quite an
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accomplishment because it's such a vibrationally different place. So then
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I was there for a while, and then eventually I said,
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you know what, I am not doing. This is no
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way I am going to tolerate a lifetime of this.
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I am not doing it. And my fear began to
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rise up again, and so once again I began to
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summon my might to fight my way out. And as
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I did that, the most holy moment in my entire
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human life happened. The great Spirit of God, what we
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call God, beyond all language, the great I Am of
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all things source, came to me and expanded me back out,
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and I felt all the universe within me. I felt
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our Sun, the son of Earth, churning within me. I
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felt it's life. I felt its consciousness, and it's bliss,
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this deep, raging bliss of the Sun within me. And
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God said to me, this is still what you are.
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You can never not be this. It's the most holy
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moment for me in this life, because that's what we
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all are, and it's like the most sensitive personal experience.
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But after that, I was so relieved. I was like, oh,
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I didn't lose everything that I am, you know, because
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I felt like I had lost all that I am,
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and so I so I stopped fighting and I returned
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to being in the body and not fighting, and just
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to surrender to the simple existence of being in the womb,
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you know. And the next memory I have is what
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seemed like a long time later, being born physically. I
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remember the shock, the cold, the light. I remember having
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no idea what was going on, and just looking up
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at these beings who were taking care of me, the
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nurses in the room, and being like, who are these beings?
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Like I had no idea what was happening, but it
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was intense I was so curious. I remember just being
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intensely curious. And it's funny because when I mentioned this
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memory to my father, he said, that's exactly what you
481
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look like. He said, you had these wide open eyes
482
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for a little baby. You were looking around at everything
483
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with such curiosity. I remember that. I remember just being
484
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so curious. And I know they say that babies can't see,
485
00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:15.279
you know, certain distance. I don't understand how I remember this,
486
00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:18.079
but I do remember seeing the room. And later in
487
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my life, I drew the room from my mother and
488
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I said that you were here. Here was the bed,
489
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here was the heat and grate, Here was the window.
490
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The doctor was standing here, and you know, she confirmed
491
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that that was how the room was laid out. But anyway,
492
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so after that, I don't have memory for quite a while,
493
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you know, until I was older. But I used to
494
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have assumptions about this life that I thought would apply
495
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because of the time I had been in the higher realities.
496
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Because I assumed qualities of our true nature that were true,
497
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there would apply here. Yeah, Well, there's a lot that's
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different on Earth. Like I remember assuming that we would
499
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be able to feel each other's emotions here, that turns
500
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out not to be the case much of the time.
501
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I remember assuming that anyone in a position of leadership
502
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or authority would be loving and wise, and that's not
503
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always the case on Earth, especially the larger, especially the
504
00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:12.759
higher up. I figured, the higher up you were in society,
505
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:16.160
you must be even more loving and wise because in
506
00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:20.640
higher systems, love and wisdom is the power. You know,
507
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So beings who are in positions of authority with air quotes,
508
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:28.400
you know they're loving and wise. That's not always the
509
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case on Earth.
510
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:33.720
Not so much, my friend, not not so much. If
511
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we if we look at our world today, no it doesn't.
512
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.400
It's almost the oddity. And when you find someone who's
513
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good and wise at that level of leadership, your story
514
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is fascinating, man, it really really is. I have a
515
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few quess I have a handful of questions when you
516
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during this whole process. Well, first of all, do you
517
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remember any other physical incarnations? Do you remember, like any
518
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:02.839
past lives.
519
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.400
I have some snippet memories from other certain experiences. I
520
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.839
remember being a woman who had given birth and having
521
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being pregnant a second time, and the fear that I've
522
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:19.200
experienced in this life I experienced as that woman because
523
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:20.960
I was afraid of the pain of having to give
524
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child birth a second time. That's just an example. So
525
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I have some some short, you know, brief memories like that,
526
00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:31.119
not too much, you know, like sometimes when I'm curious,
527
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:32.920
I try to reach out to that and I just
528
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:35.079
get this gentle like, no, you don't need to know that,
529
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:37.599
And I'm totally okay with that. You know, I respect,
530
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I respect the veil as I'm still veiled very much.
531
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So you're not you weren't Alexander the Great or someone
532
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:46.559
like that, because everyone always is fair. They're very famous
533
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:48.119
in their past lives.
534
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:55.079
Francis is ASISI no, just no, no, okay.
535
00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:59.319
So when you when you lost your memories, I'm assuming
536
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you lived life went down the road. I've read somewhere
537
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that you were working in a nuclear in the nuclear
538
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:10.759
industry somewhere, and you were you spiritual at this point? Yeah.
539
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:13.240
I think I've always been spiritual, but for the majority
540
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of my adult life, early adult life at least, it
541
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:21.640
was through a Lutheran Christian context. And you know, part
542
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:25.319
of my awakening process was a deconstruction of up what
543
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.359
until that point had been, you know, my religious beliefs.
544
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:32.279
I had to be humble enough to recognize that I
545
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:35.359
had certain key ideas wrong. But I was always seeking,
546
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you know, And it was it was that seeking that
547
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led me initially to the work of the physicist and
548
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:45.319
consciousness explorer Tom Campbell. And it was one sentence he
549
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:47.759
said in one of his videos, actually that sent me
550
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down this whole path.
551
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
552
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and now back to the show.
553
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And you know so I'm very grateful to Tom. His
554
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:05.960
book and his teachings helped a lot. The biggest thing
555
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:08.240
he said was go meditate, Go find out for yourself.
556
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Go see what you are, what your awareness is, beneath thoughts,
557
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:16.680
not the thoughts, not the stories, not to sensations. Go
558
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:21.160
investigate very objectively what your awareness is. And I love
559
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:24.599
that advice. I feel like I found so much through that.
560
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:27.599
There are so many answers that are available to us
561
00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:31.279
through our true nature, you know, beneath the human thinking
562
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.880
that seems to be so important to us every day.
563
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:36.920
So when you started to get these memories back. How
564
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:42.319
did you handle the rush of knowledge and understanding? I mean,
565
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I'm assuming it was jarring at that at that because
566
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:47.759
as we get older, we become more it's we're not
567
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as manuable in our thought patterns. It's a little bit harder.
568
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:54.880
I understand what you're why you're asking that. But actually
569
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:56.640
I think in my case, it was a state of
570
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awareness that changed first, and then the memories were then natural.
571
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:04.680
You know, as I grew more and more in awareness
572
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of what I really am, which is my awareness itself,
573
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consciousness itself and less associated with the thinking and those
574
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firm identity thoughts that seemed to make us up. That
575
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was first. And then once that was where I was,
576
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:24.240
larger aspects of myself began to rise up all on
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their own. So for me it actually was not shocking.
