6/16/25 - The Mo Egger Radio Show w/ Mike Petraglia

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ESPN fifteen thirties Cincinnati sports station.
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An A good Monday afternoon, everyone. My name is Mike Petrellia,
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otherwise known as Trags, and you've got me for the
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next three hours on the Moegger Radio Show on Cincinnati's
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ESPN fifteen thirty A lot to get to on Monday.
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Monday always seems like a natural, obviously to wrap up
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the weekend, and it was certainly a terrific weekend for
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the Cincinnati Reds. Didn't start out great. They lost their
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opener in Detroit to the Tigers. They had lost too straight.
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They were two and two on the six game road
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swing through Cleveland and Detroit, and the prospects for a
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series victory against the team with the best record in
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all of Major League Baseball not promising, to say the
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very least, But hold. The Reds pull off a victory
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in overpowering form on Saturday, eleven to one, and then
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they wrap up the series with a victory over the
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Detroit Tigers on Sunday afternoon, come from behind fashion. They
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were zero and twenty nine trailing after seven innings before Sunday,
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and they score four times in the eighth inning to
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wipe out a four to two deficit, score two more
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on an insurance two run dinger from Elie Dala Cruz
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and they win that game eight to four. A feel
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good vibe around the Cincinnati Reds and joining me to
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lead off this three hour extravaganza on the Moegger Radio
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Show is the one and only Pat Brennan. He's become
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a frequent friend on this show. Someone I rely on
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to bring the heat, as they say in baseball, and
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he never fails to do that. The one and only
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Pat Brennan from the Cincinnati Inquirer in Cincinna, covering all
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things Cincinnati Reds, and we'll get to the Bengals because
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he was at mini camp last week. How was your weekend, Patrick.
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Tracks, It's great to be on with you, and it
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was a good weekend.
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Nice and slow.
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Actually got out to the Club World Cup yesterday, so agree,
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and we can talk about that as well.
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Yes, definitely, well if you.
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Want to, but that was that was I was actually
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really impressed by the whole experience.
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So but yeah, real nice weekend, real nice weekend. Thank you.
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All right, let's talk about the Cincinnati Reds and what
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impressed you the most and what has impressed you the most.
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Pat Over the last nine games, the Reds or seven
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and two. They swept the Diamondbacks, which I think on
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its own was impressive. The Diamondbacks have been kind of
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clinging around that five hundred mark, very similar to the
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Reds for the first two months of the season plus.
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And they sweeped the Diamondbacks at Great American Ballpark, and
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everybody's like, Okay, that's nice. But now we're going to
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see and I remember you and me having this conversation
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in the Great American Ballpark cafeteria. Okay, they're gonna get
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tested in these next six games. Maybe they win the
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series in Cleveland. They did that, but then they're going
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to have their struggles up in Detroit. But lo and behold,
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they come through with some clutch game, clutch performances on
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Sunday afternoon. They win that series. And I don't know,
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I've got a good vibe about this team right now,
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because I thought, without question, Sunday was the best win
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of the Terry Francona era.
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Yes, I saw you tweet that in real time, and
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I gave that idea some thought.
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I have to agree with you.
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Going back to your original question, I think you can
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hear me.
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Okay, tracks loud and clear. Are you hearing me? Oh?
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Yeah, yeah. I just want to make sure no.
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No, no, this is not a podcast where my WiFi
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will cut out in the middle. Now I hear you,
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allow and clear?
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Okay, budd, Well, look, I think you can put a
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lot of the recent success at the feet of Ellie
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de la Cruz, who is in you know, he's he's
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in freak show mode right now, you know, gutting people
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down from shallow outfield areas close to one hundred miles
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per hour at the plate. You know, home runs in
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four straight games. You know, it's been a total team effort.
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I think, but when Ellie gets hot like this, he can.
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Carry the team by himself. And I do put a.
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Lot of what's happened over the last nine games at
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his feet. But yeah, the fact that it's really it
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should not be lost on anyone. The significance of the
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fact that against the best team in baseball as we
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as things stand today, or entering the weekend, that the
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Reds came back to win a series after dropping the
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opener on the road, which is something they hadn't done.
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They hadn't done anything like it all season.
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That's really important, and that's striking to me just based
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on how this team doesn't deviate very sharply.
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It hasn't deviated sharply.
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In any one particular direction, good or bad this year.
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That's kind of the nature of being a five hundred club.
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But to come back and take that series off the
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Tigers tells me that maybe things are going to start
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to get really fun, and maybe maybe things are going
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to start to get fun and special around here soon.
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They have to sustain it. You and me both know that.
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I think every Reds fan listening to this they want
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to believe and I said this on the Red postgame
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show on the Extra Inning Show yesterday following the broadcast
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on WLW, that everybody wants to believe that this team
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can make a run at the playoffs, but they have
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got to sustain it over an extended period of time.
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Nine games over one hundred and sixty two games is
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not an extended period of time. We can all agree
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on that. Okay, However, the elements are there and two things.
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The starting pitching has really been there from the beginning
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of the season. Wade Miley, he was good enough yesterday
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he gave up the two solo home runs and then
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Graham Ashcraft gave up a couple of two out runs
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in the seventh inning. But the pitching has been solid.
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It has certainly been good enough, but the offense late
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in games has not been good. And to me, the
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biggest takeaway yesterday, certainly from that victory, was the Red
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scoring six runs in the final two innings. They really
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hadn't done that all season long. I started off this
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show talking about the twenty nine mark when trailing after
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seven innings going into yesterday's action, that has changed. It's
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one game, but it just it felt so different to
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me against a superior team in the American League that
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it made me think, Okay, you got me, and I'm
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sure you've got other Reds fans. Uh, let's see if
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you can continue this.
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Yeah, I completely agree with everything you just said. I
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think also, you know, Wade Miley is worth highlighting here.
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I know a lot of people were down on that
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signing when it came across during the last Threads home stand,
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and they were down on Nick Krawl and I think
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a lot of the negativity around that came after Miley
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went out.
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I gave up you know, like four runs over relief appearance,
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but that was a throwaway appearance against Milwaukee.
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It was it was I think people have to be
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fair recognize that for what it was. Terry Francona was
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smart enough to know that they could shake off some
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of the rusts by getting him out there that day.
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The offense wasn't in a position to do anything close.
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To it was yesterday in terms of comeback, and we're
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already down.
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Six to one, I believe.
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So I think, you know, Wade, you described Wade Miley's
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outing yesterday is good enough. I think that's what you're
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gonna get from Wade Miley most days.
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Good enough.
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And if they play well and if they play smart
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defensively behind him, and that they can hit the baseball
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even a little bit, they're going to have a chance
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during that Hunter Green. It's when that Hunter Green spot
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and the rotation comes up with Wade Miley in there
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for the time being, and yeah, you know they they
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frankly it. You know, it's two very different styles of
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pitching obviously from two players that kind of opposite ends
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of their careers.
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But uh, you are not missing a beat right.
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Now, incredibly with without Hunter Green uh in the starting rotation.
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They have the credit to the credit to Miley.
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Speaking with Pat Brennano the Cincinnati Inquirer in Cincinnati dot
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Com covering the Reds and the Bengals. Okay, here's what
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I want to see the Reds do. Take care of
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business in your next six games. You are taking on
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a Minnesota team that's lost four straight, they've lost seven
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of ten. They're struggling to put runs on the scoreboard.
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You've got them at Great America and you need to
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take two of three there. Then you have a Saint
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Louis Cardinals team that you have finally reached and finally
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caught in the National League Central. You're dead even with them.
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You both have thirty seven and thirty five records in
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the division. You have them at You're going there. You're
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going to Saint Louis. I want to see them try
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to take two out of three there. You go four
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and two over your next six games. After going four
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and two through Cleveland and Detroit, then I think, and
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that is heading into the Yankee Great American Ballpark a
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week from tonight. Then to me, you're starting to develop
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an extended run of good play.
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I agree, everyone's been asking when is the run?
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When is the run? When is it coming?
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You know, with Pepper, anytime anything starts to even look
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like remotely like it's turning, Terry Francona and players in
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the clubhouse get asked some version of that question. Now
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we're in territory where we're wondering is this it?
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Has it already started? Are we looking at it? And
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I but I agree with you.
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You have to take care of what is probably what
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is certainly today as the two teams exist, an inferior
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Minnesota Twins team, you must take care of that team
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at Great American Ballpark. And the Cardinals series will be
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on the road. But that's a chance. You know, a
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lot of the Reds are going to have to play better.
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In the division. Okay, they have won what yeah, that's yeah.
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I'm probably undertelling it a little bit because they have
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won one of seven series against the visual opponents, and
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that one win was a sweep of the Pittsburgh Pirates
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back in April. Like the you know, we're talking less
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than three weeks into the season at that point, I
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think drags.
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Yeah, so.
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It would be so meaningful too, especially if you were
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in a position to overtake the Cardinals at their home field.
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I just think that would be such an impressive and
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important statement of intent about what this Reds team is
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about if they were able to do that at some
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point this week. Go ahead, go no, go ahead.
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What did you make of Matt McClain finally moving back
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up to number two in the batting order. I think
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to me that is his natural spot. That's where the
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Reds need him most to be productive. If this lineup
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is to be what I think it can be and
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what I think a lot of fans think it can be,
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then he needs to hit second in the batting order
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and be productive there. He's still hitting below the Mendoza line.
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He's hitting one ninety one, but you're starting to see
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and you know, Chris Welsh made this observation a couple
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of times on the radio over the weekend, and Cowboys
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made this observation. Tommy Thrall, who will be on at
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the bottom of the hour here on ESPN fifteen thirty,
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he has made this observation, Matt McClain is starting to
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hit the ball hard the other way and up the middle.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I'm sure I'm echoing what those
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guys have and have said, which is that when when
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you see that happening, and Terry frank ConA tells us
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this all the time, when you see guys hitting the ball.
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Hard the other way, Okay, good, good things are happening.
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They're seeing the ball well, and they're in a good
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sead space in terms of there at bats. But once again,
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I love it if we could get into a debate tracks,
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but you and I like minded on on these issues. Anyway,
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I do think Matt McClain needs to be in the
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two spot for this Reds offense to be what it
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to to realize its full potential. You mentioned his batting
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average as.
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It stands today.
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You know it's it is below two hundred, but it's
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up a little bit from the last time the Reds
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were the last home stands, So you know, you're you're
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seeing signs of life. There's a pulse there and uh
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little it's you know, it's little things. I remember last
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home stands, Matt McClain had a drag bunt up the
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first baseline that he said wasn't even intended to be
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a hit. He was trying to sacrifice the runner over
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ended up reaching on an infield single and uh, you know,
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so he's not even taking as much credit as he
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could for the things that are going his way right now.
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But little things like that I have just started to
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accumulate over the last two weeks. You've seen the power
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and I do think that, you know, there was always
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evidence to suggest that Matt McClain was too good of
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a player to stay you know, where he's been throughout
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this season up to this point. And like I said,
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we're seeing signs of life now. I think hopefully, you know,
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maybe within a few weeks here. If we're talking about
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the Reds. But I'll put it to you like this
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tracks if we're talking about the Reds having had success
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through that brutal stretch of Yankees padres at Boston, at
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Philly before they come home right before the All Star break,
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if they're successful there, Matt McClain will have made a
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big contribution to that.
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He has to this team cannot win any other way
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over the long haul.
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I would agree with that. Let's move on to the
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Cincinnati Bengals. They wrapped up mandatory Mini cam last week,
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finished up on Thursday, Nay, like most every other NFL team,
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now off for five weeks before training camp opens on
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July twenty third. Your biggest takeaways from what you saw
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what you heard inside the Bengals locker room last week.
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Yeah, I mean, I think I know that when we
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speak to the coaches, and I'm going to talk about
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what Al Golden told us about and Zach Taylor told
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us about the progress of the defense, because the defense
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and the inability to tackle was such a glaring issue
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for so long, such a long stretch.
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Last season tracks so much of what.
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We hear during this time of year is happy talk
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from the coaches. There's no games at stake, there's no
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outcomes results to scrutinize, so they can kind of paint
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whatever picture they want to. But I'm encouraged by what
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I heard about what sounded to me like a defensive
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unit that in terms of install and adapting to Al
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Golden's scheme, it sounds like they are on schedule, if
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not ahead of schedule, and have put themselves in a
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really good position for when training camp fires up. I mean,
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that's what I want to hear about the defense at
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this stage.
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And again, that could be happy talk.
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But I took it as sincere and genuine analysis.
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Of the defensive unit.
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So I'm encouraged about that, and you're you know, you're
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always curious about where that's going to be under a
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first year coordinator in Al Golden. So encouraged by that,
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and briefly tracked. I liked Zach Taylor talking about some
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of the changes that will be made this year during
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training camp and how they're going to approach it as
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a team. Obviously, I think in the name of trying
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to get out to a hotter start in September, this
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team has been dogged for years by the slow starts
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in September. I don't need to even say the numbers
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and stats. Your listeners already know them.
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Yes, you know this team.
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This team cannot survive September. And I was really interested
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to hear some of the changes, even small things that
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might seeming insignificant, like practicing in the morning instead of
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in the heat of the day. I was really intrigued
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by what Zach Taylor had to say there. So that's
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kind of what stood out to me. Obviously, there's good
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health right now, a couple key pieces outstanding, as you know.
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But yeah, that's what I took away from Oka's in
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mini camp.
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What I thought was interesting is Zach Taylor saying. And
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I had Jeff Hoobson of Bengals dot Com on my
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latest Jungle Row podcast, which is out now on YouTube
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dot com. Go there if you would like to download
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that or anywhere you download your podcast. But Whatich told
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me pat that the fact that there's going to be
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so much more focus on the Bengals, on themselves and
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not the opponent, not joint practices. The Bengals the last
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several years have instituted joint practices and there are some
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advantages to that because you're able to get real hard
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snaps and padded situations in a controlled environment. The games
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are not controlled. Obviously, even in preseason the games are
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not controlled. Well, the Bengals are shifting gears there. They
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want the bet. They want their players in real game
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situations at game speed, because even in joint practices, it's
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no replication for actual game speed. And I think that
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is something that's going to help Joe Burrow. He's mentioned
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that time and time again. So that's what I took
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from Zach Taylor, and I know Jeff Hobson observed that
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he wrote about that on Bengals dot com and so
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to me, the Bengals focus on themselves what this training
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camp is going to be about more than anything else,
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I do think, and I'm going to stand by this
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and until I'm proven wrong, and that could easily happen.
