Spooky Season - A Midday Paranormal Hodgepodge

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You're listening to Everything Out There with your host, Steve Stockton.
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Hello, friends. Hello, hello, everybody, and welcome back, Everything Out There.
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I'm your host, Steve Stockton, here on the Clyde Lewis
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Ground Zero Radio Network. Joining me tonight, we have a
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couple of paranormalists, a frequent visitor, Cisco Murdoch, And coming
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back for the second time, or no, actually, this is,
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I think, her third time, Lynn Monet. Lynn, is this
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your second or third time here? I forget.
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Third time, maybe even fourth time. I think it is
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the third time. Yeah.
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It's been a few. Cisco's been here like half a dozen, so.
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But anyway, I thought I'd have these ladies in tonight.
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They're both paranormalists, and we'll just have a paranormal potpourri
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and talk about whatever strange things are on our mind.
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We're into August now, so spooky season is coming up.
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Nicole's already got the house decorated here. What's going on
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in your worlds, paranormal-wise, ladies?
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Go ahead.
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Oh, I was going to have you go first, Cisco.
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I just came back from the bash. Actually, it was
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my first time to Pennsylvania. It was my first time
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to the Gettysburg bash. And it was really a great time.
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Between the two hotels, they had everything connected. And there
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were all kinds of things in both lobbies. So if
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ever you do get to go, make sure that you
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go into both hotels because they have different things going on.
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In both, as well as the conference room and all
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that area back around there, but definitely don't miss out
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on a bus tour I meant to take one I'm
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going to take one next year when I go but
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it was wonderful meeting so many people of like mind
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and Pam did an amazing job. with the, uh, the
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Gettysburg bash. I was fortunate enough to get to stay
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in an Airbnb with, um, two other couples, um, that
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were friends. And, uh, so it was nice, you know, having, we,
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we all went to dinner together and stuff like that. And, um,
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you know, so it, it was, it was nice. We
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actually had dinner with the, uh, the new paranormal group.
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It's called para at a para a normal. Um, they're
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just filming now their first season. So we, we got
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pictures and stuff taken with them and, Of course, Batman
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was there and that Michael guy with the white thing.
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But it was a great time, and I really enjoyed it.
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So that's one of the things that I did. I
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do have some things coming up. I did hear to
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hit a deer on the way home and kind of
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messed up my car. I've got plans to go to
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Virginia for two paranormal events that are weekends apart. And
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to do both of those as well is I'm going
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to be on some shows coming up, some podcasts coming up.
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And my Gaia show is out with George Norrie on
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Beyond Belief. It was released a couple of months ago.
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So it's just been real busy.
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A lot of stuff going on there. What about you, Cisco?
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Did you get to go to the bash this year?
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I haven't done a damn thing, Steve.
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She was moving.
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I'm just, yeah. I mean, we do this every day,
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you know, it's, it's, it. it's amazing to be in this.
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There's always something we talk about it when, you know,
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we all get together on show. Steve's been on my show.
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I've been on Lynn's show. Lynn's been on my shows. Lynn, Steve,
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and I have all been on each other. It's just,
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it's a comfortable situation because we don't have to do
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any preliminaries ahead of time. We all know what each
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other about where each other are in the, if you
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can call it an understanding, a comfortable spot, I think,
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where we sit in the paranormal. And every once in
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a while, we'll bump into somebody that comes way out
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of left field and you know, tells you, you know,
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ghosts are all made out of green jello or something.
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And you got to like, okay, because that's where they are.
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You know, there's no, I don't think there's any wrong
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place to be in this, but there is definitely a
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comfort with being able to sit with people who just
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are open-minded about, you know, they don't argue about somebody's experience.
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You know, they don't, you know, are you sure, you know,
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it had red eyes? Are you sure they weren't blue?
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Because mine had blue and yours can't have red because,
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you know, that makes it... all of that stuff is
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just gone. And I think that that's one of the
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things that happens too, when you go to a paranormal
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convention or anything like that, UFO, Bigfoot, you know, there's
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thousands of different names you could combinations, but that's the thing.
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I think what we also need to do is maybe
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at these conferences, just set out everybody in a big,
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you know, room where everybody can talk. Nobody's more important
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than anybody else. And, and, You know, stand up and say, hey,
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what's the most amazing thing that you've ever, you know, experienced?
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Was it, you know, it might not have been an
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experience for yourself, but did you read a true account
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of an experience that just really set, you know, you
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in a different spot? And what was it and why?
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You know, because everybody is always running around those things
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and everybody at the different tables, each team or person
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or experiencer or whatever it may be. they have that
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one piece or that, you know, a couple of pieces
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of information and it's, and it really seems to be,
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we just can't melt together somehow and get, okay, this
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is where we are now. Steve and I try to
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do this all the time on Mondays where we'll go
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back to like the sixties and say, well, they had
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the same, they're talking the same conversation then as we're
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having now. And what have we done with 50 years?
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You know what I mean? But it's, it doesn't really
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matter that we're not falling on any, specific concrete answers.
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It's more of comfort zones, I think. And it's really
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nice to be in a comfort zone, a paranormal zone,
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I guess, comfort zone with people where you can just
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talk about it and they understand what you're saying and
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they're not, You're not worried about, oh gosh, you know,
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the last time I told this story, I forgot to
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mention the green sweater. And because I didn't mention the
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green sweater this time, they're going to think I made
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it up. You know, it shouldn't be like that.
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We all know what we saw and what we experienced
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and what we heard. And we all know that each
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other knows that. So we don't have anything to prove
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to one another. None of us are skeptics. We're all
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believers and have had our own experiences. We're experiencers and
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paranormalists and It's just it's nice to just chat with
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like minded people.
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Yeah, it absolutely is. And, you know, the thing is, too, is,
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you know, for people that are going to be listening in,
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this is not the 101 class. This is the advanced class.
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So and it's nice to have that because we can
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talk openly about these things. Something I did want to
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mention is a side note. Um, tonight is the lion's gate.
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It is the opening for manifestation and it is a
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lion's gate on steroids because it's mixed in with a
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new moon. So anybody out there that, and it does
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kind of overshadow for a few days, I think until
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August 10th or something like that. Um, uh, but like
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today is the biggest day. So please people, if you
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are not familiar with the lion's gate, Google it, um,
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find out how to manifest your, your dreams, um, And, um,
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definitely do that today. Um, and, and put it out there.
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So I just wanted to share that with everybody.
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Yeah. I appreciate that. I've been reading up on that
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a little bit. A lot of people are talking about
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it and I've been watching the moon signs, uh, because
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of the coming baby. Now he's, uh, four weeks and
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five days, I think from today, but, uh, I think
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he's going to be here a little earlier. You got
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that blue moon, the sturgeon moon coming on the 19th.
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Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't show up in that week, but, uh,
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Remains to be seen.
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I got goosebumps on that. Yeah. Yeah.
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That's a little man. Little man's coming. Only four weeks.
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Where did the time go?
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I'm telling you, we found out New Year's Day that
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we were expecting and just we're thinking, wow, 40 weeks.
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That's a long time. But here it is, like four
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and a couple of days. And it's just it's it's
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flown by.
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Tell you what, it goes a lot faster after they
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get here, too.
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That is so true. So is Nicole wearing your shoes, Steve?
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Is she what?
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Is she wearing your shoes with her pregnancy feet? You know,
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your feet get real bad. I used to have to
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wear my husband's shoes.
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She probably wouldn't want to wear my shoes, but she
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had to get some different, more comfortable shoes and socks, too.
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She likes those little low-profile socks, but she did have
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to borrow some of my socks.
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There you go. That's standard. But yeah, you know, you
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guys are so, to me, I'm in awe of both
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of you. You're very, you're amazing. You're good people. And
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you've had so much, even more experience, much longer than
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even I have had in the field. And I just, I'm,
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you know, I just love hearing, you know, some of
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your stories and things like that, that you share.
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And, you know, Cisco and I figured out that between
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the both of us, We've got over 100 years experience
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in this, and that's no bullshit. That's the truth. I
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started experiencing when I was in the single digits, and
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Cisco did too. I'll be 61 this year. So there
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you go. That's probably closer to, what, 150? 50 or
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no not that but 110 years or something like that.
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But a little closer yeah that's true people always get
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it's not that i'm sorry honey i just want to
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say this too people always try to get us all
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the time how the hell can you remember something from
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when you're two or three and i'm like look i
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bet you you remember flashes too now if you have.
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Those defining moments like that.
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Defining moment it's profound like you remember when you know mine,
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I think I remember it the most because there were
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so many teenage girls screaming around me, you know, and
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my mom is the whole house was filled with, you know,
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my sisters were all teens at the time and there's
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just a lot of emotion. And of course it's not a,
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sometimes I remember not complete, like a flowing, complete, um,
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video playing out from beginning to end, sometimes it's, it's
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more like, like a flat, like flashes, like almost like
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watching an old, uh, an old V VHS tape or something.
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That's got a couple of glitches in it, you know?
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And I, Steve and I talked about this, uh, when
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we first got together, trying to tell these stories without
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filling in the gaps, uh, because you try to fight
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yourself when you're okay well you know how did i
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get from the bedroom to the living room you know
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i'm just making that part up but you know so
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you assume it and and you know well somebody i
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must have walked or somebody carried me or whatever and
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you fill that gap in and after a while i
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think that that can start manifesting as it really happens
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so You know, that's the main thing is like when
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I was telling Steve the first time about my story,
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I'm like, I don't remember exactly what happened here. But
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I remember at that time I was up higher and
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I was looking over my, you know, my sister's shoulder
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or whatever. And I saw my sister sitting on the
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couch and said this, you know. But, you know, when
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you tell a story like that, you try very hard
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to be honest and say, you know, I don't remember
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how I got from there to there. I just wound
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up there and then this was what happened. But when
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you're being honest like that, people are like, well, I
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don't know. So you can't win either way.
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I've told stuff. And then I have, especially like we said,
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with those defining moments, I have almost total recall. I
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have a near photographic memory and have ever since childhood.
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I can tell you every single thing about it the
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way I remember it. And I've had people say, oh,
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you got to be lying because nobody remembers that much detail.
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I do. I was there. I know what I saw.
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You know, because we're, you know, speaking of people always say, well,
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you're just trying to sell your book. Let me tell you, people,
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you know, we each one of us has great books
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out there. You know, Lynn has several and Steve has
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a bunch and I've got one with Steve. And it's,
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you're not doing it for that. I mean, the amount
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of time when you're writing a book and you're putting
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down your experiences that really happened to you, you're trying
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to be, like I said, very careful in your wording
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and you're trying to be expressive and you're trying to
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be descriptive so the reader can be there, you know.
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also going through the emotion of it all. And you're
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trying to, to be clear and without, sometimes people, well,
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what do you think you saw? Well, I'll give you
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all the things I thought, you know, you pick because
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I don't know. This is what I saw. And as I,
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an experience like that at a young age, um, and,
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you talk to somebody decades later about it and then
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see it all new through their eyes and get new
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ideas steve and i have done that a lot of
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times and i think that's where most of our.
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Learning is when there was somebody there with me and
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they don't remember much of all about it i've had
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that happen like with my nephew he was granted four
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years younger than me but we had some experiences and
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i remembered in great detail and i'll tell it and
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tell it tell and he's like I don't remember that,
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but I mean, I obviously do. I'm not just making
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shit up, you know, that it's aggravating that people don't
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have the same brain and memory that you do when you,
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especially when you're telling the story.
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Yep. With my brother the same, he doesn't remember any
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of it. Not any.
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They just don't want to remember a lot. It wasn't
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as important to them as it was to me, obviously.
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But again, I went to high school with people for
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four years and run into them later in life. And like, no,
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I don't remember. Yeah. We were in the same class together.
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We were in Ms. Bradford's English class. I sat on the,
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I don't remember you dude, but oh, well, I was
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kind of, yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. And I think there is some, some there, I mean,
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it's a known fact. I'm sure that, you know, we
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block trauma. You know, it, it, It may very well be,
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this is going to sound silly as all get out,
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but you know how dogs will have, they have like,
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I don't know how many smells, like 400 and something.
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put that there as a placeholder. And they can only
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hold the memory of that amount of sense. And once
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a new one comes in, one's got to go. So
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I'm wondering if people are like that. They have so
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much RAM in their head. So they get rid of
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the memories they don't really want to keep and hold
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on to the ones they do. And I think that
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that doesn't make any medical or scientific sense the way
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I said it, but I think it makes a human sense.
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I think it does.
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And, you know, it's like, like that goldfish in a bowl,
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you know, by the time they swam around, they forgot
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everything they saw and then it's all new again. And
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I think there are people that have that goldfish attention span.
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Well, you know, and speaking of years of experience in
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this room right now, we have 160 years of experience
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because I remember vivid stories when I was five and
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remembered seeing, because we lived three short blocks behind a hospital,
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seeing people, spirits in patient gowns walking through. And it
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was commonplace for us. I mean, it was like, there's
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the toaster, there's the door, there's a ghost. And so
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we didn't learn to be afraid of them. A lot
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of people too, I think like what you both were
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saying as well, is that sometimes people, it's kind of
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a selective thing and they tune some of it out
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because in the generations that we grew up in, you
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learned to keep your mouth shut because you didn't want
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to be the weirdo or the one that the white
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coats came and took away. The Joneses, everything was about
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the Joneses. I don't know where somebody came up with
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that name and what it looked like and everything was...
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you know, but what face value. So you didn't dare.
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And then when you throw traditional religion in with it too,
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then you've got a mishmash of, um, you know, you,
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you have to hide it and then you even start
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to doubt yourself, you know? So anyway, it's nice to
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be here with you guys. Cause I don't have to
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do that here.
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That's so true. And you know, those are great points
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and not to jump in here, Steve, but I, you know, um,
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I never understood, uh, How people could keep saying religions
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and I don't and I don't mean to bash any
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because it's it's across the board in most cases, it's
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all about love yet Everybody comes at people with hate
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like you can't do that because And i'm like wait
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a minute like steve and I were talking about the
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borley uh mansion a very um Famous very haunted. It's
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no longer there the rectory the borley rectory um it
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uh Of course, in the UK, right outside of Lancashire,
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I believe. Anyhow, the whole point of the haunting there
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was a monk and, of course, legend. And Peter Underwood
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said it's legend, so I'll go ahead and quote Peter.
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Because if you can't believe him, what, 40 years as
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the president of the Ghost Hunters Society or whatever in
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the UK? I mean, just a wonderful man. And said
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that the legend there was... A nun and a monk
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fell in love and met in secret. They got caught.
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So the religions on both of the... That was in
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charge of both of them, which is supposed to be
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based out of love, decided they were going to hang
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the monk and wall the nun up alive in the
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rectory itself and brick her in. And that's supposed to
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be your expression of love. You know, why not? OK, hey,
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you crazy kids, maybe you made a bad choice, you know,
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and pick this. You know, you said it was for life, but,
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you know, you fell in love. God had another plan.
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So go ahead. We'll let you out of this and
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you go be happy. And, you know, and. I don't
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get it.
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That would make more sense. It's not like, you know,
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the mafia or gang or something where it's blood in,
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blood out. You know, this is you should be able
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to turn and walk away if God had other plans.
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I think you called it right on the nail there.
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I agree.
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I agree also. You know, a lot of times, too.
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And again, we're not none of us are bashing traditional religion.
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I do believe that there is a purpose for it.
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I do believe in God. So, you know, just to
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make that clear, you know, to anybody that's listening, I
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do believe in Jesus. I believe in all of that.
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I've had the preachers come on. They've been on here
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several times. Everybody knows and listens how I feel about that.
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I believe in God.
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Yeah, I don't think it gets a bad name. I
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think it gets a bad name because the representative slices
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that are out there are showing me more of hate
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than love. And I don't understand that. And it's the
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same with ghosts. It is the same with ghosts. Why
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are people yelling at me, telling me that ghosts are
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made out of green jello when I'm trying to tell
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them that love is eternal and love continues on and
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your essence continues on, you know, that energy can't be destroyed.
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It just gets changed. And you know, where does it go?
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And Hey, here we have about a bazillion gazillion stories here.
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Are they all fake? you know and my ghosts are
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made out of green jello you know Lee.
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G and I were talking about that last night and
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we've referenced it before on From Beyond which is my
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UFO and UAP and related phenomenon channel if just one
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story is real just one UFO encounter just one ghost
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just one Bigfoot, just one of any of that stuff
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is true, then there you go. That's all it takes
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for one of them to be true. And I think
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there's a lot of them.
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That are true. Yep, me too. I agree. I agree.
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I just wanted to say that about that because here's
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the thing. When you're standing up there, you know, maybe
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given a seminar or a lecture or whatever. And again, anywhere,
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paranormal convention, whatever, similar. And people are just arguing about this,
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you know, why can't we all start with what we're
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all have in common? What we all have in common
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is our zest for knowledge, our want or our need
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for people, pick yours, to understand what's going on. You know,
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everybody's got a different reason. You know, nobody wants to
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be lied to or hoodwinked or, you know, they saw
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something and they're just trying to prove that something's out
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there so they can validate what they saw. Whatever their
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reason is, you know, we have something in common and
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that's the question, you know. And now, okay, what did
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you go gather? What do you have? What did you see? Really? Okay. Okay.
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And I think Steve and I over the years have
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really kind of peeled apart the fact that, of course,
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just because your ghost showed up in a Tinkerbell ball
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of glittery light and then decided to manifest as whatever
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it did or however it did and acted the way
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it did, it doesn't mean that your ghost story that
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was completely different didn't happen. It's different types of ghosts,
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different people experiencing it. It's everything in the room. It's
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all the energy combined. It's the energy of the land.
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It's the energy of the building, the structure, the place.
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It's the energy of the person that walked into that energy.
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It's the energy of the ghost that was there. If
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the ghost was there, the ghost might have followed you.
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You might have said, hey, where are you going? And
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followed him in. We just have all these things. question still,
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but I think we have some answers. I think we
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have some answers. I do believe it has to do
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with the individual who became the ghost. And I think
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it has to do with the individual who is seeing
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the ghost and there's an energy connection there for whatever reason,
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in some cases, not all cases, you know, in some
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cases you just walk up into a ghost and yo,
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there we are, you know, and it's, it doesn't have
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any big meaning behind it. The ghost isn't there to,
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because it's going through the same thing you're going through
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and recognize your energy. You just walked up in a
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ghost and there you both were, you know, that happens too. Yes.
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No, and that's true. And, you know, I think that
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people are also people they're born with gifts. They're born
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with this innate understanding. However, it's changed with nature versus
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nurture and they're, they're taught to be afraid of it.
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So a lot of times people, they're trying to prove
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it to themselves or they're afraid to prove it to
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themselves because they have this inner knowing. So even if
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somebody says, oh, there's no such thing as ghosts. Now
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they have an inner knowing. They're just creeped out that
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you're talking about it. And anybody that comes forward, you know,
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I've noticed a few things even on television recently where
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they're constantly trying to debunk it. You know, they're constantly,
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I mean, there's all of these miraculous things that are
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facts that have occurred, but they focus on this one
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little piece that was a little bit off. And that
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diminishes the whole thing. And, you know, all of us
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have had experiences. And to me... I have never, ever
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had anybody come and criticize me or say that what
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I was saying wasn't true. Then again, maybe because I
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don't give a flip. If somebody were to, I'd be like, oh, well,
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I have a nice day, you know, type thing. But
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we know, we know what we've seen. There is no doubt.
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than once. And I mean, some of us have been
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in situations or all of us have been in situations
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where we have seen it at the same time with
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other people. So there's that validation, too, you know, and
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but but people some people just aren't quite ready.
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For for it. Absolutely true. If I could jump in
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here real quick, I think that's a very important point.
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And I try to say it on my show, you know,
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when we get together and stuff, because I think it's
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so important. You're only going to understand what your consciousness
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at this point in your life is ready to understand.
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You might be getting help back from certain information or,
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you know, have you ever tried to think of something
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when you were a kid and then, you know, here
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you are 40 and you're just wandering around the grocery
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store or whatever, and all of a sudden it pops
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into your head and you get it? And you're like,
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why didn't I get that earlier? Are you kidding me?
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I'm just now figuring this out? You know, but it's
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like that in the paranormal, I believe. And Steve was
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the one who just having conversations with him. And then,
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you know, Steve, what do you think about that? What
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does it remind you of? And that's how we wrote
473
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the book, too. We're all children in the wilderness, the afterlife,
474
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:39.980
because I wanted it that way, because this is how
475
00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:44.200
we learn. You know, I just think that's an amazing thing.
476
00:25:45.450 --> 00:25:47.759
a thing to still be able to do after 50
477
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.920
years 40 years 60 years you know where you're like
478
00:25:51.099 --> 00:25:54.099
wow I'm working I'm running around a thing in my
479
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head now that has a lot to do with one
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of my first well not first not even close but
481
00:26:02.369 --> 00:26:05.980
my first time I saw my mom Because you remember, Steve,
482
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I was telling you about where, like, I'd wake up
483
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and she'd just be in different parts of my room.
484
00:26:10.289 --> 00:26:13.150
And she seemed to always be surprised when she saw
485
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me at the same time. She'd just blink out. You know,
486
00:26:16.990 --> 00:26:20.369
that's a short version. But take my word for it. Now,
487
00:26:21.269 --> 00:26:26.230
there's something in– Lynn, don't say a word. There's something–
488
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That's been going on with people I know and some
489
00:26:29.779 --> 00:26:33.940
other people I know and a couple of people that
490
00:26:33.980 --> 00:26:37.259
I've heard recently. So I figured what's happening right at
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this moment is I'm getting I'm getting something else. My
492
00:26:40.609 --> 00:26:44.809
consciousness is starting to understand this and it snaps into.
493
00:26:45.849 --> 00:26:49.809
The ghost stories that you hear about, let's say on
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the Kim Russo level, if you if you kind of
495
00:26:52.009 --> 00:26:54.650
understand what I mean by that, like where she would
496
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go a haunting of and she'd go back with the
497
00:26:58.019 --> 00:27:00.680
celebrity and take them back to the place it happened.
