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Welcome to the note Paultine.
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Hello, and welcome to a phenomenally special between takes episode
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of Missing Frames. I'm your host, Sean Eastridge. Normally on
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Missing Frames, we watch all of the movies we should
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have seen by this point in our lives. But the
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between takes episodes, sometimes we've got to break some big news.
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Sometimes we've got to do some exciting stuff.
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And this one is a very, very exciting one because
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I have the glorious, amazing and talented Neva Howe back
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again and she's got some exciting news for the world
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that has just been announced at Superman celebration. But this
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is the first official interview, Niva, what would you like
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to tell the world.
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I know many people have been asking if Ma and
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Pau are coming back, and I just wanted to let
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you know that I am coming back as Ma kN.
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And I knew. I knew it was going to happen.
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I was like, there's no way.
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I remember talking to you about it last year after
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the first film came out and saying, I think you
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guys are coming back. There's no way.
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We love you too much.
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I wanted to announce it earlier, but actually it was
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James said that this would be the perfect place at
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Superman celebration to talk about it. So I said, okay,
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I can wait a little bit longer.
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How are you feeling. How did you feel when you
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got the official word, the news that you were coming back.
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Well, I have to be very careful what I say here.
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Of course I wasn't lighted that ma was coming back.
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People have all kinds of ideas about what James might
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do in this one, and all I have to say
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is whatever you were thinking, it's probably not.
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But I love that I love and James is that
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kind of filmmaker that he continues.
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To surprise and to do the unexpected. I think Man
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of Tomorrow is going to be incredible and I can't
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wait for the fans to see it.
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I mean I can't wait to see it. I'm beyond
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ecstatic for it. And of course what was so exciting
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for me is I went and saw a movie last
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week at Atlantic Station in Atlanta, and we walked outside
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after the movie was over and there was a big
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film shoot going on, and I was talking to my
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wife and I was like this, I feel like this
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could be Man of Tomorrow. And we talked to a
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few people and they were like, it's they're shooting Superman here.
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And that was exciting.
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And then immediately the next day, all these images started
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flooding the internet of Lex in his battlesuit, and.
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Doesn't he look fantastic? Everything just looks so good. But
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I noticed they have not shown a single picture of Brainiac.
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I thought, oh, yeah, I think they're keeping him under wraps,
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and I think they're not going to show him until
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maybe the trailer. I don't even know then, you know,
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but I'm very excited to see what he looks like
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and how it all looks. But I just I'm making
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a prediction that if you loved Superman twenty twenty five,
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you're gonna slip over Man of Tomorrow twenty twenty seven.
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Well, I you know, just speaking of James, and you know,
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I was a fan of Guardians at the Galaxy, the
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first one when it came out.
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But I felt, and I don't know if this is
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the consensus.
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But I felt each entry in that trilogy got better
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and better, and it felt like he was getting more
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and more comfortable in the story he was telling and
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the characters. And so I'm very, very excited. And now
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it's just like, the hard thing is we're gon have
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to wait a whole year until we can talk about it.
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I know it's driving me crazy. I want to talk
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about it so bad that we can't.
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Yes, I was going to say, I imagine last year
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or not last year, but shooting Superman a year in
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advance and then having to wait a year, you feel
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like you're sitting on like just this like almost like
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the nuclear codes in a way.
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And in every interview I'm like, oh, be careful, be
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very very careful.
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And you are, on top of that, you've been kind
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of waiting for Superman celebration to make this big announcement,
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so you've also had to be cautious about that.
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You know, the filming was going on.
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It was very difficult every time. Are you going to
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be back? Oh, well, you know you don't. You don't
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want to lie, but you have to kind of divert
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because you can't. You know, there's a protocol to all
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of that, and you can't really jump the gun on it.
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It's just not correct.
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I liked what you did there, jump the gun. I'm
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sure that was completely intentional.
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Jump the gun.
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These are also planted in your contract. You have to
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make little puns like that.
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Every so often you must make a gun pun. Yes,
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it's a necessity contract.
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Well, let's talk about you know, we can't talk about
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specifics obviously, about the story and specific characters, but let's
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talk about that the family, the gun family. I know
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you've talked with me and you've talked before about the
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family environment, working with James and the way he kind
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of nurtures this loving, supportive place where there are no jerks,
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there are no bad people. But just kind of returning
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to that and being a part of that family again,
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I imagine that was a real treat.