578
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:29.240
It was the more normal thing.
579
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:34.559
Yeah. And when did you decide to come out of
580
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:38.359
the closet, as they say, with this information, because like
581
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:40.160
you said, yeah, it clear's a room.
582
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:43.119
Yeah, it does clear room now. I think about four
583
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:46.480
and a half years ago or so, I decided to share.
584
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:51.279
I felt intuitively nudged to do it, and I after
585
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:53.240
I shared the first time, I remember going for a
586
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:55.000
walk and feeling relieved that I'd shared it. But I
587
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:59.599
also felt this energetic shift in the like branches and
588
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:03.079
I'm like, what is that? That's interesting. It's a very
589
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:05.400
personal story, you know, and it's like, I'm a normal guy.
590
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:10.079
I don't consider myself special in any way, and I
591
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:14.000
live a normal, you know, relatively normal American human life.
592
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:18.519
So sharing did take some courage, especially because in my case,
593
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:22.240
my wife's parents are very conservative, and it did cause
594
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quite a social difficulty, you know, for us, with me sharing.
595
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:29.680
This Thanksgiving dinner was rough, is what you're saying.
596
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:33.759
Basically, yes, But on the other hand, what are we
597
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:37.400
afraid of? You know? Our true nature is what it is.
598
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.880
I couldn't not share. In fact, when it first came
599
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:42.839
back to me, I remember this sounds so silly to
600
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me now, but I remember saying to my wife, I'm
601
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:47.839
going to create flyers and I'm going to go and
602
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:49.960
put them in people's mailboxes, and I want to tell
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00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.359
people you are a multi dimensional being having a human
604
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:55.480
experience and there's nothing to fear. And she's like, if
605
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.160
you do that, you're going to be that guy. And
606
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:58.519
I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going.
607
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:00.200
To be that guy.
608
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:02.680
So I didn't do that because that would make me
609
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:04.920
that guy, and you know that's not the way to
610
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.799
reach people, I guess. But I was very excited, is
611
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.200
when I'm what I'm saying, Like when I realized this,
612
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:12.400
like when I had out of body experiences. I mean,
613
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.440
it's it's so eye opening. You just want to go
614
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.440
up to people and say, you don't need to be afraid.
615
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.799
You are a multi dimensional being having a human experience.
616
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:24.279
This whole thing is like a play that we've created
617
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:28.160
for fun and for expansion and for creativity. There's nothing
618
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:31.359
ultimately to fear and when because when we know that,
619
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:35.000
when we know who we really are man, we can
620
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:37.720
live lives of joy and we can shine that joy
621
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to each other. We can be free here on earth.
622
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:44.400
We can actualize our true loving nature in the earth context.
623
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:45.640
That's what it's all about.
624
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:48.480
You know. It's not all about moving objects and buying
625
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:52.440
the things and making the big empires. No, it's it's
626
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.880
the acts of love. It's the quality of intention that
627
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:58.680
we bring into even the smallest moments, you know, like
628
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.680
even how we pet a dog, ugger, smile at someone
629
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:07.519
in the store or whatever. Those things that that genuine
630
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.320
love and that genuine joy that we bring into earth
631
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:13.519
in even the smallest context, that's what matters. The context
632
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:14.800
itself is kind of like.
633
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:15.519
A big illusion.
634
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:21.559
But we are spirit, our consciousness, were we endure. We
635
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.840
are like the substance of what really is, and our intent,
636
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:29.840
our ability to choose something, is our primary power. It
637
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:33.920
transcends the physical, It transcends, it operates through any reality
638
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:37.199
system that we engage. So if we can evolve the
639
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:41.559
quality of our intention towards love and past fear, that
640
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:46.039
is lasting growth, that's lasting power and expansion that remains
641
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:49.920
with us far past the end of these extreme limitations
642
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:51.079
of this earthly experience.
643
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:53.440
So it's very much like, and I've said this on
644
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:55.320
the show before, it's very much like playing a video
645
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:57.920
game where the higher self, the soul, is the player
646
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:02.280
and then we are zeld to uh and we're running
647
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:07.239
around and we as players on the beyond the veil,
648
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:08.840
We're like, oh, yeah, let's go down that road. He
649
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.360
needs experience points in order to defeat the next level,
650
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:14.079
and it's not going to be easy, and we don't
651
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:15.519
want to go do that, but he's going to probably
652
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:18.280
die a couple of times beating up these ogres because
653
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:21.800
he needs the experience levels to be able to move
654
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:24.559
on figure to the grind right, you have to and
655
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:26.760
keep doing it. So us up top, we're like, this
656
00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:28.599
is you know, this is work. We gotta do. This
657
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:32.519
is you know. But I'm assuming for Zelda it's terrifying.
658
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:35.719
So yeah, no, so that's a I saw. I want
659
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:37.760
to just make a comment here because that so I
660
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.440
understand that from the human perspective, it feels like we're
661
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:44.000
just Zelda, and then there must be some higher soul
662
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.119
we're a part of that's making these big old decisions
663
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:48.360
and here we are just stuck in the rat race.
664
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:51.679
To a certain extent, I mean, yeah, I just want
665
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:51.960
to yeah.
666
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:53.119
Yeah, So I'm just I.
667
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:53.960
Just want a connection.
668
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:56.079
Still, Oh there's more. Yeah, so it's more than just
669
00:35:56.119 --> 00:35:58.559
a connection. I just this is important that the higher
670
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.840
self is you, right, like like the you that feels
671
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:04.000
like you to you, the you that's making the decisions,
672
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:07.559
the you that lifts your hand is your higher self.
673
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:10.039
That's the same you that's going to be here after
674
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:12.440
the body is gone. So sometimes we want to play
675
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:13.880
Zelda without a sword.
676
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:17.519
You know, if we be your game, you and I
677
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:19.760
are of similar vintage that you know Contra.
678
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:24.440
You remember Contra Up and down, down, left, left, right, start?
679
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.920
How many times did you beat that game with the
680
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.000
cheat code where you had all the power and all
681
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.800
the guns and you would fly through the game. I
682
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:35.679
remember at a certain point, I'm like, you know what,
683
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:39.000
I'm going to play this like one eye open because
684
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:40.920
I knew the game so well that I needed to
685
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:44.760
challenge myself constantly, and I would play the game again
686
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:46.400
like I want to. I can't play. I'm only going
687
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.000
to lose. I can't lose one life after the entire
688
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:50.920
thing without losing a life. If I lose a life,
689
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:52.639
I start again. I'm not even gonna try. So I
690
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.639
would challenge myself constantly because we had the secret code.