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Trey Hendrickson is going to sign his deal. There's some
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reporting out there, certainly from Jeremy Fowler of ESPN and
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Ben Baby of ESPN Cincinnati, that talks have resumed between
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the two sides, and I take that as a positive
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that things are moving in the right direction. And I
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think Shamar Stewart is terms and additions. Once that gets
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ironed out, he's going to be on the field in
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training camp. That's what I believe. I want to wrap
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up here with Pat Brennan of the Cincinnati Inquirer talking
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about one of your favorite subjects, club World Cup. You
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were there over the weekend at TQL. What was the
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environment and what was it like watching the team's play.
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Well, it was really cool, Tragson. I appreciate you asking.
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Soccer is obviously something very close to my heart. You know,
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you saw a legitimate world beater in Byron Munich. Byron
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Munchin actually taking off taking.
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On one of the minnows of the tournament. One of
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it's a.
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Semi professional team that actually couldn't even bring a full
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roster of players to America for this tournament because some
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of them simply couldn't get away from work for long enough.
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Which is incredible is the golf and talent there, and
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that was reflected in the score, which was ten to nothing,
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but which is crazy.
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That's like an insane.
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Score for competitive what's supposed to be a competitive soccer match.
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But getting past the score, it just it felt like
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I've been very skeptical of this tournament, but when it
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finally came to Cincinnati yesterday, it felt like Cincinnati was
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a significant participant in something greater and it is. This
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tournament's taking place all over the country. There are three
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more games that will be staged in Cincinnati coming up
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here in the next seven ten days, and it's like
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an Olympics. Tracks it felt like an Olympics. You're walking
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around the streets Byron Munich did a beautiful takeover of
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a bar across the street from TQL Stadium.
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Their branding was all over the place.
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You had uniformed personnel who all spoke a variety of
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language languages there, and their presence was designed to help
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visitors from anywhere in the globe really find their way
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around Cincinnati, find their way to the metro buses.
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And the streetcar.
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And these people fanned out, these officials fanned out for
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blocks and blocks and blocks, and that's more something along
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the lines of what you would see at, like I said,
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on an Olympics or a World Cup, which this is.
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So it was really cool. It felt like a little
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taste of something international and a taste of something special
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in Cincinnati.
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It's really cool.
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Yeah, we've got to wrap Uplica thirty seconds. What's the
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next step for this event? Yesterday was just the first
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leg of the event, I believe.
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Yes, yeah, the next step, well, they'll be in the
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group stage, if that's what you mean. Yes, foreseeable future,
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two teams will emerge from each group, and then we'll
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get into the single game elimination.
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So similar to what the World Cup is for international
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competing teams, it's just for club teams around the around
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the world.
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Exactly for the layman.
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Instead of countries playing each other, it's the club teams
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the best of the world.
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All right, he is. Pat Brennan does a fabulous job
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covering all things Reds Bengals, and certainly has done great
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work in the past on the Orange and Blue FC Cincinnati.
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He had the opportunity to cover Club World Cup, or
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at least a ten Club World Cup over the weekend
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at TQL Stadium here in Cincinnati. You do great work, Path,
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Thank you for joining me on the Mowaga r Great American.
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See you there, all right, Bud, All.
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Right, when we come back, we'll have to tell me
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talking more about the successful trip that the Reds are
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coming off of through Cleveland and Detroit. That'll be coming
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up after the bottom of the hour. Break For now,
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Uh.
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The celebration that was Club World Cup over the weekend
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at TQL Stadium. Pat Brennan just did a great job
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articulating why that is a significant event for the city
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of Cincinnati. We want to hear from you. Five to one,
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three seven, four nine, fifteen thirty five to one three
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seven four nine, one five three zero. Now we go
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to one of my favorites at Great American ballparking anytime
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the Reds are playing, and I have the station tuned
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down the dial at seven hundred WLW, the voice of
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the Cincinnati Reds, Tommy Thrall. Tommy, you did a great job.
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You always do a great job. Obviously, bod you did
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a terrific job handling the call of yesterday's thrilling come
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from behind eight to four win over the Detroit Tigers.
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Are you, aside from doing this interview, you enjoying your
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day off?
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Yeah, yem, I appreciate that. Thanks for the kind works tracks.
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It was a fun day of baseball yesterday. It was
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a fun road trip altogether. But yeah, yesterday, seeing this
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team come from behind, I mean, you see the Tigers
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get those runs and the seventh things kind of the
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way things have gone, you think, eh, it's gonna be
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a tough road especially as good as the Tiger's bullpen
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has been.
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But they showed a little fight yesterday. That was good
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to see.
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And you know, you finished this road trip four and
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two against two teams that were battling and out in
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the Alds last year.
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That's that's not nothing.
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At this point, you look back to the sweep over
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the Diamondbacks, in the homestand and then this road trip,
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and this team's got a little momentum right now.
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You just hope they can keep it rolling. But yeah,
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it's been a good off day.
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It's always more fun to enjoy the off day after
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winning road trip like that.
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It must be fun to call Ellie daily Cruise's games
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simply because that art go ahead. I'm sorry. The first RBI,
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the four run eighth inning on a change up that
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he drove to right field. I love that call of yours.
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And then the home run the opposite way. It seemed like,
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just based on your call, that ball kept carrying and carrying,
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and it was a line drive and you thought, all
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it'll get over the left fielder's head, and eventually it
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went over the wall for a key to run Homer. Yeah,
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I thought.
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I thought when he hit it it had a chance
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to get over Green's head because he hit it hard.
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Then you realize, well it's over his head, and oh
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it's over the wall.
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So it was. It was crazy.
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I mean, yeah, it's to say it's fun to watch
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this guy on a nightly basis is an understatement.
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I mean, it's a treat.
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I mean, it's it's really something to be able to
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watch this kind of a talent day in and day out.
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And you know, I think I think by and large,
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all of us here in Cincinnati understand just how special
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this player is. But then when you when you hear
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about how fun he is to watch from the other side,
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other broadcasters come up and be like, man, it must
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be fun to watch him every day. It is, and
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you don't take it for granted. And you know, look,
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he's gonna go through his ups and downs, just like
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any player does. And I think I think what we're
495
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starting to see with him is what we've seen with TJ.
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Friedel this year, and that.
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Is he's he's widening the gaps of the peaks and valleys,
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and I think he's starting to level things out. Look,
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I don't want to make too much of it, but
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it's been an incredible month of June. Here we are
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just past the halfway point this month, and he is
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on an absolute tear. And it's not just been a
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few games now, it's a legitimate two weeks that he's
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been on fire.
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It's special. I mean, it's just everything he can do
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on the field.
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I think he's becoming way more discipline on the bases
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and let's not forget the throw that was almost one
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hundred miles an hour on a cutoff the nail or
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00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.359
run at the plate the other day and a huge play.
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So he can do he can literally do everything.
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And I know he's got the airs shortstop, and you know,
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the critics will want to point to that and say,
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maybe he could be a little more consistent there. Yeah, probably,
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so that's probably not all wrong. But keep in mind,
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this guy makes some plays that you scratch your head
517
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and think, wow, how was that play? How did anybody
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00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:44.160
make that play?
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That is?
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And he does that on a pretty consistent basis too,
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So I would say that, you know, just the eye test,
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he takes away a lot more runs than he gives up.
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Obviously, we're talking about one of the best, pure, most
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dynamic talents in all of baseball and Daily Cruz four
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home runs in each of his last four games. He
526
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has a single home run in each of his last
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four games. He has sixteen for the season. But as
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00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:12.799
much as we want to talk about Ellie and it
529
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is a blast talking about Elie Daily Cruise, obviously, the
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team aspect of what they were able to accomplish yesterday
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late in the game and for the series for that matter,
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losing the first game of the series against the team
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with the best record in all of baseball, then coming
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from behind him winning both Saturday and Sunday and winning
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the series. But then the microcosm of what happened in
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the eighth and ninth inning yesterday, And I mentioned this
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several times on the postgame show yesterday on WLW. They
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were oh and twenty nine Tommy going into the eighth
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inning when they were trailing yesterday, and they finally won
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a game when trailing after the seventh inning. To me,
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that's a milestone win.
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Well, I think you look at a lot of things
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here that have happened over like the last oh, what
544
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is it, probably two three weeks or not even that,
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probably the last week and a half.
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You've seen this team do things.
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That they haven't been able to do here of the
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last couple of seasons for that matter, most recently, like
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you talked about overcoming a late deficit, picking up a win,
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overcoming a series opening loss, winning the series. They did
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that that snapped a long streak. You don't have to
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dig very deep into Twitter to figure out how long
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that streak was. They hadn't come from behind more than
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two runs all year.
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They did that.
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The other day won a game and I think it
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was three runs down. I think in the Arizona series
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they did that. They finally got to win an extra
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innings and they finally scored a run in extra innings.
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These were all hurdles that through the first part of
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the season they had not cleared. Now they've done that.
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I think those are signs that this team is starting
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to play some winning baseball. They've been able to preserve
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and win a low scoring, shutout game. They were able
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to win a one run game. You've had a picture
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go the distance wayde Miley, I think just keeps getting
567
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:07.799
better now with each of his first two starts, I
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00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:12.599
think yesterday was better than the first one. So, you know,
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I think you're just starting to see this team in
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every aspect make progress. And you know, I'm not here
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to knock the previous regime, but I think there were
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some things and some mistakes that this team was making
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on a fairly consistent basis last year that needed to
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be cleaned up this year, and look they're not. I've
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told people this a lot throughout the course of the season.
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When they say, well, we're seeing a lot of the
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00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.079
same mistakes. Yeah, you're going to for for a little while,
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because you don't just clean everything up overnight.
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It doesn't just take.
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One day, one spring and then all of a sudden,
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opening day hits and suddenly bad habits are corrected all
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at once. It takes a little time. You have to
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00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:59.400
realize the mistakes that you've made, why their mistakes, why
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00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.279
they need to be cleaned up, and you have to
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00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:04.960
correct some bad habits. And I think we're seeing the
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00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.319
process of that, and we're seeing the fruits of that
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00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:12.359
labor come to fruition at this point. And I don't
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00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.480
know everybody that everybody that's ever watched Terry Francona manage
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a team, and we just got done playing Cleveland, and
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00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:21.400
nobody knows Tito more than those guys, and everybody says, look,
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00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:24.559
you're probably going to be right around five hundred in
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00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:26.000
the first half, and then all of a sudden, this
593
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:27.720
team's going to go on a run the second half
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00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.839
and then look out, and it kind of feels like
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00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:33.960
we're starting to see this team maybe turn the corner.
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There's no doubt in my mind that this team has
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plenty of talent.
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Well, and that segues into exactly what I wanted to
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bring up next, and that is Terry Francona and how
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much credit he deserves for sticking to his core principle,
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which is, and you know this, Tommy, don't panic, right,
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00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.519
don't be worried about who you're going to play in
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a week, Don't be worried about who you're going to
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play in three days, don't worried about who you're going
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to play tomorrow. Be worried about the game you're about
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to play. And that is all you really care about.
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And by taking that philosophy, which is sometimes hard to do,
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I mean, look, we on the outside, we know that
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they're playing Minnesota, Saint Louis, the Yankees, the Padres, the
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00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:20.119
Red Sox coming up. It's our job to know that.
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But for him, it's his job to get the players
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to focus day, today, today and hammer that attitude in.
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And to me, this is where it starts to pay dividends,
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because the players aren't thinking about the game that happened
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three days ago or the game that's coming up in
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three games in three days. They're thinking about just tonight.
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To me, I know it sounds simplistic and basic, but
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that's how you improve. I think you're right.
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And look, you can look at it and think, boy,
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00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.960
it's a tough schedule coming up all these good teams. Yeah,
621
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:57.279
you can look at it that way. But if you
622
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.319
look at it that way, that's not really a winning approach.
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And I get it. You kind of look at it
624
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:05.759
in terms of, all, right, where the win's gonna come from.
625
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:07.519
The wins are gonna come from beating the other team
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00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.159
that you have on your schedule that night. That's where
627
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:11.320
the wins come from. And you got to figure out
628
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:12.960
a way. And there's nobody better at it. In my
629
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.880
mind that there might be two of the best managers
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00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:17.840
in baseball right now at doing that, and one of
631
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:20.960
them is in the Reds dugout, the other one probably
632
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.880
down in Texas. Bruce Bochi absolutely one of the best
633
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:26.400
managers in the game, and the.
634
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:28.559
Reds have played some other good ones here lately.
635
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:31.760
I think, you know, Craig Council does a great job
636
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:34.000
with that, as much as that pains me to say,
637
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:36.639
as long as he's been tormenting the Reds in an
638
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:40.320
opposite dugout in this division, I think Aj Hinch is
639
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:42.400
another guy that's really good at that. But all that
640
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:45.159
is to say, enough credit for those guys. But what
641
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:48.679
it comes down to is are you a winning team?
642
00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:50.400
And if you're a winning team and you think you
643
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.840
are good enough to be a team that can battle
644
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:56.559
for a postseason spot and not just that, but winning
645
00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:59.519
the postseason, it doesn't matter who's on your schedule. You
646
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:01.320
got to be to figure out a way to beat him.
647
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:03.519
And you know every team is going to go through
648
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:06.679
its ups and downs. The Reds probably didn't play the
649
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.199
quote unquote easy part of their schedule as well as
650
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they would have liked.
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But that's behind him.
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Now.
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It's a new day every day and you got to
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figure out how to win. And like I said, if
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00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:17.679
you're a good enough team, it doesn't matter who's on
656
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:19.559
the schedule, you still figure out a way to beat him.
657
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:23.079
And as long as this team plays as a unit
658
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like we've seen them do You talked about the opposite
659
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:28.480
field hitting by day La Cruz. I think the opposite
660
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.719
field hitting that we saw from Matt McClain was certainly encouraging.
661
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:32.079
TJ.
662
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:34.800
Friedel has quietly been one of the best, if not
663
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.440
the best, leadoff guy in the National League and certainly
664
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:39.800
one of the best hitting center fielders in the game.
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00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.199
And I will plead with anybody that'll listen, if that
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00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:43.880
guy's not in the All Star Game, that is just
667
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.360
a shame and what are we doing? Because he has
668
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:50.760
done everything imaginable to deserve a spot in the All
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00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:54.199
Star Game, So hopefully he ends up there. Tyler Stevenson's
670
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:56.360
hitting his stride after getting off to a slow start
671
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:59.559
coming back from injury. There's just a lot of encouraging
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00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:01.920
signs right now on this team, and it's hard not
673
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:04.719
to get excited about about where they're headed because this
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00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:08.519
pitching staff is certainly proven that they're they're certainly capable
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00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:10.360
enough to be a winning staff.
