Cameron Bagg, and Ghost Revelations!

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It surrounds us.
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It's everywhere. Tonight, you will hear from the people who
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live and work within these highly active locations. All in
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the efforts to discover America's Most Haunted. With your host,
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ghost hunter and author, Dan Terry.
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Good evening, boys and ghouls. I am Dan, your ghost
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host with the Most Haunted. And Most Haunted is what
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we've got tonight. Hey, I want you to see the
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shirt I'm wearing. It says, you've made it as a
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ghost hunter when the ghosts know your name. And that's
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who I'm dealing with tonight. Someone that the ghosts are
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already very well familiar with. Cameron Bagg is a Canadian
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paranormal investigator and the founder of the Peterborough Haunt Club,
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which he said is, it's an old one. It's a
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good group of guys. He's kind of their inner circle.
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He looks for ghosts. He has had his share of
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cryptid encounters and spirits, of course. He specializes in spirit photography,
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believe it or not. And he had his own TV
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show called Hauntline up in Canada. And apparently it was
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a very good show in his area, big time. A
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lot of people wanted to come back. And he is
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the author of a book, which I'm looking forward to reading,
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called Ghost Revelations, Adventures of a Technical Medium. So before
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we go on further, let me introduce you to Cameron Beck.
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Good evening.
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Thanks for having me.
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I'm glad you could make it. I've been looking forward
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to this. So you are a lot of spirit photography,
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but you've done a little bit of everything on.
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Here. Yeah, I find once you throw yourself into it,
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you have to experiment, you know, whether it's with digital
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audio recordings, taking energy readings with EMFs. But my main
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tool I use is I try to use digital point
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and shoot cameras. And for me, that sweet spot is,
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you know, roughly between 10 and 20 megapixels is my
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rule of thumb. And that's where I pick up most
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of the good spirit energy. So, yeah, I've spent a
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lot of years also hosting public seminars. And that was
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where I really got practiced. at doing spirit photography. So
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I would have anywhere, you know, 50 to 200 people
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lined up after an event, all wanting to try spirit photography.
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And to be honest, when I started doing it, I
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was more focused on getting paranormal orbs. I wanted to
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get the orbs around people. And now with experimenting with
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thousands of participants, I've learned there's a lot more than
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just paranormal orbs around everybody that can be photographed. And
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I learned a few things also. Sorry if I digress
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a bit here.
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No, go right ahead.
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Believe it or not, laughter seems to be the spirit frequency.
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Laughter and love. And when I would be photographing somebody
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standing up against a black curtain, and I if they
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were grieving too much about a loved one, I would
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get zero orbs around them, zero energy. It was like
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a dead space or a void. But you try to
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put your participant at ease, and I'm a funny guy
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most days, and I would crack a few jokes. And
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next thing I know, that little grandmother who was grieving
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the loss of a granddaughter, once she started laughing, all
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of a sudden, Boom, boom, boom. The orbs came in.
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And I'd start getting spirit orbs. And so that was
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where I got interested in it. And I worked more
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with laughter and just experimenting that way. And so how
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it works is I don't have time to sit there
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on my laptop looking for every paranormal orb as they
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come up in the photograph. I asked the participants to...
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email me later that same night even and remind me
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to say my name's Cheryl and I was wearing a
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green t-shirt blonde hair so I go home with my
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camera I upload the photos and I'll start looking for
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the spirits for them and so I would start looking
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and sure enough I'd start finding orbs and I would
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crop faces and I would give them the critique you
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know it's a man in a hat or a male
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wearing glasses and a mustache or however, whatever appears in the,
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in the orbs. So it's quite fascinating even on that.
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But then I remember one, one particular time I was,
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this was my Eureka moment, I guess, with spirit photography
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and I'm blowing up, I'm enlarging the photos on my
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computer and I'm looking at an orb next to somebody's head.
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Then I recognized in the, in the enlargement that, it's
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not just the orb, that there was a spirit face
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next to the person's temple. Well, then I started looking,
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is there more? And I started paying attention to in
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around the hairline. So I've learned that we have spirits
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around us when I do this with the black curtain
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behind the participant. And using flash photography is the other thing.
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We tend to get spirits hanging around our etheric energy. Or,
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you know, if you think of having a white aura,
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they're in that energy field. So they tend to be
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anywhere from this side of your head all the way
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up and around your hairline and down the other side.
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And you'll get concentrations of spirits, particularly around your temple areas, places.
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And that's where you'll get a lot more groupings of spirits, one,
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twos and threes. And it's also popular to get them
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right on the top of your head. I find when
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I pick up children and animal spirit, I find they're
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right on the top of the person's head. And so
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that's really fascinating. So I can now take these pictures.
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I'm guaranteed 100% I'm going to find spirit around whoever's
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in front of me.
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Okay.
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It's kind of fascinating. And I want to share that
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with people because it's wonderful confirmation to me that spirit
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is real spirits everywhere. And it's something that anybody can do,
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you know, anybody, if they want to test it for themselves,
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they could take their camera, set it up on a timer,
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on a tripod, stand against a black curtain, take their
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own photographs and look for their own spirits. Not easy.
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And I've just feel very fortunate that I stumbled upon
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it and, as with most of my paranormal researches, you know,
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you throw yourself into a reported haunting or an event
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and a lot of the information you get is out
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of luck. I've been very fortunate with that, but I'm
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smart enough to recognize that there's something paranormal going on here.
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So spirit photography is amazing. And something else I learned is,
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because I'm taking a lot of photographs of many people
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at one location, interestingly enough, I will have repeat spirits
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photo bomb the session. So I will get, say, whether
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it's a man in a hat of some kind or
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a lady with a dog, or sometimes I'll get multiple animals.
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If the building was on farmland, it's very common I
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will get cows, sheep, horses showing up. in the energy field.
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And the photobombing spirits, that reveals to me that they're
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spirits that are on the location that we're at, whether
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I'm doing my talk in a library or an old theater.
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So that led me to my next discovery are these
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photobombing spirits. They're at locations wherever. So if you have
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a restaurant that's known to be haunted, You can go
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in there with your black curtain and a participant and
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you can photograph them and you can probably pick up
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the resident spirits in that energy field around the person.
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And I call this the human antenna where we draw
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spirits to us. And then if it's a known spirit
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that has some sort of historical documentation, photographs, some eyewitness
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has seen it, Then you can take the image that
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you've gotten in the person's aura and compare it with
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the photograph of the known spirit. So it's wonderful validation.
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And I'm excited because I'm going to Scotland this year.
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Year.
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Oh, wow.