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It was really like coming home, you know. It had
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that same thing of coming home to people who appreciate
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you and value you, and who you appreciate and value
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and being able to share that common space where we're
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creating something very, very very special. And I feel incredibly
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blessed to have been able to come back and to
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be able to enrich the relationships that were already so rich,
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and everything about it was phenomenal, just phenomenal.
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It must feel so exciting because the first time around,
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I mean, you know, James Gunn is a wonderful filmmaker.
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You're seeing David and you're like, that guy is nailing it,
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and you're seeing Pruitz performance and you're getting to see
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all these elements, but you really don't know. Nobody really
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knows until that final film comes out and you see
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the reaction, you see see the finished story with all
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the effects and the music. You don't really know how
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it's going to play out, and you don't know how
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it's going to be received. So how did you feel
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a sense of maybe with the cast and crew coming back,
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just that excitement of we know now that fans are
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on board, they're excited for what James is doing. Does
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it feel like the burden has lifted a little bit
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or is it still like that pressure of like, all right,
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we've got to deliver one.
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I would say the pressure is still there because you
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want the fans to get what they came for, you know,
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you want to bring everything you can to each part
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of the story. But there was a very much more relaxed,
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I think, settled in to the character's feeling from everybody,
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including me. I just felt so anchored in Ma at
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this point that everything was I don't want to say effortless,
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because there was a lot of effort involved, but I
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think it will feel that way and look that way
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because we were all so committed and connected and aware
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of our characters now, of where we fit in the
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DC universe and how how everything is coming together. And
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Supergirl and the Lanterns, even everything that he's bringing out,
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you're beginning to feel this weaving happening, this magical weaving
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of a universe that I don't think we've seen before.
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people and myself included, you're thin like you might think like, yeah, well,
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you know, the Marvel Cinematic universe certainly provided a template
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for that. But I would even argue to your point,
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Marvel when that kicked off with iron Man, now now
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it's nearly twenty years ago, two thousand and eight, with
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Robert Downey Junior and Iron Man, there was kind of
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a game plan, but not something from the get go,
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not something so thought out. I think they kind of
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had a vague idea of Okay, we're going to get
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to a big movie like The Avengers, We're going to
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have these smaller movies. But I think in some ways,
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maybe Marvel walked so James and Peter and the DC
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team could run. Because James is first and foremost a storyteller.
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interviews he's been doing that Peter Saffren has been doing,
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is they are so focused on the quality of the storytelling,
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focusing on that first, and you know that going into
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that there, you know, if there's a film in this series,
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if there's a film in this universe, it's gonna be
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good because it's starting with the script. It's starting with
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the story and not necessarily from a place of oh,
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we've got to make three or four of these in
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order to to get to this much money, so we
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can do this or that.
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So I would even believe that James, you know, he
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unlike other directors who, like you said maybe chasing the money,
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I think he already had those four and he was
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already lining them up and had a true storyline through them,
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or he wouldn't have even said it to begin with.
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In other words, he wasn't starting with an idea. He
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had flushed out the idea in his mind, I believe
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all the way to the end, and now he was
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just letting.
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just the snippets of what I've seen of Men of
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Tomorrow that have come through set photos and other little
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story teases, you know you're in for a treat because
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you understand the kind of person James is, and I
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just love the ideas of We already know Superman and
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Lex are going to be in some capacity colliding in
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their in Lex's warsuit. We also know they're going to
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have to put aside their differences potentially and work together
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to face the greater threat that is Brainiac. I think
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James was smart with the reveal of Lex's warsuit because
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he knew they were going to be shooting exteriors and
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that the public was going to get all those photos.
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So he was like, let me just get out ahead
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of this and send an official quote unquote photo out
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before right people.
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Right, Well, I feel like you know, Superman, what was
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it the one of the top five films of twenty
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twenty five or top four? Yeah, what I predict is
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the Man of Tomorrow will surpass that.
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We'll have to wait and see. That's a big claim.
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It is us stand by it. We'll know in twenty
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twenty seven.
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July twenty twenty seven, will know so close yet at
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the least we have Supergirl in a couple of weeks,
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which will be such a joy, and you know, I
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can see the marketing ramping up for that, and it's
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just getting more and more exciting.
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We're seeing more and more from the film. We're seeing
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more and more interviews with Millie, and we're seeing Jason
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Momoa out and about.
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Oh, I love him. He's perfect for Lobo. And what
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I love about the way James Gunn works with his
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characters is they're so specifically different from one another. And Kara,
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you know, she's coming across very differently than Superman did.
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to let you feel that family connection even though they're
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so different in the way that they're living in the world.