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You know who I don't think gets talked about enough
677
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:16.760
and who has really been clutch offensively for this team
678
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:20.159
when they were not scoring early in the season. Gavin Lux.
679
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:24.039
He's hitting to eighty one and he, to me, is
680
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:30.800
your ideal bottom third of the order hitter, simply because Tommy,
681
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:33.199
you're not throwing away in it back. You know, you
682
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:35.800
get to the bottom of the order and on some teams,
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the pitching other picture knows they're going to get a
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00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:41.920
bit of a breather. Well, when you expand the lineup
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and then when you know Austin Hayes comes back, if
686
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:47.920
you can push Gavin Lux to seventh, maybe eighth, and
687
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:50.199
you get him hitting, you know what he is now
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00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:53.800
to eighty one and his OBP is you know, north
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00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:58.119
of three forty three point fifty. Uh, that is a
690
00:36:58.159 --> 00:36:59.920
significant boost to your offense.
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00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.760
Well, yeah, I mean I think that's a great point
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because you talked about the quality of a bat, and
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I think that's probably the most noteworthy thing when it
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00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:12.039
comes to Gavin Lux, because there are few guys on
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00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:16.159
this team that have given consistently professional at bats the
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00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:19.360
way he has. You know, I think you can dive
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00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:21.719
into the numbers a little deeper and you find some
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00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:24.920
situations where maybe he struggles a little bit, but whenever
699
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.880
he comes the plate, whenever he's in the box, you
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00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.440
kind of feel good about your odds. You like your
701
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:33.199
chances just because you know that he's going to be
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00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:35.239
up there battling. You know that he's going to give
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00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:38.199
you a good a good fight in the box. And
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00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:40.599
know the way it's been going right now for him,
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00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:41.840
he's been extremely productive.
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00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:43.239
I think that's a great point.
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I think he was a big pick up for this team,
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00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:48.039
and I think he's gonna be another one of these
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00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:51.239
guys that just continues to make progress. He made a
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00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.360
lot of progress in the second half last year. He's
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a professional, He's been around it. He knows what it
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00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.800
takes to win because he has been on the franchise
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00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:03.800
that epitomizes winning in this sport. And I know the
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00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.159
superstars certainly helped, but he also is a guy that
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00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:08.440
understands it's more than just the star power that leads
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the wins.
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We will wrap it up with a segue into speaking
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of superstars. How shocked were you when you read the
719
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:19.400
news of Raphael Devers being traded to the Giants. You know,
720
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:22.440
I was sitting there. I actually watched the game.
721
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.159
I think they played what was it, We had the
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day game Saturday, so yeah, they were Saturday night. They're
723
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:29.800
on TV National TV against the Yankees, and they were
724
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:34.000
talking about the tumultuous situation with with Devers and the
725
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:35.960
Red Sox, and I was sitting there thinking to myself,
726
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:40.199
I'm like, they just need to trade this guy.
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Today.
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00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.119
After the game, I see whoa he was actually traded
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00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:46.480
actually did it and so I guess I can't sit
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00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:48.320
here and tell you I was too surprised because I.
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Was sitting there watching the game on TV, thinking maybe
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they need to trade him.
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Uh So, I guess yeah I was, but I was
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still shocked.
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I mean yeah, I mean I was too. I mean
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I could see that happening. You know. I cover the
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Red Sox, covered the start of Dever's career in Boston,
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and after watching what happened with Mookie Betts, to see
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this happen with Raphael Devers in a period of now
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five years is just incredible.
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I'd like to know if they could go back and
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do Mookie have a redo with Mookie Betts, if they
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figure out a way to keep him. I mean, that's
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the one, more than anything that stuns me, because I've
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heard nothing but good things about him, and he is
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as good of a player as you could ask for.
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And this is a guy that is seemingly as humble
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as you could ask On a team that is full
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of superstars, and on just about every other team in
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Major League Baseball, he would be the star. And he
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just assumes his role there in LA and goes about it,
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goes about his business and a professional manner. He's everything
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you could possibly ask for. I don't I mean, I
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don't necessarily fully understand that situation letting him go. But
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it's not like they don't have the resources in Boston.
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No, that is true. Well, we've got to wrap it
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up here, Tommy. I want to let you enjoy the
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rest of your well earned day off. It's not just
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the players that need the day off, it's the broadcasters
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that travel with the team. Enjoy the rest of your
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Monday day off, and you will be on seven hundred
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WLW as always on Tuesday night as the Reds open
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a three game series with the Minnesota Twins at seven
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ten at Great American Ballpark. Tommy, thanks so much for
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joining me Trags anytime. Thanks so much, appreciate it. All right,
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he's Tommy Thrall. My name is Mike Petralia, and you're
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listening to the Mowagger Radio show on Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.
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Mike Petralia tracks back with you for our number two
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of three here on Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. This is
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the Moeger Radio Show. Thank you once again to Moegar
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for allowing me to sit in the high chair for
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these three very fortunate ours. Also thank you to Taring Bland.
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It's doing a great job as always getting all the
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calls set up, all of our guests, set up all
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of the sound. Maybe we'll get to some sound later
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in the broadcast. We'll see how the show flows along. Also,
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phone lines are open. We want to hear from you
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about your belief level. In the twenty twenty five Cincinnati
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Reds after taking two of three from the Cleveland Guardians,
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two of three from the Detroit Tigers on the road,
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and they've won seven of nine. Of course, they swept
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the Arizona Diamondbacks. What is your belief level and the
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ability of this team to win either the National League
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Central or at least just get to the playoffs, make
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a run and get to the playoffs for the first
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time since twenty twenty, but the first time really in
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a legitimate season since twenty thirteen. What is your confidence
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level in the Cincinnati Reds five to one, three seven
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four nine, fifteen thirty five one three seven four nine
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fifteen thirty Want to talk Bengals. Is Trey Hendrickson going
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to get done before training camp or will it bleed
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into training camp? Or will he hold out? Will he
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miss regular season games? I want to know what you
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fans out there of the Bengals think is the most
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likely scenario with Trey Hendrickson. If you want to talk
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Shamar Stewart, fine, but I think people are burned out.
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It's a procedural matter. In my estimation, in the estimation
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of other people who are paid to cover the Bengals
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on a regular basis, I think it will get done.
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It's a matter of a rookie contract getting ironed out.
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But if you want to talk to Shamar Stewart, if
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you want to talk about the Bengals moving their training
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camp practice from the afternoons to the mornings to try
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and get a head start on their mental focus for
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the season, which is what Zach Taylor's trying to do.
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We can talk about that as well. My next guest, though,
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we want to talk about a pope pirie of sports items.
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I want to talk about what JJ spawn was able
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to accomplish with my next guest. That is Alex Frank,
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my colleague at colns Sinc dot com. He's a regular
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on this program. He's a regular on WLWE I host
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Extra Innings. Alex, how you doing, bud.
824
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Well, Mike.
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I'm great. As I'm saying, the draftic heading back to
826
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downtown Cincinnati, and I have to.
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Ask please don't get into an accident, Please do.
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Not do that.
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I can assure you that won't happen, but I will
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ask you this. What's the longest putt you've ever made
831
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on a golf course.
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Okay, I'm ballparking this about fifty feet. I've legitimately made
833
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in competition of fifty foot putt and it was almost
834
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a lappable when it goes in the hole at that distance.
835
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You're like, Okay, I had no expectation that the putt
836
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was going to go in. And I was sitting enjoying
837
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a Father's Day meal with the lovely Deborah Ann and
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her daughter yesterday evening and watching the conclusion of the
839
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US Open. By the way, I was shocked but that
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they could actually get the rest of the US Open
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in during daylight in Oakmont, Northeast Pittsburgh. But they were
842
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able to do it. But the longest put I've ever
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done is about fifty feet.
844
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Well, that's impressive, first off, And to your other point
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about how the weather was yesterday at Oakmond, I made
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the comment to several of my family members I was
847
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with last night on Father's Day, it looked like I
848
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was watching the Open Championship, right, and the thickness of
849
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the rough and just I mean, it was like I
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was watching the Open on a Thursday or Friday morning,
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and I'm watching the final round of the US Open,
852
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which made that sixty four foot putt from JJ spawn
853
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even more impressive. And I saw on Twitter today that
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someone tweeted that JJ spawn Sunday started at three am
855
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when he went to a CBS near the golf course
856
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because his daughter was sick. And then he wins the
857
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:47.800
US Open on Father's Day. So you want to talk
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about that's unbelievable.
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It truly is?
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It?
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Truly is?
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I love a story like that. And then he's able
863
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to let that daughter that he got went to the
864
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went to the CBS four, actually hold the trophy that
865
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her dad won.
866
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It is.
867
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It's a surreal story. It's one of the better stories because, look,
868
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we've become cynical and we've become critical of these athletes
869
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and I and I understand why that is a lot
870
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of it's because in pro pro team sports, it's all
871
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:21.639
about the money. And I get that. And even in
872
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:25.000
the live golf turn tour era that we're in, it's
873
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:27.360
all about the money. Who can get paid the most,
874
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:31.559
who can set the conditions of the competition the most,
875
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:34.440
Who has the most power uh at the top of
876
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:38.159
the golfing ladder. And to see a guy understand that
877
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:43.400
JJ spawn was on the brink of leaving golf. I
878
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don't know if anybody's watched Stick you do? You know
879
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:50.920
what stick is on Apple Plus? Alex heard of It's
880
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Owen Wilson.
881
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Yeah.
882
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:58.400
Owen Wilson is this woe begone former golfer who was
883
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on the PGA Tour, lost his brains, lost his mind,
884
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:05.519
and competition got into a fight. But it's you know,
885
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:09.679
it's it's kind of a funny take on what happens
886
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:13.679
on the PGA Tour, and he takes up the cause
887
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of this young, very very young, seventeen year old golfer
888
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:21.360
with all the talent in the world. And the point
889
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:25.679
I'm making here is, you know, it is amazing to
890
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:28.840
think that a guy that close to quitting golf altogether,
891
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had never made the cut in the US Open, has
892
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:35.400
never played, like you mentioned overseas in the Open Championship
893
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:38.559
in Great Britain. The fact that he was able to
894
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:42.320
come from five to six strokes back on the back
895
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:47.239
nine yesterday and win that tournament in those conditions is astounding.
896
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:51.719
Well, and that's why we love sports, right yep, the
897
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:55.400
humanity element when you hear whenever you hear a story
898
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about a guy that was almost going to quit the
899
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.440
sport that he's in or she's in, and then they
900
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:03.199
win something as miraculous as the US Open, given the
901
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:08.360
weather conditions that was prevalent yesterday at Oakmont, it's just
902
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:10.840
really really impressive and it goes to show you again,
903
00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:13.440
the human element to sports. I know, I know we
904
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.719
can overlook it very easily, but if you don't overlook it,
905
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:20.199
you can really get some great stories about incredible athletes
906
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and even guys like you've never heard of before this weekend,
907
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probably like JJ Spawn. So just a tremendous performance from him.
908
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And I tell you if you we talked about this
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mic on Friday with hockey, but with golf, if you're
910
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:37.800
not into it now, this is a great year to
911
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:39.840
get into it because of how good the Masters were,
912
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:43.639
the PGA Championship and Skye Schffler's dominance, and now this
913
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.320
incredible US Open that we're coming off of. Now we
914
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:49.119
got the Open Championship in Northern Ireland next month. It's
915
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:51.039
a great time to get into the sport. I mean,
916
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:54.239
the weather's getting really nice, you can go play golf recreationally.
917
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:57.679
I'm telling you, it's a it's a great sports stale
918
00:48:57.760 --> 00:48:58.719
watch but also.
919
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:03.159
Take part in. Yeah, great points, Alex, and I couldn't
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have said it any better. I just didn't see when
921
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JJ spawn fall off, fell off the track at about
922
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five or six over uh in the first round. I
923
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think he had five straight fives on his card in
924
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the front nine yesterday and to come back is just
925
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something nobody expected. I'm curious, speaking of other sports, the
926
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:30.639
NBA Finals tonight. We have a lot of Pacer fans
927
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in the audience listening to this. And by the way,
928
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five one, three, seven, nine, fifteen thirty, if any Indiana
929
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:40.760
Pacer fans want to call in and talk about tonight's
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00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:46.559
massive game number five in Oklahoma City Thunder and the Pacers.
931
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With the series tied at to to alex the Pacers
932
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:52.800
had a golden opportunity on Friday night to go up
933
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:54.280
three to one, and I think if they had won
934
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:57.039
that game they would eventually win the title. I'm not
935
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so sure.
936
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:01.719
Now you're right, And you know what this series reminds
937
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me so much of is the twenty fifteen NBA Finals
938
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:08.440
between Cleveland and Golden State, where the Caps the Warriors
939
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were clearly the better team going in and ultimately winning
940
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:15.679
the series, but Cleveland led two to one and they
941
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:18.360
had Game four on their home floor. If they had
942
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:20.079
won that game, maybe they could have gone on to
943
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:23.280
win the series. Golden State takes that game a close game,
944
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but they go win Game five back in the Bay
945
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Area and then they wrap it up in Game six
946
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back in Cleveland, so it kind of reminds me of
947
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that this series. But I think what's interesting going into
948
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tonight's game is like twenty fifteen, can Indiana re group?
949
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Can they you know, apply pressure on the Thunder? Because
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the Thunder had the momentum right now, especially after the
951
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way they won Game four. So if you're Indiana, you
952
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:53.880
got to come out and just immediately apply pressure. And
953
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:57.679
that's not just defensively, because their style of play is
954
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can they hit threes early to make it a fast
955
00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:04.199
paced game? The Thunder being the best defensive team in
956
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:07.320
the NBA, they're oven for more of a slower pace game.
957
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But if you're Indiana, get out and make them run,
958
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you know, catch them off guard. They're not expecting that.
959
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You got to throw that first punch early with the
960
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momentum that Oklahoma City has, So it's going to be
961
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I think the first quarter is going to be really interesting,
962
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and if it's close, great. If you can get to
963
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halftime and the game is within two possessions and you're
964
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the Indiana Pacers, you'll take that, I think.
965
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:37.320
I think if you're within single digits at halftime, you've
966
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:40.159
got a chance. I think that's what you don't want
967
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to see, and we've seen it a lot in these
968
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:44.679
NBA playoffs. I mean, these have been the playoffs of
969
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:48.800
the comeback. I get that. Well, we've also seen twenty
970
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and thirty point leads by halftime, and obviously Indiana needs
971
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to avoid that. Indiana goes in as nine and a
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half point underdogs, but the Pacers have not wins this
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postseason as an underdog going into a game. That's a
974
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:08.360
fascinating stat to me. What do you make of that?