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I'm going to be bringing my, my little black curtain
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and all my camera gear and every castle, every graveyard
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I go to. And these cemeteries and castles have a
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long history and documented hauntings. Um, my poor wife, I'm
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going to have her be my participant. She'll be my
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human antenna. And, um, we're going to be photographing at
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every stop. We'll take a few pictures like that to
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see if we can validate the known spirits that are
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haunting these locations. So that's exciting. I love spirit photography
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and I, and I try to share it with everybody
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because again, it is so simple to do.
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I gotta say, I like what you're saying about orbs. Um,
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You know how most ghost hunters will tell you 99.9%
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of them is dust and moisture. But I've got so
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many photos of them setting off K2 meters, of them
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being around somebody and then the meter goes off or
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the rods go off as it crosses them. There's more
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to orbs. I'm not saying they're all spirits. I'm sure
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a lot of them are dust and moisture, but there's
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more to it than that.
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Definitely. I call the.
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Skeptics or materialists will tend to say it's pollen, dust, water, whatever, insects. Myself,
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I hate seeing a winged mosquito eater bug that some
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psychic or ghost hunter tries to tell you it's a fairy.
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I get kind of upset with that myself. My rule
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of thumb with orbs, it's like it's the It's like
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the nuclear is the consciousness, and it's pretty tight and compact.
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And the energy is always moving very fast. And if
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you want to see them, you really have to use
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flash photography, I think. And you'll get an image frozen.
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And I have a photograph here. Can I share with you?
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It's an orb picture. You might be able to see
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it here on the camera. I got this photograph at
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a haunted castle in Canada. And it was very exciting
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to me to get this. It's a woman standing up
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on a balcony. And she was just there. And I thought, well,
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that's a really clear orb. So I printed it and
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I stuck it in this frame. And then I dropped
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it and I picked it up. But when I picked
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it up, I picked it up the other way. And
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it's now a woman, an older woman, looking in another direction. Okay.
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So it's a little hard to see there. Okay. These orbs,
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they're like WinZip paranormal files. So they have a lot
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of information in them. And I believe they have many
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lifetimes within them as they're traveling around. And you will
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get sometimes like five or six images within the orb.
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So that can also confuse what you're seeing. But so
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my rule of thumb when I share an orb photo
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with somebody or somebody taking photography with me, You can
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only really count the ones that you can see eyes, nose, mouth, ears.
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I love getting the old guys with the, with the
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goatees and the beards. They really stand out. And a
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lot of your old tiny spirits from a hundred years ago,
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they they'll have the white shirts on with a little
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black tie on. So it's fascinating. And so I have
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a very large collection of paranormal orbs, but yeah, I
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also have a large collection of dust and moisture and bugs.
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Cameron, if you ever get the chance to get down
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to Eureka Springs, Arkansas, there is a hotel there that
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was at one time a cancer hospital. And all the
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orbs come back with faces. Almost all of them have
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faces in them.
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It's incredible.
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I had never seen the faces until I was there.
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Okay.
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Well, you know what, maybe like I can just, I
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highly recommend for people to go buy a black curtain,
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you know, just for mine, we have a store up
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here called Jisk or Giant Tiger. It's like a Sears,
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you know, you can just buy a black curtain. And
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all I do is I stick it over a door frame.
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So it hangs down and you have a person stand
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with their back against it at these haunted locations and
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start taking their pictures and And you'll be blown away
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by the images you start getting around the person. I
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think it's spirits. They're trying to use our energy to
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perhaps manifest stronger. And it's not to say that you
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won't get the odd manifestation of the spirit. I get
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more apparition show up in photographs when somebody is wearing
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black clothing. So like a black jacket. And. So they're
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not showing up with the background of the curtain behind
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them now. They're showing up on the person and they'll
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be more elongated. You'll see more of a body, not
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just a face. So it's really cool. And I can't
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stress how easy it is to do and test this.
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For me, it's beyond, it's not theory. It's common practice
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for me. Some people will think, oh, that's a good
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theory or he's got a crazy theory. but for God's sakes,
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try it. It works. Okay.
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We'll have to give that a try on the next
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ghost hunt for sure. You told a story about how
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you became convinced of a paranormal activity. Can you give
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that a short idea of it?
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Of my first encounter? Yes. Okay. Well, I was rather inexperienced.
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This is back in 1988. And it wasn't whether I
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believed in ghosts or not. I just didn't care about ghosts.
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You know, you're a young man starting out. I was
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getting married and months later, we're going to have a
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baby come into our lives. So I was just happy
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to be moving out of my, my family home in
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with my wife to be. And yeah, So I moved
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into her apartment. It was up on the fourth floor.
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And I remember the day I was moving in, she said, well,
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you know, it's kind of weird. I've got this radio
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that comes on at weird times by itself. It'll come
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on and go off. I've got to get it checked.
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And I said, oh, that sounds weird. But for me,
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that was nothing. I didn't care. Like little music now
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and then. So after I moved into the apartment, it
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was almost immediately after I had trouble sleeping. So I'd
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be in bed and as soon as I would try
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to close my eyes or the lights would go out,
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you didn't feel like you were alone anymore. You felt
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like somebody was standing over you, watching you intently. So
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I'd be laying there and I'd feel like a face
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right over my face. And I would get up and
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look around, chase whatever I thought was in front of me,
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like not without seeing anything, but I would move forward
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and I would feel like this energy pull back into
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a closet or it would perhaps, I would feel it
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leaving the room, leaving the bedroom. And sometimes I felt
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like I was being called to follow it perhaps. And
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so it was kind of freaky, but I'm thinking, well,
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I'm just being paranoid. I'm in a new place. You know,
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the street's busier. I'm just having trouble sleeping, but, Then
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even more things happened. I remember it would be about
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three times a week at least, almost nightly sometimes. I
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would awaken through the night. It could be any time
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between 1 a.m. and 5 a.m. And it would be
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the sounds of dishes down the end of the hall
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in the kitchen. It would sound like dishes rattling in
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the sink. And I would get up and I'd go
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to investigate. And, you know, there you are, you're going
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down the hall in your boxers and you're expecting trouble.
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And there'd be no dishes even in the sink. Other
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nights I would hear a distinct sound. We had this
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kidney shaped marble coffee table and it had, it was
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very solid. And when you would put a glass on
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it or a cup, it had a distinct noise like clink.
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And so there were nights the wife would be in
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bed next to me and I would hear a mug
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or a cup being placed on that coffee table. And
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I'd run down the hall again. And sometimes I'd feel
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the energy wasn't there. I might feel it's out on
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the balcony. So I would go and check. I thought
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somebody was trying to break in and there'd never be
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anybody there. There was nobody making a sandwich in the
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kitchen and running down the hallway. So it was just,
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I don't know what's going on. And I, I wasn't
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afraid of it. I just felt lying. um after we
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had my daughter more physical things began to happen okay
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this is months later um oh the ongoing thing also
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was if whenever I was having a shower I would
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always have that sensation of somebody in the room with
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me or somebody watching me and I would would throw
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open the curtain many times, expecting to see somebody or
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even get out and open the bathroom door quickly. So
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little feelings of paranoia. I don't know what this is.