691
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.719
So it's in a very very similar way what we're
692
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:00.440
doing is like that.
693
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.079
So you could say metaphorically, some of the higher, less
694
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:06.239
constraining reality systems are like playing Contract with the cheat
695
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.039
code on, so you have unlimited lives and you can't fail.
696
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:11.239
But then when you really want to play and you
697
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:13.039
really want to try to do it without the cheat cooke,
698
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:14.599
guess what you find out You're not as good as
699
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:15.320
you thought you were.
700
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:17.880
Right, Yeah, because it's a lot easier when you have
701
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:21.119
dial Yeah, when you have the big sword and you
702
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:22.719
know where everything is, but all of a sudden, the
703
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:25.159
sword's gone. In your hand to hand combat, it's not
704
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:27.360
so easy anymore with the odors coming out at you.
705
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:29.440
And that's how it is with Earth. So here we
706
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:33.320
are maybe with a broken body, yeah, or maybe with
707
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:37.400
a circumstance where you were not given the love, the
708
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:45.480
nurturing that you needed to grow psychologically well. Or maybe
709
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:50.360
you have some context in your society that is very challenging.
710
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:55.239
Maybe it's a war torn context. There's so many rich,
711
00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:59.039
rigorous contexts on Earth. But what's really important to understand
712
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:03.920
is the contract asked that Earth makes available is the tool.
713
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:10.119
Like we transcend the contrast, we are nondual. You could say,
714
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:13.760
you know, we we transcend all the ups and downs
715
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:16.280
of Earth, but we use it. We use the contrast,
716
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:21.599
and through it we can refine and expand who and
717
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:27.760
what we really are. That expansion is incredibly valuable and powerful.
718
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.079
And not every being wants to play contra without the
719
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:35.679
cheek coke, but the beings who want to try, well,
720
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you could say, not everybody wants to climb mount Everest.
721
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:42.519
But there are those who go climb Mount Everest and
722
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:44.280
then when they get there they're like, oh my gosh,
723
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:49.000
it's cold. There's no oxygen up here. That's that's correct.
724
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:53.639
That is the nature sometimes of the human experience. Right,
725
00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:57.880
it's cold. There may not be any oxygen, whatever that
726
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.599
metaphor might mean in your life. The question is whether
727
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.679
or not it's cold. The question is what you do
728
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:04.840
with it. The question is, now, how do you meet
729
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.800
this moment? Can you meet this moment with love rather
730
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.239
than fear? Whatever that means, all the things that love
731
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:16.960
can mean, humility, compassion, gentleness, even with yourself strength, you know, perseverance,
732
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.000
all the things that love can mean rather than fear
733
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:21.320
and all the protections.
734
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:21.320
Of the ego.
735
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:24.480
Can you do that even in your context. That's the
736
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:28.119
name of the game. And it is an incredible opportunity.
737
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:35.000
It's not some you know, masochistic exercise. It is a gift.
738
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:39.360
Being human is like being given a winning lottery ticket.
739
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:41.440
And now that you're here, you get to decide what
740
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:42.800
to do. It's amazing.
741
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.199
So then let me ask you that question. How are
742
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:49.400
souls chosen? I'm assuming there are a limited amount of souls,
743
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.039
though they keep growing, I mean, our population keeps growing.
744
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:53.719
Well, there's a limited amount of avatars.
745
00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:57.039
Yeah, there's a delimited amount of Zelda's out there that
746
00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:00.000
we can play this game with. So how are soul
747
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:05.679
chosen for this experience? We'll be right back after a
748
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:11.639
word from our sponsor and now back to the show.
749
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.400
Yeah, so what I can so what I do? Remember,
750
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:18.800
I mean I certainly can't speak to the full depth
751
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:21.280
of that that question, sure, but I can say at
752
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.719
least two things. First of all, the soul has to
753
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:29.559
be interested because we are, so we're totally free will
754
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:32.159
beings like I mean, it sounds silly, but there are
755
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:34.119
many beings who are not going to decide to like
756
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.079
come to this level of separation, Like this is like
757
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:39.000
going into outer space. You know, no one wants, not
758
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:40.880
everybody wants to go into outer space. Why would you
759
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:42.760
want to do that? That's crazy? Why why would I
760
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:44.800
want to feel this separate from everybody else?
761
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:47.039
Well, it's like it's like right now, Mars, Like there's
762
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:48.719
a big talk about Mars, and like who's going to
763
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:52.000
go to Mars? And in our lifetime humans will probably
764
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.079
go to Mars. And you, as you asked the question.
765
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:57.280
You're like, some guys and gals are like, I want
766
00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:59.480
to be first in line, yeah, and the rest of
767
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:03.639
us I'm like, I know, I don't need experience. I
768
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:07.559
don't need the skydive. I'm solid like in my life
769
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.360
experience right now. But others I need to do it
770
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:12.760
every day. So it's just different.
771
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:14.400
Perspective've got it, No, you got it. And it's very
772
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:16.800
much like that when it comes to physical incarnation. It's
773
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:21.000
like skydiving. Not everybody is going to want a skydive, Okay,
774
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:22.880
So the first thing is they have to want a skydive,
775
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.159
and the second thing is there has to be a
776
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:31.760
level of proficiency. What I mean is we have lots
777
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:34.800
of experience as souls. It's not just the physical. It's
778
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:37.280
not like there's physical and then one other reality and
779
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:41.719
that's it. There are countless reality systems, many with rules
780
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:44.639
that are very very different from our Earth experience and
781
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:48.199
for different purposes. And as souls we engage all sorts
782
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:51.159
of different experiences, and so in order to play a
783
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:55.760
human you have to have a certain level of the
784
00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:58.840
language is very lacking here, but soul proficiency, you know,
785
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:02.679
you need to be eddy so to speak to engage
786
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:06.159
a context that's this rigorous, and so then the guides
787
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:10.679
are very adept at matching because they they know the
788
00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:15.280
goal of the game, so to speak, and they understand
789
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:17.480
us very well because they're very of all, very loving,
790
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.760
very wise, and so they are very good at like
791
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:23.360
going through the database. You could say, you know, you
792
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:25.280
might think of it like putting in a search in
793
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:27.519
a Google search or something like. They put in parameters,
794
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:30.079
and this is just a metaphor. They're putting the parameters
795
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:31.719
of you and your intentions and what you're looking for.