498
00:27:01.099 --> 00:27:03.940
And then she'd go through it. She'd read the house. Oh, well,
499
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:06.140
that ghost was here because of this. It's usually winds
500
00:27:06.180 --> 00:27:09.920
up being a totally different reason. than the person actually thought,
501
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:12.279
you know, or maybe they were scared of this ghost,
502
00:27:12.339 --> 00:27:14.460
and the ghost was trying to prevent them from falling
503
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:17.539
down a broken step or something, you know, just whatever
504
00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:19.809
you want to say, but it was a different reason,
505
00:27:20.710 --> 00:27:27.029
and what I'm thinking of now is that kind of,
506
00:27:27.049 --> 00:27:31.089
if you can imagine what it must be for a
507
00:27:31.150 --> 00:27:34.130
ghost that's just kind of I don't want to say
508
00:27:34.309 --> 00:27:37.849
stuck in any kind of purgatory or crossing over place
509
00:27:37.890 --> 00:27:40.390
or whatever. We all know those things exist because it's
510
00:27:40.430 --> 00:27:42.940
your consciousness. Are you ready to move up? Think high
511
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:45.500
vibrational things. You'll move up. We know that from the
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00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:47.880
little girl who was getting tickled. And every time she laughed,
513
00:27:48.259 --> 00:27:50.779
she moved over. She felt like she moved into a
514
00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:54.849
different plane of an existence in her NDE. And she
515
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:56.650
was just a three-year-old girl. And the only way she
516
00:27:56.690 --> 00:27:58.930
could describe it was... they would make her laugh. And
517
00:27:58.950 --> 00:28:02.069
when she laughed, she felt like her body would shift
518
00:28:02.130 --> 00:28:04.309
or it would shoot in another direction. And when she
519
00:28:04.349 --> 00:28:08.690
got through whatever clouds or whatever it was that she described,
520
00:28:09.230 --> 00:28:11.579
everything would be brighter and the music would be louder
521
00:28:11.660 --> 00:28:14.859
and things would be just gorgeous. And it was all
522
00:28:14.900 --> 00:28:17.559
because she was giggling. And I thought, okay, she's giggling.
523
00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:20.460
That's raising her vibration. She's shooting up a vibe, you know?
524
00:28:21.140 --> 00:28:26.049
So what if like my mom, she passes, she passes,
525
00:28:26.339 --> 00:28:30.039
passes in a hospital in Virginia. I'm in way far away.
526
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.859
I'm in New Jersey, right? I went to stay with
527
00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:36.059
family when she was in the hospital, sick at the end.
528
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:41.539
Makes sense, okay? So I wake up, I start seeing her.
529
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:46.269
I'm thinking, I'm scaring her as a kid. As I
530
00:28:46.329 --> 00:28:49.150
grow up and go through adulthood and things like that,
531
00:28:49.210 --> 00:28:52.430
start studying this more and understanding more, I'm starting to think,
532
00:28:52.490 --> 00:28:56.279
wait a minute, what if while I'm sleeping, I love
533
00:28:56.339 --> 00:28:58.720
and miss her so much. My energy is connecting into
534
00:28:58.779 --> 00:29:03.150
hers and that's drawing her. Yeah. Or you're seeing how
535
00:29:03.190 --> 00:29:04.890
you think of a loved one and they're there kind
536
00:29:04.930 --> 00:29:05.250
of thing.
537
00:29:05.890 --> 00:29:06.990
That makes a good point.
538
00:29:07.490 --> 00:29:11.509
What if it's, she's doing it? What if she passes
539
00:29:11.569 --> 00:29:14.849
in such a state pretty much, you know, alone other
540
00:29:14.869 --> 00:29:17.119
than the people that were there at the hospital, unfortunately
541
00:29:17.130 --> 00:29:20.660
a horrible, you know, this is back in 76, just
542
00:29:20.700 --> 00:29:25.430
the way things went, you know? And, uh, She's worried
543
00:29:25.450 --> 00:29:28.849
about me so much so it tethers her to the
544
00:29:28.950 --> 00:29:37.930
earth plane because we know this is also true. Worry, fear, regret, pain, suffering, grief,
545
00:29:38.029 --> 00:29:42.009
all those things can tether. And she's connecting in with
546
00:29:42.150 --> 00:29:45.930
my energy when it's loose and I'm asleep. She's in
547
00:29:45.950 --> 00:29:49.059
the state of kind of sleep and lingering because she's
548
00:29:49.099 --> 00:29:52.079
stuck here. And somehow our energies are matching up just
549
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:55.019
enough for us to briefly see each other for a
550
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:58.579
moment in time. That kind of love, that kind of deep,
551
00:29:59.289 --> 00:30:04.190
Mother-child connection. I think that's possible because I think it
552
00:30:04.250 --> 00:30:07.640
happens with the living as well. And for a brief moment,
553
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:12.079
they show up. Does this make any sense to anybody?
554
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:13.440
It makes total sense.
555
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:16.119
It does make total sense. And I agree with you
556
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:20.230
because I've kind of spoken with people about things kind
557
00:30:20.269 --> 00:30:22.390
of like that. I've kind of had some experiences that
558
00:30:22.430 --> 00:30:26.190
way myself. So yeah, that makes perfect sense. I mean,
559
00:30:26.269 --> 00:30:30.920
I know that even myself, with a recent issue at
560
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my sister's house, I mistakenly thought that this elemental in
561
00:30:36.329 --> 00:30:41.089
the house was holding spirits prisoner. And it turned out
562
00:30:41.190 --> 00:30:43.890
that his reason for being there and holding them was
563
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to protect them. So it is easy to misunderstand, you know,
564
00:30:48.329 --> 00:30:50.609
somebody being there. And plus, you know, so many people,
565
00:30:50.670 --> 00:30:54.289
it's sad that they've been taught to be afraid of spirits,
566
00:30:54.390 --> 00:30:57.089
even if they're familiar. I know the episode that I
567
00:30:57.130 --> 00:31:00.420
went through with religious choice that my mother made after
568
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:04.319
we had been Presbyterian for very, very long. And I mean,
569
00:31:04.339 --> 00:31:07.119
they scared me so bad that even when I started
570
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:08.660
to see things, I would run out of the room
571
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:11.000
just as fast as anybody else because of what I
572
00:31:11.059 --> 00:31:13.859
was taught, even if they were beautiful things like my
573
00:31:13.900 --> 00:31:16.960
grandmother or my aunt or somebody that would pop in
574
00:31:16.980 --> 00:31:20.119
to visit. And, you know, and then I would feel
575
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:23.400
them close, you know, too. And like you said, they
576
00:31:23.420 --> 00:31:26.660
would be connected because they loved me and not just
577
00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:31.240
because you know, I was calling on them or, you know,
578
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:33.529
thinking of them or whatever, but that they were also,
579
00:31:33.549 --> 00:31:34.849
you know, keyed in that way.
580
00:31:35.690 --> 00:31:40.289
So I agree. Absolutely. Cause the thought can be so powerful.
581
00:31:40.410 --> 00:31:45.710
Think about that, Steve, you know, an unwilling, like just
582
00:31:45.789 --> 00:31:48.529
a love, just a, you know, cause we, we, we
583
00:31:48.549 --> 00:31:50.269
can all think of something right now that we love
584
00:31:50.309 --> 00:31:56.589
that much, you know, that, and you're asleep there in semi,
585
00:31:57.059 --> 00:31:59.130
I guess you could say almost like a sleep, like a,
586
00:31:59.920 --> 00:32:02.240
you know, a twilight sleep, I guess. I don't know.
587
00:32:03.339 --> 00:32:07.240
Who knows? But there's just that connection. It's not a will,
588
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:13.440
not really a conscious will in either human being. It's
589
00:32:13.579 --> 00:32:20.160
just a underlying current of that eternal love that in sleep,
590
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:24.470
or in a let go conscious state, I'm sure people
591
00:32:24.490 --> 00:32:27.640
could do this in meditation as well, connects like that.
592
00:32:28.410 --> 00:32:31.440
and just surprises each other. I just think that's an
593
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:34.579
amazing way to think about it. Because listen, in life,
594
00:32:34.819 --> 00:32:37.259
you could do it astral projecting, you can do it
595
00:32:37.339 --> 00:32:39.640
through meditation, you can do it through other things, elusive
596
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:42.140
dreaming and things like that. And then you get all this,
597
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:46.779
all the accounts to have those goodbye show ups, you
598
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:49.619
guys know what I mean? Like somebody's passed and four
599
00:32:49.660 --> 00:32:51.740
people in the family got to see him before he
600
00:32:52.740 --> 00:32:55.960
you know, just stop for a minute, just to smile
601
00:32:56.019 --> 00:32:58.940
and move on. And you find out that right after
602
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:01.529
the person passed and went and visited four people that night,
603
00:33:02.150 --> 00:33:02.410
you know?
604
00:33:03.009 --> 00:33:03.289
Yes.
605
00:33:03.809 --> 00:33:04.009
Yeah.
606
00:33:04.269 --> 00:33:06.789
And what a beautiful way that you put it to Cisco.
607
00:33:07.289 --> 00:33:09.509
You laid it out in such a way that it
608
00:33:09.549 --> 00:33:10.369
was very beautiful.
609
00:33:10.390 --> 00:33:11.579
Yeah, indeed.
610
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:14.000
Well, thank you. I just think that that is a
611
00:33:14.059 --> 00:33:15.079
beautiful thing though.
612
00:33:15.539 --> 00:33:15.759
It is.
613
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:21.750
So you could, I think that somebody who, just was,
614
00:33:21.990 --> 00:33:24.970
had just so much love for a person too. They
615
00:33:25.019 --> 00:33:28.180
could do that. I'm wondering how many stories we've missed,
616
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.980
you know, or threw out and put in another category
617
00:33:32.019 --> 00:33:35.059
because it was something like that. Like say a soldier
618
00:33:35.099 --> 00:33:36.859
in a, you know, in a, in a, in a
619
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:40.619
foreign land by themselves in their foxhole, their tent and their,
620
00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:45.230
their sleep. And they're just thinking a home and somebody
621
00:33:45.289 --> 00:33:48.609
in that home, a child, a wife, a husband, whatever, uh,
622
00:33:50.049 --> 00:33:54.279
just for a moment sees that person standing there, you know,
623
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:58.299
just briefly and almost would, you'd almost think it was
624
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:00.940
a ghost, you know, or how many times has happened?
625
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.529
We don't even see it. Wow. That's just crazy. It's just,
626
00:34:05.329 --> 00:34:08.309
it's just amazing to me to think that why not?
627
00:34:08.630 --> 00:34:10.510
Why wouldn't it Steve? Doesn't it make sense?
628
00:34:11.050 --> 00:34:12.099
Yeah.
629
00:34:12.219 --> 00:34:12.619
I think so.
630
00:34:13.539 --> 00:34:15.480
Yeah, I agree with you, too. You know, and on
631
00:34:15.500 --> 00:34:18.380
that same line as well, it's like even with like
632
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:21.900
the thought and the connectedness in that way, that's that's
633
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:25.510
beyond the physical body. It's like one day you might
634
00:34:25.550 --> 00:34:27.449
be sitting and just out of the blue, you start
635
00:34:27.489 --> 00:34:30.809
thinking about somebody that you haven't thought about in years.
636
00:34:31.489 --> 00:34:34.179
And all of a sudden, the next day you get
637
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:36.820
a phone call or you run into a grocery store.
638
00:34:37.429 --> 00:34:40.300
You know, I mean, this kind of thing that happens
639
00:34:40.530 --> 00:34:42.760
and it's kind of along the same line and it's
640
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:43.780
all energetic.
641
00:34:44.539 --> 00:34:47.079
Yeah, it's like your energy is coming. You know what
642
00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:49.320
I mean? It's like your energy is coming. Same thing,
643
00:34:49.380 --> 00:34:51.949
like phone calls, like you said, somebody's going to knock
644
00:34:51.989 --> 00:34:54.590
on the door. I do it all the time with
645
00:34:54.610 --> 00:34:57.030
phone calls, especially with, you know, loved ones and stuff
646
00:34:57.070 --> 00:34:59.550
like that. And I certainly didn't mean anything where I said, Lynn,
647
00:34:59.570 --> 00:35:03.090
don't say anything, but I didn't want to. I know
648
00:35:03.349 --> 00:35:07.070
somebody that might be experiencing something like that because when
649
00:35:07.150 --> 00:35:10.329
I read it, I get innocence on both sides. And
650
00:35:10.369 --> 00:35:12.769
I think that that's what you, do you understand what
651
00:35:12.809 --> 00:35:13.250
I'm saying?
652
00:35:13.590 --> 00:35:13.929
Yes.
653
00:35:14.650 --> 00:35:17.889
I get innocence on both sides where both are surprised
654
00:35:17.969 --> 00:35:21.730
by it. And when I, when I got that, that's
655
00:35:21.809 --> 00:35:25.590
what made me think of my mom. And for years,
656
00:35:25.820 --> 00:35:27.190
I mean, this happened when I was like 11, 12,
657
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:31.980
you know, For years, I thought, oh my gosh, I'm
658
00:35:32.019 --> 00:35:34.860
doing it wrong. I'm scaring her. I told her I
659
00:35:35.380 --> 00:35:37.900
didn't want to see ghosts. I'd be scared. I'm scaring
660
00:35:37.940 --> 00:35:40.079
her away and she won't stay and talk to me.
661
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:42.539
When you're a kid, you beat yourself up inside and
662
00:35:42.579 --> 00:35:48.510
out sideways. I'm doing something wrong here. Why can't I
663
00:35:48.550 --> 00:35:50.070
get my mom to stick around just so I can
664
00:35:50.090 --> 00:35:55.969
see if she's okay? Absolutely. Totally misunderstanding. I think she
665
00:35:56.010 --> 00:35:59.269
was just as surprised. She didn't you know, cause we
666
00:35:59.289 --> 00:36:02.860
always assume that ghosts have the whole book too. Like
667
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:05.360
they have the whole, here's all the rules. This is
668
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.480
what you can and can't do. This is what you
669
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:09.139
can and can't tell them. This is what you can
670
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:11.750
and can't say. And I'm sure that there's somebody over
671
00:36:11.789 --> 00:36:14.099
there in the center being or whatever going, Oh, We
672
00:36:14.139 --> 00:36:17.500
don't want to give it all away to them because
673
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:19.599
I'd be cheating. They have to find it out on
674
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:23.260
their own. Kind of like adults with a three-year-old. You
675
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:26.019
just keep trying to catch them before they hit the ground.
676
00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:29.420
But once they fall on their butts a couple of times,
677
00:36:29.460 --> 00:36:32.460
they learn to hang on or walk careful. You know
678
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:35.010
what I mean? It's almost like that's how I look
679
00:36:35.110 --> 00:36:38.590
at it with ascended beings and whoever's running this show. Yeah.
680
00:36:39.690 --> 00:36:42.849
And whoever has the rule books, you know, because we
681
00:36:42.889 --> 00:36:45.210
assume that the ghost can do that. And I keep
682
00:36:45.250 --> 00:36:48.610
going back to that movie Ghost when Patrick Swayze's character
683
00:36:48.630 --> 00:36:50.630
was just trying to move the damn penny or kick
684
00:36:50.690 --> 00:36:55.260
a can. And he could he was trying with human boundaries,
685
00:36:55.360 --> 00:37:00.400
I think. you know and and letting those human earthly
686
00:37:00.539 --> 00:37:03.889
connections kind of go like that those boundaries those color
687
00:37:03.969 --> 00:37:06.510
you know coloring in the lines and it's all the
688
00:37:06.550 --> 00:37:08.909
other goes to go dude there's no lines anymore you
689
00:37:08.949 --> 00:37:11.590
know and you just have to think it so if
690
00:37:11.650 --> 00:37:14.400
it's if it's simple like that a process of thought
691
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:18.079
and thinking it imagine the things that we can do
692
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:21.460
that they've told us we can't anymore Absolutely.
693
00:37:21.619 --> 00:37:23.860
I mean, there's a whole hemisphere of the brain that
694
00:37:23.900 --> 00:37:27.099
they don't even we're not even using. And I believe
695
00:37:27.139 --> 00:37:32.260
that that's the spiritual side that connects us with, you know,
696
00:37:32.340 --> 00:37:35.210
and our gifts, our spiritual gifts that come through that
697
00:37:35.250 --> 00:37:40.090
we're all born with. So, yeah, I mean, you know,
698
00:37:40.269 --> 00:37:42.349
I'm on the same page with you, what you're talking about.
699
00:37:42.389 --> 00:37:43.190
That is for sure.
700
00:37:43.210 --> 00:37:46.280
Yeah, I'm right there, too. Yeah.
701
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:50.199
And I just think that's an amazing, you know, to me,
702
00:37:50.260 --> 00:37:54.320
it's almost like an epiphany because that one thing, and
703
00:37:54.340 --> 00:37:56.449
I always smile when I think about my mom, because
704
00:37:57.230 --> 00:37:59.530
what she has taught me, I thought she taught me
705
00:37:59.570 --> 00:38:01.510
everything she had to teach me in the first 12
706
00:38:01.510 --> 00:38:03.550
years before I lost her, you know, and I was,
707
00:38:04.329 --> 00:38:07.760
that's just, you know, where my mindset was. But now,
708
00:38:08.340 --> 00:38:10.159
you know, on the other side of this, I'm going,
709
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:12.480
my gosh, she taught me so much after she passed
710
00:38:12.539 --> 00:38:16.760
as well. Yes. Especially in this and didn't probably didn't
711
00:38:16.780 --> 00:38:19.300
even realize what she was doing at first. And that's
712
00:38:19.380 --> 00:38:22.099
what got me to get it because I'm looking at
713
00:38:22.139 --> 00:38:24.400
this and I'm going, you know, how would she know
714
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:26.219
to do that? And I thought, well, maybe she's just
715
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:28.280
thinking of me and I'm just thinking of her. And
716
00:38:28.300 --> 00:38:33.760
we just, boom, somehow we caught that flash moment. You know,
717
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:36.639
like Steve, Steve, you and I talk about that where,
718
00:38:36.860 --> 00:38:40.099
where time is, like the pages in a book. Do
719
00:38:40.139 --> 00:38:44.420
you remember that, that analogy? You've got a book and
720
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:46.980
the pages and the pages just get a little wet,
721
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:49.760
drop some water on it. Right. And he dropped some
722
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:51.980
water and a pretty soon you'll start to see the
723
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.860
words from the other side bleed over onto that page
724
00:38:54.900 --> 00:38:57.389
a little bit. And those pages coming through. And I
725
00:38:57.489 --> 00:39:01.989
think time is like that in, in ways like sometimes
726
00:39:02.030 --> 00:39:05.010
they come into ours. Sometimes we go into theirs, you know, uh,
727
00:39:06.900 --> 00:39:08.139
It could be something that's simple.
728
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:11.659
I don't think it's totally linear. It's an abstract.
729
00:39:12.539 --> 00:39:13.059
Exactly.
730
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:14.000
I love that.
731
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:14.800
Yeah. Yeah.
732
00:39:15.429 --> 00:39:16.389
I love that.
733
00:39:16.619 --> 00:39:19.949
Kind of also like the veils between dimensions that you
734
00:39:19.989 --> 00:39:24.469
kind of go into. When my mom passed away, also
735
00:39:24.530 --> 00:39:26.989
my father had a near-death experience. And he talked about
736
00:39:27.050 --> 00:39:29.050
the fact that they're able to be in six places
737
00:39:29.110 --> 00:39:32.760
at one time, Sam. which i found to be interesting
738
00:39:32.820 --> 00:39:35.619
because they could be sitting with your brother at the
739
00:39:35.989 --> 00:39:37.969
morning table and while they're in the car riding with
740
00:39:38.010 --> 00:39:41.289
you to work but speaking of the sensory thing they
741
00:39:41.329 --> 00:39:44.590
do cross over they do have all of their senses
742
00:39:44.630 --> 00:39:46.969
and people argue the smell thing and it's like look
743
00:39:47.829 --> 00:39:50.250
They don't have an olfactory nerve, so it's not like
744
00:39:50.309 --> 00:39:52.750
walking up and sniffing a flower, but it is a
745
00:39:52.809 --> 00:39:58.710
memory recall. Because they think and they travel, my mother
746
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:01.739
pops in occasionally and I asked her about the eating
747
00:40:01.820 --> 00:40:04.820
thing with potato salad and doesn't she miss it? And
748
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:06.360
of course she came in and she said, well, we
749
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.739
do everything by thought. If we want to be with someone,
750
00:40:09.780 --> 00:40:13.039
we think of them and we're instantly right there with them.
751
00:40:13.139 --> 00:40:16.800
And if we want to go somewhere, we think of it,
752
00:40:16.869 --> 00:40:19.789
and we instantly are there. I mean, there's not even
753
00:40:19.849 --> 00:40:24.150
a point of traveling, you're just in split second, you're there.
754
00:40:24.969 --> 00:40:28.199
And when you want to, you know, taste a food
755
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:31.659
or something that you enjoyed on some in some lifetime,
756
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:34.460
and some galaxy or on Earth, your most recent lifetime,
757
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:37.099
you just think of it. And the sensation comes to
758
00:40:37.139 --> 00:40:40.780
you as if you're eating it instantaneously. So you know,
759
00:40:40.820 --> 00:40:43.630
that that that's also very interesting, too, with the fact
760
00:40:43.670 --> 00:40:48.679
that they can be so many places, and they do feel,
761
00:40:48.739 --> 00:40:52.469
they keep all of their senses. Whether they passed over
762
00:40:52.510 --> 00:40:54.320
or not, they have all of their senses. But when
763
00:40:54.340 --> 00:40:59.949
they pass over, they have additional senses that they didn't
764
00:40:59.989 --> 00:41:03.510
have while they were earthbound. And a lot of the
765
00:41:03.550 --> 00:41:06.210
negative stuff is shed and left behind. So they're not
766
00:41:08.010 --> 00:41:09.809
held back by that anymore.