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And I would have been greatly relieved to have found
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the wife had snuck in or something. But that wasn't
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the case. So Now going on to where my daughter
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comes into it, she's born. There's one day I'm sitting
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in the living room and I'm just reading a book,
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having a cup of coffee. And the wife was somewhere
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in the apartment. It was a two bedroom apartment. And
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I remember she ran into the room and she looked
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around the corner and I looked at her, I go, what?
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And she goes, she looks puzzled. And she goes, did
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you just smack me on the bum? And I'm like, no,
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I'm sitting here. What are you talking about? She goes, well,
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I was bent over the crib and I was fussing
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with the baby and somebody gave me a good smack
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on the backside. And I turned around, you weren't there.
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And she goes, I know you don't run that fast.
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So I don't know what it is. And we just
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looked at each other and just sort of shrugged and
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went on about our day. I finished my coffee, never
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gave it another thought. And Then another episode with my daughter,
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I had changed her diaper one day and I'm walking
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back carrying her and I had to step over her
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baby bottle. It was on the floor in front of
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us and there was also a vacuum hose there and
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it was a bit cluttered. So I remember as I'm
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stepping over the bottle, the thought was there, I'll give
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her the bottle. And as I put her in the walker,
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I went to reach for the bottle, but instantaneously it
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was just no longer on the ground. It was up
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on the Walker. And I remember moving my foot thinking
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I just stepped over that. That's weird. And so you're,
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you're thinking this is strange, but I'm still not thinking ghosts.
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I had no previous history. I don't know how to
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line this up with anything. But, you know, we'll get
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to two years now in the apartment and, that strange
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feeling of paranoia, troubles getting to sleep at night. My
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eight-year-old niece had been visiting us and stayed the weekend,
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and we had been out, and we were coming back
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up to get her bag so I could take her
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back home to Peterborough. And we come up the stairs,
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open the door, and I hear a female voice say, Cam.
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And I knew nobody was home, so I just dismissed it.
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I'm hearing things. My young niece goes, Uncle Cam, a
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lady just called you. And I'm like, you heard that too?
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And all of a sudden I'm like, all of a
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sudden I realized I've got a ghost. It just sort
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of added up and came together and made sense. And
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so I got her bags and just looked around the
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apartment quickly, didn't see anything. And we left and took
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her home. And then other family members started telling their
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stories of when they stayed in our apartment. And one,
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one witness described the phone ringing and they answered it.
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And there was a garbled voice coming through kind of
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reminiscent of the old fax lines. If you tried to
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answer them and she said, listen, I can't hear you.
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You'll have to call back. And as she's putting the
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phone down, it's, she said it rang almost angrily and
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louder and quicker. And she said, um, She said she
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picked it up, and this time the voice is really
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angry and yelling at her. And she goes, listen, I'm
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going to have Belle trace the call. Don't phone back.
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And she hangs up. It was a big, clunky, cordless phone.
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She puts it down. And as she turns, she sees
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motes of white light coming together, taking the outline of
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a small person. So about five foot tall, roughly. And
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she was freaked out, and she yelled at the being.
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whatever the hell you are, you're not wanted, go away.
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And the motes of light, just like in Star Trek,
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when somebody's beaming up or beaming down, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop,
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they just all dissipated and went away. And then the
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woman went out on the balcony and smoked a pack
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of cigarettes and feared telling anybody that we would think
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she's crazy. So the stories came together. And then we
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had a cat sitter that, shared that she knew our
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house was haunted. She didn't want to tell us. She
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didn't know what to say. But she heard a female
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voice call my name as well. And where I got
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into the ghost research side and realized how easy it is,
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it's just asking questions. Decided to ask the superintendents about
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who lived in the apartment before us. And we found
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out it was an elderly couple. And the gentleman, he
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went to the Baycrest Geriatric Center to spend his last days.
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And he probably passed away down there. So we could
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picture him calling his wife regularly on the phone. And
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the female was the woman. And the superintendents, they remembered
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she was a very nice woman, a nice couple in general.
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But they said she passed away in the kitchen. They
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couldn't remember if it was a heart attack or a stroke,
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but very nice lady. And that was where a lot
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of the activity would be. And so she's She's living
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in an imprint, interacting with dishes that we don't see,
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but to her, that imprint is there and she's interacting
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with it. And I'll just finish off where I believe
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I saw my ghost. Long story short, the wife and I,
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we were destined for divorce. So I didn't have a
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long period of time to investigate this haunting. But on
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the day I was moving out, I had my truck
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at the back door and The elevator was in use
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and you're, you know, you're just in your own world
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thinking I'm loading my truck, nothing really in your head.
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And all of a sudden it was just, it was quiet.
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And I look up and there was a little old
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lady standing in the corner of the back hallway. I'd
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never seen her before. And this was a small apartment building.
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She was just staring, staring at me quietly. And I
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just go, hi, I'm just moving. And she, She seemed
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kind of startled that I recognized her. And she just
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looked at me and just nodded. And then she quietly
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walked by. But it was just one of those, it
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was two quiet moments. And I can still remember what
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she was wearing. She had on a gray tweed jacket
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like Mary Tyler Moore would wear in the 70s, perhaps.
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And it had little flowerettes, pastel color, very bright, pinks, whites, greens, blues. Um,
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and she was gone, but as she went by, I thought, no,
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that can't be my ghost. And I went to see
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where she went and she was just gone. So she
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didn't go up and up the other elevator. She didn't
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run out the front door. She was just gone. And
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so I'm pretty sure that was my ghost either telling
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me goodbye or maybe she was out shopping.
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I don't know.
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Um, I'm pretty confident that was her.
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Okay.
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And, um, so now, Here I am. I've experienced this haunting.
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And first things first, it's very experiential. It's different for everybody.
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But I get it. I have empathy for people that
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are experiencing these weird things. But now I'm on fire.
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I'm seeing the world differently. And I want to learn more.
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So here I am. I'm going into my next apartment.
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My dad had recently died. I'm thinking I'm going to
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be talking to my dead dad every day now at night.