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As far as I can tell from what I've seen
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in the trailer, you know, she's kind of a little
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bit of a mass, but yes, there's that underlying love.
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You know. I even saw that in a little part
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where he gets her out of the pod, you know,
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when yeah, the ship, when I could feel, you know,
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the family connection underneath it all.
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And the love he's He's immediately like I'm here to
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help you, which you know how it was just so wonderful.
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It's always I mean, seeing David in that role is
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for me as a lifelong Superman fan, it's just like,
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I don't know how else to describe it except like
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literally injecting my senses with joy, like just like yes,
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so happy, and the mannerisms and the friendliness and the
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awkwardness but also the don't worry, I'm going to help you,
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like I'm here to help and all of that is
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coming through. So I kind of I knew Superman would
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have some appearance in super Girl that had been teased,
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but it was so nice to see that little clip
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and see like, oh, there he is again, there's Superman,
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there's David, Like this is great. And then the contrast
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with Kara Millie's Kara even just being kind of like
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a little overwhelmed and then also asking the important questions
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like why is he wearing his underwear?
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saying well, you can't hurt me. I'm saying it here.
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Well, it's also like that Superman that's who's super This
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is not something that James Gunn invented for people to
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make fun of that it's like, well, yeah, that's this
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character has been that for almost one hundred years, almost
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a century now. So I uh, I don't have I
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don't take stock. I don't have time for that nonsense.
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I want. I am fully pro trunks. I want. I
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want underwear all over Superman's outfit.
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Yeah, I like the red trunks. I like it. I
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like the way it looks. I wouldn't want it to
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be different.
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Did you see the the costume tests when they were
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without the red trunks, just to see what it looked like.
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You can tell you're like, you need it, you really
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do need it.
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The suit without the trunks that look great, But for this,
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it just feels so right. And every time I see
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an image of him, I'm like, it's Superman. It's it's
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straight from the page. I don't like, there's no question
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in my mind. So when I see comments like that,
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I just doesn't even deserve credence or acknowledgment because I'm like, you, guys,
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that's Superman.
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I'm glad Mad doesn't have to wear any of that
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those suits are not easy to wear. I know at all.
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Well, you were you were telling me last year the
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scene where you filmed, you know, you bring Clark into
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his bedroom and he's laying on the bed. He's poisoned,
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he's kryptonite poisoning. But you were saying they had to
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cut the back.
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It didn't cut it, but they had to open it
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because right, you know, it was difficult, you know, to
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light there for a period of time with all that
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you are so tight.
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All that working out.
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It has to pay off because it's not just about
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looking good for the camera. You literally have to carry
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the weight of the outfits.
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I mean it looks like it would.
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Be Well that was so thrilling too, just to see
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that it's being done practically. We're living in a world
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where it would be so easy to do that as
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a special effect.
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That's one of James. I think he said before that
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he would rather have practical anytime that he he would
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prefer it.
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It generates great buzz for social media when you can
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actually snap a photo of Nicholas Holt walking around.
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Instead of like can you imagine if.
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He was wearing some sort of like little Onesie where it's.
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Like his head.
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It just makes a huge difference, and then it generates
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the buzz.
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See, James is a smart guy. He knows what he's doing.
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Oh, he's brilliant.
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Going back to just the inherent absurdity of the trunks,
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I think you have to be It demonstrates a real
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confidence to say like, well, yeah, we're doing the trunks
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like it's fine and it's okay that it's silly, Like
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he knows it's silly. He even says in the previous Superman,
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you know, like it's colorful. I know, but that's so
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people know we're good.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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So I think there's something inherently silly about these characters
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in general. A guy who dresses up like a bat
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and fights crime, like we've accepted it because they're so
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ingrained in our culture. But I think to do to
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be smart about an approach to storytelling with these characters,
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you have to kind of acknowledge the absurdity of it
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while still staying pure to the heart. And I think
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that's what James does so well, is finding that balance
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of humor and seriousness.
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To me, there's a I had one of my teachers.
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Do you know Steven's tabla.
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Name sounds familiar? Toe, I know it.
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Does to everybody. The things he's been in, five hundred things.
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He was in dead Wood and oh gosh, I just
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saw him the other night on something. But he's most
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known for the one with Bill Murray Groundhome Day. He's
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the guy in the big coat that has hugs him
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every single day.
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And oh, yes, yes, yes, okay.