767
00:41:09.829 --> 00:41:11.349
Fascinating stuff.
768
00:41:12.170 --> 00:41:17.099
It's good, right? I think that's the best thing. Again,
769
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:22.420
I'll use my mom. When she was showing up, like
770
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:26.519
I said, I call them pop-ins. Because again, they always
771
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:31.929
ended with me going, and her going, that kind of look.
772
00:41:33.150 --> 00:41:36.530
Why am I scaring her? When I finally got my
773
00:41:36.590 --> 00:41:39.489
stuff together, and you're just not expecting it, and it's
774
00:41:39.510 --> 00:41:41.050
never going to happen again, and then all of a sudden, bam,
775
00:41:41.070 --> 00:41:44.110
there it is again. You're never ready for it. Not
776
00:41:44.150 --> 00:41:48.050
when it's like that. Yeah. But then after there was
777
00:41:48.090 --> 00:41:50.610
a time, you know, I went through a lot of
778
00:41:50.659 --> 00:41:52.320
stuff and a lot of other things happened to me.
779
00:41:52.340 --> 00:41:54.400
And I'm pretty sure my spirit guides had a hold
780
00:41:54.420 --> 00:41:56.860
of me because that's, you know, when stuff was happening
781
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:58.849
to me, like, uh, but I got stuck in the
782
00:41:58.929 --> 00:42:01.610
undertow and spit out on the beach, you know, and
783
00:42:01.650 --> 00:42:04.070
I was out of my body. And the time almost
784
00:42:04.090 --> 00:42:06.050
walked in front of the bus and somebody just grabbed
785
00:42:06.090 --> 00:42:08.239
me by the back of the, both shoulders, back of
786
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:12.079
the top back of my shoulders and lifted me off
787
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:14.320
the ground and put me on my butt on the
788
00:42:15.099 --> 00:42:19.440
sidewalk as the bus went. And I turned around to say,
789
00:42:19.460 --> 00:42:22.960
thank you. There's nobody there. So different things like that
790
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:25.559
were happening to me. I believe that my spirit guys
791
00:42:25.619 --> 00:42:28.860
were really trying to, get me through bootcamp or something.
792
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.239
You know what I mean? I was a teenager, you know,
793
00:42:31.260 --> 00:42:35.340
it's like, I was always at the crossroads, you know,
794
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:38.909
which road do I take? Right. You know, which way
795
00:42:38.929 --> 00:42:41.329
did I go? So, you know, I think there was
796
00:42:41.349 --> 00:42:44.030
a lot of that going on. And it was a while.
797
00:42:44.929 --> 00:42:47.809
And then, Right before the night before I went into
798
00:42:47.829 --> 00:42:50.530
the Army, right before I left for boot camp. That's
799
00:42:50.550 --> 00:42:53.530
when she showed up again, but totally different, totally different way.
800
00:42:53.869 --> 00:42:56.110
I love your version of that. If you would tell
801
00:42:56.170 --> 00:42:57.230
that whole story there.
802
00:42:57.510 --> 00:43:00.730
Sure, I will. So, you know, again, I'm not nervous.
803
00:43:00.889 --> 00:43:04.429
I'm digging this. I at the time I was so
804
00:43:04.489 --> 00:43:07.289
gung ho. I was like John Wayne Jr. I really was.
805
00:43:07.309 --> 00:43:11.110
I was just so into Army. I was fit. I was,
806
00:43:11.550 --> 00:43:14.090
you know, I was running. I was running with leg weights.
807
00:43:14.130 --> 00:43:16.869
I was just gun on nuts. And I wanted to
808
00:43:17.110 --> 00:43:18.829
so over cheat. I knew I was going to have
809
00:43:18.869 --> 00:43:24.570
to shoot so far, you know, to land halfway. Because, again,
810
00:43:24.590 --> 00:43:27.050
I was like in the one of the very first
811
00:43:27.210 --> 00:43:31.929
all female boot camps in Fort Dix. This is back,
812
00:43:31.949 --> 00:43:34.110
you know, we're breaking ceilings on glass all over the place.
813
00:43:34.150 --> 00:43:35.920
They didn't know what to do with us. So I
814
00:43:36.019 --> 00:43:38.199
knew I had to train hard. So I was excited.
815
00:43:38.219 --> 00:43:41.380
It wasn't nervous or anxiety or anything like that. I
816
00:43:41.420 --> 00:43:47.019
stayed at my sister's house. I'm on her couch. Now,
817
00:43:47.420 --> 00:43:50.659
she's got three daughters, my nieces, and they were all
818
00:43:50.889 --> 00:43:53.690
teenagers at the time, and they had a curfew. It's
819
00:43:53.969 --> 00:43:57.170
a little late. It's about 10.30, somewhere around in there.
820
00:43:58.510 --> 00:44:01.130
And in the room I'm in, there is a back door.
821
00:44:01.329 --> 00:44:06.719
My sister is extremely historically nautical, colonial. Go figure. But
822
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:09.719
it works for her. And on this back door, it's
823
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:13.139
a glass window, a wooden door with a glass window half.
824
00:44:14.030 --> 00:44:17.349
And on that glass window, instead of a curtain is
825
00:44:17.630 --> 00:44:21.969
a fishing net filled with these shells and see, what
826
00:44:22.070 --> 00:44:26.739
do you call it? Starfish, you know, nice, really pretty,
827
00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:30.679
very well done. And these big, beautiful glass, they're called
828
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:34.780
Japanese floating glass balls or something nautical. So, you know,
829
00:44:35.690 --> 00:44:38.769
So when you open this door, it has a distinctive
830
00:44:38.809 --> 00:44:41.909
sound when it opens and when it closes. Everybody in
831
00:44:41.949 --> 00:44:44.949
that house knows that sound because of the way that
832
00:44:45.250 --> 00:44:47.860
those glass balls and that net and shells hits the
833
00:44:47.900 --> 00:44:51.699
glass on the door. So I hear it open and
834
00:44:52.179 --> 00:44:55.719
I'm thinking, oh, man, somebody's coming in late curfew. You know,
835
00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:57.860
so I started like ribbon. I didn't know which needs
836
00:44:57.900 --> 00:44:59.449
it was because I didn't know who was out of
837
00:44:59.469 --> 00:45:03.190
the house. And I said something. I heard the door close.
838
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:05.980
And nobody said anything back. And I wanted to catch
839
00:45:06.019 --> 00:45:07.840
who it was. So I sat up from where I
840
00:45:07.889 --> 00:45:09.429
was on the couch so I could look over the
841
00:45:09.469 --> 00:45:14.969
couch to see. And nobody's there. Nobody had a chance
842
00:45:15.010 --> 00:45:16.630
to get up the stairs and out of the room.
843
00:45:17.750 --> 00:45:21.630
And I noticed by the door, which I heard distinctly
844
00:45:21.730 --> 00:45:25.710
open and close, this little sparkle of light. And it's
845
00:45:25.929 --> 00:45:32.400
almost like just a little pinch of glitter in midair moving.
846
00:45:33.170 --> 00:45:37.960
You know, kind of like going together, going apart. And
847
00:45:37.980 --> 00:45:40.880
then it's getting a little bit bigger. And it's kind
848
00:45:40.940 --> 00:45:45.480
of moving through the living room about halfway. And it's
849
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:47.800
like right in front of me. I could almost reach
850
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:49.449
out and touch it. If I had lunged at it,
851
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:51.840
I could have touched it. But I didn't move. And
852
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:54.400
I'm watching this thing move. And then it gets brighter
853
00:45:54.420 --> 00:45:57.250
and it gets lighter. And it gets bigger and more
854
00:45:57.309 --> 00:46:01.849
glittery and kind of misty. And it's going so fast
855
00:46:01.909 --> 00:46:04.190
yet so slow. I don't know how to describe that.
856
00:46:05.030 --> 00:46:09.389
And it just eventually starts making a larger, in the
857
00:46:09.489 --> 00:46:13.760
midst of this light and glittery light, was a figure.
858
00:46:14.429 --> 00:46:16.800
And then all of a sudden, it just became clear
859
00:46:16.820 --> 00:46:20.539
and it was my mom. And now she's no longer me.
860
00:46:21.489 --> 00:46:24.780
in the hospital gown and had the white thing, you know,
861
00:46:24.820 --> 00:46:28.559
the white, uh, hospital band on her wrist. Um, she
862
00:46:28.619 --> 00:46:32.840
wasn't hunched over. I didn't feel her pain. I felt
863
00:46:32.940 --> 00:46:36.719
nothing but warmth and love and light. And it just
864
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:40.420
washed over me. Like somebody just opened like a pizza
865
00:46:40.579 --> 00:46:44.539
oven and I'm just standing there probably like a goofball
866
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:47.960
with my face hanging out. And I just, I remember
867
00:46:48.019 --> 00:46:52.469
just mouthing mom. Because she looked so good. She looked
868
00:46:52.489 --> 00:46:56.929
like she was going, you know, out to dinner on
869
00:46:56.949 --> 00:46:59.449
a Saturday night, you know, at the Essex and Sussex
870
00:46:59.510 --> 00:47:01.989
town in the Jersey Shore. I mean, she looked good.
871
00:47:02.190 --> 00:47:06.960
Her hair was done. She had, you know, like just casual,
872
00:47:07.099 --> 00:47:10.719
you know, dressy outfit. You know, she looked great. Big
873
00:47:10.780 --> 00:47:13.719
old smile on her face, rosy cheeks, her makeup's done.
874
00:47:13.780 --> 00:47:17.880
She's looking good. Mom is looking good. She's not hunched over.
875
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:20.480
She's standing up straight. Like I said, I did not
876
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:22.889
feel the pain. I can tell you before when she
877
00:47:22.969 --> 00:47:26.630
showed up, I promise you people, it was almost like
878
00:47:27.030 --> 00:47:31.530
feeling the pain energy when she showed up, I think
879
00:47:31.590 --> 00:47:33.840
is what woke me up. I don't know how to
880
00:47:33.909 --> 00:47:36.940
express that, but I think I felt her pain and
881
00:47:37.019 --> 00:47:42.139
her suffering and her depression before I ever saw her.
882
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:45.139
if that makes sense. Now I'm getting this blast of
883
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:47.500
infirmity of, Hey girl, how you doing? You know, it
884
00:47:47.539 --> 00:47:51.010
was amazing. So there she is. And I hear her
885
00:47:51.050 --> 00:47:52.710
talking to me and I'm looking at her and she's
886
00:47:52.730 --> 00:47:56.170
just smiling and I'm not even blinking twice that she's
887
00:47:56.449 --> 00:47:58.849
not moving her mouth. And I could totally hear Steve.
888
00:47:58.889 --> 00:48:02.070
I could smell her Lynn. Do you know what I mean?
889
00:48:02.090 --> 00:48:07.730
I could smell her or familiar, uh, just her shampoo.
890
00:48:07.829 --> 00:48:10.309
I can smell, you know, the way she smelled when
891
00:48:10.349 --> 00:48:12.409
she came inside on a cold day and gave me
892
00:48:12.449 --> 00:48:17.170
a hug, I could smell it. And through tele telepathically,
893
00:48:17.849 --> 00:48:20.690
she told me just a bunch of stuff. The, the,
894
00:48:20.769 --> 00:48:24.300
the short end being just short things, but very profound,
895
00:48:24.449 --> 00:48:26.090
you know, you're doing great. I'm very proud of you.
896
00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:27.739
I'm like, am I doing the right thing? I can
897
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:29.659
remember at one point I busted out, you know, my
898
00:48:29.699 --> 00:48:31.510
do it. Cause I was going to the army. Am
899
00:48:31.550 --> 00:48:32.909
I doing the right thing? Is this the right thing?
900
00:48:32.969 --> 00:48:35.969
She said, I can't tell you that. And then at
901
00:48:36.030 --> 00:48:39.750
the end, she said, you won't see me for a while,
902
00:48:40.550 --> 00:48:42.670
but I'll be around and I love you very much.
903
00:48:42.730 --> 00:48:47.219
And as soon as she said that, she didn't twinkle out.
904
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:51.380
She just kind of, almost like you would see in
905
00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:54.679
Charles Dickens where they kind of start floating backwards kind
906
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:58.820
of thing. And then just gone, twinkled out. And darn
907
00:48:58.860 --> 00:49:01.039
if I didn't hear that daggum door open and shut again.
908
00:49:01.949 --> 00:49:05.269
It never moved. It never moved. But I heard it.
909
00:49:06.010 --> 00:49:07.750
What a great experience.
910
00:49:07.789 --> 00:49:09.570
Yeah, I love to hear you tell that.
911
00:49:10.650 --> 00:49:13.110
I've never heard that story, Cisco. I'm so thrilled that
912
00:49:13.130 --> 00:49:15.130
you shared that. That is amazing.
913
00:49:15.670 --> 00:49:17.989
And it's a really nice one. But, you know, you
914
00:49:18.010 --> 00:49:20.599
kind of stand there and you're just like, what? what
915
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:23.760
just happened? And, you know, I have to say that
916
00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:27.409
for every story that anybody's ever heard where they say, well,
917
00:49:27.449 --> 00:49:29.789
it happened. And then I just went to sleep, you know,
918
00:49:30.210 --> 00:49:33.110
and I could never understand that when you see it,
919
00:49:33.210 --> 00:49:35.510
but you know, it happens because I just, I was
920
00:49:35.550 --> 00:49:37.369
so relaxed. It was almost like it drained you a
921
00:49:37.409 --> 00:49:40.489
little bit. They're pulling energy from you, too, so maybe
922
00:49:40.530 --> 00:49:44.210
that's it, Steve. Maybe that's why people just fall asleep,
923
00:49:44.230 --> 00:49:45.969
because I think it drains your energy, too.
924
00:49:46.030 --> 00:49:48.570
I think it just wipes you out. It's like, okay,
925
00:49:48.610 --> 00:49:50.530
I've done all I can do for now. I've got
926
00:49:50.550 --> 00:49:54.110
to recharge my batteries. The same with electronics and things,
927
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:57.639
how the batteries are depleted in the presence of something
928
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:00.360
like that. I think our psychic batteries, if you will,
929
00:50:00.820 --> 00:50:02.239
get depleted that easily.
930
00:50:02.900 --> 00:50:04.199
Yes, I agree.
931
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:08.239
And there's an affirmation story right there, my very own
932
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:13.389
experience of how if they stay connected to the earth,
933
00:50:13.449 --> 00:50:18.510
if they're bound to the earth by their own feelings
934
00:50:18.570 --> 00:50:23.190
and their own vibrations or low vibrational stuff, connected for whatever,
935
00:50:23.610 --> 00:50:28.090
you know, the chains that, you know, morally formed through life,
936
00:50:28.150 --> 00:50:30.469
you know, however you want to say it, but just
937
00:50:30.530 --> 00:50:34.380
being lonely and hurt and confused and, you know, can,
938
00:50:34.570 --> 00:50:36.400
can hold you a little bit. And like I said,
939
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:38.900
the best knowledge that we could ever give out on
940
00:50:38.980 --> 00:50:44.119
one of these shows, think positive, think positive things. It's,
941
00:50:44.340 --> 00:50:47.800
it's almost like clapping to get Tinkerbell to fly, believe in,
942
00:50:48.099 --> 00:50:50.719
you know what I mean? It's just, it's so intent.
943
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:54.449
It's so, It's look, you can, you can feel it
944
00:50:54.489 --> 00:50:57.130
when you do it now and you're alive. You can
945
00:50:57.210 --> 00:51:00.230
feel the difference between being sad, turning on the radio
946
00:51:00.250 --> 00:51:02.030
and one of your favorite songs come on. And by
947
00:51:02.070 --> 00:51:04.219
the time you get about 10, 12 beats and you're
948
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:07.139
starting to feel it, your foot starts tapping, you feel better.
949
00:51:07.699 --> 00:51:09.960
And you're singing in the car at the red light
950
00:51:09.980 --> 00:51:12.139
and you just don't even care. You're dancing in the kitchen,
951
00:51:12.179 --> 00:51:15.079
singing into your wooden spoon, whatever's going on. You've just
952
00:51:15.139 --> 00:51:18.159
raised your vibration. So if we could just get ghosts
953
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:22.130
to do that, there they go. You know, There they go,
954
00:51:22.429 --> 00:51:25.690
floating off into the light. It's wonderful. And I don't
955
00:51:25.710 --> 00:51:27.469
know why we make it so difficult. And I don't
956
00:51:27.489 --> 00:51:29.730
know why we get involved in all this. I think
957
00:51:29.969 --> 00:51:33.280
it's arrogant to tell ghosts that they have to leave
958
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:35.699
and they have to cross over. No, it's not. It's
959
00:51:35.739 --> 00:51:39.420
not arrogant. You're not telling them they have to. You're
960
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:42.460
telling them like a bartender, look, honey, you don't have
961
00:51:42.500 --> 00:51:45.369
to go home, but you can't stay here. Because the
962
00:51:45.469 --> 00:51:48.150
living have a choice too. So if you're not going
963
00:51:48.170 --> 00:51:50.590
to be cool, you got to go. You don't have
964
00:51:50.630 --> 00:51:52.269
to go home. You want to go sort it? You
965
00:51:52.289 --> 00:51:53.889
want to go talk about it? You want to talk
966
00:51:53.909 --> 00:51:56.719
about crossing over? What's your beef? You know, you can
967
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.719
do that. But the main thing is, I think it's
968
00:51:59.739 --> 00:52:04.179
a responsibility of any human being to help another human
969
00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:07.139
being and say, look, you don't have to do any
970
00:52:07.179 --> 00:52:09.639
of this, but here's the gist. It took me 60
971
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:12.559
years to get to this. If you want the information,
972
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.909
here it is. If not, Go haunt somebody's dark cellar.
973
00:52:16.469 --> 00:52:19.309
But don't say I didn't try. That's what it is
974
00:52:19.369 --> 00:52:23.860
for me. You know, free will. Free will. You have it.
975
00:52:23.989 --> 00:52:26.630
I have it. Thank God. You know, but so do they.
976
00:52:26.650 --> 00:52:30.619
I just think it's sad that people treat them like
977
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:35.019
pets and say, oh, well, they're good. No, honey, they're
978
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:38.119
not supposed to be here. You know, if they're working
979
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:42.500
through some part of their journey. OK, fine. But that's look.
980
00:52:43.460 --> 00:52:46.260
They have to be if you cannot leave them in
981
00:52:46.300 --> 00:52:52.860
that stuck, dingy, depressed, sad, angry, tied up and not state.
982
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:56.570
That's arrogant to think that you don't have the time
983
00:52:56.610 --> 00:52:58.730
to stop for a minute. Those are the same people
984
00:52:58.769 --> 00:53:01.269
who walk past a crippled homeless person on the corner
985
00:53:01.909 --> 00:53:06.969
because it's it's it's it's it's hard. You know what
986
00:53:06.989 --> 00:53:10.110
I mean? It's not pleasant. It's not pleasant going down
987
00:53:10.170 --> 00:53:14.090
into a deep basement either. and taking a shit ton
988
00:53:14.150 --> 00:53:18.389
of chances because, you know, you played with a Ouija
989
00:53:18.429 --> 00:53:20.369
board and thought you were going to solve stuff and
990
00:53:21.010 --> 00:53:24.389
did whatever else went on and did some ritual on
991
00:53:24.409 --> 00:53:29.000
the roof and planted your husband's underwear in the front
992
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.559
yard to keep him from cheating on you. Whatever you did,
993
00:53:31.579 --> 00:53:33.260
you opened some stuff and now we got to come
994
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:34.639
and we got to close it. We got to sort
995
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.070
things out. Don't tell me how to do it. Because
996
00:53:37.090 --> 00:53:38.429
if you knew how to do it, you wouldn't be
997
00:53:38.489 --> 00:53:43.590
calling me. That's right. People get crazy. Steve, you know,
998
00:53:43.610 --> 00:53:44.090
it's true.
999
00:53:46.849 --> 00:53:48.010
Yeah, absolutely.
1000
00:53:48.570 --> 00:53:53.500
It's so true. We'll get somebody and they're on. And
1001
00:53:53.539 --> 00:53:56.519
I'm like, honey, if you need help, please DM me,
1002
00:53:57.039 --> 00:53:59.139
email me. I don't need to hear the whole, please
1003
00:53:59.179 --> 00:54:01.099
don't tell me the whole thing. Cause it's sitting right
1004
00:54:01.139 --> 00:54:05.739
behind you gaining energy. Listening to you talking about it.
1005
00:54:06.179 --> 00:54:08.789
And then it's going to go attack your kids because
1006
00:54:08.849 --> 00:54:12.389
it knows that's how it gets to you. And I'm
1007
00:54:12.429 --> 00:54:14.090
trying to stop you from doing that.
1008
00:54:14.869 --> 00:54:18.650
And you're doubling down. It's like they just got to
1009
00:54:18.710 --> 00:54:20.750
say it, you know. And I'm like, look, do you
1010
00:54:20.769 --> 00:54:23.110
want help? We're going to start here. Stop talking about it.
1011
00:54:23.630 --> 00:54:27.090
Do these things. Do these things in this. You know
1012
00:54:27.110 --> 00:54:29.590
what I mean? And I'll get you somebody. I'll get
1013
00:54:29.630 --> 00:54:33.309
your pro. I'll get your pro that's been vetted, you know. 20,
1014
00:54:33.309 --> 00:54:36.510
30 years through me, known them this long, you know,
1015
00:54:36.530 --> 00:54:38.429
but you're going to have to do what they say too.
1016
00:54:39.139 --> 00:54:40.599
Because if you were going to do it, you're, you've
1017
00:54:40.619 --> 00:54:44.139
done it your way. And now you're a mess. You know,
1018
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:47.599
I don't know. Does that sound arrogant or adamant? No,
1019
00:54:47.619 --> 00:54:48.380
I think it's adamant.
1020
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:49.860
I think it's more adamant.
1021
00:54:49.900 --> 00:54:50.099
Yeah.