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Didn't happen. There wasn't a ghost in sight. And so
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I had to go and start going to haunted restaurants
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and haunted locations and reading up on the paranormal. And
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so it was a progression through the 90s. But things, again,
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really took off for me when I got my first
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digital camera. Those orbs, they just started coming through like
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no tomorrow. Film cameras don't get them as easily. If
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you're getting orbs with a film camera, almost 100%, they're
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your usual suspects, dust, bugs, et cetera. But the digital camera,
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it's really fascinating. It photographs into infrared and ultraviolet light
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spectrums that we don't see with our vision, but your
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camera picks it up and it converts these unseen things
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that are in those light spectrums to an image you
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can see on the viewfinder or on your computer. So
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it's thanks to NASA. They created these cameras for the
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moon landings or space travel. And they would use their,
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their computers were rather big and cumbersome. They broke them
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down to make them smaller for exploring moon explorations. And
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so we finally got them in the stores one day
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and it's almost like 21st century magic in our hands.
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And they really do reveal evidence of consciousness and the
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paranormal spectrum that is all around us. And I used
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to get some distortion in my cameras. that I learned
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that they were portals opening. It was vibrating portal energy.
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Okay.
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So I learned to recognize different distortions. And also I
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would pick up faces, which, you know, at first I
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would think, is this patterning, just, you know, patterning man
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in the moon effect that I'm getting. But then I
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realized I'm getting faces everywhere, not just in cemeteries, but
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in forests. Wherever you go, they're in your photographs if
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you want to look for them. And I really believe
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that what we're photographing through the magic of these cameras
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is the spirit of consciousness, the consciousness background that's everywhere.
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We're surrounded by it. We're a part of it. They're
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interacting with us all the time. And to be honest,
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now photographing paranormal beings is like shooting fish in a barrel.
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As long as I have a camera, I'm going to
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get evidence.
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Okay.
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Cameron, I'm going to have to stop you here for
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just a couple of minutes for a commercial break. I
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didn't want to stop you earlier because I was really
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enjoying the story and learning about it. But hang loose
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for a minute, and I'll be right back, okay?
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Sure thing.
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All right. So that is pretty cool. And I love
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the story about the female ghost because, you know, I
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lived in a haunted house. And that ghost, once he
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got used to me, was kind of the same way.
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He'd tease and play, but he never meant any harm.
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And in fact, I know at least on two occasions,
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he threw out a ghost that came home with us
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from other places. So it's a neat story. And I
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like that. I got some pictures we're going to show
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you here in a few minutes, folks. But first off,
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Hey, guys, just want to remind you about joining the
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Unexplained Network. We got a lot of shows on here.
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You can get into it more. You can see who's
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doing it, what the topics are, and good stuff like that.
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You get more information on some of the amazing hosts
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we have. We got a whole bunch of new shows
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on here. Just go to unexnetwork.com. Down a little bit
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on the front page, there's a place where you can
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sign up. And for that, you get so much out
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of it. Again, you get the blog, which comes out
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00:32:55.609 --> 00:32:59.150
a couple times a week or more, but usually when
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00:32:59.170 --> 00:33:02.009
there's something going on, you might see it, I don't know,
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a couple times a day. We was right on top
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00:33:05.130 --> 00:33:07.750
of the Tic Tacs when the UFO Tic Tac thing
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was coming out. We was on top of winged humanoids
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00:33:11.710 --> 00:33:16.259
being seen all over, on top of the scientists and
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scientists UFO people who were either disappearing or mysteriously dying.
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And aside from that, we got the blog, we got
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the newsletter, which the newsletter comes out once a week
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and tells you more about the, the show. And so
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00:33:32.549 --> 00:33:35.970
some things going on in the paranormal world, but we
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00:33:36.009 --> 00:33:39.589
also have the magazine and the magazine comes out monthly.
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The one on the left there, I had two articles in,
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but there's a lot better writers than me out there. Um,
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Haunted Battleship North Carolina was one of my stories in
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that one. And the other story was about Halloween and
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some of the legends behind it. I'm not talking about
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the ghosts. I'm talking about poisoned fruit given to children.
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I'm talking about the idea that cults were out to
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kidnap blonde-haired, blue-eyed virgins and kill them as a sacrifice
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on Halloween night. And there was a lot more than that, too.
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00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.630
And each one of those had a nugget of truth,
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a kernel of truth in there. And that's what I
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00:34:21.210 --> 00:34:23.909
dug out on that one. That's just some of the stories.
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This issue, I did a special one on haunted dolls.
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And that was tough on me, guys, because dolls just
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creep me the hell out. And the Annex Network magazine here,
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the Annex, had the last call at the Devil's Diner,
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which was a restaurant on Route 66 outside of St. Louis.
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I was on the first ever investigation there. I did
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00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:55.679
many after that. I did public events for charities where
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00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:59.159
people got to ghost hunt that building. And about a
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year ago, it got hit by a tornado, and it's
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destroyed now. So that's what made me write that article.
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More recently, I've got articles on vampires. I've got articles
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in the magazines on the scientists. on things the U.S.
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government has done to its own people, conspiracy theories that
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were a conspiracy fact. And the proof is there. They've
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admitted to all of this. So there's a lot going
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on in this magazine, and you can get it emailed
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to your address, or you can pick it up in
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print copy if you want. But it'll be free emailed
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to your email address if you're a member. What are
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you waiting All right, let's get back to Cameron because
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I want to see some of the pictures he's got.
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I want you to hear some of the stories. We
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talked a little before, and it's some pretty cool stuff.
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Which one would you like to start with, Cameron? Anyone
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in particular?
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Whatever you put up there, I can explain it.
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Sounds good. Well, explain that one.
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Oh, God. That's a blast from the past, eh? That
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was from when I had my Hauntline show. And that
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was the telephone we used on set. It was a
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live show, and I would shoot some community footage, and
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we did some investigations. But part of the show was
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also live in the studio. I would have a guest
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come in, and we would take questions. You could ask
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us anything, so you're always on your toes. That was scary.
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That's worse than ghosts right there. I got you on
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that one. All right. What about this one?
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Well, sometimes I use myself as ghost bait. And I
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took this photograph. There was a trestle bridge where I thought, well,
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that's a good backdrop. I'll just stand there and take
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some pictures, thinking maybe I'll use them for publicity or something.
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So I had a flashlight in between my legs just
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to give some lighting. So the man you see standing there,
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that's me. That's not the ghost. And so I took
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this picture, and I didn't realize it until later when
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I looked at it. If you see how the light
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is cast to the left, there's a being that's looking
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around the corner of the bridge at me. And it's
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got its tongue out. It's got pointy ears. It's got
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kind of, you could say, a devilish look on its face.
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Yes.
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And I had to think for long and hard about this,
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about what is it? Is it a werewolf? Is it
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a demon? And it's a type of cryptid, and I'm
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not 100% sure if it's a wendigo. And oddly enough,
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I got tired of taking my picture here. I did
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walk up on the top of the tracks, and I
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got up there, and I have a green flashlight I use.
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And when I was up on the top of the tracks,
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there was a coyote, a big one, maybe 100 feet away.