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Stephen is a brilliant teacher. I did an improvably in
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one of Stephen's classes and afterward he said, that was good,
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but we were too worried about you. It was supposed
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to be funny. So when you're playing a comic character
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and there is that absurdity you want people to feel
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when you want him to feel, but overall they can't
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be too worried or they forget to laugh, you know,
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they forget to keep going in the journey. They bogged
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down and think, I can't go on because I'm to
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disturb by what I'm watching. So there's a very delicate
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balance there that I think James Gun handles as well
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as anybody on earth, and maybe better than anybody on earth.
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Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
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And at the flip side of that, in terms of
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walking that fine tightrope is if you try too hard
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to be funny and improv they're like you're dead. If
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you're trying to make the audience laugh purposely, nine times
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out of ten, you're gonna fail because it does have
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to feel organically character driven. And you do, like you said,
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you can't go too far in the Like you said,
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you don't want to be so worried about the character
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that you're not gonna laugh, but you don't want to.
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You can momentarily, you know, like you can have a
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and James is great at that. It's like, oh, no.
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You know you can't.
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Oh, but then a minute later it's.
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It's exactly exactly.
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And he takes that journey quickly enough that you don't
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get bogged. You have the moments of pain and fear
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and whatever he wants you to feel. But it's a
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comic book story, so he never forgets that. And I'm
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not speaking for James, that's just my observation of what
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he does.
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And he grew up with a love for these characters
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in his heart, so you know, again, it's all coming
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from a place of purity and not mockery. I think
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what happens is when you start to make fun of it,
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the audience catches on and is immediately like, no, we're
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not into it. We've seen that before. Some of you
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are thinking about some of the Batman films released in
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the nineties. I think the reason audiences responded negatively to
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them is they want to believe in these characters. Like
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I think, Yes, sometimes you can underestimate just how much
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it means to somebody to see Superman doing what he does, helping.
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People and to believe, you know, to be able to
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suspend your disbelief to go on that journey.
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With him, you know exactly.
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Yeah, it's that fine line, and he does it. James
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Gunn is brilliant at that.
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Now, remind me, you told me you have not seen
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Guardians of the Galaxy three, Correct, I haven't.
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No, I haven't. But if that's the one, we're rocky. Yeah.
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I don't know if I can. Yeah, But there's the
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same thing. You never got so bogged down that you
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couldn't bounce back to the comedy, Am I right?
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Yes?
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You know you were able to continue the journey even
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though I was tearing your heart out that Rocky was
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being heard.
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Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I'm thinking too, that and
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that's kind of you know, speaking to the level of
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excitement for Man of Tomorrow and where the story might go.
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I think Guardians three was an incredible example of how
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emotional and dark James is willing to go without losing
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the heart of it exactly.
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But for me personal as.
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A as a lover of great storytelling, I think the
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third one's probably my favorite. And I think a lot
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of it is because he was willing to take the
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characters to those places, and I think.
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There is a hint of it. You can see it
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in some of the set photos of David, like just.
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You know, we don't know what's happened to him, but
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you can tell that it deeply impacted him.
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Comparing what I've seen of James and what I know
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he's capable of as an emotional storyteller, I could not
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be more excited for what he's going to bring a
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ma in of Tomorrow. I also could not be more
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excited to see you and pru It on screen again
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and just be again like, I don't think this is
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spoilers to say, but what was it like being back
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on set with Pruet, specifically getting to see him again.
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Like visiting with your best friend. You know, I adore
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him and we just we just click. I couldn't be
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more grateful that it was him that was cast. You know,
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it could have been someone else and it just wouldn't
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have been the same. I don't feel like I would
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have had as close a relationship as I've had with
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his paw. His paw was instantly available to me. In
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other words, as Ma, I could easily look back and
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think about our relationship, how long we've been married, and
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how we finished each other sentences sometimes and how we
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get annoyed at each other, and everything was kind of there,
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you know, mirrored in him. So it was just like
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a comfortable putting on a comfortable road and sitting down
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with a nice cup of coffee and talking to a
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friend you hadn't seen in a long time. So it
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was wonderful.
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I love that YouTube just get to be like again,
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the intimacy and super and twenty twenty five just obviously,
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so many of the best moments in that film where
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you and pru it together and the final scene of course,
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has been talked about, and I love that that center,
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that emotional center that the Kents provide, and like, just
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character wise, they're kind of just like they're here in
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the midst of this insane world and all the crazy
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things going on, but they're kind of the rock that
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Clark can come back to when he needs it.
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And I love that you two get to be kind.
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Of like it's kind of similar for your journeys as
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actors and performers in the midst of like, oh, there's
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David in his Superman suit, there's a giant Mister Terrific
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spaceship parked on the lawn, and there's Crypto running around,
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even though I know, look, I know Crypto's not real,
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but just let me believe for a little bit that
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he is.