1022
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:52.639
Yeah. I think it sounds adamant too. And the thing
1023
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:56.190
is also is sometimes people, after they've worked themselves into
1024
00:54:56.230 --> 00:54:59.369
that sort of a situation, um, then they want help
1025
00:54:59.409 --> 00:55:00.929
to get out of it. But the thing is, is
1026
00:55:00.989 --> 00:55:03.179
do they really want the help to get out of it?
1027
00:55:03.190 --> 00:55:05.630
Because there are certain work that they also have to
1028
00:55:05.710 --> 00:55:08.969
apply themselves to do in order to meet that goal.
1029
00:55:09.110 --> 00:55:13.239
And a lot of times because of the dysfunctional coping
1030
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:17.699
skills that they've created in order to accommodate whatever they have,
1031
00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:20.719
you know, the spirit in their house or whatever, or
1032
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:24.030
the depression or the attachments or whatever it is. Um,
1033
00:55:24.150 --> 00:55:29.010
they're so used to having that maladaption, um, that they
1034
00:55:30.070 --> 00:55:33.639
are not comfortable letting it go. Once you, once they're
1035
00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:35.760
free of that, or once they have a better understanding,
1036
00:55:35.780 --> 00:55:37.719
they want to dip back down into some of the
1037
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:41.179
negative stuff and, you know, kind of keep the ball rolling.
1038
00:55:42.219 --> 00:55:45.840
Even I call that a paranormal munch houses. Don't we see?
1039
00:55:46.300 --> 00:55:47.650
Yeah, there you go.
1040
00:55:48.389 --> 00:55:49.570
A few times.
1041
00:55:50.110 --> 00:55:53.050
Yeah, that's exactly what it is. And it's, it's, and
1042
00:55:53.130 --> 00:55:58.289
not only that, but, Look, I've known cases where, I mean,
1043
00:55:58.530 --> 00:56:03.239
at great, I mean, again, you know, people have to
1044
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:06.980
realize what mediums or people that go through or, you know,
1045
00:56:07.019 --> 00:56:10.559
people that chaos magic. Anybody that's going in to help,
1046
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:12.340
I don't care if it's a priest, a pastor, it
1047
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:15.889
doesn't matter. Anybody that goes in to help somebody else
1048
00:56:15.929 --> 00:56:19.829
in this situation is putting themselves in Not only at
1049
00:56:19.889 --> 00:56:23.530
risk or, you know, whatever. There's a fight going on here.
1050
00:56:23.849 --> 00:56:26.110
And you may not see the blows. You may not
1051
00:56:26.210 --> 00:56:29.070
see the wounds. You may not see the torment that
1052
00:56:29.110 --> 00:56:31.309
that person goes through. I know one that goes home,
1053
00:56:31.409 --> 00:56:35.420
almost winds up in the hospital helping people that are
1054
00:56:35.460 --> 00:56:40.320
extremely flippant, very critical. They think they can do it better.
1055
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:41.860
They're not going to, you know, they're not going to
1056
00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:45.679
do what this person says. You know, stop and think
1057
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:49.699
about this, folks. We've kind of lost our... we've got
1058
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:52.719
a little dehumanized here, you know, and that goes for
1059
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:56.489
ghosts too, because just like Hans Holzer said, you know,
1060
00:56:56.550 --> 00:56:58.269
I'm not afraid of ghosts are just people in need
1061
00:56:58.309 --> 00:56:58.630
of help.
1062
00:56:59.110 --> 00:56:59.369
Okay.
1063
00:56:59.650 --> 00:57:02.289
So there are people in need of help. It could
1064
00:57:02.309 --> 00:57:05.550
be you could be a relative. It could be an ancestor,
1065
00:57:05.909 --> 00:57:09.190
you know, at any time. So if you think of,
1066
00:57:09.210 --> 00:57:13.260
it's not a game, you know, it's more, Look, if
1067
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:15.079
we're going to go in here, we're going to try
1068
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:19.019
to communicate, find out why this person is here. I'll
1069
00:57:19.059 --> 00:57:20.929
tell a quick story that kind of tells a little bit.
1070
00:57:20.969 --> 00:57:23.829
It puts it all in perspective, if that's cool. Going
1071
00:57:23.869 --> 00:57:29.070
down to this cellar in Gettysburg. Listen, anybody who's listening
1072
00:57:29.090 --> 00:57:30.949
to the radio show tonight, both of them just went,
1073
00:57:31.070 --> 00:57:37.159
could we stop you? No. So we're going down to
1074
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:40.219
this damn cellar, right? And this is good people, right?
1075
00:57:40.900 --> 00:57:43.139
have this house. They just acquired this house. It happens
1076
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:45.199
to be on the edge of a battlefield and right
1077
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:47.079
smack dab in the middle of a lot of skirmishes.
1078
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:51.480
So there are quite a few ghosts camp out in
1079
00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:52.880
the cellar downstairs.
1080
00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:53.239
Why?
1081
00:57:53.300 --> 00:57:56.099
Don't ask me why ghosts like dark cellars and attics
1082
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:59.039
and quiet corners and things like that. Time is different
1083
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:01.880
to them. Things look different. I couldn't begin to tell
1084
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:04.900
you it's different with each one, but it seems to
1085
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:09.869
be a thing. And they tend to gather with other
1086
00:58:10.250 --> 00:58:12.909
spirits and then you've got other spirits that are there
1087
00:58:12.929 --> 00:58:14.510
in the same place they don't even know the other
1088
00:58:14.590 --> 00:58:17.820
ones exist so go figure so we go down in
1089
00:58:17.860 --> 00:58:20.679
the cellar and in there was a mixture of this
1090
00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:24.340
there was a mom uh she had uh two possibly
1091
00:58:24.380 --> 00:58:28.539
three kids i'm not 100 sure on that um with
1092
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:30.500
her and i'm not even sure they were all hers
1093
00:58:30.900 --> 00:58:32.800
i think she had gathered one and i think that's
1094
00:58:32.860 --> 00:58:35.860
why i was getting that off count but that's just
1095
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:38.929
a thought Then there was another one that kind of
1096
00:58:39.090 --> 00:58:42.889
a very more male, stronger energy that kind of was
1097
00:58:43.849 --> 00:58:46.269
in charge of the weaker ones, not in a bad way,
1098
00:58:46.309 --> 00:58:48.949
but in a protective way. Like, who are you? What
1099
00:58:48.969 --> 00:58:51.909
are you doing here? Kind of thing. And then there
1100
00:58:51.949 --> 00:58:59.150
were several Civil War era soldiers there. Never bothered to
1101
00:58:59.190 --> 00:59:00.929
ask them what side they were on. They didn't say.
1102
00:59:01.889 --> 00:59:07.550
They responded to both music. We played neutral music. we
1103
00:59:07.570 --> 00:59:10.699
didn't ask because, you know, we, just don't do that
1104
00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:14.079
i don't anyway um i tell them either way you're
1105
00:59:14.099 --> 00:59:17.670
my brother so there was another one that kind of
1106
00:59:17.730 --> 00:59:21.929
felt off now within this we had some that were
1107
00:59:22.210 --> 00:59:24.210
willing to listen to us we had to go in
1108
00:59:24.250 --> 00:59:28.659
i went in with uh other ex-soldiers The soldiers responded
1109
00:59:28.699 --> 00:59:32.039
well to everything we were doing. At the very end,
1110
00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:35.139
we did our thing where we kind of connected them
1111
00:59:35.179 --> 00:59:37.260
into the love energy and everything else. And it was
1112
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:44.969
lovely because the ghost, the mom that was there, you
1113
00:59:44.989 --> 00:59:48.269
could almost hear her talking to the kids. You know,
1114
00:59:48.289 --> 00:59:49.550
when we were saying, do you see the light? Do
1115
00:59:49.570 --> 00:59:51.730
you see the light? Everything really lightened up. You could
1116
00:59:51.869 --> 00:59:54.269
feel it happening in the room. Ask anybody that was there.
1117
00:59:54.610 --> 00:59:57.690
It was like 11 living humans down there. And at
1118
00:59:57.909 --> 01:00:04.409
least 12 to 14 ghosts, maybe more. So anyway, they
1119
01:00:04.449 --> 01:00:07.090
all kind of bunched up in these little sectioned off groups.
1120
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:08.679
It was kind of wild the way you felt it.
1121
01:00:08.739 --> 01:00:11.179
But you could almost hear her talking to the kids.
1122
01:00:11.300 --> 01:00:13.099
And at the very end, I said, do you see
1123
01:00:13.139 --> 01:00:15.090
that light, honey? Do you feel it? Do you feel it?
1124
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:17.800
You know, and she and I said, there it is.
1125
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:20.139
The love's right in there. Go get it. And she
1126
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:24.230
she stopped for a minute and you could feel something
1127
01:00:24.329 --> 01:00:26.630
changed in her voice. You could hear it come over that.
1128
01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:32.349
obvious thing I think it was. And she said, that's simple.
1129
01:00:34.070 --> 01:00:36.619
And I'm like, yeah, baby, that's simple. Go get it.
1130
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.039
And it was so cool. Pretty much cleared out the room.
1131
01:00:40.619 --> 01:00:43.900
There was one there that we needed to go get
1132
01:00:43.980 --> 01:00:47.690
somebody else. And that's okay in the paranormal, folks. You
1133
01:00:47.730 --> 01:00:49.949
got to learn when to step back, too, because there
1134
01:00:49.969 --> 01:00:52.610
might be somebody else there that these ghosts want to
1135
01:00:52.650 --> 01:00:55.030
connect with. And it's got nothing to do with you.
1136
01:00:55.389 --> 01:01:00.199
It's got nothing to do with ability or ego. All
1137
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:02.760
that shit's got to go because this is all about
1138
01:01:02.820 --> 01:01:05.900
energy and connection. So at that point in time, I
1139
01:01:05.980 --> 01:01:08.099
stepped back and my friend who was in the Navy,
1140
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:11.739
he stepped back. And we were both getting that this
1141
01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:15.440
guy was totally different time period, totally different change. He
1142
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:19.679
was there for somebody else and had a wholly different agenda.
1143
01:01:19.900 --> 01:01:21.980
Not a bad one, but more of a protective. We
1144
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:25.699
got finished business to finish here. And we had to
1145
01:01:25.739 --> 01:01:30.179
go get somebody else that could come and speak with
1146
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:35.730
this entity. and see what it was he wanted and
1147
01:01:35.769 --> 01:01:37.750
how we could help him. And then we had to
1148
01:01:37.789 --> 01:01:39.840
go on the other end to the person he wanted
1149
01:01:39.860 --> 01:01:43.119
to connect with and help on that end with the living.
1150
01:01:43.179 --> 01:01:44.980
So there was a place for everybody and the right
1151
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:47.820
tool for the job, you know, and a lot of
1152
01:01:47.940 --> 01:01:52.449
good paranormal investigators They know that in the groups they've
1153
01:01:52.510 --> 01:01:55.969
become fantastic over the past 20 something years. They really have,
1154
01:01:56.409 --> 01:01:58.289
you know, I know so many good ones that are
1155
01:01:58.369 --> 01:02:00.610
really deep into it like this and they get it,
1156
01:02:01.050 --> 01:02:04.639
you know? So that one, we just sorted it. And
1157
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:07.780
like I said earlier, sometimes you just got to give
1158
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:10.179
them the information. These things are possible. You can do
1159
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:12.880
these things. You can, you can work this out. You can,
1160
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:16.110
you know, whatever. And we're willing to help you do that,
1161
01:02:16.449 --> 01:02:19.000
you know? And it took another two years and then
1162
01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:21.719
that ghost finally crossed because he was done with the
1163
01:02:21.780 --> 01:02:23.860
living person that they had to deal with. He was
1164
01:02:23.909 --> 01:02:26.349
there to help that living person as well. So there's
1165
01:02:26.429 --> 01:02:29.269
so much to this. You can't just go in there
1166
01:02:29.829 --> 01:02:34.469
with a big stick of sage and, you know, whatever
1167
01:02:34.550 --> 01:02:36.550
else you want to toss at it and just, you know,
1168
01:02:36.650 --> 01:02:38.639
get on it, you know, do, you know, whatever. If
1169
01:02:38.699 --> 01:02:41.739
you could sit down and talk to them, that's fantastic
1170
01:02:41.780 --> 01:02:44.880
in that situation. But please, please, please don't treat them
1171
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:47.670
like pets or treat them mean or, go in there
1172
01:02:47.690 --> 01:02:50.760
provoking things because you'll meet some bad ones too. And
1173
01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:54.980
we all have those stories. So I hope that gives
1174
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:57.199
you an idea. That's one spot with a lot of
1175
01:02:57.239 --> 01:02:59.440
different situations. Every goes different.
1176
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:00.340
Yeah.
1177
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:00.880
Yeah.
1178
01:03:00.980 --> 01:03:04.530
Very well used to illustrate that several points there.
1179
01:03:05.230 --> 01:03:05.969
Very well said.
1180
01:03:06.030 --> 01:03:06.489
I agree.
1181
01:03:07.409 --> 01:03:08.090
Absolutely.
1182
01:03:08.829 --> 01:03:10.389
So I, like I said, I don't think it, it
1183
01:03:10.909 --> 01:03:13.530
has to do with, you know, I tend to come
1184
01:03:13.590 --> 01:03:16.360
off really, you know, look, uh, I'm too old to
1185
01:03:16.579 --> 01:03:21.099
screw around, you know? And I just, look, I will
1186
01:03:21.260 --> 01:03:23.559
give everybody a chance to, you know, give me, cause
1187
01:03:23.579 --> 01:03:26.159
there's always something to learn. There's always something to learn,
1188
01:03:26.539 --> 01:03:29.320
but please don't tell me that, you know, ghosts are
1189
01:03:29.500 --> 01:03:32.619
made out of green jello and that, you know, there's
1190
01:03:32.659 --> 01:03:36.119
nothing on the other side. It's just, and you know what,
1191
01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:39.090
in this world, here's another question. I'd love to hear
1192
01:03:39.110 --> 01:03:41.949
you both think in this world, maybe that's how their
1193
01:03:42.030 --> 01:03:45.599
world is going to be. Maybe they're manifesting that. Do
1194
01:03:45.619 --> 01:03:48.400
you see what I mean? Maybe that's what they're manifesting.
1195
01:03:48.420 --> 01:03:51.489
Maybe for them, there will be nothing. What do you think?
1196
01:03:51.739 --> 01:03:54.150
Yeah, I never thought about it that way. But yeah,
1197
01:03:55.070 --> 01:03:57.510
it's a possibility. I mean, I don't rule anything out
1198
01:03:57.650 --> 01:03:58.369
at this juncture.
1199
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:01.400
No, you know, I've never thought about that either. I mean,
1200
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:05.579
most of, with the ability that I have with the
1201
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:08.099
second side and dealing with people that are crossing over,
1202
01:04:08.739 --> 01:04:12.570
I've never seen a situation like that. But I'm sure,
1203
01:04:12.610 --> 01:04:15.179
you know, there are certain religions that believe that you
1204
01:04:15.219 --> 01:04:16.769
don't go to either place that you're going to be
1205
01:04:16.829 --> 01:04:20.289
reawakened at a time when there's Armageddon comes and there's
1206
01:04:20.309 --> 01:04:23.730
going to be 144,000 people that are going to inhabit
1207
01:04:23.769 --> 01:04:27.750
the earth and things like that. So maybe their reality
1208
01:04:27.829 --> 01:04:28.449
will be that.
1209
01:04:29.179 --> 01:04:31.610
Maybe more than one thing happens. Maybe more than one
1210
01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:34.449
thing happens. Yep, that's right. I don't know.
1211
01:04:34.469 --> 01:04:36.650
Yeah, I don't know either. None of us are going
1212
01:04:36.670 --> 01:04:37.409
to know until we get there.
1213
01:04:37.429 --> 01:04:40.349
Yeah, we don't know. I couldn't sleep last night. I
1214
01:04:40.389 --> 01:04:43.210
was hitting something and I needed something I hadn't heard
1215
01:04:43.289 --> 01:04:45.849
before that would catch my interest where I can just,
1216
01:04:46.369 --> 01:04:48.469
because I have to click in the part of my
1217
01:04:48.530 --> 01:04:53.800
brain that does deductive reasoning or my mind just plays
1218
01:04:53.900 --> 01:04:56.699
on tomorrow and today and, you know, like, you know,
1219
01:04:56.719 --> 01:04:59.190
your mind races. So I do that kind of stuff
1220
01:04:59.510 --> 01:05:02.130
to keep me occupied so I'll go to sleep. It's weird.
1221
01:05:02.829 --> 01:05:04.969
So I put on, I can't remember what it was,
1222
01:05:04.989 --> 01:05:10.670
it was just a real good mellow sounding story. And
1223
01:05:10.730 --> 01:05:13.469
it was a guy with a British accent and he
1224
01:05:13.869 --> 01:05:16.659
was talking about the things that happened at Skinwalker Ranch.
1225
01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:19.420
It was a two-parter. So it's quite a few things.
1226
01:05:19.780 --> 01:05:21.780
And it was the early stuff from the very beginning,
1227
01:05:21.820 --> 01:05:24.219
went all the way back, not the show that's on
1228
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:26.059
now or anything like that, way back to the beginning
1229
01:05:26.099 --> 01:05:29.119
when you had What was his name? Nass or whatever.
1230
01:05:29.139 --> 01:05:32.800
I like him too. From Coast to Coast. What's his name?
1231
01:05:34.900 --> 01:05:35.400
Art Bell?
1232
01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:37.760
No, not Art Bell. Art Bell liked him.
1233
01:05:38.389 --> 01:05:40.989
I know George Norrie is on there now.
1234
01:05:41.730 --> 01:05:43.710
Right. He's the other one. The one out of L.A.
1235
01:05:44.690 --> 01:05:45.210
I can't remember.
1236
01:05:45.309 --> 01:05:48.550
Oh, yeah, I can't think of his name right now either.
1237
01:05:48.670 --> 01:05:49.210
Not John B.
1238
01:05:49.250 --> 01:05:49.530
Wells.
1239
01:05:49.690 --> 01:05:51.780
I actually got to speak to John a couple times.
1240
01:05:52.260 --> 01:05:53.440
I know who you're.
1241
01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:56.739
Talking about, but I can't think of his name right now.
1242
01:05:56.780 --> 01:05:59.199
Yeah, but he deserves to be mentioned because he did
1243
01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:02.500
so much early work on Skinwalker Ranch, is who I mean.
1244
01:06:03.179 --> 01:06:05.329
People are probably screaming at the thing telling me his name.
1245
01:06:05.449 --> 01:06:09.010
I'll think of it in a minute. But anyway, they
1246
01:06:09.050 --> 01:06:12.329
went back. Man, the stuff that happened there. you know,
1247
01:06:12.670 --> 01:06:15.469
this thing that comes crawling out of the portal and
1248
01:06:15.489 --> 01:06:18.230
just runs up the side of the mountain. But the
1249
01:06:18.309 --> 01:06:21.320
way they told this story was amazing because they brought
1250
01:06:21.380 --> 01:06:25.260
in all of the aspects around it. You know, all
1251
01:06:25.300 --> 01:06:29.380
of the details of the smell, like a musk, they
1252
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:33.360
would smell this musk first, you know, you know, these
1253
01:06:33.429 --> 01:06:35.909
different kinds of things. And I'm like, man, this is just,
1254
01:06:36.389 --> 01:06:38.070
I love it when they go back to the old stuff,
1255
01:06:38.110 --> 01:06:41.940
because I believe something happened there, but this, I don't
1256
01:06:41.980 --> 01:06:45.219
know even what to say about the show. I, you know,
1257
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:48.699
I haven't seen the last season or whatever, but I
1258
01:06:48.739 --> 01:06:50.559
heard enough from the first and saw enough from the
1259
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:53.260
first to go, yeah, I'm not watching this because it
1260
01:06:53.340 --> 01:06:55.460
felt like Oak Island to me. It's like, you took
1261
01:06:55.500 --> 01:06:59.280
a great story and for 11 years, y'all been digging
1262
01:06:59.300 --> 01:07:03.159
this damn hole. And you know, it's, it's just the
1263
01:07:03.219 --> 01:07:05.340
next thing. It's the next thing. It's like that stinking
1264
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:08.809
rock that they were carrying around Steve. That rock from
1265
01:07:08.869 --> 01:07:10.449
Roanoke with the writing on it?
1266
01:07:10.869 --> 01:07:12.469
Yeah.
1267
01:07:13.449 --> 01:07:16.489
Looks like the old writing. It's right in that rock,
1268
01:07:16.590 --> 01:07:19.630
isn't it? Yeah, well, there's some pieces of sand down here,
1269
01:07:19.670 --> 01:07:24.119
and this sand is only found on the shores. Oh,
1270
01:07:24.300 --> 01:07:27.440
there's a kitten!
1271
01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:30.079
I'm sorry. I thought I had my thing.
1272
01:07:30.260 --> 01:07:31.159
It's a baby! Say hi.
1273
01:07:31.579 --> 01:07:33.340
I've got a herd of six five-week-old.
1274
01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:41.590
Barrel kittens, um, that were abandoned by the mama.
1275
01:07:42.179 --> 01:07:42.710
Oh no.
1276
01:07:42.849 --> 01:07:46.429
Um, so they are here with me learning how to
1277
01:07:46.489 --> 01:07:50.690
potty train and I'm feeding them. And I found a
1278
01:07:50.730 --> 01:07:53.630
mother to adopt them that had kind of only had
1279
01:07:53.710 --> 01:07:57.550
one kitten left. So she is kind of tubbing them, but, um,
1280
01:07:58.010 --> 01:08:00.659
I found a place that's a no kill facility. I'm
1281
01:08:00.699 --> 01:08:02.960
trying to give them away, but if I can't, they're
1282
01:08:02.980 --> 01:08:05.179
going to be going to a place that adopts them
1283
01:08:05.300 --> 01:08:07.289
out and we'll make sure that they get good homes.