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And its eyes were green, but I don't know if
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that was just because of my flashlight beam being green.
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And I thought, well, I don't want to be playing
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with coyotes by myself here at night. So got down,
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wrapped it up, got in the car and left. And
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it wasn't until in the safety of my home, I
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saw that being overlooking around the corner at me. And
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it reminds me of other reports. You're probably familiar with
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them in the States and in Michigan, especially. Reports of
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dog men.
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Yes.
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So that's, I think, probably a very good example. And
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when you look at it, some witnesses have described that
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dog men, when they've seen them, is looking like the
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Egyptian god Anubis with the pointy ears. So that guy
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has pointy ears also. So it was kind of a
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nice catch. But again, did I go out that night
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thinking I'm going to get some being peering around the
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corner at me? No. but I'll take it anyways.
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That is pretty good, but it looks huge.
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00:39:16.929 --> 00:39:20.150
Yeah, it would probably be a good six feet. I'm
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six foot two, and it's on an angle, so it's
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similar to my height. It's 6'2, maybe bigger. Okay.
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Well, I can see what you're talking about. I'm just
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amazed at its size. And this one.
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Okay, this one. Now, I hope I'm safe talking about
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this because I guess the dark side to paranormal research
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is I do slip into some abandoned buildings from time
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to time. And I liken it to the fact that
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I'm not there to vandalize or damage anything. I'm there
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to collect paranormal information. Usually I'm trying to get some
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shadow beings that are lingering around, feeding off of emotional
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energy imprints out of sight. And this would have been
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an abandoned prison. And so while I was in roaming
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the halls of this vocation, I was by myself and
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I heard a female as if she was in a
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laundry room, hanging wash or working away quietly. And she
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00:40:24.829 --> 00:40:28.739
was singing a song, but I could never find where
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the voice was coming from. And so I was done
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for the night and I'm making my way outside. And
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as I'm going up and about ready to cross, there
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was a white car on the other side of the
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security fence. And there were two men in uniform chit-chatting away.
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And I thought, well, I'm not taking any more pictures.
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I'm just going to get out of here. And so
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00:40:53.460 --> 00:40:58.460
I'm crossing this open courtyard and I took the picture. Well, no,
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00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:02.980
what happened was a voice said, take a picture. And
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so I usually wear an equipment vest and I took
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00:41:06.900 --> 00:41:09.340
my camera out and I always hold it at arm's length.
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And I took a picture and I could actually see
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00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:14.539
that shape you see in front of you when I
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00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.659
took the picture. And I thought, oh, I got something.
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00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:25.260
And so I wasn't caught or apprehended that night. But anyways,
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00:41:25.300 --> 00:41:27.139
I made my way to a coffee shop to look
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00:41:27.219 --> 00:41:29.650
at it on the screen. And I thought, when you
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00:41:29.670 --> 00:41:31.889
look at the top, I thought maybe I got a
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00:41:31.949 --> 00:41:35.750
photograph of the woman I heard singing. It looks like
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shoulders with a neck. And it almost looks like hair
651
00:41:39.489 --> 00:41:46.750
up in a bun. But With closer examination, I'll point out, basically,
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00:41:46.909 --> 00:41:51.769
you might notice that instead of being hair, those are
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00:41:51.849 --> 00:41:56.389
two faces in profile. They kind of resemble the character
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00:41:56.469 --> 00:42:00.869
Lord Voldemort from Harry Potter, you know, skeletal type head.
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00:42:01.769 --> 00:42:06.239
And they're in profile looking to the right. But what
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00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:09.239
got my attention and where I realized something unique was
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00:42:09.300 --> 00:42:12.510
going on was like I said, I wear this black
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00:42:12.590 --> 00:42:16.050
equipment vest and the shoulder straps have a unique way
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00:42:16.110 --> 00:42:21.250
of separating. And I recognized my left shoulder strap on
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00:42:21.289 --> 00:42:24.610
the white shoulder there. And I realized all of a sudden,
661
00:42:25.489 --> 00:42:28.719
these are two beings that are pulling my etheric body
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00:42:28.780 --> 00:42:33.260
away and they're energetically trying to attach themselves to me.
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00:42:34.179 --> 00:42:38.000
And if you look very closely, so that's my shoulders
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00:42:38.219 --> 00:42:41.860
of my etheric body I'm wearing my black vest and
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00:42:41.900 --> 00:42:47.820
that's my neck extending towards the two beings and below
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00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:52.110
them in between my shoulder and their face. Um, very
667
00:42:52.210 --> 00:42:56.250
clearly it's almost like a flat image of my face.
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00:42:57.070 --> 00:43:00.369
So they were having some sort of taste test trying
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00:43:00.429 --> 00:43:04.250
to figure me out. And I kind of wonder to
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00:43:04.309 --> 00:43:09.719
this day when I received that unannounced, um, instruction to
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00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:13.119
take a picture if that was spirit or maybe a
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00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:16.219
guardian spirit telling me to take a picture and that
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00:43:16.260 --> 00:43:20.730
might have broke a connection to these beings so I
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00:43:20.769 --> 00:43:24.110
don't feel that I've ever had a spirit attachment after
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00:43:24.170 --> 00:43:28.230
that night so but it's a fascinating photograph and it
676
00:43:28.699 --> 00:43:32.800
does make you realize there's spirits out there that will
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try to attach to you.
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00:43:34.980 --> 00:43:38.260
Okay that's pretty wild and this one.
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00:43:39.929 --> 00:43:42.630
All right, this is cool. A little harder to see,
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00:43:43.329 --> 00:43:47.869
but center top of the photo, you'll see the upper
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00:43:47.949 --> 00:43:50.909
shoulders and a head there. The head's got a good
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00:43:51.030 --> 00:43:54.530
tussle of hair. It's got a high forehead. It's a
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00:43:54.570 --> 00:43:58.429
couple of eyes, but that's a one-off photo I got
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00:43:58.650 --> 00:44:04.150
of a sabay or a Bigfoot, Sasquatch. And how I
685
00:44:04.190 --> 00:44:08.079
got that photo is interesting. I was watching the television
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00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:11.699
show Ancient Aliens one night by myself in the house.
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It was late. And they were talking about Bigfoot and Sasquatch,
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00:44:16.059 --> 00:44:18.960
and they were throwing around a bunch of theories. And
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00:44:19.059 --> 00:44:23.039
one of their theories was that Bigfoot is nothing more
690
00:44:23.099 --> 00:44:28.480
than not made of flesh and bone, and that's why
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00:44:28.500 --> 00:44:33.139
you'll never find their carcasses laying around our dimension. That's
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my theory.
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Okay.