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That he's running around.
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He's just about real to me. And Murphy, the woman
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that animates him, she's Crypto to me.
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Now.
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I just want to hug her because she may Crypto
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come alive.
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I know she's so sweet, but I love I love that.
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I love that you and prove it kind of in
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the same way, Ma and Power are just like, you know,
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right in the middle of this crazy world. You two
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kind of get that that relationship and that friendship and
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you get to reflect on those special, wonderful human moments
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that really shape this character of Superman.
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And also Pru has a wonderful sense of humor. He
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makes me laugh all the time.
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And that's going to be nice when you're waiting around
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on set for the next shot to get ready, so
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we're sitting.
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In the makeup chair for hours. You know. He he's funny.
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He's just a funny, funny guy.
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And any final words you want to leave for the
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fans who are excited to see you in Pau returning
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Man of Tomorrow.
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Well, i want to thank you for your support and
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for asking about it and caring about it. And I'm
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thrilled to be coming back as MA and I feel
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like you will be You won't be disappointed, you will
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be amazed at Man of Tomorrow.
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I'm so excited.
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NVA, thank you so much for hanging out.
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I always love seeing you.
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Well, You're welcome.
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Welcome to the note Paultine.
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Hello, and welcome to a phenomenally special between takes episode
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of Missing Frames. I'm your host, Sean Eastridge. Normally on
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Missing Frames, we watch all of the movies we should
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have seen by this point in our lives. But the
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between takes episodes, sometimes we've got to break some big news.
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Sometimes we've got to do some exciting stuff.
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And this one is a very, very exciting one because
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I have the glorious, amazing and talented Neva Howe back
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again and she's got some exciting news for the world
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that has just been announced at Superman celebration. But this
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is the first official interview, Niva, what would you like
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to tell the world.
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I know many people have been asking if Ma and
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I was like, there's no way.
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the first film came out and saying, I think you
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guys are coming back. There's no way.
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I wanted to announce it earlier, but actually it was
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James said that this would be the perfect place at
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Superman celebration to talk about it. So I said, okay,
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I can wait a little bit longer.
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How are you feeling. How did you feel when you
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got the official word, the news that you were coming back.
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do in this one, and all I have to say
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is whatever you were thinking, it's probably not.
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kind of filmmaker that he continues.
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To surprise and to do the unexpected. I think Man
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of Tomorrow is going to be incredible and I can't
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wait for the fans to see it.
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I mean I can't wait to see it. I'm beyond
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ecstatic for it. And of course what was so exciting
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for me is I went and saw a movie last
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week at Atlantic Station in Atlanta, and we walked outside
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after the movie was over and there was a big
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film shoot going on, and I was talking to my
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wife and I was like this, I feel like this
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could be Man of Tomorrow. And we talked to a
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few people and they were like, it's they're shooting Superman here.
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flooding the internet of Lex in his battlesuit, and.
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Doesn't he look fantastic? Everything just looks so good. But
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and I think they're not going to show him until
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maybe the trailer. I don't even know then, you know,
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but I'm very excited to see what he looks like
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and how it all looks. But I just I'm making
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a prediction that if you loved Superman twenty twenty five,
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you're gonna slip over Man of Tomorrow twenty twenty seven.
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I was a fan of Guardians at the Galaxy, the
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first one when it came out.
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the consensus.
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and better, and it felt like he was getting more
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and more comfortable in the story he was telling and
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the characters. And so I'm very, very excited. And now
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it's just like, the hard thing is we're gon have
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to wait a whole year until we can talk about it.
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I know it's driving me crazy. I want to talk
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about it so bad that we can't.
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or not last year, but shooting Superman a year in
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advance and then having to wait a year, you feel
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like you're sitting on like just this like almost like
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the nuclear codes in a way.
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very very careful.
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of waiting for Superman celebration to make this big announcement,
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so you've also had to be cautious about that.
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It was very difficult every time. Are you going to
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be back? Oh, well, you know you don't. You don't
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want to lie, but you have to kind of divert
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because you can't. You know, there's a protocol to all
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of that, and you can't really jump the gun on it.
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I liked what you did there, jump the gun. I'm
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sure that was completely intentional.
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Jump the gun.
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These are also planted in your contract. You have to
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make little puns like that.
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it's a necessity contract.