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00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:13.280
Well, it's great and it goes to show you how
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resilient they've been. You can never count the Indiana Pacers out.
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I mean they've been underdogs this entire season. They I
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mean think about this. They were a four seed and
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they still are. They were a four seed in the
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00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:31.199
Eastern Conference, and you know, they were being overlooked because
981
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:33.239
you had teams in the East Lake Cleveland that was
982
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:36.119
so good in the regular season. You had Boston who
983
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:40.159
were the defending champions. So they were being heavily overlooked.
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But they have just kept coming and coming and coming
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and coming in waves. And I think the interesting thing
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to me is they have proven themselves so much time
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00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:52.519
and time again throughout these playoffs that it's not just
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00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:55.559
about their comebacks and their ability to pull those off,
989
00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:58.599
it's their ability to dominate teams. I mean, you look
990
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:01.920
at the way they play so Tyres Halliburton and other
991
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:05.000
role players like aaron Ne Smith and Edrew Nemhardt and
992
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:08.480
Pascal Siakam who's won an NBA title with the Raptors before.
993
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:12.400
And then you think about I mean, you can look
994
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:13.920
at what TJ McConnell has.
995
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:14.280
Done this year.
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00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:18.159
I love TJ McConnell. Oh great, it's just so much
997
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:21.719
fun watching him play. And Dustin Depirak, who we have
998
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:26.920
had on here of the Indianapolis Star, he says, you know,
999
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:31.440
he's not going to blow anyone away with quickness, speed
1000
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:37.400
or even his strength, but what he has in determination
1001
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:43.800
and experience, he just beats guys on gile love TJ McConnell.
1002
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:46.320
He's been like that ever since he was at Arizona
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00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:49.320
ten years ago on those Wildcats teams that were really good.
1004
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:52.239
So it's no surprise to me that he's doing what
1005
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:54.440
he's doing. But you're right, it's just that, you know,
1006
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:56.119
he may not be the quickest, he may not be
1007
00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:59.880
you know the best shooter, but he will outwork you
1008
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:03.320
and now tough you, and that that is something that
1009
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:07.840
Indiana fans in particular will adhere greatly to because of that.
1010
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:11.519
And he completely turned Game three around. He comes off
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00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:14.480
the bench and he's flying into the crowdies, you know,
1012
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:17.480
saving balls from going out of balance. He's pertaining possessions
1013
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:21.679
for the Pacers like I think him tonight. DJ McConnell
1014
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:24.679
may be the not only the X factor, but the
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00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:27.480
key tonight for Indiana and providing that spark on the
1016
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:30.840
road because you don't have the lamentum right now. But
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00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:33.519
if you're Oklahoma City, you're gonna focus on Halliburton, You're
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00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:36.880
gonna focus on Siaka Man, even Miles Turner. You can't
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00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:38.119
overlook TJ McConnell.
1020
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Give me a winner of the series.
1021
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:43.760
And why I sat Thunder and six at the beginning,
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00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:46.239
I still am gonna maintain that. I just think they're
1023
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:50.599
the better team. I think in a series of this magnitude,
1024
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:53.119
they have the best team. They have the best player
1025
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:56.920
in shag yogis Alexander. I'm gonna stick with Thunder and six,
1026
00:54:57.000 --> 00:55:00.679
but I wouldn't be shocked if Indiana wins tonight or
1027
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:04.280
at the very least win Thursday and forces a game
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00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:05.760
seven on Sunday night.
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00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.440
You know what they say, Alex, if you get a
1030
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:12.119
series to game seven, anything can happen. Anything.
1031
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:17.159
Well that I am a scortal agreement on that.
1032
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:19.960
All right. I wanted to bring you on to talk
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00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:25.199
FC Cincinnati and we hadn't spoken since Friday, and they
1034
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:28.119
won a big, big game in New England at Gillette
1035
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:32.440
Stadium one nil on Saturday night as Kevin Denke scored
1036
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:35.880
the only goal for the Orange and Blue, and it
1037
00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:39.400
was a massive win for the Orange and Blue simply
1038
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:43.599
because they were struggling. They obviously still feel the effect
1039
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:48.559
of losing Nick Haglin, their star defender and backer. What
1040
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:50.880
did you make of what they were able to accomplish
1041
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:54.840
on the road in Foxborough on Saturday night?
1042
00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:58.000
I make that day got back to who they were,
1043
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:01.159
you know, their team that play off of playing great
1044
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:04.320
defense and a clean sheet, which was really important. And
1045
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.519
then the way that match was unfolded. I texted you
1046
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:10.639
this during it. It was intense on both sides. I
1047
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:14.440
mean both teams were attacking offensively, there were a lot
1048
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:17.159
of shots on goal early and then in a game
1049
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:19.480
like that, all it takes is one goal and a
1050
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:23.719
guy that you mentioned, Kevin Dankey eleventh n LS regular
1051
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:26.880
season goal this season in the twenty sixth minute. And
1052
00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:29.679
then give Roman Celentano credit and give the f C
1053
00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:34.280
Cincinnati defense credit for, you know, keeping New England off
1054
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:37.360
the scoreboard, because there were chances in the second half
1055
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:40.519
for the Revolution to get back into the game and
1056
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:44.360
tie it. But you think about what f C Cincinnati
1057
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:46.639
had been through since Nick Haglan got hurt. You know,
1058
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:51.519
they had not won overall since May fourteenth, and you
1059
00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:54.639
go on the road tough environment. I mean, here's the
1060
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:57.000
crazy thing. And you know this because you, Mike, you
1061
00:56:57.079 --> 00:56:59.079
lived in Boston for so long. It was fifty six
1062
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:03.719
degrees a Saturday night soccer match in Jillette Stadium in
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00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:06.239
New England. Now, obviously it's in the Northeast, so it
1064
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:09.119
can be a little cooler in the summers, but fifty
1065
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:11.320
six degrees in the middle of June on a Saturday night.
1066
00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:14.480
I mean, give Vessie Cincinnati credit for going up there
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00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:16.760
in the elements sweeping the team that they had not
1068
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:20.000
swept in their entire MLS existence going back to twenty nineteen.
1069
00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:25.239
So very very good win and now here's the great thing.
1070
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:28.559
You get another lengthy layoff eleven days before you go
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00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:31.760
face Montreal, and then you go face an Orlando team
1072
00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:34.199
that's in fifth place. So you're gonna be facing a
1073
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:37.280
lot of tough, tough teams coming up, which is why
1074
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:40.880
you had to get a win against a really tesky
1075
00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:43.639
New England team that the standings do not nearly reflect
1076
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:44.880
up the way they have been playing.
1077
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:49.480
And as you texted me, I'll return the favor. The
1078
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:52.760
Orange and Blue have home matches coming up in July
1079
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:59.400
at TQL against Chicago Columbus and Inner Miami FC. Those
1080
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:02.960
are should be three terrific games. It should be a
1081
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:07.280
great slate of games for FC Cincinnati that I don't
1082
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:10.239
want to say get well, but certainly entertain what I
1083
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:12.400
think will be sellout crowds at TQL.
1084
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:16.400
Oh, you're absolutely right. I mean, that's that's the thing
1085
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:19.280
I'm most looking forward to, especially the summers down here
1086
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:22.840
in Cincinnati, with an MLS team in FC Cincinnati that
1087
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:26.480
is once again in contention for the Supporter Shield and
1088
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:28.960
is going to get a really good seed in the playoffs,
1089
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:31.719
so long as they continue to do what they're supposed
1090
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:34.960
to do and win matches like Saturday night, but I
1091
00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:36.679
mean those are going to be like I mean the
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00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:39.440
Inner MIAMIFC game. I know it's a Wednesday night, but
1093
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:41.360
in the summer you're gonna be able to get a
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00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:43.800
sellout crowd because of Leonel Messi coming.
1095
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:45.559
And we all.
1096
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:49.320
Remember twenty twenty three in the League's come. How thrilling
1097
00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:52.320
I will be it devastating that match was?
1098
00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:56.880
All right, he is Alex frank does a great job
1099
00:58:56.960 --> 00:59:01.480
of covering all things sports for Cincinnati Sports, that is
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00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:05.920
for clnssinc dot com. Also, Alex, if you will plug
1101
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:08.960
some of your other sites that you do work for,
1102
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.679
especially when it's college football and college basketball.
1103
00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:16.880
Season, well mainly college basketball and college football SB Nation,
1104
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:19.719
a Sea of Blue for Kentucky, Cincy Jungle for the Bengals,
1105
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:21.880
and now Land Grand holy Land for Ohio State. And
1106
00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:24.239
they can check all that workout on my Twitter at
1107
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:26.079
Frankie underscore Natty with two ends.
1108
00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:30.840
That is terrific. Well done, my friend, Well well done.
1109
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:33.920
All right. I hope you get to where you're going safely.
1110
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:37.440
Please keep your eyes and hand eyes on the road,
1111
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:41.159
hands at ten and two. All right, you don't have
1112
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:41.840
to worry about me.
1113
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:43.639
Mike, I'll be all right, but thank you so much,
1114
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:45.920
and it's always great talking with you and Tarin.
1115
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:49.840
All right, sounds good. He is Alex Frank. My name
1116
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:53.559
is Mike Petralia, and you're listening to the Molwagger Radio
1117
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:56.320
Show on Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.
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00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:02.440
Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen third Traffic from.
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right shoulder. I'm at ezelic with traffic.
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This report is.
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01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:41.079
All right. We have a few minutes here. My name
1130
01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:43.920
is Mike Vietralia, filling in for the one and only
1131
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:50.440
Moager on the Moager Radio Show on Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.
1132
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:54.880
Do have phone lines open, and we do want to
1133
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:57.639
take your calls on whether or not you think this
1134
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:00.760
Reds team is for real after winning seven of their
1135
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:05.800
last nine games, winning the series in Cleveland, winning the
1136
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:09.079
series in Detroit after dropping the first game on Friday
1137
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:11.960
night and winning two straight, something they had not done
1138
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:16.159
all year long. Also last night or yesterday afternoon in Detroit,
1139
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:20.559
they did something they hadn't done in twenty nine previous tries,
1140
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:23.519
and that was win a game when they trailed after
1141
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:27.079
seven innings. They accomplished that on the road against the
1142
01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:29.599
Detroit Tigers, winning that game eight to four. We want
1143
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:31.960
to hear your thoughts on the Reds. Want to hear
1144
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:35.159
your thoughts on the Bengals. Five one three seven four nine,
1145
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:39.960
fifteen thirty. Again, that's five one, three, seven, four nine,
1146
01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:45.199
fifteen thirty. After the bottom of the hour break, we
1147
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:49.519
will be talking with Alex Barth of ninety eight five
1148
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:52.960
the Sports Hub in Boston. Why you ask, well, I
1149
01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:55.599
want to get the reaction from the belly of the
1150
01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:59.719
Beast on one of the biggest, most stunning trades that
1151
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:02.679
we have seen in Major League Baseball this early in
1152
01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:06.480
the season in quite some time. Raphael Devers going to
1153
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:12.039
the San Francisco Giants essentially for prospects and not much
1154
01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:14.480
more than that. And I want to get the temperature
1155
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:17.519
of that fan base in Boston, which is unlike any
1156
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:22.440
other in Major League Baseball. They lost Mookie Betts, of course,
1157
01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:24.920
when he left as a free agent and signed with
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01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:30.800
the LA Dodgers. Now they've lost the other prize prospect
1159
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:33.440
that they had in the mid to twenty tens. They
1160
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:37.000
lose Rafael Devers. He's off to the San Francisco Giants.
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01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:41.440
We'll talk with Alex Barth about that coming up after
1162
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:45.199
the bottom of the hour. Also, we'll talk about the
1163
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:48.320
Cincinnati Bengals. And I want to focus on a player
1164
01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:52.480
that I think got some attention in the offseason, but
1165
01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:55.400
not enough, Dax Hill. What is his role going to
1166
01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:59.559
be in Al Golden's new defense as he takes over
1167
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:03.000
the rain from lou Anarumo This year, There's been a
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01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:07.400
lot of talk about what Al Golden's going to be
1169
01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:10.519
able to do with the Bengals defense. He wants to
1170
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:18.079
put players now before the season begins, in positions of uncomfortability,
1171
01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:22.039
if you will. He used the term tyranny of comfort.
1172
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:25.599
The tyranny of comfort he wants to avoid. He doesn't
1173
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:29.440
want guys being comfortable. He wants to make guys uncomfortable.
1174
01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:32.440
And I think, you know you can read between the lines,
1175
01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:36.119
but that may be a shot at the previous way
1176
01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:39.119
that Bengals were playing defense. Too many guys were relying
1177
01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:43.679
on being comfortable, being relying or relying on what they
1178
01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:46.920
did the best, and not getting out of their comfort zone.
1179
01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:50.239
And so Al Golden, I think, is trying to not
1180
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:53.280
only get guys play different positions, but look at the
1181
01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:56.639
defense in a different way. We'll have that and much
1182
01:03:56.719 --> 01:03:59.800
much more coming up as The Moegger Radio Show can
1183
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:03.599
on Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.
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five at Kyle's Lane. It's a disabled vehicle that's off
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onto the right shoulder. Southbound seventy five. Traffic is stop
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and go between Western Hills Viaduct and the Bret Spence Bridge.
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A seven minute delay I'm at Ezelic with traffic Monday afternoon.
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My name is Mike Betralliat Trags, as you might know
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me on the X also sealing us Cincy with a
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y dot com. I'm filling in for the Moeger radio show.
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I'm filling in for Moeger on the Moager Radio Show.
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01:04:56.320 --> 01:05:01.719
I should say on Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen, what in the
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world are they doing in Boston. Look, I understand I
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01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:08.360
have some bias here because I used to work there
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01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:11.000
for a long, long, long time. I have a lot
1202
01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:13.840
of friends and families still up in the New England
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01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:17.000
slash Boston area, and a lot of them are loyal
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01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:20.320
Boston Red Sox fans, and they have to be scratching
1205
01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:22.719
their head, or maybe not, maybe they're like, well, this
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01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:25.639
is part for the course with the Red Sox trading
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01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:31.400
away without question, the most potent and powerful and consistent
1208
01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:34.400
offensive bat in the Red Sox lineup to the San
1209
01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:40.239
Francisco Giants for essentially four prospects. I'm curious as to
1210
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:43.039
what the temperature of that city is, because they go
1211
01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:46.119
nuts when something like this happens, and it's the one
1212
01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:49.559
time where I kind of wish I could transport self
1213
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:52.480
transport for a day just to go back there and
1214
01:05:52.599 --> 01:05:56.880
watch the people, specifically listen to sports radio. I can
1215
01:05:56.920 --> 01:06:00.280
do that naturally. I can do that online. Anybody can
1216
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:02.320
do that, but I want to. I would love to
1217
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:06.440
be in the area to kind of soak in the cynicism,
1218
01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:08.880
but to give me a taste of that. Right now,
1219
01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:11.480
I welcome back a good friend of this program, a
1220
01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:14.880
good friend of my own, and that would be Alex Bart,
1221
01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:19.079
a former colleague at Sealing S since the Sealingsmedia dot com.