1284
01:08:07.309 --> 01:08:09.789
That's how I got my babies. That's how I got
1285
01:08:09.829 --> 01:08:13.210
my babies. Oh God, that's wonderful. God bless them.
1286
01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:15.420
That's how I got my dog too. And I mean,
1287
01:08:15.460 --> 01:08:19.619
we've got cats too, but we can't have 10 animals. So,
1288
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:23.479
you know, it's just, but they're adorable. They're just doing
1289
01:08:23.500 --> 01:08:25.399
so many cute things. I'm enjoying them so much.
1290
01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:27.880
Oh, gosh. It's wonderful. Oh, kittens.
1291
01:08:28.340 --> 01:08:29.060
Oh, my God.
1292
01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:32.989
I get my glory with them. I love nature so much.
1293
01:08:33.729 --> 01:08:37.529
My whole life with animals has been great. I highly
1294
01:08:37.569 --> 01:08:39.529
recommend it. I think those little souls have been put
1295
01:08:39.590 --> 01:08:43.069
here just to show us what unconditional love is. They're
1296
01:08:43.170 --> 01:08:49.640
so supernatural animals. They are. Yeah, they're supernatural.
1297
01:08:49.819 --> 01:08:52.640
Yeah, I'm sorry. I keep turning my microphone off because
1298
01:08:52.699 --> 01:08:54.989
they had been sleeping and now they've awakened.
1299
01:08:55.010 --> 01:08:56.600
You do what you gotta do.
1300
01:08:57.279 --> 01:09:02.260
And they are all over the place. We've got a
1301
01:09:02.300 --> 01:09:04.680
freeway going through the litter box here because like four
1302
01:09:04.699 --> 01:09:05.979
of them will crawl in it at once.
1303
01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:07.699
And I'll use the bathroom.
1304
01:09:07.739 --> 01:09:10.439
Well, they're so tiny, but it's kind of funny because
1305
01:09:10.470 --> 01:09:12.750
they're just learning. So it's like monkey.
1306
01:09:12.810 --> 01:09:18.630
It's like, it's like. I've raised, I've raised more, more babies.
1307
01:09:18.729 --> 01:09:24.109
I just can't even tell you. But yeah, it's like, anyway,
1308
01:09:25.529 --> 01:09:28.449
Skinwalker Ranch, there's a lot of stuff going on there.
1309
01:09:28.470 --> 01:09:31.960
And I believe there's places like that, you know, I mean, gosh,
1310
01:09:31.979 --> 01:09:35.840
all these, I'm here lately out of nowhere, Steve, out
1311
01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:38.880
of nowhere. I'm not looking for it. It's in like
1312
01:09:39.140 --> 01:09:43.909
the natural news, you know, well, I'm sure my algorithm
1313
01:09:43.949 --> 01:09:46.250
or something has something to do with it. news they
1314
01:09:46.289 --> 01:09:49.149
show me, you know. They show me plenty I don't
1315
01:09:49.189 --> 01:09:50.720
want to see, so I don't know if I believe
1316
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:54.819
that or not. But I'm hearing portals. People are talking
1317
01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:56.699
about portals opening up in the Pine Barrens.
1318
01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:00.680
You were mentioning that to me earlier today. Can you
1319
01:10:01.619 --> 01:10:04.250
delve into that a little deeper? I wish I could.
1320
01:10:04.289 --> 01:10:06.529
No, I don't want to delve into no portals in
1321
01:10:06.550 --> 01:10:08.310
the Pine Barrens. I don't want to go in there
1322
01:10:08.329 --> 01:10:12.470
and not come back. The Pine Barrens are creepy. I
1323
01:10:12.510 --> 01:10:15.380
live right... I'm in the pine barrens. I'm not in
1324
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:17.960
the thicket of it. Let's put it that way. But
1325
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:23.479
the pine barrens are so... There's something about them. They're just...
1326
01:10:23.579 --> 01:10:26.500
It's creepy. You know, when you start getting into the
1327
01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:28.659
thickness of it, the pine trees, and then you've got
1328
01:10:28.699 --> 01:10:31.710
these scrub trees that are real low, and it's like
1329
01:10:31.770 --> 01:10:35.229
a thicket. It's almost like walking through... Oh, gosh. I
1330
01:10:35.270 --> 01:10:38.270
don't know. If you know what creeping juniper is, it's
1331
01:10:38.310 --> 01:10:40.609
that ground cover that's real sticky. It's like.
1332
01:10:42.109 --> 01:10:45.710
Evergreen tree but it's those briars and just all this
1333
01:10:45.789 --> 01:10:49.250
other stuff but there's a whole creepy feeling about this
1334
01:10:49.310 --> 01:10:52.880
and it's all like i want to say lower mid
1335
01:10:53.180 --> 01:10:56.739
jersey down on the east coast so it goes all
1336
01:10:56.760 --> 01:10:58.760
the way down to the south jersey and this is
1337
01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:02.699
of course where they filmed 13 uh what do you
1338
01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:07.319
call it friday the 13th crank camp crystal lake and
1339
01:11:07.340 --> 01:11:11.439
all that all that's here Yeah. Well, not the camp, but,
1340
01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:15.140
you know, camp similar to it. And it's just creepy.
1341
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:18.340
And I've been here in the past couple of weeks.
1342
01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:20.420
All of a sudden I'll see these little new news
1343
01:11:20.520 --> 01:11:23.159
articles and they're weird the way they pop up because it's,
1344
01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:24.729
you know, like when you open your computer, you got
1345
01:11:24.770 --> 01:11:27.409
Bing or you got Microsoft or whatever. They'll show you news.
1346
01:11:28.569 --> 01:11:30.470
And it's all these ads and things. And we first
1347
01:11:30.550 --> 01:11:32.569
open it up. Of course, most of them have it. Right.
1348
01:11:33.350 --> 01:11:34.649
So it's in one of that. And I'm like, what
1349
01:11:34.670 --> 01:11:37.340
do you mean portals in the Pine Barrens? And then
1350
01:11:37.359 --> 01:11:40.079
all of a sudden, something else on another device somewhere else,
1351
01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:43.560
or I'm overhearing a conversation about the Jersey Devil. All
1352
01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:45.729
of these things about the Pine Barrens the past three
1353
01:11:45.750 --> 01:11:48.649
weeks have been finding my ears or my eyes, and
1354
01:11:48.689 --> 01:11:51.109
I'm not looking for it. And I just think that's
1355
01:11:51.229 --> 01:11:55.229
so weird. And I've not heard anybody talk about, I've
1356
01:11:55.270 --> 01:11:57.510
heard people talk about portals in the forest, but nothing
1357
01:11:57.550 --> 01:12:01.310
specific to Pine Barrens. Now, me, I'm not a big
1358
01:12:01.350 --> 01:12:04.529
Jersey Devil person. It was one of those when I
1359
01:12:04.649 --> 01:12:08.210
first heard it, I was like, no, I'm not, you know,
1360
01:12:08.350 --> 01:12:11.449
it was just one of those. And I rarely do that.
1361
01:12:11.939 --> 01:12:14.380
You know, I mean, I always put it on the
1362
01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:17.810
shelf and always be like a possibility, but let's admit it.
1363
01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:20.079
Some are on the, you know, that dusty dark shelf
1364
01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:23.340
that you probably never, you know, it's like, it's like, okay,
1365
01:12:23.720 --> 01:12:25.520
I'm not going to quite buy it.
1366
01:12:26.060 --> 01:12:26.279
Yeah.
1367
01:12:26.510 --> 01:12:29.029
Yeah. You know, just, it's there just in case you
1368
01:12:29.050 --> 01:12:31.050
ever need to knock the dust off it. Cause that's happened.
1369
01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:36.649
That's right. But 13 kids and the last one was cursed. And,
1370
01:12:37.350 --> 01:12:40.890
you know, I think there's probably some truth somewhere in there.
1371
01:12:40.930 --> 01:12:43.090
There's a nugget of truth. There was probably a lady
1372
01:12:43.489 --> 01:12:47.529
that lived, you know, in a really rural cabin way
1373
01:12:47.569 --> 01:12:49.670
in the back and had a bunch of kids, you know,
1374
01:12:50.729 --> 01:12:54.869
something along those lines, because most of these stories and
1375
01:12:54.930 --> 01:12:58.199
stuff like there's one famous one, I won't say the name.
1376
01:12:58.630 --> 01:13:00.689
It supposedly had something to do with a witch. No,
1377
01:13:00.869 --> 01:13:03.649
there was no witch. There was no witch. She wasn't hung.
1378
01:13:04.770 --> 01:13:07.109
She was probably the lady that made some herbal tea.
1379
01:13:08.189 --> 01:13:10.890
She actually lived. There was a person that had that name.
1380
01:13:11.550 --> 01:13:13.350
But none of the other stuff is true. Everything else
1381
01:13:13.409 --> 01:13:15.970
is built off of it. And then you've got these
1382
01:13:16.170 --> 01:13:20.829
wonderful stories with so much fact and so many witnesses
1383
01:13:20.909 --> 01:13:23.399
and so much that you can prove. And people don't
1384
01:13:23.409 --> 01:13:28.210
believe them. I don't understand it. But to me, that's
1385
01:13:28.289 --> 01:13:31.069
the one with Jersey Devil. If there's something out there,
1386
01:13:31.890 --> 01:13:35.409
what the hell would be living that long that looks
1387
01:13:35.470 --> 01:13:40.270
like that, that supposedly flies? You know, is it possible? Sure,
1388
01:13:40.300 --> 01:13:44.380
it's possible. Do I think it was a cursed child
1389
01:13:44.439 --> 01:13:48.100
that the mom said, you know, I'm going to give
1390
01:13:48.140 --> 01:13:50.670
this one to the devil and it died? shot out
1391
01:13:50.710 --> 01:13:52.489
of her and went up the fireplace and lived out
1392
01:13:52.510 --> 01:13:55.289
in the Pine Barrens by itself, a baby. I don't
1393
01:13:55.310 --> 01:13:57.770
care if it's a feral baby with fangs and hooves
1394
01:13:57.869 --> 01:13:59.890
and all kind of, it's not going to survive in
1395
01:13:59.909 --> 01:14:03.630
the Pine Barrens without some help. It had to have
1396
01:14:03.670 --> 01:14:06.750
been supernatural crazy before it got here. It just doesn't
1397
01:14:06.770 --> 01:14:09.569
make any sense to me. You know, Bigfoot, I got
1398
01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:12.199
no problem with. Dogmen, no problem. You know, if you
1399
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:15.520
told me the government made flying babies that flew up fireplaces,
1400
01:14:15.579 --> 01:14:19.350
I'd probably believe that. But I just don't think that, uh,
1401
01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:25.270
I don't know. It sounds a little crazy. That's saying something.
1402
01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:26.159
I don't know.
1403
01:14:26.189 --> 01:14:27.270
What do you guys think?
1404
01:14:27.710 --> 01:14:30.930
In the Pine Barrens, what's happening? Are people walking through them?
1405
01:14:30.970 --> 01:14:32.270
Are people disappearing?
1406
01:14:32.289 --> 01:14:35.170
I don't know. I couldn't get any. It's just like
1407
01:14:35.189 --> 01:14:36.109
these little.
1408
01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:44.399
There's not any really like with the traffic report and
1409
01:14:44.500 --> 01:14:48.649
then oh yeah there's portals opening in the pine van
1410
01:14:48.659 --> 01:14:52.510
so be careful on your way to work everybody yeah
1411
01:14:52.710 --> 01:14:54.350
i think we lost cisco she'll be.
1412
01:14:54.289 --> 01:14:58.250
Back sorry i was just preparing a kitty formula to
1413
01:14:58.390 --> 01:15:01.770
uh do get ready to do my nightly feeding here
1414
01:15:02.369 --> 01:15:04.270
so but anyway yeah.
1415
01:15:04.109 --> 01:15:06.800
Cisco must have hit the wrong button and uh She'll
1416
01:15:06.840 --> 01:15:08.239
be back with us in a moment.
1417
01:15:08.779 --> 01:15:09.460
Good, good.
1418
01:15:09.520 --> 01:15:12.060
I mean, this has been such an interesting conversation. I
1419
01:15:12.100 --> 01:15:17.210
love hearing her experiences and yours, too. And so I'm
1420
01:15:17.250 --> 01:15:18.210
just happy to be here.
1421
01:15:18.729 --> 01:15:20.750
Yeah, always a good time.
1422
01:15:21.510 --> 01:15:24.840
While we're waiting on her, what's coming up new for you, Steve,
1423
01:15:24.899 --> 01:15:25.960
besides a baby boy?
1424
01:15:25.979 --> 01:15:30.460
Yeah, the baby's occupying everything right now. I've always got
1425
01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:33.760
new videos coming on Missing Persons and Mysteries and On
1426
01:15:33.779 --> 01:15:38.359
Tales Untold. And then this show is weekly. And I've
1427
01:15:38.380 --> 01:15:40.840
got another book I'm working on. This will be my
1428
01:15:41.140 --> 01:15:44.539
21st one. And there she is. She's back. Okay, there
1429
01:15:44.600 --> 01:15:50.050
she is. I fell through a portal. You fell through
1430
01:15:50.289 --> 01:15:50.909
a portal.
1431
01:15:51.550 --> 01:15:54.470
There she is. I touched my phone and I went
1432
01:15:54.510 --> 01:15:57.970
through a portal. Here I am again. Yeah, I don't know.
1433
01:15:58.729 --> 01:16:01.960
The stories, they really don't have a lot of information
1434
01:16:02.020 --> 01:16:06.619
in them. And there was a couple... places I can
1435
01:16:06.659 --> 01:16:08.699
look and dig up and get some more. I need
1436
01:16:08.729 --> 01:16:11.649
to find out, but I started, I dig in and
1437
01:16:11.689 --> 01:16:14.270
what happened was I started finding missing people in the
1438
01:16:14.310 --> 01:16:17.229
Pine Barrens. And that's when I found that story on
1439
01:16:17.270 --> 01:16:19.789
those two people that went missing on their RV and
1440
01:16:20.399 --> 01:16:23.460
they were found. I wish I could remember their names
1441
01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:25.399
and stuff like that, Steve, but I just found it
1442
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:27.119
this morning. I think I sent it over to you. Um,
1443
01:16:29.180 --> 01:16:33.800
It's a very strange story. Apparently, very well-liked couple. Nothing strange.
1444
01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:37.880
They weren't cooking meth in the parlor or nothing, apparently.
1445
01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:43.050
They weren't doing any other kind of weird, chicanery, shady stuff.
1446
01:16:43.350 --> 01:16:47.930
They were just nice, talk-over-the-fence neighbors and lived out there,
1447
01:16:49.409 --> 01:16:52.789
part of the Pine Barrens anyway, enough to have RVs
1448
01:16:52.909 --> 01:16:55.350
to go out into. That was one of the things
1449
01:16:55.380 --> 01:16:57.079
they did when they'd go out for a ride around,
1450
01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:00.279
I don't know, what they were going to see but
1451
01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:02.449
they did it often and they went out this one
1452
01:17:02.529 --> 01:17:05.109
night and that was it they weren't seen again and
1453
01:17:05.149 --> 01:17:08.750
i think that they i think i recall in the
1454
01:17:08.810 --> 01:17:12.649
story that they had not told anybody exactly where they
1455
01:17:12.689 --> 01:17:15.989
were going um so it was about four days after
1456
01:17:16.029 --> 01:17:18.880
they didn't come back where people just started you know wonder.
1457
01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:21.319
What happens a lot of these disappearances people don't leave
1458
01:17:21.340 --> 01:17:25.970
their itinerary with anybody just suddenly go somewhere That's literally
1459
01:17:26.010 --> 01:17:27.829
like looking for a needle in a haystack if you
1460
01:17:27.869 --> 01:17:30.270
don't even know where to start looking for somebody.
1461
01:17:30.850 --> 01:17:35.310
Goodness, I know. And people think you're being mean, especially
1462
01:17:35.829 --> 01:17:39.489
if they're kids. Oh, mom, just slap a GPS on
1463
01:17:39.529 --> 01:17:43.420
the son of a gun. Look, do you know how
1464
01:17:43.439 --> 01:17:53.020
many stories? Missing kids, toddlers, old people, Alzheimer's, mountain climbers, hikers, splunkers.
1465
01:17:55.270 --> 01:17:58.229
People going off missing all the time. It doesn't matter rich, poor,
1466
01:17:58.250 --> 01:17:58.909
or otherwise.
1467
01:18:02.590 --> 01:18:05.520
Especially in this day and age, you need to have
1468
01:18:05.529 --> 01:18:07.350
a buddy system where you at least reach out to
1469
01:18:07.399 --> 01:18:10.279
somebody and let them know where you're going and who
1470
01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:10.760
you're with.
1471
01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:11.560
Right.
1472
01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:14.079
Well, this was a couple. They had done it all
1473
01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:17.880
the time, supposedly. They're out there in their own yard.
1474
01:18:18.119 --> 01:18:21.119
I believe they said that they were found, was it
1475
01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:22.560
200 yards from their home?
1476
01:18:23.439 --> 01:18:25.479
Something like that it was fairly close and it was
1477
01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:27.840
an area previously searched that happens.
1478
01:18:28.720 --> 01:18:31.020
Yes that's why i had to send it to you
1479
01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:33.340
i'm like here we go again and now it's happening
1480
01:18:33.439 --> 01:18:36.010
out here i'm sure people have been gone listening to
1481
01:18:36.050 --> 01:18:37.840
pine bears for a long time people.
1482
01:18:37.590 --> 01:18:40.329
And then bringing them back it's like taunting those search
1483
01:18:40.369 --> 01:18:42.630
and rescue people like haha here they are where you've
1484
01:18:42.649 --> 01:18:43.449
already looked.
1485
01:18:43.710 --> 01:18:48.329
Yeah yeah and they've gotten so with i'm going to
1486
01:18:48.369 --> 01:18:50.930
be honest people i'm telling you we've gotten so used
1487
01:18:51.010 --> 01:18:53.409
to this we've been conditioned to believe that if it's
1488
01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:54.949
happening we're going to hear it on the news if
1489
01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:56.819
it's happening we're going to hear it read it in
1490
01:18:56.840 --> 01:19:00.020
the paper if it's you know whatever and that doesn't
1491
01:19:00.060 --> 01:19:05.000
necessarily happen and i'll give you a a instant movie
1492
01:19:05.720 --> 01:19:08.659
that will tell you exactly how it goes down jaws
1493
01:19:09.380 --> 01:19:14.760
because Anything that happens in a coastal town and tourism
1494
01:19:14.819 --> 01:19:16.750
depends on it, you're not going to hear about it.
1495
01:19:17.079 --> 01:19:20.420
I don't care how many people get robbed or pickpocketed
1496
01:19:20.500 --> 01:19:26.100
on the boardwalk or something happens or shark, you know, whatever.
1497
01:19:26.600 --> 01:19:29.079
I've seen all kinds of stuff go down and not
1498
01:19:29.140 --> 01:19:32.119
have anything on the news about it. So that's why
1499
01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:33.880
I'm hesitant about this portal thing.
1500
01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:36.899
If there's Bigfoot or feral people or UFOs or a
1501
01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:39.159
cult or whatever taking people out of the national park,
1502
01:19:39.819 --> 01:19:40.779
You're not going to hear about it.
1503
01:19:40.779 --> 01:19:41.699
You're not going to hear about it.
1504
01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:45.699
Gallenburg, Sevierville, Pigeon Forge, all those places would be a
1505
01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:46.279
ghost town.
1506
01:19:46.779 --> 01:19:50.819
Seven Lakes. I mean, yes, so many, so many.
1507
01:19:51.550 --> 01:19:54.210
That's true. That is so true. I mean, there's so
1508
01:19:54.250 --> 01:19:56.750
much that's not being shared, but it's because they want
1509
01:19:56.789 --> 01:20:00.409
to keep people going in the herd mentality in one direction.
1510
01:20:00.470 --> 01:20:03.819
It's all manipulation and control. You know, the what-ifs, if
1511
01:20:04.060 --> 01:20:07.079
the what-ifs were exposed to be truly what they are,
1512
01:20:07.100 --> 01:20:10.079
that they're not just what-ifs, then they wouldn't have the
1513
01:20:10.119 --> 01:20:12.359
control that they are trying to keep.
1514
01:20:12.380 --> 01:20:16.920
Yep. And granted, some people know it and do it anyway. Like,
1515
01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:18.600
I mean, if you don't know sharks are in the water,
1516
01:20:18.619 --> 01:20:22.229
I don't know what to tell you. But they're not telling.
1517
01:20:21.949 --> 01:20:24.970
You the frequency of the attack. I took a kayak
1518
01:20:25.069 --> 01:20:28.250
and went up that creek where the the stuff that
1519
01:20:28.289 --> 01:20:31.489
happened that inspired the book jaws happened i sent you
1520
01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:32.479
a video.
1521
01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:35.300
Yeah you did yeah that 1916 yeah it happened right
1522
01:20:35.340 --> 01:20:38.039
out here in front of uh right here and uh that.
1523
01:20:37.899 --> 01:20:43.659
Was creepy little tunnel bridge things and stuff and thinking
1524
01:20:43.699 --> 01:20:47.010
you know yeah there was a shark had swam up
1525
01:20:47.050 --> 01:20:49.029
in there at some point uh what would keep on
1526
01:20:49.050 --> 01:20:51.510
from swimming up there again do they have a a
1527
01:20:51.550 --> 01:20:53.170
net or a no sharks allowed sign.
1528
01:20:53.189 --> 01:20:55.590
How do they prevent that from happening these days?