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specifics obviously, about the story and specific characters, but let's
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talk about that the family, the gun family. I know
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you've talked with me and you've talked before about the
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family environment, working with James and the way he kind
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of nurtures this loving, supportive place where there are no jerks,
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there are no bad people. But just kind of returning
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to that and being a part of that family again,
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that same thing of coming home to people who appreciate
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you and value you, and who you appreciate and value
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and being able to share that common space where we're
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creating something very, very very special. And I feel incredibly
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blessed to have been able to come back and to
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be able to enrich the relationships that were already so rich,
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and everything about it was phenomenal, just phenomenal.
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It must feel so exciting because the first time around,
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and you're seeing Pruitz performance and you're getting to see
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all these elements, but you really don't know. Nobody really
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knows until that final film comes out and you see
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the reaction, you see see the finished story with all
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the effects and the music. You don't really know how
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it's going to play out, and you don't know how
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it's going to be received. So how did you feel
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a sense of maybe with the cast and crew coming back,
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just that excitement of we know now that fans are
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on board, they're excited for what James is doing. Does
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it feel like the burden has lifted a little bit
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or is it still like that pressure of like, all right,
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we've got to deliver one.
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want the fans to get what they came for, you know,
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you want to bring everything you can to each part
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of the story. But there was a very much more relaxed,
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I think, settled in to the character's feeling from everybody,
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including me. I just felt so anchored in Ma at
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this point that everything was I don't want to say effortless,
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because there was a lot of effort involved, but I
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think it will feel that way and look that way
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because we were all so committed and connected and aware
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of our characters now, of where we fit in the
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DC universe and how how everything is coming together. And
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Supergirl and the Lanterns, even everything that he's bringing out,
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you're beginning to feel this weaving happening, this magical weaving
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of a universe that I don't think we've seen before.
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people and myself included, you're thin like you might think like, yeah, well,
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you know, the Marvel Cinematic universe certainly provided a template
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for that. But I would even argue to your point,
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Robert Downey Junior and Iron Man, there was kind of
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a game plan, but not something from the get go,
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not something so thought out. I think they kind of
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had a vague idea of Okay, we're going to get
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to a big movie like The Avengers, We're going to
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have these smaller movies. But I think in some ways,
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maybe Marvel walked so James and Peter and the DC
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team could run. Because James is first and foremost a storyteller.
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interviews he's been doing that Peter Saffren has been doing,
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is they are so focused on the quality of the storytelling,
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focusing on that first, and you know that going into
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that there, you know, if there's a film in this series,
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if there's a film in this universe, it's gonna be
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good because it's starting with the script. It's starting with
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the story and not necessarily from a place of oh,
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order to to get to this much money, so we
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can do this or that.
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unlike other directors who, like you said maybe chasing the money,
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already lining them up and had a true storyline through them,
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or he wouldn't have even said it to begin with.
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had flushed out the idea in his mind, I believe
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all the way to the end, and now he was
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just the snippets of what I've seen of Men of
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story teases, you know you're in for a treat because
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you understand the kind of person James is, and I
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just love the ideas of We already know Superman and
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Lex are going to be in some capacity colliding in
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their in Lex's warsuit. We also know they're going to
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have to put aside their differences potentially and work together
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to face the greater threat that is Brainiac. I think
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he knew they were going to be shooting exteriors and
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that the public was going to get all those photos.
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of this and send an official quote unquote photo out
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before right people.
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it the one of the top five films of twenty
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twenty five or top four? Yeah, what I predict is
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the Man of Tomorrow will surpass that.
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twenty seven.
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July twenty twenty seven, will know so close yet at
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the least we have Supergirl in a couple of weeks,
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which will be such a joy, and you know, I
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can see the marketing ramping up for that, and it's
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just getting more and more exciting.
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more and more interviews with Millie, and we're seeing Jason
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characters is they're so specifically different from one another. And Kara,
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you know, she's coming across very differently than Superman did.
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to let you feel that family connection even though they're
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bit of a mass, but yes, there's that underlying love.
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when yeah, the ship, when I could feel, you know,
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the family connection underneath it all.
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help you, which you know how it was just so wonderful.
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literally injecting my senses with joy, like just like yes,
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so happy, and the mannerisms and the friendliness and the
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awkwardness but also the don't worry, I'm going to help you,
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like I'm here to help and all of that is
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coming through. So I kind of I knew Superman would
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have some appearance in super Girl that had been teased,
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there's David, Like this is great. And then the contrast
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like why is he wearing his underwear?
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saying well, you can't hurt me. I'm saying it here.