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01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:21.519
I guess he still does some work there. How you doing, Alex?
1223
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:23.119
Uh?
1224
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:25.920
You know, I'm still kind of in shock for being honest,
1225
01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:30.599
Like the day, I don't remember the last time we
1226
01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:34.320
had a news day as impactful around here as this.
1227
01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:37.519
This is, this is, and I mean the day is
1228
01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:40.440
still going because the Red Sox, as they're one to do,
1229
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:44.719
the press conference isn't even until eight o'clock tonight. That's
1230
01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:46.920
going to be more than twenty four hours after the trade,
1231
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:50.599
So we're not even done with the and this will
1232
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:53.280
be talked about all week. Like you said, it's hum
1233
01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:55.960
in the water for Boston Sports Radio. But you know,
1234
01:06:56.119 --> 01:07:00.400
to trade away the face of the franchise, and Sam Kennedy,
1235
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:04.039
the team president, and Craig Brezlo's. The fact of GM
1236
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:08.320
won't even speak until twenty six hours after the trade
1237
01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:12.239
alone is jarring enough. That's not even the most jarring thing,
1238
01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:14.559
But that's just right go and it's you know, what.
1239
01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:15.400
Is this day like?
1240
01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:18.039
Well, we're all just kind of waiting to see how
1241
01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:19.920
they're going to put their foot in their mouth even further.
1242
01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:23.880
So, you and I both know that they are all
1243
01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:28.800
about image pushing the image pushing the message. They are
1244
01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:33.360
so critically tied in and worried about that every second,
1245
01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:37.239
every waking second of the day. That's why they're taking
1246
01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:39.920
this long, Alex, You and I you should know that
1247
01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:42.519
by now right, I mean they are having meetings upon
1248
01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:46.360
meetings upon meetings about what is the best way to
1249
01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:50.760
put this in a way that favors us and throws
1250
01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:54.159
the exiting player under a bus. That's the way they've
1251
01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:56.800
always been and this is going to be no different now.
1252
01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:00.000
The difference here to me is, and I can't belie
1253
01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:02.960
even I'm going to say this, the Red Sox do
1254
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:06.719
deserve some sympathy because I think towards the end it
1255
01:08:06.840 --> 01:08:11.599
was obvious that Rafael Devers did not want to play
1256
01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:14.440
the way the Red Sox wanted him to play. Play
1257
01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:17.920
where they wanted him to play specifically, and that was
1258
01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:22.960
because of different injuries, different roster manipulations. Player lost here,
1259
01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:25.920
player lost there, and they wanted him to fill in.
1260
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:29.359
And I think whatever it was, the first domino to
1261
01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:33.920
fall was who was it that injured himself at first
1262
01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:37.920
base running over? Yes, Tristan Cossas. I would say that
1263
01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:41.000
was the largest domino to fall in all of this
1264
01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:41.960
starting to happen.
1265
01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:46.159
I think goes way back before that. And this is
1266
01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:49.640
the question I've kind of posed to people, say, did
1267
01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:52.960
this trade become inevitable because Rafael Devers didn't want to
1268
01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:56.640
be here yet? Did Rafael Devers not want to be
1269
01:08:56.720 --> 01:08:59.720
in Boston? Or did the Red Sox create a situation
1270
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:01.760
in which Rafael Devers did.
1271
01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:02.720
Not want to be in Boston.
1272
01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:06.600
It really goes back to well, I mean, we can
1273
01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:08.439
go all the way back to John Lester, and they've
1274
01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:12.079
been chasing contracts and dampr for a decade now. Part
1275
01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:15.560
of the reason they signed Devers is because fans are
1276
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:18.920
so upset about them losing Mookie Bets and Xander Bogarts,
1277
01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:20.520
and by the way, we were sold at the time
1278
01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:23.359
that Mookie Betts was traded because they had to do
1279
01:09:23.479 --> 01:09:26.399
that so they would have the money to pay Bogarts.
1280
01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:30.560
It's pay Devers. Now all three are in the NLS.
1281
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:34.079
But in this specific instance, it goes back to this
1282
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:39.279
offseason when according to reports, Devers saw the news that
1283
01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:42.199
the Red Sox were interested in getting Alex Pregnant or
1284
01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:44.399
Nolan Aaron Ottaw or one of these third basemen that
1285
01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:46.880
were out there, and he kind of went to the
1286
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:49.640
team and said, Hey, what's going on. I'm a third baseman,
1287
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:52.479
and he was basically told, don't worry about that, it's
1288
01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:57.000
media speculation. They then obviously signed Alex Bregmant and then
1289
01:09:57.199 --> 01:10:00.039
he was told that Pregnant will be playing second he
1290
01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:02.960
wouldn't change his position, and then that never came true,
1291
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:05.520
and then he was told to d h and they
1292
01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:08.920
didn't want him playing the field, and then Kassas gets hurt.
1293
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:11.000
And I understand why some people look at that and say,
1294
01:10:11.439 --> 01:10:14.319
it's extenuating circumstances. Why would he do it for the team,
1295
01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:16.520
And there is a case to be made there. Rafaeld
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01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:19.680
Bevers did not handle as well he was childish, but
1297
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:24.119
I also understand his hesitation when he signs the contracts
1298
01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:27.279
three years ago, albeit with a different GM. He signs
1299
01:10:27.279 --> 01:10:29.039
the contract three years ago, is total he's going to
1300
01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:32.159
play third, then as told the team isn't signed, isn't
1301
01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:34.720
looking to sign another third base than they do. Then
1302
01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:37.319
is told that he's still going to play third, which
1303
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:39.439
he isn't. Then he's told that they don't think he's
1304
01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:41.560
good enough to play the field. For them to come
1305
01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:43.600
back two months later and ask him to play the field,
1306
01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:47.920
it was a real It became a really ugly relationship
1307
01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:50.720
in both sides are at fault. I don't think this
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01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:53.199
was raf field Evers just putting his foot down in
1309
01:10:53.319 --> 01:10:56.159
the Red Sox Avenue trade an insubordinate player. This was
1310
01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:59.119
another case, as it was with Moviie Betts, as it
1311
01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:01.399
was to John Less, as was with a handful of
1312
01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:05.520
other players, of them getting under the skin of a
1313
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:08.520
star to the point where that player can no longer
1314
01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:09.640
remain in the organization.
1315
01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:11.920
What are they getting back in return? I mean, what
1316
01:11:12.039 --> 01:11:14.800
I don't understand is, Okay, you're upset with the player,
1317
01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:17.960
but why the need to rush him out of town was?
1318
01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:21.960
It was something going to happen. Did the Red Sox
1319
01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:25.319
think something was going to happen with Raphael Devers if
1320
01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:26.560
he stayed around the club?
1321
01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:27.560
Uh?
1322
01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:31.279
And that would damage the club, would damage their young prospects.
1323
01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:33.800
Did they really think he was going to be that
1324
01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:36.279
big of a detriment to the young players? And granted
1325
01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:40.760
they have a trio of very talented prospects coming up,
1326
01:11:42.039 --> 01:11:44.239
did he think that he was going to damage them?
1327
01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:47.319
I mean that might have been part of it, you know,
1328
01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:48.039
to the.
1329
01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:50.439
Point where they couldn't have waited another month till the deadline.
1330
01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:53.720
But here's the thing. I think in their mind, what
1331
01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:57.439
they're getting back is the Giants took the whole contract. Yeah,
1332
01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:00.760
they're off the hook for the whole contract. Soh you know,
1333
01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:03.960
if you wait, well, now maybe the Giants go out
1334
01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:06.920
and they find another bat and now they're not interested.
1335
01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:08.520
And how many teams are really going to take that
1336
01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:11.239
whole contract. I think they saw an opportunity to get
1337
01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:13.560
the contract off the books and they took it. I
1338
01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:15.920
think that's what it was. And you know, maybe the
1339
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:18.279
Giants put a clock on them and said, yeah, we'll
1340
01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:20.359
do this, p us to let us know by whenever.
1341
01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:23.159
So I think that was the major part of it.
1342
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:25.159
I some of it was probably they didn't want them
1343
01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:28.119
around the younger players. They were worried about his influence there.
1344
01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:30.760
I wonder if some of it was you mentioned how
1345
01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:33.640
pr conscious they try to be. I wonder if there
1346
01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:36.000
was a thought of, well, we have all this good buzz.
1347
01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:38.239
We just swept the Yankees. We won eight of ten,
1348
01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:41.319
so maybe that lessens it a little bit, which, if anything,
1349
01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:44.399
made it worse because oh, you're actually on track for
1350
01:12:44.439 --> 01:12:47.079
the first time in three years. Now you trade them.
1351
01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:49.680
But their pr senses aren't always exactly right.
1352
01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:52.960
But I think it was just they saw.
1353
01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:56.000
Somebody to take the whole contract, and they jumped at
1354
01:12:56.039 --> 01:12:57.520
the opportunity to offload the money.
1355
01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:01.760
Okay, what is the breakdown of blame? What is the
1356
01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:03.439
percentage in the blame pie game?
1357
01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:03.680
Here?
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01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:08.520
Devers versus the red sox on your airway, I.
1359
01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:11.159
Mean on the airwaves?
1360
01:13:12.079 --> 01:13:15.159
Yeah, Like, what's the temperature? What is the temperature of
1361
01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:15.640
the fans.
1362
01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:20.720
So it's been interesting because there's been a lot of
1363
01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:23.920
people who have been hard on Rafael Devers since the
1364
01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:27.119
spring when he wouldn't be flexible in terms of changing
1365
01:13:27.159 --> 01:13:30.640
his position. This has been a story since February, but
1366
01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:33.600
you have a lot of people today the take is
1367
01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:37.359
kind of yeah, but I don't think what Rafael Devers
1368
01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:41.199
did is right, and he deserves some sort of repercussion
1369
01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:44.640
for the way he acted, But you don't salary then
1370
01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:47.520
the top ten hitter in baseball. Like that's kind of
1371
01:13:47.560 --> 01:13:49.680
the take. There's no way. Well, there's a winner and
1372
01:13:49.760 --> 01:13:54.680
it's the San Francisco Giants. Nobody's doing winner loser Red
1373
01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:59.560
Sox Devers. It's loser loser Red Sox Devers, who screwed
1374
01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:03.119
up work? And I mean, you know how it works, right, Yeah,
1375
01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:06.520
that is a true good point. There is no winner here.
1376
01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:10.039
There is no winner. Both sides loss, both sides look bad.
1377
01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:12.479
I think the Red Sox end up work because Raphiel
1378
01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:14.439
Devers is still getting paid and he's going to go
1379
01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:16.359
to a team where he can contend for a World Series.
1380
01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:18.800
The Red Sox lost the top ten player, and I
1381
01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:20.880
know people will say, oh, well, you know they have
1382
01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:23.479
the money to replace him, but they actually do that,
1383
01:14:23.680 --> 01:14:25.319
and they don't have a great track record of doing
1384
01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:26.479
that over the last decade.
1385
01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:30.039
Speaking with Alex Barth of ninety eighty five the Sports
1386
01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:34.800
Hub in Boston, UH after they play the Miami Marlins.
1387
01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:37.600
Guess who the San Francisco Giants have this weekend? And
1388
01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:40.039
I know you wrote about this for ninety eight five
1389
01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:42.319
the Sports hub dot Com. Isn't that ironic?
1390
01:14:42.479 --> 01:14:42.680
Yep?
1391
01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:47.159
Yeah, that's another thing the pr conscience Red Sox. Some
1392
01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:48.800
people point to that out tod they have waited a
1393
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:49.960
week so they don't play them.
1394
01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:53.880
Now that if you're if you're committed to this, and
1395
01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:56.279
you're right, if they're going to take the what three
1396
01:14:56.359 --> 01:15:00.439
hundred and thirty million dollars, right, so it's three point fifteen, Yeah,
1397
01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:01.199
three thirteen.
1398
01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:03.479
It's a three hundred and thirteen contract. I think the
1399
01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:05.640
Red Sox already paid out like sixteen million of.
1400
01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:06.840
Its something like that. Yeah.
1401
01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:08.880
I mean, if you have a team that's willing to
1402
01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:12.439
do that, you do not care that you're playing him
1403
01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:15.880
again this coming weekend. So what there's a reunion in
1404
01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:19.960
six days that has nothing. I just find that to
1405
01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:23.920
be so typical Red Sox. The drama.
1406
01:15:24.039 --> 01:15:26.920
Well, and I'll tell you this, because this is all
1407
01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:30.119
centered around the fact that Devers refused to play first base.
1408
01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:34.199
Buster Posey or might have been the manager. Somebody from
1409
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:37.039
the Giants today came out and said, yeah, Devers might
1410
01:15:37.279 --> 01:15:39.439
play some first and might play some third with us.
1411
01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:42.239
I think Devs is being introduced to the media tomorrow.
1412
01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:44.880
I'm sure you'll hear him say that he'll do anything
1413
01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:47.039
for the team. He's going to be in that lineup
1414
01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:49.560
against the Red Sox playing first base Friday night. I
1415
01:15:49.640 --> 01:15:51.920
can feel it. And boy, is that going to be
1416
01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:54.479
an egg on your Facebook for the Red Sox who
1417
01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:56.960
who couldn't get him to do with Heurope because of
1418
01:15:56.960 --> 01:15:59.119
the way they handle them, And it's it's going to
1419
01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:01.520
kind of prove the point it was he in a
1420
01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:04.159
bubble being selfish or did the Red Sox between Craig
1421
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:08.039
Breslo and Alex Kora and their disagreements create a bad
1422
01:16:08.119 --> 01:16:09.279
situation that led to this?
1423
01:16:09.520 --> 01:16:13.000
All right, we got about ninety seconds here, Alex bigger story,
1424
01:16:14.119 --> 01:16:19.279
Raphael Devers being traded or Jason Tatum blowing out his achilles.
1425
01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:21.319
I think I know the answer here, but I want
1426
01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:22.000
to get your take.
1427
01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:27.039
It's Devors because there's so much more, like Tatum's out
1428
01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:29.399
for a year. That sucks, but Tatum's out for year
1429
01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:31.279
and then we're gonna need to reset anyway because the
1430
01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:34.039
team just sold and they're up against the luxury tax.