1529
01:20:55.609 --> 01:20:57.529
That's exactly what they did. As soon as they put
1530
01:20:57.569 --> 01:21:02.449
up the no sharks allowed signs, everything stopped. They know
1531
01:21:02.470 --> 01:21:05.949
how to read. Uh, I actually heard a lady, we
1532
01:21:05.989 --> 01:21:08.470
had a lady that called in and everybody's going to
1533
01:21:08.489 --> 01:21:11.489
think it's fake, but it really wasn't. And she called
1534
01:21:11.630 --> 01:21:14.829
in and she was one of these radio shows out here,
1535
01:21:14.850 --> 01:21:17.930
you know, in the morning show morning, whatever. And, uh,
1536
01:21:19.329 --> 01:21:22.789
She called up and she was mad because, I'm sorry, Lynn,
1537
01:21:22.810 --> 01:21:25.439
but she had hit a deer and she was angry
1538
01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:27.180
about it. And she said, we need to put the
1539
01:21:27.220 --> 01:21:33.479
deer crossing sign in a much better place because the
1540
01:21:33.539 --> 01:21:35.819
deer shouldn't be able to cross here where so many
1541
01:21:35.899 --> 01:21:40.020
cars go by. Can't we put the deer crossing signs
1542
01:21:40.100 --> 01:21:44.420
in a slower traffic area? But she was serious. And
1543
01:21:44.500 --> 01:21:47.000
the morning, yeah, it was really funny because it went
1544
01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:49.659
all the way viral up to New York and stuff
1545
01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:52.520
like that. Because when you're in Jersey, New York, you know,
1546
01:21:52.699 --> 01:21:54.859
everything kind of bleeds into each other when it comes
1547
01:21:54.899 --> 01:21:57.659
to New York stations and things like that, rock and
1548
01:21:57.680 --> 01:22:02.489
roll stations and stuff. So they, yeah. And they at
1549
01:22:02.550 --> 01:22:05.090
first thought she was kidding. It was satire or parody
1550
01:22:05.149 --> 01:22:07.489
or something, but she was dead serious. And she didn't
1551
01:22:07.529 --> 01:22:11.050
even understand that unless they were really punked, she didn't
1552
01:22:11.090 --> 01:22:13.460
even understand what they were. Why they were asking her
1553
01:22:13.500 --> 01:22:16.739
so many questions about it. She's like, I just think
1554
01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:18.770
that they should. I mean, don't our tax dollars pay
1555
01:22:18.789 --> 01:22:20.210
for that? Who do we get a hold of? Do
1556
01:22:20.229 --> 01:22:23.189
we get a hold of the, you know, the city?
1557
01:22:23.210 --> 01:22:27.069
I'm tired of hitting these deer. We've got to move
1558
01:22:27.109 --> 01:22:28.789
these signs. It was funny.
1559
01:22:29.909 --> 01:22:33.460
Well, let me tell you what. I'm used to South Carolina.
1560
01:22:33.479 --> 01:22:36.539
Speaking of deer, I'm used to South Carolina deer. I
1561
01:22:36.579 --> 01:22:39.819
have never seen deer like the kind they had in Virginia.
1562
01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:42.199
I thought it was a horse laying in the road.
1563
01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:44.180
The thing was so thick. It was a, it was
1564
01:22:44.220 --> 01:22:52.869
a stag. So yeah. Yeah. They need to put a monster. Yeah, exactly.
1565
01:22:54.710 --> 01:22:55.109
Who knew?
1566
01:22:55.130 --> 01:22:56.130
Yeah.
1567
01:22:56.229 --> 01:22:58.529
That's sad. I mean, you know, it's sad for them too.
1568
01:22:58.550 --> 01:23:00.449
You think that they could put something on the cars
1569
01:23:00.529 --> 01:23:04.319
or some, some kind of a, an echo, I don't know,
1570
01:23:04.979 --> 01:23:07.529
vibe or frequency that goes out that, you know, I mean,
1571
01:23:07.550 --> 01:23:08.310
you can get that stuff.
1572
01:23:08.350 --> 01:23:12.029
They got those little noisemakers that supposedly frighten animals away,
1573
01:23:12.069 --> 01:23:15.069
but I don't know. Sometimes I think the animals will
1574
01:23:15.109 --> 01:23:16.470
come to see what all the racket is.
1575
01:23:16.489 --> 01:23:19.779
I agree. Maybe so. Or maybe it was just a
1576
01:23:19.819 --> 01:23:24.380
deer that just, you know, had enough, you know? I mean,
1577
01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:28.090
it's gotta be rough, you know? I don't know. I
1578
01:23:28.350 --> 01:23:31.149
just think it's sad. I always feel so bad for
1579
01:23:31.289 --> 01:23:33.680
animals who have had to adjust their lives so much
1580
01:23:33.729 --> 01:23:35.689
around our, you know, our....
1581
01:23:37.819 --> 01:23:38.439
Encroachment.
1582
01:23:39.140 --> 01:23:43.039
Yeah, I was going to say our grotesque, you know,
1583
01:23:43.119 --> 01:23:47.739
materialistic bullshit. But, you know, I've got eagles right to
1584
01:23:47.779 --> 01:23:50.239
my left right now where I'm sitting. I've got eagles
1585
01:23:50.279 --> 01:23:53.300
to my left probably about a block away in a
1586
01:23:53.340 --> 01:23:55.600
cell tower. They got a nest in a cell tower.
1587
01:23:56.460 --> 01:23:56.699
Okay?
1588
01:23:57.149 --> 01:24:03.670
Which is so sad. And I've watched the raccoons, you know, they've,
1589
01:24:04.109 --> 01:24:06.479
they've got become amazing. They've learned how to do so
1590
01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:08.319
much stuff. I mean, people have to put locks on
1591
01:24:08.340 --> 01:24:10.539
the garbage cans and they figured it locks out, you know,
1592
01:24:10.619 --> 01:24:13.500
open gates, you know, they'll come here and unhook my
1593
01:24:13.539 --> 01:24:15.520
bird feeders and just hand it down to the next
1594
01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:18.920
raccoon and just open it up and eat it all. Animals.
1595
01:24:20.949 --> 01:24:21.210
Yeah.
1596
01:24:21.430 --> 01:24:23.069
The next day, it looks like I got candy bars
1597
01:24:23.109 --> 01:24:25.130
going all the way up and down my driveway because
1598
01:24:25.149 --> 01:24:29.029
they ate so much bird seed. Their poop looks like
1599
01:24:29.850 --> 01:24:35.189
Snick-a-Zag-Nut bars or something. I mean, bird seeds really, you know,
1600
01:24:35.250 --> 01:24:37.989
and it's going up. So you can't. I've done all
1601
01:24:38.029 --> 01:24:40.210
kinds of things. I've hooked them. I've wired them. And
1602
01:24:40.810 --> 01:24:43.529
they sit there. They figure it out. They're going to
1603
01:24:43.550 --> 01:24:45.310
get it. You can't put a suet out here. We'll
1604
01:24:45.329 --> 01:24:48.409
take the suet feeder. One night, they just broke the
1605
01:24:48.449 --> 01:24:49.909
branch off the tree, took the whole damn thing.
1606
01:24:50.699 --> 01:24:52.739
I mean, it wasn't a huge brand. We'll just break
1607
01:24:52.779 --> 01:24:54.260
the limb and take the whole thing.
1608
01:24:54.600 --> 01:24:58.989
I was like five stars. Five stars. I gave them
1609
01:24:59.069 --> 01:25:02.449
five stars review. I mean, that was just okay. I
1610
01:25:02.489 --> 01:25:05.149
got to hand it to you. I'm not buying any
1611
01:25:05.170 --> 01:25:06.880
more suet, but I got to hand it to you.
1612
01:25:06.909 --> 01:25:09.720
That was a good one. Yeah, I wired it so
1613
01:25:09.779 --> 01:25:11.680
good that they couldn't figure out how to get it off,
1614
01:25:11.699 --> 01:25:13.579
so they just broke off the branch, and I was like,
1615
01:25:14.260 --> 01:25:15.039
power to you, man.
1616
01:25:16.359 --> 01:25:18.939
That's smart thinking. They're on the Bracken's part.
1617
01:25:19.789 --> 01:25:21.729
I'm just telling you, that's, you know, but look, they've
1618
01:25:21.770 --> 01:25:23.729
had to, you know. Yeah.
1619
01:25:24.060 --> 01:25:26.479
Yeah. You know, I mean, you drive down the road
1620
01:25:26.579 --> 01:25:29.220
and you might see a deer, you know, watch for
1621
01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:31.340
deer sign. And they're literally standing on the side of
1622
01:25:31.380 --> 01:25:35.779
the interstate with their babies eating. You know, they're not
1623
01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:38.279
afraid of the lights anymore. They're not even afraid of
1624
01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:41.159
a tooting horn. And then eventually they decide to walk
1625
01:25:41.229 --> 01:25:41.739
in the road.
1626
01:25:42.170 --> 01:25:44.229
I hate to see it. I love to see him
1627
01:25:44.270 --> 01:25:45.649
in my yard. I get him in my yard once
1628
01:25:45.710 --> 01:25:48.649
in a while. I see him going around and I
1629
01:25:48.689 --> 01:25:51.010
watched him eat. eat one of my trees and I
1630
01:25:51.029 --> 01:25:55.390
didn't even care. I was just so glad. I'm an
1631
01:25:55.449 --> 01:25:57.149
idiot that's going around the next day going, we're going
1632
01:25:57.170 --> 01:25:59.069
to get an apple block, you know, to put it
1633
01:25:59.130 --> 01:26:02.470
out there. But yeah, I just, we got to take
1634
01:26:02.510 --> 01:26:04.289
care of it. You know, we got to take care
1635
01:26:04.310 --> 01:26:08.520
of nature. And I think, I think all this stuff
1636
01:26:08.539 --> 01:26:12.260
we're talking about is just as natural. And that's what
1637
01:26:12.300 --> 01:26:15.260
gets me. I watch people get so upset about all,
1638
01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:17.779
because you don't, people are upset and scared of what
1639
01:26:17.800 --> 01:26:20.859
they don't understand. I get that. totally get it. And
1640
01:26:20.880 --> 01:26:24.899
there's such a realm in this paranormal. I mean, you
1641
01:26:24.939 --> 01:26:28.750
could go everything from the Jersey devil. And again, just
1642
01:26:28.810 --> 01:26:35.029
because I don't believe the, the origin story of the
1643
01:26:35.069 --> 01:26:38.170
Jersey devil, you know, that doesn't mean I don't believe
1644
01:26:38.210 --> 01:26:40.529
in curses. It doesn't mean I don't believe that something
1645
01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:43.520
like that be, you know, anything like that could be
1646
01:26:43.560 --> 01:26:46.140
out in the woods. Look, there's all kinds of shit
1647
01:26:46.180 --> 01:26:49.329
out there. I don't know, you know, There's some stuff
1648
01:26:49.390 --> 01:26:49.850
out there.
1649
01:26:49.869 --> 01:26:52.569
There's all kinds of shit out there. I don't think
1650
01:26:52.649 --> 01:26:54.829
I want to know. There's all kinds of stuff that
1651
01:26:54.869 --> 01:26:58.350
we don't have any idea about. For everything that's been reported,
1652
01:26:58.369 --> 01:27:03.029
there's probably another half dozen that people haven't run into yet.
1653
01:27:03.649 --> 01:27:06.500
A thousand times more than the devil, whatever this is.
1654
01:27:08.970 --> 01:27:10.510
thing is i mean i don't even know how old
1655
01:27:10.529 --> 01:27:12.930
that story is supposed to go way back with like
1656
01:27:13.430 --> 01:27:18.229
what 1500 1600 or something yeah so i mean in
1657
01:27:18.310 --> 01:27:23.710
what in what world you know now that's what i'm
1658
01:27:23.789 --> 01:27:26.630
saying that doesn't make sense to me there'd be one
1659
01:27:26.710 --> 01:27:29.489
creature for all that amount of time and wouldn't it
1660
01:27:29.550 --> 01:27:32.550
just get look it i'm take my words for it
1661
01:27:32.630 --> 01:27:36.449
folks it'd get tired of jersey the first century You know,
1662
01:27:36.750 --> 01:27:38.670
it'd be gone. You know, it'd be out there doing
1663
01:27:38.689 --> 01:27:41.229
something out in Hawaii, having a good time. I don't know.
1664
01:27:41.529 --> 01:27:44.659
I'm just saying, why there? You know, now, is there
1665
01:27:44.760 --> 01:27:48.079
something there, a creature of some sort? Is there probably
1666
01:27:48.100 --> 01:27:49.760
dog men out there, Bigfoot?
1667
01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:51.720
There's all kinds of stuff. Like you said, there's all
1668
01:27:51.739 --> 01:27:53.979
kinds of shit in the Pine Barrens. I've heard stories
1669
01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:59.600
out there. The guy that found a pizza in a
1670
01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:02.340
box out there. And that was the same guy that
1671
01:28:02.380 --> 01:28:05.859
observed somebody wearing only a cloud mask and tube socks.
1672
01:28:06.479 --> 01:28:08.319
picking his way through the briar patch, but he said
1673
01:28:08.359 --> 01:28:10.479
that was a story for another time. So I never
1674
01:28:10.520 --> 01:28:11.619
did get to hear that one.
1675
01:28:12.180 --> 01:28:18.619
That's crazy. Just my absolute favorite story. The guy in
1676
01:28:18.659 --> 01:28:21.239
the tube socks and the clam picking his way very,
1677
01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:26.460
very gingerly through the briar patch. I bet he was.
1678
01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:29.880
Cause I'll tell you that stuff's about waist high. You know,
1679
01:28:30.380 --> 01:28:34.020
that it's, it's a thick, it's really strange. It's, it's
1680
01:28:34.100 --> 01:28:38.659
almost like a, Like if you said, if I said
1681
01:28:38.680 --> 01:28:42.899
the word scrub, pine to you, that gives you a
1682
01:28:42.979 --> 01:28:48.939
visual of just some really gnarly, short, little, bushy kind of,
1683
01:28:49.649 --> 01:28:52.159
that's what it's like. Mixed in with Breyers.
1684
01:28:52.460 --> 01:28:54.779
That and Breyers. It's not something I'd want to run
1685
01:28:54.819 --> 01:28:55.960
bare ass through. That's for sure.
1686
01:28:55.979 --> 01:28:58.520
This is what I mean. And this couple, the one
1687
01:28:58.539 --> 01:29:01.319
that we talked about that went missing, was found side
1688
01:29:01.380 --> 01:29:05.840
by side. Okay? And if I recall correctly, not far
1689
01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:09.880
from their RV. They hadn't, to my knowledge, anything wrong
1690
01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:12.939
with it. Out of gas or otherwise. I didn't hear,
1691
01:29:13.659 --> 01:29:16.430
you know, the RV. And they're laying there side by side.
1692
01:29:16.810 --> 01:29:18.869
Like you said, Steve, in a place that had been
1693
01:29:18.890 --> 01:29:20.529
searched before several times.
1694
01:29:21.279 --> 01:29:24.079
Yeah, just doesn't make any sense. But, yeah, it happens,
1695
01:29:24.180 --> 01:29:25.420
and it happens often.
1696
01:29:26.100 --> 01:29:29.069
And this was, I think, 20. Do you recall the date, Steve?
1697
01:29:29.170 --> 01:29:30.609
It was 22, wasn't it?
1698
01:29:31.569 --> 01:29:32.170
I think so.
1699
01:29:32.630 --> 01:29:34.449
Yeah, I think so. I think it was at least
1700
01:29:34.489 --> 01:29:38.090
maybe a year, maybe 21, somewhere around two years maybe ago.
1701
01:29:38.390 --> 01:29:40.449
And I never heard a word about it. Never heard
1702
01:29:40.470 --> 01:29:45.949
a word about it here. I'm sitting right here. My county,
1703
01:29:46.029 --> 01:29:49.689
my police, my search and rescue, all of that right here,
1704
01:29:49.909 --> 01:29:53.250
never heard a word about it. Just, this is what
1705
01:29:53.289 --> 01:29:53.689
I'm saying.
1706
01:29:53.729 --> 01:29:55.800
You'd think they'd come around and say, folks, there's all
1707
01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:57.680
kinds of shit out there. Be careful. If you're going
1708
01:29:57.699 --> 01:30:00.380
into the woods, let somebody know where you're going, when
1709
01:30:00.420 --> 01:30:03.420
you're going to be back, take something with you and
1710
01:30:03.640 --> 01:30:05.180
be careful.
1711
01:30:05.779 --> 01:30:06.800
And how many people?
1712
01:30:06.859 --> 01:30:09.779
Until dozens of people. And then maybe we should check
1713
01:30:09.850 --> 01:30:13.229
into that. Maybe we should warn the people here.
1714
01:30:13.710 --> 01:30:16.930
And to have them check in with somebody like every
1715
01:30:16.930 --> 01:30:20.020
45 minutes or hour, just to make sure. You know,
1716
01:30:20.159 --> 01:30:23.220
so at least they have a time frame of where
1717
01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:25.710
their last, you know, if they're hiking in the woods,
1718
01:30:26.050 --> 01:30:29.149
what marker or what, you know, type thing that they
1719
01:30:29.250 --> 01:30:31.670
may be near. So that if they do disappear, they
1720
01:30:31.710 --> 01:30:34.270
have a, you know, a closer starting point to where
1721
01:30:34.489 --> 01:30:35.409
the incident occurred.
1722
01:30:36.170 --> 01:30:39.229
Well, that would make too much damn sense. Because look,
1723
01:30:39.600 --> 01:30:45.520
how many shows have Steve done on missing persons? And
1724
01:30:46.130 --> 01:30:47.989
one after the other after the other. And some of
1725
01:30:48.029 --> 01:30:51.670
them shows got 5, 10, 15 people in them. Steve,
1726
01:30:51.729 --> 01:30:52.270
am I right?
1727
01:30:53.199 --> 01:30:57.220
Yeah, yeah. Some of those are compilations. There's 10 or
1728
01:30:57.220 --> 01:30:57.939
12 or more.
1729
01:30:57.960 --> 01:31:00.260
You can't just go by the amount of videos.
1730
01:31:00.300 --> 01:31:02.279
And this man's been doing it for a long time.
1731
01:31:02.770 --> 01:31:06.449
And you're not the only one. And y'all might not
1732
01:31:06.489 --> 01:31:10.449
match up on every case either. So imagine the amount
1733
01:31:10.750 --> 01:31:14.149
of this type of thing happening and nobody's telling you.
1734
01:31:14.550 --> 01:31:16.770
And I'm sitting here telling you as a coastal town.
1735
01:31:17.659 --> 01:31:20.319
You know, Jaws, they're not going to tell you that
1736
01:31:20.359 --> 01:31:22.720
sharks and daggum what they're going to open the beaches.
1737
01:31:22.859 --> 01:31:25.550
And you're I'm telling you, it's going to happen. It's
1738
01:31:25.560 --> 01:31:28.670
seen to happen. I've seen gone through hurricanes where they said,
1739
01:31:29.189 --> 01:31:33.439
you know, oh, didn't lose anybody. We only lost 100 people. And,
1740
01:31:33.449 --> 01:31:36.510
you know, daggum, well, you saw five, six hundred, you know,
1741
01:31:36.869 --> 01:31:40.909
your very own eyes. time after time after time after
1742
01:31:40.979 --> 01:31:43.039
time and not just here so when you hear it
1743
01:31:43.079 --> 01:31:46.260
happen somewhere else you're more likely to go yeah i've
1744
01:31:46.279 --> 01:31:49.319
seen it happen here so when somebody like elijah steve
1745
01:31:49.380 --> 01:31:52.890
and i had i remember little elijah uh steve he
1746
01:31:52.909 --> 01:31:57.770
comes on after from uh long uh long what's it
1747
01:31:57.789 --> 01:32:00.609
called again land between the lakes right so land between
1748
01:32:00.630 --> 01:32:03.680
the lakes is which is there right after Tennessee.
1749
01:32:03.720 --> 01:32:05.720
Elijah and his sister Gabby.
1750
01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:08.199
Oh, good, yeah. I'm sorry, yes.
1751
01:32:08.239 --> 01:32:10.180
Correct.
1752
01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:15.859
Yeah, so it's Kentucky-Tennessee border, pretty much. It's right there. And,
1753
01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:20.659
I mean, just one after the other after the other dogmen,
1754
01:32:20.699 --> 01:32:26.430
Bigfoot sightings, okay? From reputable people, You know, retired police
1755
01:32:26.569 --> 01:32:30.090
officers couldn't tell it until they were out. You know,
1756
01:32:30.130 --> 01:32:33.210
just the list goes on and on. Stephen can back
1757
01:32:33.229 --> 01:32:36.729
me on that. So all these people are having all
1758
01:32:36.770 --> 01:32:41.869
these experiences. And the park, covering it up. You know,
1759
01:32:41.949 --> 01:32:45.239
name one that isn't. I mean, how many people go
1760
01:32:45.260 --> 01:32:47.979
missing out of, you know, some of these other bigger parks,
1761
01:32:48.020 --> 01:32:48.319
you know?
1762
01:32:48.600 --> 01:32:52.640
Yosemite, it's a smaller park than the Great Smoky. Sees
1763
01:32:52.760 --> 01:32:55.819
only about half the visitors. The Great Smokies, but it's
1764
01:32:55.859 --> 01:32:58.300
got like three times the number of missing people. So
1765
01:32:58.340 --> 01:33:01.409
there's something going on in Yosemite. There's a major cluster there.
1766
01:33:02.090 --> 01:33:03.590
Yep. Yep. Yeah.
1767
01:33:03.750 --> 01:33:07.170
And then I think the only place they don't have
1768
01:33:07.189 --> 01:33:08.689
them is straight up the middle, right, Steve?
1769
01:33:09.289 --> 01:33:09.489
Yeah.
1770
01:33:09.909 --> 01:33:13.090
And they probably have them, but not as much or
1771
01:33:13.130 --> 01:33:16.909
not the same type of clusters or whatever. I don't know. But,
1772
01:33:16.949 --> 01:33:21.180
you know, again, I understand the people that go like
1773
01:33:21.220 --> 01:33:23.239
that young man. Who was that actor that just went
1774
01:33:23.279 --> 01:33:26.909
up the mountain? I think he went on January 14th
1775
01:33:26.970 --> 01:33:27.649
on my birthday.
1776
01:33:27.810 --> 01:33:28.689
Julian Sands?