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00:44:36.210 --> 00:44:38.710
So I was all excited about, well, that's the same
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theory I have. And I was really excited. And I
696
00:44:41.769 --> 00:44:44.210
was looking on their show. They had a lot of
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00:44:44.309 --> 00:44:48.710
photographic images of Bigfoot on the screen, very dramatic. And
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00:44:48.750 --> 00:44:51.210
so I was like, I want to see if I can,
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00:44:51.650 --> 00:44:55.010
they're dimensional beings or thought forms. I want to see
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if I can communicate with them. So with those images
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00:44:58.099 --> 00:45:02.539
in my mind, I was already projecting my thoughts out
702
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:06.059
into the universe. And I called a friend and I said,
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00:45:06.099 --> 00:45:08.099
how would you like to go on a Bigfoot search?
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00:45:09.010 --> 00:45:11.369
And they humored me and they came along. It was
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00:45:11.429 --> 00:45:13.730
a psychic friend and they walked the trail with me.
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00:45:13.750 --> 00:45:16.429
I thought, I don't want to attract a Bigfoot into
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00:45:16.469 --> 00:45:20.329
my own house. So we drove about 30 minutes outside
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00:45:20.369 --> 00:45:24.650
of the city to a forested area, conservation area up
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00:45:24.730 --> 00:45:29.409
near Bridge North. And got out and I went with
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00:45:29.469 --> 00:45:33.219
two cameras and we walked this trail that had a loop.
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And it would come back straight to where the car
712
00:45:36.139 --> 00:45:39.130
was parked. So I went on the loop and I'm
713
00:45:39.170 --> 00:45:43.429
taking pictures. And so basically I'm just walking and I'm
714
00:45:43.750 --> 00:45:48.030
sending out thoughts to Bigfoot. Hi, Bigfoot. I have all
715
00:45:48.070 --> 00:45:50.590
these images in my head of what they're supposed to
716
00:45:50.630 --> 00:45:53.730
look like. And I am just taking pictures one at
717
00:45:53.789 --> 00:45:56.750
a time, either side of the trail. And I didn't
718
00:45:56.809 --> 00:46:00.969
see anything exciting show up in my little LCD screens.
719
00:46:02.050 --> 00:46:04.670
So I got back and we're coming back now. And
720
00:46:05.550 --> 00:46:08.409
although you have the feeling of being watched, and I
721
00:46:08.449 --> 00:46:12.440
think that's my superpower that I've developed over the years
722
00:46:12.579 --> 00:46:15.579
is I, I have, I've developed that sense of being
723
00:46:15.659 --> 00:46:18.340
stared at and I know enough now to take a
724
00:46:18.380 --> 00:46:22.420
picture when that happens. Okay. Anyways, long story short, I'm
725
00:46:22.460 --> 00:46:26.550
not feeling so successful now and where the trail comes
726
00:46:26.630 --> 00:46:31.670
to a crossroads. I took my pictures and about, 50
727
00:46:31.670 --> 00:46:33.909
feet in front of me was where I captured that
728
00:46:34.050 --> 00:46:37.519
image that you see on the screen, but I didn't
729
00:46:37.579 --> 00:46:39.559
see it until I looked through all my photos on
730
00:46:39.579 --> 00:46:43.659
the computer. And sure enough, I got this image of
731
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:47.730
a cryptid Bigfoot Sasquatch and.
732
00:46:48.369 --> 00:46:49.170
Blew my mind.
733
00:46:49.269 --> 00:46:51.530
Like, you know, to be honest, I should have bought
734
00:46:51.570 --> 00:46:57.309
a lottery ticket. Yes. It's fascinating. And for me, I'm
735
00:46:57.369 --> 00:47:01.510
sure I, I cheese off a lot of, um, cryptozoologists
736
00:47:01.610 --> 00:47:05.170
when I say it's just a dimensional being. And I
737
00:47:05.250 --> 00:47:08.650
feel that that's my evidence, you know, as far as
738
00:47:08.690 --> 00:47:12.550
I'm concerned, that it's confirmation there, they're a dimensional being,
739
00:47:12.590 --> 00:47:15.780
you can draw them out and it's a world of thought,
740
00:47:15.940 --> 00:47:19.980
you know, that's where everything is. Um, and by using
741
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:24.820
thought and imagination, um, I was able to draw one
742
00:47:26.190 --> 00:47:28.429
And I've gone out there on other nights to try
743
00:47:28.469 --> 00:47:31.050
and see if I can put lightning in the bottle twice.
744
00:47:31.150 --> 00:47:36.039
You know, I haven't been successful yet, but I still
745
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:39.940
feel lucky. Maybe another day. I go to Scotland. I'm
746
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:44.420
going on vacation this summer for three weeks to Scotland.
747
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:48.639
And I am going to try and photograph Nessie, you know,
748
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:52.239
just for fun. I'll spend some time there and see
749
00:47:52.260 --> 00:47:52.659
what I get.
750
00:47:54.130 --> 00:47:56.929
Sounds interesting. You should let me know if you find anything.
751
00:47:57.630 --> 00:47:59.670
The last one I want to really bring up, because
752
00:47:59.710 --> 00:48:01.670
this one to me is just incredible.
753
00:48:03.070 --> 00:48:09.400
I'm seeing glowing eyes. Yeah, this was, I've learned to
754
00:48:09.460 --> 00:48:13.880
look around the backs of cemeteries. So you'll get beings
755
00:48:13.980 --> 00:48:18.380
anywhere in a cemetery, but the darker ones, the dimensional beings,
756
00:48:18.900 --> 00:48:21.679
they seem to hang out in, if there's a tree
757
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:25.139
line or a forested area, So this one I got
758
00:48:25.179 --> 00:48:27.860
when I arrived at a cemetery with a couple of
759
00:48:28.460 --> 00:48:31.659
psychic friends. And I honestly went there in hopes of
760
00:48:31.739 --> 00:48:36.130
photographing a little female spirit that frequents the cemetery. So
761
00:48:36.690 --> 00:48:40.170
that was my intention that night. So this one surprised
762
00:48:40.230 --> 00:48:42.070
me when I got a picture very early in the
763
00:48:42.250 --> 00:48:49.170
evening of this being hiding behind a tree. And it resembles...
764
00:48:49.969 --> 00:48:53.710
illustrations that I've seen of what's known as the Dover demon.