1431
01:16:35.479 --> 01:16:39.159
It changed the direction of the organization. It didn't exactly
1432
01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:42.319
torpedo the organization the way that this devers trade money.
1433
01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:46.960
Oh I like that take, you know, I think it.
1434
01:16:47.279 --> 01:16:50.920
I think the injury itself when it happened shocked a
1435
01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:55.359
lot of Boston fans because I think if if Jason
1436
01:16:55.399 --> 01:17:00.800
Tatum stays healthy, they lose that game, and but they
1437
01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:03.479
that would have put him down. What in the series
1438
01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:04.800
that would have put him down.
1439
01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:06.880
They would have put it down three one. The series
1440
01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:08.640
would have been open. But they won it bitle last
1441
01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:11.119
year like that, Core accomplished its goal.
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01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:15.680
Yeah, but I remember back in two thousand and eight,
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01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:18.279
and you know, they that team should have won a
1444
01:17:18.319 --> 01:17:20.840
lot more. And I get the feeling that we're going
1445
01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:22.960
to look back on the twenty twenty four Celtics and
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01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:25.359
say the same thing. But anyway, it's been a pleasure
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01:17:25.439 --> 01:17:28.319
having you back on, Alex Barth of ninety eight five
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01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:32.079
the Sports Hub. I'm sure Boston scene will always keep
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01:17:32.119 --> 01:17:34.279
you busy. I have no doubt about that.
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01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:37.920
Oh yeah, I can't wait to see it's next.
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01:17:38.159 --> 01:17:40.960
All right, he's Alex Barth. My name is Mike Petralia
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01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:44.279
filling in from Oeggar on the Moegger Radio Show on
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Are you ready for some football?
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We are. This is Dave Lapo and you're listening to
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01:18:32.319 --> 01:18:35.000
the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty.
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01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:43.640
Heading into the final hour of the Moegger Radio Show
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01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:48.000
here on Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. My name is Mike
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01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:51.920
Petralia Trags, as you may know me on social media
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01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:56.079
on the xtr Ags. It is five oh six. The
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phone lines are open five one, three, seven, four nine
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01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:03.439
fifteen thirty five, one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty,
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01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:08.840
get in line and talk all things Bengals, Reds, FC Cincinnati.
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01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:11.319
If you want to talk Club World Cup, I'll take
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01:19:11.359 --> 01:19:14.560
a swing at that. The event that got underway or
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01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:19.479
one of the venues that certainly hosted the beginning of
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01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:22.359
the event this weekend, That would be TQL Stadium, home
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01:19:22.439 --> 01:19:25.520
of the Orange and Blue FC Cincinnati. But right now,
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01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:29.000
I want to talk Bengals and Reds, and I want
1479
01:19:29.039 --> 01:19:32.439
to break out the crystal ball with one Joe Danoman,
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01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:37.000
sports director of the official TV station of the Cincinnati Bengals.
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01:19:37.399 --> 01:19:40.640
Joe Daniman with Fox nineteen. Of course, how you doing, Joe?
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01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:45.720
Hi tracked Happy Father's Day day after Yeah.
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01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:51.079
You and likewise to you, as Marty wished Tracy Jones,
1484
01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:53.640
a happy belated Father's Day to you. I am not
1485
01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:57.600
going to get into their line of conversation, which had
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01:19:57.640 --> 01:20:00.920
to do with snowblowers and leaf blowers. We won't be
1487
01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:03.920
doing that in this part of the Moegger Radio Show.
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01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:06.039
I want to know what's going to happen with the
1489
01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:08.880
stadium lease regarding the Bengals. I want to know what's
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01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:11.239
going to happen with Trey Hendrickson. I want to know
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01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:15.399
when Shamar Stewart is going to get rid of his
1492
01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:17.840
concern or his agent's going to get rid of his
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01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:22.079
concern about terms and conditions on his rookie deal. When
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01:20:22.199 --> 01:20:24.000
is all of this going to happen. Let's start with
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01:20:24.119 --> 01:20:26.880
the stadium lease as you know it right now. And
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01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:32.760
I realize and we as sports reporters, usually stick with sports,
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01:20:32.840 --> 01:20:36.439
but obviously this has to do with the future of
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01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:39.359
the most popular sports team in town right now, the Bengals.
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01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:41.880
What do you know in terms of the latest on
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01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:44.520
the least negotiations.
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01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:48.439
Yeah, not to make myself look foolish, I can speak
1502
01:20:48.439 --> 01:20:51.760
about it in generalities. You know, I'm curious of it
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01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:55.239
as most people are. I'm not in the day to
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01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:58.199
day reporting of it. But there are people I work
1505
01:20:58.279 --> 01:21:01.520
with who are In the conversations I have with them,
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01:21:02.439 --> 01:21:07.319
they seem generally optimistic that it gets done sooner rather
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01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:10.920
than later. And I pose the question to a coworker
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01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:13.960
who's been covering this story for the most part of
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01:21:14.159 --> 01:21:16.119
when it's been hot here in the last few months,
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01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:19.560
and he said, of the three deals that need to
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01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:22.760
get done, that being Shamar Stewart, Trey Hendrickson.
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01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:25.640
And the stadium lease. He believed the stadium lease.
1513
01:21:25.560 --> 01:21:28.520
Was the one closest to the goal line at this point,
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01:21:28.640 --> 01:21:33.199
so he seemed positive speaking in generalities about it, that
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01:21:33.279 --> 01:21:36.199
it's going to get done. It feels like from an
1516
01:21:36.199 --> 01:21:39.640
outsider's perspective, that one side once a longer lease, one
1517
01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:43.760
side once a shorter lease. And if it feels like
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01:21:43.960 --> 01:21:46.159
that is the main sticking point right now, and I
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01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:48.720
can't say for sure that it is, but from an
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01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:51.560
outsider's perspective looking in on it, it feels like that's
1521
01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:54.720
one that can be resolved and that will get done
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01:21:55.479 --> 01:21:57.720
sooner rather than later. I do feel like there's a
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01:21:57.760 --> 01:22:01.239
lot of optimism that that will get done sometime soon.
1524
01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:03.760
I just want to know if I take an elevator
1525
01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:07.079
at pay Corpse Stadium or an escalator that it's safe
1526
01:22:07.159 --> 01:22:12.520
to do so, because obviously Hamilton County Commissioners recently voted
1527
01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:15.000
two to one to replace the six escalators, but they
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01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:18.960
needed the way I understand the story here, all they
1529
01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:21.840
needed a unanimous vote to move forward with the one
1530
01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:25.880
point five million dollar project. But I think again that'll
1531
01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:30.560
get probably folded in if you will, with the lease
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01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:33.760
agreement and all the maintenance issues. But essentially, the reason
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01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:36.880
this matters is and the reason I think that the
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01:22:37.119 --> 01:22:39.840
stadium lease deal is the closest to the goal line
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01:22:40.239 --> 01:22:44.159
is because the deadline is the closest that we're approaching
1536
01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:46.279
right now, and that, of course, it is June thirtieth
1537
01:22:47.199 --> 01:22:51.319
for a two year extension to the current lease, or
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01:22:52.239 --> 01:22:54.359
they could just tear up the lease and write a
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01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:56.800
new one, and that could happen, and all of this
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01:22:57.039 --> 01:23:00.199
is key in terms of the Bengals and Hamilton County
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01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:02.520
moving forward with the eight hundred and thirty million dollar
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01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:07.520
memorandum of understanding on stadium renovations. All right, that's out
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01:23:07.560 --> 01:23:10.920
of the way, Joe, don't worry. We'll stick to sports
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01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:11.520
the rest.
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01:23:11.399 --> 01:23:11.720
Of the way.
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01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:12.399
Is that a deal?
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01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:15.960
Well, it's funny though, because you use the word deadline,
1548
01:23:16.279 --> 01:23:18.880
and that's the important word, because there's a deadline on that,
1549
01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:24.159
and unfortunately, there's not a deadline on Shamar Stewart and
1550
01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:27.079
Trey Hendrickson. And that's where I think this can kind
1551
01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:29.920
of get sticky for the Bengals is what will this
1552
01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:33.319
look like when they get to training camp? Because you
1553
01:23:33.399 --> 01:23:35.920
and I remember what it looked like last summer.
1554
01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:36.920
With Jamar Chase.
1555
01:23:37.479 --> 01:23:39.920
Yeah, and I also remember what it looked like with
1556
01:23:40.039 --> 01:23:43.880
Jesse Bates. And the more I think about this, I think,
1557
01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:45.560
and I don't know if you agree. That's why I'm
1558
01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:48.760
having you on to talk about it, debate it, whatever
1559
01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:52.399
you want to do. This feels more like Jesse Bates,
1560
01:23:52.479 --> 01:23:55.479
where Trey Hendrickson sits in the luxury suite and starts
1561
01:23:55.520 --> 01:24:00.359
tweeting in the middle of a of a preseason game.
1562
01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:02.600
I think it was with the Cardinals. I don't remember,
1563
01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:04.039
maybe it was I thought it.
1564
01:24:04.119 --> 01:24:04.600
You're correct.
1565
01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:06.560
I think it was with the Cardinals a couple of
1566
01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:09.560
years back, in his final year twenty twenty two. And
1567
01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:14.479
it feels like that. But then over the weekend we
1568
01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:17.880
get the story from ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, and I think
1569
01:24:17.920 --> 01:24:21.039
Ben Baby contributed to this as well. Did some reporting
1570
01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:24.600
that the two sides have started up in negotiations. Again, Well,
1571
01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:27.479
I take that as nothing but a good sign, because
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01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:30.399
if things were really far apart, I don't think they
1573
01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:31.800
would be talking at this point.
1574
01:24:33.199 --> 01:24:36.319
Yeah, and it's it's going to be interesting how it
1575
01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:39.359
looks at training camp if this is not resolved, and
1576
01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:41.720
I'm with you, that can only be a good thing
1577
01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:46.279
that they are communicating at this point, because the alternative
1578
01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:50.640
would be quite catastrophic for a team who just doesn't
1579
01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:54.359
want any distractions after what happened last year, and Joe
1580
01:24:54.479 --> 01:24:56.600
talked about it, Zach talked about it last week when
1581
01:24:56.600 --> 01:24:58.560
they both spoke before the Bengals left town for the
1582
01:24:58.600 --> 01:25:02.039
five week break mandatory Mini camp, that yeah, it is
1583
01:25:02.119 --> 01:25:05.079
a distraction. It's something they have to manage, but that's
1584
01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:07.880
part of playing in the NFL. To me, what does
1585
01:25:07.960 --> 01:25:12.439
it look like if Trey isn't signed before training camp?
1586
01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:16.000
I think it's the interesting discussion. Would it be better
1587
01:25:16.159 --> 01:25:19.319
for him and for the Bengals if he's not here
1588
01:25:19.640 --> 01:25:22.760
and he's out of sight, out of mind, so to speak,
1589
01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:25.319
Because you think back to last week at mandatory Mini Camp,
1590
01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:28.479
we show up and he's not there, and then Shamar
1591
01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:30.800
Stewart becomes the story. In a week where Joe Burrow
1592
01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:33.279
talked and talked at length and a week where Trey
1593
01:25:33.359 --> 01:25:36.279
Hendrickson wasn't there, Shamar Stewart stole the headlines, not just
1594
01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:39.640
here locally, but also nationally, and I think part of
1595
01:25:39.680 --> 01:25:42.680
that was because Trey wasn't here. If Tray was here
1596
01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:45.119
and standing on the sidelines, all the cameras are pointed
1597
01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:48.079
at him, and they're all wondering what's going on and
1598
01:25:48.239 --> 01:25:50.479
why is he here? And you think back to last
1599
01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:54.039
summer and I mentioned this briefly, Jamar Chase was here,
1600
01:25:54.079 --> 01:25:57.119
and it felt like every single live report we did
1601
01:25:57.960 --> 01:26:01.039
at training camp started with at lead a fifteen second
1602
01:26:01.079 --> 01:26:03.840
shot of Jamar Chase on the sideline. What's he wearing,
1603
01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:07.359
what's the body language like? Is he talking today? And
1604
01:26:07.439 --> 01:26:09.600
then you would move on to whatever subject was of
1605
01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:12.880
the subject of the day. And I'm curious if Trey
1606
01:26:13.159 --> 01:26:16.159
isn't signed to any kind of extension and decides that
1607
01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:19.640
he does want to skip out on training camp despite
1608
01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:22.479
having the one year left on his contract until he
1609
01:26:22.640 --> 01:26:25.239
gets what he wants, will he decide to be here
1610
01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:28.439
and just show his face and stand on the sideline
1611
01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:30.880
or will he be out of sight, out of mind.
1612
01:26:31.159 --> 01:26:34.279
I think that would be better for the Bengals, but
1613
01:26:34.399 --> 01:26:36.239
also at the same time having the guy in the
1614
01:26:36.319 --> 01:26:38.479
building for whenever it does get done or wherever he
1615
01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:41.439
does decide that it's time to go, that he's ready
1616
01:26:41.479 --> 01:26:43.800
to go. So I see both sides of it. But
1617
01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:45.960
I do think if they get to the point where
1618
01:26:46.359 --> 01:26:49.800
training camp starts and Trey still isn't happy and is
1619
01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:53.960
deciding he doesn't want to participate in training camp until
1620
01:26:54.039 --> 01:26:57.039
he is happy or satisfied with whatever the Bengals put
1621
01:26:57.079 --> 01:26:59.680
in front of him. I think it probably would be
1622
01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:02.199
better for both sides if he's not here. We'll just
1623
01:27:02.279 --> 01:27:04.520
have to see what that looks like if something isn't
1624
01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:06.279
done before July twenty third.
1625
01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:11.920
Do you think that Zach Taylor goes radio silent with
1626
01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:17.399
Trey and vice versa given their very close relationship, Obviously,
1627
01:27:17.840 --> 01:27:20.600
I don't think Zach Taylor wanted to necessarily send that
1628
01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:25.000
text that kind of spurred that impromptu press conference on
1629
01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:27.680
the training camp fields on I think it was May
1630
01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:30.760
thirteenth or May twentieth, I can't remember May thirteenth, I
1631
01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:33.600
think it was, and he just held court for twenty
1632
01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:36.039
five minutes and it was because of that text he
1633
01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:40.000
got from Zach Taylor and the two and he even
1634
01:27:40.119 --> 01:27:43.159
said Trey did that day. We have a great relationship.