796
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:34.440
They get back some results, they review the results, and
797
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:36.440
then they take some to you and ask you about
798
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:37.840
what do you think about these Some people are given
799
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.039
multiple lives to choose from. In my case, it was
800
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:42.280
just they brought me one and then they brought me
801
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:46.880
one because my intention was very specific. Other beings may
802
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:50.079
have much less specificity with their intention for incarnation, and
803
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:52.400
it's just like give me what I can whatever, I'll
804
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:53.920
take anything. I just want to I just want to
805
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:55.360
want to get in. I just want to get in
806
00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:59.880
and get some experience for me a coach exactly.
807
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.719
So there was I've heard from other from near death
808
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:08.719
experiences and other other spiritually. You know, of all people
809
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:10.840
that I've spoken to on the show, that there are
810
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:16.400
lifetimes that are called either vacation lifetimes or just like, hey,
811
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:18.519
you know what, in this life, I've really had a
812
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:21.159
last two or three lives a bit pretty rough. I
813
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:23.679
wouldn't just I would write, let me just do this
814
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:27.519
lifetime where I have a body that can absorb as
815
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:31.519
many drugs and alcohol as humanly possible. I'd like to
816
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:33.480
be rich. I'd like to have, you know, be able
817
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:35.840
to do this, and that I just want to enjoy myself.
818
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:38.960
Let's see what happens. And that's a lifetime. Because you know,
819
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:41.559
you and I both know in the press there's constantly
820
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:45.039
these people who have these lives that put it out there.
821
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:47.280
So have you do you understand that? Does that make sense?
822
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:49.880
And by the way, that's just one vacation. That's one
823
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:51.719
avatar who wants to do a lot of drugs and
824
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:53.920
wants to drink and be able to do There are
825
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:56.320
other ones as well, But I'm just curious, have you
826
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:57.280
what's your thoughts on that?
827
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:00.519
Yeah, so I didn't review you that specificar in my
828
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:02.599
pre birth experience, but I do feel that we sign
829
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.800
up for certain kinds of experiences, and relaxing experiences may
830
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:11.199
may occur. I'm reminded of one of the Seth Seth
831
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:15.440
Speaks comments. He says something like, while they're typically very
832
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:18.400
busy and active as souls, they might take a break
833
00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:21.039
by incarnating as a very simple life form for a
834
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:24.840
while to just exist. And so I don't have firsthand
835
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:29.039
experience with that, but I feel intuitively that that's probably correct.
836
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:31.679
You know that we can sign up for vacation type experiences.
837
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:34.039
That being said, like you said, it's not the context
838
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.840
itself that makes a life of vacation. We can. Actually
839
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:41.079
it's actually the quality of our being that enables, within
840
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.920
a given level of constraint us to have, you know,
841
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:48.960
a more loving expression of joy or not. So, yes,
842
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:51.960
we might sign up for less constraining lifetimes depending.
843
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:53.519
Well, yeah, like if you if you sign up to
844
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:57.599
be a fisherman in Fiji and you never leave the
845
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:01.960
island and your entire life is about fishing, spending time
846
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:05.840
with your family, living in paradise, not a rich person
847
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:07.639
by any stretch of the imagination. But when you wake
848
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:09.599
up in the morning every day you wake up in
849
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:12.760
your in Fiji, that might be a lifetime, and that's
850
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:14.360
a simple life in many ways.
851
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:16.559
So yeah, it's not that Fiji, it's not that Fiji
852
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:20.559
is charged. We actually apply the meaning to all the context,
853
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:24.079
including Fiji. Fiji has very nice colors and temperatures by
854
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:27.119
comparison to some other places on Earth. But we always
855
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:29.159
apply the meaning to our lives. So I'm just I'm
856
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:31.360
just pointing that out because a vacation life is not
857
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:35.440
specific to a location or even an occupation. It's the
858
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:37.320
quality of being we bring into it and the meaning
859
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:41.000
that we put onto a given context. And now I'll
860
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:45.119
just also just say this, like from my perspective, I
861
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:47.440
suspect that when I'd like to rest, it's not going
862
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:50.480
to be through an incarnation. There are ways to exist
863
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:54.079
that are much less constraining. So you know, it's not
864
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:57.159
just that there's physical and that's your only option. There
865
00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.119
are many other reality systems and states of being.
866
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.320
But this is the but this is the densest.
867
00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:07.360
Yes, this is so, this is the I remember, uh okay,
868
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.199
I don't know if you want to go down this avenue,
869
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:13.320
but I remember knowing. I know this is going to
870
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:17.920
sound really woo hoo, but I remember being aware as
871
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:21.760
this universe was going to be created, and knowing that
872
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:25.199
there was this intention being issued forth from source but
873
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:28.039
through us all we were all involved to take this
874
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:31.320
to the next level, like the next density, well, the
875
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:37.119
new lowest density experience, and we were full of so
876
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.320
much excitement at it. So it's like this, there's like
877
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:44.840
this huge in breadth and outbreathing of universes, you could say,
878
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:50.119
and there's like this beautiful pause between. This is very
879
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.440
hard to describe, but there's these moments that there's a
880
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:54.159
pause and then Okay, now we're going to take this
881
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.199
to the next level. And there was so much excitement
882
00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:00.159
to be able to be this dense, to have this
883
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:06.199
extreme level of engagement and contrast, because then the opportunity
884
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:09.639
for expansion is that much more too. It's a heavier
885
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:12.400
way to lift, exactly, it's a heavier weight to lift.
886
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.119
You're gonna you're gonna grow, your muscles are gonna grow
887
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:16.400
much faster if you're lifting.
888
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:19.159
Heavy exactly exactly. That's a that's a great metaphor that
889
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:21.079
it's exactly like, why would you ever lay down on
890
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:23.960
the weight bench and lift one hundred pounds instead of twenty?
891
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:27.199
You know that that's a good metaphor for why would you.
892
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:30.480
I mean, it's certainly has limited The metaphor certainly has limits,
893
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:32.920
but it's not a bad metaphor for why we would
894
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:34.679
sign up for challenging contexts?
895
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:35.960
Right exactly?
896
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:39.719
There are There are profound opportunities in the context, even
897
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.039
if from the human point of view they seem very difficult.
898
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:47.880
Yeah, I mean, yeah, without question. Now, this is a concept.
899
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:49.760
I'd love to hear your thoughts. And I've heard others
900
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:53.079
speak about this. Of the I forgot who it was
901
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:55.960
use this analogy, but it was kind of like dealing
902
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:59.599
a deck of cards where you as the higher self
903
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:04.239
the soul is the the dealer, if you will, and
904
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:08.360
each card is a life, and you could have multiple
905
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:12.079
lifetimes at the same time, but all still connected to
906
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:14.920
the player in the game. Because from my understanding, even
907
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:18.880
from studying spiritual text, that the higher self the soul
908
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:21.719
can do multiple things at the same.