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is not something that James Gunn invented for people to
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make fun of that it's like, well, yeah, that's this
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character has been that for almost one hundred years, almost
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a century now. So I uh, I don't have I
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don't take stock. I don't have time for that nonsense.
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I want. I am fully pro trunks. I want. I
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want underwear all over Superman's outfit.
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like the way it looks. I wouldn't want it to
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without the red trunks, just to see what it looked like.
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do need it.
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The suit without the trunks that look great, But for this,
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it just feels so right. And every time I see
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an image of him, I'm like, it's Superman. It's it's
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straight from the page. I don't like, there's no question
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in my mind. So when I see comments like that,
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I just doesn't even deserve credence or acknowledgment because I'm like, you, guys,
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that's Superman.
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I'm glad Mad doesn't have to wear any of that
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those suits are not easy to wear. I know at all.
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Well, you were you were telling me last year the
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scene where you filmed, you know, you bring Clark into
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his bedroom and he's laying on the bed. He's poisoned,
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he's kryptonite poisoning. But you were saying they had to
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cut the back.
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It didn't cut it, but they had to open it
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because right, you know, it was difficult, you know, to
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light there for a period of time with all that
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you are so tight.
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All that working out.
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It has to pay off because it's not just about
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looking good for the camera. You literally have to carry
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the weight of the outfits.
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I mean it looks like it would.
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Be Well that was so thrilling too, just to see
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that it's being done practically. We're living in a world
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where it would be so easy to do that as
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a special effect.
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That's one of James. I think he said before that
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he would rather have practical anytime that he he would
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prefer it.
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It generates great buzz for social media when you can
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actually snap a photo of Nicholas Holt walking around.
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Instead of like can you imagine if.
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He was wearing some sort of like little Onesie where it's.
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Like his head.
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It just makes a huge difference, and then it generates
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the buzz.
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See, James is a smart guy. He knows what he's doing.
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Oh, he's brilliant.
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Going back to just the inherent absurdity of the trunks,
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I think you have to be It demonstrates a real
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confidence to say like, well, yeah, we're doing the trunks
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like it's fine and it's okay that it's silly, Like
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he knows it's silly. He even says in the previous Superman,
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you know, like it's colorful. I know, but that's so
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people know we're good.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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So I think there's something inherently silly about these characters
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in general. A guy who dresses up like a bat
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and fights crime, like we've accepted it because they're so
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ingrained in our culture. But I think to do to
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be smart about an approach to storytelling with these characters,
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you have to kind of acknowledge the absurdity of it
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while still staying pure to the heart. And I think
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that's what James does so well, is finding that balance
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of humor and seriousness.
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To me, there's a I had one of my teachers.
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Do you know Steven's tabla.
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Name sounds familiar? Toe, I know it.
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Does to everybody. The things he's been in, five hundred things.
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He was in dead Wood and oh gosh, I just
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saw him the other night on something. But he's most
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known for the one with Bill Murray Groundhome Day. He's
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the guy in the big coat that has hugs him
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every single day.
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And oh, yes, yes, yes, okay.
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Stephen is a brilliant teacher. I did an improvably in
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one of Stephen's classes and afterward he said, that was good,
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but we were too worried about you. It was supposed
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to be funny. So when you're playing a comic character
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and there is that absurdity you want people to feel
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when you want him to feel, but overall they can't
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be too worried or they forget to laugh, you know,
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they forget to keep going in the journey. They bogged
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down and think, I can't go on because I'm to
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disturb by what I'm watching. So there's a very delicate
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balance there that I think James Gun handles as well
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as anybody on earth, and maybe better than anybody on earth.
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Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
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And at the flip side of that, in terms of
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walking that fine tightrope is if you try too hard
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to be funny and improv they're like you're dead. If
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you're trying to make the audience laugh purposely, nine times
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out of ten, you're gonna fail because it does have
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to feel organically character driven. And you do, like you said,
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you can't go too far in the Like you said,
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you don't want to be so worried about the character
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that you're not gonna laugh, but you don't want to.
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You can momentarily, you know, like you can have a
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and James is great at that. It's like, oh, no.
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You know you can't.
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Oh, but then a minute later it's.
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It's exactly exactly.
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And he takes that journey quickly enough that you don't
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get bogged. You have the moments of pain and fear
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and whatever he wants you to feel. But it's a
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comic book story, so he never forgets that. And I'm
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not speaking for James, that's just my observation of what
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he does.