1777
01:33:29.229 --> 01:33:29.449
Yeah.
1778
01:33:29.970 --> 01:33:32.770
You know, I don't find anything nefarious about that. I
1779
01:33:32.789 --> 01:33:34.630
think the man just went up there and got in
1780
01:33:34.670 --> 01:33:38.210
deeper than he thought. Something happened. You know, equipment malfunctioned.
1781
01:33:38.229 --> 01:33:39.229
He malfunctioned.
1782
01:33:39.250 --> 01:33:42.050
Yeah, that was up on Mount Baldy. But I will
1783
01:33:42.090 --> 01:33:45.250
tell you, that's a weird place. There's a full pipe
1784
01:33:45.350 --> 01:33:47.949
up there used for irrigation purposes. But I've been up
1785
01:33:48.010 --> 01:33:51.859
there back in the 70s skateboarding in it. And we
1786
01:33:51.880 --> 01:33:54.180
spent the night up there. We got caught up there
1787
01:33:54.199 --> 01:33:58.100
and couldn't get our hitchhike back down. And we heard
1788
01:33:58.279 --> 01:34:01.119
all kinds of stuff up there, people talking and laughing
1789
01:34:01.180 --> 01:34:02.920
and stuff. And as far as I know, we were
1790
01:34:02.939 --> 01:34:06.359
the only ones up there. So there's a strangeness on
1791
01:34:06.399 --> 01:34:07.020
Mount Baldy.
1792
01:34:07.739 --> 01:34:07.930
Yep.
1793
01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:10.670
You know, I think just about anywhere, pick a spot
1794
01:34:10.689 --> 01:34:13.289
that isn't. You know, here I am. I've got this
1795
01:34:14.229 --> 01:34:19.069
woman with babies flying up fireplaces and stuff. Again, there
1796
01:34:19.170 --> 01:34:22.680
is a legend everywhere. I don't get it why you
1797
01:34:22.699 --> 01:34:24.399
got to make stuff up when there's so much other
1798
01:34:24.439 --> 01:34:28.779
shit going on that's, you know. And again, there could
1799
01:34:28.819 --> 01:34:31.039
very well be a creature out there that got himself
1800
01:34:31.100 --> 01:34:34.380
a cabin we've never bumped into. You know, that could
1801
01:34:34.399 --> 01:34:38.140
be invisible. I don't know. You know, but what's it
1802
01:34:38.180 --> 01:34:41.899
doing out there since, you know, 1500 and whatever? You know,
1803
01:34:42.460 --> 01:34:44.979
is it breeding? And if it is, what's it breeding with?
1804
01:34:45.039 --> 01:34:46.100
The Chihuahua next door?
1805
01:34:46.180 --> 01:34:49.800
It's hiding its time and waiting for its next unsuspecting victim.
1806
01:34:50.420 --> 01:34:51.300
Is that what's happening?
1807
01:34:51.340 --> 01:34:53.060
That would be my guess.
1808
01:34:53.500 --> 01:34:55.800
And who's the guy in the clown mask? His accomplice?
1809
01:34:56.659 --> 01:34:59.279
Is the naked guy in the clown mask and tube
1810
01:34:59.300 --> 01:35:02.500
socks his Renfield?
1811
01:35:03.260 --> 01:35:04.140
Probably.
1812
01:35:04.680 --> 01:35:07.859
Now there's a legend right there. A little bit more
1813
01:35:07.899 --> 01:35:09.100
work and we can make that one.
1814
01:35:09.619 --> 01:35:11.939
You can't even make stuff like that up. I mean,
1815
01:35:11.960 --> 01:35:14.439
you hear some of the weirdest stories about places like that.
1816
01:35:14.899 --> 01:35:17.310
You don't have to make anything silly or crazy.
1817
01:35:17.319 --> 01:35:17.930
That's what I mean.
1818
01:35:18.899 --> 01:35:23.560
The stuff that normal people tell you. That's what I mean.
1819
01:35:24.449 --> 01:35:26.409
And on top of that, you know, they say that that's,
1820
01:35:26.550 --> 01:35:29.090
that's the number, like we always used to joke too,
1821
01:35:29.109 --> 01:35:31.729
because I was raised that family. I told you where
1822
01:35:31.750 --> 01:35:34.949
I went to stay with very Italian, very Jersey Italian.
1823
01:35:35.850 --> 01:35:38.510
And that world was opened up to me. So the,
1824
01:35:38.970 --> 01:35:42.260
that dinner table talk was interesting because you have both
1825
01:35:42.340 --> 01:35:44.779
sides of it. And I'm out here in high school
1826
01:35:44.840 --> 01:35:47.119
and I was in it. Let me tell you something.
1827
01:35:47.140 --> 01:35:51.930
When Rocky came out, Good Lord. I mean, just all
1828
01:35:52.010 --> 01:35:57.449
kinds of, you know, and it was all this underlying,
1829
01:35:57.489 --> 01:35:59.640
you know, the, you know, with the Pine Barrens, that's
1830
01:35:59.649 --> 01:36:04.140
where they dump all the bodies, you know, and the Meadowlands,
1831
01:36:04.180 --> 01:36:06.659
and that's where they dump all the, every, listen, there's
1832
01:36:06.699 --> 01:36:08.539
got to be a lot of bodies, because they probably
1833
01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:12.659
were buried everywhere, you know, sand dunes, and, you know,
1834
01:36:12.699 --> 01:36:15.380
you got, if any, if anybody ever saw Boardwalk Empire,
1835
01:36:16.340 --> 01:36:18.520
which was a great series, by the way, just a
1836
01:36:18.649 --> 01:36:22.350
fantastically done series, but it had Steve Buscemi in it.
1837
01:36:22.489 --> 01:36:25.829
And the whole thing is he was playing, oh, what's
1838
01:36:25.869 --> 01:36:31.029
his name? Nutley, Nutsy, Nutsy. Oh, Nucky, Nucky, Nucky. What's
1839
01:36:31.069 --> 01:36:35.880
his face from Atlantic city back in the day when
1840
01:36:35.899 --> 01:36:39.239
it was just coming up, you know, it was nothing
1841
01:36:39.300 --> 01:36:43.359
but sand, you know, and they put in the first
1842
01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:47.729
hotels and stuff. Listen to hotels. and the gambling places
1843
01:36:47.770 --> 01:36:51.390
like that, all that happened before the boardwalk because right
1844
01:36:51.430 --> 01:36:55.779
around before, right before he got involved, there was no boardwalk.
1845
01:36:56.340 --> 01:36:59.319
The boardwalk was put in there because people kept dragging
1846
01:36:59.340 --> 01:37:03.500
the sand into the hotels. So somebody came up with
1847
01:37:03.539 --> 01:37:05.960
the idea. I think it was there. It was either,
1848
01:37:05.979 --> 01:37:08.649
I know it wasn't Asbury. I'm pretty sure it was
1849
01:37:08.699 --> 01:37:11.829
Atlantic city. Somebody can correct me on it, but they
1850
01:37:12.210 --> 01:37:15.189
came up with the idea of putting boards out with the,
1851
01:37:15.899 --> 01:37:18.500
the spaceman between them so the sand would fall down
1852
01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:20.699
and they went the other way like from the beach
1853
01:37:20.880 --> 01:37:24.220
into the hotel and then eventually somebody decided to turn
1854
01:37:24.239 --> 01:37:26.229
it sideways and make it walk in front of all
1855
01:37:26.239 --> 01:37:29.149
of them so that was kind of cool and that's
1856
01:37:29.170 --> 01:37:30.689
how you got your boardwalk.
1857
01:37:30.270 --> 01:37:32.590
I didn't know the the origin story of the boardwalk
1858
01:37:32.609 --> 01:37:36.609
there but that's fascinating and it makes sense yeah it's simple.
1859
01:37:36.390 --> 01:37:39.130
Just something simple and eventually it got lifted up because
1860
01:37:39.210 --> 01:37:42.020
you know the they were learning the tides and the
1861
01:37:42.079 --> 01:37:44.939
tables and, you know, things sorted itself out. By the
1862
01:37:44.979 --> 01:37:47.880
time you got to where Nucky and all them were,
1863
01:37:48.079 --> 01:37:50.659
you know, really starting to kick in with the, you know,
1864
01:37:50.729 --> 01:37:55.010
all of that politics and gambling and blackmailing and chicanery and,
1865
01:37:55.189 --> 01:37:59.890
you know, organized crime and stuff, you know, it's wild
1866
01:37:59.909 --> 01:38:02.289
to think of it as nothing but some sand dunes
1867
01:38:02.369 --> 01:38:06.039
and a lot of wild grass and, and waves and
1868
01:38:06.100 --> 01:38:10.239
stuff like that. And where I'm at too is, You know,
1869
01:38:10.380 --> 01:38:12.600
every single beach here has got its origin, you know,
1870
01:38:12.640 --> 01:38:14.760
how it came out. But the biggest ones, you know,
1871
01:38:15.359 --> 01:38:17.180
Asbury Park has got a good one, too. And it
1872
01:38:17.220 --> 01:38:20.869
was Asbury Park, everybody's heard of because of Springsteen and
1873
01:38:21.189 --> 01:38:24.409
things like that, Stone Pony. But next to that is
1874
01:38:24.449 --> 01:38:29.770
also Bradley Beach. And osbury got its start because these
1875
01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:33.159
bigwigs would come in from new york and they'd go
1876
01:38:33.199 --> 01:38:35.479
out there and they'd start walking along you know the
1877
01:38:35.619 --> 01:38:37.260
ocean and get the ocean air and it was a
1878
01:38:37.279 --> 01:38:39.039
big deal that's where they were top hats to the
1879
01:38:39.079 --> 01:38:41.819
beach and women wore at least like six skirts and
1880
01:38:41.899 --> 01:38:46.060
big hats and umbrellas and stuff but he went and
1881
01:38:46.119 --> 01:38:48.380
he got this idea and his last name was bradley
1882
01:38:48.810 --> 01:38:52.890
And he got the idea that laying out with his,
1883
01:38:53.850 --> 01:38:58.060
in quotations in his biography, it actually says man-servant. So,
1884
01:38:58.989 --> 01:39:02.020
you know, your mileage may vary. And they would lay
1885
01:39:02.140 --> 01:39:07.779
out on the beach naked and take in the healing
1886
01:39:07.859 --> 01:39:11.140
salt air, very much like Ben Franklin would take air baths.
1887
01:39:11.979 --> 01:39:14.399
And he thought it would be a wonderful, healthy thing.
1888
01:39:14.470 --> 01:39:16.710
And he said, you know what? When we get back
1889
01:39:16.750 --> 01:39:19.840
into the city... I'm going to buy a hotel. I'm
1890
01:39:19.859 --> 01:39:22.119
going to build a hotel here and we're going to
1891
01:39:22.539 --> 01:39:25.380
run a, like a health spa. And that's how it
1892
01:39:25.399 --> 01:39:28.189
started out. It was all done by, you know, that
1893
01:39:28.229 --> 01:39:31.189
kind of thing for the very rich. And of course
1894
01:39:31.270 --> 01:39:33.630
they brought their servants with them and the people that
1895
01:39:33.670 --> 01:39:35.970
worked for them. And that's when all the little bungalow
1896
01:39:36.010 --> 01:39:40.750
houses started around the beach. And that's how all of
1897
01:39:40.789 --> 01:39:43.550
this stuff grew up. And then somehow it got turned
1898
01:39:43.609 --> 01:39:48.850
into the, you know, like all touristy and, big places
1899
01:39:48.970 --> 01:39:53.270
like these big theme parks and big national parks, apparently
1900
01:39:53.289 --> 01:39:56.409
that don't want to tell you that, you know, you
1901
01:39:56.430 --> 01:39:59.180
should bring protection and there's actually stuff in there you
1902
01:39:59.220 --> 01:40:03.060
should worry about, you know, but at this point you're
1903
01:40:03.100 --> 01:40:05.739
going into the woods without telling somebody where you are
1904
01:40:05.800 --> 01:40:08.579
and you don't have any protection whatsoever. And you're not
1905
01:40:08.640 --> 01:40:11.140
aware of where you're going. You probably didn't go.
1906
01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:14.600
Also, also stories I've heard of, uh, like, uh, uh,
1907
01:40:15.810 --> 01:40:17.850
animal park or something up there where they let the
1908
01:40:17.930 --> 01:40:21.039
animals go isn't that in the pine barrens too where
1909
01:40:21.079 --> 01:40:24.880
they're supposedly the jungle land or something like that they
1910
01:40:24.920 --> 01:40:27.220
closed down and they just left all the animals so
1911
01:40:27.239 --> 01:40:31.939
there's maybe wild animals remnants up there running around eating people.
1912
01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:34.159
You know i recall hearing something similar to that but
1913
01:40:34.199 --> 01:40:36.189
i'd be lying if i said i knew the story
1914
01:40:37.350 --> 01:40:41.250
there's been so many stories around here there's just i
1915
01:40:41.350 --> 01:40:43.850
think what it is steve is there's like I said,
1916
01:40:43.890 --> 01:40:47.130
there's a creepy place that actually feels creepy. Not because
1917
01:40:47.149 --> 01:40:49.930
you've been told it's creepy or that something creepy has
1918
01:40:49.970 --> 01:40:52.810
gone on there. You just feel it. You know, these
1919
01:40:52.869 --> 01:40:56.220
places we walk into, we've all done it. And, you know,
1920
01:40:56.260 --> 01:40:57.920
you might be riding on the road and feel it.
1921
01:40:58.310 --> 01:41:00.600
You know, you feel it when you're going into Gettysburg,
1922
01:41:00.659 --> 01:41:02.939
you feel it when you're, you know, all that. So
1923
01:41:03.760 --> 01:41:07.119
I think there's places already feel like that. And then, People,
1924
01:41:07.420 --> 01:41:09.760
you know, of course, you and I've talked about this, too, about,
1925
01:41:09.819 --> 01:41:13.279
you know, parents make up stuff. Every culture's got them
1926
01:41:13.359 --> 01:41:17.829
all around the world. The boogeyman, the, you know, name
1927
01:41:17.850 --> 01:41:21.989
them off. You know, it could be anything. The Babadook
1928
01:41:22.050 --> 01:41:25.869
and all these other things. There's all the different, you know, Krampus.
1929
01:41:26.710 --> 01:41:30.850
And they make up stuff to keep kids in line.
1930
01:41:31.260 --> 01:41:34.800
You know, and I think some old adults, they're just mean, too.
1931
01:41:34.840 --> 01:41:36.569
They just... Yeah.
1932
01:41:36.960 --> 01:41:40.319
Like you have your old grandfather just, you know, you know, hey,
1933
01:41:40.359 --> 01:41:42.640
go take the garbage out. You know, don't let the,
1934
01:41:42.680 --> 01:41:44.939
you know, bloody bill get you. You know, you know
1935
01:41:44.960 --> 01:41:47.119
that grandpa. You know that grandpa.
1936
01:41:47.500 --> 01:41:49.399
Raw head, bloody bones is the one I would.
1937
01:41:49.439 --> 01:41:49.979
That's it.
1938
01:41:50.020 --> 01:41:50.979
That's it. Yeah.
1939
01:41:51.359 --> 01:41:52.279
Yeah. I forget.
1940
01:41:52.310 --> 01:41:53.869
Didn't we talk about that not long ago?
1941
01:41:53.909 --> 01:41:56.890
I think we did. And then my mom had one,
1942
01:41:56.930 --> 01:41:58.930
the green eyed woman. I don't know what that was,
1943
01:41:58.970 --> 01:42:00.289
but it scared the hell out of me when I
1944
01:42:00.329 --> 01:42:02.229
was a kid. Don't you go out there in the
1945
01:42:02.270 --> 01:42:04.729
garage and mess around because there's a green eyed woman
1946
01:42:04.770 --> 01:42:07.880
out there that'll get you. That's really not even anything frightening,
1947
01:42:07.899 --> 01:42:10.619
but as a child, that was terrifying.
1948
01:42:11.300 --> 01:42:14.939
Not a teenage boy, he'd run out there. He'd say,
1949
01:42:14.970 --> 01:42:18.119
we got a green-eyed shit, redhead. He'd be running. That
1950
01:42:18.229 --> 01:42:20.489
would only work until you got out of childhood, I think.
1951
01:42:20.729 --> 01:42:24.149
After a child, it's something different. That's funny. But it
1952
01:42:24.189 --> 01:42:26.810
scared me when you said it. Just the way you
1953
01:42:26.829 --> 01:42:28.770
said it kind of scared me, didn't it? Scare you
1954
01:42:28.789 --> 01:42:32.489
a little? I was like, what green-eyed woman? I don't
1955
01:42:32.510 --> 01:42:33.659
want nothing to do with her.
1956
01:42:34.720 --> 01:42:39.430
Yeah but yeah i didn't waste any time in the
1957
01:42:39.470 --> 01:42:42.729
garage either because you know there was chemicals and gasoline
1958
01:42:42.789 --> 01:42:44.829
and stuff out there that i wasn't supposed to be
1959
01:42:44.890 --> 01:42:48.390
messing with but that was just a good story to
1960
01:42:48.970 --> 01:42:50.750
i didn't ask her to elaborate i didn't want to
1961
01:42:50.789 --> 01:42:52.909
know that was enough there was a green-eyed woman out
1962
01:42:52.949 --> 01:42:55.970
there that that's it for me you'd.
1963
01:42:55.909 --> 01:42:59.779
Have the grudge I think that's funny. I'm just thinking
1964
01:42:59.819 --> 01:43:03.390
about the old, the mean grandfather, the grandpa stuff, you know,
1965
01:43:03.409 --> 01:43:05.909
that go out there, rattle the gas cans to make
1966
01:43:05.930 --> 01:43:09.229
you jump, just laugh, you know, that kind of guy,
1967
01:43:09.489 --> 01:43:11.909
you know, that's funny. I'm sorry, Lynn, go ahead.
1968
01:43:12.430 --> 01:43:14.890
No, no, no, it's okay. I was just thinking of
1969
01:43:15.149 --> 01:43:17.380
what you were saying, you know, about that again, you know,
1970
01:43:17.399 --> 01:43:19.979
the manipulation, the fear, but, you know, thinking about some
1971
01:43:20.020 --> 01:43:21.420
of these things, and I don't know a lot about
1972
01:43:21.439 --> 01:43:24.279
the area that you were talking about, but even in
1973
01:43:24.319 --> 01:43:26.239
general with some of the parks and things like that,
1974
01:43:26.279 --> 01:43:30.960
where people, I mean, some of these things like even Bigfoot,
1975
01:43:31.000 --> 01:43:34.680
they manipulate the dimensions and the veils and they use
1976
01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:39.460
portals sometimes where they exit from here and then turn
1977
01:43:39.500 --> 01:43:42.100
to somewhere else and they can grab people and take
1978
01:43:42.140 --> 01:43:44.779
them to the portals with them, you know, and could
1979
01:43:44.819 --> 01:43:47.020
be a reason why, you know, all of a sudden
1980
01:43:47.060 --> 01:43:48.970
they've searched this area and now all of a sudden
1981
01:43:48.979 --> 01:43:51.630
these bodies show up because they threw them back out
1982
01:43:51.670 --> 01:43:55.270
of the portals. Back into this dimension. Oh, I believe that.
1983
01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:58.159
I believe it. I believe it. I believe they take
1984
01:43:58.180 --> 01:44:00.340
them up. They take them through. They take them down.
1985
01:44:00.380 --> 01:44:04.319
They take them in, out, sideways. I mean, is it
1986
01:44:04.359 --> 01:44:10.340
not true, Steve? I mean, we've got accounts of people
1987
01:44:10.460 --> 01:44:14.420
being taken up. You can hear the wind as their
1988
01:44:14.520 --> 01:44:18.300
cell phone falls away and breaks or whatever. You know
1989
01:44:18.340 --> 01:44:19.439
which I'm talking about, Steve?
1990
01:44:19.470 --> 01:44:19.550
Yeah.
1991
01:44:20.399 --> 01:44:22.319
Where they say it was such a wind and you
1992
01:44:22.380 --> 01:44:25.100
could almost hear this like they were talking on the
1993
01:44:25.159 --> 01:44:28.899
phone or it recorded when it was doing, you know,
1994
01:44:28.920 --> 01:44:31.699
he's talking to a voicemail. So it recorded on their
1995
01:44:31.739 --> 01:44:36.619
side and they can hear it. It's just there's something
1996
01:44:36.699 --> 01:44:42.140
else that intrigues me, too, is this sound of the
1997
01:44:42.319 --> 01:44:48.130
metal trap closing. Yeah. You know what I mean, Steve?
1998
01:44:48.920 --> 01:44:53.319
Yeah, I've heard stories of that. I've heard more than once.
1999
01:44:53.399 --> 01:44:55.840
I had some missing time that went along with that
2000
01:44:55.880 --> 01:44:59.909
as a teenager, but there's something out there.
2001
01:45:00.069 --> 01:45:04.470
There was recently some people that were doing investigations out in,
2002
01:45:04.609 --> 01:45:09.010
I think it was Skinwalker Ranch area, and they were
2003
01:45:09.050 --> 01:45:13.029
taking a picture of something and somehow, or he was
2004
01:45:13.069 --> 01:45:15.270
taking a picture of a person or a selfie of
2005
01:45:15.329 --> 01:45:18.409
himself or something that And there was nothing around him,
2006
01:45:18.430 --> 01:45:20.510
but he could feel that there was something around him.
2007
01:45:20.630 --> 01:45:22.289
And then all of a sudden, when they went back
2008
01:45:22.329 --> 01:45:24.810
and they looked at the picture, this guy had on
2009
01:45:24.829 --> 01:45:28.149
these navigator type sunglasses with the mirrors on them. And
2010
01:45:28.189 --> 01:45:31.460
you could see the face of Bigfoot in the lens
2011
01:45:31.539 --> 01:45:36.720
of his glasses. But yet there was nothing there. But actually,
2012
01:45:36.760 --> 01:45:40.100
there was something there because they were manipulating the veils
2013
01:45:40.600 --> 01:45:42.399
through the portals. They were standing right there.