909
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:22.320
Time the same week.
910
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.320
If we can't, then Jesus has a lot of people
911
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:27.840
on near death because Jesus is always working on near
912
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:30.239
death experiences. He's a he's a he's the hardest working
913
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:32.760
man up there, I'll tell you. And so if he
914
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:34.679
can't do that at the same time, he's got other
915
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:38.280
doppel gangers working for it. So I'm assuming that beings
916
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:40.320
can do multiple things at the same time, be at
917
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:42.599
multiple places at the same time. So what are your
918
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:46.599
thoughts of us being able to experience multiple lifetimes at
919
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:47.199
the same time.
920
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:52.880
Yes, yes, so all linear time is a creation. It's
921
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:59.280
not fundamental, right, it's it's a way of experiencing. Okay.
922
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:03.480
So that's an important way to approach linear time because
923
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:07.400
we tend to think of linear time as like a fundamental,
924
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:13.480
you know, part of reality, right, But actually what's happening
925
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:16.559
is not the physical universe. What's happening is your experience
926
00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:20.960
of the physical universe, and that experience takes place in sequence. Okay,
927
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:24.360
but to the higher self, the higher self transcends that
928
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:27.400
linear time sequence, and so from our perspective, we could
929
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:33.760
say that all is happening in one now. Now these
930
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:37.119
this language is very limiting, and it's very difficult to
931
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:39.199
speak to you from here, because again we're coming from
932
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:43.519
the very perspective of defining linear time, like we are
933
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:46.519
at the extreme point looking back saying what do you
934
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:49.920
mean everything's happening at once? From the soul vantage point
935
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:54.199
I can at least say there's like higher time, and
936
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:57.760
there is sequence that takes place, but it's all within
937
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:01.280
the one. Now, that's that's the only way I can
938
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:03.159
that's the only way I can probably speak to that.
939
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
940
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:16.719
and now back to the show. So it's possible. In
941
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:18.920
other words, it's yeah, there's a possibility of it. Yeah.
942
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:21.360
In our metaphor of playing a video game, you can
943
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:23.119
play more than one video game at once. There's no
944
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:25.679
reason you can't play Zelda and Contra at the same time.
945
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:30.159
Right exactly, though it'd be challenging for us to.
946
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:32.800
Be challenging, but for the higher self, it's not challenging.
947
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:36.320
Like in my pre birth experience when I reviewed all
948
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:40.639
the possibilities of this life, I reviewed millions and millions
949
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:45.199
of possibilities in seconds. You know, it was not hard.
950
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:48.639
The bandwidth is ridiculously wide.
951
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:52.119
Its infinite, it's infinite almost.
952
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:54.280
It's almost infinite, you know, it's I don't know, I
953
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:56.000
don't know what to put words on. It's it's huge.
954
00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:59.800
So that's the that's what the soul, you know, is
955
00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:02.320
wor working with. It's not like this time you could
956
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:05.480
think of the human as like a subset of the soul,
957
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:07.800
and this subset is bound until any of your time,
958
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.280
but the soul isn't right exactly.
959
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:13.519
What is your understanding of soul groups?
960
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:17.360
Yeah, so I'm aware that soul groups exist. I don't
961
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:19.639
have too much specific knowledge about them, but I haven't
962
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:22.360
had times in my life when I've come across individuals
963
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:25.159
who I felt were a part of my group. It's
964
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:28.000
been that people have different meanings for soul group. The
965
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:31.559
way I'm using the term is not multiple characters of
966
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:33.920
one soul. I'm talking about multiple souls that are of
967
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:38.639
one vibrational affiliation or something. So I do feel that
968
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:44.719
they exist and that they perform similar work. You could say, like,
969
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:49.639
as souls, we have certain oh the language is so bad,
970
00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:54.559
certain qualities or capabilities that are unique to us. Like
971
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:59.400
each one of us is like a vibrational universe, and
972
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:05.519
that vibrational universe has many colors and sounds and qualities
973
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:11.440
and aspects. It's very hard to describe. So I feel
974
00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:17.840
that souls that are of a similar bend or intention
975
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:25.039
work together and congregate because in higher systems, geography is vibrational.
976
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:30.079
It's not physical, physical geography may occur in reality systems,
977
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:32.920
but we tend to relate to those that we are
978
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.440
vibrationally resonant with. Earth is the place where you can
979
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:37.079
shove two people in a room and they don't resonate,
980
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:38.519
and now you get to be stuck with them.
981
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:44.519
Oh yes, oh yes, my friend, Oh yes, yes, I've
982
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:46.000
had I've had that happen a couple of times in
983
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:46.440
my life.
984
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:51.280
I'm sure have experienced that, but in higher systems, like
985
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:53.119
I'll just give a very brief example. One time I
986
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:56.320
was out of body and I was doing something, and
987
00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:58.599
then this woman came to me, who I know physically
988
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:01.519
in my city and I were in a mediumship circle
989
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:05.639
together and she got my attention. She's like, hey, it's
990
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:08.559
Mary and tolopathically exchanging. She's like, we're going to go
991
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:09.599
to this other place. And I was like, no, I'm
992
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:11.440
going over here. I'll see you later, and I just
993
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:14.880
zoomed off and did my thing. At this I want
994
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:16.719
to try to describe. It was an energetic work that
995
00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:19.559
I was going to do, so there was no like pretense,
996
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:21.719
there's no social pretense. It's like, no, I'm doing this.
997
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:25.000
But two weeks later, when I saw her in person
998
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:27.000
when she opened her front door to me on Earth,
999
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:30.599
she said, you blew me off. I couldn't believe she
1000
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:32.639
remembered it. I was like, I did, I can't believe
1001
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:33.159
you remember that.
1002
00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:34.320
I did believe off. I'm sorry.
1003
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:36.519
Like, from the human standpoint, you have to say you're sorry,
1004
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:39.480
But from the energetic standpoint, it's okay. Everybody is exactly
1005
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:41.519
who they are. It's okay. If you resonate with that
1006
00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:43.599
over there and I resonate with this over here, that's great.
1007
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.159
You're who you are, I'm who I am, and so
1008
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:49.840
that vibrational like you know, you follow your intention where
1009
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:51.800
it wishes to go. You don't like sit there and
1010
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:55.599
make yourself you know, you don't force proximity like you
1011
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:57.639
might do because of social convention on Earth.