765
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:59.800
So back in 1976, I believe, 76, 77, there was
766
00:48:59.820 --> 00:49:04.159
a rash of sightings down in Dover, Massachusetts. And the
767
00:49:04.219 --> 00:49:07.860
young witnesses swore on a stack of Bibles. They saw
768
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:13.639
a being that resembles this with the big, big orange eyes, long,
769
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:18.440
long spindly arms and legs. And their images they drew,
770
00:49:18.500 --> 00:49:20.989
it was next to like a tree. and near a
771
00:49:21.030 --> 00:49:24.969
rock as well. So a lot of these beings that
772
00:49:25.010 --> 00:49:28.550
we think of that may be one-offs, you know, 1977, no,
773
00:49:28.889 --> 00:49:34.630
they're still out there. What does time mean to scary
774
00:49:34.710 --> 00:49:39.550
creatures with frightening features? You know, who knows what time's
775
00:49:39.610 --> 00:49:43.190
like to them? and they're just not isolated incidents really.
776
00:49:44.750 --> 00:49:45.230
Okay.
777
00:49:45.250 --> 00:49:47.650
So I got that. I didn't get the ghost girl photo,
778
00:49:47.710 --> 00:49:52.320
but I've got this one and, um, I've gone back
779
00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:56.500
there and yes, it's a very busy cemetery. Um, I've gotten,
780
00:49:56.699 --> 00:50:00.519
I've gotten also other images of, I've learned like, you know,
781
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:04.440
you know, the gargoyle statues people have, you know, they
782
00:50:04.460 --> 00:50:07.679
put them on top of churches and in front of
783
00:50:07.699 --> 00:50:12.460
your homes and, I found that around certain headstones, some
784
00:50:12.500 --> 00:50:15.920
people will place them there physically like real gargoyles, like
785
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:20.659
concrete ones. But there's a being that is like a
786
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:23.820
gargoyle and they frequent cemeteries and they seem to be
787
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:29.010
around headstones. So they seem to be around wherever there's stonework,
788
00:50:29.150 --> 00:50:34.489
but they are a creature and they frequent cemeteries. And
789
00:50:34.530 --> 00:50:36.969
I do have one from that cemetery. Maybe another time
790
00:50:37.889 --> 00:50:39.030
I'll share that one with you.
791
00:50:40.050 --> 00:50:43.130
Now, I've always thought cemeteries to be, and excuse me
792
00:50:43.170 --> 00:50:45.230
for saying it, kind of a dead place when it
793
00:50:45.269 --> 00:50:49.010
comes to spirits. There's not a lot of trauma that
794
00:50:49.050 --> 00:50:51.190
goes on there. There's not a lot of reason to
795
00:50:51.230 --> 00:50:52.789
be there.
796
00:50:52.809 --> 00:50:55.050
No, and I think you're right there. I think of
797
00:50:55.090 --> 00:50:58.949
cemeteries as, you know, they're just places of interest for
798
00:50:59.010 --> 00:51:02.239
some spirits that they maybe will go to just like,
799
00:51:02.260 --> 00:51:04.199
you know, in life they went to Disneyland, they might
800
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:08.119
revisit Disneyland. So if they were buried in a location,
801
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:12.750
sometimes you get spirits. could just revisit their plot. And
802
00:51:12.789 --> 00:51:15.369
I don't think they haunt, they don't certainly haunt the area.
803
00:51:16.449 --> 00:51:18.989
I've gotten a lot of spirit photos in cemeteries of
804
00:51:19.889 --> 00:51:23.170
spirits and they, believe it or not, they're like holding
805
00:51:24.139 --> 00:51:28.400
dogs or cats. Like they realize they're being photographed and
806
00:51:28.420 --> 00:51:32.340
they're almost sharing that they're reunited with a loved pet
807
00:51:32.380 --> 00:51:35.840
in spirit. I get a lot of that. But a
808
00:51:35.900 --> 00:51:40.630
lot of the darker spirits, Shadow beings in particular, they
809
00:51:40.670 --> 00:51:43.949
hang out in the background of the cemeteries if there's
810
00:51:43.989 --> 00:51:48.349
a tree line, especially if there's running water. Dark places
811
00:51:48.389 --> 00:51:51.329
are under the ground. And I do have photos of
812
00:51:51.389 --> 00:51:56.030
these beings, the witch shadow being, the hooded grim reaper
813
00:51:56.070 --> 00:51:58.829
shadow being coming out of the ground. And they frequent
814
00:51:58.889 --> 00:52:05.000
cemeteries to pick up on living people that are perhaps grieving.
815
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:11.239
They're burying somebody. And that grief or sadness or chaos
816
00:52:11.340 --> 00:52:16.599
of emotions, they're looking to attach themselves to that energy.
817
00:52:17.260 --> 00:52:19.500
And if you get an attachment like that, they come
818
00:52:19.539 --> 00:52:21.719
home with you and they'll try to keep you in
819
00:52:21.739 --> 00:52:25.989
a perpetual state of distress, you know, that they feed
820
00:52:26.110 --> 00:52:29.469
off of. And a whole lot of other things come
821
00:52:29.570 --> 00:52:32.130
from that. And I always try to tell people that,
822
00:52:32.630 --> 00:52:34.670
you know, the best time to go to cemeteries to
823
00:52:34.690 --> 00:52:39.630
investigate is at sunrise. and sunset, there's an energetic change
824
00:52:39.690 --> 00:52:42.840
going on with the energy. And you're gonna probably get
825
00:52:42.929 --> 00:52:45.760
more spirit photos at those times as things are coming
826
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:48.980
and going. Because a lot of spirits don't have eyes,
827
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:55.840
it's more they recognize energy signatures. So that's the best
828
00:52:55.909 --> 00:52:59.150
time to go to cemeteries to investigate. The worst time
829
00:52:59.190 --> 00:53:02.469
to go is if you're not at your best mentally
830
00:53:02.510 --> 00:53:06.599
or emotionally. If you're not in a good mental state
831
00:53:06.619 --> 00:53:08.500
of mind, that's the last place you want to go.
832
00:53:10.500 --> 00:53:11.000
And why?
833
00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:20.170
Because, well, if there is a nefarious shadow being hanging
834
00:53:20.230 --> 00:53:24.550
around that's looking to feed off of these chaotic energies,
835
00:53:24.809 --> 00:53:28.030
you're going to attract them to you. And they will
836
00:53:28.070 --> 00:53:30.880
come home with you if they can. And they'll just
837
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:33.199
be very, very small. You won't even notice them. You
838
00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:37.219
can check yourself for, you know, ticks and fleas, but
839
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:40.510
you'll never see that shadow being unless you try the
840
00:53:40.530 --> 00:53:45.650
spirit photography. That's also a neat little thing. Um, people
841
00:53:45.670 --> 00:53:49.570
that have shadow attachments, when you do that spirit photography,
842
00:53:49.590 --> 00:53:50.809
they will show up as well.
843
00:53:51.449 --> 00:53:52.690
Really? That's intriguing.
844
00:53:52.710 --> 00:53:52.869
Yeah.