1635
01:27:43.279 --> 01:27:47.760
I love Zach, but that text message really got to
1636
01:27:47.840 --> 01:27:50.239
me and really bothered me. I just wonder if the
1637
01:27:50.279 --> 01:27:53.560
two sides have agreed, Hey, look, until this gets resolved,
1638
01:27:53.840 --> 01:27:55.159
we're staying radio silent.
1639
01:27:56.199 --> 01:27:56.399
Yeah.
1640
01:27:56.399 --> 01:27:58.560
I think it's an interesting point you make, Trags, and
1641
01:27:58.720 --> 01:28:01.880
I also think it's Zach Taylor is in a unique
1642
01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:06.399
situation here in Cincinnati. Uh, when you're the head coach,
1643
01:28:07.359 --> 01:28:09.680
it can feel like you're more than just the head coaches.
1644
01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:13.319
I've always had the organization, not not just publicly, but
1645
01:28:13.479 --> 01:28:17.439
sometimes I think internally that might happen where in this case,
1646
01:28:17.560 --> 01:28:20.359
Zach was asked and we don't know and and and
1647
01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:23.800
Zach has when he was asked questions about this, he
1648
01:28:23.880 --> 01:28:26.279
said it was it came from him, he was comfortable
1649
01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:28.840
doing it, and the text message is on him. But
1650
01:28:29.079 --> 01:28:32.479
at the same time, it just doesn't feel like something
1651
01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:38.039
that would fit into Zach oh the way he does business, right.
1652
01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:40.279
I think we both agree on that. But but I
1653
01:28:40.359 --> 01:28:42.920
think he's in the unique spot here with this organization
1654
01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:48.479
where sometimes that is lobbed onto the head coach and
1655
01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:52.000
his role. We saw it with Marvin Lewis. Uh, We've
1656
01:28:52.039 --> 01:28:55.880
seen it now with Zach Taylor a bit. I don't
1657
01:28:56.039 --> 01:28:58.800
know if that's the right plan of action, is for
1658
01:28:58.920 --> 01:29:02.199
the head coach and a star player to go radio
1659
01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:07.039
silent and something like this. It depends on the relationship
1660
01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:09.880
and to your point you made it. You made the
1661
01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:13.119
correct point that that Zach and Trey uh seemed to
1662
01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:15.840
have a very good relationship, and especially from what Trey
1663
01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:19.199
said about Zak, but certainly that text message caught him
1664
01:29:19.279 --> 01:29:22.359
off guard from who it came from and it being
1665
01:29:22.439 --> 01:29:24.720
the head coach. But I think that's more or less
1666
01:29:24.920 --> 01:29:28.880
just a product of the unique situation of Zach Taylor
1667
01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:31.920
in the head coaching spot in Cincinnati, where you have
1668
01:29:32.119 --> 01:29:35.439
to be the voice of the organization for for everything good,
1669
01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:39.359
everything bad, everything controversial, and then sometimes you also have
1670
01:29:39.479 --> 01:29:42.720
to do that internally as well. And I think that's
1671
01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:46.319
the situation that Zach Taylor found himself in with Trey
1672
01:29:46.399 --> 01:29:50.079
Hendrickson and this now infamous text message. I think it's
1673
01:29:50.119 --> 01:29:54.760
obviously repairable. Trey said that the day of this isn't
1674
01:29:54.760 --> 01:29:57.720
anything that's going to I think hurt the relationship long term,
1675
01:29:58.159 --> 01:30:01.720
and we saw it with Jamar. Jamar was a guy
1676
01:30:01.800 --> 01:30:06.039
that was very upset, very angered, very frustrated, and then
1677
01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:09.800
when he was taken care of, he was awfully happy.
1678
01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:11.079
I think most athletes are.
1679
01:30:11.039 --> 01:30:11.720
Going to be that way.
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01:30:11.800 --> 01:30:13.680
So if Trey gets what he wants, I think all
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01:30:13.760 --> 01:30:17.399
things are all fences are mended. So to speak with
1682
01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:20.079
with Zach Taylor, but I don't know. I think it's
1683
01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:24.399
unique to the coach and player situation how they handled
1684
01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:27.600
this next five weeks leading up the training camp, and
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01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:30.880
it feels like Zach and Trey need to have an
1686
01:30:30.920 --> 01:30:32.039
open minded communication.
1687
01:30:32.359 --> 01:30:33.720
And Zak said as much on his.
1688
01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:36.720
Last little press conference before he left for the five
1689
01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:39.680
week break, that they have been in communication with Trey Henderson.
1690
01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:43.880
Speaking with Joe Daniman, the sports director of the official
1691
01:30:44.399 --> 01:30:47.199
flagship TV station of the Cincinnati Bengals, that would be
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01:30:47.319 --> 01:30:51.520
Fox nineteen, I think I know more about default language
1693
01:30:51.640 --> 01:30:55.800
than I ever wanted to know in the NFL rookie contract,
1694
01:30:56.000 --> 01:30:59.399
and still I don't know nearly enough to really sound
1695
01:30:59.479 --> 01:31:03.239
intelligent to tell people what's going to happen with Shamar Stewart,
1696
01:31:03.600 --> 01:31:08.119
the first round pick now represented by Zach Hiller of
1697
01:31:08.600 --> 01:31:13.079
I love the agency. Zach Hiller works for loyalty above all.
1698
01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:17.079
What a great name for a sports agency, What a
1699
01:31:17.159 --> 01:31:20.600
great name. But anyway, Zach Hiller is trying to be
1700
01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:24.039
loyal to his client naturally, and he's trying to protect
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01:31:24.520 --> 01:31:28.640
that rookie client. And I think my only criticism is
1702
01:31:28.720 --> 01:31:33.239
Shamar Stewart coming out and ripping the Bengals publicly on
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01:31:33.359 --> 01:31:37.680
the first day of mandatory mini camp with the veterans around.
1704
01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:40.000
And if I'm a veteran and I know Ted Kerris
1705
01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:42.279
said all the right things on Thursday, I get that
1706
01:31:42.880 --> 01:31:45.960
and that's what makes him a captain. But privately that
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01:31:46.079 --> 01:31:47.560
couldn't have come off very well.
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01:31:49.520 --> 01:31:52.560
This is interesting to me because, and I'm going to
1709
01:31:52.600 --> 01:31:55.960
spin it like this trags because whenever there's a situation
1710
01:31:56.279 --> 01:32:01.159
like this, it feels like most people watching and observing
1711
01:32:01.239 --> 01:32:04.319
it from the outside looking in, as Bengals fans are
1712
01:32:04.359 --> 01:32:08.720
doing now, people tend to naturally pick a side of
1713
01:32:09.079 --> 01:32:12.399
a debate like this, of a dispute like this, and
1714
01:32:12.520 --> 01:32:15.199
it kind of feels like the further we go into it,
1715
01:32:16.000 --> 01:32:19.239
it feels like the pendulum is starting to swing more
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01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:23.840
towards people being on the Bengal side. I would say
1717
01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:26.039
a week ago it kind of felt split. I would
1718
01:32:26.079 --> 01:32:28.399
say before that, it felt like, what are the Bengals
1719
01:32:28.479 --> 01:32:33.279
doing to drag this along and make this more difficult
1720
01:32:33.359 --> 01:32:35.479
than it needs to be. But I feel like after
1721
01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:40.520
Shamar Stewart spoke and spoke very boldly for a rookie
1722
01:32:40.760 --> 01:32:43.399
who has never played it down much less a practice
1723
01:32:43.439 --> 01:32:47.439
play here in Cincinnati and then left before the end
1724
01:32:47.520 --> 01:32:51.399
of mandatory mini camp. So what he's done is unique,
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01:32:51.479 --> 01:32:54.880
it's bold, and I think it's starting to swing the
1726
01:32:54.960 --> 01:32:58.520
pendulum for people who are interested in this story. Back
1727
01:32:58.640 --> 01:33:01.960
on the Bengal side, I think for me, this is
1728
01:33:02.039 --> 01:33:05.760
one of those things that I think in about a month,
1729
01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:08.439
when this thing is finally put to bed, and I
1730
01:33:08.520 --> 01:33:12.560
do think it'll be put to bed before training, I
1731
01:33:12.600 --> 01:33:14.359
think people will look back on it and say, Okay,
1732
01:33:14.479 --> 01:33:17.000
move on, forget it. Who cares it's over? But I
1733
01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:19.239
think the bigger picture then will be for a guy
1734
01:33:19.319 --> 01:33:22.479
who's trying to separate himself. We can all be in
1735
01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:25.239
agreement that if Trey Henderson is a Bengal and we
1736
01:33:25.279 --> 01:33:28.000
anticipate he'll be a Bengal in twenty twenty five.
1737
01:33:27.880 --> 01:33:31.000
We anticipate he'll be on the field. He's this team's number.
1738
01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:35.720
One defensive end by a mile. You have three other guys, okay,
1739
01:33:36.039 --> 01:33:41.920
the Miles Murphy, Joseph Osai, Shamar Stewart, Cam Lamb players
1740
01:33:42.159 --> 01:33:44.399
and Cam Samples. Good point, Yes, Cam Sample's in there
1741
01:33:44.439 --> 01:33:46.560
as well. How do you separate from those three of
1742
01:33:46.640 --> 01:33:48.960
those four? Okay, if you put those four in a bucket?
1743
01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:51.560
How are you separating those guys? And look, there is
1744
01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:55.239
a new defensive line coach here, and we've seen Miles
1745
01:33:55.359 --> 01:33:57.840
Murphy work with him. We've seen Joseph Osai work with him.
1746
01:33:58.079 --> 01:34:01.199
We've heard those guys talk about Jerry Montgomery, the new
1747
01:34:01.279 --> 01:34:05.479
defensive line coach, the attention to detail, him being zeroed
1748
01:34:05.520 --> 01:34:08.880
in on technique, and Shamar Stewart has got none of
1749
01:34:08.920 --> 01:34:12.760
this and we all get it, right, Are we fully
1750
01:34:12.840 --> 01:34:16.520
expecting him to be an impact player, a five to
1751
01:34:16.640 --> 01:34:18.800
seven SAT guy in year one with the Bengals?
1752
01:34:18.840 --> 01:34:19.399
Maybe we are.
1753
01:34:19.840 --> 01:34:22.359
And that's what the Bengals need. They need impact players
1754
01:34:22.880 --> 01:34:26.119
defensively right away for this team. They're on the cusp
1755
01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:28.520
of going right back to the playoffs. And when you
1756
01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:30.760
get into the playoffs and you have Burrow and Chase
1757
01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:34.680
and Higgins, you've got a shot against anybody. But they
1758
01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:38.479
have to have this defense better. And Shamar Stewart, by
1759
01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:41.319
what's going on with him right now, whether it's his fault,
1760
01:34:41.359 --> 01:34:43.880
whether it's the Bengals fault, he's in this grouping of
1761
01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:47.800
four other guys trying to separate himself from the pack,
1762
01:34:48.079 --> 01:34:51.279
and the fact that he's gotten no work in the offseason,
1763
01:34:51.720 --> 01:34:57.159
rookie camp, offseason workouts, mandatory mini camp. If he gets
1764
01:34:57.199 --> 01:34:59.520
this thing done before training camp, the first time he'll
1765
01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:01.439
put on him Bengals helmet and go out there and
1766
01:35:01.560 --> 01:35:04.880
do actual football work in Cincinnati is training camp. It
1767
01:35:04.960 --> 01:35:06.399
feels like he's behind.
1768
01:35:06.840 --> 01:35:07.760
And that's my point.
1769
01:35:08.439 --> 01:35:10.279
That's gonna be the big point of this. I think
1770
01:35:10.319 --> 01:35:12.960
it'll get done. It'll be much ado about nothing once
1771
01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:13.399
it's over.
1772
01:35:13.560 --> 01:35:13.760
Yet.
1773
01:35:13.840 --> 01:35:15.319
Okay, that happened, It was annoying.
1774
01:35:15.399 --> 01:35:16.119
It's taken care of.
1775
01:35:16.560 --> 01:35:18.560
But here's a guy now that's missed out on so
1776
01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:22.760
many reps to try to separate himself from guys who
1777
01:35:22.840 --> 01:35:25.199
have been in the league for multiple years. And I
1778
01:35:25.319 --> 01:35:28.560
think that's going to hurt him whenever he gets this done.
1779
01:35:28.880 --> 01:35:31.319
If he wants to be an impact player in year one.
1780
01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:33.920
You know why, I think, Joe Daniman, the Bengals are
1781
01:35:33.960 --> 01:35:36.560
going to start ten to zero this year. You want it?
1782
01:35:36.640 --> 01:35:37.720
You want one reason why?
1783
01:35:38.640 --> 01:35:39.640
Oh, I'd love to hear this.
1784
01:35:40.279 --> 01:35:43.279
Because they moved their training camp practices from the heat
1785
01:35:43.359 --> 01:35:47.600
of the afternoon to eight ten am to noon every
1786
01:35:47.720 --> 01:35:51.680
single day. I love the idea, and I'm selfish because
1787
01:35:51.840 --> 01:35:53.920
I'm going to be out of there a lot sooner
1788
01:35:54.359 --> 01:35:57.520
than I would have been had they kept the practices
1789
01:35:57.600 --> 01:36:00.880
in the afternoon. Seriously, though, I think it's a good idea.
1790
01:36:01.520 --> 01:36:05.079
I do think the retention of information, both from a
1791
01:36:05.119 --> 01:36:07.920
physical and a mental standpoint, is much better in the morning.
1792
01:36:08.359 --> 01:36:11.600
And I've seen other teams with great success. You know,
1793
01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:14.399
the one team I'm thinking of right now, they always
1794
01:36:14.439 --> 01:36:17.159
did their practices in the morning and then they went
1795
01:36:17.239 --> 01:36:20.720
over tape later in the afternoon, but they were able
1796
01:36:20.760 --> 01:36:23.640
to give their full force, their full effort in the morning.
1797
01:36:23.960 --> 01:36:26.640
I think it's a terrific idea. What do you think?
1798
01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:28.119
Yeah?
1799
01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:31.640
I spoke to Joseph Asai about this minutes before he
1800
01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:36.000
left for the five week break, and we spoke about
1801
01:36:36.039 --> 01:36:38.840
the idea of everything Zach Taylor and his coaching staff
1802
01:36:38.960 --> 01:36:41.840
is trying to do to get this team off to
1803
01:36:41.920 --> 01:36:44.520
a better start, and whatever it is, it's just do
1804
01:36:44.760 --> 01:36:47.920
things different right. And the big debate during training camp
1805
01:36:48.039 --> 01:36:50.520
is going to be about the preseason and how many
1806
01:36:50.600 --> 01:36:53.359
snaps should the big three play or the starters play
1807
01:36:53.800 --> 01:36:58.079
in the preseason, the risk reward of speeding Joe Burrow
1808
01:36:58.199 --> 01:37:00.079
up and helping him get to the point where he
1809
01:37:00.199 --> 01:37:03.079
feels more comfortable playing better football, and we won. We
1810
01:37:03.199 --> 01:37:05.760
can save that debate for training camp.