1012
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:00.920
Fair enough, fair enough. Now, this is the question I
1013
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:03.400
get asked all the time, because you know, on the show,
1014
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:06.800
we've talked about reincarnation, about past lives, about near death experiences,
1015
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:10.000
things like that. Many of these ideas are thousands and
1016
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:13.519
thousands and thousands some of the oldest ideas pre religion,
1017
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:18.079
preorganized religion, even but people always have this one question,
1018
00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:21.360
like why do we forget? Why is it necessary for
1019
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:25.599
us not to remember these quote unquote past lives. I
1020
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:29.400
always say, you can barely deal with the life you have.
1021
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:31.599
Can you imagine having the memory of like four or
1022
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:34.559
five other lives where there's trauma and there's pain and
1023
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.519
there's suffering. How do you think psychologically could deal with it?
1024
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:39.440
But I'd love to hear your point of view on it.
1025
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:43.000
Yeah, no, exactly. So, first of all, the forgetting is
1026
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:49.079
additive for a few reasons. Okay, One, you are okay,
1027
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:51.920
if you want to fully experience being the human, you've
1028
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:53.840
got to be the human man. You know, if you
1029
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:55.519
want to be Zelda, you got to be Zelda. You
1030
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:58.880
can't be Contra. Contra's not in Zelda. There's no Contra
1031
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:03.039
in Zelda. There's just Zelda and Zelda. Right, So if
1032
00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:06.000
you want to be the human in your story, then
1033
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:09.639
you need to surrender and let go of everything else
1034
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:15.280
to be fully immersed in your human perspective. That full
1035
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:21.760
immersion is precisely where the value is. So it actually
1036
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:26.599
adds perspective value when you can forget everything else and
1037
00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:30.639
only have the perspective of being Alex or whoever is
1038
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:34.320
listening today. And then it's also additive because, like you said,
1039
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.559
you are basically free from so. Okay, so we do
1040
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:39.880
have qualities that we carry from life to life because
1041
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.360
we are the same soul from given life to life.
1042
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:46.960
But a given lifetime might develop certain attachments, form associations
1043
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:50.639
and ego patterns, and so it can be helpful to
1044
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:55.039
let that go. And like the root fear, if it's unaddressed,
1045
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:59.760
could remain from one experience to another. But let's say
1046
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:04.639
one life you really strongly associated associate with some conservative religious,
1047
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.440
you know, affiliation, and let's say you're a terrorist or something.
1048
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:12.039
You know, if you live another life, that whole association
1049
00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:13.800
is not even there anymore. It's gone, like you have
1050
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:16.760
no memory that. Now you're still you. But now you
1051
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:19.199
get a fresh sleep. Now you get to start completely over.
1052
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:21.280
You get to you have to learn everything over again,
1053
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.239
all the language, all the all the patterns of life,
1054
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:27.000
everything your parents teach you. Everything has to be relearned.
1055
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.840
But that's not just negative. It's it's like a new
1056
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:34.119
it's like being given a brand new set of cards.
1057
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:37.280
We're starting the level over again. Start, you're starting the
1058
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:38.239
level over again, but.
1059
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:42.639
Without even start, without any information about the game. Right, Well,
1060
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:45.000
it's like, while you do you actually the sole level,
1061
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.719
you have some information. It's like starting a brand new
1062
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:50.199
game so that you can just play that game, and
1063
00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:55.079
that is what playing that game is about. So I
1064
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:56.760
think that's the most concise way to put that. And
1065
00:56:56.760 --> 00:57:01.159
the third reason is that being veil protects us from
1066
00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:08.440
homesickness because the depth of joy and love and freedom
1067
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:12.159
that we really are is, oh my gosh, it's breath
1068
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:17.760
takingly deep and vast and huge, and to have recollection
1069
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:20.480
of that can be debilitating, Like how are you going
1070
00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:22.039
to get up and go to work in the morning.
1071
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:26.320
If you knew, for instance, that the sun was in
1072
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:28.159
you right now, you could feel it.
1073
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:31.079
Like I say that because of my pre birth experience,
1074
00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:33.320
I felt that I knew the sun was in me.
1075
00:57:33.800 --> 00:57:35.119
The sun is a part, I'm a part of it.
1076
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:37.599
I'm a part of the sun. Sounds wild from the
1077
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:39.159
human point of view, but from there I could feel it.
1078
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:41.719
I just consciously feel it in my body. So imagine
1079
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:43.960
if you could feel that in the body of your awareness,
1080
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:47.000
how would you go and go to McDonald's and order
1081
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:51.440
your coffee? You know you couldn't. So in that sense,
1082
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:55.199
the veil is enabling and then what's important is like
1083
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:58.199
if you imagine the veil like locking someone into a position,
1084
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:02.320
and then you work with in that position and you refine,
1085
00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:04.320
and then when you let the veil off, now you
1086
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:08.559
expand back out because you did all this work at
1087
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:12.559
a limited place. Like maybe if you wore a one
1088
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:16.000
hundred pound coat, you put the coat on, Now you've
1089
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:17.920
got to walk around for a whole lifetime this one
1090
00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:22.360
hundred pound coat. You learn how to walk with one
1091
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:27.920
hundred pounds on you, and then when you take it off, Oh,
1092
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:30.519
the one hundred pounds aren't native to me, but you
1093
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:33.760
retain the ability to walk that you develop, You retain
1094
00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:36.599
your strength, the strength, yeah, the.
1095
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:38.360
Strength and the skill that you have. Yeah, a lot
1096
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:40.400
of people I've heard that analogy a lot of times,
1097
00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:42.840
Like it's a big thick coat and just like piled
1098
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:44.719
on and piled on and piled on, and it's very
1099
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:47.719
dense and it's hard to move, and it's that kind
1100
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:52.880
of world. Well, you obviously know firsthand have experience of
1101
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:55.840
everything you just said would be very difficult to deal with.
1102
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:58.880
How do you deal with the knowledge that you have
1103
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:01.119
in this physical experience.
1104
00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:04.280
Yeah, so I don't consider myself special. Like I said,
1105
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.360
I'm still very much veiled in my own walk. I
1106
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:11.480
really seek to fully accept the limitations that I experience
1107
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:14.760
and to meet fear if and when it arises. I
1108
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:16.679
have done a lot of that. In fact, this pre
1109
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:19.280
birth memory could only return to me after I processed
1110
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:21.760
a lot of fear that I had to post traumatic
1111
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:25.400
stress disorder time period after this trauma that occurred on
1112
00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:28.320
twenty two, where I really healed a lot of that fear.
1113
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:31.840
That was very important for me to do so. But
1114
00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:33.760
it's too big to really even do in one lifetime.
1115
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:37.239
You know, it's a very deep process. So I seek
1116
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:41.320
to allow whatever is in this moment, whatever that means,
1117
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:45.239
and to fully experience life here in whatever way I can.