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And he grew up with a love for these characters
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in his heart, so you know, again, it's all coming
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from a place of purity and not mockery. I think
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what happens is when you start to make fun of it,
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the audience catches on and is immediately like, no, we're
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not into it. We've seen that before. Some of you
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are thinking about some of the Batman films released in
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the nineties. I think the reason audiences responded negatively to
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them is they want to believe in these characters. Like
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I think, Yes, sometimes you can underestimate just how much
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it means to somebody to see Superman doing what he does, helping.
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People and to believe, you know, to be able to
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suspend your disbelief to go on that journey.
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With him, you know exactly.
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Yeah, it's that fine line, and he does it. James
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Gunn is brilliant at that.
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Now, remind me, you told me you have not seen
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Guardians of the Galaxy three, Correct, I haven't.
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No, I haven't. But if that's the one, we're rocky. Yeah.
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I don't know if I can. Yeah, But there's the
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same thing. You never got so bogged down that you
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couldn't bounce back to the comedy, Am I right?
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Yes?
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You know you were able to continue the journey even
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though I was tearing your heart out that Rocky was
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being heard.
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Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I'm thinking too, that and
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that's kind of you know, speaking to the level of
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excitement for Man of Tomorrow and where the story might go.
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I think Guardians three was an incredible example of how
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emotional and dark James is willing to go without losing
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the heart of it exactly.
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But for me personal as.
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A as a lover of great storytelling, I think the
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third one's probably my favorite. And I think a lot
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of it is because he was willing to take the
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characters to those places, and I think.
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There is a hint of it. You can see it
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in some of the set photos of David, like just.
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You know, we don't know what's happened to him, but
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you can tell that it deeply impacted him.
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Comparing what I've seen of James and what I know
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he's capable of as an emotional storyteller, I could not
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be more excited for what he's going to bring a
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ma in of Tomorrow. I also could not be more
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excited to see you and pru It on screen again
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and just be again like, I don't think this is
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spoilers to say, but what was it like being back
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on set with Pruet, specifically getting to see him again.
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Like visiting with your best friend. You know, I adore
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him and we just we just click. I couldn't be
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more grateful that it was him that was cast. You know,
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it could have been someone else and it just wouldn't
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have been the same. I don't feel like I would
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have had as close a relationship as I've had with
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his paw. His paw was instantly available to me. In
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other words, as Ma, I could easily look back and
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think about our relationship, how long we've been married, and
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how we finished each other sentences sometimes and how we
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get annoyed at each other, and everything was kind of there,
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you know, mirrored in him. So it was just like
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a comfortable putting on a comfortable road and sitting down
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with a nice cup of coffee and talking to a
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friend you hadn't seen in a long time. So it
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was wonderful.
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I love that YouTube just get to be like again,
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the intimacy and super and twenty twenty five just obviously,
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so many of the best moments in that film where
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you and pru it together and the final scene of course,
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has been talked about, and I love that that center,
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that emotional center that the Kents provide, and like, just
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character wise, they're kind of just like they're here in
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the midst of this insane world and all the crazy
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things going on, but they're kind of the rock that
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Clark can come back to when he needs it.
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And I love that you two get to be kind.
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Of like it's kind of similar for your journeys as
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actors and performers in the midst of like, oh, there's
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David in his Superman suit, there's a giant Mister Terrific
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spaceship parked on the lawn, and there's Crypto running around,
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even though I know, look, I know Crypto's not real,
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but just let me believe for a little bit that
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he is.
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That he's running around.
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He's just about real to me. And Murphy, the woman
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that animates him, she's Crypto to me.
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Now.
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I just want to hug her because she may Crypto
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come alive.
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I know she's so sweet, but I love I love that.
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I love that you and prove it kind of in
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the same way, Ma and Power are just like, you know,
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right in the middle of this crazy world. You two
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kind of get that that relationship and that friendship and
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you get to reflect on those special, wonderful human moments
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that really shape this character of Superman.
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And also Pru has a wonderful sense of humor. He
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makes me laugh all the time.
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And that's going to be nice when you're waiting around
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on set for the next shot to get ready, so
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we're sitting.
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In the makeup chair for hours. You know. He he's funny.
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He's just a funny, funny guy.
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And any final words you want to leave for the
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fans who are excited to see you in Pau returning
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Man of Tomorrow.
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Well, i want to thank you for your support and
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for asking about it and caring about it. And I'm
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thrilled to be coming back as MA and I feel
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like you will be You won't be disappointed, you will
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be amazed at Man of Tomorrow.
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I'm so excited.
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NVA, thank you so much for hanging out.
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I always love seeing you.
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Well, You're welcome.