845
00:53:54.309 --> 00:53:56.369
And so whether it's the witch, we get a lot
846
00:53:56.409 --> 00:54:02.179
of witches around people, um, the hooded grim reaper, the
847
00:54:02.219 --> 00:54:04.639
hat man. It could be any style of hat, even
848
00:54:04.739 --> 00:54:08.300
pork pie hats. Anybody wearing a hat that I get,
849
00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:11.400
I pay close attention to. And here's something else you'll
850
00:54:11.420 --> 00:54:17.039
get around psychics. It's really fascinating. I found when I
851
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:23.050
do psychic fairs or events, I'll test the spirit photography
852
00:54:23.090 --> 00:54:25.070
with psychics just to see what I'm going to get.
853
00:54:26.190 --> 00:54:29.489
And around psychics, really good psychics, I tend to pick
854
00:54:29.590 --> 00:54:33.469
up alien images like greys. And some of them are
855
00:54:33.489 --> 00:54:37.809
quite comical. They'll be smiling. They know they're being photographed.
856
00:54:38.329 --> 00:54:42.760
And I often wonder if these beings are almost like
857
00:54:43.659 --> 00:54:47.840
intermediaries for that psychic information to come through to these
858
00:54:47.900 --> 00:54:51.679
psychics because it's so, so common that I get them
859
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:52.480
around psychics.
860
00:54:54.219 --> 00:54:59.639
Wow. That had never even occurred to me. That's awesome.
861
00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:03.880
It's pretty cool. And every picture I take, like I
862
00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:06.980
don't know how many thousands I've taken, I'm always interested
863
00:55:07.019 --> 00:55:10.239
in the next one because you do learn something new
864
00:55:10.340 --> 00:55:14.829
from every photographic sitting you do. And again, like all
865
00:55:14.869 --> 00:55:17.989
my research, it's always on a volunteer basis. I don't
866
00:55:18.070 --> 00:55:18.849
charge for this.
867
00:55:19.469 --> 00:55:19.710
Yes.
868
00:55:20.690 --> 00:55:22.409
The only thing I charge for is when I do
869
00:55:22.530 --> 00:55:26.010
public speaking. because generally I have to book a room,
870
00:55:26.090 --> 00:55:29.389
do advertising. So I've got to charge 20 bucks to
871
00:55:29.449 --> 00:55:33.800
come in, like to cover the costs. And, and I
872
00:55:33.860 --> 00:55:36.699
also get a chance then to do spirit photography for people.
873
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:39.980
And some of the people that are really fascinating are,
874
00:55:40.539 --> 00:55:44.420
are the people that pay attention to their family genealogy.
875
00:55:44.820 --> 00:55:47.840
They're into their ancestry. And so when I say, well,
876
00:55:47.860 --> 00:55:50.349
you know, I got this guy here, I've cropped for you.
877
00:55:50.409 --> 00:55:54.460
It's an old man, you know, he's fleshy and, And
878
00:55:54.699 --> 00:55:59.840
he's got mutton chops, side burns. Those ones I love,
879
00:55:59.920 --> 00:56:02.760
these history buffs, because they can go right to some
880
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:07.550
family history book and confirm the photo with their evidence
881
00:56:07.590 --> 00:56:10.550
they have in the house. So it makes sense to people.
882
00:56:11.110 --> 00:56:15.389
Yeah. Cameron, I'm afraid the time has come. We're going
883
00:56:15.409 --> 00:56:17.010
to have to split up. But you said you might
884
00:56:17.050 --> 00:56:18.769
be willing to come back and show some more of
885
00:56:18.809 --> 00:56:19.849
these pictures you've got.
886
00:56:20.820 --> 00:56:23.000
Well, you can tell I like to talk about ghosts.
887
00:56:23.659 --> 00:56:25.639
I'd be more than willing to come back, Dan.
888
00:56:25.860 --> 00:56:29.019
All right. Well, we'll get you back here soon. All right.
889
00:56:29.820 --> 00:56:39.090
But Cameron Bag, your spirit photography, your website is CameronBagWithTwoGs.com.
890
00:56:40.010 --> 00:56:42.730
And you've got quite a bit of stuff on there.
891
00:56:43.369 --> 00:56:50.170
Some souvenirs, some shirts, merchandise. And you've got some other stuff. DVDs.
892
00:56:51.300 --> 00:56:53.989
So how do people get hold of you?
893
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:55.099
Yeah, my big one is my book.
894
00:56:55.659 --> 00:56:58.019
I got my book now. And let's bring that book
895
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:02.670
back up. It's Ghost Revelations, Adventures of a Technical Medium.
896
00:57:03.550 --> 00:57:07.590
Yeah. Why I'm happy about the book is because I
897
00:57:07.650 --> 00:57:10.650
share my photographs with people in the book. So it's
898
00:57:10.690 --> 00:57:13.989
not just some old guy talking about something he saw.
899
00:57:14.469 --> 00:57:16.320
It's like, here's a photograph I got.
900
00:57:16.340 --> 00:57:17.400
Yeah.
901
00:57:17.699 --> 00:57:21.699
And, you know. That's what I'm really proud about. I
902
00:57:21.780 --> 00:57:25.440
got that out of me after 40 years. So there's
903
00:57:25.460 --> 00:57:26.480
a lot of photos in it.
904
00:57:27.340 --> 00:57:30.030
All right. Cameron, thanks again for coming on. Now, if
905
00:57:30.070 --> 00:57:31.570
you'll wait just a little bit, I want to chat
906
00:57:31.590 --> 00:57:34.170
with you a little bit after the show. But thanks again,
907
00:57:34.210 --> 00:57:36.489
and hang tight. I'll talk to you in a minute.
908
00:57:37.329 --> 00:57:37.869
My pleasure.
909
00:57:39.510 --> 00:57:41.289
Well, that was a fun one. And did you see
910
00:57:41.849 --> 00:57:45.829
that wolf thing there looking around? I mean, I saw it,
911
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:49.969
made it out very plain. Same with that one with
912
00:57:49.989 --> 00:57:53.469
the prison in the background. I could see the shadow
913
00:57:53.530 --> 00:57:57.889
people there, but, hey, I'm experienced at looking for shadow people.
914
00:57:57.949 --> 00:58:01.039
I've seen them a lot. So anyway, folks, my time
915
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:02.960
is just about up, but I do want to remind
916
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:06.960
you all to check out the Unexplained Network, Unex Network,
917
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:11.719
at unexnetwork.com. And I want to thank Cameron again for
918
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:14.389
being on. I think the most important thing, though, I
919
00:58:14.409 --> 00:58:18.420
have got to tell you good people, It's just taste food.
920
00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:20.360
All right? Good night.
921
00:58:21.780 --> 00:58:53.889
Good night. Thank you.