1118
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:52.280
It is difficult to be this limited. It can be also,
1119
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.199
but also I am the one who decides if it's difficult.
1120
00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:59.320
You know, the limitations are just limitations. Sure they may
1121
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:03.320
be so stream, but I seek to allow them and
1122
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:07.320
to you know, experience them. I know that sounds vague, perhaps,
1123
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:10.800
but that that is what this life is, you know.
1124
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:14.960
For me, I do very much look forward to the
1125
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:18.840
you know, to returning. I'm not saying I'm asking to
1126
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:23.159
pass in fact, I'm trying. I'm very careful not to
1127
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:25.320
put energy in that direction. I don't want to inadvertently,
1128
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:27.719
you know, push myself in that direction. I want to
1129
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:31.920
fully use this life if I can. You know, every day.
1130
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:36.119
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
1131
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:41.039
and now back to the show.
1132
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:48.360
But when it's over, it will be wonderful. I just
1133
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:48.719
say that.
1134
01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:52.119
So then with the concept of past lives and that
1135
01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:54.639
we do this again and again until we work on things.
1136
01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:57.639
What is karma and what is the idea of karma
1137
01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:00.519
play into this because a lot of people think, yeah,
1138
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:02.760
karma is like, you know, you hurt somebody, now you
1139
01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:05.280
have to it's a punishment, you have to deal with
1140
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:08.079
it in another life. From my understanding from talking to
1141
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:13.599
different people, it's a choice to work it out. Like
1142
01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:16.400
if like I harmed you in this life, Christian and
1143
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:18.599
I do my life review, I'm like, ah, man, that's
1144
01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:21.639
something I got to really work on. You want to
1145
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:24.960
add that extra level of difficulty in the game the
1146
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:27.880
next time around so you can work through that, so
1147
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:30.639
you can continue your evolution. So it's a true choice
1148
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:32.679
as opposed to a punishment. Is that how you see
1149
01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:33.079
it as well?
1150
01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:37.840
Absolutely, Yeah, it's absolutely a choice. So karma is what
1151
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:41.519
we could just say cause and effect. Basically, you are
1152
01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:44.239
who you are. That's the simplest way to put karma.
1153
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:48.559
You know, if you are a person who is who's
1154
01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:51.360
relied on fear and ego and hurt others, then that's
1155
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:55.400
who you are. And so then when you get to
1156
01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:57.159
the other side and you see the effect you had
1157
01:01:57.159 --> 01:02:01.119
on others, it's not that there's this judgment like, oh,
1158
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:05.199
you you know you hurt this person next to you. No,
1159
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:09.199
you see who you are, Like you see very clearly,
1160
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:13.760
oh I hurt that person because I have fear, you see,
1161
01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:17.039
or because I have not yet integrated the certain kind
1162
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:20.000
of experience. You see who you are, and so then
1163
01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:22.599
out of your own it's your own choice to say,
1164
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:26.360
you know, I'd really like to integrate that and grow
1165
01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:28.440
through that because I see the benefit of doing that.
1166
01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:33.840
And it's with you. There's like this energetic because you
1167
01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:36.440
are who you are. Who you are remains with you
1168
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:39.800
until you deal with it. So you might say, okay,
1169
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:41.960
so you know how we just were talking about who
1170
01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:47.840
Everything is happening in the one now, Okay, processing fear
1171
01:02:48.079 --> 01:02:50.880
happens in the one now too. So let's say that
1172
01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:52.920
you had an experience when you were four years old
1173
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:56.320
and you locked it away because it was so painful.
1174
01:02:56.360 --> 01:02:58.639
Maybe you were sexually abused, maybe you were beaten. Maybe
1175
01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:00.760
it was just something simple like somebody called you a
1176
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:03.519
name and you locked you know, you really latched onto
1177
01:03:03.559 --> 01:03:05.639
that and lost your sense of self worth. Whatever it is,
1178
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:11.920
the fear that is the rejected, the willingness to reject
1179
01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:14.440
a certain feeling and not process, it is still there.
1180
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:20.760
If you allow in this moment that to arise and
1181
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:24.679
you feel it now at whatever, age, twenty seven, thirty eight,
1182
01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:29.199
ninety one, it doesn't matter, then you are meeting the
1183
01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:33.119
same energy in the one now, even if it was
1184
01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:37.400
something that seemed to have been too difficult or too big. See,
1185
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:40.079
because we've locked things away because they're too big. This
1186
01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:42.239
fear is too big, this trauma is too big. I
1187
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:45.000
can't possibly look at that. There's no way it's going
1188
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:47.159
to destroy me if I look at it. That's how
1189
01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:49.400
it feels. That's how it felt with my fear, my
1190
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trauma that I experienced in China, I had post traumatic stress.
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It was so deep, it was so terrible. I couldn't
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even look at it. I had disassociated from myself even
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to escape this fear that was so big it felt
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like it would destroy me. Our fear will not destroy us.
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We are bigger, we are deeper. The consciousness is deeper
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than the deepest fear. But we need to be willing
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to allow it and feel it in this moment. And
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when we do it in this moment, you see that
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heals through all the moments, and then you don't have
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to experience it anymore. Actually, so you don't go into
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it because you're trying to get rid of it.
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You allow and accept it and.
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Fully feel feel it to heal it, feel it to
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process it. And when you do that, now you've done
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that within all the nows you see, including the other
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lives that you may be living. You know that moment,
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that very moment when you decide how you meet a
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difficult vibration is the key. It's very empowering. You know,
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we tend to get overwhelmed by all mine.
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I have all these.
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Years of sludge. How do I deal with all that?
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You just meet this moment, this moment has the power.
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Very It's a very powerful idea. Without question. I have
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to ask you this though, because this is something that
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I get all the time as well. When you say
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you know, oh you hurt somebody in this life, well,
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people will always bring up, well, how about Genghis Khan
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he murdered six million, ten million people? Or you know
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in war or in you know that you you know,
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mass killers or whatever these kind of there's just extreme
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versions of calling someone a name killing nine million people.
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Two different signs. Somewhere in between those two things, there
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is a line. There's a line somewhere we tend to.
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Right in our mind. So you're like, you know, that's
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why in the whole concept of hell and you have
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to be internally damned like you So what do you
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can you explain to everybody how you process as a
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soul that you were Genghis Khan?
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Okay, so yeah, yeah, So the first of all, when
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you process from the other side, you see exactly who
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you are, and even there, wisdom is not automatic. You
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still have to decide what you're going to do with it.
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If you caused huge amounts of damage, then that's the
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person that you were. You're capable of causing huge amounts
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of damage. You then will decide what to do with them.