1811
01:37:06.439 --> 01:37:07.840
But what they've done as far.
1812
01:37:07.760 --> 01:37:09.560
As changing training camp, I think goes back to the
1813
01:37:09.640 --> 01:37:12.600
point you made. Joseph Osai said it the same as
1814
01:37:12.680 --> 01:37:15.439
you just said. It's the fact that they would get
1815
01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:19.000
into the afternoon and they would be mentally He didn't
1816
01:37:19.079 --> 01:37:22.199
use the word exhausted. He said mentally tired. That they've
1817
01:37:22.279 --> 01:37:25.359
been there all day long and going over everything they've
1818
01:37:25.399 --> 01:37:28.079
gone over, and then they unleash these guys out on
1819
01:37:28.159 --> 01:37:30.079
the field and expect them to be at their best.
1820
01:37:30.119 --> 01:37:32.439
And you know that this could be splitting hairs of
1821
01:37:32.479 --> 01:37:35.760
guys trying to find excuses for reasons why this might work.
1822
01:37:36.239 --> 01:37:39.359
But his point was, listen, it wasn't working what we
1823
01:37:39.520 --> 01:37:42.199
were doing, so might as well try something different. He
1824
01:37:42.279 --> 01:37:44.199
does believe guys when they get there in the morning
1825
01:37:44.439 --> 01:37:46.560
and they practice in the morning, they will be fresher.
1826
01:37:46.800 --> 01:37:48.960
Plus they're not working in the heat of the day,
1827
01:37:49.399 --> 01:37:52.560
and I think that's important too for the guys to maintain.
1828
01:37:52.880 --> 01:37:54.640
And Zak has always talked about this, right.
1829
01:37:54.720 --> 01:37:56.880
He always has an eye on the big picture at
1830
01:37:56.920 --> 01:37:59.000
the end of the year of guys being as fresh
1831
01:37:59.039 --> 01:38:02.359
as they can be in November, December, January, when the
1832
01:38:02.399 --> 01:38:07.079
games matter most. That maybe, guys, it's the smallest, the smallest,
1833
01:38:07.159 --> 01:38:09.399
right you're trying to win in the margins here. Then
1834
01:38:09.439 --> 01:38:12.000
maybe if guys are a little bit more fresh days
1835
01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:15.520
on training camp, get good work, get better work, that
1836
01:38:15.720 --> 01:38:18.600
this will lead to them throughout the year trying to
1837
01:38:18.760 --> 01:38:22.920
maintain whatever small percentage point difference they can of keeping
1838
01:38:22.960 --> 01:38:27.119
their team fresh, healthy, better sharp when they play December
1839
01:38:27.199 --> 01:38:27.680
and January.
1840
01:38:28.039 --> 01:38:30.239
I know you've got to run now, Joe, to get
1841
01:38:30.319 --> 01:38:33.319
ready for your newscast. I've got to run to take
1842
01:38:33.359 --> 01:38:35.319
a break for the bottom of the hour, Joe Daniman.
1843
01:38:35.560 --> 01:38:39.239
I really appreciate you taking time sports director for Fox
1844
01:38:39.359 --> 01:38:40.560
nineteen here in Cincinnati.
1845
01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:43.760
Take care, Joe, anytime track talk to you soon.
1846
01:38:43.920 --> 01:38:46.560
You bet all right. My name is Mike Petrolia. Coming
1847
01:38:46.640 --> 01:38:49.199
up at the bottom of the hour. After the bottom
1848
01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:52.000
of the hour, we'll talk more Bengals. For now. You're
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all are having a wonderful Monday after Father's Day that
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would be June sixteenth, twenty twenty five. We are wrapping
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up the final segment here heading into the final thirty
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We'll be talking a lot of Bengals in the final
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half hour. Hearing from Al Golden last week, I want
1869
01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:14.640
to kind of break down what Al Golden said because
1870
01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:17.800
I think there is a lot to be interpreted in
1871
01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:22.880
his comments in his final press conference before heading out
1872
01:40:22.920 --> 01:40:25.359
on the five week break. He gave that on Wednesday.
1873
01:40:25.479 --> 01:40:30.479
Zach Taylor gave his final news conference on Thursday morning.
1874
01:40:30.840 --> 01:40:33.439
But what Al Golden had to say, I thought was
1875
01:40:33.479 --> 01:40:36.439
pretty fascinating and kind of gave us a window into
1876
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what he is going to do to approach the Bengals
1877
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defense differently in twenty twenty five as opposed to lou
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Ana Rumo for the last six years here in Cincinnati.
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So we'll get to that, hopefully get to your calls
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five to one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. The
1881
01:40:54.479 --> 01:40:58.039
phone lines are wide open. What will make the Bengals
1882
01:40:58.119 --> 01:41:02.359
more successful this year just be playing better? Or will
1883
01:41:02.439 --> 01:41:05.279
some of the adjustments that Zach Taylor is making. We
1884
01:41:05.479 --> 01:41:09.199
just talked about it with Fox nineteen's Joe Danoman. Moving
1885
01:41:09.479 --> 01:41:13.920
more a training camp practice from the afternoon to the morning,
1886
01:41:14.279 --> 01:41:17.880
maybe the players retain some of the information better, Maybe
1887
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they're fresher, they execute better. Maybe that's a big deal,
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maybe it isn't. But what will make the difference to
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you for the Bengals to not only get off to
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01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:30.279
a better start, but to play more consistently throughout the
1891
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course of the regular season. Five one three, seven, four, nine,
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fifteen point thirty will also go over the latest Reds
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news look ahead to their series opener with the Minnesota
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Twins tomorrow night seven ten at Great American Ballpark, a
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three game set, and they head back out onto the
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road for three in Saint Louis before a big three
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game set against the New York Yankees at Great American
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Ballpark one week from tonight. All that and more in
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Heading into the home stretch of the Moagger Radio Show
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for a Monday June sixteenth, twenty twenty five here on
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Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. My name is Mike Petrelli. I
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want to thank you for giving this show a listen,
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giving me a chance to come into your home, come
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into your car, come into your office, wherever you might
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be listening right now. I would like to thank you
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very much for giving us a listen, giving me a
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listen for the last couple of hours. We have a
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lot to get to in the final couple of minutes
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that we have together here. The phone lines are open
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if you want to talk. Bengals five one three seven
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four nine, fifteen thirty. Five one three seven four nine
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fifteen thirty. I think one of the biggest hires that
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the Bengals could have made this offseason was bringing in
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Al Golden, not necessarily because of what he did at
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Notre Dame, which was impressive. But the attitude that he
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is going to bring and the different approach he is
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going to force not only other coaches, not only himself
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to look at the defense. He's going to force the
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players to look at themselves, at their roles in his
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defense much differently. He used a word last week, and
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I think we're going to hear it in the comments
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from Al Golden in just a few moments. A term
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that I love, the tyranny of comfort. What does that mean?
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It simply means when somebody becomes comfortable at their job,
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they're tied to wanting to stay in that comfort zone,
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the tyranny of comfort. He wants the Bengals to get
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out of that tyranny of comfort. He wants the coaches
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to get out of it. He wants the players to
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get out of it. He wants the expectations of the
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fans to get out of that comfort level of Hey,
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we're a good team, Maybe we make a run in
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the playoffs, maybe not. He wants everybody to be on
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board with raising the level of expectation from day one,
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and he want he wants his players to be able
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to play from an uncomfortable position, meaning that not everything
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is going to go your way in these NFL games.
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Something breaks down, some coverage, somebody blows the coverage in
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the secondary. Somebody's got to be there to say, oh,
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I see the blown coverage. I need to help my
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teammate and get back. And instead of the game being
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forty yards downfield, maybe it's twenty, maybe it's twenty five.
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Saving those twenty eight to twenty five yards can be
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the difference in winning and losing. And the Bengals obviously
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saw that last year and the number of one score
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games that they lost early on in the season. It's
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a big reason they started the season four zero to
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three and four and eight. So I think the way
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Al Golden looks at this season is very fascinating. He's
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got the right attitude. Nobody has worked harder, and Zach
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Taylor told us that last year, nobody has worked harder
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at trying to make the transition from the longest college
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football season any team's ever had, Notre Dame two trying
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to get ready for the NFL Draft in very very
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short order when he was hired in late January early February.
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So let's hear from what Al Golden had to say,
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last week last Wednesday at Bengals mini camp.
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Al, have you gotten in a lot of what you
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wanted to get in before rot started?
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As it's done the way you've wanted it to go
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for most part. Yeah.
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Just the guys have exceeded expectations in terms of their
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preparation and the staff has done a great job delivering
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the message and getting it taught. So just goal line
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and end the game stuff is all that's left for
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training camp. So that's a pretty remarkable job by everybody.
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And I love the attitude of the players to attack
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that the way they did.
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With Schamar, obviously he's been in meetings and Zach's talked
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about as a tenant miss How is it with him
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not being able to take physical rips that will maybe
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his development? Yeah?
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Again, you know that's not really our concern.
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Our concerns teaching him, making sure he's learning, he's engaged,
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he's on time, He's had a great attitude in the meetings.
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That's all we can control right now. I think it's
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a lesson for him in the NFL to control what
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you can control. And from our standpoint, he's done a
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good job in terms of the learning. We're as excited
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as anybody. Get him out there. That's the only way,
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you know. Again, it's I've been around long enough to
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know these things. Sometimes they take some time, or they're
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more complicated than they are on the on the on
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their face, and we're hopeful to get this resolved in
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the next five six weeks and get him out there and.
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Really looking forward. I love the young man.
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He's had a great attitude, He learns really well, he's attentive,
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he asked good questions. So from that standpoint, he's he's
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doing everything we're asking.
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And a trade it's a little bit of a different
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situation because he's had so many years in the league
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that he might not need as much practice.
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But from the standpoint of what you're trying to implement
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that might be new from a past rushing standpoint, how
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much are they missing.
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Out on not being able to be on the practice
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skill And.
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Speaking on those two, yeah, you know, I think there
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are two different cases. Obviously, Trey brings a you know,
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a developed skill set already to the past game. In
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a lot of ways, we have to cultivate the defense
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around that, and we will. I'm confident and obviously in
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Trey's intellect, his approach as a pro that he'll get
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caught up, you know, in those forty seven days before
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before the opener.
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So you know, I'm confident of that. So just looking
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forward to seeing them again and coaching them.
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How much is affected by the defensive line right now
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between Tray Schamar and PJ not.
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Practicing right now?
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How much does that affect that you guys are.
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Trying to get It affects us in a positive way,
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as ironic as that is, because you're already preparing for
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that injury when it when it exposes itself during the year,
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you're forced guys into playing multiple positions you know what
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we call you know, basically just horizontal depth, you know,
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ends playing tackle, tackles playing end, some linebackers playing on
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the edge, those types of things. So I think from
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that standpoint, we always see the we always see the
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good in it and the opportunity. Uh And I'm being
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serious on that. Some guys have really taken advantage of
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their reps and their opportunity, and obviously I think it
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will be more formidable when those guys come back.
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You said, some guys have really taken advantage.
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Who listened?
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Well, man, Joseph or Size had a great camp camp
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sample coming off the Achilles has has overachieved to this
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point only because I didn't expect that type of athleticism
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to spring back as quickly, so that that's been great.
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I think Chris Jenkins has really done a great job.
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He's had an awesome attitude all camp and I'm sure
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I'm leaving some guys out, but at the end of
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the day, Cedric Johnson's another one that that has really
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seized that opportunity. So you know, from that standpoint, we're
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just we're all pros here, We're all trying to get
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to the end game. And from that standpoint, we're coaching
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the guys that are here. We miss the guys that
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aren't here, but we have to move forward. And that's
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in a lot of ways, that's kind of emblematic of
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what happens during the year. So guys are gonna have
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to step up. You're doing some things different I'm sorry, Well,
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obviously you're doing.
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Some things differently.
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What indicates to you both in the film room, classroom
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and on the field that they're picking up the different
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things you're trying to do. Yeah, I think the details
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the communication again I'm not looking for it to be
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perfect right now, because it's it's really been a heavy
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lift in terms of having an install. Every day in
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training camp will have an install and then maybe two
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days in between or some walkthroughs at night or the
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walkthrough proceeede the install. So I'm not worried so much
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about it being perfect, but I am excited about a
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the communication and then be that I don't see the
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same mistake twice, which are awesome, and that's credit to
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the coaches as well.
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And that is Al Golden, the new defensive coordinator of
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the Cincinnati Bengals. I asked him there as you heard
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my question, you know, in terms of what he's been
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able to see in terms of the install, and he said,
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the attention to detail is really has been very good,
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not only on the field, but in the film room
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as well, and I think that's a foundation that he
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is obviously looking to build. A couple of other key
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takeaways is that he loves what he sees from Schamar
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Stewart in the film room, in the classroom. Obviously he's
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not getting the reps does fall a little bit behind there,
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there's no getting away from that. But in terms of
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his attitude. He says all the right things that Shamar
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Stuart's attitude has been terrific in terms of the opportunity
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for others to step up and maybe fill some roles
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that may not be there or may be more available
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there in training camp because Trey Hendrickson may not be
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ready to go. Chamar Stuart right away may not be
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ready to go. He's really liked what he has seen
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from guys like Joseph Osi and Cam Sample coming off
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that ruptured achilles. He is athletically overachieved. I thought that
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was pretty fascinating as well. So it'll be an interesting
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time for the Bengals over the next five weeks. They're
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going to get their rest, but obviously a lot of
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fans are going to be wondering what kind of attitude
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are they going to take into training camp, How will
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this training camp be any different, How will this preseason
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be any different and different? What changes will be made
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to make sure that the Bengals don't start slow again again.
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Defense will be a big part of it, because defense
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at the beginning of last year really let them down.
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All Right, my name is Mike PETRELLI. I want to
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thank all the terrific guests that we had on this program,
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starting at the three o'clock hour with Pat Brennan of
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the Cincinnati Inquirer. He was to refic I always love
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talking to him, Tommy thraw all the Reds Radio Network,
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Alex Frank of Clnssincy dot com, Alex Barth of the
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Sports Hub in Boston, and of course Joe Daniman of
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Fox nineteen. My name is Mike Petralia. Thanks so much
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for tuning in. You've been listening to the Moager Radio
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