2014
01:45:43.109 --> 01:45:45.649
And, um, yeah, I saw that and I agree. I
2015
01:45:45.689 --> 01:45:49.010
saw it and I agree. And again, it's, it's almost
2016
01:45:49.050 --> 01:45:53.289
like you're thinking of, is this the formula? You know,
2017
01:45:53.750 --> 01:45:57.529
it's the reflection back and you know what I mean?
2018
01:45:57.590 --> 01:46:02.180
It's like almost three times and it's just different. Like
2019
01:46:02.199 --> 01:46:05.720
you're catching in between the dimensions there or something. It's,
2020
01:46:05.840 --> 01:46:09.479
it's very intriguing. Yeah. They're right there. In a lot
2021
01:46:09.500 --> 01:46:11.180
of cases, yes, I believe that.
2022
01:46:11.640 --> 01:46:13.859
Like you said, I mean, there's so much more to
2023
01:46:13.939 --> 01:46:16.739
it that we just don't know and we won't know
2024
01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:21.319
probably until we cross over or the things are finally
2025
01:46:21.399 --> 01:46:25.430
exposed or acknowledged and more people come together. And with
2026
01:46:25.449 --> 01:46:28.289
this dimensional shift that we're going through right now that's
2027
01:46:28.369 --> 01:46:31.949
elevating the energies to the fifth versus the third, a
2028
01:46:31.989 --> 01:46:35.090
lot of these portals and these ways that they travel
2029
01:46:35.130 --> 01:46:38.409
are going to start to be exposed. Yep. Yep.
2030
01:46:38.949 --> 01:46:41.369
And I hope the, Steve and I have always hoped
2031
01:46:41.470 --> 01:46:45.149
that they never catch him, never get caught, never. There's something,
2032
01:46:45.180 --> 01:46:49.319
there's a, there's something in place that's just not going
2033
01:46:49.340 --> 01:46:52.380
to allow it in some way or another, at least
2034
01:46:52.439 --> 01:46:55.520
not yet for whatever reason. And I hope not. And
2035
01:46:55.560 --> 01:46:58.020
I'm a hundred percent convinced and have most of my
2036
01:46:58.079 --> 01:47:03.989
life been convinced through more of the native American kind
2037
01:47:04.149 --> 01:47:07.569
of belief and not just like from one place, but,
2038
01:47:08.029 --> 01:47:10.590
You know, it started with my grandmother, little bits here
2039
01:47:10.630 --> 01:47:13.260
and there, but picking it up and then that intriguing
2040
01:47:13.270 --> 01:47:14.949
my interest. So, of course, I'm going to pick them
2041
01:47:15.020 --> 01:47:18.279
up in other places, too, about I absolutely believe there's
2042
01:47:18.340 --> 01:47:21.739
more than one kind when you're talking about. And I
2043
01:47:21.779 --> 01:47:25.859
think the difference between the two types, if not more,
2044
01:47:26.140 --> 01:47:28.979
at the very least, two types would be the difference
2045
01:47:29.079 --> 01:47:32.359
between a wolf and a German shepherd.
2046
01:47:33.180 --> 01:47:34.279
Oh, yeah, definitely.
2047
01:47:34.420 --> 01:47:40.050
Catch my drift. Yes, definitely. more domestic more more acclimated
2048
01:47:40.149 --> 01:47:42.909
more you know probably could if they wanted to go
2049
01:47:43.189 --> 01:47:46.289
you know whatever and i think the others are can
2050
01:47:46.470 --> 01:47:50.210
can be protectors and also predators you know yes so
2051
01:47:50.289 --> 01:47:53.229
again you've got split groups in those just like us
2052
01:47:54.270 --> 01:47:57.380
just like you know doesn't that make sense steve i
2053
01:47:57.399 --> 01:48:00.779
mean just like us why why why you know and
2054
01:48:00.819 --> 01:48:04.569
i think that causes all of the uh you know,
2055
01:48:04.630 --> 01:48:08.520
the tension in, you know, people trying to sort it too, because,
2056
01:48:09.399 --> 01:48:11.460
you know, if we can't just accept the fact that
2057
01:48:11.539 --> 01:48:14.430
we don't have all the answers and if we widen that,
2058
01:48:15.170 --> 01:48:19.890
that space, it's like when you move up to your, your, your, your,
2059
01:48:20.149 --> 01:48:22.829
your 40,000 foot view you can get a much better
2060
01:48:22.909 --> 01:48:25.350
view and then if you can do that around people
2061
01:48:25.380 --> 01:48:28.739
that can actually talk about stuff and not worry so
2062
01:48:28.800 --> 01:48:30.840
much about you know my my story is bigger than
2063
01:48:30.859 --> 01:48:34.359
your story or I know my ability is more okay
2064
01:48:34.380 --> 01:48:37.100
look it takes a village you know Do you want
2065
01:48:37.109 --> 01:48:39.020
to leave here with a little bit more answers and
2066
01:48:39.060 --> 01:48:41.100
maybe have a little easier on the other side or
2067
01:48:41.140 --> 01:48:43.420
get to the other side or maybe not getting here
2068
01:48:43.479 --> 01:48:46.199
stuck or maybe not, or maybe being able to help
2069
01:48:46.619 --> 01:48:49.220
a situation that you're in or some, a loved one
2070
01:48:49.279 --> 01:48:53.239
is in or whatever, just, just to expand your thinking,
2071
01:48:54.100 --> 01:48:56.829
you know, maybe not be so closed book about it.
2072
01:48:56.899 --> 01:48:59.640
You know, Steve and I've had guests and stuff where
2073
01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:03.720
we've just, you know, God bless them. But because you're
2074
01:49:03.739 --> 01:49:06.420
being polite and you've invited them to your house. So
2075
01:49:06.600 --> 01:49:10.939
you and they are absolutely free for any way they
2076
01:49:11.000 --> 01:49:13.359
want to think upside down on the other. But they're
2077
01:49:13.420 --> 01:49:15.810
on the other side and they're a whole hog on
2078
01:49:16.250 --> 01:49:20.489
something completely that you sorted 25 years ago. But you
2079
01:49:20.510 --> 01:49:22.930
have to let them do it, not only because it's
2080
01:49:22.970 --> 01:49:24.750
the right thing to do, because they have every right
2081
01:49:24.770 --> 01:49:27.430
to feel and say how they want to feel. But
2082
01:49:27.489 --> 01:49:31.029
they're not going to convince you. You know, like I said,
2083
01:49:31.109 --> 01:49:33.430
I started this whole thing with like, please don't tell
2084
01:49:33.470 --> 01:49:35.789
me ghosts are made of green jello because I know better.
2085
01:49:36.810 --> 01:49:40.680
You know, you're welcome to your green jello, chocolate pudding,
2086
01:49:40.720 --> 01:49:43.800
vanilla sprinkles. I don't care what you're doing over there,
2087
01:49:44.380 --> 01:49:47.500
you know, but if you're coming over here, you know,
2088
01:49:47.619 --> 01:49:50.680
everybody here is in a different part of consciousness and
2089
01:49:50.720 --> 01:49:53.680
we're all just trying to gather data, put it on
2090
01:49:53.760 --> 01:49:56.510
our shelves. And we can sort it as we need
2091
01:49:56.550 --> 01:49:57.210
be later on.
2092
01:49:57.229 --> 01:49:59.989
There's so many different things. Back in college, I took
2093
01:50:00.010 --> 01:50:04.170
a class in critical thinking. And the professor was like,
2094
01:50:04.890 --> 01:50:07.029
how can we prove that pigs don't fly? And somebody
2095
01:50:07.050 --> 01:50:08.630
was like, well, you take them up on a cliff
2096
01:50:09.350 --> 01:50:11.340
and you throw them off. And he said, you didn't
2097
01:50:11.399 --> 01:50:14.140
prove that they couldn't fly. You just proved that they
2098
01:50:14.159 --> 01:50:17.779
didn't fly. Maybe they can fly. They chose not to fly. So,
2099
01:50:17.899 --> 01:50:21.079
you know, with those kind of arguments, you can't prove
2100
01:50:21.319 --> 01:50:25.210
any of this stuff. Those... And even at the end,
2101
01:50:25.270 --> 01:50:27.649
it was like, well, all you prove was that particular
2102
01:50:27.729 --> 01:50:30.430
pig chose not to fly. You still hadn't, didn't prove
2103
01:50:30.470 --> 01:50:33.229
that he couldn't fly. So again, it's just, it's the
2104
01:50:33.270 --> 01:50:36.010
same with these ghosts. It's not a one size fits all.
2105
01:50:36.529 --> 01:50:38.890
And yes, your mileage will vary considerably.
2106
01:50:38.909 --> 01:50:43.729
Yeah, absolutely. And it's all, and I think it's even
2107
01:50:43.770 --> 01:50:48.750
deeper because why not? I think it's more complex than
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01:50:48.789 --> 01:50:52.689
we could ever know and more simplistic than we could
2109
01:50:52.729 --> 01:50:56.260
ever understand. And if we can find a happy medium
2110
01:50:56.319 --> 01:51:00.680
between there and just let it be, and just instead
2111
01:51:00.720 --> 01:51:04.119
of fighting against it, kind of, you know, wow, that
2112
01:51:04.159 --> 01:51:07.159
was cool. You know, maybe that butterfly was uncle Frank.
2113
01:51:07.279 --> 01:51:10.239
I'm going to say it was, why not whistle along,
2114
01:51:10.460 --> 01:51:12.960
you know, my merry way, who did I hurt? You know,
2115
01:51:13.720 --> 01:51:16.119
and maybe I thought of uncle Frank and, and he
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01:51:16.180 --> 01:51:20.100
smiled wherever he may be, you know, my, my thinking
2117
01:51:20.159 --> 01:51:22.779
is different than some other people's because I think that's possible.
2118
01:51:23.329 --> 01:51:25.029
And not only do I think it's possible, I think
2119
01:51:25.050 --> 01:51:26.949
it's probable, you know.
2120
01:51:27.750 --> 01:51:31.970
Yep. Totally, totally agree. I mean, I've made mention, too,
2121
01:51:32.050 --> 01:51:35.640
you know, with people making pact with their loved ones
2122
01:51:36.119 --> 01:51:39.300
even after they've passed because they can hear you. And,
2123
01:51:39.819 --> 01:51:43.399
you know, in showing up, my sister leaves feathers and
2124
01:51:43.479 --> 01:51:46.590
she shows up as dragonflies. So you're bringing up the dragonflies.
2125
01:51:46.689 --> 01:51:50.130
And sometimes she flies with my sister. She's one's blue eyed,
2126
01:51:50.210 --> 01:51:52.369
one's green eyed. And they always show up one green one,
2127
01:51:52.449 --> 01:51:55.869
one blue one. My mother leaves hair. So, you know,
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01:51:55.970 --> 01:51:57.069
all of that is possible.
2129
01:51:58.850 --> 01:52:01.729
It's as individual as they are. And as we are,
2130
01:52:01.829 --> 01:52:04.909
because I do believe that that energy that we were
2131
01:52:04.949 --> 01:52:10.340
talking about before about, think about that folks, you know,
2132
01:52:10.439 --> 01:52:15.119
I've got friends, dear, dear friends and acquaintances throughout my
2133
01:52:15.159 --> 01:52:18.140
life that were remote viewers. And I used to sit
2134
01:52:18.239 --> 01:52:23.079
in and something I want to say is, the natives
2135
01:52:23.180 --> 01:52:25.979
that I've had a chance to talk to about this
2136
01:52:26.180 --> 01:52:28.390
in my lifetime, I don't want to single out any
2137
01:52:28.510 --> 01:52:31.930
one tribe because at this point, everybody's kind of mixed anyway,
2138
01:52:31.970 --> 01:52:34.770
when it comes to thoughts. And, you know, there are
2139
01:52:34.850 --> 01:52:37.170
some that are only held by Navajo and some that
2140
01:52:37.210 --> 01:52:39.930
are only, you know, more traditional to this tribe or that,
2141
01:52:40.470 --> 01:52:45.199
but with these people, it was all, it's how, it's
2142
01:52:45.340 --> 01:52:49.399
not so much you're manifesting it yourself, right. Because there
2143
01:52:49.539 --> 01:52:51.510
are going to be things that are what they are,
2144
01:52:51.520 --> 01:52:56.470
no matter what you think or feel. But how your
2145
01:52:56.590 --> 01:52:59.949
journey is your choice. We all go about it a
2146
01:52:59.989 --> 01:53:02.649
little different because we all go about life a little different,
2147
01:53:03.069 --> 01:53:05.140
even though we all pretty much want the same thing.
2148
01:53:05.500 --> 01:53:07.960
And we all go about fighting through it, you know,
2149
01:53:08.060 --> 01:53:10.300
in a lot of ways for a lot of different reasons,
2150
01:53:10.539 --> 01:53:14.579
you know, culture and time and, you know, just so
2151
01:53:14.619 --> 01:53:17.770
much going on around you. What were you born into?
2152
01:53:18.289 --> 01:53:21.689
You just think about, have you ever thought about how
2153
01:53:22.149 --> 01:53:24.010
different your life could be if you were just born
2154
01:53:24.029 --> 01:53:27.430
in another zip code or in another country or another?
2155
01:53:27.529 --> 01:53:35.899
I mean, wow. Wow. I mean, I think about that. Yeah. Yeah.
2156
01:53:36.359 --> 01:53:38.500
And how quickly you can change it, too, by doing
2157
01:53:38.539 --> 01:53:41.100
just the opposite. Say you're in a bad situation or,
2158
01:53:41.199 --> 01:53:43.850
you know, people don't often think about that. where it
2159
01:53:43.869 --> 01:53:46.449
was always so easy for me because my mom moved
2160
01:53:46.489 --> 01:53:48.109
around a lot when I was a kid. So God
2161
01:53:48.130 --> 01:53:51.590
in my blood, you know, very nobody kind of gypsy
2162
01:53:51.609 --> 01:53:54.119
kind of, you know, it's like, no problem. Pick up,
2163
01:53:55.020 --> 01:53:57.760
go and bloom where you plant, you know, just the
2164
01:53:57.800 --> 01:54:00.579
way they used to do it, you know? And then
2165
01:54:00.659 --> 01:54:03.779
some people you talk to them, live here all my life.
2166
01:54:04.020 --> 01:54:05.739
I heard a guy express it the other day. I
2167
01:54:05.800 --> 01:54:07.779
love the way he said, he goes, lived here all
2168
01:54:07.800 --> 01:54:14.520
my life, boy and man. I loved it. But how
2169
01:54:14.649 --> 01:54:20.970
different the world looks. Not better, not worse, not just different.
2170
01:54:21.729 --> 01:54:23.989
And it's all about where you are and how you
2171
01:54:24.029 --> 01:54:25.109
perceive where you are.
2172
01:54:25.289 --> 01:54:28.479
It's all about the journey and how you adapt to
2173
01:54:28.520 --> 01:54:32.060
it and what you make of it. Well, with all
2174
01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:34.920
that said, we're almost out of time here, ladies. This
2175
01:54:34.960 --> 01:54:39.380
has been just an amazing amount of fun tonight. In closing,
2176
01:54:39.460 --> 01:54:42.680
let everybody know what you all individually have going on
2177
01:54:42.779 --> 01:54:44.720
and where people can find you. And I'll put it
2178
01:54:44.760 --> 01:54:45.420
in the show notes.
2179
01:54:46.050 --> 01:54:47.189
Go ahead, Lynn.
2180
01:54:47.630 --> 01:54:50.289
Well, you can find me with Cisco on Sundays. We're
2181
01:54:50.310 --> 01:54:54.210
doing a series right now. The last Sunday of every month.
2182
01:54:54.590 --> 01:54:56.090
I hope to be on with Steve again soon.
2183
01:54:56.130 --> 01:55:00.090
It's been so much fun. Tell them what it's called, Lynn. Oh.
2184
01:55:00.890 --> 01:55:04.439
We're doing a summer event. And it's called, come on
2185
01:55:04.460 --> 01:55:08.310
the show. It's Sunday nights, 8 p.m. Eastern time. And
2186
01:55:08.470 --> 01:55:10.470
Lynn and I are doing something all summer. We did,
2187
01:55:10.869 --> 01:55:12.189
we started, it's called Liberty.
2188
01:55:12.489 --> 01:55:13.750
Liberty. Yeah.
2189
01:55:13.789 --> 01:55:16.289
Revolution Rewind. And we're going all the way back to
2190
01:55:16.310 --> 01:55:20.060
the beginning. And we had a wonderful documentary from 1997
2191
01:55:20.060 --> 01:55:22.880
that we were watching. We're watching it live with our chat,
2192
01:55:22.920 --> 01:55:26.159
having a blast in the chat and just everybody throwing
2193
01:55:26.180 --> 01:55:28.680
their ideas and what they thought the stories were like,
2194
01:55:29.220 --> 01:55:31.960
was George Washington, the chair tree true or, you know,
2195
01:55:32.000 --> 01:55:34.619
was that legend and just all the little things too.
2196
01:55:34.680 --> 01:55:37.279
And about, you know, so many interesting things, so many
2197
01:55:37.680 --> 01:55:40.739
beautiful minds and wonderful words that, you know, really kind
2198
01:55:40.760 --> 01:55:44.439
of profound today and having a blast. And then we're
2199
01:55:44.479 --> 01:55:48.260
going through Sons of Liberty and we're going to talk
2200
01:55:48.319 --> 01:55:53.670
about the difference between reality and what actually happened in
2201
01:55:53.710 --> 01:55:56.729
that series and fun with it because it's just such
2202
01:55:56.770 --> 01:55:59.789
a fun, wonderful history series, even though a lot of
2203
01:55:59.829 --> 01:56:04.020
it didn't happen. And then we're going into what really
2204
01:56:04.060 --> 01:56:08.760
happened in turn with the Culper spy ring and all
2205
01:56:08.779 --> 01:56:14.859
of the fantastic spies that General Washington had and how
2206
01:56:14.899 --> 01:56:17.590
that had to do with our, the birth of this country.
2207
01:56:17.670 --> 01:56:19.010
So we're having a blast with that.
2208
01:56:19.550 --> 01:56:22.869
We are. And also Cisco's always, she's amazing. And she
2209
01:56:22.930 --> 01:56:26.930
always puts her, the twist on it with the little,
2210
01:56:27.090 --> 01:56:31.829
you know, some different, you know, tapings of different, scenarios
2211
01:56:31.890 --> 01:56:34.149
and things that have occurred that she adds in there
2212
01:56:34.210 --> 01:56:36.210
so that people can really get the point and they
2213
01:56:36.250 --> 01:56:39.510
can really, really understand it. So I'm having a blast
2214
01:56:39.550 --> 01:56:42.659
with this. I feel so fortunate that Cisco has invited me.
2215
01:56:42.689 --> 01:56:44.390
Oh, it's been so much fun. We're going to have fun.
2216
01:56:44.449 --> 01:56:46.649
It's been a nice thing to go through the summer.
2217
01:56:46.689 --> 01:56:49.500
It doesn't only remind us of history, but... We're also
2218
01:56:49.579 --> 01:56:52.380
doing it because we both believe in a lot of
2219
01:56:52.420 --> 01:56:55.060
this isn't getting taught in school. And, you know, when
2220
01:56:55.090 --> 01:56:57.510
you go back to the, you know, the PBS and
2221
01:56:57.729 --> 01:56:59.810
in the nineties, they were kind of still telling the
2222
01:56:59.850 --> 01:57:03.130
truth and we're mucking it up so much. And it's
2223
01:57:03.170 --> 01:57:05.409
good to sit down with the grandkids or some, maybe
2224
01:57:05.449 --> 01:57:09.100
watch it or, or maybe you, or, you know, you know,
2225
01:57:09.119 --> 01:57:12.239
you want to look at how the declaration of independence and,
2226
01:57:12.619 --> 01:57:14.720
you know, it does, it's not even called that, you know,
2227
01:57:15.180 --> 01:57:16.739
so go in there and look at that and see
2228
01:57:16.779 --> 01:57:19.899
what's different on that, that we've been. You know, we're
2229
01:57:20.020 --> 01:57:22.409
used to saying, but go back to that, you know,
2230
01:57:23.210 --> 01:57:25.390
that Ben Franklin and what happened there. What did he
2231
01:57:25.489 --> 01:57:29.449
actually do? You know, and how how cool George Washington
2232
01:57:29.489 --> 01:57:32.409
was and how he worked with what he had to
2233
01:57:32.470 --> 01:57:36.569
work with. He adapted and overcame. And it really had
2234
01:57:36.649 --> 01:57:38.729
nothing to do with military.
2235
01:57:38.750 --> 01:57:39.449
It had more with.
2236
01:57:39.369 --> 01:57:44.609
Endurance, belief and an idea that he just would not
2237
01:57:44.750 --> 01:57:48.420
allow to be killed. and he you know and it's
2238
01:57:48.500 --> 01:57:50.859
amazing to see what human beings can do and i
2239
01:57:50.930 --> 01:57:54.109
think it's very hopeful so that's what we're doing all
2240
01:57:54.149 --> 01:57:56.409
summer we're having a blast with it come and come
2241
01:57:56.449 --> 01:57:58.090
and do it with us a journey through the gate
2242
01:57:58.470 --> 01:58:01.710
on youtube sunday nights and mondays with steve that's what
2243
01:58:01.729 --> 01:58:02.510
i've been doing.
2244
01:58:04.130 --> 01:58:07.989
Links in the notes here well on behalf of cisco
2245
01:58:08.050 --> 01:58:10.659
and lynn and myself we'll see you a little further
2246
01:58:10.859 --> 01:58:14.390
on down the paranormal trail. Tell your animals we said hi.
2247
01:58:14.470 --> 01:58:15.289
Good night, everybody.
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01:58:15.609 --> 01:58:17.010
Good night. Good humans.
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01:58:28.439 --> 01:58:32.949
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