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I think it's very important in the meantime to not
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draw a huge distinction between levels of fear. And I
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know that levels of scope consequence earthly consequence may vary significantly,
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but there is not a very significant difference between my fear,
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your fear, or the fear in Adolf Hitler who led
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to his ego that killed millions of people. I know
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the scope may be extremely different, but fear is fear,
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and our own fear is what we're here to process,
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not Adolf Hitler's fear. We need to meet our own fear.
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We're very quick to look at everybody else now the
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external world, and to judge, and to quickly turn a
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blind die to our own weakness, our own fear. That's
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what the ego does, you know. Don't look at that.
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Don't look at what your own issues are. That's too hard.
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It's easier to look out here and regain some power
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by judging or whatever else. But we're here to meet
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our own fear and to grow in love in our
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own way, even if it's very small. When we do that,
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even with a fear that may not have a huge
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scope on the outside, we are helping the collective consciousness
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of humanity to heal. You know, we're giving permission to
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everybody else in the pond to meet their fear, and
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that can very much heal the world, not only externally
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but in each of us, which is where it starts.
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You know, consciousness is first, the product of what it
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decides to do is second.
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So from the perspective of the soul, someone like Gengis Khan,
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it's hard to say from this perspective of the human perspective,
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but someone like Gengis Khan, who who murdered and hurt
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so many people in his lifetime. Without him, those souls
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wouldn't have had the opportunity to experience what the experience is.
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What you're trying to say, Well, for some, for some
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who would have for some who would have experienced some
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challenge that might have been beneficial for them in some way. However,
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this is not about, oh, let's go cause some pain
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because it's beneficial.
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Yeah. Yes, Please everyone listening, please that we're not saying
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that when we choose our contexts, we are loving beings.
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We're beings of love. That's what we are, and we
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seek to express and actualize that through even very difficult contexts.
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That's what we seek to do Now, are we unconditionally
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loved even if we kill a million people? We are.
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I'm not saying it's okay to kill a million people.
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We should a that is not the way of love,
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is not not what we're called to do, but the
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true justice. We want justice. The ego says there must
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be justice. Show me the justice. True justice is that
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even Hitler is loved. I get it makes me emotional
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because we live in a world where so many people
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are hurt and we just want to evoke vengeance on
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each other. I just watched a near death experienceerr on
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your channel. I'm sorry, I forget her name. She had
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she had been raped, and she decided, by her intuitive guidance,
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to not press charges. It was her decision against the person.
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And he found her later in life and said it
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ate him alive, and he ended up becoming a police
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officer and helping many other people to prevent that kind
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of a circumstance because she had not gone ahead and
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brought the justice system down on him. You know, she
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made that decision intuitively. I like cride when I heard that,
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because she tried to make the loving decision even though
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she was the victim, and our world just hurts for
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the even even the perpetrators, to be loved. Love is
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the answer. You know, that is the ultimate healing power.
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And when we get to the other side, we know it.
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Imagine how well how you feel if you know you
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heard a thousand people and you're still loved. Imagine that.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
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and now back to the show, right And it's it's
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a difficult it's a difficult mindfield we're talking about because
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we're talking about two different, very different perspectives, the spiritual
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perspectives the physical perspective. And I know people listening to
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this might have difficulties hearing things like this, but I
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understand the point of view. I understand your point of
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view one hundred percent. Look, Jesus said it, Buddha said it.
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I mean, there's so many spiritual masters who said, you know,
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with you with the first you know who has not
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seen throw the first stone, and things like that. Like,
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we all go through things, some more extreme than others.
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But I'll make.
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One quite common. Please, So love, love is love, Love
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is unconditional love. If there's a message that is less
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than that, it's not the ultimate truth. But Meanwhile, unconditional
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love is also very wise, and the system of karma
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that exists is with is built within that that wisdom.
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So there is not such a thing. So even though
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we are simultaneously uncompletely uncon we're completely unconditionally love. Even
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though that is true, we never escape who we are.
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There's not one thought, there's not one action that doesn't
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have it's it's it's I don't want to use the
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word justice, but it's balance. Balance is the ult We
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are fully responsible for every single thing, we have done everything,
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and so there is I'm just saying that that system
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of true balance takes place within and is fully transcended
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by unconditional love and unfathomable wisdom.
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My friend, I'm gonna ask you a few questions. I
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ask all my guests, and what is your definition of
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living a good.
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Life, living a good life, living a life that is
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in alignment with the love and peace and joy and
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freedom of our true nature in the physical?
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What is your definition of God?
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There are no words that could describe God, the living, loving, conscious,
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sentient foundation of all being who knows us, and the ocean.
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We are drops in the mighty ocean. I love the
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roomy quote, You're not just a drop in the ocean.
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You are the mighty ocean in the drop is and
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that's beautiful, and that ocean is is what we would
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call God.
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And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
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Love? Love is the ultimate purpose of life. And it
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means so many things like we tend to think love
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means the romantic love or the puppy dog love, or
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the parental love, love, real life love, life with the
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capital L, love with the capital L and all the
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things that can mean, living in joy and freedom and
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just doing it. How we can even here in this cold,
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airless Mount Everest context And where.
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Can people find out more about you and the work
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that you're doing? Sir?
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Yeah? So I have a website at Walkanthephysical dot com.
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The book is available for free on the website third
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linked down. It's also on Amazon, and I also recorded
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the audible audiobook last December. And feel free to reach
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out to me by email. I get a lot of emails,
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so I apologize if I can't respond, but if you
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try to respond everybody I can. It's a Walkinthephysical at
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gmail dot com.
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And do you have any final words for our audience? Yeah?
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The last thing I'll say is whoever you are listening today,
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thank you for being human. And you are not just
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the human story you are you like the you that
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feels like you to you, the free, total, full of
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life and love and authentic you is who you are.
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Please don't forget that. We get wrapped up in these deep,
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rich stories. I know it's very intense, Like you know,
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we got to go to work and pay the bills
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and deal with the illnesses and deal with the relationship.
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I know it's rich, but who you are transcends all
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of that and there and then who you really are.
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There is absolutely nothing to fear. That is just such
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an important message that we need to share with each other.
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That I mean need to, but it's beneficial to share
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with each.
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Other rich And I appreciate you coming on the show
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and sharing your journey with us. And I hope this
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helps somebody out there listening right now. And thank you
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for your bravery, and thank you for all the work
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you're doing for humanity as well. My friend, I appreciate you.
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Thank you as well. Alex is a great honor to
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be on.
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Thank you, Thank you for spending this sacred time with
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us today. If you feel cal To explore this conversation further.
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